873: Got You Pegged - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass OK.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 好的。
As adults, it's pretty rare to have a moment where you're talking with somebody in your own country, in your own hometown, in your own language, and you have no idea what is actually happening, where things become confusing and not in that "oh, what did he mean by that?" sort of way, but in an I Love Lucy, "how did I get myself into this situation?" kind of confusion.
作为成年人，很少有这样的时刻，当你在自己的国家、自己的家乡、用自己的语言与某人交谈时，你不知道到底发生了什么，事情变得令人困惑，而不是“哦，他这是什么意思？”某种程度上，但在《我爱露西》中，“我是如何让自己陷入这种境地的？”一种混乱。
Like, for example, Amy was back home in Indiana on a break from college.
例如，艾米大学放假回到印第安纳州的家中。
And she was accompanying her brother's high school class on a trip to this health and science museum they have in South Bend called the Healthworks Kids' Museum.
她陪同哥哥的高中班级参观了南本德的健康和科学博物馆，名为 Healthworks 儿童博物馆。
And just to give you a sense of who the characters are in this story, Amy's brother is autistic, and he is developmentally disabled.
为了让您了解这个故事中的角色是谁，艾米的兄弟患有自闭症，并且患有发育障碍。
If you had to picture Ben, I would say picture this really handsome, star athlete-looking guy, who sort of has an age of maybe 5 to 8 years old and loves dinosaurs.
如果你必须想象一下本，我会说想象一下这个非常英俊、看起来像是明星运动员的家伙，他的年龄大概有 5 到 8 岁，喜欢恐龙。
As for Amy, aside from the fact that she's very close to her brother, you can get a good sense of who she is by the conversation that she had with Ben's teacher on the bus with all the developmentally disabled kids driving to this museum.
至于艾米，除了她和她哥哥非常亲近这一事实之外，你还可以通过她和本的老师在公共汽车上与所有发育障碍的孩子开车去这个博物馆的谈话来很好地了解她是谁。
Amy was talking to the teacher about her schoolwork, which, frankly, seems very, very hard.
艾米正在和老师谈论她的功课，坦白说，功课看起来非常非常难。
Amy was majoring in physics and studying in Germany.
艾米在德国主修物理。
In Germany, not only were the classes in German, but we were also using all of these graduate textbooks, and so.
在德国，不仅用德语授课，而且我们还使用所有这些研究生教科书，等等。
But she was really nice, and she just listened to me the whole way over.
但她真的很好，全程都在听我说话。
So they get to the museum.
于是他们就到了博物馆。
And after some videos and some science experiments where they blow things up, it was time to walk around the exhibits.
在观看了一些视频和一些爆炸的科学实验之后，是时候在展品周围走动了。
So during all of this, one of the things that they had been really pushing, they had these new computers that were installed.
因此，在这一切过程中，他们真正推动的事情之一就是安装了这些新计算机。
They were computers designed to walk kids through making a really neat identification card.
这些计算机旨在引导孩子们制作一张非常整洁的身份证。
And they were all really excited about this.
他们都对此感到非常兴奋。
I think they must have just gone live, like, the day before we came because they were all just-- make sure you use our ID computers.
我想他们一定是刚刚上线，就像我们来的前一天一样，因为他们只是——确保你使用我们的身份计算机。
We're so excited about this.
我们对此感到非常兴奋。
And you get to print out your ID, and pick it up at the front desk.
你可以打印出你的身份证，然后到前台领取。
And--
还有——
Right.
对。
Amy And so when we walk out onto the actual museum part, my brother and I walk around, and he shows me some of his favorite exhibits.
艾米所以当我们走进真正的博物馆部分时，我和我的兄弟四处走动，他向我展示了一些他最喜欢的展品。
And this staff member comes up to me, and he says, have you made your ID yet?
这位工作人员走到我面前，他说，你办好身份证了吗？
Now, for a second, it seems a little weird that he would ask one of the adults to make an ID card.
现在，有一瞬间，他让其中一个成年人制作身份证似乎有点奇怪。
But Amy figured it's new.
但艾米认为这是新的。
They're excited for everybody to try this thing, kids and adults.
他们很高兴每个人都尝试这个东西，无论是孩子还是成人。
So her brother ambles off, and she sits down and starts answering the questions on her computer screen.
于是她哥哥慢慢地走了，她坐下来开始回答电脑屏幕上的问题。
And the guy doesn't go away.
那家伙并没有消失。
He keeps finding ways to help her.
他不断寻找方法来帮助她。
Then it occurred to me, oh, well, maybe he's hitting on me a little bit.
然后我突然想到，哦，好吧，也许他对我有一点兴趣。
Which would make sense, but the help that he's giving her keeps getting stranger and stranger.
这是有道理的，但他给她的帮助却变得越来越陌生。
He's giving her instructions for things that no fully functioning adult would ever need instructions for.
他正在给她指示一些功能健全的成年人永远不需要指示的事情。
And Amy wonders, does he think that she is one of the developmentally disabled kids who are wandering all over the museum?
艾米想知道，他是否认为她是在博物馆里闲逛的发育障碍孩子之一？
But at the same time, Amy thought it was completely obvious that she wasn't-- the way she moved, the way she expressed herself.
但与此同时，艾米认为很明显她不是——她的动作方式，她表达自己的方式。
And the guy's manner, his tone of voice was unmistakable.
而且这家伙的态度、语气都毫无疑问。
He talked to her like a peer.
他像同龄人一样和她说话。
I mean, I almost wonder if maybe that was why I was almost paralyzed with confusion.
我的意思是，我几乎怀疑这是否就是我几乎因困惑而瘫痪的原因。
It's really rare to meet people who don't use some kind of special voice with the mentally disabled, this slightly higher pitched, slightly "I know you're a special person" kind of voice.
智障人士不使用某种特殊声音的人确实很少见，这种音调稍高、略带“我知道你是一个特殊的人”的声音。
So it was just-- it was so strange.
所以这实在是太奇怪了。
And then luckily, the very next question that comes up on the computer screen is one that Amy realizes can resolve all of this confusion once and for all, definitively, for the both of them.
幸运的是，艾米意识到电脑屏幕上出现的下一个问题可以一劳永逸地解决他们俩的所有困惑。
So the question is, type in your age.
所以问题是，输入您的年龄。
OK, so I'm 21 years old at the time.
好吧，那我当时21岁了。
So I'm thinking, I can type in 21, and he'll realize that I can't be a student.
所以我想，我可以输入21，他就会意识到我不能是学生。
And we can just both pretend like we understood what was going on this whole time.
我们可以假装我们都明白这段时间发生了什么。
So I type in 21.
所以我输入 21。
And he looks at me, and he looks at the age.
他看着我，又看着我的年龄。
And he says, oh, Amy, you know, if your age is a number that ends in "teen," then that number starts with a 1.
他说，哦，艾米，你知道，如果你的年龄是以“青少年”结尾的数字，那么该数字以 1 开头。
Yeah.
是的。
But I haven't.
但我没有。
So at that point, I decide that instead of saying, OK, oh, actually, I am 21, and then letting that fold out however it would have, I erased what I typed, and I type in 18.
所以在那一点上，我决定不再说，好吧，哦，实际上，我 21 岁，然后让其折叠起来，无论如何，我擦掉我输入的内容，然后输入 18。
Why?
为什么？
Amy Ah-- I don't know.
艾米啊——我不知道。
I mean, I thought, how many more questions could there possibly be?
我想，我的意思是，还能有多少问题？
I've already told them everything about myself, how much I weigh.
我已经告诉他们关于我自己的一切，我的体重。
And then I thought, well, this is just going to be a couple more questions.
然后我想，好吧，这只是几个问题。
And then it'll take a photo of me, and then I'll be done.
然后它会给我拍一张照片，然后我就完成了。
And then he'll never have to know.
然后他就永远不需要知道了。
He's a stranger.
他是个陌生人。
You're in a museum.
你在博物馆里。
This will be over in a minute.
这将在一分钟内结束。
You can walk away.
你可以走开。
Who cares?
谁在乎？
Exactly.
确切地。
I felt like it was the lesser of two evils at that point.
那时我觉得这是两害相权取其轻。
But she is not near the end of the questionnaire-- far from it.
但她距离调查问卷的结束还很远——还很远。
It continues for pages and pages.
它持续一页又一页。
Then there's a set of paragraph-length questions, which require actual concentration.
然后是一组段落长度的问题，需要真正集中注意力。
And while I'm-- fast as I can, I'm skimming these questions, trying to get through these, he starts reading them to me out loud, word for word.
当我尽可能快地浏览这些问题，试图解决这些问题时，他开始逐字逐句地大声朗读给我听。
And I'm sort of melting into my chair, and I'm thinking, this is too much.
我有点融入了我的椅子，我想，这太过分了。
This is way too much of a deception.
这实在是太过于欺骗了。
I have to somehow stop him.
我必须想办法阻止他。
So I did.
所以我做到了。
I said, oh, I can read.
我说，哦，我可以读书。
And then he looks at me.
然后他看着我。
He puts his hand on my back, and he says, your parents must be so proud of you.
他把手放在我的背上，说，你的父母一定为你感到骄傲。
[CHUCKLES] Amy So as you might imagine, I'm working really hard to skim through these questions as quick-- I'm a blur of activity.
[笑]艾米所以正如你想象的那样，我正在非常努力地快速浏览这些问题——我是一个模糊的活动。
I'm just trying to get through these questions so I can get out of this room and escape.
我只是想解决这些问题，这样我就可以离开这个房间并逃跑。
And as I'm working through these questions as fast as I can, I see my brother's teacher walking towards me.
当我尽快解决这些问题时，我看到我哥哥的老师向我走来。
And she says, hey, Amy, how's it going?
她说，嘿，艾米，怎么样？
And you're thinking like, oh my God, what's going to happen?
你会想，天哪，会发生什么？
Oh.
哦。
Oh.
哦。
Yeah.
是的。
And then it happens.
然后事情就发生了。
He points to me, and he says-- again, voice full of admiration and pride.
他指着我，再次说道，语气中充满了钦佩和自豪。
And he says, Amy was just telling me that she can read.
他说，艾米只是告诉我她能读书。
And how does the teacher take this news?
那么老师如何看待这个消息呢？
Oh my gosh!
天哪！
So this teacher, who I'd been complaining to about these graduate-level classes in German and--
所以我一直向这位老师抱怨这些研究生水平的德语课程——
[LAUGHS] Amy [SIGHS] She looks at him, and she says, of course Amy can read.
[笑]艾米[叹气]她看着他，她说，艾米当然会读书。
And then the truth pours out.
然后真相就大白了。
There begins a flurrying of apologizing on all sides, Amy apologizing to the guy, the guy apologizing to Amy, both of them, she says, clutching their own hearts as they do this.
各方开始纷纷道歉，艾米向那个家伙道歉，那个家伙向艾米道歉，他们俩，她说，同时捂着自己的心。
Turns out, he's so careful not to talk down to developmentally disabled students because he himself had a learning disability.
事实证明，他非常小心，不居高临下地对有发育障碍的学生说话，因为他自己也有学习障碍。
And so she had misread what he was doing and why he spoke the way he did, and he misread who she really was.
所以她误解了他在做什么以及他为什么这样说话，而他也误解了她的真实身份。
And in this case, they both discovered the truth.
而在这件事上，他们都发现了真相。
But just as often, people meet and walk away and never straighten this stuff out.
但同样常见的是，人们见面然后走开，却从来没有理顺这些事情。
They assume.
他们假设。
They get it all wrong.
他们全都错了。
And that is the subject of today's program.
这就是今天节目的主题。
From Chicago Public Radio, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥公共广播电台的节目《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's show, I've Got You Pegged-- stories of people assuming all kinds of things about other people, usually in error.
今天的节目《我已经把你盯上了》讲述了人们对其他人做出各种假设的故事，但通常都是错误的。
Our show today in four acts, and it is quite a lineup-- Richard Price, David Rakoff, Shalom Auslander, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的演出有四幕，阵容相当强大——理查德·普莱斯、大卫·拉科夫、沙洛姆·奥斯兰德和南希·厄普代克。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
Today's show is a rerun.
今天的节目是重播。
Act 1, The Fat Blue Line.
第一幕，肥蓝线。
We begin today with a story about something that happens all the time in all kinds of places, something that is so common that it's not even big enough to make it on the local news.
今天我们从一个故事开始，故事讲述的是各种地方经常发生的事情，这些事情太常见了，甚至还不足以登上当地新闻。
Richard Price tells the story, the novelist and screenwriter.
小说家兼编剧理查德·普莱斯讲述了这个故事。
He often writes about cops and crime.
他经常写关于警察和犯罪的文章。
He wrote Clockers.
他写了《时钟》。
He wrote Sea of Love.
他写了《爱的海》。
He wrote for the TV show The Wire.
他为电视节目《火线》撰稿。
He told this story on stage at The Moth in New York back in 2008.
2008 年，他在纽约 The Moth 的舞台上讲述了这个故事。
He describes it as a tale taken from real life and dramatized.
他将其描述为取自现实生活并戏剧化的故事。
In the last novel I wrote, I spent a lot of time on the Lower East Side.
在我写的上一本小说中，我在下东区度过了很多时间。
And as is my wont, I wound up in the back of police cars a lot.
正如我的习惯，我经常坐在警车的后座上。
And the Lower East Side is a very low-crime area right now.
下东区目前是一个犯罪率非常低的地区。
It used to be the worst.
它曾经是最糟糕的。
But Giuliani and real estate pressure took care of that.
但朱利安尼和房地产压力解决了这个问题。
And now they basically have nothing to do down there in terms of crime.
现在他们在那里基本上与犯罪无关。
So what they do is they sort of sit in fake taxis.
所以他们所做的就是坐在假出租车里。
Four beefy white guys sit in a fake taxi by the side of Williamsburg Bridge, and they eyeball what's coming over from Brooklyn.
四个健壮的白人坐在威廉斯堡大桥旁边的一辆假出租车里，他们盯着从布鲁克林过来的东西。
And if the car looks like a $200 shitbox or somebody's got an Afro or a ponytail, they pull up, pull in behind the car, and they wait to see if the guy's going to go all polite in his driving, like put on lane change signals.
如果这辆车看起来像一辆价值 200 美元的垃圾箱，或者有人留着爆炸头或扎着马尾辫，他们就会停下来，停在车后面，然后等着看那个人在驾驶时是否会表现得彬彬有礼，比如打开变道信号灯。
Then they know he's dirty.
然后他们就知道他很脏。
[LAUGHTER] And so worst comes to worse, it's fishing, really.
[笑声]最糟糕的是，真的是钓鱼。
It's a big fishing hole, Delancey Street.
这是一个大钓鱼洞，德兰西街。
And so I spent all night in this bogus taxi with about 850 pounds of white beef.
我就这样带着大约 850 磅的白牛肉在这辆假出租车里度过了一夜。
[LAUGHTER] And it's the end of the night.
[笑声] 今晚就结束了。
They made their collars.
他们制作了衣领。
And there are two cops up front, and I'm sitting in the back.
前面有两个警察，我坐在后面。
When I ride with these guys, I don't really comment about what they do.
当我和这些人一起骑行时，我不会真正评论他们所做的事情。
I don't engage them in any kind of debates.
我不会让他们参与任何形式的辩论。
It's like, I'm there to bear witness and then see what I can do with it in my work.
就好像，我在那里见证，然后看看我能在工作中用它做些什么。
Anyways, they're riding up Essex Street.
无论如何，他们正沿着埃塞克斯街骑行。
It's kind of Miller time.
这是米勒时间。
[LAUGHTER] And as they're going up, they pass a Black guy about 30 years old with dreads on a bicycle.
[笑声] 当他们向上走时，他们经过一个骑自行车的 30 岁左右的黑人。
And on the crossbars, he's got a white kid about 9, 10 years old.
在横梁上，他有一个大约 9、10 岁的白人孩子。
And the Black guy and the white kid, they're kind of chatting.
黑人和白人孩子，他们正在聊天。
The kid's looking up at the guy.
孩子抬头看着那个家伙。
They look like they're sort of familiar with each other.
他们看起来彼此有些熟悉。
And the cops drive by, and they're dead silent.
警察开车经过，他们一言不发。
After about a block, one guy says to the other, says, hey, big guy, does that look fishy to you?
大约一个街区后，一个人对另一个人说，嘿，大家伙，你觉得这看起来很可疑吗？
He says, it's fucking midnight.
他说，现在已经半夜了。
What's going on here?
这是怎么回事？
They said, well, what do you want to do, big guy?
他们说，好吧，大个子，你想做什么？
So I'll tell you, big guy.
那我就告诉你吧，大佬。
All right, make the light.
好吧，开灯吧。
Pull over.
套衫。
Let's see what's what.
让我们看看是什么。
So they pull over.
所以他们靠边停车。
Bike's coming up Essex.
自行车即将抵达埃塞克斯。
One of the cops steps in the road, puts his hand down, and says, hey, how you doing?
一名警察走到路上，放下手，说，嘿，你好吗？
Get off the bike, please.
请下车。
And the Black guy gets off the bike, and he goes, hey, officers, like it's an unexpected treat-- you know, hi, what's up?
黑人下了自行车，他说，嘿，警官们，就像这是一个意想不到的款待一样——你知道，嗨，怎么了？
[LAUGHTER] And he says, did you ever hear of helmets?
[笑声]他说，你听说过头盔吗？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Gee, I'm really sorry.
哎呀，真的很抱歉。
At which point, the other cop says to the little white kid, he says, hey, big guy, what's your name?
这时，另一名警察对那个白人小孩子说，嘿，大个子，你叫什么名字？
He goes, um, Noah Rosenberg?
他去了，嗯，诺亚·罗森伯格？
Like he's not sure.
就像他不确定一样。
He says, hey, Noah, come here, buddy.
他说，嘿，诺亚，过来，伙计。
Come on over here.
过来吧。
And he separates the two.
他将两者分开。
And I'm sort of hopping in between the two conversations at this point.
此时我正在两次谈话之间跳来跳去。
And the Black guy tries to follow the white kid, and the other cop puts his hand on his chest and he says, no, you stay over here.
黑人试图跟随白人孩子，另一名警察把手放在胸前，他说，不，你呆在这里。
Let me see some ID.
让我看一下身份证。
He says, what?
他说，什么？
He says, some ID.
他说，一些身份证。
He says, don't look at him.
他说，别看他。
Look at me.
看着我。
He says, no, no, I was just picking him up from a play date.
他说，不，不，我只是去接他去玩。
Did I ask you that?
我有问过你这个问题吗？
No, no. You don't understand.
不，不。你不明白。
I work the bar at Schiller's.
我在席勒酒吧工作。
And again, did I ask you that?
再说一遍，我有问过你这个问题吗？
Well, no. He said, why are you trying to divert me?
嗯，不。他说，你为什么要转移我的注意力？
He said, go down the same road as me.
他说，跟我走同一条路吧。
He goes, OK, OK.
他说，好吧，好吧。
And he gives him the ID, and at which point, he sort of waves to the kid.
他给了他身份证，然后他向孩子挥手致意。
And he goes, oh, what did I just say to you?
他说，哦，我刚才对你说什么了？
He says, no, no, I'm really sorry.
他说，不，不，我真的很抱歉。
It's Noah.
是诺亚。
He's kind of wound a little tight.
他的伤口有点紧。
He says, oh, really?
他说，哦，真的吗？
He says, have a seat, and he points to the curb.
他说，请坐，然后指着路边。
He makes the guy sit on the curb with his feet in the gutter.
他让那家伙坐在路边，把脚放在排水沟里。
And he says, so where are you going?
他说，那你要去哪里？
He says, well, I had the late shift.
他说，好吧，我值晚班。
And he says, it's kind of late to be driving around with a kid on a bike, isn't it?
他说，带着孩子骑自行车到处走有点晚了，不是吗？
At which point, I leave those two, and I go over to Noah and the other cop.
这时，我离开了那两个人，走向诺亚和另一名警察。
And he says, so your name's Noah, huh?
他说，那么你的名字叫诺亚，是吧？
And the kid says, yes.
孩子说，是的。
And for the millionth time, I don't have an ark.
这是第一百万次，我没有方舟。
[LAUGHTER] And the cop says, boy, you must get that a lot.
[笑声] 警察说，孩子，你一定经常这样。
The kid goes, oh, my God, you have no idea.
孩子说，天哪，你不知道。
And he says, so Noah, how old are you?
他说，诺亚，你多大了？
He says, well, next week, I'll be a decade old.
他说，好吧，下周我就十岁了。
Well, that's great.
嗯，那太好了。
Great.
伟大的。
And where do you live?
你住在哪里？
He says, 333 Avenue B.
他说，B 大道 333 号。
He says, and you go to school around here?
他说，你在这附近上学吗？
He says, yes, I go to the Earth School.
他说，是的，我去地球学校。
And he says, oh, cool.
他说，哦，酷。
And who do you live with?
你和谁住在一起？
He says, I live with my mom.
他说，我和妈妈住在一起。
And he goes, who's that over there?
他走了，那边是谁？
He says, well, I don't know who your friend is, but my friend is Cleve.
他说，好吧，我不知道你的朋友是谁，但我的朋友是克利夫。
And he says, oh, do you know what Cleve's last name is?
他说，哦，你知道克利夫姓什么吗？
He says, yeah, Carter.
他说，是的，卡特。
Cleve Carter.
克利夫·卡特.
Sometimes I call him Coca-Cola.
有时我叫他可口可乐。
Sometimes I call him Carbon Copy.
有时我称他为复写。
[LAUGHTER] He says, oh, do you know him for long?
[笑声]他说，哦，你认识他很久了吗？
I said, well, yeah, like 1, 1 and 1/4 years.
我说，嗯，是的，比如 1、1 又 1/4 年。
He's kind of like my godfather since my other godfather died.
自从我的另一位教父去世后，他有点像我的教父。
Oh.
哦。
And what do you guys do?
你们是做什么的？
Well, he was taking me home from a play date to my mom's.
嗯，他正在带我从一次玩耍约会回家到我妈妈家。
Says, so he knows your mom?
说，所以他认识你妈妈？
And he says, well, yeah, he and my mom are kind of like friends.
他说，嗯，是的，他和我妈妈有点像朋友。
He says, well, kind of like?
他说，嗯，有点像？
Well, they have sleepover dates.
嗯，他们有过夜约会。
[LAUGHTER] And he says, so your mom knows that you're with him now?
[笑声] 他说，所以你妈妈知道你现在和他在一起了？
He says, well, my mom sent him to pick me up.
他说，好吧，我妈妈派他来接我。
My dad lives in Woodstock.
我爸爸住在伍德斯托克。
He said, OK, at which point, I'm going, OK, let's see what's happening with Cleve.
他说，好吧，那么我就说，好吧，让我们看看克利夫发生了什么。
I walk over there.
我走过去。
Cleve's sitting on-- he's sitting on the curb, and he's got his feet out there.
克利夫坐在——他坐在路边，他的脚就在那里。
And he's trying to make it look like it's natural.
他试图让它看起来很自然。
So he's massaging his deep thigh muscles like he's limbering up for the marathon or something.
所以他正在按摩大腿深处的肌肉，就像他在为马拉松或其他什么活动做准备一样。
It's just humiliating as shit.
简直就是耻辱如粪土。
And he's kind of smiling because you can't win.
他有点微笑，因为你赢不了。
You got to play through.
你必须玩完。
And he's sitting there.
他就坐在那里。
And the other cop is hitting his driver's license with a mag light, one of those big powerful flashlights.
另一名警察正在用磁力灯（一种大功率手电筒）照他的驾驶执照。
And he goes, so Cleveland, I see you're from Ohio.
他说，克利夫兰，我看到你来自俄亥俄州。
And he says--
他说——
[LAUGHTER] He says, yeah.
[笑声]他说，是的。
He says, Cleveland from Ohio.
他说，来自俄亥俄州的克利夫兰。
He says, well, actually, it's from Oxford.
他说，嗯，实际上，它来自牛津。
And the guy goes, oh, Miami College.
那个人说，哦，迈阿密学院。
And he goes, yeah, yeah, that's where I went.
他说，是的，是的，这就是我去过的地方。
And the cop goes, oh, Wally Szczerbiak, who's this big basketball player.
警察说，哦，沃利·斯泽比亚克，他是个伟大的篮球运动员。
And he goes, well, yeah, Wally was a little before my time.
他说，嗯，是的，沃利比我的时代早了一点。
He said, oh, did you play ball for them, too?
他说，哦，你也为他们打球吗？
He said, well, not basketball, I played soccer.
他说，好吧，我不打篮球，我踢足球。
Oh, that's amazing because I teach soccer.
哦，这太棒了，因为我教足球。
I coach soccer out on the island, the kids' league.
我在岛上担任儿童足球联赛的教练。
And he says, that's amazing.
他说，这太棒了。
I keep waiting for that sport to blow up.
我一直在等待这项运动的爆发。
But I don't think it's-- you know.
但我不认为这是——你知道的。
And Cleveland's going, yeah, yeah, that's amazing, sitting just like this, at which point a Mustang comes by with two Black guys in it and-- up Essex.
克利夫兰要去，是的，是的，太棒了，就像这样坐着，这时一辆野马开过来，车上有两个黑人，然后是埃塞克斯。
And the guy in the shotgun seat looks out the window, and he sees Cleveland sitting on the curb.
坐在霰弹枪座位上的人向窗外望去，他看到克利夫兰坐在路边。
And he starts yelling out, homeboy to base, homeboy to base.
他开始大喊大叫，从家乡人到基地，从家乡人到基地。
We got a Black man down.
我们打倒了一名黑人。
I repeat, a Black man down.
我再说一遍，一个黑人倒下了。
[LAUGHTER] And he's laughing his ass off.
[笑声]他笑得前仰后合。
And the Mustang floors it.
野马则把它打平了。
And Cleveland's kind of squinting, and he's kind of looking the other way.
克利夫兰有点眯眼，他有点看向别处。
He's just like, mortified.
他就像，羞愧。
And hopping back to the other cop with the kid, he says, so Noah, does Cleveland live with you?
他带着孩子跳回另一个警察身边，说道，诺亚，克利夫兰和你住在一起吗？
He goes, no, Cleveland lives at 444 Avenue D.
他说，不，克利夫兰住在 D 大道 444 号。
We live at 332 Avenue B.
我们住在 B 大道 332 号。
He says, well, you ever been over to his house?
他说，那你去过他家吗？
He says, only about a million times.
他说，只有大约一百万次。
And he says, mostly with your mom, I guess, huh?
他说，我猜，主要是和你妈妈一起，是吧？
He says, and by myself.
他说，而且是我自己说的。
He said, oh, really?
他说，哦，真的吗？
What do you do there?
你在那里做什么？
And he says, well, sometimes we walk his dog.
他说，好吧，有时我们会遛他的狗。
It's a Rhodesian Ridgeback named Mars.
这是一只罗德西亚脊背犬，名叫火星。
And one time, he tried to teach me how to make scrambled eggs.
有一次，他试图教我如何做炒鸡蛋。
But I don't really like his oven because you light the pilot match, and it goes, fwoosh.
但我不太喜欢他的烤箱，因为你点燃火柴，火柴就会发出“嗖”的一声。
And it scares me.
这让我害怕。
And he says, one time, my mom had to go to court in Woodstock, and I stayed with Cleveland for three days.
他说，有一次，我妈妈不得不去伍德斯托克出庭，我在克利夫兰呆了三天。
And he said, in court, huh?
他说，在法庭上，嗯？
He said, yeah.
他说，是啊。
Three days?
三天？
He said, yeah.
他说，是啊。
He said, but mostly, I'd say 82 and 1/2% of the time we watch television.
他说，但大多数情况下，我会说我们有 82 又 1/2% 的时间看电视。
You and Cleveland?
你和克利夫兰？
He said, yeah, me and Cleveland.
他说，是的，我和克利夫兰。
He goes-- and the cop said to him, do you ever do anything else with him?
他走了——警察对他说，你还对他做过别的事吗？
And he goes, what?
他走了，什么？
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
He goes, do you do anything else with him?
他走了，你还陪他做什么吗？
And all of a sudden, the kid's eyes get really big and kind of wet, like steel.
突然间，孩子的眼睛变得很大，有点湿润，像钢铁一样。
And the kid starts kind of-- kind of breathing kind of heavy.
孩子开始呼吸有点粗重。
And the cop starts shaking a little bit.
警察开始有点颤抖。
And the cop says to him, he says, hey, Noah, look at this.
警察对他说，他说，嘿，诺亚，看看这个。
And he pulls his jacket back, and he shows him his detective shield on his belt.
他把夹克拉回来，给他看了腰带上的侦探盾牌。
He says, do you know what that is?
他说，你知道那是什么吗？
He says, yeah, it's a police badge.
他说，是的，这是警察徽章。
He says, you know what this means?
他说，你知道这意味着什么吗？
He says, what?
他说，什么？
He says, that means you can tell me anything you want, and you'll be perfectly safe.
他说，这意味着你可以告诉我任何你想要的事情，而且你会非常安全。
Do you understand that?
你明白吗？
And the kid looks at him, and he goes, oh, my god, are you going to arrest him?
那孩子看着他，然后说，哦，天哪，你要逮捕他吗？
And the cop-- his heart's pumping Kool-Aid, and he starts moving over.
警察——他的心在狂跳，他开始走过去。
And he says, why?
他说，为什么？
And the kid goes, if you fucking assholes arrest him again one more time just because he's Black, and I'm not, I'm going to kill myself.
那孩子说，如果你们这些混蛋再次逮捕他，仅仅因为他是黑人，而我不是，我就自杀。
You came into my apartment and dragged him out because the crazy lady next door said he was a rapist.
你走进我的公寓把他拖了出来，因为隔壁那个疯女人说他是强奸犯。
You put him in handcuffs when he came to pick me up at school.
当他来学校接我时，你给他戴上手铐。
You pulled him away from me at the street fair and made me wait for my mom.
你在街头集市上把他从我身边拉开，让我等我妈妈。
I swear to God, I'm going to lose my mind.
我向上帝发誓，我会失去理智的。
And the cops go, whoa, easy, easy, easy.
警察就说，哇，容易，容易，容易。
At which point, both cops are looking at each other like, well, what's going on?
就在这时，两个警察面面相觑，问道，到底发生了什么事？
And all of a sudden, Cleveland sees the kid's losing it, and he goes, hey, Noah, buddy.
突然之间，克利夫兰发现这孩子正在失去它，他说，嘿，诺亚，伙计。
And the cop goes, what did I just say to you?
警察说，我刚才对你说什么了？
Stop talking to the kid.
别再跟孩子说话了
And at which point, Cleveland says, Officer, do you want to put this to rest?
克利夫兰说：“警官，你想结束这件事吗？”
I tell you what.
我告诉你什么。
I'm reaching for my cell phone in here.
我正伸手去拿我的手机。
He says, why don't you call-- why don't you call the kid's mom and just see what's going on?
他说，你为什么不打电话给孩子的妈妈，看看发生了什么事？
He says, I'll call the kid's mom.
他说，我去给孩子妈妈打电话。
He says, what's her name?
他说，她叫什么名字？
She goes, Idina.
她走了，伊迪娜。
And he calls across to the other cop, get the kid's mother's name.
他打电话给另一名警察，询问孩子母亲的名字。
And the kid, through sobs, is going, Idina.
那孩子抽泣着要走了，伊迪娜。
And Cleveland gives the cop the mother's number.
克利夫兰向警察提供了母亲的电话号码。
The cop calls, and he says, hey, how you doing?
警察打来电话，他说，嘿，你好吗？
This is Sergeant Daley from the 7th Precinct.
我是第七分局的戴利中士。
Who am I speaking to?
我在跟谁说话？
And she goes, oh, my god, Idina Rosenberg.
她说，哦，天啊，伊迪娜·罗森伯格。
What happened?
发生了什么？
He goes, nothing happened.
他走了，什么也没发生。
I just need to know, do you know where your son is right now?
我只想知道，你知道你儿子现在在哪里吗？
At which point, she freaks.
就在这时，她惊慌失措。
She goes, where is he?
她走了，他在哪儿？
What happened?
发生了什么？
He's supposed to be with Cleveland.
他应该和克利夫兰在一起。
He's supposed to be taking him home from a play date.
他应该在一场比赛结束后带他回家。
What happened?
发生了什么？
What happened?
发生了什么？
What happened?
发生了什么？
Well, no, no, no. He's fine.
嗯，不，不，不。他很好。
OK.
好的。
At which point, the kid goes, my mom says, if I get any more nervous, I'm going to have to live with my father in Woodstock, you fuck!
这时，孩子走了，我妈妈说，如果我再紧张的话，我就得和我父亲一起住在伍德斯托克，你操！
And the cops are going, no, no, no, the kid's great.
警察走了，不，不，不，这孩子很棒。
The kid's fine.
孩子没事。
The only thing is, they were riding without helmets.
唯一的问题是，他们骑车时没有戴头盔。
And it's a serious safety violation.
这是严重的安全违规行为。
And she's just going, oh, my god.
她只是说，哦，天啊。
Oh, Jesus.
哦，耶稣。
She says, no, no, no. OK, don't worry about it.
她说，不，不，不。好吧，不用担心。
All right.
好的。
All right.
好的。
All right.
好的。
Good night.
晚安。
Have a good night, and hangs up.
祝你晚安，然后挂断电话。
At which point, they bring Cleveland and Noah together again, and they give them this half-assed lecture on bicycle safety.
这时，他们再次将克利夫兰和诺亚聚集在一起，并对他们进行了关于自行车安全的半途而废的讲座。
And he says, I'm supposed to write you up, but I'm going to give you a pass this time.
他说，我应该给你写信，但这次我会给你通过。
And Cleveland's still kind of smiling, but the smile doesn't go past here.
克利夫兰仍然在微笑，但微笑并没有从这里消失。
It never reaches his eyes.
它永远不会到达他的眼睛。
And he gets back on the bike, and the kid gets on the handlebars.
然后他又骑上自行车，孩子也上了车把。
And the kid's going through that post-crying jag, shudder withdrawal.
孩子正在经历哭泣后的痛苦、颤抖的退缩。
And Cleveland's kind of talking him down as he sort of pushes off, and they go disappear up Essex.
当他推开时，克利夫兰有点劝说他，然后他们就消失在埃塞克斯。
And we get back in the police car.
我们回到警车里。
And I'm sitting in the back.
我坐在后面。
I'm not saying a fucking thing.
我不是在说他妈的事。
And they go in dead silence for about two blocks.
他们死一般寂静地走了大约两个街区。
And one cop finally says to the other, he says, you know something, big guy?
一名警察最后对另一名警察说，他说，你知道吗，大个子？
And the other guy says, what's that, big guy?
另一个人说，那是什么，大个子？
He says, still feels fishy to me.
他说，我还是觉得可疑。
[LAUGHTER] And the other cop says, hey, we gave it a shot, man.
[笑声]另一个警察说，嘿，我们试了一下，伙计。
That's all we can do.
这就是我们能做的。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Richard Price.
理查德·普莱斯。
His latest novel is called Lazarus Man.
他的最新小说名为《拉撒路人》。
The story was recorded by The Moth, which, of course, is a podcast with all kinds of stories like the one you just heard at themoth.org, or find it wherever you get your podcasts.
这个故事是由 The Moth 录制的，当然，它是一个包含各种故事的播客，就像您刚刚在 themoth.org 上听到的故事一样，或者在您获得播客的任何地方都可以找到它。
Act 2, Yes, No, or Baby.
第二幕，是，否，还是宝贝。
Well, there's a simple rule designed to help us all fight the urge to pigeonhole other people based on a first impression.
嗯，有一个简单的规则旨在帮助我们所有人抵制根据第一印象对他人进行分类的冲动。
And I speak, of course, of don't judge a book by its cover.
当然，我想说的是不要以貌取人。
But this axiom, this adage, this maxim, is deeply flawed, and not just because of its annoyingly scoldy self-righteousness.
但这条公理、这条格言、这条格言有很大的缺陷，而不仅仅是因为它令人恼火的自以为是的责骂。
The fact is, there are times in life where you must judge a person based on woefully little information crammed into some cover letter, or something like that, that they have put together.
事实上，生活中有时你必须根据求职信或类似内容中塞满的少得可怜的信息来判断一个人。
One of our show's producers, Nancy Updike, visited somebody in this very judgy situation.
我们节目的制片人之一南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）拜访了处于这种非常挑剔的情况下的某人。
Anyone who's not a megalomaniac feels daunted by the prospect of having to separate a group of strangers into a yes pile and a no pile.
任何一个不是自大狂的人都会因为不得不将一群陌生人分成“是”和“不是”的前景而感到畏惧。
Kim Schwary is seven months pregnant, and she's facing on her coffee table in Seattle dozens of one-page letters from couples who want to adopt her baby.
金·施瓦里 (Kim Schwary) 已经怀孕七个月了，她在西雅图的咖啡桌上摆着几十封一页纸的来信，来自那些想要收养她孩子的夫妇。
Individually, each letter seems like not enough information, and collectively, they are way, way too much.
单独来看，每封信似乎都没有足够的信息，但总的来说，它们的信息太多了。
The first time she read through them, they melted into an indistinguishable mass of thoughtful, intelligent, fun-loving, mutually supportive, healthy, active, outdoorsy couples.
当她第一次读到它们时，它们融为一体，融为一体，是一群深思熟虑、聪明、有趣、相互支持、健康、活跃、喜欢户外活动的夫妻。
A lot of the hobbies are similar, just hiking, couples from the Northwest, too, I'm sure that's common.
很多爱好都是相似的，就是徒步旅行，西北来的情侣也一样，我相信这很常见。
So like even just this page-- hiking, snowshoeing, camping.
就像这一页一样——徒步旅行、雪鞋行走、露营。
And if you turn to the next page, is there also a hiking part?
而翻到下一页，是不是也有徒步的部分呢？
Let's see.
让我们来看看。
Probably.
大概。
Oh, yes, hiking.
哦，对了，徒步旅行。
There you go.
就这样吧。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Kim's doing an open adoption, which means that she will have a relationship with the family who adopts her child for the rest of her life.
金正在进行公开收养，这意味着她将与收养她孩子的家庭保持终生的关系。
The cover letters are just the beginning of a long, long process.
求职信只是一个漫长过程的开始。
The whole thing is sort of like super high stakes online dating.
整件事有点像超高风险的在线约会。
Judging people is required.
判断人是需要的。
Kim goes back and forth between practical considerations and pure gut checks.
金在实际考虑和纯粹的直觉检查之间来回徘徊。
Here's something.
这是一些东西。
This couple has another child, and they're talking-- I don't know.
这对夫妇还有另一个孩子，他们正在谈论——我不知道。
They use kind of like child talk when they're talking about him.
当他们谈论他时，他们使用的方式有点像儿语。
Like, it says something about "kissing his boo-boos" or something.
比如，它说的是“亲吻他的嘘声”之类的。
And that kind of-- I don't know.
那种——我不知道。
I don't like that very much.
我不太喜欢这样。
Kim ends up liking a different couple that already has a little boy.
金最终喜欢上了另一对已经有了小男孩的夫妇。
She likes the idea that her baby would have a sibling.
她喜欢她的孩子有一个兄弟姐妹的想法。
She weeds out a family that seems to her too religious.
她淘汰了一个在她看来过于虔诚的家庭。
And later, she frowns on a couple who both have high-powered jobs that they write about at length.
后来，她对一对夫妇皱起了眉头，他们都从事着高权力的工作，他们详细地写下了这些工作。
She wonders if they'd be home enough for the baby.
她想知道他们是否能在家照顾孩子。
These guys, I could see them working 50, 60 hours a week because of their careers.
这些人，因为他们的职业生涯，我可以看到他们每周工作 50、60 个小时。
A few pages later, Kim makes a face when a couple says they're "relational people."
几页后，当一对夫妇说他们是“有关系的人”时，金做了个鬼脸。
I'm wondering exactly what that meant.
我想知道这到底是什么意思。
There's this whole packet of information, and then I'll focus on this sentence that maybe I don't like.
有一整套信息，然后我将重点关注这句话，也许我不喜欢。
And that makes me feel like I'm really kind of judgmental when I do this.
这让我觉得当我这样做时我真的很有判断力。
And sometimes that doesn't always feel good.
有时这并不总是感觉很好。
See, and this is something really small, but for some reason, it's-- it says, "the opportunity to have a relationship with the child's biological heritage is very important, including medical history." I just-- that feels kind of weird to me.
看，这确实是一件很小的事情，但出于某种原因，它说，“与孩子的生物遗产建立关系的机会非常重要，包括病史。”我只是——这对我来说感觉有点奇怪。
It's a little clinical.
这有点临床意义。
Kim Schwary Right, it is a little clinical.
Kim Schwary 是的，这有点临床化。
I want to be more than medical records, so.
我想要的不仅仅是医疗记录，所以。
So that kind of put you off right there?
那么这让你感到厌烦吗？
Yeah.
是的。
So it goes back to that judgmental thing, you know?
所以这又回到了评判的问题，你知道吗？
Because I mean, I've written things, and maybe that's not how they meant to portray themselves, but it does, like you said, sound very clinical, and-- yeah.
因为我的意思是，我写过一些东西，也许这不是他们想要描绘自己的方式，但它确实，就像你说的，听起来非常临床，而且——是的。
Just like Kim's having to quickly peg these families, extrapolating all sorts of important things from just words on a page and a few pictures, she's finding that as a single woman, pregnant, people are making all kinds of assumptions about her.
就像金必须快速将这些家庭联系起来，从一页纸上的文字和几张图片中推断出各种重要的事情一样，她发现作为一个怀孕的单身女性，人们对她做出了各种各样的假设。
Co-workers assume she's married and starting a family.
同事们认为她已经结婚并组建了家庭。
Those are awkward conversations.
这些都是尴尬的谈话。
And if she tells someone what's really going on, that she's putting the baby up for adoption, she better be prepared for a lecture.
如果她告诉别人到底发生了什么，她要把孩子送人收养，她最好做好听课的准备。
I mean, you're really kind of vulnerable when you're pregnant.
我的意思是，当你怀孕时，你真的很脆弱。
And you're kind of-- you're vulnerable to judgment, I guess.
我想，你很容易受到评判。
People are very prone to-- once you say what you're doing, they tell you what they would do and not do.
人们很容易——一旦你说出你在做什么，他们就会告诉你他们会做什么、不会做什么。
And they want to be like, oh, I think you're going to be really upset.
他们想要说，哦，我想你会非常沮丧。
And I think this.
我认为这一点。
And I'm like, no, I think maybe you're the one who's upset, not me.
我想，不，我想也许你是那个心烦意乱的人，而不是我。
But--
但是——
She says some people are utterly convinced that adoption is just a bad idea all around, which Kim takes personally since she was adopted.
她说，有些人完全相信收养根本就是一个坏主意，自从金被收养以来，她就认为这是针对她个人的。
It's one of the reasons she didn't want to get an abortion.
这也是她不想堕胎的原因之一。
People feel that if you're adopted that you have this great sense of loss, or you just don't know who you are, and there's some identity-- there's an identity crisis, and you feel abandoned.
人们觉得，如果你被收养，你就会有一种巨大的失落感，或者你只是不知道自己是谁，而且有一些身份——存在身份危机，你会感到被遗弃。
And that's not how I felt with my experience.
根据我的经历，我的感受并非如此。
Being adopted?
被领养？
Kim Schwary Being adopted, exactly.
金·施瓦里 (Kim Schwary) 确实是被收养的。
I felt very loved by my parents.
我感到父母非常爱我。
The baby's father told me that he thought that-- I don't know why he said this, but he said that-- or he kind of assumed and said this, that he was so much closer to his parents than I was to mine, which isn't true at all.
孩子的父亲告诉我，他认为——我不知道他为什么这么说，但他这么说——或者他有点假设并这么说，他和他父母的关系比我和我父母的关系要近得多，但这根本不是事实。
[LAUGHS] And it's just-- that's how he felt things must be.
[笑]这就是——他觉得事情一定是这样的。
I waited till just about the end of my interview with Kim to confess that I'd had her pegged all wrong before I spoke to her.
直到与金的采访即将结束时，我才承认我对她的看法完全错误，然后才与她交谈。
I thought she'd be a teenager, confused.
我以为她是个青少年，很困惑。
But Kim is 27, has her own apartment, a good job.
但金今年 27 岁，有自己的公寓，有一份好工作。
Right.
正确的。
I'm in a situation where it would be very feasible that I would raise the child on my own.
我现在的情况是，我一个人抚养孩子是非常可行的。
So it's probably harder to understand.
所以可能比较难理解。
OK, so people are making that judgment about you.
好吧，人们正在对你做出这样的判断。
What don't they know about you that would make them understand?
关于你，他们有哪些不了解却能让他们理解的事情？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I kind of have this unusual kind of circumstances that I was engaged, and my fiancé passed away.
我有一种不寻常的情况，我订婚了，但我的未婚夫去世了。
And after that, I kind of think I was lonely and looking for someone.
在那之后，我觉得我很孤独，正在寻找一个人。
I feel like I made a mistake, you know?
我感觉我犯了一个错误，你知道吗？
I still miss my fiancé and think about him all the time.
我仍然想念我的未婚夫，时时刻刻都在想着他。
And I just-- I don't feel like I'm emotionally ready to raise a child.
我只是——我觉得我在情感上还没有准备好抚养孩子。
I feel like I could.
我感觉我可以。
But I just feel like it's not the right time.
但我只是觉得现在还不是时候。
And--
还有——
Nancy Updike Especially if it's something that you guys talked about doing together, and here you are.
南希·厄普代克：特别是如果这是你们谈论一起做的事情，而你就在这里。
Right, exactly.
对，完全正确。
I mean, we were always going to have kids together.
我的意思是，我们总是要一起生孩子。
And here I am, single and pregnant with some guy, who's just a kind of insignificant fellow.
而我在这里，单身，怀着一个男人，他只是一个微不足道的家伙。
And it certainly isn't-- things aren't going in the way that they were supposed to or as planned.
当然不是——事情没有按照他们应该或计划的方式进行。
And-- right.
而且——对。
Kim doesn't go into her reasons with most people, so they make assumptions about her that she doesn't bother to correct.
金不会向大多数人解释她的理由，所以他们对她做出了一些假设，而她懒得去纠正。
And she flips through dozens of letters from couples and makes assumptions about them that they'll never get a chance to respond to.
她翻阅了几十封情侣的来信，并对他们做出了一些假设，但他们永远没有机会回复。
It's the way of the world.
这是世界之道。
Everyone's a judge, and everyone's the accused.
每个人都是法官，每个人都是被告。
And every day, things aren't going the way they were supposed to or as planned.
每一天，事情都不会按照预期或计划进行。
Nancy Updike is one of the producers of our program.
南希·厄普代克是我们节目的制作人之一。
Act 3, Isn't It Romantic?
第三幕，是不是很浪漫？
Well, our show today is about people jumping to conclusions about what others are like.
好吧，我们今天的节目是关于人们对他人的性格妄下结论的。
And what we turn to now is corny, stereotyped ideas people have, and in this case, put into Broadway shows.
我们现在要讨论的是人们的陈词滥调、刻板的想法，在这种情况下，这些想法被投入到百老汇的演出中。
This story is about a kind of iconic, old musical, the show Rent.
这个故事是关于一种标志性的古老音乐剧《吉屋出租》。
And when that show came out in the 1990s, one of our contributors, David Rakoff, was not a fan.
当这部剧在 20 世纪 90 年代播出时，我们的贡献者之一 David Rakoff 还不是它的粉丝。
That show-- maybe you've seen it, or you've seen the movie-- was about New Yorkers in their 20s.
那个节目——也许你看过它，或者你看过电影——讲述的是 20 多岁的纽约人。
David Rakoff had been a New Yorker in his 20s during the same era depicted in that show, and he thought the play made some mistakes.
大卫·拉科夫 (David Rakoff) 是一名 20 多岁的纽约人，与剧中描绘的时代处于同一时期，他认为这部剧犯了一些错误。
[LAUGHTER] I learned that from watching Rent.
[笑声]我是从《吉屋出租》中了解到这一点的。
From watching Rent, I also learned that the best way to mark the passing of these 525,600 minutes would be to measure them out into something Jonathan Larson, the writer of the musical, called "seasons of love." What does that even mean, "seasons of love"?
通过观看《吉屋出租》，我还了解到，纪念这 525,600 分钟过去的最好方法是将其衡量为音乐剧作家乔纳森·拉尔森（Jonathan Larson）所说的“爱的季节”。 “爱的季节”到底是什么意思？
In Rent, the characters live out their seasons of love in huge lofts.
在《吉屋出租》中，角色们在巨大的阁楼里度过了他们的爱情季节。
Some of them have AIDS, which is coincidentally also the name of a dreaded global pandemic that is still raging and has killed millions of people worldwide.
他们中的一些人患有艾滋病，巧合的是，艾滋病也是一种可怕的全球流行病的名称，这种流行病仍在肆虐，并已在全世界造成数百万人死亡。
In Rent, however, AIDS seems to be a disease that renders one cuter and cuter.
然而，在《吉屋出租》中，艾滋病似乎是一种使人变得越来越可爱的疾病。
The characters are artists, creative types.
人物是艺术家、创意类型。
They have tatterdemalion clothes.
他们的衣服破烂不堪。
Some of them are homosexual, and the ones who aren't homosexual don't even seem to mind.
他们中有些人是同性恋，而那些非同性恋者似乎并不介意。
They screen their calls, and when it is their parents, they roll their eyes.
他们会筛选自己的电话，当接到父母的电话时，他们就会翻白眼。
They hate their parents.
他们讨厌他们的父母。
[LAUGHTER] They are never going back to Larchmont, no way.
[笑声]他们永远不会回到拉奇蒙特，不可能。
They will stay here, living in their 2,000 square feet of picturesque poverty, being sexually free and creative.
他们将留在这里，生活在 2,000 平方英尺的风景如画的贫困中，性自由且富有创造力。
Here are some ways to broadcast creativity in a movie.
以下是在电影中传播创造力的一些方法。
Start plinking out a tune on a piano.
开始在钢琴上弹奏一首曲子。
Scratch a few notes on some music paper.
在乐谱纸上写下一些音符。
Plink some more.
再敲几下。
Suddenly crash both hands down on the keyboard.
突然双手按在键盘上。
Then bring them quickly up to your head, and grab the hair at your temple, screaming, it won't work!
然后快速地把它们举到你的头上，抓住你太阳穴的头发，尖叫，不行！
Or sit at a typewriter, reading the page you've just written.
或者坐在打字机前，阅读您刚刚写的页面。
Realize that it's shit, and tear it from the platen and toss it behind you.
意识到它是狗屎，然后把它从压板上撕下来扔到身后。
Cut to wastepaper basket overflowing with crumpled paper.
切到装满皱巴巴的纸的废纸篓。
Here's what they do in Rent to show that they are creative-- nothing!
他们在《吉屋出租》中这样做是为了显示他们的创造力——什么也没有！
They do nothing!
他们什么也不做！
They hang out.
他们出去玩。
And hanging out can be marvelous, but hanging out does not make you an artist.
闲逛可能很棒，但闲逛并不能让你成为一名艺术家。
A secondhand wardrobe does not make you an artist.
二手衣柜并不能让你成为艺术家。
Neither do a hair-trigger temper, melancholic nature, propensity for tears, hating your parents, nor even HIV.
一触即发的脾气、忧郁的性格、爱流泪的倾向、憎恨父母，甚至艾滋病毒也都不会。
I hate to say it.
我讨厌这么说。
None of these can make you an artist.
这些都不能让你成为一名艺术家。
[LAUGHTER] But just as being gay does not make one witty, you can suck a mile of cock, it does not make you Oscar Wilde.
[笑声] 但是，就像同性恋并不能让人变得机智一样，你可以吮吸一英里的鸡巴，但这并不能让你成为奥斯卡·王尔德。
Believe me, I know.
相信我，我知道。
I've tried.
我试过了。
[LAUGHTER] The only thing that makes you an artist is making art.
[笑声]唯一能让你成为艺术家的就是创作艺术。
And that takes the opposite of hanging out.
这与闲逛相反。
So when they sing the anthem of the show, that's a lie, really.
所以当他们唱节目的赞歌时，那真的是一个谎言。
Every song in the show is an anthem delivered with adolescent earnestness.
节目中的每一首歌都是一首充满青春热忱的赞歌。
It's like being trapped in the pages of a teenager's diary.
这就像被困在青少年的日记中一样。
So when they sing the title anthem of the show, "We're not going to pay this year's rent," followed by a kind of barked cheer of "rent, rent, rent, rent, rent, rent, rent," my only question is, well, why aren't you going to pay this year's rent?
因此，当他们唱起节目的主打歌“我们不打算支付今年的房租”，然后是“房租，房租，房租，房租，房租，房租，房租”的欢呼声时，我唯一的问题是，好吧，你为什么不付今年的房租？
[LAUGHTER] It seems that they're not going to pay this year's rent because rent is for losers and uncreative types.
[笑声] 看来他们不会支付今年的租金，因为租金是为失败者和缺乏创造力的人准备的。
Rent is for suits.
租金是西装。
By contrast, they are the last bastion of artistic purity.
相比之下，它们是艺术纯粹性的最后堡垒。
They have not sold out, and yet their brilliance goes unacknowledged.
它们尚未售罄，但它们的才华却未被认可。
So fuck you, yuppie scum.
所以去你妈的，雅皮士败类。
I know what it's like to feel angry and ignored.
我知道生气和被忽视是什么感觉。
I lived in Brooklyn a long time ago, about a block away from a prison.
很久以前我住在布鲁克林，离监狱大约一个街区。
[LAUGHTER] During the day, the neighborhood bustled with lawyers, judges, criminals, bail bondsmen, private detectives.
[笑声] 白天，附近挤满了律师、法官、罪犯、保释担保人和私家侦探。
I lived on a block in a little two-story building that had once been a coach house in the 19th century, and the basement had a red dirt floor.
我住在一栋两层小楼的一个街区，这座小楼在 19 世纪曾是马车房，地下室的地板是红色的泥土。
On the ground floor below me was an office that did what exactly?
在我下面的一楼有一个办公室，它到底做什么？
Resumes?
简历？
I can't remember.
我不记得了。
What I do remember is the man whose office it was.
我只记得办公室里的那个人。
Raul was knee-bucklingly handsome.
劳尔英俊得让人膝盖弯曲。
If my life had been different, like-- I don't know-- if I were like a hot girl with a driver's license, I could have put on a tube top and gone outside to wash my car in slow motion or something.
如果我的生活有所不同，就像——我不知道——如果我像一个有驾照的辣妹，我就可以穿上抹胸，到外面以慢动作洗车什么的。
But alas.
但唉。
Once, during the day-- it must have been the weekend because I was at home-- I could hear Raul having sex in the office downstairs.
有一次，白天——肯定是周末，因为我在家——我能听到劳尔在楼下的办公室做爱。
I skittered around my apartment like a cockroach on a frying pan, trying not to make any noise while desperately looking for a knothole in the crappy floorboards.
我像煎锅上的蟑螂一样在我的公寓里爬来爬去，一边拼命在破烂的地板上寻找节孔，一边努力不发出任何声音。
[LAUGHTER] Eventually, I just lay down flat against the tile of the kitchen floor, listening.
[笑声] 最后，我只是平躺在厨房地板的瓷砖上，听着。
Lying flat against the tile of my kitchen floor listening to someone else have sex is essentially my 20s in a nutshell.
简而言之，平躺在厨房地板的瓷砖上听别人做爱基本上就是我的 20 多岁。
I was robbed in that neighborhood twice.
我在那个街区被抢劫了两次。
And there were days when it hardly seemed worth it to live in a horrible part of town, just so that I could go daily to a stupid, soul-crushing, low-paying job, especially since as deeply as I yearned to be creative, for years and years, I was too scared to even try.
有时候，我觉得住在城里一个可怕的地方似乎不值得，只是为了每天都能从事一份愚蠢的、令人心碎的、低薪的工作，尤其是因为多年来，尽管我深深地渴望发挥创造力，但我却害怕去尝试。
So I did nothing.
所以我什么也没做。
But here's something that I did do-- I paid my fucking rent.
但我确实做了一件事——我付了他妈的房租。
Ira Glass The late David Rakoff.
艾拉·格拉斯 已故的大卫·拉科夫。
His essay about the musical Rent appears in his book Half Empty.
他关于音乐剧《吉屋出租》的文章出现在他的著作《半空》中。
But really, you can't go wrong with any of his books.
但实际上，读他的任何书都不会出错。
Coming up, proof that some people simply should not go on vacation.
即将到来，证明有些人根本不应该去度假。
They can't hack it.
他们无法破解它。
They cannot handle the mellow.
他们无法应对醇厚的感觉。
That is in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our show, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Got You Pegged-- stories of people making grand assumptions about other people, sometimes correct, sometimes deeply incorrect.
今天的节目《让你陷入困境》讲述了人们对其他人做出宏大假设的故事，这些假设有时是正确的，有时是非常错误的。
Today's show is a rerun.
今天的节目是重播。
We've arrived at Act 4 of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第四幕了。
Act 4, Paradise Lost.
第四幕，失乐园。
Shalom Auslander has our story.
沙洛姆·奥斯兰德讲述了我们的故事。
I ruin vacations.
我毁了假期。
That's just what I do.
这就是我所做的。
In Greece, I was sure the hotel had stuck us with the worst room in the building, even though every room was identical.
在希腊，我确信酒店给我们安排的是大楼里最差的房间，尽管每个房间都是一样的。
I know that because we switched three times the day we got there.
我知道这一点，因为我们到达那里的那天就换了三次。
We switched again the morning after and went home two days early.
第二天早上我们又换了一次，提前两天回家了。
A year later, I spent four days in a Jamaican rainforest complaining about the weather.
一年后，我在牙买加的雨林里呆了四天，抱怨天气。
We're in a rainforest, my wife said.
我们在雨林里，我妻子说。
So?
所以？
So it rains.
所以下雨了。
We went home two days early.
我们提前两天回家了。
And so last year, when my wife informed me that she had booked us a six-day vacation in Anguilla, a remote island in the British West Indies, I decided that this time would be different.
因此，去年，当我的妻子告诉我她已经为我们预订了在英属西印度群岛的一个偏远岛屿安圭拉岛为期六天的假期时，我决定这次会有所不同。
It was our first trip in a while, and I'd been doing a lot of work on myself.
这是我们一段时间以来的第一次旅行，我自己做了很多工作。
With the money I'd spent on therapy, I could have bought the whole damn island of Anguilla.
用我花在治疗上的钱，我可以买下整个该死的安圭拉岛。
So I was anxious to see how far I'd come.
所以我很想看看我能走多远。
The resort was far more expensive than we could afford.
这个度假村的价格远远超出我们的承受能力。
I suspected that my wife was hoping that an exclusive resort would minimize the number of disappointments that could inevitably set me off.
我怀疑我的妻子希望一个独特的度假村能够最大程度地减少不可避免地让我失望的失望。
There was no need for her to worry.
她无需担心。
This time would be different.
这次会有所不同。
This time, I would be different.
这一次，我会有所不同。
The resort we flew to sits tucked away on the eastern end of an utterly pristine inlet of blue-green water on the southern tip of the island.
我们飞往的度假村坐落在岛屿南端一个完全原始的蓝绿色海水入口的东端。
The bellman brought our bags into our room, warned us not to feed the iguanas, wished us a happy stay, and left.
行李员把我们的行李带进房间，警告我们不要喂鬣蜥，祝我们住得愉快，然后就离开了。
My son started jumping on the bed.
我儿子开始在床上跳。
My wife joined him.
我的妻子加入了他。
And I pulled open the wooden louvered patio doors that led out to the beach.
我拉开通往海滩的木百叶窗露台门。
Wow, I said, as I stepped out onto the patio.
哇，当我走到露台上时，我说道。
For once, the view looked exactly as it had on the website.
这一次，视图看起来与网站上的一模一样。
Pelicans circled above the calm, still waters.
鹈鹕在平静的水面上空盘旋。
The owner's golden retrievers slept peacefully in the shade beneath a gentle, spreading palm.
主人的金毛猎犬在温柔的摊开的手掌下的树荫下安静地睡着。
My wife came up behind me and put her arms around my waist.
我的妻子走到我身后，用双臂搂住我的腰。
It's Eden, she said.
这是伊甸园，她说。
Paradise, I answered.
天堂，我回答道。
Not a cloud in the sky, she said.
天上没有一丝云彩，她说。
Not a single cloud, I said.
没有一朵云，我说。
And then she went inside.
然后她进去了。
When I came in, she already had her beach bag packed and was pulling a T-shirt over our son's head.
当我进来时，她已经收拾好了沙滩包，并把一件 T 恤拉到我们儿子的头上。
We're going to the beach, she said.
我们要去海滩，她说。
You coming?
你来吗？
I'll come down after I unpack, I said.
我说，我打开行李后就下来。
They hurried out the door, dropped a cracker for the iguana waiting in the shade at the bottom of the steps, and headed down to the beach.
他们匆匆出了门，给在台阶底下树荫下等待的鬣蜥扔了一块饼干，然后朝海滩走去。
I quickly put away our clothing, grabbed the room key, and locked the patio door as I closed it behind me.
我迅速收起衣服，抓起房间钥匙，锁上露台的门，并关上身后的门。
Hello, said the old man.
“你好，”老人说。
He was standing at the foot of our patio, holding on to the rail for support.
他站在我们庭院的脚下，抓住栏杆作为支撑。
Oh, hello, I said.
哦，你好，我说。
His name was Marvin, and he'd been coming to the resort for 25 years.
他的名字叫马文，来到度假村已有 25 年了。
Oh, 25 years at least, he said.
哦，至少25年，他说。
Maybe more.
也许更多。
Such a long time ago.
这么久以前了。
Let's see, I'm 81 now.
让我们看看，我现在81岁了。
Yeah, the first time I came here was in, oh, let's see, 1980, I believe.
是的，我第一次来这里是在，哦，让我们想想，我相信是 1980 年。
Really?
真的吗？
I said, backing my way towards the beach.
我一边说着，一边向后退去海滩。
Here's the thing about people.
这是关于人的事情。
I don't really like them.
我真的不喜欢他们。
That's why I find racism so curious.
这就是为什么我觉得种族主义如此奇怪。
There are so many reasons to dislike people.
不喜欢一个人的理由有很多。
You're going to go with color?
你要选择颜色吗？
So I avoid the people whenever possible, try to keep my distance.
所以我尽可能避开人群，尽量保持距离。
It's really better for everyone.
这确实对每个人都更好。
Could have been 1982, Marvin continued, or maybe even 1978, now that I think about it.
可能是 1982 年，马文继续说道，甚至可能是 1978 年，现在我想起来了。
No, no, it was 1980.
不不，那是1980年。
I remember because I was arguing with my wife about Reagan.
我记得是因为我正在和我的妻子争论里根的事。
Whew, boy, did she hate him.
哇哦，孩子，她恨他吗？
Uh-huh, I said.
嗯嗯，我说。
I looked toward the beach and could see my wife and son running down to the water with his pail and shovel.
我向海滩望去，看到我的妻子和儿子拿着水桶和铲子跑向水边。
Well, I better go.
好吧，我最好走了。
Family's waiting for me and all.
家人都在等着我和大家。
She's dead now, he said.
她现在死了，他说。
He gently cleared his throat and looked to the ground.
他轻轻清了清喉咙，看向地面。
Damn it, I thought.
该死的，我想。
I'm sorry, I said.
对不起，我说。
She was a good woman, he said.
她是一个好女人，他说。
I nodded.
我点点头。
I'm sure, I said.
我确定，我说。
Hotel was very different back then, of course, Marvin continued.
当然，当时的酒店非常不同，马文继续说道。
Very, very different.
非常非常不同。
The restaurant wasn't where it is now, no, sir.
餐厅不在现在的位置，不，先生。
That building wasn't even built until 1990 or so, maybe '92 even.
那栋大楼直到 1990 年左右才建成，甚至可能是 92 年。
Fellow named Jeremiah built it with his own two hands, by gosh.
天啊，名叫耶利米的家伙用自己的两只手建造了它。
Nobody builds like that anymore.
没有人再像那样建造了。
As Marvin rambled on, I began to wonder, was there any way I could switch rooms without upsetting my wife?
当马文继续胡言乱语时，我开始想，有什么办法可以在不打扰我妻子的情况下换房间呢？
But I stopped myself, pulled myself together.
但我停下来，振作起来。
Not this time, I thought.
我想，这次不会。
We are having a pleasant vacation.
我们正在度过一个愉快的假期。
Is that your wife?
那是你的妻子吗？
Marvin asked.
马文问道。
Yeah, I said, waiting for me.
是的，我说，等我。
She's beautiful, said Marvin.
她很漂亮，马文说。
Yeah, I said.
是的，我说。
Well, I better skedaddle.
好吧，我最好还是溜走吧。
My wife was beautiful, too.
我的妻子也很漂亮。
Uh-huh, I said, with a wave.
嗯嗯，我挥手说道。
Well, I'll see you later.
好吧，稍后见。
Marvin waved back, walked up the steps of the villa directly adjoining ours, took out his key, and walked inside.
马文也挥了挥手，走上紧邻我们别墅的台阶，拿出钥匙走了进去。
The door closed, and the expectorating began.
门关上，开始咳痰。
Damn it, I thought.
该死的，我想。
The trip had exhausted our son, so we had an early dinner and went for a short sunset stroll on the beach.
这次旅行让我们的儿子筋疲力尽，所以我们早早地吃了晚饭，然后在日落时分在海滩上散步。
Thanks, said my wife, putting her arm through mine.
谢谢，我的妻子说着，将她的手臂搭在我的手臂上。
For what?
为了什么？
I asked.
我问。
For being so good about things.
因为对事情这么好。
I smiled and squeezed her arm.
我微笑着握住了她的手臂。
Our son ran through the gentle surf and shrieked with joy.
我们的儿子在轻柔的海浪中跑来跑去，高兴地尖叫起来。
Soon he grew tired, climbed into my wife's arms, and we reluctantly climbed the patio steps back to the room.
很快他就累了，爬进我妻子的怀里，我们恋恋不舍地爬上露台台阶回到房间。
Good night, said Marvin.
晚安，马文说。
He was sitting on his patio next door.
他坐在隔壁的露台上。
Good night, whispered my wife.
晚安，我的妻子轻声说道。
Where in New York are you from?
你来自纽约哪里？
Asked Marvin.
马文问。
Upstate, she whispered, as she carried our exhausted son into the room.
在北部，她一边低声说道，一边抱着我们疲惫不堪的儿子走进房间。
I spent a lot of time there, said Marvin.
“我在那里度过了很多时间，”马文说。
Hudson Valley, I think it was.
哈德逊河谷，我想是的。
Might have been the Catskills.
可能是卡茨基尔。
Yeah, I think it was the Catskills.
是的，我认为是卡茨基尔。
My wife and I used to take our kids up there when they were younger.
我和我的妻子小时候经常带我们的孩子去那里。
OK, I whispered.
好吧，我低声说道。
We don't talk much anymore-- my kids, I mean.
我们不再说话了——我是说我的孩子们。
Not my wife.
不是我的妻子。
She's dead.
她死了。
Sure, I whispered.
当然，我低声说道。
Well, good night.
好吧，晚安。
I closed the door behind me and locked it.
我关上身后的门并锁上。
Jesus Christ, I said.
天哪，我说。
You OK?
你还好吗？
Asked my wife.
我妻子问。
I'm fine, I said with a smile.
我很好，我笑着说。
We put our son to bed, crept quietly out the back door, and lay down together on a lounge chair underneath the stars.
我们把儿子放到床上，悄悄地从后门溜出去，一起躺在星空下的躺椅上。
I love you, said my wife.
我爱你，我的妻子说。
I love you, too, I answered.
我也爱你，我回答道。
[HACKING] came the sound from next door.
隔壁传来[黑客]的声音。
We lay there a while longer, holding hands in the cool tropical night breeze, watching the shimmering lights of long-dead stars and pretending we weren't listening to an old man drowning in his own phlegm.
我们又在那里躺了一会儿，在凉爽的热带夜风中牵着手，看着死去已久的星星闪烁的光芒，假装我们没有在听一个淹没在自己的痰中的老人的说话。
I awoke the following morning in a dark mood.
第二天早上我在一种阴暗的心情中醒来。
I didn't want my wife to see it, so I crept out of bed, quietly dressed, and went for a walk.
我不想让妻子看到，所以我悄悄下了床，悄悄穿好衣服，出去散步。
I made my way to the open-air restaurant that overlooked the sea and sat down for an early breakfast.
我前往俯瞰大海的露天餐厅，坐下来享用早餐。
OK, I thought.
好吧，我想。
So there's an old man next door.
所以隔壁有一个老人。
Was that worth ruining our whole vacation?
这值得毁掉我们的整个假期吗？
I'd worked too long and too hard on myself to be derailed by this.
我为自己工作了太久、太努力了，不可能因此而出轨。
I decided to view Marvin as some sort of a test.
我决定将马文视为某种考验。
Maybe it was God's test.
或许，这是上天的考验。
Maybe it was just fate.
也许这只是命运。
But I was stronger than Marvin.
但我比马文强。
I was stronger than a thousand Marvins.
我比一千个马文还要强大。
He would not defeat me.
他不会打败我的。
I finished my breakfast and walked back to the room.
我吃完早餐就走回房间。
Good morning, said Marvin.
早上好，马文说。
He was sitting at his patio table, finishing his breakfast.
他坐在露台的桌子旁，吃完早餐。
Good morning, I said.
早上好，我说。
A lovely day, isn't it?
美好的一天，不是吗？
Oh, it is, he said.
哦，是的，他说。
Mornings like this, my wife and I used to get up early and go for a long swim.
像这样的早晨，我和妻子常常早起去游个长距离的泳。
That sounds nice, I said.
听起来不错，我说。
She's dead now, he said.
她现在死了，他说。
Hey, I said, who isn't?
嘿，我说，谁不是呢？
That's true, said Marvin.
确实如此，马文说。
I looked out over the beach and smiled.
我看着海滩，微笑着。
Check and mate, Marv.
检查并交配，马夫。
I was unflappable.
我泰然自若。
Auschwitz, said Marvin.
奥斯维辛，马文说。
I turned around.
我转过身来。
Sorry?
对不起？
My wife, she died in Auschwitz.
我的妻子，她死在奥斯维辛集中营。
We were quite young, only married a few years.
我们还很年轻，结婚才几年。
Auschwitz, I said.
奥斯维辛，我说。
Marvin nodded.
马文点点头。
We were sent to Dachau at first, but after a few weeks, they sent us to Auschwitz.
我们一开始被送到达豪集中营，但几周后，他们又把我们送到奥斯威辛集中营。
Auschwitz, I said.
奥斯维辛，我说。
Sure, my mother, too.
当然，我妈妈也是。
She was sent to Bergen-Belsen.
她被送往贝尔根贝尔森。
But that's not where she died.
但那不是她死的地方。
She died in Auschwitz with my father, probably of pneumonia.
她和我父亲一起死于奥斯维辛，可能死于肺炎。
That's what I heard.
这就是我听到的。
My father was shot.
我父亲被枪杀了。
The Nazis shot him.
纳粹射杀了他。
I know this from some people in Miami who knew him in the camps.
我从迈阿密的一些在难民营里认识他的人那里知道了这一点。
Ethel, Morris Goldstein.
埃塞尔，莫里斯·戈德斯坦。
They died a while ago.
他们不久前去世了。
I should have been compassionate.
我本来应该富有同情心的。
I know.
我知道。
I should have taken a pad and pen and committed his story to paper for future generations.
我应该拿起本子和笔，把他的故事写在纸上，留给子孙后代。
But I didn't.
但我没有。
Instead, I seethed.
相反，我沸腾了。
20 minutes of genocide stories later, I went into our villa, closed the door sharply behind me, and stood in the center of the room with my hands on my hips.
20分钟的种族灭绝故事之后，我走进我们的别墅，猛地关上身后的门，双手叉腰站在房间中央。
What?
什么？
Asked my wife.
我妻子问。
I threw my hands into the air.
我把手举向空中。
Auschwitz, I said.
奥斯维辛，我说。
Pardon?
赦免？
Auschwitz.
奥斯维辛。
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
She asked.
她问道。
Au-freaking-schwitz.
Au-该死的-schwitz。
He's a survivor, hon, a Holocaust survivor.
他是一名幸存者，亲爱的，一名大屠杀幸存者。
I don't have anything against Holocaust survivors.
我对大屠杀幸存者没有任何反对意见。
Some of my best friends are Holocaust survivors.
我最好的一些朋友是大屠杀幸存者。
OK, that's not actually true, but I don't have anything against them.
好吧，这实际上不是真的，但我对他们没有任何反对意见。
But if I want to relax and forget about life for a while, maybe hit a bar and have a drink, I'm not going to call Elie Wiesel.
但如果我想放松一下，暂时忘记生活，也许去酒吧喝一杯，我不会打电话给埃利·维塞尔。
Hey, Elie.
嘿，埃利。
How's it going?
怎么样了？
I had a tough day.
我度过了艰难的一天。
Why don't you come over, and we'll watch Schindler's List?
你为什么不过来，我们一起看《辛德勒的名单》？
Bring beer.
带啤酒。
A Holocaust survivor, I said, pacing back and forth across the room.
我是大屠杀幸存者，一边在房间里来回踱步，一边说道。
The place is half-empty, and the guy next door is a Holocaust survivor.
这个地方半空，隔壁的人是大屠杀幸存者。
I think I've been pretty good about this.
我想我在这方面做得很好。
I didn't let the travel upset me.
我没有让旅行让我心烦意乱。
I didn't let the hacking next door all night long get to me.
我没有让隔壁整夜的窃听影响到我。
But this is too much.
但这太过分了。
It's too much.
太多了。
I'm standing in paradise, talking about gas chambers.
我站在天堂里，谈论毒气室。
My wife was sympathetic, but she'd seen this before and insisted I was blowing it out of proportion.
我的妻子对此表示同情，但她以前就见过这种情况，并坚持认为我夸大了。
As usual, she said.
和往常一样，她说。
And I said, What's that supposed to mean?
我说，这是什么意思？
And she said, You know what that means.
她说，你知道这意味着什么。
And I said, No, I don't.
我说，不，我不。
And less than 24 hours after our plane touched down in Eden, we were fighting.
我们的飞机降落在伊甸园后不到 24 小时，我们就陷入了战斗。
It's your decision, she said to me, as she gathered her beach things together.
这是你的决定，她一边把海滩上的东西收拾起来，一边对我说。
He's not ruining our vacation.
他不会破坏我们的假期。
You are.
你是。
No, I'm not!
不，我不是！
I shouted.
我喊道。
Goebbels is.
戈培尔就是。
Blame Goebbels.
责怪戈培尔。
She walked out and stomped down the patio steps.
她走出去，跺着脚走下露台的台阶。
My son began to cry.
我儿子开始哭泣。
A dozen iguanas sat on the deck.
甲板上栖息着十几只鬣蜥。
Two of them ran inside and hid under the bed.
两个人跑了进去，躲到了床底下。
Damn it, I thought.
该死的，我想。
I spent the next few hours avoiding my wife, hoping that a little time would settle things down between us.
接下来的几个小时里，我避开了我的妻子，希望能有一点时间来安抚我们之间的关系。
I took my son and walked over to the front office.
我带着儿子朝前台走去。
Did you feed them?
你喂他们了吗？
The man asked.
男人问道。
We told you not to feed them.
我们告诉过你不要喂它们。
They're in our room, I said.
他们在我们的房间里，我说。
They're under our bed.
它们在我们的床底下。
I heard laughter coming from the lobby and poked my head around the corner.
我听到大厅里传来笑声，我把头探到拐角处。
Marvin was sitting in a wicker chair, surrounded by a half a dozen adoring hotel employees.
马文坐在一张藤椅上，周围是六名崇拜他的酒店员工。
A waiter from the bar brought him a rum punch.
酒吧的服务员给他端来了一杯朗姆酒。
Let me pay you, said Marvin.
让我付钱给你吧，马文说。
No, no, Mr. Marvin, said the waiter.
不，不，马文先生，服务员说。
No, no. If there's anything worse than hating someone, it's discovering that everyone else loves them.
不，不。如果有什么比恨一个人更糟糕的话，那就是发现其他人都爱他。
Oh, Mr. Marvin, an attractive female chambermaid cried.
哦，马文先生，一位迷人的女女服务员哭了。
He's terrible!
他太可怕了！
The man at the front desk smiled in Marvin's direction.
前台的男人朝马文的方向微笑。
What a sweet man, he said, and then shook his head.
多么可爱的一个人啊，他说，然后摇了摇头。
And what he's been through.
以及他所经历的事情。
At dinner that evening, Marvin sat at the resort owner's table.
那天晚上吃晚饭时，马文坐在度假村老板的餐桌旁。
My wife and I sat nearby, barely talking.
我和妻子坐在旁边，几乎不说话。
Marvin told funny stories, and everyone laughed.
马文讲了有趣的故事，大家都笑了。
Marvin told sad stories about the Holocaust, I guessed, judging by the horror on the face of his dinner companions, and everyone hugged him.
从他的晚餐同伴脸上的惊恐表情来看，我猜马文讲述了有关大屠杀的悲伤故事，每个人都拥抱了他。
And when the bill came and Marvin reached for it, again, they refused to let him pay.
当账单来了，马文再次伸手去拿时，他们拒绝让他付钱。
That was when I decided with absolute certainty that the son-of-a-bitch was faking it.
就在那时，我绝对确定这个王八蛋是在假装。
Holocaust survivor, my ass, I thought.
大屠杀幸存者，我的屁股，我想。
I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish community.
我在东正教犹太社区长大。
I've known Holocaust survivors, OK?
我认识大屠杀幸存者，好吗？
And they don't go on and on about it.
他们不会一直谈论这件事。
Elie Wiesel doesn't go on about it.
埃利·威塞尔没有继续谈论这个话题。
Marvin was no Holocaust survivor.
马文不是大屠杀的幸存者。
He was just an old chatterbox looking for a meal ticket.
他不过是一个寻找饭票的老话痨而已。
There's no such thing as a free lunch until you tell everyone sitting next to you at lunch about your stay in Bergen-Belsen.
天下没有免费的午餐，除非您在午餐时告诉坐在您旁边的每个人您在贝尔根-贝尔森的住宿经历。
Marvin was faking, I was sure of it.
马文是在假装，我确信这一点。
And I was equally sure that if I could just prove that to my wife, all would be forgiven.
我同样确信，如果我能向我的妻子证明这一点，一切都会被原谅。
And I knew just how to do it.
我知道该怎么做。
We came back from dinner, and I put my son into his pajamas and read him some stories.
我们吃完晚饭回来，我给儿子穿上睡衣，给他读了一些故事。
My wife sang him some songs and put him to bed.
我的妻子给他唱了一些歌，然后让他上床睡觉。
And after that, she put on her shoes and said she needed to take a walk.
之后，她穿上鞋子，说她需要散步。
Fine, I said.
好吧，我说。
Good, she answered.
好，她回答。
Great, I said.
太好了，我说。
Whatever, she replied.
不管怎样，她回答道。
I went outside, sat down on the patio steps, and watched the ocean, hoping it would calm me down.
我走到外面，坐在露台的台阶上，看着大海，希望它能让我平静下来。
Suddenly, I heard a groan coming from Marvin's patio.
突然，我听到马文的院子里传来一声呻吟。
I stood up, peeked over the fence that separated our two patios, and saw him asleep on one of his lounge chairs.
我站起来，从分隔我们两个庭院的栅栏往外看，看到他在一张躺椅上睡着了。
This was my chance.
这是我的机会。
I looked around to see if anyone was watching, went over to his patio, and crept up the stairs.
我环顾四周，看看是否有人在看，然后走到他的露台，然后爬上楼梯。
He rustled, and I froze.
他沙沙作响，我愣住了。
After a few seconds, I tiptoed over to where he was sleeping.
几秒钟后，我蹑手蹑脚地走到他睡觉的地方。
His left arm was propped behind his head, but his right arm was stretched out along the arm of the chair.
他的左臂撑在脑后，右臂却沿着椅臂伸出。
Bingo.
宾果游戏。
I made my way back to our room and waited anxiously for my wife to return.
我回到房间，焦急地等待妻子回来。
A few minutes later, the front door opened.
几分钟后，前门打开了。
Well, well, well, I said, as she came into the room.
好吧，好吧，好吧，当她走进房间时我说。
Well, well what?
好吧，好吧，什么？
She asked.
她问道。
Well, well, well.
好吧，好吧，好吧。
I guess Mr. Auschwitz isn't such a survivor after all.
我想奥斯威辛先生毕竟不是这样的幸存者。
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
She asked.
她问道。
I held my arm out and pointed to my forearm.
我伸出手臂，指着我的前臂。
No numbers, I said with a smile.
没有数字，我笑着说。
At last, I'd gotten a clean look at his forearm, and no numbers.
最后，我清楚地看到了他的前臂，但没有任何数字。
What?
什么？
Asked my wife.
我妻子问。
No numbers.
没有数字。
If he was in the Holocaust, where are the numbers?
如果他参与了大屠杀，那么数字在哪里？
Her face dropped.
她的脸沉了下来。
What did you do?
你做了什么？
She asked.
她问道。
What?
什么？
What did you do?
你做了什么？
I didn't do anything.
我什么也没做。
Did you ask him to show you his numbers?
你让他给你看他的电话号码了吗？
Bloody hell, Shal.
该死的，夏尔。
Did you ask him to show you his numbers?
你让他给你看他的电话号码了吗？
I didn't ask him to show me his numbers, I said.
我说，我没有要求他给我看他的电话号码。
He was sleeping.
他正在睡觉。
She pressed her fingertips against her eyes and shook her head.
她用指尖抵住眼睛，摇了摇头。
And why exactly would he lie about being in the Holocaust?
他到底为什么要谎称自己参与了大屠杀？
Why?
为什么？
I asked.
我问。
Free stuff.
免费的东西。
They pay for all his meals.
他们支付他所有的餐费。
They probably pay for his room.
他们可能支付他的房间费用。
He's faking it.
他在假装。
This is ludicrous.
这太可笑了。
Why would he pick the Holocaust?
他为什么会选择大屠杀？
What's he going to say, Bataan Death March?
巴丹死亡行军他会说什么？
It was a hike.
这是一次徒步旅行。
Get over it.
克服它。
You want free stuff, you go with Holocaust.
你想要免费的东西，你就选择大屠杀。
Which arm?
哪只手臂？
She asked.
她问道。
What?
什么？
Which arm did you check?
你检查的是哪只手臂？
I paused.
我停了下来。
The right one, I said.
正确的，我说。
She looked at me.
她看着我。
They tattooed the left?
他们纹的是左边吗？
She nodded.
她点点头。
And they didn't tattoo everyone.
而且他们并没有给每个人都纹身。
How do you know?
你怎么知道？
My neighbors were survivors, she said, both neighbors.
她说，我的邻居都是幸存者。
None of them had numbers.
他们都没有号码。
She kicked her shoes off and headed for the bathroom.
她踢掉鞋子，走向浴室。
This isn't about Marvin, she said.
这与马文无关，她说。
This isn't about numbers or concentration camps.
这与数字或集中营无关。
This is about you.
这是关于你的。
All that night and into the next morning, I couldn't sleep.
整个晚上，直到第二天早上，我都无法入睡。
I lay in bed, imagining that I'd proved to everyone what a fraud Marvin was.
我躺在床上，想象着我已经向所有人证明了马文是个骗子。
I pictured finding a photo of him circa 1940, somewhere in Miami.
我想象着在 1940 年左右在迈阿密的某个地方找到他的照片。
I pictured calling the Holocaust Museum in DC.
我想象着给华盛顿的大屠杀博物馆打电话。
Marvin?
马文？
They would say.
他们会说。
We have no record of a Marvin.
我们没有马文的记录。
I pictured confronting him at dinner, catching him out on some esoteric German historical fact.
我想象着在晚餐时与他面对面，向他了解一些深奥的德国历史事实。
Wrong.
错误的。
Himmler didn't take over the Gestapo until 1934.
希姆莱直到 1934 年才接管盖世太保。
Ha!
哈！
But mostly, I just felt awful.
但大多数情况下，我只是感觉很糟糕。
A full third of our first family vacation was over, and we'd spent most of it fighting.
我们的第一个家庭假期已经过去了整整三分之一，我们大部分时间都在争吵中度过。
I was sure our son sensed it, sure that he would hold it against me.
我确信我们的儿子感觉到了这一点，确信他会以此来反对我。
Sure I was wrong, but sure I was right.
当然我错了，但我肯定是对的。
At the first sign of daybreak, I got out of bed and went down to the beach.
天一亮，我就起床前往海滩。
I walked south along the entire length of the shore before turning around and heading back.
我沿着整个海岸向南走，然后转身返回。
As I grew closer to the beach across from our villa, I saw something dark and heavy in the shallow water.
当我越来越接近别墅对面的海滩时，我看到浅水中有一些又黑又重的东西。
I thought it was a log or a mass of seaweed, but then I saw it was moving.
我以为那是一根圆木或一团海藻，但后来我看到它在动。
It was kicking.
它正在踢。
It was a person.
那是一个人。
And as I grew closer still, I realized it was Marvin.
当我离得更近时，我意识到那是马文。
It was Marvin, and he was struggling to get to shore.
是马文，他正在努力上岸。
I hate to admit it, but even as I ran to help him, I was pissed off.
我不愿意承认这一点，但即使我跑去帮助他，我还是很生气。
It was bad enough I had to put up with this pain in the ass.
这已经够糟糕了，我不得不忍受这种屁股上的疼痛。
Now I had to save him?
现在我必须救他？
I grabbed Marvin around his chest, lifting and pulling as I swung his arm across my shoulder.
我抓住马文的胸口，抬起并拉动，同时把他的手臂放在我的肩膀上。
He was coughing, spluttering, trying to catch his breath.
他咳嗽着，气喘吁吁，试图喘口气。
I'm all right, he was saying.
我很好，他说。
I'm all right.
我没事。
I helped him onto the beach.
我扶他上了海滩。
I was breathing heavily.
我呼吸粗重。
That, I said, was the most pathetic cry for attention I have ever seen.
我说，这是我见过的最可悲的寻求关注的呼喊。
Marvin laughed and took a moment to catch his breath.
马文大笑起来，过了一会儿才喘了口气。
My wife, he said.
我的妻子，他说。
Yeah, I said.
是的，我说。
Auschwitz.
奥斯维辛。
He shook his head.
他摇摇头。
Second wife, he said.
第二任妻子，他说。
We came here together for 25 years.
我们一起来到这里已经25年了。
We used to get up for early morning swims.
我们过去常早起去游泳。
As I got older, it got harder for me to get back to the shore-- undertow and all.
随着年龄的增长，我越来越难回到岸边——逆流等等。
She would stand at the edge and wait for me to come back.
她会站在边缘等我回来。
She sounds great, I said.
她听起来很棒，我说。
She was, said Marvin.
她是，马文说。
I shook my head.
我摇摇头。
Such a shame she wasted all those years with you.
真可惜她和你一起浪费了这么多年。
Marvin laughed again.
马文又笑了。
We have the same sense of humor, he said.
“我们有同样的幽默感，”他说。
We should spend more time together.
我们应该花更多的时间在一起。
I stood up, wiped the sand from my legs and hands, and uttered the most honest thing I'd said to Marvin since I met him.
我站起来，擦掉腿上和手上的沙子，说出了自从见到马文以来我对他说过的最诚实的话。
That sounds awful.
听起来很糟糕。
Marvin smiled, and we walked back to our rooms.
马文微笑着，我们走回自己的房间。
And after that moment, he never bothered me again.
从那一刻起，他就再也没有打扰过我。
I'd wasted three days trying to be polite to someone I couldn't stand and nearly ruined another vacation.
我浪费了三天时间试图对一个我无法忍受的人表现出礼貌，几乎毁掉了另一个假期。
But by finally being the ass I really am, I'd saved it.
但通过最终成为真正的我，我拯救了它。
I was cordial enough.
我已经够热情的了。
Marvin waved when I saw him in the TV room, telling Holocaust stories to the young couple who checked in that evening, and I waved back.
当我在电视室看到马文向那天晚上入住的年轻夫妇讲述大屠杀故事时，他向我挥手，我也向他挥手。
He nodded when I saw him at breakfast the following morning, telling a pair of young waitresses about mass graves in Sobibor, and I nodded back.
第二天早上，当我在早餐时看到他向两位年轻女服务员讲述索比堡的万人坑时，他点了点头，我也点了点头。
And then we finished our breakfast.
然后我们吃完了早餐。
And my wife took my hand in hers, and she smiled at me, and I smiled at her.
我的妻子握住我的手，她对我微笑，我也对她微笑。
And together, we walked arm in arm to watch the sun still rising over the unspoiled beach below.
我们一起手挽着手，看着太阳仍在下面未受污染的海滩上升起。
Shalom Auslander.
沙洛姆·奥斯兰德.
He's the author most recently of the memoir Feh.
他是最近出版的回忆录《Feh》的作者。
["BE CAREFUL OF THE STONES YOU THROW" BY SHIRLEY CAESAR]
[“小心你扔的石头”作者：雪莉·凯撒]
Well, our program was produced today by Robyn Semien and myself with Alex Blumberg, Jane Marie, Lisa Pollak, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由 Robyn Semien 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Jane Marie、Lisa Pollak、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 制作的。
Our senior producer for today's show, Julie Snyder.
我们今天节目的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
Help on today's rerun from Suzanne Gaber and Stowe Nelson.
帮助苏珊·加伯和斯托·尼尔森今天重播。
Special thanks today to Kim Heavner and Katie Stallman at Open Adoption and Family Services.
今天特别感谢开放收养和家庭服务处的 Kim Heavner 和 Katie Stallman。
The adoption agency in the Pacific Northwest had hooked us up with Kim in Act 3.
太平洋西北地区的收养机构在第三幕中为我们介绍了金。
Their website, openadopt.org.
他们的网站是 openadopt.org。
Thanks also to [?
还要感谢[?
Don ?] [?
大学教师 ？] [？
Friedman ?] and Lea Thau, Catherine Burns and Meg McIntyre of The Moth.
弗里德曼？] 以及 The Moth 的 Lea Thau、Catherine Burns 和 Meg McIntyre。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia, who joins me right now in the studio today.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生，他今天和我一起来到了工作室。
Torey, get a little closer to the microphone.
Torey，靠近麦克风一点。
OK?
好的？
Hey, are you feeling OK?
嘿，你感觉还好吗？
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。