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Prologue: Prologue Tobin Low From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言：序言 Tobin Low 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是美国生活。
I'm Tobin Low, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是托宾·洛 (Tobin Low)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
The story of Sara and Ethan's relationship starts with heartbreak.
莎拉和伊森的关系始于心碎。
She had just gotten out of a 12-year relationship.
她刚刚结束了长达12年的恋爱关系。
He was separated after 13 years of marriage.
结婚13年后，他分居了。
Neither of them were particularly interested in jumping into something new too fast.
他们俩都不太愿意太快地投入新事物。
But their mutual friends thought, hey, they have that in common.
但他们共同的朋友认为，嘿，他们有共同点。
They're both in their 40s, both a little wobbly from their last relationships.
他们都四十多岁了，都因上一段感情而有些不稳定。
They should date.
他们应该约会。
Here's Ethan.
这是伊森。
I think they saw us both as people who didn't know what they were doing and thought, maybe these two can figure it out together.
我想他们把我们都视为不知道自己在做什么的人，并认为也许这两个人可以一起解决这个问题。
That's both sweet and maybe a little insulting.
这既甜蜜又可能有点侮辱。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, I'm going to take it as sweet.
是的，我会把它当作甜蜜的。
They hit it off, kept seeing each other, doing date-y stuff-- dinners, museums, walks in the park.
他们一拍即合，经常见面，做约会的事情——吃饭、参观博物馆、在公园散步。
And as weeks and then months went by, they advanced to the stage of hanging out with no particular plans.
几周又几个月过去了，他们进入了没有特定计划的闲逛阶段。
At one point, a kind of big thing happened.
有一次，发生了一件大事。
A friend of Sarah's died.
莎拉的一位朋友去世了。
Ethan knew how hard she was taking it, so he asked her, you want to go to a ball game, take your mind off things?
伊森知道她有多难受，所以他问她，你想去看一场球赛，转移一下注意力吗？
And it felt nice to let him take care of her in that way.
让他以这种方式照顾她感觉很好。
It's now been 10 months.
现在已经10个月了。
So you're in contact pretty much every day.
所以你们几乎每天都会联系。
You see each other regularly.
你们经常见面。
You're not seeing anybody else.
你没有看到其他人。
Is he your boyfriend, then?
那他是你男朋友吗？
What do you refer to him as?
你把他称为什么？
Sara I guess, I use his name.
萨拉，我想，我用的是他的名字。
OK.
好的。
Sara And I will often say, he's the person I'm sort of seeing.
萨拉 我经常会说，他就是我所见的人。
Or kind of.
或者说是这样。
Or I guess, I'm-- there's always a bit of a qualifier.
或者我猜，我——总是有一些限定词。
Gosh.
天哪。
I think both of us have avoided using the boyfriend-girlfriend terms.
我想我们都避免使用男女朋友的说法。
In fact, a couple weeks ago, they had a conversation about whether it was time to have the "what are we" conversation, and they decided to put it off.
事实上，几周前，他们讨论过是否是时候进行“我们是什么”的对话，但他们决定推迟。
Ethan and Sara are your classic example of "let's not put a label on it." You know couples like this.
伊森和莎拉是“我们不要给它贴标签”的典型例子。你知道这样的情侣。
And I understand that people do this, but I'm always a little like, why are you doing this dance?
我知道人们会这样做，但我总是有点想，你为什么要跳这个舞蹈？
If it looks like a boyfriend duck and it quacks like a boyfriend duck, it's just a boyfriend duck, right?
如果它看起来像男朋友鸭并且嘎嘎叫得像男朋友鸭，那么它只是男朋友鸭，对吗？
Some of my friends will refer to him as my boyfriend.
我的一些朋友会称他为我的男朋友。
But--
但是——
Why do you think that is?
你认为这是为什么？
What does it bring up for you?
它给你带来了什么？
What is the feeling?
什么感觉？
It feels like if we put a label on it, gosh, we're going into the tunnel again.
感觉就像如果我们在上面贴上标签，天哪，我们又要进入隧道了。
It feels like it could last a long time.
感觉可以持续很长时间。
And that's a little scary.
这有点可怕。
And if I'm someone's girlfriend, I want to be prioritized in a certain way.
如果我是某人的女朋友，我希望以某种方式得到优先考虑。
And I'm going to be reciprocal in that.
我将在这方面做出互惠。
It's not something that I'm comfortable with right now.
这不是我现在感到舒服的事情。
There are other considerations they're thinking about, like Ethan's daughter, who is 10 and still doesn't really know about Sara.
他们还在考虑其他因素，比如伊森 (Ethan) 的女儿，她 10 岁了，但仍然不太了解莎拉 (Sara)。
He's thought a lot about what putting a label on this thing with Sara would trigger.
他想了很多关于给萨拉这件事贴上标签会引发什么。
If Dad had a girlfriend, I think that that would feel very significant to her.
如果爸爸有一个女朋友，我想这对她来说会感觉很重要。
Yeah, I think that that would-- I think it would feel like a big deal to a 10-year-old.
是的，我认为这对于一个 10 岁的孩子来说是一件大事。
When I was hearing this described to me at first, I was like-- to be honest, I was like, oh, this sounds very teenager-y, immature.
当我第一次听到别人向我描述这一点时，我想——说实话，我想，哦，这听起来很青少年，不成熟。
We don't want to call it anything.
我们不想称呼它任何东西。
And now, the more that I've talked to you, it's like, oh, it's a very mature-- and being honest with yourself about what you want and what comes with putting a label on it.
现在，我和你谈得越多，就好像，哦，这是一个非常成熟的——对自己诚实，知道你想要什么，以及给它贴上标签会带来什么。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Because there's expectations.
因为有期待。
And having no expectations is so much nicer right now.
现在没有期望要好得多。
I get what she's saying.
我明白她在说什么。
Labels-- they're powerful.
标签——它们的力量非常强大。
They can distill you down to a single word, can get stuck on you without your permission.
他们可以将你精简为一个词，可以在未经你允许的情况下对你进行攻击。
I still think about the day when my dad introduced me as "his husky boy." I thought about that label for years.
我仍然记得父亲介绍我为“他的哈士奇男孩”的那一天。我想这个标签很多年了。
Today on our show, we have a story of a woman who spent more than a decade trying to get a particular label put on her.
今天在我们的节目中，我们讲述了一个女人的故事，她花了十多年的时间试图给自己贴上特定的标签。
And we see what happens when a label that's holding someone's life together gets peeled away.
我们会看到当维系某人生活的标签被撕掉时会发生什么。
And also, today, I have the all-powerful label of host, so I am commanding you to stay with us.
而且，今天我拥有全能的主人标签，所以我命令你留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
Act 1, "Last Shift." The label being assigned in this first story is temporary.
第一幕，“最后一班”。第一个故事中分配的标签是暂时的。
It's a label that can feel meaningful and definitive.
这是一个让人感觉有意义且明确的标签。
You know the thing will end, whatever it is.
你知道事情总会结束，无论是什么。
But temporary is also a flexible term.
但临时也是一个灵活的术语。
Your life on earth is temporary, but it can go on for 100 years.
你在地球上的生命是暂时的，但可以持续100年。
The temporary label plays an important role in the US immigration system for something called Temporary Protected Status, TPS.
临时标签在美国移民系统中发挥着重要作用，称为“临时保护身份”(TPS)。
TPS is a status given to a country all at once.
TPS 是一次性赋予一个国家的地位。
It allows eligible people from that country to live and legally work in the US if their home country has become unsafe or unstable, for instance, because of war or disaster.
如果他们的祖国因战争或灾难而变得不安全或不稳定，它允许来自该国的符合条件的人在美国生活和合法工作。
And if war or disaster goes on, TPS can be extended.
如果战争或灾难继续发生，TPS 可以延长。
For some countries, it's been extended for more than 25 years.
对于某些国家/地区，该期限已延长超过 25 年。
Wars can last a long time.
战争可以持续很长时间。
A 30-second earthquake can cause damage that takes years to recover from.
一场 30 秒的地震可能会造成需要数年时间才能恢复的损害。
Last week, the Trump administration succeeded in ending TPS for people from Haiti.
上周，特朗普政府成功终止了海地人民的 TPS。
A judge removed the last roadblock.
法官清除了最后一个障碍。
It affected a huge number of people, more than 300,000 Haitians.
它影响了很多人，超过 30 万海地人。
Many have been here in jobs and lives far longer than anyone would consider temporary.
许多人在这里工作和生活的时间比任何人认为的短暂时间都要长得多。
So, 300,000 people were facing an end, all at once.
于是，三十万人一下子就面临了灭亡。
Chana Joffe-Walt spent time last week with one of them at her job, a woman named Marie.
查娜·乔菲-沃尔特上周在工作中与其中一位名叫玛丽的女士共度时光。
And no one, including Marie, knew which day would be her very last on the job.
包括玛丽在内，没有人知道哪一天将是她最后一次工作。
Here's Chana.
这是查娜。
I had heard about Marie before I showed up at the nursing home in Boston.
在我来到波士顿疗养院之前，我就听说过玛丽的事迹。
Her boss told me he was losing his best CNA-- the pride of the building, he said.
她的老板告诉我，他正在失去他最好的 CNA——这栋大楼的骄傲，他说。
CNA is a Certified Nursing Assistant.
CNA 是认证护理助理。
Families love Marie, he told me.
他告诉我，家人都爱玛丽。
When I walked in, the senior nurse leader, Fleurinette, walked me up to the second floor, pointing out details and people along the way.
当我走进去时，高级护士长弗勒里内特（Fleurinette）带我上二楼，向我指出细节和沿途的人。
And she pointed to a room and said, the woman staying in this room refused to be moved from her chair to the bed by anyone but Marie.
她指着一个房间说，住在这个房间里的女人拒绝除了玛丽以外的任何人把她从椅子上移到床上。
If Marie is not here, we have to make sure that we go and tell her why Marie is not here.
如果玛丽不在这里，我们必须确保去告诉她为什么玛丽不在这里。
Why?
为什么？
Fleurinette Because she's used to Marie.
Fleurinette 因为她已经习惯了玛丽。
She's used to her.
她已经习惯了她。
And Marie treats her with respect.
玛丽尊重她。
So she really is an exemplary CNA.
所以她确实是 CNA 的典范。
I've worked with many CNAs.
我曾与许多 CNA 合作过。
I know everyone.
我认识每个人。
This is Marie.
这是玛丽。
Oh.
哦。
Fleurinette --this is another Marie.
Fleurinette——这是另一个玛丽。
A different Marie?
不一样的玛丽？
OK.
好的。
Fleurinette Yes.
弗勒里内特 是的。
This is another Marie.
这是另一个玛丽。
Apparently, there are a lot of Maries in this building-- Marie Joulet, Marie Claire, Marie France.
显然，这栋楼里有很多玛丽——Marie Joulet、Marie Claire、Marie France。
I ask Fleurinette, how much of the staff here is Haitian?
我问Fleurinette，这里有多少员工是海天的？
And she says, oh, we all are, except for-- and she scans the floor-- her.
她说，哦，我们都是，除了——她扫视地板——她。
She is not Haitian.
她不是海地人。
But I think I see three CNAs already, and all three of them are Haitian.
但我想我已经看到了三个 CNA，而且这三个都是海地的。
And then, a small woman in glasses, gold hoops, ponytail, and pink scrubs walks purposefully down the hall toward us.
然后，一个戴着眼镜、戴着金箍、扎着马尾辫、穿着粉色手术服的小个子女人，故意沿着大厅朝我们走来。
Chana, here is your Marie.
查娜，这是你的玛丽。
Marie Nice to meet you.
玛丽 很高兴认识你。
So nice to meet you.
很高兴认识你。
I've heard so much about you already, before even meeting you.
在见到你之前我就已经听说过很多关于你的事了。
How long have you been here?
你来这里多久了？
Marie 12 years.
玛丽12岁。
Do you know that you have a reputation here as being one of the best?
你知道你在这里享有最好的声誉之一吗？
Yes, I know.
是的，我知道。
[LAUGHS] Chana Joffe-Walt But Marie is not particularly interested in talking about this or dwelling on her talents.
[笑] Chana Joffe-Walt 但玛丽并不是特别有兴趣谈论这个或详述她的才能。
Marie's not a dweller.
玛丽不是居民。
For a person who's a star, she's the opposite of flashy.
对于一个明星来说，她是浮华的反面。
She's focused, quiet, exceedingly polite.
她专注、安静、非常有礼貌。
But I'm asking questions, and I can tell she's distracted, glancing at the rooms behind me, where her residents are.
但我在问问题，我可以看出她心烦意乱，瞥了一眼我身后的房间，她的住户在那里。
I have somebody in the bathroom for now.
我现在有人在浴室里。
I'm kind of--
我有点——
OK.
好的。
So I'll set up.
那我就安排一下吧。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
Marie OK.
玛丽好的。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Oh, I'm so glad to be here.
哦，我很高兴来到这里。
From there, Marie is in motion.
从那里开始，玛丽就开始行动了。
And she invites me to follow her, from one resident to the next--
她邀请我跟随她，从一位居民到另一位居民——
I'm coming, mama.
我来了，妈妈。
I'm coming.
我来了。
I'm coming.
我来了。
--in and out of bathrooms and linen closets, between bedsides, humming evangelical hymns to herself, as she changes sheets--
——进出浴室和亚麻壁橱，在床边之间，一边换床单，一边哼着福音圣歌——
I thought we were going to talk about this huge change that was about to happen in Marie's life, about what is likely her last week on this job.
我以为我们要讨论玛丽生活中即将发生的巨大变化，以及她在这份工作的最后一周可能发生的事情。
But actually, it seems like I'm going to watch her do her last week on the job.
但实际上，我似乎会在上周的工作中观看她的表现。
And the other nurses and CNAs are watching me and my microphone and asking each other, what's she doing?
其他护士和 CNA 看着我和我的麦克风，互相问，她在做什么？
She's following Marie?
她在跟踪玛丽？
Why?
为什么？
Because she's good at her job?
因为她擅长她的工作？
And then they want to talk and add on, saying, I can also tell you how good Marie is at her job.
然后他们想谈谈并补充说，我还可以告诉你玛丽的工作有多出色。
She never say no. She always be there for everybody.
她从不说不。她总是在每个人身边。
She's just really special.
她真的很特别。
Nurse 3 She knows all their little quirks.
护士 3 她知道他们所有的小怪癖。
And she'll be training someone and say, they like a sock on their left foot, but not on their right.
她会训练某人并说，他们喜欢左脚穿袜子，但不喜欢右脚。
And she remembers all those things that you don't have to remember to do your job.
她还记得所有那些你在工作中不需要记住的事情。
She's great, so--
她很棒，所以——
And do you know what's happening with Marie this week at the end of this week.
你知道玛丽这周在本周末发生了什么吗？
I do not, no. Chana Joffe-Walt OK, yeah.
我不，不。查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 好的，是的。
I get out of the conversation awkwardly and have a couple more moments just like this where I gather, bit by bit, that nobody here knows the major thing that is happening in Marie's life.
我尴尬地结束了谈话，又过了几次像这样的时刻，我一点一点地意识到，这里没有人知道玛丽生活中发生的重大事情。
Marie has invited me here, knowing I'm doing a story about people on TPS, about her job ending.
玛丽邀请我来这里，因为她知道我正在写一个关于 TPS 上的人们、关于她的工作结束的故事。
But the people she works with don't know her job is ending, or that she's on TPS, even though most people who work here are Haitian.
但与她一起工作的人并不知道她的工作即将结束，也不知道她正在享受 TPS，尽管在这里工作的大多数人都是海地人。
Some of them are on TPS, like Maria's, but most aren't.
其中一些在 TPS 上，例如玛丽亚的，但大多数都没有。
A woman on staff named Nancy told me, we give each other privacy.
一位名叫南希的女士告诉我，我们互相尊重隐私。
We don't ask questions directly because we don't know who have it, who doesn't have it, and things like that.
我们不直接提问，因为我们不知道谁拥有它，谁没有它，等等。
So we just stay-- talk as a group.
所以我们就留下来——作为一个群体进行交谈。
Nancy said the day that the Supreme Court allowed the Trump administration to end TPS for Haitians, the staff got together at the end of the day and talked about how sad it was that TPS was ending, how scared people were.
南希说，最高法院允许特朗普政府终止对海地人的 TPS 的那天，工作人员在一天结束时聚在一起，谈论 TPS 终止是多么悲伤，人们是多么害怕。
She said Marie, in particular, was very sympathetic in those conversations toward our other coworkers who have TPS.
她说，尤其是玛丽，在这些谈话中对我们其他患有 TPS 的同事非常同情。
But Nancy clearly did not know Marie is one of those coworkers.
但南希显然不知道玛丽是那些同事之一。
And she was feeling for everybody else.
她对其他人也有感情。
Everybody was talking about it, especially Marie, because she's very caring like that for everybody.
每个人都在谈论这件事，尤其是玛丽，因为她对每个人都非常关心。
Yeah?
是的？
I catch Marie coming out of her room and pull her aside for a minute.
我看见玛丽从她的房间里出来，就把她拉到一边。
And your coworkers have been asking what I'm doing.
你的同事一直在问我在做什么。
And I've been saying, I'm following you.
我一直在说，我在追随你。
And nobody seems to know about TPS and that stuff.
似乎没有人知道 TPS 之类的东西。
Do you want me not-- I have not said anything.
你想要我吗——我什么也没说。
No. Chana Joffe-Walt So you haven't talked to people here about it?
没有。 Chana Joffe-Walt 那么你还没有和这里的人谈论过这件事吗？
No, I don't want to talk to them about it.
不，我不想和他们谈论这件事。
OK.
好的。
Marie If something happened, I cannot come, I will tell them.
玛丽如果发生什么事，我不能来，我会告诉他们。
But for now, nope.
但现在还不行。
Yeah.
是的。
If something happens, you would tell them on that day?
如果发生什么事，你会在那天告诉他们吗？
Is that what you mean?
你是这个意思吗？
I'm not going to-- after 12 years, I'm not going to just disappear.
我不会——12年后，我不会就这样消失。
No, I will tell them.
不，我会告诉他们。
But for now, no, I don't tell them anything.
但现在，不，我不会告诉他们任何事情。
They don't know anything about me.
他们对我一无所知。
I learned, the more I talked to more people, that this silence is common.
与更多的人交谈越多，我就越发现这种沉默是很常见的。
There were so many people on TPS moving through their work days in restaurants, airports, schools, quietly knowing it could end at any moment and not telling anyone.
TPS 上有很多人在餐馆、机场、学校度过工作日，默默地知道工作随时可能结束，但没有告诉任何人。
Over 300,000 Haitians on TPS-- that is so many people.
TPS 上有超过 300,000 名海地人——人数太多了。
As immigration statuses go, Temporary Protective Status strikes me as a very strange one.
随着移民身份的发展，临时保护身份让我觉得非常奇怪。
It's not an employment visa, where there can be a path to a more permanent status, like a green card.
它不是就业签证，可以通过就业签证获得更永久的身份，例如绿卡。
TPS offers no path.
TPS 不提供路径。
It leads nowhere.
它无处可去。
You can have it for years.
你可以拥有它很多年。
You can have it for decades.
你可以拥有它几十年。
It can be terminated at any time.
它可以随时终止。
The executive branch has discretion to offer TPS and discretion to take it away.
行政部门有权酌情决定提供 TPS 并酌情取消 TPS。
With other immigration statuses, there's a process.
对于其他移民身份，有一个过程。
There are steps to take and a system for appeals.
有需要采取的步骤和上诉系统。
TPS is more like a gift from the king, just a thumbs up, thumbs down kind of system.
TPS 更像是来自国王的礼物，只是一个竖起大拇指、竖起大拇指的系统。
Haiti is arguably more dangerous than it was in 2011, when Marie was granted TPS.
可以说，海地比 2011 年玛丽获得 TPS 时更加危险。
But President Obama was into TPS for Haitians back then, and President Trump today is not.
但当时的奥巴马总统热衷于为海地人提供 TPS，而今天的特朗普总统则不然。
So it's like a vibes-based immigration status.
所以这就像基于共鸣的移民身份。
When I asked Marie how she was thinking about TPS, she'd just shrug.
当我问玛丽对 TPS 有何看法时，她只是耸耸肩。
What's there to say?
有什么可说的？
What can I do?
我能做些什么？
She told me in Creole, through an interpreter--
她通过翻译用克里奥尔语告诉我——
--I understand the danger that's hanging, but there's nothing else I can do.
——我知道存在的危险，但我无能为力。
She doesn't have a lot more to say about that.
对此她没有更多可说的。
And maybe there just isn't a lot more to say.
也许没有更多可说的了。
So, how was this going to go, the actual end?
那么，这件事的实际结局会如何呢？
For weeks, it was unclear when exactly the TPS termination for Haitians would go into effect.
数周以来，一直不清楚海地人的 TPS 终止具体何时生效。
Like, what day?
比如，哪一天？
And employers were constantly refreshing government websites and checking the news to try to figure out when to tell their employees they couldn't come back, and how should they do it?
雇主们不断地刷新政府网站并查看新闻，试图弄清楚何时告诉员工他们不能回来，以及他们应该如何做？
Marie's boss, Colin, told me he was trying to figure out what was the least disruptive, least public way to do this that would protect his employees' privacy.
玛丽的老板科林告诉我，他正在试图找出破坏性最小、公开程度最低的方式来保护员工的隐私。
Should he just take them off the schedule, put them on PTO, and tell everyone they're on vacation, and then they just won't come back?
他是否应该将他们从日程中取消，将他们放在 PTO 上，并告诉每个人他们正在度假，然后他们就不会回来了？
Should he do that now?
他现在应该这样做吗？
Should he wait?
他应该等待吗？
The deadlines kept changing.
截止日期不断变化。
TPS was ending on Friday.
TPS 于周五结束。
Then it seemed like maybe it was Monday.
然后看起来也许是星期一。
But at the end of the day on Monday, I called him, and it seemed like maybe it wasn't Monday.
但在周一结束时，我给他打了电话，似乎今天不是周一。
I have no idea.
我不知道。
I have no idea what's going on right now.
我不知道现在发生了什么事。
I've heard nothing.
我什么也没听到。
It feels like, yeah, today is the date, but I'm not getting anything from a government source that says, absolutely, it's the date.
感觉就像，是的，今天就是这个日期，但我没有从政府消息来源得到任何消息说，绝对是这个日期。
I can't answer that question without being sarcastic.
我无法不带讽刺地回答这个问题。
I mean, I don't know that there is somebody.
我的意思是，我不知道有人。
Tuesday, I walked into the nursing home at 2:45.
周二，我在2点45分走进疗养院。
I saw Colin on my way into the building, sitting at his desk on the first floor by the entrance-- button-down, large beard.
我在进大楼的路上看到科林，坐在一楼入口处的办公桌前——扣着纽扣，留着大胡子。
He's 40 years old.
他今年 40 岁了。
I tell Colin I talked to Marie and said I'd be here today for the start of her shift at 3:00.
我告诉科林我和玛丽谈过，并说我今天会在她下午 3:00 开始轮班。
And he said--
他说——
I did meet with HR today.
今天和HR见了面。
And we have made a company-wide decision that at this point, we are going to take anyone affected by TPS off the schedule.
我们已经在全公司范围内做出了决定，此时我们将取消所有受 TPS 影响的人员的计划。
The lack of guidance, we feel like we have to remove them from the schedule.
由于缺乏指导，我们觉得必须将它们从日程中删除。
She's working today.
她今天上班了。
She's working today.
她今天上班了。
Does she know that?
她知道吗？
Colin I have not talked to her yet.
科林 我还没有和她说过话。
No. I'm waiting for Marie to come in.
不，我在等玛丽进来。
I'll let her get settled in.
我会让她安顿下来。
I'll have a conversation with her probably around 4 or 5 o'clock.
大概四五点左右我会和她谈谈。
How come you wouldn't just tell her when she gets here?
你为什么不等她来了就告诉她呢？
I don't think it's right to grab somebody walking through the door.
我认为抓住一个进门的人是不对的。
Hey, you're walking through the door.
嘿，你正在进门。
So I want to let her settle and have her normal chain.
所以我想让她安定下来，拥有她正常的链条。
And then I'll sit down and have a conversation with her when we both have time and space to do it.
然后，当我们都有时间和空间时，我会坐下来与她交谈。
But I do want to have a face-to-face conversation.
但我确实想进行面对面的交谈。
Meanwhile, Marie is already here.
与此同时，玛丽已经到了。
She's upstairs.
她在楼上。
She came in through a different door.
她从另一扇门进来。
Her coworkers are greeting her as she sets up.
当她准备好时，她的同事们正在向她打招呼。
Hi, beauty.
嗨，美女。
How are you?
你好吗？
Marie I'm OK, baby.
玛丽，我很好，宝贝。
She's in lavender scrubs and a gold and silver headwrap, arranging her cart for her shift.
她穿着淡紫色的手术服，戴着金银相间的头巾，正在整理她的推车以供轮班。
Marie doesn't just grab one of the pre-stocked carts.
玛丽不只是拿起一辆预先装好的手推车。
I like to fix my cart.
我喜欢修理我的购物车。
I have to fix it.
我必须解决它。
You have to do it yourself.
你必须自己做。
Marie Yeah, yeah.
玛丽 是啊是啊。
And I put towels, pad, sheet, gown, pillowcase.
我还放了毛巾、垫子、床单、睡衣、枕套。
All of a sudden, everything Marie is doing becomes the last time she will do it, counting the blankets and stacking them neatly on the middle shelf.
突然间，玛丽所做的一切都变成了她最后一次做的事，数着毯子，把它们整齐地堆放在中间的架子上。
Fitted sheets, diapers, and cream go on the top shelf, pushing her cart to room 101 as the morning shift heads out--
床笠、尿布和奶油放在最上面的架子上，当早班开始时，她推着车到 101 房间——
All right, see you tomorrow.
好的，明天见。
Drive safe home.
开车安全回家。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Chana Joffe-Walt --checking on each resident.
Chana Joffe-Walt——检查每位居民。
I didn't see you yesterday.
昨天我没看见你。
Marie It was my day off.
玛丽今天是我的休息日。
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Next door, room 100, is full of visitors.
Chana Joffe-Walt 隔壁的 100 号房间挤满了访客。
Marie maneuvers quietly around the family, arranging sheets, wiping surfaces, filling water cups.
玛丽在家人周围安静地走来走去，整理床单、擦拭表面、给水杯装水。
This job is a series of endless small gestures.
这项工作是一系列无穷无尽的小动作。
It's delicate.
它很精致。
It's close, difficult work.
这是一项近距离且艰巨的工作。
Marie is both productive and invisible.
玛丽既富有成效又隐形。
She preps the bath and then gently guides the family on how they can be helpful as she washes and changes their 94-year-old mother.
她准备洗澡，然后温柔地指导家人如何帮助她为 94 岁的母亲洗澡和换衣服。
Mama, tranquila.
妈妈，平静。
Marie Mama, we're just helping you, OK?
玛丽妈妈，我们只是在帮助你，好吗？
Marie is on her way out of room 100, arms full of dirty linens, when Colin enters the hallway to her unit.
当科林走进她所在单元的走廊时，玛丽抱着满是脏床单的人正在走出 100 号房间。
He walks toward her--
他朝她走去——
--but then keeps going.
——但随后继续。
He walks right by her.
他从她身边走过。
It looks like he made a last-minute calculation that this is not the time.
看来他在最后一刻算了算，现在还不是时候。
Marie rolls a cart of soiled linens to the next room, pulls up next to a coworker and whispers to her, asks her where another CNA is today.
玛丽将一车脏床单推到隔壁房间，把车停在一位同事旁边，对她低声说话，问她今天另一个 CNA 在哪里。
Marie says, did she call out?
玛丽说，她喊了吗？
That coworker says, yes, I think it's about the TPS thing.
那位同事说，是的，我认为这是关于 TPS 的事情。
They closed it.
他们关闭了它。
Mm-hmm, they closed it.
嗯嗯，他们关门了。
Yes.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Marie says, that's what I heard.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特·玛丽说，这就是我所听到的。
Then a call button lights up.
然后呼叫按钮亮起。
She heads toward it, back down the hall.
她朝那里走去，沿着走廊走回去。
Then she's on her way out of that room, and I interrupt.
然后她正要离开那个房间，我打断了她。
And I ask, have you checked in with Colin?
我问，你和科林联系过了吗？
He told me, anything happen, he will call me.
他告诉我，有什么事他都会打电话给我。
He saw me when he came here earlier, but we did not talk.
他早些时候来的时候看到了我，但我们没有说话。
OK.
好的。
And you haven't asked?
而且你还没问过？
You haven't asked him anything?
你没问过他什么吗？
No, no, no. I don't want to embarrass him.
不，不，不。我不想让他难堪。
Yeah.
是的。
He's not happy to see me leave.
他不高兴看到我离开。
I'm not going to ask him anything.
我不会问他任何事。
Next to us, a man in the hallway with bright yellow socks has been using his long legs to drag his wheelchair back and forth, saying, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
在我们旁边，走廊里一个穿着亮黄色袜子的男人一直用他的长腿来回拖着轮椅，说，我不知道，我不知道，我不知道。
And a nurse leans close to Marie and says, could you help my friend with the catheter?
一名护士靠近玛丽说，你能帮我的朋友插导管吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Come.
来。
Come, papa.
来吧，爸爸。
Chana Joffe-Walt Colin comes by again, glances in the rooms, but Marie is in the bathroom.
查纳·约菲-沃尔特·科林再次走过来，扫视了一下房间，但玛丽正在浴室里。
She empties the catheter.
她清空导管。
[LIQUID SPLASHING]
[液体喷溅]
As this is happening, Colin does a lap.
当这一切发生时，科林绕了一圈。
Marie pushes the man back into the hallway, and Colin spots her coming out of the room, but the man with the yellow socks is agitated and pointing at his pants.
玛丽把那个男人推回走廊，科林发现她从房间里出来，但穿黄袜子的男人很激动，指着自己的裤子。
He wants Marie to change his pants, too.
他也想让玛丽换裤子。
Like this.
像这样。
No. Marie Oh, you want, too, another pants?
不，玛丽哦，你也想要另一条裤子吗？
Come.
来。
[HUMMING]
[嗡嗡声]
Chana Joffe-Walt So they're back into the room.
Chana Joffe-Walt：所以他们回到了房间。
[GROANS] Chana Joffe-Walt Colin disappears back downstairs.
[呻吟]查娜·乔夫-沃尔特·科林消失在楼下。
How do you end a 12-year career without interrupting, without disruption, without anyone noticing?
如何在不被打扰、不被扰乱、不被任何人注意到的情况下结束 12 年的职业生涯？
Colin is looking for an opening to do this quietly, but there is not one.
科林正在寻找一个机会悄悄地做这件事，但没有机会。
This is a person who is busy and needed.
这是一个忙碌且需要的人。
CNAs are hard to find and hard to keep all over the country.
CNA 在全国各地都很难找到，也很难保留。
The average time people stay in these jobs is two years.
人们从事这些工作的平均时间是两年。
And here's Marie.
这是玛丽。
Her boss doesn't want her to leave.
她的老板不想让她离开。
And she doesn't want to leave.
她不想离开。
He doesn't want to embarrass her.
他不想让她难堪。
And she doesn't want to embarrass him.
而且她不想让他难堪。
This is not the version of removing people that we've seen so much of in the last year and a half.
这不是我们在过去一年半中看到的那种撤除人员的版本。
It's not people grabbed in public, pulled out of cars in dramatic, sometimes violent, videos.
这不是在戏剧性、有时甚至是暴力的视频中，人们在公共场合被抓，或者从车里被拉出来。
This is a silent play being performed in workplaces across the country, the quietest ending everyone involved can possibly pull off.
这是一场在全国各地工作场所上演的无声剧，是每个参与者都能完成的最安静的结局。
By 5:30 PM, when the dinner trays arrive, Marie is moving between residents, arranging bedside tables, delivering food trays.
下午 5:30，当餐盘到达时，玛丽正在居民之间穿梭，整理床头柜，送餐盘。
A visitor tells her, we're going to head out now.
一位访客告诉她，我们现在要出发了。
My grandma's alone.
我奶奶一个人。
Keep an eye.
留意。
Yeah.
是的。
Visitor She'll be here by herself.
访客 她会独自一人在这里。
Marie reassures her, then spots a man who's come to have dinner with his wife.
玛丽让她放心，然后发现一个男人来和他的妻子共进晚餐。
Marie finds a folding chair, places it behind him without saying anything, and keeps walking.
玛丽找到一把折叠椅，什么也没说，放在身后，继续走。
Meanwhile, Colin is on the second floor now, and he's not leaving.
与此同时，科林现在在二楼，他不会离开。
I can hear him faintly somewhere on the other side of the nurses' station, talking to some guy about printers, I think.
我想，我能隐约听到他在护士站另一边的某个地方，正在和某个人谈论打印机。
At 6:00 PM, Colin just walks straight to Marie's unit and scans the area.
下午 6:00，Colin 直接走到 Marie 的单位并扫描了该区域。
He sees her carrying empty dinner trays.
他看到她端着空餐盘。
He says quietly, hey, Marie, you got a minute?
他轻声说，嘿，玛丽，你有时间吗？
Sure, she says.
当然，她说。
She places the trays down and follows him down the hall.
她放下托盘，跟着他穿过走廊。
They go into a room with an interpreter.
他们走进一个有翻译的房间。
It takes seven minutes.
需要七分钟。
Colin doesn't want me to record.
科林不想让我录音。
And when Marie comes out, I don't turn the recorder back on.
当玛丽出来时，我没有重新打开录音机。
She says to me, well, they're taking me off the schedule for now, until he has more information.
她对我说，好吧，他们暂时取消了我的行程，直到他得到更多信息。
This is maybe the end.
这或许就是结局了。
I tell her I'm sorry.
我告诉她我很抱歉。
She says, they said I can go home now or finish my shift.
她说，他们说我现在可以回家或者完成轮班。
It's up to me.
这取决于我。
I have the choice.
我有选择。
And then Marie does something I have not yet seen her do.
然后玛丽做了一件我还没见过她做的事。
She talks about how good she is at this job.
她谈到她在这份工作上有多出色。
She says, when I started here in 2014, my salary was very low.
她说，2014年我来这里的时候，我的工资很低。
Every year, they saw the way I'm working and the work I've done.
每年，他们都会看到我的工作方式和所做的工作。
And every year, they gave me more.
每年，他们都给了我更多。
Right now, I won't tell you how much I make, but it's double where I started.
现在，我不会告诉你我赚了多少钱，但它是我开始时的两倍。
I tell her, I'm sure you deserve it.
我告诉她，我相信这是你应得的。
She gets choked up and says, thank you.
她哽咽地说，谢谢。
Then, she says, she's decided to finish her shift, and she should get back to it.
然后，她说，她决定结束轮班，她应该回去工作。
She stands up and walks back down the hall.
她站起来，沿着走廊走回。
Chana Joffe-Walt is a producer on our show.
查娜·乔菲-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 是我们节目的制片人。
Coming up, a comedian walks into a bar and walks out with a medical mystery.
接下来，一位喜剧演员走进一家酒吧，带着一个医学之谜走出去。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Tobin Low, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是托宾·洛 (Tobin Low)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
Today's show, "Label Maker!" a show all about the power of labels.
今天的节目“标签制作者！”一场关于标签力量的表演。
We're at Act Two of our show.
我们正在演出第二幕。
Act 2, "Diagnose Me, Maybe."
第二幕，“也许诊断一下我。”
So the whole reason I've been thinking about labels lately is because of this next story we're doing today.
所以我最近一直在考虑标签的全部原因是因为我们今天要做的下一个故事。
It's about Janet McNamara, a very funny comedian who had this odd thing happen to her 15 years ago when she was first getting started.
这是关于珍妮特·麦克纳马拉 (Janet McNamara) 的故事，她是一位非常有趣的喜剧演员，15 年前，当她刚开始表演时，发生了一件奇怪的事情。
What happened was, this one night, she's performing at a comedy club in Boston, where she's proudly from-- I think all Irish Catholics are.
发生的事情是，这一天晚上，她在波士顿的一家喜剧俱乐部表演，她自豪地来自那里——我想所有的爱尔兰天主教徒都是在那里。
Anyway, she gets off stage, goes to the green room, when the owner of the club stops her.
不管怎样，当俱乐部老板阻止她时，她下了舞台，去了休息室。
He just kind of said, out of curiosity, what's that thing when you look up in the air, and you dart your eyes?
出于好奇，他只是说，当你抬头望向空中，然后你的眼睛飞快地转动时，那是什么东西？
And I do this thing.
我做这件事。
I have really bad memory recall.
我的记忆力真的很差。
So I look up in the air a lot when I can't think of a word or I can't think of what I'm going to say next.
所以当我想不出一个词或者我想不出接下来要说什么时，我会经常抬头看着空中。
And I said, that's what I do when I'm thinking.
我说，这就是我思考时所做的事情。
And he said, have you ever been tested for autism?
他说，你做过自闭症测试吗？
And I said, no, I've never considered that I'm autistic before.
我说，不，我以前从来没有考虑过我是自闭症患者。
Literally, nobody has ever said it to me before.
从字面上看，以前从来没有人对我说过这句话。
It was called Dick Doherty's Comedy Vault.
它被称为迪克·多尔蒂的喜剧库。
And this guy, Dick Doherty, he's the first person who asked me if I was autistic.
这个家伙，迪克·多尔蒂，他是第一个问我是否患有自闭症的人。
Yeah.
是的。
He named a club after himself.
他以自己的名字命名了一个俱乐部。
Yes, correct.
是的，正确。
Gotcha.
明白了。
Janet brushed it off, thought it was sort of funny.
珍妮特不以为然，认为这有点好笑。
And she is a comedian, so she started getting on stage around Boston, telling the story about this guy asking this question out of nowhere.
她是一名喜剧演员，所以她开始登上波士顿周围的舞台，讲述这个人突然问这个问题的故事。
It got laughs.
引来笑声。
But also, after the show, people would come up to her and say, hey--
而且，演出结束后，人们会走到她面前说，嘿——
I'm autistic.
我是自闭症患者。
Just to let you know, you're also autistic.
只是想让你知道，你也是自闭症患者。
They'd say it that bluntly?
他们就这么直白的说出来吗？
Janet McNamara Yeah.
珍妮特·麦克纳马拉 是的。
And how would that feel?
那感觉如何？
How would you react?
你会如何反应？
Janet says, as a kid growing up in the '90s, she'd been tested many times for learning disabilities, for anxiety.
珍妮特说，作为一个成长于 90 年代的孩子，她曾多次接受过学习障碍和焦虑测试。
Never once did any of those medical professionals say the word "autistic." When she talked about it with her family, her friends, they'd say, yeah, it's a little weird that you get your hair cut in slow increments, so no one says, hey, you got a haircut.
这些医学专业人士从来没有说过“自闭症”这个词。当她和家人、朋友谈论这件事时，他们会说，是的，你慢慢地剪头发有点奇怪，所以没有人说，嘿，你剪头发了。
But mainly, they said--
但主要是，他们说——
You're not autistic.
你没有自闭症。
You're from Boston.
你来自波士顿。
[LAUGHS] But the fact that people kept saying it to her after shows, it raised a curiosity.
[笑]但事实上，人们在演出结束后不断对她说这句话，这引起了人们的好奇。
She thought, it's probably nothing, but what's the harm in asking my psychiatrist if he thinks it's possible?
她想，这可能没什么，但问问我的精神科医生是否认为有可能有什么坏处呢？
Here's Janet talking on stage about what this all led to.
珍妮特在台上谈论这一切导致的结果。
It was when Asperger's was still a thing.
那时阿斯伯格症还很流行。
It's not a thing anymore.
这已经不是什么事情了。
Now, they call it the autism spectrum.
现在，他们称之为自闭症谱系。
They unnamed it.
他们没有给它命名。
He was a Nazi.
他是纳粹分子。
Asperger's was a Nazi.
阿斯伯格症患者是纳粹分子。
Yeah, read a book.
是的，读一本书。
I remember I took the test, and the guy, he just looked up from his notebook and he goes, well, people with Asperger's generally have above average IQs, so--
我记得我参加了测试，那个人，他只是从笔记本上抬起头来，他说，嗯，阿斯伯格症患者的智商通常高于平均水平，所以——
I'm not smart enough to be mildly autistic--
我不够聪明，不会有轻度自闭症——
This, again, was her actual psychiatrist.
这又是她真正的精神科医生。
Janet decided to let it go, partly because this was back in the 2010s.
珍妮特决定放弃它，部分原因是那是在 2010 年代。
And the idea of an adult getting tested for autism, it just wasn't in the air the same way it is now.
成年人接受自闭症测试的想法并不像现在那样广泛流传。
She thought, OK, that's it.
她想，好吧，就这样吧。
No need to keep pushing for a test.
无需继续推动测试。
So for years, autism was just a funny bit on stage, part of her standup.
所以多年来，自闭症只是舞台上的一个有趣的部分，是她脱口秀的一部分。
But offstage, Janet had a day job.
但在台下，珍妮特有一份全职工作。
And what was happening there would turn out to be not so funny.
事实证明那里发生的事情并不那么有趣。
Offstage, Janet had found what she thought was the perfect job.
在台下，珍妮特找到了她认为完美的工作。
She was an accountant, worked her way into it after being a bookkeeper for a plumbing company right out of college.
她是一名会计师，大学毕业后在一家管道公司担任簿记员，随后就进入了会计行业。
She liked accounting because she was essentially a problem-solver.
她喜欢会计，因为她本质上是一个解决问题的人。
Looked at ledgers, Excel spreadsheets, pointed out where there were errors.
查看分类帐、Excel 电子表格，指出哪里有错误。
And her boss loved her because Janet got her job done quickly and efficiently-- no small talk, no bullshit.
她的老板很喜欢她，因为珍妮特快速高效地完成了工作——没有闲聊，没有废话。
She even got raises regularly.
她甚至定期得到加薪。
That is, until one day, she got a new boss, one who liked small talk, wanted more group meetings, more socializing amongst coworkers.
也就是说，直到有一天，她有了一位新老板，一位喜欢闲聊、希望有更多小组会议、同事之间有更多社交活动的老板。
Early on, this new boss asked Janet to meet one-on-one so they could get to know each other.
早些时候，这位新老板要求珍妮特进行一对一的会面，以便他们能够相互了解。
And she said, I have two kids.
她说，我有两个孩子。
I enjoy hiking.
我喜欢徒步旅行。
And then she turned around and showed me her two kids with a-- she showed me a-- she turned around and picked up a framed picture of her two kids and went to hand it to me.
然后她转过身来，给我看了她的两个孩子，她给我看了一个——她转身拿起一张她两个孩子的镶框照片，然后递给我。
And I just said, I could see that from here.
我只是说，我可以从这里看到这一点。
When I walked into her office, I saw the pictures of her kids.
当我走进她的办公室时，我看到了她孩子们的照片。
I immediately knew, when I walked into her office, she has two kids.
当我走进她的办公室时，我立即知道她有两个孩子。
They're about 12 years old.
他们大约12岁。
The boy's older than the girl.
男孩比女孩大。
OK, cool.
好吧，酷。
I know all this information.
我知道所有这些信息。
And then she just tells me verbally and then hands me the picture, and I'm like, I already know this.
然后她只是口头告诉我，然后把照片递给我，我就想，我已经知道了。
Why are we talking about this?
我们为什么要谈论这个？
You have a picture.
你有一张照片。
That's why you have a picture on your desk, is so that people don't start asking if you have kids because there's a picture on your desk.
这就是为什么你的桌子上有一张照片，这样人们就不会因为你的桌子上有一张照片而开始询问你是否有孩子。
Janet talks in her act about how things started to sour for her in the workplace.
珍妮特在表演中讲述了她在工作场所的情况是如何开始恶化的。
I was having a hard time at work at the time.
我当时工作很辛苦。
I was having a hard time at work because of my personality.
由于我的性格，我在工作中遇到了困难。
[LAUGHTER] Yeah, they said I was rude at work.
[笑声] 是的，他们说我在工作中很粗鲁。
They said I had bad tone.
他们说我语气不好。
They said I had bad tone in my emails.
他们说我的电子邮件语气不好。
I was like, how could you have bad tone in an email?
我当时想，你怎么能在电子邮件中语气不好呢？
I wasn't singing.
我没有唱歌。
I was like, you people need to relax.
我当时想，你们需要放松。
I told my boss to relax during a performance improvement plan.
我告诉老板在绩效改进计划期间要放松。
[LAUGHTER] Tobin Low And even though she joked about it on stage, it was serious.
[笑声] Tobin Low 尽管她在舞台上开玩笑，但事情很严肃。
Seemed like she might lose her job.
看来她可能会失业。
And what made it so difficult was that it felt like she wasn't being asked to improve her work.
让事情变得如此困难的是，她感觉自己没有被要求改进她的工作。
She was always good at that part.
她总是很擅长那部分。
It was like she was being asked to change her personality, her fundamental way of being, which, how do you even go about fixing that?
就好像她被要求改变她的个性，她的基本存在方式，你如何解决这个问题？
She became so anxious and stressed about it.
她为此变得非常焦虑和压力。
She took medical leave for a while, hoping she could figure out a solution.
她请了一段病假，希望能找到解决办法。
And then she went to talk to a doctor about what that might look like, like a more private desk away from the chatter of the office, the ability to sit out those meetings with large groups of people.
然后她去和一位医生讨论这可能是什么样子，比如一张远离办公室喧嚣的更私密的办公桌，能够坐在与一大群人开会的地方。
She asked the doctor if he could help her ask for these accommodations.
她询问医生是否可以帮助她申请这些住宿。
And he said, those sound like what you'd ask for if you were autistic-- again, that label.
他说，如果你是自闭症患者，这些听起来就像你会要求的那样——再说一遍，那个标签。
Janet decided to look into a diagnosis again, this time because the need had become dire.
珍妮特决定再次进行诊断，这次是因为需求变得迫切。
Janet goes for her first official autism test, which, this time, was an actual real deal test.
珍妮特参加了她的第一次官方自闭症测试，这一次是一次真正的真实测试。
Testing for autism, by the way, is complex because there's no blood test.
顺便说一句，自闭症测试很复杂，因为没有血液测试。
Instead, there are usually multiple sessions during which the tester is looking at social interactions, sensory issues, repetitive behaviors, or fixated interests.
相反，通常有多个会话，在这些会话中，测试人员会关注社交互动、感官问题、重复行为或固定兴趣。
And then they take all of this into account to assign a diagnosis, which is what Janet went through this time.
然后他们将所有这些考虑在内来进行诊断，这就是珍妮特这次经历的事情。
I don't know if anybody's ever had one.
不知道有没有人曾经拥有过。
It's like this whole thing.
整个事情就像这样。
It's like a three-day thing.
好像是三天的事情。
You look at pictures of people, and they're like, they look happy, they look sad.
你看人们的照片，他们看起来很高兴，他们看起来很悲伤。
And they send surveys.
他们还发送调查问卷。
And I was perfect.
我很完美。
I had everything perfect, and I didn't get the diagnosis.
我一切都很完美，但我没有得到诊断。
Like I said, I didn't get it.
就像我说的，我没明白。
And he knew I wanted it, too.
他知道我也想要它。
I didn't get it.
我没明白。
And I'll tell you what happens.
我会告诉你会发生什么。
At the end of the day, the guy, he just came back, and he just looked at me right in the eye, which I did not care for.
到最后，那个家伙，他刚刚回来，他只是直视着我的眼睛，我对此并不在意。
I swear, he just looks at me right in the eye, and he goes, you are so close.
我发誓，他只是直视着我的眼睛，然后就走了，你们离得太近了。
I swear to god, he goes, you're so close.
我向上帝发誓，他走了，你们已经很接近了。
You just didn't quite hit all the criteria.
您只是没有完全达到所有标准。
And the criteria I didn't hit, the only reason why I'm not autistic, according to him, is because the tags on my shirts don't bother me.
据他说，我没有达到标准，我不是自闭症的唯一原因是因为我衬衫上的标签不打扰我。
Yeah, I don't have sensory issues.
是的，我没有感官问题。
I was pissed.
我很生气。
I was all ready to go back to work and be like, hey, I don't have to look at you.
我已经准备好回去工作了，然后说，嘿，我不必看着你。
It's not that I'm rude.
并不是我无礼。
It's that I don't understand.
这是我不明白的。
It turns out I'm just rude.
事实证明我只是粗鲁。
You could tell that I'm rude because the tags on my shirts don't bother me.
你可以看出我很粗鲁，因为我衬衫上的标签并不打扰我。
And that's the difference between rude and autistic.
这就是粗鲁和自闭症之间的区别。
It definitely felt-- it felt like I had no choice but to change.
确实感觉——感觉我别无选择，只能改变。
And it felt like I had no choice but to start playing the game, which is talking about the weather and saying hi to people.
感觉我别无选择，只能开始玩这个游戏，它谈论天气并向人们打招呼。
And I did start learning people's kids names.
我确实开始学习人们孩子的名字。
How long do you feel like you were able to keep that up at that job specifically?
您觉得自己能在这份工作上保持这种状态多久？
Oh, like three months.
哦，好像三个月。
My brain just wasn't-- it's so hard to describe.
我的大脑不是——很难描述。
It's probably what dementia feels like, in that you know this isn't hard, but your brain just can't do it.
这可能就是痴呆症的感觉，因为你知道这并不难，但你的大脑就是做不到。
I just couldn't function.
我只是无法正常工作。
Janet cycled through several corporate jobs after that.
此后，珍妮特在几家公司担任过职务。
She said she'd do well, but then hit a wall, as the demands of interacting and socializing would increase.
她说她会做得很好，但后来却碰壁了，因为互动和社交的需求会增加。
She'd have to quit or face being fired.
她必须辞职，否则将面临被解雇的危险。
That's the cycle Janet's been in for the last decade, trying to avoid situations in everyday life that would make her uncomfortable, but then when they do happen, talking about them on stage for laughs and how she still can't get a fucking diagnosis.
这就是珍妮特在过去十年里一直处于的循环，试图避免日常生活中让她不舒服的情况，但当它们真的发生时，她在舞台上谈论它们以取笑，以及她如何仍然无法得到他妈的诊断。
So she's just kind of been toughing it out, until recently, when she had an experience that flipped her thinking about everything.
所以她一直在坚持下去，直到最近，她的一次经历彻底改变了她对一切的想法。
She took a kid to the movies, kid she was babysitting, a kid she knew well.
她带一个孩子去看电影，她正在照顾这个孩子，一个她很熟悉的孩子。
And at the movies, this kid started to cuddle with her, as little kids do.
在电影里，这个孩子开始像小孩子一样拥抱她。
And it was so uncomfortable to me that she was stroking my arm.
她抚摸我的手臂让我感到很不舒服。
But I also understood that it was a little kid and that you can't just tell a little kid to-- I understood that it was, like, her way of showing affection.
但我也明白这是一个小孩子，你不能只是告诉一个小孩子——我明白这是她表达爱意的方式。
And I just felt so stuck.
我只是觉得很困难。
And I started crying.
我开始哭泣。
Because you had to deal with it.
因为你必须处理它。
It was your problem to deal with.
这是你要解决的问题。
I felt like I'm the adult.
我感觉我已经是成年人了。
I just need to take this.
我只需要接受这个。
Janet went from discomfort to just being flat-out mad at herself.
珍妮特从不舒服变成了对自己非常生气。
[SNIFFLING] How awful are you as a person if you just want to say to a little kid, like, stop touching me.
[抽鼻子]如果你只想对一个小孩子说，比如，别碰我，你这个人有多糟糕。
Stop cuddling with me.
别再搂着我了。
Stop showing me affection.
别再向我表达爱意了。
It just doesn't feel good on a human level as a person to not want to cuddle with a little kid, and for that to be an overwhelming experience.
作为一个人，不想拥抱一个小孩，这在人类层面上感觉不太好，而且这是一种压倒性的经历。
She told all this to her current therapist, and her therapist said to her, I think we should revisit getting a diagnosis.
她把这一切告诉了她现在的治疗师，她的治疗师对她说，我认为我们应该重新进行诊断。
I think it's right for you, and the other testers got it wrong.
我认为这对你来说是正确的，而其他测试人员却错了。
Janet was ready to stop blaming herself, so she agreed.
珍妮特准备停止责备自己，所以她同意了。
It was very much a, maybe there's nothing wrong with me.
这非常糟糕，也许我没有什么问题。
Maybe my brain is just wired different.
也许我的大脑只是连接方式不同。
And maybe I need to not beat myself up.
也许我不需要打败自己。
And that's when I interviewed Janet, when she was trying yet again to get a diagnosis.
就在那时我采访了珍妮特，当时她再次尝试诊断。
When I talked to her, it was right before she was about to find out her results.
当我和她谈话时，她正要知道结果。
When they did finally come in, she was standing outside a bar.
当他们终于进来时，她正站在一家酒吧外面。
It was 11:00 PM.
当时是晚上 11:00。
She opened an email with a report.
她打开了一封包含报告的电子邮件。
And then, the next night, she went on stage in Portland, Maine, and dropped the news.
然后，第二天晚上，她登上缅因州波特兰的舞台，宣布了这个消息。
And the lady was like, I don't know what's going on, but you're definitely autistic.
这位女士说，我不知道发生了什么事，但你肯定是自闭症患者。
She was like, you're autistic because you are interested in people.
她说，你是自闭症患者，因为你对人感兴趣。
And you're just not interested in things that are boring.
而你只是对无聊的事情不感兴趣。
And you're not interested in boring people who don't do puzzles correctly.
而且你对那些没有正确解谜的无聊人不感兴趣。
[CHEERING] And she said I have a rigid personality.
[欢呼]她说我性格僵化。
I'm rigid.
我很僵硬。
And I said, I'm not rigid.
我说，我并不僵化。
I'm just, most of the time, right.
我只是，大多数时候，是对的。
And we talked about how my least favorite thing my therapist says is sometimes my therapist will be like, hey, two things can be true.
我们讨论了我的治疗师说的我最不喜欢的事情是有时我的治疗师会说，嘿，有两件事可能是真的。
And I'll be like, yeah, I agree, two things could be true.
我会说，是的，我同意，有两件事可能是真的。
But in this case, one thing is true.
但在这种情况下，有一件事是正确的。
The next time I see her, she tells me she's pretty stoked about it, but not for the reason I thought.
下次我见到她时，她告诉我她对此非常兴奋，但原因并非我想象的那样。
She tells me about a recent experience interacting with a woman in a class she's taking.
她向我讲述了最近在她所参加的课程中与一名女性互动的经历。
I sit in a specific seat every day.
我每天都会坐在特定的座位上。
And I walked in, and she was sitting in my seat.
我走进去，她坐在我的座位上。
And she said to me, I'm sitting in your seat.
她对我说，我坐在你的座位上。
Do you want me to move?
你想让我搬走吗？
And I said, no, it's OK.
我说，不，没关系。
I'll sit over here.
我会坐到这里来。
And she was like, are you sure?
她说，你确定吗？
And we had this back and forth.
我们来回讨论了这个问题。
And I actually said, actually, I really want to sit in that seat.
我实际上说，实际上，我真的很想坐在那个座位上。
Can you move?
你能动吗？
And she moved.
她动了。
And she wasn't upset at all.
而且她一点也不难过。
She was perfectly fine with it.
她对此非常满意。
And I've just never felt that seen before, where somebody's sitting in my seat, they saw my face, they saw that I was distressed.
我以前从未有过这样的感觉，有人坐在我的座位上，他们看到我的脸，他们看到我很痛苦。
They didn't see it as a control thing or like I'm taking it-- they didn't take it personally that I was like, you're in my seat.
他们并不认为这是一种控制，也不认为我在接受它——他们并不认为我是针对你的，你坐在我的座位上。
It felt very good.
感觉非常好。
Yeah, and there's no way she knew I was autistic.
是的，她不可能知道我患有自闭症。
There was just something about the way I approached it, which is that I understood.
我处理这个问题的方式有些问题，那就是我理解。
I think six months ago, I would have said, she's an asshole.
我想六个月前，我会说，她是个混蛋。
She's sitting in my seat.
她坐在我的座位上。
What's wrong with her?
她怎么了？
Why would she sit in my seat?
她为什么要坐我的座位？
I would have taken it personally, like she was fucking with me, or she was messing with me by sitting in my seat, as opposed to knowing that it's something that I'm specifically sensitive about, that I want to sit in the same place.
我会认为这是针对我个人的，就像她在玩我，或者她坐在我的座位上玩弄我，而不是知道这是我特别敏感的事情，我想坐在同一个地方。
So, yeah.
所以，是的。
It seems like it brings up a lot of emotion for you, where it's--
看起来它给你带来了很多情感，它是——
Yeah, it's weird.
是的，这很奇怪。
It's like a different way of feeling seen, even without telling people about the diagnosis.
即使没有告诉人们诊断结果，这就像一种不同的感觉。
And there's something different.
还有一些不同的东西。
I don't know exactly how I'm approaching people differently that they're not taking it personally that their behavior is affecting me.
我不知道我如何以不同的方式对待人们，以至于他们不认为他们的行为正在影响我。
It's great.
这很棒。
I had no idea that it would be so different.
我没想到事情会如此不同。
And I didn't realize that you don't even have to tell people.
我没有意识到你甚至不必告诉别人。
The way I'm approaching people is different.
我与人相处的方式是不同的。
It's true.
这是真的。
When we sat down for this last interview, we were waiting for the studio to be set up, and she said, I'm fine if we don't make small talk while we wait, pretty matter-of-factly.
当我们坐下来进行最后一次采访时，我们正在等待工作室搭建完毕，她说，如果我们在等待时不闲聊，我就没事，事实上，这是很平淡的。
And I understood.
我明白了。
So we sat there in a very comfortable silence.
所以我们坐在那儿，气氛非常舒适，沉默不语。
Janet McNamara is a comedian.
珍妮特·麦克纳马拉是一位喜剧演员。
You can watch her full special, Not Smart Enough, on YouTube.
您可以在 YouTube 上观看她的完整特别节目《不够聪明》。
Act 3, "The Last Description." When you get down to it, labels are just our way of pointing out what we think is remarkable about other people.
第三幕，“最后的描述”。当你认真对待它时，标签只是我们指出我们认为其他人的非凡之处的方式。
That's writer Alfred Jung Lee's argument.
这是作家阿尔弗雷德·李正的论点。
He's been thinking a lot about what we notice in each other, especially as he tries to describe someone very close to him.
他一直在思考我们在彼此身上注意到的东西，尤其是当他试图描述一个与他非常亲近的人时。
Here's Alfred.
这是阿尔弗雷德。
(HOST) ALFRED LEE JUNG: Not long ago, I was reading in a magazine profile a description of a person who, quote, "has a prodigious white beard, wavy gray bangs, and dark beetling eyebrows." A photo of the person was included.
（主持人）阿尔弗雷德·李正：不久前，我在一本杂志简介中读到一个人的描述，引述说，他“有着惊人的白胡子、波浪形的灰色刘海和深色的甲虫眉毛”。其中包括该人的照片。
And as I looked, I admired the efficiency of the description.
当我看着时，我钦佩描述的效率。
It did not say that the man had two arms and a nose.
它没有说这个人有两只手臂和一个鼻子。
These details were assumed.
这些细节是假设的。
Reflecting on this, it occurred to me that when one describes a person, one is also describing how that person deviates from the norm, what makes them different from everyone else.
想到这里，我想到，当一个人描述一个人的时候，也是在描述这个人如何偏离常态，与其他人有何不同。
Recently, someone I'd never met was supposed to pick me up from an airport in the Midwest, and I offered a succinct description of myself-- Asian guy with too much luggage, I texted.
最近，一个我从未见过的人要从中西部的一个机场接我，我简单地描述了自己——我发短信说，是一个行李太多的亚洲人。
I walked out of the airport, towing two suitcases, a carry-on, and a backpack.
我拖着两个行李箱、一个随身行李和一个背包走出机场。
I heard a stranger shout my name.
我听到一个陌生人喊我的名字。
I was recognized before I'd even made it to the curb.
我还没走到路边就被认出来了。
Description draws attention to what is different about a thing.
描述引起人们对事物的不同之处的注意。
"Asian guy with too much luggage" is a good description in Cedar Rapids, less so in Seoul.
“带着太多行李的亚洲人”在锡达拉皮兹是一个很好的描述，但在首尔则不然。
The greater the focus on what is most different, the better the description.
对最不同之处的关注越多，描述就越好。
In an online support group I attended for spousal loss, people often described their dead spouses.
在我参加的一个关于失去配偶的在线支持小组中，人们经常描述他们死去的配偶。
The descriptions usually followed a formula.
描述通常遵循一个公式。
The points of variation included their job.
变化点包括他们的工作。
The dead spouse was an accountant, a store manager, a health care worker.
死去的配偶是一名会计师、商店经理、医护人员。
In personality, they were "stubborn" or "loved to joke." There was a woman who had liked motorcycles, a man who had been a tender father to kids who were not biologically his own.
在性格上，他们“固执”或“爱开玩笑”。有一个喜欢摩托车的女人，有一个对非亲生孩子温柔的父亲。
Sometimes we shared pictures.
有时我们分享照片。
Even as I looked at the pictures and listened to the descriptions, I found it hard to understand that they were once alive.
即使我看着照片、听着描述，我还是很难理解它们曾经是活人。
When someone described their spouse as "stubborn," I took it to mean their spouse had been more stubborn than the average person.
当有人形容他们的配偶“顽固”时，我认为这意味着他们的配偶比一般人更顽固。
But I wasn't sure what this really said.
但我不确定这到底说了什么。
Most of a description goes unsaid.
大部分描述都没有说明。
Lately, my reality has transformed without my noticing, and I have been struggling to describe it.
最近，我的现实在不知不觉中发生了变化，我一直在努力描述它。
My father called me the other day from Korea, and it gave me a chance to try.
有一天我父亲从韩国给我打电话，这给了我一个尝试的机会。
I described the weather in my new hometown in the Midwest, the one where I'd been picked up at the airport, saying that it was in the 70s at the moment, late in the afternoon, that I was 10 minutes from campus, where I decided to go back to school for a writing program, and that the city was hilly and not flat.
我描述了我在机场接我的中西部新家乡的天气，说现在是 70 年代，下午晚些时候，我距离校园只有 10 分钟路程，我决定回到学校参加写作课程，而且这座城市是丘陵而不平坦。
He asked about my new friends and classmates, and I told him what I've been telling everyone-- mid 20s to late 30s, everyone seemingly smart and nice.
他问起了我的新朋友和同学，我告诉了他我一直在告诉大家的事情——20 多岁到 30 多岁，每个人看起来都很聪明和友善。
I told him about my studio apartment, that there was enough room, that it got good light, about the places I could walk to from the apartment.
我告诉他我的单间公寓，有足够的空间，光线很好，还有我可以从公寓步行到的地方。
But there was something else hovering over our conversation, another picture that was not being described.
但我们的谈话中还有其他一些东西，另一幅没有被描述的画面。
It was what my life would have looked like if things had gone according to plan, and how this current situation, far from anywhere I had ever imagined, may or may not have differed from that plan, which might also inform whether or not I was doing OK, and, therefore, whether or not my father needed to worry.
这就是如果事情按计划进行的话，我的生活会是什么样子，以及目前的情况，与我想象的任何地方相去甚远，可能会或可能不会与那个计划不同，这也可能会告诉我我是否做得很好，因此，我的父亲是否需要担心。
It was this second picture, this other life that we were talking around, and the extent to which my present life may or may not have varied from it that our conversation was also about.
我们谈论的是第二张照片，另一种生活，以及我现在的生活可能会或可能不会在多大程度上与我们谈话的内容有所不同。
I remember one time when I felt I understood something about one of the other dead spouses.
我记得有一次，我感觉自己对另一位死去的配偶有了一些了解。
Instead of her spouse, a woman described an electric razor.
一位女士描述了一把电动剃须刀，而不是她的丈夫。
It had belonged to her husband, and he had used it on many mornings.
它是她丈夫的，他已经用了很多个早晨了。
She used to hate the noise, but now that he was dead, she missed the sound of the stupid thing when she woke up.
她曾经讨厌这种噪音，但现在他死了，她醒来时就想念那个愚蠢东西的声音。
Somehow, he came alive to me then, though this detail was routine and did not distinguish him.
不知何故，他当时对我来说是活生生的，尽管这个细节是例行公事的，并没有让他与众不同。
She held the razor in her hand and flipped it on for us.
她手里拿着剃须刀，为我们打开了它。
People want to know what she looked like.
人们想知道她长什么样。
Children especially want to see pictures.
孩子们特别想看图片。
But in the last five years of her life, my wife's most noticeable characteristics were often related to either cancer or treatment.
但在我妻子生命的最后五年里，她最引人注目的特征往往与癌症或治疗有关。
She lost and regrew her hair more than once and sometimes wore a rotation of wigs, none of which quite suited her.
她的头发不止一次地脱落又重新长出来，有时还会戴上几顶假发，但这些都不太适合她。
She gained and lost large amounts of weight, and over time, her face swelled.
她的体重大量增加和减少，随着时间的推移，她的脸也肿胀起来。
When one looks at a picture of her from these years, one often sees a sick person before anything else, while at other times, one sees someone vibrant and healthy.
当人们看到她这些年的照片时，常常会看到一个病人，而其他时候，人们会看到一个充满活力和健康的人。
I am not sure which version to describe.
我不确定该描述哪个版本。
More variables-- she was 28 when she was diagnosed with stage IV cancer, 33 when she died.
更多变数——她 28 岁时被诊断出患有 IV 期癌症，33 岁时去世。
Her driver's license says she was 5 foot 6 and 115 pounds, with brown hair and green eyes-- although the weight was incorrect, perhaps one of those things she had filled out as a teenager and carried over for years.
她的驾驶执照上写着她身高 5 英尺 6 英寸，体重 115 磅，棕色头发，绿色眼睛——虽然体重不正确，但这也许是她十几岁时填写的数据之一，并保留了很多年。
It became correct again as she sickened and then dropped well below that number.
当她生病时，这个数字再次变得正确，然后下降到远低于这个数字。
In my memory, her eyes are more brown than the green that was documented.
在我的记忆中，她的眼睛比记录中的绿色更棕色。
I could say that when she was healthy, her hair was thin, often not much longer than shoulder length, sometimes worn with a headband and usually not long enough to tie up, although I can't even be sure about this last part without checking photographs.
我可以说，当她健康时，她的头发很稀疏，通常长度不超过肩长，有时戴着发带，通常长度不够扎起来，尽管如果不检查照片，我什至无法确定最后一部分。
When she was young, her dad used to tease her about having a big head.
小时候，她爸爸常常嘲笑她头大。
Sometimes I offer that she was white, but usually, I wait until the question is asked.
有时我会说她是白人，但通常我会等到有人问这个问题。
Sometimes I envy the white person with a dead spouse, of whom the question would be less likely to be asked.
有时我会羡慕那些配偶已故的白人，因为他们不太可能被问到这个问题。
In her eulogy, I described the thing about her that I found most distinctive-- the way the air around her would transform and still and her entire body react when she felt something deeply, whether she was encountering a view of the ocean, the dye of a fabric, a memory.
在她的悼词中，我描述了她身上最独特的一点——当她深深感受到某种东西时，她周围的空气会发生变化、静止，她的整个身体会做出反应，无论她遇到的是海景、织物的染料还是记忆。
In these moments, she might whisper or cry.
在这些时刻，她可能会低语或哭泣。
And I felt that if I touched her skin, she would dissolve into vapor.
我觉得如果我触碰她的皮肤，她就会化为蒸气。
In those moments, I could also see the young child who had been too sensitive to the world.
那一刻，我也看到了那个对世界过于敏感的小孩子。
In family lore, she had been a problem child, emotional and inconsolable, prone to tantrums.
在家庭传说中，她是一个问题儿童，情绪化、无法安慰、容易发脾气。
A sense of injustice followed her throughout her life and still got the better of her sometimes.
一种不公正的感觉伴随着她一生，有时甚至会占据她的上风。
Perhaps for this reason, she was a quick and firm judge of character.
也许正是因为这个原因，她对性格的判断非常迅速而坚定。
She gave me a list of people she did not want at her memorial.
她给了我一份她不希望参加追悼会的人名单。
I can also describe those less obvious distinctions that reveal themselves only after long periods of attention, that she tilted her head slightly as a greeting when she walked toward someone she knew, that in her sleep, she raised her arms into the air and slowly scratched one and then the other, that she became nervous and reached for my hand when an airplane was about to take off.
我还可以描述一些不太明显的区别，这些区别只有在长时间的关注后才会显现出来，当她走向她认识的人时，她轻轻地倾斜了头作为问候，在睡梦中，她举起双臂，慢慢地抓着一只，然后抓着另一只，当一架飞机即将起飞时，她变得紧张，伸手去抓我的手。
Yet, increasingly, these details feel irrelevant.
然而，这些细节越来越让人觉得无关紧要。
As time passes, she becomes more to me, the things that made her just like other people.
随着时间的流逝，她对我来说变得更加重要，这让她变得和其他人一样。
I think of two arms and two ears and a nose that sometimes ran.
我想到了两只手臂、两只耳朵和一个有时会奔跑的鼻子。
She owned socks and scarves, wrapped a towel around herself after a shower, wrote cards, rode the bus, walked around puddles, opened and closed curtains, listened and asked questions, got hungry and tired, sometimes wore sneakers.
她有袜子和围巾，洗完澡后用毛巾裹住自己，写卡片，乘公共汽车，在水坑里走来走去，打开和关闭窗帘，倾听和提问，感到饥饿和疲倦，有时还穿运动鞋。
She was like anyone else, which is to say that simply by breathing, she created life and atmosphere.
她和其他人一样，也就是说，仅仅通过呼吸，她就创造了生命和气氛。
This increasingly seems to me the point, the description of the thing itself, rather than what makes it different.
在我看来，这越来越像是对事物本身的描述，而不是事物的不同之处。
I will try to describe one of the happiest days of my life.
我将尝试描述我一生中最快乐的日子之一。
My partner and I are leaving the hospital.
我和我的伴侣即将出院。
She has been through her first year of surgery, recovery, drug treatment.
她已经经历了手术、康复和药物治疗的第一年。
She holds in her hand the printout of a radiology report.
她手里拿着一份放射学报告的打印件。
It describes scanned images of her body, of her head, chest, abdomen, pelvis.
它描述了她身体、头部、胸部、腹部、骨盆的扫描图像。
The report for each of the four scans gives the following descriptions-- unremarkable, unremarkable, unremarkable, unremarkable.
四次扫描的报告均给出以下描述：无异常、无异常、无异常、无异常。
On this day, there is nothing about her worth describing.
这一天，她身上没有什么值得描述的。
Alfred Jung Lee is a writer in Iowa City.
阿尔弗雷德·郑·李 (Alfred Jung Lee) 是爱荷华市的一位作家。
This essay was originally published in The Believer.
本文最初发表于《信徒》杂志。
Our version was produced by Diane Wu.
我们的版本是由 Diane Wu 制作的。
Well, today's show, the person holding the label of producer was me.
那么今天的节目，顶着制作人标签的人就是我。
It was edited by our executive editor, Emanuele Berry.
它由我们的执行编辑 Emanuele Berry 编辑。
The people who put today's show together include Phia Bennin, Dana Chivvis, Emmanuel Dzotsi, Cassie Howley, Adriene Lilly, Seth Lind, Molly Marcello, Andrea Marks, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, Nadia Reiman, Anthony Roman, Ryan Rumery, Ruby Schwartz, Alissa Shipp, Christopher Swetala.
今天节目的制作人包括 Phia Bennin、Dana Chivvis、Emmanuel Dzotsi、Cassie Howley、Adriene Lilly、Seth Lind、Molly Marcello、Andrea Marks、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson、Nadia Reiman、Anthony Roman、Ryan Rumery、Ruby Schwartz、Alissa Shipp、Christopher Swetala。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Our senior editors, David Kestenbaum and Nancy Updike.
我们的高级编辑 David Kestenbaum 和 Nancy Updike。
Special thanks this week to Betsy Johnson, Allan Phillips, Lindsay Naeder, and Marta Chmielowicz at Autism Speaks, Kory Andreas, Se Eun Gong, Leading Age, Melissa Honig, Evelyn Marte, Amina Dubuisson, Yves Vilas, and the other workers on TPS who shared their experiences with us.
本周特别感谢 Autism Speaks 的 Betsy Johnson、Allan Phillips、Lindsay Naeder 和 Marta Chmielowicz、Kory Andreas、Se Eun Kong、Leading Age、Melissa Honig、Evelyn Marte、Amina Dubuisson、Yves Vilas 以及 TPS 的其他工作人员与我们分享了他们的经验。
Thanks, also, to all of our This American Life Partners.
还要感谢我们所有的《This American Life》合作伙伴。
Their support is an essential part of our budget.
他们的支持是我们预算的重要组成部分。
Subscribe as a Life Partner, and you'll get regular, exclusive bonus episodes.
作为生活伴侣订阅，您将获得定期的独家奖励剧集。
You'll listen ad-free.
您将享受无广告打扰的聆听体验。
And you'll help us continue to make the show.
你将帮助我们继续制作这个节目。
Join at thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners.
加入 thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners。
That link is also in the show notes.
该链接也在节目注释中。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to my boss, Ira Glass.
一如既往地感谢我的老板艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
He's off this week, working on his new radio show, That American Life.
他本周休假，忙于他的新广播节目《美国生活》。
He says our show is old news.
他说我们的节目已经是旧闻了。
I'm like, I already know this.
我想，我已经知道这一点了。
Why are we talking about this?
我们为什么要谈论这个？
I'm Tobin Low.
我是托宾·洛。
Ira Glass will be back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯将于下周回归，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。