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Exhibit One: Exhibit One Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, and I am joined in the studio by my coworker Emmanuel Dzotsi.

展品一：展品一 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是《This American Life》，我的同事 Emmanuel Dzotsi 也加入了我的工作室。

So I have come into the studio today with this, actually.

事实上，我今天带着这个走进了工作室。

Let me just get it out of this bag really quickly.

让我尽快把它从袋子里拿出来。

Hang on here.

坚持住。

Uh-- [CHUCKLES] Ira Glass So that is like a piece of rock about the size of a football, yellow on one side.

呃——[笑] Ira Glass 所以这就像一块足球大小的岩石，一侧是黄色的。

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

Emmanuel Dzotsi So there's a story behind this, which is a couple weeks ago, I went to this one street in Washington, DC, and on that street, there were-- I don't know-- maybe a dozen construction workers who were using all of this heavy machinery to rip out the words "Black Lives Matter," which had been painted on that street as part of this big mural they had done in 2020, right after the murder of George Floyd.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 这背后有一个故事，几周前，我去了华盛顿特区的一条街道，在那条街上，我不知道，可能有十几名建筑工人，他们正在使用所有这些重型机械来撕掉“黑人生命也是命”的字样，这句话是他们在 2020 年乔治·弗洛伊德被谋杀后绘制的这幅大型壁画的一部分。

Yeah, I actually saw that once.

是的，我确实见过一次。

This is giant letters, like, 50 feet tall or something, two blocks long.

这是一个巨大的字母，比如 50 英尺高或者什么，两个街区长。

Yeah, it was, like, huge, and right by the White House.

是的，它很大，就在白宫旁边。

And what I was watching that day, as I was there, was the city just completely getting rid of it because of pressure they'd been under from the Trump administration.

那天我在那里看到的是，由于受到特朗普政府的压力，这座城市正在完全摆脱它。

I thought that when I got there that there would be crowds or protests, but it was pretty empty.

我以为当我到达那里时，会有人群或抗议，但那里很空。

Most of the people that I saw just sort of walked past and kept it pushing, ignored what was going on.

我看到的大多数人只是走过并继续推动，忽略了正在发生的事情。

But then I saw this one Black woman sort of stop and wave over to one of the lone Black guys working on the construction crew, just pointing at the ground.

但后来我看到一位黑人妇女停下来，向建筑工人中一名孤独的黑人挥手，只是指着地面。

Yeah.

是的。

This is a huge piece.

这是一个巨大的部分。

OK, I'll take this.

好的，我接受这个。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Oh, my god, that's heavy.

哦，天哪，这太重了。

[LAUGHS]

[笑]

The piece she had was so big, she had to hold it with two hands.

她手里的那块东西太大了，她得用两只手才能握住。

It was a piece of the letter T in the word "Matters." And the woman holding it, JC-- she's a politico, lives in DC-- she told me she was sitting at a cafe nearby when she saw someone else who had a piece and was like, oh, I want one of those.

这是“Matters”一词中字母T的一部分。拿着它的女人，JC——她是一名政客，住在华盛顿——她告诉我，她坐在附近的一家咖啡馆里，当她看到其他人也有一块时，她就说，哦，我想要其中一块。

You just walked right up.

你刚刚就走了上去。

You were like, oh, can I?

你当时想，哦，我可以吗？

Why not?

为什么不呢？

I mean, he was very kind to take a break and get me a piece.

我的意思是，他非常友善地休息一下并给我一块。

And then I didn't like the first piece that he gave me.

然后我不喜欢他给我的第一件作品。

Oh, what?

哦，什么？

JC I know, but I needed the yellow.

JC 我知道，但我需要黄色。

I feel like the yellow was a really big--

我觉得黄色真的很大——

Because otherwise, it's just a piece of concrete.

因为否则的话，它只是一块混凝土。

Yeah.

是的。

Like, my kids aren't going to believe me if I say it's from Black Lives Matter Plaza and it's just a piece of concrete.

就像，如果我说它来自“黑人生命也是命”广场而且它只是一块混凝土，我的孩子们不会相信我。

It needed the yellow.

它需要黄色。

Oh, do you have kids right now?

哦，你现在有孩子吗？

Oh, OK.

哦，好吧。

You're talking about future kids.

你说的是未来的孩子。

Future kids.

未来的孩子们。

I'm thinking about them.

我正在想他们。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

So I started seeing other people who were doing this, too, right?

所以我开始看到其他人也在这样做，对吗？

Just grabbing these pieces of the mural for future generations that did or didn't exist.

只是为后代抓住这些存在或不存在的壁画。

There were these two women who were in town for work.

有两个女人进城工作。

One of them was scared that they were actually going to miss their flight because her friend was waiting so long for the construction workers to break off just the right piece of the mural as a souvenir.

其中一人担心自己实际上会错过航班，因为她的朋友等了很长时间，等待建筑工人将壁画上的正确部分折下来作为纪念品。

I know.

我知道。

I'm heading out now.

我现在要出去了。

Emmanuel Dzotsi So I actually lived in DC when they first painted this street.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 所以当他们第一次粉刷这条街时我实际上住在华盛顿。

And I got to say, at the time, when I first saw it, I totally understood how meaningful it was to some folks.

我必须说，当时，当我第一次看到它时，我完全理解它对某些人来说有多么有意义。

But personally, honestly, I just kind of rolled my eyes and laughed about it with the other Black people that I knew.

但老实说，就我个人而言，我只是翻白眼，和我认识的其他黑人一起嘲笑这件事。

It just felt kind of performative, just, like, one and the same with a lot of the stuff that was happening back then, right, like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and co. kneeling in kente cloth in the Capitol, all those black squares people were posting.

感觉有点表演性，就像当时发生的很多事情一样，比如南希·佩洛西、查克·舒默等人。跪在国会大厦的肯特布上，人们张贴的所有黑色方块。

But now that I was actually here, seeing them tear this message out of the ground, it just-- I don't know-- I was just like, oh, right.

但现在我真的在这里，看到他们把这条信息从地上撕下来，它只是——我不知道——我只是想，哦，对了。

It maybe didn't matter that much when it was first put in, but it definitely mattered now that it was being taken out.

刚放进去的时候也许并没有那么重要，但现在取出来就很重要了。

Yeah.

是的。

Emmanuel Dzotsi Across the street, I saw this older white guy who worked in urban design.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 在街对面，我看到了一位从事城市设计工作的白人老人。

He was so excited to have a piece of the thing.

他很高兴能从中分一杯羹。

I don't know.

我不知道。

These letters are forever letters.

这些信是永远的信。

It's not just concrete.

这不仅仅是具体的。

It's super concrete.

这是超级混凝土。

It's fiberglass-reinforced super concrete.

它是玻璃纤维增​​强超级混凝土。

So she built that to last forever.

所以她把它建造得永远持续下去。

For you, why is it important for you to have a piece of it?

对你来说，为什么拥有它很重要？

I thought it was very divisive.

我认为这是非常分裂的。

I was very disappointed when the mayor did that.

当市长这样做时，我感到非常失望。

It was just so divisive to do that.

这样做实在是太分裂了。

And the rhetoric and the fighting increased after that.

此后，言论和争斗不断增加。

So you're getting a piece of it kind of as a memento of the thing that you didn't like?

所以你得到了它的一部分作为你不喜欢的东西的纪念品？

I think it's healing.

我认为它正在治愈。

To get rid of it is kind of a healing situation.

摆脱它是一种治愈的情况。

OK, so talking to this guy, it hit me, he's here to mark the end of something, which I realized, oh, we all were, right?

好吧，与这个人交谈时，我突然意识到，他来这里是为了标志着某件事的结束，我意识到，哦，我们都是，对吧？

I think it was clear to absolutely everybody there on that street that one era has ended, and we're in some very new moment right now.

我认为那条街上的每个人都清楚一个时代已经结束，我们现在正处于一个非常新的时刻。

And lots of us were just trying to puzzle that out in real-time, what this means.

我们很多人只是想实时弄清楚这意味着什么。

There were these two women that I met, Saraya and Yasmeen.

我遇到了这两个女人，萨拉亚和亚斯明。

Saraya was on the fence about taking a piece at all.

萨拉亚对于是否要分一杯羹持观望态度。

She was just sort of like, why would I want a piece of something that never felt real?

她只是想，为什么我想要一件感觉不真实的东西？

But it's not felt.

但感觉不到。

Black Lives Matter-- we don't matter.

黑人的命也是命——我们不重要。

Oh, interesting.

哦，有趣。

Saraya We don't matter.

萨拉亚 我们不重要。

It's like, you're taking it away.

就好像，你要把它拿走。

It sucks.

太糟糕了。

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

是啊，是啊，是啊。

Emmanuel Dzotsi There is this thing-- sorry, sorry, sorry.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 有这样一件事——对不起，对不起，对不起。

There is this thing I've been thinking about, though, which is like, is this more honest, actually, that they actually are ripping this up?

不过，我一直在想一件事，那就是，他们实际上正在撕毁这件事，这是否更诚实？

Absolutely.

绝对地。

Oh, absolutely.

哦，绝对是。

This is America showing itself because it was never in you in the first place.

这就是美国的自我展现，因为它从一开始就不存在于你之中。

So why am I upset that you're upending something that was never in you in the first place?

那么，为什么我会因为你颠覆了你本来就不存在的东西而感到不安呢？

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be upset.

我并不是说我们不应该感到沮丧。

We definitely should be upset.

我们绝对应该感到沮丧。

But why are we-- we can't be upset at people that it was never in them in the first place to even care about somebody else.

但为什么我们——我们不能对人们感到不安，因为他们从来就没有关心过别人。

So as I was leaving the street that day, I just felt like, oh, right.

所以那天当我离开街道时，我只是觉得，哦，对了。

The America that I know, the one I grew up in, it leaves the sign up, right?

我所认识的美国，我长大的那个美国，都会留下这样的标语，对吧？

It says it believes in all of this stuff, that all of us are equal, that we all want to live in racial harmony, whatever.

它说它相信所有这些东西，我们所有人都是平等的，我们都希望种族和谐地生活，等等。

And then it just kind of does what it wants.

然后它就做它想做的事。

But what I saw, like the government going to these great lengths to tear up this street and to get every shred of the letters out, not even bothering to pay lip service anymore, I was like, that feels like a real shift.

但我所看到的，就像政府不遗余力地撕毁这条街，把所有的信件都拿出来，甚至不再费心做口头上的服务，我想，这感觉像是一个真正的转变。

So yeah, that's how I ended up with this piece of concrete, which I guess is just going to live in my house forever.

是的，这就是我最终得到这块混凝土的原因，我想它会永远住在我的房子里。

It's like you have a piece of the Berlin Wall or something.

就像你有一块柏林墙之类的东西。

You know what?

你知道吗？

It does feel like that.

确实是这样的感觉。

It feels like this thing that I want to show everybody in my life.

感觉就像我想向我生命中的每个人展示这件事。

It's like it's a part of my own personal museum.

它就像是我个人博物馆的一部分。

Yes, a museum.

是的，一座博物馆。

One of the things that we've been talking about here on the staff, as you know, is it feels like there are so many things happening every day since President Trump took office, like federal agencies being gutted, or a judge ordering the White House to turn some planes around and them seeming to ignore the court order, or secret war planning being done on Signal on people's phones and shared with a random reporter.

如你所知，我们在工作人员中谈论的一件事是，自从特朗普总统上任以来，感觉每天都在发生很多事情，比如联邦机构被摧毁，或者法官命令白宫调转一些飞机，而他们似乎无视法院的命令，或者人们在手机上的 Signal 上制定秘密战争计划并与随机记者分享。

There is so much happening so fast, and you feel like, oh, did that really happen?

发生的事情如此之快，你会觉得，哦，这真的发生了吗？

And you just-- I don't know.

而你只是——我不知道。

With our staff, we've been talking about how we just want to grab a hold of these things and just put them in a place where we can look at them together, just preserve them, like a museum, a museum of now.

我们和我们的员工一直在讨论如何抓住这些东西，然后把它们放在一个我们可以一起观看的地方，只是保存它们，就像博物馆一样，现在的博物馆。

I mean, this feels rude to say on the radio, but I'm going to say it, which is you know that I'm not going to give you this for your museum, right?

我的意思是，在广播中这样说感觉很不礼貌，但我要说的是，你知道我不会把这个送给你的博物馆，对吧？

This is mine.

这是我的。

[LAUGHTER] Ira Glass Fine, because today on our show, we have other historical artifacts of this exact moment we are living through.

[笑声] Ira Glass 很好，因为今天在我们的节目中，我们有我们正在经历的这个时刻的其他历史文物。

As you'll hear the people in these stories over and over, they seem sort of dumbfounded at what they're suddenly seeing and dealing with in America today.

当你一遍又一遍地听到这些故事中的人们时，他们似乎对今天在美国突然看到和处理的事情感到有点目瞪口呆。

We were, too.

我们也是。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

Today's show, "The Museum of Now." And let's take a little stroll, shall we, through the museum?

今天的展览是“现在的博物馆”。我们去博物馆里散散步吧？

Oh, watch out for the construction right there.

哦，注意那里的施工。

There's some stuff.

有一些东西。

Yeah, we're just starting to build out our collection here.

是的，我们刚刚开始在这里建立我们的收藏。

I guess we begin with this exhibit, a multimedia exhibit.

我想我们从这个展览开始，一个多媒体展览。

[SOOTHING MUSIC] This is actually the hold music that people all over the country are hearing when they try to reach the Social Security Administration.

[舒缓音乐] 这实际上是全国各地的人们在试图联系社会保障管理局时听到的等待音乐。

The agency sends out payments to some 70 million people every month.

该机构每月向约 7000 万人发放付款。

The agency says that it is getting way more calls than usual right now.

该机构表示，目前接到的电话比平时多得多。

Elon Musk and all the talk of rooting out fraud and kicking dead people off the rolls seem to be freaking out millions of senior citizens, so more of them are calling.

埃隆·马斯克以及所有关于根除欺诈和将死者从名单上剔除的言论似乎吓坏了数百万老年人，因此更多的人打电话来。

Audits, by the way, show that lots of dead people are not getting checks.

顺便说一句，审计表明许多死者没有得到支票。

That is not a thing.

那不是一件事。

Wait times were long even before this, but right now, a fourth of the callers basically get a busy signal and have to try again.

在此之前，等待时间就很长，但现在，四分之一的呼叫者基本上收到忙音，必须重试。

If you call and you do get put on hold, there is a callback option.

如果您致电但确实被搁置，则可以选择回拨。

But one of our coworkers decided to stay on the line to see how long it would take.

但我们的一位同事决定留下来看看需要多长时间。

Thank you for holding.

谢谢你的坚持。

We appreciate your patience.

我们感谢您的耐心等待。

The estimated hold time is 60 minutes.

预计保持时间为 60 分钟。

[HOLD MUSIC CONTINUES] Ira Glass Yeah, it was nowhere close to that.

[保持音乐继续] Ira Glass 是的，远非如此。

They finally picked up at one hour, 39 minutes.

他们终于在 1 小时 39 分钟接电话。

Hi, thank you for calling.

您好，谢谢您的来电。

Ira Glass The worker who did finally pick up the phone, I will say, was super nice, very helpful.

Ira Glass 终于接电话的工作人员，我想说，非常好，非常乐于助人。

Of course.

当然。

You're welcome.

不客气。

Is there anything else that I could do for you at all today?

今天我还能为您做些什么吗？

That's all.

就这样。

Worker All right, ma'am.

工人 好的，女士。

Well, then you have a great rest of your day, OK?

好吧，那你今天就好好休息一下吧，好吗？

Hello.

你好。

At Social Security, your satisfaction means the world to us.

在社会保障局，您的满意对我们来说意味着一切。

OK, next up, walk with me down the hallway here to this next exhibit.

好的，接下来，和我一起沿着走廊走到下一个展览。

OK, stop right there.

好吧，就停在那里。

Here we have a short video.

这里我们有一个短片。

As you can see, it's playing on a loop.

如您所见，它正在循环播放。

It was posted on X by the Secretary of Homeland Security, 8 seconds long.

它由国土安全部部长在 X 上发布，时长 8 秒。

Security cam footage plays over and over.

安全摄像头的镜头一遍又一遍地播放。

And to help you understand what you're looking at, Aviva DeKornfeld has the story of the five days that led to this video for the woman who was in it.

为了帮助您了解您所看到的内容，Aviva DeKornfeld 为视频中的女性讲述了这段视频的五天故事。

What happened in those five days caught this woman completely off guard because as far as she knew, or as we know now, what happened to her hadn't happened to anybody else at that point, just three weeks ago.

这五天里发生的事情让这位女士完全措手不及，因为据她所知，或者据我们现在所知，发生在她身上的事情并没有发生在其他任何人身上，就在三周前。

Day one, Thursday, 8:00 AM.

第一天，星期四，上午 8:00。

Ranjani Srinivasan is not a morning person.

兰贾尼·斯里尼瓦桑 (Ranjani Srinivasan) 不是一个早起的人。

She likes to start the day slowly, scroll on her phone in bed.

她喜欢慢慢地开始新的一天，躺在床上玩手机。

She gets lots of panicked emails from her students.

她收到了很多学生发来的惊慌失措的电子邮件。

She's a teaching assistant.

她是一名助教。

She's also a graduate student at Columbia University.

她也是哥伦比亚大学的研究生。

So day one, she was in bed when she saw an email, subject line, "Visa Revocation Notification." But the wording in the email was weird.

第一天，她躺在床上，看到一封电子邮件，主题行是“签证撤销通知”。但电子邮件中的措辞很奇怪。

It said she may be ineligible for her student visa, but also that it had been revoked.

据称，她可能没有资格获得学生签证，但签证已被撤销。

It seemed spammy.

看起来很垃圾。

Just because Columbia sometimes does phishing trainings, so I actually thought that this might be one of those.

只是因为哥伦比亚有时会进行网络钓鱼培训，所以我实际上认为这可能是其中之一。

It just seemed so strange.

这看起来很奇怪。

I took a screenshot and actually put it in my department WhatsApp group with all the other PhDs asking, did you guys get this?

我拍了一张截图，然后把它放在我部门的 WhatsApp 群组中，所有其他博士都在问，你们收到了吗？

What did people respond?

人们有何反应？

Ranjani Srinivasan They were like, oh, my god, what the hell is this?

Ranjani Srinivasan 他们就像，哦，天哪，这到底是什么？

And then they told me that they hadn't got this email.

然后他们告诉我他们没有收到这封电子邮件。

Ranjani thought, hmm, OK, it seems to be real.

兰贾尼想，嗯，好吧，这似乎是真的。

But she's lived here a long time, nine years, and she's had a lot of visas.

但她在这里住了很长时间，九年了，而且她有很多签证。

Things happen sometimes.

事情有时会发生。

So she emails the International Students and Scholars' Office-- they've helped her out with the visa stuff before-- and also the Dean of Student Affairs, and asked for help straightening this out.

因此，她给国际学生和学者办公室（他们之前曾帮助过她办理签证事宜）以及学生事务主任发送了电子邮件，请求帮助解决这个问题。

Then she grabs her stuff and heads to the office she shares with the other PhDs, where she spends most of her time, to get some grading done.

然后她拿起自己的东西，前往她与其他博士共用的办公室，她大部分时间都花在那里，完成一些评分工作。

She had 60 student sketchbooks she needed to get through before Monday.

她有 60 本学生速写本，需要在周一之前完成。

That evening, she hears back from the International Students Office, who CC's the Dean of Student Affairs and tells her--

那天晚上，她收到了国际学生办公室的回复，CC 是学生事务主任，并告诉她——

Don't worry.

别担心。

This sometimes happens.

有时会发生这种情况。

Just book an online advising session through our system, and just don't leave the country.

只需通过我们的系统预订在线咨询会议，并且无需离开该国。

Otherwise, you are in legal status.

否则，您就具有合法身份。

You can go to work.

你可以去上班了。

You can grade your students' work, stuff like that.

你可以给学生的作业打分，诸如此类。

And that was one of the big questions in my head, right?

这是我脑子里最大的问题之一，对吗？

So I was sort of going back and forth during the time, waiting for her reply, thinking whether I should be grading or should I not be grading.

所以这段时间我一直在来回走动，等待她的回复，思考我是否应该评分。

Oh, so you were trying to distract yourself by grading papers, but then you're like, is this breaking the law itself?

哦，所以你试图通过批改论文来分散自己的注意力，但你会想，这本身就违反了法律吗？

Yes, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

But it wasn't.

但事实并非如此。

So I was told in writing that I was allowed to just go about my normal life.

因此，我被书面告知，我可以继续正常生活。

I don't need to worry.

我不需要担心。

This is all being treated as very run-of-the-mill.

这一切都被视为非常普通。

And the tone from Columbia is that this happens to many students.

哥伦比亚大学的语气是，这种情况发生在很多学生身上。

It's not a rare thing.

这并不罕见。

They tell her the next available appointment is in five days.

他们告诉她下一次预约是在五天内。

Five days felt like too long to wait.

五天的等待感觉太漫长了。

The college was telling her that this would all get sorted out easily, but Ranjani has always been fastidious about her paperwork.

学院告诉她，这一切都会很容易解决，但兰贾尼一直对她的文书工作很挑剔。

She has an encrypted folder on her computer for all things visa-related.

她的计算机上有一个加密文件夹，用于存放与签证相关的所有内容。

She's been in the US since 2016 and knows almost all her entry and exit dates off the top of her head.

她自 2016 年以来一直在美国，几乎所有的出入境日期都了如指掌。

She doesn't like loose ends, and she didn't like the idea of waiting five days.

她不喜欢悬而未决的事情，也不喜欢等待五天的想法。

So she gets them to change the appointment to the next day.

所以她让他们把约会改到第二天。

Ranjani is from Chennai, in the south of India.

兰贾尼来自印度南部的钦奈。

And in 2016, she was awarded a Fulbright to get a master's in design at Harvard.

2016年，她获得富布赖特奖，获得哈佛大学设计硕士学位。

And she was very excited to go to an American university.

她很高兴能去美国大学。

The US scholarship is really robust.

美国的奖学金确实很给力。

There's a great intellectual culture of inquiry.

这里有一种伟大的探究文化。

A lot of the people I had read, or like my intellectual heroes, went to many of these universities-- David Harvey.

我读过的很多人，或者像我的知识英雄一样，都曾就读于许多这样的大学——大卫·哈维。

He's an economic geographer.

他是一位经济地理学家。

And Ambedkar, who is the architect of the Indian constitution, actually studied at Columbia.

印度宪法的制定者安贝德卡实际上就读于哥伦比亚大学。

So I was super excited to see the US and take part in this culture of inquiry.

因此，我非常高兴能够来到美国并参与这种探究文化。

She graduated with a master's from Harvard and then followed her intellectual hero to Columbia to get a PhD in urban planning.

她毕业于哈佛大学，获得硕士学位，然后跟随她的知识英雄到哥伦比亚大学获得城市规划博士学位。

Her work focuses on the way that urbanization impacts the labor force.

她的工作重点是城市化对劳动力的影响。

She often went back to India to do fieldwork.

她经常回到印度进行实地考察。

But she settled happily in her life on campus.

但她在校园里过着幸福的生活。

She's made lots of friends, including her roommate, another PhD student.

她交了很多朋友，包括她的室友，另一位博士生。

The university randomly paired them together years ago, and they've since become close.

几年前，大学将他们随机配对，从那时起他们就变得很亲密。

Every year, the two of them take a family portrait with Ranjani's cat, Cricket, and send it around as a Christmas card.

每年，他们两人都会与兰贾尼的猫蟋蟀拍一张全家福，并将其作为圣诞贺卡发送出去。

Day two, Friday, 10:30 AM.

第二天，星期五，上午 10:30。

Ranjani is in her bedroom.

兰贾尼在她的卧室里。

She hops on a Zoom call for her appointment with the International Students Office advisor, and starts explaining the situation with the weird email.

她跳上 Zoom 电话与国际学生办公室顾问进行预约，并开始用这封奇怪的电子邮件解释情况。

Meanwhile, Ranjani's roommate is in the other room braiding her hair, getting ready for the day.

与此同时，兰贾尼的室友正在另一个房间里编辫子，为新的一天做好准备。

Here's her roommate.

这是她的室友。

To protect her privacy, we're not naming her.

为了保护她的隐私，我们没有透露她的名字。

And suddenly I hear this bang, bang, bang, bang, which it's that particular tone-- it's a scary knock.

突然我听到砰、砰、砰、砰，这是那种特殊的音调——这是一种可怕的敲击声。

And so I step up-- and again, half of my hair is unbraided, half of it's braided.

于是我走上前去——再一次，我的头发一半没有编成辫子，一半编成了辫子。

The cat's confused, I'm confused.

猫迷茫了，我也迷茫了。

I go to the door, and I go, who is it?

我走到门口，我走了，是谁？

Someone yells back, police!

有人喊回来，警察！

And I go, OK, whoa.

我就说，好吧，哇。

My heart's beating fast.

我的心跳得很快。

And I just know that I don't want to open the door because, one, anyone can yell, police.

我只知道我不想开门，因为，第一，任何人都可以大喊，警察。

Two, I'm in my bathrobe.

第二，我穿着浴袍。

And so any kind of armed men is not walking into my apartment right now.

因此，任何武装人员现在都不会走进我的公寓。

Ranjani, in her bedroom, she doesn't hear the knock.

兰贾尼在她的卧室里，没有听到敲门声。

She couldn't hear it over the reassurances from the advisor from the International Students Office.

在留学生办公室的指导老师的保证下，她没能听到。

They're basically saying stuff like, don't worry.

他们基本上是在说“别担心”之类的话。

This sometimes happens.

有时会发生这种情况。

So then I clarify that I can actually grade my students' work, which is forefront in my mind right now.

然后我澄清说，我实际上可以对学生的作业进行评分，这是我现在最关心的问题。

The scary knocker knocks again.

可怕的门环再次敲响。

Ranjani's roommate told me she's a citizen and a woman of color who grew up poor, who's had a lot of interactions with the police, none of which she would describe as positive.

兰贾尼的室友告诉我，她是一名公民，也是一名有色人种女性，出身贫困，与警方有过很多互动，但她认为这些互动都不是积极的。

But she knows what to do.

但她知道该怎么做。

She calls from inside the apartment, what is this about?

她从公寓里打来电话，这是怎么回事？

They start reeling off information about Ranjani in a very sort of good cop kind of way.

他们开始以一种非常好警察的方式滔滔不绝地讲述有关兰贾尼的信息。

They're like, oh, we know that her visa was canceled.

他们就像，哦，我们知道她的签证被取消了。

We're the only people you can turn to.

我们是您唯一可以求助的人。

We just want to talk to you.

我们只是想和你谈谈。

We just have some questions.

我们只是有一些问题。

And I'm sort of there just like, who's we?

我就在那里，就像，我们是谁？

And I can't see through-- I can't see anyone through my peephole.

我看不透——我无法通过我的猫眼看到任何人。

And so the voice starts talking about really intimate details of Ranjani's visa and immigration status.

于是那个声音开始谈论兰贾尼的签证和移民身份的真正私密细节。

And I stop him and I go, wait, do you have a warrant?

我阻止了他，然后我就走了，等等，你有搜查令吗？

He doesn't respond to that.

他对此没有回应。

And I sort of just keep asking, what is this about?

我一直在问，这是怎么回事？

She goes to tell Ranjani what's happening.

她去告诉兰贾尼发生了什么事。

I guess I wasn't paying attention to the door.

我想我没有注意门。

I was focused on the Zoom conversation.

我专注于 Zoom 对话。

So sometime midway through the conversation, through the door, she turns and tells me, ICE is at the door.

因此，在谈话进行到一半时，她穿过门，转身告诉我，ICE 就在门口。

I'm freaking out, just freaking out.

我吓坏了，简直吓坏了。

I just start shivering and shaking because I'm still on Zoom with my advisor, who, till the last second, was saying, you're fine, you can go out and teach your students.

我开始颤抖，因为我仍然和我的导师一起在 Zoom 上，直到最后一秒，他还在说，你很好，你可以出去教你的学生了。

But I tell the advisor that ICE is at my door.

但我告诉顾问 ICE 就在我家门口。

Tell me what to do.

告诉我该怎么做。

And you can see the advisor's eyes kind of become wide.

你可以看到顾问的眼睛有点睁大了。

She says, OK, just give me a second.

她说，好吧，请等我一下。

She mutes herself, and she's frantically talking to people, like higher ups.

她把自己静音，疯狂地与人交谈，就像上级一样。

The advisor eventually unmutes, looking relaxed again.

顾问最终取消了静音，看起来又放松了。

And she tells Ranjani that she's safe.

她告诉兰贾尼她很安全。

Just don't open the door for ICE.

只是不要为 ICE 打开大门。

And then she gives her a list of immigration lawyers to contact.

然后她给了她一份可以联系的移民律师名单。

And I was like, won't Columbia have a lawyer?

我就想，哥伦比亚不会有律师吗？

Won't they be negotiating with ICE on my behalf?

他们不会代表我与 ICE 谈判吗？

Why am I on my own?

为什么我一个人？

And she's like, oh, that's not something that happens.

她说，哦，这不是发生的事情。

You shouldn't have any issues.

你不应该有任何问题。

And then I just told her that I don't really trust Columbia at this point.

然后我告诉她我现在并不真正信任哥伦比亚。

And then she says, oh, but do you trust me?

然后她说，哦，但是你相信我吗？

What'd you say?

你说什么？

Ranjani Srinivasan I mean, I just told her I don't know you.

Ranjani Srinivasan 我的意思是，我只是告诉她我不认识你。

What'd she say to that?

她对此说什么？

Ranjani Srinivasan She just was like, just call the lawyers, and don't open the door.

Ranjani Srinivasan 她只是说，打电话给律师，不要开门。

They don't open the door, and the ICE officers eventually leave.

他们没有开门，ICE 官员最终离开了。

Ranjani has had enough experience as an immigrant in this country to know that ICE is not supposed to show up at your door a day after your visa is revoked.

兰贾尼作为这个国家的移民有足够的经验，知道 ICE 不应该在您的签证被吊销后第二天就出现在您家门口。

This is not the way things typically work.

这不是事情通常的运作方式。

How it normally goes, you're granted a student visa, and the visa is the thing that allows you to enter the country.

通常情况下，您会获得学生签证，签证就是允许您进入该国的东西。

And once you're here, if you're a student, you can legally stay as long as you're enrolled in school, even if your visa is revoked.

一旦你来到这里，如果你是学生，只要你在学校就读，你就可以合法居留，即使你的签证被撤销。

But if you stop attending school, then you have to leave the country.

但如果你停止上学，那么你就必须离开这个国家。

This is what Ranjani was turning over in her head with ICE at the door.

这就是兰贾尼在 ICE 站在门口时脑子里想的事情。

She still had her status as a student.

她的身份依然是学生。

She was still enrolled at Columbia.

她仍然就读于哥伦比亚大学。

The advisor woman from Columbia on Zoom was telling her there should be no issue.

Zoom 上哥伦比亚大学的女顾问告诉她应该没有问题。

But there was one, at her door.

但有一个，就在她的门口。

Ranjani thought, I have to get out of here.

兰贾尼想，我必须离开这里。

I need to hide.

我需要躲起来。

I'm absolutely paralyzed with fear.

我完全被恐惧吓呆了。

I'm not able to think straight.

我无法正常思考。

I just thought that if I go somewhere else for a bit, I will feel a little safer, and things will hopefully blow over.

我只是想，如果我去别的地方呆一会儿，我会感觉更安全一些，事情有望过去。

I mean, I fully intended to return to my apartment.

我的意思是，我完全想回到我的公寓。

So I literally just take a couple of pairs of clothes and a shower gel and a loofah.

所以我实际上只带了几双衣服、沐浴露和丝瓜络。

So that's all I literally had on me.

这就是我身上的全部。

[CHUCKLES] Yeah.

[轻笑]是的。

Well, you need something to keep your spirits up.

好吧，你需要一些东西来保持精神。

Ranjani moves to her friend's apartment.

兰贾尼搬到她朋友的公寓。

She and her roommate decide that it's safer if her roommate doesn't know where she's going so that should ICE come back, she can truthfully say she doesn't know where Ranjani is.

她和她的室友决定，如果她的室友不知道她要去哪里，这样会更安全，这样一旦 ICE 回来，她就可以如实说她不知道 Ranjani 在哪里。

But a few of Ranjani's other friends gather at the new location, and everyone starts calling immigration lawyers to try and figure out what to do.

但兰贾尼的其他一些朋友聚集在新地点，每个人都开始打电话给移民律师，试图弄清楚该怎么做。

Meanwhile, the Dean of Student Affairs, who Ranjani first reached out to when she got the suspicious email from the consulate, calls her and says--

与此同时，兰贾尼收到领事馆发来的可疑电子邮件后首先联系的学生事务主任给她打电话说——

Oh, I heard about ICE coming to your door.

哦，我听说 ICE 找上门了。

I'm so sorry.

我很抱歉。

Let me know if I can do anything for you.

如果我能为您做点什么，请告诉我。

And then I basically tell her, I'm really scared.

然后我基本上告诉她，我真的很害怕。

Why are they here?

他们为什么在这里？

I don't understand.

我不明白。

Can you please talk to ISO, the International Students Office?

您能与国际学生办公室 ISO 联系吗？

And then they tell me, oh, I will do that.

然后他们告诉我，哦，我会这么做的。

But it seems that even the International Students Office or Columbia, nobody seems to be in control.

但似乎无论是留学生办公室还​​是哥伦比亚大学，似乎都没有人能控制。

Whoa.

哇哦。

Ranjani Srinivasan Yeah.

兰贾尼·斯里尼瓦桑 是的。

I'm still calling lawyers.

我还在打电话给律师。

I'm going through all my legal options.

我正在考虑所有的法律选择。

Again, we don't know why this is happening, right?

再说一遍，我们不知道为什么会发生这种情况，对吗？

Because I'm still in legal status.

因为我还是合法身份。

It's just my visa that's been revoked.

只是我的签证被吊销了。

So under any circumstance, I legally can be in the country.

所以在任何情况下，我都可以合法地留在国内。

I can legally be working.

我可以合法工作。

Everything is fine.

一切都很好。

Because the way it works is that the visa is just like a key to let you in and out.

因为它的工作原理是，签证就像一把让你进出的钥匙。

But your legal status is like a rental agreement of your house, you know?

但你的法律地位就像你房子的租赁协议，你知道吗？

You have the right to be there, even if you lose the key.

即使您丢失了钥匙，您也有权在那里。

She wracks her brain for mistakes she might have made, looks back through all her immigration records, but she can't find anything.

她绞尽脑汁寻找自己可能犯下的错误，回顾了她所有的移民记录，但她什么也没找到。

Day three, Saturday, 6:20 PM.

第三天，星期六，下午 6:20。

Ranjani is at her friend's place when her roommate calls her.

当室友打电话给兰贾尼时，兰贾尼正在她朋友家。

She tells Ranjani ICE came back to the apartment.

她告诉 Ranjani ICE 回到了公寓。

They didn't have a warrant, but they talked through the door.

他们没有搜查令，但他们在门外交谈。

Her roommate recorded it.

她的室友录下了这一切。

Hey, Ranjani if this is you, listen.

嘿，兰贾尼，如果这是你，听着。

You don't have to answer any questions, OK?

你不必回答任何问题，好吗？

But let me just speak.

但让我说一下。

We were here yesterday.

我们昨天来过这里。

We're here today.

我们今天就在这里。

We're going to be here tonight, tomorrow.

今晚、明天我们都会在这里。

You're probably scared.

你可能很害怕。

If you are, I get it.

如果你是，我明白了。

The reality is your visa was revoked, OK?

现实是你的签证被吊销了，好吗？

You are now amenable to removal proceedings.

您现在可以接受递解出境程序。

Ranjani realizes the situation is not going to go away.

兰贾尼意识到这种情况不会消失。

The email was not spam, ICE showing up at her apartment not a fluke.

这封电子邮件不是垃圾邮件，ICE 出现在她的公寓也不是侥幸。

She was being targeted.

她成为了攻击目标。

She'd never heard of this happening to anyone else.

她从未听说过这种事发生在其他人身上。

The rules, how things normally work, that was changing.

规则、事物正常运作的方式正在发生变化。

But she didn't know it yet.

但她还不知道。

And then the same night her roommate tells her that ICE came back, ICE showed up at the apartment of another student, a Columbia graduate student named Mahmoud Khalil, who had just finished his degree in December.

然后就在同一天晚上，她的室友告诉她 ICE 回来了，ICE 出现在另一名学生的公寓里，这名学生是哥伦比亚大学的研究生，名叫马哈茂德·哈利勒 (Mahmoud Khalil)，他于 12 月刚刚完成学位。

Mahmoud was coming home with his wife that night, unlocking his apartment door, when ICE appeared and detained him, took him away to a detention center in Louisiana.

那天晚上，马哈茂德和妻子一起回家，打开公寓门时，ICE 出现并拘留了他，将他带到路易斯安那州的一个拘留中心。

Mahmoud has a green card.

马哈茂德拥有绿卡。

His wife, Noor, is a citizen.

他的妻子努尔是公民。

I remember reading about it in the paper, and I was extremely scared.

我记得在报纸上读到过这件事，我非常害怕。

If my flatmate had not been there, that would have been me.

如果我的室友不在那里，那就是我了。

Again, I have no stranger danger.

再说一次，我没有遇到任何奇怪的危险。

I would have just opened the door, and they would have detained me.

我只要打开门，他们就会拘留我。

I think the idea of Mahmoud's being in Louisiana and not able to speak to his lawyers scared me greatly.

我认为马哈茂德在路易斯安那州并且无法与他的律师交谈的想法让我非常害怕。

It was beyond my imagination.

这超出了我的想象。

I mean, during this entire experience, I just felt that this was sort of a disembodied view of what was happening.

我的意思是，在整个经历中，我只是觉得这是对正在发生的事情的一种脱离现实的看法。

It didn't seem real that this would happen to any of us.

这种事发生在我们任何人身上似乎都不真实。

Yeah.

是的。

It felt fever dream-ish.

感觉发烧就像做梦一样。

Ranjani Srinivasan Yeah.

兰贾尼·斯里尼瓦桑 是的。

No, and I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat.

不，我无法入睡，无法进食。

I was shaking all the time.

我一直在发抖。

And most of my friends will tell you, I'm a very calm person.

我的大多数朋友都会告诉你，我是一个非常冷静的人。

I'm really good in a crisis.

我在危机中真的很擅长。

But this was just an unprecedented situation.

但这只是前所未有的情况。

Everything that's happened has been outside the realm of possibility, in my head.

在我的脑海里，发生的一切都超出了可能性的范围。

So I had to prepare as if the worst might happen and act in those ways.

所以我必须做好准备，就好像最坏的情况可能会发生一样，并以这种方式采取行动。

Ranjani did not know Mahmoud Khalil.

兰贾尼不认识马哈茂德·哈利勒。

She learned he was a leader of the pro-Palestine protests after he'd been detained.

她在被拘留后得知他是亲巴勒斯坦抗议活动的领导人。

And here, a new thought occurs to her.

在这里，她产生了一个新的想法。

She had liked some pro-Palestine posts on social media.

她喜欢社交媒体上的一些支持巴勒斯坦的帖子。

She'd also signed a few open letters and gone to a couple peaceful protests.

她还签署了几封公开信，并参加了几次和平抗议活动。

And one night, coming home from a PhD picnic, she says she accidentally ran into a big protest on campus.

一天晚上，她参加完博士生野餐回家后，意外地遇到了校园里的一场大规模抗议活动。

It was chaotic.

场面一片混乱。

She says she got swept up by police officers, along with a bunch of other people.

她说她和其他一群人一起被警察冲走了。

She received two summonses-- for blocking a sidewalk and refusing to disperse-- but they were both dismissed.

她收到了两张传票——因为堵塞人行道并拒绝散开——但都被驳回了。

And now, Ranjani wondered, is that what all this is about?

现在，兰贾尼想知道，这就是这一切的意义吗？

It seemed impossible she'd be targeted so personally for that.

她似乎不可能因此而成为如此个人化的目标。

But what just happened to Mahmoud Khalil, that seemed impossible, too.

但发生在马哈茂德·哈利勒身上的事情似乎也是不可能的。

Day four, Sunday, 5:00 PM.

第四天，星期日，下午 5:00。

Ranjani gets an email from Columbia saying that the Department of Homeland Security had now terminated her legal status, and the university was dis-enrolling her.

兰贾尼收到哥伦比亚大学发来的一封电子邮件，称国土安全部现已终止她的合法身份，大学正在取消她的入学资格。

She was no longer a student, no longer a teaching assistant.

她不再是学生，不再是助教。

I lost my legal status, I lost my worker status, and I also lost my housing.

我失去了合法身份，失去了工人身份，也失去了住房。

So I was really unhappy.

所以我真的很不高兴。

And then when I got this email, actually, the Dean of Student Affairs in my school came into my building and was ringing the doorbell, trying to find out whether I'd received the email telling me to vacate and getting a confirmation that I've received the email and I'm going to leave the apartment.

然后，当我收到这封电子邮件时，实际上，我学校的学生事务主任走进了我的大楼，按了门铃，试图查明我是否收到了要求我搬出的电子邮件，并确认我已收到电子邮件并且我要离开公寓。

So at that point, I knew Columbia was either complicit or working with law enforcement.

所以在那一点上，我知道哥伦比亚要么是同谋，要么是与执法部门合作。

I just felt completely betrayed because I don't have a disciplinary record.

我只是感觉完全被背叛了，因为我没有纪律记录。

I have a perfect GPA.

我有完美的 GPA。

I haven't done anything.

我什么也没做。

And the fact that I just felt like a sacrifice, almost, it just feels like the institution doesn't really care.

事实上，我感觉自己像是一种牺牲，几乎感觉这个机构并不真正关心。

Columbia University wouldn't speak to Ranjani's case in particular, but they sent us a statement that says, the university follows the law and, quote, "takes great care to ensure our legal compliance with all applicable rules and obligations so that our students can participate in the federal Student and Exchange Visitor Program."

哥伦比亚大学没有特别谈论兰贾尼的案件，但他们向我们发送了一份声明，称该大学遵守法律，并且“非常谨慎地确保我们的法律遵守所有适用的规则和义务，以便我们的学生能够参加联邦学生和交流访问者计划。”

Day five, Ranjani's lawyers told her she could fight this, but she'd likely be detained for some amount of time, no idea how long, though, as it would be a federal case, it would probably be at least a year while it wound its way through the courts.

第五天，兰贾尼的律师告诉她，她可以抗争，但她可能会被拘留一段时间，不知道要拘留多长时间，不过，因为这将是一个联邦案件，法庭审理过程可能至少需要一年的时间。

The only way to avoid detention, her lawyers told her, was voluntary departure.

她的律师告诉她，避免拘留的唯一方法是自愿离开。

Ranjani thought, I have some friends and relatives in Canada.

兰贾尼想，我在加拿大有一些朋友和亲戚。

That's close by.

就在附近。

It was quite a quick decision.

这是一个非常快的决定。

I bought my plane ticket on Tuesday, and I left on Tuesday.

我周二买了机票，周二出发。

I think just the idea of detention, at some level, I was like, is even a PhD worth spending several years in jail?

我认为只是拘留的想法，在某种程度上，我想，即使是博士学位也值得在监狱里度过几年吗？

Or we don't know how long.

或者我们不知道要多久。

We don't know what charges.

我们不知道什么费用。

There's so many unknowns.

有太多的未知数。

My lawyers kept telling me all this is unprecedented territory.

我的律师一直告诉我，这一切都是前所未有的领域。

And I just thought the risks were too high.

我只是认为风险太高了。

I don't know.

我不知道。

I just spent so many days in panic.

这么多天我都在惶恐不安中度过。

And I'm extremely, extremely fearful of detention.

我非常非常害怕被拘留。

I'm very claustrophobic.

我有幽闭恐惧症。

And I don't think I would have been able to survive in a cell for years.

我想我不可能在牢房里生存很多年。

Or I don't even know how long this is going to take, right?

或者我什至不知道这需要多长时间，对吧？

So there are just too many unknowns.

所以有太多的未知数。

Also, the likelihood of winning these lawsuits is also not that high, was also what I gathered.

而且，我也认为，赢得这些诉讼的可能性也不是那么高。

So yeah, I guess my freedom was more important.

所以是的，我想我的自由更重要。

How American.

多么美国啊。

Those fears Ranjani had about what might have happened if she had stayed, well, two days after she left, at 9:40 PM--

兰贾尼担心如果她留下来，好吧，在她离开两天后，晚上 9:40，可能会发生什么——

I, again, get the knock, but the knock doesn't stop.

我再次听到敲门声，但敲门声并没有停止。

This is Ranjani's roommate again.

这又是兰贾尼的室友。

She grabs her phone to start recording.

她抓起手机开始录音。

Whereas before, it was maybe 20 seconds of knocking, this time, it's just knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, in that same aggressive, sort of authoritative way for probably three minutes.

以前，敲门的时间可能是 20 秒，而这一次，只是敲门、敲门、敲门、敲门、敲门、敲门、敲门，以同样咄咄逼人、有点权威的方式，持续大约三分钟。

This time, it's also different because they have Campus Safety with them, the Columbia campus police.

这一次，情况也有所不同，因为他们有校园安全部门，哥伦比亚校园警察。

So someone calls through the door, hey, you got to open the door.

有人在门外喊道，嘿，你得开门。

And I hear a key in my lock.

我听到钥匙插进锁的声音。

[DOOR UNLOCKING] And at that point, I hop up.

[门开锁] 就在那时，我跳了起来。

I am in full "defend my home" mode.

我完全处于“保卫我的家园”模式。

They go, it's the police!

他们走了，是警察！

We're coming in.

我们进来了。

We have a warrant.

我们有搜查令。

And they're opening the door.

他们正在开门。

So all I hear is, hands up, hands up.

所以我听到的就是举起手来，举起手来。

Police.

警察。

Let me see your hands.

让我看看你的手。

Let me see your hands.

让我看看你的手。

Hands are up.

双手举起。

Hands are up.

双手举起。

Officer OK, turn around.

警官好的，转身吧。

Where is your location?

你的位置在哪里？

I have a cat in the living room.

我客厅里有一只猫。

Please do not touch her.

请不要碰她。

OK, do you want to bring her in your room?

好的，你想带她到你的房间吗？

And what is your name?

你叫什么名字？

Officer Is your roommate here?

警官 你的室友在吗？

No one is here except for me and my cat.

除了我和我的猫，这里没有人。

Can you please-- can you please get that?

你能得到那个吗？

We can talk at the end.

我们可以到最后再谈。

First, we need to clear this room, make sure there's nothing dangerous or anything in here.

首先，我们需要清理这个房间，确保这里没有任何危险的东西或任何东西。

Is there any weapons in the apartment?

公寓里有武器吗？

I'm not-- My roommate's legal address is this apartment.

我不是——我室友的合法地址是这间公寓。

OK, thank you.

好的，谢谢。

Roommate I'm not sure where they are.

室友我不知道他们在哪里。

OK.

好的。

Roommate And my cat's terrified on the couch.

室友 我的猫在沙发上很害怕。

I grab her up.

我把她抱起来。

She's freaking out, as cats do.

她像猫一样惊慌失措。

Come here.

过来吧。

Come here, sweetie.

过来吧，亲爱的。

Come here, sweetie.

过来吧，亲爱的。

There's a guy in a shirt and a bulletproof vest clearing through the doors.

一个穿着衬衫和防弹背心的人从门口走过来。

He's opening, bang, opening, bang, opening, bang, doors, going through everything, opening the closets, opening all of this stuff.

他打开，砰，打开，砰，打开，砰，门，穿过所有东西，打开壁橱，打开所有这些东西。

The ICE officers are all wearing masks with their comically large bulletproof vests.

ICE 官员都戴着口罩，穿着大得滑稽的防弹背心。

The Campus Safety guy, in his Columbia University lanyard, is just kind of standing around.

校园安全人员戴着哥伦比亚大学的挂绳，只是站在那里。

If there is any question of Columbia working with ICE, it seems like it's answered here.

如果有任何哥伦比亚大学与 ICE 合作的问题，似乎都可以在这里找到答案。

Eventually, they all leave.

最终，他们都离开了。

Here's your warrant.

这是你的搜查令。

This is the return saying we didn't take anything.

这是退货说我们没有拿走任何东西。

Right there.

就在那里。

Roommate US magistrate judge, OK.

室友美国治安法官，好吧。

There you go.

就这样吧。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Have a nice day.

祝你今天过得愉快。

Ranjani has been in Canada for just over two weeks now.

兰贾尼到加拿大才两周多。

Columbia still hasn't reached out since ICE raided her apartment.

自从 ICE 突袭她的公寓以来，哥伦比亚仍未与她联系。

She has no idea whether she'll be able to finish the degree she was a few months from completing, the degree she's worked towards for the better part of a decade.

她不知道自己是否能够完成几个月后才能完成的学位，这个学位是她为之奋斗了十年的大部分时间。

And Ranjani is only now starting to get some information about what the government says she did wrong.

兰贾尼现在才开始了解政府所说她做错了什么的一些信息。

The Department of Homeland Security has said that she failed to disclose the two summonses she received last spring, when she applied to renew her visa.

美国国土安全部表示，她未能透露去年春天她申请续签签证时收到的两张传票。

Ranjani says that was a mistake.

兰贾尼说这是一个错误。

She didn't think to include them because they'd been dismissed.

她不想把他们包括在内，因为他们已经被解雇了。

And even though she's left the country, the government has not let up.

尽管她离开了这个国家，但政府并没有松懈。

She was eating lunch the other day when she got a message from her union rep saying, there's a video of you circulating online, tweeted out by the head of DHS, Kristi Noem.

有一天，她正在吃午饭，收到工会代表发来的消息，说，网上流传着一段你的视频，是国土安全部负责人克里斯蒂·诺姆在推特上发布的。

This is the video I thought was worthy of adding to our Museum of Now, 8 seconds of grainy security footage from LaGuardia Airport.

这是我认为值得添加到我们现在博物馆的视频，来自拉瓜迪亚机场的 8 秒颗粒状安全镜头。

In it, Ranjani is kind of jog-walking through the airport, pulling her carry-on bag behind her.

图中，兰贾尼背着随身携带的包慢跑穿过机场。

Alongside the video, Kristi Noem wrote, "It is a privilege to be granted a visa to live and study in the United States of America.

克里斯蒂·诺姆在视频旁边写道：“获得在美利坚合众国生活和学习的签证是一种荣幸。

When you advocate for violence and terrorism, that privilege should be revoked, and you should not be in this country." She celebrated Ranjani's, quote unquote, "self-deportation," as if running to safety was some kind of admission of guilt.

当你鼓吹暴力和恐怖主义时，这种特权应该被撤销，你不应该留在这个国家。”她庆祝兰贾尼的“自我驱逐”，就好像逃往安全地带是某种认罪一样。

Yeah, I was sort of shocked seeing it on Twitter, because I actually didn't know who Kristi Noem was also, so I didn't really know what was the context of this video.

是的，我在推特上看到这个视频有点震惊，因为我实际上也不知道克里斯蒂·诺姆是谁，所以我真的不知道这个视频的背景是什么。

So you're like, why is this random lady tweeting a video of me?

所以你会想，为什么这个随机的女士会在推特上发布我的视频？

A little bit yes.

有一点是的。

Aviva DeKornfeld What was it like for you to watch the video?

Aviva DeKornfeld 您观看该视频有何感受？

Oh, I was like, why am I walking so funny?

哦，我当时想，为什么我走路这么滑稽？

I guess that was the first reaction mentally, but--

我想这是心理上的第一反应，但是——

Yeah, so basically, what happened was, I was really hungry, and I stopped for a bite.

是的，基本上，发生的事情是，我真的很饿，我停下来吃了一口。

And I kind of lost track of time.

我有点忘记了时间。

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

Ranjani Srinivasan I thought I was late for the flight.

Ranjani Srinivasan 我以为我的航班迟到了。

It's like the perfect 5-second snapshot to be like, look, she's running away.

就像完美的 5 秒快照一样，看，她正在逃跑。

But actually, the reason you're walking quickly is utterly mundane.

但实际上，你走得快的原因完全是平凡的。

Yeah, I mean, you see such people every day in airports, right?

是的，我的意思是，你每天在机场都能看到这样的人，对吗？

So for her to tweet this, it seemed a little strange.

所以她发这样的推文，似乎有点奇怪。

The day DHS released the video, they also put out a press release saying that Ranjani was involved in activities supporting Hamas, a terrorist organization.

国土安全部发布视频当天，还发布了一份新闻稿，称兰贾尼参与了支持恐怖组织哈马斯的活动。

Ranjani says that's absurd, that she never advocated for violence in any form, and that she was engaged in peaceful protest.

兰贾尼说这是荒谬的，她从未主张任何形式的暴力，而且她参与的是和平抗议。

I reached out to DHS.

我联系了国土安全部。

They didn't respond to our questions.

他们没有回答我们的问题。

Ranjani has been personally targeted by one of the world's superpowers, a fact that feels so preposterous and surreal, it's impossible for her to wrap her head around, even now.

兰贾尼已经成为世界超级大国之一的个人攻击目标，这一事实让人感觉如此荒谬和超现实，即使是现在，她也无法理解。

So instead, she finds that her mind keeps landing on more familiar terrain.

因此，她发现自己的思绪不断落在更熟悉的领域。

There's an image that keeps coming back to her.

她脑海中不断浮现出一个画面。

It's from day one, Thursday, March 6, the day she got that first spammy-seeming email.

从第一天开始，即 3 月 6 日星期四，她收到第一封看似垃圾邮件的电子邮件。

I remember sitting in the PhD office and grading and chatting with my other friends in there.

我记得坐在博士办公室里评分并与那里的其他朋友聊天。

I guess that's the thought that keeps looping in my head.

我想这就是我脑海中不断循环的想法。

I'm just like, will I ever be able to do this again?

我只是想，我还能再这样做吗？

Because that was the last normal thing that you'd done.

因为那是你做过的最后一件正常的事情。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

The sequence of events was just so far out, the level of escalation.

事件的发生顺序和升级程度都还很遥远。

Like, it has shaken my sense of reality completely.

就像，它完全动摇了我的现实感。

Ranjani contains a kind of contradiction.

兰贾尼包含着一种矛盾。

She's someone who is deeply committed to the rules, and she tried to operate within those rules.

她是一个非常遵守规则的人，并且她试图在这些规则内行事。

Even after she left the country, she couldn't help but think, but I was in compliance.

即使她出国后，她也忍不住想，但我还是答应了。

But also, some part of her sensed the rules had changed.

但同时，她内心的某些部分也感觉到规则已经改变了。

Aviva DeKornfeld is a producer on our show.

Aviva DeKornfeld 是我们节目的制片人。

Since Ranjani left the country, more students and faculty have been detained or deported by ICE.

自从兰贾尼离开该国以来，更多的学生和教师被 ICE 拘留或驱逐出境。

Secretary of State Marco Rubio was asked at a press conference just how many foreign students have had their visas revoked.

国务卿马可·卢比奥在新闻发布会上被问及有多少外国学生的签证被吊销。

He said at least 300.

他说至少300个。

Maybe more than 300 at this point.

目前可能超过 300 个。

We do it every day.

我们每天都这样做。

Every time I find one of these lunatics, I take away their visa.

每次我发现其中一个疯子，我就会取消他们的签证。

We're looking every day.

我们每天都在寻找。

Coming up, somebody talks to a Trump administration official and holds their feet to the fire about incorrect facts that they're basing policy on in a way I just have never heard, not from reporters, not from other politicians, not from anybody.

接下来，有人与特朗普政府官员交谈，并对错误的事实采取行动，他们以一种我从未听说过的方式制定政策，不是从记者那里，不是从其他政客那里，也没有从任何人那里听说过。

This official is simply not allowed to walk away from the conversation.

这位官员根本不可以退出谈话。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today's program, "Museum of Now." So many things around us seem to be changing so quickly since President Trump took office that it is hard to keep track.

今天的节目“现在的博物馆”。自特朗普总统上任以来，我们周围的许多事情似乎都在快速变化，以至于很难追踪。

We thought it would be a good idea to create this museum where we could all pause for a minute, consider what is in front of us, what is happening.

我们认为创建这个博物馆是个好主意，让我们所有人都可以暂停一分钟，思考我们面前的事情，正在发生的事情。

And let's just head down the hallway here, OK, past the big map of the Gulf of America, and then past the pictures of President Trump on the lawn of the White House with a big, red Tesla-- a great product, he said, by the way, as good as it gets.

让我们沿着这里的走廊走，好吧，经过美洲湾的大地图，然后经过特朗普总统在白宫草坪上开着一辆红色大特斯拉的照片——顺便说一句，他说，这是一个伟大的产品，尽善尽美。

OK, turn this corner.

好的，转过这个角。

OK, stop there.

好吧，就到此为止吧。

Here we are.

我们到了。

This next exhibit, right in front of us, is a building.

下一个展览就在我们面前，是一座建筑物。

See the building?

看到大楼了吗？

Yeah.

是的。

We've moved an entire federal building into the museum.

我们已经将整个联邦大楼搬进了博物馆。

The building is the Elijah Barrett Prettyman US Courthouse.

该建筑是伊利亚·巴雷特·普雷特曼美国法院。

And it's here because it is one of the big, gladiatorial arenas of this moment in our country's history.

它之所以在这里，是因为它是我国历史上这一时刻的大型角斗场之一。

Tour the courtrooms in this building, and you will find it is full of dozens of cases filed against the Trump administration-- cases about fired federal workers, cases about DOGE and Elon Musk, cases about turning around planes full of Venezuelans, including that case where the judge ordered at least one plane to turn around mid-air, and it didn't happen.

参观这座大楼的法庭，你会发现里面充满了针对特朗普政府的数十起案件——关于被解雇的联邦工作人员的案件、关于DOGE和埃隆·马斯克的案件、关于调转满载委内瑞拉人的飞机的案件，包括法官命令至少一架飞机在半空中调转但没有发生的案件。

That courtroom is in this building.

那个法庭就在这座大楼里。

One of our show's editors, Laura Starecheski, volunteered to drop by and observe what we all assumed, I have to say, would be a weedy federal court hearing here, expecting to be bored with the minutia of technical legal issues, or at least some of the time.

我们节目的一位编辑劳拉·斯塔里切斯基（Laura Starecheski）自愿过来观察我们都认为，我不得不说，这将是一场杂草丛生的联邦法院听证会，预计会对技术法律问题的细节感到厌倦，或者至少在某些时候。

And instead, Laura found action, drama, comedy.

相反，劳拉发现了动作片、戏剧和喜剧。

Here is Laura's story.

这是劳拉的故事。

I picked a bench on the right, plaintiff side, for my day in federal court.

我在联邦法院的一天选择了原告右侧的一张长凳。

The case I was there to see was about an executive order Trump signed in the very first week of his second term, barring transgender people from serving in the military.

我在那里看到的案件是关于特朗普在第二任期第一周签署的一项行政命令，禁止变性人参军。

A group of transgender people were suing to block the executive order, claiming unconstitutional discrimination, decorated, elite, upstanding, patriotic, transgender service members, many of whom were there that day in court, sitting ramrod straight in the front row.

一群变性人提起诉讼，阻止这项行政命令，声称歧视是违宪的，他们是功勋卓著、精英、正直、爱国的变性军​​人，他们中的许多人那天出现在法庭上，笔直地坐在前排。

Livelihoods and honor were at stake.

生计和荣誉受到威胁。

This was my first federal court hearing, and I don't know what I was expecting exactly, but it wasn't this.

这是我第一次参加联邦法院听证会，我不知道我到底在期待什么，但事实并非如此。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Good morning, everyone.

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：大家早上好。

Please be seated.

请入座。

Judge Ana C.

法官安娜·C.

Reyes.

雷耶斯。

We had actors read the courtroom transcripts.

我们让演员宣读法庭笔录。

I wasn't allowed to record there.

我不被允许在那里录音。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Before we call the case this morning, I want to address some things I saw over the weekend.

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：在我们今天早上审理此案之前，我想谈谈我周末看到的一些事情。

So some of you may have heard or heard about a TRO hearing I had on Friday.

你们中的一些人可能听说过我周五举行的 TRO 听证会。

It got some press.

它得到了一些媒体的报道。

There were a lot of social media posts about it, which I know because my friends kept teasing me about it all weekend by sending me a number of the posts.

有很多关于这件事的社交媒体帖子，我知道这是因为我的朋友整个周末都在向我发送一些帖子来取笑我。

In that other case, a bunch of inspectors general recently fired by President Trump asked Judge Reyes for a Temporary Restraining Order, a TRO, to get their jobs back.

在另一起案件中，最近被特朗普总统解雇的一群监察长向雷耶斯法官申请临时限制令（TRO），以恢复他们的工作。

Judge Reyes did not grant the TRO.

雷耶斯法官没有批准 TRO。

Reyes is a Biden appointee, but clearly, anybody expecting her to show knee jerk sympathy for fired federal officials was going to be disappointed.

雷耶斯是拜登任命的人，但显然，任何期待她对被解雇的联邦官员表示本能同情的人都会感到失望。

On X, some conservatives were praising her, but other people were mad.

在 X 上，一些保守派人士赞扬了她，但其他人却很生气。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: So I'm just going to give you a few examples.

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：所以我只想给你举几个例子。

It started off pretty well.

一切开始得很好。

I got a voicemail in chambers which started, "Judge Reyes is amazing." And look, judges are people.

我在分庭收到一封语音邮件，开头是：“雷耶斯法官太棒了。”看，法官也是人。

I appreciate the compliment.

我很感激你的赞美。

I'm not going to lie.

我不会撒谎。

I wanted to hear more.

我想听更多。

So it continued.

就这样继续下去。

"Judge Reyes is an amazing fascist who cannot read because English was her second language.

“雷耶斯法官是一位了不起的法西斯主义者，她不识字，因为英语是她的第二语言。

And it ends with she belongs in a house dress, not in a robe."

最终她属于家居服，而不是长袍。”

Now, look, I do not think denying a TRO makes me a fascist.

现在，你看，我不认为否认 TRO 会让我成为法西斯主义者。

Also, please be assured, counsel, that I can, indeed, read.

另外，请律师放心，我确实可以阅读。

I've been able to read for about a year now.

到现在我已经能读书一年了。

She's funny, I thought.

她很有趣，我想。

But I'd come here to this courtroom to talk to the plaintiffs, to focus on them.

但我来到这个法庭是为了与原告交谈，关注他们。

That's what I thought the story was, not this judge or this hearing.

这就是我所认为的故事，而不是这位法官或这次听证会。

How did this all look to the people maybe about to lose their careers and livelihoods?

对于那些可能即将失去职业和生计的人们来说，这一切看起来如何？

The plaintiffs had over 60 years of service between them, military careers going back generations, one called a passion and a family tradition, another called a deep responsibility.

原告已经服役了 60 多年，军旅生涯可以追溯到几代人之前，一个被称为激情和家庭传统，另一个被称为深刻的责任。

The executive order was, quote, "a devastating rebuke, demoralizing." "If the ban stood, I would lose my way of life," one of the plaintiffs said in a declaration.

引述该行政命令是“毁灭性的谴责，令人士气低落”。一名原告在一份声明中表示：“如果禁令继续有效，我将失去生活方式。”

These were people the military had spent millions of dollars to train.

这些人是军方花费数百万美元来训练的。

Some had been in combat, won medals.

有些人参加过战斗，赢得了奖牌。

"Unassailable" is the word that comes to mind.

“无懈可击”是我脑海中浮现的词。

But the plaintiffs would sit silently through the 5-plus hours of this hearing, as it turned out.

但事实证明，原告在听证会的五个多小时里默默地坐着。

Judge Reyes would be the star of the show.

雷耶斯法官将成为该剧的明星。

In this moment, with Congress sidelined, or distracted, or something, it's all up to the judges, it seems, to determine if the Trump administration is following the Constitution, and if not, to compel them to do so.

此时此刻，在国会靠边站或分心或其他什么情况下，似乎一切都取决于法官来确定特朗普政府是否遵守宪法，如果没有，则迫使他们这样做。

And so I decided to watch Judge Reyes wrestle with the executive order before her.

因此，我决定观看雷耶斯法官在她面前如何处理行政命令。

Judge Reyes is small, Latina, and just speaking for myself, intimidating.

雷耶斯法官身材矮小，是拉丁裔，只是为我自己说话，令人生畏。

Almost immediately, once the hearing got going, her focus fell like the Eye of Sauron upon the government's lawyer, Jason Lynch.

听证会开始后，她的注意力几乎立刻就像索伦之眼一样落在了政府律师杰森·林奇身上。

Lynch was there with two other lawyers for the Trump administration.

林奇和特朗普政府的另外两名律师也在场。

Across the aisle from him were six lawyers on the plaintiffs' side.

他的过道对面是原告一方的六名律师。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Good morning, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：早上好，法官大人。

Jason Lynch, Department of Justice, Civil Division, on behalf of the United States.

贾森·林奇（Jason Lynch），司法部民事部门，代表美国。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: You guys are outmanned.

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：你们人手不足。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Indeed we are, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员： 确实如此，法官大人。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: All right.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：好的。

Well, try to hang in there.

好吧，试着坚持下去。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Thank you.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：谢谢。

Lynch, bearded, substantial in his suit, talking so fast, the court reporter kept pleading with him to slow down, his job was to defend the executive order.

林奇留着胡子，西装革履，语速很快，法庭记者不断恳求他放慢速度，他的工作是捍卫行政命令。

Here's some of what it says.

以下是其中的一些内容。

People with a, quote, "false gender identity" can't meet the standards for military service.

引用“虚假性别认同”的人无法达到服兵役的标准。

The order goes on to say, quote, "adoption of a gender identity inconsistent with an individual's sex conflicts with the soldier's commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one's personal life.

该命令接着说，“采用与个人性别不一致的性别认同，与士兵对光荣、诚实和有纪律的生活方式的承诺相冲突，即使在个人生活中也是如此。”

A man's assertion that he is a woman, and his requirement that others honor this falsehood, is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member," end quote.

一个男人声称自己是女人，并要求其他人尊重这一谎言，这与军人所要求的谦逊和无私并不相符。”

The implication here is that trans people are false, dishonorable, liars.

这里的含义是跨性别者是虚伪的、不光彩的、骗子的。

I'm trans, and this kind of accusation isn't new, but I'll admit the words cut to the bone the first time I read them.

我是变性人，这种指控并不新鲜，但我承认，当我第一次读到这些话时，我觉得这些话很切中要害。

And then there was this point from an earlier executive order that this one was based on, a blockbuster titled "Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government." I don't know about you, but I'd see that movie.

然后，这是一项早期行政命令中的一点，这是一项名为“捍卫妇女免受性别意识形态极端主义影响并恢复联邦政府生物学真相”的轰动一时的行政命令。我不了解你，但我会看那部电影。

Anyway, the language in that executive order, if you haven't read it, goes like this-- "It is the policy of the United States to recognize two sexes, male and female.

无论如何，如果你没读过的话，该行政命令中的语言是这样的——“美国的政策承认男性和女性两种性别。

These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality." This was the first thing that Judge Reyes kind of drilled down on.

这些性别是不可改变的，并且基于基本且无可争议的现实。”这是雷耶斯法官深入探讨的第一件事。

She took it up with Lynch.

她向林奇提出了这个问题。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: OK, and that EO states, quote, "sex shall refer to an individual's immutable biological classification as either male or female."

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯（ANA REYES）：好的，《EO》指出，“性别是指个体不可改变的生物分类，即男性或女性。”

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: And it states that, quote, "It is the policy of the United States to recognize two sexes, male and female." Do you see that?

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：它指出，引用“美国的政策承认男性和女性两种性别。”你看到了吗？

Or do you remember that?

或者你还记得吗？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: I've misplaced my Defending Women EO, but I will take the Court's word for it.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：我把我的《捍卫女性》EO 放丢了，但我会相信法庭的说法。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: OK, it's important, so I just want you to look at it.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：好的，这很重要，所以我只想让你看一下。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: OK.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：好的。

Let me get it then.

那就让我去拿吧。

So much for being well-prepared.

做好充分准备就这么多了。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: All right.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：好的。

Lynch was standing in the well, the area in front of the judge, in which, while addressing her, he must ask even to turn his body and walk a few feet over to his desk to grab his laptop or a piece of paper with the executive order printed on it.

林奇站在井里，法官面前的区域，在向她讲话时，他甚至必须要求转过身子，走到几英尺到他的办公桌前，拿起他的笔记本电脑或一张印有行政命令的纸。

A lawyer friend told me that the staging of all this is important.

一位律师朋友告诉我，这一切的布置很重要。

While standing in the well, the lawyers are subject to the judge's demands and requests.

站在井里的时候，律师们要服从法官的要求和要求。

The judge could be like, sit down, spin around-- whatever she wants.

法官可以是，坐下，旋转——无论她想要什么。

And the lawyer would need to do it.

律师需要这样做。

And while everyone is in the well together, the judge limits the discussion to what is important and true.

虽然每个人都在一起，但法官将讨论限制在重要和真实的内容上。

So there is at least one magical three-dimensional space in America, sized about 300 square feet, where facts are privileged.

因此，在美国至少存在一个神奇的三维空间，面积约为 300 平方英尺，且以事实为依据。

I can tell you it's real because I saw it myself.

我可以告诉你这是真的，因为我亲眼所见。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: You understand, as a matter of biology, it's just incorrect that there are only two sexes, right?

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：你明白，从生物学角度来看，只有两种性别是不正确的，对吧？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Do I understand that to be incorrect as a biological matter?

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：我是否理解这作为生物学问题是不正确的？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Yes, it is incorrect as a biological matter.

（对象）扮演安娜·雷耶斯的演员：是的，作为生物物质它是不正确的。

You understand that, right?

你明白这一点，对吧？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: I don't understand that to be incorrect.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：我不明白这是不正确的。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Well, you understand that not everyone has an XX or an XY chromosome, right?

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：好吧，你知道不是每个人都有 XX 或 XY 染色体，对吧？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Well, honestly, no, I'm not prepared to--

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：嗯，老实说，不，我不准备——

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: I mean, it's actually kind of a really important point because this executive order is premised on an assertion that's not biologically correct.

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：我的意思是，这实际上是一个非常重要的观点，因为这项行政命令的前提是一个在生物学上不正确的断言。

There are anywhere near about 30 different intersex examples.

大约有 30 个不同的双性人例子。

So someone who does not have just an XX or XY chromosome is not just male or female, they're intersex.

因此，不只有 XX 或 XY 染色体的人不仅是男性或女性，而且是双性人。

And there are over 30 potential different intersex examples.

并且有超过 30 个潜在的不同双性人的例子。

We've got genetic differences.

我们有遗传差异。

We have people with XXX chromosomes.

我们有带有 XXX 染色体的人。

We have androgen insensitivity, XY genetically, but may have female external sex characteristics and internally have testes.

我们对雄激素不敏感，基因为 XY，但可能具有女性的外部性特征，内部有睾丸。

There's a 5-alpha reductase deficiency that causes changes in testosterone metabolism.

5-α还原酶缺乏会导致睾酮代谢发生变化。

She was deep in this material.

她对这些材料很感兴趣。

I hadn't been able to tell up until this point if Reyes was leaning in a particular direction with this case.

直到此时我才知道雷耶斯在这个案子上是否倾向于特定的方向。

Now, I could see the things she loves-- science, rational thought, facts.

现在，我可以看到她喜欢的东西——科学、理性思考、事实。

Later, in this and other hearings, there would be Star Trek references, Beyoncé, side speech on Newtonian physics.

随后，在这次听证会和其他听证会上，将会有《星际迷航》参考资料、碧昂丝关于牛顿物理学的旁白。

For now, homework for the lawyers.

现在，给律师们做作业。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: I'm happy to have you guys brief this more if you want, but I'm telling you right now that there are people who are neither male nor female.

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯（ANA REYES）：如果你们愿意的话，我很高兴让你们进一步介绍这一点，但我现在告诉你们，有些人既不是男性也不是女性。

And so the premise of the executive order is just incorrect.

因此，行政命令的前提是不正确的。

And my question to you is-- and if you want to talk about this tomorrow, that's fine.

我问你的问题是——如果你想明天讨论这个问题，那没问题。

But my question to you is, what do I do with the fact that the entire order is premised on an incorrect biological assessment?

但我的问题是，整个订单都是以错误的生物学评估为前提的，我该怎么办？

This was the first big thwack Judge Reyes took at the validity of the executive order.

这是雷耶斯法官对行政命令有效性的第一次严厉打击。

Lynch didn't have a satisfying answer.

林奇没有给出令人满意的答案。

Judge Reyes said he had to write up a brief on the biology of sex for her.

雷耶斯法官说，他必须为她写一份关于性生物学的摘要。

Around this time, I looked over at a large sketchpad on the lap of an older white man sitting next to me.

大约在这个时候，我看着坐在我旁边的一位年长白人腿上的一个大画板。

He was sketching with a pencil some beautifully drawn geometric shapes.

他正在用铅笔勾勒出一些精美的几何形状。

Next to those were lists of numbers.

旁边是数字列表。

Next to the numbers, one row labeled "direct shots," one labeled "indirect shots."

在数字旁边，一排标记为“直接射击”，一排标记为“间接射击”。

Whoa.

哇哦。

Was he keeping score, tracking how many points the judge landed and how many Lynch did?

他是否在记分，记录法官打了多少分，林奇打了多少分？

There were percentages.

有百分比。

How long had he been following this case?

他关注这个案子多久了？

There were layers of sophistication to observing a hearing like this that I couldn't have imagined.

观察这样一场听证会的复杂程度是我无法想象的。

I asked the guy later on a break.

稍后休息时我问那家伙。

He told me he's retired.

他告诉我他已经退休了。

Court watching is his hobby.

观看法庭比赛是他的爱好。

Comes here to the federal court building four or five times a week, just for fun.

每周来联邦法院大楼四五次，只是为了好玩。

On the notepad, he was gaming out scenarios while he listened to the judge for his other hobby-- backgammon.

他在记事本上一边玩游戏，一边听法官讲述他的另一个爱好——双陆棋。

When an executive order gets challenged in court, there's this legal concept that gets applied, a basic test that has to pass.

当行政命令在法庭上受到质疑时，就会应用这个法律概念，这是一个必须通过的基本测试。

It's usually easy, like a limbo bar 10 feet in the air that you can just walk under.

这通常很容易，就像一个 10 英尺高的悬空酒吧，你可以从下面走过去。

Does the order pass rational basis scrutiny?

该命令是否通过了理性基础的审查？

Meaning, is the government singling out this group for a legitimate reason?

意思是，政府单独挑选这个群体是否有正当理由？

Is this order justified?

这个命令合理吗？

But with this executive order, it was hard to find a justification because none was offered.

但对于这项行政命令，很难找到理由，因为没有提供任何理由。

No military officials in uniform stepped up to testify.

没有穿制服的军官站出来作证。

In fact, there were no complaints at all submitted to the court from anyone in the military that trans people disrupt unit cohesion or harm troop readiness, as the order claims.

事实上，正如该命令声称的那样，军队中没有任何人向法院提出任何关于跨性别者破坏部队凝聚力或损害部队战备状态的投诉。

No real evidence, just the naked assertion that trans people are unfit to serve.

没有真正的证据，只是赤裸裸地断言跨性别者不适合服役。

So without convincing evidence, Judge Reyes was left with the words in the order itself, and Jason Lynch standing in front of her to answer a very basic question-- is this order just demeaning and discriminatory in a common sense way?

因此，在没有令人信服的证据的情况下，雷耶斯法官只剩下了命令本身的文字，杰森·林奇站在她面前回答一个非常基本的问题——这个命令是否只是常识性的贬低和歧视？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: I mean, if I called you a liar, would you find that demeaning?

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：我的意思是，如果我称你为骗子，你会觉得这是一种侮辱吗？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: So I assume the Court is asking in a constitutionally relevant sense whether--

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：所以我认为法院是在宪法相关的意义上询问是否——

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: I'm just-- no, I'm asking in a common sense way.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：我只是——不，我是用常识来问的。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: So I don't have an answer in a common sense way, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：所以我没有常识性的答案，法官大人。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: OK, you don't know if you can tell me that categorizing an entire group of people as dishonorable, lying, undisciplined, whether at work or at home-- so you can't tell me, sitting here today on behalf of the government, whether someone would consider that demeaning?

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯（ANA REYES）：好吧，你不知道你是否可以告诉我，无论是在工作中还是在家里，将一整群人归类为不名誉、撒谎、不守纪律的人——所以你不能告诉我，今天代表政府坐在这里，是否会有人认为这是有辱人格的？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: I don't have a view to express on that question, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员： 法官大人，我对这个问题没有意见要表达。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Quote, "A man's assertion that he is a woman and his requirement that others honor this falsehood is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required for a service member," end quote.

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯（Ana Reyes）：引用，“一个男人声称自己是女人，并要求其他人尊重这一谎言，这与军人所要求的谦逊和无私不一致，”引用结束。

What's the record and the evidence-- what's the evidence in the record before me to support this assertion?

记录和证据是什么——我面前的记录中支持这一断言的证据是什么？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: For-- the same answer with the same caveats as before, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：因为——与之前相同的答案和相同的警告，法官大人。

I don't have an answer.

我没有答案。

I don't have a view to express.

我没有观点要表达。

I can't say.

我不能说。

There were silver clock hands mounted up on the wood paneled wall above Lynch's side of the courtroom.

法庭林奇一侧上方的木镶板墙上安装着银色的钟针。

They were stuck just after 9:00 AM.

上午 9:00 刚过，他们就被困住了。

They never moved.

他们从来没有动过。

And he repeated the same answers over and over and over.

他一遍又一遍地重复同样的答案。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Would you consider being called dishonest, demeaning?

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：你会考虑被称为不诚实、有辱人格的人吗？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: I think I'm going to have the same answer, Your Honor, which is that we don't concede that it's a constitutionally relevant expression.

（主题）杰森·林奇演员：法官大人，我想我会有同样的答案，那就是我们不承认这是与宪法相关的表达方式。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: What about immodest?

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：那不谦虚呢？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Same answer, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：同样的答案，法官大人。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: What about lacking integrity?

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：缺乏诚信怎么办？

Can you at least give me lacking integrity?

你至少能给我一点诚信吗？

Anyone with common sense would say that being called someone who lacks integrity, people who have sworn to take an oath, who have sworn an oath to defend the country with their lives, would you consider that to be, as a commonsensical manner, demeaning?

有常识的人都会说，被称为没有诚信的人、发誓的人、发誓用生命保卫国家的人，按常理来说，你会认为这是一种贬低吗？

Or you can't even say that?

或者你连这句话都不能说？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: I'd have to give you the same answer, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员： 法官大人，我必须给您同样的答案。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Would it be fair to say that excluding a group of people from military service based on unsupported assertions that they are liars, immodest, lack integrity, are undisciplined, and are dishonorable, would you agree with me that particularly, where there is no support for any of those assertions, that that is animated by animus?

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：公平地说，基于毫无根据的断言，即一群人是骗子、不谦虚、缺乏正直、不守纪律、不光彩，而将他们排除在兵役之外，你是否同意我的观点，特别是，在没有任何这些断言得到支持的情况下，这些断言是由敌意驱动的？

Animus-- here, a legal term, meaning roughly, hostility towards a specific group.

Animus——这里是一个法律术语，大致意思是对特定群体的敌意。

Even if, say, a president doesn't like a certain category of people, the Constitution says the government can't treat them differently or worse than others without a sufficient reason.

即使总统不喜欢某一类人，宪法也规定，如果没有充分的理由，政府不能以与其他人不同或更差的方式对待他们。

And if there is no sufficient reason, or any discernible reason for the executive order, the judge can conclude that it's simply discriminatory, and therefore unconstitutional.

如果行政命令没有充分的理由或任何明显的理由，法官可以得出结论，这只是歧视性的，因此违宪。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: I want to know whether this executive order signed by the president of the United States, who calls an entire category of people dishonest, dishonorable, undisciplined, immodest, who lack integrity, people who have taken an oath to defend this country, people who have been under fire, people who have received medals for taking fire for this country, I want to know from the government, whether that language expresses animus.

（主角）扮演安娜·雷耶斯的演员：我想知道美国总统签署的这项行政命令是否对整个类别的人不诚实、不光彩、不守纪律、不谦虚、缺乏正直、宣誓保卫这个国家的人、受到攻击的人、因为这个国家而获得勋章的人，我想知道政府是否认为这种语言表达了敌意。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: And I have the same answer as before, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇演员：法官大人，我的答案与之前相同。

Lynch seemed to be in the awkward position of not having a counterargument, and also having no way to answer her questions without saying something that could hurt his case.

林奇似乎处于一个尴尬的境地，既没有反驳的余地，也无法回答她的问题，除非说出一些可能会损害他的案件的事情。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Does that express animus?

（主题）演员安娜·雷耶斯：这是否表达了敌意？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: Yes?

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：是吗？

No?

不？

I don't know?

我不知道？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Not in any constitutionally--

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：不符合任何宪法规定——

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: No, in a common sense way.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：不，从常识上来说。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: I understand, Your Honor, that as you said on Thursday, you may write an opinion that says the government refused to answer that question or was unable to answer that question.

（主题）杰森·林奇演员：法官大人，我理解，正如您周四所说，您可以写一份意见，表示政府拒绝回答该问题或无法回答该问题。

I don't have an answer for you.

我没有答案给你。

I almost felt bad for Lynch, but he stayed the course, kept stonewalling, which is either the perfect joke for this spot, or the worst.

我几乎为林奇感到难过，但他坚持到底，一直在阻挠，这对于这个场景来说要么是一个完美的笑话，要么是最糟糕的。

Reyes paused, thought, tried a different tack.

雷耶斯停了下来，想了想，尝试了不同的策略。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: ACTOR AS ANA REYES: You know, you're a lawyer.

（主题） 演员 ANA REYES： 演员 ANA REYES： 你知道，你是一名律师。

You know how important integrity is to your profession, right?

您知道诚信对您的职业有多重要，对吗？

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Yes, Your Honor.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：是的，法官大人。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: All right.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：好的。

I made standing orders when I was in the back.

当我在后面时，我下了常规订单。

My new standing orders say that no one who has graduated from UVA Law School can appear before me.

我的新常规规定，从弗吉尼亚大学法学院毕业的人都不能出现在我面前。

So I need you to sit down, please.

所以我需要你坐下。

I need you to sit down.

我需要你坐下。

Lynch actually did go sit down.

林奇确实坐下了。

He left the microphone, awkwardly circumnavigated a large table on the government side, and sat with the other two lawyers.

他离开了麦克风，笨拙地绕过政府一侧的一张大桌子，和另外两名律师坐在一起。

An invisible but collective cringe rippled across the courtroom.

法庭上弥漫着一种无形但集体的畏缩情绪。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: And the reason I don't want people from UVA Law School appearing before me is because, for no reason I'm going to give you, I think they're all liars and lack integrity and are undisciplined and can't possibly meet the high rigors of being a lawyer for the government.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：我不希望 UVA 法学院的人出现在我面前的原因是，我不会给你任何理由，我认为他们都是骗子，缺乏诚信，不守纪律，不可能满足作为政府律师的严格要求。

Now, if I actually had that standing order, would that be demeaning-- come back up-- to people from UVA Law School?

现在，如果我真的有这个长期命令，这对 UVA 法学院的人来说会是一种侮辱吗？

Lynch made his way around the table again and went back up to the microphone.

林奇再次绕过桌子，回到麦克风前。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR OF JASON LYNCH: Because you actually prevented me from appearing in front of you on that basis, I think it would be fair if courts were subject to the same kind of scrutiny to demand that you support the reason for having done that.

（主题）杰森·林奇的演员：因为你实际上以此为由阻止我出现在你面前，我认为如果法院受到同样的审查并要求你支持这样做的原因，那将是公平的。

This was as close as Lynch came, as far as I could tell, to conceding a point.

据我所知，林奇已经接近承认这一点了。

It's fair for Judge Reyes to ask the question, to ask the government for one legitimate reason for banning transgender people from the military.

雷耶斯法官提出这个问题，向政府询问禁止跨性别者参军的合法理由，这是公平的。

Trump's Justice Department filed a complaint about Judge Reyes for this forced thought exercise about UVA Law School.

特朗普的司法部对雷耶斯法官对弗吉尼亚大学法学院的强制思考活动提出了投诉。

They asked for an investigation, said she had tried to embarrass Jason Lynch.

他们要求进行调查，称她试图让杰森·林奇难堪。

Judge Reyes was open to hearing a reason why trans people should not serve in the military.

雷耶斯法官愿意听取跨性别者不应该参军的理由。

Indeed, she asked for one, practically pleaded.

确实，她想要一份，几乎是恳求的。

I couldn't count the times over the course of this hearing and the ones that followed that Judge Reyes asked the government lawyers to offer any evidence, any testimony, any studies, any data that would support their case for the executive order.

我无法计算在这次听证会过程中以及随后雷耶斯法官要求政府律师提供任何证据、任何证词、任何研究、任何数据来支持他们的行政命令案情的次数。

She gave them time.

她给了他们时间。

She asked for research and written briefs, anything or anyone.

她要求提供研究报告和书面简报，任何东西或任何人。

(SUBJECT) ACTOR AS ANA REYES: If you want to have-- if you want to get me an officer of the United States military who's willing to get on the stand and say that because of pronoun usage, the US military is less prepared than it needs to be, I will be the first to give you a box of cigars.

（对象）演员安娜·雷耶斯：如果你想——如果你想让我找一位美国军官，他愿意出庭并说，由于代词的使用，美国军方的准备不足，我将是第一个给你一盒雪茄的人。

You have until-- you have 10 days to find me a person, find a declarant, anyone who's a commissioned officer, to get on the stand and say that.

你必须在 10 天内给我找一个人，找一个声明者，任何一个军官，到证人席上说出这句话。

And I'm going to want them on the stand, not just in writing, all right?

我希望他们出庭作证，而不仅仅是书面形式，好吗？

The government never produced any witnesses.

政府从未出示任何证人。

No military person took the stand to argue for the executive order.

没有军人出庭支持行政命令。

Judge Reyes took a few weeks to rule.

雷耶斯法官花了几周时间才做出裁决。

Meanwhile, an official policy came down from the Department of Defense.

与此同时，国防部发布了一项官方政策。

The policy instructed the military to identify trans people within 30 days, and required them to either leave on their own or be forced out.

该政策指示军方在 30 天内识别跨性别者，并要求他们要么自行离开，要么被迫离开。

So across the military, trans people started to get singled out by their commanders, first, slowly, in dribs and drabs, and then faster, as more and more got scooped up and sidelined in different ways.

因此，在整个军队中，跨性别者开始被他们的指挥官挑选出来，首先是缓慢地、点点滴滴，然后是更快地，因为越来越多的人以不同的方式被铲除和边缘化。

One plaintiff told me she had been yanked from her unit as a medic in a combat zone in the Middle East and put on a plane back to the US so the Army could start the process of discharging her.

一位原告告诉我，她在中东战区作为一名医务人员被从她的部队中调出来，并被带上飞机返回美国，以便陆军可以开始遣散她的程序。

Another, a congressional fellow in the Air Force serving at the Pentagon, was put on administrative leave and told to prepare to be separated.

另一位是在五角大楼任职的空军国会研究员，他被安排行政休假，并被告知准备离职。

That's the military term for kicked out.

这是军事术语，意思是“被踢出去”。

A petty officer showed up for surgery at a Navy Medical Center in Virginia.

一名士官到弗吉尼亚州的海军医疗中心接受手术。

He was pulled off a gurney after being given anesthesia, but before the surgeon began the procedure, and told to leave the hospital.

接受麻醉后，在外科医生开始手术之前，他被从轮床上拉下来，并被告知离开医院。

When Judge Reyes finally ruled, she wrote that she was blocking the military policy.

当雷耶斯法官最终做出裁决时，她写道，她正在阻止军事政策。

She found that the policy and the executive order that it was based on violated equal protection rights in the Constitution.

她发现该政策及其所依据的行政命令违反了宪法中的平等保护权利。

She wrote, "The military ban is soaked in animus and dripping with pretext.

她写道：“军事禁令充满了敌意，充满了借口。

Its language is unabashedly demeaning.

它的语言是毫不掩饰的贬低。

Its policy stigmatizes transgender persons as inherently unfit, and its conclusions bear no relation to fact." Her ruling said the military could not discharge transgender people just for being trans, and they have to bring anyone who's been put on leave back to active duty.

它的政策将跨性别者污蔑为天生不合格，其结论与事实无关。”她的裁决称，军队不能仅仅因为跨性别者就解雇跨性别者，他们必须让任何被休假的人重返现役。

This week, the Trump administration appealed the case to a higher court.

本周，特朗普政府将此案向上级法院提出上诉。

As I finish this story, it's unclear whether the military will be allowed to discharge transgender service members or whether Judge Reyes's ruling will stand.

当我写完这个故事时，尚不清楚军方是否会被允许解雇变性军人，也不清楚雷耶斯法官的裁决是否会成立。

If you'll permit me one small digression at this late stage, back in the courtroom, during the hearings, there was one other court watcher, an even older man, with jeans drooping off his skinny butt, dedicated, clearly irregular, not always coherent.

如果你允许我在最后阶段说点题外话的话，回到法庭，在听证会期间，还有另一位法庭观察员，一个更老的男人，牛仔裤从他瘦小的屁股上垂下来，专注，明显不规则，并不总是连贯。

At one point, apropos of nothing, he called out into the courtroom, referencing Brer Rabbit.

有一次，他无缘无故地在法庭上大声喊叫，提到了“兔子兄弟”。

They threw me into that briar patch, he said.

他们把我扔进了那片荆棘丛中，他说。

Nothing worse than being thrown into a briar patch on a nice, warm, spring-like day.

没有什么比在一个美好、温暖、春天般的日子里被扔进荆棘地更糟糕的了。

I think it's fair to say that Trump's executive order, with its almost absurdly strong and cruel language, threw a lot of people into the briar patch-- plaintiffs, first and foremost, their families, other trans service members, lawyers, judges, me.

我认为可以公平地说，特朗普的行政命令以其近乎荒谬的强烈和残酷的语言，将很多人扔进了荆棘丛中——原告，首先是他们的家人，其他跨性别军人、律师、法官和我。

It started a chain of events, and we might still be at the beginning.

它引发了一系列事件，而我们可能仍处于开始阶段。

This case could take a while to wind its way through the courts, months, maybe years, making this the kind of situation that's apparently a little too easy to get into and very, very difficult to get out of.

这个案子可能需要一段时间才能在法庭上审理，几个月，甚至几年，这使得这种情况显然有点太容易陷入，而且非常非常难以摆脱。

Laura Starecheski is one of the editors of our show.

劳拉·斯塔莱切斯基 (Laura Starecheski) 是我们节目的编辑之一。

The actors were Veronica Cruz and Dave Shalansky.

演员是维罗妮卡·克鲁兹和戴夫·沙兰斯基。

Well, our visit to the Museum of Now was produced and edited by Nancy Updike and Chana Joffe-Walt.

嗯，我们对现在博物馆的参观是由南希·厄普代克和查纳·乔夫-沃尔特制作和编辑的。

They also sit on the museum's board and construction committee and say that if we need to visit again, they can pull some strings for us.

他们也是博物馆的董事会和建设委员会的成员，并表示如果我们需要再次参观，他们可以为我们提供一些帮助。

They promise they're going to stay on the board, even if the president decides to make himself the chairman.

他们承诺，即使总统决定让自己担任董事长，他们也将继续留在董事会。

Other people put together today's show-- Phia Bennin, Michael Comite, Angela Gervasi, Cassie Howley, Valerie Kipnis, Seth Lind, Tobin Low, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, Nadia Reiman, Ryan Rumery, Alissa Shipp, Ike Sriskandarajah, Lilly Sullivan, Amelia Schonbek, Christopher Swetala, and Diane Wu.

今天节目的其他人包括：Phia Bennin、Michael Comite、Angela Gervasi、Cassie Howley、Valerie Kipnis、Seth Lind、Tobin Low、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson、Nadia Reiman、Ryan Rumery、Alissa Shipp、Ike Sriskandarajah、Lilly Sullivan、Amelia Schonbek、Christopher Swetala 和 Diane Wu。

Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.

我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。

Our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.

我们的高级编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。

Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.

我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。

Special thanks today to Eli Hager, Tom Cartwright, Molly Mitchell, Liz Goss, Adam Cohen, Kathryn Bettis, Alex Guerrero, Sonja West, Kat-- no last name, you know you are-- Andrew Zitcer, Yowei Shaw, Karen Ortiz, Annika Barber, and Public Radio station KCRW in Los Angeles, where I've been recording this week.

今天特别感谢 Eli Hager、Tom Cartwright、Molly Mitchell、Liz Goss、Adam Cohen、Kathryn Bettis、Alex Guerrero、Sonja West、Kat（没有姓氏，你知道的）、Andrew Zitcer、Yowai Shaw、Karen Ortiz、Annika Barber 以及洛杉矶公共广播电台 KCRW（我本周一直在那里录制节目）。

They have been so nice.

他们真是太好了。

Special thanks to Phillip Richards, Sarah Sweeney, and Jennifer Ferro.

特别感谢菲利普·理查兹、莎拉·斯威尼和詹妮弗·费罗。

A quick programming note-- we've been making these bonus episodes every two weeks for months now for our Life Partners.

一个快速的节目说明——几个月来，我们每两周为我们的生活伴侣制作一次这些奖励剧集。

In the most recent one, a former producer named Alex Blumberg begins a little tour of This American Life stories to cover the news stuff.

在最近的一期中，一位名叫亚历克斯·布隆伯格的前制片人开始对《美国生活》故事进行一次小巡演，以报道新闻内容。

I have to say, it's like this weird time capsule of all kinds of feelings and events.

我不得不说，这就像一个奇怪的时间胶囊，里面装满了各种感受和事件。

If you want to hear those or hear the many, many non-news, very fun bonus episodes that we've made, go to thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners.

如果您想听这些或听我们制作的许多很多非新闻但非常有趣的奖励剧集，请访问 thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

You know, that man loves his prop comedy.

你知道，那个男人喜欢他的道具喜剧。

Like, he'll take a red cape and Clark Kent glasses, put them on a slab of sidewalk, and proudly say--

就像，他会拿一件红色斗篷和克拉克·肯特眼镜，把它们放在人行道上，然后自豪地说——

It's not just concrete, it's super concrete.

它不仅仅是混凝土，而且是超级混凝土。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。