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Prologue Ira Glass Pierre is 10, and he practices in matches of the Stateway Park Gladiators, his community boxing team.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯·皮埃尔 (Ira Glass Pierre) 10 岁，他在社区拳击队 Stateway Park Gladiators 的比赛中练习。
At the end of a fight, if Pierre needs that extra boost, he has a special technique.
在战斗结束时，如果皮埃尔需要额外的动力，他有一种特殊的技术。
He says he got it thinking about the cartoon, The Incredible Hulk.
他说他想到了动画片《无敌浩克》。
Because I was thinking about the Hulk when [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
因为我在[无法理解]的时候想到了绿巨人。
So Incredible Hulk, throw you down and stuff.
所以无敌浩克，把你摔倒之类的。
He go wild and stuff.
他变得狂野起来。
When he spars, here's what happens.
当他打架时，会发生以下情况。
His buddies on the team, led by Coach Frank Smith, start chanting.
他的队友们在弗兰克·史密斯教练的带领下开始高呼口号。
Hulk time, baby.
浩克时间，宝贝。
Team Member Hulk time, baby.
团队成员绿巨人时间，宝贝。
He's getting mad.
他要生气了。
Uh oh.
呃哦。
Hulk time, baby.
浩克时间，宝贝。
And then Pierre, in the middle of the ring, starts to shake.
然后，在擂台中央的皮埃尔开始颤抖。
His whole body vibrates.
他的整个身体都在颤抖。
His head lowers.
他低下头。
His eyes get glassy.
他的眼睛变得呆滞。
He transforms from a loser into somebody who dominates with punches, with a crazy flurry of hitting.
他从一个失败者变成了一个以拳击为主的人，通过疯狂的打击。
I started hitting him so hard when I get mad, thinking I was going to lose.
当我生气的时候，我开始用力打他，以为我会输。
And I turn to Hulk.
我转向浩克。
I look all wild, silly.
我看起来很狂野，很傻。
When I get to punching, there ain't going to be no taps.
当我开始出拳的时候，就不会没有拍子了。
It's going to be hard, like real fighting people.
这会很困难，就像真正的战斗人员一样。
And they winning belts and stuff.
他们赢得了腰带之类的东西。
A guy named Max Kellerman, who does this public access TV show called, Max on Boxing, told me this story.
一个名叫马克斯·凯勒曼（Max Kellerman）的人告诉我这个故事，他主持了一个名为《马克斯拳击》的公共电视节目。
He said that in Muhammad Ali's biography, Ali said that when he was hit really hard in the ring, he would enter this room in his mind.
他说，在穆罕默德·阿里的传记中，阿里说，当他在拳击场上受到重击时，他会在脑海中进入这个房间。
A room he says that all boxers enter when they're beaten hard enough.
他说所有拳击手在被殴打得足够厉害时都会进入这个房间。
And on the wall of the room were these masks.
房间的墙上挂着这些面具。
And at some point, Ali had a fight where he took a real pounding and he entered the room and he looked around at the masks and he realized that he could put one of the masks on.
在某个时刻，阿里打了一场架，他受到了真正的重击，他进入房间，环顾四周的面具，他意识到他可以戴上其中一个面具。
So he did and he says that's how he was able to last the round.
所以他做到了，他说这就是他能够坚持这一轮的方式。
It's the most natural thing in the world to punch someone in the face.
打别人的脸是世界上最自然的事情。
And it's also the most unnatural.
而且这也是最不自然的。
You have to psych up.
你必须打起精神。
You have to transform yourself.
你必须改变自己。
You have to do something to become the person who could put himself or herself straight into danger and throw the punch.
你必须做点什么，才能成为一个能够将自己置于危险之中并出拳的人。
And then, once you become that person, once you become that, then who are you?
然后，一旦你成为那个人，一旦你成为那个人，那么你是谁？
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Throwing the First Punch.
今天我们的节目《打出第一拳》。
And who you become when you're able to throw the first punch.
当你能够打出第一拳时，你就会成为什么样的人。
And how hard it is to stop being the person who throws the first punch.
想要不再成为第一个出拳的人是多么困难。
Round One, I Would Probably Slug Jesus, A nice guy from Brooklyn explains why he loved to fight in bars and how hard it is to stop.
第一轮，我可能会打耶稣，一位来自布鲁克林的好人解释了他为什么喜欢在酒吧里打架，以及阻止它是多么困难。
Round Two, To Boldly Go Where No Woman Has Gone Before, the story of someone who finds the thing that means more to her than anything in the world is boxing and why she has to give it up.
第二轮，大胆地去没有女人去过的地方，讲述了一个人发现拳击对她来说比世界上任何事情都更重要的事情，以及她为什么必须放弃它的故事。
Round Three, Fighting Is Work, A man who, at 2:30 in the morning in a club in Chicago, takes on all comers, and beats them, and well and why for him it's just a job.
第三轮，战斗就是工作，一个男人在凌晨 2:30 在芝加哥的一个俱乐部里，与所有来者较量，并击败了他们，好吧，为什么对他来说这只是一份工作。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Round One.
第一轮。
Manny Howard grew up in Brooklyn in a working class Irish enclave.
曼尼·霍华德在布鲁克林的爱尔兰工人阶级飞地长大。
He learned to fight with the other kids there.
他学会了和那里的其他孩子打架。
And he loved fighting, saw himself as a bully.
他喜欢打架，认为自己是一个恶霸。
He was such a committed fighter that when he got older he became the first person to get suspended from Vassar College for fighting.
他是一位忠诚的拳击手，当他长大后，他成为第一个因拳击而被瓦萨学院停学的人。
And now he's trying to stop.
现在他正试图阻止。
He's trying to stop being the one who always throws a punch.
他试图不再成为那个总是挥拳的人。
But moving from that world into the world that most of us inhabit isn't easy.
但从那个世界进入我们大多数人居住的世界并不容易。
He spoke with Paul Tough.
他与保罗·图赫进行了交谈。
Heidi takes a cab ride home every night, which is $8.50.
海蒂每晚乘坐出租车回家，费用为 8.50 美元。
And we took this ride that ended up being $11.00.
我们坐了这趟车，最终花费了 11 美元。
Clearly the meter was fast and I said to the guy, give me the receipt.
显然计价器很快，我对那个人说，给我收据。
I'm not going to pay for the ride.
我不会付车费。
And he said, oh, I knew the meter was fast.
他说，哦，我知道计价器很快。
I meant to get that fixed.
我本想解决这个问题。
One thing led to another and I basically snapped and grabbed him and folded him up.
一件事接二连三，我基本上抓起他并把他折叠起来。
He was outside of the cab and I was outside of the cab and I threw him inside the cab and slammed the door on his legs and he drove away.
他在驾驶室外面，我在驾驶室外面，我把他扔进驾驶室，用他的腿关上车门，然后他开走了。
So was it like a standoff sort of thing where the two of you were standing outside the cab sort of shoving each other?
那么，你们两个站在出租车外互相推搡，这是否像是一种对峙之类的事情？
Yeah, you pay me.
是的，你付钱给我。
You pay me.
你付钱给我。
No, I won't pay you.
不，我不会付钱给你。
You pay me no. No, I won't pay you.
你付钱给我不。不，我不会付钱给你。
And then he said that I was an enemy of the people.
然后他说我是人民的敌人。
Which, since he was ripping me off, seemed like a pretty outrageous claim.
既然他在敲诈我，这似乎是一个相当令人愤慨的说法。
But I snapped, and I just charged him.
但我突然生气了，直接冲他冲了过去。
That's a failing on my part.
这是我的失败。
I should be able to take his number and complain to the Taxi and Limousine Commission and take him to court, do it the right way.
我应该能够拿走他的电话号码，向出租车和豪华轿车委员会投诉，并将他告上法庭，以正确的方式去做。
There's always a way out of a fight.
总有办法摆脱争斗。
You were with your wife and you were with another guy.
你和你的妻子在一起，你和另一个男人在一起。
And how did the two of them react?
而两人的反应又如何呢？
Sam loved it, and Heidi hated it.
萨姆喜欢它，而海蒂讨厌它。
Heidi walked away.
海蒂走开了。
Did she give you a hard time?
她让你为难了吗？
Manny Howard Oh, yeah.
曼尼·霍华德 噢，是的。
I had to sleep out of the house.
我不得不睡在屋外。
I had to go around the corner, sleep at my mom's house.
我不得不绕过拐角，睡在妈妈家。
Arguably, a fair punishment.
可以说，这是一个公平的惩罚。
I remember being a little kid and running away from a fight and being terrified and being blind and running and running and running and running.
我记得当我还是个小孩子的时候，我从一场战斗中逃跑，我感到害怕，我失明了，我一直跑啊跑啊跑啊跑。
And it occurred to me that if people-- it's like playground fighting, but it's pretty traumatic when you're a little kid.
我突然想到，如果人们——这就像操场上打架一样，但当你还是个小孩子的时候，这会带来很大的创伤。
Somebody chasing you around threatening to beat you over the head and you're just terrified about what-- you're not sure exactly what it is except that somebody said they're going to beat you over the head.
有人追着你，威胁要打你的头，而你只是害怕什么——你不知道到底是什么，只是有人说他们要打你的头。
So you run and you run and you run and you hope that you never get caught.
所以你跑呀跑呀，希望永远不要被抓住。
And then, if you do get caught, you get a beating on the head.
然后，如果你被抓住了，你的头就会受到殴打。
It's more humiliating than it is hurtful.
这比伤害更令人羞辱。
But at some point you decide, well, I'm not going to be the guy being chased in the playground.
但在某个时刻，你决定，好吧，我不会成为操场上被追赶的人。
I'm going to do the chasing.
我要去追了
It's as much to avoid the humiliation of having to run away as it is really enjoying doling it out.
这既是为了避免不得不逃跑的耻辱，也是为了真正享受施予的乐趣。
Although you quickly learn to enjoy being a bully.
尽管你很快就会学会享受成为恶霸的乐趣。
But you're saying there was a moment where you made that decision for yourself?
但你是说有那么一刻你为自己做出了这个决定？
Yeah, I thought if you can choose to be the guy throwing the beating, then you might as well be that guy instead of the guy getting the beating.
是的，我想如果你可以选择成为那个殴打的人，那么你也可能成为那个人而不是被殴打的人。
The things that I learned early on were you prepare for a fight way ahead of time.
我早期学到的东西是提前为战斗做好准备。
If you're going to go out at night, you wear big shoes because you end up on the floor getting dragged around and sometimes you have to kick people.
如果你晚上出去，你会穿大鞋，因为你最终会在地板上被拖来拖去，有时你还得踢人。
Always throw the first punch.
总是先出第一拳。
Punch in the throat and the eyes, the nuts, and the knees.
打进喉咙、眼睛、坚果和膝盖。
Don't bother with any other part of the body if you want to win the fight.
如果你想赢得战斗，就不要打扰身体的任何其他部位。
Never tell anybody you're going to fight them.
永远不要告诉任何人你要和他们战斗。
Just punch them.
就打他们吧。
It's important to be the guy who can throw the punch to me.
成为那个可以向我挥拳的人很重要。
And it's more important than whether or not you win the fights or not, I think.
我认为这比你是否赢得战斗更重要。
But it's a hard thing to do, to throw a punch.
但这是一件很难做到的事情，要打出一拳。
Because you don't know what's going to happen afterwards.
因为你不知道之后会发生什么。
Then you get your ass kicked, and it's happened a lot.
然后你就会被踢，这样的事已经发生过很多次了。
You throw a punch and then they come back at you 10 at a time and you lost that one.
你打出一拳，然后他们一次向你回击十拳，你就输掉了这一拳。
Before I got into fights, or before I had my first fight and was mostly running away from fights, everything seemed to happen really, really quickly.
在我开始打架之前，或者在我第一次打架并且大部分时间都在逃避打架之前，一切似乎都发生得非常非常快。
Never was clear in your memory what had happened and why you were running down the street or the panic.
你的记忆中从来都不清楚发生了什么，为什么你要跑到街上或惊慌失措。
But after the first fight, I realized that if you actually get in a fight, everything slows down.
但在第一次打架之后，我意识到，如果你真的打架，一切都会慢下来。
I suppose it's adrenaline.
我猜是肾上腺素。
You have time to think about everything.
你有时间思考一切。
It's like being in a car crash.
这就像遭遇车祸一样。
You notice things-- what people are looking at, what the person you're about to fight with is looking at, what he's paying attention to, where his hands are, if he's the kind of guy who's going to hit you first, all that stuff.
你会注意到一些事情——人们在看什么，你要与之打架的人在看什么，他在注意什么，他的手在哪里，他是否是那种会先打你的人，所有这些东西。
You have this heightened awareness.
你有这种高度的意识。
It doesn't hurt then, but it's scary.
那时候不疼，但是很害怕。
But nothing hurts really.
但真的没有什么伤害。
Really?
真的吗？
So when you're in a fight there's no pain at all?
那么打架的时候就不会感到疼痛吗？
I mean, I'm sure that there is, but it's not unbearable pain.
我的意思是，我确信有，但这不是难以忍受的痛苦。
You don't give up because of the pain.
你不会因为痛苦而放弃。
And I don't think I've ever been beaten bad enough so that you would-- I've never been beaten with a bat so that things break and start working.
我认为我从来没有被打得足够严重，以至于你会——我从来没有被球棒打过，以至于事情破裂并开始工作。
But being punched doesn't really hurt.
不过被打一拳其实并不痛。
It's just exhausting.
简直太累了。
That's why fights don't last very long.
这就是为什么战斗不会持续很长时间。
It's too exhausting.
太累了。
It's exhausting to punch something, or it's exhausting to get punched by somebody?
是打东西很累，还是被人打很累？
Both.
两个都。
Paul Tough How is that exhausting?
Paul Tough 这么累怎么办？
It takes a lot of energy to punch somebody, and it hurts a lot when you do it.
打人需要很大的力气，而且打起来会很痛。
I know that you're never more tired than after you've gotten a good beating or you've given one.
我知道你最累的时候莫过于挨了一顿痛打或者挨了一顿痛打。
And it doesn't seem to be any more tiring getting beaten than beating up somebody.
而且被打似乎并不比打别人更累。
We were at some college bar and somebody came running over all dramatic and flushed and said Evan was in the hospital and had his teeth knocked out by the rugby team.
我们在某个大学酒吧里，有人戏剧性地跑过来，满脸通红，说埃文在医院，他的牙齿被橄榄球队打掉了。
So we all got in this car and drove to the hospital-- I think it was St. Francis Hospital in Poughkeepsie-- and stormed the emergency room through the double doors, screaming Evan's name, looking for Evan, feeling very excitable.
于是我们都坐上这辆车，开往医院——我想那是波基普西的圣弗朗西斯医院——冲进急诊室的双门，尖叫着埃文的名字，寻找埃文，感觉非常兴奋。
And Evan appeared from behind the screen.
埃文从屏幕后面出现了。
I'll never forget his face.
我永远不会忘记他的脸。
His front two teeth were just gone, and his lips were all swollen He had these big eye like, big, puppy dog eyes.
他的两颗门牙刚刚掉了，嘴唇都肿了，他有一双大眼睛，像小狗一样的大眼睛。
And he's speaking with a lisp, talking to us.
他和我们说话时口齿不清。
And very dramatically somebody-- it was probably me-- said, what do you want to do?
非常戏剧性的是，有人——可能是我——说，你想做什么？
Do you want to go get them, or do you want to call college court in the morning and press charges?
你想去找他们，还是想早上打电话给大学法庭提出指控？
Because we can't do both.
因为我们不能两者兼得。
It was kind of a little bit of a movie moment?
这有点像电影里的时刻吗？
Oh, God.
哦，上帝。
It's hideous, yeah.
这太可怕了，是的。
And so Evan of course said, with his big lips said, let's get them.
埃文当然用他的大嘴唇说，我们去拿它们吧。
About eight of us went to a bar off campus where we knew the rugby team would be.
我们大约八个人去了校园外的一家酒吧，我们知道那里有橄榄球队。
And we called them out to have a fight.
我们就叫他们出来打架。
We opened the door and started screaming at them to come out and fight.
我们打开门，开始尖叫着让他们出来打架。
We'd been drinking for the most part of the evening, so I don't remember exactly what it was that was said.
那天晚上我们大部分时间都在喝酒，所以我不记得到底说了些什么。
Anyway, 11 guys piled out of the bar with about five rugby girls, the women who hung around with the rugby team.
不管怎样，11 个男人和大约 5 个橄榄球女孩从酒吧里涌了出来，这些女孩和橄榄球队一起闲逛。
And Evan started insulting the women, which just incited everybody.
埃文开始侮辱女性，这激怒了所有人。
Including actually, the rugby coach was there as well.
包括实际上，橄榄球教练也在场。
A guy named Dennis.
一个叫丹尼斯的人。
And at some point Dennis got upset because Evan was insulting his girlfriend and rushed Evan.
在某个时候，丹尼斯因为埃文侮辱他的女朋友而感到不安，并冲向埃文。
And Evan ran away.
埃文逃跑了。
And poor Evan had had his teeth knocked out already.
可怜的埃文的牙齿已经被打掉了。
But that wasn't good for morale for the troops.
但这不利于军队的士气。
Because everybody but me and the two other guys named John left.
因为除了我和另外两个叫约翰的人之外，所有人都离开了。
And the fight had already progressed to a point where we were in a circle of guys and it was about to happen.
战斗已经发展到了我们围成一圈的地步，事情即将发生。
So there was no real going back.
所以没有真正的回头路。
And I'll never forget watching John-- the bigger of the two Johns-- grab a guy named Andy by the balls and by the throat and lift him up over his shoulders and over a bush, where he just disappeared.
我永远不会忘记看着约翰——两个约翰中较大的一个——抓住一个名叫安迪的家伙的蛋蛋和喉咙，把他举过肩膀，越过灌木丛，然后他就消失了。
There were no more Andy.
不再有安迪了。
And then he clapped his hands, cleaned his hands, and walked away across the street to find somebody else to punch.
然后他拍了拍手，把手洗干净，走到街对面去找其他人打。
Now I remember seeing that while I was getting the back of my head and the front of my head pounded at the same time by two other guys.
现在我记得看到当时我的后脑勺和前脑勺同时被另外两个家伙敲打。
Every time I turned around to face somebody to fight them, the guy behind me would punch me in the back of the head.
每次我转身面对别人打架的时候，我身后的那个人就会打我的后脑勺。
And I remember thinking, this is how people die in fights.
我记得我当时想，这就是人们在打架中死去的原因。
This is what happens.
这就是发生的事情。
You get hit so hard that your neck breaks.
你受到重击，以致脖子折断。
And then I heard this inhuman scream.
然后我听到了这非人的尖叫声。
And I looked on the floor, and there was the other John, the smaller of the two Johns.
我看着地板，发现还有另一个约翰，两个约翰中较小的一个。
And the rugby coach had three fingers of John's hand is his mouth.
而橄榄球教练约翰的手的三个手指就是他的嘴。
And there was blood rimming from his mouth.
而且他的嘴里还流着血。
He was chewing on John's fingers.
他正在啃约翰的手指。
And John couldn't move, and his hands were being chewed on.
约翰动弹不得，他的手被咬坏了。
I was so freaked out by that.
我对此感到非常害怕。
I walked over and I kicked the coach in his head as hard as I could.
我走过去，用尽全身力气踢教练的头。
And his jaw sprung open, and he sort of looked around.
他的下巴突然张开，环顾四周。
And he got up.
他站了起来。
And so it was me and the coach facing each other.
就这样我和教练面对面了。
And he just started walking towards me.
他就开始朝我走来。
And I started walking backwards.
我开始倒退。
And he just kept coming.
他只是不断地来。
And I thought, well, I can walk all the way home.
我想，好吧，我可以一路走回家。
He's just going to follow me, so I better just stop.
他只是要跟着我，所以我最好停下来。
And then I stopped and as he came towards me, I set my foot and took that step forward and I punched him as hard as I could in the face.
然后我停了下来，当他向我走来时，我迈出了第一步，用尽全力打了他的脸。
Harder than I've ever punched anybody in my life.
比我一生中打过任何人都用力。
And he fell over.
他摔倒了。
And first of all, it hurt like hell.
首先，它疼得要命。
My hand hurt.
我的手受伤了。
And I thought, wow, I knocked out the coach.
我想，哇，我击倒了教练。
But he popped up, like one of those Bozo the Clown punching dolls.
但他突然出现了，就像小丑波佐的拳击娃娃一样。
He was on the ground for a second before he was standing up again.
他在地上躺了一秒，然后又站了起来。
A second where everything was working out.
一切顺利的那一刻。
Time slows down.
时间变慢了。
And he just kept coming.
他只是不断地来。
And so I turned around to run away.
于是我转身就跑。
And I turned around and ran into a visiting alumni whose name was Bear.
我一转身，就遇到了一位来访的校友，他的名字叫小熊。
And he was so much bigger than me.
而且他比我大得多。
He just got me in a bear hug, which I guess what he's named for.
他刚刚给了我一个熊抱，我猜这就是他的名字的由来。
And he turned me on my head, and he dropped me on my face on the concrete, right on the curb.
他把我的头翻转过来，然后把我脸朝下摔在水泥地上，就在路边。
And then the coach stood on my head and started stomping my head into the road.
然后教练站在我的头上，开始把我的头踩到路上。
And it's one of those suburban roads that are paved with gravel.
这是用碎石铺成的郊区道路之一。
And so I got all the skin torn off the high point on my face, above my eye and on my chin and on my jaw.
所以我脸上的高点、眼睛上方、下巴和下巴上的所有皮肤都被撕掉了。
And then mercifully, we all heard police sirens.
幸运的是，我们都听到了警笛声。
I remember seeing Dennis the next morning after breakfast.
我记得第二天早上早餐后见到了丹尼斯。
My face was still all raw, and he had this big, black eye.
我的脸还是青肿的，而他的眼睛又大又黑。
I looked at his face and he looked at my face and we sort of apologized to each other in that way without saying I'm sorry.
我看着他的脸，他看着我的脸，我们以这种方式互相道歉，但没有说对不起。
And we got along fine after that.
之后我们相处得很好。
We never had any trouble.
我们从来没有遇到过任何麻烦。
And that's true for the rest of the team.
对于团队的其他成员来说也是如此。
If anything, we all never spoke about it again.
如果有的话，我们都再也没有谈论过它。
But we all got along much better afterwards.
但后来我们相处得好多了。
Do you feel like there's some fights in which it's just like-- I mean if you're at a bar and you're with some people who want to fight and there's other people who want to fight, I mean that's just-- everybody wins?
你是否觉得有些打斗就像——我的意思是，如果你在酒吧里，你和一些想打架的人在一起，还有其他人想打架，我的意思是，那就是——每个人都赢了？
Yeah, it's a win-win.
是的，这是双赢的。
We used to do that.
我们曾经这样做过。
We'd just fight with each other.
我们只会互相争斗。
John broke a chair over my head once.
有一次约翰把一把椅子砸到了我的头上。
Over my back, not really my head when I was getting up from him throwing me on the ground.
当我从他把我扔到地上的时候站起来时，在我的背上，不是我的头。
And it was fine.
一切都很好。
It was part of the fun.
这是乐趣的一部分。
We decided to have a fight.
我们决定打一架。
He poked me, I poked him.
他戳我，我戳他。
He punched me, I punched him and then we were going.
他打了我一拳，我也打了他一拳，然后我们就走了。
And it wasn't play fighting at all.
而且这根本不是打架。
I would really, really, really feel bad about myself if I did any of the things that I did then, now.
如果我当时和现在做了任何事情，我真的会非常非常对自己感到难过。
I suppose at some point it doesn't seem appropriate anymore to be behaving that way, to be looking for a fight.
我想在某些时候，这种行为、寻求打架似乎不再合适了。
I see it differently.
我有不同的看法。
Besides my wife.
除了我的妻子。
So do you feel like-- I mean, you talked about this one moment on the schoolyard where you decided you were going to be the guy who punched instead of the guy who got punched.
那么你是否觉得——我的意思是，你在校园里谈到了这一刻，你决定自己要成为那个打人的人，而不是那个被人打的人。
Do you feel like now you're trying to make the opposite decision, you're trying to become the guy who runs away again?
你是否觉得现在你正试图做出相反的决定，你正试图再次成为逃跑的人？
I have the self-confidence now, I think, having been a bully, that I can do without it.
我想，我现在有了自信，因为曾经是一个恶霸，我可以摆脱它。
I wouldn't be satisfied with that answer if I had never done it, if I had gone from running away to finding a solution to the problem.
如果我从来没有这样做过，如果我从逃避转向寻找问题的解决方案，我不会对这个答案感到满意。
I'd always be haunted by the-- why didn't you just pound the guy into the ground, see if that doesn't solve the problem.
我总是被这个问题所困扰——你为什么不把那家伙按在地上，看看这是否能解决问题。
And a lot of times it does.
很多时候确实如此。
It's really fun sometimes.
有时真的很有趣。
Square off against a guy in a bar and you know before the fight starts that you're just going to kick his ass.
在酒吧里与一个人对峙，在战斗开始之前你就知道你会踢他的屁股。
And he's a schmuck, and he's starting a fight with you.
他是个笨蛋，他正在和你打架。
And he's starting a fight with you with his arms at his sides and he's leading with his face.
他双臂放在身体两侧，用脸来与你打斗。
You just can't wait for him to say enough for you to just pop him in the face.
你只是等不及他说完就打他的脸。
Have it be done with and hopefully you really humiliate him.
完成它并希望你真的羞辱了他。
That's fun.
这很有趣。
So even now you would still feel that way in a bar if there was a guy just being clearly the idiot?
所以即使是现在，如果酒吧里有一个人明显是个白痴，你仍然会有这种感觉吗？
You'd take the first swing and you'd feel good about it?
当你第一次挥杆时，你会感觉很好吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Part of me would like to say yes, definitely.
我内心的一部分想说是的，绝对的。
And part of me knows that I wouldn't do that anymore.
我的一部分知道我不会再这样做了。
In fact, I was thinking about this the other day.
事实上，我前几天也在思考这个问题。
I wondered if I would turn the other cheek if something happened.
我想知道如果发生什么事我是否会转过另一边脸。
I just don't think I would.
我只是觉得我不会。
I don't have the strength, the fortitude, to do that.
我没有力量、毅力去做那件事。
What do you think of that line in the Bible of turning the other cheek?
你如何看待圣经中“转过另一边脸颊”这句话？
I don't even know where to start with it.
我什至不知道从哪里开始。
I don't know where to start with it.
我不知道从哪里开始。
I can only understand it as a metaphor.
我只能把它理解为一个比喻。
I don't know how you apply it.
我不知道你如何应用它。
I've only ever been in situations since I decided that I was going to be the guy throwing the punches, not getting them that I looked for the fight.
自从我决定要出拳而不是让他们打架以来，我只遇到过这样的情况。
So I'm the other end of the spectrum.
所以我是光谱的另一端。
One day I'll probably slug Jesus.
有一天我可能会痛打耶稣。
I don't think that I've got what it takes to take a hit.
我不认为我有能力承受打击。
I've spent so much time defining myself as a guy who never would.
我花了很多时间把自己定义为一个永远不会这样做的人。
We have a neighbor who has a dog who barks all the time, and I used to get in big screaming matches with him about the dog.
我们有一个邻居养了一只狗，它总是狂吠，我常常因为那只狗与他大吵大闹。
His behavior as a neighbor is outrageous.
作为邻居，他的行为令人愤慨。
He's a bad neighbor.
他是个坏邻居。
He should be punished.
他应该受到惩罚。
But I can't punish him.
但我不能惩罚他。
I'm not the one who's going to do the punishing.
我不是那个要进行惩罚的人。
So I made that decision.
所以我做出了这个决定。
And when I think about this particular instance, I think there was a time when I would have fed the dog steel wool or broken glass or something and then created a situation where the dog was dead and I obviously did it.
当我想到这个特殊的例子时，我想曾经有一段时间我会给狗喂钢丝绒或碎玻璃之类的东西，然后创造一个狗死了的情况，我显然就这么做了。
And then there would be a fight and I could muster all the moral righteousness for being falsely accused of killing this dog and then beating the guy up as well.
然后就会有一场打斗，我可以因为被错误地指控杀死了这只狗然后又殴打了那个人而聚集了所有的道德正义。
That sounds like something I would-- I love the idea of it now.
这听起来像是我想要的——我现在喜欢这个想法。
But I know that I'm not going to poison the guy's dog.
但我知道我不会毒死那家伙的狗。
So we're just going to keep going around and around in this horrible circle where I frown at him when he says hi to me and I let him know that I disapprove of him.
所以我们就一直在这个可怕的圈子里转来转去，当他向我打招呼时，我对他皱眉，我让他知道我不赞成他。
That's the problem with the world where you don't throw punches, things just go on and on.
这就是这个世界的问题，你不打拳，事情就这样继续下去。
It's true.
这是真的。
Exactly right.
完全正确。
No quick resolution.
没有快速解决方案。
Manny Howard still lives in Brooklyn where he writes a column about bars for the New York Press and does other writing.
曼尼·霍华德 (Manny Howard) 仍然住在布鲁克林，为纽约出版社撰写有关酒吧的专栏，并从事其他写作。
He talked to This American Life senior editor Paul Tough.
他与《美国生活》高级编辑保罗·托夫进行了交谈。
When is fighting cathartic?
什么时候是战斗宣泄？
In Kodiak, Alaska, on the Fourth of July, in front of the American legion Hall, they used to set up a boxing ring and all day long, with hundreds of people watching, the citizens of Kodiak would fight.
在阿拉斯加的科迪亚克，7月4日，在美国退伍军人大厅前，他们曾经搭建了一个拳击场，整天在数百人的注视下，科迪亚克的公民进行战斗。
Third grade kids, fifth grade kids, and adults, lots of adults.
三年级的孩子，五年级的孩子，还有成年人，很多成年人。
They called it rough house boxing.
他们称之为粗野拳击。
Radio producers Nikki Silva and Davia Nelson, The Kitchen Sisters, witnessed it a few years back.
电台制作人“厨房姐妹”尼基·席尔瓦 (Nikki Silva) 和戴维·尼尔森 (Davia Nelson) 几年前目睹了这一幕。
A lot of these were sort of grudge matches that had built up on fishing boats all season, and people can't very well on a fishing boat, duke it out, and have a successful run.
其中很多都是渔船上整个赛季积累起来的怨恨比赛，人们不能很好地在渔船上一决胜负，并取得成功。
So it's I'll meet ya at the Fourth of July and we'll work this out then.
所以我会在七月四日与你见面，然后我们会解决这个问题。
Do you see people fight their own employers?
你见过人们与自己的雇主作战吗？
Yeah, a guy told us about fighting his own boss and that he'd given his boss two black eyes but that he had almost had a heart attack in the ring while giving his boss two black eyes.
是的，一个人告诉我们他和自己的老板打架，他给了他老板两个黑眼圈，但他在拳击场上给他老板两个黑眼圈时差点心脏病发作。
And he had to go to the hospital for a couple of hours after the event to kind of recover.
事件发生后，他不得不去医院几个小时才能康复。
It was ugly.
太丑了。
Well, we need some more people on up here.
好吧，我们这里需要更多人。
Women preferably.
女性优先。
Little kids.
小孩子们。
In listening to the tape, we're hearing the emcee of the boxing event urge different couples that he knows are having marital trouble to get in the ring.
在听录音时，我们听到拳击比赛的主持人敦促他知道婚姻有问题的不同夫妇参加拳击比赛。
Come on, Roxanne.
来吧，罗克珊。
Come on, Jack.
来吧，杰克。
get in the ring.
进入戒指。
Jones, you and Roxanne get in there.
琼斯，你和罗克珊进去。
Art, how about you over there?
阿特，你那边怎么样？
It was kind of an all-purpose kind of a cleansing.
这是一种万能的清洁。
A kind of a village cleansing.
一种村庄清洁活动。
And I have always called the event Yom Kippur with Gloves.
我一直把这个活动称为“戴着手套的赎罪日”。
Because to me, I was raised with what Yom Kippur was.
因为对我来说，我是在赎罪日的氛围中长大的。
Let me just say that Yom Kippur is the Jewish holiday of atonement.
我只想说，赎罪日是犹太教的赎罪日。
Which you had to atone for your sins and you had to at least forgive.
你必须赎罪，你至少必须宽恕。
You might not forget, but you got to get over it.
你可能不会忘记，但你必须克服它。
You got to move on.
你必须继续前进。
You got to work it out.
你必须解决这个问题。
You've got one day to do it.
你有一天的时间来做这件事。
It was great too because it was sort of like the block party gone wild.
这也很棒，因为它有点像疯狂的街区派对。
Block party with silks.
丝绸派对。
The crowd fed it, and the crowd was like hungry for the game, for the sport.
观众们满足了它，观众们对比赛、对这项运动感到饥饿。
And people were all around us commentating, practically grabbing the microphone to get their two cents worth in.
我们周围的人都在评论，几乎抓住了麦克风来获得他们的两分钱。
--difference in weight.
——重量的差异。
Look like a boy against a man.
看起来就像一个男孩对抗一个男人。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE]
[难以理解的短语]
I don't even know how to say this.
我什至不知道该怎么说。
You know what this puts to shame is like Judge Wapner and The People's Court.
你知道这让瓦普纳法官和人民法院感到羞愧。
That isn't what you want to see.
这不是你想看到的。
What you want to see is this.
你想看到的就是这个。
If this were on TV, don't you think this would be just like a huge thing?
如果这是在电视上，你不觉得这会是一件大事吗？
Where like two people who have a grudge come before whoever the host of the show is going to be.
就像两个有怨恨的人来到了节目主持人的面前。
Let's say George Foreman.
让我们说乔治·福尔曼。
And he's the referee of the match.
而且他还是本场比赛的裁判。
He's the Judge Wapner of this thing.
他是这件事的法官瓦普纳。
And then the two people would come before him, and they both would sign some sort of liability form before they go on.
然后这两个人就会来到他面前，在继续之前他们都会签署某种责任表格。
And just like The People's Court , then they would explain what their little tiff was about.
就像人民法院一样，然后他们会解释他们的小争吵是关于什么的。
And then we'd watch them duke it out.
然后我们就会看着他们决斗。
And it would be called The People's Ring.
它将被称为“人民之戒”。
Seriously, when you think about this, do you think this would be a healthy thing if more people had this in their lives?
说真的，当你思考这个问题时，你认为如果更多人的生活中有这种情况，这会是一件健康的事情吗？
Or do you think there's something kind of horrifying about it too?
或者你认为这也有什么可怕的地方？
I do think it would be healthy if there was some-- Nikki's making--
我确实认为如果有一些——尼基的制作——那就会是健康的——
We might have to box it out.
我们可能不得不把它排除在外。
Nikki Silva I know, we will.
尼基·席尔瓦 我知道，我们会的。
The Kitchen Sisters get in the ring.
厨房姐妹上场了。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I can't see it.
我看不到它。
Look, I'm not going to start the committee to let's spread rough house boxing for the millennium throughout America.
听着，我不会成立一个委员会来让我们在整个美国传播千禧年的粗野拳击。
I'm not arguing for violence.
我并不是主张暴力。
I'm not defending violence.
我并不是在为暴力辩护。
I just think you can't deny the violence inside most people.
我只是认为你无法否认大多数人内心的暴力。
Nikki Silva and Davia Nelson.
妮基·席尔瓦和戴维·尼尔森。
The town of Kodiak stopped rough house boxing years ago because of insurance reasons.
由于保险原因，科迪亚克镇多年前就停止了粗暴的家庭拳击活动。
There was no way to prevent lawsuits about split eyes and busted noses.
没有办法避免因眼睛裂开和鼻子被打破而引发的诉讼。
Those insurance companies ruining our great American traditions.
那些保险公司破坏了我们伟大的美国传统。
Coming up, girl meets ring, girl loves ring, girl leaves ring, sort of.
接下来，女孩遇见戒指，女孩喜欢戒指，女孩离开戒指，等等。
And boxing as a job.
并将拳击作为一项工作。
That's in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, being the person who throws the first punch and what happens to you when you become that person and how hard it is to stop being that person.
今天的节目是，成为第一个出拳的人，当你成为那个人时会发生什么，以及停止成为那个人有多难。
We've arrived at Act Two of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Round Two, To Boldly Go Where No Woman has Gone Before.
第二轮，大胆去没有女人去过的地方。
We have this story of loving to fight from Meema Spadola.
我们有一个来自米玛·斯帕多拉 (Meema Spadola) 的热爱战斗的故事。
Maritza was an accountant, a financial analyst at a huge insurance company.
玛丽扎是一名会计师，一家大型保险公司的财务分析师。
She was living day to day like anybody else.
她和其他人一样过着日复一日的生活。
Then she heard about this boxing class that was being offered at the company gym.
然后她听说公司健身房正在开设拳击课。
Some guy named Milton was teaching.
一个名叫米尔顿的人正在教课。
Maritza liked sports.
玛丽莎喜欢运动。
She'd even taken an aerobic boxing class before, so she decided to go down and check it out.
她之前还上过有氧拳击课，所以她决定下去看看。
Here I am in a suit, coming in.
我穿着西装进来了。
It's the first time.
这是第一次。
I didn't have a chance to change.
我没有机会改变。
So I'm walking in all suited up.
所以我全副武装地走进去。
So he comes in, he's saying well, you know, I'm hear to teach boxing.
所以他进来了，他说得好，你知道，我听说教拳击。
I said, well, so?
我说，嗯，所以呢？
And?
和？
I wasn't impressed.
我没有留下深刻的印象。
So Maritza comes up and she's so short.
于是玛丽莎出现了，她太矮了。
She goes, I want to get rid of my stomach.
她说，我想摆脱我的胃。
I want to get rid of my gut.
我想摆脱我的肠道。
And so she was so short.
所以她这么矮。
I look at her.
我看着她。
I go, honey, I teach boxing.
我去，亲爱的，我教拳击。
This ain't boxing aerobics.
这不是拳击健美操。
You know, aero boxing.
你知道，空气拳击。
This is boxing.
这是拳击。
You want to learn how to box, you came to the right place.
您想学习如何拳击，您来对地方了。
If you want to come and dance around, jump around, I says, I'm not the guy for you.
如果你想来跳舞，那就跳来跳去，我说，我不适合你。
So this ain't what you want.
所以这不是你想要的。
He wasn't even thinking about me.
他甚至没有想到我。
There's another girl who thinks this is aero-- I mean-- so I threw a punch at him.
还有一个女孩认为这是空气动力——我是说——所以我向他挥了一拳。
Oh, you got a pretty good punch there.
噢，你的拳打得很不错。
And he goes, let me see what you got.
然后他走了，让我看看你得到了什么。
Bam, bam.
嘭，嘭。
You got a pretty good punch there, he goes.
你的拳打得很不错，他走了。
But who taught you how to box?
但谁教你如何拳击呢？
Two steps.
两步。
Then he's like trying to fix me.
然后他就像试图修复我。
I'm going to teach you how to weave, but I'm going to shine you up like an old shoe and polish you up.
我会教你如何编织，但我也会像旧鞋一样擦亮你，擦亮你。
He made me laugh.
他让我笑了。
I thought he was amusing.
我觉得他很有趣。
I found it amusing.
我觉得很有趣。
It reminded me of watching the old movies and this guy telling me I'm like an old shoe.
这让我想起看老电影时，这个人告诉我我就像一只旧鞋。
He's going to polish me.
他要擦亮我。
This guy's got an act.
这家伙有演技。
So I started working with her every day, come down with the pads.
所以我开始每天和她一起工作，把护垫放下来。
Giving her combinations so she started falling into place.
给她组合，让她开始就位。
So I was like, whoa.
所以我想，哇。
I said, you know something?
我说，你知道什么吗？
If I could bring you to my gym in Brooklyn, I says, you could win in New York City Golden Gloves.
我说，如果我能带你去布鲁克林的健身房，你就能赢得纽约市金手套奖。
She goes, I can?
她去，我可以吗？
I go, honey, what I got you doing right now, no girl fights the way you do right now.
我走了，亲爱的，我现在让你做什么，没有女孩像你现在那样打架。
That's how it all started.
一切就是这样开始的。
Meema Spadola Every day after work in Manhattan, Maritza would take the subway all the way out to Brooklyn to train for three or four hours at Milton's gym and then go all the way back home to Queens.
米玛·斯帕多拉 (Meema Spadola) 每天在曼哈顿下班后，玛丽莎都会乘地铁一路到布鲁克林，在米尔顿的健身房训练三四个小时，然后一路回到皇后区的家。
She spent her weekends at the gym.
她周末都在健身房度过。
No one in her old life understood what she was doing.
在她过去的生活中，没有人理解她在做什么。
She'd grown up in the projects, put herself through college, gotten an MBA, held a good paying job, and here she was back so close to the streets.
她在这些项目中长大，读完大学，获得了MBA学位，找到了一份高薪工作，现在她又回到了离街道那么近的地方。
When she got a broken nose and black eyes in the ring, she lied to her coworkers about it, didn't tell them she was boxing.
当她在拳击场上鼻子被打断、眼睛变黑时，她向同事撒了谎，没有告诉他们她在拳击。
Her parents didn't approve of women fighting.
她的父母不赞成女性打架。
They were conservative, born in Puerto Rico.
他们出生于波多黎各，属于保守派。
Her friends were suspicious of her weight loss.
她的朋友们对她减肥表示怀疑。
They accused her of being anorexic, infected with HIV, or addicted to drugs.
他们指控她患有厌食症、感染艾滋病毒或吸毒成瘾。
But at the gym, everyone believed in her.
但在健身房里，每个人都相信她。
Maritza was the only girl at Milton's, his first girl, so she'd spar with the men there.
玛丽莎是米尔顿家里唯一的女孩，也是他的第一个女孩，所以她会和那里的男人争吵。
She took Joey one day and she was throwing nonstop combinations and punches repetitiously.
有一天，她带着乔伊，不断地连续出拳和出拳。
There was an old man sitting down in the chair and he goes, god damn that boy can throw some punches.
有一个老人坐在椅子上，他说，该死的那个男孩可以打几拳。
She had the head gear on.
她戴着头套。
So when she finished he came over to me.
所以当她说完后，他向我走过来。
He goes, that's going to be one good damn fighter.
他说，那将是一名出色的战士。
That boy is going to be great.
那个男孩会变得很棒。
He goes, who is that?
他走了，那是谁？
I go, what guy you talking about?
我去，你说的是什么人？
He goes, that guy.
他走了，那个家伙。
I go, I hate to tell you this, that's no guy.
我走了，我不想告诉你，那不是人。
He goes, what do you mean, that's no guy?
他走了，你是什么意思，那不是人？
Looked like a guy.
看起来像个男人。
I go, that's a girl.
我去，那是个女孩。
That ain't no damn girl.
这不是一个该死的女孩。
I go, that's a girl.
我去，那是个女孩。
He goes, get out of here.
他走了，离开这里。
So I said, Maritza come here.
所以我说，玛丽莎过来吧。
So she come over to me and I took off her head gear.
于是她向我走过来，我脱下了她的头饰。
I go, does she look like a girl now?
我去，她现在像个女孩吗？
He goes, oh.
他走了，哦。
Looking at Maritza, you probably wouldn't think boxer.
看着 Maritza，你可能不会想到拳击手。
She's small, just over 5 feet tall and only 106 pounds.
她身材娇小，身高仅 5 英尺多一点，体重只有 106 磅。
Her features are fine and delicate.
她的五官精致，精致。
But when she talks about her love for boxing, you can see her in the ring.
但当她谈到对拳击的热爱时，你可以看到她在拳击场上的身影。
She's radiant.
她容光焕发。
It's like speaking to someone who's had a religious conversion.
这就像和一个皈依宗教的人说话一样。
Boxing has shed a light on me.
拳击让我眼前一亮。
It's like my vision.
这就像我的愿景。
It's like I just obtained vision.
就好像我刚刚获得了视觉。
This is what I was put here for.
这就是我被放在这里的目的。
Ladies and gentlemen, tonight's next bout is the women's 106 pound class.
女士们、先生们，今晚的下一场比赛是女子 106 磅级。
The referee is Pete Santiago.
裁判是皮特·圣地亚哥。
In the gold corner, Maritza Arroyo, from the Supreme Team Boxing Club.
黄金角的是来自最高队拳击俱乐部的玛丽扎·阿罗约（Maritza Arroyo）。
Arroyo is a financial analyst and a part-time personal trainer.
阿罗约是一名金融分析师和兼职私人教练。
She's been boxing for a year and is a Metros champ.
她已经打了一年拳击，并且是大都会冠军。
This is her first--
这是她的第一次——
With Milton's training, Maritza was unbeatable.
在米尔顿的训练下，玛丽扎所向披靡。
Within a year she had taken all the amateur titles in New York.
一年之内，她就获得了纽约所有的业余冠军头衔。
She won the Metros, the Empire States, and in '96 she won the biggest of all, the Golden Gloves in Madison Square Garden, a fight televised around the world, held in a ring where some of the greatest boxers in history have fought.
她赢得了大都会赛、帝国州赛的冠军，并于 96 年赢得了最大的一场比赛——麦迪逊广场花园金手套赛，这场比赛在世界各地进行电视转播，在历史上一些最伟大的拳击手都曾在拳击场上进行过比赛。
Two straight left hands by Arroyo.
阿罗约的两只左手伸直。
And another straight left.
还有一个直左转。
Four straight left hands by Arroyo.
阿罗约的四直左手。
Maritza and I get together to watch the video of her '96 Golden Gloves win.
我和 Maritza 一起观看了她赢得 96 年金手套奖的视频。
The Garden's packed.
花园里挤满了人。
The crowd's going wild.
人群变得疯狂。
Martiza's incredibly fast and beautiful in the ring.
玛蒂扎在擂台上的速度令人难以置信，而且非常漂亮。
Watching her, you understand what it means to be a smart fighter.
看着她，你就会明白什么是一个聪明的战士。
She's calculated.
她是算计的。
The woman she's fighting is taller than she is, with longer arms.
与她战斗的女人比她高，手臂也更长。
So Maritza ducks down low and jabs up to the body, choosing where she lands her punches-- to the ribs, then to the chest.
于是玛丽莎低下身子，猛击对方的身体，选择出拳的位置——肋骨，然后是胸部。
And when her opponent can barely catch her breath, Maritza's up, giving her a fierce combination to the face and head.
当她的对手几乎喘不过气来时，玛丽莎站起来，让她的脸和头猛烈地结合在一起。
There goes the upper cuts.
上面的切口就出来了。
There goes another one to the body.
还有另外一个进入身体。
Ow.
噢。
Maritza Arroyo Another one to the body.
玛丽莎·阿罗约 (Maritza Arroyo) 又一具尸体。
Another one.
另一个。
Another one.
另一个。
And another.
还有另一个。
Followed by a big right hook.
随后是一个大右勾拳。
Manson in trouble.
曼森有麻烦了
In the last 10 seconds, Manson gets in a good punch, straight to Maritza's face.
最后 10 秒，曼森一拳打在玛丽扎脸上。
Maritza stumbles back and then seems to go crazy.
玛丽莎踉踉跄跄地向后退了一步，然后似乎疯了。
She throws nonstop combinations, and the crowd is screaming.
她不停地抛出组合，观众尖叫起来。
There, there goes the hook.
那里，钩子就在那里。
See that?
看到了吗？
That's it.
就是这样。
10 seconds.
10秒。
Bam.
嘭。
There you go.
就这样吧。
I threw it all.
我全都扔了。
Go, go.
走吧，走吧。
There you go.
就这样吧。
There you go.
就这样吧。
There you go.
就这样吧。
There you go.
就这样吧。
Throw it.
扔掉它。
I missed a lot, but I threw.
我错过了很多，但我扔了。
Can we just watch the last 10 seconds?
我们可以只看最后10秒吗？
That was so cool.
太酷了。
Oh my God, you are so good, Maritza.
天哪，你太棒了，玛丽莎。
I want to see you fight so badly.
我想看你打得这么厉害。
After the fight ends, we're laughing.
战斗结束后，我们都笑了。
We keep rewinding to watch Maritza's amazing finale.
我们不断倒带观看玛丽莎令人惊叹的结局。
I'm like, really?
我想，真的吗？
You got it good, right?
你做得很好，对吧？
Well, OK.
好吧，好吧。
All right.
好的。
All right.
好的。
All right.
好的。
All right.
好的。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
That was a grin.
那是一个笑容。
That was a good grin.
那笑容很好。
We're both completely high and hysterical.
我们都非常兴奋和歇斯底里。
Maritza's face is transformed.
玛丽莎的脸色变了。
This is pure joy.
这是纯粹的快乐。
And in a way, it's terrible because we both know she's quitting boxing.
在某种程度上，这很糟糕，因为我们都知道她要退出拳击比赛。
Maritza wants to go pro, but there doesn't seem to be any way she could make a living at boxing.
玛丽莎想成为职业选手，但她似乎没有任何办法可以靠拳击谋生。
She's only 106 pounds.
她只有106磅。
They don't even have a name for her weight class.
他们甚至没有她体重级别的名称。
If she went pro, no one knows of any women who are good enough to match her.
如果她成为职业选手，没有人知道有哪个女人能比得上她。
As it is, there are only two amateur women at her level.
事实上，与她同等水平的业余女性只有两名。
In all her title matches, she's always been put up against these same two opponents over and over.
在她所有的冠军赛中，她总是一次又一次地面对同样的两个对手。
And she's beat them every time.
而且她每次都击败了他们。
Maritza's lucky enough to have found the thing she loves, the thing that makes her life complete, but unlucky enough that the timing worked out all wrong.
玛丽莎很幸运，找到了她所爱的东西，让她的生活变得完整，但不幸的是，时机完全错误。
More women are getting into boxing all the time and starting younger.
越来越多的女性开始接触拳击，并且开始年轻化。
In 10 years, there may be enough women that Maritza would be able to make a career of it.
十年后，可能会有足够多的女性让玛丽莎能够以此为职业。
But she's already in her 30s.
但她已经30多岁了。
She says she has to be realistic about the future.
她说她必须对未来保持现实。
So she's gone back to school, and she's working full-time.
所以她回到了学校，并开始全职工作。
I get mixed feelings.
我的心情很复杂。
When I go into the gym, I want to do it.
当我走进健身房时，我想做。
But when I come away from the gym and I start looking at reality, it's like, I'm sad.
但当我离开健身房并开始面对现实时，我感觉很悲伤。
It's a sadness.
这是一种悲伤。
On the outside, no one sees it.
在外面，没有人看到它。
But on the inside it's like it died.
但内心却像死了一样。
It's like, God, it could have been you.
就好像，上帝，可能是你。
You should be in there boxing.
你应该去那里打拳击。
It's like she's in love with someone she knows she has to leave.
就像她爱上了一个她知道必须离开的人。
So she circles around boxing, quits, comes back for one night stands.
于是她开始了拳击生涯，放弃了，又回来参加了一夜情。
Last year, Milton signed her up for the Metros tournament without telling her.
去年，米尔顿在没有告诉她的情况下为她报名参加了 Metros 锦标赛。
On the night of the fight, he called her from ringside and told her they were holding up the match for her.
比赛当晚，他在场边给她打电话，告诉她他们正在为她暂停比赛。
Maritza got in her car and drove from Queens to Brooklyn, while Milton lied to the judges about Maritza being stuck in traffic.
玛丽莎上了车，从皇后区开往布鲁克林，而米尔顿则向法官撒谎，说玛丽莎陷入了交通堵塞。
She arrived, beat in her opponent in three rounds flat, but was so disgusted with herself for fighting when she was trying to retire that she left without even collecting her trophy.
她到达时，三回合平局击败了对手，但当她试图退役时，她对自己的战斗感到非常厌恶，以至于她甚至没有领取奖杯就离开了。
But being back in the game felt too good and after that win, she just couldn't bring herself to walk away.
但回到比赛的感觉太好了，在获胜之后，她就是无法让自己走开。
Despite her reservations, she went on to fight in the 1997 New York Gloves and, of course, won.
尽管她持保留态度，她还是继续参加了 1997 年纽约手套赛，并最终获胜。
For his part, Milton had no reservations.
就米尔顿而言，他没有任何保留。
Maritza will always be his best girl, his first girl.
玛丽莎永远是他最好的女孩，他的第一个女孩。
But he's now becoming resigned to the fact that she doesn't have much time left in boxing.
但他现在已经接受了这样一个事实：她在拳击上所剩的时间不多了。
She boxes like street people were to call [UNINTELLIGIBLE] in his prime.
她就像街头行人在他的巅峰时期所说的[难以辨认]一样。
She's slick.
她很圆滑。
She's smart.
她很聪明。
She thinks in there.
她在里面想。
She doesn't really get hit.
她其实并没有被击中。
She don't let you give her a beating.
她不让你打她。
She hands out the beatings.
她分发殴打。
You know, I wish I would've found her when she was a little bit younger.
你知道，我希望我能在她年轻一点的时候找到她。
A lot younger.
年轻了很多。
Here's how hard this is for Maritza.
这对玛丽扎来说有多难。
Even her plans for retirement from boxing include boxing.
甚至她从拳击界退役的计划也包括拳击。
She's training to be a massage therapist.
她正在接受按摩治疗师的培训。
To massage boxers, she says.
她说，是为了按摩拳击手。
She quit her job as an accountant and now works full-time as a trainer in a gym.
她辞去了会计师的工作，现在在一家健身房担任全职教练。
She has this theory that she'll get over boxing by going to boxing matches all the time.
她有这样的理论：只要经常参加拳击比赛，她就能摆脱拳击的困扰。
Maybe I'll overcome it by being there.
也许我在那里就能克服它。
Maybe that's what I need to do, is to face it.
也许这就是我需要做的，就是面对它。
To face the fact that finally I'm not doing it anymore, that I'm not going to be boxing anymore.
面对这样一个事实：我最终不再这样做了，我不会再打拳击了。
Maybe that's what I need.
也许这就是我所需要的。
Go.
去。
There it is.
就在那里。
That's good.
那挺好的。
Come out here real quick.
快点出来吧。
There you go.
就这样吧。
See the difference?
看到区别了吗？
Go.
去。
In February, just after Maritza misses the deadline for the 1998 Golden Gloves, I go to Milton's gym to see her fight.
二月份，就在玛丽莎错过了 1998 年金手套奖的最后期限后，我去米尔顿的健身房观看她的比赛。
Even though these days Maritza isn't there much anymore, Milton has promised me that Maritza will spar with a new girl he's training.
尽管现在玛丽莎已经不常出现了，但米尔顿向我保证，玛丽莎将与他正在训练的一个新女孩对练。
We wait and wait and no Maritza.
我们等呀等，还是没有见到玛丽莎。
An hour passes.
一个小时过去了。
When she finally shows, she looks worn out and tired.
当她终于露面时，她看起来疲惫不堪。
She's not dressed to box, and she says she's got the flu.
她的着装不适合拳击，而且她说她得了流感。
She's not going to fight.
她不会打架。
Right away everyone starts pushing her.
立刻每个人都开始推她。
Well, let's just do a little.
好吧，让我们做一点吧。
Maritza Arroyo You want to?
玛丽莎·阿罗约 你想要吗？
But I got nothing with me.
但我身上什么也没有。
What do you need?
你需要什么？
Maritza Arroyo Everything.
玛丽莎·阿罗约 一切。
I don't have nothing.
我什么都没有
She says she didn't bring her shoes.
她说她没带鞋子。
She doesn't have any of her gear.
她没有任何装备。
Milton points to some shoes lying in the corner, says they're her size.
米尔顿指着角落里的一些鞋子说这是她的尺码。
Suddenly Maritza doesn't look so tired.
突然间，玛丽莎看上去不再那么疲倦了。
But I got to tell you, I have no mouthpiece.
但我必须告诉你，我没有喉舌。
Then Maritza drops the pretense.
然后玛丽莎放弃了伪装。
We head down in the elevator to her car.
我们乘电梯前往她的车。
It turns out she's been carrying her gloves, her mouthpiece, her wraps, all of her equipment in her car for the past year just in case.
事实证明，在过去的一年里，她一直在车里携带手套、吹嘴、围巾和所有装备，以防万一。
I knew this was going to happen.
我知道这会发生。
That's why I don't want to come around.
这就是为什么我不想过来。
That's why I don't want to come.
这就是为什么我不想来。
You've got the biggest smile on your face.
你脸上挂着最灿烂的笑容。
You look so happy right now.
你现在看起来很高兴。
Because I love boxing.
因为我热爱拳击。
That's why.
这就是原因。
It's what's got me where I'm at today.
这就是我今天的处境的原因。
Very happy and very balanced I guess.
我想非常高兴并且非常平衡。
We're around Second Avenue.
我们在第二大道附近。
Second Avenue.
第二大道。
Between Second and Third and 13th Street.
第二街、第三街和第 13 街之间。
So here I am with no voice, going in this room to go spar.
所以我就在这里，没有声音，进入这个房间去练习。
Is that crazy?
这疯了吗？
That's crazy.
太疯狂了。
She grabs her bag, and we race back to the gym.
她抓起包，我们跑回健身房。
And as Maritza's getting dressed, I notice she wears tiny golden gloves on a chain around her neck.
当玛丽莎穿衣服时，我注意到她脖子上挂着一条链子，戴着金色小手套。
Milton stands ringside, pumped up, ready to see his favorite in action again.
米尔顿站在场边，精神抖擞，准备再次观看他的最爱。
This is Howard Kelso live right here from Supreme Team Boxing.
我是来自 Supreme Team Boxing 的霍华德·凯尔索 (Howard Kelso)。
Box.
盒子。
Milton Relax your shoulders, Maritza.
米尔顿 放松你的肩膀，玛丽莎。
Relax your shoulders.
放松肩膀。
Too tight.
太紧了。
Oh, good one.
哦，好一个。
Maritza's stiff at first.
玛丽莎一开始很僵硬。
Then she starts to relax.
然后她开始放松。
She's ducking down, dancing around the ring.
她蹲下来，绕着擂台跳舞。
And in the last 10 seconds of the fight, she has a surge of energy.
而在战斗的最后10秒，她的能量激增。
She's punching hard, moving fast, throwing nonstop combinations.
她出拳用力，移动速度快，不停地打出组合拳。
Come on, girls.
来吧，女孩们。
Time.
时间。
Meema Spadola And afterwards, she's pumped up with adrenaline, sweating, laughing with Milton and the guys in the gym.
米玛·斯帕多拉 (Meema Spadola) 随后，她的肾上腺素飙升，满头大汗，与米尔顿和健身房里的其他人一起欢笑。
She says she'll be back to spar and train every week.
她说她每周都会回来参加训练。
And even though she's missed the deadline for this year's Golden Gloves, she swears she'll take the gloves next year.
尽管她错过了今年金手套奖的截止日期，但她发誓明年一定会获得金手套奖。
Stay tuned for 1999, she says.
她说，请继续关注 1999 年。
Stay tuned.
敬请关注。
But Maritza doesn't show at Milton's the next week or the week after.
但玛丽莎下周或下周都不会出现在米尔顿家。
She breaks two appointments with me.
她两次取消了与我的约会。
She doesn't return my calls.
她不回我的电话。
And when I finally reach her, she's angry.
当我终于找到她时，她很生气。
Angry she fought again.
愤怒的她再次打架。
Scared she's getting sucked back in.
生怕她又被吸进去了。
And how about the fact that you're still carrying around your gear?
那么您仍然随身携带装备又如何呢？
Well, I guess I can't let go of boxing yet.
嗯，我想我还不能放弃拳击。
Maybe it's my security blanket.
也许这是我的安全毯。
It's like always knowing that it's always there, that I can always hit that bag.
就像总是知道它总是在那里，我总是可以击中那个袋子。
I get in front of the mirror at my house every day.
我每天都会在家里的镜子前。
Just jab and come around and do the moves.
只需刺拳，然后过来做动作即可。
It's my connection to boxing.
这是我与拳击的联系。
I carry this with me.
我随身带着这个。
I sleep with it.
我和它一起睡觉。
I have gloves in my car.
我的车里有手套。
I love it.
我喜欢它。
It's me.
这就是我。
That story by Meema Spadola, a documentary filmmaker in New York, who also boxes.
这个故事的作者是米玛·斯帕多拉 (Meema Spadola)，她是纽约的一位纪录片制片人，同时也是一名拳击手。
Round Three, Hard Work.
第三轮，努力。
Well, so far on our program we've heard from people who love being the person who throws a punch, unofficial fighters and amateurs.
嗯，到目前为止，在我们的节目中，我们已经听到了那些喜欢出拳的人、非官方拳击手和业余爱好者的声音。
This is a different kind of story.
这是一个不同类型的故事。
Frankie Cruz Junior boxed in the Olympics twice, won silver and bronze medals.
小弗兰基·克鲁兹两次参加奥运会拳击比赛，获得银牌和铜牌。
He's a six time Florida State Golden Glove champ, four time National Golden Glove champ.
他是六次佛罗里达州金手套冠军、四次全国金手套冠军。
And a year ago he quit amateur fighting, decided he was going to try to make a living from boxing.
一年前，他放弃了业余拳击，决定尝试以拳击为生。
It's the kind of job where people try to hit and injure you for a living, but you get no health insurance.
这是一种人们试图以殴打和伤害你为生的工作，但你没有健康保险。
In a year Frankie's had a broken rib, broken ankle, broken hand, a case of cauliflower ear that's gone untreated.
一年之内，弗兰基的肋骨骨折，脚踝骨折，手骨折，还有一个菜花耳病没有得到治疗。
And he's not officially even gone pro yet.
而且他还没有正式成为职业球员。
He spoke with This American Life producer Julie Snyder.
他与《美国生活》制片人朱莉·斯奈德进行了交谈。
Frankie Cruz got his job from one punch.
弗兰基·克鲁兹一拳就得到了工作。
A year ago in a nightclub in Miami, the 170-pound Frankie knocked out a guy weighing 260 with a right hand.
一年前，在迈阿密的一家夜总会，体重 170 磅的弗兰基用右手击倒了一个体重 260 磅的家伙。
He says the punch brought everyone to their feet, including a middle-aged dance club owner from Chicago named Ruben Pazmino.
他说，这一拳让所有人都站了起来，其中包括一位来自芝加哥的中年舞蹈俱乐部老板鲁本·帕斯米诺(Ruben Pazmino)。
That night, Ruben had a vision for his Tropicana Club, and it revolved around Frankie Cruz.
那天晚上，鲁本对他的纯果乐俱乐部有了一个愿景，它围绕着弗兰基·克鲁兹。
Later that week, Frankie was on a plane to Chicago.
那周晚些时候，弗兰基登上了飞往芝加哥的飞机。
I came in a limousine.
我是乘坐豪华轿车来的。
They wanted to pick me up in a limousine.
他们想用豪华轿车来接我。
They took me to Tropicana.
他们带我去了丽阳。
They treat me the nice way.
他们对我很好。
It was fun.
很有趣。
Let's get ready to rumble!
让我们准备好轰鸣吧！
Julie Snyder It's 2:30 in the morning at the Tropicana, a Latino nightclub that houses four bars, a VIP room, a restaurant, and a huge dance floor with a balcony.
朱莉·斯奈德 现在是凌晨 2:30，Tropicana 是一家拉丁裔夜总会，设有四家酒吧、一间贵宾室、一家餐厅和一个带阳台的巨大舞池。
It's 2:30 in the morning and nearly a thousand people are packed inside on a Tuesday.
现在是凌晨 2:30，星期二，里面挤满了近千人。
After the weightlifting contest and after the lip syncing and after the four erotic dancers finish massaging a shirtless man with baby oil, there's boxing in a regulation ring set up in the middle of the dance floor.
举重比赛结束后，对口型结束后，四位色情舞者用婴儿油按摩完赤裸上身的男人后，舞池中央的规则擂台上开始了拳击比赛。
It's fight night, and the star is walking in the door.
这是战斗之夜，明星走进了大门。
It's Frankie.
这是弗兰基。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Julie Snyder Hip and beautiful Latinas turn to look at the 5 foot 10 Nicaraguan born fighter with dyed blond hair and a broken nose.
[说西班牙语] 朱莉·斯奈德 (Julie Snyder) 时尚而美丽的拉丁裔女孩转头看着这位身高 5 英尺 10 英寸、出生于尼加拉瓜、头发染成金色、鼻子骨折的战士。
He's not yet dressed in his boxing gear.
他还没有穿上拳击装备。
Instead he wears a mustard-colored sports coat, slacks, and so much jewelry that he literally makes noise when he moves.
相反，他穿着一件芥末色的运动外套、休闲裤，戴着太多的珠宝，以至于他一移动就会发出噪音。
Here's Frankie's job.
这是弗兰基的工作。
Here's the job he left his kids and family for.
这就是他离开孩子和家人去从事的工作。
It's free-for-all boxing.
这是一场免费的拳击比赛。
Anyone can fight.
任何人都可以战斗。
You can fight.
你可以战斗。
I could fight.
我可以战斗。
Anyone.
任何人。
All you have to do is sign a release form agreeing that if your nose breaks, teeth get punched out, or you end up with a mild concussion, you know it's your fault for being too drunk and easily encouraged by your friends to get into a boxing ring in the first place.
你所要做的就是签署一份免责书，同意如果你的鼻子骨折、牙齿被打掉，或者你最终得了轻微脑震荡，你就知道这是你喝醉了的错，而且很容易被你的朋友怂恿进入拳击场。
You can choose to fight your best friend, your nemesis, or you can take your chances and fight Frankie.
你可以选择与你最好的朋友、你的宿敌战斗，或者你也可以抓住机会与弗兰基战斗。
If you knock down Frankie, you get $1,000 in cash or the mysterious grand prize.
如果你击倒了弗兰基，你将获得 1,000 美元现金或神秘大奖。
Everyone goes for the cash.
每个人都为了现金。
The first guy that did it was wow, he took so much punch.
第一个做到这一点的人真是哇，他受到了如此多的打击。
He didn't want to go down.
他不想下去。
But you know, he finally quit in the second round.
但你知道，他最终在第二轮就退出了。
And then another one came, bigger.
然后又来了一个，更大。
And every time bigger and bigger.
而且每次都变得越来越大。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE] please come to the ring.
[难以理解的短语]请来到擂台上。
Frankie will fight anyone who signs up.
弗兰基将与任何报名参加的人战斗。
Sometimes he's boxed five or six matches in one night, an incredible feat of endurance, something no pro boxer will ever do.
有时他会在一晚上打五六场比赛，这是一项令人难以置信的耐力壮举，这是任何职业拳击手都做不到的。
And Frankie gets paid the same whether he fights one guy or five guys.
弗兰基无论是与一个人还是五个人战斗，他得到的报酬都是一样的。
He's fought with one arm tied behind his back.
他的一只手臂被绑在背后进行战斗。
He's fought three guys at once.
他同时与三个人战斗。
He's fought, in all, 128 fights at the Tropicana.
他在 Tropicana 总共打了 128 场比赛。
He's won 127.
他赢得了 127 场比赛。
Frankie won't say how much he gets paid, but it's not much.
弗兰基没有透露他的薪水是多少，但并不多。
And he says he sends most of that money back to his ex-wife, his three children, and his grandmother in Miami.
他说，他将大部分钱寄回给他的前妻、他的三个孩子和他在迈阿密的祖母。
So he's broke all the time.
所以他一直都破产了。
For the first seven months he was in Chicago, Frankie lived in a back room of the Tropicana.
弗兰基来到芝加哥的头七个月里，他住在热带酒店的一间后面的房间里。
He also worked as a bouncer on the nights he wasn't boxing.
在不打拳击的晚上，他还担任保镖。
So for days on end, Frankie never left the club.
所以一连几天，弗兰基从未离开过俱乐部。
Sometimes on a Saturday or Sunday when the business offices were closed, Frankie would be locked inside and would have to wait for the Tropicana to open in order to leave.
有时，周六或周日营业厅关门后，弗兰基就会被锁在里面，必须等待丽阳酒店开门才能离开。
He says he didn't mind it that much until Ruben, the owner, took his television set away in order to start up a new karaoke night.
他说他并不太介意，直到老板鲁本拿走了他的电视机，开始一个新的卡拉 OK 之夜。
I finished fighting sometimes four or five guys in the night.
有时我一晚上就打完了四五个人。
I used to go outside and cry and say, why I'm doing this?
我常常走到外面哭着说，我为什么要这么做？
I think I'm not getting paid enough to do it.
我想我没有得到足够的报酬来做这件事。
Everything is business.
一切都是生意。
And if you don't talk business good, you don't study the business good, you will never make it.
如果你不好好谈论生意，不好好研究生意，你永远不会成功。
Right now two African American guys from the audience have signed up to fight each other and are going at it in the ring.
现在，观众席上的两名非洲裔美国人已经报名参加比赛，并正在拳击场上进行较量。
Both weigh well over 200 pounds.
两者的重量均超过 200 磅。
While they clumsily stumble around the ring, taking wide punches and falling against the ropes, the almost preteen-looking ring girls get instructions on what they're supposed to do when Frankie re-enters the ring.
当她们笨手笨脚地在擂台上跌跌撞撞、遭受重击并摔倒在绳索上时，这些看起来几乎是青春期孩子的擂台女孩得到了当弗兰基重新进入擂台时她们应该做什么的指示。
Walk around that way real sexy and then stop in front of the camera so he can take a picture of it.
那样性感地走来走去，然后停在镜头前，这样他就可以拍一张照片。
You take your robe off when you get inside the ring.
当你进入擂台时，你脱掉长袍。
And then you put your robe on before you get back out.
然后你在出去之前穿上长袍。
The girls in thong bikinis hustle around as Frankie emerges, now wearing a blue and gold running suit, a straw cowboy hat, and a Nicaraguan scarf tied around his neck.
当弗兰基出现时，穿着丁字裤比基尼的女孩们忙来忙去，弗兰基现在穿着蓝色和金色的跑步服，戴着牛仔草帽，脖子上系着一条尼加拉瓜围巾。
Frankie stands with the announcer while the two ring girls walk in circles, each holding an end of his championship belt.
弗兰基和播音员站在一起，两个擂台女孩绕着圈走，每个人都握着冠军腰带的一端。
The belt always gets the center spotlight.
腰带总是成为焦点。
When training, Frankie lays the belt down next to his treadmill, says a prayer, and starts running.
训练时，弗兰基将跑步带放在跑步机旁边，祈祷后开始跑步。
It's on the floor next to him when he's jumping rope.
当他跳绳时，它就在他旁边的地板上。
Once when I showed up to interview him at his gym, before we could go off to talk, he opened his gym bag and pulled out a little plastic stand that you use for picture frames.
有一次，当我去他的健身房采访他时，在我们开始交谈之前，他打开了健身包，拿出了一个用来装相框的小塑料架。
He put the stand on a desk facing the front door of the gym and put the belt on it.
他把支架放在面向健身房前门的桌子上，并将腰带放在上面。
On one end of the belt is Frankie's name.
腰带的一端写着弗兰基的名字。
On the other, Viva Auto Sales Park because unfortunately, the Tropicana didn't give him the belt.
另一方面，Viva Auto Sales Park，因为不幸的是，Tropicana 没有给他腰带。
For several months Frankie says, he continually asked Ruben for one but kept getting blown off.
弗兰基说，几个月来，他不断向鲁本要一份，但总是被拒绝。
I just thought at least to get a boxer of the year in the club.
我只是想至少能在俱乐部获得年度拳击手。
And I've been talking about him.
我一直在谈论他。
Do some thing special, you know?
做一些特别的事情，你知道吗？
When I wanted to get the belt for him I want him to present it, give it to me.
当我想给他拿腰带时，我希望他把它拿出来，给我。
But he never gone there and told me here, Frankie.
但他从来没有去过那里并在这里告诉过我，弗兰基。
Here, go have fun.
来吧，去玩吧。
It's not fair.
这不公平。
Instead, a friend introduced Frankie to the owner of Viva Auto Sales.
相反，一位朋友将弗兰基介绍给了维瓦汽车销售公司的老板。
The guy agreed to buy the belt for Frankie if he could put the Viva name on it.
那家伙同意为弗兰基购买这条腰带，前提是他能在上面写上 Viva 的名字。
It's a good investment.
这是一项很好的投资。
You meet Frankie, you meet the belt.
你遇见了弗兰基，你遇见了腰带。
Leaving the belt with the ring girls, Frankie climbs between the ropes and gets in his corner.
弗兰基把腰带留给了擂台女孩，他爬到绳子之间，进入了他的角落。
His managers, Danny and Hank, are there with him.
他的经理丹尼和汉克也和他在一起。
They're grooming him to go pro in June.
他们正在培养他在六月成为职业球员。
They give him a place to live.
他们给他一个住的地方。
They see that he eats right, doesn't drink, and trains every day.
他们看到他吃得正确，不喝酒，并且每天都训练。
Frankie's opponent doesn't look too intimidating.
弗兰基的对手看起来并不太吓人。
Staggering, he enters the ring wearing jeans, a long sleeve green shirt, and Doc Martens.
他穿着牛仔裤、绿色长袖衬衫和 Doc Martens 鞋，踉踉跄跄地走进了擂台。
He's at least 240 pounds, complete with overhanging gut and love handles.
他至少有 240 磅重，有着突出的腹部和腰间的把手。
It would take a lot of alcohol to make someone like this believe he belongs in a ring with a trained Olympic medalist.
需要喝很多酒才能让这样的人相信他属于训练有素的奥运会奖牌获得者的拳击场。
But he's had a lot of alcohol.
但他喝了很多酒。
Hank and Danny size up the guy.
汉克和丹尼打量着这个家伙。
The fact that he's drunk means his fighting may be sloppy.
他喝醉了的事实意味着他的战斗可能会很草率。
But it also makes it harder on Frankie because the drunks don't feel the pain as much.
但这也让弗兰基变得更加困难，因为醉汉感觉不到那么多痛苦。
As the bell goes off, Hank screams instructions from the corner.
当铃声响起时，汉克在角落里尖叫着发出指示。
Get out of there.
离开那里。
Get out of there.
离开那里。
Come on.
快点。
Frankie's splayed against the ropes.
弗兰基在绳索上张开。
In a shocking move, Frankie's opponent came racing out of the corner and immediately began swinging.
令人震惊的是，弗兰基的对手从角落里冲了出来，并立即开始挥杆。
It's a barfighter's tactic, get in the first punch.
这是酒吧斗士的战术，先出拳。
He gets Frankie up against the ropes in the corner and on the defense, as Frankie only manages to get in a few body jabs.
他让弗兰基在角落里和防守时靠在绳索上，因为弗兰基只成功地刺了几次身体。
Punch him.
打他。
Frankie, punch him.
弗兰基，打他。
There you go!
就这样吧！
Don't let him push you around.
别让他左右你。
It never occurred to me how hard Frankie would have to work to win his fights, how much of a beating he takes.
我从来没有想过弗兰基要付出多大的努力才能赢得比赛，他会遭受多少的殴打。
He looks tired and confused.
他看上去很疲惫，也很困惑。
I want him on the floor.
我想让他躺在地板上。
On the floor.
在地板上。
On the floor.
在地板上。
At the end of the first round, Hank and Danny counsel Frankie in the corner.
第一轮结束时，汉克和丹尼在角落里为弗兰基提供咨询。
Mostly it's a big pep talk.
大多数情况下，这是一个鼓舞人心的谈话。
You're the champ, they yell.
你是冠军，他们喊道。
You're the champ.
你是冠军。
Frankie, hey!
弗兰基，嘿！
Show me some intensity.
给我一些强度。
You know what to do.
你知道该怎么做。
Kick his ass.
踢他的屁股。
In round two, Frankie comes back.
第二轮，弗兰基回来了。
His opponent's punches becomes weaker.
对手的拳头变得越来越弱。
At times they miss Frankie completely.
有时他们完全想念弗兰基。
And almost gently, Frankie edges the guy up against the ropes in his own corner and does combinations to his head, pounds away at him.
弗兰基几乎是轻轻地把那家伙推到自己角落里的绳子上，对他的头进行组合拳，向他猛击。
Blood spurts everywhere.
鲜血喷得到处都是。
It's an incredible moment, satisfying in a way I never would have guessed.
这是一个令人难以置信的时刻，以一种我从未想到的方式感到满足。
Sweat and spit fly off Frankie's body.
汗水和口水从弗兰基的身上飞溅而出。
Hank and Danny go wild.
汉克和丹尼发疯了。
The crowd goes wild.
人群变得疯狂。
Frankie breaks the guy's nose and the ref ends the fight.
弗兰基打断了那家伙的鼻子，裁判结束了这场比赛。
When Frankie staggers back and drops his hands, blood drips from his gloves onto the starched, white mat.
当弗兰基摇摇晃晃地向后退去并放下双手时，血从他的手套上滴到了浆过的白色垫子上。
Hank screams at him.
汉克对他尖叫。
Hey, that's the beating I like to see.
嘿，这就是我喜欢看到的殴打。
That's the way you throw the punches.
这就是你出拳的方式。
Boxing can make you feel so small.
拳击会让你感觉自己很渺小。
The force of the punches is so brutal and penetrating that it's almost mythical.
拳头的力量如此残酷和具有穿透力，几乎是神话般的。
When Frankie climbed out of the ring, he asked me if I was impressed.
当弗兰基爬出拳击场时，他问我是否印象深刻。
I couldn't even answer.
我什至无法回答。
I couldn't talk to him.
我无法和他说话。
In only a few minutes, this guy who has to beg for a belt from a used car dealership suddenly seemed untouchable.
短短几分钟，这个向二手车经销店讨要皮带的家伙突然就显得惹不起了。
I've asked Frankie over and over what he loves about boxing, and he doesn't really say anything.
我一遍又一遍地问弗兰基他喜欢拳击的什么，但他什么也没说。
He doesn't like hurting people.
他不喜欢伤害人。
He doesn't have any romantic ideas about the tradition of boxing or its primal appeal.
他对拳击传统或其原始吸引力没有任何浪漫的想法。
That's not why he boxes.
这不是他打拳击的原因。
It's a job.
这是一份工作。
A job that doesn't pay all that much in grimy, punishing, working conditions.
这份工作在肮脏、艰苦的工作条件下报酬不高。
A job that he's good at, but that doesn't hold a lot of mystery anymore.
这是他擅长的工作，但不再有太多神秘感了。
The one thing that makes it special for Frankie is the crowds.
对弗兰基来说，最特别的一件事就是人群。
What I love about boxing is the people.
我喜欢拳击的是这里的人。
I think if people don't go see you, it won't be fun.
我想如果人们不去看你，那就没什么意思了。
I believe the people, even if they're not cheering for me, or they're booing for me-- but after I win or after I finish the fight, I know I got all those people who didn't cheer for me, they're going to give me their hands and they're going to say, wow, you had a great fight.
我相信人们，即使他们没有为我欢呼，或者为我发出嘘声——但在我获胜或完成比赛后，我知道所有那些没有为我欢呼的人，他们都会向我伸出双手，他们会说，哇，你打了一场精彩的比赛。
After his match, Frankie begins jumping around, running through the crowds up to the top floor of the nightclub, looking for fans.
比赛结束后，弗兰基开始跳来跳去，穿过人群跑到夜总会的顶层，寻找球迷。
He does this every time, Hank says.
汉克说，他每次都会这样做。
When Frankie sees me, he stops and motions for me to follow, so I can record how much the crowd loves him.
当弗兰基看到我时，他停下来示意我跟上，这样我就可以记录下观众有多么爱他。
Congratulations, brother.
恭喜你，兄弟。
You're getting bigger and bigger, baby.
你越来越大了，宝贝。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Man That's right.
[插话] 伙计，是的。
You knocked that guy pretty good, esse.
你把那家伙打得很好，艾斯。
Out of the ring looking for attention, Frankie doesn't seem like a giant anymore.
走出擂台寻找关注，弗兰基看起来不再像个巨人了。
He's a guy, boyish even.
他是个男人，甚至有些孩子气。
A lot of people come over and shake his hand, say a word.
很多人过来和他握手，说一句话。
A lot more push right by him, heading down to the ring where six women from the audience are now taking part in a do-it-yourself strip tease.
他继续向前推进，走向擂台，观众席上的六名女性正在参加一场脱衣舞表演。
Men in the audience pull dollar bills from their wallets and shove past.
观众席上的男人们从钱包里掏出一美元钞票，推了过去。
They don't look at Frankie.
他们没有看弗兰基。
Oh, it's Lisa's birthday today, y'all.
哦，今天是丽莎的生日，大家。
Say happy birthday to Lisa.
祝丽莎生日快乐。
That story from This American Life producer Julie Snyder.
这个故事来自《美国生活》制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
We thought we'd close out our program today with this recording.
我们想用这段录音来结束今天的节目。
It's Muhammad Ali, then Cassius Clay, recorded in 1964.
这是穆罕默德·阿里 (Muhammad Ali)，当时是卡修斯·克莱 (Cassius Clay)，录制于 1964 年。
[MUSIC- "STAND BY ME" BY CASSIUS CLAY]
[音乐- CASSIUS CLAY 的《STAND BY ME》]
Well, our program was produced today by Julie Snyder and myself with Alix Spiegel and Nancy Updike.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由朱莉·斯奈德和我、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和南希·厄普代克制作的。
Senior editor Paul Tough.
高级编辑保罗·托夫。
Contributing editors Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.
特约编辑 Jack Hitt、Margy Rochlin 和 Consigliere Sarah Vowell。
Production help from Rachel Day, Laura Doggett and [?
Rachel Day、Laura Doggett 和 [?
Sahini ?] Davenport.
萨希尼？]达文波特。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] If you want to buy a cassette of this program, call us at WBEZ here in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 如果您想购买该节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
312-832-3380.
312-832-3380。
Our email address [email protected] .
我们的电子邮件地址 [电子邮件受保护]。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who every single day calls me into his office, points to a picture of Garrison Keillor and says--
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 负责监督，他每天都把我叫到他的办公室，他指着加里森·凯勒 (Garrison Keillor) 的照片说——
Let's get him.
我们来抓住他吧。
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。