Raising a Dog & Mastering Calm Assertive Energy | Cesar Millan
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I'm not saying not to give affection.
我并不是说不要给予感情。
I'm just saying give affection to patience and calmness and open mind, right?
我只是说要给予耐心、冷静和开放的心态,对吗?
Because when your dog misbehaves, you want him to go back there, go back to your good state of mind.
因为当你的狗行为不端时,你希望它回到那里,回到你良好的心态。
Right?
正确的?
You don't want the dog to do fight, flight, avoidance.
你不希望狗打架、逃跑、躲避。
Those are the bad state of mind.
这些都是不好的心态。
The good state of mind is patience, calm, surrender, or happy-go-lucky.
良好的心态是耐心、冷静、臣服或无忧无虑。
Those are good state of mind.
这些都是良好的心态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.
欢迎来到休伯曼实验室播客,我们在这里讨论科学和基于科学的日常生活工具。
I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
我是安德鲁·胡伯曼,斯坦福大学医学院神经生物学和眼科教授。
My guest today is Cesar Millan, better known as The Dog Whisperer and the preeminent dog trainer in the world.
今天我的嘉宾是塞萨尔·米兰 (Cesar Millan),他以“狗语者”而闻名,也是世界上杰出的训狗师。
Today's episode is truly for everyone, not just dog owners.
今天的节目确实适合所有人,而不仅仅是狗主人。
You're going to learn a lot about human psychology and behavior, and it will help you better interact with other humans in every type of relationship.
您将学到很多有关人类心理学和行为的知识,这将帮助您在各种关系中更好地与其他人互动。
For instance, you will learn a simple tool that allows you to move through the world with a clear, calm state of mind that will allow you to interact with others more effectively, to listen and act with more clarity and intention.
例如,您将学习一个简单的工具,它可以让您以清晰、平静的心态在世界上行走,让您能够更有效地与他人互动,更清晰、更有意图地倾听和行动。
And not incidentally, that clear, calm state of mind is also what dogs respond to best and what makes them feel safe and healthy.
并非偶然,这种清晰、平静的心态也是狗的最佳反应,也让它们感到安全和健康。
Today, we talk about the critical importance about understanding dog biology and psychology, and the fact that they are pack animals, and that we have to remove our human sense about these animals as our pets.
今天,我们讨论了解狗的生物学和心理学的至关重要性,以及它们是群居动物的事实,我们必须消除人类对这些动物作为宠物的感觉。
And of course, they are our pets, and they're extremely cute.
当然,它们是我们的宠物,而且非常可爱。
They are family members.
他们是家庭成员。
But understand the hardwired aspects of their brain and biology that allow us to be the best leaders for them.
但要了解他们的大脑和生物学的本质,使我们能够成为他们最好的领导者。
I have to warn you, a lot of what you hear today may sound counterintuitive at first.
我必须警告你,你今天听到的很多内容一开始听起来可能违反直觉。
Until you understand the biology of dogs and the fact that they respond to people's energy and actions, not words.
直到您了解狗的生物学以及它们对人的能量和行为而不是言语做出反应的事实。
I know they can listen to commands.
我知道他们可以听命令。
They can learn words and commands, but they're responding to the energy and the actions associated with those commands.
他们可以学习单词和命令,但他们会对与这些命令相关的能量和动作做出反应。
Only then can you be the most effective dog owner, and by effective, I mean making your dog as healthy and feeling safe as possible.
只有这样你才能成为最有效的狗主人,而有效,我的意思是让你的狗尽可能健康和感到安全。
I should point out that one of the reasons I'm so excited Cesar came on this podcast is that I had an amazingly positive experience with his methods years ago when I got my first puppy, Costello, who was a bulldog mastiff.
我应该指出,我对塞萨尔出现在这个播客上感到如此兴奋的原因之一是,几年前当我养了我的第一只小狗科斯特洛(Costello)时,我对他的方法有了非常积极的体验,它是一只斗牛犬獒犬。
I read his book, "Be the Pack Leader," and the principles within that book were critical for developing an incredible relationship with Costello, who lived 11 years.
我读了他的书《成为群体领袖》,书中的原则对于与活了 11 岁的科斯特洛建立令人难以置信的关系至关重要。
You could bring him into any environment.
你可以带他进入任何环境。
I would bring him to class.
我会带他去上课。
I would bring him into different people's homes.
我会带他去不同的人家里。
I could take him essentially anywhere.
我基本上可以带他去任何地方。
He loved kids, he loved people, and he was extremely well-behaved.
他爱孩子,爱人,而且表现得非常好。
Exceedingly lazy, too, but exceedingly well-behaved, and I credit that to the methods that I learned from Cesar's book.
也非常懒惰,但非常乖,我把这归功于我从塞萨尔的书中学到的方法。
So if you have a dog or you're considering getting a dog, or you want to better understand how to regulate your energy and behavior in all types of interactions with dogs, with cats, and with other humans, today's episode will teach you those extremely valuable tools.
因此,如果您养狗或正在考虑养狗,或者您想更好地了解如何在与狗、猫和其他人类的各种互动中调节自己的能量和行为,今天的节目将教您这些极其有价值的工具。
And I'm extremely pleased to announce the newest member of the Huberman Lab podcast team, Strummer.
我非常高兴地宣布胡伯曼实验室播客团队的最新成员 Strummer。
He's also a bulldog mastiff mutt.
他也是一只斗牛犬獒犬。
He's similar to Costello in breed, but I should say not a pure English bulldog, so not a lot of snoring and the other stuff that go along with English bulldogs.
他在品种上与科斯特洛相似,但我应该说不是纯种英国斗牛犬,所以没有太多打鼾和其他与英国斗牛犬相关的东西。
I love the English bulldog breed, but when they're mutted with other breeds like this one, they breathe a lot easier, and he's just the sweetest thing.
我喜欢英国斗牛犬品种,但是当它们与像这个这样的其他品种杂交时,它们呼吸容易多了,而且他是最可爱的东西。
So you'll be seeing and perhaps hearing more from Strummer.
所以你会看到或者听到更多来自 Strummer 的信息。
I am applying all of Cesar's methods to training Strummer.
我正在应用塞萨尔的所有方法来训练斯特鲁默。
You can see he's a very calm, relaxed dog.
你可以看到他是一只非常平静、放松的狗。
He gets two walks a day and a bunch of other things you'll learn about during today's episode that will benefit you if you have or you're thinking about getting a dog.
他每天散步两次,并且您将在今天的节目中了解到一些其他事情,如果您已经或正在考虑养狗,这些事情将对您有益。
Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
在开始之前,我想强调一下,这个播客与我在斯坦福大学的教学和研究角色是分开的。
It is, however, part of my desire and effort to bring zero cost to consumer information about science and science-related tools to the general public.
然而,我的愿望和努力的一部分是向公众提供有关科学和科学相关工具的零成本消费者信息。
In keeping with that theme, today's episode does include sponsors.
为了与这个主题保持一致,今天的节目确实有赞助商。
And now for my discussion with Cesar Millan.
现在我与塞萨尔·米兰进行讨论。
Cesar Millan.
塞萨尔·米兰.
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes, sir.
是的,先生。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Welcome.
欢迎。
I'm a huge fan.
我是它的超级粉丝。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Your book-
你的书——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Same here.
这里也一样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Thank you.
谢谢你。
I'm honored to hear that.
我很荣幸听到这个消息。
But I will say, your book, "Be the Pack Leader"-
但我会说,你的书《成为群体领袖》——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
I read the hard copy-
我读了纸质版——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Thank you
谢谢你
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
to raise my first puppy.
养我的第一只小狗。
We never had a dog in my home growing up.
我们从小到大家里从来没有养过狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
To raise Costello.
抚养科斯特洛。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Bulldog mix, stubborn dog.
斗牛犬混种,顽固的狗。
We went 11 years together, he and I, and that book and your other teachings were tremendously impactful for my relationship with him.
我和他一起度过了 11 年,那本书和你的其他教导对我和他的关系产生了巨大的影响。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But also in my work life, in my entire life.
而且在我的工作生活中,在我的整个生活中也是如此。
We're going to talk about some of the themes from that book and beyond today-
今天我们将讨论该书及其他内容中的一些主题 -
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
but I just want to extend my gratitude.
但我只是想表达我的谢意。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's a true honor and pleasure to have you here.
非常荣幸和高兴您来到这里。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's very kind.
这真是太好了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
In modern parlance, they say you're the man.
用现代的话说,他们说你就是那个男人。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Ah.
啊。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
You're the man.
你就是那个男人。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The pack leader.
包的领导者。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That's right.
没错。
Many, many people want dogs, have dogs-
很多很多人想要狗,养狗——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
have these concepts of dogs-
对狗有这些概念——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
that lead them to think they're a great dog owner.
这让他们认为自己是一位伟大的狗主人。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But a lot of dog behavioral issues, emotional issues, we know probably reflects something in the human as well.
但我们知道,许多狗的行为问题、情感问题可能也反映了人类的某些问题。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Not probably.
不太可能。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So certainly.
所以当然。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, because there is no knowledge behind instinct.
是的,因为本能背后没有知识。
It's all reaction, so you can never blame an animal for doing the wrong thing.
这都是反应,所以你永远不能责怪动物做错事。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So you can guarantee for a dog to do the right thing.
所以你可以保证狗做正确的事。
Right?
正确的?
And so how?
那么如何呢?
Well, that means the human has good energy.
嗯,这意味着人类拥有良好的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And what's good energy?
什么是好的能量?
Well, if you understand the power of silence, which that gives you patience.
好吧,如果你了解沉默的力量,它会给你耐心。
The power of calmness, which that gives you trust.
平静的力量,会给你信任。
And calmness is you just learn how to breathe.
平静就是你刚刚学会如何呼吸。
Right?
正确的?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The power of confidence, that's knowledge.
信心的力量,那就是知识。
Right?
正确的?
And the power of love, when to give love, because a lot of times people give love at the wrong time, so you end up nurturing the wrong behavior.
爱的力量,何时给予爱,因为很多时候人们在错误的时间给予爱,所以你最终会养成错误的行为。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Hmm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So that's what happened to my clients.
这就是我的客户发生的事情。
And then the power of joy.
然后是喜悦的力量。
That's the celebration.
这就是庆祝活动。
Right?
正确的?
We're going to FIFA right now.
我们现在要去FIFA。
We're going to World Cup.
我们要去世界杯。
Nobody celebrates unless they make a goal.
除非进球,否则没有人庆祝。
You see what I'm saying?
你明白我在说什么吗?
But they have to be patient, calm, confident, love what they're doing, and celebrate afterward.
但他们必须保持耐心、冷静、自信、热爱自己正在做的事情,并在事后庆祝。
See, they follow that formula.
看,他们遵循这个公式。
It's the silence, it's the calm.
是寂静,是平静。
Before anybody's going to go to something so powerful, such as winning, right?
在任何人去做一些如此强大的事情之前,比如获胜,对吗?
Or being in a team or being in a group, the energies of silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy is what makes them Become a great team, because that's what connects your spirit, your instinct, your heart, and your mind.
或者在一个团队中或在一个团体中,沉默、平静、自信、爱、快乐的能量使他们成为一个伟大的团队,因为那是连接你的精神、你的本能、你的心和你的思想的东西。
And it's the same way we have to connect with a dog.
这就像我们与狗建立联系一样。
It's not just emotional.
这不仅仅是情感上的。
It's not just intellectual.
这不仅仅是智力上的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
When people just want to train the dog.
当人们只想训练狗时。
What you train is the mind.
你训练的就是心。
What you connect is the spirit, the instinct, and the heart.
你连接的是精神、本能、心灵。
That's what you connect.
这就是你所连接的。
And that's why I say, "Trust, respect, love." Trust the spirit, respect instinct, love with the heart, create with your mind.
这就是为什么我说“信任、尊重、爱”。信任精神,尊重本能,用心去爱,用头脑去创造。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
For many people, especially in the United States, they're not familiar with feeling energy and exchanging energy with a dog.
对于许多人来说,尤其是在美国,他们不熟悉感受能量以及与狗交换能量。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'll give an example of when Costello, my previous bulldog-
我举一个例子,我以前的斗牛犬科斯特洛-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
some probably bulldog mastiff, who knows what he was.
一些可能是斗牛犬獒犬,谁知道他是什么。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, whatever breed.
是的,无论什么品种。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Whatever he was, he was Costello.
不管他是什么,他都是科斯特洛。
But I learned something very important from you.
但我从你身上学到了一些非常重要的东西。
Before he's Costello, he's an animal.
在成为科斯特洛之前,他是一只动物。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Spirit.
精神。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Ah, spirit.
啊,精神。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Animal, specie.
动物, 物种.
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Breed, name.
品种、名称。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So the last thing they are is the breed and the name.
所以最后一件事是它们的品种和名称。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So when I rehabilitate a dog, what I'm doing is bringing back the happy spirit, bringing back the healthy instinct, and bringing back the rules, boundaries, limitations mind, because that's what makes them well-behaved, when they understand rules, boundaries, limitations, no matter what breed they are.
所以当我让狗康复时,我所做的就是带回快乐的精神,带回健康的本能,带回规则、界限、限制的思想,因为这就是让它们表现良好的原因,当它们理解规则、界限、限制时,无论它们是什么品种。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So it really doesn't matter if you have a pit bull, a Rottweiler, a German shepherd, or I'm Mexican and you're white, and African American.
所以,如果你养的是斗牛犬、罗威纳犬、德国牧羊犬,或者我是墨西哥人而你是白人、非裔美国人,这真的并不重要。
It really doesn't matter the race of the human.
人类的种族确实不重要。
What matter is, is that person has a happy spirit, a healthy instinct, and a well-educated mind.
重要的是,这个人有快乐的精神、健康的本能和受过良好教育的头脑。
Right?
正确的?
So you want to be a good human, right?
所以你想成为一个好人,对吧?
And you want to be part of the pack of the good humans.
你想成为好人中的一员。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And those humans are good, right?
那些人类都是好人,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Those are the humans that help other humans, or they create well-behaved dogs because they're following in that path.
这些人帮助其他人,或者他们创造了行为良好的狗,因为他们遵循这条道路。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
There are some people who are born to...
有一些人,生来就是...
I mean, I'm part of the pack where it's better humans, better planet, but I know a lot of people who are not-
我的意思是,我属于主张更好的人类、更好的地球的群体中的一员,但我知道很多人不是——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right
右
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
part of that path.
该路径的一部分。
So it's that.
就是这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Certainly, raising and living with Costello taught me a lot about how to sense people's energy.
当然,与科斯特洛一起长大和生活教会了我很多关于如何感知人们的能量的知识。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I had an amazing experience with him that I just want to-
我和他在一起经历了一段奇妙的经历,我只想——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
share briefly, that I realized now is probably the spirit component.
简单分享一下,我现在意识到的可能就是精神成分。
But it was something that I tried on the basis of what I read in your book.
但这是我根据我在你的书中读到的内容进行尝试的。
So I was walking him, and sometimes he didn't want to walk in a particular direction.
所以我陪他散步,有时他并不想朝某个特定的方向走。
And so he was always walking at my side-
所以他一直走在我身边——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
or a little bit behind me.
或者在我身后一点。
I had that going from a very early point.
我从很早的时候就有这样的想法。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I practiced no look, no touch, no speak in the first-
我一开始就练习不看、不碰、不说话——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
minutes of contact-
接触分钟数-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
or coming home, and we can talk about why that's important.
或者回家,我们可以讨论为什么这很重要。
But at one point I decided, based on what you put in your book, to try something that seemed kind of wacky to me-
但有一次,根据你在书中的内容,我决定尝试一些对我来说似乎有点古怪的东西——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
at the time, where I was just going to, at some point during the walk, we had a great stride, we're having a good time.
当时,我正要去的地方,在散步的某个时刻,我们迈出了一大步,我们玩得很开心。
He's smelling things, but we're moving on.
他闻到了气味,但我们继续前进。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I decided to just send him approval energy.
我决定只向他发送认可能量。
Like, I'm just going to think it.
就像,我只是想一下。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And then feel it.
然后感受一下。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'm just going to send him some energy.
我只是想给他输送一些能量。
And we're just walking around, I'm just doing this.
我们只是四处走走,我只是这样做。
I did not change where I was looking.
我没有改变我正在寻找的地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I did not change, as far as I know, the tension on the leash.
据我所知,我并没有改变皮带的张力。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Who knows?
谁知道?
And he just looks right up at me.
他只是抬头看着我。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I was like, "This is incredible." After a really good day of hiking or at work, he used to come to the lab with me or something, we were sitting, or I was cooking or something.
我当时想,“这太不可思议了。”经过一天美好的徒步旅行或工作后,他常常和我一起去实验室什么的,我们坐着,或者我在做饭什么的。
Every once in a while, while I'm doing something else, I would just send him this positive energy.
每隔一段时间,当我在做其他事情的时候,我就会给他传递正能量。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he would look over at me.
他会看着我。
It was wild.
很狂野。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I realized he's sensing things that are beyond my words.
我意识到他正在感知到我无法言语的事情。
In fact, I don't know that he ever really listened to what I said terribly much.
事实上,我不知道他是否真的认真听过我说的话。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He could really feel what I was feeling.
他真的能感受到我的感受。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He was probably paying attention a lot more of the time than I was aware.
他的注意力可能比我意识到的要多得多。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I also had the experience of when he was doing something I didn't like, I could send him disapproval.
但我也有过这样的经历,当他做一些我不喜欢的事情时,我可以向他表示不赞成。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he would stop.
他会停下来。
It was wild.
很狂野。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
We were meters away from each other.
我们彼此相距数米。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I could send him this energy.
我可以向他发送这种能量。
Now, to you, this is probably like, "Yes, of course."
现在,对你来说,这可能就像是,“是的,当然。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I think for me, and I think for most people that have dogs or are thinking about owning a dog, they're going to think this is crazy, right?
但我认为对我来说,对大多数养狗或正在考虑养狗的人来说,他们会认为这很疯狂,对吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I swear on my life that I could do this in a variety of circumstances.
但我以我的生命发誓,我可以在各种情况下做到这一点。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
While driving, anything, and he would react according to the energy that I was sending-
开车的时候,任何事情,他都会根据我发出的能量做出反应——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
out.
出来。
As a neuroscientist, I could make up some story.
作为一名神经科学家,我可以编一些故事。
Okay, well, fish have electric sensing field.
好吧,鱼有电场感应。
I could make up a story-
我可以编一个故事——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
in neurology, neuroscience, that would more or less hold together.
在神经病学、神经科学领域,这或多或少会结合在一起。
But I want to know your impression of what is this, and then hopefully that will take us into a discussion more about energy exchange between all sorts of beings.
但我想知道你对这是什么的印象,然后希望这能让我们更多地讨论各种生物之间的能量交换。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, silence is very powerful.
嗯,沉默的力量是非常大的。
Right?
正确的?
The power of prayer.
祈祷的力量。
My mom certainly is always connected.
我妈妈当然总是与我保持联系。
When I crossed the border, I felt my mom.
当我跨过边境时,我感受到了妈妈。
I jumped the border.
我跳过了边境。
And so jumping the border is a life and death thing, right?
所以跨越边境是生死攸关的事情,对吗?
And then so you give yourself to God, and then, of course, your mom is always thinking about you, so you feel this energy that is done by the prayer or by the silence.
然后你把自己奉献给上帝,然后,当然,你的妈妈总是想着你,所以你感受到这种通过祈祷或沉默所产生的能量。
You are what you believe.
你就是你所相信的。
And so if you believe you can connect, and you communicate this way, because you're going to be...
因此,如果您相信自己可以联系,并且以这种方式进行交流,因为您将...
I mean, the fact that people are not aware of energy, we can feel that a person doesn't feel good, and we don't even know each other.
我的意思是,事实上,人们没有能量意识,我们可以感觉到一个人感觉不好,我们甚至不认识对方。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So imagine if we humans are sensitive to that.
想象一下我们人类是否对此敏感。
All animals never stop this way of being.
所有动物都不会停止这种存在方式。
Right?
正确的?
The sensitivity of animals, they don't go into the mind.
动物的敏感性,它们不会进入头脑。
They stay within their instinct because that's how they stay safe and maintain the peace.
他们遵循自己的本能,因为这就是他们保持安全和维持和平的方式。
And so what you did was exactly that.
所以你所做的正是那样。
Don't talk.
别说话。
Don't talk with words.
不要用言语说话。
Talk with energy, body language, and intention.
充满活力、肢体语言和意图地交谈。
How do you become the best dog trainer in the world?
如何成为世界上最好的训狗师?
Because that's all you think about.
因为这就是你所想的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's all you think about.
这就是你所想的。
Even when you go to sleep, even when you're not talking about it.
即使当你入睡时,即使当你不谈论它时。
So you create the law of attraction.
所以你创造了吸引力法则。
You create the law of creation.
你创造了创造法则。
The most difficult law is the law of maintenance, right?
最难的法就是赡养法吧?
Because it's easy to attract, it's easy to create.
因为它很容易吸引,所以很容易创造。
What's hard is to maintain.
难的是维护。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
And that's why patience is so important, or silence is so important, yeah?
这就是为什么耐心如此重要,或者沉默如此重要,是吗?
Because this one is infinite.
因为这个是无限的。
It's an infinite energy.
这是无穷无尽的能量。
So if you feel that, imagine how powerful you become.
所以如果你有这种感觉,想象一下你会变得多么强大。
And then just to be right here where you are claiming your space, calm, that gives you another power because that gives the animals the capability to trust, and then your intention, right?
然后只要你在这里声明你的空间,冷静,这就会给你另一种力量,因为这给了动物信任的能力,然后你的意图,对吗?
What is it that you want without words?
无需言语,你想要什么?
"I just don't want you to pee over there.
“我只是不想让你在那里撒尿。
I just don't want you to go after that dog.
我只是不想让你去追那只狗
I just want you to stop doing what you're doing." Because think about when cats communicate with a dog, it's a completely different species, but can a cat control a dog?
我只是想让你停止做你正在做的事情。”因为想想猫和狗交流的时候,是完全不同的物种,但是猫能控制狗吗?
The same way you did.
和你一样。
Same.
相同的。
Silence, calm, confident.
沉默、冷静、自信。
So that's why a cat can control a Rottweiler and a pit bull.
这就是为什么猫可以控制罗威纳犬和斗牛犬。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
When people feel, oh, it's a very dangerous breed.
当人们感觉,哦,这是一个非常危险的品种。
At the moment you think something is dangerous, you give your power away.
当你认为某件事很危险的时候,你就放弃了你的力量。
At the moment you bring silence, calmness, confidence, you regain your power back.
当你带来沉默、平静、自信的那一刻,你就重新获得了力量。
And that's the first line of communication before sound.
这是声音之前的第一条通讯线。
But most people focus on, "I want to train my dog.
但大多数人关注的是,“我想训练我的狗。
I want my dog to listen to commands." No, no, no, no. You want your dog to listen to your silence, to your calmness, to what's in your mind without saying a word.
我希望我的狗能够听从命令。”不,不,不,不。你希望你的狗不言不语地倾听你的沉默、你的平静、你的想法。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That's exactly it right there.
就是这样。
The relationship with Costello improved in order of magnitude when I understood that.
当我明白这一点时,我和科斯特洛的关系有了很大的改善。
That I could talk to him all day or say whatever, it had a very little potency-
我可以和他聊一整天或者说什么,它的效力很小——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
compared to how I would show up.
与我的表现相比。
And then it also taught me a lot, of course, about how to arrive home-
当然,它也教会了我很多关于如何回家的知识——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
how to walk into a-- I'd bring him to class.
如何走进——我带他去上课。
I taught a-
我教过一个——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
400-person class.
400人班。
He would walk in.
他会走进去。
It was very interesting.
这很有趣。
Everyone, "Oh, dog." Dogs.
每个人都说“哦,狗。”狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Most professors wouldn't bring their dog to class.
大多数教授不会带他们的狗来上课。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he knew it was all there, typical Costello.
他知道一切都在那里,典型的科斯特洛。
He would just kind of walk to the front of the classroom.
他只是走到教室前面。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He'd wait a few minutes, not look at anybody, and then he would decide.
他会等几分钟,不看任何人,然后他就会做出决定。
He'd just glare at all of them.
他只会瞪着他们所有人。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He could light up a room.
他可以照亮一个房间。
But I understood that I wouldn't let him be too much of a celebrity-
但我明白我不会让他太出名——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
or else he would start misbehaving.
否则他就会开始行为不端。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I had to remind him like-
我不得不提醒他——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
we have a structure and an order.
我们有一个结构和顺序。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's correct.
这是正确的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I do think that people would benefit so much from getting in touch with this capacity that they have to sense their own energy and the energy-
我确实认为人们会从接触这种能力中受益匪浅,以至于他们必须感知自己的能量和能量-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
of other people, regardless of if they have a dog.
其他人的情况,无论他们是否养狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, Americans go to India to be quiet, right?
好吧,美国人去印度就是为了安静,对吧?
And then to practice not eating, which they call fasting, right, and then to stretch.
然后练习不吃东西,他们称之为禁食,对吧,然后伸展身体。
But that's practically it, is silence, learn how to breathe-
但实际上就是这样,就是沉默,学会如何呼吸——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
and then stretch.
然后拉伸。
Gives you a little bit agility into it.
给你一点灵活性。
And you learn to control hunger, which in a third-world country, that's what we learn.
你要学会控制饥饿,这就是我们在第三世界国家所学到的。
We learn to control hunger.
我们学会控制饥饿。
We learn to be quiet.
我们学会安静。
We learn to be calm.
我们学会冷静。
Whatever we know, we do really good at it.
无论我们知道什么,我们都非常擅长。
We become really good farmers, really good animal people, right, and family people, God people.
我们成为真正的好农民,真正的好动物人,对吧,还有家庭人,上帝人。
And so we have a good structure, good discipline, and such a basic, simple stuff.
所以我们有一个良好的结构、良好的纪律以及如此基本、简单的东西。
And that's what gives us the upper hand of walk a dog off leash.
这就是我们在遛狗时摆脱皮带的优势。
When I started walking dogs in America, I didn't know it was illegal to walk dogs off leash.
当我开始在美国遛狗时,我不知道不拴绳遛狗是违法的。
I was walking 40, 60 dogs at a time.
我一次遛 40、60 只狗。
Right?
正确的?
And I was doing it off leash because that's all I knew.
我是不受束缚地做这件事,因为这就是我所知道的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
And so that energy of silence, calmness, confidence is what now that I understand what I did, is what led me to this event for people to see me from Inglewood to South Central.
因此,现在我明白了自己所做的事情,正是这种沉默、平静、自信的能量,促使我参加了这次活动,让从英格尔伍德到中南部的人们都能看到我。
It's a Mexican guy that walks a pack of dogs from Inglewood to South Central off leash.
这是一个墨西哥人,他不拴狗绳,把一群狗从英格尔伍德遛到中南部。
That's when "The LA Times" came and did a piece on me because they couldn't understand this concept of walking a dog off leash.
就在那时,《洛杉矶时报》来了,对我做了一篇报道,因为他们无法理解遛狗不拴绳的概念。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This dog shaman or something.
这狗萨满什么的。
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And a dog here in the land of the free, right?
在自由之地还有一只狗,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because dogs in America have rights, but that doesn't mean they can walk off leash.
因为在美国狗有权利,但这并不意味着它们可以摆脱束缚。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see, the dog has to be on a leash, and humans have to learn to transmit that energy through the leash, because there's a lot of dogs that react on the leash.
你看,狗必须拴在皮带上,而人类必须学会通过皮带传递能量,因为有很多狗会对皮带产生反应。
When the dog should be the most well-behaved, then a dog is off the leash.
当狗应该表现得最乖的时候,那么狗就脱离了束缚。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
But the leash in the animal world is trust, respect, love.
但动物世界的束缚是信任、尊重、爱。
The leash in the animal world is that human understanding, silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy, and that's pack leader, direction, protection, right?
动物世界中的皮带是人类的理解、沉默、冷静、自信、爱、欢乐,这就是群体领导、方向、保护,对吗?
That's the only way you can say, "I'm a pack leader." Right?
这是你可以说“我是群体领袖”的唯一方式。正确的?
Because you are that energy.
因为你就是那种能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'd like to take a quick break and acknowledge one of our sponsors, LMNT.
我想稍微休息一下并感谢我们的赞助商之一 LMNT。
LMNT is an electrolyte drink that has everything you need and nothing you don't.
LMNT 是一种电解质饮料,拥有您需要的一切,没有您不需要的东西。
That means the electrolytes, sodium, magnesium, and potassium, all in the correct ratios, but no sugar.
这意味着电解质、钠、镁和钾的比例都正确,但不含糖。
Proper hydration is critical for brain and body function.
适当的水合作用对于大脑和身体功能至关重要。
Even a slight degree of dehydration can diminish your cognitive and physical performance.
即使是轻微程度的脱水也会降低您的认知和身体表现。
It's also important that you get adequate electrolytes.
获得充足的电解质也很重要。
The electrolytes, sodium, magnesium, and potassium, are vital for the functioning of all cells in your body, especially your neurons or your nerve cells.
电解质(钠、镁和钾)对于体内所有细胞(尤其是神经元或神经细胞)的功能至关重要。
Drinking LMNT makes it very easy to ensure that you're getting adequate hydration and adequate electrolytes.
饮用 LMNT 可以轻松确保您获得足够的水分和电解质。
My days tend to start really fast, meaning I have to jump right into work or right into exercise.
我的日子往往开始得很快,这意味着我必须立即投入工作或立即锻炼。
So to make sure that I'm hydrated and I have sufficient electrolytes, when I first wake up in the morning, I drink 16 to 32 ounces of water with an LMNT packet dissolved in it.
因此,为了确保我有足够的水分和足够的电解质,当我早上第一次醒来时,我会喝 16 至 32 盎司的水,其中溶解有 LMNT 包。
I also drink LMNT dissolved in water during any kind of physical exercise that I'm doing, especially on hot days when I'm sweating a lot and losing water and electrolytes.
我还会在进行任何体育锻炼时饮用溶解在水中的 LMNT,尤其是在炎热的日子里,当我大量出汗并失去水和电解质时。
LMNT has a bunch of great-tasting flavors.
LMNT 有很多美味的口味。
In fact, I love them all.
事实上,我爱他们所有人。
I love the watermelon, the raspberry, the citrus, and I really love the lemonade flavor.
我喜欢西瓜、覆盆子、柑橘,而且我真的很喜欢柠檬水的味道。
So if you'd like to try LMNT, you can go to drinklmnt.com/huberman to claim a free LMNT sample pack with any purchase.
因此,如果您想尝试 LMNT,可以访问 Drinklmnt.com/huberman,购买任意商品即可领取免费的 LMNT 样品包。
Again, that's drinklmnt.com/huberman to claim a free sample pack.
再次强调,请访问 Drinklmnt.com/huberman 索取免费样品包。
Today's episode is also brought to us by Joovv.
今天的节目也是Joovv给我们带来的。
Joovv makes medical-grade red light therapy devices.
Joovv 生产医疗级红光治疗设备。
Now, if there's one thing that I have consistently emphasized on this podcast is the incredible impact that light can have on our biology and our health.
现在,如果我在这个播客中一直强调一件事,那就是光对我们的生物学和健康产生的令人难以置信的影响。
Now, in addition to sunlight, which I've talked about a lot on this podcast, red light, near-infrared, and infrared light have been specifically shown to have positive effects on improving numerous aspects of cellular and organ health.
现在,除了我在这个播客中多次谈论的阳光之外,红光、近红外光和红外光已被具体证明对改善细胞和器官健康的许多方面具有积极作用。
These include faster muscle recovery, improved skin health, wound healing, improvements in acne, reduced pain and inflammation, improved mitochondrial function, and even improvements in vision.
这些包括更快的肌肉恢复、改善皮肤健康、伤口愈合、改善痤疮、减少疼痛和炎症、改善线粒体功能,甚至改善视力。
Nowadays, there are a lot of red light devices out there, but what sets Joovv lights apart, and why they're my preferred red light therapy device, is that they use clinically proven wavelengths, meaning they use the specific wavelengths of red light, near-infrared, and infrared light in combination to trigger the optimal cellular adaptations.
如今,市面上有很多红光设备,但 Joovv 灯的与众不同之处以及它们成为我首选红光治疗设备的原因在于它们使用经过临床验证的波长,这意味着它们结合使用特定波长的红光、近红外光和红外光来触发最佳的细胞适应。
Personally, I use the Joovv whole body panel about three to four times a week, usually for about 10 to 20 minutes per session, and I use the Joovv handheld light both at home and when I travel.
就我个人而言,我每周使用 Joovv 全身面板大约三到四次,通常每次大约 10 到 20 分钟,并且我在家和旅行时都使用 Joovv 手持灯。
If you would like to try Joovv, they're offering up to $400 off select products for listeners of this podcast.
如果您想尝试 Joovv,他们将为该播客的听众提供精选产品高达 400 美元的折扣。
To learn more, visit Joovv spelled J-O-O-V-V .com/huberman.
要了解更多信息,请访问 Joovv(拼写为 J-O-O-V-V.com/huberman)。
Again, that's J-O-O-V-V .com/huberman.
同样,这是 J-O-O-V-V .com/huberman。
I'm in a dilemma whether to go down the concepts of what is happening in third world countries, not just today, but always in terms of how people sense energy and use energy-
我陷入了两难的境地:是否要了解第三世界国家正在发生的事情的概念,不仅是今天,而且总是在人们如何感知能源和使用能源方面——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
versus what we do here.
与我们在这里所做的相比。
But I think I'm also keen on the fact that many people listening don't know how to walk their dog.
但我想我也热衷于这样一个事实:许多听众不知道如何遛狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'll ask a very simple question first.
我首先会问一个非常简单的问题。
Should the dog always be next to you or behind you?
狗应该总是在你旁边还是在你身后?
Is there ever an instance where the dog should walk out in front of you?
有没有狗应该走到你面前的情况?
And as I say this, we both realize many people walk with their dog in front of them.
当我这么说时,我们都意识到很多人走路时都带着他们的狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So, could you tell us about the concept of where the dog is relative to us?
那么,您能告诉我们狗相对于我们的位置的概念吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, think about it.
好吧,想想看。
Look at it this way, so people can adopt the concept quicker.
从这个角度来看,人们可以更快地接受这个概念。
Because if you learn how to walk a dog, it would eliminate 90% of the problems.
因为如果你学会遛狗,就可以消除90%的问题。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The other 10% will be rules, boundaries, limitations, right?
另外 10% 是规则、界限、限制,对吗?
That's it.
就是这样。
So when a dog is a pup, he follows his parents.
所以当狗还是小狗的时候,他就会跟随父母。
Right?
正确的?
And then he plays, then he explore.
然后他玩耍,然后他探索。
But the first activity he learns is to follow.
但他学会的第一个活动是跟随。
Follow, play, explore.
跟随、玩耍、探索。
So play and explore becomes like a reward activities.
因此,玩耍和探索就变成了一种奖励活动。
That's the Chuck E.
这就是查克·E。
Cheese time.
奶酪时间。
Right?
正确的?
And so the follow is the one they learn the rules, boundaries, limitations.
接下来是他们学习的规则、边界和限制。
They learn to stay focused and not get distracted.
他们学会保持专注,不分心。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So naturally, dogs, they need to learn to follow.
所以,狗自然需要学会跟随。
When they go in front of you, they are in the mind of play or explore.
当他们走到你面前时,他们正在玩耍或探索。
But at the same time, if you do this every day, the dog learn that he has to lead you to places.
但与此同时,如果你每天都这样做,狗就会知道他必须带你去某个地方。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And is that stressful for the dog?
这对狗来说有压力吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
If a dog is middle of the pack and back of the pack, yes.
如果一只狗在群体中间和后面,是的。
If a dog is front of the pack, no.
如果狗在群体的前面,则不会。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
And so, very important.
所以,非常重要。
In order for people to have a front of the pack dog, they need a lot of knowledge.
为了让人们拥有一只驮在前面的狗,他们需要大量的知识。
And so most dogs are perfect middles or back.
所以大多数狗都是完美的中部或背部。
The back should be the easiest one.
背面应该是最简单的。
But when people don't do the right thing with the back, he becomes fearful.
但当人们没有对背部做正确的事情时,他就会变得害怕。
The middle of the pack should be the one for the families because they're naturally happy-go-lucky.
中间的应该是家庭的,因为他们天生就是无忧无虑的。
But if you do too much excitement, they become hyper.
但如果你表现得太兴奋,他们就会变得亢奋。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Hmm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
And-
还有——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And this is across breeds.
这是跨品种的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Doesn't matter if it's a bulldog or a dachshund.
无论是斗牛犬还是腊肠犬都没关系。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No. In every litter, there's front of the pack, middle of the pack, back of the pack.
不。每窝幼崽都有前部、中部、后部。
But it's more back of the packs being born, like followers, than it's only one per litter, a litter of the pack.
但它更像是在群体出生后,就像追随者一样,而不是每窝只有一个,即群体中的一窝。
So that's what they call in the breeder world a pick of the litter.
这就是饲养员世界中所谓的“一窝精选”。
See it?
看到了吗?
So in a litter of German shepherds, only one it can be a police officer.
所以在一窝德国牧羊犬中,只有一个可以成为警察。
The other one is pet quality, or they call them the run of the litter.
另一个是宠物品质,或者他们称之为“一窝中的佼佼者”。
Back of the pack, sensitive.
包装背面,敏感。
Middle of the pack, happy-go-lucky, is the HR of the pack, is the middle of the pack, right?
中间的,无忧无虑,是HR的,是中间的,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And then the front of the pack is the one that gives direction protection.
然后背包的正面是提供方向保护的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Ideally, for a family or for a typical domestic situation, I'm thinking United States, but elsewhere, because this is going everywhere, and this episode will go everywhere, middle or back of the pack?
理想情况下,对于一个家庭或典型的家庭情况,我想到的是美国,但其他地方,因为这种情况正在到处发生,而这一集将无处不在,中间还是后面?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Middle.
中。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Middle.
中。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
A family-
一个家庭——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
who has never raised a dog together, yeah, middle.
谁从来没有一起养过狗,是的,中间。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
How can you assess the litter when you see them so that you pick a middle of the pack dog-
当你看到它们时,你如何评估它们,以便你选择一只处于中间位置的狗——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
if that's what's appropriate?
如果那是合适的?
Sounds like that's the goal.
听起来这就是目标。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The front is going to be very easy to assess because he's going to be the biggest one.
前锋将很容易评估,因为他将成为最大的前锋。
He's going to be the one who's moving the sisters and the brothers away from the mom.
他将成为那个让姐妹和兄弟远离母亲的人。
Right?
正确的?
He's already going to practice dominance.
他已经准备练习统治了。
And then the middle is the second to get to the mother.
然后中间是第二个到达母亲那里。
And the back of the pack, they always wait.
而在队伍的后面,他们总是等待。
You see, they're more shy.
你看,他们更害羞。
Naturally.
自然。
They're just sensitive.
他们只是敏感而已。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What if you don't have access to the interaction with the mother?
如果您无法与母亲互动怎么办?
Having gone to pick up puppies a few times, sometimes you just see the puppies.
去接了几次小狗,有时你只看到小狗。
The mom's in another room.
妈妈在另一个房间。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Should you ask to watch the interaction, and if you-
您是否应该要求观看互动,并且如果您-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and if you can't, how can you assess if you're just looking at the litter?
如果你不能,如果你只看垃圾,你如何评估?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, normally, if you are in a situation, the breeder knows because that's why they put ribbons.
好吧,通常情况下,如果你遇到这种情况,饲养员就会知道,因为这就是他们戴丝带的原因。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Color ribbons, so they know, okay, this is middles, this are back.
彩色丝带,所以他们知道,好吧,这是中间,这是回来了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Even though they don't call them that way, they just call them run of the litter, pet quality, or front of the pack.
尽管他们不这么称呼它们,但他们只是称它们为“同类中的佼佼者”、“宠物品质”或“群体中的佼佼者”。
The front of the pack is just the obvious one.
包装的正面是最明显的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
And so just go inside where the puppies are, and there's no mother or nothing.
所以只要走进小狗所在的地方,就会发现没有妈妈,什么也没有。
Just stay quiet.
保持安静。
And every time you present something new, you're going to see the more confident coming to, and the more happy-go-lucky coming to, and the back of the pack, he doesn't get close.
每次你展示新东西时,你都会看到更加自信的人,更加无忧无虑的人,而最后的人,他无法接近。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Anything new.
任何新的东西。
It just can be a pillow, and that's the first time they're experiencing a pillow, and the front of the pack will go.
它只能是一个枕头,这是他们第一次体验枕头,包装的正面将会消失。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Amazing.
太棒了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And the middle of the pack will go and play.
中间的人会去玩。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's hardwired.
它是硬连线的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's there.
它就在那里。
That's why you can guarantee good behavior.
这就是为什么您可以保证良好的行为。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Because now you, okay, I want a middle of the pack Border Collie.
因为现在你,好吧,我想要一只中间的边境牧羊犬。
I want a middle of the pack golden retriever.
我想要一只中间的金毛猎犬。
I want a middle of the pack pit bull.
我想要一只中间的斗牛犬。
You can have it.
你可以拥有它。
You see?
你看?
Because that's going to guarantee to you exactly what you want.
因为这将保证您得到您想要的东西。
It's going to be easier for you to tell him what to do because he was born naturally a follower.
你会更容易告诉他该怎么做,因为他天生就是一个追随者。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Versus if you get a front of the pack whatever breed, Chihuahua, I don't care what it is, they're born With the disposition of giving direction protection.
与如果你得到一个领先的品种,无论是吉娃娃,我不在乎它是什么,它们生来就有给予方向保护的性格。
So, wherever human wants to live with them needs to have more knowledge, right?
那么,无论人类想要与他们一起生活在哪里,都需要有更多的知识,对吗?
So, that's me running a pack of dogs and having different animals.
所以,这就是我饲养一群狗并饲养不同的动物。
The animals know that I have a big energy.
动物们知道我有很大的能量。
They don't know I have 43 acres.
他们不知道我有 43 英亩土地。
They just know I have a land.
他们只知道我有一块土地。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And that you're in charge of it.
并且你负责这件事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And all the ups and downs that I went through, and the wars that I go through, right, the divorces and all of that stuff.
还有我经历过的所有起起落落,以及我经历过的战争,对吧,离婚等等。
And I went through, and I find my silence, my calmness, my confidence, my love, my joy, right back.
我经历了这些,我发现我的沉默、我的平静、我的自信、我的爱、我的快乐,就这样回来了。
They know my energy is big, right?
他们知道我的能量很大,对吗?
So, that I can have a front of the pack, but I don't have one.
所以,我可以拥有一个正面,但我没有。
I have middles and back.
我有中部和背部。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Even you?
甚至你?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Even me.
甚至是我。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Because it will require so much.
因为它需要这么多。
I would need to find him a job.
我需要给他找一份工作。
You see what I'm saying?
你明白我在说什么吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Like a border patrol, something like that.
就像边境巡逻之类的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Looking for the bad guys.
寻找坏人。
That would be a job.
那将是一份工作。
It's just one officer and one dog.
只有一名军官和一只狗。
He doesn't need the pack.
他不需要这个包。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Fascinating.
令人着迷。
I'm sure, like many people listening, I'm trying to figure out was Costello front of the pack.
我确信,就像许多正在听的人一样,我试图找出科斯特洛是领先者。
I think he was.
我想他是。
He was an enormous dog.
他是一只巨大的狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I mean, even within his litter.
我的意思是,即使在他的窝里。
And when I went to go pick him up, I had met him as a three-week-old puppy.
当我去接他时,我遇见了他,他还是一只三周大的小狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He was the one butting all the other ones out-
他是第一个把其他人都打败的人——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
eating from their food bowls.
从他们的食物碗里吃东西。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He was-
他是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They claim.
他们声称。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
He didn't yelp, didn't yap at all.
他没有叫喊,根本没有叫喊。
He just ate everything-
他刚刚把所有东西都吃了——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right
没错
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
took everything, peed where he wanted to.
拿走所有东西,随心所欲地撒尿。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Did everything.
做了一切。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So, it was a difficult thing raising him.
所以,抚养他是一件困难的事情。
This new one, Strummer, who's four and a half months, he's definitely middle, maybe even back of the pack, but-
这个新来的,斯特鲁默,四个半月大了,他绝对是中间的,甚至可能是最后的,但是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
A little sensitive
有点敏感
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
he was second out when he was born.
他出生时是第二名。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And they said, "Oh, he's going to be the pick of the litter." They said it, but definitely not.
他们说:“哦,他将成为这一窝中的佼佼者。”他们这么说,但绝对不是。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Quickly it was clear that he kind of kept a little bit distance.
很快我们就发现他保持了一点距离。
He is very sensitive.
他非常敏感。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay.
好的。
That's good.
那挺好的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Much sweeter.
更甜了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, sensitive.
是的,敏感。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah, much more playful.
是啊,好玩多了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's better.
这样更好。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And that's the part that I have to work with-
这就是我必须处理的部分-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
because they enchant us.
因为它们让我们着迷。
I noticed with Strummer, he just figured out that if he gets into play mode, it lights me up, and then I have to remember to stay in my-
我注意到斯特鲁默,他刚刚发现,如果他进入游戏模式,它就会照亮我,然后我必须记住留在我的-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
place.
地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
My proper place.
我该有的地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, yeah.
是啊,是啊。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Because I'm trying to teach him, here, this is the order of things.
因为我想教他,这就是事情的顺序。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's very important because I want to be able to bring him anywhere.
这非常重要,因为我希望能够把他带到任何地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Leave him in a room alone with little kids, and trust completely-
让他单独和小孩子待在一个房间里,并完全信任——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
that he's not going to accidentally do something.
他不会无意中做某事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
For people that want to learn to sense their own energy, use their energy field-
对于想要学习感知自身能量的人来说,利用自己的能量场——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
should they also be asking if they are front, middle, or back of pack?
他们还应该问自己是在背包的前面、中间还是后面吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The human?
人类?
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
In the human world.
人类世界中。
This is something that's a little bit of a sensitive topic, right?
这是一个有点敏感的话题,对吧?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I know.
我知道。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Because every guy wants to say, "Yeah, I'm an alpha, not a beta." Everyone thinks that way.
因为每个人都想说:“是的,我是阿尔法,而不是贝塔。”大家都这么想。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I like to think in different circumstances, people can move up or down the-
我喜欢认为在不同的情况下,人们可以向上或向下移动-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The human can
人类可以
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
hierarchy.
层次结构。
I work with a lot of scientists-
我和很多科学家一起工作——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and I can tell you in so many environments, they don't come across as alphas.
我可以告诉你,在很多环境中,他们都不会被视为阿尔法。
But you put them in a laboratory or a lecture environment, and they own their space because that's their expertise.
但是你把他们放在实验室或讲座环境中,他们拥有自己的空间,因为那是他们的专业知识。
So, it can move around.
所以,它可以四处走动。
But can you explain what it is to observe oneself, really think honestly about oneself-
但你能解释一下什么是观察自己,真正诚实地思考自己吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and where one really lies in this, let's call it what it is.
真正的问题在哪里,我们就说它是什么吧。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's a hierarchy, but that makes it sound like one is better.
这是一种等级制度,但这听起来像是一个更好。
It just is what it is.
它就是这样。
You're either-
你要么是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It is
它是
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
front, middle, or back of pack human.
狼群的前部、中部或后部。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's their special magic, right?
这就是他们的特殊魔法吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Being back of the pack means they master calm surrender.
排在队伍后面意味着他们掌握了冷静投降的能力。
So, we have to learn to master calm surrender.
所以,我们要学会掌握平静的臣服。
That's our more sensitive state of mind, right?
那是我们更敏感的心态,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So, when I'm assessing and evaluating a dog, I go into my calm surrender state.
所以,当我评估和评价一只狗时,我会进入平静的投降状态。
So, I go in the back of the pack.
所以,我走到了背包的后面。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Hmm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
When it's time for me to give direction and protection, I go to the front of the pack.
当需要我提供指导和保护时,我会走到队伍的最前面。
When I achieve whatever I need to achieve, I go into the middle of the pack.
当我实现了我需要实现的目标时,我就进入了中间位置。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Hmm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So, the human-
所以,人类——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm
毫米
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
can take advantage of this position, of this state of mind.
可以利用这个位置,这个心态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The dog, the back of the pack dog, is going to tell you, "Listen, I'm here to master calm surrender." It doesn't mean I don't do happy go lucky.
狗,驮狗的背,会告诉你:“听着,我来这里是为了掌握冷静投降。”这并不意味着我不做快乐的事情。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But it can never do calm confident.
但它永远做不到冷静自信。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Back of pack can't do front of pack.
包装背面不能做包装正面。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Never, never, never.
从来没有,从来没有,从来没有。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And are we talking humans and dogs now, if we're really transparent?
如果我们真的透明的话,我们现在是在谈论人类和狗吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, it's just to have that fine line between what the human can do-
好吧,这只是为了在人类可以做的事情之间划清界限-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
right?
对吗?
Versus what the dog can't, right?
与狗所不能的相比,对吗?
So, it's important to understand that a dog is born with a position, right?
所以,了解狗生来就有地位很重要,对吗?
And the human can go from whatever position he was born to different positions, right?
人类可以从他出生的任何位置到不同的位置,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because like you say, it's a lot of scientist people who are very brilliant on this side, but when it comes to a dog, the dog takes over.
因为就像你说的,很多科学家在这方面都很聪明,但当涉及到狗时,狗就接管了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh, yeah.
哦,是的。
Or even just at a coffee shop, they become a smaller version of themselves.
或者甚至只是在咖啡店,他们就变成了自己的缩小版。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Not because they're weak, it's just it's not their domain of expertise, and they feel weak in that environment.
并不是因为他们弱,而是这不是他们的专业领域,他们在那种环境中感到弱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or they turn on one energy more than the other one.
或者他们比另一种能量更多地打开一种能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And so a lot of these people turn on more the affection energy.
因此,很多人会释放出更多的情感能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
And affection or love energy in the animal world is not a strong energy.
而动物世界中的情感或爱的能量并不是很强的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Tell me more about that, because I practiced on your recommendation, no look, no touch, no speak when I got home.
告诉我更多有关这一点的信息,因为我按照你的建议进行了练习,当我回到家时,不看、不碰、不说话。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Most difficult thing for people to do, I think.
我认为对人们来说最难做的事情。
They get home, and the dog is like super happy to see them.
他们回到家,狗看到他们非常高兴。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Tail is wagging.
尾巴在摇动。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, yeah.
是啊,是啊。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They're excited, and I'm like, "I'm going to ignore my dog?
他们很兴奋,我想,“我要忽略我的狗吗?
This feels like abuse."
这感觉就像是虐待。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right?
对吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I come in, do my thing, and then after some period of time, I'd be like, "Hey." And what I realized is every time after that, I'd come home, and he was calm.
但我进来,做我的事情,然后过了一段时间,我会说,“嘿。”我意识到,从那以后,每次我回到家,他都很平静。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He was excited to see me, but he was calm.
他见到我很兴奋,但他很平静。
Never jumping up and touching me.
从来没有跳起来碰我。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's correct.
这是正确的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Never jumping up and touching anyone else.
切勿跳起来并触摸其他人。
But if someone came over and they were super excited, it almost would confuse him.
但如果有人过来并且他们非常兴奋,那几乎会让他感到困惑。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Like, "This is not how people enter the space."
就像,“这不是人们进入这个空间的方式。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Most people, I think, have a very hard time not greeting-
我认为大多数人很难不打招呼——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
their dog with, men and women, squealing.
他们的狗,男人和女人,尖叫着。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
My baby!
我的宝贝!
It's great.
这很棒。
And it makes the dogs anxious.
这会让狗感到焦虑。
It causes problems in the relationship.
它会导致关系出现问题。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right?
对吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, absolutely.
是的,绝对是。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I think most people don't realize that.
但我想大多数人都没有意识到这一点。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, that's exactly, you said it.
嗯,确实如此,你说的是。
I don't want to ignore my dog, and I don't want to tell my dog that I don't love him, because then the interpretation, the dog miss me.
我不想忽视我的狗,也不想告诉我的狗我不爱他,因为这样解释,狗想念我。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But every time you leave an animal behind walls, the animal is going to go excited or anxious.
但每次你把动物留在墙后,它都会变得兴奋或焦虑。
Right?
正确的?
So not always what you're greeting is a happy dog.
所以你迎接的并不总是一只快乐的狗。
Most of the time, what you're greeting is an excited, anxious dog that is confused.
大多数时候,你迎接的是一只兴奋、焦虑、困惑的狗。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So it's very important, when people see dogs greet another dog, there is no excitement.
所以非常重要的是,当人们看到狗与另一只狗打招呼时,不要感到兴奋。
There is respect.
有尊重。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And they wait until the front of the pack allows them to come in.
他们会等到前面的狼群允许他们进来。
They can't just come in into their intimate space.
他们不能随便进入他们的私密空间。
So it's a ritual.
所以这是一种仪式。
So it's three rituals that are very important for people to master with no touch, no talk, no eye contact.
因此,这三种仪式对于人们来说非常重要,要掌握不接触、不说话、不目光接触的方式。
One is the meeting.
一是会议。
Every time you meet a dog, always remind them about safe, peace, nose, eyes, ears, trust, respect first.
每次遇到狗时,请始终提醒它们安全、和平、鼻子、眼睛、耳朵、信任、尊重。
And then there's the walk, the dog right next to you, following you, quiet.
然后就是散步,狗就在你旁边,安静地跟着你。
And then when you feed.
然后当你喂食的时候。
So those three activities are very meaningful to dogs, but it all starts with the meeting, with the greeting.
所以这三项活动对狗来说非常有意义,但这一切都始于见面、问候。
So every time you reunite, you have to remind your dog that you are a source of safety and peace, of trust, respect, of nose, eyes, ears.
所以每次你们团聚时,你都必须提醒你的狗,你是安全与和平、信任、尊重、鼻子、眼睛、耳朵的源泉。
You have to tell them that.
你必须告诉他们这一点。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Dissect nose, eyes, ears for us.
为我们解剖鼻子、眼睛、耳朵。
Because I think most people, because we're humans, especially in the US and in Northern Europe or wherever-
因为我认为大多数人,因为我们是人类,尤其是在美国和北欧或任何地方-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep, England
是的,英格兰
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
da, da, da, da.
达,达,达,达。
It's speaking.
它正在说话。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Ears, eyes, nose.
耳朵、眼睛、鼻子。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
People are just speaking constantly like, "Hi, hi, hiya!" This is not the best way to communicate with a dog who you are and what you're about and what the trust relationship-
人们只是不断地说话,比如“嗨,嗨,嗨!”这不是与狗交流你是谁、你是什么以及信任关系是什么的最佳方式——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, it creates excitement.
嗯,它会让人兴奋。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
It creates a dog that learned to greet people with excitement.
它创造了一只学会兴奋地与人打招呼的狗。
So if you greet your dog with excitement, you are the source to other humans, so he's going to greet all the humans excited.
因此,如果你兴奋地迎接你的狗,你就是其他人类的源泉,所以他会兴奋地迎接所有的人类。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
He's going to jump on people.
他会跳到人身上。
Not everybody wants a dog that doesn't belong to them to jump on them.
并不是每个人都希望一只不属于他们的狗跳到他们身上。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But because let's say you do that, your dog has learned to welcome humans excited.
但假设你这样做了,你的狗就学会了兴奋地欢迎人类。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So when a dog is born, he borns with the nose open.
所以当狗出生时,他出生时鼻子是张开的。
15 days later, they open the eyes.
15天后,他们睁开了眼睛。
21 days later, they open the ears.
21天后,他们打开了耳朵。
This is scientifically.
这是有科学依据的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
This is in all the encyclopedias.
这在所有的百科全书中都有。
So that means the dog met his parents through the nose, then the eyes, then the ears.
所以这意味着狗通过鼻子认识了他的父母,然后是眼睛,然后是耳朵。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
But when people wants to do ears, eyes, nose, they want to create a human.
但当人们想做耳朵、眼睛、鼻子时,他们想创造一个人。
They want the dog to understand the way you and I understand.
他们希望狗能像你我一样理解。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
"Hey, Andrew, how you doing?" But we can control that excitement, right?
“嘿,安德鲁,你好吗?”但我们可以控制这种兴奋,对吗?
At least we should.
至少我们应该。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Some people can't.
有些人不能。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
But, so it's a different ritual for us.
但是,这对我们来说是一种不同的仪式。
We believe in parties.
我们相信政党。
We believe in parades.
我们相信游行。
For a horse to go to New York is a very excited place.
对于一匹马来说,去纽约是一个非常令人兴奋的地方。
It takes conditioning because no horse will ever volunteer going to New York.
这需要经过训练,因为没有一匹马会自愿去纽约。
See, it has to be conditioned.
瞧,它必须有条件。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Because you're bringing him to a very excited environment where his instincts say flight.
因为你把他带到了一个非常兴奋的环境,他的本能是逃跑。
Excitement-
兴奋——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah, recently there have been these problems, sorry to cut you off.
是的,最近出现了这些问题,抱歉打扰您。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I don't know if you saw a couple of the carriages-
不知道你有没有看到几节车厢——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
in Central Park took off.
在中央公园起飞。
Someone was killed recently.
最近有人被杀了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
There's a whole debate going on now whether or-
现在正在进行一场完整的辩论,无论是还是-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
not this is good or bad for these horses, but it's just clear, regardless of where one sits on the debate, that you can't take the instinct out of the animal.
这对这些马来说并不是好事还是坏事,但很明显,无论争论中的立场如何,你都无法剥夺动物的本能。
There are triggers that will send them over an edge.
有一些触发器会让它们越过边缘。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or you have to make sure that you keep eye on how is the spirit of the horse, is the instinct of the horse healthy.
或者你必须确保你密切关注马的精神如何,马的本能是否健康。
Is the spirit happy?
精神快乐吗?
Because when they just go into the habit of working, working, working, working, even a police dog can crash.
因为当他们养成了工作、工作、工作、工作的习惯时,即使是警犬也会崩溃。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗?
Even a police dog can bite a police officer because it's overworked.
即使是警犬也会因为过度劳累而咬伤警察。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I have a few friends from the special operations community.
我有一些来自特种作战界的朋友。
They work with these dogs that jump out of planes, parachute, do-
他们和这些从飞机上跳下来、跳伞、做-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, the Belgian Malinois.
是的,比利时玛利诺犬。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
The Malinois.
马里诺犬。
And several of those guys have told me that with those dogs, you cannot ever, ever let up your guard as the leader.
其中几个人告诉我,对于这些狗,作为领导者,你永远不能放松警惕。
In fact, a few guys who got a little soft with them, just a tiny bit, like one anecdote was they decided to invite the dog in to watch a movie with them one night-
事实上,有几个家伙对他们有点软弱,只是一点点,就像一个轶事一样,他们决定邀请狗进来和他们一起看电影,一天晚上 -
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
when they're on deployment, or maybe they were training, I don't know.
当他们部署时,或者他们正在训练时,我不知道。
And he let the dog get a little too close to him during the movie, and the next day he got bit.
在看电影时,他让狗离他太近了,第二天他就被咬了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And it's like they're constantly trying to move up the hierarchy.
就好像他们一直在努力提升自己的地位。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He's like, "It sucks because you fall in love with these animals."
他说,“这很糟糕,因为你爱上了这些动物。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But you have to constantly keep the relationship in its proper place, or they'll not turn on you, but they'll try and take your position.
但你必须不断地将关系保持在适当的位置,否则他们不会攻击你,但他们会试图占据你的位置。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They don't try.
他们不尝试。
That's the thing with animals.
动物就是这样。
They don't try.
他们不尝试。
They just do.
他们就是这么做的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
There is no knowledge behind instinct.
本能背后没有任何知识。
It's all reaction.
都是反应。
So at the moment your energy goes down, bam.
所以此刻你的能量下降了,砰。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Amazing.
太棒了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
At the moment.
此刻。
So they keep a eye on your energy.
所以他们会关注你的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But at the same time, this kind of dogs are always in a high level of excitement, and they keep them that way.
但与此同时,这种狗总是处于高度兴奋状态,并且保持这种状态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah, they're vigilant.
是的,他们很警惕。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They're-
他们是——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah
是啊
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
keep them like that.
让他们保持这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They don't know how to turn it off.
他们不知道如何将其关闭。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So to create a great home family dog-
所以要打造一只优秀的家庭犬——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
or even if somebody lives alone, it's no look, no touch, no speak in the first couple of minutes of contact.
或者即使有人独自生活,在接触的最初几分钟内也不能看、不能触摸、不能说话。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, until the dog becomes peaceful and calm and open mind.
是的,直到狗变得平静、平静和开放的心态。
So surrender means the mind is open.
所以臣服意味着心智开放。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So once the mind opens up, you can teach whatever you want, such as waiting, such as being calm.
所以一旦心开放,你就可以教你想要的任何东西,比如等待,比如平静。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What if somebody has an anxious dog right now, they haven't been doing this, and the dog is pawing at them and running around?
如果有人现在有一只焦虑的狗,他们没有这样做,而狗却用爪子抓着他们并到处乱跑怎么办?
Should the person just stay completely in that calm space, moving about and ignoring them touching them?
这个人是否应该完全留在那个平静的空间中,四处走动并忽略他们的触摸?
Or should they be physically giving like get off me type thing?
或者他们应该给予身体上的帮助,比如滚开我之类的东西?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, this also has to do with how much exercise, physical exercise the dog has received.
嗯,这也与狗接受了多少运动、体育锻炼有关。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
How long is his walk?
他步行要走多长时间?
Because most people walk 20, 30 minutes, that's not enough, and the dog end up in the house for 23 and a half hours.
因为大多数人步行 20、30 分钟是不够的,而狗最终会在家里待上 23 个半小时。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
In my opinion, it borders on abuse.
在我看来,这近乎虐待。
It's really incredibly hard on an animal to have that much energy.
对于动物来说,拥有如此多的能量确实非常困难。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But this is the same people say, "I love my dog."
但这就是人们说的“我爱我的狗”。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And my first question is, how long do you walk him?
我的第一个问题是,你陪他走多长时间?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What is your recommendation?
你的建议是什么?
I realize it varies by breed and by age.
我意识到它因品种和年龄而异。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, and by level of energy.
是的,还有能量水平。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because some are couch potatoes, low level energy.
因为有些人是沙发土豆,能量水平低。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Some middle and some high, right?
有的中等,有的高,对吧?
And so it depends on the energy of the dog.
所以这取决于狗的能量。
So not because a dog is at back of the pack does it mean they don't have high level energy.
因此,并不是因为狗处于群体的最后面就意味着它们没有高水平的能量。
Okay?
好的?
Because the sled dogs, there is a lot of guys that go in the back.
因为是雪橇犬,所以后面有很多人。
It's only one in the front, if you notice, right?
如果你注意到的话,它只是前面的一个,对吧?
And even in the back of the pack dogs, because they create a pack from middle back, right?
即使是在群狗的后面,因为它们从中背部形成群,对吗?
And that's why they stay in that mode.
这就是他们保持这种模式的原因。
And so even the back of the pack, they have to have the same level of stamina as the one in the front.
因此,即使是排在最后的,他们也必须拥有与前面的人相同水平的耐力。
So not because it's the back of the pack, it's couch potato.
所以不是因为它是包装的背面,而是因为它是沙发土豆。
So then you have to understand the levels of energy that they're born with.
所以你必须了解他们与生俱来的能量水平。
Low, medium, high.
低、中、高。
Yeah.
是的。
So a lot of times people say, "Oh, bulldogs are couch potatoes." No. You can have a bulldog that is absolutely athletic.
所以很多时候人们会说:“哦,斗牛犬是沙发土豆。”不,你可以拥有一只绝对运动的斗牛犬。
And has that stamina to go, and obviously you have to help him with the breathing part, because they just go into no limits.
并且有耐力,显然你必须帮助他呼吸部分,因为他们只是没有限制。
So you have to help him cool down.
所以你必须帮助他冷静下来。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I can tell you Strummer has a lot of energy, compared to Costello.
我可以告诉你,与科斯特洛相比,斯特鲁默精力充沛。
So two minimum 30 minute walks per day, as much as a couple hours twice a day.
因此,每天至少步行两次,每次 30 分钟,最多两次,每次几个小时。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
With a backpack on.
背着背包。
Obviously, the dog's a little older, because the backpack adds that extra half hour.
显然,这只狗有点老了,因为背包增加了额外的半小时。
Because now the dog is carrying something.
因为现在狗带着东西。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So a weighted backpack?
那么加重背包?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And how should one assess percentage of body weight of the dog?
又该如何评估狗的体重百分比呢?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
At the beginning, you can just put a backpack, because they're psychologically, they don't want to wear anything.
一开始,你可以只放一个背包,因为他们从心理上来说,什么都不想穿。
Nothing that we put on them, they want to wear it.
我们给他们穿的任何东西,他们都想穿。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
A leash, a collar, a muzzle, boots.
皮带、项圈、口套、靴子。
Doesn't matter.
没关系。
So psychologically, that drains them.
从心理上来说,这会让他们精疲力尽。
Because they've got to get used to it.
因为他们必须习惯它。
So you walk until the dog comes surrendered to it, and then you take it off, and then the mind will become very drained.
所以你一直走,直到狗屈服于它,然后你把它脱下来,然后头脑就会变得非常疲惫。
Once the dog gets used to it and then you start putting weight, you can start with five pounds.
一旦狗习惯了,然后你就开始增加体重,你可以从五磅开始。
Remember, everything you add something, you challenge the mind, and the goal is simply for the mind to surrender.
记住,你添加的一切都是在挑战头脑,而目标只是让头脑屈服。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
And then the body is going to become calm because it's wasting energy.
然后身体就会变得平静,因为它在浪费能量。
So your job literally every day with a dog is to empty the tank.
所以你每天和狗在一起的工作就是清空水箱。
Empty the tank, because a tired dog is never going to give you problems, ever.
清空水箱,因为疲惫的狗永远不会给你带来麻烦。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
True.
确实如此。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Ever.
曾经。
How?
如何?
He doesn't have the energy to give you problems.
他没有精力给你制造麻烦。
And then on top of that, you create rules, bounds, limitations, such as just put food right here, but you can't touch it.
除此之外,你还可以制定规则、界限和限制,比如把食物放在这里,但你不能碰它。
So the mind now has to be disciplined not to touch it.
所以现在必须训练心不去触碰它。
Then the mind has to learn instead of doing this, to do this.
然后头脑必须学习而不是这样做,这样做。
And that requires self-discipline.
这需要自律。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
If you tell the dog, "Don't touch it," or, "Don't touch the human, don't touch the food, don't touch the cat," they go into a calm surrender state and they wait.
如果你告诉狗,“不要碰它”,或者“不要碰人,不要碰食物,不要碰猫”,它们就会进入平静的投降状态并等待。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
The first thing that I taught Strummer was to suppress action, just as a general theme.
我教斯特鲁默的第一件事就是抑制行动,就像一个总的主题一样。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He learned it right away.
他立刻就学会了。
At eight weeks, it took about a day, maybe even half a day-
八周的时候,大约需要一天,甚至可能半天——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
because I had learned the hard way with Costello-
因为我从科斯特洛身上学到了惨痛的教训——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
who was much more stubborn.
谁更固执。
I could set food down-
我可以放下食物-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
as a eight-week-old puppy, because we went through the training process.
作为一只八周大的小狗,因为我们经历了训练过程。
He's not touching it until he looks at me.
他没有碰它,直到他看着我。
I can walk around the room, I can do whatever I want.
我可以在房间里走来走去,我可以做任何我想做的事。
He's tracking, and then when I say, "Okay"-
他正在追踪,然后当我说“好吧”时——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
then he's going to eat.
然后他就去吃饭了。
I will just mention there's an inhibition from the forebrain down to the brain regions that control impulses.
我只想提一下,从前脑到控制冲动的大脑区域都有抑制作用。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And this is what we call top-down inhibition, which is neuroscience speak for what you're describing practically, and I feel like it carries over to other circumstances more easily.
这就是我们所说的自上而下的抑制,这是神经科学对你所描述的内容的实际描述,我觉得它更容易延续到其他情况。
But I can put food in front of him now and leave the room.
但我现在可以把食物放在他面前,然后离开房间。
I don't do this for extended periods.
我不会长时间这样做。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I come back, he's not going to touch it.
但我回来了,他不会碰它。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And then he starts to eat.
然后他开始吃饭。
Now it's a little bit more difficult with things like trying to teach him to not be mouthy on...
现在有点困难了,比如教他不要多嘴……
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So I have a rule, no skin in dog's mouth.
所以我有一个规定,狗嘴里不能有皮肤。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay.
好的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's all or none.
要么全有,要么全无。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Perfect.
完美。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Make it simple, because it's really cute when they're a puppy-
简单点吧,因为它们还是小狗的时候真的很可爱——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
those teeth are a little sharp, and then you can kind of...
这些牙齿有点锋利,然后你可以...
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it's a thick black line.
但这是一条粗黑线。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And my girlfriend knows this too.
我女朋友也知道这一点。
She's like: "No, but he wants to play." And it's like-
她说:“不,但他想玩。”这就像——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
no skin goes in his mouth.
没有皮肤进入他的嘴里。
Because that's a simple rule.
因为这是一个简单的规则。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And if he does happen to go for skin, I'll do the little yelp thing.
如果他碰巧去吃皮,我就会做小尖叫的事情。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He understands right away.
他立刻就明白了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So if people hear this, they're going to be like, "This is terrible," right?
所以如果人们听到这个,他们会说,“这太糟糕了,”对吗?
You're putting food in front of him, and he wants to eat, and you're not letting him, but could you elaborate why this is so important to the dog's happiness and well-being?
你把食物放在他面前,他想吃,但你不让他吃,但是你能详细说明为什么这对狗的幸福和幸福如此重要吗?
Because I believe it is, and I could see that in Costello.
因为我相信确实如此,而且我在科斯特洛身上也能看到这一点。
I see it in Strummer.
我在斯特鲁默身上看到了这一点。
There's a trust, there's a calmness, there's an availability to go more places.
有信任,有平静,有机会去更多地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But many people, they just like, "He's hungry.
但很多人,他们只是喜欢,“他饿了。
She's hungry.
她饿了。
They missed me." They didn't know what they were doing.
他们想念我。”他们不知道自己在做什么。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or they feel guilty because they didn't walk the dog.
或者他们因为没有遛狗而感到内疚。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Guilt plays a big role in raising dogs.
内疚感在养狗过程中扮演着重要角色。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Well, then let's stay on the walk for a moment.
好吧,那么我们继续步行一会儿吧。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What is so critical about the structured walk?
结构化步行有何重要意义?
I've been doing two hours a day or so of structured walk-
我每天都会进行两个小时左右的结构化步行-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
since he was little, and people say that's too much for a puppy.
从他很小的时候起,人们就说这对于一只小狗来说太过分了。
I feel like he's been great with two one-hour walks.
我觉得他在两次一小时的散步中表现得很好。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's because they forget instincts.
这是因为他们忘记了本能。
They forget instinct, that a dog instinctually is going to follow his parents to find food and water.
他们忘记了本能,狗本能地会跟随父母寻找食物和水。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes.
是的。
They do it after two months of age, because otherwise they will stay within the den.
它们在两个月大后就会这样做,否则它们就会呆在巢穴里。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But from two to four, they follow.
但从两个到四个,他们都会跟着。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They follow, and somebody's always taking care.
他们跟随,并且总是有人照顾。
You can see it in the African wild dogs.
你可以在非洲野狗身上看到这一点。
There is always somebody that supervises the litter, but they allow them to follow.
总是有人监督这些垃圾,但他们允许它们跟随。
And then they go to a certain stance because they're growing.
然后他们会采取某种立场,因为他们正在成长。
But as soon as the dog gets into six, eight months of age, that guy wants to walk more than 30 minutes, guaranteed.
但一旦狗长到六、八个月大,那家伙就肯定想走路超过 30 分钟。
He doesn't want to stay in one place too long.
他不想在一个地方停留太久。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So all these people with their dogs home all day, or some people will say, "Well, the dog has the yard, running around the yard." It's not the same.
所以所有这些人整天都带着狗在家,或者有些人会说,“好吧,狗有院子,在院子里跑来跑去。”这不一样。
Being able to run around a yard.
能够绕着院子跑一圈。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
With the yard, it becomes like the zoo.
有了院子,它就变得像动物园了。
It's an animal in the zoo with a yard, but that's not natural.
这是动物园里的动物,有院子,但这并不自然。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's just practical for the human.
这对人类来说很实用。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And the human feels like, "Okay, I have a backyard.
人类的感觉是:“好吧,我有一个后院。
That's where the dog does exercise." But the dog is going in circles.
那是狗锻炼的地方。”但狗却在原地打转。
So exercise for a bird is going...
所以鸟类的锻炼正在进行......
For a fish.
为了一条鱼。
A bird have to fly, a fish have to swim, and a dog has to walk.
鸟必须飞,鱼必须游,狗必须走。
It's just the nature of each species.
这只是每个物种的本质。
So the walk is the most important activity in my eyes.
所以步行是我眼中最重要的活动。
Look at the homeless people with their dogs, why they can walk a dog off leash.
看看那些带着狗的无家可归者,为什么他们可以不拴狗绳遛狗。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You were the first person I ever heard say that homeless people are the best dog owners.
你是我第一个听到说无家可归的人是最好的狗主人的人。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And the humans who are blind, the human who are blind, dog is right next to them.
盲人,盲人,狗就在他们旁边。
A homeless people, dog in the back.
一个无家可归的人,狗在后面。
So what are they doing right?
那么他们做对了什么?
Well, the dog is following them.
好吧,狗正在跟着他们。
Right?
正确的?
They're in a follower state.
他们处于追随者状态。
And so the dog that lives with the blind is not allowed to get distracted, because his purpose is to guide the blind.
所以和盲人一起生活的狗是不可以分心的,因为它的目的是引导盲人。
And the dog that lives with the homeless, he's not allowed to go in front.
还有那只和无家可归者住在一起的狗,他不被允许走在前面。
Consciously or unconsciously, the dog stays in the back.
狗有意识或无意识地呆在后面。
Nine out of 10 homeless people have a pit bull, and the dog is well-behaved, off leash.
十分之九的无家可归者都有一只斗牛犬,而且这只狗很乖,没有拴绳。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I see a lot of them in my neighborhood.
我在我家附近看到很多这样的人。
Well, this is Los Angeles.
嗯,这是洛杉矶。
It's incredible.
太不可思议了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Incredible, right?
难以置信,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Incredible.
难以置信。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But in Mexico, every single dog in a third-world country, every single dog is off leash.
但在墨西哥,第三世界国家的每只狗都没有拴绳。
So in America, the American dream for a lot of people is to have a dog walk off leash.
所以在美国,很多人的美国梦就是让狗摆脱束缚。
Because people pay a trainer to train their dog to be off leash, when this is the nature of a dog.
因为人们花钱请训练师来训练他们的狗不拴绳,而这是狗的天性。
You see that it doesn't make any sense, once you hear it.
一旦你听到它,你就会发现它没有任何意义。
You just have to help them by practicing the ritual of no touch, no talk, no eye contact.
你只需要通过练习不接触、不说话、不眼神交流的仪式来帮助他们。
Let the dog be calm, surrender in front of you.
让狗冷静下来,在你面前投降。
Make sure during the walk, he's also in the same state of mind.
确保在散步过程中,他也处于同样的心态。
And before you feed him.
在你喂他之前。
Do this for at least three weeks, so you get into this habit.
这样做至少三周,这样你就会养成这个习惯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That when you greet, when you walk, and when you feed.
当你打招呼时,当你走路时,当你喂食时。
So then this dog is going to have this beautiful silence, calm, surrender.
那么这只狗将会拥有这种美丽的沉默、平静、投降。
And this is the dog you bring into dog parks or dog beaches.
这就是您带入狗公园或狗海滩的狗。
And then your job is to make sure that the dog that your dog is going to play with has the same energy as your dog.
然后你的工作是确保你的狗要和你的狗一起玩的狗具有与你的狗相同的能量。
You have to be selective, just like with kids, right?
你必须有选择性,就像对待孩子一样,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You have to be selective.
你必须有选择性。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I don't bring my dog to dog parks.
我不带我的狗去狗公园。
I used to.
我以前也是这样
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You don't need to.
你不需要。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'd like to take a quick break and acknowledge our sponsor, AG1.
我想稍微休息一下并感谢我们的赞助商 AG1。
AG1 is a vitamin mineral probiotic drink that also includes prebiotics and adaptogens.
AG1 是一种维生素矿物质益生菌饮料,还包含益生元和适应原。
I discovered AG1 way back in 2012, long before I ever had a podcast, and I've been taking it every day since.
我早在 2012 年就发现了 AG1,那时我还没有播客,从那时起我就每天都在服用它。
The reason I started taking AG1, and the reason I still take it every day, is because AG1 is, to my knowledge, the highest quality and most comprehensive of the foundational nutritional supplements on the market.
我开始服用 AG1 的原因,以及我仍然每天服用的原因,是因为据我所知,AG1 是市场上质量最高、最全面的基础营养补充剂。
AG1 is designed to support things like gut health, immune health, and overall energy, and it does so by helping to fill any gaps that you might have in your daily nutrition.
AG1 旨在支持肠道健康、免疫健康和整体能量等方面,它通过帮助填补您日常营养中可能存在的任何缺口来实现这一目标。
I get asked pretty much all the time, "If I could only take one supplement, what should that supplement be?" And my answer is always AG1.
我经常被问到,“如果我只能服用一种补充剂,那么该补充剂应该是什么?”我的答案始终是AG1。
It has just been so helpful for supporting all aspects of physical health, mental health, and performance.
它对于支持身体健康、心理健康和表现的各个方面都非常有帮助。
If you would like to try AG1, you can go to drinkag1.com/huberman to get a special offer.
如果您想尝试 AG1,可以访问 Drinkag1.com/huberman 以获得特别优惠。
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AG1 限时免费赠送一瓶新的 omega-3 辅酶 Q10 产品。
Omega-3 and coenzyme Q10 are known to support cardiovascular health, cellular health, and energy generally, brain health, and much more.
众所周知,Omega-3 和辅酶 Q10 可支持心血管健康、细胞健康、能量、大脑健康等。
I personally take them both every day.
我个人每天都会服用它们。
Again, go to drinkag1.com/huberman to get a free bottle of the new omega-3 coenzyme Q10 with your first AG1 subscription.
同样,请访问 Drinkag1.com/huberman,首次订阅 AG1 即可免费获得一瓶新型 omega-3 辅酶 Q10。
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今天的节目也是八觉给我们带来的。
Eight Sleep makes smart mattress covers with cooling, heating, and sleep tracking capacity.
August Sleep 生产具有冷却、加热和睡眠跟踪功能的智能床垫套。
One of the best ways to ensure you get a great night's sleep is to make sure that the temperature of your sleeping environment is correct.
确保您睡个好觉的最佳方法之一是确保睡眠环境的温度正确。
And that's because in order to fall asleep and stay deeply asleep, your body temperature actually has to drop by about one to three degrees.
这是因为为了入睡并保持深度睡眠,您的体温实际上必须下降约一到三度。
And in order to wake up feeling refreshed and energized, your body temperature actually has to increase by about one to three degrees.
为了醒来时感觉神清气爽、精力充沛,您的体温实际上必须升高约一到三度。
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八睡眠会根据您的独特需求自动调节整个晚上的床温。
I've been sleeping on an Eight Sleep mattress cover for nearly five years now, and it has completely transformed and improved the quality of my sleep.
我已经睡在八睡眠床垫罩上近五年了,它彻底改变并改善了我的睡眠质量。
The latest Eight Sleep model is the Pod 5.
最新的八睡眠型号是 Pod 5。
This is what I'm now sleeping on, and I absolutely love it.
这就是我现在睡觉的地方,我非常喜欢它。
It has so many incredible features.
它有很多令人难以置信的功能。
For instance, the Pod 5 has a feature called Autopilot, which is an AI engine that learns your sleep patterns and then adjusts the temperature of your sleeping environment across different sleep stages.
例如,Pod 5有一个名为Autopilot的功能,这是一个人工智能引擎,可以学习你的睡眠模式,然后在不同的睡眠阶段调整你的睡眠环境温度。
It'll even elevate your head if you're snoring, and it makes other shifts to optimize your sleep.
如果您打鼾,它甚至会抬高您的头部,并进行其他转换以优化您的睡眠。
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如果您想尝试八睡眠,请访问八睡眠.com/huberman,新款 Pod 5 最高可享受 350 美元优惠。
Eight Sleep ships to many countries worldwide, including Mexico and the UAE.
八号睡眠船运往世界各地的许多国家,包括墨西哥和阿联酋。
Again, that's eightsleep.com/huberman to save up to $350.
同样,访问八睡眠.com/huberman 最多可节省 350 美元。
I've followed your recommendation with Costello, and also with Strummer.
我听从了你对科斯特洛和斯特鲁默的建议。
Exercise, discipline, and then affection.
锻炼、纪律,然后是关爱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And affection.
还有亲情。
Body, mind, heart.
身体、思想、心灵。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And for many people, they're going to hear that.
对于很多人来说,他们会听到这个。
It's reflexive for you now-
现在对你来说这是条件反射-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
of course.
当然。
This is your domain.
这是您的域名。
But they're going to be like this, "But they don't want to walk first thing in the morning.
但他们会这样,“但他们不想早上第一件事就是走路。
I want to cuddle with my dog first thing in the morning."
我早上第一件事就是想抱抱我的狗。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
My household now, I had to be really clear.
现在我的家庭,我必须非常清楚。
If we don't follow this, we're damaging the opportunities for Strummer.
如果我们不遵循这一点,我们就会损害斯特鲁默的机会。
We're actually hurting his psychological well-being.
我们实际上正在伤害他的心理健康。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And the only hard part with him is he doesn't necessarily like to wake up early, but sometimes have to walk him early, so it takes a little bit of extra encouragement.
而他唯一难受的地方就是他不一定喜欢早起,但有时又得早早地遛他,所以需要一点额外的鼓励。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The day always starts with a walk.
新的一天总是从散步开始。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Then discipline training, and then food.
然后是纪律训练,然后是食物。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And then some affection.
然后还有一些感情。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it's not hours of cuddling on the couch or anything.
但这不是在沙发上依偎几个小时之类的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I love him.
我爱他。
I would love to pick him up and-
我很想去接他并且-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
treat him like a little baby-
把他当小宝贝一样对待——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
much more often than I do.
比我更频繁。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I just see the incredible results that come from this exercise, discipline, and then affection.
但我只看到了这种练习、纪律和关爱带来的令人难以置信的结果。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, just living a natural life is love, right?
嗯,过着自然的生活就是爱,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because we want them to live as natural as possible.
因为我们希望他们尽可能自然地生活。
And so that's love in my eyes.
这就是我眼中的爱。
Exercise, discipline.
锻炼、纪律。
Discipline is not punishment, because that's a word that in the animal...
纪律不是惩罚,因为这个词在动物身上......
The dog people, when they hear the word discipline on the dog, they put it as punishment.
养狗的人,当他们听到狗身上有纪律这个词时,他们就把它当作惩罚。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah, they're thinking of a teacher hitting them.
是的,他们在想老师会打他们。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Like you're punishing the dog.
就像你在惩罚狗一样。
And no, you're just making sure the dog follows the rules, boundaries, limitations.
不,你只是确保狗遵守规则、界限和限制。
The dog follows a structure, and that's what we call discipline.
狗遵循一种结构,这就是我们所说的纪律。
Right?
正确的?
And that's how we achieve becoming well-behaved or achieving success, because we have to be disciplined, right?
这就是我们如何变得行为良好或取得成功,因为我们必须遵守纪律,对吧?
And so a lot of times, what I end up helping people is understanding the word, so the word doesn't block them from doing the right thing.
所以很多时候,我最终帮助人们理解这个词,所以这个词不会阻止他们做正确的事情。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Which is your job as a pet parent, because now the title pet parent, is direction, protection.
这是你作为宠物父母的工作,因为现在宠物父母的头衔是指导、保护。
Then love.
然后爱。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, but most dog people want to do affection, affection, affection.
是的,但是大多数爱狗的人都想要表达爱、爱、爱。
And when it should be exercise, discipline, affection, body, mind, heart.
当它应该是锻炼、纪律、情感、身体、思想、心灵时。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I think the walking part is so key, obviously.
显然,我认为步行部分非常关键。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I'll just say it, tell me if you agree or disagree if you want, but I think most people are just lazy.
我只是说,如果你愿意的话,请告诉我你是否同意,但我认为大多数人只是懒惰。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They don't want to walk.
他们不想走路。
And if they walk, they don't want to do it without talking on their phone or looking at their phone, and the dog can sense if your energy is on the walk or the energy is someplace else.
如果他们走路,他们不想在不打电话或看手机的情况下这样做,狗可以感觉到你的精力是在走路还是在其他地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or you're connected or you're disconnected.
或者您已连接或已断开连接。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or you're in a flexi-leash with a harness on, and you're on the phone, which those are the worst.
或者你戴着安全带,戴着灵活的皮带,而且你正在打电话,这是最糟糕的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
It's the moment where you are connected to mother nature and through the dog, right?
这是你通过狗与大自然联系在一起的时刻,对吧?
And people now, they see God as dog backwards.
而现在的人们,他们将上帝视为倒退的狗。
All right, so you're connected to spirit and you're connected to Earth, but you can't be connected to technology.
好吧,所以你与精神相连,与地球相连,但你无法与技术相连。
And the phone is the same thing, is the phone is for connection, communication, relationship.
和电话也是一样的,就是电话是用来连接、沟通、建立关系的。
So does the dog.
狗也一样。
Connection, communication, relationship to God, to Earth, to you.
连接、沟通、与上帝、与地球、与你的关系。
And so then you create that triangle, and then the dog is inside that bubble.
然后你创建了那个三角形,然后狗就在那个气泡内。
"Oh, this human is really respecting God.
“哦,这个人类真是尊敬上帝啊。
This human is really respecting Earth.
这个人类真的很尊重地球。
This human is really respecting the moment." So you create this vibe, right?
这个人真的很尊重当下。”所以你创造了这种氛围,对吧?
And the dog is in a follower state, so he's going to imitate the energy that you're in.
狗处于跟随状态,所以他会模仿你所处的能量。
Right?
对吗?
And so what is prayer?
那么什么是祷告呢?
An imitation of everybody doing the same energy.
模仿每个人都做同样的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I find it so fascinating that your relationship to dogs has opened up this understanding of human behavior, but not just how we behave, but how we relate to the entire world-
我觉得很有趣,你与狗的关系开启了对人类行为的理解,不仅仅是我们的行为方式,还有我们与整个世界的关系——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
like the energetics.
就像能量学一样。
This keeps coming up in our discussion.
这在我们的讨论中不断出现。
I feel I have other practical questions, but I want to touch on something that you mentioned before we started recording, which is that in a third-world country-
我觉得我还有其他实际问题,但我想谈谈你在我们开始录音之前提到的一些事情,那就是在一个第三世界国家——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
people are aware of death-
人们意识到死亡——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
very early on.
很早就。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And so the connection to the spiritual-
所以与精神的联系——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Hmm
嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
comes first, and all the rest follows.
首先,其余的都随之而来。
The complete inversion of somebody like me who was born in Northern California, it's like Silicon Valley-
像我这样出生在北加州的人完全颠倒了,就像硅谷一样——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
didn't call it that then.
那时并没有这么称呼它。
And-
还有——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
you learn everything through the logical structures-
你通过逻辑结构学习一切——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and science and-
和科学和-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Science, yeah
科学,是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
my dad's a scientist, and it-- But even if one loves poetry and music and things like that, which I do, the order is through the sort of like bricks on the ground first and-- But there's no concept of death actually until-
我父亲是一名科学家,但即使一个人喜欢诗歌、音乐之类的东西,就像我所做的那样,顺序也是首先通过地面上的砖块,但是实际上没有死亡的概念,直到——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
your grandparent dies or-
你的祖父母去世了或者-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
an animal dies or something.
动物死了或者什么的。
Tell me about this relationship to death and how it structures the psyche and the energy of people in third-world countries, because it's a direct outgrowth of everything we're talking about.
告诉我这种与死亡的关系,以及它如何构建第三世界国家人们的心理和能量,因为它是我们正在谈论的一切的直接产物。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Because I think it's going to be extremely useful to people regardless of where they live in the world.
因为我认为这对人们来说都非常有用,无论他们生活在世界的哪个地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
I think that's the first step, to learn not to be afraid of death, right?
我认为这是第一步,学会不害怕死亡,对吧?
That's the first step, because that's-- In America, they don't want nothing to die, but it's just what it is, right?
这是第一步,因为——在美国,他们不想让任何东西死去,但事实就是如此,对吧?
Birth, life, and death.
出生、生活和死亡。
So it's just-- That's why in the Mexican culture, we have El Dia de los Muertos, the Day of the Death.
所以这就是为什么在墨西哥文化中,我们有 El Dia de los Muertos,即死亡日。
So we learn to be okay with it.
所以我们学会接受它。
We learn to accept it because, in Mexico or a third-world country, death is everywhere.
我们学会接受它,因为在墨西哥或第三世界国家,死亡无处不在。
You can see it everywhere.
你随处都可以看到它。
I'm from the north of Mexico, Sinaloa, and you see people with their chopped heads and then hang up, and you go to school, and people are dead.
我来自墨西哥北部的锡那罗亚州,你会看到人们被砍头,然后挂断电话,然后你去学校,人们都死了。
So what do you end up doing in this moment?
那么此时此刻你最终会做什么呢?
Well, you end up believing that God will protect you.
好吧,你最终相信上帝会保护你。
That's your spirituality, right?
这就是你的灵性,对吗?
And just like what, I don't want a person to break into my house.
就像什么一样,我不希望有人闯入我的房子。
You get a dog, right?
你养了一只狗,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And so that the Mother Nature to protect you.
并让大自然来保护你。
So for us, when we grew up that way, seeing death everywhere, we learned to surrender to this higher power, right?
所以对我们来说,当我们以这种方式长大,看到死亡无处不在时,我们学会了屈服于这个更高的力量,对吗?
And we are what you believe.
我们就是您所相信的。
So it's really good in our experience to be able to surrender to death, but at the same time, we also surrender that somebody's going to give us direction, protection, love.
因此,在我们的经历中,能够臣服于死亡确实是件好事,但与此同时,我们也臣服于有人会给予我们方向、保护和爱。
The same thing.
同样的事情。
He's the pack leader, right?
他是这群人的领袖,对吗?
And we just surrender to that, right?
我们就屈服于这一点,对吗?
And as well, we surrender to Earth giving us food and taking care of Earth, because it's a combination of spirituality and instincts in a third-world country.
同样,我们屈服于地球,为我们提供食物并照顾地球,因为这是第三世界国家的灵性和本能的结合。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So it's almost like people in third-world countries place-- So they see the reality of death-
所以这几乎就像第三世界国家的人们一样——所以他们看到了死亡的现实——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
early, and they place themselves in a sort of hierarchy.
很早就,他们将自己置于某种等级制度中。
They look upward.
他们向上看。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes, these are religious people, right?
通常,并非总是,但很多时候,这些人都是宗教人士,对吧?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
My father's from Argentina-
我父亲来自阿根廷-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and it's a Catholic country-
这是一个天主教国家-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and it is a-
它是一个-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Latinos for-
拉丁裔为-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
by design, we are taught to spirit first, and then second is Mother Nature.
通过设计,我们被教导首先要精神,然后才是大自然。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Yeah.
是的。
It's numbered.
已编号。
It's like an order.
这就像一个命令。
And then you have to go to work.
然后你必须去上班。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So a job is number three.
所以工作是第三位。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And then you have to love the family, and then love is at the end, right?
然后你必须爱家庭,然后爱就结束了,对吗?
But it's God first, Earth second, which, and then it's family or work.
但首先是上帝,其次是地球,然后是家庭或工作。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And well, here in the United States, we're raised very differently, right?
嗯,在美国,我们的成长经历非常不同,对吧?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, self first.
是的,自我第一。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And it's also this idea that stuff is the portal to happiness.
也正是这种想法认为,物质是通往幸福的门户。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Happiness.
幸福。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Having the latest phone-
拥有最新的手机-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
having access to all the apps.
有权访问所有应用程序。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Shoes, a lot of shoes.
鞋子,很多鞋子。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Shoes, bags.
鞋子、包包。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I grew up with one pair of shoes.
我是伴随着一双鞋长大的。
One pair of shoes.
一双鞋。
And so we grew up with very-- Well, nothing.
所以我们是在非常——嗯,什么都没有的情况下长大的。
But then, so what-- How do we stay happy?
但那又怎样——我们怎样才能保持快乐呢?
Right?
正确的?
How do we stay happy?
我们如何保持快乐?
So it becomes like a belief system, right?
所以它变得像一个信仰体系,对吗?
And so that belief system, it has helped a lot of people that I know there to stay happy.
因此,这个信仰体系帮助我认识的很多人保持快乐。
It's just a happy people with nothing, which is the key, right?
只是一个幸福的人,一无所有,这才是关键,对吧?
You first have to learn to be happy, healthy, loving, smart with nothing.
你首先要学会在没有任何东西的情况下变得快乐、健康、有爱心、聪明。
Then when you have something, and then you're already happy, healthy, loving, smart, right?
当你拥有一些东西时,你就已经快乐、健康、充满爱心、聪明,对吗?
It just adds into your accomplishments.
它只会增加你的成就。
But animals don't understand money, fame, power.
但动物不懂金钱、名誉、权力。
Animals understand natural, simple, profound.
动物理解自然、简单、深刻。
So that's the part that I grew up in.
这就是我成长的部分。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Natural, simple-
自然、简单——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Simple, profound
简单、深刻
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
profound.
深刻。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Natural is your instinct, simple is to love, profound is your spirit Natural, simple, profound.
自然是你的本能,简单是爱,深刻是你的精神自然,简单,深刻。
So even if you're not smart, you can still be natural, simple, profound, and have an amazing relationship with animals.
所以即使你不聪明,你仍然可以自然、简单、深刻,与动物有着奇妙的关系。
Incredible.
极好的。
Even if you don't know how to read, you don't know where Europe is, but you can still have an amazing relationship with God and with mother nature, and with your family.
即使您不会读书,也不知道欧洲在哪里,但您仍然可以与上帝、大自然和家人建立奇妙的关系。
And therefore, if you're good to those three, you're good to you.
因此,如果你对这三个人好,你也会对你自己好。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I used to joke because I'd bring Costello to my lab with me, a lab of about 15 people.
我曾经开玩笑,因为我会把科斯特洛带到我的实验室,一个大约有 15 个人的实验室。
I'd walk in with him, and he'd go around, and he liked walking into the lab.
我和他一起走进去,他会四处走动,他喜欢走进实验室。
He'd see all the students and people working.
他会看到所有的学生和人们都在工作。
He used to bring his toy around to each of them sitting at their desks to try and get them to play.
他常常把他的玩具带到坐在办公桌前的每个人面前,试图让他们玩。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He was part of the lab.
他是实验室的一员。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And people really, I like to think they loved him.
人们真的,我喜欢认为他们爱他。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They told me anyway that.
不管怎样,他们告诉我了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I used to look at him sometimes and think he doesn't care that I'm the professor.
但有时我看着他,觉得他并不关心我是教授。
He doesn't care.
他不在乎。
That's the best part about this relationship.
这是这段关系最好的部分。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He doesn't care.
他不在乎。
He doesn't care even if we go home at night.
即使我们晚上回家他也不在乎。
Sometimes I would sleep-
有时我会睡觉——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
in the lab back then.
那时在实验室。
He doesn't care.
他不在乎。
He just wants us to be together.
他只是想让我们在一起。
He wants his walks.
他想要散步。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He likes to be on things.
他喜欢关注事物。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I just realized he just kind of wants to be around-
我刚刚意识到他只是想在身边-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
the joy of family, a laboratory.
家庭的欢乐,实验室。
He just wants to be part of this.
他只是想成为其中的一部分。
And it really helped me to just remove the concept that he even knew what roles were-
这真的帮助我消除了他甚至知道角色是什么的概念——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
or jobs were.
或工作是。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It was just this place we went.
我们去的就是这个地方。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I think dogs are a wonderful way to look at the world differently-
我认为狗是一种以不同的方式看待世界的好方法——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and realize both how different we are as a species, but also all these things that we've created.
并认识到我们作为一个物种有多么不同,也认识到我们创造的所有这些东西。
These are just human creations.
这些只是人类的创造。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And they're important.
它们很重要。
Jobs are important, obviously.
显然,工作很重要。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But to not project that onto him, but also, it's very useful to not project that onto people in the world.
但不要将其投射到他身上,而且,不要将其投射到世界上的人们身上也是非常有用的。
I'm not going to point at any specific colleagues, but I knew people who are very prominent in their field, and the way they go into the world was almost disappointed because people weren't feeding them the adoration that they felt they deserved.
我不会指出任何特定的同事,但我认识一些在各自领域非常杰出的人,他们进入这个世界的方式几乎令人失望,因为人们没有给予他们他们认为应得的崇拜。
But no one cares, right?
但没人关心,对吧?
Because they're in their own experience.
因为他们有自己的经历。
And I just mention this because in your book and these teachings that we've been talking about today, they taught me a lot about human energetics.
我之所以提到这一点,是因为在你的书和我们今天讨论的这些教义中,它们教会了我很多关于人类能量学的知识。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
We're not dogs, so we can't just transfer that in.
我们不是狗,所以我们不能把它转移进去。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it taught me that most of the time when we think we're operating from a place of knowledge and roles and all this stuff, there's something that's been constructed by humans, like a uniform-
但它告诉我,大多数时候,当我们认为我们是在知识、角色和所有这些东西的地方运作时,有一些东西是由人类建造的,比如制服——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
to show this person's in charge.
以表明此人是负责人。
They have all the stuff that reveals their accomplishments.
他们拥有一切能够彰显他们成就的东西。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The degrees on the wall.
墙上的学位。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You take that stuff away, and it's a very different kind of interaction.
你把这些东西拿走,这是一种非常不同的互动。
Who's this person?
这个人是谁?
What are they about?
它们是关于什么的?
What moves them forward or back?
是什么推动他们前进或后退?
Are they a good person or a bad person?
他们是好人还是坏人?
Are they scared?
他们害怕吗?
I think it's very helpful if people learn to tap into this a little bit.
我认为如果人们学会一点点利用这一点,那将非常有帮助。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
When I go to people's home, the human tells you the story, and the dog tells you the truth.
当我去别人家时,人告诉你故事,狗告诉你真相。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Just by you looking at him.
只要你看着他。
That's it.
就是这样。
The dog immediately tells, "This is the energy we feel, this is the philosophy we practice, and this is the actions we do." Immediately.
狗立即告诉我们:“这就是我们感受到的能量,这就是我们践行的哲学,这就是我们所做的行动。”立即地。
The dog always-- He's the most honest member of your house.
狗总是——他是你家里最诚实的成员。
They don't know how to lie.
他们不知道如何撒谎。
See it?
看到了吗?
They don't know how to do what we humans do.
他们不知道如何做我们人类所做的事情。
They just don't.
他们只是不这样做。
So I listen to the human because I need to understand, okay, where is this human stuck?
所以我倾听人类的声音,因为我需要了解,好吧,这个人被困在哪里?
And then through that conversation, I go, okay, what about it if we think of spirit, think about silence.
然后通过那次谈话,我想,好吧,如果我们想到精神,想到沉默,怎么样?
Do you like silence?
你喜欢沉默吗?
Okay.
好的。
Silence is part of the spiritual world.
沉默是精神世界的一部分。
And what about calmness?
那么冷静呢?
Calmness.
冷静。
I think I'm calm.
我想我很平静。
Okay.
好的。
Let's breathe.
让我们呼吸一下。
And then I change the instinctual world just by breathing.
然后我仅仅通过呼吸就改变了本能世界。
And then I start giving the information.
然后我开始提供信息。
So the intellectual world is more simple.
所以知识世界更加简单。
It's more clear with the nose, eyes, ears, rules, limitations.
用鼻子、眼睛、耳朵,规则、限制就更清楚了。
I'm just giving this simple information-
我只是提供这个简单的信息-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
so your mind knows how to execute.
所以你的头脑知道如何执行。
And then when do I love?
那我什么时候爱呢?
Hold on.
坚持,稍等。
Just wait.
等等。
And then when the dog goes now, that's when you love.
然后当狗走了,那就是你爱的时候。
Because I want to teach people to love silence, to love calmness, to love an open mind.
因为我想教导人们热爱沉默,热爱平静,热爱开放的心态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because people have learned to love an excited dog, an anxious dog, a dog that was a victim.
因为人们学会了爱一只兴奋的狗、一只焦虑的狗、一只受害者的狗。
So if you rescue a dog, and then that dog was in a bad situation, that person goes and rescue a dog because he feels bad.
因此,如果你救了一只狗,而那只狗的情况很糟糕,那么那个人就会去救一只狗,因为他感觉很糟糕。
And then that same person start telling everybody in the family what happened to that dog.
然后同一个人开始告诉家里的每个人那只狗发生了什么事。
So now the whole entire family feels bad for the dog.
所以现在全家人都为这只狗感到难过。
So when they describe the dog, they describe the past.
所以当他们描述狗时,他们描述的是过去。
So they learn to love the past because they feel sorry for this dog.
所以他们学会了爱过去,因为他们为这只狗感到难过。
So the dog now is fearful, controlling the house, and doesn't listen to the humans.
所以狗现在很害怕,控制着房子,不听人类的话。
At the moment, I grab the same dog, and I bring him to the ranch, and I give him silence, calmness, and be part of the pack, that dog changes.
此刻,我抓住那只狗,把他带到牧场,我给他安静、平静,并成为狗群的一部分,那只狗改变了。
They live in the moment.
他们活在当下。
So really, what happened to the past to a dog a month ago, a year ago is irrelevant.
所以说真的,一个月前、一年前对一只狗来说过去发生的事情是无关紧要的。
What's relevant is how do you treat him now?
重要的是你现在如何对待他?
And the only thing they need to become good is safe, peace, environment, a trust, respect human with exercise, discipline or exercise mental stimulation activities.
而他们要变得善良唯一需要的是安全、平和、环境、信任、尊重的人类以及锻炼、纪律或锻炼精神刺激的活动。
Then the love comes at the end.
然后爱情就到了最后。
Safe, peace, love.
安全、和平、爱。
Trust, respect, love.
信任、尊重、爱。
Exercise, discipline, affection.
锻炼、纪律、感情。
See, love is number three.
看吧,爱是第三位。
It's a reward.
这是一种奖励。
It's a reward.
这是一种奖励。
How do you stay happy?
你如何保持快乐?
Well, and then you are grateful.
嗯,然后你就很感激了。
How do you stay healthy?
你如何保持健康?
You learn how to breathe and do exercise.
您学习如何呼吸和锻炼。
How do you stay smart?
你如何保持聪明?
Well, you learn, you achieve, and you give it away, or you learn to turn your mind off.
好吧,你学习,你实现,然后你放弃它,或者你学会关闭你的思想。
And then, so when do I practice love?
那么,我什么时候练习爱呢?
Well, practice love once you master your spirit, your instinct, and your mind.
好吧,一旦你掌握了你的精神、本能和思想,就去实践爱吧。
Then love that thing about you.
然后爱你的那一点。
Love those three things about you.
喜欢你的这三点。
Your silence, your faith, your calmness, your trust to you, and then your confidence, your mind.
你的沉默,你的信仰,你的冷静,你对你的信任,然后是你的自信,你的头脑。
Love that.
喜欢那个。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Can dogs smell stress?
狗能闻到压力吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Feel stress.
感到压力。
It smells.
有气味。
But remember, it's the feeling of the energy that you have inside, your electricity.
但请记住,这是你内在能量的感觉,你的电力。
You're not functioning normal Then that same energy is going to create a chemistry, right?
你的功能不正常 那么同样的能量会产生化学反应,对吧?
Then you're going to sweat, and it's just going to go into the nose, eyes, ears.
然后你就会出汗,它就会进入鼻子、眼睛、耳朵。
But first it's without the nose, eyes, ears, just the animal in them is going to sense.
但首先它没有鼻子、眼睛、耳朵,只有里面的动物才能感知。
When an earthquake is about to come, they sense it way before it trembles.
当地震即将来临时,他们在地震发生之前就感觉到了。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So that energy of Mother Nature is shifting at a such a low level of sensitivity, then we see, then we hear things.
因此,大自然的能量正在以如此低的敏感度发生变化,然后我们看到,然后我们听到东西。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Humans are so obsessed with dog, quote unquote, intelligence that looks like our intelligence.
人类如此痴迷于狗,引用不引用,它的智力看起来就像我们的智力。
If I see another video of how many words a dog can learn or dogs doing tricks or walking on their hind legs, none of that impresses me.
如果我看到另一个关于狗可以学习多少单词或狗表演技巧或用后腿行走的视频,这些都不会给我留下深刻的印象。
I also like cephalopods, octopuses.
我也喜欢头足类动物,章鱼。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I have a couple of them, actually, and I'm fascinated by them, and people think they're extremely intelligent, and they may be, but I'm interested in their intelligence.
事实上,我有几个这样的人,我对他们着迷,人们认为他们非常聪明,他们可能确实如此,但我对他们的聪明才智感兴趣。
You can find a video of a guy who taught an octopus to play a piano.
你可以找到一个教章鱼弹钢琴的人的视频。
But if you look at the training process, it was just shaping, right?
但如果你看一下训练过程,那只是塑造,对吧?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Repetition.
重复。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Reward this and reward that.
奖励这个奖励那个。
That video, I'll go on record saying, totally unimpressive to me.
我会公开表示,那个视频对我来说完全没有印象。
It tells you far more about the trainer's willingness to painstakingly shape an animal than it does about octopuses at all.
它更能告诉你驯兽师煞费苦心地塑造动物的意愿,而不是章鱼。
I'm not saying an ant or a plant could've learned to play the piano, but what he did could be done with a horse if it just had big keys.
我并不是说蚂蚁或植物可以学会弹钢琴,但他所做的事情可以用一匹有大琴键的马来完成。
So there's nothing interesting about this, but humans, we seem obsessed with transferring our, let's keep it to first world, because that seems-
所以这没什么有趣的,但是人类,我们似乎痴迷于转移我们的,让我们把它保留在第一世界,因为这似乎——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Yes
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
aligned here.
在此对齐。
Our first-world understanding of what intelligence and knowledge is and skill is, and putting that onto other species.
我们对什么是智力、知识和技能的第一世界理解,并将其应用到其他物种身上。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And it's crazy.
这太疯狂了。
It doesn't reveal anything except our own shortsightedness and stubbornness about being unwilling to think about these other ways of communication and moving through the world.
它没有揭示出任何东西,除了我们自己的短视和顽固,不愿意思考这些其他的沟通方式和在世界上移动的方式。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, it's that self-oriented first versus pack-oriented.
嗯,这就是自我导向优先与群体导向。
What is what the pack needs versus what is what you want.
包需要什么与你想要什么。
So that is more like when the human just wants a baby, for example, and they get a dog.
所以这更像是当人类只想要一个孩子时,例如,他们养了一只狗。
Humanizing a dog, is it good for the dog?
把狗人性化,对狗有好处吗?
No. It's not good.
不,这不好。
It's good for the human.
这对人类有好处。
It's good for the human fantasy and fulfillment, emotional fulfillment, or whatever thing they have in their mind.
这对人类的幻想和满足、情感满足或他们心中的任何事情都有好处。
But is it good for the dog to be a human?
但狗当人就一定好吗?
Why would he want to be a human?
他为什么想成为人类?
Why they're not trying to do the same thing with a cat?
为什么他们不尝试对猫做同样的事情?
Because what they say is, "It's a cat, so you can't humanize a cat." You see what I'm saying?
因为他们说的是,“它是一只猫,所以你不能将猫人性化。”你明白我在说什么吗?
So the cat sends the human to hell, right?
所以猫会把人送进地狱,对吗?
Yeah, because the cat only comes whenever he wants to come, so you can't influence anybody who doesn't want to be with you.
是的,因为猫想来的时候就来,所以你无法影响任何不想和你在一起的人。
Right?
正确的?
The dog, you have to teach him to live without you.
狗,你必须教他在没有你的情况下生活。
He has to learn to keep you distant because he's pack-oriented.
他必须学会与你保持距离,因为他是群体导向的。
So you can influence a dog much quicker than you influence a cat.
所以你影响一只狗比影响一只猫要快得多。
You can't influence anybody who doesn't want to follow you.
你无法影响任何不想追随你的人。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
How do you feel about cats?
你对猫有什么感觉?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I love cats.
我喜欢猫。
I love all animals.
我爱所有的动物。
I was going to invite you to the ranch because we have all the species, and we can assess and evaluate your dog better.
我本来想邀请你去牧场,因为我们拥有所有的品种,我们可以更好地评估和评估你的狗。
With the chickens and the ducks and the different species, so we can see the prey drive.
由于鸡和鸭的种类不同,所以我们可以看到猎物的驱力。
And you are going to be able to see, do you have a dog with prey drive, and how do we block it?
你将能够看到,你的狗是否有猎物驱力,我们如何阻止它?
Or you have a dog with play drive and you just leave it open.
或者你有一只有玩耍欲望的狗,你只需将其打开即可。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh, I'd love to bring Strummer out there.
哦,我很想带斯特鲁默去那里。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
It's a good place because your dog gets to interact not just with dogs, but with other species that trigger that prey drive.
这是一个好地方,因为您的狗不仅可以与狗互动,还可以与触发猎物驱力的其他物种互动。
Very important, because what makes your dog social is that he learns to accept others.
非常重要,因为让你的狗变得社交化的是它学会接受他人。
See, I don't want a dog that has a protective drive.
看,我不想要一只有保护欲的狗。
I'm not interested in that.
我对此不感兴趣。
I just want a dog that accepts everybody.
我只想要一只能接受所有人的狗。
Yeah, and that's a dog that is going to give you zero lawsuits, zero liability.
是的,那是一只会给你带来零诉讼、零责任的狗。
Because he accepts everybody.
因为他接受所有人。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh, yeah.
哦,是的。
I know people in California in particular whose dogs charged other people, lawsuits.
我认识加利福尼亚州的一些人,尤其是他们的狗指控他人、提起诉讼。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Even if they didn't bite, that's a whole thing.
即使他们没有咬人,那也是一回事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And it can be a Lhasa Apso.
它可以是拉萨犬。
It can be a dog that was not meant for protection.
它可能是一只不适合保护的狗。
But because it doesn't have rules, boundaries, limitations, it doesn't walk, and every day the dog is bored, confused, or frustrated, and then he releases that because he's a predator.
但因为它没有规则、边界、限制,所以它不会走路,每天狗都会感到无聊、困惑或沮丧,然后它就会释放它,因为它是捕食者。
Dog by nature is a predator.
狗本质上是掠食者。
They're going to move forward to release energy.
他们将继续前进,释放能量。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
But you want them to move forward with the right state of mind or when you tell the dog to move forward.
但你希望他们以正确的心态继续前进,或者当你告诉狗继续前进时。
That's just discipline.
这只是纪律。
But people don't have that kind of understanding, and the dog end up doing whatever they want, so the dog end up putting people in a lawsuit, which another place where the dog doesn't know you're getting sued about it.
但人们没有这种理解力,狗最终会为所欲为,所以狗最终会把人们告上法庭,这是狗不知道你被起诉的另一个地方。
So he's not going to, "Oh, my God, we're going to lose money." The dog is not going to understand that concept.
所以他不会说,“天啊,我们要赔钱了。”狗不会理解这个概念。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
As humans, we project so much onto other species, other people.
作为人类,我们将太多的东西投射到其他物种、其他人身上。
And in the backdrop of everything we're talking about, I'm hoping that people are seeing the ways in which they can show up into circumstances with more calmness.
在我们谈论的一切的背景下,我希望人们能够看到如何以更加冷静的方式面对环境。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Especially if it's not reflexive.
特别是如果它不是反射性的。
Before every episode, I pray.
在每一集之前,我都会祈祷。
I do.
我愿意。
I ask for certain things.
我要求某些事情。
I try to open up certain things so that-- I realize not all of this is under our control.
我试图公开某些事情,以便——我意识到并非所有这些都在我们的控制之下。
That's my belief.
这就是我的信念。
And to try and invite certain things in.
并尝试邀请某些事物进来。
So it's not reflexive.
所以它不是反射性的。
I do it as a, you call it a discipline.
我把它当作一门学科,你称之为一门学科。
I'm happy to do it, but I think people assume that you're either calm or you're an anxious person.
我很乐意这样做,但我认为人们会认为你要么很冷静,要么就是一个焦虑的人。
People assume that their dog is either calm or anxious.
人们认为他们的狗要么是平静的,要么是焦虑的。
This is a terrible misconception.
这是一个可怕的误解。
I think we can become calmer regardless of where we are in our natural levels of anxiety or calmness.
我认为,无论我们处于自然的焦虑或平静水平的哪个阶段,我们都可以变得更加平静。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But animals will never choose anxiety or live an anxious life.
但动物永远不会选择焦虑,也不会过着焦虑的生活。
We're the only species that follow unstable leaders.
我们是唯一追随不稳定领导者的物种。
So to be the pack leader in the animal world, you have to be the most patient, the most calm, the most confident, the most loving, the more joyful.
所以要成为动物世界里的领头羊,你必须是最有耐心、最冷静、最自信、最有爱心、最快乐的。
Everything has to be at 100%.
一切都必须是100%。
Then you can be a pack leader.
那么你就可以成为一个群体领袖。
Right?
正确的?
And your job is to resolve problems, right?
而你的工作就是解决问题,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's practically it.
实际上就是这样。
So the least that you can do is to bring problems, anxiety, fear, insecurities.
所以你至少能做的就是带来问题、焦虑、恐惧和不安全感。
All of that stuff is something that you bring back home.
所有这些东西都是你带回家的。
You don't want that.
你不想要这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So before people hit the door coming home, they should do a check-in with self.
因此,在人们敲门回家之前,他们应该自行办理入住手续。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They should do a little prayer, too.
他们也应该做一点祈祷。
"God, just let me be silence, calm, confident, love, and joy to my dog." That's it.
“上帝,请让我对我的狗保持沉默、平静、自信、爱和快乐。”就是这样。
I want to practice no touch, no talk, no eye contact, and just help my dog to calm down, and then I'm going to give him affection.
我想练习不碰触、不说话、不目光接触,只是帮助我的狗平静下来,然后我就会给予他关爱。
I'm not saying not to give affection.
我并不是说不要给予感情。
I'm just saying give affection to patience and calmness and open mind, right?
我只是说要给予耐心、冷静和开放的心态,对吗?
Because when your dog misbehaves, you want him to go back there, go back to your good state of mind.
因为当你的狗行为不端时,你希望它回到那里,回到你良好的心态。
Right?
正确的?
You don't want the dog to do fight, flight, avoidance.
你不希望狗打架、逃跑、躲避。
Those are the bad state of mind.
这些都是不好的心态。
The good state of mind is patience, calm, surrender, or happy-go-lucky.
良好的心态是耐心、冷静、臣服或无忧无虑。
Those are good state of mind.
这些都是良好的心态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I think here I'm projecting a lot and assuming a lot, but I think a lot of people, deep down, I think they probably like that their dog is so, quote unquote, "happy to see them" at the end of the day.
我想我在这里投射了很多,假设了很多,但我认为很多人,在内心深处,我认为他们可能喜欢他们的狗,在一天结束时“很高兴见到他们”。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Excited.
兴奋。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Because I think many people feel devoid of real love and connection, and the idea that their "fur baby," I really don't like this term.
因为我认为很多人感觉缺乏真正的爱和联系,以及他们的“毛宝宝”的想法,我真的不喜欢这个词。
They're not babies.
他们不是婴儿。
Yes, they have fur.
是的,他们有毛皮。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I think out of respect for animals, we have to remember that they're animals first.
但我认为出于对动物的尊重,我们必须记住它们首先是动物。
When I first heard you say they're spirit, animal
当我第一次听到你说它们是精神、动物时
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
species-
物种-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Species, yeah
品种,是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and then breed, and then-
然后繁殖,然后——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The name
名称
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
the name.
名字。
It was so helpful for me because, I don't want to get into it here because it's not directly relevant, but in science, I've worked with humans, I've worked with animals, and I stopped working with animals because it was really hard on my soul.
这对我很有帮助,因为我不想在这里讨论它,因为它没有直接相关,但在科学方面,我曾与人类一起工作,我曾与动物一起工作,但我停止与动物一起工作,因为这对我的灵魂来说真的很难。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I understand biomedical research.
我了解生物医学研究。
I understand it is a whole other discussion.
我知道这是一个完全不同的讨论。
But even just the way that people would start to talk about animals, like we work on them, not with them.
但即使只是人们开始谈论动物的方式,就像我们为它们工作,而不是与它们一起工作。
And this is a complicated issue we could get into some time, but I started to realize we start using words to either dehumanize or humanize animals, and both are terrible.
这是一个我们可能会在一段时间内遇到的复杂问题,但我开始意识到我们开始使用文字来使动物非人化或人性化,而两者都是可怕的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Both.
两者皆有。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So when I heard you give this description of spirit animal, et cetera, I was like, he's saying don't humanize-
所以当我听到你对精神动物等进行描述时,我就想,他是在说不要人性化——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
these animals because it makes them feel unsafe.
这些动物因为这让它们感到不安全。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Or confused.
或者困惑。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Or confused.
或者困惑。
Yeah.
是的。
And years later, I realized, again, with all due respect to biomedical research and the need to make discoveries, I do think there's too much animal research that's unnecessary, these kinds of things.
多年后,我再次意识到,尽管对生物医学研究和发现的需要给予应有的尊重,但我确实认为有太多不必要的动物研究,诸如此类的事情。
Some is essential, but etc. But I realize there, we're dehumanizing animals.
有些是必要的,但等等。但我意识到,我们正在使动物失去人性。
And I thought, "Oh my goodness," because I had this incredible contradiction in my mind.
我想,“天哪”,因为我心里有这种令人难以置信的矛盾。
It was a real soul dilemma.
这是一个真正的灵魂困境。
I love Costello.
我爱科斯特洛。
It was like he was a family member, and I was willing to do all this work on myself and with him, but in my profession, I was observing things where I thought, "This is not okay." And I stopped, and I work with humans.
就像他是一个家庭成员一样,我愿意自己和他一起做所有这些工作,但在我的职业中,我观察到的事情让我觉得“这是不对的”。我停下来,与人类一起工作。
Even saying, "I work on humans," you hear scientists say, it's terrible.
即使说“我在人类身上工作”,你也会听到科学家们说,这太可怕了。
And I think words matter to humans, and because they shape how we behave.
我认为言语对人类很重要,因为它们塑造了我们的行为方式。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's correct.
这是正确的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And so I'm noticing a theme throughout today where you have words and simple ways for people to remember.
所以我注意到今天的一个主题,你有单词和简单的方法让人们记住。
No look, no touch, no speak, right?
不看、不碰、不说话,对吗?
Exercise, discipline, then affection, et cetera.
锻炼,纪律,然后是情感,等等。
That's telling people people stuff in people language.
这就是用人们的语言告诉人们一些事情。
But the level that you're really interested in and you're trying to convey is the animal experience and then the spiritual experience.
但你真正感兴趣并且想要传达的层面是动物体验,然后是精神体验。
I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you here, but this is the structure that I hear emerging that I think will be very useful to people because we're going high level, low level all the time.
我并不是想在这里对你进行心理分析,但这是我听到的正在出现的结构,我认为这对人们非常有用,因为我们一直在走向高水平、低水平。
So if people could start to think about themselves in this way-
所以如果人们能够开始这样思考自己——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and think about their animals-
想想他们的动物——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Why not?
为什么不呢?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
I think a lot of people are going to say, "Oh, no. I come home, and I want to be loved by my fur babies, and I want them to, 'And I miss you,' and I want to do FaceTime with you." And I think people genuinely, however, want their animal to feel safe.
我想很多人会说,“哦,不。我回到家,我想要被我的毛宝宝们爱着,我想要他们说,‘我想念你’,我想和你一起进行 FaceTime。”然而,我认为人们真诚地希望他们的动物感到安全。
They want their animal to feel secure.
他们希望他们的动物感到安全。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Number one.
第一。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And when I think about real love, it's about safety and security first.
当我想到真正的爱情时,首先是安全和保障。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So for someone that has-- Like the other day, I was in the hospital visiting a friend, and the woman behind the counter, we were talking, and she said, "I have two Frenchies."
所以对于那些有的人来说——就像前几天一样,我去医院探望一位朋友,柜台后面的那位女士,我们正在交谈,她说,“我有两个法国人。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I said, "Well, you work long shifts." She goes, "Yeah, they're home alone.
我说:“好吧,你轮班时间很长。”她说:“是的,他们一个人在家。
I come home, and they're pooping and peeing.
我回到家,看到他们拉屎撒尿。
I feel so guilty."
我感到很内疚。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And my first thought was, "You shouldn't own those dogs." But she's in love with the dogs.
我的第一个想法是,“你不应该拥有那些狗。”但她很喜欢狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I thought, "Well, okay." So I passed along a little bit of what I learned.
我想:“好吧,好吧。”所以我把我学到的一点点传授给大家。
And she just said flat out, "I can't do it.
她只是直截了当地说:“我做不到。
There's no way I could come home and they're going crazy and excited to see me that I couldn't just pick them up-
我不可能回家,他们见到我都疯狂又兴奋,因为我不能直接去接他们——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct
正确
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and just hold them."
并握住它们。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it's making them anxious.
但这让他们感到焦虑。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
She's nurturing them.
她正在抚养他们。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The same nurse that is helping humans to be healthy, she's helping her dogs to be unhealthy.
这位帮助人类保持健康的护士,却在帮助她的狗变得不健康。
It's so contrary.
真是太相反了。
That's exactly what you were going through, working with humans versus working on humans, right?
这正是你所经历的,与人类合作还是在人类身上工作,对吗?
So she's helping other species, right?
所以她正在帮助其他物种,对吗?
But the species that she's in love with, she is not.
但她所爱的物种,她却不是。
But that's because the story she is accepting in her head.
但那是因为她脑子里正在接受这个故事。
She's agreeing with that, right?
她同意这一点,对吗?
It's, "I have so much guilt that I can't stop it." Right?
它是,“我有太多的负罪感,我无法阻止它。”正确的?
Because that's what she's trying to do, to numb her guilt.
因为这就是她想要做的事情,麻痹她的愧疚感。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
When I was growing up, most people didn't have dogs in our neighborhood.
当我长大的时候,我们附近大多数人都没有养狗。
Suburban neighborhood.
郊区附近。
There were a few dogs.
有几只狗。
Now everyone's got a dog.
现在每个人都养了一只狗。
It's like having a phone.
就像拥有一部电话一样。
Everyone's got a dog.
每个人都有一只狗。
This doesn't seem like a good thing.
这似乎不是什么好事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's a great thing for me because I love to teach people about energy, philosophy, and actions.
这对我来说是一件伟大的事情,因为我喜欢教人们关于能量、哲学和行动的知识。
I want people to have a trust, respect, love, the most incredible relationship with a dog.
我希望人们与狗建立信任、尊重、爱,这是最不可思议的关系。
Because a dog really makes you a good human if you do things right.
因为如果你做对了事,狗确实能让你成为一个好人。
And then once you practice that, you can just give it to other humans.
一旦你练习了这一点,你就可以把它分享给其他人。
Because it makes it tangible.
因为它使它变得有形。
Does energy really work?
能量真的有用吗?
Yeah.
是的。
What about if I have a good philosophy?
如果我有一个好的哲学怎么办?
Did that really work?
那真的有效吗?
Yeah, it works.
是的,它有效。
Okay, what about if my actions are good?
好吧,如果我的行为是好的呢?
That really works, yes.
这确实有效,是的。
Now you combine the three, and watch what your dog does.
现在你将这三者结合起来,观察你的狗会做什么。
Right?
正确的?
And then you go and do the same thing with other humans.
然后你去和其他人做同样的事情。
Right?
正确的?
So you create this beautiful trust, respect, love with humans, or connection, communication, relationship.
所以你与人类建立了这种美好的信任、尊重、爱,或者联系、沟通、关系。
You go and create safe, peace, and love environments.
你去创造安全、和平、充满爱的环境。
Horse people are really good about safety, right?
马人真的很注重安全,对吧?
So, the priority in the horse world is not love.
所以,马的世界里优先的不是爱情。
The priority is safety.
首要任务是安全。
So a horse person is going to teach a child, don't scream, no touch, no talk, no eye contact, right?
所以属马的人会教导孩子,不要尖叫,不要触摸,不要说话,不要目光接触,对吗?
So the kid will learn that with a horse, you have to be quiet, calm, and wait until the horse give you the signal.
这样孩子就会知道,和马在一起时,你必须保持安静、冷静,等待马向你发出信号。
And the same person will go and teach the kid with dogs, ask if you can pet him, right?
而同样的人会去教带狗的孩子,问你是否可以抚摸他,对吧?
But because in the horse world, safety is number one, how do you keep a horse calm?
但因为在马的世界里,安全是第一位的,如何让马保持冷静呢?
And you wait.
你等着吧。
And then the horse calm.
然后马就平静了。
How do they walk a horse?
他们如何遛马?
The horse is right next to the human, never in front.
马就在人的旁边,而不是在人的前面。
Right?
正确的?
So you can see a little kid walking a horse.
所以你可以看到一个小孩在骑马。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
And the horse is behind the kid, not in front of the kid.
马在孩子的后面,而不是孩子的前面。
But first is the meeting, and then the third thing is feeding the horse.
但第一件事就是开会,然后第三件事就是喂马。
If the horse is too excited, don't put the hay yet.
如果马太兴奋,就先不要放干草。
Wait until the horse calms down, then the hay goes down.
等到马平静下来,干草就下去了。
The meeting, the walk, and the feeding.
聚会、散步、喂食。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Incredible.
难以置信。
And they're big, so we have this natural respect for them that people don't necessarily have for a dog, but a dog obviously can bite.
它们很大,所以我们对它们有一种自然的尊重,人们不一定对狗有这种尊重,但狗显然会咬人。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But why not have that respect for someone that we say, dog is man best friend?
但为什么不尊重我们所说的“狗是人类最好的朋友”呢?
Yeah.
是的。
The dog has the best titles of all the animals on Earth.
狗拥有地球上所有动物中最好的头衔。
Right?
正确的?
The dog.
狗。
But when it comes to the actions, we don't honor the dog because we want the dog to be a human.
但当谈到行为时,我们并不尊重狗,因为我们希望狗成为人。
We don't respect the dog because we want the dog to be a human.
我们不尊重狗,因为我们希望狗成为人。
When you honor and respect somebody, you honor who they are.
当你尊重某人时,你就是在尊重他们本身。
You respect who they are.
你尊重他们是谁。
You learn about how they are, and that's what you love.
你了解他们是怎样的,这就是你所爱的。
See it?
看到了吗?
You love who they are.
你喜欢他们是谁。
You don't love what you think.
你不喜欢你的想法。
You love who they are.
你喜欢他们是谁。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And you don't try and project that they're somebody else.
而且你不会试图预测他们是其他人。
I think some people, I'm making assumptions here, but some people will hear some of what we're talking about today, and they'll say, "Oh, well, that's how I should become the pack leader.
我想有些人,我在这里做出假设,但有些人会听到我们今天谈论的一些内容,他们会说,“哦,好吧,这就是我应该成为群体领袖的方式。
With people, I should never let anyone walk through a door before me or something." But the point you're trying to make is that human to human is different than animal to human.
与人相处时,我永远不应该让任何人在我之前穿过门或其他东西。”但你想要表达的观点是,人与人之间和动物与人之间是不同的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You don't just transfer the same things.
你不只是转移相同的东西。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Some things transfer, but other things don't.
有些东西会转移,但另一些东西则不会。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I've worked with non-human primates before.
我以前曾与非人类灵长类动物一起工作过。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay.
好的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's interesting.
这很有趣。
A lot of people go to the zoo.
很多人去动物园。
I'm not a big fan of-
我不太喜欢-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct
正确
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
putting large carnivores and primates in zoos.
将大型食肉动物和灵长类动物放入动物园。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'm not.
我不是。
I want to be clear, I have issues with that.
我想澄清一下,我对此有疑问。
But people will smile at the monkey, or they'll go like, "Ee, ee, ee, ee, ee." For a macaque monkey, baring teeth is aggression.
但人们会对猴子微笑,或者他们会说:“呃,呃,呃,呃,呃。”对于猕猴来说,露出牙齿是一种攻击行为。
So a friend of mine, she's an animal behaviorist, and she said, "Oh, no, if you want to do an affiliative behavior with a monkey, you lip smack," which sounds kind of cute and funny, and people go, "Oh." But you could tell somebody that 100 times, and they'll still go, "Ee, ee, ee, ee, ee." It's like we want to project our own understanding of what we think is going on, and even in the presence of knowledge, your dog is going to feel more safe and secure and happy if you come in, no look, no touch, no speak.
我的一个朋友,她是一位动物行为学家,她说,“哦,不,如果你想和猴子做一种亲和行为,你就咂嘴,”这听起来很可爱又有趣,人们会说,“哦。”但你可以告诉某人 100 遍,他们仍然会说,“嚓,嚓,嚓,嚓,嚓。”就像我们想要表达我们自己对我们认为正在发生的事情的理解,即使在知识存在的情况下,如果你进来,不看,不触摸,不说话,你的狗也会感到更加安全和快乐。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
There's something about the human brain where we just want to project, "No, but I want my experience."
关于人类大脑的某些东西,我们只想投射:“不,但我想要我的经验。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's correct.
这是正确的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And it's an incredibly selfish thing.
这是一件非常自私的事情。
It was really the realization for me, it's very selfish of me to come home and want a certain kind of interaction with my pet, Costello, but to put the interaction in the terms that work for me.
这对我来说确实是一种认识,我回到家想要与我的宠物科斯特洛进行某种互动,但要以适合我的方式进行互动,这是非常自私的。
This is the first time I owned a dog.
这是我第一次养狗。
Everyone in my life, for the longest time, I was talking about it since I was a kid, "You're never going to get a dog." I waited until I had the finances, till I had a home.
我生命中的每个人,在很长一段时间里,从我还是个孩子的时候起,就一直在谈论这件事:“你永远不会养狗。”我一直等到我有了经济来源,直到我有了一个家。
I waited.
我等待着。
I am very proud of the fact that I waited.
我为自己的等待感到非常自豪。
I desperately wanted an animal for so long, since I was a little kid.
从我还是个小孩子的时候起,我就一直渴望拥有一只动物。
I had fish and things like that, but I wanted a dog.
我有鱼之类的东西,但我想要一只狗。
I knew at the time when I got him that it was the right time.
当我得到他的时候我就知道现在是正确的时机。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I had to be very careful because I wanted it to go so well that I found myself projecting, what if he doesn't attach?
但我必须非常小心,因为我希望一切顺利,以至于我发现自己在投射,如果他不依恋怎么办?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Hmm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And there was all this stuff, and then I read your book, and I realized if I want this to go really well, I have to get out of my understanding of what I need-
还有所有这些东西,然后我读了你的书,我意识到如果我想让这一切顺利进行,我必须摆脱对我需要什么的理解——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
on my terms-
按照我的条件——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and start thinking about what he needs, and I need-
并开始思考他需要什么,而我需要-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
in his language.
用他的语言。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And it was like this light bulb went off.
就像这个灯泡熄灭了一样。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is really a statement of gratitude that hopefully will be informative for people.
这确实是一份感激之情,希望能为人们提供信息。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Because the human brain just is like, "No, I want to be loved, and so I'm going to do this thing that's actually harming the thing that I say is my fur baby."
因为人类的大脑就像是,“不,我想要被爱,所以我要做这件事,这实际上伤害了我所说的我的毛宝宝。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
No one would ever hurt their fur babies, but they're doing it-
没有人会伤害他们的毛宝宝,但他们却这么做了——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
by projecting human stuff.
通过投射人类的东西。
Anyway, I'm telling you what you already know.
无论如何,我告诉你你已经知道的事情。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I think it's just something that I really want to underscore because people hear affection last, like this is just guys being like, "I'm alpha." No.
但我认为这只是我真正想强调的一点,因为人们最后才听到感情,就像这只是人们说的,“我是阿尔法。”不。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No, that's not it.
不,不是这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's the complete opposite of it.
这是完全相反的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's about respecting the animal.
这是关于尊重动物。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
It's about safe, peace, trust, respect.
这是关于安全、和平、信任、尊重。
Once you have those two pillars, then you bring the love because that's what you want to love.
一旦你拥有了这两个支柱,你就会带来爱,因为这就是你想要爱的。
You want to love the trust and respect.
你想要爱的信任和尊重。
Not because you love people, you trust them.
不是因为你爱别人,而是因为你信任他们。
Not because you love people, you respect them.
不是因为你爱别人,你才尊重他们。
So love has its own energy, its own identity, but you want to love trust.
所以爱有它自己的能量,它自己的身份,但你要爱信任。
You want to love respect.
你想要爱尊重。
That's what you want to love.
这就是你想要爱的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You want to love a place that you feel safe and peace.
您想要热爱一个让您感到安全与平静的地方。
That's what you want to love.
这就是你想要爱的。
That's the land part, right?
那是陆地部分吧?
And then the relation, trust, respect.
然后是关系、信任、尊重。
Then the way you experience the world, body, mind, heart.
然后是你体验世界、身体、头脑、心灵的方式。
Right?
正确的?
So at least those three things, just do it that way.
所以至少这三件事,就这样做吧。
Just put love at the end.
只是把爱放在最后。
It won't hurt you.
它不会伤害你。
It will only make you wiser, right?
它只会让你变得更聪明,对吗?
It will only make you more patient, more calm, and you will see the outcome.
它只会让你更加耐心,更加冷静,你就会看到结果。
The reason why I said no touch, no talk, no eye contact is because if you want to touch a back-of-the-pack dog, he's going to run away.
我之所以说不要触摸、不要说话、不要目光接触,是因为如果你想碰一只落后的狗,它就会逃跑。
If you give eye contact to a front-of-the-pack dog, it's exactly what the monkey's-- It means fight when you're looking at somebody.
如果你对一只走在队伍前面的狗进行目光接触,这正是猴子的眼神接触——当你看着某人时,这意味着打架。
"I want to touch him," right?
“我想触碰他,”对吗?
And then when you talk to a middle-of-the-pack, you're going to get him very excited So if you practice no touch, no talk, no eye contact to any position of the pack, what you're going to allow is nose, eyes, ears to come to you.
然后,当你与狼群中间的人交谈时,你会让他非常兴奋,所以如果你练习不触摸、不说话、不与狼群的任何位置进行目光接触,你就会允许鼻子、眼睛、耳朵来找你。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So you're going to create the law of attraction.
所以你要创造吸引力法则。
The dog is going to come to your smell, and then he's going to assess and evaluate, can I trust?
狗会来闻你的气味,然后他会评估再评估,我可以相信吗?
Can I respect?
我可以尊重吗?
Do I feel safe?
我感到安全吗?
Are you a peaceful human?
你是一个爱好和平的人吗?
That's what you want them to know about you.
这就是您希望他们了解您的信息。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That you can be trusted, that you can be respected, that you can be a safe source, a peaceful source.
你可以被信任,你可以被尊重,你可以成为一个安全的来源,一个和平的来源。
Then, once the dog okay, yeah, you have that, then the dog is going to sit right next to you, he's going to do this, or he's just going to relax.
然后,一旦狗好了,是的,你做到了,那么狗就会坐在你旁边,他会这样做,或者他只是会放松。
As soon as he gives you that, that's when you give love.
一旦他给了你,那就是你给予爱的时候。
So there's nothing wrong if you wait a little bit.
所以只要稍等一下就没有什么问题。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
There's nothing wrong.
没有什么问题。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You're just following the steps.
你只要按照步骤操作就可以了。
You are the one who's being disciplined.
你是受到纪律处分的人。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
To be a good leader, you have to be a good follower.
要成为一个好的领导者,你必须成为一个好的追随者。
So you have to understand the power of calm surrender.
所以你必须了解冷静投降的力量。
You have to understand the power of patience.
你必须了解耐心的力量。
If you don't understand that, you're going to be a terrible leader.
如果你不明白这一点,你将成为一个糟糕的领导者。
So I'm not telling people be a pack leader just because you're the dog owner.
所以我不会仅仅因为你是狗的主人就告诉人们成为狗群的领导者。
No, no, no. I'm telling you what it requires to be a pack leader.
不,不,不。我正在告诉你成为一个族群领袖需要什么。
The highest level of patience, the highest level of calmness, highest level of confidence, and then knowing when to give love and know when to celebrate.
最高水平的耐心,最高水平的冷静,最高水平的自信,然后知道什么时候给予爱,知道什么时候庆祝。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Love, joy, it's a celebration energy.
爱、欢乐,这是一种庆祝的能量。
This one is direction, protection.
这是方向,是保护。
What do we want of our pack leaders, like politicians?
我们对政治家等群体领袖有何要求?
We want to have an America that feels safe, peace.
我们希望拥有一个感到安全、和平的美国。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
We want to have a Mexico that feels safe, peace.
我们希望墨西哥感到安全、和平。
We want to have an Argentina that feels safe, peace.
我们希望阿根廷感到安全、和平。
We want to have a Colombia that feels safe, peace.
我们希望哥伦比亚感到安全、和平。
We want to have a Venezuela that feels safe, peace.
我们希望委内瑞拉感到安全、和平。
Otherwise, we can't feel the love.
不然的话,我们就感受不到爱。
We want to have somebody that we trust and respect so we can love them, right?
我们希望有一个值得我们信任和尊重的人,这样我们就可以爱他们,对吗?
That's what we want, it's our instinct to want this.
这就是我们想要的,这是我们想要这个的本能。
It's our spirit to want this.
这是我们的精神所希望的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
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Function 不仅提供对您身心健康至关重要的 160 多种生物标记物的测试,还分析这些结果并提供顶级医生改善您健康的建议。
For example, in a recent test with Function, I learned that some of my blood lipids were slightly out of range.
例如,在最近的一次 Function 测试中,我发现我的一些血脂稍微超出了范围。
As a result, I decided to start supplementing with nattokinase, which can naturally help reduce LDL cholesterol.
因此,我决定开始补充纳豆激酶,它自然可以帮助降低低密度脂蛋白胆固醇。
And it did.
确实如此。
In a follow-up test, I could confirm that this strategy worked.
在后续测试中,我可以确认这个策略是有效的。
My blood lipids are now back exactly where I want them.
我的血脂现在完全回到了我想要的水平。
Comprehensive lab testing of the sort that Function offers is just so important for health.
Function 提供的全面实验室测试对于健康非常重要。
I mean, how else are you going to know what's going on under the hood?
我的意思是,你还怎么知道幕后发生了什么?
And while I've been doing blood work for years, it used to be time-consuming, complicated, and expensive.
虽然我从事血液检查已有多年,但它过去非常耗时、复杂且昂贵。
In fact, I used to spend thousands of dollars per year trying to get this kind of data, and the data, frankly, were not all that good.
事实上,我曾经每年花费数千美元试图获得此类数据,但坦率地说,这些数据并不那么好。
But now with Function, it's extremely easy and affordable.
但现在有了 Function,它变得非常简单且经济实惠。
A Function membership is only a dollar a day, $365 a year.
Function 会员每天仅需 1 美元,每年 365 美元。
And if you think about the information it provides, and the health challenges it helps you avoid, and the proactive things that it can do for you to enhance your health, I truly look at it as a savings.
如果您考虑一下它提供的信息,它可以帮助您避免的健康挑战,以及它可以为您增强健康所做的积极主动的事情,我确实将其视为一种节省。
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要了解更多信息,请访问 functionhealth.com/huberman 并使用代码 Huberman 获得 50 美元的会员积分。
Again, that's functionhealth.com/huberman.
同样,这是 functionhealth.com/huberman。
These days, most leaders of countries seem to get there by projecting the most confidence that nothing can phase them.
如今,大多数国家的领导人似乎都表现出最大的信心,认为没有什么可以改变他们的目标。
That seems to be the competition-
看来这就是竞争——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
on both sides of the political aisle.
政治路线的两边。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, yeah.
是啊,是啊。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's like who is more certain of the statement they're making?
就像谁对他们所做的陈述更有把握?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And this just seems to be the thing we select for-
这似乎就是我们选择的目的——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
not the traits you're describing.
不是你所描述的特征。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No.
不。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Got my theories as to why that's so, but I think we can all look around and see how that's going.
我有关于为什么会这样的理论,但我认为我们都可以环顾四周,看看这是怎么回事。
I just got back from-
我刚从-回来
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And we can learn a lot from animals, right?
我们可以从动物身上学到很多东西,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I think all leaders should show us themselves with a pack of dogs so we can assess and evaluate their energy well.
我认为所有的领导者都应该向我们展示自己的一群狗,这样我们就可以很好地评估和评价他们的能量。
Because they say the philosophy we want to hear, right?
因为他们说的是我们想听的哲学,对吗?
They always talk great about the intellectual part people want to hear.
他们总是谈论人们想听的知识部分。
But then the energy and then the actions, that's what we end up seeing at the end, right?
但接下来是能量,然后是行动,这就是我们最终看到的,对吗?
Look at Mexico.
看看墨西哥。
We always, oh, a woman president.
哦,我们总是一位女总统。
Mexico is going to be well taken care of.
墨西哥将得到很好的照顾。
Same.
相同的。
No safe, no peace, no trust, no respect.
没有安全,没有和平,没有信任,没有尊重。
It's the same.
是一样的。
It's a continuation of the same philosophy, but they all say great things.
这是同一哲学的延续,但他们都说了很棒的事情。
You see what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗?
I don't lie to dogs.
我不会对狗撒谎。
I say, "Listen, I'm going to bring you back your silence, your calmness, your surrender.
我说:“听着,我会让你恢复沉默、平静和臣服。
That's my contribution to you because you humans made you fight flight avoidance." And boom.
这是我对你们的贡献,因为你们人类让你们与逃避行为作斗争。”繁荣。
I don't say nothing to the dog.
我什么也没对狗说。
I just feel it, and I do it.
我只是感觉到了,我就这么做了。
I skip the saying because they don't care about what I say.
我跳过这句话,因为他们不在乎我说的话。
They care about what I feel and what I do.
他们关心我的感受和我所做的事情。
The human cares about what you say.
人类关心你所说的话。
So you can just brainwash the human all you want, lie to the human, and the human will vote.
所以你可以随心所欲地给人类洗脑,对人类撒谎,然后人类就会投票。
We're the only species that follow unstable leaders.
我们是唯一追随不稳定领导者的物种。
There is no species that will vote for somebody that has unstable energy to begin with.
没有哪个物种会投票给那些能量不稳定的人。
They can care less what they saying.
他们不在乎自己说什么。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I watched that series on Netflix, "Chimp Empire." It's fascinating.
我在 Netflix 上观看了这部连续剧《黑猩猩帝国》。这很有趣。
It's very hierarchical-
很有层次感——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
troops.
部队。
And the alpha occasionally will feel like he's losing some control over his troop.
阿尔法有时会觉得他失去了对部队的控制。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he'll go on these displays where he starts breaking trees-
他会继续这些表演,在那里他开始砍伐树木-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and beating his chest.
并捶打他的胸口。
And they look a lot more like humans.
而且它们看起来更像人类。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Humans look a lot more like them.
人类看起来更像他们。
But I saw an interview with Jane Goodall.
但我看到了珍·古道尔的采访。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I do.
我愿意。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You've probably seen this-
你可能已经看过这个——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
where they said, "What is your favorite thing about them?"
他们问:“你最喜欢他们的什么?”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Your favorite species.
你最喜欢的物种。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And she says, "No, dogs are my favorite species."
她说:“不,狗是我最喜欢的物种。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You can really trust them.
你真的可以信任他们。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
All right.
好吧。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The chimps-
黑猩猩——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Are like humans
就像人类一样
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
they're way too much like us.
他们太像我们了。
They lie, they cheat.
他们撒谎,他们欺骗。
If you watch "Chimp Empire," brace yourself for-
如果你看《黑猩猩帝国》,请做好准备——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
when they decide they're going to ostracize a member of their group.
当他们决定要排斥小组中的某个成员时。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's rough.
这很粗糙。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They make them suffer an extended ...
他们让他们遭受长期的痛苦...
punishment.
惩罚。
It's brutal.
太残酷了。
And that's the primate brain.
这就是灵长类动物的大脑。
Sadly, humans were-
可悲的是,人类——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
supposed to move beyond that.
应该超越这一点。
That's our role.
这就是我们的角色。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'm making the assumption that some people either have a dog, or they're thinking about getting one.
我假设有些人要么养狗,要么正在考虑养一只。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Preparing oneself for every interaction sounds like the thing to do until it becomes reflexive.
为每次互动做好准备听起来像是必须做的事情,直到它成为条件反射。
It's a lot of work.
这是很多工作。
You describe a brief prayer at the door-
你在门口描述了一个简短的祈祷——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm
毫米
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
setting intention.
设定意图。
I think that's awesome.
我觉得那太棒了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Good habit.
好习惯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Waking up in the morning.
早上醒来。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I will say hello to Strummer.
我会向斯特鲁默问好。
I take care of myself first.
我先照顾好自己。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Move about.
走动一下。
If he has to use the bathroom or something-
如果他必须使用卫生间或其他什么地方——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
I'd let him out right away, but-
我会立刻放他出去,但是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Of course
当然
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
he waits, and then he gets up, and we do our thing.
他等待,然后站起来,我们就做我们的事。
But the temptation to walk over there and just, he's sleepy, he's a bulldog, he's calm, and to just grr, because I love him.
但走到那里的诱惑只是,他很困,他是一只斗牛犬,他很平静,只是咕噜咕噜,因为我爱他。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
My heart fills when I walk in the room with him.
当我和他一起走进房间时,我的心充满了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I think this is the thing that a lot of people are challenged with.
我想这是很多人都面临的挑战。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So, for me, temporarily breaking down my notion of cuteness was very important.
所以,对于我来说,暂时打破可爱的观念是非常重要的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He doesn't understand cute.
他不懂可爱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He has no concept of cute.
他对可爱没有概念。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He only understands what he understands.
他只明白他所明白的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'm the one projecting, but he's like, I want to cuddle him, and I want to play with him.
我是那个投射的人,但他就像,我想拥抱他,我想和他一起玩。
I confess this is easier for me to do now that I've done it with one dog before.
我承认这对我来说更容易做到,因为我之前已经对一只狗做过了。
It's much harder for my girlfriend to do.
这对我女朋友来说就更难了。
She's like, she gets pulled in.
她就像,她被拉进去了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
We joke, "You caved to love," we joke.
我们开玩笑说,“你屈服于爱情,”我们开玩笑。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's like we cave to our own feelings of love.
这就像我们屈服于自己的爱的感觉。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it can damage the safety and the general pack order.
但它可能会损害安全性和一般包装顺序。
And then people think, oh, pack order sounds like not love.
然后人们会想,哦,打包订单听起来不像是爱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Could you elaborate a little bit on why it's so important to stay in the frame of we're really asking humans to think more like dogs, but to behave in a way that is somewhere in between.
您能否详细说明一下为什么保持在这样的框架中如此重要:我们实际上要求人类更像狗一样思考,但以介于两者之间的方式行事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
80% of my clients are women.
我 80% 的客户是女性。
80%.
80%。
When I go to their home, because I like to assess and evaluate the dynamics inside the house, the dog is in the front, wife is number two, kids are number three, husband is in the back.
当我去他们家的时候,因为我喜欢评估和评估房子里的动态,所以狗在前面,妻子在第二,孩子在第三,丈夫在后面。
Back of the pack.
包装背面。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is in the United States.
这是在美国。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
The United States.
美国。
So, why the dog is in the front?
那么,为什么狗在前面呢?
She puts him there.
她把他放在那里。
Why?
为什么?
Because she only practice affection.
因为她只修行感情。
And why the husband is in the back?
还有为什么老公在后面呢?
Because she practice rules, boundaries, limitations with him.
因为她和他一起实践规则、界限和限制。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So, look, she is capable to practice leadership, but she practices it with the wrong member in the house.
所以,你看,她有能力实践领导力,但她在家里与错误的成员一起实践。
The dog needs the leadership, right?
狗需要领导,对吗?
Because why did they call me?
因为他们为什么打电话给我?
Because now the dog doesn't-- the kids can't walk him.
因为现在狗不再——孩子们不能遛他了。
The friend's kids can't come to the house.
朋友的孩子不能来家里。
The dog steals food, right?
狗偷食物,对吗?
Or the dog barks at the neighbors, right?
或者狗对邻居吠叫,对吗?
They don't have the ideal life that they chose, or they thought they were going to have by having this Labradoodle.
他们没有拥有自己选择的理想生活,或者他们认为拥有这只拉布拉多犬就能过上理想的生活。
This should be the easiest one, right?
这应该是最简单的吧?
Because those two breeds are practically the epitome of most docile breed.
因为这两个品种实际上是最温顺品种的缩影。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I know.
我知道。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I tell the Labradoodle people, try raising a bulldog mastiff-
我告诉拉布拉多人,尝试养一只斗牛犬獒——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
from eight weeks on.
从八周开始。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You'll learn a lot about yourself.
你会学到很多关于你自己的知识。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's a different strength.
这是一种不同的强度。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So this breed should be easier.
所以这个品种应该更容易。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because it's designed to be easier.
因为它的设计目的是为了更容易。
But because they only practice affection first, only affection, the dog end up going in front of the pack.
但因为它们首先只练习情感,只是情感,所以狗最终走在了群体的前面。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So this is what happens when people wants to practice affection first, or when they prioritize affection to the dog.
因此,当人们想要首先表达爱意,或者当他们优先考虑对狗的爱意时,就会发生这种情况。
But to the rest of the pack, it's very clear for me that she practice rules, boundaries, limitations to the husband.
但对于其他人来说,我很清楚她对丈夫实行规则、界限和限制。
He has to do whatever she said.
他必须按她说的去做。
But the dog doesn't do whatever she says.
但狗不听她的话。
You see?
你看?
So that, we have to change.
所以,我们必须改变。
We have to help people to understand, it's not that love is bad, it's just where are you giving love to?
我们必须帮助人们理解,并不是爱不好,而是你把爱奉献给了哪里?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'm so happy you're raising this.
我很高兴你提出这个问题。
I think some people will say, well, she has to treat the husband basically like a child because he's playing video games.
我想有些人会说,好吧,她必须像对待孩子一样对待丈夫,因为他在玩电子游戏。
I'm making the assumption here that we don't know what the dynamics are between the husband and the wife.
我在这里假设我们不知道丈夫和妻子之间的动态。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I have a lot of married couple friends where it seems very balanced.
我有很多已婚朋友,看起来很平衡。
I don't know what happens when I'm not there, obviously.
显然,我不知道当我不在场时会发生什么。
But I know some where, yes, indeed, there's some infantilization of the male.
但我知道在某些地方,是的,确实存在一些男性的幼稚化。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But he does that to himself, too.
但他也对自己这样做。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay.
好的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He's behaving like a kid.
他的行为就像个孩子。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Or I also have seen very balanced, and I've seen where it's a bit more of the structure I grew up in, at least for the early part of my life.
或者我也看到了非常平衡的情况,我看到了它更像是我成长过程中的结构,至少在我生命的早期是这样。
Maybe it's because my father's from South America.
也许是因为我父亲来自南美。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But until my parents split, it was like my dad was the dad-
但在我父母离婚之前,我的父亲就是我的父亲——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and then it was my mom-
然后是我妈妈-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and then there was the kids-
然后还有孩子们——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and sadly, we didn't have a dog.
遗憾的是,我们没有狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But things are very different nowadays.
但如今情况已大不相同。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right?
对吗?
And so I'm trying to remove any assumptions that the dynamic between the husband and wife are that way solely because of one or the other.
因此,我试图消除任何假设,即丈夫和妻子之间的动态仅仅是因为其中之一。
There's an agreement there.
那里有一个协议。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
There's always an agreement.
总有一个协议。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right?
对吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The agreement is that he surrender.
协议是他投降。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
That's the agreement.
这就是协议。
At one point, you don't want fight, flight, or avoidance, so the guy end up surrendering.
在某一时刻,你不想战斗、逃跑或躲避,所以那家伙最终投降了。
But the dog didn't.
但狗没有。
The dog took over.
狗接手了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And you also don't want so domineering that she's in flight, flight surrender either.
而且你也不希望她这么霸道,让她逃跑,逃跑投降。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
We don't want that.
我们不希望这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
That exists, too, and that's bad also.
这种情况也存在,而且也很糟糕。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
My relationship now with a woman is I have a good instinctual relationship.
我现在和一个女人的关系是我有很好的本能关系。
Because my masculine energy is the one who gives direction, protection.
因为我的男性能量是给予方向和保护的能量。
When before, I used to follow this concept of happy wife, happy life, and it's how can I make her happy?
以前,我一直遵循着幸福妻子、幸福生活的理念,但我怎样才能让她幸福呢?
She has to make herself happy.
她必须让自己幸福。
So I end up surrendering to everything she wanted.
所以我最终屈服于她想要的一切。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And so this concept of happy wife, happy life didn't work for me.
所以这种幸福妻子、幸福生活的概念对我来说不起作用。
Right?
正确的?
And so I just went back into, okay, I'm just going to become confident and attract a woman that wants to be surrendered to this ...
所以我就回到了,好吧,我只是要变得自信并吸引一个想要屈服于此的女人......
area, which is the instinctual area.
区域,也就是本能区域。
Spiritually, we're the same.
在精神上,我们是一样的。
Emotionally, we're the same.
在情感上,我们是一样的。
Financially, we're the same.
在经济上,我们是一样的。
But instinctually, that's the part that I couldn't just not be masculine, right, or calm, confident.
但本能地,这就是我不能不阳刚、正确、冷静、自信的地方。
I just couldn't.
我就是做不到。
I just couldn't.
我就是做不到。
And it works beautiful now.
现在效果很好。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh, it sounds like you've hit the bullseye-
噢,听起来你已经击中了靶心——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
there.
那里。
Actually, since we're talking about human relationships, I have a friend, he has a very happy, very successful marriage, in the real sense.
其实说到人际关系,我有一个朋友,他有一段非常幸福、非常成功的婚姻,真正意义上的。
That you walk into their home, they have a couple of kids.
当你走进他们的家时,他们有几个孩子。
One of them has some special needs, but they're managing that well.
其中一位有一些特殊需求,但他们处理得很好。
The home is very balanced.
家里非常平衡。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They seem very, very happy.
他们看起来非常非常高兴。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he was giving advice to some other guys, and he said, "Among the women that would be good partners for you-
他正在给其他一些人提供建议,他说,“在那些会成为你的好伴侣的女性中——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
you have to make a decision about how much you want somebody who's going to give you instructions-
你必须决定你有多想要有人给你指示——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
versus leave you alone, versus wants some direction."
而不是让你一个人呆着,而不是想要一些方向。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It was a very edgy thing to say at the time.
这在当时是一件非常尖锐的事情。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Now we can have these kinds of conversations.
现在我们可以进行此类对话。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, finally.
是的,终于。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
And it was very interesting.
这非常有趣。
There were three other guys at the table, none of whom are married, including me, and we each had different answers to that question.
桌上还有另外三个人,包括我在内,都没有结婚,我们每个人对这个问题都有不同的答案。
One said, "Yeah, I want somebody that I can like really be in, like kind of-
其中一个说,“是的,我想要一个我真正喜欢的人,就像——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
wants to be led."
想要被领导。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Not subservient, obviously respect and kindness-
不卑不亢,明显是尊重和善意——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
all that.
所有这些。
But the other one, he said, "No, I want someone who's really going to keep me in line."
但他说,“不,我想要一个真正能让我遵守规矩的人。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I was very shocked.
我非常震惊。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I was like, "This is incredible." But he was being honest.
我当时想,“这太不可思议了。”但他是诚实的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He wanted someone who was basically going to keep him out of his childlike nature-
他想要一个基本上能让他摆脱孩子气的人——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay
好的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
when the childlike nature wasn't going to help-
当孩子般的天性无济于事时——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
keep the structure of the home.
保持房屋的结构。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I think it's a very important thing, this notion of, we don't have good words for this to keep us off of the barbed wire.
我认为这是一件非常重要的事情,我们没有什么好话来形容这一点,让我们远离铁丝网。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Like we hear dominance, hierarchy-
就像我们听到的统治、等级制度一样——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and it sounds like control.
听起来像是控制。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It sounds like subservience.
听起来像是屈从。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It gets into notions of all sorts of things.
它涉及各种事物的概念。
But this is a fundamental aspect of the human spirit.
但这是人类精神的一个基本方面。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's the instinctual part.
这是本能的部分。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Like I said, we can both love God at the same level, we can love, love at the same level, and we can all develop our intelligence at the same level.
就像我说的,我们都可以在同一水平上爱上帝,我们可以在同一水平上爱、爱,我们都可以在同一水平上发展我们的智力。
But when it comes to instincts, that's the only area in my life that I know that my calm confidence is going to lead my pack, right?
但说到本能,这是我生命中唯一知道我的冷静自信将引领我的领域,对吧?
Because that's what I do with dogs.
因为这就是我对狗所做的事情。
That's practically it.
实际上就是这样。
I walk a pack of dogs, so they all got to go into a calm surrender state.
我遛一群狗,所以它们都必须进入平静的投降状态。
And so in my house, I wanted the same thing because I want her to feel safe peace.
所以在我的家里,我也想要同样的东西,因为我希望她感到安全和平静。
I want her to trust, respect.
我希望她信任、尊重。
I wanted her to love that about me.
我希望她喜欢我的这一点。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But I have to be that man that has a high level of patience, high level of calmness, high level of confidence, high level of love, and I need to earn that position.
但我必须成为那个有高度耐心、高度冷静、高度自信、高度爱的人,我需要赢得那个位置。
I don't just want it, I earned it.
我不只是想要它,而是我赢得了它。
But I need to have a woman that understands that that's what I'm looking for, right?
但我需要一个女人明白这就是我正在寻找的,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Instinctually, not in the mind, not in the heart, so it's temporary.
本能地,不在头脑中,不在心里,所以它是暂时的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No, this is permanently.
不,这是永久的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Your instincts.
你的直觉。
And I will provide safe peace.
我将提供安全的和平。
I will be a peaceful man, a safe man to be with, a trustworthy man, a respectful man, a loving man, right?
我会成为一个和平的人,一个安全的人,一个值得信赖的人,一个尊重的人,一个有爱心的人,对吗?
A smart man.
一个聪明人。
I will always work on having good energy and only follow good philosophy and only doing good actions because I want that position.
我将始终努力拥有良好的能量,只遵循良好的理念,只做良好的行动,因为我想要那个位置。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Did you take some time before your current relationship after your divorce to sort of feel into this and think about how you were going to be that?
离婚后,在你们现在的关系之前,你是否花了一些时间来感受这一点并思考你将如何成为那样?
Or, is this something that you decided to evolve as it goes along?
或者,这是您决定随着它的发展而发展的吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I realized that I was picking the wrong woman, right?
我意识到我选错了女人,对吗?
I couldn't understand why I can pick a dog and make it the perfect dog.
我不明白为什么我可以挑选一只狗并使其成为完美的狗。
I can pick a perfect dog for you, like I can go pick a...
我可以为你挑选一只完美的狗,就像我可以去挑选一只......
I couldn't pick up the perfect woman for me.
我无法找到最适合我的女人。
I just want the one for me.
我只想要一个适合我的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
What I think is perfect for me.
我认为对我来说是完美的。
And so I had trouble because I had the wrong philosophy inside my head, what a man should do or what a woman should do.
所以我遇到了麻烦,因为我脑子里有错误的哲学,男人应该做什么或女人应该做什么。
It was the wrong philosophy, period, right?
这是错误的哲学,时期,对吗?
Once I changed the philosophy, and then I went, "Okay, I need to find a woman with this spirit, with this instinct, with this heart, and with this mind." So I was more clear.
一旦我改变了哲学,然后我就说:“好吧,我需要找到一个有这种精神、有这种本能、有这种心、有这种头脑的女人。”所以我就更清楚了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Okay, now I know what I'm looking for, right?
好吧,现在我知道我在寻找什么了,对吗?
And she's a pack leader, but not in the house.
她是狼群首领,但不在家里。
She's a pack leader.
她是一个群体的领导者。
She has three restaurants.
她拥有三间餐厅。
She has a lot of money, right?
她有很多钱,对吗?
But she earned it.
但她赢得了。
She did it on her own, right?
她是自己做的吧?
And that was it.
就是这样。
She came, said, "I just want to give you my calm surrender." I said, "That's all I want from a woman," to have a beautiful relationship.
她走过来说:“我只是想向你平静地投降。”我说,“这就是我对女人的全部期望”,拥有一段美好的关系。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So she knew that she wanted to be in the role that she currently is-
所以她知道她想扮演现在的角色——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
also.
也。
There was a-
有一个——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
a knowledge of self going into it.
对自我的了解。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, because when she's doing her business, she has to be a pack leader.
是的,因为当她做自己的事情时,她必须成为一个群体的领导者。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They get tired of being pack leaders.
他们厌倦了担任狼群首领。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
They just get tired of like, "I don't want to give direction and protection 24/7, even at home." So at home, she just wanted somebody to give her safe peace, trust, respect, calm, surrender.
他们只是厌倦了“我不想 24/7 提供指导和保护,即使是在家里。”所以在家里,她只希望有人给她安全的平安、信任、尊重、平静、臣服。
She needed to connect to her instincts-
她需要结合自己的直觉——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
right?
对吗?
It was important.
这很重要。
Because she connects to God, so she's calm surrender to God, right?
因为她与上帝相连,所以她平静地臣服于上帝,对吗?
So she's calm surrender to the business, but she needed to be calm surrender to a man, but it has to be the right man.
所以她要冷静的臣服于事业,但她需要冷静的臣服于一个男人,但必须是对的男人。
So I was the right man at that time, right?
所以我当时就是合适的人选,对吗?
Because I earned the position.
因为这个职位是我赢得的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Machismo is you're not earning the position.
大男子主义是你没有赢得这个职位。
You're just a man and da, da, da.
你只是一个男人,哒,哒,哒。
No. When you're a good pack leader, you earn the position.
不。当你是一名优秀的族群领袖时,你就赢得了这个职位。
You know who you are.
你知道你是谁。
You value who you are, and that's what you love.
你珍视自己,这就是你所爱的。
Self-knowledge, self-value, self-love.
自我认识、自我价值、自爱。
So I did my rehabilitation-
所以我做了我的康复-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
for me because even though my grandparent and my father taught me well about animals, they didn't taught me well about women.
对我来说,因为尽管我的祖父母和父亲很好地教了我有关动物的知识,但他们并没有很好地教我有关女性的知识。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They say, "You make money, and you get whatever you want." That was it.
他们说:“你赚钱了,你就能得到你想要的任何东西。”就是这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah, that's incomplete.
是的,那是不完整的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's like-
这就像——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Incomplete
不完整
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
how do I assess and evaluate if-
我如何评估和评估如果-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
that's the right woman?
那是对的女人吗?
How do I do?
我该怎么办?
How do I make sure I do good connection, communication, relationship?
我如何确保我有良好的联系、沟通、关系?
Everything I teach with a dog, how can I achieve it with my same species?
我教给狗的一切,我怎么能用我的同类来实现呢?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
But I didn't receive information.
但我没有收到信息。
I was just given a project.
我刚刚接到一个项目。
And I accomplished it.
我做到了。
I became money, fame, power, and I just went and grabbed whatever was available.
我变成了金钱、名誉、权力,我只是去抓住一切能得到的东西。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Well, I can certainly say, I'll just be direct.
好吧,我当然可以说,我会直接说。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, please.
是的,请。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Why Tapped In?
为什么要介入?
I think my parents split because of a power struggle about roles and power.
我认为我父母的分裂是因为角色和权力的权力斗争。
And my father's from a Latin country, my mother's not, but irrespective of that-
我父亲来自拉丁国家,我母亲不是,但不管怎样——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
it didn't matter.
没关系。
I used to think that was the reason, but it was...
我以前也以为是这个原因,但是……
Now, fortunately, they both remarried.
现在,幸运的是,他们都再婚了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They've been remarried for a very long time, very happily-
他们已经再婚很久了,非常幸福——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
to their new partner.
给他们的新伙伴。
And my sister and I always say they're like with their perfect fit.
我和我姐姐总是说她们非常合身。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It just works.
它就是有效的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Because of exactly what you're describing, these dynamics.
正是因为你所描述的,这些动态。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I think, I didn't say it, but I saw online at some point, someone said, "The way you destroy a country is to get the men and women to hate each other."
我想,我没有说出来,但我在网上某个时候看到,有人说,“摧毁一个国家的方式就是让男人和女人互相仇恨。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And we see that a lot now.
我们现在经常看到这样的情况。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I like to think maybe things are improving a little bit, but so much of what we see because of anger at leaders, frustration with social dynamics, and belief about what people can and can't become, all of this stuff has led to this place of a ton of distrust.
我喜欢认为也许事情正在有所改善,但我们所看到的很多事情是由于对领导者的愤怒、对社会动态的沮丧以及对人们能做什么和不能做什么的信念,所有这些都导致了这个地方的大量不信任。
But the power structure is all messed up.
但权力结构却一团糟。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
They fight, flight, avoid each other, right?
他们战斗、逃跑、躲避对方,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But they say they love each other.
但他们说他们彼此相爱。
So-
所以——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And they still, because there's an instinct there, they still de- desire each other, right?
他们仍然,因为那里有一种本能,他们仍然渴望对方,对吧?
Men and women are still seeking to be together, but you hear the, "All the guys are like kids," and you hear the, "All the women are, they want something that can't be achieved in this common thing." And-
男人和女人仍然在寻求在一起,但你会听到,“所有的男人都像孩子一样”,你会听到,“所有的女人都像孩子一样,他们想要一些在这个共同的事情中无法实现的东西。”还有——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Confusion
混乱
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah, a lot of confusion.
是的,很多混乱。
And of course, I know some very happy couples-
当然,我认识一些非常幸福的夫妻——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
where they've worked it out.
他们已经解决了的地方。
But the roles in those couples seem very, it's like they're being themselves-
但那些情侣中的角色看起来非常,就像他们在做自己一样——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and it just works.
它确实有效。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I just don't want to think about it.
我只是不想去想它。
I just want to feel it.
我只是想感受一下。
I just want my spirit, my instinct, and my heart, and I know what I got to do anyway.
我只想要我的精神、我的本能和我的心,而且我知道无论如何我必须做什么。
I'm 56.
我56岁了。
I know what I got to do.
我知道我必须做什么。
But I just don't want to have a fight-flight avoidance at home.
但我只是不想在家里出现战斗和逃跑的情况。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
I just don't want to have that ever.
我只是不想再这样了。
So it's very clear to me that what I'm looking for is exactly what everybody looks for in a relationship, human, dog.
所以我很清楚,我所寻找的正是每个人在关系中所寻找的,无论是人类还是狗。
Safe, peace, love, trust, respect, love.
安全、和平、爱、信任、尊重、爱。
Body, mind, heart.
身体、思想、心灵。
Exercise, discipline, affection.
锻炼、纪律、感情。
Follow, play, explore.
跟随、玩耍、探索。
Everybody wants the same thing.
每个人都想要同样的东西。
They just do it with a different species.
他们只是用不同的物种来做这件事。
I want to be able to do it with a different species and my own species.
我希望能够用不同的物种和我自己的物种来做到这一点。
And I'm the happiest I ever been, right?
我是有史以来最幸福的,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
You breathe and exude happiness.
你呼吸并散发出幸福。
I have to say, it's real.
我不得不说,这是真的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's-
这是——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's tangible
这是有形的
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
it's amazing because I was already happy with my goal in life.
这太神奇了,因为我已经对自己的人生目标感到满意了。
My dream was to become the best dog trainer in the world, and I became the dog whisperer.
我的梦想是成为世界上最好的训狗师,而我成为了狗语者。
So I train humans.
所以我训练人类。
I don't train dogs.
我不训练狗。
So this dream was bigger than what I thought.
所以这个梦想比我想象的要大。
But then I couldn't have a good relationship with a woman, which it was fascinating to me at that time why I have fight-flight avoidance, why I don't have calm surrender, happy-go-lucky, calm, confident.
但后来我却无法和一个女人建立良好的关系,这让我当时很着迷,为什么我会逃避战斗,为什么我没有冷静的投降,随遇而安,冷静,自信。
Why don't?
为什么不呢?
I'm not saying my woman is not calm confident towards me.
我并不是说我的女人对我不冷静自信。
If I'm wrong, and then yeah, she can give direction protection, but if I'm not, there's no need.
如果我错了,那么是的,她可以提供方向保护,但如果我没有错,那就没有必要了。
So that makes me a very consistent man with my role.
所以这让我成为一个对自己的角色非常坚定的人。
That's it.
就是这样。
I keep my peace.
我保持平静。
I keep my patience, my calmness, my confidence, my love, every single day of my life.
我在生命的每一天都保持着耐心、冷静、自信、爱。
I don't miss one day, even if I don't feel good.
我不会错过任何一天,即使我感觉不太好。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
Internally, I'm 100.
在内心深处,我已经100岁了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Because with people, it only takes once to be on the receiving end of an outburst to just, there's always that little asterisk going forward.
因为对于人来说,只需要一次,就会受到爆发的影响,然后,总会有那个小星号继续前进。
I share with you the deep desire, and fortunately, I have it now, to not have fight or flight at home.
我与你们分享深切的愿望,幸运的是,我现在有了这个愿望,不想在家里发生战斗或逃跑。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Or from a dog either.
或者来自狗。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Or from a dog either.
或者来自狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That would be scary.
那会很可怕。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Exactly.
正是如此。
So I'm guessing that the home you grew up in had a fair amount of fight or flight, otherwise maybe that wouldn't be-
所以我猜你长大的家里有过相当多的战斗或逃跑,否则也许不会是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It was very machismo.
非常有男子气概。
My parents still live married.
我的父母仍然结婚。
But that's all.
但仅此而已。
It was this way or that's it.
原来是这样或者那样。
So it was definitely a more like sadness because my mom was not allowed to do her own self.
所以这绝对更像是悲伤,因为我妈妈不被允许做自己的事情。
And so that's obviously not healthy for the dream of a woman.
所以这对于女人的梦想来说显然是不健康的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So she has to just be a mom and stay at home, and it was hard for her.
所以她只能当妈妈,呆在家里,这对她来说很难。
Yeah.
是的。
But that's all I saw.
但这就是我所看到的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
When my dad would discipline, would discipline with anger, and when my mom would discipline, would discipline with guilt.
当我父亲管教时,我会带着愤怒来管教;当我妈妈管教时,我会带着愧疚来管教。
And that was it, but it worked a little bit.
就是这样,但还是有点作用。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Then I come to America, and there's, "Ah, this is a completely different way of looking at things." You can work on your energy, you can work on your philosophy, you can work on your actions, and then you can become just as good as you are with a dog.
然后我来到美国,“啊,这是一种完全不同的看待事物的方式。”你可以努力你的能量,你可以努力你的哲学,你可以努力你的行动,然后你就可以变得和养狗一样好。
Because I have an incredible relationship with dogs.
因为我和狗有着不可思议的关系。
And an incredible relationship with God because he definitely allowed me to become what I dream about.
与上帝有着令人难以置信的关系,因为他确实让我成为了我梦想的人。
And I came and did it in a different country.
我来到另一个国家并做了这件事。
I have to learn a different language.
我必须学习一种不同的语言。
And then I went all over the world.
然后我就走遍了世界各地。
That was God.
那是上帝。
Me following the spirit and the instinct.
我追随精神和本能。
Now I can tell you how I did it.
现在我可以告诉你我是怎么做到的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But in the beginning, when I jumped aboard it, it was all spiritual and it was all instinctual.
但一开始,当我跳上它时,这都是精神上的,都是本能的。
It was all passion.
这全都是激情。
It was not the mind doing it.
这不是头脑在做的。
It was just my spirit and my instinct and my heart just following this dream and adapting.
这只是我的精神、我的本能和我的心在追随这个梦想并适应。
I have to learn this, I have to do this.
我必须学这个,我必须这样做。
But then at the same time, I saw a lot of great things in America.
但与此同时,我在美国看到了很多伟大的事情。
Like you can be you.
就像你可以成为你一样。
Oh, yeah This is a good philosophy.
哦,是的,这是一个很好的哲学。
The stoics, that's a great philosophy, right?
斯多葛派,这是一个伟大的哲学,对吗?
And then your actions, okay, just walk, shoulders up, head high, breathe, walk.
然后你的动作,好吧,只是走路,肩膀抬起,头高,呼吸,走路。
And that's prac-- Your body language, also exudes what you're thinking and what you're feeling.
这就是实践——你的肢体语言也流露出你的想法和感受。
And because I'm with dogs all day, I just keep that energy 24/7.
因为我整天和狗在一起,所以我可以 24/7 保持精力。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's beautiful.
很漂亮。
As a practical tangent, the thing about just shoulders back-
作为一个实用的切线,关于肩膀向后的事情-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and walk, I think it's funny to see when people try this, they're like, "I'm going to be the pack leader."
走路,我觉得很有趣的是,当人们尝试这样做时,他们会说,“我将成为群体的领导者。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That doesn't work.
那是行不通的。
And I'll tell you, it really doesn't work with a bulldog mastiff.
我告诉你,这对斗牛犬獒来说真的不起作用。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No. You can't fake it.
不,你不能假装它。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
If you get frustrated with them, they feel it, and they pull back.
如果你对他们感到沮丧,他们会感觉到,然后就会退缩。
It's wild.
它很狂野。
They just can feel it.
他们只是能感觉到。
Like if you're frustrated, "Let's go."
就像当你感到沮丧时,“我们走吧”。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's like, no.
就像,不。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'll sometimes give a little bit of a stern...
有时我也会严厉一点...
I have one little command that I occasionally use.
我有一个偶尔使用的小命令。
I keep its potency.
我保留了它的效力。
But if Costello, or in this case Strummer, is really being stubborn just for stubborn sake-
但如果科斯特洛,或者在本例中是斯特鲁默,真的只是为了固执而固执——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
I'll do tss, and that's it.
我会做 tss,就这样。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Just snap him out of it.
只要让他摆脱困境即可。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That's all it takes.
仅此而已。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But if I do that more than three times on a walk, it loses its potency.
但如果我在散步时这样做超过三次,它就会失去效力。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's just my way of saying like, "No."
这只是我说“不”的方式。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's just a no.
这只是一个不。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I don't say no. And if I were-
但我不会说不。如果我是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You feel it.
你感觉到了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
And if I were to tss, tss.
如果我要 tss,tss。
And I'm realizing as I say this, that little tss is probably more of a reminder to myself-
当我这么说的时候我意识到,那个小tss可能更多的是对我自己的提醒——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
as much as it is a reminder to him.
这对他来说也是一种提醒。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
It happened to both.
两者都发生过这种事。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
I'm just kind of trying to create this thing like, "No, I lead this walk.
我只是想创造这样的东西,“不,我带领这次步行。
You need this walk.
你需要这次步行。
I need this walk.
我需要这次散步。
We're doing this walk."
我们正在进行这次步行。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes, sir.
是的,先生。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he just-
而他只是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
he goes.
他走了。
Now it's a little bit tougher when my girlfriend walks him.
现在当我女朋友遛他的时候就有点困难了。
He tests her more.
他更加考验她。
So could we talk about that when a dog is in a very respectful of one person, obeys the boundaries, but then to other people, they're acting out.
那么我们可以讨论一下,当一只狗非常尊重一个人,遵守界限,但对其他人来说,他们的行为就很过激。
How should that be remedied?
应该如何补救呢?
If the three of us walk together, for instance, he'll do whatever she wants.
比如说,如果我们三个一起走,他就会做她想做的任何事。
With me, he does whatever I decide.
和我在一起,他做我决定的任何事情。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Done.
完成。
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Okay.
好的。
But sometimes with her, she'll say, "He was great." "No, he was really difficult." How does one facilitate that?
但有时和她在一起时,她会说:“他很棒。” “不,他真的很难相处。”如何促进这一点?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I think the first thing women have to realize is how much they are in their emotions and how much they think about things.
我认为女性首先要意识到的是她们的情绪有多强烈,她们对事物的思考有多深。
Right?
正确的?
So, the fact that we go into the silence and the calmness and just we follow through, that's the spirit, the instinct, and the mind.
所以,事实上,我们进入沉默和平静,然后坚持到底,这就是精神、本能和思想。
And that's what's walking the dog.
这就是遛狗的事。
But in my experience, women go into the emotional vibration, and then they say, "Costello, vamonos," and they begin to have an intellectual conversation.
但根据我的经验,女性进入情感振动,然后她们说,“科斯特洛,vamonos”,然后她们开始进行理智的对话。
So the dog knows that that human is only using half of who they are, which is the heart and the mind.
所以狗知道人类只使用了他们的一半,那就是心灵和头脑。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
And so it's very important for women to remember that spirit is a powerful thing.
因此,对于女性来说,记住精神是一种强大的力量,这一点非常重要。
And say, "How am I going to practice silence?" And instinct is a powerful thing.
并说:“我该如何练习沉默?”本能是一种强大的东西。
How am I going to practice instinct?
我该如何练习本能?
Breath.
气息。
You're calm inside.
你内心很平静。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
And you just want to go from point A to point B.
而你只想从 A 点到 B 点。
Very simple, very practical.
非常简单,非常实用。
You're not negotiating.
你不是在谈判。
You're not looking at anything else.
你没有在看其他任何东西。
You're not distracted.
你没有分心。
You're just going for the task, and then the dog just follows that silence, the calmness, and the confidence.
你只是去完成任务,然后狗就会遵循那种沉默、平静和自信。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's when the human doesn't use that vibration-
当人类不使用那种振动时-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
that a dog has an option to get distracted, to do other things, to go away from the routine or from the structure, from whatever you want to do.
狗可以选择分散注意力,去做其他事情,摆脱常规或结构,摆脱你想做的任何事情。
But at the same time, the same woman can ride a horse, and in order to ride a horse, she has to be quiet, calm, confident.
但与此同时,同一个女人可以骑马,而为了骑马,她必须安静、冷静、自信。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh, yeah.
哦,是的。
My first girlfriend, she had horses at home.
我的第一个女朋友,她家里有马。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They had a stable below their home.
他们家楼下有一个马厩。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They actually weren't that wealthy, but her dad actually had not even a junior high school education.
他们其实没那么有钱,但她爸爸其实连初中文化都没有。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He came over from Greece.
他从希腊过来。
He became a taxi driver.
他成为一名出租车司机。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he was going to give his daughters this life, and they had this horse.
他打算给他的女儿们这样的生命,而她们就拥有了这匹马。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And it was incredible to see her, because she's a very quiet person, actually.
见到她真是令人难以置信,因为实际上她是一个非常安静的人。
Very artistic.
很有艺术感。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But with her horse, and he was a wild one, he was gelded late.
但她的马是一匹野马,所以很晚才被阉割。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm.
嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And so it was a whole thing.
所以这是一个完整的事情。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Vamonos.
瓦莫诺斯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But her in the presence of that horse, she just understood, because he was dangerous.
但当着那匹马的面,她才明白,因为他很危险。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He was actually a dangerous animal.
他实际上是一种危险的动物。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And a totally different side of her came out.
她完全不同的一面显现出来了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And that's the first time I realized, I was a teenager, right?
那是我第一次意识到,我还是个青少年,对吧?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I was like, "Oh, she has this immense power."
但我当时想,“哦,她有如此巨大的力量。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That's not like the kind of power that we think about.
这不像我们想象的那种力量。
Of course, women have power-
当然,女人有力量——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
all this, but it was a completely different landscape.
这一切,却是完全不同的风景。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I was like, "Whoa." First of all, I can't do that.
我当时想,“哇。”首先,我不能这么做。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I had to learn to be around him.
我必须学会在他身边。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But just the level of calm and confidence-
但只是平静和自信的程度——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
to clean a horse.
清洁马。
A horse can kill you.
一匹马可以杀了你。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right?
对吗?
But if you walk around going, "Oh my gosh, this horse can kill me," it does not go well.
但如果你一边走一边说:“天哪,这匹马能杀了我”,那就不太顺利了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But exactly.
但确切地说。
So what we have to remember is the human part before the gender.
所以我们要记住的是,在性别之前,先是人的部分。
Right?
正确的?
So just go back to your human.
所以,回到你的人类身边吧。
Can a man and a woman ride a horse?
男人和女人可以骑马吗?
Yeah.
是的。
Why?
为什么?
Because they're using the same energy and the same philosophy, and the same actions.
因为他们使用相同的能量、相同的理念和相同的行动。
So is it because it's a man or a woman?
那么是因为是男人还是女人呢?
No. It's because they're using the same energy.
不,这是因为他们使用相同的能量。
So it's a human thing.
所以这是人性的事情。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Not a gender thing.
不是性别问题。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So I invite my female clients to, don't forget, you also have this calm confidence inside of you that your dog needs.
所以我邀请我的女性客户,不要忘记,你内心也有你的狗所需要的平静的自信。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Craves.
渴望。
And especially in your-- because most of the time people call me because the dog is in a fight state, right?
尤其是在你的——因为大多数时候人们打电话给我是因为狗处于战斗状态,对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So most of my cases are aggression, and so in your case, you have no choice.
所以我的大多数案例都是攻击性的,所以在你的案例中,你别无选择。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You have to lead the pack, and the only way you can lead the pack is with calm confidence.
你必须引领潮流,而引领潮流的唯一方法就是拥有冷静的自信。
You love the pack with love and joy, so you already know how to do that.
您满怀爱意和喜悦地爱着这个包,所以您已经知道该怎么做了。
Right?
正确的?
You have to tap into what people call masculine energy.
你必须利用人们所说的男性能量。
Right?
正确的?
So can a woman ride a horse?
那么女人可以骑马吗?
Yes.
是的。
She has to be in this energy to do it.
她必须有这种能量才能做到这一点。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
She has to.
她必须这样做。
So they just have to learn to recognize, okay, I'm not changing me.
所以他们必须学会认识到,好吧,我不会改变我自己。
I'm just using everything about me.
我只是利用我的一切。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
It's like a man.
这就像一个男人。
Can a man use the feminine side?
男人可以利用女性的一面吗?
Yes, you can.
是的,你可以。
Of course.
当然。
You have it.
你有它。
Right?
正确的?
It's your love joy, and your masculine is your calm confidence.
这是你的爱情喜悦,你的阳刚之气是你的冷静自信。
Silence is for everybody.
沉默适合每个人。
It's your patience.
这是你的耐心。
So silence is before calm confidence or love joy.
所以沉默是在平静的信心或爱的喜悦之前。
And this is what they call feminine, and this is what they call masculine.
这就是他们所说的女性气质,这就是他们所说的男性气质。
So however you want to call it, just be the whole human.
所以无论你想怎么称呼它,只要是完整的人就可以了。
Use your spirit, use your instinct, use your heart, use your mind.
用你的精神,用你的本能,用你的心,用你的头脑。
Trust, respect, love, and then do whatever your mind wants to do.
信任、尊重、爱,然后做任何你想做的事。
It has nothing to do with women or a man.
这与女人或男人无关。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But if we divide and we see each other different, or say, "No, it's because I'm a woman, I have to be emotional." Yes, you can be emotional at the right time, just like a man can be emotional at the right time.
但如果我们分裂,我们看到彼此不同,或者说,“不,因为我是女人,我必须情绪化。”是的,你可以在适当的时候情绪化,就像男人可以在适当的时候情绪化一样。
Nobody's saying not to be loving.
没有人说不要去爱。
What we're saying is how to use this energy for good-
我们所说的是如何利用这种能量来做善事——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
where you reward good behavior on humans and good behavior on dogs with the energy of love.
你用爱的能量奖励人类的良好行为和狗的良好行为。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
If the energy of love can change bad, it would be no bad men in the world.
如果爱的能量可以变坏,世界上就没有坏人了。
Because moms normally give you love, but love doesn't change the bad energy.
因为妈妈通常会给你爱,但爱并不能改变不好的能量。
It's the calm confidence that change the bad energy.
改变不良能量的是平静的信心。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The idea that society is broken, humans are broken.
社会崩溃了,人类崩溃了。
There are a lot of problems in the world right now.
现在世界上有很多问题。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Purposely, by the way.
顺便说一句,是故意的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Tell me more.
告诉我更多。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
If we get the wrong information, we're going to be no connection communication relationships.
如果我们得到了错误的信息,我们将无法连接沟通关系。
So how can we become powerful?
那么我们怎样才能变得强大呢?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because when we unite, and then we become powerful, the pack unites.
因为当我们团结起来,变得强大时,群体就会团结起来。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But if the pack is separated, the pack fights, flight, and avoid each other.
但如果狼群被分开,狼群就会互相争斗、逃跑和躲避。
So purposely, we get the wrong information.
所以我们故意得到错误的信息。
That's why my goal is to give people the right information.
这就是为什么我的目标是为人们提供正确的信息。
If you have low money, middle class, rich, it really doesn't matter.
如果你是低钱、中产阶级、富人,那真的没关系。
We should all know the same thing about dogs.
我们都应该对狗有同样的了解。
We should all know the same thing about God.
我们都应该对神有同样的认识。
We should all know the same thing about Earth.
关于地球,我们都应该知道同样的事情。
All of us.
我们所有人。
It has nothing to do with what position in the pack you are economically speaking.
从经济角度来说,这与你在群体中的地位无关。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
See it?
看到了吗?
So what does that world looks like?
那么那个世界是什么样子的呢?
Well, that world look like all humans around the world, regardless of economical position, they're all going to have an amazing relationship with dogs.
好吧,这个世界看起来就像世界上所有的人类一样,无论经济地位如何,他们都会与狗建立一种奇妙的关系。
How?
如何?
Because they all have the same information.
因为他们都有相同的信息。
That's it.
就是这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I love that.
我喜欢那个。
I feel like we're drifting further and further away from ourselves as a species, and what I'm hearing is that looking at our interactions with this other species, dogs, and looking at our, practicing our ability to get outside ourselves-
我觉得我们作为一个物种正在离我们自己越来越远,我听到的是,看看我们与其他物种、狗的互动,看看我们、练习我们摆脱自我的能力——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and tap into other aspects of ourselves.
并挖掘我们自己的其他方面。
Like the need for calm confidence when we just want to be loving.
就像当我们只想去爱时需要冷静的自信一样。
That's really about wanting to be loved.
这其实就是想要被爱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The person coming home, it's not that the dog needs their love.
人回家了,并不是狗需要他们的爱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They can hear, oh, actually, the dog needs calm confidence.
他们可以听到,哦,实际上,狗需要冷静的信心。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I translate it as, no, that this person just feels so tired at the end of the day.
但我将其翻译为,不,这个人只是在一天结束时感到很累。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What they need is something that just adores them.
他们需要的是崇拜他们的东西。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And the whole process of raising Costello was one of reading your book, really, this is why you're here, because I saw and experienced so much value from your teaching, and then realizing that if I really want to get what I want-
抚养科斯特洛的整个过程就是阅读你的书,真的,这就是你来这里的原因,因为我从你的教学中看到并体验到了如此多的价值,然后意识到如果我真的想得到我想要的东西——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
it means building the relationship means not doing this thing in the moment.
这意味着建立关系意味着暂时不要做这件事。
I'm thinking about the whole relationship.
我正在思考整个关系。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Safety first, et cetera.
安全第一等等。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And so it's this kind of counterintuitive thing of needing to go against self in the moment to create the sort of picture where you get so much more and everybody wins.
因此,这是一种违反直觉的事情,需要在当下违背自我,才能创造出一种你得到更多、每个人都赢的画面。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
There is a version of everybody, including the dogs, wins.
有一种说法是,每个人,包括狗,都会获胜。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Everybody wins.
每个人都赢了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it requires a level of self-discipline, awareness, calmness, breathing that I think many people, and certainly in that time, I felt like there's so much constant pressure to do, do, do.
但这需要一定程度的自律、意识、冷静和呼吸,我想很多人都这样,当然在那个时候,我觉得有很大的持续压力要做、做、做。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So there's a certain amount of slowing down and self-awareness that's required for everything that you're describing.
因此,您所描述的一切都需要一定程度的放慢速度和自我意识。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes, sir.
是的,先生。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What is your practice for that on a daily basis?
您每天的做法是什么?
You're a master now.
你现在是大师了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You're a virtuoso at this.
你是这方面的高手。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I always say there's unskilled, skilled, master, and virtuosity.
我常说,有不熟练,有熟练,有大师,有精湛。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You're up here.
你在上面。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Back of the pack, man, or the back of the pack.
背包的后面,伙计,还是背包的后面。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
But so for somebody who's trying to move from unskilled to skilled in the domain of slowing down, thinking about what the priority in this interaction is, getting all that working while life is happening in real time, lots happening, and it's coming through the phone and this and that, schedules.
但对于那些试图在放慢节奏方面从不熟练转变为熟练的人来说,思考这种互动的优先事项是什么,在生活实时发生、发生很多事情的同时完成所有工作,并且通过电话、这样那样的时间表来实现。
How do you recommend, young or old, that people start to cultivate this awareness and this-
你如何建议,无论年轻还是年老,人们开始培养这种意识,并且——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I think the quicker we become aware what is life about, because we're all going to die.
我认为我们越快意识到生命是什么,因为我们都会死。
And so what is life about?
那么生命到底是什么?
And life is about life.
生活就是关于生活。
Life is to be happy, to be healthy, to be loving, and to be smart.
生活就是快乐、健康、有爱、聪明。
That's life.
这就是生活。
And then it's time, how you structure, how you manage time.
然后是时间,你如何安排、如何管理时间。
And then it's memories.
然后就是回忆了。
That's all you take.
这就是你所需要的。
Once you realize those three things, I think you're going to be able to focus and experience life the way animals do.
一旦你意识到这三件事,我想你将能够像动物一样集中注意力并体验生活。
Because they're very grateful of life.
因为他们对生活非常感恩。
They structure time very wisely.
他们非常明智地安排时间。
And then by the time they die, they only take good memories.
当他们死的时候,他们只留下美好的回忆。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because that's all you take, good memories.
因为这就是你所带走的一切,美好的回忆。
And so the quicker we surrender to that concept the quicker we are going to focus in what's valuable.
因此,我们越快接受这个概念,我们就能越快地专注于有价值的事情。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And things that we can definitely practice, this concept of love.
我们绝对可以实践的事情,就是这种爱的概念。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And so that to me is be grateful of life every day, be thankful of life every day.
所以对我来说就是每天都要感激生活,每天都要感激生活。
Learn with your mind to learn, to achieve, give it away.
用你的头脑去学习、去实现、去奉献。
It's very important to be at service and make other humans or animals achieve what you just achieved.
为他人服务并让其他人类或动物达到你刚刚取得的成就是非常重要的。
And of course, the energy of love, to love those three things about it.
当然,还有爱的能量,爱这三件事。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Your spirit, your instinct, and your mind.
你的精神、你的本能和你的思想。
Learn to love that about you, because that's who you are.
学会爱你的这一点,因为那就是你。
So who's Cesar Millan?
那么塞萨尔·米兰是谁?
Cesar Millan is a spirit, he's an instinct, he's a heart, and he's a mind.
塞萨尔·米兰是一种精神,他是一种本能,他是一颗心,他是一个思想。
So and then, oh man, I value that so much.
然后,天哪,我非常重视这一点。
And now once I value that, it's easy to love what you value.
现在,一旦我重视这一点,就很容易爱上你所重视的东西。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's easy to love what you value.
爱你所看重的东西很容易。
And so once you realize this natural, simple, profound self, you want to give it away.
所以一旦你认识到这个自然、简单、深刻的自我,你就会想把它放弃。
I give it away to dogs.
我把它送给狗。
And because I do that, I get to rehabilitate dogs that people unconsciously have confused.
因为我这样做,我就能让人们无意识地混淆的狗康复。
See?
看?
Because dogs in America, dogs in the rural country are skinny, but they don't have psychological problems.
因为美国的狗、农村的狗虽然瘦,但心理上没有问题。
Dogs in America are chunky, and I get to have a TV show.
美国的狗很粗壮,我可以拍电视节目。
So dogs in America should be the happiest, healthiest, loving, smartest dog on Earth, because dogs in America have rights.
所以美国的狗应该是地球上最快乐、最健康、最有爱心、最聪明的狗,因为美国的狗有权利。
You understand that concept?
你明白这个概念吗?
But why would a guy from Mexico come to America and National Geographic gives him a TV show?
但为什么一个来自墨西哥的人会来到美国,而《国家地理》杂志却要为他提供一个电视节目呢?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because America created fight-flight avoidance unconsciously.
因为美国无意识地创造了逃避战斗的局面。
Even though America loves dogs more than any other country I ever seen in my life.
尽管美国比我一生中见过的任何其他国家都更爱狗。
Dogs have birthday parties in America.
狗在美国举办生日派对。
Dogs have Christmas presents in America.
在美国,狗有圣诞礼物。
Dogs get married in America.
狗在美国结婚。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Dogs get married?
狗结婚了?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Wow.
哇。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's-
那是——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah
是啊
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
taking the humanization to another level.
将人性化提升到另一个层次。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But that just shows you the creativity of human.
但这只是向你展示了人类的创造力。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But not because the dog has all this money, fame, and power, the dog is happy.
但并不是因为狗拥有所有这些金钱、名誉和权力,狗才快乐。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
My goal is for people to understand that happiness and health and having a good heart and having a good creative mind shouldn't take too much.
我的目标是让人们明白,幸福、健康、拥有一颗善良的心、拥有良好的创造力并不需要太多。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
It's just about being grateful, right?
这只是为了感恩,对吗?
It's just about being thankful.
这只是为了感恩。
It's about loving those two things and then make sure that your mind learn, achieve, gives it away, or learn to turn it off.
这是关于热爱这两件事,然后确保你的思想学习、实现、放弃它,或者学会关闭它。
So don't use your mind to think bad things.
所以不要用你的头脑去想坏事。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What's your process for turning off your mind?
你关闭你的想法的过程是什么?
This is a very common challenge for people.
这对人们来说是一个非常普遍的挑战。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I think the easiest way for people to experience, because they have to see it, right?
我认为这是人们体验的最简单的方式,因为他们必须看到它,对吗?
You can tell-
你可以告诉——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
people, "Da, da, da, da, da."
人们“哒、哒、哒、哒、哒”。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But if they don't see it inside, they're never going to understand what you mean.
但如果他们看不到里面的内容,他们永远不会理解你的意思。
So what I help people with is I put them in the cold plunge, right?
所以我帮助人们的就是让他们陷入冷境,对吗?
And once they go through the fight-flight avoidance, they want to see, and they get to the calm surrender.
一旦他们经历了战斗-逃跑回避,他们就想看看,然后他们就会平静投降。
What are you thinking?
你在想什么?
I'm thinking nothing.
我什么都没想
That's exactly what a clear mind looks like.
这正是清晰的头脑的样子。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Hmm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So through that cold plunge experience, the human gets to understand breath-
因此,通过那种寒冷的经历,人类开始理解呼吸——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
patience-
耐心-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
confidence-
信心-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
and not to think anything.
并且什么也不去想。
Because you're doing this with your spirit and your instinct and your heart.
因为你是用你的精神、你的本能和你的心来做这件事。
Your mind, you just have to wait for the three minutes.
你的心,你只需要等待三分钟。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's it.
就是这样。
Without anticipation, so there's just nothing there, right?
没有预期,所以什么都没有,对吗?
And then, of course, the cold doesn't let you think.
当然,寒冷不会让你思考。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
But the only thing you can do is breathe-
但你唯一能做的就是呼吸——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right
右
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
and wait.
并等待。
And so then once they see it, okay, that is the meaning of not having nothing in your mind.
那么一旦他们看到了,好吧,这就是你心里什么都没有的意思。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So I make them experience it versus if I just tell them, they can't picture it.
所以我让他们体验它,而不是如果我只是告诉他们,他们无法想象。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
As somebody who's a real believer, as you probably know, in deliberate cold exposure-
作为一个真正的信徒,正如你可能知道的那样,在故意的寒冷暴露中-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
I think it's zero cost.
我认为这是零成本。
You use a cold shower.
你用冷水淋浴。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It saves on the water bill.
这样可以节省水费。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So this isn't like having to run out and buy something.
所以这并不像必须跑出去买东西。
What it tells me, because the cold plunge immediately, reliably releases adrenaline-
它告诉我什么,因为寒冷的骤降会立即可靠地释放肾上腺素-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
which then wakes up the brain as well.
这也会唤醒大脑。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's your instinct.
那是你的本能。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Shuts down the forebrain.
关闭前脑。
It's fascinating that you're saying this because the forebrain is strategy, et cetera.
你这么说很有趣,因为前脑负责策略等等。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But in the first 20 or 30 seconds of deliberate cold exposure, the prefrontal cortex, which controls all the top-down inhibition of impulse-
但在故意冷暴露的前 20 或 30 秒,控制所有自上而下的冲动抑制的前额叶皮层 -
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
it's not shut off, but it is greatly diminished.
它没有关闭,但大大减少了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You can't strategize well.
你无法制定良好的策略。
You're just thinking out.
你只是想出来而已。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So you're saying people need to get past the point where they're trying to suppress impulse, but they need to experience adrenaline.
所以你是说人们需要克服试图抑制冲动的阶段,但他们需要体验肾上腺素。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Got it.
明白了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
That's right.
这是正确的。
And then you can see-
然后你可以看到——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So they get to peace.
这样他们就得到了和平。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And that's the energy to bring-
这就是带来的能量——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
to your interaction with your dog.
您与您的狗的互动。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And ideally, to your spouse and your kids, too.
理想情况下,对您的配偶和孩子也是如此。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Everywhere.
无处不在。
Everywhere.
到处。
So a human after a cold plunge brings that energy everywhere.
因此,一个人在经历了一次寒冷的暴跌后,会将这种能量带到各处。
You don't have to talk.
你不必说话。
Everybody knows your energy feels really good, all because you went to Mother Nature.
每个人都知道你的能量感觉非常好,这一切都是因为你去了大自然。
Right?
正确的?
That was Mother Nature.
这就是大自然。
Cold.
寒冷的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
It's water, cold.
是水,冰凉的。
That's Mother Nature.
这就是大自然。
Right?
正确的?
So imagine you bring that energy to meeting a dog, to walking with a dog, to feeding a dog.
所以想象一下,你带着这种能量去见一只狗、带狗散步、喂狗。
That's it.
就是这样。
That's all I want people to experience because everybody wants, "Ah!" They want to do that, right?
这就是我希望人们体验到的一切,因为每个人都想要,“啊!”他们想这么做,对吗?
Or they want to do, "I'm not aware of how I feel.
或者他们想做的是,“我不知道自己的感受。
I just want to give affection." You see?
我只是想给予感情。”你看?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So that is good for the human, not necessarily good for everybody else, because that human's spreading that energy.
所以这对人类有好处,但不一定对其他人有好处,因为人类正在传播这种能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So my goal is for people to spread silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy, because that's exactly how you feel after a cold plunge.
所以我的目标是让人们传播沉默、平静、自信、爱、快乐,因为这正是你在感冒后的感受。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Exactly in three minutes, you get into that state.
整整三分钟,你就进入了那种状态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You have to learn to love-
你要学会去爱——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
the process of, I'm going to fight flight avoidance, but I'm not going to listen to that part of me.
在这个过程中,我将与逃避行为作斗争,但我不会听从我的那一部分。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I'm going to listen to my calm surrender.
我要听听我平静的投降。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I'm going to listen to my calm confidence.
我要听听我平静的自信。
And then once I finish, I'm going to listen to my happy go lucky.
然后一旦我完成了,我就会听我的快乐走运。
And that's all you want.
这就是你想要的。
That's it.
就是这样。
Those three state of minds are super powerful.
这三种心态的力量是非常强大的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I've thought a lot about deliberate cold exposure, adrenaline, and norepinephrine.
我对故意寒冷暴露、肾上腺素和去甲肾上腺素思考了很多。
You get this long arc of dopamine that lasts hours and hours and hours afterwards.
你会得到一段持续数小时、数小时、数小时后的长长的多巴胺弧。
And my critics will say, "Well, it's just dopamine in the body, not in the brain." Actually, new findings show it's dopamine in your brain and body.
我的批评者会说,“嗯,这只是体内的多巴胺,而不是大脑中的。”事实上,新的发现表明你的大脑和身体中存在着多巴胺。
Long arc.
长弧。
Very few things produce this thing of long-lasting dopamine.
很少有东西能产生这种持久的多巴胺。
Drugs will spike and drop.
毒品会飙升和下降。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Well, a good relationship with a dog is long-lasting dopamine.
嗯,与狗建立良好的关系是持久的多巴胺。
A well-balanced dog is a long-lasting whatever you want.
一只平衡良好的狗是持久的,无论你想要什么。
I hope you want the four worlds, your spirit, your instinct, your heart, and your mind, all of them by walking.
我希望你想要四个世界,你的精神,你的本能,你的心,你的头脑,所有这些都是通过步行获得的。
Just walk with the dog for a long period of time, then you do your play, explore.
只要和狗一起散步很长一段时间,然后你就可以玩耍、探索。
That's the best medicine any human can get.
这是任何人都能得到的最好的药物。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's the amount of peace that I still get from my relationship with Costello.
这是我仍然从与科斯特洛的关系中获得的平静。
He's passed now, but he's still-
现在他已经过去了,但他仍然——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, everywhere
是啊,到处都有
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
I believe, in his spirit, is I mean, I would-
我相信,本着他的精神,我的意思是,我会——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Spirit never dies
精神永不消亡
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
it's worth, it makes me well up, not out of sadness, it's like I can feel the love of the relationship.
这是值得的,它让我感到高兴,而不是出于悲伤,就好像我能感受到这段关系的爱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I had to ask, and on my list, and I'm going to ask, this is the right time, I believe.
我不得不问,在我的清单上,我会问,我相信现在是正确的时间。
So as Costello got to 11 years old-
所以当科斯特洛到了 11 岁的时候——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
it's pretty old for a bulldog.
对于斗牛犬来说它已经很老了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He had some sort of spinal stroke.
他患有某种脊椎中风。
He couldn't walk.
他无法行走。
He was falling over.
他快要摔倒了。
I was distraught.
我心烦意乱。
How can I get this fixed?
我怎样才能解决这个问题?
And-
还有——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
at some point, I realized, you know when people say, "They'll let you know?"
在某些时候,我意识到,你知道人们会说“他们会让你知道吗?”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I had a feeling and then a thought, and it went something like this.
我有一种感觉,然后有一个想法,事情是这样的。
I made a contract with him to take care of him.
我和他订了契约,要照顾他。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And in the contract of being a really good dog owner-
在成为一名真正的好狗主人的合同中——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
but mostly in the contract of the relationship, I owed him a peaceful exit.
但主要是在关系契约中,我欠他一个和平的退出。
Hated going to the vet, so I got someone to come to the house-
讨厌去看兽医,所以我让人来家里-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right
没错
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and do this thing.
并做这件事。
Most people, they hate the concept of death, especially in family members or a dog.
大多数人讨厌死亡的概念,尤其是家庭成员或狗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I think it would've been useful to me to understand the day I got him that someday this is going to end.
我认为,当我认识他的那一天,如果我明白这一切终有一天会结束,这对我会有帮助。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I think this thing about honoring death as a real thing-
我认为尊重死亡是一件真实的事——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
is so important because that last two weeks was a real struggle between me and myself.
这非常重要,因为过去两周是我和我自己之间真正的斗争。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
My desire to just keep it going, and I realized I was being selfish.
我渴望继续下去,但我意识到我很自私。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It was about me.
是关于我的。
And of course, I gave him the best passage I could.
当然,我尽我所能地给了他最好的段落。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And people in my life who knew me and knew my relationship to him, they said, "I actually can't believe you did it.
我生命中认识我并了解我与他关系的人说,“我真的不敢相信你做到了。
I'm surprised you were able to." But the moment I realized, this is the final line-
我很惊讶你能做到。”但当我意识到的那一刻,这是最后一行——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
in the contract of being a really good dog owner, I was like, "Of course I have to do this."
在成为一名真正的好狗主人的合同中,我想,“我当然必须这样做。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So no one likes this topic, but given where you're from, what is your relationship to the concept of death as it relates to dogs?
所以没有人喜欢这个话题,但考虑到你来自哪里,你与狗的死亡概念有何关系?
And the question is very specific here.
这里的问题非常具体。
Do people say they know, they'll let you know?
人们是否说他们知道,他们会让你知道?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The question I want to know is, is it okay to show your dog sadness, or does it make the dog that's dying more anxious?
我想知道的问题是,让你的狗表现出悲伤是否可以,或者这会让濒临死亡的狗更加焦虑吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
With my kids, because I have two kids, and obviously we have a pack of dogs, and they have experienced dogs passing.
和我的孩子们在一起,因为我有两个孩子,显然我们有一群狗,他们也经历过狗的经过。
We always make a celebration.
我们总是举办庆祝活动。
I always bring them to their favorite place.
我总是带他们去他们最喜欢的地方。
So I definitely bring more the energy of happiness.
所以我肯定会带来更多快乐的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And I ask my kids, "If you're going to cry or whatever, just do it away from them." Otherwise, you hold them.
我问我的孩子们,“如果你要哭或者发生什么,就远离他们。”否则,你就拿着它们。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So I want them to go back.
所以我想让他们回去。
That's why it's so good to believe in God, because they're going back to the source.
这就是为什么相信上帝是如此美好,因为他们要回到源头。
So they're way better with Him than with here on Earth.
所以他们和他在一起比和在地球上相处要好得多。
I did my homework right, too, also.
我的作业也做对了。
So I feel really good that I gave the best life-
所以我感觉非常好,我给了最好的生活-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
for that particular dog, right?
对于那只特定的狗,对吗?
And so when it's time to go, they tell you.
所以当该走的时候,他们会告诉你。
Yeah, they tell you.
是的,他们告诉你。
They can, as many, many signs.
他们可以有很多很多的迹象。
But at the same time, when it's the day, is everybody happy?
但与此同时,当这一天到来时,每个人都高兴吗?
Everybody's happy.
大家都很高兴。
We're going to dance.
我们要跳舞。
We're going to celebrate.
我们要庆祝一下。
We're going to...
我们要去...
It's a ritual.
这是一种仪式。
You can make a sad ritual-
你可以做一个悲伤的仪式——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm
毫米
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
or you can make a happy ritual.
或者你可以做一个快乐的仪式。
You see?
你看到了吗?
It's time for him to depart, the time to go.
他是时候离开了,是时候离开了。
So when I die, I want everybody to be happy.
所以当我死后,我希望每个人都幸福。
Okay?
好吧?
I don't want no sadness.
我不想没有悲伤。
Listen, my life is beyond what I thought.
听着,我的生活超出了我的想象。
Right?
对吗?
So I give that same life to a dog.
所以我给了狗同样的生命。
Same.
一样。
I'm a very dedicated human.
我是一个非常敬业的人。
Seven days a week, even if I don't feel good, it doesn't matter.
一周7天,即使我感觉不舒服,也没关系。
I go and walk that pack.
我去遛那个包。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I'm very committed.
我非常投入。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
It's all about honor.
这都是关于荣誉的。
It's all about respect.
这都是关于尊重。
That's my way of showing my heart, and in my mind, I don't have one day that I did wrong by them.
这就是我表达内心的方式,在我看来,我没有哪一天对他们做错了。
So when it's time for them to go, it's time for them to go, but we're going to make happy about it because they're going back to God.
所以,当他们该离开的时候,他们就该离开了,但我们会为此感到高兴,因为他们会回到上帝身边。
That's how I see it.
我就是这么看的。
And as you was talking about, the spirit never dies.
正如你所说,精神永远不会消亡。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The spirit never dies, and it's an opening for me to help another soul, and another soul, because that's why I'm here, right?
精神永不消亡,这对我来说是一个帮助另一个灵魂的机会,另一个灵魂,因为这就是我在这里的原因,对吗?
I'm here on Earth to, my time can be used wisely to keep helping.
我来到地球是为了明智地利用我的时间来继续提供帮助。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And that's what I find my inspiration, motivation.
这就是我的灵感和动力。
That's it.
就是这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Beautiful.
美丽。
Not what I expected, and I'm so pleasantly surprised.
不是我所期望的,我很惊喜。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It challenges me to even say it because he's still so new, but when Strummer dies-
这对我来说是一种挑战,因为他还很新,但当斯特鲁默去世时——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
the last 24 hours of his life will be a celebration-
他生命的最后24小时将是一场庆祝——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
with him.
和他在一起。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, a celebration.
是的,庆祝活动。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
All right.
好吧。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
All right.
好吧。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's happy spirit.
这是一种快乐的精神。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Sing, laugh, dance.
唱歌、欢笑、跳舞。
Just happiness, because once you start going like this, they get worried.
只是幸福,因为一旦你开始这样,他们就会担心。
And then the spirit lingers, and you don't want it.
然后精神就挥之不去,而你并不想要它。
You just want it to go, and for them to give you direction, protection.
你只想让它继续下去,并让他们给你指导和保护。
I have a big pack in heaven.
我在天堂有一个大包。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You definitely have a big pack waiting for you.
肯定有一大包在等着你。
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
When I go home-
当我回家时——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah
是啊
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
I'm going to have the...
我将有...
How many dogs do I have?
我有几只狗?
I saved my life.
我救了我的命。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Man.
伙计。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So, yeah, I'm going home.
所以,是的,我要回家了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I love it.
我喜欢它。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Earth is a beautiful home, but it's temporary.
地球是一个美丽的家园,但它是暂时的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Well, I believe this, too.
嗯,我也相信这一点。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, it's temporary.
是的,这是暂时的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I've talked a bit about my faith.
我已经谈过一些关于我的信仰的事情了。
Now's not the time, but my audience knows I'm very much in agreement that this is an amazing phase of us.
现在还不是时候,但我的观众知道我非常同意这是我们的一个惊人的阶段。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it's not the only phase.
但这不是唯一的阶段。
And so if people are feeling sad, the number of people I know who turn to their dog-
因此,如果人们感到悲伤,我认识的有多少人会向他们的狗求助——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
for emotional support-
寻求情感支持——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
around a loss of a loved one-
围绕失去亲人——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
or a breakup or loss of a job, just of the world-
或分手或失业,只是世界的——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
whatever.
无论如何。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What is your stance on that?
你对此持什么立场?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's bad because they're passing that energy.
这很糟糕,因为他们正在传递这种能量。
The dog doesn't know what happened.
狗不知道发生了什么。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But obviously, they're going to help you absorb the energy, but after you did that, just take him to the beach, so he can let go of the energy.
但显然,他们会帮助你吸收能量,但你这样做之后,就带他去海滩,这样他就可以释放能量。
Same thing when you bring a dog to a hospital, right?
当你带狗去医院时也是同样的情况,对吗?
And the therapy dogs.
还有治疗犬。
They go to hospitals, kids with cancer, da, da, da, da, da, depressed people, blah, blah, blah.
他们去医院,患有癌症的孩子,哒,哒,哒,哒,哒,抑郁的人,等等,等等。
That dog absorbs that energy.
那只狗吸收了能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay?
好吧?
Just like you will and absorb people's energy.
就像你会吸收人们的能量一样。
Your job is to go and let it go.
你的工作就是走开并放手。
So every time you give bad energy, as help people or help dogs to get rid of that energy that is not healthy for them.
所以每次你给予不好的能量时,帮助人们或帮助狗摆脱那些对他们不健康的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Utilize it, it's available.
利用它,它可用。
But again, you can also go and take a cold plunge before you hug the dog, and that way you kill that energy.
但同样,你也可以在拥抱狗之前先去冷水一下,这样你就可以消除这种能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Kill bad energy, just kill it.
杀掉不好的能量,就杀掉它。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And only give good energy to your family, give good energy to your home.
也只有给你的家人带来好的能量,给你的家带来好的能量。
It's discipline.
这是纪律。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's easier to just to go and ugh, throw that negative energy that you just-
更容易的是,直接走开,呃,扔掉你刚刚——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Sure
当然可以
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
grab.
抢。
It's easier, but then you spread that whole thing everywhere.
这更容易,但是你会把整个事情传播到各处。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh, man.
哦,伙计。
I saw in so many laboratories where the boss, brilliant scientists, I'm thinking of one in particular, and they would do this, what I would call trickle down anxiety.
我在很多实验室里看到了老板、杰出的科学家,我特别想到了一个,他们会这样做,我称之为“涓滴焦虑”。
They'd be stressed and they'd walk through the lab stressing out.
他们会感到压力很大,并且会带着压力走过实验室。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Graduate school is already hard.
研究生已经很难了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Especially in the, if I may, in the sciences.
尤其是在科学领域(如果可以的话)。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Very, very hard.
非常非常难。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Very competitive.
非常有竞争力。
Post-doc is even more uncertain.
博士后就更不确定了。
You don't get a degree at the end.
最后你拿不到学位。
You're investing five years of your life.
你正在投资你生命中的五年。
And to walk around, the boss walking around making people anxious-
而且走来走去,老板走来走去让人着急——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
terrible.
太可怕了。
The other thing that was terrible was walking around making people feel overly confident.
另一件可怕的事情是四处走动让人们感到过于自信。
People would do that, too.
人们也会这样做。
So everything you're saying, it's like you could see it in these very hierarchical human relationships.
所以你所说的一切,就像你可以在这些等级森严的人际关系中看到它一样。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But I think with dogs, I'm just going to say it, I feel like we are so selfish-
但我想对于狗来说,我只是想说,我觉得我们太自私了-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
as a species.
作为一个物种。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That these animals are here for us and just for us, to give me love when I get home.
这些动物在这里是为了我们,而且只是为了我们,当我回家时给我爱。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
To console me when I'm sad.
在我难过的时候安慰我。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
To give me all the things I want.
给我所有我想要的东西。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That I would be blind to the basic needs of-
我会对基本需求视而不见——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
that animal.
那个动物。
It really is, it's as selfish in my opinion as saying, "Oh, these are animals that we work on, that just serve our purposes to advance our careers or scientific understanding."
确实如此,在我看来,这就像说“哦,这些是我们研究的动物,它们只是服务于我们促进我们的事业或科学理解的目的”一样自私。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And again, there's a place for that-
再说一遍,有一个地方可以做到这一点——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
but we have to be incredibly nuanced-
但我们必须非常细致入微——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
about where that's appropriate and where it's inappropriate.
关于什么地方合适,什么地方不合适。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's just a selfishness.
这只是一种自私。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The selfish part and the unselfish part.
自私的部分和无私的部分。
So what I'm saying is don't forget to be at service before somebody's at service to you.
所以我想说的是,在有人为你服务之前,不要忘记先服务。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
So the spirit instinct love to be at service.
所以精神本能喜欢提供服务。
And then the love and the mind loves to be served.
然后爱和思想喜欢被服务。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So this is your selfish part of it.
所以这是你自私的一部分。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And this is your unselfish part of it.
这就是你无私的部分。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So you're here to serve God, and you're here to serve Earth.
所以你来这里是为了服务上帝,你来这里是为了服务地球。
All right, so don't forget that, to be at service.
好吧,所以不要忘记,服务。
Because they skip it.
因为他们会跳过它。
So once you go directly to the heart and the mind, this is what I want.
所以一旦你直接进入内心和头脑,这就是我想要的。
I want my dog to love me, da, da, da.
我希望我的狗爱我,哒,哒,哒。
Okay, fine, you just skip spirit and instinct.
好吧,好吧,你只是跳过精神和本能。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Because the spirit will never bring bad energy to the heart.
因为精神永远不会给内心带来不好的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And instinct will never bring bad energy to the mind.
本能永远不会给头脑带来不好的能量。
You see?
你看到了吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So if you remember that you are four things, and this is what you want to give to your dog, to yourself, to your house, to your family, then you're going to be focusing on making sure that you snap out of it, whatever, like you do on yourself-
所以,如果你记得你有四样东西,这就是你想给你的狗、给你自己、给你的房子、给你的家人的东西,那么你就会集中精力确保你能摆脱它,无论如何,就像你对自己所做的那样——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
to snap out of it.
摆脱它。
Right?
对吗?
And then you go bring patience, calmness, confidence, love, and then you go hug the dog.
然后你带着耐心、冷静、自信、爱,然后你去拥抱狗。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So you also have to learn to snap yourself out of it-
所以你也要学会让自己摆脱困境——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
from whatever energy you went and attract.
来自你去和吸引的任何能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's like stepping on poop.
就像踩到粪便一样。
You got to remove your shoe before you walk into the house, otherwise you bring that scent.
进屋前必须脱鞋,否则就会带来气味。
So energy is the same way.
所以能量也是同样的道理。
It's like poop on your feet.
就像脚上有大便一样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Bad energy, it's the same.
坏能量,都是一样的。
You're going to spread it all over the house.
你会把它撒满整个房子。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Absolutely.
绝对的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Your plants are going to die.
你的植物快要死了。
Your dogs are going to be like, "Okay, this energy is not good, so we..." Right?
你的狗会说,“好吧,这种能量不好,所以我们......”对吗?
And then your family will get it.
然后你的家人就会得到它。
So you're going to enter into this dark energy.
所以你将进入这种黑暗能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
These days on social media, there's so much I'm realizing about the low level stuff.
这些天在社交媒体上,我意识到了很多底层的东西。
Like you should never hug a dog.
就像你永远不应该拥抱狗一样。
You should hug a dog.
你应该拥抱一只狗。
You should never pick up your dog off the ground.
你永远不应该把你的狗从地上抱起来。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's okay to pick up.
捡起来就没事了。
Your dog should never be in your bed.
你的狗永远不应该在你的床上。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Your dog should be in your bed.
你的狗应该在你的床上。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You see all these contradictions.
你会看到所有这些矛盾。
You see the same thing in the health space.
在健康领域你也会看到同样的情况。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Like, you should cold plunge, you shouldn't cold plunge, you should sauna, you should...
就像,你应该冷跳,你不应该冷跳,你应该桑拿,你应该......
And it comes down to a basic fact, which is that it's not about the practice-
这归结为一个基本事实,那就是这与实践无关——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
it's the principle behind it, the spirit behind it-
这是它背后的原则,它背后的精神——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep
是的
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
the energy behind it.
其背后的能量。
So I was tempted to ask you-
所以我很想问你——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
is it bad to pick up the dog?
捡狗不好吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No.
不。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Actually, Strummer loves being held.
事实上,斯特鲁默喜欢被抱着。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Costello hated it.
科斯特洛讨厌它。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Strummer, he's basically happiest-
Strummer,他基本上是最幸福的-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
just being carried around.
只是被随身携带。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Very close.
非常接近。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I know I don't carry him around too much, but it's funny, he just drapes.
我知道我不会经常带着他到处走,但有趣的是,他只是披着斗篷。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He's so happy that way.
这样他就很高兴了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He wishes he could go through the world that way-
他希望自己能这样走过这个世界——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
frankly.
坦白说。
It's not about carry or don't carry.
这不是带或不带的问题。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No.
不。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's about what is your energy?
这是关于你的能量是什么?
Why are you doing this?
你为什么要这样做?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Is it for you?
适合你吗?
Is it for them?
是为了他们吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What's...
什么是...
Okay.
好的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And if the dog feels, because you can ask a groomer or a vet, they have to carry that dog.
如果狗觉得,因为你可以问美容师或兽医,他们必须带着那只狗。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But they can't carry a five flight avoidance.
但他们无法避免五次飞行。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They can only carry a happy-go-lucky one or a calm surrender one.
他们只能携带一个无忧无虑的人或一个平静投降的人。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So it's nothing wrong hugging a dog.
所以抱狗并没有什么错。
It's nothing wrong putting a dog on the bed.
把狗放在床上没什么问题。
It's nothing wrong.
没什么问题。
It's what state of mind the dog was in when you did this is more important.
更重要的是当你这样做时狗的心理状态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Because what about if a dog is in a flight state and you want to carry him?
因为如果狗处于飞行状态而你想抱它怎么办?
He's going to feel trapped, and then the dog is going to bite or is going to pee or is going to scream, right?
他会感到被困住了,然后狗会咬人、撒尿或尖叫,对吗?
So you could've prevent that just by not focusing on what you wanted to do.
因此,只要不专注于自己想做的事情,就可以避免这种情况的发生。
Is the dog that you want to do that in a calm surrender state?
你想让狗在平静的投降状态下这样做吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Can the dogs stay on the bed?
狗狗可以呆在床上吗?
There's nothing wrong sharing your house with the dog.
与狗同住一个房子并没有什么问题。
Think about invading versus inviting.
考虑一下入侵与邀请。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay?
好吧?
So when the dog goes on his own-
所以当狗自己走的时候——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
he's invading.
他正在入侵。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
When the dog is waiting, and then you tell him to come over, and you tell him where to go, that's being invited.
当狗在等待,然后你告诉他过来,并告诉他去哪里,那就是被邀请了。
So that mind is going to be calm surrender.
这样心就会平静臣服。
The other one is going to get territorial.
另一个将获得领地。
You know how many times I have rehabilitated dogs who claim people's bed?
你知道我有多少次让那些霸占别人床位的狗康复了吗?
Where the husband can't come near-
丈夫不能靠近的地方——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh my goodness
天哪
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
the bed because the wife and the dog were already there.
床,因为妻子和狗已经在那里了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Wow.
哇。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I done a rehabilitation where the husband slept in the living room for three years because she wanted the dogs to stay on the bed.
我做了一个康复治疗,丈夫在客厅里睡了三年,因为她想让狗留在床上。
And every time the guy came into the bedroom The dogs will go after him.
每次这家伙走进卧室,狗都会追他。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I'm sure everyone is thinking: What did he do wrong?
相信大家都在想:他做错了什么?
We're living in this time now where there's this projection of like-
我们现在生活在这个时代,那里有这样的投射——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
well, he must have done something wrong.
好吧,他一定做错了什么。
I can also imagine the situation you just described where no one did anything wrong except give the dog too much power.
我也可以想象你刚才描述的情况,除了给狗太多的权力之外,没有人做错任何事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Let's assume there's no problem between the couple.
假设这对夫妇之间没有问题。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct.
正确。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
She would like the husband in the bed, perhaps, but the dog is somehow picking up on something.
也许她希望丈夫在床上,但狗不知怎的发现了一些东西。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
No, she said it clearly to me, "I just don't want him on the bed."
不,她明确地对我说,“我只是不想让他躺在床上。”
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The husband?
丈夫?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Okay.
好的。
So there, the dog is basically taking advantage of the open slot.
所以,狗基本上是在利用空位。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's it, and said, "Well, listen, let's say you guys want to spend 20 minutes on the bed, let me show you how to do it."
就是这样,然后说:“好吧,听着,假设你们想在床上呆 20 分钟,让我告诉你们该怎么做。”
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And so that's what I taught the dogs just to wait.
这就是我教狗们要等待的方法。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Wow.
哇。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
But she needed to make sure that she agrees with agreement, commitment, follow through, right?
但她需要确保她同意协议、承诺并坚持到底,对吧?
Nothing can happen without agreement.
未经同意,任何事情都不会发生。
So she needs to be in 100% agreement, otherwise the dog will not do it.
所以她需要百分百同意,否则狗不会这么做。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They really can sense-
他们确实能感觉到——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
any kind of small fraction of hesitance.
任何一小部分的犹豫。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Your energy goes down, they're going to take over.
你的能量下降了,他们就会接管。
Your energy goes up, they're going to move away.
你的能量上升,他们就会离开。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Your energy have to be bigger for you to create the follow.
你的能量必须更大才能创造出追随者。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
If your energy goes down, you follow them.
如果你的能量下降,你就会跟随他们。
Simple as that.
就这么简单。
You just have to remember energy, right?
你只需要记住能量,对吧?
And then if you want to lead, this is the end.
如果你想领导,那就结束了。
Animals.
动物。
You can lead humans, lying to them all day long.
你可以领导人类,却整天对他们撒谎。
But with animals, you can't.
但对于动物来说,你却不能。
You have to bring the perfect energy, the right energy, and energy that belongs to all of us, right?
你必须带来完美的能量、正确的能量、属于我们所有人的能量,对吧?
Your patient energy, your calm energy, your confident energy, your love energy.
你耐心的能量,你平静的能量,你自信的能量,你爱的能量。
We all have that inside of us, right?
我们内心都有这样的东西,对吗?
God gave us all the same thing.
上帝给了我们所有人同样的东西。
Now, it's up to you, do you go from the back of the pack to the front of the pack?
现在,就看你了,你会从队伍的后面走到队伍的前面吗?
That's up to you, right?
这取决于你,对吧?
But you have patience, calmness, confidence, love, joy.
但你有耐心、冷静、自信、爱、快乐。
Because that's how you're going to deal with life, right?
因为这就是你对待生活的方式,对吗?
So with animals, it's a perfect way to maintain this within yourself.
因此,对于动物来说,这是保持这种状态的完美方法。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
It's like a gym, going to the gym every day, right?
就像健身房一样,每天都去健身房吧?
But it's just the gym is Mother Nature, the beach, the streets, whatever.
但健身房、海滩、街道等等都是大自然的一部分。
You're just walking around with dogs in a natural, simple, profound way, and that's it.
你只是以一种自然、简单、深刻的方式与狗一起散步,仅此而已。
And then you go to work.
然后你就去上班。
So imagine if people developed this beautiful habit, okay, I'm going to do what Cesar says, silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy for 30, 40 minutes, and then I'm going to feel the silence, the calmness.
所以想象一下,如果人们养成了这个美好的习惯,好吧,我会按照塞萨尔所说的去做,沉默、平静、自信、爱、快乐30、40分钟,然后我就会感受到沉默、平静。
Then I go to work, right?
那我就去上班吧?
And when I come back, no touching, no talking, eye contact, send my dog back.
当我回来时,不要触摸,不要说话,不要目光接触,把我的狗送回去。
And then I can do the greeting.
然后我就可以打招呼了。
Then I go out for another walk, right?
然后我再出去散步,对吗?
And then you can do the play and explore.
然后你就可以玩耍和探索了。
No bad behavior will happen in your house with that simple formula.
通过这个简单的公式,你的房子里就不会发生任何不良行为。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I love it.
我喜欢它。
I hope that people start to think about their dog and getting a dog as more of a gym, as opposed to, "We're going to get a fur baby." I have a friend, I have to be very careful here.
我希望人们开始考虑他们的狗,并把养狗当作更多的健身房,而不是“我们要养一个毛皮宝宝”。我有一个朋友,我在这里必须非常小心。
This is truly not about my household, but I have a friend, she's married.
这确实与我的家庭无关,但我有一个朋友,她已经结婚了。
They're going through some struggles.
他们正在经历一些挣扎。
They have two kids, and she told me the other day they never had a dog.
他们有两个孩子,前几天她告诉我他们从来没有养过狗。
She's going to get two husky puppies, and I said, "Do me a favor.
她要养两只哈士奇小狗,我说:“帮我一个忙。
Just get one."
就拿一个吧。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
"In six months, if you..." But they want each other, this and that.
“六个月后,如果你……”但他们想要彼此,这样那样。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And the kids are young.
而且孩子们还小。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I know the struggles that they're having, and it's-
我知道他们正在经历的挣扎,而且是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
they're both overworked.
他们都劳累过度了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay.
好的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
They're under-resourced.
他们资源不足。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And they love each other very much, but this is a really hard situation.
他们彼此非常相爱,但这确实是一个艰难的处境。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I'm thinking to myself, I want to be supportive.
我心里想,我想提供支持。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I said, "Do not get a puppy now.
我说:“现在不要养小狗。
And if you do, do not get two puppies."
如果你这样做,就不要养两只小狗。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is insanity.
这太疯狂了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It could break your family.
它可能会破坏你的家庭。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Or she said, "Well, I promised the kids."
或者她说:“好吧,我答应了孩子们。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or break your heart because you have to get rid of the dogs.
或者因为你必须赶走狗而伤心。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It was a story.
这是一个故事。
It's very interesting.
这很有趣。
She said, "When I was growing up, my parents would make these promises, and they wouldn't do it.
她说:“在我成长的过程中,我的父母会做出这些承诺,但他们不会这样做。
And it broke my heart, and I told my kids they could each get one." And I said, "Well, you have no idea the kind of heartbreak they're going to experience-
这让我心碎,我告诉我的孩子们,他们每个人都可以得到一个。”我说:“好吧,你不知道他们会经历怎样的心碎——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
when you have to give them both back-
当你必须把它们都还给你时-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
because one is biting the kid, or one is..."
因为有一只正在咬孩子,或者一只正在……”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And she's like, "Oh, I wouldn't want that."
她说:“哦,我不想那样。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or dragging them.
或者拖着他们。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And I was thinking to myself, "And you're already under-resourced."
我心里想,“而你的资源已经不足了。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I share this because I'm realizing throughout today's conversation, our concept of dogs and what they owe us is completely backwards.
我分享这一点是因为我在今天的谈话中意识到,我们对狗以及它们欠我们的概念完全是倒退的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
She's a very good person.
她是一个非常好的人。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I won't state her profession for sake to-
我不会透露她的职业是为了——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
but she's in a profession of intense service all day long.
但她的职业是整天紧张的服务。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And has.
并且有。
I've known her for more than two decades.
我认识她已有二十多年了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But the concept is these puppies are going to come here and rescue us.
但我们的想法是这些小狗会来这里拯救我们。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is like the-
这就像——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Fulfill-
履行-
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Or fulfill
或满足
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
the dream that I had.
我的梦想。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Prior to with my parents.
之前和父母在一起。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
More love.
更多的爱。
Just more love can't be bad.
只要有更多的爱就不会是坏事。
More love can't be bad.
更多的爱不会是坏事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
And they're huskies, right?
他们是哈士奇,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And they're huskies.
他们是哈士奇。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So this is a breed that love to migrate longer than any other breed in the world, right?
所以这个品种比世界上任何其他品种都更喜欢迁徙,对吗?
So walking is one thing, migration is another.
所以步行是一回事,迁徙又是另一回事。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is why I got a bulldog.
这就是为什么我养了一只斗牛犬。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see?
你看到了吗?
It does.
确实如此。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is why I got a bulldog breed.
这就是为什么我养了一只斗牛犬。
I actually didn't get a purebred bulldog because they have issues.
实际上我没有养纯种斗牛犬,因为它们有问题。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah, they have issues.
是的,他们有问题。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But yeah, a dog that needs to migrate, how much walking do they need per day, ideally?
但是,是的,一只需要迁徙的狗,理想情况下它们每天需要步行多少次?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Hours.
小时。
And especially a pack.
尤其是一包。
So the bigger the pack, the longer the walk.
因此,背包越大,步行的时间就越长。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I know.
我知道。
They both work such crazy hours.
他们俩的工作时间都非常疯狂。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You can also let her know, hey, begin with fostering, so that way they get to know themselves as a family.
你也可以让她知道,嘿,从寄养开始,这样他们就能了解自己作为一个家庭。
Is everybody in agreement?
大家都同意吗?
Does everybody understand what the rules, boundaries, limitations are?
每个人都明白规则、界限和限制是什么吗?
Does everybody understand what the responsibilities are?
大家都明白责任是什么吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Can we all see our good habits and our bad habits?
我们都能看到自己的好习惯和坏习惯吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Do we all follow through?
我们都遵守了吗?
So with a foster dog, you're not adopting it.
所以对于寄养狗来说,你并不是在收养它。
You're just temporarily keeping him in the house.
你只是暂时把他留在家里。
So the dog gets a home and a family.
这样狗就有了家和家人。
It doesn't necessarily have to stay in the house, but the human gets to learn about themselves-
它不一定要留在房子里,但人类可以了解自己——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
before they enter into the purchase or the adoption, right?
在他们进行购买或收养之前,对吧?
So to have two puppies that are huskies, you got to have to purchase them, right?
因此,要拥有两只哈士奇小狗,您必须购买它们,对吧?
And so she's going to go in to make a purchase, and then eventually you realize we were not ready as a family.
所以她要去买东西,然后最终你意识到我们一家人还没有准备好。
In my mind, I was ready But in the whole pack, we're not ready.
在我看来,我已经准备好了,但总的来说,我们还没有准备好。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
And the puppyhood is from birth to eight months.
幼犬期是从出生到八个月。
So in a matter of six months, you have a dog that is this big, who's an adolescent now.
所以在六个月的时间里,你就有了一只这么大的狗,它现在已经是青春期了。
Right?
正确的?
Now you got to think about spay and neuter, because if you don't, then you deal with the hormones, and then they can start fighting with each other.
现在你必须考虑绝育和绝育,因为如果你不这样做,那么你就要处理荷尔蒙,然后它们就会开始互相争斗。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What's your take on spay and neuter?
您对绝育和绝育有何看法?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, in America it's necessary, because dogs are not going to mate.
嗯,在美国这是必要的,因为狗不会交配。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And they spend a lot of time indoor.
他们花了很多时间在室内。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So I neutered Costello.
所以我给科斯特洛绝育了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I put him on testosterone therapy his final two years.
我让他在最后两年接受睾丸激素治疗。
Vets that I knew said, "We would love to be able to do that more, but there are reasons we don't."
我认识的兽医说:“我们很希望能够做得更多,但我们有理由不这么做。”
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
With Strummer, I thought, keep him intact.
我想,对于斯特鲁默来说,让他完好无损。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Then people say, "Oh, but then they're going to mate with all the dogs in the neighborhood." You can also give a dog a vasectomy.
然后人们会说,“哦,但是他们会和附近所有的狗交配。”您还可以给狗进行输精管结扎术。
There's a very easy procedure.
有一个非常简单的程序。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay.
好的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's funny we don't do that.
有趣的是我们不这样做。
I learned that in Australia, it's illegal to not neuter your dog.
我了解到在澳大利亚,不给你的狗绝育是违法的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
In Scandinavia, it's illegal to neuter your dog.
在斯堪的纳维亚半岛,给你的狗绝育是违法的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
To neuter the dog.
给狗绝育。
Yes, right.
是的,没错。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
What in the world is best?
世界上什么是最好的?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Well, it depends on the place, right?
嗯,这取决于地方,对吧?
Because in America, without a doubt, since the dogs don't go out as often, they relied on the human.
因为在美国,毫无疑问,由于狗不经常出去,所以它们依赖于人类。
Dogs in a third world country, they're not neutered, but they're not looking for trouble.
第三世界国家的狗,它们没有绝育,但它们也不会自找麻烦。
They mate when the female gets in heat.
当雌性发情时,它们就会交配。
Otherwise, they're busy looking for food and water.
否则,他们就会忙着寻找食物和水。
So, as long as you use your energy for survival purposes, you're not going to develop frustration.
因此,只要你将精力用于生存目的,你就不会感到沮丧。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So, what happens when a dog is intact and they don't get to walk enough, and they don't get to be challenged enough, and then it all goes into the arouse, and the whole day, they're excited.
那么,当一只狗完好无损,但它们没有足够的行走时间,没有受到足够的挑战时,会发生什么,然后这一切都会引起兴奋,一整天,它们都很兴奋。
And people go, "Oh, baby." The thing comes out, right?
人们会说:“哦,宝贝。”事情就出来了是吗?
And then the dog gets excited.
然后狗就会兴奋起来。
I don't know if you've ever seen it, but I've seen it a lot.
我不知道你是否见过,但我见过很多次。
Dogs humping their owners or dogs humping furniture in the house.
狗撞主人或狗撞房子里的家具。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Costello tried to hump me once.
有一次科斯特洛试图撞我。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It never happened again.
这样的事再也没有发生过。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's a shit-
这真是个狗屎——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I just made it very clear that was not okay, and I used isolation.
我只是明确表示这是不行的,并且我采取了隔离措施。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I just put him back in the thing.
我只是把他放回原处。
I left, came back.
我离开了,又回来了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I sent him the message-
我给他发了消息——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
mentally.
精神上。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Energetically.
精力充沛。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
That's never happening again.
这种事再也不会发生了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It was very stern.
语气非常严厉。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Well, it has to be clear day one.
嗯,第一天就必须清楚。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So that happens on day one, but a lot of times people go, "Oh, no." They more celebrate that, right?
所以这种情况发生在第一天,但很多时候人们会说,“哦,不。”他们更庆祝这一点,对吗?
And so they end up in a celebration, and it end up funny, but the dog end up becoming more and more aroused about the humans.
所以他们最终进行了一次庆祝,结果很有趣,但狗最终对人类变得越来越兴奋。
So now he's mounting, which as you know, is a sexual and is dominance-
所以现在他正在上位,正如你所知,这是一种性行为,也是一种统治——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
behavior towards the human.
对人类的行为。
So, in America, definitely a dog needs to be neutered more often.
所以,在美国,狗肯定需要更频繁地绝育。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Okay.
好的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Plus, we have an overpopulation.
另外,我们人口过剩。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Millions of dogs die every year, because there's an overpopulation problem, and that's taxpayer money who pays for the killing of dogs.
每年有数百万只狗死亡,因为存在人口过剩问题,而纳税人的钱却用来支付杀狗的费用。
So it's important that we regulate-
所以我们监管很重要——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
that through.
那个通过。
That's the only way you can regulate that.
这是你可以调节的唯一方法。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I see these crazy things on Instagram.
我在 Instagram 上看到了这些疯狂的事情。
Someone says, "When you pet your dog, it should be slow.
有人说:“当你抚摸你的狗时,它应该慢慢来。
No, when you pet your dog, you should rub." I'm guessing, doesn't matter, it's the energy behind it.
不,当你抚摸你的狗时,你应该摩擦。”我猜,没关系,重要的是它背后的能量。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You obviously don't want to push against the fur, but somebody was saying, "All people are petting their dog too fast.
你显然不想推它的皮毛,但有人说:“所有人都太快地抚摸他们的狗了。
They don't like that." Is this just people making stuff up?
他们不喜欢这样。”这只是人们胡编乱造的吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Look, so if a dog is doing agility, and the dog is excited because he's doing agility, pet him hard, pet him fast because you want him like that.
听着,如果一只狗正在表现敏捷,并且它因为表现敏捷而感到兴奋,请用力抚摸他,快速地抚摸他,因为你希望他那样。
But if you want the dog to be in a restaurant, pet himself.
但如果你想让狗在餐馆里,那就抚摸自己吧。
So it's dependent what you want the mind to feel.
所以这取决于你想要头脑感受到什么。
You see what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗?
You don't want to pet fast in a restaurant, and slow in agility.
你不想在餐厅里快速地抚摸,而在敏捷性上却缓慢。
So it's not the action, it's what are you petting.
所以这不是动作,而是你在抚摸什么。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Makes total sense.
完全有道理。
I mean, a soft, slow, calm.
我的意思是,柔和、缓慢、平静。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Calm again.
再次平静。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Restaurant means calm.
餐厅意味着平静。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Agility means, "Go for it!
敏捷意味着:“全力以赴!
Good job.
干得好。
Yeah, go for it!"
是啊,去吧!”
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's like what FIFA is doing right now.
这就像国际足联现在正在做的事情。
Everybody's excited.
每个人都很兴奋。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Nobody's like...
没有人像...
You see this?
你看到这个了吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
With barking, I learned from your book, when he was a puppy, he could let it out.
通过吠叫,我从你的书中了解到,当他还是小狗的时候,他可以把它放出来。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And the temptation is to say, "No," but why would you shout back to a dog that's vocalizing?
你很可能会说“不”,但你为什么要对着一只发声的狗大喊大叫呢?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So I would just walk away, and then when he was quiet, I'd come back.
所以我就走开,然后当他安静下来时,我就会回来。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
There you go.
就这样吧。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And then pretty soon he realized nobody wants to be around a barking dog.
很快他就意识到没有人愿意和一只狂吠的狗在一起。
And somehow he knew instinctually-
不知怎的,他本能地知道——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
that if there was a threat, or he sensed a threat, a bark, he only would bark once.
如果有威胁,或者他感觉到威胁,有吠叫,他只会吠一次。
He had this .
他有这个。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He had this like-
他有这样的——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I mean, man, he was a beautiful specimen-
我的意思是,伙计,他是一个美丽的标本——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
I have to say.
我不得不说。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
He was just so beautiful.
他真是太漂亮了。
But his barks were like a bass drum.
但他的叫声就像低音鼓一样。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it was one.
但这是一个。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But he would never just sit there and bark.
但他绝不会只是坐在那里吠叫。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I think a lot of people, their dog barks, and they talk to their dog.
我想很多人,他们的狗会吠叫,他们会和他们的狗说话。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right.
对。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
So presumably-
所以想必——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right
右
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
the dog is barking because that's what gets them some sort of feedback, attention.
狗吠叫是因为这能让它们得到某种反馈和关注。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
Or the dog, it's also his only way to drain energy.
还是狗,这也是他消耗能量的唯一方式。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
When my dog obsessively bark, how often do you walk?
当我的狗着迷地吠叫时,你多久走路一次?
"Once a week.
“每周一次。
Twice a week." Or whatever.
每周两次。”或者无论如何。
So the barking becomes a way of draining energy.
因此,吠叫成为一种消耗能量的方式。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Or destroying your house.
或者毁掉你的房子。
A destructive behavior.
一种破坏性行为。
Why would a dog destroy where he sleep?
为什么狗会破坏他睡觉的地方?
Well, because he doesn't do much with his body and his mind, so he has to drain that energy, and that's what we call destructive behavior.
嗯,因为他对自己的身体和思想没有做太多事情,所以他必须耗尽能量,这就是我们所说的破坏性行为。
But people don't understand that we're, in a way, practicing destructive behavior by not doing what we're supposed to be doing, which is walking the dog every single day.
但人们不明白,在某种程度上,我们通过不做我们应该做的事情,即每天遛狗,来练习破坏性行为。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The moment they wake up in the morning, they stretch, and the second thing they want to do is walk.
他们早上醒来的那一刻,就会伸展身体,第二件事就是走路。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Should you wait for your dog to get up?
你应该等你的狗起床吗?
What if you have to go to work?
如果你必须去上班怎么办?
Should you force your dog to wake up and walk?
你应该强迫你的狗醒来走路吗?
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
I certainly would.
我当然会的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They're daytime animals, so the biology is definitely, as soon as the sun comes out-
它们是白天的动物,所以生物学上肯定是,只要太阳一出来——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
they should go.
他们应该走。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
They should go.
他们应该走了。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is what we do with Strummer, even though bulldog, they'll sleep till 10:00 AM, but we have to work, so we take them out.
这就是我们对 Strummer 所做的事情,即使是斗牛犬,它们也会睡到上午 10:00,但我们必须工作,所以我们把它们带出去。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
No, take care of it.
不,照顾好它。
It's easier.
更容易了。
It's actually better, right?
实际上更好,对吧?
Because it's easy, like, "Oh, I got to..." But then you drain the energy quicker.
因为这很容易,就像,“哦,我必须……”但是你会更快地耗尽能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
It's way better because you want them to stay waiting for you in a resting state.
这更好,因为您希望他们在休息状态下等您。
So it's five body motions the animals do.
所以这是动物所做的五种身体动作。
They stretch as soon as they wake up, right?
他们一醒来就伸展身体,对吗?
Walk, run, rest, sleep.
走路、跑步、休息、睡觉。
So a lot of times when you don't walk the dog or run the dog, and you want the dog to wait for you, he can't go into a resting state.
所以很多时候当你不遛狗、不跑狗的时候,你想让狗等你,他就无法进入休息状态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So it's very important that we follow the five body motions, because every single animal, as soon as they wake up, they stretch.
因此,我们遵循五种身体动作非常重要,因为每只动物一醒来就会伸展身体。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
The bird flies, right?
小鸟会飞,对吗?
And the dog walks, and the rest of the animals, the water animals, they swim, right?
狗会走路,而其他动物,水生动物,它们会游泳,对吗?
So there is a formula that they have.
所以他们有一个公式。
So if we want them to wait for us, we have to leave them in a resting state.
因此,如果我们想让它们等待我们,我们就必须让它们处于休息状态。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And that's the meaning of waiting state.
这就是等待状态的意义。
That's it.
就是这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
But they can't wait or rest if the body and the mind has not been drained.
但如果身体和精神还没有耗尽,他们就不能等待或休息。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
And another reason why the walk is so important, because the walk is the only activity from play and explore that gives them calm surrender.
步行如此重要的另一个原因是,步行是玩耍和探索中唯一能让他们平静投降的活动。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Play and explore gives them an excited energy.
玩耍和探索给他们带来兴奋的能量。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Do you recommend walking them on the same path, novel path, giving them new-
你是否建议让他们走同一条路,新颖的路,给他们新的——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
In the beginning, yes, then the same path is important.
一开始,是的,那么同样的道路很重要。
They create trust to the environment.
他们建立对环境的信任。
But once they know it very well, you have to change it.
但一旦他们非常了解,你就必须改变它。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
And you don't have to change, like even going in a different direction.
而且你不必改变,甚至不必朝不同的方向前进。
You can just come outside and put food in the floor and tempt the dog to want to smell and correct them.
你可以走到外面,把食物放在地板上,引诱狗去闻并纠正它们。
So that creates a challenge.
这就带来了挑战。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Hmm.
嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So you learn to ignore food in the floor, and you see it?
所以你学会了忽略地板上的食物,你看到了吗?
So you start creating your own universal studios.
所以你开始创建自己的环球影城。
So your whole house or your whole environment becomes your own dog psychology center, where you're challenging your dog to not get bored.
因此,您的整个房子或整个环境都成为您自己的狗心理中心,您可以在那里挑战您的狗不要感到无聊。
Because they learn a pattern really fast, and once they learn it, there is no growth.
因为他们学习一种模式的速度非常快,一旦他们学会了,就没有成长。
So then the mind gets also frustrated, bored, or confused because there's no growth.
因此,由于没有成长,头脑也会变得沮丧、无聊或困惑。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I love it.
我喜欢它。
I trained Strummer to run on the treadmill.
我训练斯特鲁默在跑步机上跑步。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
For little rewards here-
在这里获得一点奖励——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and there, intermittent reinforcement.
在那里,间歇性强化。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And he loves it.
他喜欢它。
He runs now.
他现在跑了。
He jumps on.
他跳了上去。
He gets on that thing.
他开始做那件事。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It never occurred to me to do this, but I realized that we're in California, it doesn't rain too often, but-
我从来没想过要这么做,但我意识到我们在加利福尼亚州,下雨的次数并不多,但是——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
even when it rains, I want to have something where I can-
即使下雨,我也想在可以的地方拥有一些东西——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Correct
正确
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
get his energy out.
把他的能量拿出来。
If there's fires again, and I want to be outside because-
如果再次发生火灾,我想出去,因为-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
anyway.
无论如何。
So glad to hear that the treadmill is okay.
很高兴听到跑步机没问题。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You know the first treadmill I saw, remember the show "The Jetsons?"
你知道我看到的第一台跑步机,还记得电视剧《杰森一家》吗?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
With Astro.
与阿斯特罗。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
With George Jetson.
和乔治·杰森一起。
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That was the first dog I ever seen on a treadmill, and I was a kid.
那是我在跑步机上见过的第一只狗,当时我还是个孩子。
Then I come to America, and I see a whole bunch of treadmills- ...
然后我来到美国,我看到了一大堆跑步机——......
in people's garage.
在人们的车库里。
And I say, "Do you ever put your dog on a treadmill?" They say, "No." "Can you put a dog on a treadmill?" I learned that by watching "The Jetsons."
我说:“你曾经让你的狗在跑步机上跑步吗?”他们说:“不。” “你能把狗放在跑步机上吗?”我是通过观看《杰森一家》了解到这一点的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Oh, very cool.
哦,非常酷。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Then I came-
然后我来了——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Very cool
非常酷
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
and practiced it in America because people just had the treadmill, but they were not using it.
在美国也进行了练习,因为人们只有跑步机,但他们并没有使用它。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Wow.
哇。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
So that's when I started putting dogs on the treadmill.
所以从那时起我开始让狗在跑步机上跑步。
Ba, ba, ba.
巴,巴,巴。
And people were just fascinated.
人们只是着迷。
But I say, "Listen, this is not for you to stay lazy."
但我说:“听着,这不是让你偷懒的。”
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Right.
对。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
"This is just for emergencies."
“这只是为了紧急情况。”
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Okay?
好吧?
And for you to challenge the mind, and that's it.
让你挑战思想,仅此而已。
But it's not so you don't walk.
但事实并非如此,你不走路。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
I do a walk with him, then bring him back, and then if he still has a lot of energy and I have to go, I get him going fast on an incline.
我和他一起散步,然后把他带回来,然后如果他仍然有很多精力而我必须走,我会让他在斜坡上快速走动。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yep.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Get him right to his threshold, and then play with it a little bit.
让他到达他的门槛,然后玩一点。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's right.
没错。
That's correct.
这是正确的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
We're done.
我们完成了。
I've been trying to share this thing-
我一直在尝试分享这件事-
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
with him, like this is our thing.
和他在一起,就像这是我们的事一样。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
And now he loves the treadmill.
现在他喜欢上了跑步机。
He'll be dying to get on the treadmill.
他会非常想上跑步机。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
See, people become more like personal trainers-
看,人们变得更像私人教练了——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
that will challenge the dogs a lot more like a personal trainer.
这将像私人教练一样对狗提出更大的挑战。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You see it?
你看到了吗?
So they will be able to challenge the mind and challenge the body, challenge the mind, challenge the body.
所以他们将能够挑战思想,挑战身体,挑战思想,挑战身体。
Da, da, da.
达,达,达。
It's a personal trainer, right?
这是私人教练,对吧?
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
But people don't do it.
但人们不这样做。
They don't do these other titles, right?
他们不做这些其他的标题,对吧?
"I just want to be a dog lover," or the mom of this dog, or the father of this dog.
“我只想成为一名爱狗人士”,或者这只狗的妈妈,或者这只狗的爸爸。
Yeah, you can also be a coach.
是的,你也可以当教练。
You can also be a religious coach.
你也可以成为一名宗教教练。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗?
Or a spiritual coach, intellectual coach.
或者是精神教练、智力教练。
Don't forget there is four worlds.
别忘了有四个世界。
It's not just the emotional world-
这不仅仅是情感世界——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
and that's the only one you want to practice, because that's the easiest one.
这是你唯一想要练习的一项,因为那是最简单的一项。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
To love a dog is so easy.
爱一只狗就是这么简单。
To challenge him spiritually and instinctually and intellectually, that requires creativity.
要在精神上、本能上和智力上挑战他,这需要创造力。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
That's a great relationship with a dog.
与狗的关系非常好。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
It's an awesome relationship.
这是一种很棒的关系。
It's good for you.
这对你有好处。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Yeah.
是的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Because if the dog is doing great, that means you did great.
因为如果狗做得很好,那就意味着你做得很好。
So it's a reflection of you, right?
所以这是你的反映,对吗?
The dog is a reflection of you, your energy, your philosophy, your actions.
狗是你、你的能量、你的哲学和你的行动的反映。
So every time you work out with a dog, you're working out with yourself.
所以每次你和狗一起锻炼时,你都是在和你自己一起锻炼。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
It's just in a natural, simple, profound way.
这是一种自然、简单、深刻的方式。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's it, which is about trust, respect, love.
就是这样,这就是信任、尊重、爱。
Faith, peace, love.
信仰、和平、爱。
Body, mind, heart.
身体、思想、心灵。
Just simple stuff, right?
只是简单的事情,对吧?
And that creates the off leash.
这就创造了摆脱束缚。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That is the ultimate we should all accomplish.
这是我们所有人都应该实现的终极目标。
And you shouldn't pay for it, right?
而且你不应该为此付费,对吗?
I'm not trying to get my colleagues, the dog trainers, not to get jobs but it's kind of silly that you hire somebody to teach your dog off leash.
我并不是想让我的同事、训狗师不要找工作,但雇人来教你的狗摆脱皮带,这有点愚蠢。
You earn that.
你赚到了。
That's something we have to earn.
这是我们必须赢得的东西。
It's good for us-
这对我们有好处——
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
...
...
to earn that trust, that respect, that love.
赢得信任、尊重、爱。
It's good.
很好。
It's a good exercise, a good workout.
这是一次很好的锻炼,一次很好的锻炼。
That means you use your spirit, your instinct, your heart, and your mind every single day of life.
这意味着你在生活的每一天都要运用你的精神、你的本能、你的心灵和你的思想。
That's why that dog behaves that way.
这就是为什么那只狗有这样的行为。
You see it?
你看到了吗?
They keep you on track.
他们让你保持正轨。
Just to live a natural, simple, profound life.
只为过一种自然、简单、深刻的生活。
And when you're having a hard time in life, that's where you want to go.
当你在生活中遇到困难时,那就是你想去的地方。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
To your natural, simple, profound.
给你自然、简单、深刻。
Never let this one go.
永远不要放过这个。
So to have a good relationship with a dog is automatically let you have a good relationship with God.
因此,与狗建立良好的关系就自然而然地让你与上帝建立良好的关系。
They're together.
他们在一起了。
We're the only one that separates them.
我们是唯一将他们分开的人。
We're the only one that separates everything to create chaos.
我们是唯一一个将一切分开并制造混乱的人。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
We make a lot of things up.
我们编造了很多事情。
What I'm hearing today over and over is that if you obey the spirit, you obey the instincts, ours and these animals', dogs in this case, and you put that first, then all the other stuff about bad, not bad, pet, not pet, all the other stuff falls into place.
我今天一遍又一遍地听到的是,如果你服从精神,你服从本能,我们和这些动物的本能,在这种情况下是狗的,你把它放在第一位,然后所有其他关于坏的,不坏的,宠物的,不是宠物的,所有其他的东西都会就位。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But it's a moment-to-moment thing.
但这是一个瞬间的事情。
It's a daily thing.
这是日常的事情。
There isn't a, "Well, I love my dog.
没有“嗯,我爱我的狗。
It loves me." That's a story-
它爱我。”那是一个故事——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
that's partially true, but there's actually, if I'm ...
这部分是正确的,但实际上,如果我......
editorialize a little bit, there's actually a fair amount of abuse of the animal in that situation.
稍微编辑一下,在这种情况下实际上存在相当多的虐待动物的行为。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yes.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
It's very self-serving.
这是非常自私的。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
There's abuse of the animal.
存在虐待动物的情况。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But when we align all those things, and we start from spirit-
但当我们把所有这些事情结合起来,我们从精神开始——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
it all kind of falls into place.
一切都水到渠成。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
But we have to be vigilant, and we have to basically train ourselves.
但我们必须保持警惕,我们必须从根本上训练自己。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
This is all about training ourselves.
这一切都是为了训练我们自己。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's why I train humans, rehabilitate dogs.
这就是我训练人类、康复狗的原因。
That's my job.
这就是我的工作。
I train humans, rehabilitate dogs.
我训练人类,让狗康复。
You don't have to have a dog to talk to me because learning how to be with a dog is learning how to be in life, period.
你不必养狗才能跟我说话,因为学习如何与狗相处就是学习如何生活,就这样。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
It's good for you to be a pack member, a good pack member at home.
成为一名狼群成员对你有好处,成为家里的一名好狼群成员。
You need to know what is your position and just contribute to the family, right?
你要清楚自己的定位,为家庭做出贡献,对吗?
And bring good energy, good philosophy, good action, even if you're in the back of the pack, or the middle of the pack, or the front of the pack.
并带来良好的能量、良好的理念、良好的行动,即使你处于队伍的后面、中间或前面。
It's not only the front of the pack that has to have good energy.
不仅仅是前排必须拥有良好的能量。
It's because he's in that position, he has to be the fittest.
因为他在那个位置上,他就必须是最适合的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Right?
对吗?
Fittest not only physically, but spiritually, instinctually, emotionally, and mentally, with the body to take care of all those four energies, right?
不仅在身体上,而且在精神上、本能上、情感上和精神上都最适合,让身体照顾所有这四种能量,对吗?
So otherwise, it doesn't matter what position you are in the pack.
所以除此之外,你在群体中的位置并不重要。
Bring good energy, good philosophy, good actions.
带来好的能量、好的理念、好的行动。
Right?
正确的?
And one way that you can achieve this every single day is having a great relationship with a dog.
每天实现这一目标的方法之一就是与狗建立良好的关系。
It just makes you a good human.
它只会让你成为一个好人。
Everybody wins that way.
每个人都以这种方式获胜。
It's not about training the dog, it's about training the human to be a good human, right?
这不是训练狗,而是训练人成为一个好人,对吧?
And then that human is going to have good everything, because that's what his energy and philosophy and actions are all about.
然后那个人就会拥有美好的一切,因为这就是他的能量、哲学和行动的全部意义所在。
So imagine if the world is led by good humans.
所以想象一下,如果世界是由好人领导的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Yeah, that's a beautiful image.
是的,那是一个美丽的画面。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Well, Cesar, I am immensely grateful for you coming here today.
好吧,塞萨尔,我非常感谢你今天来到这里。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
You are incredibly knowledgeable, incredibly wise.
你知识渊博,智慧非凡。
Your energy is tangible from the moment somebody meets you.
从有人见到你的那一刻起,你的能量就变得有形。
It's a real thing.
这是真实的事情。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
I can say that, having experienced it in the room.
我可以这么说,因为我在房间里经历过。
I'm sure people listening are hearing it and feeling it as well.
我相信听的人都听到并且感受到了。
You also have an incredible relationship to the spiritual of animals and humans-
你与动物和人类的精神也有着令人难以置信的关系——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Mm-hmm
嗯嗯
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and a real, what I hear as, a wish for humanity-
以及我所听到的对人类的真实愿望——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah
是啊
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
and for animals, and your relationship to the things that are timeless.
对于动物,以及你与永恒事物的关系。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Yeah.
是的。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
The past, the present, what happens next.
过去,现在,接下来会发生什么。
It's really incredible.
实在是太不可思议了。
I said it before, I'll say it again, three different ways for the multigenerational purpose of it.
我之前说过,我会再说一遍,以三种不同的方式来实现多代人的目的。
You're the man, you're also incredibly wise, and you're a virtuoso of bringing together information in practical ways that people can, not just learn how to take care of their dog and themselves better, but, as you pointed out, be a better human.
你是男人,你也非常聪明,你是一位以实用的方式汇集信息的大师,人们不仅可以学习如何更好地照顾他们的狗和自己,而且正如你指出的那样,成为一个更好的人。
So-
所以——
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
That's it
就是这样
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
...
...
you're a special one.
你是一位特别的人。
Thank you so much.
太感谢了。
Cesar Millan:
塞萨尔·米兰:
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Andrew Huberman:
安德鲁·休伯曼:
Thank you for joining me for today's discussion with Cesar Millan.
感谢您参加今天与塞萨尔·米兰的讨论。
To learn more about his work, please see the links in the show note caption.
要了解有关他的作品的更多信息,请参阅演出注释标题中的链接。
If you're learning from and/or enjoying this podcast, please subscribe to our YouTube channel.
如果您正在学习和/或喜欢此播客,请订阅我们的 YouTube 频道。
That's a terrific zero-cost way to support us.
这是支持我们的绝佳零成本方式。
In addition, please follow the podcast by clicking the follow button on both Spotify and Apple.
此外,请通过单击 Spotify 和 Apple 上的关注按钮来关注播客。
And on both Spotify and Apple, you can leave us up to a five-star review.
在 Spotify 和 Apple 上,您都可以给我们五星级的评价。
And you can now leave us comments at both Spotify and Apple.
您现在可以在 Spotify 和 Apple 上给我们留下评论。
Please also check out the sponsors mentioned at the beginning and throughout today's episode.
另请查看今天节目开头和整个节目中提到的赞助商。
That's the best way to support this podcast.
这是支持这个播客的最佳方式。
If you have questions for me or comments about the podcast or guests or topics that you'd like me to consider for the Huberman Lab Podcast, please put those in the comments section on YouTube.
如果您对我有疑问,或者对播客、嘉宾或您希望我考虑在 Huberman 实验室播客中讨论的主题有意见,请将这些意见放入 YouTube 的评论部分。
I do read all the comments.
我确实阅读了所有评论。
For those of you that haven't heard, I have a new book coming out.
对于那些还没有听说过的人,我即将出版一本新书。
It's my very first book.
这是我的第一本书。
It's entitled "Protocols: An Operating Manual for the Human Body." This is a book that I've been working on for more than five years, and that's based on more than 30 years of research and experience.
它的标题是“协议:人体操作手册”。这本书是我花了五年多时间编写的,它基于 30 多年的研究和经验。
And it covers protocols for everything from sleep, to exercise, to stress control, protocols related to focus and motivation, and of course, I provide the scientific substantiation for the protocols that are included.
它涵盖了从睡眠、锻炼、压力控制、与注意力和动机相关的各个方面的协议,当然,我还为所包含的协议提供了科学依据。
The book is now available by presale at protocolsbook.com.
该书现已在protocolbook.com 上预售。
There you can find links to various vendors.
在那里您可以找到各个供应商的链接。
You can pick the one that you like best.
您可以选择您最喜欢的一个。
Again, the book is called "Protocols: An Operating Manual for the Human Body." And if you're not already following me on social media, I am hubermanlab on all social media platforms.
同样,这本书的名字是“协议:人体操作手册”。如果您还没有在社交媒体上关注我,我是所有社交媒体平台上的 hubermanlab。
So that's Instagram, X, Threads, Facebook, and LinkedIn.
这就是 Instagram、X、Threads、Facebook 和 LinkedIn。
And on all those platforms, I discuss science and science-related tools, some of which overlaps with the content of the Huberman Lab Podcast, but much of which is distinct from the information on the Huberman Lab Podcast.
在所有这些平台上,我讨论科学和与科学相关的工具,其中一些与胡伯曼实验室播客的内容重叠,但其中大部分与胡伯曼实验室播客上的信息不同。
Again, it's hubermanlab on all social media platforms.
再说一遍,所有社交媒体平台上都是 hubermanlab。
And if you haven't already subscribed to our Neural Network Newsletter, the Neural Network Newsletter is a zero-cost monthly newsletter that includes podcast summaries as well as what we call protocols in the form of one to three-page PDFs that cover everything from how to optimize your sleep, how to optimize dopamine, deliberate cold exposure.
如果您还没有订阅我们的神经网络时事通讯,神经网络时事通讯是一份零成本的月度时事通讯,其中包括播客摘要以及我们所说的一到三页 PDF 形式的协议,涵盖从如何优化睡眠、如何优化多巴胺、故意冷暴露等所有内容。
We have a foundational fitness protocol that covers cardiovascular training and resistance training.
我们有一个基本的健身方案,涵盖心血管训练和阻力训练。
All of that is available completely zero cost.
所有这些都是完全零成本可用的。
You simply go to hubermanlab.com, go to the Menu tab in the top right corner, scroll down to Newsletter, and enter your email.
您只需访问 hubermanlab.com,转到右上角的“菜单”选项卡,向下滚动到新闻通讯,然后输入您的电子邮件即可。
And I should emphasize that we do not share your email with anybody.
我要强调的是,我们不会与任何人分享您的电子邮件。
Thank you once again for joining me for today's discussion with Cesar Millan.
再次感谢您参加今天与塞萨尔·米兰的讨论。
And last, but certainly not least, thank you for your interest in science.
最后但同样重要的是,感谢您对科学的兴趣。
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演讲者3:
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