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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass Sierra Crane Murdoch has been on our show before.
序言：序言 艾拉·格拉斯·塞拉·克瑞恩·默多克之前曾出现在我们的节目中。
She reports on Indigenous communities out west.
她报道西部的土著社区。
Back in 2023, she got a call from a man in Montana, Kevin Howard.
时间回到 2023 年，她接到蒙大拿州凯文·霍华德 (Kevin Howard) 打来的电话。
He said his daughter Mika had been killed in a hit-and-run.
他说他的女儿米卡在一场肇事逃逸事件中丧生。
Local police were dragging their feet.
当地警察却拖拖拉拉。
He thought the driver might get away with it.
他认为司机可能会逃脱惩罚。
The driver was white.
司机是白人。
Mika was Native, a citizen of the Blackfeet Nation.
米卡是原住民，黑脚族的公民。
Lots of Native people are killed in hit-and-runs, and the drivers are rarely brought to justice.
许多原住民在肇事逃逸中丧生，而司机很少被绳之以法。
And Sierra thought she might be able to document why by diving into Mika's case, because Mika's parents had recordings of nearly all their interactions with law enforcement.
塞拉认为她也许可以通过深入研究米卡的案件来记录原因，因为米卡的父母几乎记录了他们与执法部门的所有互动。
Mika's parents did some other things, too.
米卡的父母还做了一些其他的事情。
They were very strategic and did some extraordinary things other families had not tried to make sure Mika's case was one that the authorities could not ignore.
他们非常有策略，做了一些其他家庭没有尝试过的非同寻常的事情，以确保米卡的案件成为当局不能忽视的案件。
That story and how it unfolded, and what it's like to be a couple making that happen, that's going to be our whole show today.
这个故事以及它是如何展开的，以及一对夫妇实现这一目标的感觉，这将是我们今天的全部节目。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And with that, I hand it over to Sierra.
就这样，我把它交给了塞拉。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Mika's family lives on the Flathead Indian Reservation.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：米卡的家人住在弗拉特黑德印第安人保留地。
It's in a valley, surrounded by big, toothy mountains.
它位于一个山谷中，周围环绕着高耸的大山。
Mika was 22 years old the night she was killed.
米卡被杀当晚 22 岁。
She'd been out with her younger brother.
她和她弟弟出去了。
They'd gone to a bar to buy cigarettes.
他们去酒吧买香烟。
On their way home, Mika couldn't find her phone and thought she'd left it at the bar.
在回家的路上，米卡找不到她的手机，她以为她把它落在酒吧了。
She told her brother to let her out of the car.
她告诉她哥哥让她下车。
She'd go back to the bar to get it, and then she'd walk home.
她会回到酒吧去取，然后步行回家。
Hours later, around 4:00 AM, a tribal police officer found her body on the side of the road, Highway 93.
几小时后，凌晨 4:00 左右，一名部落警察在 93 号高速公路的路边发现了她的尸体。
The officer, a friend of Kevin's, drove to his house and woke him up.
这名警官是凯文的朋友，他开车到他家叫醒了他。
They told us Mika was deceased.
他们告诉我们米卡已经去世了。
And then right away, I was like, well, did you guys get him?
然后我立刻就想，好吧，你们抓到他了吗？
And they were like, yeah, it was some tweaker from Butte.
他们说，是的，这是巴特的一些调整者。
And in my mind, I was like, just, like, happy that they apprehend, you know?
在我看来，我就像，只是，就像，很高兴他们逮捕了，你知道吗？
And I just-- I gave the cops a hug, and I was like, thank you guys, or whatever.
我只是——我给了警察一个拥抱，然后我说，谢谢你们，或者其他什么。
I'm glad that you guys were there.
我很高兴你们在那里。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Later that day, Kevin and his wife Carissa Heavy Runner, Mika's mother, took a cross and a teddy bear to the roadside where she'd been found.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：那天晚些时候，凯文和他的妻子卡丽莎·重型跑步者（米卡的母亲）带着十字架和一只泰迪熊来到她被发现的路边。
When they got there, investigators from Montana Highway Patrol were flying a drone, photographing the scene.
当他们到达那里时，蒙大拿州高速公路巡逻队的调查人员正在驾驶无人机拍摄现场。
One of them was named Wayne Bieber.
其中一位名叫韦恩·比伯。
He asked Kevin and Carissa if they had Mika's phone.
他问凯文和卡丽莎是否有米卡的电话。
It had actually been in her brother's car that night, slipped between her seat and the console.
那天晚上它实际上是在她哥哥的车里，滑到了她的座位和控制台之间。
Bieber said he needed it.
比伯说他需要它。
Carissa couldn't understand why.
嘉莉莎不明白这是为什么。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: He was adamant about following us home to get it.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：他坚决要跟着我们回家拿东西。
And I repeated, she did not have her phone on her.
我又重复了一遍，她身上没有带手机。
It was in her brother's car.
那是在她哥哥的车里。
Why do you need it?
为什么需要它？
What's it going to show, or whatever?
它会展示什么，或者什么？
And then he said, we need to look at all aspects.
然后他说，我们需要考虑各个方面。
I was torn.
我很伤心。
I fought with myself, and I thought I was helping.
我和自己作斗争，我以为我在帮忙。
And so I gave him the phone up here at our house.
所以我把我们家的电话给了他。
When you're handing it to him, I was like, oh, Mika is just freaking, just, pissed off right now.
当你把它交给他时，我就想，哦，米卡现在简直疯了，只是，很生气。
Like, she would not like this at all.
就像，她根本不喜欢这样。
And I said that out loud.
我大声地说了出来。
Shouldn't have done it-- but in a joking manner, I guess.
我不应该这样做——但我想是以一种开玩笑的方式。
But I really did feel that way.
但我确实有这样的感觉。
Like, Mika's like, no, no, don't give it to him.
就像，米卡说，不，不，不要给他。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Yeah, will you tell me more about that?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 是的，您能告诉我更多相关信息吗？
Like, if you knew Mika-- probably the most stubborn person I know.
就像，如果你认识米卡——可能是我认识的最顽固的人。
Like, she would just fight tooth and nail over the dumbest thing to the bitter end.
就像，她会为了最愚蠢的事情而竭尽全力，直到最后。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Mika was constantly challenging her parents, but not in a get-in-trouble kind of way.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：米卡不断地挑战她的父母，但并不是以惹麻烦的方式。
They were close.
他们很亲密。
Back when she was a teenager, when she realized marijuana eased her anxiety, instead of lying to them, she crafted a PowerPoint presentation about its medical benefits.
当她十几岁的时候，当她意识到大麻可以缓解她的焦虑时，她没有对他们撒谎，而是制作了一个关于大麻医疗益处的 PowerPoint 演示文稿。
She wrote poetry.
她写诗。
She was really into philosophy, especially the Tao.
她非常喜欢哲学，尤其是道。
Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself was the title of the book she was reading when she died.
她去世时正在读的书的书名是《打破做自己的习惯》。
Also, she was loud.
而且，她声音很大。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: You could hear her, like, probably even in the garage, just laughing.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：你可以听到她，甚至可能在车库里，只是在笑。
And her laugh was just so loud.
而且她的笑声实在是太大了。
Her sound just echoed.
她的声音刚刚回响。
Or if she was mad, just like, ha!
或者如果她生气了，就像，哈！
Like, just had to let that energy out and (LAUGHING) just things like that she would do-- run into our room, fart, run away-- just laughing all the way.
就像，只需要把能量释放出来，然后（笑）就像她会做的那样——跑进我们的房间，放屁，逃跑——只是一路笑。
She was like that.
她就是这样的。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: A week after Mika's death, Kevin got a text from a friend.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：米卡去世一周后，凯文收到朋友发来的短信。
The driver who killed Mika wasn't in jail, like he'd been told.
杀死米卡的司机并没有像别人告诉他的那样入狱。
Her name was Sunny White.
她的名字叫桑尼·怀特。
She was 28 years old.
她当时28岁。
Police were looking for her, not because she'd killed Mika, but because she'd allegedly just kidnapped her two kids.
警方正在寻找她，不是因为她杀死了米卡，而是因为据称她刚刚绑架了她的两个孩子。
There was a police alert out for her.
警方向她发出警报。
And it had the names of the kids and all that.
上面有孩子们的名字等等。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: She had a four-year-old daughter named Aryan, and I believe a two-year-old son named Nation.
（主题）卡丽莎重型跑步者：她有一个四岁的女儿，名叫雅利安（Aryan），我相信她有一个两岁的儿子，名叫国家（Nation）。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Aryan and Nation.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：雅利安人和民族。
Carissa also got a text from a friend around the same time.
大约在同一时间，卡丽莎也收到了朋友发来的短信。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: She said that a tribal police officer pulled over a woman, a non-Native, and she had said, I came here to kill an Indian.
（采访者）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：她说，一名部落警察拦住了一名非土著妇女，她说，我来这里是为了杀死一名印第安人。
I remember I was just speechless after that.
我记得那之后我简直无语了。
It's just, like, thinking, could it have been a hate crime?
只是想，这可能是仇恨犯罪吗？
Could she have driven by, turned around, came back, and hit her and thought, oh, I'm not going to get caught?
她会不会开车经过，转身，回来，撞了她，然后想，哦，我不会被抓住的？
We were always warned as kids, you've got to watch out.
我们小时候总是被警告，你必须要小心。
Nazis and stuff, they'll intentionally just-- that's how they get away with killing Indians.
纳粹之类的人，他们会故意——这就是他们杀害印第安人的方式。
They just run them over on the side of the road.
他们只是在路边碾压他们。
And so, to me, it was like, holy shit, this is real.
所以，对我来说，这就像，天哪，这是真的。
This is what happened, you know?
这就是发生的事情，你知道吗？
She was murdered.
她被谋杀了。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Carissa and Kevin had so many questions.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： Carissa 和 Kevin 有很多问题。
First, why wasn't Sunny White in jail?
首先，为什么桑尼·怀特没有入狱？
Hours after she hit and killed Mika, Sunny had been arrested for child endangerment, not vehicular homicide.
桑尼撞死米卡几小时后，她因危害儿童罪而不是车辆杀人罪被捕。
They'd learned she spent seven days in jail and then was released, the charges dropped.
他们得知她在监狱里待了 7 天，然后被释放，指控也被撤销。
Also, what happened to that investigator from the Montana Highway Patrol, Wayne Bieber, who took Mika's phone?
另外，蒙大拿州公路巡逻队的调查员韦恩·比伯拿走了米卡的手机，后来怎么样了？
He'd promised to call, but he never did.
他答应过会打电话的，但他没有这么做。
Carissa and Kevin started blowing up his phone.
卡丽莎和凯文开始炸毁他的手机。
They called every day for a week-- nothing.
他们连续一周每天都打电话——没有任何结果。
Then a friend dialed him from her phone, a number he didn't recognize, and he picked up.
然后一位朋友用手机给他打电话，他不认识这个号码，他接了电话。
Can I ask who was calling again one more time?
我能再问一下是谁再打来电话吗？
Sorry about that.
对此感到抱歉。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Carissa Heavy Runner, the mother of Mika Westwolf.
（主题）Carissa Heavy Runner：Carissa Heavy Runner，米卡·韦斯特沃尔夫的母亲。
You gave me your number when we were putting a cross on the side of the road, and there was you and another trooper there.
当我们在路边放十字架时，你给了我你的电话号码，当时那里有你和另一名士兵。
Yep.
是的。
So I haven't gotten-- I've been-- to be honest with you, I've been running around with my head cut off the last couple of weeks, trying to get caught up on a bunch of other stuff.
所以说实话，我还没有——我一直在——在过去的几周里，我一直在拼命地跑来跑去，试图去处理一堆其他的事情。
Have you talked to anybody else as far as things go?
你有和其他人谈过事情的进展吗？
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: No, because I don't know who else to talk to.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：不，因为我不知道还能跟谁说话。
I've had some other things coming up with work that I've been trying to get taken care of.
我还有一些工作上的其他事情需要处理。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Bieber tells Carissa he's applied for some warrants and then keeps talking about how busy he is.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：比伯告诉卡丽莎他已经申请了一些搜查令，然后继续谈论他有多忙。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Just, how come-- how come she's not in jail still?
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：只是，为什么——为什么她还没进监狱呢？
So it's one of those things.
所以这是其中之一。
She was put in jail.
她被关进监狱。
We still have to finish up with the rest of our investigation.
我们还需要完成剩下的调查。
And that includes waiting for toxicology stuff to come back, along with trying to get everything in line that may be associated with evidence for that.
这包括等待毒理学资料回来，并努力让所有可能与此相关的证据保持一致。
I will try and get back to you as soon as I can, but to be honest with you, every time I try and seem to do something lately, it ends up going to poop, and I end up not going in the direction that I wanted to go for the day to try and get some stuff done.
我会尽快回复你，但说实话，最近每次我尝试做某事时，最终都会失败，而我最终没有朝着我当天想要尝试完成一些事情的方向前进。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: How confident did you feel in the investigation at that point?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：当时您对调查有多大信心？
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Not confident at all.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：一点也不自信。
[CHUCKLES]
[笑声]
He told us on the phone, oh, everything I touch turns to poop.
他在电话里告诉我们，哦，我碰过的所有东西都会变成粪便。
Yeah.
是的。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Everything I touch turns to poop.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我碰过的所有东西都会变成粪便。
And I'm just thinking, like, that's not what you want to hear.
我只是在想，这不是你想听到的。
Like, it'd be funny if it was, I guess--
就像，如果是的话那就很有趣了，我想——
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: This is who's investigating our daughter's case.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：这就是调查我们女儿案件的人。
This is who we're supposed to rely on to give us information and who we're supposed to trust.
这是我们应该依靠的人来向我们提供信息，也是我们应该信任的人。
Like, this guy is inept.
比如说，这个人无能。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: I asked Montana Highway Patrol several times for an interview with Wayne Bieber, but they declined.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：我多次要求蒙大拿州公路巡逻队采访韦恩·比伯，但他们拒绝了。
Sierra Crane Murdoch.
塞拉·克兰·默多克。
Coming up, Kevin and Carissa realize that if they want anything to happen in the case, they'll need to take matters into their own hands-- which they do.
接下来，凯文和卡丽莎意识到，如果他们想让此案发生任何事情，他们需要将事情掌握在自己手中——他们确实这么做了。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
Sierra Crane Murdoch picks up the story of Mika Westwolf and her parents.
塞拉·克莱恩·默多克讲述了米卡·韦斯特沃尔夫和她父母的故事。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: The distrust Native families have of law enforcement is centuries old.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：原住民家庭对执法部门的不信任由来已久。
Starting in the 1860s, the US troops that had been stationed on reservations were replaced with police forces.
从1860年代开始，驻扎在保留地的美军被警察部队取代。
These police took Native children from their families to send to boarding schools, arrested holy men for practicing religious ceremonies, and quelled rebellions.
这些警察将土著儿童从家人身边带走，送往寄宿学校，逮捕举行宗教仪式的圣人，并镇压叛乱。
It was the role of law enforcement on reservations to control Native people before it was to keep them safe.
保留地执法部门的作用是控制原住民，然后再保证他们的安全。
Police were there to protect white settlers who lived on and around reservations.
警察在那里保护居住在保留地及其周围的白人定居者。
Meanwhile, a lot of crimes affecting tribal citizens were never investigated or prosecuted.
与此同时，许多影响部落公民的犯罪行为从未受到调查或起诉。
In the 1960s, the federal government turned over its jurisdiction on the Flathead reservation to the state of Montana, but Montana has been reluctant to spend money on policing the reservation, and tribal members' distrust of law enforcement has only grown.
20世纪60年代，联邦政府将弗拉特黑德保留地的管辖权移交给蒙大拿州，但蒙大拿州一直不愿意花钱维持保留地的治安，部落成员对执法部门的不信任有增无减。
Carissa and Kevin were convinced Bieber wasn't investigating Mika's case, so they tried investigating on their own.
卡丽莎和凯文确信比伯没有调查米卡的案件，因此他们尝试自行调查。
They started working with a tribal advocate who helps families of murder victims.
他们开始与一位帮助谋杀受害者家属的部落倡导者合作。
Her name is Erica Shelby.
她的名字叫艾丽卡·谢尔比。
She knocked on every door within a few miles of where Mika was killed, looking for surveillance footage and witnesses.
她敲遍了米卡被杀地点几英里范围内的每一扇门，寻找监控录像和目击者。
One business had a direct view.
一位企业有直接的看法。
She connected Carissa and Kevin with a lawyer to make sure the business preserved the footage.
她为卡丽莎和凯文联系了一位律师，以确保该公司保存这段录像。
We are doing stuff, the way that he was talking--
我们正在做事，就像他说话的方式——
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Three weeks after Mika's death, Bieber finally visited Kevin and Carissa at their house.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：米卡去世三周后，比伯终于去凯文和卡丽莎家拜访了。
They remember him standing awkwardly in the kitchen.
他们记得他尴尬地站在厨房里。
Carissa is seated at the kitchen island.
卡丽莎坐在厨房岛台上。
Kevin is in a recliner behind her.
凯文坐在她身后的躺椅上。
Erica is there, too, taking notes.
艾丽卡也在场，正在做笔记。
The meeting feels tense, restrained.
会议感觉紧张、克制。
They can't get an answer to their main question, why wasn't Sunny White behind bars?
他们无法得到主要问题的答案，为什么桑尼·怀特没有被关进监狱？
I mean, to be honest, it's just strange that if she was, in fact, charged, why is she not in jail?
我的意思是，说实话，奇怪的是，如果她确实受到指控，为什么她没有入狱？
We have to look at everything as the totality.
我们必须将一切视为整体。
So Montana law, if you are intoxicated, you are not allowed to be on the roadway.
因此，蒙大拿州法律规定，如果您喝醉了，则不允许您上路。
You cannot even be on the shoulder.
你甚至不能站在肩膀上。
You have to be walking off into the ditch or using a designated walk path.
您必须走进沟渠或使用指定的步行道。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: A walk path.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：一条步行道。
He's not talking about Sunny White's intoxication.
他说的不是Sunny White 的醉酒。
He's talking about Mika's.
他正在谈论米卡的事。
This is the first time anyone in law enforcement has mentioned to Kevin and Carissa that Mika might have been drunk.
这是执法部门第一次有人向凯文和卡丽莎提到米卡可能喝醉了。
It's also the first time anyone has told them that being drunk and walking on the side of the road is a crime in Montana.
这也是第一次有人告诉他们，在蒙大拿州，醉酒并在路边行走是犯罪行为。
And it's the first time anyone has suggested that if you get hit, your drunkenness could mean your death was your own fault.
这是第一次有人提出，如果你被击中，你的醉酒可能意味着你的死亡是你自己的错。
Then their tribal advocate, Erica asks--
然后他们的部落倡导者艾丽卡问道——
So but what does that have to do with her being out?
那么这和她出去有什么关系呢？
The totality of the circumstances, looking back at the whole thing as an offense--
整个情况，回顾整件事是一种冒犯——
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: "The totality of the circumstances"-- Bieber will repeat this phrase 11 times in the recording.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：“整个情况”——比伯将在录音中重复这句话 11 次。
It's pretty vague what he means, and you hear Kevin trying to get Bieber to clarify, to pick apart his logic.
他的意思相当模糊，你会听到凯文试图让比伯澄清，拆解他的逻辑。
Well, I mean, it's-- if the other person was in violation of the law as well, wouldn't Mika be charged with intoxicated on a roadway, and then the other person be charged with vehicular homicide because she was intoxicated, driving, operating a vehicle?
嗯，我的意思是，如果对方也违法，那么米卡不是会被指控在道路上醉酒，然后对方会因为醉酒驾驶、操作车辆而被指控车辆杀人罪吗？
So Mika's toxicology, though, came back where she was impaired?
那么米卡的毒理学又回到了她受损的地方？
So these are things that take time in order to process, OK?
所以这些事情需要时间来处理，好吗？
Well, right.
嗯，对。
I guess my concern would be, like, that's kind of your justification for her not being currently in jail, would be Mika's potential intoxication?
我想我担心的是，这就是你为她目前没有入狱的理由，米卡可能会中毒吗？
The question that we come back to is exactly what I was telling you, was if you are intoxicated and walking on the road--
我们回到的问题正是我告诉你的，如果你喝醉了走在路上——
OK.
好的。
The totality of the circumstances of this--
这件事的全部情况——
OK.
好的。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Kevin asks him if he's gathering any of the surveillance footage from the night Mika was killed, the footage they'd been working to preserve.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：凯文问他是否正在收集米卡被杀当晚的监控录像，他们一直在努力保存这些录像。
Maybe this could tell them something, like if Sunny swerved, or if she stopped when she hit Mika, or sped up.
也许这可以告诉他们一些事情，比如桑尼是否转向，或者她在撞到米卡时是否停下来，或者加速。
What would be that you're trying to look for?
您想要寻找什么？
Anything and everything, to get the total grasp of the situation.
凡事都要掌握全局。
Like, for instance, if it is a white supremacist, maybe it was an intentional hit and run.
举例来说，如果是白人至上主义者，也许是故意肇事逃逸。
So now all of a sudden, it's deliberate homicide, and we're not investigating it as such.
所以现在突然间，这是故意杀人，而我们并没有对此进行调查。
What is it that you're-- Kevin Howard I mean, it's about--
你是什么——凯文·霍华德，我的意思是，它是关于——
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: And her children's names, Aryan and Nation.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：还有她孩子的名字，Aryan 和 Nation。
I can't tell you how to name your child.
我不能告诉你如何给你的孩子命名。
Yeah, but if you name your kids Aryan and Nation, chances are you're an affiliate.
是的，但如果你给你的孩子起名为雅利安（Aryan）和国家（Nation），那么你很可能是附属公司。
I can't look at it as that.
我不能这么看。
And I shouldn't look at it as that.
我不应该这样看。
Well, then you shouldn't look at it as Mika was drunk on the side of the road.
好吧，那你就不应该看它，因为米卡在路边喝醉了。
So we don't-- we treat it--
所以我们不——我们对待它——
To me-- Wayne Bieber I can tell you've got pent-up aggression.
对我来说——韦恩·比伯，我可以看出你有被压抑的攻击性。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Carissa is quiet.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Carissa 很安静。
She's now suspicious of Bieber.
她现在对比伯产生了怀疑。
He has Mika's phone with him, and he asks her for the code to open and search it.
他随身携带米卡的手机，并向她索要打开并搜索手机的密码。
She refuses.
她拒绝。
I have to take this.
我必须接受这个。
Kevin Howard Why do you have to take it?
凯文·霍华德 为什么你一定要接受它？
I have to seal this up now because this goes into-- I have to go apply for a warrant.
我现在必须把这封信封起来，因为这涉及到——我必须去申请搜查令。
So can we hold on to it until you get the warrant?
那么我们可以保留它直到你拿到逮捕令吗？
No. Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: He says no. Kevin told me Bieber held up the phone in an evidence bag, sealed it shut.
不。 Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 他说不。凯文告诉我，比伯把手机放在证据袋里，然后密封起来。
So I guess I'm confused as to-- that's our property.
所以我想我很困惑——那是我们的财产。
That's my property.
那是我的财产。
That wasn't--
那不是——
And now it has to get a warrant to collect any information that may be valuable to the investigation.
现在它必须获得搜查令才能收集任何可能对调查有价值的信息。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I can tell you 100% after that we knew that we spooked him, you know?
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我可以 100% 告诉你，在那之后我们知道我们吓到了他，你知道吗？
And so you could tell he was clearly mad after that.
所以你可以看出他在那之后显然很生气。
You could tell he was flustered.
看得出来他很慌张。
I wish we would have recorded him trying to leave our driveway.
我希望我们能记录下他试图离开我们车道的情况。
He went around the light pole thing once because he didn't know which way he was going, and he had trouble trying to back up.
他绕着灯杆绕了一圈，因为他不知道自己要走哪条路，而且他很难向后退。
And it's like, his tires were just spinning.
就好像他的轮胎在旋转。
And we're just standing at the window laughing, and I was like, did that really just happen?
我们只是站在窗边笑，我想，这真的发生了吗？
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: When the Montana Highway Patrol applied for the warrant to search Mika's phone, it listed intoxication while walking on a road as the crime they were investigating, not the crime that killed Mika.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：蒙大拿州公路巡逻队申请搜查米卡手机的搜查令时，将在路上行走醉酒列为他们正在调查的犯罪行为，而不是杀死米卡的犯罪行为。
Carissa and Kevin have been together for 18 years.
卡丽莎和凯文已经在一起 18 年了。
Carissa is Native, Blackfeet and Diné.
卡丽莎是原住民、黑脚族和迪内族。
Kevin is white, but he grew up on the Flathead reservation.
凯文是白人，但他在弗拉特黑德保留地长大。
A lot of his family is Salish Kootenai, including his son.
他的很多家人都是萨利什·库特奈，包括他的儿子。
They met as single parents when Kevin's son was three years old and Mika was six.
当凯文的儿子三岁时，米卡六岁时，他们作为单亲父母相识。
They became a tight family unit.
他们成了一个紧密的家庭单位。
Kevin built them a house at the foot of the mountains.
凯文在山脚下给他们盖了一座房子。
Their albums are full of photos of them camping and hunting together.
他们的相册里满是他们一起露营和打猎的照片。
They told me Mika was a good shot, but she always intentionally missed.
他们告诉我米卡射得很好，但她总是故意失手。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: How has losing Mika impacted your marriage?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：失去 Mika 对您的婚姻有何影响？
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: It's been hard.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：这很难。
I find myself where Kevin's wanting to get me outside, go take a ride up the mountain, and then I'm being reluctant because I'm already thinking in the back of my mind, this is going to make me sad.
我发现凯文想让我出去，骑车上山，然后我很不情愿，因为我已经在心里想，这会让我伤心。
I'm going to cry.
我要哭了。
I don't want to do-- you know?
我不想做——你知道吗？
And I feel bad about that because I know he's just trying to get me outside and do the things that we love and Mika loved.
我对此感到难过，因为我知道他只是想让我出去做我们喜欢和米卡喜欢的事情。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: There's a saying about the highway Mika died on-- "Pray for me.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：关于米卡去世的高速公路，有一种说法——“为我祈祷。
I drive 93." Carissa and Kevin could name three other Native people who had been killed in the last five years while walking this same stretch of highway.
我开的是93。”卡丽莎和凯文还可以说出过去五年中在同一条高速公路上行走时被杀的另外三名原住民的名字。
In none of those cases had the driver been prosecuted or even arrested.
在这些案件中，司机都没有被起诉甚至被捕。
They wanted to know why.
他们想知道为什么。
So a few weeks after their meeting with Bieber, they invited the mothers of the victims over to their house for dinner.
因此，在与比伯会面几周后，他们邀请受害者的母亲到他们家吃晚饭。
They all sat in the living room.
他们都坐在客厅里。
It was a little awkward.
有点尴尬。
Bonnie Ascencio's daughter Maureena was killed in 2022.
邦妮·阿森西奥 (Bonnie Ascencio) 的女儿莫琳娜 (Maureena) 于 2022 年被杀。
I wasn't sure what to say or what to do.
我不知道该说什么或该做什么。
It was a little bit solemn, kind of.
有点庄严，有点。
And then when I started talking about Bieber calling me, they were just like, oh, my gosh!
然后当我开始谈论比伯给我打电话时，他们就像，哦，天哪！
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: They learned they'd all had the same investigator, Wayne Bieber, and the same county prosecutor, James Lapotka, who Carissa and Kevin hadn't heard from yet.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：他们得知他们都有同一个调查员韦恩·比伯（Wayne Bieber）和同一个县检察官詹姆斯·拉波特卡（James Lapotka），但卡丽莎和凯文还没有收到他的消息。
I remember I was like, what the fuck?
我记得我当时想，他妈的怎么了？
Serious?
严肃的？
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: We all looked at each other, us, all our friends, and, like, oh, my gosh, we cannot let them get away with this.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我们互相看着对方，我们，我们所有的朋友，就像，哦，天哪，我们不能让他们逃脱惩罚。
Same lead prosecutor, same lead investigator.
同一位首席检察官，同一位首席调查员。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Maureena was Bonnie's second child to die on the road.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：莫琳娜是邦妮第二个死在路上的孩子。
Her first, Ruby, had been riding with a friend when he crashed their car and killed her.
她的第一个女儿鲁比（Ruby）与一位朋友一起骑行，当时他撞坏了他们的车并杀死了她。
He was intoxicated.
他陶醉了。
He survived.
他活了下来。
Bonnie says the friend told Bieber that Ruby had been driving, but Bonnie's family didn't believe him.
邦妮说，朋友告诉比伯鲁比一直在开车，但邦妮的家人不相信他。
They did their own investigation, found witnesses, including a farmer who said he'd seen the friend in the driver's seat.
他们自己进行了调查，找到了目击者，其中包括一名农民，他说他看到了坐在驾驶座上的朋友。
He went to prison.
他进了监狱。
But if Bonnie and her family hadn't investigated, he might not have been charged.
但如果邦妮和她的家人没有进行调查，他可能不会受到指控。
Two years later, when Maureena died, no one was charged, even though the Montana Highway Patrol knew who the driver was and, the family says, told them that she was over the legal limit for THC.
两年后，当莫琳娜去世时，没有人受到指控，尽管蒙大拿州高速公路巡逻队知道司机是谁，而且据家人说，并告诉他们她的四氢大麻酚含量超过了法定上限。
Bonnie met with the county prosecutor, James Lapotka.
邦妮会见了县检察官詹姆斯·拉波特卡。
They told us specifically at that meeting that they could not win a case if they pressed charges, that it just wasn't enough.
他们在那次会议上特别告诉我们，如果他们提出指控，他们就无法赢得诉讼，这还不够。
And he said, I just know.
他说，我就是知道。
I've done enough of it.
我已经做够了。
I know that we can't win.
我知道我们赢不了。
And I'm not going to take a case to court that I can't win.
我不会将我无法胜诉的案件告上法庭。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: It felt to Bonnie like Lapotka had written her daughter off.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：邦妮感觉拉波特卡已经注销了她的女儿。
She obsessed over the particulars of her daughter's case.
她对女儿案件的细节很着迷。
She wanted to rent a billboard on the highway and brainstormed messages, like, how hard is it to gather evidence?
她想在高速公路上租一个广告牌，并集思广益，比如收集证据有多难？
And whose reservation is this?
这是谁的预订？
And who is protecting who?
而谁又在保护谁呢？
But she didn't have money for a billboard.
但她没有钱买广告牌。
She checked herself into the mental health department at a hospital.
她到一家医院的心理健康科进行了自我检查。
I talked to another mother, Tricia Finley.
我和另一位母亲特里西娅·芬利谈过。
Her son, Aiden, was killed in a hit and run in 2018.
她的儿子艾登 (Aiden) 在 2018 年的一次肇事逃逸中丧生。
She says it was almost six years before anyone in law enforcement shared anything with her about her son's case.
她说，差不多六年后，执法人员才与她分享有关她儿子案件的任何信息。
The county attorney, Lapotka, invited her to his office.
县检察官拉波特卡邀请她到他的办公室。
A witness to Aiden's death had come forward and named the driver.
艾登死亡的一名目击者挺身而出，说出了司机的名字。
But there was a problem-- Bieber had taken four months to locate the driver and get his confession.
但有一个问题——比伯花了四个月的时间才找到司机并得到他的供述。
During that time, the statute of limitations had passed.
在此期间，时效已过。
So they couldn't find him from November until April.
所以从十一月到四月他们都找不到他。
That's what it looks like.
看起来就是这样。
Honestly, if all of this police work would have been wrapped up in November, we could charge him.
老实说，如果所有这些警察工作能在 11 月份完成，我们就可以起诉他。
But--
但是——
Why wasn't it?
为什么不是呢？
James Lapotka Because we didn't get--
詹姆斯·拉波特卡 因为我们没有得到——
That's what it looks like.
看起来就是这样。
Tricia Finley [SCOFFS]
特里西娅·芬利 [SCOFFS]
James Lapotka Because I'd have had until the first week in December--
詹姆斯·拉波特卡 因为我要等到十二月的第一周——
But they knew where he lived.
但他们知道他住在哪里。
I mean, it's not that hard to find somebody.
我的意思是，找到一个人并不难。
My guess is they weren't in a really big hurry to do anything in November and probably, they didn't understand that there was a statute of limitations window closing.
我的猜测是，他们在 11 月份并没有急于做任何事情，而且可能他们不明白有一个诉讼时效窗口关闭的情况。
I bet they weren't paying attention to that at all.
我敢打赌他们根本没有注意到这一点。
Isn't that their job, though?
但这不是他们的工作吗？
James Lapotka Yeah.
詹姆斯·拉波特卡 是的。
Yeah, it is.
是的，确实如此。
--there's-- like, they're going to get away with it?
——有——比如，他们会侥幸逃脱吗？
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: The driver did get away with it.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 司机确实逃脱了处罚。
Lapotka couldn't find a way to charge the case.
拉波特卡找不到起诉此案的方法。
I reached out to Montana Highway Patrol about Bonnie and Tricia's cases, but they declined to answer my questions.
我就邦妮和特里西娅的案件联系了蒙大拿州高速公路巡逻队，但他们拒绝回答我的问题。
There were two harms when Mika was killed, the first when she was hit, the second when she was left on the side of the road to die alone.
米卡被杀有两种伤害，第一种是她被击中，第二种是她被留在路边独自死去。
Nationally, Native pedestrians are six times likelier to be killed in a hit and run than white pedestrians.
在全国范围内，原住民行人在肇事逃逸中丧生的可能性是白人行人的六倍。
I tried to figure out why.
我试图找出原因。
I learned that when states were building their highway systems in the 1920s and '30s, they put them through reservations instead of around them, because if they ran through reservations, the federal government had to pick up the tab.
我了解到，当各州在 20 世纪 20 年代和 30 年代建设高速公路系统时，他们通过预留而不是绕过它们，因为如果他们通过预留，联邦政府就必须买单。
Fewer Native people own cars, so they're more likely to be walking along these roads.
拥有汽车的原住民较少，因此他们更有可能沿着这些道路行走。
They're dying where there are no sidewalks, no street lamps.
他们在没有人行道、没有路灯的地方快要死了。
In Montana, Native pedestrians make up more than half of hit and run fatalities, even though they're just 8% of the population.
在蒙大拿州，原住民行人占肇事逃逸死亡人数的一半以上，尽管他们只占总人口的 8%。
And what happens to the drivers?
司机们会怎样？
I scoured Montana newspapers and court records trying to figure out which cases got prosecuted.
我查阅了蒙大拿州的报纸和法庭记录，试图找出哪些案件被起诉。
I calculated that between 2011 and 2022, in cases where the victim was Native, it was much less likely for the drivers to be found.
我计算过，在 2011 年至 2022 年间，如果受害者是本地人，那么找到司机的可能性就小得多。
And when they were found, their sentences were much lighter.
当他们被发现时，他们的刑罚要轻得多。
During that period, the drivers who killed Native pedestrians in Montana, if you added up all their sentences, it was a total of 51 years.
在那段时期，蒙大拿州杀害原住民行人的司机，如果把所有刑期加起来，总共是51年。
Those who killed non-Native pedestrians, 265 years.
那些杀害非土著行人的人，265 年了。
Carissa and Kevin feared their case could end the same way that Tricia's and Bonnie's did-- with no one charged, even though law enforcement had found the drivers.
卡丽莎和凯文担心他们的案子可能会像特里西娅和邦妮的案子一样结束——尽管执法部门已经找到了司机，但没有人受到指控。
They had a new goal-- get Sunny White arrested.
他们有了新的目标——逮捕桑尼·怀特。
Their strategy was public pressure.
他们的策略是公众压力。
They would bring attention to Mika's case, and also to Bonnie and Tricia's kids' cases, since police had stopped investigating.
由于警方已停止调查，他们会引起人们对米卡案件以及邦妮和特里西娅孩子案件的关注。
That night, they met with the mothers at their house.
那天晚上，他们在家里见到了母亲们。
They came up with this idea.
他们想出了这个主意。
They'd do a four-day walk along Highway 93.
他们沿着 93 号高速公路步行四天。
Mika matters!
米卡很重要！
Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Meena matters!
Carissa Heavy Runner（主题） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：Meena 很重要！
Meena matters!
米娜很重要！
Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Aiden matters!
Carissa Heavy Runner（主题） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：艾登很重要！
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: They ended the walk on the steps of the Lake County courthouse.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：他们在莱克县法院的台阶上结束了步行。
The march was all over local and national media.
当地和国家媒体都报道了这次游行。
Kevin's a mailman and remembers how excited people on the reservation were when he delivered the state's biggest newspaper with Mika's face on the front page.
凯文是一名邮递员，他记得当他递送该州最大的报纸，头版上有米卡的头像时，保留地的人们是多么兴奋。
Carissa created a Facebook group called Mika Matters and quickly collected over 1,000 followers.
Carissa 创建了一个名为 Mika Matters 的 Facebook 群组，并迅速聚集了 1,000 多名关注者。
She started getting invitations to speak at big events, like at the grandstand for the Missoula County Fair.
她开始收到在大型活动中演讲的邀请，例如在米苏拉县博览会的看台上。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Imagine if this was your child.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：想象一下，如果这是你的孩子。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: There's this one video that Carissa shared with the media that blew up.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Carissa 与媒体分享的一段视频引起了轰动。
It's of Mika.
是米卡的。
She's in their laundry room with a ukulele, singing a parody she wrote of Vance Joy's "Riptide."
她在洗衣房里拿着尤克里里琴，唱着她模仿万斯·乔伊的《激流》所写的曲子。
(SINGING) I was scared of rez dogs in the wild
（唱歌）我害怕野外的雷兹狗
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: She's singing, "I was scared of rez dogs in the wild.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：她在唱歌，“我害怕野外的雷兹狗。
I was scared of drunk drivers and catching head lice."
我害怕醉酒司机和感染头虱。”
(SINGING) I was scared of drunk drivers and catching head lice
（唱歌）我害怕醉酒司机和感染头虱
So all my cousins are brown Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: It's clever, funny.
所以我所有的表兄弟都是棕色的 Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：这很聪明，很有趣。
She never wanted to make the video, but when she played the song for Kevin, he begged her to let him film it.
她从来不想制作这段视频，但当她为凯文播放这首歌时，他恳求她让他拍摄它。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Was there an aspect of Mika's case that felt to you, like, oh, this has the potential to become big?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： Mika 案件的某个方面是否让您觉得，哦，这有可能变得更大？
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Oh, yes.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：哦，是的。
I believe it was because of the woman that hit her and her children's names.
我相信这是因为那个女人打了她和她孩子的名字。
And the contrast of them with Mika-- like, Sunny, who appears to be a hateful person, or whatever, and then Mika, who's this hippie child, or whatever, that loves everybody and all that.
他们与米卡的对比——比如，桑尼，他似乎是一个可恨的人，或者其他什么，然后米卡，他是一个嬉皮士孩子，或者其他什么，爱所有人和所有的人。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Yeah, did it ever feel to you-- you're like, oh, this is sort of, like, the perfect victim and perfect villain narrative?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 是的，你有没有感觉——哦，这有点像完美的受害者和完美的反派叙事？
Right.
正确的。
Yeah, Americans are dumb like that.
是啊，美国人就是这么傻。
They need the big villain and the kind, sweet-hearted victim, or whatever.
他们需要大恶棍和善良、心地善良的受害者，或者其他什么。
So it's, like, you're twisted, you know?
所以，就像，你很扭曲，你知道吗？
It's, like, one hand, it's really sad.
就这样，一只手，真的很难过。
And you think of all the other people that no one cares about.
你会想到所有其他没人关心的人。
It's, like, because Mika is this young, beautiful, talented woman, people care about her.
就像，因为米卡是一位年轻、美丽、才华横溢的女性，人们关心她。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: This perfect, dumb American narrative of victim and villain, innocent and guilty, Kevin and Carissa realized that Mika's could be the case that got people to care about all these hit and runs.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：这个关于受害者和恶棍、无辜和有罪的完美、愚蠢的美国式叙述，凯文和卡丽莎意识到米卡的案件可能是让人们关心所有这些肇事逃逸的案件。
And they decided Carissa would be the public face of their movement.
他们决定卡丽莎将成为他们运动的公众形象。
She comes from a politically active family.
她来自一个政治活跃的家庭。
Her dad was a state legislator and a tribal councilman.
她的父亲是一名州议员和部落议员。
Kevin told me he felt a little cynical about all the public events Carissa was having to do.
凯文告诉我，他对卡丽莎必须做的所有公共活动感到有点愤世嫉俗。
He didn't know of any white families who had to make a spectacle of their kids' cases to get justice.
他不知道有哪个白人家庭不得不把孩子的案件闹得沸沸扬扬才能伸张正义。
But he wanted to support Carissa and went to her events.
但他想支持卡丽莎并参加了她的活动。
We're definitely yin and yang.
我们绝对是阴阳。
Like, if it was just me, I'm going to be-- no one's going to like me.
就像，如果只有我一个人，我会——没有人会喜欢我。
No one's going to talk to me.
没有人会跟我说话。
I'm going to piss everyone off.
我要惹恼所有人。
And it's-- I'm not going to get anything accomplished by myself.
而且我自己不会完成任何事情。
Whereas Carissa is the complete opposite.
而卡丽莎则完全相反。
Everyone is going to want to talk to her.
每个人都会想和她说话。
Everyone likes her, you know?
大家都喜欢她，你知道吗？
So I think it's nice to sneak in a couple right hooks, or whatever, that maybe knock some sense into some people without them even realizing it.
所以我认为偷偷打出几个右勾拳或者其他什么的很好，这可能会让一些人在没有意识到的情况下明白一些道理。
And then she's going to be able to make it so everyone isn't just seeing this angry, Debbie Downer-type dude that hates everything.
然后她就能做到这一点，这样每个人就不会只看到这个愤怒的、讨厌一切的黛比·唐纳式的家伙。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Yeah, I'm really struck by that.
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 是的，我对此感到非常震惊。
That's, like--
那就是，就像——
It makes for a very difficult relationship, though, because you never really agree on anything.
然而，这会导致一段非常困难的关系，因为你们从来没有在任何事情上达成真正的共识。
So it's, like, she accepts that I'm wrong, and I accept that she's wrong, in our own minds.
所以，就像，在我们自己看来，她接受我错了，我也接受她错了。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
And we're starting to learn that neither one of us are really wrong.
我们开始认识到我们谁都没有真正的错误。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: What's going through your head, Carissa?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： Carissa，你脑子里在想什么？
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I just-- I don't know.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我只是——我不知道。
I appreciate my husband so much (CHUCKLING) for his truth and his fearlessness, that he's just going to come out and say whatever.
我非常感谢我丈夫（咯咯笑）的诚实和无畏，他会站出来说什么。
That's how we're a good team, is that we are able to cover all sides of it.
这就是我们成为一支优秀团队的原因，我们能够覆盖各个方面。
Coming up, Sierra talks to the county prosecutor about what the hell with not charging and arresting Sunny White.
接下来，塞拉与县检察官讨论了不起诉和逮捕桑尼·怀特究竟是怎么回事。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's show, How to Tell a Dumb American Story.
今天的节目《如何讲述一个愚蠢的美国故事》。
Sierra Crane Murdoch picks up where she left off.
塞拉·克兰·默多克 (Sierra Crane Murdoch) 从她上次停下的地方继续说道。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: The prosecutor for Lake County is James Lapotka.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：莱克县检察官是詹姆斯·拉波特卡。
His jurisdiction is basically the entire Flathead reservation.
他的管辖范围基本上是整个弗拉特黑德保留地。
He's from Wisconsin, but has worked for Lake County for most of his career.
他来自威斯康星州，但职业生涯的大部分时间都在莱克县工作。
He's white, in his early 40s, smiley.
他是白人，四十岁出头，面带微笑。
He looks like a Boy Scout.
他看起来像一名童子军。
Mika's case had drawn more media attention than any other case he'd worked on because of Carissa's organizing.
由于卡丽莎的组织，米卡的案件比他处理过的任何其他案件都引起了更多的媒体关注。
Let me try to dig this out-- 100 pages of comments from Facebook, articles from The New York Times.
让我试着挖掘一下——来自 Facebook 的 100 页评论，来自《纽约时报》的文章。
I got a text message from somebody who is not my friend on Facebook, saying, "You racist piece of shit.
我收到一条不是我 Facebook 好友的短信，他说：“你这个种族歧视者。
You will not try that stupid white supremacist bitch because she's white.
你不会尝试那个愚蠢的白人至上主义婊子，因为她是白人。
You're garbage."
你就是个垃圾。”
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: It was annoying.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：这很烦人。
But the attention also got him more resources from the FBI and the state.
但这种关注也让他从联邦调查局和州政府获得了更多资源。
He met with Carissa and Kevin briefly a couple of times in the months after Mika died.
米卡去世后的几个月里，他曾与卡丽莎和凯文短暂会面过几次。
I tried to assure them, like, I'm not a white supremacist covering up a homicide for my white supremacist friend.
我试图向他们保证，比如，我不是一个白人至上主义者，为我的白人至上主义朋友掩盖谋杀案。
Like, that's not what this is about.
就像，这不是这个的目的。
And I think I got some of that through to them.
我想我已经向他们传达了一些信息。
But I think that they were also a little righteously upset that we weren't moving faster.
但我认为他们也有理由因为我们没有加快步伐而感到不安。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: He acknowledged that Montana Highway Patrol had made mistakes that slowed down the investigation.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：他承认蒙大拿州公路巡逻队犯了错误，导致调查速度减慢。
He had to let Sunny White out of jail because investigators hadn't collected enough evidence to charge her.
他不得不让桑尼·怀特出狱，因为调查人员没有收集到足够的证据来指控她。
He also needed Sunny's blood test results to prove she had been intoxicated, but orders at the Montana Crime Lab were backed up.
他还需要桑尼的验血结果来证明她喝醉了，但蒙大拿州犯罪实验室的命令得到了支持。
He told me he never found anything that proved Sunny hit Mika because she was Native.
他告诉我，他从未找到任何证据证明桑尼之所以打米卡是因为她是本地人。
He couldn't verify the rumor that Sunny had come to the reservation to kill an Indian, so he couldn't charge her with a hate crime.
他无法证实桑尼来到保留地杀死一名印第安人的谣言，因此他无法指控她仇恨犯罪。
I got the sense that he wanted to do a good job for Mika's family.
我感觉到他想为米卡的家人做好事。
The first time we met, I was struck by his genuine warmth whenever he talked about Mika.
我们第一次见面时，每当他谈到米卡时，我就被他真诚的热情所打动。
She was a delightful kid.
她是一个令人愉快的孩子。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Really?
Sierra Crane Murdoch（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 真的吗？
You can tell that just by looking through her phone.
只要看她的手机就可以看出这一点。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: What were some of the-- like, do you remember anything in particular that really endeared you to her?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 你记得有什么特别让她喜欢你的事情吗？
She did a lot of videos and a lot of pictures of her, a lot of selfies.
她拍了很多视频和很多照片，还有很多自拍照。
They were rather innocent, kind of, like, little kid.
他们相当天真，有点像小孩子。
It made me like Mika a lot more.
这让我更加喜欢米卡了。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: It was sweet, but also it made me wonder-- if he didn't have those photos of Mika, would he like her?
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：这很甜蜜，但也让我想知道——如果他没有米卡的那些照片，他会喜欢她吗？
Would he have felt as motivated to work on her case?
他会感到有动力去处理她的案子吗？
He didn't talk this way about Bonnie and Tricia's kids, Maureen and Aiden.
他并没有这样谈论邦妮和特里西娅的孩子莫林和艾登。
He called what happened to them tragic, but he also said he didn't think a jury would have much sympathy for them.
他称他们的遭遇是悲剧，但他也表示，他认为陪审团不会对他们有太多同情。
He said they made choices that put themselves at risk.
他说，他们做出的选择将自己置于危险之中。
Highway Patrol concluded that Aiden was lying in the road when he was hit.
高速公路巡逻队得出结论，艾登被撞时躺在路上。
He'd sent text messages to friends suggesting he was suicidal.
他曾给朋友发短信暗示他有自杀倾向。
And someone reported Maureena stumbling, intoxicated, just before she was killed.
有人报告说，莫琳娜在被杀之前喝醉了，跌倒了。
Lapotka told me he didn't see any way he could win a trial in either case.
拉波特卡告诉我，他认为在这两种情况下都没有办法赢得审判。
But his explanations left out some key details, like the fact that the driver who killed Maureena was intoxicated, too, or that in Aiden's evidence file, the coroner said that Aiden's injuries indicated that he'd been standing when he got hit, not lying down.
但他的解释遗漏了一些关键细节，比如杀死莫琳娜的司机也喝醉了，或者在艾登的证据档案中，验尸官说艾登的伤势表明他被击中时是站着的，而不是躺着的。
All of this was the sort of reasoning that caused so much agony for Tricia and Bonnie, the feeling that law enforcement assumed their kids were responsible for their own deaths.
所有这些推理都给特里西娅和邦妮带来了巨大的痛苦，他们感觉执法部门认为他们的孩子应对自己的死亡负责。
Six months after Mika was killed, in October of 2023, Lapotka was finally close to filing charges against Sunny White.
米卡被杀六个月后，即 2023 年 10 月，拉波特卡终于即将对桑尼·怀特提出指控。
He invited Carissa and Kevin into his office to hear about the evidence he had compiled against her.
他邀请卡丽莎和凯文到他的办公室，听听他收集的针对她的证据。
I was kind of excited.
我有点兴奋。
I'm like, hey guys, look, I-- look, we did it!
我想，嘿伙计们，看，我——看，我们做到了！
Look, I have all this stuff.
看，这些东西我都有。
This is what we've got.
这就是我们所拥有的。
Let me show you the whole thing.
让我向你展示整个事情。
And then this is the timeline and what to expect.
这就是时间表和预期的结果。
That's how I felt.
我就是这么感觉的。
That meeting was-- what that meeting was for.
那次会议是——那次会议的目的。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: That's not how Carissa and Kevin felt about the meeting.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： Carissa 和 Kevin 对这次会议的感受可不是这样。
One of the pieces of evidence he showed them was body cam footage from the day Mika was killed, just hours after Sunny hit her.
他向他们展示的证据之一是米卡被杀当天的随身摄像机录像，就在桑尼殴打她几小时后。
Her SUV, a Cadillac Escalade, had broken down in a church parking lot.
她的SUV凯迪拉克凯雷德在教堂停车场抛锚了。
It was missing the passenger side mirror.
乘客侧后视镜丢失了。
Police had found the mirror not far from Mika's body.
警方在距离米卡尸体不远的地方发现了镜子。
In the video, the officer talks to Sunny outside her car.
在视频中，警官在桑尼的车外与她交谈。
Her two young kids are in the back.
她的两个年幼的孩子坐在后面。
And she's totally just manipulating the shit out of the sheriff, or deputy.
她完全就是在操纵治安官或副警长的行为。
She's crying and-- oh, my gosh, I don't know what's happening.
她在哭——哦，天哪，我不知道发生了什么事。
And that sheriff is like, oh, it's-- letting her smoke cigarettes.
那个警长就像，哦，是——让她抽烟。
Like--
就像——
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: She's not contained--
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：她没有被收容——
I'm thinking, like-- Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: --not handcuffed.
我在想，就像—— Carissa Heavy Runner（主体） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：——没有戴上手铐。
--if this was a Native woman, she would be stuffed and cuffed immediately.
——如果这是一名土著妇女，她会立即被塞住并戴上手铐。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: I saw this video.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：我看了这个视频。
The deputy does actually cuff Sunny for a few minutes.
警官确实给桑尼戴了几分钟手铐。
He tells her she didn't hit a deer-- she hit a person.
他告诉她，她没有打鹿，而是打了人。
And she starts crying, asks if she's going to prison forever.
她开始哭泣，询问她是否会永远入狱。
Not forever, he says.
他说，不会永远。
But then he takes the cuffs off.
但随后他就摘下了手铐。
Her brother-in-law had shown up to pick up her kids.
她的姐夫来接她的孩子了。
Sunny starts moving car seats and bags into his truck.
桑尼开始将汽车座椅和袋子搬进卡车。
I'm like, Lapotka, what the hell?
我想，拉波特卡，到底是什么？
This is a potential crime scene, and he's letting her move items from the vehicle.
这是一个潜在的犯罪现场，他让她从车上搬走物品。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I was quiet that whole thing.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：整件事我都很安静。
I didn't say one thing because I was mad.
我什么也没说，因为我很生气。
Is everyone this dumb [LAUGHS] in this world that are in these positions of power?
这个世界上处于这些权力地位的人都是这么愚蠢的吗？
And we're telling them what they need to look for or do, how to do their-- I don't know.
我们告诉他们需要寻找什么或做什么，如何去做——我不知道。
Me and Kevin's looking at each other, and we're like, oh, my god.
我和凯文互相看着对方，我们心想，哦，天啊。
It's crazy, you know?
这很疯狂，你知道吗？
I just can't believe it, sometimes.
有时我简直不敢相信。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Lapotka thinks that Sunny's phone was probably in one of those bags.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Lapotka 认为 Sunny 的手机可能就在其中一个袋子里。
Highway Patrol never found it.
高速公路巡逻队从未发现过它。
That slowed down the investigation.
这减慢了调查速度。
He suspects there were drugs and paraphernalia in those bags, too.
他怀疑这些袋子里也有毒品和随身物品。
Her toxicology came back positive for methamphetamine and fentanyl.
她的毒理学结果显示甲基苯丙胺和芬太尼呈阳性。
I will readily acknowledge that in hindsight, we should have not let her remove evidence from the vehicle while we're doing an investigation.
我很乐意承认，事后看来，我们不应该让她在我们进行调查时从车上取走证据。
That should not have happened.
那不应该发生。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: But he also told me one of the kids was in a diaper and needed clothes, so he could see why the officer let Sunny move some bags.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：但他还告诉我，其中一个孩子穿着尿布，需要穿衣服，这样他就明白为什么警官让 Sunny 搬一些袋子了。
I kept noticing this dynamic whenever I asked Lapotka about a mistake law enforcement made.
每当我向拉波特卡询问执法部门所犯的错误时，我都会注意到这种动态。
He'd readily acknowledge it, but then he also always had an explanation that assumed the officers had good intentions.
他很乐意承认这一点，但他也总是有一个解释，假设警察是善意的。
Like, when I asked him about Bieber taking Mika's phone, he said, yeah, his bedside manner sucked.
就像，当我问他比伯拿走米卡手机的事时，他说，是的，他在床边的态度很糟糕。
But Bieber is also a good guy, and he needed her phone to quickly rule out suicide.
但比伯也是个好人，他需要她的手机来快速排除自杀的可能性。
If she had been suicidal, it could cause problems for them at trial.
如果她有自杀倾向，可能会在审判时给他们带来麻烦。
Montana Highway Patrol finally arrested Sunny White just a few days after Lapotka showed Carissa and Kevin the body cam footage.
就在拉波特卡向卡丽莎和凯文展示随身摄像机的录像几天后，蒙大拿州公路巡逻队最终逮捕了桑尼·怀特。
She was charged with negligent vehicular homicide, leaving the scene, drug possession, and child endangerment.
她被指控犯有过失车辆杀人罪、离开现场罪、持有毒品罪和危害儿童罪。
Lapotka called Carissa to tell her the news.
拉波特卡打电话给卡丽莎告诉她这个消息。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I couldn't believe that it was happening.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我简直不敢相信这一切正在发生。
Yeah, it was shocking if you just think about the fact that it took us seven months to get to square one.
是的，如果你想想我们花了七个月才达到第一个目标的事实，那就令人震惊了。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Would you have brought charges without the amount of media attention that Kevin and Carissa brought to this case?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 如果没有 Kevin 和 Carissa 对此案引起的媒体关注，您会提出指控吗？
Yes.
是的。
It might have taken a little longer, and it might not have been as good.
可能需要更长的时间，而且效果可能不会那么好。
I think eventually, we would have brought charges.
我想最终我们会提出指控。
Honestly, the amount of media attention made it easier for me to get help from people.
老实说，媒体的大量关注让我更容易从人们那里获得帮助。
So our case ended up being better because of what they did, but they didn't have to do that to get my attention.
因此，由于他们所做的事情，我们的案子最终变得更好，但他们不必这样做才能引起我的注意。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Sunny White pleaded not guilty and posted bond immediately-- $100,000.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Sunny White 不认罪，并立即交纳了 10 万美元的保释金。
I reached out to her for an interview and didn't hear back.
我联系她接受采访，但没有收到回复。
Now that Sunny had been arrested, Kevin and Carissa had a new goal.
桑尼被捕后，凯文和卡丽莎有了新的目标。
They announced it to the media at a press conference outside the Lake County courthouse.
他们在莱克县法院外的新闻发布会上向媒体宣布了这一消息。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I'm thankful that today finally happened, where Sunny White was read her charges.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我很庆幸今天终于发生了，Sunny White 被宣读了她的指控。
I don't want the judge and the county to take the easy way out, doing a plea bargain.
我不希望法官和县政府采取简单的办法，进行辩诉交易。
I would like to see this go to trial.
我希望看到此案进入审判阶段。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: What did a trial mean to you?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 审判对您来说意味着什么？
Like, what would a trial have given you?
比如，审判会给你带来什么？
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I was thinking, yeah, plea bargain, that's the easy way out.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我在想，是的，辩诉交易，这是最简单的出路。
That's keeping it hush-hush, sweeping it under the rug.
这就是保持秘密，将其隐藏起来。
That's cutting the media out and all that.
这就是切断媒体等等。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
It's ending abruptly when we did all this.
当我们做完这一切的时候一切就突然结束了。
And looking at the bigger goal as, it would be trial, and everything would be laid out and all that, you know?
看看更大的目标，这将是一次审判，一切都会安排妥当，所有这些，你知道吗？
That's what I visualized.
这就是我所想象的。
Yeah, if it was to go to trial, Lapotka and Lake County would have had, and the Montana Highway Patrol would have had to present it to the world exactly how they investigated this case.
是的，如果要接受审判，拉波特卡和莱克县就会接受审判，而蒙大拿州公路巡逻队将不得不向世界展示他们是如何调查此案的。
Any halfway decent attorney would have been able to pick apart their so-called investigation and evidence.
任何一个还算不错的律师都能够拆穿他们所谓的调查和证据。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Yeah, that's so interesting.
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 是的，这太有趣了。
Like, would you say you wanted the state to lose?
就像，你会说你希望国家失败吗？
I mean, absolutely, which kind of probably sounds ridiculous.
我的意思是，绝对的，这听起来可能很荒谬。
So I mean, Mika is gone.
所以我的意思是，米卡走了。
There's nothing that's going to ever bring her back.
没有什么能让她回来。
So I would sacrifice Mika's personal justice for a big-picture justice.
所以我愿意牺牲米卡的个人正义来换取大局正义。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
That would be a very easy sacrifice for me, personally.
就我个人而言，这将是一个非常容易的牺牲。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Kevin kept thinking about this one time, shortly before Mika was killed.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：在米卡被杀前不久，凯文一直在思考这个问题。
He was in the kitchen.
他在厨房里。
I came in the house to eat something, and Mika was in her room.
我进屋吃点东西，米卡在她的房间里。
And she comes bolting out, like, hey, bro, if someone murked me, you'd forgive them, right?
然后她就冲出来了，就像，嘿，兄弟，如果有人对我低声说话，你会原谅他们的，对吧？
And I just remember, like, what are you talking about, weirdo?
我只记得，就像，你在说什么，怪人？
And she's like, well, you would, right?
她说，好吧，你会的，对吧？
And I was like, I don't know.
我当时想，我不知道。
Would you want me to?
你想要我这么做吗？
She said, well, yeah.
她说，嗯，是的。
And I was like, well, then, yeah, I guess.
我想，好吧，然后，是的，我想。
To me, it was like some dumb thing she would say.
对我来说，这就像她说的一些愚蠢的话。
But and then later, she's dead by the hands of someone else.
但后来，她却死在了别人的手上。
And I was, like-- it tripped me out, you know?
我当时就觉得——这让我绊倒了，你知道吗？
I had to forgive that-- Sunny White right away.
我必须立即原谅这一点——Sunny White。
And I did, you know?
我做到了，你知道吗？
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Forgiving Sunny was easier than he thought.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：原谅 Sunny 比他想象的要容易。
He wasn't angry at her.
他并没有生她的气。
He was angry at Montana and Lake County for how they handled this case, for how they handled Bonnie's and Tricia's cases, too.
他对蒙大拿州和莱克县处理此案的方式感到愤怒，也对他们处理邦妮和特里西娅案件的方式感到愤怒。
It was the state's fault that a driver could leave a Native pedestrian to die on the side of the road and think she'd get away with it.
一名司机将一名原住民行人扔在路边死去，并认为她可以逃脱惩罚，这是国家的错。
A trial date was set for December 2024.
审判日期定于 2024 年 12 月。
Lapotka invited Carissa and Kevin to his office for another meeting.
拉波特卡邀请卡丽莎和凯文到他的办公室参加另一次会议。
He had some good news.
他有一些好消息。
The case had become so high-profile that the Montana Attorney General's Office sent in one of its best trial attorneys, Thorin Geist.
此案变得如此引人注目，以至于蒙大拿州总检察长办公室派出了最好的审判律师之一索林·盖斯特(Thorin Geist)。
And he'd gotten Mika's blood alcohol content excluded from trial.
他还把米卡的血液酒精含量排除在审判之外。
This was a big win for Carissa and Kevin.
这对卡丽莎和凯文来说是一个巨大的胜利。
Mika had been over the legal limit for walking on the road.
米卡已经超过了在路上行走的法定限制。
But within a couple of minutes, the real point of this meeting became clear.
但几分钟之内，这次会议的真正意义就变得清晰了。
Sunny's attorney came to us a couple of weeks back and wanted to talk about what we think would be a fair resolution to this case, but we wanted to consult with you before we made any formal offer.
几周前，桑尼的律师来找我们，想谈谈我们认为对本案公平的解决方案，但我们想在提出任何正式报价之前先咨询一下您。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: So that's a plea bargain, right?
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：所以这是辩诉交易，对吧？
Yeah.
是的。
Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: OK.
Carissa Heavy Runner（主题） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：好的。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: A plea bargain.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：辩诉交易。
Carissa is caught off guard.
嘉莉莎措手不及。
She thought she'd made it clear to Lapotka that they wanted a trial.
她认为她已经向拉波特卡明确表示他们想要进行审判。
Lapotka says he is ready to go to trial, but he also wants to offer a plea because anything can happen at a trial.
拉波特卡表示，他已准备好接受审判，但他也想提出抗辩，因为审判中任何事情都可能发生。
They could lose the whole thing on one jury member.
他们可能会因为一名陪审团成员而输掉整个事情。
And even if they did win, Sunny would likely file an appeal.
即使他们真的赢了，桑尼也可能会提出上诉。
It could take years to work its way through the courts.
通过法庭审理可能需要数年时间。
Lapotka is in this dance with the family.
拉波特卡和家人一起跳舞。
He doesn't have to do what the family says, but he has an incentive to get them on his side, because if the family doesn't want a plea bargain, the judge could reject it.
他不必按照家人所说的去做，但他有动力让他们站在他一边，因为如果家人不想要辩诉交易，法官可能会拒绝。
So Lapotka keeps pressuring them to consider a plea deal, but then he also keeps trying to make it seem like he's not.
因此，拉波特卡不断向他们施压，要求他们考虑达成认罪协议，但他也一直试图让自己看起来好像没有。
We are not afraid.
我们不害怕。
I don't want you to think we're just trying to settle this so we can go home.
我不想让你认为我们只是想解决这个问题，这样我们就可以回家了。
To me, this is an opportunity to make a change.
对我来说，这是一个做出改变的机会。
I don't know.
我不知道。
That's all--
仅此而已——
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: The state prosecutor, Thorin Geist, says he'd like to make a plea offer tomorrow.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：州检察官 Thorin Geist 表示，他希望明天提出认罪请求。
He needs them to think about numbers.
他需要他们思考数字。
If Sunny pleads guilty to the first two counts, vehicular homicide and leaving the scene, that gives them up to 40 years in prison.
如果桑尼承认前两项罪名，即车辆杀人和离开现场，他们将被判处最高 40 年的监禁。
But she wouldn't serve all of the years she's sentenced to.
但她不会服完所有的刑期。
They'd have to offer to suspend some of that time.
他们必须提出暂停一些时间。
The question then becomes this-- what does justice look like to this family?
那么问题就变成了——对于这个家庭来说，正义是什么样的？
To me, the whole point of this trial would be to discourage future freakin' homicides.
对我来说，这次审判的全部意义在于阻止未来发生怪异的杀人事件。
And so my concern is-- and I know that Mika would feel the same way-- is these other Aryan nations, we've had an influx of these groups moving here recently.
所以我担心的是——我知道米卡也会有同样的感觉——这些其他雅利安国家，我们最近有大量的这些群体涌入这里。
They need to see these hard numbers.
他们需要看到这些硬数字。
So there's got to be-- 40 years is like, oh, shit, that's my life.
所以，40 年就像是，哦，操，这就是我的生活。
My life is essentially done.
我的人生基本上已经完成了。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Kevin told me his strategy at this point was to offer Sunny an unrealistic deal so trial would be her only option.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：凯文告诉我，他目前的策略是向桑尼提供一项不切实际的交易，因此审判将是她唯一的选择。
Lapotka turns to Carissa.
拉波特卡转向卡丽莎。
Carissa, you're awful quiet over there.
卡丽莎，你那边太安静了。
You were just starting to say something.
你刚开始说些什么。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: No, I'm just thinking.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：不，我只是在想。
Sorry, go ahead.
抱歉，请继续。
Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: When would you like us to tell you what terms?
Carissa Heavy Runner（主题） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：您希望我们什么时候告诉您什么条款？
I mean, today?
我是说，今天？
If we could get-- Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Oh, it is.
如果我们能得到—— Carissa Heavy Runner（主题） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：哦，是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Gosh.
天哪。
--something from you by Tuesday, that would help us out a lot.
——周二之前你会发来一些信息，这会对我们有很大帮助。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: And if sooner, we'll--
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：如果早点的话，我们会——
Yeah.
是的。
Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: --yeah, we'll get a hold of you.
Carissa Heavy Runner（主题） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：--是的，我们会找到你的。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Up until this meeting, Kevin and Carissa had presented a united front, even when they disagreed.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：在这次会议之前，凯文和卡丽莎表现出了统一战线，即使他们存在分歧。
But this question of whether to keep pushing for trial or to sign off on a plea deal revealed a fracture between them.
但在是否继续推动审判或签署认罪协议的问题上，暴露了他们之间的分歧。
They didn't discuss it any more on the way home.
回家的路上，他们没有再讨论这件事。
Kevin wanted a trial.
凯文想要审判。
Carissa understood, but she also understood that prosecutors were going to offer a plea, no matter what.
卡丽莎明白，但她也明白，无论如何，检察官都会提出抗辩。
She felt caught between aligning with her husband and showing willingness to work with the state so they didn't cut her out.
她感到左右为难，既要与丈夫结盟，又要表现出与国家合作的意愿，这样他们就不会把她排除在外。
She didn't want to lose what little control she had.
她不想失去自己仅有的一点控制权。
So when Lapotka called her a few days later to ask for a number, she told him 40 years with 20 suspended.
因此，几天后，当拉波特卡打电话给她询问电话号码时，她告诉他 40 年有期徒刑，其中 20 年被缓刑。
I tried calling Kevin after to see how he felt.
之后我试着给凯文打电话，看看他的感受如何。
He didn't pick up.
他没有接听。
Instead, I got a call from Carissa.
相反，我接到了卡丽莎的电话。
She sounded worried that I'd heard they had a disagreement.
她听起来很担心我听说他们有分歧。
A week passed.
一周过去了。
Sunny still hadn't accepted the plea deal, which was about to expire.
桑尼仍然没有接受即将到期的认罪协议。
Carissa and Kevin headed to court.
卡丽莎和凯文前往法庭。
They sat in the front row.
他们坐在前排。
I sat behind them, waiting for their case to come up.
我坐在他们后面，等待他们的案件审理。
Suddenly, Lapotka approached.
突然，拉波特卡走近了。
He leaned over to whisper in Carissa's ear.
他倾身在卡丽莎耳边低声说道。
Then she leaned over and whispered to Kevin.
然后她俯身对凯文低声说道。
They followed Lapotka out of the courtroom.
他们跟着拉波特卡走出了法庭。
When they returned a few minutes later, I couldn't read their faces.
几分钟后他们回来时，我看不清他们的表情。
Carissa whispered to her dad.
卡丽莎对她父亲小声说道。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I just want it to be over.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我只想结束。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: The judge called up their case.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：法官提起了他们的案件。
OK, so now we'll go to DC 23-344, State of Montana versus Sunny Catherine White.
好的，现在我们将前往 DC 23-344，蒙大拿州对阵 Sunny Catherine White。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: The courtroom door opened again, and Sunny walked in.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：法庭的门再次打开，桑尼走了进来。
I have just been handed a plea agreement.
我刚刚收到一份认罪协议。
Is that correct?
这是正确的吗？
That is correct, Your Honor.
是的，法官大人。
And I'm sorry for our tardiness.
我对我们的迟到感到抱歉。
Oh, it's OK.
哦，没关系。
All right, so-- Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: I noticed that Sunny had a new tattoo on her forehead, over her right brow.
好吧，那么—— Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 我注意到 Sunny 的额头上有一个新纹身，位于她的右眉毛上方。
It said "Aryan" in blue cursive.
上面用蓝色草书写着“雅利安人”。
So Ms. White, with your rights in mind, are you ready to enter into a plea based on the plea agreement?
那么怀特女士，考虑到您的权利，您准备好根据认罪协议进行认罪了吗？
Yes.
是的。
Judge As to counts one and two, how do you plead?
法官 对于罪状一和罪状二，你如何辩护？
Guilty, Your Honor.
有罪，法官大人。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Sunny's defense attorney read the facts she was pleading guilty to.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：桑尼的辩护律师宣读了她认罪的事实。
Sunny, as to count one, on or about March 31 of 2023, did you negligently cause the death of Mika Westwolf while operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of drugs in Lake County, Montana?
Sunny，就第一个而言，2023 年 3 月 31 日左右，您是否在蒙大拿州莱克县吸毒驾驶机动车时疏忽导致 Mika Westwolf 死亡？
Yes.
是的。
Attorney And you did not render aid or remain at the scene?
律师 你没有提供援助或留在现场吗？
Yes.
是的。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Carissa started crying.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： Carissa 开始哭了。
She leaned into her dad.
她靠在她爸爸身上。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: [CRYING]
（对象）Carissa Heavy Runner：[哭泣]
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Carissa and Kevin didn't get a trial, but Carissa did get something she hadn't expected-- she heard Sunny White admit to killing their daughter.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Carissa 和 Kevin 没有受到审判，但 Carissa 确实得到了她意想不到的结果——她听到 Sunny White 承认杀害了他们的女儿。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: It was a huge, almost instantaneous weight off my shoulders.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：这是一个巨大的、几乎瞬间就从我肩上卸下的重量。
I just felt it gone.
我只是感觉它消失了。
And that's part of what brought on the crying.
这就是导致哭泣的部分原因。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Something just clicked inside of me where I just felt like, finally, you know?
我内心突然有什么感觉，我感觉，终于，你知道吗？
She's admitting guilt.
她承认有罪。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Of course, Kevin did not feel that way.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：当然，Kevin 没有这样的感觉。
We just played right into their hand.
我们正中了他们的下怀。
It was the best-case scenario to get the family to be OK with a slap on the wrist.
这是最好的情况，只要一巴掌就能让家人安定下来。
So I felt dirty.
所以我觉得很脏。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Did you sense how Carissa felt?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 你感受到 Carissa 的感受了吗？
I did feel her relief.
我确实感受到了她的轻松。
I think that she was really trying to ignore my vibe, which-- and I totally understand.
我认为她真的想忽视我的氛围，我完全理解。
She deserves all the credit, and she's taken on the weight of this way more than I have.
所有的荣誉都是她应得的，而且她比我承担了更多的责任。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Carissa had asked for 40 years with 20 suspended, but the plea offer Sunny agreed to was 30 years with 20 suspended.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Carissa 要求 40 年监禁，其中 20 年缓刑，但 Sunny 同意的认罪提议是 30 年监禁，其中 20 年缓刑。
What this meant was that Sunny would spend a maximum of 10 years in prison.
这意味着桑尼最多将在监狱里度过10年。
And she could still request parole and get out earlier.
她仍然可以申请假释并提前出狱。
To prevent that, Carissa and Kevin could ask the judge for a parole restriction at Sunny's sentencing hearing, make it so that Sunny would have to stay in prison the full 10 years.
为了防止这种情况发生，卡丽莎和凯文可以在桑尼的量刑听证会上要求法官限制假释，这样桑尼就必须在监狱里呆满十年。
That way, they wouldn't have to keep returning to court to make their case every time she applied for parole.
这样，他们就不必每次她申请假释时都回到法庭陈述案件。
Or they could try to get the judge to reject the plea deal and send it back to trial.
或者他们可以尝试让法官拒绝认罪协议并将其送回审判。
(SUBJECT) GEORGE HEAVY RUNNER: Yeah, let's put them in there.
（主题）GEORGE HEAVY RUNNER：是的，让我们把它们放在那里。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Sunny's sentencing hearing was on a snowy morning this past February.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：桑尼的量刑听证会是在今年二月的一个下雪的早晨。
Mika's family and supporters gathered in front of the Lake County courthouse to put up a red teepee.
米卡的家人和支持者聚集在莱克县法院前，搭建了一个红色的圆锥形帐篷。
This was almost two years after Mika was killed.
这距离米卡被杀已经快两年了。
Carissa handed out Mika Matters T-shirts.
Carissa 分发了 Mika Matters T 恤。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I got your shirts right here, guys.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：伙计们，我在这里拿到了你们的衬衫。
This is my daughter, Lisa.
这是我的女儿，丽莎。
Carissa Heavy Runner (SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Yeah, hey, Lisa.
Carissa Heavy Runner（主题） CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：是的，嘿，丽莎。
Thanks for coming.
感谢您的光临。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Kevin hadn't shown up yet, and Carissa kept looking around for him.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：凯文还没有出现，卡丽莎一直在四处寻找他。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Just waiting for Kevin to bring the extension cords for the hot chocolate.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：正在等凯文拿来热巧克力的延长线。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: They'd been fighting.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：他们一直在打架。
Kevin still didn't want the plea deal.
凯文仍然不想要认罪协议。
He didn't want to endorse the state's narrative that they were getting justice.
他不想认可该州关于他们正在得到正义的说法。
But Carissa was exhausted.
但卡丽莎已经筋疲力尽了。
She wanted it all to be over.
她希望一切都结束。
She started venting to a friend.
她开始向朋友发泄。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: We haven't even been talking.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我们还没聊过呢。
I don't know if we're going to survive this, honestly.
老实说，我不知道我们是否能幸存下来。
It's him.
是他。
He can't handle what I'm doing, I guess.
我猜他无法处理我正在做的事情。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It sucks.
太糟糕了。
And to pull this shit, like, right before this?
就在这之前就搞这些事？
Selfish.
自私。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Kevin still hadn't arrived when the sentencing hearing was about to start.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：当量刑听证会即将开始时，凯文还没有到达。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I'd better get in.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我最好进去。
It's 8:53.
现在是 8 点 53 分。
But thank you for being here.
但谢谢你来到这里。
I hope Kevin's not too late.
我希望凯文还不算太晚。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: The room was packed, most of them here for Mika.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 房间里挤满了人，其中大多数人都是为了 Mika 而来的。
Mika's young cousins were curled up on their puffy jackets on the floor.
米卡年轻的表兄弟们蜷缩在地板上的蓬松夹克上。
Finally, Kevin arrived-- dirty boots, jeans, hoodie.
终于，凯文来了——脏兮兮的靴子、牛仔裤、连帽衫。
A screen to the judge's right rotated through portraits of Mika and candid family photos.
法官右侧的屏幕旋转显示米卡的肖像和偷拍的家庭照片。
One by one, the judge called her relatives up to speak.
法官一一叫来她的亲属发言。
They told stories about Mika.
他们讲述了有关米卡的故事。
Her Great-Aunt Iris named eight of her own relatives who have been killed on roads in Montana.
她的姨婆艾丽丝列出了她自己在蒙大拿州道路上被杀的八名亲戚的名字。
I got the sense of how relentless grief can be when new cases are opening before old ones even close.
我体会到，当新案件在旧案件结案之前就开始审理时，悲伤是多么无情。
Finally, it was Kevin's turn.
终于轮到凯文了。
All right, Mr. Howard.
好的，霍华德先生。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: He slumped onto the stand, hung his ballcap on his knee.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：他瘫倒在看台上，将球帽挂在膝盖上。
What would you like to say to the court here today?
今天你有什么想对法庭说的吗？
So as you've all heard, Mika was quite a special person.
正如你们都听说的，米卡是一个非常特别的人。
As a parent, typically, we teach our children.
作为父母，我们通常会教导我们的孩子。
I think in my case, I learned a lot more from her than I taught her.
我认为就我而言，我从她身上学到的东西比我教给她的要多得多。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: He told the story again of Mika in the kitchen, when she asked if he'd ever forgive a person who murdered her.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：当米卡问他是否会原谅谋杀她的人时，他在厨房里再次讲述了米卡的故事。
I have no choice but to honor her wishes and forgive Mrs. White for her heinous act.
我别无选择，只能尊重她的意愿，原谅怀特夫人的罪恶行径。
But growing up on this rez, I've lost other family members in similar ways that didn't receive justice.
但在这个地方长大的我，也以类似的方式失去了其他家庭成员，但没有得到正义。
And so for that, I cannot forgive.
因此，我无法原谅。
And until there's a change that's made, I hold Lake County responsible.
在做出改变之前，我认为莱克县负有责任。
I hold this court responsible.
我认为这个法庭负有责任。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: He brought up what Montana Highway Patrol did to Bonnie after her daughter Maureena was killed.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：他提到了蒙大拿州高速公路巡逻队在邦妮的女儿莫琳娜被杀后对她所做的事情。
The same lead investigator of the Highway Patrol, Wayne Bieber, stonewalled Meena's mom and basically intimidated her to just back down and let things go.
公路巡逻队的首席调查员韦恩·比伯（Wayne Bieber）阻止了米娜的妈妈，基本上是恐吓她让步，让事情过去。
So we are not receiving justice today.
所以我们今天没有得到正义。
Even though we're all here thinking we are, you guys are pacifying us in an effort to continue about your discriminatory practices.
尽管我们都在这里自以为是，但你们却在安抚我们，努力继续你们的歧视性做法。
She will be granted parole.
她将获得假释。
She's a white lady with two young children.
她是一位白人女士，有两个年幼的孩子。
Why wouldn't she?
她为什么不呢？
That's the way the system works.
这就是系统的工作方式。
All right, well, you don't-- I know everything that you're saying is completely valid.
好吧，好吧，你不知道——我知道你所说的一切都是完全正确的。
I totally understand where you're coming from, but you don't actually-- you don't know what this court is going to sentence her to yet.
我完全理解你的想法，但你实际上并不知道法庭会判她什么。
Thank you, Your Honor.
谢谢您，法官大人。
And I hope that it's not the plea deal.
我希望这不是认罪协议。
I hope that we go to trial and we see exactly how this investigation took place, how we, as a family, were forced to investigate our own daughter's death.
我希望我们能接受审判，我们能清楚地看到调查是如何进行的，我们作为一个家庭是如何被迫调查我们自己女儿的死亡的。
What kind of nonsense is that?
这是哪门子胡言乱语啊？
You guys need to do better.
你们需要做得更好。
I mean, how many families do you know personally, James, that have not received justice?
我的意思是，詹姆斯，你个人认识有多少家庭没有得到正义？
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: He means James Lapotka, the county prosecutor.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：他指的是县检察官 James Lapotka。
Sorry, he can't answer you.
抱歉，他无法回答你。
Kevin Howard I'm done.
凯文·霍华德 我说完了。
Yeah.
是的。
Thank you, Your Honor.
谢谢您，法官大人。
And you don't agree with the plea agreement?
你不同意认罪协议？
Absolutely not.
绝对不是。
Judge You would have wanted this to go to trial?
法官您会希望这件事受到审判吗？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
And not to-- just to expose the-- the--
并不是为了——只是为了揭露——那个——
--inadequate investigation.
——调查不充分。
Judge And it seems that you went through-- the treatment that you were subjected to is horrible.
法官 看来你经历了——你所受到的待遇是可怕的。
And I'm so sorry for that.
我对此感到非常抱歉。
Yet nothing is being done.
然而什么也没做。
Judge And I think that it's powerful for you to come here today, though, to talk about this.
法官：不过，我认为你今天来到这里谈论这个问题是很有力量的。
And we need to hear from folks like you who have been treated badly.
我们需要听取像您这样受到虐待的人的意见。
And so thank you for coming and saying all of that.
感谢您过来并说了这一切。
All right.
好的。
Thank you--
谢谢你——
You can make the change, Your Honor.
法官大人，您可以做出改变。
You can start the change.
你可以开始改变了。
All right.
好的。
Well, thank you very much.
嗯，非常感谢。
Anything else you'd like to add?
您还有什么要补充的吗？
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: This is the first time the judge has heard that Mika's family doesn't like the plea deal.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：这是法官第一次听说 Mika 的家人不喜欢认罪协议。
I wondered if the judge might actually reject the plea and send the whole case back to trial.
我想知道法官是否真的会拒绝认罪并将整个案件发回审判。
But then Carissa took the stand.
但随后卡丽莎出庭作证。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Hello, everyone.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER： 大家好。
[SIGHS] Thank you for being here.
[叹气]谢谢你来到这里。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: She pulled out a crumpled sheet from a yellow legal pad.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：她从黄色便笺簿中拿出一张皱巴巴的纸。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I had to speak up, as hard as it was, when all I wanted to do was stay in bed and do nothing and just cry.
（主题）Carissa Heavy Runner：尽管我很努力，但我还是不得不大声说出来，而我只想躺在床上，什么都不做，只是哭泣。
But I couldn't because that's not who I am.
但我不能，因为那不是我。
And that is not the people that I come from.
我不是这样的人。
And that's not the values that I instilled in my daughter.
这不是我灌输给我女儿的价值观。
And I had to do what I had to do, as hard as it was-- so hard.
我必须做我必须做的事，尽管很难——非常难。
And this is what all these other families are up against, when you should just be able to grieve and trust the system, trust the law enforcement to have open communication with you and to trust that they're doing their job.
这就是所有其他家庭所面临的，当你应该能够悲伤并相信这个系统，相信执法部门与你进行公开沟通并相信他们正在做他们的工作时。
And I didn't have that trust.
而我却没有这种信任。
And it's breaking our family.
它正在破坏我们的家庭。
It's causing strain between me and my husband.
这导致我和我丈夫之间关系紧张。
And most families, parents that lose a child, they don't survive when-- the loss of a child.
大多数家庭，失去孩子的父母，一旦失去孩子，他们就无法生存。
I don't know if me and my husband will survive this.
我不知道我和我丈夫是否能挺过这一劫。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: At the end of her statement, they cued up the ukulele video, and right before they hit Play, the judge interrupted.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：在她的陈述结束时，他们播放了尤克里里视频，就在他们点击播放之前，法官打断了她。
What I want to know, though, in addition to everything that you've already testified to, is what you think about the plea agreement.
不过，除了你已经作证的一切之外，我想知道的是你对认罪协议的看法。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: I would like that the 10-year that attorneys are going to be fighting for, I would like that to be taken into consideration.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：我希望律师们将要争取的十年，我希望能够考虑到这一点。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: She asked for a parole restriction, not a trial.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：她要求的是假释限制，而不是审判。
You may step down.
你可以下台。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Only a few people spoke on Sunny's behalf.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 只有少数人代表 Sunny 发言。
They emphasized what a good mother she was.
他们强调她是一位多么好的母亲。
They said she should get a shorter prison term so that she can return to her kids sooner.
他们说她应该缩短刑期，这样她就可以早点回到孩子身边。
Her defense attorney said that Sunny was a victim, too.
她的辩护律师表示，桑尼也是受害者。
Her husband was abusive.
她的丈夫有虐待行为。
The night Sunny killed Mika, she was escaping a domestic violence incident.
桑尼杀死米卡的那天晚上，她正在逃避家庭暴力事件。
He was the white supremacist, the attorney said, not Sunny.
律师说，他是白人至上主义者，而不是桑尼。
She shouldn't be the one who shoulders all the blame.
她不应该承担所有的责任。
And she shouldn't have to be punished for the ways the justice system failed Mika's family.
她不应该因为司法系统对米卡家人的辜负而受到惩罚。
Then she passed it off to Sunny, who stood facing the judge.
然后她把它传给站在法官对面的桑尼。
She wore a cream-colored blouse and read from a piece of paper.
她穿着一件米色衬衫，正在读一张纸。
I want to start by saying, I take responsibility for my actions in these matters.
首先我想说，我对自己在这些问题上的行为负责。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: She immediately started talking about her own kids, how she was still breastfeeding her youngest, how she was staying sober for them.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：她立即开始谈论自己的孩子，她如何仍在母乳喂养她最小的孩子，她如何为他们保持清醒。
She didn't try to explain or deny her white supremacy affiliations, nor did she take full responsibility for killing Mika.
她没有试图解释或否认她的白人至上主义立场，也没有为杀害米卡承担全部责任。
To the family, friends, and loved ones of Mika Westwolf, I give my most sincerest apologies for the horrid pain and suffering that I played a part in causing you all.
向米卡·韦斯特沃尔夫的家人、朋友和亲人致以最诚挚的歉意，因为我给你们带来了可怕的痛苦和折磨。
[CRYING]
[哭泣]
All right.
好吧。
Thank you.
谢谢。
OK, is there any reason why sentence should not now be imposed?
好的，有什么理由不应该现在判刑吗？
No, Your Honor.
不，法官大人。
Attorney Not from defense.
律师 不是辩护方。
OK, so I am going to go along with the plea agreement.
好的，所以我将同意认罪协议。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Sunny would spend 10 years in prison.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：桑尼将在监狱里度过 10 年。
But there was still the question of whether or not she could get parole before then.
但在此之前她能否获得假释仍然是一个问题。
The judge addressed Sunny directly.
法官直接对桑尼说道。
I do not find your version of events credible.
我认为你对事件的描述不可信。
This is simply you continuing to mitigate your responsibility and blaming others for what you did.
这只是你继续减轻自己的责任，并将自己的所作所为归咎于他人。
So therefore, having been found guilty of count one, vehicular homicide while under the influence, sentence is imposed as follows.
因此，被判犯有第一罪状，酒后驾车杀人罪，判决如下。
The defendant shall be committed to the Montana State Prison for 25 years, with 15 of those years suspended, on the following conditions.
被告应在蒙大拿州监狱服刑 25 年，其中 15 年缓刑，条件如下。
The defendant shall be ineligible for parole for a period of 10 years.
被告在 10 年内不得假释。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Ineligible for parole-- they had won.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：没有假释资格——他们赢了。
Carissa reached for Kevin's hand, leaned into him.
卡丽莎伸手握住凯文的手，靠在他身上。
They stayed seated as their relatives huddled around to embrace them.
他们坐在座位上，而他们的亲戚则挤在一起拥抱他们。
You are remanded to the custody of the Lake County Sheriff for transportation to the Montana State Prison.
您将被还押给莱克县治安官并送往蒙大拿州监狱。
All right.
好的。
Anything further?
还有什么吗？
All right.
好的。
Thank you.
谢谢。
We are adjourned for the day.
我们今天休会。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Sunny was handcuffed and led out the door.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Sunny 被戴上手铐并带出了门。
Carissa finally stood and gave Lapotka a long hug.
卡丽莎终于站起来，给了拉波特卡一个长久的拥抱。
People streamed out around them, glassy-eyed.
人们从他们周围涌出来，目光呆滞。
Some supporters from the overflow room rushed Kevin.
溢出室的一些支持者冲向凯文。
They said he should run for office.
他们说他应该竞选公职。
He seemed lighter than I'd ever seen him and surprised by the judge's ruling.
他看上去比我见过的任何时候都轻松，并且对法官的裁决感到惊讶。
In a sense, justice prevailed, you know?
从某种意义上说，正义获胜了，你知道吗？
It's the best we can hope for.
这是我们所能期望的最好的结果。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Outside, at the red teepee, there was hot chocolate.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：外面的红色圆锥形帐篷里有热巧克力。
Anybody got a mug?
有人有杯子吗？
Anyone?
有人吗？
Sierra Crane Murdoch (HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Carissa gave another speech, then checked in with all the television reporters.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（主持人） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：Carissa 又发表了一次演讲，然后与所有电视记者进行了交流。
(SUBJECT) CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER: Those that gave testimony, we did what we came here to do today.
（主题）CARISSA HEAVY RUNNER：那些提供证词的人，我们做了我们今天来这里要做的事情。
Thank you so much.
太感谢了。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Every time they'd won something they didn't expect to win, Carissa told me she felt bittersweet.
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：每当他们赢得一些他们没有想到的东西时，卡丽莎告诉我她感到苦乐参半。
She pushed so hard to show other families that they deserved justice.
她竭尽全力向其他家庭表明他们应该得到正义。
And now here she was, getting what other families didn't get.
现在她在这里，得到了其他家庭没有得到的东西。
Throughout the testimony, I kept looking at Bonnie, Maureena's mother, wondering what she was thinking.
在整个证词过程中，我一直看着莫琳娜的母亲邦妮，想知道她在想什么。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: How did it feel for you to hear Sunny White admit to killing Mika?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 听到 Sunny White 承认杀害了 Mika，你感觉如何？
It felt really good.
感觉真的很好。
It felt good.
感觉很好。
I heard her voice shake a little bit.
我听到她的声音有点颤抖。
I pictured the girl that hit my daughter.
我想象着那个打我女儿的女孩。
I pictured her being up there.
我想象她就在那里。
I told myself that was OK if that didn't happen for me.
我告诉自己，如果那件事没有发生在我身上也没关系。
I don't have to know why things happened.
我不必知道事情为何发生。
It just was-- I cried of happiness when I left.
只是——当我离开时，我幸福地哭了。
(EMOTIONALLY) There is some things, some justice you could get from other people's winnings.
（情感上）你可以从别人的奖金中得到一些东西，一些正义。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Tricia, Aiden's mom, didn't go to the sentencing.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：艾登的妈妈特里西娅没有参加宣判。
She's the one Lapotka told he couldn't file charges because the statute of limitations had passed.
拉波特卡告诉她，由于诉讼时效已过，他无法提出指控。
I wanted to go.
我想去。
Carissa asked me to go.
卡丽莎让我走。
And then my stomach just-- it was probably anxiety or stress.
然后我的胃——可能是焦虑或压力。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: I asked Tricia how she felt about the outcome.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：我问特里西娅她对结果有何感想。
Mixed.
混合的。
Mixed emotions, you know.
复杂的情绪，你知道。
Happy, mad.
高兴，生气。
(INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: And mad because?
（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MERDOCH： 生气是因为什么？
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Why can't it be you?
（主持人）SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH：为什么不能是你呢？
That's Trisha's mom, Georgi.
那是特丽莎的妈妈乔治。
They were sitting next to each other on the couch.
他们并肩坐在沙发上。
Yeah.
是的。
I'm-- I'm sorry.
我——对不起。
Sierra Crane Murdoch (INTERVIEWER) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: No, it's OK.
Sierra Crane Murdoch（采访者） SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH： 不，没关系。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Georgi went to the sentencing hearing instead of Tricia.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：乔治代替特里西娅参加了量刑听证会。
It gives me hope that Aiden's going to be next, that there will be some justice.
这给了我希望，艾登将成为下一个，正义将会得到伸张。
I mean, that's cool.
我的意思是，那很酷。
I mean, I pretty much don't have hope anymore.
我的意思是，我几乎不再抱有希望了。
But I don't want you to not have hope.
但我不希望你没有希望。
I don't want Audrey to not have hope.
我不希望奥黛丽没有希望。
(HOST) SIERRA CRANE MURDOCH: Audrey is her daughter.
（主持人）塞拉·克莱恩·默多克：奥黛丽是她的女儿。
Tricia's marriage didn't survive Aiden's death.
艾登死后，特里西娅的婚姻没能继续下去。
She told me it wasn't just grief.
她告诉我这不仅仅是悲伤。
It was the way grief turned her into a different person, an angrier person, a person exhausted from pushing for answers.
这就是悲伤让她变成了另一个人，一个更愤怒的人，一个因寻求答案而精疲力尽的人。
This is how grief affected all of the other parents I met, which makes what Carissa and Kevin did feel even more extraordinary.
这就是悲伤对我遇到的所有其他父母的影响，这让卡丽莎和凯文的所作所为感觉更加非凡。
But it cost them, too.
但这也让他们付出了代价。
A week after sentencing, I got a text from Carissa.
宣判一周后，我收到了卡丽莎的短信。
She and Kevin broke up.
她和凯文分手了。
When I talked to her, she wasn't sure what was going to happen between them.
当我和她谈话时，她不确定他们之间会发生什么。
She said they were working on it.
她说他们正在努力。
For the anniversary of Mika's death last month, Carissa told Kevin she wanted to spend the day in the mountains, just them and their son, as a family.
上个月，在米卡去世周年纪念日，卡丽莎告诉凯文，她想在山里度过这一天，只有他们和儿子，一家人。
Sierra Crane Murdoch.
塞拉·克兰·默多克。
She's writing a new book, and a big part of it is this case.
她正在写一本新书，其中很大一部分就是这个案例。
Her first book-- if you liked this story, you will really like that one.
她的第一本书——如果你喜欢这个故事，你也会喜欢那个故事。
It's called Yellow Bird-- Oil, Murder, and a Woman's Search for Justice in Indian Country.
它的名字叫《黄鸟——石油、谋杀和一个女人在印度乡村寻求正义》。
It was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize.
这是普利策奖的决赛入围作品。
Our program was produced today by Miki Meek.
今天我们的节目由 Miki Meek 制作。
Dana Chivvis edited the show.
达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 担任该节目的编辑。
The people who put together today's program include Jendayi Bonds, Michael Comite, Emmanuel Dzotsi, Angela Gervasi, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, Ryan Rumery, Frances Swanson, Marisa Robertson-Textor, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Jendayi Bonds、Michael Comite、Emmanuel Dzotsi、Angela Gervasi、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson、Ryan Rumery、Frances Swanson、Marisa Robertson-Textor、Julie Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的高级编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Special thanks today to the Fund for Investigative Journalism, Sarah Twoteeth, Bryan Dupuis, Cheryl Horn, Dave Blanchard, and Becky Blanchard and family.
今天特别感谢调查新闻基金会、Sarah Twoteeth、Bryan Dupuis、Cheryl Horn、Dave Blanchard 和 Becky Blanchard 及其家人。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Quick program note-- we keep doing these bonus episodes every two weeks for our Life Partners.
快速节目说明——我们每两周都会为我们的生活伴侣制作这些奖励剧集。
The latest one, I do a stand-up set on stage.
最新的一次，我在舞台上表演了一场单口喜剧。
If you're curious about all this and want to become a Life Partner, go to thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners.
如果您对这一切感到好奇并想成为终身伴侣，请访问 thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
Every day, I see him in the hallway here at the office.
每天，我都会在办公室的走廊上看到他。
He always says the same exact thing to me.
他总是对我说同样的话。
I'm not a white supremacist covering up a homicide for my white supremacist friend.
我不是一个为我的白人至上主义朋友掩盖谋杀案的白人至上主义者。
I believe you, Torey.
我相信你，托雷。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。