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Prologue: Prologue Chana Joffe-Walt From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言：序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Chana Joffe-Walt，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
When Shirin Jaafari moved to the US as a young adult, there were a lot of promises made to her family back home.
当 Shirin Jaafari 年轻时移居美国时，她向家乡的家人做出了很多承诺。
We'll be in touch all the time, call you every week, almost like we're in the same town, which is the kind of thing you say.
我们会一直保持联系，每周给你打电话，就像我们在同一个城镇一样，这就是你说的那种事情。
But Shirin actually pulled this off for the last 20 years.
但希林在过去 20 年里确实做到了这一点。
We are a close family.
我们是一个亲密的家庭。
We message several times a day.
我们每天发消息几次。
We send each other reels, like, normal stuff.
我们互相发送卷轴，就像普通的东西一样。
I mean, I don't want to lose those details, those small details of their lives, because I am so far away from them.
我的意思是，我不想失去那些细节，那些他们生活中的小细节，因为我离他们太远了。
And they really get into the details, this family-- who ate what, how far was the walk, what's the latest with the dental work?
他们真的很了解这个家庭的细节——谁吃了什么，走了多远，最近的牙科治疗情况如何？
On the phone, by text, random thoughts tossed out at any hour-- have you seen this pumpkin dessert?
电话里、短信里，随时都会冒出一些乱七八糟的想法——你见过这个南瓜甜点吗？
Unsolicited suggestions.
未经请求的建议。
I would send them videos of exercises they can do at home.
我会给他们发送他们可以在家做的练习的视频。
Like you worrying about them getting enough movement?
就像你担心他们有足够的运动吗？
I would love them to-- yes, I have been trying to get my mom to do more yoga and my dad to not sit all day.
我希望他们——是的，我一直在努力让我妈妈多做瑜伽，让我爸爸不要整天坐着。
How's that going?
怎么样？
Shirin Jaafari Not great.
希林·贾法里 不太好。
So just like a constant, ongoing conversation with them.
就像与他们进行持续不断的对话一样。
Totally, the kind of thing that you would be asking them if you were actually in the same space and close.
总的来说，你会问他们是否真的在同一个空间并且距离很近。
Then in February, the United States and Israel attacked Iran, where her parents live.
然后在二月份，美国和以色列袭击了她父母居住的伊朗。
And on that very same day, the first day of the war, the Iranian authorities shut the internet down, just put the whole country into an internet blackout, a shockingly effective blackout.
就在同一天，战争的第一天，伊朗当局关闭了互联网，让整个国家陷入了互联网封锁，这是一次令人震惊的有效封锁。
The call wouldn't go through.
电话无法接通。
It would just disconnect.
它只会断开连接。
I didn't hear anything.
我什么也没听到。
It would just disconnect.
它只会断开连接。
Yes, of course.
是的当然。
I tried so many times.
我尝试了很多次。
I wouldn't be able to get through.
我将无法通过。
Calling through cell phone was impossible.
通过手机打电话是不可能的。
It just became useless.
它只是变得毫无用处。
The cell phone became useless for us.
手机对我们来说变得毫无用处。
The only way I was able to communicate with them was them calling on a landline to my cell phone.
我能够与他们沟通的唯一方式是他们通过固定电话拨打我的手机。
That was the only way they could reach me.
这是他们联系我的唯一途径。
Text message, email-- nothing else was working?
短信、电子邮件——其他都不起作用吗？
After that point, no. They called me on the landline.
在那之后，没有。他们用固定电话给我打电话。
And it's funny when I think of it-- there were so many times when I visit them and I would tell them, who needs a landline?
当我想到这一点时，这很有趣 - 有很多次我拜访他们时，我会告诉他们，谁需要固定电话？
Maybe you guys should get rid of this.
也许你们应该摆脱这个。
In this day and age, who needs a landline?
在当今时代，谁需要固定电话？
Inside Iran, what was happening was, as soon as the war started, cell phones were only working to call people inside the country, no internet.
在伊朗境内，战争一开始，手机就只能给国内的人打电话，无法上网。
Communication with the outside world became so difficult, it was like going from breathing regularly out in the open to being underwater and breathing through a straw.
与外界的交流变得如此困难，就像从在露天定期呼吸变成了在水下通过吸管呼吸一样。
Workarounds like VPNs are expensive or janky.
VPN 之类的解决方法既昂贵又不稳定。
Some are flat-out scams.
有些是彻头彻尾的骗局。
And they're banned.
他们被禁止了。
A private satellite service like Starlink?
像 Starlink 这样的私人卫星服务？
Illegal.
非法的。
And people have been arrested for using it.
人们因使用它而被捕。
So the landline-- that was the only way Shirin's parents could reach her.
所以固定电话——这是希琳的父母联系到她的唯一方式。
But when bombing got too intense in Tehran, they fled the city, leaving behind the landline.
但当德黑兰的轰炸过于激烈时，他们逃离了这座城市，留下了固定电话。
And Shirin was left going for days, sometimes weeks, without hearing from them.
希琳连续几天甚至几周都没有收到他们的消息。
Were they OK?
他们还好吗？
Were they safe?
他们安全吗？
She'd go on social media, scouring every platform, looking for anyone she knew in Iran who had found some brief internet workaround to ask them if they'd heard from her parents.
她会在社交媒体上搜索每个平台，寻找她在伊朗认识的任何人，如果他们找到了一些简短的互联网解决方法，询问他们是否收到了她父母的消息。
So sometimes I would stay up at like, 3:00 or 4:00 AM, looking for any information that I can get from any relative or friend or somebody who knows my parents that could be online.
因此，有时我会在凌晨 3:00 或 4:00 左右熬夜，寻找可以从亲戚、朋友或认识我父母的人那里获得的任何信息。
I would just send messages to everybody, like, hey, let me know if you are online.
我只会向每个人发送消息，例如，嘿，如果您在线，请告诉我。
Let me know the next time you're connected.
下次连接时请告诉我。
Can you give me an update?
你能给我更新吗？
Just message me as soon as you see this message.
看到这条消息后请立即给我发消息。
I've heard a lot in the last two months during this war about deals and negotiations.
在这场战争的过去两个月里，我听到了很多有关交易和谈判的消息。
I've heard about bombings by the US and Israel, and by Iran.
我听说过美国、以色列以及伊朗的爆炸事件。
Also lots about oil prices and the stock market, and the Strait of Hormuz.
还有很多关于石油价格、股市和霍尔木兹海峡的内容。
But I haven't heard much at all from Iranians inside Iran.
但我在伊朗境内没有听到太多伊朗人的消息。
What are they seeing, and thinking, and doing, and talking about?
他们在看到什么、在想什么、在做什么、在谈论什么？
For the last few weeks, we've been working with two journalists in the United States, Fatemeh Jamalpour and Roxana Saberi, to collect voice memos from inside Iran.
在过去的几周里，我们一直与美国的两名记者 Fatemeh Jamalpour 和 Roxana Saberi 合作，收集伊朗境内的语音备忘录。
So many people sent messages, even though it was difficult and dangerous for them to get these messages out.
这么多人发送信息，尽管他们将这些信息传达出去既困难又危险。
But people wanted to be heard.
但人们希望被听到。
I have not heard anything like these from inside Iran.
我还没有从伊朗内部听到类似的消息。
I guess that's part of the point of an internet blackout.
我想这就是互联网中断的部分原因。
So that's what I want to share with you.
这就是我想与大家分享的内容。
Today's show, we hear from people inside Iran, where war is only part of what's going on for them.
在今天的节目中，我们听到了伊朗境内人们的声音，战争只是他们所经历的事情的一部分。
That's coming up.
即将到来。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
Today's episode, Blackout.
今天的节目，停电。
Other places have had their internet cut off during a war.
其他地方的互联网在战争期间被切断。
Iran is not the first.
伊朗并不是第一个。
But this isn't something that's being imposed on the country from the outside.
但这并不是外部强加给这个国家的。
It's being done by the leadership of the country to its own citizens while they're being attacked-- in this case by us, the United States, and Israel.
这是国家领导人在本国公民受到攻击时（在本例中是我们、美国和以色列）对他们所做的。
Listening to these messages that people sent us, you really get the feeling for how total a blackout is.
听着人们发给我们的这些信息，你就能真正感受到停电的严重程度。
I had the thought, listening over and over, that every part of what they're saying is not supposed to be heard, even basic things like, what are people doing every day?
我一遍又一遍地听着，觉得他们所说的每一部分都不应该被听到，甚至是基本的事情，比如人们每天在做什么？
A blackout is not a censorship that goes line by line.
停电并不是逐条进行的审查。
It is wholesale redaction of people's lives, and sometimes deaths.
它是对人们生活的大规模编辑，有时甚至是死亡。
Here's what it took for people to get these messages out of Iran.
以下是人们如何从伊朗获取这些信息。
They had to borrow or pay for a VPN or satellite connection, wait for it to actually work.
他们必须借用或支付 VPN 或卫星连接费用，等待其真正发挥作用。
Starlink connections in Iran keep getting shut down.
伊朗的星链连接不断被关闭。
They had to not get caught.
他们必须不被抓住。
Iranians have been imprisoned for speaking with foreign media.
伊朗人因接受外国媒体采访而被监禁。
It sometimes took days to get these voice memos out of the country to us, often short messages, a minute at a time so the files were small enough to get through.
有时需要几天时间才能将这些语音备忘录从国外发送给我们，通常是短信，一次一分钟，因此文件足够小，可以通过。
The messages came from a whole range of people, from different parts of Iran, different ages, professions, political views, and also different experiences.
这些信息来自各种各样的人，来自伊朗不同地区、不同年龄、职业、政治观点和不同经历。
Every time I got one of these messages, I stopped what I was doing to listen all the way through.
每当我收到其中一条消息时，我都会停下手头的事情，从头到尾地听着。
So I want to play them for you the way I heard them, one person after another.
所以我想按照我听到的方式，一个接一个地为你们演奏它们。
We have edited them but tried to leave them at a length where you can really hear what people have to say as they go about their day.
我们对它们进行了编辑，但试图将它们保留在您可以真正听到人们在日常生活中所说的话的长度。
I'm going to play the messages in four sections.
我将分四个部分播放这些消息。
We could call them acts.
我们可以称它们为行为。
So here we go, Act One, Both/And.
所以我们开始，第一幕，两者/和。
In these first few messages, people talk about the dual experience of living both in a war and at the same time in an internet blackout, both dragging on and on, 63 days and counting as I record this now.
在最初的几条信息中，人们谈论了生活在战争中和同时生活在互联网中断中的双重经历，这两种经历一直持续了 63 天，直到我现在记录这一天为止。
First voice memo, Negin.
第一个语音备忘录，Negin。
She's in her early 40s and lives in Tehran with her boyfriend, Ameen.
她 40 岁出头，与男友 Ameen 住在德黑兰。
After breakfast, I got ready to go to work, got into my car, and drove onto the highway.
吃完早饭，我准备去上班，坐上车，驶上了高速公路。
Then suddenly, Ameen called and said, Negin, they're bombing Tehran.
然后突然，阿明打来电话说，尼金，他们正在轰炸德黑兰。
That was pretty much my last call.
这几乎是我最后一次打电话了。
All internet lines were suddenly cut off.
所有的互联网线路突然被切断。
This message and all the messages you're going to hear in the show is being read by an actor.
这条消息以及您将在节目中听到的所有消息正在由演员读取。
To protect everyone's identity in this show, we've changed people's names, and we've asked Iranian and Iranian American actors outside of Iran to listen to the messages and then record what people said and how they said it onto their phones as voice memos.
为了保护节目中每个人的身份，我们更改了人们的名字，并要求伊朗境外的伊朗人和伊朗裔美国演员收听这些消息，然后将人们所说的话以及他们如何说的内容记录到手机上作为语音备忘录。
Some of the original messages were recorded in English.
一些原始消息是用英语录制的。
Most were translated from Persian.
大多数是从波斯语翻译过来的。
Once or twice, we've changed a small phrase for clarity.
为了清楚起见，我们有一两次更改了一个小短语。
OK, back to Negin.
好吧，回到内金。
And then they started hitting the East of Tehran, these strange, terrifying sounds.
然后他们开始袭击德黑兰东部，这些奇怪、可怕的声音。
We were really not prepared for suddenly being in the middle of the highway and hearing sounds like that.
我们真的没有准备好突然在高速公路中间听到这样的声音。
Some people, they just parked their cars and they got out.
有些人，他们只是把车停好，然后就下车了。
And they were staring at the smoke.
他们盯着烟雾。
They didn't know what to do.
他们不知道该怎么办。
Two, three people had gone and hidden in the bushes.
两三个人已经走了，藏在灌木丛里。
It-- it was really strange.
这……实在是太奇怪了。
Then this delivery guy on a motorcycle passed by me.
然后这个骑摩托车的送货员从我身边经过。
He had this Kurdish accent.
他有库尔德口音。
My window was down, and I was completely terrified.
我的窗户是摇下的，我完全被吓坏了。
He passed my car and said, Bibi finally came.
他经过我的车说，比比终于来了。
And I was like, my god, nobody even knows how this war is going to end.
我当时想，天哪，没有人知道这场战争将如何结束。
Who cares about Bibi?
谁关心比比？
I finally made it to Sohrevardi Street to go towards my mom's place.
我终于到达了 Sohrevardi 街，准备去我妈妈家。
And I saw that they had closed all the schools, and they had called all the families to come pick up their children.
我看到他们已经关闭了所有的学校，并打电话给所有的家庭来接孩子。
Some of the mothers were clearly regular office workers.
有些母亲显然是普通办公室职员。
They were wearing their uniform of manteaus and trousers.
他们穿着斗篷和裤子的制服。
And they were running on foot towards the schools because the streets were blocked.
由于街道被封锁，他们步行向学校跑去。
And everyone at the school was crying, begging for their children to come out faster.
学校里的每个人都在哭泣，恳求他们的孩子快点出来。
And I went a little farther, and I got to this girls' high school.
我又走了远一点，到了这所女子高中。
And I saw these girls come out.
我看到这些女孩出来了。
And they took off their headscarves and messed up their hair into the air.
他们还摘下头巾，把头发随意地散在空中。
And they were chanting that, yes, now we are finally becoming free.
他们高呼，是的，现在我们终于获得自由了。
[SLIGHT CHUCKLE]
[轻笑]
Then a bomb hit somewhere nearby, and the sound was unbelievable.
然后一枚炸弹击中了附近的某个地方，声音令人难以置信。
And at once, people just poured into the streets.
立刻，人们涌上街头。
And some people, clearly, they were gathering their things to leave Tehran.
显然，有些人正在收拾行李准备离开德黑兰。
Hello.
你好。
Hope you're doing well.
希望你一切都好。
First, I apologize because, unfortunately, I've caught a cold these days.
首先，我很抱歉，因为不幸的是，这些天我感冒了。
My voice is hoarse.
我的声音沙哑了。
This is Pooya.
这是普雅。
He's in his mid-30s.
他三十多岁了。
He owns a pizza shop in Tehran.
他在德黑兰拥有一家披萨店。
But look, cutting the internet is a disaster.
但你看，切断互联网是一场灾难。
Our phones are constantly ringing.
我们的电话一直响个不停。
So-and-so, be careful.
某某，小心一点。
Such-and-such a place is being bombed.
某某地方正在遭受轰炸。
We worry about each other.
我们互相担心。
We wake up, try to have a normal day, which is not very normal.
我们醒来，尝试过正常的一天，但这不是很正常。
And we come to work, wait, reading the news.
我们来上班，等待，阅读新闻。
Some of us have the internet.
我们中的一些人有互联网。
Some don't.
有些则不然。
So part of the news is actually passed from person to person.
所以部分消息实际上是在人与人之间传递的。
When Tehran is attacked, I don't do anything special.
当德黑兰遭到袭击时，我没有做任何特别的事情。
I just sit where I am and go about my day, truthfully.
我只是坐在原处，诚实地度过我的一天。
There have been many times when I was cooking or doing whatever, and I just continued doing it because there was nothing I could do at that moment.
有很多次，当我做饭或做任何事情时，我只是继续做，因为那一刻我无能为力。
People come out now, eat, go to cafes.
人们现在出来吃饭、去咖啡馆。
But economically, you can't just say conditions are bad.
但从经济上来说，你不能只说条件不好。
Conditions are almost on the verge of collapse.
情况几乎处于崩溃的边缘。
We've laid off nearly 70% of the staff or almost more.
我们已经解雇了近 70% 甚至更多的员工。
People still come to buy pizza, but much less often.
人们仍然来买披萨，但次数少了很多。
Regarding the menu, some things have been limited, for example, the salads or the appetizers, like chicken and so on because it might not be economically viable for people to buy them right now.
关于菜单，有些东西受到了限制，例如沙拉或开胃菜，例如鸡肉等，因为人们现在购买它们可能在经济上不可行。
I took away the salads for a month.
我把沙拉拿走了一个月。
I'm bringing them back at the end of this week.
我将在本周末把它们带回来。
But our beef bacon pizza is among the best sellers.
但我们的牛肉培根披萨是最畅销的。
There are checkpoints everywhere in the streets.
街道上到处都是检查站。
The atmosphere is really unsafe, very highly securitized.
气氛确实不安全，高度安全化。
And I mean, we're very afraid of these checkpoints.
我的意思是，我们非常害怕这些检查站。
We're really as afraid of the checkpoints as we are of bombs and missiles.
我们真的像害怕炸弹和导弹一样害怕检查站。
Sarah is in her early 30s.
莎拉 30 岁出头。
She's talking here about checkpoints that have been set up all around the country by Iranian security forces, including the IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
她在这里谈论的是伊朗安全部队在全国各地设立的检查站，其中包括伊斯兰革命卫队。
We know they check phones.
我们知道他们会检查电话。
We know they search photo galleries.
我们知道他们搜索照片库。
We know they've arrested people we knew because of just something they found on their phone, like a photo or a call, or following a certain page or something like that.
我们知道他们逮捕了我们认识的人，因为他们在手机上发现了一些东西，比如照片或电话，或者关注了某个页面或类似的东西。
It's very terrifying.
这是非常可怕的。
For a long time, I just didn't take my phone out with me at all.
很长一段时间，我根本没有带手机出去。
But for example, now that I've started taking it out, I just constantly erase everything and clear my phone of everything.
但举例来说，既然我已经开始把它拿出来，我就会不断地删除所有内容并清除手机上的所有内容。
Honestly, when things are outside of my control, I just start cleaning and tidying my house.
老实说，当事情超出我的控制范围时，我就会开始打扫和整理我的房子。
I constantly clean everywhere in the house.
我经常打扫房子里的各个地方。
I vacuum.
我吸尘。
I wash the dishes so the house is perfectly tidy.
我洗碗，所以房子非常整洁。
I cook.
我做饭。
I start dusting, vacuuming, washing the bathroom, washing the kitchen, washing all the dishes in the sink.
我开始除尘、吸尘、清洗浴室、清洗厨房、清洗水槽中的所有餐具。
I started making jam, which I have never done before.
我开始做果酱，这是我以前从未做过的。
I scrubbed the whole house with the thought that if there's no electricity or water, at least my house would stay clean for a few more days.
我擦洗了整个房子，心想如果没有电、没有水，至少我的房子还能保持干净几天。
And then I took a shower.
然后我洗了个澡。
I blow-dried my hair.
我把头发吹干了。
I mean, I know it's really stupid.
我的意思是，我知道这真的很愚蠢。
Like, if they bomb your country's infrastructure, this might help you for, what, maybe two extra days?
就像，如果他们轰炸你国家的基础设施，这可能会帮助你，什么，也许额外两天？
But it gave me a good feeling psychologically at least.
但至少在心理上给我带来了良好的感觉。
Next voice memo is from an emergency nurse, Silphia, in her late 20s.
下一个语音备忘录来自一位 20 多岁的急诊护士 Silphia。
She lives in Isfahan, central Iran.
她住在伊朗中部的伊斯法罕。
Silphia talked about something other people mentioned too, trying to use the sort of substitute, very limited internal internet the Iranian authorities have created.
西尔菲亚谈到了其他人也提到过的事情，试图使用伊朗当局创建的那种替代性的、非常有限的内部互联网。
The national intranet only works inside Iran.
国家内联网仅在伊朗境内运行。
It's its own system, tightly controlled and surveilled.
它有自己的系统，受到严格控制和监视。
There are apps for messaging, texting inside the country, banking services.
有用于短信、国内短信、银行服务的应用程序。
There's an Iranian search engine called Torob.
伊朗有一个名为 Torob 的搜索引擎。
And sometimes some international sites can be accessed through the internal intranet, but others can't.
有时一些国际站点可以通过内部 Intranet 访问，但其他站点则不能。
Silphia had a day off work and was testing out what she could and could not do on the internal system.
西尔菲亚请了一天假，正在测试她可以在内部系统上做什么和不能做什么。
I wanted to buy cologne, so I ordered that online.
我想买古龙水，所以我在网上订购了。
And I had no problem with the payment.
而且我的付款没有任何问题。
Some sites that you used to connect to directly through Torob, they don't open now.
您曾经通过 Torob 直接连接到的某些网站现在无法打开。
And so I don't know why some open, some don't.
所以我不知道为什么有些打开，有些不打开。
I don't know what the problem is or what difference there is.
我不知道问题是什么，也不知道有什么区别。
Now I almost feel a bit illiterate because before, whenever something came to my mind that I didn't know, I would quickly google it.
现在我几乎感觉自己有点文盲，因为以前，每当我想到一些我不知道的事情时，我都会很快用谷歌搜索。
And I spent so much time every day talking to ChatGPT.
我每天都会花很多时间与 ChatGPT 交谈。
I would consult it about everything I wanted to do.
我会向它咨询我想做的一切。
But now I can't do any of those things because basically, my phone has just turned into a tool for calling, texting, taking photos, things like that.
但现在我不能做任何这些事情，因为基本上，我的手机已经变成了打电话、发短信、拍照之类的工具。
That's it.
就是这样。
There is an app they've provided as a replacement for Google called Zarebin, but I haven't been able to get anything decent out of it so far.
他们提供了一个名为 Zarebin 的应用程序作为 Google 的替代品，但到目前为止我还没有能够从中得到任何像样的东西。
What you search for has to be very common and simple, like searching for the name of a medicine, for example.
您搜索的内容必须非常常见且简单，例如搜索药物名称。
And even then, it doesn't show all the references.
即使如此，它也没有显示所有参考文献。
It brings up some very simple Iranian references and basic explanation.
它提出了一些非常简单的伊朗参考文献和基本解释。
Otherwise, it doesn't give you a proper answer for anything else.
否则，它不会为您提供其他任何问题的正确答案。
I even wanted to find a number for a fast food place through it so I could call them, but it wouldn't bring it up for me.
我什至想通过它找到一家快餐店的电话号码，这样我就可以给他们打电话，但它不会为我提供。
That's how ridiculous it is.
就是这么可笑。
Okay, now I want to play a different group of messages for you.
好的，现在我想为您播放另一组消息。
Act Two, The Blackout Before This One.
第二幕，这一幕之前的停电。
From an American perspective, we went to war with Iran.
从美国的角度来看，我们与伊朗开战。
That's what's happening there.
这就是那里正在发生的事情。
That's where the story begins.
故事就是从这里开始的。
But this war for Iranians landed in the middle of an ongoing story about what's been happening inside the country.
但这场针对伊朗人的战争却引发了有关该国国内正在发生的事情的故事。
And these next two people who sent voice memos, they had a role in that story.
接下来发送语音备忘录的两个人，他们在这个故事中发挥了作用。
There have been regular large protests against the Iranian regime for years in Iran.
多年来，伊朗境内经常发生针对伊朗政权的大规模抗议活动。
And right before the war, massive demonstrations erupted around the entire country.
战争爆发前夕，全国各地爆发了大规模示威活动。
People took to the streets demanding the end of the regime, which has been in power in Iran for almost 50 years.
人们走上街头，要求结束在伊朗执政近50年的政权。
The protests went on for weeks.
抗议活动持续了数周。
And then Iranian authorities put the country into a full communications blackout.
然后伊朗当局将该国全面封锁。
It started on January 8.
事情从1月8日开始。
Over the next few days, during the blackout, security forces massacred people all across the country.
接下来的几天里，在停电期间，安全部队在全国各地屠杀了人们。
They killed thousands, possibly tens of thousands, of their own citizens.
他们杀害了数千甚至数万名自己的公民。
They did this at a moment when there was no way for people to tell anyone, to post photos or videos, or to warn their friends, or call international reporters, or even reach family outside of the country.
他们这样做的时候，人们无法告诉任何人，无法发布照片或视频，无法警告他们的朋友，无法致电国际记者，甚至无法联系国外的家人。
We still don't know the scale of the killing.
我们仍然不知道杀戮的规模。
Human rights groups have been trying to document as many deaths as they can.
人权组织一直在努力记录尽可能多的死亡事件。
In a blackout, you can die without being counted.
在停电的情况下，你可能会死而不会被计算在内。
The two reporters who collected voice memos for today's show, Roxana Saberi and Fatemeh Jamalpour, also managed to get messages out during the last blackout.
为今天的节目收集语音备忘录的两名记者 Roxana Saberi 和 Fatemeh Jamalpour 在上次停电期间也设法将消息传达出去。
Dozens of people inside Iran found ways to send them rare firsthand accounts-- images, videos, medical records-- that suggested that the IRGC and other security forces shot protesters at close range, targeting their heads and chests, their eyes.
伊朗境内的数十人想方设法向他们发送罕见的第一手资料——图像、视频、医疗记录——这些资料表明，伊斯兰革命卫队和其他安全部队近距离射击抗议者，瞄准他们的头部、胸部和眼睛。
The protests and killings in January haunted some of the voice memos we got, even as people try to continue living, going about their normal routines.
一月份的抗议和杀戮困扰着我们收到的一些语音备忘录，尽管人们试图继续生活，过着正常的生活。
Amin is in his 20s.
阿明20多岁。
He's a professional bodybuilder in Tehran.
他是德黑兰的一名职业健美运动员。
He joined the protests.
他加入了抗议活动。
One of his friends was shot and killed while protesting, Mehdi Zatparvar.
他的一位朋友迈赫迪·扎特帕瓦尔 (Mehdi Zatparvar) 在抗议时被枪杀。
He was a well-known champion bodybuilder.
他是一位著名的健美冠军。
I've been on a special diet since January.
自一月份以来我一直在进行特殊饮食。
I wanted to compete back then, but I didn't.
那时我想参加比赛，但我没有。
I canceled it out of respect for those who were killed, out of respect for Mr. Zatparvar.
出于对遇难者的尊重，出于对扎特帕瓦尔先生的尊重，我取消了它。
After that, competitions were canceled altogether.
此后，比赛全部取消。
And gradually, I just kept my diet because I saw I had nothing else to do.
渐渐地，我就开始控制饮食了，因为我发现我没有别的事可做。
I usually wake up at 4:45, and I do my cardio from 5:00 to 6:00.
我通常在 4:45 起床，并在 5:00 至 6:00 期间进行有氧运动。
I get by with seven or eight meals a day, even though prices have skyrocketed and my savings are completely gone, but I am still keeping at it anyway.
一天吃七八顿饭就够了，虽然物价飞涨，积蓄也花光了，但我还是坚持了下来。
I generally don't follow the news anymore, neither Iranian nor foreign news.
我一般不再关注新闻，无论是伊朗新闻还是外国新闻。
Iran International says one thing, and Iran state TV says another.
伊朗国际说的是一回事，伊朗国家电视台说的是另一回事。
So I simply don't get my mind involved with the news anymore.
所以我不再关心新闻了。
Unless, for example, Trump tweets.
例如，除非特朗普发推文。
Whatever he posts, we basically assume the opposite because he either does exactly what he says or the exact opposite.
无论他发布什么内容，我们基本上都会假设相反的情况，因为他要么完全按照他所说的去做，要么完全相反。
Right in front of me is a checkpoint, and I am passing through it.
我的面前有一个检查站，我正在通过它。
The IRGC is completely controlling everything with its own full supervision.
伊斯兰革命卫队通过自己的全面监督完全控制着一切。
Recently, I've been recording videos as motivation for those who think they just need to sit at home during the war.
最近，我一直在录制视频，以激励那些认为自己在战争期间只需要坐在家里的人。
I really want to try to convince them, through exercise, they can live in a way that at least keeps their vibes high.
我真的很想尝试说服他们，通过锻炼，他们可以以一种至少保持活力的方式生活。
Anushirvan is a doctor in the north of Iran.
阿努希尔万是伊朗北部的一名医生。
He's young, in his mid 20s.
他很年轻，才20多岁。
He spent January treating hundreds of wounded protesters, some of them shot with military-grade weapons, sometimes at close distance, sometimes in the head.
一月份，他治疗了数百名受伤的抗议者，其中一些人被军用级武器射击，有时是近距离，有时是头部。
And while he was treating people, plainclothes security agents roamed the hospital.
当他救治病人时，便衣保安人员在医院里巡逻。
So if someone needed an X-ray, Anushirvan and his colleagues would personally escort them to radiology so they wouldn't be detained.
因此，如果有人需要 X 光检查，阿努希尔万和他的同事会亲自护送他们去放射科，这样他们就不会被拘留。
They showed people how to leave out the back door of the hospital.
他们向人们展示了如何离开医院的后门。
As he worked, Anushirvan began saving X-rays and photographs and notes in a panic that the regime, through its blackout, would succeed in hiding what it had done.
阿努什万一边工作，一边开始保存 X 光片、照片和笔记，他惊慌失措，担心该政权会通过封锁来成功掩盖其所做的事情。
In a lot of ways, it has.
从很多方面来说，确实如此。
And now, in another blackout, an endless blackout, Anushirvan is just still doing his job, getting through each day.
而现在，在另一次停电、无休止的停电中，阿努希尔万仍然在做他的工作，度过每一天。
After eating a very sad excuse for a breakfast, I fed my cats, which I had adopted after the events of January due to my friend's recommendation to have a companion in those times.
在吃了一个非常悲伤的早餐后，我喂了我的猫，这是我在一月份的事件后收养的，因为我的朋友建议在那段时间有一个同伴。
I believe it helped.
我相信这有帮助。
Very interesting creatures, cats are.
非常有趣的生物，猫就是。
I dressed up and called for, you could say, an Iranian version of an Uber to the hospital, went downstairs.
我穿好衣服，叫了一辆伊朗版的 Uber 去医院，然后下了楼。
And looking at the car, it was barely functioning and being held together.
看看这辆车，它几乎无法运转并且被固定在一起。
And the driver had a very, say, stereotypical type of beard.
司机的胡子很典型。
And my suspicions were confirmed when I sat in the car and saw two stickers of Soleimani and Khamenei on the dashboard of his car, not exactly the two faces I want to see that early in the day, but you know.
当我坐在车里看到苏莱马尼和哈梅内伊汽车仪表板上的两张贴纸时，我的怀疑得到了证实，这不完全是我想在当天早些时候看到的两张脸，但你知道。
So he drove me to the hospital and saw a white lab coat in my bag and asked if I was a doctor.
于是他开车送我去医院，看到我包里有一件白色的实验服，就问我是不是医生。
And then he said, "may God give you strength, Doctor." Of course, had the situation been a lot different, him, or at least, the men of his type, would have beaten me to death.
然后他说：“愿上帝赐予你力量，博士。”当然，如果情况有很大不同，他，或者至少是他这种类型的人，会把我打死的。
But I thanked him properly still.
但我还是好好地感谢了他。
I'm not saying anyone who believes in the regime would kill you in the streets for protesting them, but it could be an unignited dynamite.
我并不是说任何相信这个政权的人都会因为抗议而在街上杀死你，但这可能是一个未点燃的炸药。
So I reached the hospital.
于是我就到了医院。
And it was a fairly nice shift.
这是一个相当不错的转变。
Not a lot of critical patients, fortunately.
幸运的是，重症患者并不多。
So I could spend some time in the pavilion, watching my new favorite show, The Walking Dead.
这样我就可以在展馆里花一些时间，观看我最喜欢的新节目《行尸走肉》。
It's my favorite show because basically I cannot tolerate anything else because at least in The Walking Dead, the things are objectively worse for the people there than it is for the Iranians right now.
这是我最喜欢的节目，因为基本上我不能容忍其他任何事情，因为至少在《行尸走肉》中，客观上，那里的人们的情况比现在的伊朗人更糟糕。
That is the only thing I can tolerate.
这是我唯一能忍受的。
I really like the show.
我真的很喜欢这个节目。
Daryl is my favorite character.
达里尔是我最喜欢的角色。
I sure hope nothing bad happens to him.
我当然希望他没有发生什么不好的事情。
And, well, let's see how poorly this ages.
而且，好吧，让我们看看这个年代有多糟糕。
One of my patients was an 11-year-old girl coming in with a chief complaint of extreme headache in front of her head.
我的一位病人是一位 11 岁的女孩，她的主诉是头前极度头痛。
It was nothing too serious.
没什么太严重的。
I asked if she's undergone any stress recently, kind of an obvious question these days, but she was a child.
我问她最近是否承受过任何压力，这是一个显而易见的问题，但她还是个孩子。
I asked the parents if she had any access to any of the news of the war, and they confirmed it, which sounds like very poor parenting to me.
我问她的父母，她是否能获得任何有关战争的新闻，他们证实了这一点，这对我来说听起来是非常糟糕的养育方式。
So after making sure the hospital was stabilized, me and two of my friends went to the park near the hospital to smoke cigarettes.
所以确定医院情况稳定后，我和两个朋友就去医院附近的公园抽烟。
I had never smoked any cigarettes up until, like, two months ago.
直到两个月前我才抽过烟。
My very first cigarette was upon hearing the news, the confirmation of Khamenei being killed.
我的第一根烟是在听到哈梅内伊被杀的消息后抽的。
And I'm really glad I waited that long because now every time I do it, I'm reminded of that night, as it was one of the best nights of my life.
我真的很高兴我等了那么久，因为现在每次我这样做时，我都会想起那天晚上，因为那是我一生中最美好的夜晚之一。
Anushirvan spent more than half of his monthly salary on a VPN.
Anushirvan 将超过一半的月薪花在了 VPN 上。
Then he got online finally and was devastated.
然后他终于上网了，但他很沮丧。
He saw some of what was being said about Iran in the wider world.
他看到了外界对伊朗的一些看法。
By far, the most difficult moments for me during the blackouts were times like this, where I could barely connect with the VPNs, only to see people on social media falling for the regime propaganda.
到目前为止，停电期间对我来说最困难的时刻就是这样的时候，我几乎无法连接VPN，只能看到社交媒体上的人们被政权的宣传所迷惑。
And I'm not talking about Iranians.
我不是在谈论伊朗人。
These are people living in free countries, and that is incredibly depressing to see.
这些人生活在自由国家，看到这一点真是令人沮丧。
I've seen charlatans actually denying the January massacre, in which dozens of thousands of people were killed, and whitewashing the Islamic Republic all the way through, just because they disagree with this war, or Trump, or the US foreign policy as a whole, outright denying the January massacre and saying there is no evidence for that, the massacre which I saw happen and the evidence I collected.
我见过江湖骗子实际上否认一月份的大屠杀，这场大屠杀导致数十万人被杀，并自始至终粉饰伊斯兰共和国，只是因为他们不同意这场战争，或者特朗普，或者整个美国的外交政策，他们彻底否认一月份的大屠杀，并说没有证据证明这一点，我看到发生的大屠杀和我收集的证据。
There is no excuse in that.
这没有任何借口。
They have zero right to do that.
他们这样做的权利为零。
And for the first time ever, I truly understand why, for example, Holocaust denial is and should always be a crime, as you can't imagine the pain of seeing such privileged people denying your suffering.
有史以来第一次，我真正理解为什么否认大屠杀是而且应该永远是一种犯罪，因为你无法想象看到如此特权的人否认你的痛苦的痛苦。
Coming up, more from inside Iran, including that day President Trump said "a whole civilization will die tonight." What was that like?
接下来，更多来自伊朗内部的消息，包括特朗普总统那天说的“整个文明今晚将消亡”。那是什么样子的？
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
Today's show, we hear from people inside Iran, people who are living through a war and an internet blackout that the UN Human Rights Office has said is, quote, "one of the longest and most severe shutdowns ever recorded globally." We're hearing what that's like from Iranians who managed to get voice memos out of the country, in spite of it being difficult and dangerous to send them.
在今天的节目中，我们听到了伊朗境内人民的声音，他们生活在战争和互联网封锁之中，联合国人权高专办称这是“全球有记录以来最长、最严重的封锁之一”。我们从伊朗人那里听到了这种情况，尽管发送语音备忘录既困难又危险，但他们还是设法将语音备忘录带出国。
Act Three, Neighbors, Friends, and Lovers.
第三幕，邻居、朋友和爱人。
Iran's a big country.
伊朗是一个大国。
It had deep divisions before the war.
战前它就存在深刻的分歧。
There were massive protests against the Islamic Republic and a brutal crackdown just over a month before America and Israel attacked.
就在美国和以色列发动袭击的一个多月前，发生了针对伊斯兰共和国的大规模抗议活动和残酷镇压。
And in the messages we got, responses to the war were all over the map.
在我们收到的信息中，对战争的反应五花八门。
All the people are happy.
众人皆大欢喜。
I'm telling you.
我告诉你。
Say thanks, President Trump.
说声谢谢，特朗普总统。
Thanks, Netanyahu.
谢谢，内塔尼亚胡。
And they pray to God that Bibi and Daddy-- [LAUGHS] I mean Donald Trump-- they can-- they may help.
他们向上帝祈祷比比和爸爸——[笑]我的意思是唐纳德·特朗普——他们可以——他们可以提供帮助。
Because many people, as a joke, and they say Daddy to him.
因为很多人都开玩笑地对他说爸爸。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Vahid owns a small business.
瓦希德拥有一家小企业。
He's in his mid-40s, lives on the outskirts of a big city in northern Iran.
他四十多岁，住在伊朗北部一座大城市的郊区。
He despises the Islamic regime, wants a secular democracy in Iran.
他鄙视伊斯兰政权，希望伊朗实现世俗民主。
The protests and massacres in January convinced Vahid that change will never happen without outside help.
一月份的抗议和屠杀让瓦希德相信，如果没有外部帮助，变革永远不会发生。
Everyone is preparing themselves for the moment that President Trump and Bibi declare that the situation is such that people can come out.
每个人都在为特朗普总统和比比宣布情况已经到了人们可以出来的那一刻做好准备。
They will flood to regime to take them over.
他们将涌向政权来接管他们。
And they all expect to have a new life after this regime.
他们都希望在这个政权结束后能有新的生活。
The internet is not stable.
互联网不稳定。
The moment you send me a message until now, it took four hours and 36 minutes arrived to me.
从你给我发消息到现在为止，我花了四个小时零三十六分钟才到达。
The speed is very slow.
速度很慢。
And you should know the Islamic Republic and their fear-- and this is not just my opinion.
你应该了解伊斯兰共和国和他们的恐惧——这不仅仅是我的观点。
Everybody thinks the same thing-- is not that internet would be used against them in war.
每个人都有同样的想法——互联网不会在战争中被用来对付他们。
They are afraid that internet will become a tool to help protesters to get together and create an internal revolution.
他们担心互联网会成为帮助抗议者聚集起来并发动内部革命的工具。
And that's what they are afraid of.
这就是他们所害怕的。
That's why they shut down the internet.
这就是他们关闭互联网的原因。
I don't remember exactly if I told you that I have a family member, he has a bad autoimmune disorder.
我不记得我是否告诉过你我有一个家庭成员，他患有严重的自身免疫性疾病。
He was worried.
他很担心。
We were watching Iran International by satellite.
我们正在通过卫星观看伊朗国际比赛。
And he told me, what will come up if President Trump is going to do shutdown of electricity and all of the infrastructures?
他告诉我，如果特朗普总统要关闭电力和所有基础设施，会发生什么？
What would happen to the country?
国家会发生什么？
And he was worried.
他很担心。
He was worried about all the people like him that they have bad health issues and they need full care.
他担心所有像他一样的人，他们有不好的健康问题，需要全面的照顾。
I said to him, our situation is like that.
我对他说，我们的情况就是这样。
We want to have freedom and going far away from this government, this IRGC.
我们想要自由并远离这个政府、这个伊斯兰革命卫队。
And it would be needed to pay by something.
而且需要付出某种代价。
This is the cost of freedom.
这就是自由的代价。
And that's a shame.
这真是太遗憾了。
But I have a good feeling that this is the last second of this government.
但我有一种良好的预感，这是本届政府的最后一秒。
Well, the conversations vary, but everyone talks to each other with a certain caution, meaning, in a way, they size each other up so they don't get challenged.
嗯，谈话内容各有不同，但每个人都带着一定的谨慎互相交谈，这意味着，在某种程度上，他们互相打量，这样他们就不会受到挑战。
Omid works at a film studio in Tehran.
奥米德在德黑兰的一家电影制片厂工作。
He makes all sorts of content.
他制作了各种各样的内容。
He worked on a candid camera show recently.
他最近参加了一场偷拍镜头秀。
Some of the work his team has done is for state TV.
他的团队所做的一些工作是为国家电视台做的。
He's sympathetic to the regime, including the blackouts policy.
他同情这个政权，包括停电政策。
The Iranian foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, said the internet is shut off in Iran for security reasons while the country is under attack.
伊朗外交部长阿巴斯·阿拉格奇表示，由于安全原因，伊朗的互联网在该国受到攻击时被关闭。
That idea makes sense to Omid.
这个想法对奥米德来说很有意义。
At work, Omid is a manager.
在工作中，奥米德是一名经理。
Out of the 24 or 25 people who work under me, one or two of them are very left leaning and opposed.
在我手下工作的二十四、二十五个人中，有一两个人是非常左倾和反对的。
For example, regarding the news of the martyrdom or death of Khamenei, who was ultimately the leader of the country-- look, I had my criticisms of his performance.
例如，关于哈梅内伊的殉难或死亡的消息，他是该国的最终领导人——看，我对他的表现有批评。
But regardless, it's a war.
但无论如何，这都是一场战争。
And when you lose your leader in a war, ultimately, you're shocked, sad, and confused.
当你在战争中失去领袖时，最终你会感到震惊、悲伤和困惑。
But one of the guys was happy.
但其中一个人很高兴。
And it was like, if he wasn't embarrassed in front of me, he would have handed out sweets.
就好像，如果他不在我面前感到尴尬，他就会分发糖果。
I see the IRGC, the army, the police force, which are operating under a more or less unified command and are serving the country.
我看到伊斯兰革命卫队、军队、警察部队，他们在或多或少统一的指挥下运作，为国家服务。
They stood, fought, were killed, were martyred, were assassinated.
他们挺身而出、战斗、被杀、殉难、被暗杀。
They could have just left, but thank god they stayed.
他们本可以离开，但谢天谢地，他们留下来了。
The Americans should be satisfied with Venezuela and their own oil in-- I don't know-- Saudi Arabia.
美国人应该对委内瑞拉和他们自己的石油——我不知道——沙特阿拉伯感到满意。
They should stop their wickedness.
他们应该停止他们的邪恶行为。
Regarding the internet blackout, I was forced to use a VPN.
由于网络中断，我被迫使用VPN。
But the point is that we're in a war, and I think being connected could have perhaps caused more damage.
但关键是我们正处于一场战争中，我认为保持联系可能会造成更多损害。
Thankfully, we didn't have any unrest or clashes, I mean, at least not that I'm aware of.
值得庆幸的是，我们没有发生任何骚乱或冲突，我的意思是，至少据我所知没有。
Or, I don't know, those common cyber attacks hitting those different networks, like banking network, the network of-- I don't know-- digital currency exchanges.
或者，我不知道，那些针对不同网络的常见网络攻击，例如银行网络、数字货币交易网络（我不知道）。
Most of the people around me have come to terms with the fact that right now, the conditions are wartime.
我周围的大多数人都已经接受了这样一个事实：现在的情况是战时的。
And it's necessary, for example, to have certain limitations and control.
例如，有必要进行一定的限制和控制。
At night in Tehran and throughout a lot of the country, regime supporters have been gathering in squares to chant in support of the Islamic Republic and wave flags.
夜间，在德黑兰和全国各地，政权支持者聚集在广场上，高呼支持伊斯兰共和国的口号，并挥舞旗帜。
Near our office, there's a street running north to south that's uphill.
我们办公室附近有一条南北走向的上坡街道。
I mean, it's quite uphill.
我的意思是，这是相当艰难的。
I see a lady whose husband is in a wheelchair.
我看到一位女士，她的丈夫坐在轮椅上。
And she's around 45, maybe 50 years old.
她大约45岁，也许50岁。
And this lady and her husband come this way every night.
这位女士和她的丈夫每天晚上都来这里。
They go to the Second Square of Tehranpars and chant.
他们前往德黑兰帕尔斯第二广场并高呼口号。
And I sometimes come to the window to smoke a cigarette and I've seen them.
有时我会到窗前抽烟，我会看到他们。
They go by at 8:30 or a quarter to 9:00.
他们在 8:30 或 9:00 一刻钟过去。
And then they return around, like, 10:30, 11:00.
然后他们会在 10:30、11:00 左右返回。
And this poor woman sometimes has a hard time on the way back alone because the man is a bit heavy.
而这个可怜的女人有时独自回来的路上会很艰难，因为男人有点重。
And sometimes I've seen people go up an alley to help them get home.
有时我看到人们走上小巷帮助他们回家。
The fact that a group of people are so patriotic and so dedicated that every night-- every night, whether it's raining, it's cold, it's hot-- they get up and come to the city squares and participate in gatherings, chant, and so on, it's really heartwarming, and it's very fascinating.
一群人如此爱国、如此奉献，每天晚上，无论下雨、冷、热，他们都起床来到城市广场参加聚会、喊口号等等，真是令人暖心、令人着迷。
I really wish you were here to see it up close.
我真希望你能在这里近距离观察它。
There have been, every night, protests from the government supporters for almost one month.
近一个月以来，政府支持者每晚都会举行抗议活动。
Whenever I'm out at almost 9:00 PM, I see them.
每当我晚上 9:00 出门时，我都会看到他们。
Oh my goodness, not again.
哦，我的天啊，不会再有这样的事了。
Mahrou is in her 30s, lives outside Tehran.
Mahrou 30 多岁，住在德黑兰郊外。
She works as an English tutor online.
她在网上担任英语辅导老师。
But there's not a lot of that work these days, so she's been taking on extra hours at her dad's pharmacy.
但现在工作量并不多，所以她在父亲的药房加班。
She's there 'til nighttime.
她在那里直到晚上。
She sees the rallies on her way home.
她在回家的路上看到了集会。
The men chant repeated slogans in favor of the regime.
这些人反复高喊支持该政权的口号。
They declare that they're ready to be martyrs of Islam and the Islamic Republic.
他们宣称他们已准备好成为伊斯兰教和伊斯兰共和国的烈士。
Once I even saw a few of them wearing shrouds to prove they're ready to die for their cause.
有一次我什至看到他们中的一些人戴着裹尸布，以证明他们已经准备好为自己的事业而死。
When I go to bed, I think about Reza.
当我上床睡觉时，我会想起雷扎。
I immediately burst into tears.
我顿时泪流满面。
Reza is the guy I've been in love with lately who turned out to be a religious fanatic.
雷扎是我最近爱上的一个人，后来证明他是一个宗教狂热分子。
I knew he wasn't my match, but I couldn't help but to love him.
我知道他不是我的对手，但我还是忍不住爱他。
Reza and I met at my dad's pharmacy.
雷扎和我是在我父亲的药房见面的。
He's a pharmacist.
他是一名药剂师。
We used to work different shifts.
我们过去常常轮班工作。
All I knew about him at first was through my brother, my brother's high opinion of him.
我一开始对他的了解都是通过我哥哥，我哥哥对他评价很高。
I remember a winter evening that I went to the pharmacy to give my brother something.
我记得一个冬天的晚上，我去药房给弟弟买东西。
Being in my 30s, I'm mature enough not to believe in love at first sight.
30多岁了，我已经成熟到不相信一见钟情了。
But at the very first moment I saw him, he captured my attention.
但当我看到他的第一眼，他就吸引了我的注意。
Gradually, I tried to change my work shift for two days of the week in order to meet him more.
渐渐地，我尝试将一周的工作时间改为两天，以便更多地见到他。
He was always well groomed and obviously picky in the way he dressed.
他总是打扮得漂漂亮亮，而且对着装显然也很挑剔。
He looked so mild-mannered, kind, always ready to help the people around him.
他看起来非常温和、善良，总是乐于帮助周围的人。
We started texting each other.
我们开始互相发短信。
At first, it was only about work, but we gradually switched to other personal issues.
起初只是为了工作，后来逐渐转向其他个人问题。
At first, he was so cautious because he was our employee.
起初，他非常谨慎，因为他是我们的员工。
But little by little, he stepped forward.
但他却一点一点地向前迈了一步。
To be honest with you, I already knew that he was a religious guy, at least, more than me.
老实说，我已经知道他是一个虔诚的人，至少比我更清楚。
But I didn't expect him to be a religious fanatic with rigid opinions about Islam and the regime.
但没想到他是一个宗教狂热分子，对伊斯兰教和政权有着刻板的看法。
The first time that I was shocked at his perspectives was during the 12-Day War with Israel, around nine months ago.
我第一次对他的观点感到震惊是在大约九个月前的与以色列的 12 天战争期间。
He believed that Iran should not reach an agreement or stop the war because doing so will make us lose our dignity.
他认为伊朗不应该达成协议或停止战争，因为这样做会让我们失去尊严。
I was like, what are you talking about?
我当时想，你在说什么？
Iranian people are being killed.
伊朗人民正在被杀害。
To me, dignity was an abstract concept.
对我来说，尊严是一个抽象的概念。
People's lives was something that mattered to me.
人们的生命对我来说很重要。
Since then, I chose not to talk about politics with him.
从那时起，我选择不和他谈论政治。
Honestly, I knew that trying to be dismissive of politics and religion was not the solution, but unfortunately, I was deeply involved with him.
老实说，我知道试图对政治和宗教不屑一顾并不是解决问题的办法，但不幸的是，我与他的关系很深。
Few days before the war, he left our pharmacy because he was about to establish his own.
战争前几天，他离开了我们的药房，因为他即将开办自己的药房。
Since then, we've met a couple times.
从那以后，我们见过几次面。
The last time we met, almost 20 days ago, he mentioned that he agreed with the idea of digital blackout for now, because in this way, the government can be in control of the enemy's propaganda against the Islamic Republic.
上次我们见面时，大约是20天前，他提到他暂时同意数字封锁的想法，因为这样，政府就可以控制敌人针对伊斯兰共和国的宣传。
I was like, how dare you say so?
我当时想，你怎么敢这么说？
People are losing their jobs because of this blackout, and you're talking about your idea of propaganda?
人们因为这次停电而失业，而你在谈论你的宣传想法吗？
I think this war made me far more realistic about Reza and my love for him.
我认为这场战争让我对礼萨以及我对他的爱更加现实。
This war was an accelerator.
这场战争是一个加速器。
It made our relationship go downhill faster.
这让我们的关系加速下滑。
Act Four, Now What?
第四幕，现在怎么办？
Every time I hear President Trump declare what Iranians want, or what they should do, or what he thinks should come next, and every time he tosses off a threat, I want to know, what is it like for Iranians to hear that?
每当我听到特朗普总统宣布伊朗人想要什么，或者他们应该做什么，或者他认为接下来应该做什么，每次他发出威胁时，我想知道，伊朗人听到这些有什么感觉？
Are they hearing that?
他们听到了吗？
Another thing the blackout has erased or stifled.
停电已经抹去了或扼杀了另一件事。
For instance, what was it like for Iranians on the day that happened only a few weeks ago, when President Trump posted on Truth Social about Iran, quote, "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.
例如，就在几周前发生的那一天，当特朗普总统在《Truth Social》上发表有关伊朗的言论时，伊朗人的感受如何，引用道：“整个文明今晚将消亡，永远不会再被带回来。
I don't want that to happen, but it probably will."
我不希望这种情况发生，但很可能会发生。”
We got several voice memos about that day.
我们收到了几份关于那天的语音备忘录。
I'm going to play one from the doctor, Anushirvan, who treated patients during the January massacre, then Sarah in Tehran, the woman who'd been blow-drying her hair in case US strikes knocked out Iranian power plants.
我将扮演一名医生阿努希尔万（Anushirvan），他在一月份的大屠杀期间救治了病人，然后是德黑兰的莎拉（Sarah），她正在吹干头发，以防美国的袭击摧毁伊朗发电厂。
Trump had set a deadline for Iran that day to open the Strait of Hormuz.
特朗普当天为伊朗设定了开放霍尔木兹海峡的最后期限。
The deadline was evening in the US, 3:30 in the morning in Iran.
美国的截止日期是晚上，伊朗的截止日期是凌晨 3:30。
Part of me didn't really want to take Trump seriously, but he is the president of the most powerful country in the world, so there is that.
我内心的一部分并不想认真对待特朗普，但他是世界上最强大国家的总统，所以就是这样。
In Iran's time, it would be around 3 and 1/2 AM, if I'm not mistaken.
如果我没记错的话，在伊朗时代，应该是凌晨 3 点 1/2 左右。
I had charged my phone, my laptop, my portable power bank, not that they were going to last too long anyway, and had my essentials ready to go in case of emergency or if I decided to move back to my hometown, since being so high up in my current apartment, no electricity would also mean no water pump, not to mention no elevator.
我已经给我的手机、笔记本电脑、便携式充电宝充电了，反正它们不会持续太长时间，并且准备好了我的必需品，以备不时之需，或者如果我决定搬回家乡，因为在我现在的公寓这么高，没有电也意味着没有水泵，更不用说没有电梯了。
I took a shower.
我洗了个澡。
And I think it was around 2:00 AM when I decided to leave it up to fate and sleep and wake up to either the unthinkable or to a war-torn country.
我想大概是在凌晨 2:00 左右，我决定听天由命，睡一觉，醒来时要么面对难以想象的景象，要么面对一个饱受战争蹂躏的国家。
And, yes, by unthinkable, I mean the ceasefire, as I had no idea what it would look like.
是的，我所说的不可想象是指停火，因为我不知道它会是什么样子。
I woke up automatically around 5:00 AM, grabbed my phone, and saw my dad's text notification that there was a ceasefire.
凌晨 5:00 左右，我自动醒来，抓起手机，看到爸爸发来停火短信通知。
I stared into the message a good couple minutes, stone faced, before going back to sleep.
我面无表情地盯着这条信息看了好几分钟，然后才回去睡觉。
To make all the damages caused by the war worth it, we would have to have a regime change.
为了使战争造成的所有损失都值得，我们必须进行政权更迭。
But now it looks like we just got the shorter stick on both ends.
但现在看起来我们只是在两端都得到了较短的棍子。
It brought nothing but more death and misery, not to mention it further entrenched the regime.
它只会带来更多的死亡和痛苦，更不用说它进一步巩固了政权。
This was one of the dumbest wars in history, to be honest.
老实说，这是历史上最愚蠢的战争之一。
Last night, I was awake until maybe 12:30 or so.
昨晚，我大概12点30分左右才醒。
And there's a hallway in our house that has no windows around it, no glass.
我们家有一条走廊，周围没有窗户，也没有玻璃。
So that's where we sleep at night when they bomb.
所以这就是我们晚上轰炸时睡觉的地方。
We go there to take shelter.
我们去那里避难。
And I was trying to sleep, but I was constantly checking the internet to see what was happening, where they were saying what.
我想睡觉，但我不断地上网查看发生了什么，他们在说什么。
And I just had a feeling that there was going to be a ceasefire.
我只是有一种感觉，即将停火。
So I couldn't sleep.
所以我睡不着。
But I finally did fall asleep.
但我终于睡着了。
And then the next morning, my partner told me that there had been a ceasefire.
第二天早上，我的搭档告诉我已经停火了。
And to be honest, my feeling when I read that news was just very, very, very full of rage, especially the things that I read.
说实话，当我读到那则新闻时，我的感觉非常非常非常愤怒，尤其是我读到的那些内容。
And I mean, I honestly don't know how much of it is propaganda and how much of it is reality.
我的意思是，老实说，我不知道其中有多少是宣传，有多少是现实。
But the things I read, that Iran is even earning money from The Strait of Hormuz during the ceasefire.
但我读到的消息是，伊朗甚至在停火期间从霍尔木兹海峡赚钱。
Because we, the people of Iran, know that that money earned from there is not going to be spent on us.
因为我们伊朗人民知道从那里赚来的钱不会花在我们身上。
So we're just thinking that, well, we're just going to have a richer IRGC, and they're going to commit crimes even more easily.
所以我们只是想，好吧，我们的伊斯兰革命卫队将会更加富有，他们会更容易犯罪。
And I'm really, really afraid for the kids who are in prison, the kids who received death sentences, because I know they're going to be persecuted terribly.
我真的非常担心那些在监狱里的孩子，那些被判处死刑的孩子，因为我知道他们会受到可怕的迫害。
Executions are going to increase.
处决人数将会增加。
I think we're going to have even more severe crackdowns.
我认为我们将进行更严厉的镇压。
Probably any kind of social movement of any form, which I honestly find unlikely after the January massacres, but they'll face an even greater massacre.
可能是任何形式的社会运动，老实说，在一月份的大屠杀之后我发现这不太可能发生，但他们将面临更大的屠杀。
I feel like we're the main losers of this war, the people of Iran.
我觉得我们是这场战争的主要输家，伊朗人民。
Because practically nothing has changed.
因为实际上什么都没有改变。
One voice memo was short and to the point, from Khabat, a carpenter.
一份语音备忘录简短而切中要点，来自木匠哈巴特。
He's Kurdish, an ethnic minority in Iran, living in the western part of the country.
他是库尔德人，是伊朗的一个少数民族，居住在该国西部地区。
People are really frustrated with Trump.
人们对特朗普真的很失望。
Wasn't he supposed to keep the pressure on until the regime surrendered?
难道他不应该继续施加压力直到政权投降吗？
Why is he going to negotiate now?
他为什么现在要谈判？
He was supposed to finish them off, not talk to them.
他应该解决掉他们，而不是和他们说话。
One last person-- Arta.
最后一个人——阿尔塔。
He runs a tech company in Isfahan.
他在伊斯法罕经营一家科技公司。
Arta's voice memos came in last.
阿尔塔的语音备忘录排在最后。
I listened after hearing all of the others.
听完其他人的发言后我才听。
And it helped me understand something I hadn't before about where things might be headed in Iran.
它帮助我了解了一些我以前不知道的事情，即伊朗的事态可能会走向何方。
Arta was deeply unsettled by people around him who were furious that President Trump did not follow through on his threats, especially a promise Trump made on social media to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age.
阿尔塔周围的人深感不安，他们对特朗普总统没有兑现他的威胁感到愤怒，尤其是特朗普在社交媒体上做出的将伊朗炸回石器时代的承诺。
You might not believe it, but the morning the ceasefire was announced, I actually called a friend.
你可能不相信，但宣布停火的那天早上，我实际上给一个朋友打电话。
And he picked up the phone, saying, what is this?
他拿起电话，问道，这是什么？
What a mess.
真是一团糟。
Why did they just let it go?
为什么他们就放手了？
I mean, believe it or not, there is a segment of society who, in my opinion, probably lack a realistic view of what returning to the Stone Age actually entails, because maybe they don't really know what it's like to live without electricity in a fifth or sixth or 10th floor apartment.
我的意思是，不管你信不信，在我看来，社会上有一部分人可能对回到石器时代实际上意味着什么缺乏现实的看法，因为也许他们并不真正知道在五楼、六楼或十楼的公寓里没有电的生活是什么样子。
But whether it is out of intense rage or just pure, sheer ignorance, many people prefer that we go back to the Stone Age and have our energy infrastructure be completely wiped out, as long as the Islamic regime went down with it.
但无论是出于强烈的愤怒还是纯粹的无知，许多人都希望我们回到石器时代，让我们的能源基础设施被彻底摧毁，只要伊斯兰政权也随之垮台。
So there's one group completely upset and furious, but then there's the complete opposite, the diehard loyalists ready to sacrifice their lives for the Islamic Republic.
因此，有一群人完全感到沮丧和愤怒，但也有一群人完全相反，他们是顽固的忠诚者，准备为伊斯兰共和国牺牲自己的生命。
The situation is truly, it's extremely terrifying.
情况确实如此，极其可怕。
And for me, who's slightly in the middle-- I completely oppose the Islamic regime.
而对于我来说，稍微处于中间的人——我完全反对伊斯兰政权。
But my red lines are the destruction of my country's infrastructure and the loss of my loved ones.
但我的红线是我国基础设施遭到破坏和我所爱的人丧生。
And aside from that, if I'm being real, I'd give my own life to see the Islamic regime gone.
除此之外，如果我是真实的，我愿意献出自己的生命来见证伊斯兰政权的消失。
But I do hold these two red lines.
但我确实坚守着这两条红线。
There's another red line Arta has held for a while now.
阿尔塔已经坚守了另一条红线一段时间了。
He tells this story.
他讲述了这个故事。
And this is where I felt like, oh, that is a clue, not just about the blackout and what's happening now, but something the Iranian regime seems to have been building up for years now.
这就是我的感觉，哦，这是一条线索，不仅仅是关于停电和现在正在发生的事情，而且是伊朗政权多年来似乎一直在建立的东西。
Before the war, over a year ago, Arta was offered something he calls a white line.
战前，也就是一年多前，阿尔塔得到了他所谓的“白线”。
It's also called a white SIM card.
它也称为白色 SIM 卡。
White SIM cards are a way for Iranian officials and political leaders and regime-aligned journalists to bypass internet restrictions and access much more of the global internet than the general population ever has access to.
白色 SIM 卡是伊朗官员、政治领导人和与政权结盟的记者绕过互联网限制并访问比普通民众更多的全球互联网的一种方式。
So even when there's an internet blackout or delays, if you have a white SIM card, you can get online.
因此，即使出现互联网中断或延迟，如果您有白色 SIM 卡，也可以上网。
Arta had a contact who said they could get him a white card, a white line.
阿尔塔的一位联系人说他们可以给他一张白卡，一条白线。
But back then, Arta refused.
但当时，阿尔塔拒绝了。
Many of my friends and former colleagues around me had white lines, and I knew it.
我周围的许多朋友和前同事都有白线，我知道这一点。
But I resisted.
但我拒绝了。
I felt this is an undeniable right that all Iranian people should have, and I didn't want to use this special privilege.
我觉得这是所有伊朗人民都应该拥有的不可否认的权利，我不想使用这种特权。
I wanted to stand alongside everyone else, living with the same hardships and struggles and VPNs and staying on this side, the side of the ordinary people.
我想和其他人站在一起，一起生活在同样的艰辛、挣扎和VPN中，站在普通人这一边。
You know what it's like?
你知道那是什么样子吗？
It's like using a special privilege just to have the right to eat food while the rest of your society-- your friends, your family, your siblings-- can't afford to eat meat.
这就像利用一种特殊的特权来获得吃食物的权利，而你的社会其他人——你的朋友、你的家人、你的兄弟姐妹——却买不起肉。
But because of your privilege, you do.
但因为你的特权，你就这么做了。
Does that make sense?
这有道理吗？
If I'm being real, I condemned a lot of my friends who used that kind of privilege.
如果我说实话，我谴责了很多使用这种特权的朋友。
I would actually-- half jokingly, I would tell them, oh, shut up, bro, you have a white line.
实际上，我会半开玩笑地告诉他们，哦，闭嘴，兄弟，你有一条白线。
We would actually talk amongst ourselves, saying, did you see that guy had a white line too, that guy who pretended to be so aligned with the people?
我们实际上会互相交谈，说，你是否看到那个人也有一条白线，那个假装与人民如此一致的人？
And I was one of the proud ones.
我是其中的骄傲之一。
Many of my friends told me, we thought you definitely had one, but you didn't.
我的很多朋友告诉我，我们以为你肯定有，但你没有。
I held my head high.
我昂起头。
Then this war and this blackout, the longest ever.
然后是这场战争和有史以来最长的停电。
And Arta got a new offer, a new service approved by the state called Internet Pro.
Arta 得到了一个新的优惠，一项获得国家批准的新服务，名为 Internet Pro。
This would be like a white line or a white SIM card, but it would cost money, and it would give Arta a way to access the global internet.
这就像一条白线或一张白色 SIM 卡，但它需要花钱，而且它将为 Arta 提供访问全球互联网的方式。
Arta is supporting his extended family.
阿尔塔正在养活他的大家庭。
He had staff depending on him.
他有依靠他的员工。
They're an IT company.
他们是一家IT公司。
They couldn't work without the internet.
没有互联网他们就无法工作。
So he did it.
所以他做到了。
He signed up.
他报名了。
This was a guy who, before the war, would not even use the domestic messaging apps in the state-run intranet.
这个人在战前甚至不会使用国营内联网中的国内消息应用程序。
He did not want to be surveilled.
他不想被监视。
Now, to get Internet Pro, Arta was required to provide his national ID number, phone number, and the names and details of everyone he works with who would be using the internet.
现在，要获得 Internet Pro，Arta 需要提供他的国民身份证号码、电话号码以及与他一起工作、使用互联网的每个人的姓名和详细信息。
He handed all of that in.
他把所有的东西都交了上去。
Do I feel secure?
我有安全感吗？
No, not at all.
不，一点也不。
Listen, I firmly believe their monitoring over me has increased significantly.
听着，我坚信他们对我的监视明显增加了。
I have absolutely no sense of security.
我完全没有安全感。
Surveillance and submission are the price of access.
监视和提交是访问的代价。
The blackout wasn't lifted when the ceasefire was declared, and it hasn't been lifted since.
宣布停火时停电并未解除，此后也没有解除。
It now seems more and more possible that Iran will not return the internet back to the way it was before the war, ever.
现在看来，伊朗越来越有可能永远不会将互联网恢复到战前的状态。
And instead, there's a new plan-- tiered internet access, internet as a privilege granted by the state for people who support the state, or are at least willing and able to pay a state-sanctioned company for access.
相反，有一个新的计划——分级互联网接入，互联网作为国家授予支持国家的人的特权，或者至少愿意并且能够向国家认可的公司支付访问费用的人。
It turns the internet from a public place where anyone can show up and speak, listen, argue, spread conspiracy theories, find the best tweezers, to an internet that is more like an airport lounge, a silver elite, gold-plated, platinum loyalty program.
它将互联网从一个任何人都可以出现、发言、倾听、争论、传播阴谋论、找到最好的镊子的公共场所，变成了一个更像机场休息室、白银精英、镀金、白金忠诚度计划的互联网。
This is more and more common around the world, governments limiting internet access and sometimes going to full blackout.
这种情况在世界各地越来越普遍，政府限制互联网访问，有时甚至会全面停电。
The whole thing has a real "coming to a country near you" vibe.
整个事情有一种真正的“来到你附近的国家”的氛围。
When I first listened to these voice memos from Iran, they felt to me like a rare document of a rare time, people living their lives in this temporary moment through a war and a blackout.
当我第一次听到这些来自伊朗的语音备忘录时，我觉得它们就像是一个罕见时代的罕见文件，人们在战争和停电的短暂时刻过着自己的生活。
But I think of the voice memos differently now.
但我现在对语音备忘录的看法有所不同。
I think it's possible they're documenting a massive, frightening change.
我认为他们可能正在记录一个巨大的、可怕的变化。
Our program was produced today by Diane Wu and edited by Nancy Updike.
我们今天的节目由 Diane Wu 制作，Nancy Updike 编辑。
Roxana Saberi and Fatemeh Jamalpour collected the voice memos for us.
Roxana Saberi 和 Fatemeh Jamalpour 为我们收集了语音备忘录。
They're both journalists and authors.
他们既是记者又是作家。
Fatemeh's book-- For the Sun After Long Nights.
法特梅的书——《为了长夜之后的太阳》。
You can find a link to Roxana and Fatemeh's excellent reporting on what happened in January in Iran at our website.
您可以在我们的网站上找到 Roxana 和 Fatemeh 对伊朗 1 月份发生的事件的精彩报道的链接。
The people who put together today's show include Phia Bennin, Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Aviva DeKornfeld, Emmanuel Dzotsi, Cassie Howley, Valerie Kipnis, Adriene Lilly, Seth Lind, Tobin Low, Stowe Nelson, Molly Marcello, Katherine Rae Mondo, Nadia Reiman, Ryan Rumery, Alissa Shipp, Ike Sriskandarajah, Lilly Sullivan, and Christopher Swetala.
今天节目的制作人包括 Phia Bennin、Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Aviva DeKornfeld、Emmanuel Dzotsi、Cassie Howley、Valerie Kipnis、Adriene Lilly、Seth Lind、Tobin Low、Stowe Nelson、Molly Marcello、Katherine Rae Mondo、Nadia Reiman、Ryan Rumery、Alissa Shipp、Ike Sriskandarajah、Lilly沙利文和克里斯托弗·斯韦塔拉。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman, senior editor David Kestenbaum, and our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的总编辑是 Sarah Abdurrahman，高级编辑 David Kestenbaum，我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
The actors who performed the voice memos for us-- Bahar Beihaghi, Tara Grammy, Jerry Habibi, Darius Homayoun, Ava Lalezarzadeh, Abraham Makany, Arian Moayed, Navid Negahban, Babak Tafti, Pej Vahdat, Sheila Vand, and Selina Zahednia.
为我们表演语音备忘录的演员有：Bahar Beihaghi、Tara Grammy、Jerry Habibi、Darius Homayoun、Ava Lalezarzadeh、Abraham Makany、Arian Moayed、Navid Negahban、Babak Tafti、Pej Vahdat、Sheila Vand 和 Selina Zahednia。
Our wonderful casting director-- Sabrina Hyman.
我们出色的选角导演——萨布丽娜·海曼。
Special thanks today to everyone in Iran who sent us voice memos for this story.
今天特别感谢伊朗的每个人为我们的故事发送语音备忘录。
And also special thanks to Sardar Pashai, Kaveh Dastooreh, Hossein Hafezian, Durrie Bouscaren, Ahmad Ahmadian, and Mahsa Alimardani.
还要特别感谢 Sardar Pashai、Kaveh Dastooreh、Hossein Hafezian、Durrie Bouscaren、Ahmad Ahmadian 和 Mahsa Alimardani。
Shirin Jaafari, who you heard at the start of the show, is a reporter on the public radio show, The World.
您在节目开始时听到的 Shirin Jaafari 是公共广播节目《世界》的记者。
Our website-- thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站——thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Please consider supporting the show as a This American Life Partner.
请考虑作为“This American Life”合作伙伴支持该节目。
You will get regular exclusive bonus episodes.
您将定期获得独家奖励剧集。
You can listen ad free and more.
您可以免费收听广告等等。
Join at thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners.
加入 thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特。
We'll be back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。