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Prologue: Prologue Chana Joffe-Walt From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言：序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Chana Joffe-Walt，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
This all started with a phone call, a call that eventually led to this episode.
这一切都始于一个电话，这个电话最终导致了这一事件。
So that's where I'm going to start.
这就是我要开始的地方。
I was talking to a journalist in Gaza on the phone.
我正在与加沙的一名记者通电话。
Hello?
你好？
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, this is Chana.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 大家好，我是查纳。
Hi.
你好。
How are you?
你好吗？
Chana Joffe-Walt This was back in April.
Chana Joffe-Walt 这是四月份的事了。
I'd been speaking to people in Gaza for months by then, but nobody where Maram was, in the middle area, Deir Balah.
那时我已经和加沙的人们交谈了几个月，但没有人去马拉姆（Maram）所在的中部地区代尔巴拉（Deir Balah）。
Maram Hamaid, she's a reporter for Al Jazeera English.
Maram Hamaid，半岛电视台英语记者。
We were chatting.
我们正在聊天。
I was asking some pretty basic questions about what she was experiencing, what she was seeing, what the day had been like.
我问了一些非常基本的问题，关于她正在经历什么，她看到了什么，这一天过得怎么样。
She got interrupted.
她被打断了。
It was a little bit calm day in Deir Balah.
代尔巴拉的一天有点平静。
You know, like--
你知道，就像——
Who is it, Mom?
妈妈，是谁？
Maram Hamaid So Banias is listening.
马拉姆·哈迈德·索·巴尼亚斯正在听。
I need to introduce Banias to you.
我需要向你介绍巴尼亚斯。
How are you?
你好吗？
Banias I'm fine, thank you.
巴尼亚斯 我很好，谢谢你。
Good.
好的。
Maram and I kept talking-- or trying to.
马拉姆和我一直在说话——或者说试图说话。
And you're in Deir Balah?
你在代尔巴拉吗？
Are you in Deir Balah?
你在代尔巴拉吗？
Now what do I do?
现在我该怎么办？
Maram Hamaid Yeah, we are in Deir Balah--
Maram Hamaid 是的，我们在代尔巴拉——
Mom-- Maram Hamaid --in the central area.
妈妈——Maram Hamaid——在中心区域。
--now what do I do?
——现在我该怎么办？
Chana Joffe-Walt Is that where you're from?
Chana Joffe-Walt 你是从那里来的吗？
Is that where your home is, or did you--
那是你的家吗，还是你——
Uh, no. I'm displaced.
呃，不。我流离失所了。
Chana Joffe-Walt Yeah.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 是的。
And we're living in our relative's home here, with around 80 other family members.
我们和大约 80 名其他家庭成员一起住在我们亲戚的家里。
Yeah.
是的。
Banias It's "ay-dee," not "ay-tee." Not "ay-tee."
巴尼亚斯 这是“ay-dee”，而不是“ay-tee”。不是“哎哟”。
That's a lot of people.
那是很多人。
Maram Hamaid Yeah.
马拉姆·哈迈德 是的。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
Like a big number--
就像一个大数字——
So Banias is correcting me regarding the American accent, OK?
巴尼亚斯正在纠正我的美国口音，好吗？
So she's saying, like, what is it?
所以她说，这是什么？
It's "ay-tee" or "ay-dee"?
是“ay-tee”还是“ay-dee”？
"Ay-dee." "Ay-dee." Does she correct you a lot?
“哎呀。” “哎呀。”她经常纠正你吗？
Yeah!
是的！
A lot, a lot.
很多很多。
She speaks English better than me because I started with her from very young.
她的英语说得比我好，因为我从小就和她一起开始。
Back to me.
回到我身边。
Maram Hamaid I'm here around Banias--
马拉姆·哈迈德 我在巴尼亚斯附近——
Back to me.
回到我身边。
Maram Hamaid Back to me.
马拉姆·哈迈德 回到我身边。
[LAUGHS] Yeah.
[笑]是的。
Does she want to talk?
她想说话吗？
Maram Hamaid Yeah.
马拉姆·哈迈德 是的。
Yeah, I'm pretty ready.
是的，我已经准备好了。
I'm ready, ready.
我准备好了，准备好了。
You're ready, ready.
你准备好了，准备好了。
How old are you, Banias?
你几岁了，巴尼亚斯？
I'm eight years old.
我八岁了。
Chana Joffe-Walt You're eight years old.
Chana Joffe-Walt 你八岁了。
And where did you learn to speak like an American?
你从哪里学会像美国人一样说话？
From Mama.
来自妈妈。
Chana Joffe-Walt Uh-huh.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 嗯嗯。
She speaks to you in English?
她用英语和你说话吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Do you hear that?
你听到了吗？
Do you hear that wee-wee-wee?
你听到那个“呜呜呜”的声音了吗？
I do.
我愿意。
Yeah.
是的。
What is it?
它是什么？
Maram Hamaid So Banias is-- [SIGHS] what is it?
Maram Hamaid So Banias 是——[叹气]那是什么？
It's the whoosh, whoosh, whoosh.
这是嗖嗖，嗖嗖，嗖嗖。
A war plane.
一架战机。
I, of course, hear it, because it never ends.
我当然听到了，因为它永远不会结束。
Banias then takes the phone from her mom-- having told me what they are hearing, begins pointing out what they're seeing, saying, look at this-- as if I can also see, even though we're not on a video call.
然后巴尼亚斯从她妈妈那里接过电话——告诉我他们听到了什么，然后开始指出他们看到了什么，说，看看这个——好像我也能看到，尽管我们没有进行视频通话。
She says, here we have the window, as you can see.
她说，正如你所看到的，我们这里有窗户。
Here's the curtains.
这是窗帘。
There are flowers.
有花。
We don't have any sofas, just-- Mom, how do you say it?
我们没有沙发，只是——妈妈，你怎么说？
Mattresses?
床垫？
Banias Just "may-tresses," as you can see.
巴尼亚斯 正如你所看到的，只是“五月长发”。
We sit sometimes on bed, on the ground.
我们有时坐在床上，有时坐在地上。
Women are covering their heads all the time, as you can see.
正如你所看到的，女性总是遮住头。
[LAUGHS] She couldn't see.
[笑]她看不见。
You should tell her.
你应该告诉她。
Yeah, tell me.
是的，告诉我。
Banias OK.
巴尼亚斯 好的。
Oh, did you see our room?
哦，你看到我们的房间了吗？
No. Banias If you see it, you will-- you will run, run, run, run from this.
不，巴尼亚斯，如果你看到它，你就会——你会跑，跑，跑，跑。
Maram told me later she was so surprised at Banias's performance in this call.
马拉姆后来告诉我，她对巴尼亚斯在这次电话会议中的表现感到非常惊讶。
That was the word she used.
这是她用的词。
Apparently, Banias was marching around with the phone in front of her, telling people, I need the room, please, jumping on the mattress, standing on the table, pointing, saying, here's my brother, Iyas.
显然，巴尼亚斯拿着电话在她面前走来走去，告诉人们，我需要房间，请，跳上床垫，站在桌子上，指着说，这是我的兄弟，伊亚斯。
There he is.
他就在那里。
He's pretty and smart like me.
他和我一样又漂亮又聪明。
Gaza is full of kids.
加沙到处都是孩子。
About half the population is under 18 years old, and about half of that group is under 10 years old, like Banias.
大约一半的人口年龄在 18 岁以下，其中大约一半的人口年龄在 10 岁以下，就像巴尼亚斯一样。
A huge way in which children in this war are different from kids in other war zones is that children in Gaza are not allowed to leave.
这场战争中的儿童与其他战区儿童的一个巨大不同之处在于，加沙的儿童不被允许离开。
They're not displaced to some other spot away from the fighting.
他们并没有流离失所到远离战斗的其他地方。
They're displaced inside Gaza.
他们在加沙境内流离失所。
They're stuck in the violence and stuck with their families, in crowded rooms or tents, doing the things that kids everywhere do, building their inner world, trying to make sense of the world around them.
他们被困在暴力之中，与家人在一起，在拥挤的房间或帐篷里，做着世界各地孩子都会做的事情，建立自己的内心世界，试图理解周围的世界。
I was calling Maram that day to ask about the situation in Deir Balah, and Banias took the phone and said, no, no, no, don't ask her.
那天我打电话给马拉姆询问代尔巴拉的情况，巴尼亚斯接过电话说，不，不，不，不要问她。
Ask me.
问我。
Yeah.
是的。
Banias Not just-- bored, so bored.
巴尼亚斯 不只是——无聊，太无聊了。
I really miss the burgers.
我真的很想念汉堡。
And now we are on canned food.
现在我们吃罐头食品。
We have just the boxes of food, the food boxes.
我们只有食物盒，食物盒。
One day-- I want to tell you something.
有一天——我想告诉你一件事。
Tell me.
告诉我。
Banias One day, when we are sitting in our room talking about something, then boom!
巴尼亚斯 有一天，当我们坐在房间里谈论某件事时，然后轰！
A big bomb broke all of the windows, and the home was shaking.
一颗大炸弹炸碎了所有的窗户，房子摇晃起来。
And my baby brother, Iyas, has got injured in his head.
我的弟弟伊亚斯头部受伤。
We have noticed the glass in his head.
我们注意到他头上的玻璃。
Oof.
钱币。
Is he OK, Banias?
他还好吗，巴尼亚斯？
Banias Yes, now he's all right.
巴尼亚斯：是的，现在他没事了。
We talked for a while and then said goodbye.
我们聊了一会儿，然后就告别了。
That was the end of April.
那是四月底。
And then, in July, I saw Maram's name on my phone.
然后，七月，我在手机上看到了马拉姆的名字。
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt It was Banias.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 这是巴尼亚斯。
She wanted to talk, tell me about her day.
她想跟我谈谈，告诉我她的一天。
Then, another day.
然后，又是一天。
Do you want to talk to me?
你想跟我说话吗？
Chana Joffe-Walt Yeah, sure.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 是的，当然。
What are you doing?
你在干什么？
Through the summer, into the fall, Banias called me, and I called her.
从夏天到秋天，巴尼亚斯都给我打电话，我也给她打电话。
Maram, her mother, gave permission for these phone calls, but it was always just Banias on the line, telling me about herself and her life.
她的母亲马拉姆（Maram）允许我打这些电话，但电话里总是只有巴尼亚斯（Banias），告诉我她自己和她的生活。
I wanted to know what it's like to be a kid in this war.
我想知道作为一个孩子在这场战争中是什么感觉。
And here was this kid who wanted to talk.
这就是这个想要说话的孩子。
Banias was a natural narrator of her own life.
巴尼亚斯是她自己生活的自然叙述者。
She was constantly directing my attention.
她不断地引导我的注意力。
These are my friends.
这些是我的朋友。
This is my school stationery, as you can see.
正如你所看到的，这是我的学校文具。
Do you want to know what we're doing right now?
你想知道我们现在在做什么吗？
I'll tell you.
我告诉你。
Unfortunately for me, she also had zero interest in satisfying my journalistic agenda.
对我来说不幸的是，她对满足我的新闻议程的兴趣也为零。
If I asked Banias a question she was not interested in, she'd yawn dramatically, stage yawn.
如果我问巴尼亚斯一个她不感兴趣的问题，她就会戏剧性地打哈欠。
[YAWNS] It's getting late.
[哈欠] 已经很晚了。
I'm so tired.
我好累。
Let's look over here.
我们看这里。
I had been reading and thinking about what was happening in Gaza all the time, talking to people there.
我一直在阅读和思考加沙正在发生的事情，并与那里的人们交谈。
Every call with Banias was something I hadn't heard that was completely different from when adults tell the story.
与巴尼亚斯的每一次通话都是我从未听过的，与成年人讲述的故事完全不同。
So that is today's episode.
这就是今天的情节。
We're calling it "The Narrator." We're going to listen to this kid in Gaza, a narrator who does not ask permission to narrate.
我们称之为“叙述者”。我们要听这个加沙孩子的讲述，他是一个不经许可就可以叙述的叙述者。
She takes the phone with a soaring confidence that what she has to tell you is interesting and important, and I agree with her.
她接过电话，信心十足，她要告诉你的事情既有趣又重要，我同意她的观点。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
My calls with Banias were sporadic.
我和巴尼亚斯的通话是零星的。
Sometimes we talked once a week.
有时我们一周聊一次。
Sometimes a month would go by.
有时一个月就过去了。
Usually, we talked at the end of the day, her time, while she was sitting on a mattress inside the house, fidgeting.
通常，我们会在一天结束时聊天，也就是她的时间，而她则坐在屋内的床垫上坐立不安。
There were always lots of people and activity in the background, but Banias never explained much about who was there or what they were doing.
背景中总是有很多人和活动，但巴尼亚斯从未解释过谁在那里或他们在做什么。
She told me about what she was doing, what she wanted me to know and sometimes see.
她告诉我她在做什么，她想让我知道什么，有时看到什么。
That's a good look.
看起来不错。
She's in a pink shirt that says "Dream." Huge eyes, dark hair, and pigtails with two loose curls very purposefully framing her face.
她穿着一件粉红色衬衫，上面写着“梦想”。大大的眼睛，深色的头发，辫子和两根松散的卷发非常有目的地勾勒出她的脸。
And you have earrings.
而且你有耳环。
I didn't know you had earrings.
我不知道你有耳环。
Oh, yeah, I do have earrings.
哦，是的，我有耳环。
And this is my blue shorts.
这是我的蓝色短裤。
Yeah.
是的。
Banias And this, this is my head accessory for today.
巴尼亚斯 这是我今天的头饰。
It has rhinestones.
它有水钻。
Yeah, it's beautiful.
是的，很漂亮。
Chana Joffe-Walt When Banias and I first started talking on the phone, my questions were pretty basic.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 当巴尼亚斯和我第一次开始通电话时，我的问题非常基本。
What do you do all day?
你整天都做什么？
She was in a house with 80 people, which is unusual in Gaza right now to live in a house.
她住在一栋有 80 人的房子里，这在加沙现在住在一所房子里是不寻常的。
Most people are in tents or schools or other temporary shelters.
大多数人都在帐篷、学校或其他临时避难所中。
Banias and her mom, dad, and baby brother were on the ground floor of this house, sharing that floor with about 20 relatives.
巴尼亚斯和她的妈妈、爸爸和小弟弟住在这所房子的一楼，与大约 20 名亲戚共用这一层。
There was one bedroom.
有一间卧室。
She slept on a mattress on the floor, alongside her parents, brother, grandpa, uncle, and aunt.
她睡在地板上的床垫上，旁边是她的父母、兄弟、爷爷、叔叔和婶婶。
Everyone else slept in the living area.
其他人都睡在起居区。
If Banias wanted any time in the tiny bathroom, she got up early in the morning.
如果巴尼亚斯想在狭小的浴室里呆上一段时间，她就会一大早就起床。
Then she ate breakfast.
然后她吃了早餐。
And then what?
然后呢？
Today we play school games.
今天我们玩学校游戏。
Chana Joffe-Walt What does that mean?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 这是什么意思？
We're pretending that we're in the school.
我们假装我们在学校里。
I was a student.
我是一名学生。
And one of my friends was the teacher.
我的一位朋友是老师。
Math class.
数学课。
Chana Joffe-Walt OK.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 好的。
And did you write actual math, or is it just pretend?
你写的是真正的数学，还是只是假装的？
It was actual, the plus and the minus and the equal.
这是真实的，正数、负数和相等。
It was actual.
这是真实的。
But it was in a game, not real.
但这是在游戏中，而不是真实的。
At this point, July, Banias had not been in an actual class in an actual school building for nine months.
此时，七月，巴尼亚斯已经九个月没有在真正的校舍里上课了。
But she played school every day with three other girls, two younger and one older.
但她每天都和另外三个女孩一起上学，两个小一个大。
There were other kids in the building, but everyone else was just OK, or a boy, or a baby.
大楼里还有其他孩子，但其他人都还好，或者是男孩，或者是婴儿。
When aid organizations go into other war zones, one of the first things they do for kids is set up schools, because children need a sense of routine and a sense that life is moving forward toward a future.
当援助组织进入其他战区时，他们为孩子们做的第一件事就是建立学校，因为孩子们需要一种常规感和一种生活正在走向未来的感觉。
There's no safe place in Gaza to set up schools like that, so Banias and her friends in the building created that for themselves.
加沙没有安全的地方可以建立这样的学校，所以巴尼亚斯和她在大楼里的朋友们自己创建了这样的学校。
They played school for hours.
他们在学校玩了几个小时。
There were lectures.
有讲座。
There were assignments.
有作业。
There were exams.
有考试。
Who is usually in charge of what you're going to do that day?
通常谁负责您当天要做的事情？
The girl that's older than me.
那个比我大的女孩。
Her name is Dana.
她的名字叫达娜。
How old is Dana?
达纳几岁了？
Banias She is 12 years old.
巴尼亚斯 她今年 12 岁。
And she has an iPad.
她有一台 iPad。
Dana is generous with her iPad.
Dana 很慷慨地使用她的 iPad。
So this is another part of Banias's day-- games on the iPad.
这就是巴尼亚斯一天的另一部分——iPad 上的游戏。
When the war started, her mother's screen time rules went out the window.
战争开始后，她母亲的屏幕时间规则被抛诸脑后。
But also, Israel cut off electricity to Gaza.
而且，以色列还切断了加沙的电力供应。
There's just generators and solar panels, so screen time is limited anyway.
只有发电机和太阳能电池板，所以放映时间无论如何都是有限的。
Oh, a cafe?
哦，咖啡馆？
That's new.
这是新的。
Banias I was the chef.
巴尼亚斯我是厨师。
Yeah.
是的。
And one of my friends was the customer.
我的一位朋友是顾客。
I cooked some salad and some pancake.
我做了一些沙拉和一些煎饼。
Say it one more time?
再说一遍？
Banias I cooked salad and pancake.
巴尼亚斯我做了沙拉和煎饼。
And I made some hamburgers and some pizza.
我做了一些汉堡包和一些披萨。
Banias was re-enacting her old life, where she had teachers and exams and went out to cafes.
巴尼亚斯正在重演她以前的生活，在那里她有老师、考试、去咖啡馆。
There was one they used to go to every Saturday.
他们过去每周六都去那里。
Yeah, it was really close.
是的，非常接近。
It was just in the next street in our house.
它就在我们家的隔壁街道上。
No, but I used to order some noodles and some hot chocolate.
不，但我过去常常点一些面条和一些热巧克力。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
What did you eat in real life today?
现实生活中你今天吃了什么？
Today we have eaten some beans, some white beans.
今天我们吃了一些豆子，一些白豆。
Do you ever get to eat pancakes or noodles or burgers?
你吃过煎饼、面条或汉堡吗？
I hate pancakes and noodles.
我讨厌煎饼和面条。
Chana Joffe-Walt You do?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你知道吗？
Do you believe somebody hates these things?
你相信有人讨厌这些东西吗？
They're so good.
他们太好了。
Banias But I hate them.
巴尼亚斯 但我讨厌他们。
I was never sure what motivated Banias to want to talk to me.
我一直不知道是什么促使巴尼亚斯想要和我说话。
She seemed to like telling me about her day, practicing her English.
她似乎很喜欢向我讲述她的一天，练习她的英语。
She had an ongoing fascination with the time difference between us.
她对我们之间的时差一直很着迷。
She always wanted to check in on that.
她一直想检查一下。
She'd call when she felt annoyed that Dana got to be the teacher that day yet again.
当她因为达纳那天又当老师而感到恼火时，她会打电话。
I am bored of being the student every day.
我厌倦了每天当学生。
I'm the oldest.
我是最年长的。
I should be the teacher.
我应该是老师。
Oof!
钱币！
And she'd call when she was bored.
她无聊的时候就会打电话。
She'd call because I was an adult who would pay attention to her.
她会打电话来，因为我是一个成年人，会关注她。
Banias had to create activity-- interest-- out of such little material.
巴尼亚斯必须用如此少的材料创造活动——兴趣。
Sometimes I got the impression I was there to help with that.
有时我觉得我是来帮忙的。
Like, one night she was on the phone with me, and another phone rang.
就像，有一天晚上她和我打电话，另一部电话响了。
And like a character in a play, she went, oh, look, the phone is ringing.
就像戏剧中的角色一样，她走了，哦，看，电话响了。
[PHONE RINGING] Banias Oh, my God.
[电话铃声]巴尼亚斯哦，我的上帝。
Who's ringing the phone?
谁在打电话？
Get away.
逃离。
Get lost.
迷路。
You're pretty funny, Banias.
你很有趣，巴尼亚斯。
Banias Yes, I'm funny.
巴尼亚斯：是的，我很有趣。
Dana always say for me that I'm a bit funny.
达娜总是替我说我有点有趣。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
You are funny.
你很有趣。
Banias Yes.
巴尼亚斯 是的。
I'm a funny bunny.
我是一只有趣的兔子。
So Banias had her own reasons to call me.
所以巴尼亚斯给我打电话也是有她自己的理由的。
When I called her, it was for different reasons.
当我给她打电话时，出于不同的原因。
I'd call her because I'd read about a bombing campaign or fighting near where she was.
我打电话给她是因为我读到过有关她所在地区附近发生爆炸或战斗的报道。
Was she OK?
她还好吗？
And what was she thinking about all the violence around her?
她对周围的暴力有什么想法？
What is this like for an eight-year-old?
这对于一个八岁的孩子来说是怎样的体验？
In the middle of the summer, there was a series of intense airstrikes near Banias.
仲夏时节，巴尼亚斯附近发生了一系列激烈的空袭。
I was curious if she'd heard them or seen them, but I also wanted to follow her lead and what she wanted to talk about.
我很好奇她是否听到或看到过它们，但我也想跟随她的脚步以及她想谈论的内容。
Yeah?
是的？
Banias Doing good.
巴尼亚斯干得不错。
Last days, we have heard a bit of bombing around us.
最近几天，我们听到周围有一些爆炸声。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Yeah, I've been reading in the news that there's been a lot of bombing.
是的，我在新闻中看到发生了很多爆炸事件。
Is it scary?
可怕吗？
Banias No. For me, no. Me and my friends, we were playing hide-and-seek.
巴尼亚斯 不。对我来说，不。我和我的朋友们，我们正在玩捉迷藏。
We don't ever get bored of it.
我们永远不会对此感到厌倦。
It's our favorite game.
这是我们最喜欢的游戏。
When we are playing, some strange things happens with us.
当我们玩耍时，我们会发生一些奇怪的事情。
I will tell you then.
到时候我会告诉你。
OK, I thought.
好吧，我想。
Here it is.
这里是。
She's about to tell me something big about what it's like to be a kid playing hide-and-seek with bombs going off nearby.
她要告诉我一些大事，关于一个孩子和附近爆炸的炸弹玩捉迷藏的感觉。
Banias told me, so we were playing, and we ran to the backyard.
巴尼亚斯告诉我，我们正在玩耍，然后就跑到了后院。
When we run to the backyard, we see some insects in the ground.
当我们跑到后院时，我们看到地上有一些昆虫。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Banias We said, we see some insects on the ground.
巴尼亚斯 我们说，我们看到地上有一些昆虫。
And me and the kids, we watched it.
我和孩子们，我们观看了它。
That's it.
就是这样。
That's her whole story.
这就是她的全部故事。
The strange thing that happened when they ran outside is they saw insects, a kind of insect they'd never seen before.
当他们跑到外面时发生的奇怪的事情是他们看到了昆虫，一种他们以前从未见过的昆虫。
Not the bombing-- bugs.
不是轰炸——而是虫子。
Children are not known for their sense of scale or the longevity of their attention.
孩子们并不以规模感或注意力的持久性而闻名。
And maybe it wasn't surprising that pretty much every time I asked about the war, Banias didn't really want to engage.
也许这并不奇怪，几乎每次我问及战争时，巴尼亚斯并不想参与其中。
She didn't exactly ignore me, but it didn't seem to be the main thing she was thinking about.
她并没有完全忽视我，但这似乎并不是她考虑的主要事情。
Like, when an airstrike broke the windows in her house, she wanted to tell me about a prank she played on Dana.
就像，当一次空袭打破了她家的窗户时，她想告诉我她对达纳开的一个恶作剧。
In mid-August, when ceasefire negotiations between Israel and Hamas seemed to be unraveling yet again, and all the adults I was talking to in Gaza were deeply dispirited, here was Banias.
八月中旬，当以色列和哈马斯之间的停火谈判似乎再次破裂时，我在加沙采访的所有成年人都深感沮丧，巴尼亚斯就是这样。
Why?
为什么？
Why do you say-- what gives you that idea?
你为什么这么说——是什么让你产生了这个想法？
Mom and Dad tell me.
爸爸妈妈告诉我。
[YAWNS] Chana Joffe-Walt I heard that yawn-- noting it.
[打哈欠] Chana Joffe-Walt 我听到了哈欠——注意到了。
Discussion of the war-- over.
关于战争的讨论——结束了。
There was one moment when Banias was forced to engage.
有那么一刻，巴尼亚斯被迫交战。
She couldn't avoid it.
她无法避免。
Banias's family had been sheltering in Deir Balah for almost a year, when, suddenly, at the end of August, they got an evacuation order.
巴尼亚斯的家人在代尔巴拉避难了近一年，八月底，他们突然收到了疏散令。
Israel posted a map on social media designating certain blocks in Deir Balah unsafe.
以色列在社交媒体上发布了一张地图，指出代尔巴拉的某些街区不安全。
And I saw that Maram, Banias's mother, had written something for Al Jazeera about the order.
我看到巴尼亚斯的母亲马拉姆为半岛电视台写了一些关于该命令的文章。
I had hardly spoken to Maram for months, but I had followed her reporting on bombings and food shortages.
几个月来我几乎没有和马拉姆说过话，但我一直在关注她有关爆炸和食品短缺的报道。
This article, though, was personal.
不过，这篇文章是个人的。
She wrote about her confusion about what to do next.
她写下了她对下一步该做什么的困惑。
"I've never felt so worthless as a human being," she wrote.
“我从来没有觉得自己作为一个人如此毫无价值，”她写道。
"A single Facebook post from an Israeli military spokesperson can upend our lives in an instant.
“以色列军方发言人在 Facebook 上发布的一条帖子就可以瞬间颠覆我们的生活。
Have you ever felt like a toy being played with left and right, east and west, pushed from one place to another, south to Khan Younis, out of Rafah, back to Khan Younis, then to Nuseirat, only to be driven out again?
你是否曾经感觉自己像一个玩具，被左右、东、西玩弄，从一个地方推到另一个地方，向南推到汗尤尼斯，从拉法出来，回到汗尤尼斯，然后到努塞拉特，然后又被赶出去？
People are literally running through the streets like mad, clutching what little they have left.
人们疯狂地在街道上奔跑，抓紧他们所剩无几的东西。
We have nothing left.
我们已经一无所有了。
Our hearts are broken, and our minds are frayed.
我们的心已破碎，我们的思想已磨损。
I look around at the few possessions I've managed to gather over the past 10 months-- a stove, cups, plates, pots, winter clothes, summer clothes, mattresses, blankets, batteries, light bulbs, big bottles of drinking water, tubs to wash clothes in.
我环顾四周，看看我在过去10个月里收集到的几件东西——炉子、杯子、盘子、锅、冬装、夏装、床垫、毯子、电池、灯泡、大瓶饮用水、洗衣服的桶。
If I leave everything, there's no way to replace it.
如果我留下一切，就没有办法取代它。
There are no markets, no supplies, no money to spare.
没有市场，没有供应，没有多余的钱。
We're running and running aimlessly.
我们漫无目的地奔跑着。
People screaming, suffering, and dying while the world watches," end quote.
人们在尖叫、受苦、死亡，而全世界都在注视着”。
And then my phone rang.
然后我的电话响了。
Do you want to talk?
你想说话吗？
Banias Uh, OK.
巴尼亚斯 呃，好的。
Today, we have done a new thing.
今天，我们做了一件新事。
What'd you do?
你做了什么？
Banias We drawed some pictures.
巴尼亚斯 我们画了一些图画。
I imagined that there's a garden, that there's some people walking inside it.
我想象有一个花园，有人在里面散步。
[CHILD CRYING] Stop crying.
[孩子哭]别哭了。
Go in the bedroom.
走进卧室。
OK.
好的。
Banias Oh, my friends were with me, too, drawing.
巴尼亚斯哦，我的朋友们也和我一起画画。
And one of my friends have drawed a plane.
我的一个朋友画了一架飞机。
Like a war plane or a plane you travel in?
比如战机或你乘坐的飞机？
Uh, traveling.
呃，旅行。
Chana Joffe-Walt OK.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 好的。
Do you ever draw anything about the war?
你画过任何有关战争的东西吗？
No, nothing at all.
不，什么都没有。
Chana Joffe-Walt Why not?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 为什么不呢？
Because-- I really can't.
因为——我真的做不到。
Chana Joffe-Walt Why?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 为什么？
I feel mad of this things.
我对这些事情感到生气。
I can draw them.
我可以画它们。
But I don't like a war plane, a helicopter, and rockets.
但我不喜欢战机、直升机和火箭。
I don't like that.
我不喜欢这样。
There's lots of things here I feel mad from it.
这里有很多事情让我感到生气。
My friends always make me mad from things.
我的朋友总是因为一些事情而让我生气。
Sometimes I don't want anybody to enter this room.
有时我不想让任何人进入这个房间。
Get out.
出去。
Mom!
妈妈！
OK.
好的。
OK.
好的。
Banias I was saying they always attack me.
巴尼亚斯 我是说他们总是攻击我。
I was eager to ask Banias about the news of the evacuation, but what she wanted to talk about was a fight she had that day with another kid in the building, a girl.
我很想向巴尼亚斯询问疏散的消息，但她想说的是那天她与大楼里的另一个孩子（一个女孩）打架。
Banias calls her "the girl with the bad personality." That girl told Banias today that one of her pictures was no good.
巴尼亚斯称她为“性格恶劣的女孩”。那个女孩今天告诉巴尼亚斯，她的一张照片不好。
She have a really bad personality.
她的性格真的很不好。
I said for her, are you looking for a fight, in our language.
我用我们的语言对她说，你是想打架吗？
[LAUGHS] Banias And we fighted all day.
[笑]巴尼亚斯 我们打了一整天。
She's the most bad friend.
她是最坏的朋友。
Did she not know about the evacuation order?
难道她不知道疏散令吗？
She must, right?
她一定是吧？
I didn't want to scare her.
我不想吓到她。
Banias, I saw your mom wrote about people leaving Deir Balah.
巴尼亚斯，我看到你妈妈写了关于人们离开代尔巴拉的文章。
But we will go to Al-Zawayda, to our relatives.
但我们会去扎维达，去见我们的亲戚。
I think it was a good idea.
我认为这是个好主意。
We're packing our clothes and our-- wait for a minute.
我们正在收拾我们的衣服和我们的——等一下。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Oh, and we're packing also our mattresses and our money.
[非英语语音] 哦，我们还打包了床垫和钱。
Where will you sleep if you pack your mattress?
如果你收拾好床垫，你会睡在哪里？
Um, in the tent.
嗯，在帐篷里。
Our relatives live in a home.
我们的亲戚住在一个家里。
But we will make a camp next to them.
但我们会在他们旁边扎营。
But I want to try.
但我想尝试一下。
I think it will be something creative.
我认为这将是一些有创意的事情。
Are you scared to move, to leave your friends or to leave your house?
您是否害怕搬家、离开朋友或离开家？
I'm ready to leave them.
我已经准备好离开他们了。
Chana Joffe-Walt You are?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你是？
[CHUCKLES]
[笑声]
I'm not ready for more fights.
我还没有准备好进行更多的战斗。
I want to leave them.
我想离开他们。
Today, I told one of my friends that I will leave.
今天，我告诉我的一位朋友我要离开。
I've told everybody.
我已经告诉大家了。
Why?
为什么？
Banias Because she is a drama girl.
巴尼亚斯因为她是一个戏剧女孩。
Don't leave.
不要离开。
That's everything.
这就是一切。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Banias Don't leave this house.
巴尼亚斯 别离开这所房子。
We want more fights.
我们想要更多的战斗。
Banias was ready to leave because it meant she could get away from the girl with the bad personality.
巴尼亚斯准备离开，因为这样她就可以远离这个性格不好的女孩了。
Almost a million kids in Gaza have made a move like this since Israel invaded, many of them multiple times.
自以色列入侵以来，加沙近百万儿童已经做出了类似的举动，其中许多人多次做出了这样的举动。
So it was interesting to hear how a child was thinking about it.
所以听听孩子是如何思考这个问题是很有趣的。
Banias was ready to flee the home she'd lived in for 10 months at that point, to move into a tent because she got into a fight with an annoying girl that day, because that is what just happened-- and because Banias is eight.
巴尼亚斯当时准备逃离她住了 10 个月的家，搬进帐篷，因为那天她和一个烦人的女孩打架了，因为那是刚刚发生的事情——而且因为巴尼亚斯已经八岁了。
She told me her friend Dana is leaving, too.
她告诉我她的朋友达纳也要离开。
She is going to Al Mawasi.
她要去阿尔马瓦西。
But me, I will go to Zawayda, me and my family.
但我，我和我的家人会去扎维达。
Yeah, our relatives are there.
是的，我们的亲戚在那里。
When the Israeli army tell us to move, we'll move to Al Zawayda.
当以色列军队告诉我们转移时，我们将转移到扎维达。
OK.
好的。
Maram Hamaid [INAUDIBLE] crying and he was praying.
Maram Hamaid [听不清] 一边哭一边祈祷。
Mom, let that a secret!
妈妈，保密吧！
Maram Hamaid No, it's not a secret.
Maram Hamaid 不，这不是秘密。
You have to express yourself.
你必须表达自己。
I'm fine, I'm fine.
我很好，我很好。
Chana Joffe-Walt What does your mom think is a secret?
Chana Joffe-Walt 你妈妈认为什么是秘密？
Uh-- a family secret.
呃——一个家庭秘密。
No. No. I will not give you the mobile.
不，不，我不会给你手机。
I want to talk to her myself.
我想亲自和她谈谈。
No, [INAUDIBLE].
不，[听不清]。
No, no.
不，不。
No, no!
不，不！
Let that away!
把它放开吧！
Let that away!
把它放开吧！
Let that away!
把它放开吧！
I was just-- Banias No, no!
我只是——巴尼亚斯 不，不！
Let that away.
把它放开吧。
--I just heard her-- Banias Please, please!
--我刚刚听到她的声音-- 巴尼亚斯 拜托，拜托！
Your-- Maram Hamaid So Banias was crying.
你的——马拉姆·哈迈德·索·巴尼亚斯在哭。
No!
不！
Can you keep that away?
你能把它拿开吗？
Maram Hamaid It's normal.
马拉姆·哈迈德 这很正常。
This is normal.
这是正常的。
Banias I don't want to let anybody know that I was-- I wasn't!
巴尼亚斯，我不想让任何人知道我是——我不是！
So she was afraid.
所以她害怕。
She was nervous.
她很紧张。
And she went into--
然后她进入——
I was not afraid!
我没有害怕！
Maram Hamaid --a circle--
马拉姆·哈迈德——一个圆圈——
I was not nervous!
我并不紧张！
Maram Hamaid --of feeling sad and feeling nervous--
Maram Hamaid——感到悲伤和紧张——
[INAUDIBLE] Keep that away!
[听不清] 把它拿开！
Maram Hamaid --very afraid of what is going on.
Maram Hamaid——非常害怕正在发生的事情。
And I just surprisingly heard her saying that I'm not.
我只是惊讶地听到她说我不是。
Let that away!
把它放开吧！
Maram Hamaid I didn't feel afraid.
Maram Hamaid 我并不感到害怕。
Let that away!
把它放开吧！
Chana Joffe-Walt Why?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 为什么？
Why does she not want to talk about that?
为什么她不想谈论这个？
And she's now saying that it's a secret.
她现在说这是一个秘密。
Like, she doesn't want to recall some horrific memories for her, or like she got over the feeling of being afraid.
就像，她不想为自己回忆起一些可怕的记忆，或者就像她已经克服了害怕的感觉。
When did she find out you were evacuating?
她什么时候知道你要撤离？
Hallas, she believes you.
哈拉斯，她相信你。
She believes you.
她相信你。
She believes you.
她相信你。
I know.
我知道。
Like, you're a brave girl.
就像，你是一个勇敢的女孩。
Like, you can get over anything.
就像，你可以克服任何事情。
But I'm telling you, Banias.
但我告诉你，巴尼亚斯。
It's not a shame.
这并不丢人。
It's not a shameful thing to feel afraid that you're scared and you're afraid of something like this.
感到害怕并不是一件可耻的事情，因为你害怕并且你害怕这样的事情。
Yeah?
是的？
So--
所以 -
So-- Maram Hamaid --right?
那么——Maram Hamaid——对吧？
It's normal.
这很正常。
You should be scared.
你应该感到害怕。
Yeah, this is very normal.
是的，这很正常。
I was not-- Maram Hamaid And do what I can.
我不是——Maram Hamaid 并且尽我所能。
--scared!
- 害怕的！
Maram Hamaid OK, Mama, you are hallas.
Maram Hamaid 好吧，妈妈，你是哈拉。
You are afraid to say what you want.
你害怕说出你想说的话。
But I want to just to clarify this point.
但我只想澄清这一点。
[LAUGHS] You were crying like crazy upon hearing the news.
[笑]听到这个消息你哭得很厉害。
And I'm telling her, like I totally understand her feelings.
我告诉她，就像我完全理解她的感受一样。
When did that happen, Maram?
那是什么时候发生的，马拉姆？
When did you tell her?
你什么时候告诉她的？
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊。
Very recent, you know?
最近的事，你知道吗？
Very recent.
最近。
We got the news suddenly.
我们突然得到这个消息。
[LAUGHS] I was really laughing when I heard her trying to show a perfectionist reaction and so positive.
[笑]当我听到她试图表现出完美主义的反应并且如此积极时，我真的笑了。
She was very positive.
她非常积极。
But it was totally the opposite, you know?
但事实完全相反，你知道吗？
Just, like, two hours, less than two hours, she was hiding behind the curtain, crying and like crazy.
就好像，两个小时，不到两个小时，她就躲在窗帘后面，哭得发疯。
And she continued this cycle.
她继续这个循环。
And then we find it's really hard.
然后我们发现这真的很难。
I almost couldn't bear hearing this.
我几乎无法忍受听到这个。
Banias's visceral, immediate panic was so uncomfortable, hearing her mother pierce the carefully constructed artifice she'd presented to me.
当巴尼亚斯听到她母亲刺穿她向我展示的精心构造的诡计时，巴尼亚斯内心深处的立即恐慌是如此不舒服。
And it was disorienting.
这让人迷失方向。
It made me think of all the things I didn't know.
这让我想起了所有我不知道的事情。
Does she want to talk again?
她还想再说话吗？
Maram Hamaid Yeah, yeah.
马拉姆·哈迈德 是的，是的。
She's here.
她在这里。
She's here.
她在这里。
OK.
好的。
Maram Hamaid [INAUDIBLE] come and [INAUDIBLE]
Maram Hamaid [听不清] 过来[听不清]
Hi.
嗨。
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你好。
How come you didn't want me to know that you were upset?
你为什么不想让我知道你不高兴？
I'm not upset.
我没有不高兴。
Chana Joffe-Walt You're not upset.
Chana Joffe-Walt 你没有不高兴。
Do you want to talk about that or no?
你想谈这个还是不想谈？
Not yet.
还没有。
Chana Joffe-Walt Is there anything else you want to tell me about how you're doing?
Chana Joffe-Walt 关于你的近况，你还有什么要告诉我的吗？
I'm already so sleepy.
我已经很困了。
Chana Joffe-Walt Yeah, it's late.
Chana Joffe-Walt 是的，已经晚了。
So I hope you have an easy night, Banias.
所以我希望你度过一个轻松的夜晚，巴尼亚斯。
I hope so.
我希望如此。
Chana Joffe-Walt An incomplete list of things Banias does not have control over-- can she go home?
查娜·乔菲-沃尔特 一份不完整的清单，列出了巴尼亚斯无法控制的事情——她能回家吗？
No. Is there food?
没有，有吃的吗？
Not enough.
不够。
Is there school?
有学校吗？
No. Is there safety here?
不，这里安全吗？
No. Banias lives in what has become the most dangerous place in the world to be a child.
不。巴尼亚斯生活的地方对于儿童来说已经成为世界上最危险的地方。
Disease in Gaza is widespread.
加沙的疾病十分普遍。
Children face acute malnutrition.
儿童面临严重营养不良。
Kids are getting horrible skin infections.
孩子们正在遭受可怕的皮肤感染。
Polio has reappeared in a 10-month-old baby.
脊髓灰质炎再次出现在一名 10 个月大的婴儿身上。
Children are losing their limbs, their parents, and they are being killed, constantly.
孩子们不断失去四肢、父母，并不断被杀害。
More than 13,000 children have been killed so far, including at least 710 babies, some of them born and then killed since the war began.
迄今为止，已有超过 13,000 名儿童被杀害，其中包括至少 710 名婴儿，其中一些婴儿是在战争开始后出生并被杀害的。
Maram told me Banias has seen dead children.
马拉姆告诉我巴尼亚斯见过死去的孩子。
She's seen their small bodies wrapped in white cloth by the hospital.
她在医院看到过他们小小的尸体被白布包裹着。
I asked Maram later, what do you think Banias gets out of talking to me?
后来我问马拉姆，你认为巴尼亚斯从和我谈话中得到什么？
She told me, you're a bubble for her.
她告诉我，你对她来说就是一个泡沫。
Every time you call, she treats it like an important meeting, tries to find a private space away from all of us.
每次你打电话，她都把它当作一次重要的会议，试图找到一个远离我们所有人的私人空间。
Everyone around Banias is in the midst of this chaos, she said.
她说，巴尼亚斯周围的每个人都处于这种混乱之中。
You're not here.
你不在这里。
You're not experiencing any of this.
你没有经历过这些。
Banias was telling me a version of life where she has ultimate authority, where she gets to be the narrator.
巴尼亚斯告诉我一个生活版本，她拥有最终的权威，她成为叙述者。
Who doesn't want that?
谁不想要这样？
I was coming to her to understand the war, but she was coming to me to not talk about the war, until one day, she did.
我来找她是为了了解战争，但她来找我并不是要谈论战争，直到有一天，她这么做了。
That's coming up from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，这是从芝加哥公共广播电台传来的。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
Our show today, "The Narrator," an eight-year-old in Gaza, tells us about her life in the middle of a war.
我们今天的节目“叙述者”是一位加沙的八岁女孩，向我们讲述她在战争中的生活。
This war started in 2023.
这场战争始于2023年。
Hamas attacked Israel, killed about 1,200 people, and took 251 people hostage.
哈马斯袭击以色列，杀害约1200人，并劫持251人为人质。
Since then, Israel has launched a 14-month ground invasion and bombing campaign in Gaza.
此后，以色列对加沙发动了长达14个月的地面入侵和轰炸行动。
More than 44,000 Palestinians have been killed, and more than 13,000 of those dead are children.
超过 44,000 名巴勒斯坦人被杀害，其中 13,000 多名死者是儿童。
Banias and her family never moved into a tent.
巴尼亚斯和她的家人从未搬进帐篷。
After the Israeli army issued that evacuation order for Deir Balah, her parents agonized over when and if they should flee for days.
以色列军队向代尔巴拉发出疏散令后，她的父母连续几天都在为何时以及是否应该逃离而苦恼。
The dangers of moving into a tent could be worse than tanks outside their house.
搬进帐篷的危险可能比屋外的坦克还要严重。
They decided to stay put.
他们决定留在原地。
It was early October.
那是十月初。
The family was coming up on a year of war and displacement, and Banias had an announcement.
这个家庭即将迎来一年的战争和流离失所，巴尼亚斯宣布了这一消息。
The war stopped.
战争停止了。
The war stopped.
战争停止了。
Do you know, the war stopped?
你知道吗，战争已经停止了？
Yesterday, there was no bombing or fighting?
昨天没有发生爆炸或战斗吗？
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
Banias Because our house was bombed.
巴尼亚斯 因为我们的房子被炸了。
Your house was bombed?
你家被炸了？
Banias Yeah.
巴尼亚斯 是的。
Just kidding.
只是在开玩笑。
But there was good news yesterday.
但昨天却传来了好消息。
Yesterday, tonight, it was-- wee!
昨天，今晚，是——哎呀！
We had a party.
我们举办了一个聚会。
There was very, very good news.
有非常非常好的消息。
What was the good news?
什么是好消息？
Banias Oh.
巴尼亚斯哦。
Um-- we have killed all of them.
嗯——我们已经把他们都杀了。
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
Who did you kill all of?
你把谁都杀了？
Not all of them-- thousands and thousands and thousands of them!
不是全部——成千上万的！
But I can't remember who.
但我不记得是谁了。
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
Thousands and thousands.
成千上万。
We killed thousands, thousands, thousands.
我们杀死了数千人、数千人、数千人。
I realized as we were talking, this was October 2.
当我们谈话时我意识到这是 10 月 2 日。
The day before, Iran had launched 180 missiles at Israel.
此前一天，伊朗向以色列发射了180枚导弹。
That was-- Banias Yes, that was yesterday.
那是——巴尼亚斯 是的，那是昨天。
Yesterday, we had a party for that.
昨天，我们为此举办了一场聚会。
We bring coffee, make juice.
我们带咖啡，做果汁。
Oh!
哦！
Kay-yef-nah.
凯-耶夫-纳。
What's "kay-yef-nah" mean?
“ka-yef-nah”是什么意思？
Banias That means "we had a good time" in Arabic.
Banias 在阿拉伯语中的意思是“我们玩得很开心”。
Banias, you're talking about the missiles yesterday to the Israelis?
巴尼亚斯，你是在谈论昨天向以色列人发射的导弹吗？
Yes.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt How did you feel about that?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特（Chana Joffe-Walt）对此有何感想？
It was-- whoa!
那是——哇！
It was very good.
非常好。
[NON-ENGLISH]
[非英语]
This threw me, hearing Banias talk about killing Israelis.
听到巴尼亚斯谈论杀害以色列人，这让我很震惊。
No Israelis were killed from these missiles.
这些导弹没有造成以色列人死亡。
One Palestinian man was, near Jericho.
一名巴勒斯坦男子在杰里科附近。
It's one of those empty truisms about war, that kids in a war learn to hate the other side, a true thing about war that also can feel a little abstract.
这是关于战争的空洞的老生常谈之一，战争中的孩子们学会仇恨另一方，这是关于战争的真实情况，但也可能感觉有点抽象。
But here it was, showing up, randomly folded into the rest of Banias's narration to her playing with me, messing with me, that the home she was sheltering in was bombed-- which it could have been, but wasn't.
但在这里，它出现了，随机地融入到巴尼亚斯对她玩弄我、逗弄我的叙述的其余部分中，她避难的家被轰炸了——这本来是可能的，但事实并非如此。
I asked Maram if I could talk with her about this day.
我问马拉姆我是否可以和她谈谈这一天。
I told her what Banias had told me.
我告诉她巴尼亚斯告诉我的话。
What was happening that day?
那天发生了什么？
Maram Hamaid Yeah, actually, on that day, it was a huge surprise, actually.
Maram Hamaid 是的，事实上，那天，这确实是一个巨大的惊喜。
Suddenly, we were at home, and we heard the sounds of cheer and people around us cheering and chanting.
突然，我们回到家了，我们听到了欢呼声，周围的人欢呼雀跃。
The internet was cut.
互联网被切断了。
And I thought from the first instance that there was a ceasefire or something like this.
我从一开始就认为存在停火或类似的事情。
The war ended, you know?
战争结束了，你知道吗？
So people around us started to say that Iran is bombing Israel right now.
所以我们周围的人开始说伊朗现在正在轰炸以色列。
And we could see the lights of the missiles being sent to Israel, in the sky.
我们可以在天空中看到发射到以色列的导弹的灯光。
And people around us are just cheering and celebrating and clapping.
我们周围的人只是欢呼、庆祝和鼓掌。
I was in emotion.
我心情激动。
I was very emotional.
我的心情非常激动。
I really cried.
我真的哭了。
I felt like, oh, my God, really?
我感觉，哦，天哪，真的吗？
Someone who's trying just to stop Israel, and to say that by the missiles and by the rockets, the same language that Israel understands and uses in Gaza throughout the years.
有人试图阻止以色列，并说通过导弹和火箭，这是以色列多年来在加沙理解和使用的同一种语言。
Were you celebrating?
你在庆祝吗？
Were you guys celebrating?
你们庆祝了吗？
I didn't.
我没有。
We were just like excited.
我们很兴奋。
We stayed home because maybe missiles could drop by mistake on us.
我们呆在家里，因为也许导弹会误落到我们身上。
We were just trying to follow up the news.
我们只是想跟进消息。
Maram told me she does not tell Banias to hate Israel or celebrate when Israel is attacked.
马拉姆告诉我，她并没有告诉巴尼亚斯仇恨以色列或在以色列受到攻击时庆祝。
Banias's dad, she says, also doesn't do this.
她说，巴尼亚斯的父亲也不这样做。
But Maram was not surprised to hear Banias was saying this.
但马拉姆听到巴尼亚斯这么说并不感到惊讶。
She remembers feeling the same way when she was a kid growing up in Gaza.
她记得小时候在加沙长大时也有同样的感觉。
Maram was 10 years old when she first experienced Israeli bombing after the Second Intifada broke out.
第二次起义爆发后，马拉姆第一次经历以色列轰炸时只有 10 岁。
She remembers crying when she saw her first dead body and collapsing when she saw footage of a 12-year-old Palestinian kid, Mohammed al-Durrah, killed while hiding next to his father.
她记得当她看到第一具尸体时哭了，当她看到 12 岁的巴勒斯坦孩子穆罕默德·杜拉 (Mohammed al-Durrah) 躲在父亲身边时被杀的镜头时，她崩溃了。
Banias was born in 2016.
巴尼亚斯出生于 2016 年。
Her first war was when she was four years old.
她的第一次战争是在她四岁时。
I totally understand that she herself, as a Palestinian kid, she views Israel as an enemy, an enemy that bombs us, that kills us, that targets us.
我完全理解她本人，作为一个巴勒斯坦孩子，她将以色列视为敌人，一个轰炸我们、杀害我们、瞄准我们的敌人。
There's something I've been thinking about when it comes to kids in wars, but kids in Gaza in particular.
当谈到战争中的孩子时，我一直在思考一些事情，特别是加沙的孩子。
It's something a psychologist told me, Dr. Iman Farajallah, who studies the effect of war and occupation on Palestinian kids.
这是一位心理学家伊曼·法拉贾拉博士告诉我的，他研究战争和占领对巴勒斯坦儿童的影响。
She told me it really gets under her skin when people at the UN or healthcare professionals or whatever say kids in Gaza are suffering from PTSD.
她告诉我，当联合国的人或医疗保健专业人员或其他人说加沙的孩子患有创伤后应激障碍时，她真的很恼火。
Post-traumatic stress means the traumatic event is over.
创伤后应激意味着创伤事件已经结束。
For kids in Gaza, the trauma is continuous.
对于加沙的孩子来说，创伤是持续的。
There is no post.
没有帖子。
There's no opportunity for recovery.
没有康复的机会了。
Instead, there is just coping.
相反，只有应对。
Dr. Farajallah says, you'll see kids cope in all different ways.
法拉贾拉博士说，你会看到孩子们以各种不同的方式应对。
Some kids act out.
有些孩子表现得很出来。
Some can't leave their parents' side.
有些人离不开父母的陪伴。
Other kids get obsessed with soccer or drawing.
其他孩子则沉迷于足球或绘画。
Or children try to shape their world in other ways.
或者孩子们尝试用其他方式塑造他们的世界。
For instance, Maram told me when Banias was six years old, there was an Israeli military operation in Gaza, lots of fighting.
例如，马拉姆告诉我，巴尼亚斯六岁时，以色列在加沙进行军事行动，发生了很多战斗。
And Banias was sitting on the window, watching ambulances rush people to the hospital, blowing bubbles out the window.
巴尼亚斯坐在窗边，看着救护车将人们送往医院，向窗外吹着泡泡。
Maram asked her, what are you doing?
马拉姆问她，你在做什么？
And Banias said, I'm trying to change the mood.
巴尼亚斯说，我正在努力改变心情。
I know Banias.
我认识巴尼亚斯。
She is an optimistic one.
她是一个乐观的人。
She's someone who's positive.
她是一个积极向上的人。
And she doesn't even want to share her negative thoughts with others--
她甚至不愿意与别人分享她的负面想法——
Hello?
你好？
Maram Hamaid --even when she's fearful.
马拉姆·哈迈德——即使她很害怕。
Like--
就像——
Hello?
你好？
Maram Hamaid This is my space, Banias.
Maram Hamaid 这是我的空间，Banias。
Please go away.
请走开。
No!
不！
Maram Hamaid I'm talking.
我是马拉姆·哈迈德。
She's someone who loves life and loves to play and loves to--
她是一个热爱生活、热爱玩耍、热爱——
It's almost like she's willing it.
几乎就像她自愿的一样。
She's willing-- She's using all of her force to will life into being easier than it is.
她愿意——她正在用她所有的力量让生活变得比现在更容易。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
And she always trying to change the mood for the people to make them feel optimistic.
她总是试图改变人们的情绪，让他们感到乐观。
Hi.
你好。
Hi, Chana.
嗨，查娜。
How are you?
你好吗？
Chana Joffe-Walt That was basically the end of my conversation with Maram.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 我和马拉姆的谈话基本上就结束了。
As she did the first time around, Banias decided it was time for us to move on.
正如她第一次所做的那样，巴尼亚斯决定我们是时候继续前进了。
My calls with Banias have grown more infrequent.
我和巴尼亚斯的通话越来越少了。
The last time she called, I was in my office heading into a meeting.
上次她打电话时，我正在办公室准备开会。
I was going to just say a quick hello, make sure she was OK.
我只是简单地打个招呼，确保她没事。
Hello?
你好？
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, Banias.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 嗨，巴尼亚斯。
How are you?
你好吗？
Are you calling me on video?
你在视频里给我打电话吗？
Banias Yes, I am.
巴尼亚斯 是的，我是。
Hi.
你好。
I'm watching a film.
我正在看电影。
Do you want to see?
你想看吗？
It's called Home Alone.
它的名字叫《小鬼当家》。
I do.
我愿意。
Banias I love it.
巴尼亚斯 我喜欢它。
Would you like to watch with me?
你愿意和我一起看吗？
Would you like to watch?
你想看吗？
I paused, looked at my watch, saw my coworkers heading to the meeting room, and decided to go ahead with her agenda.
我停下来，看了看手表，看到我的同事正前往会议室，于是决定继续她的议程。
Oh, let's see it together.
哦，我们一起来看看吧。
Chana Joffe-Walt OK, for a few minutes.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 好的，请几分钟。
Oh.
哦。
Oh, my God.
我的天啊。
I want to cover myself.
我想掩饰自己。
It's so cold here.
这里好冷。
Oh.
哦。
OK.
好的。
Oh, my God.
我的天啊。
I'm here.
我在这儿。
OK.
好的。
She's under the covers with her phone and her laptop in purple pajamas.
她穿着紫色睡衣，躲在被子里，拿着手机和笔记本电脑。
She's sitting on her mattress on the floor.
她坐在地板上的床垫上。
And she's pointing the phone at her screen, so we can watch together.
她将手机对准屏幕，这样我们就可以一起观看。
Of course, Banias is a vocal movie watcher.
当然，巴尼亚斯是一位有声有色的电影观众。
Who is he?
他是谁？
Chana Joffe-Walt She has a running commentary on the characters, repeats English words that are new to her, explains the movie.
查娜·乔菲-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 解释说，她对角色有连续的评论，重复她不熟悉的英语单词。
He's now skating on the ice.
他现在正在冰上滑冰。
They leave him alone.
他们让他一个人呆着。
But he's happy, happy.
但他很幸福，很幸福。
Yes!
是的！
I'm free!
我自由了！
Chana Joffe-Walt You would?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你愿意吗？
I will shout in the home, I'm free!
我会在家里大喊，我自由了！
I'm free!
我自由了！
[LAUGHS] Man We're the Wet Bandits.
[笑]伙计，我们是湿透的强盗。
You're sick.
你病了。
You know that?
你知道吗？
Really silly!
真是傻啊！
Really silly.
真的很傻。
Man That's it!
男人就是这样！
That's a sick thing to say!
说这种话真是病态啊！
McCaulley Caulkin-- who I'd forgotten is also eight years old in this movie-- is walking home, crosses a driveway, just as the two burglars, Joe Pesci and the other guy, pull out in their van, screech to a halt, and McCaulley Caulkin does his blonde surprise face.
麦考利·考尔金——我忘了他在这部电影中也只有八岁——正走回家，穿过车道，这时两个窃贼，乔·佩西和另一个人，开着他们的货车，突然停下来，麦考利·考尔金做出了他那金发惊讶的表情。
Hey, hey!
嘿嘿！
You gotta watch out for traffic, son, you know?
你得注意交通，孩子，知道吗？
Sorry.
对不起。
Man 2 Santa don't visit the funeral home, little buddy.
Man 2 圣诞老人不要去殡仪馆，小伙子。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
Merry Christmas.
圣诞快乐。
Banias I do like the Christmas design.
Banias 我确实喜欢圣诞节的设计。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Banias I really like this movie.
巴尼亚斯我真的很喜欢这部电影。
And when they travel to New York-- oh, where do you live?
当他们去纽约旅行时——哦，你住在哪里？
I live in New York.
我住在纽约。
That's where I live.
那就是我住的地方。
In the New York?
在纽约？
Chana Joffe-Walt Mm-hmm.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 嗯嗯。
Yes.
是的。
Kevin's family travels there last time.
凯文的家人上次去那里旅行。
You live in New York?
你住在纽约吗？
Mm-hmm, I do.
嗯嗯，我愿意。
Banias Oh, I want to tell you something.
巴尼亚斯哦，我想告诉你一件事。
What about this statue that you have?
你手上的这个雕像怎么样？
The Statue of Liberty?
自由女神像？
Banias Yes!
巴尼亚斯 是的！
It's in New York.
这是在纽约。
Yeah.
是的。
Banias You see it?
巴尼亚斯 你看到了吗？
I want to see it!
我想看看！
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
I don't see it right now, but I see it-- I see it pretty often.
我现在没有看到它，但我看到了——我经常看到它。
When you are out of your house, you see it?
当你走出家门时，你看到了吗？
--when I go to work, sometimes I can see it.
——当我上班的时候，有时我能看到它。
Oh, I want to go to work with you to see it.
哦，我想和你一起去上班看看。
I'd love to.
我喜欢。
Banias, the houses there in that part of the movie, does it look anything like Gaza?
巴尼亚斯，电影那部分的房子，看起来像加沙吗？
No. Chana Joffe-Walt How is it different?
不。Chana Joffe-Walt 有什么不同吗？
No. Gaza is more beautiful.
不，加沙更美丽。
Chana Joffe-Walt Even now?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 即使是现在？
Two days earlier, Israeli airstrikes hit Al Aqsa Hospital in Deir Balah, right near Banias's apartment.
两天前，以色列空袭了代尔巴拉的阿克萨医院，就在巴尼亚斯的公寓附近。
The hospital was surrounded by tents filled with displaced people sleeping.
医院周围都是帐篷，里面睡着流离失所者。
The airstrikes caused a fire that ripped through those tents.
空袭引发大火，烧毁了这些帐篷。
I'd seen Maram sharing images and videos of people sleeping in the tents burned alive.
我看到马拉姆分享了睡在帐篷里的人们被活活烧死的图片和视频。
I wondered if Banias had seen those images, but I didn't ask.
我想知道巴尼亚斯是否看过那些图像，但我没有问。
Instead, we watched this Christmas movie.
相反，我们观看了这部圣诞电影。
We watched Kevin trick the burglars into thinking his family is home by staging a fake party in his house.
我们看到凯文在他的房子里举办了一场假派对，欺骗窃贼以为他的家人在家。
Any war is a series of plot points.
任何战争都是一系列情节点。
Even in an ongoing war, a never-ending and no-longer-new war, we track its progress by the worst moments.
即使在一场持续不断的战争中，一场永无止境且不再是新的战争，我们也会通过最糟糕的时刻来追踪其进展。
I kept calling Banias with this expectation, waiting for the story of the war as I was understanding it, to somehow intersect with her life as she was experiencing it.
我带着这样的期望不断给巴尼亚斯打电话，等待我所理解的战争故事，以某种方式与她正在经历的生活相交集。
I kept imagining, dreading, that one of those moments will break through, that something bad will happen to Banias.
我一直想象着，害怕着，那些时刻之一将会突破，巴尼亚斯将会发生一些不好的事情。
One of those horrible plot points will become her plot point.
这些可怕的情节点之一将成为她的情节点。
But something bad is happening to Banias.
但巴尼亚斯身上发生了一些不好的事情。
This is the plot point for her.
这就是她的情节点。
She's sitting under the covers with no electricity, no heat, winter approaching.
她坐在被窝里，没有电，没有暖气，冬天即将来临。
Banias has not been in school for over a year.
巴尼亚斯已经一年多没有上学了。
She has no home.
她没有家。
She has a cough, and there is no medicine.
她咳嗽，没有药。
Her friends have scattered.
她的朋友们都散了。
Some of them are dead.
他们中的一些人已经死了。
Her relatives are all over.
她的亲戚都完了。
Some of them are dead.
他们中的一些人已经死了。
She's eating canned beans, instead of burgers.
她吃的是罐装豆子，而不是汉堡。
She's finding glass in her brother's head.
她在她哥哥的脑袋里发现了玻璃。
This is her life.
这就是她的生活。
This is the story she has to narrate.
这就是她要讲述的故事。
Do you want to see where he will go?
你想看看他会去哪里吗？
I don't know exactly where he will go.
我不知道他具体会去哪里。
OK, Banias, I'm going to go.
好的，巴尼亚斯，我要走了。
Banias Oh?
巴尼亚斯哦？
Do you want to leave?
你想离开吗？
I want to continue this movie and then go to sleep.
我想继续看这部电影，然后去睡觉。
Yes, I am.
我是。
We have a couple minutes left in this episode, and I have a small update.
本集还剩几分钟，我有一个小更新。
Recently, Banias's family moved-- not far-- an apartment a couple miles from Deir Balah, where they've been staying.
最近，巴尼亚斯的家人搬到了距离他们居住的代尔巴拉几英里的不远的一套公寓。
The new place is less crowded.
新地方人少了。
There's more privacy for her family.
她的家人有更多的隐私。
It has trees outside and a refrigerator-- that doesn't work, but still.
外面有树，还有一台冰箱——虽然不能用，但仍然可以。
The apartment is quiet, temporary.
公寓很安静，是暂时的。
And it's not home.
而且这里不是家。
Banias knows she can't go home to the north of Gaza, where she's from.
巴尼亚斯知道她无法回到她的家乡加沙北部的家。
She knows her home was destroyed.
她知道她的家被毁了。
She's seen pictures of her neighborhood exploded, on fire.
她见过她家附近爆炸、着火的照片。
And she's seen video of the empty space where her house was, the small mountains of rubble.
她还看到了她房子所在的空旷空间的视频，那里是小山般的瓦砾。
The gray couch with yellow cushions that she sat on after school, the chandelier her mother chose, the mirror by the door, the teacups and trays filled with treats, her new reimagined big girl bedroom with an Elsa bedspread, her desk, the pink moon they hung on the ceiling-- all of that is somewhere in that pile of rubble.
放学后她坐的灰色沙发和黄色垫子，她母亲选择的枝形吊灯，门边的镜子，装满零食的茶杯和托盘，她重新设计的大女孩卧室，铺着艾尔莎床罩，她的桌子，天花板上挂着的粉红色月亮——所有这些都在那堆瓦砾中的某个地方。
All of that is there in the north of Gaza, their life.
所有这一切都在加沙北部，他们的生活。
But the north of Gaza has been transformed.
但加沙北部已经发生了变化。
There were about a million people living in northern Gaza when the war started, over 270,000 homes.
战争爆发时，加沙北部约有 100 万人居住，共有 27 万多所房屋。
Everyone was told to leave, to go south.
每个人都被告知离开，去南方。
Most people did.
大多数人都这么做了。
And now those people are separated from the north of Gaza by a wide militarized zone that they cannot cross.
现在，这些人与加沙北部被一个广阔的军事区隔开，他们无法穿越。
Israel has been building and fortifying this military zone for the last few months.
过去几个月，以色列一直在建设和加固这个军事区。
It cuts right across Gaza, splits Gaza in two, completely separating the north of Gaza, where Banias is from, from the south of Gaza, where she's been displaced to.
它横穿加沙，将加沙一分为二，将巴尼亚斯来自的加沙北部与她流离失所的加沙南部完全分开。
This military zone is called the Netzarim Corridor.
这个军事区被称为内扎里姆走廊。
It has a constant military presence, and it's big, around 20 square miles.
它有持续的军事存在，而且面积很大，大约有 20 平方英里。
It takes up more than 12% of the entire territory of Gaza.
占加沙全境12%以上。
In order to build it, Israel cleared out a wide stretch of land, demolished hundreds of buildings, from the Israeli border all the way to the ocean.
为了建造它，以色列清理了大片土地，拆除了数百座建筑物，从以色列边境一直到海洋。
And in that space, Israel installed checkpoints and paved roads and flags and water lines and cell phone towers.
在这个空间里，以色列设置了检查站、铺设了道路、旗帜、输水管线和手机信号塔。
It looks like something you'd put in place if you're planning to stay a while.
如果您打算停留一段时间，它看起来就像是您应该放置的东西。
A former chief of staff of the Israeli military has called the emptying out of the north of Gaza an ethnic cleansing.
以色列军队前参谋长称从加沙北部撤离是种族清洗。
He said, quote, "the land is being cleared of Arabs." Human Rights Watch, Oxfam, Amnesty International have all called what is happening in Gaza an ethnic cleansing, or a genocide.
他说，“这片土地上的阿拉伯人正在被清除。”人权观察组织、乐施会、国际特赦组织都将加沙正在发生的事情称为种族清洗或种族灭绝。
Israel denies this, and the Israeli military sent me a statement calling the charge of ethnic cleansing entirely baseless.
以色列否认这一点，以色列军方向我发送了一份声明，称种族清洗的指控完全毫无根据。
It says it's working to dismantle Hamas's military infrastructure and is adhering to its obligations under international law.
它表示正在努力拆除哈马斯的军事基础设施，并遵守国际法规定的义务。
The people who remained in the north and never left are under siege, with increasingly limited food and medical care.
留在北方从未离开的人们正遭受围困，食物和医疗服务日益有限。
The UN says children are, quote, "as ever, the first and most to suffer."
联合国表示，儿童“一如既往，是最先受苦的对象”。
So this latest move for Banias's parents, it feels like a new phase.
因此，对于巴尼亚斯父母来说，这一最新举措感觉像是进入了一个新阶段。
It's a move from "I can't believe it's gone on this long" to "this is going to keep going on." For Banias, it's more of the same, more temporary, more displacement, displacement that looks pretty likely to last most, if not all, of her childhood.
这是从“我不敢相信它已经持续了这么久”到“这将继续下去”的转变。对于巴尼亚斯来说，更多的是相同的、更暂时的、更多的位移，这种位移看起来很可能会持续她童年的大部分（如果不是全部）。
Today's episode was produced by Valerie Kipnis and edited by Laura Starecheski.
今天的剧集由 Valerie Kipnis 制作，Laura Starecheski 编辑。
The people who put together today's show are Jendayi Bonds, Sean Cole, Michael Comite, Henry Larson, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, Nadia Reiman, Anthony Roman, Ryan Rumery, Frances Swanson, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Jendayi Bonds、Sean Cole、Michael Comite、Henry Larson、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson、Nadia Reiman、Anthony Roman、Ryan Rumery、Frances Swanson、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Nancy Updike、Julie Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Our senior editor, David Kestenbaum.
我们的高级编辑 David Kestenbaum。
Executive editor, Emanuele Berry.
执行主编，埃马努埃莱·贝里。
Welcome to the world, Elias Berryman-Chace.
欢迎来到世界，埃利亚斯·贝里曼-切斯。
Special thanks this week to Hany Hawasly, Bethel Habte, Khalil Sayegh, Nabil Shawkat, Mona Chalabi, Rachel Lissy, Rebecca Vitali-DeCola, Claire Garmirian, and Becky Smith with Save the Children, Shaina Lowe and Camilla Lodi with the Norwegian Refugee Council, Tania Hary with Gisha, Amy Walters and the wonderful Al Jazeera podcast The Take, Corey Scher with the City University of New York, Jamon Van Den Hoek with Oregon State University and the UN Satellite Center.
本周特别感谢救助儿童会的 Hany Hawasly、Bethel Habte、Khalil Sayegh、Nabil Shawkat、Mona Chalabi、Rachel Lissy、Rebecca Vitali-DeCola、Claire Garmirian 和 Becky Smith，挪威难民委员会的 Shaina Lowe 和 Camilla Lodi，Tania Hary 和 Gisha、Amy Walters 以及精彩的半岛电视台播客 The Take、Corey Scher与纽约城市大学、Jamon Van Den Hoek 与俄勒冈州立大学和联合国卫星中心合作。
Dr. Iman Farajallah's book that focuses on the experiences of children in Gaza in particular is called My Life is a War.
伊曼·法拉贾拉博士的书《我的生活是一场战争》特别关注加沙儿童的经历。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
To become a This American Life partner, which gets you bonus content, ad-free listening, and hundreds of our favorite episodes of the show right in your podcast feed, go to thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners.
要成为 This American Life 合作伙伴，您可以在播客源中获得额外内容、无广告收听以及数百个我们最喜欢的节目剧集，请访问 thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners。
That link is also in the show notes.
该链接也在节目注释中。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特。
Ira will be back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉将于下周带着更多《美国生活》的故事回来。
So this whole episode of the show is all conversations with you.
所以这整集节目都是和你的对话。
And--
还有——
OK!
好的！
That's great.
那太棒了。
I will be the star of Gaza.
我将成为加沙之星。
[LAUGHS] Banias I'll be a star.
[笑]巴尼亚斯我会成为明星。
I'll be a star.
我会成为明星。
By the way, the mushroom, too, wants to be the mushroom star of Gaza.
顺便说一句，蘑菇也想成为加沙的蘑菇之星。
Mushroom is joining us in the conversation.
蘑菇正在加入我们的谈话。
Hi, mushroom.
嗨，蘑菇。
Banias Hi, Chana.
巴尼亚斯 你好，查纳。
I'm joining you to the conversation--
我正在加入你的谈话——
Do you want-- Banias --to be the mushroom star in Gaza.
巴尼亚斯，你想成为加沙的蘑菇明星吗？
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。