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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass Back when federal immigration agents launched big operations in North Carolina-- this was back in the middle of November-- one of the things that local reporters did to get a sense of what ICE and Border Patrol were doing-- the scope of it, the kinds of things they were up to-- was that they requested 911 calls.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 早在 11 月中旬，联邦移民局在北卡罗来纳州开展大规模行动时，当地记者为了了解 ICE 和边境巡逻队正在做的事情（其范围、他们要做的事情）所做的事情之一就是要求拨打 911 电话。
Charlotte 911.
夏洛特 911。
Do you need police, fire, or medic?
您需要警察、消防员或医务人员吗？
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Dispatcher All right.
[说西班牙语] 调度员 好的。
Hold on, please.
请稍等。
When the city releases these to reporters, they altered the voices a little to protect people's identities.
当市政府向记者发布这些内容时，他们稍微改变了声音以保护人们的身份。
This woman's saying that all morning, these black vans have been showing up at her building, pretending to be exterminators so that people will open their doors.
这位女士说，整个早上，这些黑色货车一直出现在她的大楼前，假装是灭虫者，以便人们开门。
And she thinks they're ICE, and everybody's scared.
她认为他们是 ICE，每个人都很害怕。
There have been reports from around the country of immigration agents pretending to be contractors or utility workers or police to trick people and then nab them.
据报道，全国各地都有移民代理冒充承包商、公用事业工人或警察来欺骗人们，然后逮捕他们。
And the dispatcher does not know what to do with this.
调度员不知道该怎么办。
OK.
好的。
So what did you need police assistance with?
那么您需要警察协助什么？
Did you just want us to know that this is happening in your neighborhood, ma'am?
女士，您只是想让我们知道您家附近发生了这种事吗？
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass The woman says, no, she wants the police to come.
[西班牙语] Ira Glass 女人说，不，她希望警察来。
Because people are intimidated.
因为人们受到恐吓。
It's private property.
这是私人财产。
And how is it OK to say they're exterminators when they're not?
当他们不是消灭者时，怎么能说他们是消灭者呢？
The picture that you get from these 911 calls-- Ryan Oehrli and Julia Coin collected them for the Charlotte Observer.
您从这些 911 电话中获得的图片——瑞安·欧利 (Ryan Oehrli) 和朱莉娅·科因 (Julia Coin) 为《夏洛特观察家报》收集了这些图片。
Jim Daley did it at the Southside Weekly in Chicago.
吉姆·戴利 (Jim Daley) 在芝加哥的《南边周刊》上做了这件事。
We requested some ourselves.
我们自己要求了一些。
The picture that you get in these calls of immigration officers is different from the videos we've all been seeing online and in the news.
您在移民官员的电话中看到的图片与我们在网上和新闻中看到的视频不同。
The videos capture individual incidents, right?
这些视频捕捉到了个别事件，对吗？
Viral moments.
病毒时刻。
They're often combative or violent.
他们常常好斗或暴力。
These 911 calls have that sometimes.
911 电话有时也会出现这种情况。
But they're also something else.
但它们也是别的东西。
Together, they're like a portrait of a country where ICE officers and Border Patrol agents are spreading everywhere, all sorts of run of the mill locations, this new presence that everybody's bumping into.
它们在一起就像一幅国家的肖像，ICE 官员和边境巡逻人员遍布各个地方，各种普通地点，每个人都会遇到这种新的存在。
So many of the calls are people who are not targeted by ICE but just calling to say "they're here, getting in the way of daily life."
很多电话并不是 ICE 的目标，只是打电话说“他们在这里，妨碍了日常生活”。
Hello?
你好？
Dispatcher 1 Hello.
调度员 1 您好。
This is 911.
这是911。
Do you need police, fire, or medic?
您需要警察、消防员或医务人员吗？
Police, please.
警察，请。
Dispatcher 1 What address do you need police at?
调度员 1 您需要哪个地址的警察？
University City Emergency Department.
大学城急诊科。
We're in the ER.
我们在急诊室。
Yeah.
是的。
We have a bunch of self-declared ICE agents here who are interfering with patient care, and we need them removed.
我们这里有一群自称为 ICE 特工的人，他们正在干扰病人的护理，我们需要将他们除掉。
Six.
六。
Dispatcher 1 OK.
调度员 1 好的。
And are they in the ER right now?
他们现在在急诊室吗？
Yeah.
是的。
They're literally in the room with me.
他们确实和我在一个房间里。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
And do they have any weapons that you can see?
他们有你能看到的武器吗？
Yep.
是的。
If you guys just come to the ER, we can show you who they are.
如果你们刚来急诊室，我们可以向您展示他们是谁。
What is the address that you need the police?
您需要警察的地址是什么？
Holiday Inn Express Savoy Corporate Drive.
萨沃伊企业大道智选假日酒店。
Is this referencing a specific room number?
这是指特定的房间号吗？
No. We have a big bus parked out there.
不，我们有一辆大巴士停在那里。
They're not staying at the hotel.
他们不住在酒店。
I don't know who they are.
我不知道他们是谁。
I don't know if they're ICE agents or what they are.
我不知道他们是 ICE 特工还是什么。
But they're hovering around and making my guests uncomfortable, along with employees.
但它们在周围徘徊，让我的客人和员工感到不舒服。
So I want them off my property.
所以我希望它们离开我的财产。
It's my property.
这是我的财产。
And someone needs to inform them of that.
需要有人告诉他们这一点。
Yes, I understand.
是的，我明白。
Hotel Caller So they should not be inside of my hotel.
酒店来电者所以他们不应该在我的酒店内。
They should not be parked at my hotel without any sort of payment.
如果没有任何付款，它们不应该停在我的酒店。
It's my personal property.
这是我的个人财产。
I'm paying the property taxes for it, not them.
我为此缴纳财产税，而不是他们。
Chicago emergency, 911.
芝加哥紧急事件，911。
Woman Yes, hi.
女人 是的，嗨。
ICE just tear gassed the whole street by Rico Fresh on Armitage and Drake.
ICE 刚刚通过 Rico Fresh 在 Armitage 和 Drake 上对整条街施放了催泪瓦斯。
And I'm a US citizen, and I was just going to a grocery store.
我是美国公民，我正要去一家杂货店。
And they started tear gassing the whole street.
他们开始对整条街施放催泪瓦斯。
It's ridiculous.
这太荒谬了。
Like, are we in a freaking war?
就像，我们正处于一场可怕的战争中吗？
This is from Chicago, from when it was flooded with federal agents during Operation Midway Blitz, hundreds of immigration agents all around the city arresting thousands of people.
这是来自芝加哥，当时在中途岛闪电战行动中，联邦特工蜂拥而至，数百名移民特工遍布全市，逮捕了数千人。
What's the address again?
地址又是什么？
Woman It's by Rico Fresh on Armitage and Drake.
《Woman It》是 Rico Fresh 为 Armitage 和 Drake 创作的。
Armitage and Drake.
阿米蒂奇和德雷克。
Woman Why are they doing that?
女人 他们为什么要这么做？
Who gives them the right to do this?
谁给他们权利这样做？
All right.
好的。
Anybody need an ambulance, ma'am?
女士，有人需要救护车吗？
No, no one needs an ambulance.
不，没有人需要救护车。
But you need to be aware of the things.
但你需要了解这些事情。
They can't just do that.
他们不能只这样做。
When I was walking to the grocery store and they tear gasses everyone--
当我步行去杂货店时，他们向每个人发射催泪瓦斯——
ICE agents, you said?
你说的是 ICE 特工？
Woman Yes.
女人 是的。
It was ICE agents in unmarked cars, wearing the uniforms, unmarked, covering their faces.
这是 ICE 特工，坐在没有标记的汽车里，穿着没有标记的制服，遮住脸。
I just want you to be aware of the fact.
我只是想让你知道这个事实。
I don't know if you can arrest anyone.
我不知道你是否可以逮捕任何人。
All right.
好的。
And you say nobody needs an ambulance right now, though, right?
不过你说现在没人需要救护车，对吗？
I'm just going to walk home.
我要步行回家。
Ira Glass In that call, maybe you noticed the dispatcher struggling to figure out exactly what to do for this woman.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 在那通电话中，也许您注意到调度员正在努力弄清楚到底该如何为这位女士做些什么。
Does she need an ambulance?
她需要救护车吗？
She keeps asking.
她不断地问。
It's unclear in a bunch of these calls what 911 can do to help.
目前还不清楚 911 可以为这些电话提供什么帮助。
And in the calls, you hear both sides, the dispatchers and the callers, as they try to figure it out in real time in this entirely new situation they both find themselves in, where people are calling local police to do something about federal agents.
在电话中，你会听到双方，调度员和打电话的人，他们试图在他们都发现自己所处的全新情况下实时找出答案，人们正在打电话给当地警察，要求他们对联邦特工采取行动。
[PHONE RINGS] Dispatcher 4 Chicago emergency 911.
[电话铃声] 调度员 4 芝加哥紧急电话 911。
I need you guys to come here right now on Grace, Grace and Kildare.
我需要你们现在就到格蕾丝、格蕾丝和基尔代尔这里来。
There's US Border Patrol.
有美国边境巡逻队。
And they're throwing bombs, and they're fucking hitting US citizens.
他们扔炸弹，他们他妈的袭击美国公民。
They just knocked out a young lady with a bike.
他们刚刚用自行车撞倒了一位年轻女士。
What the fuck is going on?
到底是怎么回事？
Should I get the paramedics for her?
我应该为她找护理人员吗？
Do you think she needs paramedics?
你认为她需要护理人员吗？
They're taking her.
他们要带走她。
Why are they taking her?
他们为什么要带走她？
Yes, they need paramedics.
是的，他们需要护理人员。
Dispatcher 4 Hold on one moment.
调度员 4 请稍等一下。
Hold on.
坚持，稍等。
[RINGING] Ira Glass The dispatcher then transfers to the fire department to get a paramedic, though she stays on the line.
[铃声响起]艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 调度员随后转至消防部门寻找护理人员，但她仍保持通话状态。
(SUBJECT) FIRE DEPARTMENT DISPATCHER: Fire department.
（主题）消防部门调度员：消防部门。
How can I help you?
我怎么帮你？
I need the cops here now.
我现在需要警察来。
(SUBJECT) FIRE DEPARTMENT DISPATCHER: Is there someone hurt, sir?
（主题）消防局调度员：有人受伤吗，先生？
[INAUDIBLE] (SUBJECT) FIRE DEPARTMENT DISPATCHER: Is there someone injured?
[听不清]（主题）消防局调度员：有人受伤吗？
I think he hung up, Fire.
我想他挂断了电话，Fire。
He said that they were throwing bombs and--
他说他们正在投掷炸弹并且——
(SUBJECT) FIRE DEPARTMENT DISPATCHER: Bombs?
（主题）消防局调度员：炸弹？
Yeah.
是的。
(SUBJECT) FIRE DEPARTMENT DISPATCHER: [SIGHS] I'll try to call back.
（对象）消防局调度员：[叹气]我会尝试回电。
OK.
好的。
All right.
好的。
Bye.
再见。
Ira Glass I should say, for most of these calls, we can verify the basics of what happened through videos or local reporting or other sources.
Ira Glass 我应该说，对于大多数此类电话，我们可以通过视频或本地报告或其他来源核实所发生事件的基本情况。
Though there were a handful where all we have is the call, like this next one.
尽管有少数情况我们只有打电话，就像下一个一样。
A man called 911 with this stumper.
一名男子因这个问题拨打了 911。
He says masked men stopped him and asked him for his ID and violated his rights and damaged his phone.
他说，蒙面男子拦住了他，要求他出示身份证件，侵犯了他的权利，还损坏了他的手机。
His question for 911 is, next time, if they kidnap me, what do I do?
他向 911 提出的问题是，如果下次他们绑架我，我该怎么办？
And if I get kidnapped, what do I do?
如果我被绑架了，我该怎么办？
Who do I call?
我该给谁打电话？
OK.
好的。
Dispatcher 5 But you're not currently being kidnapped, correct?
调度员5：但是你现在并没有被绑架，对吧？
No, but I could.
不，但我可以。
Dispatcher 5 OK.
调度员 5 好的。
I hear you.
我听到了。
So basically, if it's just people with masks, then I can defend myself?
所以基本上，如果只是戴口罩的人，那么我可以保护自己吗？
Can I bring my gun and defend myself?
我可以带枪自卫吗？
That's a little hard to hear.
这有点难听。
He's saying, if it's people with masks, can I defend myself?
他说，如果是戴口罩的人，我能保护自己吗？
Can I bring my gun and defend myself?
我可以带枪自卫吗？
So I can't-- Man So what is the situation?
所以我不能-- 伙计，那么情况是怎样的呢？
I can't advise you on anything legal.
我不能给你任何合法的建议。
I'm not an officer or a lawyer.
我不是官员或律师。
But I can have officers reach out to you and talk more about this.
但我可以让官员联系你并更多地讨论这个问题。
Yes, please.
是的，请。
Do that.
这样做。
Ira Glass Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
Ira Glass 好吧，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
So here we all are, federal officers shooting American citizens, killing two in Minneapolis.
所以我们都在这里，联邦官员在明尼阿波利斯射杀美国公民，造成两人死亡。
What we hear in these 911 calls is people in real time doing what so many of us are doing, not quite believing what's happening right in front of them, not sure what to do or what can be done, and in this case, calling the place that you're supposed to call when there's an emergency, saying there is one, right here.
我们在这些 911 电话中听到的是，人们正在做我们很多人正在做的事情，不太相信眼前发生的事情，不确定该做什么或可以做什么，在这种情况下，在发生紧急情况时打电话给你应该打电话的地方，说有一个，就在这里。
Today on our program, we have more of these calls.
今天，在我们的节目中，我们接到了更多这样的电话。
You'll hear people with 911 on the line as ICE is chasing them, trying to puzzle out their next moves.
你会听到有人拨打 911，而 ICE 正在追赶他们，试图弄清楚他们的下一步行动。
And you'll hear a bunch of other people trying to outplay armed federal officers in this new version of America that we all find ourselves in.
你会听到一群其他人试图在我们都身处的这个新版本的美国中击败武装的联邦官员。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
Act One, What is the Nature of Your Emergency?
第一幕，您的紧急情况的性质是什么？
So before we jump back into more 911 calls, it seems worth saying a word about how we got to this point, that people around the country are calling local law enforcement about the presence of federal law enforcement.
因此，在我们再次拨打更多 911 电话之前，似乎有必要先谈谈我们是如何走到这一步的：全国各地的人们都在向当地执法部门打电话，询问联邦执法部门的存在。
OK.
好的。
So last year, the Trump administration, hoping to deliver on his campaign promise of mass deportations, it tripled ICE's budget, giving them more money than any federal law enforcement agency.
因此，去年，特朗普政府希望兑现其大规模驱逐出境的竞选承诺，将 ICE 的预算增加了两倍，给他们的资金比任何联邦执法机构都多。
And DHS rapidly hired lots of new enforcement officers-- 12,000, they claim-- more than doubling its workforce.
国土安全部迅速雇佣了许多新的执法人员——他们声称有 12,000 名——员工人数增加了一倍多。
The Trump administration cut the training time for these new agents in half to 47 days, a number chosen reportedly because Trump is the 47th president.
特朗普政府将这些新特工的训练时间减少了一半，至 47 天，据报道，选择这个数字是因为特朗普是第 47 任总统。
Now they say the training is 42 days.
现在他们说训练是42天。
To recruit these agents, DHS ads were all about protecting the homeland and repelling foreign invaders.
为了招募这些特工，国土安全部的广告都是关于保护祖国和击退外国入侵者。
They used a lot of white nationalist slogans and memes.
他们使用了很多白人民族主义口号和表情包。
Google that if you're curious.
如果你好奇的话谷歌一下。
It's shocking.
太令人震惊了。
And, you know, who knows how many people like that actually signed up?
而且，你知道，谁知道有多少这样的人真正注册了？
I'm bringing this up because all of that set a certain tone for the agency.
我之所以提出这个问题，是因为所有这些都为该机构定下了一定的基调。
This was the new fists out, aggro, coming-for-you branding of our immigration enforcement.
这是我们移民执法部门新的拳头、仇恨、来找你的品牌。
And the White House really, really wants them to deliver.
白宫真的非常希望他们能够兑现承诺。
The architect of Donald Trump's immigration policy, Stephen Miller, kind of famously berated DHS officials last May and demanded they arrest 3,000 immigrants a day, a quota it is nowhere close to achieving.
唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)移民政策的设计者斯蒂芬·米勒(Stephen Miller)去年5月曾斥责国土安全部官员，并要求他们每天逮捕3,000名移民，但距离实现这一目标还差得很远。
So that all sets the stage for the nationwide tour of American cities that federal agents have been on for months, going from one city to the next-- Los Angeles, then Chicago, then Charlotte, then Minneapolis, then New Orleans.
因此，这一切都为联邦探员几个月来进行的美国城市全国巡演奠定了基础，从一个城市到另一个城市——洛杉矶，然后是芝加哥，然后是夏洛特，然后是明尼阿波利斯，然后是新奥尔良。
Some of the operations got cutesy, trolly names-- Charlotte's Web, Catahoula Crunch, Catch of the Day in Maine.
有些行动有可爱的、电车般的名字——夏洛特的网、卡塔霍拉脆饼、缅因州的当日渔获。
And when they arrive in each city, in the calls that I want to play you right now in this act of the show, what's interesting is there are these little runs of calls that tell a story when you listen to them in sequence, one after another after another.
当他们到达每个城市时，在我现在想在节目的这一幕中给你打的电话中，有趣的是，当你一个接一个地按顺序听他们时，这些小串的电话会讲述一个故事。
It's like you see the immigration agents roll through town on some particular afternoon or evening, moving down the block from corner to corner and spot to spot, leaving a little cloud of chaos each place they touch.
这就像你看到移民代理在某个特定的下午或晚上穿过城镇，沿着街区从一个角落移动到另一个角落，从一个地方移动到另一个地方，在他们接触的每个地方都留下一点混乱。
We're going to start with a whole bunch of calls from Charlotte that begin at 10:04 in the morning with a guy who's phoning 911 because ICE seems to be breaking the law.
我们将从夏洛特打来的一大堆电话开始，这些电话是早上 10:04 打来的，电话是 911，因为 ICE 似乎违法了。
And 911 is the place you call to report somebody breaking the law, right?
911 是举报违法者的地方，对吧？
Charlotte 911.
夏洛特 911。
Do you need police, fire, or medic?
您需要警察、消防员或医务人员吗？
I just wanted to report we've got a Chevy Tahoe.
我只是想报告我们有一辆雪佛兰太浩。
It's definitely ICE.
这绝对是ICE。
[DISTANT HONKING] They have their license plate-- like, it's covered.
[远处鸣笛]他们有车牌——就像，它被遮盖了。
I'm pretty sure that that's illegal.
我很确定那是非法的。
It's all covered up.
一切都被掩盖了。
And he's backing into this corner right now.
他现在正在退到这个角落。
Oh, he's got a camera out right now.
哦，他现在拿出了相机。
And they're in tactical gear and everything.
他们配备了战术装备等等。
But it's--
但它是——
What type of vehicle is it?
它是什么类型的车辆？
Caller It's a Chevy Tahoe.
来电者是一辆雪佛兰太浩。
The numbers on the plate are deliberately crossed out.
盘子上的数字被故意划掉了。
And where are they at?
他们在哪里？
Caller I'm at North Tryon street.
呼叫者 我在北特赖恩街。
I'm in the Kangaroo.
我在袋鼠里
The Kangaroo is a gas station, mini mart.
袋鼠是一个加油站，迷你超市。
I'm at a distance.
我在远处。
But they're in the Kangaroo right now.
但他们现在在袋鼠里。
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
Caller All the fucking ICE agents are coming in right now.
呼叫者 所有他妈的 ICE 特工现在都来了。
And this guy's walking up to me.
这家伙正向我走来。
I don't have to roll down my window, do I?
我不需要摇下车窗，不是吗？
I'm on the phone with 911, actually.
事实上，我正在给 911 打电话。
Because you guys--
因为你们——
This is your first warning to stop following us.
这是您第一次收到停止关注我们的警告。
And it's on camera.
而且它在摄像机上。
Your license plate is obstructed.
你的车牌被遮挡了。
You guys are on camera as well.
你们也出现在镜头前。
You have your first warning to stop following us.
您收到第一个警告，要求您停止关注我们。
If you continue to follow us, we're going to arrest you for impeding.
如果你继续跟踪我们，我们就会以妨碍你的罪名逮捕你。
You got all that, right?
这些你都明白了，对吧？
Dispatcher Yes.
调度员 是的。
I'm not impeding anything.
我没有妨碍任何事情。
I'm just sitting over here.
我只是坐在这里。
He said I was following him.
他说我在跟踪他。
I just drove into the gas station here.
我刚开车进这里的加油站。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
There's, like, eight trucks in here now.
现在这里大约有八辆卡车。
But my concern was the license plate that was deliberately crossed out.
但我担心的是被故意划掉的车牌。
And then he's going to want to say that I was following him.
然后他会想说我在跟踪他。
But you heard him, how intimidating he was trying to be.
但你听到了他的声音，他是多么想表现得令人恐惧。
So you just want me to have an officer call you?
所以你只是想让我派一名警官给你打电话？
Yeah, that would be great.
是的，那太好了。
Ira Glass OK.
艾拉·格拉斯 好的。
So that's the first call in this set of calls.
这是这组调用中的第一个调用。
17 minutes later, completely unrelated to that first guy, about a mile and a half away, on the same road, North Tryon Street.
17 分钟后，与第一个人完全无关，距离大约一英里半，在同一条路上，北特赖恩街。
I just had a car hit me.
我刚刚被一辆车撞了。
He just hit the back of my car.
他刚刚撞到了我的车尾。
OK.
好的。
Where are you?
你在哪里？
Caller On North Tryon.
北特赖恩的来电者。
I'm right behind him.
我就在他身后。
He's running away from me.
他正在逃离我。
He's a ICE detective.
他是一名 ICE 侦探。
He just hit my car, and he just ran away.
他刚刚撞到了我的车，然后就逃跑了。
A detective hit your car?
侦探撞了你的车？
Caller An ICE police patrol car.
呼叫者 一辆 ICE 警察巡逻车。
Oh, ICE hit your car.
哦，ICE 撞到了你的车。
Caller Yeah.
来电者 是的。
He hit my car right now.
他现在就撞了我的车。
He's running away.
他要逃跑了。
All right.
好的。
Listen to me.
听我说。
I'd advise you not to follow--
我建议你不要跟随——
I'd advise you not to follow, the dispatcher's saying.
调度员说，我建议你不要跟着。
--just to keep yourself out of harm's way.
——只是为了让自己远离伤害。
Nah.
不。
They're not going to do nothing to me.
他们不会对我做什么。
I'm an American citizen.
我是美国公民。
But it's just the fact that he hit my car and he's running away.
但事实上他撞了我的车然后就逃跑了。
I understand.
我明白。
Caller Yeah.
来电者 是的。
That's not going on right now.
现在情况还不是这样。
Right.
正确的。
OK.
好的。
What I will tell you is, the officer's not going to come and chase you guys down.
我要告诉你的是，警察不会来追你们的。
The officer's not going to come chase you guys down.
警察不会来追你们的。
In other words, you're on your own.
换句话说，你只能靠自己。
Now they're following me with their gun.
现在他们拿着枪跟着我。
Yeah.
是的。
That's just violating my citizen rights.
这简直侵犯了我的公民权利。
He hit my car, and now they were pointing guns at me.
他撞了我的车，现在他们用枪指着我。
Yeah.
是的。
And they just hit my car too.
他们也撞了我的车。
I understand that.
我明白这一点。
Where are you right now?
你现在在哪里？
On North Tryon.
在北特赖恩。
Ira Glass This goes on for a little while, the dispatcher asking for a cross street.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 这种情况持续了一会儿，调度员要求过马路。
The guy doesn't know the cross street.
这家伙不认识十字路口。
And you hear pounding on his windows.
你听到敲打窗户的声音。
Do you see an intersecting street where you are?
你看到你所在的地方有一条交叉的街道吗？
[POUNDING ON WINDOW] Dispatcher What intersection?
[敲打窗户]调度员 什么十字路口？
Is that University City?
是大学城吗？
Agent Hey, put your hands on the wheel now.
特工嘿，现在把手放在方向盘上。
Now.
现在。
Right now.
现在。
You hit me with a car, bro.
你用车撞了我，兄弟。
Agent It's assault.
特工这是攻击。
Open the door.
打开门。
Open the door.
打开门。
[SHOUTING]
[喊叫]
Ira Glass A while later, 911 gets this call about the same car in the same location and the guy who was in the car.
Ira Glass 过了一会儿，911 接到电话，询问同一地点的同一辆车以及车内的人。
My cousin had been abducted by ICE, and he's a US citizen.
我的表弟被 ICE 绑架了，他是美国公民。
So I need some help on how to proceed.
所以我需要一些关于如何继续的帮助。
And he is a US citizen.
他是美国公民。
And so what's going on with that?
那么这是怎么回事呢？
I thought that was just going to be to detain immigrants that are not from here, not also US citizens.
我认为这只是为了拘留不是来自这里的移民，也不是美国公民。
So you said he was kidnapped by ICE officials, ma'am?
女士，你说他是被 ICE 官员绑架的？
Did I hear you correctly?
我没听错吗？
Yes, ma'am.
是的，女士。
It was [INAUDIBLE] car.
那是[听不清]汽车。
And I do have video footage.
而且我确实有视频片段。
OK, ma'am.
好的，女士。
Ira Glass This dispatcher gets some more information and then pulls another person on the line to talk to the caller.
Ira Glass 该调度员获取更多信息，然后拉另一个人来与呼叫者通话。
I'm going to have an officer call you and talk to you about this.
我将派一名官员给您打电话并与您讨论此事。
CMPD doesn't deal with immigration enforcement.
CMPD 不负责移民执法。
So I'm not sure how we would proceed with that.
所以我不确定我们将如何进行。
We would like to know, if the police can't help us, who can help us find our cousin?
我们想知道，如果警察不能帮助我们，谁能帮助我们找到我们的表弟？
Who are we supposed to turn to for help?
我们应该向谁寻求帮助？
Right, right.
对，对。
I understand your concerns.
我理解你的担忧。
I'm sorry you guys are going through this.
我很抱歉你们正在经历这一切。
OK.
好的。
So a man gets pulled from his car.
于是，一名男子被从车里拉了出来。
That was one call.
那是一个电话。
Cousin looking for him, that's the next call.
表弟在找他，那是下一个电话。
And then an hour after that, there's another call about the car that's sitting there, windows smashed in.
一小时后，又接到一个电话，说那辆车停在那里，窗户被砸碎。
OK.
好的。
What type of report are you trying to make?
您想要制作什么类型的报告？
A damage report.
损坏报告。
Dispatcher What type of damage report?
调度员 什么类型的损坏报告？
What happened?
发生了什么？
So I don't really know as far as everything.
所以我真的不知道一切。
But my cousin was stopped by ICE and they bashed the windows.
但我的表弟被 ICE 拦住了，他们砸了窗户。
And I'm not sure why.
我不知道为什么。
He's a US citizen.
他是美国公民。
But the car is under my name, and he's a cosign, and we're both on the insurance and everything.
但这辆车在我名下，他是联署人，我们都有保险和一切。
But I need a police report as far as trying to see what the next steps are.
但我需要一份警方报告才能了解下一步的行动。
All right.
好的。
I have another call for service.
我还有另一个服务电话。
We'll get officers out there as soon as we can.
我们会尽快派遣官员前往那里。
An accident report-- that's something the 911 operator knows how to do.
事故报告——这是 911 接线员知道如何做的事情。
The government later filed charges against the guy they pulled from the car.
政府后来对他们从车上拉下来的人提出了指控。
His name is Cristobal Maltos.
他的名字叫克里斯托瓦尔·马尔托斯。
He's 24.
他24岁了。
Agents said that when his car moved, he hit an officer with his car mirror, and then charged him with felony assault, resisting, and impeding.
特工表示，当他的车移动时，他用车后视镜袭击了一名警官，然后指控他犯有袭击、抵抗和妨碍重罪。
A few weeks later, the DOJ dropped the charges.
几周后，司法部撤销了指控。
One thing that hits when you listen to these 911 calls is this feeling like nobody's going to come save you.
当你听到这些 911 电话时，你会感觉到一种感觉，好像没有人会来拯救你。
Superman's not going to show up.
超人不会出现。
The cavalry's not going to come in.
骑兵不会进来。
The police aren't going to be there.
警察不会在那里。
The police aren't going to come because local police won't interfere with federal immigration officers doing their jobs.
警察不会来，因为当地警察不会干扰联邦移民官员的工作。
You hear operators telling that to callers.
您会听到接线员向呼叫者告知这一点。
And you also hear them say, can you just get out of there?
你也听到他们说，你能离开那里吗？
Or can you just play along?
或者你可以一起玩吗？
For instance, here's another call.
例如，这是另一个电话。
We're in the same city, Charlotte, North Carolina, the day after everything you just heard.
在你刚刚听到的一切之后的第二天，我们在同一个城市，北卡罗来纳州夏洛特。
Charlotte 911.
夏洛特 911。
Do you need police, fire, or medic?
您需要警察、消防员或医务人员吗？
So I'm over here on Eastway by the Showmars at Eastway Crossing.
我现在在 Eastway Crossing 的 Showmars 旁边。
I've got two vehicles that are in Border Patrol, and they're following me.
我有两辆车在边境巡逻队，他们在跟踪我。
And they're trying to get out of the car.
他们正试图下车。
[SIRENS WAILING] There's two Wagoneers, and they've got their sirens on.
[警笛哀嚎]有两个马车夫，他们拉起了警笛。
And they're Border Patrol.
他们是边境巡逻队。
They're not police.
他们不是警察。
And they're trying to pull me over right now.
他们现在正试图把我拉过来。
And they've been driving recklessly.
而且他们一直在鲁莽驾驶。
And they're right on my ass.
他们就在我屁股上。
And I'm a US citizen.
我是美国公民。
I am not immigrated here whatsoever.
我无论如何都没有移民到这里。
And they're driving recklessly.
而且他们开车鲁莽。
They're, like, right on my butt.
它们就在我屁股上。
Keep trying to [INAUDIBLE].
继续尝试[听不清]。
Caller They keep trying to block my path.
来电者 他们一直试图挡住我的路。
And there's actually four of them trying to ram into my car.
实际上有四个人试图撞上我的车。
Can you please send someone ASAP?
您能尽快派人吗？
Are you able to-- OK.
你能——好吧。
Are you able to pull over safely?
你能安全靠边停车吗？
I am.
我是。
I just pulled over.
我刚刚靠边停车。
Dispatcher OK.
调度员好。
Just try to comply as best as you can.
只要尽力遵守即可。
I'm putting [INAUDIBLE] Agent Get on the ground!
我正在让[听不清]特工趴到地上！
Hello?
你好？
Caller I'm on the ground.
打电话的人我在地上。
I'm on the ground.
我在地上。
OK.
好的。
[INAUDIBLE] Caller [INAUDIBLE] I'm on the ground.
[听不清] 呼叫者 [听不清] 我在地上。
It gets kind of faint there.
那里有点微弱。
But he's saying, "I'm on the ground.
但他说：“我在地上。
I'm on the ground." This continues for half a minute.
我在地上。”这持续了半分钟。
Then you hear the dispatcher pipe up again.
然后你又听到调度员的声音。
Hello?
你好？
[INDISTINCT SHOUTING AND MUTTERING]
[模糊的喊叫声和嘀咕声]
Then there's another half minute or so like this, until, finally--
然后又过了半分钟左右，直到，最后——
911 disconnect.
911 断开连接。
I'm getting no response.
我没有得到任何回应。
[DISTANT SHOUTING] Ira Glass This happened in the parking lot for a shopping mall.
[远处的喊叫] Ira Glass 这件事发生在一家购物中心的停车场。
Witnesses heard him yelling, I'm a US citizen, as he was dragged out of the car.
当他被从车里拖出来时，目击者听到他大喊“我是美国公民”。
Several agents' cars surrounded him.
几辆特工的车包围了他。
They handcuffed him.
他们给他戴上手铐。
They took him.
他们带走了他。
A crowd gathered, upset, filming.
一群人聚集在一起，心烦意乱地拍摄。
The guy's name is Joshua Long.
这个人的名字叫约书亚·朗。
He was detained for six hours, says he was charged with assault on a federal officer.
他被拘留了六个小时，并称他被指控袭击一名联邦官员。
Here's something you might not have guessed.
这是你可能没有猜到的事情。
It isn't just citizens and immigrants calling in to 911 on these calls.
拨打 911 的不仅仅是公民和移民。
ICE and Border Patrol call too.
ICE 和边境巡逻队也打电话过来。
And they call 911 for a bunch of different reasons.
他们出于各种不同的原因拨打 911。
Sometimes it's for the stuff that anybody calls 911.
有时是为了有人拨打 911 的事情。
There's one call where federal agents got into a fender bender and wanted to file a regular traffic accident report.
有一个电话称，联邦探员发生了车祸，想要提交一份定期交通事故报告。
Another Border Patrol agent called to report a theft.
另一名边境巡逻人员打电话报告盗窃案。
He said that somebody-- presumably, a protester, but he doesn't say-- broke into his car, stole his work laptop, some ammunition, and his uniform.
他说有人——大概是一名抗议者，但他没有说——闯入了他的车，偷走了他的工作笔记本电脑、一些弹药和他的制服。
Let me turned on the lights.
让我把灯打开。
I apologize.
我道歉。
But I had my badge in there too.
但我的徽章也在那里。
I didn't realize that my badge was in there until right now.
直到现在我才意识到我的徽章就在那里。
Calls like these, 911 operators respond to like any other calls.
对于此类呼叫，911 接线员会像任何其他呼叫一样进行响应。
But sometimes ICE and Border Patrol call for help with their jobs out in the field.
但有时 ICE 和边境巡逻队会在现场工作时寻求帮助。
And that's more complicated.
这更复杂。
Los Angeles, Chicago, Minneapolis, lots of cities, sanctuary cities, don't allow local police to help with immigration arrests.
洛杉矶、芝加哥、明尼阿波利斯等许多城市、庇护城市不允许当地警察协助逮捕移民。
This is a huge bone of contention for the Trump administration, who've tried to sue to change this, and just this week demanded that Minnesota help them as a condition for reducing the number of federal agents there.
这对特朗普政府来说是一个巨大的争论焦点，他们试图通过诉讼来改变这一点，就在本周，他们要求明尼苏达州帮助他们，作为减少那里联邦特工数量的条件。
But one way that some local police do step in-- and step in all the time to help federal agents-- is to manage crowds and protesters who show up around their operations.
但一些当地警察确实介入的一种方式——并且一直介入以帮助联邦特工——是管理出现在他们行动周围的人群和抗议者。
And in cities where local police are not cooperating with ICE and Border Patrol, one way the federal agents can get them to show up is by calling 911.
在当地警察不与 ICE 和边境巡逻队合作的城市，联邦特工让他们出现的一种方法是拨打 911。
So, for example, in Worcester, Massachusetts, in May, ICE called repeatedly for police to come to Eureka Street to help them deal with a crowd when ICE arrested a woman as her teenage daughters watched.
例如，5 月份在马萨诸塞州伍斯特市，当 ICE 逮捕了一名妇女时，ICE 多次要求警察来到尤里卡街帮助他们对付人群，而她十几岁的女儿在一旁观看。
I need you get there as fast as they can.
我需要你尽快赶到那里。
What happened?
发生了什么？
Agent We have a crowd surrounding an officer, and he's requesting immediate assistance.
特工 我们有一群人围住了一名警官，他请求立即提供援助。
Can you send units, please?
请问可以发单位吗？
Yes, beautiful.
是的，美丽。
Dispatcher Any weapons that they can tell?
调度员 他们有什么武器可以告诉我吗？
Other than the agents?
除了代理商还有什么？
No. Dispatcher About how many people is it?
号 调度员 大约有多少人？
About 25.
大约25。
Dispatcher 25 people surrounding one officer?
派遣25人包围一名警官？
After that, the scene gets pretty unruly.
之后，场面就变得非常不规则了。
People in the crowd demand to see a warrant for the arrest, though ICE does not need a warrant to arrest somebody.
人群中的人们要求出示逮捕令，但 ICE 并不需要逮捕令来逮捕某人。
That's something lots of people don't know.
这是很多人不知道的事情。
Here's one last example of ICE calling 911, in this case, doing something that kind of surprised me to hear so baldly there on a recording.
这是 ICE 拨打 911 的最后一个例子，在这种情况下，我在录音中听到如此直率的举动让我感到惊讶。
In October, in Oxnard, California.
十月，在加利福尼亚州奥克斯纳德。
ICE agents deliberately rammed their Jeep Cherokee into the side of a pickup truck of an activist who'd been following them.
ICE 特工故意将他们的吉普切诺基撞到一名跟踪他们的活动人士的皮卡车侧面。
They T-boned the truck.
他们用丁字骨把卡车固定起来。
There's video of this.
有这个视频啊
And then the agents called 911 and lied about what happened.
然后特工拨打了 911，对所发生的事情撒了谎。
911.
911.
What's your emergency?
你有什么紧急情况？
Agent Hi.
代理嗨。
I'm with DHS ICE.
我是 DHS ICE 的工作人员。
I had a local individual crash.
我遇到了当地的个人事故。
They backed into our vehicle.
他们倒车进入我们的车。
We're pursuing them right now.
我们现在正在追捕他们。
They're causing a major safety incident.
他们正在造成重大安全事故。
We need locals here now because we're in an active pursuit with the vehicle.
我们现在需要当地人，因为我们正在积极追捕这辆车。
He backed into us, and he's fleeing from us.
他背对着我们，又在逃离我们。
And he's causing an insane safety hazard to this entire area.
他正在对整个地区造成严重的安全隐患。
ICE hasn't released the name of this agent.
ICE 尚未公布该特工的姓名。
He hasn't talked to the press.
他还没有接受媒体采访。
So we can only guess at why he's saying what he's saying.
所以我们只能猜测他为什么这么说。
Maybe he has no idea he was filmed ramming his Jeep into the pickup truck and he's trying to create a record.
也许他不知道自己被拍到驾驶吉普车撞上皮卡车，而他正试图创造一项记录。
Maybe he's just saying anything that he thinks would get the local police to come help him.
也许他只是说了一些他认为可以让当地警察来帮助他的话。
The dispatcher does send police cars out to help.
调度员确实派了警车出去帮忙。
And they stop the pickup.
他们停止了皮卡。
ICE arrests the activist.
ICE 逮捕了这名活动人士。
His name is Leonardo Martinez.
他的名字叫莱昂纳多·马丁内斯。
But the video of the agents ramming his truck goes viral.
但特工冲撞他卡车的视频却在网上疯传。
He was released a few hours later.
几个小时后他被释放。
Over the eight months since ICE and Border Patrol began these operations around the country, their tactics have gotten more extreme, and the guardrails protecting people's rights have been crumbling.
自从 ICE 和边境巡逻队在全国各地开始这些行动以来的八个月里，他们的策略变得更加极端，保护人民权利的护栏已经崩溃。
In their first operation in Los Angeles last summer, immigration agents began widespread racial profiling, stopping anybody speaking Spanish or speaking English with an accent.
去年夏天，在洛杉矶的第一次行动中，移民官员开始广泛进行种族定性，阻止任何说西班牙语或带口音的英语的人。
Then in September, the Supreme Court said they would allow that for now.
然后在九月，最高法院表示他们暂时允许这样做。
So now they can stop anybody who looks or sounds foreign to them.
所以现在他们可以阻止任何看起来或听起来陌生的人。
Another change?
另一个改变？
DHS issued a new policy saying federal agents could enter somebody's home without a judge's order, which until now was considered unconstitutional.
国土安全部发布了一项新政策，称联邦特工可以在没有法官命令的情况下进入某人的家，到目前为止，这被认为是违宪的。
And as things ramped up over this fall, it was made clear to federal agents that if protesters or anybody else tried to slow them down, they could basically do whatever they wanted to them, whatever they saw fit, and they would not be punished.
随着今年秋天事态的升级，联邦特工明确表示，如果抗议者或其他任何人试图阻止他们，他们基本上可以对他们做任何他们想做的事，无论他们认为合适，他们都不会受到惩罚。
Here's Stephen Miller in October.
这是斯蒂芬·米勒十月份的报道。
To all ICE officers, you have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties.
对于所有 ICE 官员，您在履行职责时享有联邦豁免权。
And anybody who lays a hand on you or tries to stop you or tries to obstruct you is committing a felony.
任何对您动手或试图阻止您或试图阻碍您的人都犯有重罪。
You have immunity.
你有免疫力。
And no one-- no city official, no state official, no illegal alien, no leftist agitator or domestic insurrectionist-- can prevent you from fulfilling your legal obligations and duties.
任何人——任何城市官员、任何州官员、任何非法移民、任何左翼煽动者或国内叛乱分子——都不能阻止你履行你的法律义务和职责。
So where does that lead?
那么这会导致什么结果呢？
I have one last call I want to play you.
我还有最后一个电话，我想和你玩。
It's from Chicago.
来自芝加哥。
Chicago Fire Department.
芝加哥消防局。
How can I help you?
我怎么帮你？
Can I get medical attention on 36 and California?
我可以在 36 和加利福尼亚州获得医疗护理吗？
I've just been shot.
我刚刚被枪杀了。
36th and California, please.
36 号，加利福尼亚州，有请。
Dispatcher We'll someone right over for you.
调度员 我们会马上派人来接您。
Where on--
在哪里——
[INAUDIBLE] Dispatcher --your body were you shot?
[听不清] 调度员——你的身体被枪杀了吗？
Huh?
啊？
Dispatcher Where on your body were you shot?
调度员 你身上哪里中枪了？
Huh?
啊？
Dispatcher Where on your body were you shot?
调度员 你身上哪里中枪了？
On my arm and on my leg.
在我的手臂和腿上。
Ow.
噢。
I can't feel my arm no more.
我再也感觉不到我的手臂了。
This is Marimar Martinez, a US citizen.
我是马里马尔·马丁内斯，美国公民。
She was driving around her neighborhood, warning people that agents were coming, and was shot October 4, three months before Renee Good and Alex Pretti were shot and killed in Minneapolis.
她当时开车在她家附近转悠，警告人们特工即将到来，并于 10 月 4 日被枪杀，三个月后，蕾妮·古德 (Renee Good) 和亚历克斯·普雷蒂 (Alex Pretti) 在明尼阿波利斯被枪杀。
Help is on the way now.
帮助正在路上。
We'll be there shortly.
我们很快就会到那里。
You're outside on the corner there?
你在外面的拐角处吗？
I'm right here in the corner, in the corner, in the corner.
我就在这个角落里，在这个角落里，在这个角落里。
OK.
好的。
Help is on the way.
帮助正在路上。
Caller Oh, fucking shit.
来电者哦，操他妈的。
Do you have a bandana?
你有头巾吗？
Woman Do you know who shot you, ma'am?
女人 你知道是谁射杀了你吗，女士？
Do you have a bandana?
你有头巾吗？
I'm-- Woman Hello, ma'am?
我是—— 女士 你好，女士？
Do you know who shot you?
你知道谁射杀了你吗？
[INDISTINCT VOICES] Caller Oh my god, I feel like I'm going to faint.
[模糊的声音] 呼叫者 天哪，我感觉我要晕倒了。
She's saying to somebody, do you have a bandana or something to stop this?
她对某人说，你有头巾或其他东西可以阻止这一切吗？
Please.
请。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Woman Ma'am, do you know who shot you?
[西班牙语] 女士，您知道谁射杀了您吗？
ICE agents.
ICE 代理人。
Woman The ICE agent shot you?
女人 ICE 特工开枪打死你了？
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass Marimar Martinez's case is eerily like Renee Good's.
艾拉·格拉斯·马里马尔·马丁内斯的案子与蕾妮·古德的案子出奇地相似。
She was in her car, and the government accused her of using her car as a deadly weapon and called her a domestic terrorist.
她当时在车里，政府指责她使用汽车作为致命武器，并称她为国内恐怖分子。
News coverage has documented 13 people who've been shot by immigration agents since these big city sweeps began.
自这些大城市扫荡行动开始以来，新闻报道记录了 13 人被移民代理枪杀的情况。
And most of them, they were shot in their cars.
他们中的大多数人是在车里被枪杀的。
Also, most of them were accused by federal agents of not complying with orders or trying to escape, or using their car as a weapon.
此外，他们中的大多数人被联邦特工指控不遵守命令或试图逃跑，或使用汽车作为武器。
Two of the people shot in their cars died.
车内枪击事件中的两人死亡。
The rest survived.
其余的人幸存下来。
This woman, Marimar Martinez, was one of the survivors.
这位名叫玛丽玛·马丁内斯 (Marimar Martinez) 的妇女是幸存者之一。
In her case, a Border Patrol officer, Charles Exum, said she rammed her SUV into his.
在她的案件中，边境巡逻官员查尔斯·埃克萨姆(Charles Exum)表示，她将自己的SUV撞上了他的。
She said it was the other way around.
她说情况正好相反。
And once she got into court on charges that she forcibly assaulted, impeded, and interfered with a federal law enforcement officer, once it got before a judge, the government decided to drop its case.
当她因强行袭击、妨碍和干扰联邦执法人员的指控而进入法庭时，一旦提交给法官，政府就决定撤销此案。
Martinez's attorney had argued that bodycam evidence clearly showed Exum swerving his vehicle to hit Martinez.
马丁内斯的律师辩称，随身摄像头证据清楚地显示埃克萨姆转向他的车辆撞上了马丁内斯。
Also, it was revealed that Charles Exum, the officer who shot Martinez, bragged about it in texts to his friends, saying things like, "I fired five rounds and she had seven holes.
此外，据透露，枪杀马丁内斯的警官查尔斯·埃克萨姆(Charles Exum)在给朋友的短信中吹嘘此事，说道，“我开了五枪，她打了七个洞。
Put that in your book, boys." Before he jumped out of his car and shot her, he was recorded on bodycam footage saying, "do something, bitch." In the end, his glee, his apparent pleasure in the violence of his own actions, turned into a problem for their case and how a jury would see it.
把它写进你的书里吧，孩子们。”在他跳下车开枪射杀她之前，随身摄像头记录了他说：“做点什么，婊子。”最终，他的喜悦，他对自己暴力行为的明显愉悦，变成了他们的案件以及陪审团如何看待它的问题。
In a sense, that's what's happened to these operations nationally.
从某种意义上说，这就是全国范围内这些行动所发生的情况。
In the last two weeks, their brutality and the seeming incompetence of the people carrying them out, the reckless incompetence, is hard to avoid.
在过去的两周里，他们的残暴以及实施这些行动的人的无能、鲁莽的无能是难以避免的。
It feels like everybody's been talking about it, whatever their politics.
感觉就像每个人都在谈论它，无论他们的政治立场如何。
In Minnesota, the place that's been ground zero for so much of this lately, the police chief for West Saint Paul, Brian Sturgeon, was asked this week by a resident at a city council meeting, what do we do if ICE agents break the law?
在明尼苏达州，这个最近发生了很多此类事件的地方，西圣保罗市警察局长布莱恩·斯特金 (Brian Sturgeon) 在市议会会议上被一位居民问到，如果 ICE 特工违法，我们该怎么办？
Can you help us?
你能帮助我们吗？
In other words, the same question that came up in a few 911 calls.
换句话说，在几个 911 电话中也出现了同样的问题。
Looking strained and tired, Chief Sturgeon said, I don't know.
斯特金酋长看上去既紧张又疲惫，他说：“我不知道。”
I don't have answers for you on a lot of things.
很多事情我都无法给你答案。
They have a different playbook.
他们有不同的剧本。
They have a playbook that I'm not trained in, our officers aren't trained in.
他们有一本我没有受过训练的剧本，我们的官员也没有受过训练。
They have a playbook that we disagree with on some aspects of, I'll be honest with you.
老实说，我们在某些方面不同意他们的剧本。
He seemed truly lost about what he could possibly offer.
他似乎真的不知道自己能提供什么。
His suggestion?
他的建议？
Call 911.
拨打 911。
I want our citizens to know that if you see something or if-- for instance, if they're hanging-- if they're stopped by a bus stop, call us.
我希望我们的公民知道，如果您看到什么东西，或者如果——例如，如果他们被吊死——如果他们被公交车站拦住，请给我们打电话。
We will be there.
我们会在那里。
If you are afraid because they're in the area or they're knocking on your neighbor's house, call us.
如果您因为他们在该地区或正在敲您邻居的房子而感到害怕，请致电我们。
Know, if you do call 911, we will be there.
请注意，如果您拨打 911，我们就会在那里。
I know it's not what you want to hear, but yeah, it's a difficult situation.
我知道这不是你想听到的，但是，是的，这是一个困难的情况。
I don't have answers for a lot of the stuff because I don't understand it either.
很多问题我都没有答案，因为我也不明白。
President Trump, meanwhile, after first saying this past week that he would be de-escalating immigration enforcement, by the end of the week, said it was going to be full steam ahead.
与此同时，特朗普总统在上周首次表示他将在本周末之前降低移民执法力度，之后又表示将全力推进。
As of today, operations continue in cities around the country.
截至今天，全国各地城市的运营仍在继续。
Chana Joffe-Walt produced that story about 911 calls.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 制作了有关 911 电话的故事。
Coming up, the glutton of Los Angeles goes to war-- that's in a minute on Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
即将到来，洛杉矶的饕餮盛宴即将开战——我们的节目将在芝加哥公共广播电台继续播出。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program-- What's Your Emergency?
今天的节目——您有什么紧急情况吗？
Stories of life in this new America, where federal agents have swept out across American cities.
这个新美国的生活故事，联邦特工席卷了美国城市。
In this half of our show, we're going to turn to people trying to outsmart, outrun, and outplay those forces, beginning now with Act Two.
在我们节目的这一部分中，我们将转向那些试图智取、超越和战胜这些力量的人们，现在从第二幕开始。
Act two, There's No Place like Home Depot.
第二幕，没有比家得宝更好的地方了。
So there are certain spots around the country getting raided over and over again, like Home Depot parking lots, where day laborers gather looking for work.
因此，全国各地的某些地方一次又一次遭到突击搜查，比如家得宝停车场，临时工聚集在那里寻找工作。
Back in May, Stephen Miller reportedly yelled at DHS leaders, why aren't you at Home Depot?
据报道，早在五月，斯蒂芬·米勒就对国土安全部领导人大喊大叫，“你为什么不在家得宝？”
And then shortly after that, they were, in force.
不久之后，他们就生效了。
One of the very first to get hit in Los Angeles on the first day of the Feds arriving in June was this one in West Lake, LA, on Wilshire Boulevard.
美联储在 6 月份抵达洛杉矶的第一天，最先受到袭击的人之一就是洛杉矶西湖威尔希尔大道上的这一个。
And then in August, this same Home Depot was the spot where DHS launched a brand-new strategy that it called Operation Trojan Horse, where Border Patrol agents hid in the back of a Penske truck that pulled up into the parking lot as if it was just a regular moving truck looking to hire people.
然后在八月，国土安全部在同一个家得宝推出了一项名为“特洛伊木马行动”的全新战略，边境巡逻人员躲在一辆停在停车场的潘世奇卡车后面，就好像这只是一辆正在招聘人员的普通卡车一样。
When workers ran to it to get jobs, the back opened.
当工人们跑去找工作时，后面的门就打开了。
Agents jumped out in tactical vests with weapons.
身穿战术背心、携带武器的特工们跳了出来。
16 people were taken that day.
当天有16人被带走。
And five months later, this same Home Depot is still getting raided.
五个月后，这家家得宝仍然遭到突击搜查。
And people are still showing up to find work every day.
人们仍然每天都来找工作。
So what's that like?
那么那是什么样子的呢？
Months and months of cat and mouse?
猫和老鼠的几个月又一个月？
Reporter Anayansi Diaz-Cortez wanted to find out.
记者阿纳扬西·迪亚兹-科尔特斯 (Anayansi Diaz-Cortez) 想要找出答案。
This Home Depot's not the easiest place to try to conduct a raid.
这个家得宝并不是最容易进行突袭的地方。
Because at the edge of the parking lot is a kind of safe zone, an area the size of 10 parking spots surrounded by a wrought iron fence.
因为停车场的边缘是一种安全区，有10个停车位大小的区域，周围有铁艺围栏。
Inside, there's a small building.
里面有一座小楼。
There's a corrugated roof.
有一个波纹屋顶。
Day laborers know, when there's a raid, they can take shelter there.
临时工知道，当发生袭击时，他们可以在那里避难。
It's run by a nonprofit called Carecen, set up years ago to make sure day laborers actually got paid by contractors hiring them.
它由一家名为 Carecen 的非营利组织运营，该组织几年前成立，旨在确保雇用临时工的承包商确实获得报酬。
Everyone just calls it El Centro.
每个人都称其为 El Centro。
I want to introduce you to two people who are here just about every day.
我想向您介绍两个几乎每天都在这里的人。
Daniel Jimenez is a security guard.
丹尼尔·希门尼斯是一名保安。
How did you find this job?
你是怎么找到这份工作的？
Yeah.
是的。
How'd you end up here?
你怎么到这里来了？
My friend's dad is the owner of the security company I'm hired through.
我朋友的父亲是我受雇的保安公司的老板。
Before that, I was a dishwasher at a wedding venue.
在此之前，我是婚礼场地的洗碗工。
(SUBJECT) MAN ON RADIO: Gray Dodge coming up to Table 1, Dodge Durango.
（主题）广播中的男子：格雷·道奇（Grey Dodge）来到第 1 桌，道奇·杜兰戈（Dodge Durango）。
I didn't know anything about what they did here.
我对他们在这里做了什么一无所知。
I literally just started working here.
我真的刚刚开始在这里工作。
Daniel's 20 years old with slouchy younger brother vibes, constantly fidgeting with his vape and often dropping it.
丹尼尔今年 20 岁，有一种懒散的弟弟气质，经常摆弄他的电子烟，还经常把电子烟掉在地上。
Go-to drink at Starbucks across the parking lot-- Mango Dragonfruit Refresher.
停车场对面的星巴克必喝的饮品——芒果火龙果清爽饮。
When you see him at his post just outside the gate to El Centro, he looks bored.
当你看到他在埃尔森特罗大门外的岗位上时，他看起来很无聊。
That's a big contrast with the second person I want to introduce you to, Joshua Erazo, college grad, passionate about nonprofit work and labor policy.
这与我想向您介绍的第二个人形成了鲜明对比，约书亚·埃拉佐是大学毕业生，对非营利工作和劳工政策充满热情。
That's from his LinkedIn page.
这是来自他的 LinkedIn 页面。
His vibe-- softspoken community organizer, the person the day laborers turn to for everything-- job connections, immigration lawyers, coffee, toilet paper, Thanksgiving turkeys.
他的氛围是——说话轻声细语的社区组织者，是临时工向他寻求一切帮助的人——工作关系、移民律师、咖啡、卫生纸、感恩节火鸡。
People come to the center for all kinds of stuff, even just to hang out and watch TV.
人们来到中心是为了各种各样的事情，甚至只是为了闲逛和看电视。
Daniel stands outside the gate.
丹尼尔站在门外。
Joshua's inside.
约书亚在里面。
That's why we have our door system and our locks and all that.
这就是我们拥有门系统和锁等等的原因。
But we have the cameras, and I'm ready.
但我们有相机，我已经准备好了。
Here's how it works.
这是它的工作原理。
If there's a raid, workers try to rush inside.
如果发生突袭，工人们就会试图冲进去。
Daniel tries to shuttle people through the gate.
丹尼尔试图送人们穿过大门。
When they're in, Joshua will lock the gate.
当他们进来时，约书亚会锁上门。
It's private property, so federal agents can't enter without a warrant.
这是私人财产，因此联邦特工在没有搜查令的情况下无法进入。
And it can be pretty harrowing.
这可能非常令人痛苦。
You just hear people screaming, screaming, migra, migra.
你只能听到人们尖叫、尖叫、米格拉、米格拉。
And then it almost feels like a stampede of people just running to where they can.
然后感觉就像是一群人蜂拥而至，跑到他们能跑的地方。
Holy shit, you know?
天哪，你知道吗？
This is intense.
这很激烈。
One raid in particular stuck with both of them.
尤其是一次突袭，让他们两人都陷入了困境。
This was back in August.
这是八月份的事了。
Immigration agents rolled up with tear gas.
移民人员用催泪瓦斯卷起。
People ran towards El Centro.
人们跑向埃尔森特罗。
Daniel was outside the gate.
丹尼尔在门外。
Joshua was inside.
约书亚在里面。
Daniel thinks he got 15 people in.
丹尼尔认为他已经招募了 15 个人。
But then one guy on the way in tripped.
但后来有一个人在路上绊倒了。
He tripped in the middle of the door.
他被门中间绊倒了。
And he was just laying there with four ICE agents on him.
他就躺在那里，四名 ICE 探员围在他身上。
And I couldn't close the door.
而且我无法关上门。
And they were trying to get in.
他们正试图进入。
So I had to try to close it and not let them get in and not squish him.
所以我必须试着把它关上，不让他们进来，也不压扁他。
Wow.
哇。
Daniel Jimenez With that guy, it was like, do I save one more and possibly risk everyone, or do I just let them take him?
丹尼尔·希门尼斯（Daniel Jimenez）对那个家伙来说，我是要再救一个人并可能让所有人都面临风险，还是让他们带走他？
Which is a-- I feel like I stuttered a little bit on that decision for a half a second.
我觉得我在这个决定上有点结巴了半秒钟。
Inside the fence, Joshua was struggling with the same question of when to lock the gate.
在栅栏内，约书亚也在为同样的问题而苦苦挣扎：何时锁上大门。
The immigration agents have now grabbed the man's legs and his shirt.
移民官员现在抓住了该男子的腿和衬衫。
But his shoulder and arm are inside the gate, his hands reaching out for Joshua.
但他的肩膀和手臂都在门内，他的双手伸向约书亚。
Kind of reaching out for me to grab him.
有点想伸手让我抓住他。
Outside the fence, two agents grabbed Daniel and pulled him away from the gate, leaving the door to Joshua alone.
栅栏外，两名特工抓住丹尼尔，将他从大门上拉开，把门留给约书亚一人。
Joshua knew the guy stuck in the door, knew him well, said he was like a tio, an uncle, maybe 50 or 60, came around most days.
约书亚认识那个被困在门里的人，很了解他，说他就像一个 tio，一个叔叔，也许 50 岁或 60 岁，大多数时候都在附近。
And it's like, what do you do?
就像，你做什么？
I grab his hand.
我抓住他的手。
And all I wanted to do was like, come on in, and close the door.
我想做的就是进来，然后关上门。
And like, get out of here.
就像，离开这里。
And like, yeah, we did it.
就像，是的，我们做到了。
You were saved.
你得救了。
But in the moment, I was thinking to myself, there's people here.
但此刻，我心里想，有人在这里。
There's people over there that the ICE officers can't even see.
那边有些人连 ICE 官员都看不到。
There's the fact that we have our computers, which might have information.
事实上，我们拥有计算机，其中可能包含信息。
You have to think about all these things.
你必须考虑所有这些事情。
And--
还有——
Joshua makes a quick decision, locks the gate with the man still outside.
约书亚迅速做出决定，锁上大门，而那个人还在外面。
He was at the door.
他就在门口。
He's a strong dude.
他是个坚强的家伙。
He's almost getting away from five other grown men grabbing him.
他差点就摆脱了另外五个抓住他的成年男子。
And he's like, Joshua, Joshua, like, Joshua, like that, with his hand out, grunting because he's using his strength, and me having to be-- I can't.
他就像，约书亚，约书亚，就像，约书亚，就像那样，伸出手，咕哝着，因为他正在使用他的力量，而我必须——我不能。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
And then the other agents overpowering-- like, throwing him back out the door onto the sidewalk on the floor.
然后其他特工压倒性地把他扔到门外，摔到人行道的地板上。
The guy's shirt had almost been completely ripped off by the officers.
那家伙的衬衫几乎被警察完全撕掉了。
Joshua watched from behind the locked door as they arrested him.
约书亚在锁着的门后看着他们逮捕他。
He says the rest of the day, he kept asking people, did I do the right thing?
他说，那天剩下的时间里，他一直在问人们，我做对了吗？
What would you have done?
你会怎么做？
I just felt like shit.
我只是觉得很糟糕。
I felt like I failed him.
我觉得我辜负了他。
I felt like to see someone taken in front of you with their hand out and you, in essence, being like, no, I'm not going to grab your hand, it kind of feels like I let them down.
我感觉就像看到有人伸出手站在你面前，而你，本质上，就像，不，我不会抓住你的手，感觉就像我让他们失望了。
But then you think about, what if I had done that?
但转念一想，如果我这么做了怎么办？
Like, they would have opened the door, and they would have came in.
就像，他们会打开门，然后他们就会进来。
But then it's like, fuck, if it went the other way, maybe 12 people had gotten taken, you know?
但然后就好像，妈的，如果情况相反，也许有 12 个人被带走了，你知道吗？
I think I was asking the others just to be like, well, what would you have done?
我想我只是问其他人，好吧，你会怎么做？
Would you have grabbed their hand?
你会抓住他们的手吗？
Would you not have grabbed their hand?
你不会抓住他们的手吗？
I guess trying to affirm that I made-- not the best decision, but I made the decision that had the least amount of negative consequences.
我想试图确认我所做的——不是最好的决定，但我做出了负面后果最少的决定。
I have this thing that keeps coming to mind when you're talking about this.
当你谈论这件事时，我脑海里一直浮现出一件事。
Have you ever heard of this-- I think it's an ethical situation.
你听说过吗——我认为这是一种道德状况。
Like, if a train is going down the tracks and you're the conductor and there's one person on one track or six people on the other--
就像，如果一列火车沿着铁轨行驶，你是列车员，一条铁轨上有一个人，另一条铁轨上有六个人——
Who would you save?
你会拯救谁？
Lilly Sullivan Yeah.
莉莉·沙利文 是的。
And you lived that situation.
而你就经历过这种情况。
Like, it's actually that situation.
好像，其实就是这样的情况。
And you were the conductor.
而你是指挥。
Yeah.
是的。
I would just blow up the train so it couldn't get to either one, the train being here ICE.
我会炸毁火车，这样它就无法到达任何一站，因为火车在这里是ICE。
But no, I wouldn't inflict any violence on anybody.
但不，我不会对任何人施加任何暴力。
But my solution would be remove the train from the equation so that people can live.
但我的解决方案是将火车从方程式中删除，以便人们可以生活。
There's one more operation I want to tell you about that felt big for a different reason.
我还想告诉你们另一项手术，由于不同的原因，它感觉很大。
This one happened just a few weeks ago while I was in the Starbucks there in the parking lot.
这件事发生在几周前，当时我在停车场的星巴克里。
A woman opened the door and shouted, "ICE is here.
一名妇女打开门喊道：“ICE 来了。
[SPANISH] ICE." Baristas froze, panicked.
[西班牙语] 冰。”咖啡师们惊慌失措，僵住了。
Drinks started flying.
饮料开始飞扬。
I left my drink on the counter and rushed out.
我把饮料留在柜台上，然后冲了出去。
White Tahoe!
白太浩！
The white Tahoe is ICE.
白色太浩湖是ICE。
The white Tahoe running down Union Avenue is ICE!
沿着联合大道行驶的白色太浩湖是 ICE！
I head for El Centro.
我前往埃尔森特罗。
I expected outside to be chaos.
我预计外面会很混乱。
But what happened instead, it was creepily still.
但接下来发生的事情却依然令人毛骨悚然。
Oh my god, the whole front is empty.
天啊，整个前面都是空的。
There's no more workers.
没有更多的工人了。
They're coming back.
他们回来了。
Anayansi Diaz-Cortez But then it's just the screeching of tires.
Anayansi Diaz-Cortez 但接下来只是轮胎的尖叫声。
As far as I can tell, no one gets taken from the parking lot.
据我所知，没有人被带出停车场。
This round, the immigration agents just left.
这一轮，移民代理刚刚离开。
The center was locked down.
中心被封锁。
Inside, some workers watched a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie.
在里面，一些工人观看了尚格·云顿 (Jean-Claude Van Damme) 的电影。
The hero, the one who sounded the alarm, the one who spotted ICE-- I honestly didn't see this coming.
英雄，那个拉响警报的人，那个发现 ICE 的人——老实说，我没有预见到会发生这样的事。
It was Daniel, the 20-year-old who stands outside the gate.
站在门外的是二十岁的丹尼尔。
He spotted them first.
他首先发现了他们。
He was on high alert, pacing.
他高度戒备，踱步。
For months now, he'd been memorizing license plates every day from photos a community watch group had sent around.
几个月来，他每天都在记住社区观察组织发送的照片中的车牌。
What'd you see?
你看到了什么？
Daniel Jimenez It was two Ford Expeditions.
丹尼尔·希门尼斯 这是两辆福特探险队。
Would you like the plates?
你想要盘子吗？
Sure.
当然。
Daniel Jimenez There was a California paper plate, BTC1984, and then a Texas plate, WNJ3422.
Daniel Jimenez 有一个加州纸质车牌，BTC1984，然后是德克萨斯州车牌，WNJ3422。
He told me he'd started memorizing them because checking his phone was too slow.
他告诉我，他已经开始记住它们，因为检查手机太慢了。
That other raid weighed on him, the day he said he stuttered.
那次袭击给他带来了沉重的压力，那天他说自己结巴了。
He didn't want to stutter again.
他不想再结巴了。
I think lots of people right now are finding themselves in roles they did not see coming, doing things they never imagined.
我认为现在很多人发现自己处于他们没有预见到的角色，做着他们从未想象过的事情。
One of the bosses here has a new nickname for Daniel.
这里的一位老板给丹尼尔起了一个新绰号。
He calls him El Monstruo de la Puerta, the monster of the door, which is new.
他称他为“El Monstruo de la Puerta”，即门中的怪物，这是新的。
This didn't used to be a place that needed a monster at the door.
这里以前并不是一个需要怪物守门的地方。
Anayansi Diaz-Cortez.
阿纳扬西·迪亚兹-科尔特斯。
Lilly Sullivan produced that story.
莉莉·沙利文制作了这个故事。
Act Three, Memo to the Future.
第三幕，未来备忘录。
"Emergency" suggests something immediate and short term that happens fast, runs on adrenaline, and then ends.
“紧急情况”意味着一些立即发生的、短期的事情，发生得很快，需要肾上腺素，然后结束。
Miki Meek has this story about a guy who's been in emergency mode for eight months now.
米基·米克（Miki Meek）讲述了一个关于一个人已经处于紧急状态八个月的故事。
Los Angeles was way ahead of Minnesota's governor, Tim Walz, when he called on people to carry their phones on them at all times to record immigration raids.
洛杉矶远远领先于明尼苏达州州长蒂姆·沃尔兹(Tim Walz)，他呼吁人们随时携带手机记录移民突袭情况。
LA's been making videos all along.
LA 一直在制作视频。
The hard part is keeping track.
困难的部分是跟踪。
Did you get that one, Izzy?
伊兹，你收到了吗？
Izzy Ramirez Which one?
伊兹·拉米雷斯 哪一个？
Vine and Columbus?
瓦恩和哥伦布？
Memo Torres Yeah, that's a new one.
备忘录托雷斯 是的，这是一个新的。
Memo Torres and Izzy Ramirez are building an archive, every day's raids, arrests, sightings of federal agents in Southern California, 230 days and counting.
Memo Torres 和 Izzy Ramirez 正在建立一个档案，记录 230 天内每天在南加州的突袭、逮捕和目击联邦特工的情况，并且还在不断增加。
Memo delivers a roundup at the end of every day, just him, speaking to the camera and playing video clips.
Memo 每天结束时都会进行综述，只有他一个人对着镜头讲话并播放视频剪辑。
It's called The Daily Memo.
这就是所谓的每日备忘录。
It's Monday, August 11, and it's day 67 of the ICE siege of LA.
今天是 8 月 11 日星期一，也是 ICE 围攻洛杉矶的第 67 天。
It's Wednesday, October 15, and it's day 133.
今天是 10 月 15 日星期三，第 133 天。
Today's Thursday, November 20, and it's day 168.
今天是 11 月 20 日星期四，第 168 天。
A mother ran with her infant as her husband was taken by agents.
当一名母亲的丈夫被特工带走时，她带着婴儿逃跑。
We confirmed about 14 people kidnapped by masked federal agents today from--
我们确认今天约有 14 人被蒙面联邦特工绑架——
I don't even live in Los Angeles.
我什至不住在洛杉矶。
And yet, I've been watching The Daily Memo for months.
然而，我已经观看《每日备忘录》好几个月了。
It speaks to something about this moment.
它讲述了关于这一刻的一些事情。
For a while now, almost every day has felt like, I can't believe this day happened.
一段时间以来，几乎每天都感觉，我不敢相信这一天发生了。
And also, what did happen, exactly?
而且，到底发生了什么？
The Daily Memo is trying to organize that chaos.
《每日备忘录》正试图整理这种混乱局面。
Memo records the Daily Memo video at night.
Memo 在晚上录制每日备忘录视频。
And then during the day, all day, almost every day for months now, he and Izzy are in the small room in LA, a work studio, sitting in front of computers while their phones are blowing up with texts and DMs and videos from around the city.
然后白天，一整天，几个月来几乎每天，他和伊兹都在洛杉矶的一个工作室里的小房间里，坐在电脑前，手机上充斥着来自城市各地的短信、私信和视频。
Look over all the footage.
看看所有的镜头。
Is the footage uploaded?
录像上传了吗？
Memo's got two screens in front of him.
莫莫面前有两个屏幕。
When I was there, one screen was a map zoomed in on Northeast Los Angeles, with pins where that day's raids had happened so far.
当我在那里时，一个屏幕上是洛杉矶东北部放大的地图，上面标有当天袭击发生的地点。
You done with the doc, Izzy, or you still updating?
你已经完成了文档，Izzy，还是仍在更新？
The other screen had a Google Doc with bullet points and links to videos that he and Izzy were making together.
另一个屏幕上有一个 Google 文档，其中包含要点以及他和 Izzy 一起制作的视频的链接。
They cross-check videos, call witnesses, often community watch teams and rapid responders.
他们交叉检查视频、传唤目击者、通常是社区观察小组和快速反应人员。
They're weeding out fake or mislabeled videos.
他们正在清除虚假或标签错误的视频。
In the room, it's long silences and then quick shorthand as they try to gather, verify, and archive the same bundle of information for each incident in each day.
在房间里，先是长时间的沉默，然后是快速的速记，因为他们试图收集、验证和归档每天每个事件的相同信息包。
Like how many people taken--
就像有多少人被带走一样——
Yesterday was 14.
昨天是14点。
Izzy Ramirez Yeah.
伊兹·拉米雷斯 是的。
And then the day before that, I had-- so that's 28 plus 8.
然后前一天，我得到了——所以这是 28 加 8。
That's 36, 36 people.
那是36、36人。
What time-- Izzy Ramirez Do you know what time the Classic Car Wash was?
什么时间-- Izzy Ramirez 你知道经典洗车场是什么时间吗？
What time the what?
什么时间什么？
Izzy Ramirez The Classic Car Wash, not City Car Wash?
伊兹·拉米雷斯 (Izzy Ramirez) 经典洗车场，而不是城市洗车场？
And where-- Memo Torres And here's this one saying that ICE is in Inglewood.
哪里—— Memo Torres 这里说 ICE 位于英格尔伍德。
It is a total grind, both monotonous and distressing.
这是一种彻底的苦差事，既单调又令人痛苦。
Memo is 6 foot 4.
备注身高 6 英尺 4 英寸。
And he's got this big beard, perfect hair.
他留着大胡子，完美的头发。
The first time I met him, he was taking his first day off work in six months.
我第一次见到他时，他是六个月来第一天请假。
Do you have a threshold for yourself of being like, I will do this until X?
你是否对自己有一个门槛，让自己觉得“我会这样做直到X”？
I'll do this until I know I gotta do something else?
我会一直做这件事，直到我知道我必须做其他事情为止？
Yeah, it's interesting.
是的，这很有趣。
I don't have too much time to think about all that, to honest with you.
老实说，我没有太多时间考虑这些。
I'm literally living in, minute by minute, to what's happening with ICE.
我确实每时每刻都生活在 ICE 所发生的事情中。
People are like, oh, Memo, we don't want you to burn out.
人们会说，哦，Memo，我们不想让你精疲力竭。
I'm like, I burn out every fucking day.
我想，我他妈的每天都精疲力竭。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
You know?
你知道吗？
I go home.
我回家了。
And then I crash and then eat an edible, put on some TV, go and pass out, and then wake up the next day and just be like, fuck, here we go again.
然后我崩溃了，然后吃了一顿饭，打开了一些电视，然后昏倒了，然后第二天醒来，就像，操，我们又来了。
But it's no different from my landscaping and gardening days, where it was just the same grind every single day.
但这和我从事园林绿化和园艺的日子没有什么不同，每天都是同样的苦差事。
Yeah.
是的。
What are the things that are useful from that life for this one?
上辈子有哪些东西对今生有用？
Just fucking shut up and work.
就他妈的闭嘴去工作吧。
Nothing about that life, the day laborer life or the gardening life, is pleasant-- nothing about it.
那种生活，无论是打零工的生活还是园艺生活，都不是令人愉快的——一点也没有。
You're dealing with people that are passively racist, hard-ass work.
你所面对的人都是消极的种族主义者，工作很辛苦。
Even in the worst of weather, whether it be hot and dry or cold, freezing, and miserable, you still gotta get out there and mow the lawns, trim the trees, trim the bushes, dig the ditches, get dirty, back pains, sores.
即使在最糟糕的天气里，无论是炎热、干燥还是寒冷、冰冻和痛苦，你仍然必须出去修剪草坪、修剪树木、修剪灌木丛、挖沟渠、弄脏、背痛、酸痛。
And when you wake up the next day, it doesn't matter how bad your body feels or how tired your mind is.
当你第二天醒来时，无论你的身体感觉多么糟糕，或者你的头脑多么疲倦，都没有关系。
You get right back up, 5:30, meet the crew, get your coffee and your donut, and get right back to it.
5:30，你就起床，与工作人员会面，拿上咖啡和甜甜圈，然后就回去工作。
So all of that, I brought with me.
所以所有这些，我都带来了。
So it's like, yeah.
所以就像是的。
So what, it was tough?
那又怎么样，很难吗？
Yesterday, it was tough.
昨天，很艰难。
Today, it's going to be tough again.
今天，又会很艰难。
And tomorrow's going to be tough again.
明天又会很艰难。
And that's the routine of life.
这就是生活的常态。
Memo is 45 years old, Mexican-American.
Memo 45 岁，墨西哥裔美国人。
He's lived his whole life in LA.
他一生都住在洛杉矶。
He had his own landscaping business for 16 years and then, almost a year ago, managed to turn the thing he did for fun into his job.
他经营自己的园林绿化生意已经有 16 年了，大约一年前，他成功地将自己的兴趣变成了自己的工作。
He liked to photograph and post about the places he ate at on his lunch breaks-- taco trucks, little burrito hole in the walls, taqueros who'd set up shop on sidewalks.
他喜欢拍摄并发布他午休时吃饭的地方——炸玉米饼卡车、墙上的小墨西哥卷饼洞、在人行道上开店的玉米煎饼。
His Instagram handle was @el_tragon_de_los_angeles, the Glutton from Los Angeles.
他的 Instagram 账号是@el_tragon_de_los_angeles，来自洛杉矶的暴食者。
And a website called LA Taco hired him full time.
一个名为 LA Taco 的网站雇用了他全职工作。
He did food reviews for them, like The Giant Taco Hiding Under the 10 Freeway.
他为他们做美食评论，比如隐藏在 10 号高速公路下的巨型玉米卷。
But within a few months, federal agents showed up in the city, and Memo and the rest of the staff at LA Taco switched to covering raids and protests.
但几个月后，联邦特工出现在这座城市，梅莫和洛杉矶塔科的其他员工转而报道突袭和抗议活动。
There wasn't even a big discussion about it.
甚至没有对此进行过大的讨论。
It just made sense.
这是有道理的。
The people they all regularly saw and talked to were now targets.
他们经常见到和交谈的人现在都成为目标。
So the whole organization changed overnight from being a membership-based website with local food and culture stories, with some news, to still being that, plus a home for The Daily Memo.
因此，整个组织一夜之间从一个以会员为基础的网站，提供当地美食和文化故事，还有一些新闻，现在仍然是这样，再加上《每日备忘录》的主页。
One of the top metro reporters for the LA Times says no one else in the city, including the LA Times, is doing this kind of detailed daily accounting.
《洛杉矶时报》的一位顶级地铁记者表示，包括《洛杉矶时报》在内，该市没有其他人进行这种详细的日常统计。
This record Memo started?
这条记录Memo开始了？
This is it.
就是这样。
Memo had a specific audience in mind when he started.
备忘录在开始时就考虑到了特定的受众。
The Daily Memo is in English, partly because he was trying to reach the younger, more online members of Latino families in LA, the ones taking care of paperwork and bureaucracy, the kids of street vendors, gardeners, day laborers, the ones now trying to keep their parents safe.
每日备忘录是英文的，部分原因是他试图接触洛杉矶拉丁裔家庭中更年轻、更上网的成员，他们负责文书工作和官僚机构，街头小贩的孩子，园丁，临时工，现在正努力保护父母的安全。
In The Daily Memo, he would tell the audience what parts of the city and surrounding areas are getting hit, what times of day.
在《每日备忘录》中，他会告诉观众该城市和周边地区的哪些部分以及一天中的什么时间受到了袭击。
And when he saw patterns and trends emerging in the videos, he'd point them out.
当他看到视频中出现的模式和趋势时，他会指出它们。
Every Daily Memo, by the way, starts out with a cartoon taco on the screen and the sound of a bite being taken out.
顺便说一下，每个每日备忘录都是以屏幕上的卡通玉米饼和咬东西的声音开始的。
[BITE CRUNCHES] Memo Torres Today is Thursday, November 6, day 154 of the ICE siege.
[BITE CRUNCHES] Memo Torres 今天是 11 月 6 日，星期四，ICE 围攻的第 154 天。
Most of today's abductions happened on the streets, including questioning a homeless man.
今天的大多数绑架事件都发生在街头，包括盘问一名无家可归的人。
They also raided a U-Haul on Jeronimo and El Toro, which seems to be a new target of theirs, like they just learned that they also have day laborers.
他们还突袭了 Jeronimo 和 El Toro 上的 U-Haul，这似乎是他们的新目标，就像他们刚刚得知他们也有临时工一样。
Well, they took four people from that U-Haul.
嗯，他们从 U 型运输车上带走了四个人。
Another new favorite target-- recycling centers.
另一个新的最受欢迎的目标——回收中心。
They flooded--
他们淹没了——
Memo and Izzy get videos and tips no one else does because they're not outsiders.
Memo 和 Izzy 获得了其他人无法获得的视频和提示，因为他们不是局外人。
They're trusted.
他们是值得信赖的。
Memo was one of the first to track what places were getting raided again and again-- car washes, school dropoff areas, Home Depots.
Memo 是最早追踪哪些地方一次又一次遭到突击搜查的公司之一——洗车场、学校接送区、家得宝。
He knows who they often targeted-- Latinos in work clothes, a lot of older people, 50 plus.
他知道他们经常针对的目标人群是穿着工作服的拉丁裔，还有很多 50 岁以上的老年人。
The Daily Memo tracked the evolution of immigration raids in LA from a hodgepodge of random agents, often in street clothes and with no visible identification, to a more consistent, militarized look-- green Border Patrol vests, sometimes helmets with rifles.
《每日备忘录》追踪了洛杉矶移民突袭的演变过程，从一群随机特工（通常穿着便装、没有明显身份证明），到更加一致的军事化外观——绿色边境巡逻背心，有时戴着步枪头盔。
Over time, there are more videos of agents opening fire on people.
随着时间的推移，特工向人们开枪的视频越来越多。
The first US citizens arrested in Los Angeles were big stories.
第一批在洛杉矶被捕的美国公民是个大新闻。
Now those are common, in LA and elsewhere.
现在，这些在洛杉矶和其他地方都很常见。
When DHS accuses people of assaulting federal agents, The Daily Memo is a place lawyers go to look for videos that may prove them wrong.
当国土安全部指控人们袭击联邦特工时，律师们可以在《每日备忘录》上寻找可能证明他们错误的视频。
And there's one more kind of video in The Daily Memo's archive, these eerie still lifews-- a food cart with meat still sizzling on the grill, but no one's there.
《每日备忘录》的档案中还有另一种视频，这些令人毛骨悚然的静物画——一辆食品车，里面的肉仍在烤架上滋滋作响，但那里没有人。
A row of buckets with bouquets in them.
一排桶，里面装着花束。
A lunch bag left in front of an apartment complex.
一个午餐袋留在公寓大楼前。
The aftermath of someone being taken.
某人被带走后的后果。
Memo showed me a video of a woman stumbling on a gardening truck on a residential street, no one in it or nearby.
备忘录给我看了一段视频，视频中一名妇女在住宅区街道上的一辆园艺卡车上绊倒，车内或附近都没有人。
The open truck bed is full of tools and gear.
开放式卡车车厢里装满了工具和装备。
So we're in Ribidoux, right off of Mission Avenue and Crestmore.
我们位于里比杜 (Ribidoux)，紧邻 Mission Avenue 和 Crestmore。
They got rakes, lawnmowers, blowers, shovels, ladders, pipes.
他们有耙子、割草机、鼓风机、铲子、梯子、管道。
So in that instance, what are you doing?
那么在这种情况下，你在做什么？
Well, we'll just report that we found an abandoned truck.
好吧，我们就报告我们发现了一辆废弃的卡车。
Because a lot of people find out about this stuff through the videos.
因为很多人都是通过视频了解到这些东西的。
They'll comment, that was my cousin.
他们会评论说，那是我的表弟。
That was my dad.
那是我的父亲。
Oh my god, we were wondering where he was at.
天哪，我们想知道他在哪里。
And they'll reach out through the DMs.
他们将通过私信联系我们。
And then I get to talk to them and be like, OK, I'm sorry.
然后我就和他们说话，说，好吧，我很抱歉。
That's how we verify that it was actually an ICE agent.
这就是我们验证它是否确实是 ICE 特工的方法。
I learned two of my former employees, when I had my landscape company, that were deported from some of these videos.
我了解到，当我拥有景观公司时，我的两名前雇员被从其中一些视频中驱逐出境。
I'm like, dude, these are people that I worked with for, like, 15 years.
我想，伙计，这些人跟我一起工作了大概 15 年。
I know them really well.
我非常了解他们。
I know their families.
我认识他们的家人。
At the end of the night, after Memo finished recording The Daily Memo, I sat next to him and pulled up some old black-and-white photos on my phone from the 1950s of Mexican men in work hats lined up to board planes and trains.
那天晚上，Memo 录制完《每日备忘录》后，我坐在他旁边，从手机里调出一些 20 世纪 50 年代的黑白老照片，照片中戴着工作帽的墨西哥男人排队登上飞机和火车。
This is when the government ran another big deportation campaign in California targeting Mexican immigrants and named it after a slur-- Operation Wetback.
当时，政府在加利福尼亚州开展了另一场针对墨西哥移民的大型驱逐行动，并以诽谤性的名称将其命名为“湿背行动”。
And looking at them, one thing really stood out to Memo.
看着它们，有一点对 Memo 来说确实很突出。
There are no chains or shackles.
没有锁链或枷锁。
There's no military gear.
没有军事装备。
There's no rifles.
没有步枪。
Look, it's like Barney Fife right there, right?
看，这就像巴尼法夫就在那里，对吧？
Barney Fife, the bumbling sheriff from The Andy Griffith Show.
巴尼·法夫 (Barney Fife)，《安迪·格里菲斯秀》中笨手笨脚的警长。
I wasn't there, and I won't say that the cruelness wasn't there.
我不在场，我也不会说不存在残酷。
But you don't see the cruelness in the images then as you're seeing it now.
但你不会像现在看到的那样看到当时图像中的残酷。
How will these videos look in 5 years, 20 years, 50?
5年、20年、50年后这些视频会是什么样子？
What are we going to think about them?
我们会对他们怎么想？
Memo's got his mind on the future too.
梅莫也对未来有自己的想法。
He and Izzy are downloading all the videos so they can't disappear.
他和伊兹正在下载所有视频，这样它们就不会消失。
At some point, in some future America, maybe they'll lead to a reckoning.
在某个时刻，在未来的美国，也许它们会导致一场清算。
Well, the program was produced today by Miki Meek and Nadia Reiman, edited by Laura Starecheski.
嗯，该节目今天由 Miki Meek 和 Nadia Reiman 制作，由 Laura Starecheski 编辑。
The people who put together today's show include Phia Bennin, Zoe Chace, Michal Comite, Suzanne Gaber, Angela Gervasi, Cassie Howley, Seth Lind, Molly Marcello, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, Robin Reid, Marisa Robertson-Texter, Ryan Rumery, Alissa Shipp, Ike Sriskandarajah, Christopher Swetala, Nancy Updike, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Phia Bennin、Zoe Chace、Michal Comite、Suzanne Gaber、Angela Gervasi、Cassie Howley、Seth Lind、Molly Marcello、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson、Robin Reid、Marisa Robertson-Texter、Ryan Rumery、Alissa Shipp、Ike Sriskandarajah、Christopher Swetala、Nancy Updike 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor's Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑莎拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Our senior editor's David Kestenbaum.
我们的高级编辑 David Kestenbaum。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Special thanks today to Aisha Wallace-Palomares and Javier Cabrel from LA Taco, Palmira Figueroa, and Pablo Alvarado at National Day Laborer Organizing Network, Jessica Lussenhop, Mattie Weiss, Jamie Schwesnedl, Mike Maguire, Abdirahman Ali, Ana Adlerstein, Eve L.
今天特别感谢来自 LA Taco 的 Aisha Wallace-Palomares 和 Javier Cabrel、国庆劳动者组织网络的 Palmira Figueroa 和 Pablo Alvarado、Jessica Lussenhop、Mattie Weiss、Jamie Schwesnedl、Mike Maguire、Abdirahman Ali、Ana Adlerstein、Eve L.
Ewing, Mariah Woelfel, Scott Ducharme, Peter Mancina, The Central American Resource Center, organizers at the LA Tenants Union, Patricio Emiliano Provencio O'Donoghue, and Khadejeh Nikouyeh.
Ewing、Mariah Woelfel、Scott Ducharme、Peter Mancina、中美洲资源中心、洛杉矶租户联盟的组织者、Patricio Emiliano Provencio O'Donoghue 和 Khadejeh Nikouyeh。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to our entire archive of over 850 shows for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们包含超过 850 个节目的全部档案。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
He loves pretending he's a little joey in Australia, living in a pouch.
他喜欢假装自己是澳大利亚的小乔伊，住在育儿袋里。
I'm in the Kangaroo.
我在袋鼠里
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。