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Prologue: Prologue David Kestenbaum From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言：序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 David Kestenbaum，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm David Kestenbaum, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆，代理艾拉·格拉斯。
This morning on the subway, this guy brought his own chair.
今天早上在地铁上，这个家伙自带了椅子。
[LAUGHTER] I was sitting next to him, but he was in a foldout chair.
[笑声]我坐在他旁边，但他坐在折叠椅上。
That's Aviva DeKornfeld, apparently our transportation correspondent.
那是阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德 (Aviva DeKornfeld)，显然是我们的交通通讯记者。
She came in to the studio to tell me a story about a woman on a bus ride that went very strangely.
她来到工作室给我讲了一个关于一个女人在公交车上的故事，故事的进展非常奇怪。
Her name's Duck.
她的名字叫鸭子。
Or that's her nickname.
或者这是她的昵称。
That's what we're going to call her.
我们就这么称呼她。
She takes this bus between New York and DC a lot, back and forth.
她经常乘坐这趟巴士往返于纽约和华盛顿特区之间。
So on this trip, she's going from New York to DC, Union Station.
所以在这次旅行中，她将从纽约前往华盛顿特区的联合车站。
And she's leaving around 6:00 PM at night.
她将于晚上 6:00 左右离开。
And she has this whole routine around the bus because she's done this trip a million times.
她在公共汽车周围有这整个例行公事，因为她已经完成了这样的旅行一百万次。
This is Duck.
这是鸭子。
Then I'll go get a margarita, get on the bus, take a nap, wake up back home in DC.
然后我会去喝一杯玛格丽特，上车，小睡一会儿，醒来回到华盛顿的家。
I boarded the bus as normal.
我像往常一样登上了公共汽车。
They checked me in.
他们给我登记了。
The guy had the app with all the passengers.
那家伙给所有乘客都安装了这个应用程序。
He made a little announcement.
他发布了一个小公告。
And they even-- I remember distinctly, they said, there's no stops planned.
他们甚至——我清楚地记得，他们说，没有计划停靠。
Great.
伟大的。
Are you good at sleeping on public transit?
你擅长在公共交通上睡觉吗？
Oh my god, you're so lucky.
天哪，你真幸运。
Duck My parents would always joke that I could sleep through anything.
鸭子 我的父母总是开玩笑说我可以睡过任何事。
So she goes to sleep.
所以她去睡觉了。
And then she wakes up around 9:00 PM to a bunch of commotion.
然后她在晚上 9:00 左右在一阵骚动中醒来。
And all the passengers are talking on the bus about what's going on.
公交车上所有的乘客都在谈论发生的事情。
And what's going on is really odd, and so odd that Duck starts writing a thread about this online, which is how I heard about it.
发生的事情真的很奇怪，奇怪的是 Duck 开始在网上写一篇关于这件事的帖子，这就是我听说这件事的方式。
Here's the first post she writes.
这是她写的第一篇文章。
I just woke up from a nap, and somehow, while I was asleep, everyone on the bus has figured out that we are not going to the right place.
我刚刚从小睡中醒来，不知何故，当我睡着时，公共汽车上的每个人都发现我们没有去正确的地方。
Aviva, do they think there's a mistake or something?
Aviva，他们认为有什么错误吗？
Well, the driver of the bus is apparently telling passengers, like, I'm not going to the wrong place.
好吧，公交车司机显然是在告诉乘客，我不会走错地方。
You're on the wrong bus.
你上错公共汽车了。
This bus isn't going to Washington, DC.
这辆巴士不去华盛顿特区。
It's going further south to Virginia.
它继续向南延伸到弗吉尼亚州。
And we're not going to stop.
我们不会停止。
So Duck writes another post.
所以鸭子又写了一篇文章。
He's refusing to talk to anyone while he's driving and is now driving really fast.
他开车时拒绝与任何人交谈，而且现在车速非常快。
I think this is when the attitude on the bus starts to turn a little bit towards maybe we're not in a safe situation.
我想这就是公交车上的态度开始转变的时候，也许我们的处境并不安全。
And what do they think is going on?
他们认为发生了什么？
Like, is it possible they just got on the wrong bus?
比如，他们有可能上错车了吗？
No, because every person on the bus has been checked in by the driver as going to Washington, DC.
不，因为车上的每个人都已被司机登记为前往华盛顿特区。
Yeah.
是的。
David Kestenbaum So this is the situation.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 情况就是这样。
They're all basically trapped on a bus.
他们基本上都被困在公共汽车上。
And the driver is not doing what bus drivers have typically done in the history of bus driving.
而且司机并没有做公交车司机在公交车驾驶历史上通常所做的事情。
I'm not sure exactly how to say this, but, whatever you think of President Trump, maybe this is a feeling you have been experiencing?
我不知道到底该怎么说，但是，无论你如何看待特朗普总统，也许这就是你一直在经历的感觉？
He's made hundreds of millions of dollars selling meme coins to his fans and other people.
他通过向粉丝和其他人出售模因币赚了数亿美元。
He is bombing boats off Venezuela.
他正在轰炸委内瑞拉附近的船只。
He's tearing down the East Wing and building a giant ballroom.
他正在拆除东翼并建造一个巨大的舞厅。
Maybe this makes you feel like everything's out of control.
也许这会让你感觉一切都失去了控制。
Or maybe you're fine with it.
或者也许你对此没意见。
Maybe the bus driver is a genius, and you think we should all just sit back and see.
也许公交车司机是个天才，你认为我们都应该坐下来看看。
In this case, though, the passengers are not into it.
但在这种情况下，乘客们并不感兴趣。
And when a person has so completely left the normal script of things, the question is, what do you do?
当一个人完全脱离了事物的正常剧本时，问题是，你会做什么？
So the first thing they try to do is reason with the bus driver, reassert the normal facts and rules for the bus ride.
因此，他们尝试做的第一件事就是与公交车司机讲道理，重申乘坐公交车的正常事实和规则。
Duck said that two guys went up to him at the front of the bus and said, man to man, we're going to Union Station.
达克说，有两个人在公共汽车前面走到他面前，一对一地说道，我们要去联合车站。
And?
和？
Aviva DeKornfeld He said, no, we're not.
Aviva DeKornfeld 他说，不，我们不是。
Didn't work.
没用。
What do they try next?
接下来他们会尝试什么？
Aviva DeKornfeld After that, someone notices that he has a French accent and thinks, oh, maybe this is a language barrier issue.
Aviva DeKornfeld 之后，有人注意到他有法国口音，并想，哦，也许这是一个语言障碍问题。
So they start talking to him in French and then end up arguing with him in French.
所以他们开始用法语与他交谈，然后最终用法语与他争论。
And then it becomes very clear it is not a language barrier issue.
然后就很清楚这不是语言障碍问题。
Wow.
哇。
Aviva DeKornfeld And then Duck just starts firing off post after post.
Aviva DeKornfeld 然后 Duck 就开始一个接一个地射击。
And you can feel things escalating as you're reading the thread.
当你阅读这篇文章时，你会感觉到事情正在升级。
And it's like, first, the bus company is trying to call the driver, and he's not answering.
就像，首先，公交公司试图给司机打电话，但他没有接听。
And then someone pulls up Waze and sees that they're going 20 miles over the speed limit.
然后有人打开位智，发现他们超速了 20 英里。
And then someone gets the bus company on speakerphone and is walking it up to the front of the bus.
然后有人用免提电话联系了巴士公司，并走到巴士前面。
And then Duck could actually hear the bus company guy yelling, you're going to Union Station, to the bus driver.
然后鸭子实际上可以听到公交车公司的工作人员对公交车司机大喊，你要去联合车站。
And then he screams in response that he doesn't get paid enough and is refusing.
然后他尖叫着回应说他没有得到足够的报酬并且拒绝了。
Wow.
哇。
Aviva DeKornfeld And then person after person-- each kind of feels like they're going to be the hero who convinces the bus driver to get back on track.
Aviva DeKornfeld 然后一个又一个的人——每个人都感觉自己将成为说服公交车司机回到正轨的英雄。
And so each person takes their phone with the company reps on speakerphone to the bus driver.
因此，每个人都将公司代表的免提电话交给公交车司机。
And then in response, he just grabs them and hangs up.
然后作为回应，他只是抓住它们并挂断电话。
Well, so then that is the next thing that people are thinking about doing.
好吧，这就是人们正在考虑做的下一件事。
So while a couple passengers are in the front of the bus, fighting with the driver, the rest of the people in the back of the bus are debating whether or not to call the police.
因此，当几名乘客在公交车前部与司机打架时，公交车后部的其他人正在争论是否要报警。
Because half the bus is thinking this is actually just going to agitate him further, and that feels dangerous.
因为一半的公交车都认为这实际上只会进一步激怒他，这感觉很危险。
And the other half are like, well, the bus company can't help us.
另一半则认为，巴士公司帮不了我们。
So who is the next authority figure who can come to our help?
那么下一个可以帮助我们的权威人物是谁呢？
So what happens?
那么会发生什么呢？
Aviva DeKornfeld Eventually, someone does call the police.
最终，有人报了警。
And Duck's next post is, quote, "OK.
引用达克的下一篇文章，“好吧。
Someone called the police but suggested they avoid pulling over the bus because he's driving so erratically.
有人报了警，但建议他们避免将公共汽车靠边停车，因为他的驾驶方式非常不稳定。
We are passing DC."
我们正在经过华盛顿特区。”
The bus is kind of split.
巴士有点分裂。
Half the bus feels like they're in the sequel to the movie Speed.
一半的巴士感觉就像是电影《生死时速》的续集。
Like they're being kidnapped or something.
就像他们被绑架什么的。
Yes.
是的。
And then the other half feels like, you know what?
然后另一半感觉就像，你知道吗？
Let's just sit tight, see what happens.
让我们静观其变，看看会发生什么。
In the dark at, like, 75 miles an hour on some highway.
在黑暗中，在某条高速公路上以每小时 75 英里的速度行驶。
Yes.
是的。
David Kestenbaum It's like they tried all these things, and now there's nothing else they can do.
David Kestenbaum 就好像他们尝试了所有这些事情，但现在他们无能为力。
There's a good bit of wanting the situation to be otherwise and wanting it to be easily figureoutable in the moment and not having to wait for something bad to happen or wait to figure out how it all resolves.
人们很希望情况能有所不同，并希望它能在当下很容易地解决，而不必等待坏事发生或等待弄清楚这一切如何解决。
Yeah.
是的。
And then at some point, you're like, well, I guess we just have to-- it's actually up to him.
然后在某个时候，你会想，好吧，我想我们必须这样做——这实际上取决于他。
We have to go on this entire bus ride, no matter where it ends.
我们必须走完整个巴士旅程，无论终点在哪里。
So he does eventually get off the highway in Vienna, Virginia.
所以他最终在弗吉尼亚州维也纳下了高速公路。
Like he promised.
就像他承诺的那样。
Aviva DeKornfeld And he does, weirdly, sort of go through the normal motions of a bus driver at a bus stop.
Aviva DeKornfeld 奇怪的是，他确实在公交车站做了一些公交车司机的正常动作。
And he helps everyone get off and get their luggage from underneath the bus, and-- although people are yelling at him, and he's kind of yelling back.
他帮助每个人下车，从公共汽车下面取出行李，而且——尽管人们对他大喊大叫，他也大喊大叫。
And he's flipping people off.
他正在让人们失望。
And then once everyone's off, he just drives off.
然后等大家都走了之后，他就开车走了。
Did they ever get an answer to what was going on with the guy?
他们有没有得到关于这个人发生了什么事的答案？
No. But the bus company did send another bus to Virginia to pick them up and take them back to DC.
没有。但巴士公司确实派了另一辆巴士到弗吉尼亚州接他们并带他们回华盛顿。
And that bus driver was very apologetic and was like, sorry about that other guy.
那个公交车司机非常抱歉，并且对另一个人感到抱歉。
I think he's new.
我认为他是新人。
I think he's new?
我觉得他是新人？
Aviva DeKornfeld Yes, which does not seem like the behavior of a new bus driver to me.
Aviva DeKornfeld 是的，在我看来，这不像是新公交车司机的行为。
But--
但是——
But they made it home?
但他们回家了吗？
Aviva DeKornfeld Yes.
阿维娃·德科恩菲尔德 是的。
They made it home.
他们成功回家了。
We did reach out to the bus company.
我们确实联系了巴士公司。
A spokesperson said the driver does not work there anymore.
一位发言人表示，司机已经不再在那里工作了。
He had disobeyed his supervisor's instructions.
他违反了上司的指示。
Quote, "As to what caused him to do so, we are not sure."
引用：“至于是什么原因导致他这样做，我们不确定。”
Duck said that the bus ride from Vienna, Virginia, back to DC, their original destination, was very quiet.
达克说，从弗吉尼亚州维也纳返回原来目的地华盛顿的巴士非常安静。
Today on the show, people who find themselves on journeys they did not intend or agree to.
今天在节目中，人们发现自己踏上了他们不打算或不同意的旅程。
They find themselves trapped on these journeys, and they have to figure out what to do.
他们发现自己被困在这些旅程中，他们必须弄清楚该怎么做。
In one story, a famous tree disappears from a landscape overnight.
在一个故事中，一棵名树一夜之间从风景中消失。
Also, one woman's shockingly difficult quest to get some badly needed-ice cubes.
此外，一名妇女想要获得一些急需的冰块的过程极其困难。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
Act One, The Gardener.
第一幕，园丁。
Sometimes the bus ride you're stuck on, against your will, is the thoughts that are spinning around in your own mind.
有时候，你被困在公交车上，违背你的意愿，是你自己脑海中旋转的想法。
Ayman Oghanna has a story like that.
艾曼·奥加纳（Ayman Oghanna）有一个这样的故事。
He's a reporter who's been on our show before, does his stories from a lot of different countries and conflict zones.
他是一名记者，以前参加过我们的节目，报道过许多不同国家和冲突地区的故事。
Here he is.
他在这里。
My wife and I live in a sleepy seaside town on the outskirts of Athens, the kind of place where nothing interesting ever happens.
我和我的妻子住在雅典郊区一个沉睡的海滨小镇，那里从来没有发生过什么有趣的事情。
She says that's why we live there.
她说这就是我们住在那里的原因。
We run into our neighbors all the time in our small apartment building.
我们总是在我们的小公寓楼里遇到邻居。
Below us, two floors down, is this guy, Christos.
在我们下面两层楼的地方，有一个叫克里斯托的人。
He's a Greek air force colonel in his mid 50s, has a family-- a traditional kind of guy.
他是一名 50 多岁的希腊空军上校，有一个家庭——一个传统的人。
He has this kind of clean face, bright eyes, always a little bit shy and ready to help.
他有一张干净的脸，明亮的眼睛，总是有点害羞，随时准备提供帮助。
This is my wife, Klea.
这是我的妻子，克莱。
Klea Like, he will always be helpful with door or with the cat, Kuku.
就像克利亚一样，他总是会在门或猫库库方面提供帮助。
Kuku is our cat.
库库是我们的猫。
He's an indoor-outdoor cat.
他是一只室内室外猫。
And to be honest, he's kind of an asshole, bites me in my sleep sometimes.
说实话，他有点混蛋，有时会在我睡梦中咬我。
But Christos is always nice to him.
但克里斯托对他总是很好。
So he would always be gentle with Kuku, open the door to Kuku, and say, hey, how are you?
所以他总是对库库很温柔，给库库开门，说，嘿，你好吗？
Even talk to my cat-- this is what I want to say.
甚至跟我的猫说话——这就是我想说的。
So the feeling I have is just this kind, trusted person in our building.
所以我的感觉就是我们大楼里有这样一个善良、值得信赖的人。
Christos shares the apartment with his wife, teenage daughter, and mother-in-law.
克里斯托与他的妻子、十几岁的女儿和岳母合住这套公寓。
The wife and mother-in-law, in our experience, are not so nice, the opposite of Christos, always yelling at him, causing problems in the building.
根据我们的经验，妻子和婆婆不太好，与克里斯托相反，总是对他大喊大叫，在大楼里造成问题。
When we heard Christos's family yelling at him, it always felt a bit sad.
当我们听到克里斯托的家人对他大喊大叫时，总感觉有点难过。
He never shouted back, never defended himself.
他从不反击，从不为自己辩护。
He just absorbed it quietly.
他只是静静地吸收。
In the evenings, he'd water the small vegetable patch in front of our building-- tomatoes, cabbages, peppers pushing up through dry soil.
晚上，他会给我们大楼前的小菜地浇水——西红柿、卷心菜、辣椒从干燥的土壤中长出来。
He was the most ordinary presence imaginable, until one day in February.
直到二月的某一天，他都是你能想象到的最普通的存在。
I'll tell you how I find out about this.
我会告诉你我是如何发现这件事的。
So I was with my mum, Chloe.
所以我和妈妈克洛伊在一起。
And Pardis and everyone was there.
帕迪斯和所有人都在那里。
Your family.
你的家人。
Klea My family.
克利亚 我的家人。
So my family was there.
所以我的家人都在那里。
And out of the blue, my mum says, did you find out about Christos?
出乎意料的是，我妈妈说，你知道克里斯托斯的事了吗？
Did you heard what happened in the news?
你听说新闻里发生了什么吗？
And I'm totally confused.
我完全困惑了。
I didn't know what she was talking about.
我不知道她在说什么。
And then she explains, Christos that lives in the building, he was caught by the police.
然后她解释说，住在大楼里的克里斯托被警察抓住了。
He is caught by the police about what?
他因为什么被警察抓了？
I'm like, what?
我想，什么？
And she says, oh, yeah, he's a spy.
她说，哦，是的，他是个间谍。
It was like a bomb.
这就像一颗炸弹。
International espionage in our little apartment building.
我们的小公寓楼里有国际间谍活动。
According to news reports, the Greek intelligence service had been quietly monitoring him for months.
据新闻报道，希腊情报部门几个月来一直在悄悄监视他。
He's accused of passing classified NATO material to China, and it may take a long time to fully assess the damage.
他被指控将北约机密材料传递给中国，可能需要很长时间才能全面评估损失。
For his part, Christos has largely admitted to the charges.
就克里斯托而言，他基本上承认了这些指控。
We reached out to him and his family.
我们联系了他和他的家人。
Through his lawyer, Christos said he initially thought he was working with a private company on a legitimate business opportunity.
克里斯托通过他的律师表示，他最初以为自己是在与一家私人公司合作以获得合法的商业机会。
He didn't know they were actually working with the Chinese government.
他不知道他们实际上正在与中国政府合作。
And gradually, he was pressured into spying.
渐渐地，他被迫从事间谍活动。
He apologized to his country, the armed forces, his colleagues, and his family.
他向他的国家、武装部队、同事和家人道歉。
Reportedly, he's cooperating with investigators.
据报道，他正在配合调查人员。
But that's not really why I'm telling you this story.
但这并不是我告诉你这个故事的真正原因。
I'm telling it because for years, I was convinced there were spies all around me.
我之所以这么说，是因为多年来我一直坚信我周围都有间谍。
10 years ago, I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
10年前，我被诊断出患有双相情感障碍。
I've had episodes of paranoia, sometimes psychosis, often involving spies.
我曾有过偏执症，有时甚至是精神病，经常涉及间谍。
And now, here we were, with an accused spy living in our building.
现在，我们的大楼里住着一名被指控的间谍。
Madness doesn't arrive suddenly.
疯狂并不是突然到来的。
It slides in quietly, like a familiar voice, whispering things you've longed to hear.
它静静地滑入，就像一个熟悉的声音，低语着你渴望听到的事情。
My most recent episode happened a few years ago.
我最近的经历发生在几年前。
I had just returned from a reporting trip to Israel in the occupied West Bank.
我刚刚从被占领的约旦河西岸的以色列报道之旅回来。
It started with my phone.
事情是从我的手机开始的。
It seemed to be behaving strangely, overheating in my hand, apps freezing, missed calls appearing from countries I'd never been.
它似乎表现得很奇怪，我的手过热，应用程序冻结，来自我从未去过的国家的未接来电出现。
These could all be explained, of course, if, say, I was under surveillance.
当然，如果我受到监视的话，这些都是可以解释的。
Then I started noticing suspicious people-- Chinese tourists taking pictures on their phones of things that weren't particularly interesting.
然后我开始注意到可疑的人——中国游客用手机拍一些不是特别有趣的东西。
What about that delivery bike idling too long outside the building?
那辆送货自行车在大楼外空转太久怎么办？
One afternoon, I saw a woman in sunglasses walking the same way as me, which I took as a sign I was being followed.
一天下午，我看到一个戴着墨镜的女人和我走在同一条路上，我认为这是有人跟踪我。
So I hopped on an Athens city bus.
所以我跳上了雅典城市巴士。
I'd given her the slip, only to find myself arriving in the airport, which is a perfect place if you're imagining international espionage-- people from all over the globe, flights from Istanbul, Vienna, Doha, strange tongues, faces, and people.
我给了她机会，却发现自己到达了机场，如果你想象国际间谍活动的话，这里是一个完美的地方——来自世界各地的人，从伊斯坦布尔、维也纳、多哈起飞的航班，陌生的语言、面孔和人。
But none stranger than me-- I wandered departures, slyly photographing people I thought were agents.
但没有人比我更陌生——我在出发地徘徊，偷偷地拍摄那些我认为是特工的人。
I uploaded photos of them to Instagram to let them know I had them made.
我将它们的照片上传到 Instagram，让他们知道它们是我制作的。
It was exhilarating.
真是令人兴奋。
Mania can feel electric.
躁狂症会让人感到触电。
When I was in this state, people would notice that I was off and presume I was drunk or high.
当我处于这种状态时，人们会注意到我不在状态，并认为我喝醉了或吸毒了。
Loved ones who knew me better could see something was wrong and suggested getting help.
更了解我的亲人可能会发现问题并建议寻求帮助。
But I wouldn't listen, convinced that they were trying to lock me up in a psych ward to silence me, preventing me from carrying out my hazy mission, like I had some purpose but didn't know what it was.
但我不听，确信他们想把我关在精神病房里，让我保持沉默，阻止我执行模糊的任务，就好像我有某种目的，但不知道它是什么。
Soon, I was sure there were spies in the building.
很快，我确信大楼里有间谍。
Weirdly, one person I did not suspect, even in psychosis, was mild-mannered Christos.
奇怪的是，即使在精神错乱的情况下，我也没有怀疑一个人是性情温和的克里斯托。
Klea watched me spin out.
克莱看着我旋转出去。
We'd recently gotten engaged, and now I was talking about spies all the time.
我们最近订婚了，现在我一直在谈论间谍。
At first, she told herself it would pass.
起初，她告诉自己一切都会过去。
Then she realized it might not, which was frightening.
然后她意识到可能不是，这很可怕。
And then I disappeared.
然后我就消失了。
After a few days, Klea called the British Embassy and the police.
几天后，克利亚给英国大使馆和警方打电话。
They eventually found me, detained me, and took me to a mental hospital.
他们最终找到了我，拘留了我，并把我带到了精神病院。
Yeah.
是的。
That was scary.
那太可怕了。
It was scary.
太可怕了。
Because I was afraid you might never come back again in your stable place, that I would never see and talk to the person I remember.
因为我担心你可能再也不会回到你的马厩了，我再也见不到那个我记得的人，也不会和他说话了。
Oh, also, I remember this.
哦，我也记得这个。
In this madness, there were moments where you had your sanity.
在这疯狂的时刻，你也有清醒的时候。
That was so, so weird.
那就太、太奇怪了。
Like what?
比如什么？
Klea Like, I remember you were at the psychiatric hospital, right?
Klea Like，我记得你在精神病院，对吧？
And the nurse was trying to convince you to stay stable and have your vaccine.
护士试图说服您保持稳定并接种疫苗。
Not vaccine-- injection.
不是疫苗——注射。
Klea Injection, sorry-- in order for you to calm down, because the police was there.
克利亚注射剂，抱歉——为了让你冷静下来，因为警察在那里。
And they would had to put handcuffs in order to transport you from the public hospital to the private one.
他们必须给你戴上手铐才能把你从公立医院送到私立医院。
And you were in denial.
而你却在否认。
You were like, I'm not doing this.
你说，我不会这样做。
So in some point, you said, I want my fiancee to come.
所以在某些时候，你说，我希望我的未婚妻来。
And that's my condition.
这就是我的条件。
If she comes, then I'll-- so you were negotiating things.
如果她来，那么我会——所以你们正在谈判事情。
And when they were transporting you, I was with them.
当他们运送你时，我和他们在一起。
And you said, my love, didn't I promise you adventures?
你说，亲爱的，我不是答应过你冒险吗？
So here you are.
所以你在这里。
These are the adventures.
这些都是冒险。
Later, she told me she'd started to wonder if I was a spy, that my obsession with espionage made more sense if I was somehow part of it.
后来，她告诉我，她开始怀疑我是否是一名间谍，如果我以某种方式参与其中，我对间谍活动的痴迷就更有意义了。
It turns out, delusions about espionage and religion are extremely common in people who have bipolar disorder.
事实证明，关于间谍活动和宗教的妄想在双相情感障碍患者中极为常见。
After a few weeks in hospital, I was released.
住院几周后，我出院了。
Klea found a bespectacled, goateed professor of psychiatry who she hoped could help me.
克莱找到了一位戴着眼镜、留着山羊胡的精神病学教授，她希望他能帮助我。
He introduced me to something called psychoeducation.
他向我介绍了一种叫做心理教育的东西。
I'd seen shrinks before but had some bad experiences.
我以前见过心理医生，但有过一些不好的经历。
Psychoeducation was different.
心理教育则不同。
It taught me to learn the mechanics of my disorder the way a psychiatrist would-- what triggers look like, how symptoms stacked up, what the early warning lights were.
它教会我像精神科医生那样了解我的疾病的机制——触发因素是什么样的，症状是如何叠加的，早期预警灯是什么。
I was less a passive patient and more a junior practitioner in my own case.
在我自己的案例中，我不再是一个被动的病人，而是一个初级医生。
I started to map my own warning signs-- a broken sleep cycle, the rush of success.
我开始绘制自己的警告信号——睡眠周期中断、急于求成。
I made sure to always take my meds as prescribed and guard my sleep like it was my job, especially on the days that I felt least like doing either.
我确保始终按规定服药并保证睡眠，就像我的工作一样，尤其是在我最不想做的日子里。
When I sat up, typing revelations at 2:00 AM, convinced I had uncovered truth, the rule was simple-- type them out, but don't send them to anyone.
当我在凌晨 2:00 坐起来，输入启示录时，确信我已经发现了真相，规则很简单——把它们打印出来，但不要发送给任何人。
Then check in daylight.
然后在白天检查。
Most mornings, the revelation looked like nonsense from an overheated mind.
大多数早晨，这个启示看起来就像是头脑过热时的胡言乱语。
For the first few months, it was hard to admit that none of it had actually happened.
在最初的几个月里，很难承认这一切都没有真正发生过。
I went back over it all, searching for proof that it was real, that someone really was watching me.
我回顾了这一切，寻找证据证明这是真的，有人真的在看着我。
I've learned to remind myself that coincidences do happen all the time.
我学会提醒自己，巧合总是会发生。
Everything can be a symbol if you let it.
只要你愿意，一切都可以成为象征。
When Klea found out Christos had been arrested, I was in Syria on a reporting trip.
当克莱发现克里斯托被捕时，我正在叙利亚进行报道。
She was worried how I would respond to the news.
她担心我会如何回应这个消息。
How am I going to tell Ayman that what he was telling me is true, this kind of ironic situation?
在这种讽刺的情况下，我该如何告诉艾曼他告诉我的是真的呢？
My fear was like, what if I trigger you?
我的恐惧就像，如果我触发你怎么办？
I trigger something bad.
我触发了一些不好的事情。
So that was a point when I called you.
所以这就是我打电话给你的时候。
And I remember you were in Syria, reporting.
我记得你在叙利亚报道。
And I said the whole story fast.
我很快就把整个故事讲完了。
But in every sentence, I remember you were always saying, whoa, this is unbelievable.
但我记得你在每句话中总是说，哇，这太令人难以置信了。
Whoa.
哇哦。
This is unbelievable.
这太令人难以置信了。
I remember standing on the hotel balcony in Syria, the phone to my ear, taking it in and thinking not just how strange it was, but that I wasn't going loopy-- no paranoia.
我记得我站在叙利亚的酒店阳台上，把电话放在耳边，拿起手机，心里想的不仅是这有多么奇怪，而且我并没有发疯——没有偏执。
The way you reacted on it was very, very-- I would say impressive-- and relief, made me feel relief.
你对此的反应非常非常——我想说令人印象深刻——而且如释重负，让我感到如释重负。
Because you got the information, you process it, and it felt like you accept it as it is, that this is reality, and your neighbor might be a spy.
因为你得到了信息，你处理了它，感觉你接受了它的本来面目，这是现实，而你的邻居可能是间谍。
I just remember how amazing it was.
我只记得那是多么令人惊奇。
I felt like, yeah, OK, you're not completely crazy.
我觉得，是的，好吧，你还没有完全疯。
Like, there are spies out there, and there's one in your building.
就像，外面有间谍，你的大楼里也有一个。
And it felt almost like a part of me was like, yes.
感觉就像我的一部分在说，是的。
That's the reminder for my meds, which is very appropriate.
这是我吃药的提醒，非常恰当。
When I got home from Syria, I was still trying to wrap my head around the news about Christos.
当我从叙利亚回到家时，我仍在努力思考有关克里斯托的新闻。
I went to the garden where he used to carefully water the vegetable patch every evening.
我去了花园，他每天晚上都会仔细地给菜地浇水。
Now weeds had started pushing up through the rows.
现在杂草已经开始从行里长出来了。
It was getting overgrown.
它变得杂草丛生。
No one was coming down to tend it.
没有人下来照料它。
Christos is in jail, awaiting trial.
克里斯托正在监狱里等待审判。
For a long time, his boots stayed outside his door.
很长一段时间，他的靴子都留在门外。
His family are still here.
他的家人还在这里。
In the garage, his car has gathered dust.
在车库里，他的车已经积满了灰尘。
So I want to ask this.
所以我想问这个。
What was exciting, when you were psychotic, about the feeling of somebody spying on me or there are spies out there?
当你患有精神病时，对于有人在监视我或外面有间谍的感觉，什么是令人兴奋的？
It's like a validation.
这就像一个验证。
You go through your life unnoticed, and you want someone to pay attention to you.
您在不被注意的情况下度过了自己的一生，并且希望有人关注您。
And the idea that someone's watching you appeals to your ego that there's some higher power that cares about you, whether it's God or an intelligence agency.
有人在监视你的想法会激发你的自我意识，让你相信有某种更高的力量在关心你，无论是上帝还是情报机构。
And how do you feel about somebody that actually is a spy?
你对一个实际上是间谍的人有何看法？
Do you like him?
你喜欢他吗？
Do you admire him?
你欣赏他吗？
Do you dislike him?
你不喜欢他吗？
Well, you're a spy, right?
嗯，你是间谍，对吧？
Klea I'm a spy.
克莱 我是一名间谍。
[LAUGHTER] Ayman Oghanna No, I don't think I admire them or that it's something I want to do.
[笑声] Ayman Oghanna 不，我不认为我钦佩他们，也不认为这是我想做的事情。
And also, I'd be terrified, having this secret from you.
而且，如果从你这里得知这个秘密，我会感到害怕。
[LAUGHS] You would definitely find out if I was a spy.
[笑]你肯定会发现我是否是间谍。
There really are spies, but they're not after me.
确实有间谍，但他们不是在追捕我。
They're just people living quiet, dangerous lives I'll never fully understand.
他们只是过着安静而危险的生活的人，我永远无法完全理解。
I'm OK with leaving the secret missions to them.
我同意把秘密任务留给他们。
Act Two, No Power To The People.
第二幕，人民没有权力。
Our show today is about people who feel like they're trapped in some situation they have no control over, like passengers on a runaway bus.
我们今天的节目讲述的是那些感觉自己被困在某种无法控制的情况下的人，就像一辆失控的公共汽车上的乘客。
And we turn next to a place where there are actually not a lot of buses running right now because the country is out of oil.
我们转向旁边的一个地方，实际上现在没有很多公共汽车在运行，因为该国已经没有石油了。
It's from writer Eileen Sosin Martinez, who lives in Havana.
这是居住在哈瓦那的作家艾琳·索辛·马丁内斯写的。
Because it's hard to even make phone calls from there, we got an actor to read it.
因为从那里打电话都很困难，所以我们请了一位演员来朗读。
About two weeks ago, I had a silly accident.
大约两周前，我发生了一场愚蠢的事故。
I took a step backwards, thinking the sidewalk was there, but ended up stepping onto thin air.
我向后退了一步，以为人行道就在那里，但结果却踩到了稀薄的空气。
My left knee, which underwent surgery many years ago, couldn't hold me up, and I suffered a sprain.
我的左膝多年前做过手术，支撑不住，扭伤了。
The doctor told me to take anti-inflammatories for 10 days and apply ice every two hours.
医生让我吃10天消炎药，每两个小时冰敷一次。
I got naproxen pills on the black market, as is usually the case, given the shortage plaguing state-run pharmacies.
我在黑市上买到了萘普生药片，这是常见的情况，因为国营药店正面临短缺问题。
Finding the pills was supposed to be the hard part.
找到药丸应该是最困难的部分。
Though obvious looking back, it didn't occur to me that the other part of my treatment, icing my knee every two hours, would be even harder to carry out.
虽然回顾起来很明显，但我并没有想到治疗的另一部分，即每两个小时冰敷我的膝盖，会更难进行。
I filled up a half-liter bottle with water and put it in the freezer.
我在一个半升的瓶子里装满了水，然后把它放进冰箱里。
Easy, right?
容易，对吧？
Yes, if you have power.
是的，如果你有权力的话。
The power company used to publish a weekly blackout schedule.
电力公司过去常常发布每周停电时间表。
They'd never fully stick to it, but you'd at least get an idea of whether they would cut the power in the morning or afternoon.
他们永远不会完全坚持下去，但你至少会知道他们是否会在早上或下午切断电源。
And usually, it would be out for no more than four hours.
通常，它不会超过四个小时。
But at the end of 2025, the blackouts started increasing.
但到 2025 年底，停电情况开始增加。
Then, in January, the United States launched an oil embargo, threatening tariffs on any country supplying Cuba with oil.
随后，一月份，美国启动了石油禁运，威胁对任何向古巴供应石油的国家征收关税。
In the spring, the situation changed again for the worse.
到了春天，情况又变得更糟了。
The oil we got from a Russian tanker at the end of March ran out in early May.
我们3月底从一艘俄罗斯油轮得到的石油5月初就用完了。
I expected an uptick in blackouts, but I never thought it would be this bad.
我预计停电会增加，但我从未想到会如此糟糕。
Now we don't talk about blackouts.
现在我们不谈论停电。
We talk about whiteouts, [SPANISH], as they would say in the so-called "special period" of the '90s, the crisis that devastated Cuba following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
我们谈论白化，[西班牙语]，正如他们在九十年代所谓的“特殊时期”所说的那样，即苏联解体后摧毁古巴的危机。
In other words, instead of counting how many hours a day the power is cut, we count how long it's back on.
换句话说，我们不是计算一天停电的时间，而是计算恢复供电的时间。
Blackouts are the rule and power the exception.
停电是常态，断电是例外。
These whiteouts had been happening for at least a year in other provinces, but not in Havana.
这些停电现象在其他省份已经发生至少一年了，但哈瓦那却没有。
Now, not even favoritism can shield the capital from them.
现在，即使是偏袒也无法保护首都免受他们的侵害。
We are barely getting three hours of electricity a day, five at most.
我们每天只能获得三个小时的电力，最多五个小时。
So, of course, there wasn't enough time for the ice I was supposed to be using on my knee to fully set.
所以，当然，没有足够的时间让我应该在膝盖上使用的冰块完全凝固。
Instead of ice, I've been using cold water, a sort of slush.
我没有使用冰，而是使用冷水，一种雪泥。
I alternate where I place the bottle-- on the underside of my knee, on the outside, on top, on bottom.
我交替放置瓶子——膝盖下侧、外侧、顶部、底部。
I'm supposed to do this for 20 minutes.
我应该这样做20分钟。
If I had ice, it would ease the pain almost immediately.
如果我有冰块，几乎可以立即缓解疼痛。
Cold water just cools off the skin.
冷水只会使皮肤凉爽。
Still, I keep a bottle in the freezer, hoping.
尽管如此，我还是在冰箱里放了一瓶，希望如此。
I remember how I'd react when the blackouts first got worse at the end of last year.
我记得去年年底停电第一次变得更严重时我的反应。
When the power went out, I'd be overcome with an urge to do something, anything.
当停电时，我会很想去做点什么，任何事情。
It was winter, and it would already be dark at 6:00 PM.
当时正值冬天，下午6:00天就已经黑了。
So I would exercise in the dark, read by flashlight, and wash some of my clothes by hand.
所以我会在黑暗中锻炼，用手电筒看书，用手洗一些衣服。
Now it's flipped.
现在它翻转了。
When the electricity goes out, I feel drained, helpless.
当停电时，我感到筋疲力尽、无助。
But I feel euphoric when the power's back on.
但当电源恢复时我感到欣喜若狂。
Are you happy, my love?
你幸福吗，我的爱人？
My boyfriend asked me on one of these occasions.
我男朋友有一次这样问我。
It was only then that I realized I was singing while dicing onions for dinner.
直到那时我才意识到我一边唱歌一边切洋葱作为晚餐。
When the electricity is back on, people run to their washing machines, hoping the power lasts enough to get the laundry done.
当电力恢复时，人们跑向洗衣机，希望电力能持续足够洗衣服。
That's also the only chance to use the blender to have juice for breakfast or to make puree for a baby.
这也是使用搅拌机为早餐喝果汁或为婴儿制作果泥的唯一机会。
I'm lucky.
我很幸运。
I have a gas stove, but many rely on electricity to cook.
我有煤气灶，但很多人做饭都是靠电。
They use those precious hours to turn on rice and multicookers so there'll be food for the next day.
他们利用这些宝贵的时间来打开米饭和多功能炊具，这样第二天就有食物了。
Then everyone, rich and poor alike, faces the same problem-- how to preserve food.
那么每个人，无论贫富，都面临着同样的问题——如何保存食物。
You need a whole system and a great memory.
你需要一个完整的系统和良好的记忆力。
The first rule is, don't cook what you planned.
第一条规则是，不要按计划做饭。
Cook what's defrosting the fastest.
煮解冻速度最快的食物。
For example, if you open a can of tomato sauce or corn, you have to store it again in a plastic container and put it in the freezer.
例如，如果您打开一罐番茄酱或玉米，则必须将其再次存放在塑料容器中并放入冰箱。
The lower part of the fridge barely works and is now basically a cupboard.
冰箱的下部几乎不能用，现在基本上是一个橱柜。
Cooked rice, cooked pasta, it all goes in the freezer.
煮熟的米饭，煮熟的面食，都放进冰箱里。
I've had to throw out so much food because of lack of refrigeration-- carrots, chicken, mangoes, yucca, way too much rice.
由于缺乏冷藏，我不得不扔掉很多食物——胡萝卜、鸡肉、芒果、丝兰，还有太多的大米。
Throwing out food in the middle of food shortages feels like sacrilege.
在食物短缺的情况下扔掉食物感觉就像是亵渎。
And while we're all going slowly mad waiting for a small cube of ice to form in the freezer, there are other indignities-- for example, the trash, which piles up on street corners like monuments to this disaster.
虽然我们都在慢慢地疯狂地等待冰箱里结成一小块冰，但还有其他的侮辱——例如，垃圾堆积在街角，就像这场灾难的纪念碑一样。
This also isn't a new problem.
这也不是一个新问题。
For the past few years, garbage collection has varied throughout cities and neighborhoods.
在过去的几年里，各个城市和社区的垃圾收集情况各不相同。
Maybe the truck went by yesterday in some places and weeks or months ago in others.
也许卡车昨天在某些地方经过，而在另一些地方则是几周或几个月前经过的。
But now, it's much worse.
但现在，情况更糟了。
According to officials, there's no gas for garbage trucks, which, to top things off, break down with no replacement parts available.
据官员称，垃圾车没有汽油，最糟糕的是，垃圾车发生故障且没有可用的替换零件。
Clinging to a shred of civic responsibility, we take out our household trash and walk for a few blocks until we find bins that aren't overflowing, leaving it where it's least obstructive.
秉承一丝公民责任，我们倒出家庭垃圾，然后步行几个街区，直到找到没有溢出的垃圾箱，将其放在最不妨碍的地方。
Just a few yards from my door, you'll find one of those garbage piles, haloed by innumerable flies that have also made their way into my home.
距离我家门仅几码远，你会发现其中一个垃圾堆，周围有无数苍蝇，它们也飞进了我家。
They're always riled up early in the morning, touching your arm and back and buzzing in your face while you're making coffee.
他们总是一大早就兴奋起来，在你煮咖啡的时候抚摸你的手臂和背部，在你脸上嗡嗡作响。
I'll brush them off and shoo them away, but they come back.
我会把他们赶走，但他们又回来了。
It doesn't matter that everything's clean.
一切都干净并不重要。
They're already inside.
他们已经在里面了。
And you can't take your eyes off your mug or the bread you got for breakfast, because they'll land on them the minute you do.
你的目光无法从你的杯子或你早餐的面包上移开，因为一旦你移开，它们就会落在它们身上。
A few days ago, I heard a neighbor complain about the heat, but she would rather shut all her doors and windows than let in flies.
前几天，我听到邻居抱怨天气太热，但她宁愿把门窗都关上，也不让苍蝇进来。
Sometimes I'll also leave my windows closed to keep out the stench of garbage.
有时我也会关上窗户，以隔绝垃圾的恶臭。
I'll peek out onto the street and see flies in the flower garden landing on tall grass, bending over under their weight, as if it were a wheat stalk made up of insects instead of grains.
我会向街道望去，看到花园里的苍蝇落在高高的草丛上，在它们的重量下弯下腰，就好像它是由昆虫而不是谷物组成的麦秆。
People started setting these piles of garbage on fire, and there was smoke everywhere.
人们开始焚烧这些垃圾堆，到处都是烟雾。
So much garbage is still there, and the temperature's rising.
仍然有很多垃圾，而且温度还在上升。
I wouldn't be surprised if one day, there's a spontaneous combustion.
如果有一天发生自燃，我不会感到惊讶。
That's a real thing that can happen.
这是真实可能发生的事情。
A few days ago, the garbage pile near my house caught fire.
前几天，我家附近的垃圾堆着火了。
We heard a little explosion, and when I looked out the window, it had already started burning.
我们听到一声轻微的爆炸声，当我向窗外看时，它已经开始燃烧了。
I called the firefighters at 5:00 PM.
我在下午 5:00 给消防员打电话。
It was very windy, and the smoke cloud was spreading.
风很大，烟雾弥漫。
A while went by, and since the firemen hadn't come, my boyfriend and I took advantage of the fact that the flames had died down a bit and doused them with buckets of water.
过了一会儿，消防员还没有来，我和男朋友趁火势稍稍减弱的时候，用水桶浇灭了他们。
We thought we'd put them out, but that wasn't the case.
我们以为我们会把它们消灭掉，但事实并非如此。
I kept calling the emergency line.
我一直拨打紧急电话。
The firefighters finally arrived at 8:00 PM.
晚上8:00，消防队员终于赶到。
Our house smelled like smoke for days.
我们的房子连续几天都闻起来有烟味。
I don't know what's more disturbing, the growing number of sleepless nights or the torture of not knowing how much longer this will last.
我不知道什么更令人不安，是越来越多的不眠之夜，还是不知道这种情况会持续多久的折磨。
I still haven't found an answer to the latter.
我还没有找到后者的答案。
To try and solve the former, the restless nights, we bought a rechargeable fan-- $40 for a tiny plastic fan.
为了尝试解决前者，即不安的夜晚，我们买了一个可充电风扇——一个小塑料风扇 40 美元。
My fan pretty much looks like a toy, but now I no longer wake up sweating in the middle of the night.
我的扇子看起来就像一个玩具，但现在我不再半夜醒来出汗了。
The sound of the spinning blades has become a sort of lullaby that helps me fall asleep, like so many people on this sweltering island, because on blackout nights, sometimes the silence is more frightening than the darkness.
旋转的刀片的声音已经成为一种帮助我入睡的摇篮曲，就像这个闷热的岛上的许多人一样，因为在停电的夜晚，有时寂静比黑暗更可怕。
I live at the end of an avenue where you used to hear loud conversations, music, and cars well past midnight.
我住在一条大道的尽头，午夜过后你常常会听到大声的谈话、音乐和汽车的声音。
Now, the streets are empty.
现在，街道空无一人。
I don't exactly sleep like a baby.
我睡得并不像婴儿一样。
If the power comes back at 2:00 or 4:00 in the morning, I have to leap out of bed and charge everything-- power banks, the lamp, the laptop.
如果凌晨 2:00 或 4:00 恢复供电，我就必须从床上跳起来，给所有东西充电——充电宝、台灯、笔记本电脑。
And if they shut it off before morning, I have to get up again and turn the rechargeable fan back on.
如果他们在早上之前把它关掉，我就必须再次起床并重新打开充电风扇。
Lately, whenever my mom or aunts message me on WhatsApp to ask me how I'm doing, I almost always answer, "I'm here, in a blackout," as if I too only ran on electricity, as if the darkness and silence were a part of me.
最近，每当我的妈妈或阿姨在 WhatsApp 上给我发消息问我过得怎么样时，我几乎总是回答：“我在这里，停电了”，就好像我也只靠电力运转，就好像黑暗和寂静是我的一部分。
A few nights ago, a bunch of neighbors started banging on pots and pans.
几天前的晚上，一群邻居开始敲打锅碗瓢盆。
I've seen countless videos on social media of these cacerolazos.
我在社交媒体上看过无数关于这些卡塞罗拉佐的视频。
But I'd never had it happen so close, on my own block.
但我从来没有在我自己的街区如此近距离地发生过这种事。
Honestly, it sounded more like a raging party than public outcry.
老实说，这听起来更像是一场愤怒的聚会，而不是公众的强烈抗议。
You could hear voices yelling, vamos!
你可以听到有人大喊，vamos！
And bang them, bang them!
然后敲打他们，敲打他们！
It felt like a kind of release, like their weariness had reached its limit.
这感觉就像是一种释放，就像他们的疲倦已经达到了极限。
And at the same time, there was a sense of fun, of mischief.
与此同时，还有一种有趣、恶作剧的感觉。
Aside from two or three notable occasions, there hasn't been a massive protest in Cuba in decades.
除了两三个值得注意的事件外，古巴几十年来没有发生过大规模抗议活动。
But now we have these cacerolazos.
但现在我们有了这些 cacerolazos。
After about 15 minutes of outrage, the power came back on.
经过大约15分钟的愤怒之后，电源恢复了。
It was probably just a coincidence, but it felt wonderful to hear shouts of joy, as if the protests had really worked.
这可能只是一个巧合，但听到欢呼声感觉很棒，就好像抗议真的起作用了一样。
And then a few minutes after that, the power shut back off.
几分钟后，电源又关闭了。
Nobody yelled or made any noise.
没有人喊叫或发出任何声音。
A few days later, they turned the power back on at night, and it lasted until 6:00 in the morning.
几天后，他们在晚上重新通电，一直持续到早上6:00。
These were seven hours where the fridge door was barely opened, which meant that the next morning, my half-liter water bottle had completely frozen.
这七个小时里，冰箱门几乎没有打开，这意味着第二天早上，我的半升水瓶完全结冰了。
10 days after getting my doctor's orders, I was finally able to ice my left knee.
接到医生的命令十天后，我终于可以冰敷左膝盖了。
Actor Ana Villafane reading a story by Eileen Sosin Martinez, whose reporting you can find in The Guardian and elsewhere.
演员安娜·维拉凡 (Ana Villafane) 正在阅读艾琳·索辛·马丁内斯 (Eileen Sosin Martinez) 的故事，您可以在《卫报》和其他地方找到她的报道。
Ana is currently starring in Sinatra on London's West End.
安娜目前正在伦敦西区主演《辛纳屈》。
Gabriela Munoz Ravello translated Eileen's story from Spanish to English.
加布里埃拉·穆尼奥斯·拉维罗 (Gabriela Munoz Ravello) 将艾琳的故事从西班牙语翻译成英语。
Coming up, if a tree falls in a forest, could it ever possibly be murder?
接下来，如果一棵树倒在森林里，有可能是谋杀吗？
A crime that captivated England goes before a High Court judge.
一件令英格兰着迷的罪行被提交给高等法院法官。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm David Kestenbaum.
我是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
This week's show, Trapped on a Bus, people stuck in situations they cannot control and do not like.
本周的节目《被困在公共汽车上》，人们陷入了他们无法控制和不喜欢的境地。
We are at Act Three.
我们现在处于第三幕。
Act Three, Murder, Tree Wrote.
第三幕，谋杀，树写的。
Sometimes an entire country can be taken on an unexpected journey against its will.
有时，整个国家可能会违背其意愿踏上意想不到的旅程。
That happened in England recently.
最近在英国发生了这样的事。
And I'm not talking about their inability to keep a prime minister.
我并不是在谈论他们无法留住首相。
I'm talking about a crime so confounding, so nonsensical, people just could not wrap their heads around it.
我所谈论的犯罪是如此令人困惑、如此荒谬，以至于人们无法理解它。
Rosa Lyster tells the story.
罗莎·莱斯特讲述了这个故事。
In September 2023, a farmer called the Northumberland National Park to report a fallen tree, not just any tree-- a sycamore, more than 100 years old, by some reports, the most photographed tree in Britain.
2023 年 9 月，一位农民打电话给诺森伯兰国家公园，报告了一棵倒下的树，而不是普通的树——这是一棵已有 100 多年树龄的梧桐树，据一些报道称，它是英国被拍照最多的树。
It stood in the depression between two hills in the desolate landscape of the park in a gap in a stone wall.
它矗立在公园荒凉的风景中两山之间的洼地里，石墙的一个缝隙里。
Not just any stone wall-- an especially picturesque section of Hadrian's Wall, which was built by the Romans across the narrowest part of England.
不仅仅是石墙，而是罗马人在英格兰最狭窄的地区修建的哈德良长城中风景如画的一段。
Photographers went crazy for the tree.
摄影师们为这棵树疯狂。
The park ranger who arrived at the scene assumed at first that it had been blown down by the high winds the night before, until he saw the cleanness of the cut.
到达现场的公园管理员起初以为它是前一天晚上被大风吹倒的，直到他看到伤口干净整洁。
He told the BBC, "Once you realize it's been chopped down, then it's going to become a massive worldwide story." I'd never heard of the tree before it got cut down, and neither had anyone I knew.
他告诉英国广播公司，“一旦你意识到它被砍掉了，那么它就会成为一个全球性的大故事。”在这棵树被砍倒之前我从未听说过它，我认识的人也没有听说过它。
I live in London, though.
不过我住在伦敦。
The tree was a beloved landmark of England's North East, its silhouette instantly recognizable to those who knew it.
这棵树是英格兰东北部深受人们喜爱的地标，熟悉它的人一眼就能认出它的轮廓。
And, as virtually every news report would go on to stress, it had also been featured in the 1991 movie, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.
而且，正如几乎所有新闻报道都会继续强调的那样，它也出现在 1991 年的电影《罗宾汉，盗贼王子》中。
Even so, I was surprised to see that quite quickly, the lamentation went beyond those with a personal link to the tree.
即便如此，我还是惊讶地发现，这种哀悼很快就超出了那些与这棵树有个人联系的人。
People across the country began to speak of the death of the tree, calling it slaughter and comparing its loss to that of a close family member or to the death of Princess Diana.
全国各地的人们开始谈论这棵树的死亡，称其为屠杀，并将其损失与亲密家庭成员的死亡或戴安娜王妃的死亡进行比较。
They said they felt as if their hearts had been ripped out.
他们说，他们感觉自己的心仿佛被撕裂了。
They spoke of evil and desecration and named the fantastical medieval-seeming punishments that they would like to see visited on the scumbags who could have done this.
他们谈到了邪恶和亵渎，并提出了他们希望看到的那些可能做出这种事的人渣受到的中世纪般的奇幻惩罚。
Steve Blair, the manager of a nearby pub, told me about the day he truly understood that it was gone.
附近一家酒吧的经理史蒂夫·布莱尔（Steve Blair）告诉我，有一天他真正意识到它已经消失了。
It was the first snowfall, he said.
他说，这是第一场雪。
You'd get people taking photographs of the tree because it's covered in snow and it looks so, so, so good.
人们会为这棵树拍照，因为它被雪覆盖，而且看起来非常非常非常好。
I was driving to work, and as I came over the hill, you would normally see the photographers all over Sycamore Gap.
我开车去上班，当我翻过山坡时，你通常会看到梧桐峡到处都是摄影师。
And then, on this specific day, there was no one there anymore.
然后，在这一天，那里就不再有人了。
For about a month, nobody had any idea who had felled the tree.
大约一个月的时间里，没有人知道是谁砍倒了这棵树。
Then, acting on a tip, the Northumbria police brought in two local men, a mechanic named Adam Carruthers and his friend, a tree surgeon named Daniel Graham.
然后，根据线报，诺森布里亚警方逮捕了两名当地男子，其中一名是名叫亚当·卡拉瑟斯的机械师，另一名是他的朋友、一名名叫丹尼尔·格雷厄姆的树木外科医生。
Six months later, the two men appeared at Newcastle Magistrates' Court.
六个月后，两人出现在纽卡斯尔地方法院。
They walked in together, a united front, wearing balaclavas to avoid the cameras outside the courthouse.
他们结成统一战线，戴着巴拉克拉法帽，以避免法院外的摄像机。
The two men were charged with criminal damage amounting to 623,335 pounds, over 800,000 American dollars.
两人被指控犯有刑事损害罪，赔偿金额达 623,335 英镑（约合 80 万美元）。
According to prosecutors, this extraordinarily specific figure was arrived at, in part, using something called the Capital Asset Value for Amenity Trees system, a method local governments use to calculate the worth of trees.
据检察官称，这个非常具体的数字在一定程度上是使用了所谓的“舒适树资本资产价值”系统得出的，这是地方政府用来计算树木价值的方法。
Graham pleaded not guilty, while Carruthers entered no plea.
格雷厄姆不认罪，而卡拉瑟斯则没有提出抗辩。
In the intense media coverage that followed, reporters and commentators struggled to come up with plausible reasons why the two men-- or, indeed, anyone on Earth-- would have felled the tree.
在随后的激烈媒体报道中，记者和评论员努力找出这两个人——或者实际上是地球上的任何人——砍倒这棵树的合理理由。
Some sort of ancient act of revenge, or a grievance against the local government, possibly?
可能是某种古老的复仇行为，或者对当地政府的不满？
Was it a protest, perhaps, driven by very left-wing ideas, or else, very right-wing ones?
也许这是一场由非常左翼思想或非常右翼思想驱动的抗议？
A case could be made for either.
两者都可以成立。
The explanation, whatever the hell it might be, would surely emerge at trial.
无论如何，这个解释肯定会在审判时浮出水面。
The Sycamore Gap trial began in late April of last year.
Sycamore Gap 试验于去年四月下旬开始。
There was Carruthers, the young family man, dressed in a shiny black suit that was too big for him, blinking and swallowing and staring hard into the middle distance.
卡拉瑟斯，一个年轻的顾家男人，穿着一件对他来说太大的闪亮黑色西装，眨着眼睛，吞咽着，凝视着中距离。
And there was Graham, gaunt and guarded and fizzing with tension.
还有格雷厄姆，他面容憔悴、戒备森严、紧张得嘶嘶作响。
He was only a few years older than Carruthers but looked old enough to be his dad.
他只比卡拉瑟斯大几岁，但看起来足够当他的父亲了。
A senior High Court judge, Justice Christina Lambert, had been appointed.
高等法院高级法官克里斯蒂娜·兰伯特法官已被任命。
High Court judges deal with the most serious and complicated trials in England and Wales.
高等法院法官负责英格兰和威尔士最严肃、最复杂的审判。
Many of Lambert's recent cases have involved grave crimes of the sort that society considers unthinkable.
兰伯特最近处理的许多案件都涉及社会认为不可想象的严重犯罪。
In 2024, she was one of three senior judges appointed to consider the appeal of Lucy Letby, the nurse convicted of the murder of seven babies.
2024 年，她是被任命审理因谋杀七名婴儿而被定罪的护士露西·莱比 (Lucy Letby) 上诉的三名高级法官之一。
Even at the start of the trial, there was talk of a prison sentence if the two men were found guilty.
即使在审判开始时，就有传言称，如果这两人被判有罪，将被判入狱。
The atmosphere in the courtroom was notably strange, both entirely serious and entirely ridiculous.
法庭上的气氛格外诡异，既严肃又荒唐。
On the press bench, reporters murmured to one another that it felt a bit like a murder trial.
记者席上，记者们窃窃私语，感觉这有点像一场谋杀案审判。
It didn't, though, not exactly.
但事实并非如此，也不完全是这样。
Nobody was dead.
没有人死。
There were no grieving family members.
没有悲伤的家庭成员。
I couldn't seem to keep a handle on what was at stake, what law the two men had actually broken.
我似乎无法掌握其中的利害关系，以及这两个人实际上违反了什么法律。
Between sessions, I kept having to look up the legal definition of murder to check one more time whether the term could be applied to anything other than the killing of a human being.
在会议间隙，我不断地查找谋杀的法律定义，以再次检查该术语是否可以应用于杀人以外的任何事情。
It cannot.
它不能。
At other times, people in the public gallery would burst into laughter, to Judge Lambert's immense and theatrical disapproval.
其他时候，公众旁听席上的人们会爆发出大笑，这引起了兰伯特法官的强烈反对。
She had a way of peering over her spectacles.
她有一种透过眼镜凝视的方式。
Officially, the jury was being presented with a straightforward question of criminal damage.
正式地，陪审团面临的是一个简单的刑事损害问题。
Were Adam Carruthers and Daniel Graham responsible for cutting down a sycamore by Hadrian's Wall on the night of September 27, 2023?
Adam Carruthers 和 Daniel Graham 是否对 2023 年 9 月 27 日晚上在哈德良长城旁砍倒一棵梧桐树负责？
Unfortunately for the defendants, this turned out to be exceptionally easy to answer.
不幸的是，对于被告来说，这个问题非常容易回答。
To begin with, there was CCTV footage of the Range Rover driving to and from the parking lot near the tree.
首先，闭路电视监控显示路虎揽胜在树附近的停车场往返行驶。
Graham's phone was tracked traveling to and from the site.
格雷厄姆的手机在往返该网站的过程中被追踪。
On the same phone, the police recovered a nearly three-minute video, very dimly lit, of a small figure working at the trunk of a large tree, a chainsaw droning in the background, leaning his whole weight into the job until the crackling collapse began.
在同一部手机上，警方找到了一段近三分钟的视频，光线非常昏暗，视频中一个小人物在一棵大树的树干上工作，电锯在背景中嗡嗡作响，他全身心投入工作，直到开始爆裂倒塌。
They also recovered a photo of a tree wedge and a chainsaw in Graham's trunk.
他们还在格雷厄姆的树干里找到了一张树楔和电锯的照片。
The two men had sent each other voice notes, talking about the heaviness of the chainsaw and the amount of coverage that the crime was getting.
这两个人互相发送了语音留言，谈论电锯的重量以及犯罪事件得到的报道数量。
In one of them, Graham seemed as if he would combust with elation, letting Carruthers know that the tree was "on fucking Sky News as we speak." What else?
在其中一张照片中，格雷厄姆似乎欣喜若狂，让卡拉瑟斯知道这棵树“就在我们说话的时候在他妈的天空新闻上”。还有什么？
There was a selfie Graham had taken, in which he is squinting into the camera, looking pleased, while in the background, Carruthers once again saws away with evident expertise at the trunk of a large tree.
格雷厄姆拍了一张自拍照，他眯着眼睛看着镜头，看上去很高兴，而在背景中，卡拉瑟斯再次以明显的专业知识锯开了一棵大树的树干。
Neither of the men held up well under questioning.
这两个人在审讯中都没有表现得很好。
It's strange to see people tell such brazen and low-effort lies in front of the international media and a High Court judge.
看到人们在国际媒体和高等法院法官面前说出如此厚颜无耻、毫不费力的谎言，真是很奇怪。
Carruthers, the younger man, was by far the more amiable of the two, striving to seem tractable and reasonable while nevertheless lying flamboyantly.
较年轻的卡拉瑟斯是两人中最和蔼可亲的一个，他努力让自己显得温顺、通情达理，但撒谎时却很夸张。
His approach throughout the trial was to state over and over that he had no idea who could have done it, none at all.
在整个审判过程中，他的做法是一遍又一遍地声明，他不知道谁可以做到这一点，根本不知道。
He brought up his partner, Amy, and their two young children often.
他经常抚养他的伴侣艾米和他们的两个年幼的孩子。
Carruthers seemed basically ordinary.
卡拉瑟斯看起来基本上很普通。
He looked scared.
他看起来很害怕。
Graham was different, a character from another moral universe altogether.
格雷厄姆不同，他是一个完全来自另一个道德世界的人物。
I don't know if I've ever seen a person radiate scorn more thoroughly than he did.
我不知道我是否见过一个人比他更彻底地流露出蔑视。
He seemed contemptuous of everything-- trees, other people, the concept of truth.
他似乎蔑视一切——树木、其他人、真理的概念。
He made a point of mentioning how alone he was in the world and how fine he was with this state of affairs.
他特别提到他在这个世界上是多么孤独，而他对这种状况是多么的满意。
The press box is directly behind the witness stand, so I couldn't see his face as he spoke.
记者席就在证人席的正后方，所以他说话时我看不到他的脸。
But he still managed to make the back of his skinny, tattooed neck convey the suggestion that we all go and fuck ourselves.
但他仍然设法让他那瘦骨嶙峋、有纹身的脖子后面传达出这样的暗示：我们都去操自己吧。
He lied beyond the point of sense or even reason, conceding that, yes, that was his car at the site, and yes, the video of the tree being sawed down was on his phone, but that none of this proved a thing.
他撒了超出理智甚至理性的谎言，承认，是的，那是他在现场的车，是的，他的手机上有树被锯倒的视频，但这些都不能证明什么。
He said he left his keys in his car for the use of anyone who happened to be passing by.
他说他把钥匙留在了车里，供碰巧路过的人使用。
Carruthers could have taken it.
卡拉瑟斯本来可以接受的。
In a police interview, Graham had provided other possibilities-- a stranger from nearby Carlisle or his stepdaughter's boyfriend.
在警方的采访中，格雷厄姆提供了其他可能性——来自附近卡莱尔的陌生人或他继女的男朋友。
As far as I'm aware, he doesn't have a stepdaughter.
据我所知，他没有继女。
He said he had "no interest" in sycamores-- "I cut trees down.
他说他对梧桐树“没有兴趣”——“我把树砍倒了。
I don't collect them."
我不收集它们。”
Not everything Graham said came across as a fabrication that could be dismantled on the spot.
格雷厄姆所说的并非所有内容都是捏造的，可以当场拆除。
He appeared sincere, for instance, when talking about his father's suicide and about how he and Carruthers had become friends.
例如，当谈到他父亲的自杀以及他和卡拉瑟斯如何成为朋友时，他显得很真诚。
Carruthers had helped him fix his father's Land Rover in time for the funeral.
卡拉瑟斯在葬礼前及时帮他修好了父亲的路虎汽车。
He also didn't seem to be lying, exactly, when it came to the matter of the string.
在谈到绳子的问题时，他似乎也没有说谎。
Under questioning, he explained that he had first heard of the sycamore sometime in 2021, when he had gone into Carruthers's workshop and asked if he could borrow a piece of string.
在询问中，他解释说，他第一次听说梧桐树是在 2021 年的某个时候，当时他走进卡拉瑟斯的工作室，询问是否可以借一根绳子。
Carruthers refused, saying that the string had great sentimental meaning for him.
卡拉瑟斯拒绝了，说这根绳子对他来说有很大的情感意义。
Then, according to Graham, Carruthers laid the string in a circle on the floor of his workshop.
然后，根据格雷厄姆的说法，卡拉瑟斯将绳子在他工作室的地板上围成一个圆圈。
He told Graham that the circumference of the circle exactly matched the trunk of the most famous tree in the world.
他告诉格雷厄姆，圆的周长与世界上最著名的树的树干完全匹配。
Nobody could quite work out what to do with this story.
没有人能完全弄清楚如何处理这个故事。
Lawyers for both sides kept bringing it up, but no one seemed clear on how the information ought to be used.
双方律师不断提出这一问题，但似乎没有人清楚应该如何使用这些信息。
It was too weird a detail to be helpful in a courtroom, but it was also too weird to ignore, because it didn't seem like something that a person would just invent.
这个细节太奇怪了，在法庭上没有什么帮助，但它也太奇怪了，无法忽视，因为它看起来不像是一个人会发明的东西。
If he'd simply wanted to account for how he had learned of the tree's existence, Graham could have said almost anything, instead of this otherworldly business about a piece of string that contains within it the essence of a beloved tree, like something out of the Brothers Grimm.
如果他只是想解释一下他是如何得知这棵树的存在的，格雷厄姆几乎可以说任何话，而不是说一根绳子，里面含有一棵心爱的树的精华，就像格林兄弟的东西一样。
In fact, the whole thing seemed like a fairytale that had made its way into a courtroom.
事实上，整件事看起来就像一个走进法庭的童话故事。
It often felt as if the most important question in the courtroom was not whether Carruthers and Graham had done it, but whether they-- or anyone-- understood what it was that they had done.
人们常常感觉法庭上最重要的问题不是卡拉瑟斯和格雷厄姆是否做了这件事，而是他们——或任何人——是否理解他们所做的是什么。
There was a kind of collective effort to affirm that something terrible had happened, something much worse than ordinary criminal damage, much worse than simply cutting down a tree.
有一种集体努力来确认发生了可怕的事情，比普通的刑事破坏更严重的事情，比简单地砍倒一棵树更糟糕的事情。
How else to account for the ferocity of the public indignation?
否则如何解释公众的愤怒呢？
At one point, Carruthers said that he hadn't been able to understand what all the fuss was about.
卡拉瑟斯一度表示，他无法理解这些大惊小怪的原因。
My understanding, he said, was that it was just a tree.
他说，我的理解是，那只是一棵树。
The truth is that people in Britain don't really like sycamores.
事实是，英国人并不真正喜欢梧桐树。
Gardeners go so far as to despise them.
园丁们甚至鄙视它们。
They are among the only trees in the country that are regularly referred to as weeds.
它们是该国唯一经常被称为杂草的树木之一。
They are prolific self-seeders.
他们是多产的自我播种者。
One mature tree can be the parent of thousands of seedlings in a single year.
一棵成熟的树可以在一年内成为数千棵幼苗的父母。
They can grow almost anywhere.
它们几乎可以在任何地方生长。
And they do.
他们确实这么做了。
They are non-native, which some people have strong feelings about.
他们是非本地人，有些人对此有强烈的感情。
The sycamore's tendency to flourish in places where plenty of other trees would wither and die might have been the reason that John Clayton, a 19th-century landowner, planted one in a gap along Hadrian's Wall.
无花果树倾向于在许多其他树木枯萎和死亡的地方茂盛生长，这可能是 19 世纪的地主约翰·克莱顿 (John Clayton) 在哈德良长城沿线的一个缺口中种植一棵无花果树的原因。
The wall, whose construction began in the year 122, was built to mark the northwestern boundary of the Roman Empire, serving as a frontier, customs post, and reminder of the reach of power.
这座城墙始建于 122 年，旨在标记罗马帝国的西北边界，充当边境、海关哨所，并提醒人们权力的范围。
Clayton planted the sycamore presumably because he thought it would look nice there, an isolated tree right in the middle of a dramatic dip in the landscape, the wall running steeply up each side of it, such that hikers could look down on it as they approached.
克莱顿种植了梧桐树，大概是因为他认为它在那里看起来会很漂亮，一棵孤立的树，就在风景中的一个戏剧性的凹陷中间，墙的每一面都陡峭地延伸，这样徒步旅行者在接近时可以俯视它。
Carruthers and Graham were sentenced in July.
卡拉瑟斯和格雷厄姆于七月被判刑。
Before the sentencing, a junior counsel presented a victim impact statement.
在宣判前，一名初级律师提交了一份受害人影响陈述。
This consisted of emails and messages from members of the public, read in a loud, slow, tragic voice.
其中包括来自公众的电子邮件和消息，以响亮、缓慢、悲惨的声音朗读。
She tried her best.
她尽力了。
They said things like, "I've never felt this way about any other tree," and "This feels like losing a close family member," and "RIP BEAUTIFUL TREE I WISH I'D GOT TO MEET YOU."
他们说，“我从来没有对任何其他树有过这样的感觉”，“这感觉就像失去了一位亲密的家庭成员”，以及“美丽的树，我希望我能见到你”。
Carruthers and Graham were each given four years and three months in prison.
卡拉瑟斯和格雷厄姆分别被判处四年零三个月监禁。
The sentence seemed weirdly over the top.
这句话看起来很奇怪。
When people cut down a tree in England, what usually happens is nothing-- that, or a fine.
在英国，当人们砍倒一棵树时，通常不会发生什么，或者罚款。
The sentence, Judge Lambert said, was based on a consideration of "the social impact of the offense." People had loved the tree, she said, and Carruthers and Graham had destroyed it in an act of vandalism that was somehow both mindless and premeditated.
兰伯特法官表示，这一判决是基于对“罪行的社会影响”的考虑。她说，人们很喜欢这棵树，卡拉瑟斯和格雷厄姆却以一种既无意识又有预谋的破坏行为毁掉了它。
According to a tree lawyer I talked to, it was the first time anyone in the United Kingdom had gone to prison for cutting down a single tree.
据我采访过的一位树木律师说，这是英国第一次有人因砍伐一棵树而入狱。
I only got to see the stump.
我只看到了树桩。
I visited in late spring.
我在春末访问过。
It was very sunny.
天气非常晴朗。
The remnants of the sycamore come into view as you get to the top of a slithery flight of stairs set into the bank.
当你爬上河岸上一段蜿蜒的楼梯时，梧桐树的残迹就映入眼帘。
Then you look down at the stump, which is in precisely the spot where it would have been good to come across a tree, a nice, tall one with spreading branches, pretty old, standing totally alone in the landscape, looking like the idea of shelter.
然后你低头看着树桩，那里正好是遇到一棵树的地方，一棵漂亮的高大的树，树枝伸展，相当古老，完全孤独地矗立在风景中，看起来就像庇护所的想法。
Before this, I hadn't grasped why the locals had gotten so worked up over a single tree, let alone the rest of the country.
在此之前，我不明白为什么当地人会因为一棵树而如此激动，更不用说这个国家的其他地方了。
Up close, though, their reactions made more sense.
不过，如果近距离观察，他们的反应就更有意义了。
The tree had been special.
这棵树很特别。
And Carruthers and Graham never explained-- in a satisfying way-- why they had cut it down.
卡拉瑟斯和格雷厄姆从未以令人满意的方式解释为什么他们要砍掉它。
Before their sentencing, they finally admitted they had done it.
在宣判前，他们终于承认自己干了这件事。
Carruthers said he was blackout drunk, and Graham said he was just keeping Carruthers company.
卡拉瑟斯说他喝醉了，格雷厄姆说他只是陪伴卡拉瑟斯。
The judge did not accept this explanation, and neither did anyone else.
法官不接受这个解释，其他人也不接受。
Whenever I talk to people about the trial, the explanation was pretty simple in their minds-- Adam Carruthers and Daniel Graham were morons.
每当我和人们谈论审判时，他们心中的解释都很简单——亚当·卡拉瑟斯和丹尼尔·格雷厄姆都是白痴。
They always said that-- "morons," or else "mindless," or else "absolutely mindless and brain dead, no?"
他们总是说——“白痴”，或者“没头脑”，或者“绝对没头脑，脑死亡，不是吗？”
Almost everybody said something along these lines.
几乎每个人都说了类似的话。
They wanted to believe that Carruthers and Graham had done it because they were very stupid or not thinking at all.
他们愿意相信卡拉瑟斯和格雷厄姆这么做是因为他们非常愚蠢或者根本没有思考。
I could understand why.
我能理解为什么。
The alternative and obvious explanation-- that they had thought about it quite extensively, that they knew how much people had loved the tree and had cut it down for precisely that reason-- that's much more disturbing.
另一种显而易见的解释——他们对此进行了相当广泛的思考，他们知道人们有多么喜爱这棵树，并正是因为这个原因才砍倒了它——这更令人不安。
Rosa Lyster lives in London.
罗莎·莱斯特住在伦敦。
A version of this story was first published in Harper's Magazine.
这个故事的一个版本首先发表在《哈珀杂志》上。
Will Stephenson edited that version of the story.
威尔·史蒂芬森编辑了这个故事的版本。
Aviva DeKornfeld produced our radio version.
Aviva DeKornfeld 制作了我们的广播版本。
Act Four, In Flight Snack.
第四幕，飞行零食。
We started today's show with someone trapped on a bus, and we're going to end it with someone trapped on a plane.
我们今天的节目以某人被困在公共汽车上开始，我们将以某人被困在飞机上结束。
The someone is Leticia Lima.
这个人就是莱蒂西亚·利马。
When she was 16, she was boarding a flight from Sao Paulo, where she lived, to Germany, when this older woman sat down next to her and did something that Leticia still thinks about to this day.
当她 16 岁的时候，当她从居住地圣保罗登上飞往德国的航班时，这位年长的女士坐在她旁边，做了一件莱蒂西亚至今仍在想念的事情。
Producer Tobin Low talked to her about that strange interaction, which started as soon as she got on the plane.
制片人托宾·洛 (Tobin Low) 向她讲述了她一上飞机就开始的奇怪互动。
I board early.
我提早登机。
I'm sitting in my seat, which was a window seat all the way in the back of the airplane, close to the toilets in the back of the airplane.
我坐在飞机后部的靠窗座位上，靠近飞机后部的厕所。
And eventually, this lady comes and sits next to me.
最终，这位女士过来坐在我旁边。
And she immediately starts talking to me.
她立即开始和我说话。
And I thought, oh god, no. Like I've sat next to--
我想，天啊，不。就像我坐在旁边——
A nightmare.
一场噩梦。
Leticia Lima Yeah.
莱蒂西亚·利马 是的。
I've sat next to someone who wants to chat.
我坐在一个想聊天的人旁边。
I really don't want to chat.
我真的不想聊天。
But my parents taught me to be polite to my elders.
但我的父母教导我要对长辈有礼貌。
So I'm kind of nodding along to what she's saying and trying not to engage or show too much interest but also not be rude.
所以我有点点头同意她的话，尽量不参与或表现出太多兴趣，但也不要表现得粗鲁。
Yeah.
是的。
What is she saying to you when she sits down?
当她坐下时，她对你说什么？
First, she's got this bag with her, and she's taking all these things out of her bag and looking for something.
首先，她带着这个包，她从包里拿出所有这些东西，寻找一些东西。
And she kept apologizing that she was looking for something.
她一直道歉说她在找东西。
And then she pulled out this huge rosary.
然后她拿出了这颗巨大的念珠。
And she's like, OK, now I've got it.
她说，好吧，现在我明白了。
And then she starts telling me, I'm quite nervous because this is my first time on an airplane.
然后她开始告诉我，我很紧张，因为这是我第一次坐飞机。
Oh, no. Leticia Lima And I said, oh, OK.
哦，不。莱蒂西亚·利马 我说，哦，好吧。
And she said, yeah, she was from somewhere in the countryside and had taken a bus for 18 hours or something to get to Sao Paulo to fly out.
她说，是的，她来自农村的某个地方，坐公共汽车18个小时左右才到圣保罗飞出去。
And she was flying out because her daughter had gone to Germany for work and had met a German man and was getting married, and so they had sent her the tickets to come to the wedding.
她之所以要飞出去，是因为她女儿去德国工作，认识了一个德国男人，要结婚了，所以他们给她寄了参加婚礼的机票。
But she's going on and on.
但她还在继续。
And I could tell she was quite nervous because she kept fidgeting with the rosary, and she's just talking.
我看得出来她很紧张，因为她一直在摆弄念珠，而且她只是在说话。
And then she couldn't put on her seatbelt, so I'm helping her with her seatbelt.
然后她无法系安全带，所以我帮她系安全带。
And so she says to me at that point, can I ask you for a favor?
所以她当时对我说，我可以请你帮个忙吗？
And I said, sure.
我说，当然。
And she said, can I hold your hand?
她说，我可以牵你的手吗？
And I thought it was a bit awkward, but I said, OK, sure.
我觉得这有点尴尬，但我说，好吧，当然。
So I'm sitting in the window seat.
所以我坐在靠窗的座位上。
She was sitting to my left.
她坐在我左边。
So I gave her my left hand.
于是我把左手递给了她。
And she held on really, really tight with her right hand.
她的右手握得非常非常紧。
And this is before the plane has even taken off?
而且这是在飞机起飞之前？
Yes.
是的。
We're starting to taxi very slowly towards the runway.
我们开始非常缓慢地向跑道滑行。
She had her rosary in her left hand, and she's holding my hand.
她左手拿着念珠，握着我的手。
And she had her eyes closed.
她闭着眼睛。
And she was praying under her breath.
她正在低声祈祷。
I could hear her praying under her-- and it was like, Our Father.
我能听到她在她身下祈祷——就像是，我们的天父。
And then as the plane starts picking up speed and we're going down the runway, she just switches to saying, like, oh my god.
然后，当飞机开始加速，我们沿着跑道走时，她只是转而说，天哪。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
And then as the wheels lift from the runway, you know you get that feeling a little bit in your stomach?
然后当轮子从跑道上升起时，你知道你的胃里有一点这种感觉吗？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Leticia Lima And she just turns around and bites me really hard in the forearm.
莱蒂西亚·利马 她转过身来，狠狠地咬了我的前臂。
Wait.
等待。
She bites you?
她咬你？
Leticia Lima Yeah.
莱蒂西亚·利马 是的。
She lifted the hand that was holding my hand and bit into my forearm really hard.
她抬起握着我手的手，用力咬住我的前臂。
Where did she bite you?
她咬你哪儿了？
Leticia Lima Close to my elbow, kind of.
莱蒂西亚·利马 靠近我的肘部，有点。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
And she didn't let go for a bit, so I was yelling.
她没有放开一点，所以我大喊大叫。
And she kind of had her teeth in me.
她有点咬牙切齿地咬着我。
How hard did she bite you, would you say?
你说她咬你有多狠？
So she did not break my skin.
所以她没有伤我的皮肤。
There was no blood.
没有血。
Well, that's good.
嗯，那很好。
Would you say it was as hard as maybe you would need to bite into a soft piece of bread?
你会说它像你需要咬一块软面包一样硬吗？
More like an apple, I think.
我觉得更像一个苹果。
Tobin Low Oh, so some snap to it.
托宾·洛（Tobin Low）哦，有些人对此很感兴趣。
I let out this really loud shout, like a yelp.
我发出了一声非常大声的喊叫，就像尖叫一样。
Understandable.
可以理解。
Leticia Lima Not like a sustained yell, but a really loud ow kind of noise, loud enough that the people who are in the row in front of us and behind us and across from us all kind of turn around.
莱蒂西娅·利马：不是持续的叫喊，而是一种非常响亮的噪音，响亮到我们前面、后面和对面一排的人都转过身来。
I could see their heads turning in my direction to see what happened.
我可以看到他们的头转向我的方向，想看看发生了什么。
One of them had leaned over and seen that she was biting me and sort of shouted out, she's biting her!
其中一个弯下身子，看到她在咬我，就大喊一声，她在咬她！
At which point, this lady let go, stopped biting me, and also let go of my hand and just started immediately apologizing profusely and saying, I don't know why I did that.
这时，这位女士松开了手，不再咬我，也松开了我的手，立即开始不断地道歉，并说，我不知道我为什么这么做。
I'm so sorry.
我很抱歉。
I've never done that before.
我以前从未这样做过。
And I just kept saying, no, it's OK.
我只是一直说，不，没关系。
Don't worry.
不用担心。
It's fine.
没关系。
It's all fine.
一切都很好。
And she just kept going on and on, and that made it worse.
她只是继续说下去，这让事情变得更糟。
And then the seatbelt signs go off, and it makes that plane noise.
然后安全带信号响起，飞机发出噪音。
And a stewardess comes rushing to our seat and was like, what happened?
一位空姐冲到我们的座位上问，发生了什么事？
And again, the person who had seen the bite leans over and says, that lady bit that girl.
看到咬伤的人再次倾身说道，那位女士咬了那个女孩。
I didn't say anything.
我什么也没说。
And the stewardess was like, is that true?
空姐问，这是真的吗？
And the lady goes, yes, yes, it's true.
这位女士说，是的，是的，这是真的。
I bit her.
我咬了她。
And I wanted to say, like, no, nothing happened.
我想说，不，什么也没发生。
Oh, no. Leticia Lima But the woman was confessing.
哦，不。莱蒂西亚·利马 但这女人正在坦白。
She was like, no, I did it, and I don't know why I did it.
她说，不，我做到了，但我不知道我为什么这么做。
And I'm so sorry I did it.
我很抱歉我这么做了。
I've never done that before.
我以前从未这样做过。
I felt embarrassed, in a way.
在某种程度上，我感到很尴尬。
And I don't like attention.
而且我不喜欢受到关注。
I'm a fairly introverted person.
我是一个比较内向的人。
So it was making me very uncomfortable.
所以这让我非常不舒服。
I just wanted to listen to my music and put on my sleeping mask and ignore all of this.
我只想听我的音乐，戴上睡眠面罩，忽略这一切。
The stewardess then says to me, can I speak to you privately?
空姐然后对我说，我可以和你私下聊聊吗？
Sort of in the back of the airplane, in the galley where they keep their drinks and stuff.
有点像在飞机后部的厨房里，他们在那里存放饮料和东西。
So I followed her back there.
于是我就跟着她回到了那里。
And she was like, look, do you want to report this incident?
她说，看，你想报告这件事吗？
Because you have been sort of physically assaulted.
因为你受到了某种身体攻击。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
Leticia Lima So you do have the option, if we want.
莱蒂西亚·利马 所以，如果我们愿意的话，你确实可以选择。
We can call the captain, and he will turn the plane around.
我们可以打电话给机长，他会让飞机掉头。
And I just said to her, no, absolutely not.
我只是对她说，不，绝对不。
Don't worry.
不用担心。
Everything is fine.
一切都很好。
But if you have another empty seat, maybe I could move?
但如果你还有空位子，也许我可以换个位置？
Oh.
哦。
They had to have done that for you, right?
他们一定是为你做的，对吧？
They must have moved your seat?
他们一定搬了你的座位吧？
No. She was like, oh, the flight is fully booked.
不，她说，哦，航班已经订满了。
No. Leticia Lima And because I think I was a teenager as well, I just said, OK.
不。莱蒂西亚·利马 因为我认为我也是一个青少年，所以我只是说，好吧。
I didn't argue the point.
我没有争论这一点。
So then I just went back to my seat.
然后我就回到了座位上。
Can you remind me, how long is this flight again?
你能提醒我一下，这个航班还要飞行多久吗？
It's about 12 hours.
大约有12个小时。
And this all happened within the first few minutes of the flight.
这一切都发生在飞行的最初几分钟内。
That's so long.
就这么长了。
Leticia Lima It was a very long flight.
莱蒂西亚·利马 这是一次很长的飞行。
So you're trapped next to her, basically.
所以基本上你被困在她身边了。
Like, you're stuck next to this woman who's bit you.
就像，你被困在这个咬你的女人旁边。
What did that feel like?
那感觉如何？
It was clear to me that she felt terrible and that she was still frightened.
我很清楚，她感觉很糟糕，而且仍然感到害怕。
She did not sleep a wink on that flight.
在那趟航班上她没有合眼。
And neither did I.
我也没有。
I could tell that she felt really bad.
我看得出来，她心情非常不好。
She was still praying and just sort of mumbling to herself quite a bit.
她仍在祈祷，只是自言自语了很多。
Oh, this poor woman.
哦，这个可怜的女人。
She kind of coiled in on herself.
她有点把自己蜷缩起来。
And once I turned my back a little sideways, she did the same, sort of facing out into the aisle.
当我稍微侧过身去时，她也做了同样的事情，有点面向过道。
So it was clear to me that she would not want more physical contact, or at least I felt that way.
所以我很清楚她不想有更多的身体接触，或者至少我是这么觉得的。
She didn't seem like a threat.
她看起来不像是一个威胁。
Did you make any conversation after that point?
那之后你们有进行过任何谈话吗？
Were you tempted at all to say something?
你有没有想说点什么？
No. I couldn't think of what I would say.
不，我想不出我该说什么。
As you were approaching landing, were you thinking that there might be an interaction moment or you might say something to each other?
当您接近着陆时，您是否认为可能会有一个互动时刻或者您可能会互相说些什么？
I thought she would apologize again.
我以为她会再次道歉。
I really did.
我真的做到了。
I thought that when she stood up, she would say, oh, and again, I'm so sorry.
我以为当她站起来时，她会说，哦，再说一遍，我很抱歉。
So I had my whole little "don't worry about it" spiel ready.
所以我已经准备好了我的“别担心”的长篇大论。
But she really didn't.
但她确实没有。
She just-- she took her time trying to get all her things back in her purse, and then she got up and left.
她只是——她花了一些时间试图把所有东西放回钱包里，然后她起身离开。
I got to boarding school.
我到了寄宿学校。
I had this really cool story to tell that no one else would have had.
我有一个非常酷的故事可以讲，其他人不会有。
But the more I told it, the more uncomfortable I got.
但我越说，我就越不舒服。
Because a lot of people's reactions were like, yeah, what a crazy woman.
因为很多人的反应都是，是啊，真是个疯狂的女人。
And what was she thinking?
她在想什么？
And I started kind of feeling bad for her.
我开始为她感到难过。
I kept thinking, what would it take for me to feel that scared that I would actually bite someone?
我一直在想，什么情况下我才会如此害怕自己真的会咬人呢？
And I had, at that point, never been that scared in my life.
那时我一生中从未如此害怕过。
There's a kind of almost, like, fondness there.
那里有一种近乎喜欢的感觉。
Isn't that funny how sometimes, when you get stuck in a situation with someone, especially something that's hard or long, that stuckness makes you feel like you're comrades, almost, or like you were--
这不是很有趣吗，有时候，当你与某人陷入困境时，尤其是一些困难或漫长的事情，这种困境让你感觉你们几乎是同志，或者就像你们一样——
Yeah.
是的。
And we shared something very unusual.
我们分享了一些非常不寻常的事情。
It was just a very bizarre set of circumstances.
这只是一系列非常奇怪的情况。
Leticia Lima talking to Tobin Low, who's a producer on our show.
莱蒂西亚·利马 (Leticia Lima) 与我们节目的制片人托宾·洛 (Tobin Low) 交谈。
Our program today was produced by Dana Chivvis, who also produced Ayman's story in act one and Eileen's story in act two.
我们今天的节目由 Dana Chivvis 制作，他还制作了第一幕中艾曼的故事和第二幕中艾琳的故事。
Ira Glass edited the show.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 担任该节目的剪辑师。
The people who put together today's program include Phia Bennin, Cassie Howley, Valerie Kipnis, Adriene Lilly, Seth Lind, Molly Marcello, Andrea Marks, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, Nadia Reiman, Isabel Ruehl, Ruby Schwartz, Alissa Shipp, Ike Sriskandarajah, Christopher Swetala, Daphne Tolis, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Phia Bennin、Cassie Howley、Valerie Kipnis、Adriene Lilly、Seth Lind、Molly Marcello、Andrea Marks、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson、Nadia Reiman、Isabel Ruehl、Ruby Schwartz、Alissa Shipp、Ike Sriskandarajah、Christopher Swetala、Daphne Tolis 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Senior editor-- Nancy Updike.
高级编辑——南希·厄普代克。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Special thanks today to Katrin Hansing, Michael Bustamante, and Matthew Steinberg.
今天特别感谢卡特琳·汉辛 (Katrin Hansing)、迈克尔·布斯塔曼特 (Michael Bustamante) 和马修·斯坦伯格 (Matthew Steinberg)。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream our archive of nearly 900 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地观看我们近 900 集的档案。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our show's host, Ira Glass, who mysteriously took off for a few weeks.
一如既往地感谢我们节目的主持人艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)，她神秘地离开了几周。
And then I ran into him behind the counter of a Starbucks.
然后我在星巴克柜台后面遇到了他。
He seemed happy.
他看起来很高兴。
I'm David Kestenbaum.
我是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Ira will be back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉将于下周带着更多《美国生活》的故事回来。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。