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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass I don't know about you, but you know what I think would feel great today?
序言：序言 Ira Glass 我不了解你，但你知道我认为今天感觉很棒吗？
An animal story, and not one of those stories where the animals are some metaphor for human beings and we see ourselves through their actions and learn some important lesson.
一个动物故事，而不是那些动物是人类隐喻的故事，我们通过它们的行为看到自己并学到一些重要的教训。
No, no, no, no. I'm talking about an old-fashioned animal story where you hear about some amazing creature in some surprising situation.
不，不，不，不。我说的是一个老式的动物故事，你会在一些令人惊讶的情况下听到一些令人惊奇的生物。
And that creature then does things that have such personality and seems so specifically them.
然后，那个生物就会做出具有如此个性的事情，并且看起来如此特别。
It just gets to you.
它只会影响到你。
I am pleased to say we have a story like that for you today.
我很高兴地告诉您，今天我们有一个这样的故事。
And the creature is not a dog, or a cat, or a bunny, or a horse, or any of the lovable creatures you usually find in this kind of story.
And the creature is not a dog, or a cat, or a bunny, or a horse, or any of the lovable creatures you usually find in this kind of story.
It's an orca, a killer whale that we humans captured from the wild, took from his mother and trained to be completely tame and live alongside us.
它是逆戟鲸，是我们人类从野外捕获的虎鲸，从它的母亲那里夺走，经过训练后可以完全驯服并与我们一起生活。
This killer whale was so tamed that at night, when his trainers went home, and he was all alone, he would watch TV from inside his tank.
这头虎鲸被如此驯服，以至于晚上，当它的训练员回家时，它独自一人，它会在鱼缸里看电视。
He liked old Andy Griffith reruns and action movies.
他喜欢老安迪·格里菲斯的重播和动作片。
And that continued for years, until, one day, we got the idea that maybe this killer whale didn't need to continue as a giant domesticated pet.
这种情况持续了很多年，直到有一天，我们想到也许这只虎鲸不需要继续作为一种巨大的家养宠物。
Maybe it will be possible for him to lead a very different life in the wild again.
也许他有可能再次在野外过上截然不同的生活。
Today's story comes from our co-workers at Serial.
今天的故事来自我们 Serial 的同事。
They, of course, have done so many remarkable series that have changed everybody's expectations of what you can do in a podcast.
They, of course, have done so many remarkable series that have changed everybody's expectations of what you can do in a podcast.
I have been sitting in on readthroughs of drafts of episodes of this new series for a year now.
我已经花一年时间仔细阅读这个新系列的剧集草稿了。
I'm one of the people who gives editing notes.
我是提供编辑注释的人之一。
And whenever we do one of these listening sessions, I have to say it's always one of the best parts of my week.
每当我们进行其中一场聆听课程时，我都不得不说这始终是我一周中最好的部分之一。
I really love this story, one of my favorite things they've ever done.
我真的很喜欢这个故事，这是他们做过的我最喜欢的事情之一。
This new series is called The Good Whale, six episodes long, including-- I'm not kidding-- a musical episode.
这部新剧集名为《好鲸鱼》，共六集，其中包括——我不是开玩笑——音乐剧。
Maybe I'll tell you about that later.
也许我稍后会告诉你。
They launched the first two episodes this week, and we're going to play you episode 1 of the show right now.
他们本周推出了前两集，我们现在将为您播放该节目的第一集。
And then after the break, we have another story-- not from Serial, but a story that we made-- about animals and what we expect of them.
休息后，我们有另一个故事——不是来自连续剧，而是我们自己制作的故事——关于动物以及我们对它们的期望。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Daniel Alarcón, the novelist and journalist and host of Radio Ambulante, is the host of this new show for Serial.
小说家、记者兼流动广播电台主持人丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔 (Daniel Alarcón) 是该系列新节目的主持人。
And with that, I will turn things over to Daniel.
这样，我就把事情交给丹尼尔了。
Here's episode 1 of their show.
这是他们节目的第一集。
Our story begins in the early '90s with an orca named Keiko.
我们的故事始于 90 年代初，一头名叫 Keiko 的逆戟鲸。
He's just entering his teenage years, living at an amusement park in Mexico City called Reino Aventura, or Adventure Kingdom.
他刚刚进入青少年时期，住在墨西哥城一个名为“Reino Aventura”或“冒险王国”的游乐园里。
He's not from there, but for the last seven years, a tank in this polluted, landlocked megacity more than 7,000 feet above sea level has been his home.
他不是来自那里，但在过去的七年里，这座海拔超过 7,000 英尺的污染严重的内陆大城市的一个坦克一直是他的家。
Before that, it was a marine park in Canada, where he was bullied by the other orcas.
在此之前，这是在加拿大的一个海洋公园，他在那里被其他逆戟鲸欺负。
Before that, it was a tank in a big, concrete building in Iceland, where he was kept for about three years, unable to see the sky.
在此之前，它是冰岛一栋大型混凝土建筑中的一个坦克，他在那里被关了大约三年，看不到天空。
And even before that, it was the North Atlantic, where he was captured and separated from his mom and the rest of his whale pod, probably when he was around two.
甚至在此之前，他就在北大西洋被捕，并与他的母亲和鲸鱼群的其他成员分离，当时他大概两岁左右。
I don't think I really understood how traumatic this could have been until I learned that male killer whales are essentially mama's boys, and not just when they're young, but basically their entire lives.
我想我并没有真正理解这会造成多大的创伤，直到我了解到雄性虎鲸本质上是妈妈的儿子，不仅是在它们年轻的时候，而且基本上是它们的一生。
Even as adults, they might swim by their mother's side.
即使成年后，他们也可能会在母亲身边游泳。
They depend on her.
他们依赖她。
A mother orca might catch a fish, bite it in two, and give half to her son.
逆戟鲸妈妈可能会捕获一条鱼，将其咬成两半，然后将一半给她的儿子。
This kind of closeness is documented in male orcas well into their 20s or 30s.
这种亲密关系在 20 多岁或 30 多岁的雄性虎鲸身上都有记录。
And Keiko was deprived of the chance to have that.
而惠子却被剥夺了这样的机会。
At age two, Keiko would probably still have been swimming in his mother's slipstream, still mastering the language of his pod.
两岁时，惠子可能仍在他母亲的滑流中游泳，仍然掌握着他的群体的语言。
He wouldn't have yet learned how to hunt on his own.
他还没有学会如何独自狩猎。
Despite weighing more than 1,000 pounds, in developmental terms, Keiko would have been just a baby, ripped from his mother, from everything he'd ever known and from a life that may have been largely spent by her side.
尽管惠子体重超过 1000 磅，但从发育角度来看，惠子还只是一个婴儿，被剥夺了他的母亲、他所知道的一切以及可能大部分时间都在她身边度过的生活。
So of course, it's hard to talk about a pool in a Mexican amusement park as a substitute for any of that.
因此，当然，很难用墨西哥游乐园的游泳池来替代其中任何一个。
But what I can say is that the people who work there, they truly, sincerely love Keiko.
但我可以说的是，在那里工作的人们，他们真心实意地爱着惠子。
They are, for all intents and purposes, his pod.
无论出于何种意图和目的，它们都是他的吊舱。
Well, obviously, my purpose in life at that time, it was Keiko and Keiko only.
嗯，显然，我当时的人生目标，就是惠子，只有惠子。
That's Renata Fernandez, who worked with Keiko at Reino Aventura.
那是雷纳塔·费尔南德斯 (Renata Fernandez)，她曾在 Reino Aventura 与 Keiko 一起工作。
Before having kids, he was my kid.
在有孩子之前，他是我的孩子。
He was my baby.
他是我的宝贝。
I mean, I had boyfriends back then, but they were not that important as Keiko.
我的意思是，我当时有男朋友，但他们没有惠子那么重要。
I had to break up with two boyfriends because I spent most of my time with him.
我不得不和两个男朋友分手，因为我大部分时间都和他在一起。
I worked there for seven years, and it was the best seven years of my life.
我在那里工作了七年，这是我一生中最美好的七年。
Renata started at Reino Aventura when she was 20 years old.
Renata 20 岁时开始在 Reino Aventura 工作。
She chopped frozen fish, mopped the pool deck, and eventually worked her way up to be one of Keiko's trainers.
她切冷冻鱼、拖泳池甲板，并最终成为惠子的训练师之一。
Working with a killer whale had long been a dream of hers.
与虎鲸一起工作一直是她的梦想。
And even now, when she talks about Keiko, she sounds the way a mother might when reminiscing about her kid's childhood.
即使现在，当她谈到惠子时，她的语气就像一位母亲回忆孩子的童年时一样。
She remembers all of Keiko's favorite games, his favorite toys, his favorite playmate.
她记得惠子最喜欢的所有游戏、他最喜欢的玩具、他最喜欢的玩伴。
His best friend was a dolphin named Richie.
他最好的朋友是一只名叫里奇的海豚。
And they would just play nonstop.
他们会不停地玩。
And between shows he would just have Richie on top of him, just kind of like giving him a ride.
在演出间隙，他会让里奇骑在他身上，就像载他一程一样。
If Keiko had his moods or played favorites, well, Renata says, that was just part of who he was.
雷娜塔说，如果惠子有自己的情绪或喜欢玩，那也只是他性格的一部分。
Keiko would choose who to play with.
惠子会选择和谁一起玩。
I mean, we had this very young girl.
我的意思是，我们有一个非常年轻的女孩。
She was 16 or 17.
她当时16岁或17岁。
And she would come into the water, and it was like a magnet for Keiko.
她会进入水中，这就像一块磁铁一样吸引了惠子。
He would love her, love to be with her.
他会爱她，愿意和她在一起。
And why?
为什么？
Nobody knows.
没有人知道。
I mean, just, it's like chemistry.
我的意思是，这就像化学。
In the offseason, when there were no weekday shows at Reino Aventura, Renata and the other trainers swam and played with Keiko for hours.
在休赛期，当 Reino Aventura 平日没有表演时，雷娜塔和其他训练员会和 Keiko 一起游泳和玩耍几个小时。
Most of the people who worked with Keiko were young, none older than 30, and they made Keiko the center of their lives.
和惠子一起工作的人大多都很年轻，年龄都不超过30岁，他们把惠子当作生活的中心。
They fed him by hand, gave him belly rubs all the time.
他们用手喂他，一直给他揉肚子。
They even set up a special hose just for him.
他们甚至专门为他设置了一根特殊的软管。
He loved to be sprayed.
他喜欢被喷。
And as far as anyone could tell, Keiko genuinely seemed to like it.
据任何人所知，惠子似乎真的很喜欢它。
We had this little boat, and there was a rope tied to the front, like a long rope.
我们有这条小船，船头绑着一根绳子，就像一根长长的绳子。
But we would put it in the water, and three girls would hop in it.
但我们会把它放进水里，三个女孩就会跳进去。
And he would pull us all over the pool, and then he would pull it down, just to make us fall from the boat.
他会把我们拉到泳池里，然后他会把它拉下来，只是为了让我们从船上掉下来。
And that was over and over.
那是一遍又一遍。
And obviously, we would laugh and then get on top of the little boat again.
显然，我们会笑，然后再次登上小船。
He would give us a ride again.
他会再次载我们一程。
So, I mean, he would have a blast.
所以，我的意思是，他会玩得很开心。
There's nothing about that last sentence of Renata's that could be fact-checked, not a word.
雷娜塔的最后一句话没有任何内容可以进行事实核查，一个字也没有。
We don't know if Keiko was having a blast.
我们不知道 Keiko 是否玩得开心。
We can't know.
我们不知道。
Maybe he was dragging the trainers around because he was bored or because he loved these friendly people who fed him every day.
也许他拖着训练师到处跑是因为他很无聊，或者因为他喜欢这些每天给他喂食的友好的人们。
Maybe what his humans interpreted as Keiko having fun was really just habit-- or even defeat.
也许他的人类所理解的惠子玩得开心实际上只是习惯——甚至是失败。
Like, why not let the people ride?
比如，为什么不让人们骑车呢？
They seem to like it.
他们似乎很喜欢它。
We can't really know what animals are thinking, so we do our best with the information we have, making educated guesses about the inner lives of the creatures we love.
我们无法真正知道动物在想什么，所以我们尽最大努力利用我们所掌握的信息，对我们所爱的生物的内心生活做出有根据的猜测。
And that's what this story is really about-- an imperfect attempt to understand what might be best for an animal who can't speak for himself, the intention to make things right for him, to make things better.
这就是这个故事的真正含义——一种不完美的尝试，试图了解对于无法为自己说话的动物来说什么是最好的，意图让事情适合他，让事情变得更好。
Everything I'm going to tell you is set in motion by these good intentions.
我要告诉你的一切都是由这些良好的意愿引发的。
And by everything, I mean an unprecedented global campaign, a high-profile, high-stakes science experiment, and a debate about what exactly we humans owe the natural world.
我所说的一切，指的是一场史无前例的全球运动、一场备受瞩目、高风险的科学实验，以及一场关于我们人类究竟欠自然世界什么的辩论。
At the center of it all is Keiko, who would become, almost by accident, a symbol for all whales, for the health of the oceans, for the very concept of wildness, but who was also an individual orca with a name, and specific history, and trauma, and character, a character with fears and limitations that no human could ever hope to interpret with any certainty-- not that they wouldn't try.
这一切的中心是惠子，她几乎是偶然地成为所有鲸鱼、海洋健康、野性概念的象征，但她也是一头虎鲸个体，有名字、有特定的历史、创伤和性格，一个充满恐惧和局限性的性格，没有人希望能够确定地解释——并不是他们不会尝试。
In fact, lots of well-intentioned people would claim they knew exactly what was best for this whale.
事实上，许多善意的人会声称他们确切地知道什么对这只鲸鱼来说是最好的。
And they would be arguing and fighting over those interpretations for years.
他们会为这些解释争论和争斗多年。
It wasn't just Renata and the other trainers who loved Keiko, or even just the people in Mexico City who went to see Keiko at Reino Aventura.
不只是雷娜塔和其他训练师喜欢惠子，甚至只是墨西哥城的人们去Reino Aventura看惠子。
It seems like pretty much every kid in Mexico knew him.
似乎墨西哥几乎每个孩子都认识他。
He was beloved, a kind of national mascot.
他深受人们喜爱，是一种国家吉祥物。
One person I spoke to compared him to a Mexican Mickey Mouse.
我采访过的一个人把他比作墨西哥米老鼠。
And in fact, a lot of people assumed that Keiko was Mexican, like actually from Mexico.
事实上，很多人都认为惠子是墨西哥人，就像实际上来自墨西哥一样。
They never considered that he could have come from anywhere else.
他们从未想过他可能来自其他地方。
He was just theirs.
他只是他们的。
We talked to lots of people who grew up in Mexico City in the '80s and '90s, and they said again and again that Keiko had an aura about him, that seeing him at Reino Aventura was like hanging out with your 7,000-pound best friend, the killer whale you told your secrets to-- what was happening at school, who your crush was.
我们采访了很多在 80 年代和 90 年代在墨西哥城长大的人，他们一次又一次地说 Keiko 身上有一种光环，在 Reino Aventura 看到他就像和你 7000 磅重的最好的朋友、你向它倾诉秘密的虎鲸一起出去玩——学校里发生了什么，你迷恋的人是谁。
It was that kind of relationship.
就是这样的关系。
If you watched television in Mexico in the late '80s or early '90s, chances were that sooner or later, you'd see Keiko.
如果你在 80 年代末或 90 年代初在墨西哥看电视，你迟早会看到 Keiko。
He was in Reino Aventura commercials, of course.
当然，他也出现在 Reino Aventura 的广告中。
There were pop songs dedicated to him.
有一些流行歌曲献给他。
He even starred in a telenovela as himself.
他甚至还以自己的身份出演了一部电视剧。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Man [SPEAKING SPANISH]
[说西班牙语] 男人 [说西班牙语]
Daniel Alarcón And then there were the shows, when visitors got to see their beloved pet up close.
Daniel Alarcón 然后是表演，参观者可以近距离看到他们心爱的宠物。
Reino Aventura doesn't exist anymore-- not under that name anyway.
《Reino Aventura》已经不存在了——无论如何，不再以这个名字存在。
It's since been acquired by Six Flags.
此后它被六旗公司收购。
But back in its heyday, in the early '90s, Keiko was the star attraction.
但在 20 世纪 90 年代初的鼎盛时期，Keiko 曾是最引人注目的明星。
And these shows, they were legendary.
这些节目都是传奇。
At the peak of his fame, there might have been 200 people lining up a couple of hours before the gates opened.
在他名声最鼎盛的时候，开门前几个小时可能就有 200 人在排队。
A pair of clowns marched around, playing trumpets, entertaining Keiko's fans as they filed in.
一对小丑一边走来走去，一边吹着小号，为惠子的粉丝们带来欢乐。
On weekends, there were three shows a day, more than 3,000 seats consistently packed.
周末每天演出三场，3000多个座位始终座无虚席。
I had Renata walk me through one of the routines.
我让雷娜塔引导我完成其中一项例行程序。
First it was the sea lions, then the dolphins, including Richie.
首先是海狮，然后是海豚，包括里奇。
And then--
然后——
We would open the pen, and Keiko would come out jumping.
我们打开围栏，惠子就会跳出来。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] [AUDIENCE SQUEALING, CHEERING]
[说西班牙语] [观众尖叫、欢呼]
So the people would just go crazy, obviously.
所以人们显然会发疯。
So that was the show.
这就是节目。
And after that, all the trainers would come out and go greet people and take pictures with people.
之后，所有的培训师都会出来和人们打招呼，并与人们合影。
There were so many people clamoring to see Keiko up close that his veterinarian told me they set up a kind of receiving line.
有很多人吵着要近距离看惠子，他的兽医告诉我，他们设置了一条接收线。
He even compared the crowds to the believers who wait in line to see the Virgin of Guadalupe-- that reverential, that devoted.
他甚至将人群比作排队等候瞻仰瓜达卢佩圣母的信徒——那样的虔诚、那样的虔诚。
So that's Keiko, occasional TV star, quasi saint, telepathic confidante, and best friend to countless Mexican children.
这就是惠子，偶尔的电视明星、准圣人、心灵感应的知己和无数墨西哥儿童最好的朋友。
And this was his life-- constant attention from his trainers, games with his favorite dolphin buddies, performances for thousands of adoring fans.
这就是他的生活——训练师的持续关注、与他最喜欢的海豚伙伴一起比赛、为成千上万的粉丝表演。
But it was all about to change.
但这一切即将改变。
In 1992, Reino Aventura was set to close for some much-needed renovations, which meant Keiko had some free time-- six months with no shows and no crowds.
1992 年，Reino Aventura 因急需的整修而关闭，这意味着 Keiko 有一些空闲时间——六个月没有演出，也没有人群。
So when a production company proposed to film a movie with Keiko, the park's director, Oscar Porter, thought, what the hell?
因此，当一家制作公司提议与惠子一起拍摄一部电影时，公园总监奥斯卡·波特想，这到底是什么？
Why not?
为什么不呢？
It wasn't much money, but it might keep Keiko entertained.
虽然钱不多，但可以让惠子开心。
Once he said yes to the movie, Porter didn't give it much more thought.
当波特同意拍这部电影后，他就没有再多想了。
He was busy overseeing all the details of the park's upgrades, the installation of new rides, new contracts with vendors, more than 600 employees.
他忙于监督公园升级、新游乐设施安装、与供应商签订新合同以及 600 多名员工的所有细节。
He told me he didn't even read the script.
他告诉我他甚至没有读过剧本。
But that script is why we're telling you the story, why you probably already know who Keiko is, even if it's by a different name.
但这个剧本就是我们告诉你这个故事的原因，也是你可能已经知道 Keiko 是谁的原因，即使它的名字不同。
The studio behind this proposal was the American movie powerhouse, Warner Brothers.
这一提议背后的工作室是美国电影巨头华纳兄弟。
And Keiko was about to get the name you might know him by-- Willy, Free Willy.
惠子即将得到一个你可能认识的名字——威利，自由威利。
[WATER SPLASHING] Daniel Alarcón If you're my age-- mid 40s-- you've probably seen the movie.
[水花四溅] Daniel Alarcón 如果你和我一样年纪——40 多岁——你可能已经看过这部电影了。
But if not, or it's been a minute, here's a quick refresher.
但如果没有，或者已经过去了一分钟，这里有一个快速回顾。
Lauren Shuler Donner, one of the producers, told me the movie could be boiled down to this-- bad kid, bad whale.
制片人之一劳伦·舒勒·唐纳告诉我，这部电影可以归结为——坏孩子，坏鲸鱼。
The bad kid is a moody 12-year-old named Jesse.
这个坏孩子是一个喜怒无常的 12 岁男孩，名叫杰西。
I guess.
我猜。
Daniel Alarcón The bad whale is Willy, captured and separated from his pod, stuck in a small pool in a ramshackle aquarium.
丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔（Daniel Alarcón） 这头坏鲸就是威利（Willy），它被捕获并与它的鲸群分离，被困在摇摇欲坠的水族馆的一个小水池里。
The park staff find him stubborn, hard to train.
公园工作人员发现他很顽固，很难训练。
He has three black spots on the underside of his jaw.
他的下巴下面有三个黑点。
His dorsal fin droops to one side, a killer whale's version of an emo haircut.
他的背鳍向一侧下垂，这是虎鲸版本的情绪发型。
Jesse decides he has to save Willy's life, get him back to the ocean, back to his family, and somehow, against all kinds of obstacles, he does.
杰西决定他必须拯救威利的生命，让他回到大海，回到他的家人身边，不知何故，克服各种障碍，他做到了。
Come on, Willy.
来吧，威利。
I know you can do it, boy.
我知道你能做到，孩子。
I know you can jump this wall!
我知道你可以跳过这堵墙！
Come on.
快点。
I believe in you, Willy.
我相信你，威利。
You can do it.
你可以做到的。
You can be free.
你可以自由了。
Come on.
快点。
Jump it.
跳吧。
The movie poster is what most people remember.
大多数人都记得电影海报。
It's the image that was absorbed into the culture, a still from the film's climax-- Willy in mid-flight against an orange sunset, jumping over a breakwater.
这是被文化吸收的形象，是电影高潮时的剧照——威利在橙色夕阳的映衬下，跳过防波堤，在空中飞行。
The ocean beckons.
海洋在召唤。
The boy stands just below Willy, beneath an arc of sea spray, a triumphant arm pointing to the sky.
男孩站在威利下方，在一道浪花的弧形下方，胜利的手臂指向天空。
The tagline reads, "How far would you go for a friend?"
标语是：“你愿意为了一个朋友走多远？”
Daniel Alarcón When it came to who would play Willy, it wasn't like Warner Brothers had a ton of killer whales to choose from.
丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔 (Daniel Alarcón) 当谈到谁将扮演威利时，华纳兄弟并没有大量的虎鲸可供选择。
A producer on the film told us her team approached a few different marine parks, but people weren't excited about the message of the movie and wanted changes to the script.
电影的一位制片人告诉我们，她的团队接触了几个不同的海洋公园，但人们对电影的信息并不感兴趣，并希望对剧本进行修改。
Finally, they landed on Reino Aventura, who signed off, as we mentioned, without even reading it.
最后，他们登陆了 Reino Aventura，正如我们提到的，他甚至没有阅读它就签字了。
And Keiko, it turns out, was perfect for the part.
事实证明，惠子非常适合这个角色。
See, for the film to work, the producers needed something very specific, a kind of sad-looking whale living in less than ideal conditions.
看，为了让这部电影成功，制片人需要一些非常具体的东西，一种生活在不太理想的条件下、看起来悲伤的鲸鱼。
They needed a whale kids would feel sorry for, a whale children would want to save.
他们需要一头鲸鱼孩子会感到难过，一头鲸鱼孩子会想要拯救。
And the fact is, while Keiko might have been happy, he wasn't actually that healthy.
事实是，虽然惠子可能很高兴，但他实际上并不那么健康。
He was a couple thousand pounds underweight, not because he was underfed, but probably because the warm water affected his appetite.
他的体重减轻了几千磅，并不是因为他营养不良，而是因为温水影响了他的食欲。
He had a skin rash, too, something called papillomavirus, which looked bad, even though the veterinarian at Reino Aventura said it wasn't that serious.
他还出现了皮疹，一种叫做乳头瘤病毒的东西，看起来很糟糕，尽管雷诺阿文图拉的兽医说情况并没有那么严重。
But most striking of all was his tank.
但最引人注目的是他的坦克。
It was small, disturbingly small.
它很小，小得令人不安。
One of the film's producers joked it was smaller than some swimming pools in Beverly Hills.
该电影的一位制片人开玩笑说它比比佛利山庄的一些游泳池还要小。
The water he swam in wasn't even seawater, just fresh water with salt added.
他游泳的水根本就不是海水，只是加了盐的淡水。
Renata says they checked the salt levels frequently, and they weren't under any illusions that Keiko's living conditions were ideal.
雷娜塔说，他们经常检查盐含量，并且他们并不抱有任何幻想，认为惠子的生活条件很理想。
She told me Reino Aventura looked into building a larger pool, but just couldn't make it work financially.
她告诉我 Reino Aventura 考虑建造一个更大的游泳池，但在经济上无法实现。
So strip away for a moment almost everything I've told you.
所以暂时抛开我告诉你的几乎所有内容。
Forget the love and the games and the trainers and the fans and see instead what the camera sees-- Keiko, a smaller-than-average killer whale with a droopy dorsal fin swimming alone in a tiny, shallow pool.
忘掉爱情、比赛、训练员和球迷，看看镜头所看到的——Keiko，一头体形小于平均水平的虎鲸，背鳍下垂，独自在一个狭小的浅水池里游泳。
He was exactly what the movie required.
他正是电影所需要的。
Free Willy was released on July 16, 1993, and the reviews were positive, at least until journalists started asking what was up with the star of the movie.
《威利重生》于 1993 年 7 月 16 日上映，获得了积极的评价，至少在记者开始询问这位电影明星的近况之前是这样。
And news reports about Keiko's subpar living conditions and health began spreading.
关于惠子生活条件和健康状况不佳的新闻报道开始传播。
The movie Free Willy has a great ending, but real life didn't treat the real star of the box office hit the way it treated Willy in the movie.
电影《释放威利》有一个美好的结局，但现实生活并没有像电影中对待威利那样对待真正的票房明星。
Not at all.
一点也不。
News tonight that will surely upset all those children who saw the movie Free Willy this summer.
今晚的消息肯定会让所有今年夏天看过电影《威利自由》的孩子们感到不安。
The whale that starred in the movie is sick and may die unless his living conditions are improved.
电影中主演的鲸鱼生病了，如果不改善它的生活条件，它可能会死亡。
Soon enough, Keiko had gone from Mexico's beloved pet to Mexico's dying orca.
很快，惠子就从墨西哥心爱的宠物变成了墨西哥垂死的逆戟鲸。
And kids around the world were not happy.
世界各地的孩子们并不高兴。
I'm writing this letter to ask you to consider helping the killer whale, Keiko, in Mexico.
我写这封信是想请求您考虑帮助墨西哥的虎鲸 Keiko。
We would like everybody to donate $1, and we'd get lots of money so we can try to help save this whale.
我们希望每个人都能捐出 1 美元，这样我们就能得到很多钱，这样我们就可以尽力帮助拯救这头鲸鱼。
Here, this whale that people have made millions off of, and now he's just sitting in this tank, dying.
在这里，人们靠这头鲸鱼赚了数百万美元，而现在他就坐在这个水箱里，快死了。
In Mexico, Reino Aventura and the staff were suddenly having to defend themselves in ways they hadn't before, trying to convince crusading celebrities and animal rights activists that they did, indeed, care about Keiko's well-being.
在墨西哥，雷诺·阿文图拉和工作人员突然不得不以前所未有的方式为自己辩护，试图说服那些十字军东征的名人和动物权利活动人士，他们确实关心惠子的福祉。
When Life Magazine published an article describing Keiko's tank as a "cesspool," Reino Aventura's director, Oscar Porter, sent a letter claiming the magazine had gotten it all wrong, that Keiko's water was, quote, "clean and clear."
当《生活》杂志发表一篇文章将惠子的水箱描述为“污水池”时，《雷诺·阿文图拉》的导演奥斯卡·波特发了一封信，声称该杂志完全搞错了，惠子的水是“干净清澈的”。
Back in Hollywood, Warner Brothers was getting hammered, too.
回到好莱坞，华纳兄弟也遭受重创。
Bags and bags of mail from kids arrived at the offices, all demanding the same thing-- free Willy, or rather, free Keiko.
孩子们寄来的一袋又一袋邮件抵达办公室，他们都要求同一件事——释放威利，或者更确切地说，释放惠子。
And so if the studio wanted to avoid a PR nightmare and not break the hearts of millions of children, then it was clear-- someone had to save him in real life.
因此，如果工作室想要避免公关噩梦，又不想让数百万儿童心碎，那么很明显——必须有人在现实生活中拯救他。
Daniel Alarcón.
丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔.
That's after the break, when our program continues.
那是休息之后，我们的节目继续进行的时候。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
We pick up the story of Keiko where we left off.
我们从上次停下来的地方继续讲 Keiko 的故事。
Here's Daniel Alarcón.
请听丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔的报道。
For centuries, we humans hunted and killed whales as if their numbers were infinite.
几个世纪以来，我们人类一直在猎杀鲸鱼，就好像鲸鱼的数量是无限的。
And over time, we got better and better at it, more efficient, more ruthless, extracting more value from each kill.
随着时间的推移，我们变得越来越擅长，更加高效，更加残酷，从每次杀戮中获取更多价值。
We harvested their blubber, their organs, their baleen, their meat, and it was all transformed into everyday commercial products, from makeup to heating oil.
我们收获了它们的鲸脂、它们的器官、它们的鲸须、它们的肉，这些都被转化为日常商业产品，从化妆品到取暖油。
More than 700,000 whales were killed in the 1960s.
20 世纪 60 年代，超过 70 万头鲸鱼被捕杀。
Whaling was a huge global industry, with profits to match.
捕鲸业是一个巨大的全球产业，利润也与之相匹配。
The killing of orcas was a little different since they didn't have much to offer us, commercially speaking.
虎鲸的捕杀有点不同，因为从商业角度来说，它们没有给我们提供太多东西。
But humans being humans, we killed them anyway-- for fear, for sport, for bloodlust.
但人类就是人类，我们无论如何都杀了他们——为了恐惧、为了娱乐、为了嗜血。
Fishermen trawling for herring or salmon saw them as competitors, so they would shoot them on sight.
拖网捕捞鲱鱼或鲑鱼的渔民将它们视为竞争对手，因此一看到它们就会射杀。
The US Navy would use orca pods for target practice.
美国海军将使用逆戟鲸吊舱进行目标练习。
All told, it's estimated that some 3 million individual whales were killed by humans in the 20th century.
据估计，20 世纪约有 300 万头鲸鱼被人类捕杀。
By the early 1970s, scientists understood that whales were far more scarce than we'd all previously thought and began warning that the steep declines they were seeing in wild populations might be irreversible.
到了 20 世纪 70 年代初，科学家们了解到鲸鱼的数量比我们之前想象的要稀少得多，并开始警告说，野生鲸鱼数量的急剧下降可能是不可逆转的。
In response, the Save the Whales movement was born, with the goal of ending commercial whaling worldwide, a bold, quixotic idea to convince the countries that still practiced whaling to simply stop.
作为回应，拯救鲸鱼运动诞生了，其目标是结束全球商业捕鲸，这是一个大胆而不切实际的想法，旨在说服仍在从事捕鲸活动的国家停止捕鲸。
I'm telling you all this because in a way, everything that happens to Keiko a couple of decades later is a result of it, of this idea that these creatures were worth protecting.
我告诉你这一切是因为在某种程度上，几十年后惠子身上发生的一切都是它的结果，是这些生物值得保护的想法的结果。
And it's also when this next significant person in Keiko's life enters the story, a guy by the name of Dave Phillips.
也正是在这个时候，Keiko 生命中的下一个重要人物进入了故事，他的名字叫戴夫·菲利普斯 (Dave Phillips)。
I was pretty young then.
那时我还很年轻。
I was like two years out of college.
我大学毕业两年了。
It was the late '70s.
It was the late '70s.
The Save the Whales campaign was just starting to pick up steam, and Dave wanted in.
拯救鲸鱼运动刚刚开始兴起，戴夫也想加入。
So he packed up his life, drove his turquoise Volkswagen Rabbit out to California, and soon joined the movement to do his part.
于是，他收拾好自己的生活，开着他的绿松石色大众兔子前往加利福尼亚州，并很快加入了这场运动，尽自己的一份力量。
I was green.
我是绿色的。
There were other people there that were a lot more experienced than I was.
那里还有其他人比我更有经验。
I was more likely to be out there with hiking boots and long hair and just getting dirty.
我更有可能穿着登山鞋、留着长发外出，只是弄脏了。
So yeah, he was kind of a hippie.
是的，他有点嬉皮士。
But he was a hippie with a degree in biology, who found he was too impatient to spend his adult life in a lab studying the minutiae of wildlife without doing anything to save it.
但他是一位拥有生物学学位的嬉皮士，他发现自己太不耐烦了，无法在实验室里度过成年生活，研究野生动物的细节，而不采取任何行动来拯救它们。
Given the scale of the environmental crisis he saw, science moved too slowly for him.
考虑到他所看到的环境危机的规模，科学对他来说进展太慢了。
The central message for the Save the Whales campaign was simple-- whales are not commodities.
拯救鲸鱼运动的中心信息很简单——鲸鱼不是商品。
They're living beings.
他们是生物。
This message was everywhere.
这个消息到处都是。
There were bumper stickers and T-shirts emblazoned with the words "Save the Whales," the slogan itself becoming so ubiquitous, it was almost cliché, played as a punchline.
保险杠贴纸和 T 恤上都印有“拯救鲸鱼”的字样，这个口号本身变得如此无处不在，几乎成了陈词滥调，被当作了笑点。
There were Save the Whales marches and rallies across the world, and Dave was there for all of it.
世界各地都有拯救鲸鱼游行和集会，戴夫全程参与其中。
Most importantly, he was there in 1982, a pivotal moment in his career, when the International Whaling Commission caved to the pressure and voted to impose a worldwide moratorium on commercial whaling.
最重要的是，他在 1982 年在那里，那是他职业生涯的关键时刻，当时国际捕鲸委员会屈服于压力，投票决定在全球范围内暂停商业捕鲸。
They'd done it.
他们做到了。
They'd saved the whales from what many felt was their almost certain extinction.
他们将鲸鱼从许多人认为几乎肯定会灭绝的情况下拯救出来。
So Dave learned two things.
所以戴夫学到了两件事。
One, to succeed, your message had to be everywhere.
第一，要想成功，你的信息必须无处不在。
If your slogan becomes a joke, so be it.
如果你的口号变成了笑话，那就这样吧。
At least people are hearing the message.
至少人们正在听到这个消息。
And two, whales are magic.
第二，鲸鱼是有魔力的。
It's that simple.
就是这么简单。
They're just one of those species that people fall in love with.
它们只是人们喜爱的物种之一。
A decade later, in the '90s, Dave's still in the environmental movement, still advocating for wild whales and attending meetings.
十年后的 90 年代，戴夫仍然参与环保运动，仍然倡导保护野生鲸鱼并参加会议。
And it's at one of these meetings in Glasgow when he gets a call.
在格拉斯哥的一次会议上，他接到了电话。
He's out to dinner with a few colleagues when somebody comes up to the table and says--
他和几位同事出去吃饭，这时有人走到桌边说——
"Is Mr. Phillips here?
“菲利普斯先生在吗？
We have a call for you.
我们有电话要找您。
Mr. Donner is calling." And I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is Dick Donner calling from Hollywood.
唐纳先生打来电话了。”我就想，哦，天哪，这是迪克·唐纳从好莱坞打来的电话。
Like, what is-- and there's Dick.
就像，什么是——还有迪克。
And he's all in a flutter.
他心慌意乱。
I haven't introduced you to Dick Donner yet, but I did mention his wife, Lauren Shuler Donner.
我还没有向您介绍迪克·唐纳，但我确实提到了他的妻子劳伦·舒勒·唐纳。
Together, they were a legit Hollywood power couple, producing or directing blockbusters like The Goonies and Superman.
他们一起成为好莱坞的一对实力情侣，制作或导演了《七宝奇谋》和《超人》等大片。
Dick has since passed away, but Lauren told me that they both were self-proclaimed animal lunatics.
迪克已经去世了，但劳伦告诉我，他们都自称是动物疯子。
Dave had actually worked with the couple before.
戴夫之前实际上曾与这对夫妇合作过。
They asked him to consult on a few lines of pro-dolphin dialogue in the buddy cop movie Lethal Weapon 2.
他们请他参考警察兄弟电影《致命武器2》中的几句支持海豚的对话。
Hey, hey.
嘿，嘿。
What's that you're eating, Dad?
爸爸，你吃的是什么？
Daddy, you can't eat tuna.
爸爸，你不能吃金枪鱼。
Dad I can't eat what?
爸爸我不能吃什么？
Mom, Dad killed Flipper.
爸爸妈妈杀了弗利珀。
Mom We're boycotting tuna, honey, because they kill the dolphins that get caught in the nets.
妈妈，亲爱的，我们正在抵制金枪鱼，因为它们会杀死被网捕获的海豚。
Only albacore.
只有长鳍金枪鱼。
Albacore?
长鳍金枪鱼？
Daniel Alarcón It was small, barely a scene, but Dick felt good about it.
丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔（Daniel Alarcón） 那场戏很小，几乎算不上一个场景，但迪克对此感觉很好。
And now he had something bigger in mind-- Free Willy, a movie he and Lauren were putting together.
现在他有了更大的想法——他和劳伦正在制作一部名为《Free Willy》的电影。
And Dick wanted Dave's help.
迪克需要戴夫的帮助。
And he's like, this movie is going to be big.
他说，这部电影将会大受欢迎。
He's like, it's going to be a great movie.
他说，这将是一部很棒的电影。
And I'm doing this because I want to make a difference for whales.
我这样做是因为我想为鲸鱼带来改变。
And I want to know, are you in?
我想知道，你在吗？
The whaling ban Dave had fought for all those years ago protected whales from commercial slaughter, but some species were still captured or killed on a smaller scale.
戴夫多年前为捕鲸禁令而奋斗，保护鲸鱼免遭商业屠宰，但仍有一些物种被捕获或小规模捕杀。
The way Dave saw it, Dick and Lauren were offering him an opportunity to finish the job he'd started all those years ago, a chance to save the rest of the whales.
在戴夫看来，迪克和劳伦为他提供了一个机会来完成他多年前开始的工作，一个拯救其余鲸鱼的机会。
Dave and the producers started with something simple-- an 800 number that would pop up on the screen at the end of the movie credits.
戴夫和制片人从一些简单的事情开始——在电影字幕结束时屏幕上弹出一个 800 号码。
The idea was that people would call, leave their address, and Dave's organization, Earth Island Institute, would send them a packet of information about the plight of whales across the world, how they could help.
这个想法是，人们打电话，留下他们的地址，戴夫的组织地球岛研究所会向他们发送一包有关世界各地鲸鱼困境的信息，以及他们如何提供帮助。
The kit was like steps you can take, like, go watch whales in the wild instead of going to watch them in captivity, and put pressure on the International Whaling Commission to stop killing whales.
该套件就像你可以采取的步骤，比如去野外观赏鲸鱼而不是圈养它们，并向国际捕鲸委员会施加压力以停止捕杀鲸鱼。
Nothing too elaborate.
没什么太复杂的。
You called the number, you got a kit.
你拨打了这个号码，你就得到了一个工具包。
But fast forward a year, and once the movie was released and word got out that the star of Free Willy was sick and still living in a tiny pool in Mexico, well, calling an 800 number and getting a kit just didn't feel like enough.
但快进一年，电影上映后，有消息传出，《威利威利》的主演生病了，而且仍然住在墨西哥的一个小泳池里，拨打 800 号码并获得一个工具包感觉还不够。
Dave remembers Dick phoning him up again and saying--
戴夫记得迪克再次给他打电话说——
We're being crucified down here.
我们正被钉在十字架上。
You've got to help us.
你必须帮助我们。
Now Dick was proposing something far more ambitious, something that honestly sounded a little nuts.
现在迪克提出了一些更加雄心勃勃的建议，老实说听起来有点疯狂。
He said, you've got to get involved in saving Keiko.
他说，你必须参与拯救惠子的行动。
Rescuing Keiko from his life in captivity and releasing him back into the ocean, like in the movie.
将惠子从囚禁中解救出来，并将其放回大海，就像电影中那样。
Did you immediately say, like, this is something I can do, or were you like, this man is crazy?
你是立即说，这是我能做的事，还是你说，这个人疯了？
I was like-- it was just dizzying because I'm starting to think, wait, how does this even work?
我当时想——这太令人头晕了，因为我开始思考，等等，这到底是如何运作的？
What fans of the movie wanted was to see their favorite celebrity orca back in the ocean.
这部电影的粉丝想要看到他们最喜欢的名人逆戟鲸回到海洋。
But that wasn't so simple.
但事情没那么简单。
First off, nothing quite this ambitious had ever been attempted.
首先，从来没有人尝试过如此雄心勃勃的事情。
True, other captive marine mammals had been released to the wild, but they hadn't been in captivity nearly as long as Keiko.
确实，其他圈养海洋哺乳动物也被放归野外，但它们被圈养的时间没有惠子那么长。
So saving Keiko would require an extraordinary effort.
所以拯救惠子需要付出非凡的努力。
Dick Donner wanted Dave to do it, but this wasn't exactly Dave's specialty.
迪克·唐纳希望戴夫做这件事，但这并不完全是戴夫的专长。
His whole career had been focused on big, huge problems, protecting the ocean and saving wild whales, plural.
他的整个职业生涯都专注于解决重大问题，保护海洋和拯救野生鲸鱼。
What Dick was proposing in response to the public outcry around the movie was much narrower in scope-- saving the whale, singular.
迪克为回应公众对这部电影的强烈抗议而提出的建议范围要小得多——拯救鲸鱼，单一的。
Dave remembers telling Dick Donner essentially, thanks, but I'm not the right guy for this job.
戴夫记得基本上告诉迪克唐纳，谢谢，但我不是这份工作的合适人选。
But it seems Dick wouldn't take no for an answer.
但迪克似乎不会接受拒绝。
He was like, nobody else can do this.
他说，没有人能做到这一点。
You have to do this.
你必须这样做。
You've got to do this.
你必须这样做。
The kids are depending on it.
孩子们都依赖它。
Everybody is depending on it.
每个人都依赖它。
You've got to do this.
你必须这样做。
Will you try?
你会尝试吗？
And there was something about this that resonated.
这件事引起了共鸣。
Think of it this way.
这样想吧。
If you're Dave or an environmentalist of his generation, crazy doesn't necessarily mean impossible.
如果你是戴夫或他这一代的环保主义者，疯狂并不一定意味着不可能。
Just a few years before, in 1990, an estimated 200 million people took part in Earth Day celebrations, the most ever by far.
就在几年前的 1990 年，估计有 2 亿人参加了地球日庆祝活动，这是迄今为止人数最多的一次。
This is the decade of the Earth Summit in Rio, the Kyoto Protocol-- big, coordinated global actions to combat climate change and environmental damage.
这是里约地球峰会、京都议定书的十年——应对气候变化和环境破坏的大规模、协调的全球行动。
In 1985, scientists announced that they'd discovered a hole in the ozone layer.
1985年，科学家宣布他们在臭氧层中发现了一个洞。
And by the '90s, an international treaty was in place to ban some of the chemicals thought to have created it, and it seemed to work.
到了 20 世纪 90 年代，一项国际条约已经出台，禁止一些被认为是产生这种物质的化学物质，而且它似乎发挥了作用。
The ozone layer began to heal itself.
臭氧层开始自我修复。
Even I remember, and I was just a kid.
连我自己都记得，那时我还只是个孩子。
Those years were my childhood, a time I remember as fundamentally optimistic.
那几年是我的童年，我记得那段时光基本上是乐观的。
We learned about separating our trash in school, reduce, reuse, recycle imprinted on the brain.
我们在学校学到的垃圾分类、减少、再利用、回收都印在了大脑里。
We learned about the Amazon and the dangers of climate change, which still felt so far away.
我们了解了亚马逊和气候变化的危险，但这些仍然感觉很遥远。
We didn't despair because we thought we could still work together to save the planet, that if people just knew what was happening, we'd do the right thing and that the right thing would be clear to all of us.
我们没有绝望，因为我们认为我们仍然可以共同努力拯救地球，如果人们知道正在发生什么，我们就会做正确的事情，而且我们所有人都会清楚正确的事情。
That's the moment we're in, the moment Dave's in.
这就是我们所处的时刻，也是戴夫所处的时刻。
And so, sure, saving Keiko sounds a bit nutty, but maybe if you've seen what he's seen, that sort of thing doesn't scare you.
所以，当然，拯救惠子听起来有点疯狂，但也许如果你看到了他所看到的，这种事情就不会吓到你。
So Dave said, OK, I'll check it out.
所以戴夫说，好吧，我去看看。
I'll fly down to Mexico City and meet Keiko.
我会飞到墨西哥城去见惠子。
He was, if not hopeful, intrigued, until he got there and realized this is a terrible idea.
他即使不抱希望，也很感兴趣，直到他到达那里并意识到这是一个糟糕的主意。
By the time Dave visited, Keiko was a teenager and had been living in Mexico City for about 8 and 1/2 years.
当戴夫来访时，惠子已经十几岁了，已经在墨西哥城生活了大约 8 又 1/2 年。
Dave could see right away, this captive whale was nowhere near ready to live in the ocean.
戴夫立刻就看出，这头圈养鲸鱼还远没有准备好在海洋中生活。
A wild orca can swim over 100 miles a day.
野生逆戟鲸每天可以游超过 100 英里。
Keiko was basically the aquatic equivalent of a couch potato.
Keiko 基本上相当于一个沙发土豆。
First time I ever went to Mexico to see Keiko, I was completely freaked out.
我第一次去墨西哥看惠子时，我完全被吓坏了。
I was sitting up in the bleachers, looking down at this whale in this tiny pool in Mexico City.
我坐在看台上，低头看着墨西哥城这个小水池里的这条鲸鱼。
And he didn't look good.
而且他看起来不太好。
He swam in very small circles.
他在很小的圈子里游。
And he could make it across this pool in just a matter of seconds.
他只需几秒钟就能穿过这个水池。
It was very, very poor facility.
设施非常非常差。
I almost started crying, really, to tell you the truth.
说实话，我几乎要哭了。
I was just hit by it, saying, this is just-- this just can't work.
我只是被它击中了，我说，这就是——这根本行不通。
I asked Dave to tick through the reasons Keiko was not an ideal candidate to rewild, and there were many.
我让戴夫列出了惠子不是重新野化的理想人选的原因，原因有很多。
Before they could even think of releasing him back into the ocean, Keiko needed to get rid of his papillomavirus, but also get stronger, healthier, put on weight.
在他们考虑将他放回大海之前，惠子需要摆脱他的乳头瘤病毒，但同时也需要变得更强壮、更健康、增加体重。
And there was no way he could do that in his current tank at Reino Aventura.
而他在 Reino Aventura 目前的坦克中根本不可能做到这一点。
And where are we supposed to bring him?
我们应该带他去哪里？
We're not bringing him into-- we couldn't bring him into the captive facility.
我们不会把他带进——我们不能把他带进俘虏设施。
I'm thinking, where are we going to go?
我在想，我们要去哪里？
We're not going to take him to some place where he's having to perform or be in a captive environment, where they're making money off of these whales.
我们不会带他去某个地方，在那里他必须表演或处于圈养环境中，在那里他们可以从这些鲸鱼身上赚钱。
We couldn't do that.
我们不能那样做。
So we're going to have to build a place.
所以我们必须建造一个地方。
And that's just a step one.
这只是第一步。
The bill for that alone would probably be millions of dollars, and then they'd have to spend years and millions more teaching him the most basic ocean survival skills and pray that some of those lessons took.
仅此一项的费用就可能是数百万美元，然后他们必须花费数年和数百万美元来教他最基本的海洋生存技能，并祈祷其中一些课程能够得到。
Keiko had lived in the care of humans and without his family since he was around two, missing out on years of life in a pod, years of company and hunting and language and what I can only think of as camaraderie, the kind of social environment that makes a killer whale a killer whale.
惠子从两岁左右起就生活在人类的照顾下，没有家人陪伴，错过了多年的圈养生活、多年的陪伴、狩猎和语言，以及我只能认为是友情的东西，正是那种使虎鲸成为虎鲸的社会环境。
He had millions of human fans, but not a single orca friend.
他拥有数以百万计的人类粉丝，但没有一个逆戟鲸朋友。
There were so many things he'd never learned.
有很多东西他从来没有学过。
Not only did Keiko not know how to hunt for food, he didn't know how to eat live fish.
惠子不仅不知道如何寻找食物，也不知道如何吃活鱼。
Think about that.
想想看。
If you put a live fish in his mouth, this killer whale wouldn't eat it.
如果你把一条活鱼放入它的嘴里，它就不会吃它。
And language, Keiko had stopped making most of the sounds in a wild whale's repertoire years before.
至于语言，惠子几年前就已经停止发出野生鲸鱼的大部分声音。
Pods have different dialects, and it was unlikely Keiko even remembered the dialect he spoke before his capture.
豆荚有不同的方言，惠子不太可能记得他被捕前所说的方言。
This was crucially important to his survival.
这对于他的生存至关重要。
Orcas very rarely live alone in the open ocean, so if he was to make it out there, Dave knew Keiko would have to be integrated into a pod, his original pod, preferably.
逆戟鲸很少单独生活在公海中，所以戴夫知道，如果他要在那里生存，惠子就必须融入一个吊舱，最好是他原来的吊舱。
But if he didn't speak their language, that was going to be difficult.
但如果他不会说他们的语言，那就很困难了。
And then there was the small detail that no one knew for certain which pod that might be, or where to find them-- somewhere in the North Atlantic, near Iceland, presumably.
还有一个小细节，没有人确切知道可能是哪个豆荚，或者在哪里可以找到它们——大概是在北大西洋的某个地方，靠近冰岛。
How are we going to get him back to Iceland?
我们怎样才能把他送回冰岛？
It's a whaling nation.
这是一个捕鲸国家。
Are you kidding me?
你在开玩笑吧？
What, we're going to go over to Iceland and convince them that we want to bring back this whale because the world wants to save him?
什么，我们要去冰岛并说服他们我们想要带回这头鲸鱼，因为世界想要拯救它？
Did you do a back-of-the-envelope "what's this going to cost" thing on the plane back?
你在回程的飞机上是否做过简单的“这要花多少钱”的事情？
Yeah, exactly, before even, while I was down there, and on the way back.
是的，完全正确，甚至之前，当我在那里的时候，以及回来的路上。
I lined it out.
我把它列出来了。
I was way over $10 million.
我的身价远远超过1000万美元。
And at that point, I pretty much just stashed it back in my pack, saying, I don't know about this.
那时，我几乎只是把它藏回我的包里，说，我不知道这件事。
It's just-- we're not used to things with six figures behind it.
只是——我们不习惯后面有六位数字的东西。
I can see about 10 impossible steps here.
我在这里看到大约 10 个不可能的步骤。
So 10 impossible steps, at least.
至少有 10 个不可能的步骤。
But let's be real.
但让我们面对现实吧。
For Dave, it was also one giant opportunity.
对于戴夫来说，这也是一个巨大的机会。
Up until this point, Dave had been thinking about Keiko the way everyone in the world was thinking about Keiko-- as one individual killer whale in need of saving.
到目前为止，戴夫一直在以世界上每个人对惠子的思考方式思考惠子——作为一只需要拯救的虎鲸个体。
But what if he allowed himself to see it differently?
但如果他允许自己以不同的方式看待事情呢？
He'd experienced firsthand the hold that whales had over people at anti-whaling marches across the world.
他在世界各地的反捕鲸游行中亲身经历了鲸鱼对人类的控制。
He'd seen the power that media campaigns could wield with the Save the Whales movement.
他看到了媒体宣传活动在拯救鲸鱼运动中所发挥的力量。
This could be something much bigger.
这可能是更大的事情。
What if Keiko, the individual, could become Keiko the symbol?
如果惠子这个个体能够成为惠子的象征呢？
What if you could use Keiko to tell a story about the ocean itself?
如果你可以用 Keiko 来讲述一个关于海洋本身的故事会怎么样？
You talk about trying to protect all the oceans and that those are the big issues.
您谈到要努力保护所有海洋，这些都是大问题。
Those are the big, huge, unsolvable problems-- global warming, et cetera.
这些都是巨大的、巨大的、无法解决的问题——全球变暖等等。
But they're so diffuse.
但它们是如此分散。
People can't see acidification rising in the oceans.
人们看不到海洋酸化的加剧。
They can't see the coral reefs dying out most of the time.
他们大多数时候都看不到珊瑚礁的消亡。
They're not seeing it.
他们没有看到它。
It's too broad to say the oceans are dying.
说海洋正在消亡的范围太宽泛了。
There are no grab points.
没有抓点。
There are no things to manifest what's at risk.
没有任何事情可以表明存在风险。
But whales are one of the things that it's just so otherworldly, so majestic, just incredibly, amazingly intelligent, social, powerful.
但鲸鱼是一种如此超凡脱俗、如此雄伟、令人难以置信、令人惊讶的智慧、社会性和强大的生物。
And that means something.
这意味着一些事情。
It hits people in a different way than talking about the threats to the ocean ecosystems.
它以不同于谈论海洋生态系统威胁的方式给人们带来冲击。
And then that's what got me over my own view that this is only one whale.
这就是我自己认为这只是一只鲸鱼的原因。
It's like, yeah, he's one whale, but he's going to be the most famous or he could be the most famous whale in the world.
就像，是的，他是一只鲸鱼，但他将成为最著名的鲸鱼，或者他可能是世界上最著名的鲸鱼。
And Dave knew you could do a lot with that kind of star power, with that kind of attention.
戴夫知道，凭借这种明星效应和关注度，你可以做很多事情。
So he set aside his doubts and decided that, yes, as absurd as it sounded, he was all in.
于是他放下疑虑，决定，是的，尽管听起来很荒谬，但他全力以赴。
Once they've committed to getting Keiko out of Mexico, the next step was logistics.
一旦他们承诺将惠子带出墨西哥，下一步就是后勤工作。
And what I'm about to say is pretty obvious, but it's worth saying anyway-- moving an orca is not easy.
我要说的很明显，但无论如何还是值得说的——移动逆戟鲸并不容易。
One of the first things Dave did was create a whole new organization, the Free Willy Keiko Foundation.
戴夫做的第一件事就是创建一个全新的组织：自由威利惠子基金会。
The US Humane Society chipped in a million dollars.
美国人道协会捐款一百万美元。
Dave secured a couple million more from a billionaire cell phone magnate.
戴夫从一位亿万富翁手机巨头那里又获得了几百万美元。
Warner Brothers also agreed to put in $2 million, which sounds like a lot until you consider they made $150 million on Free Willy.
华纳兄弟公司也同意投资 200 万美元，这听起来似乎很多，但考虑到他们在《威利之威》中赚了 1.5 亿美元。
And by this point, the sequel, Free Willy 2, was already in production.
此时，续集《Free Willy 2》已经投入制作。
Still, with that money, Dave was able to convince a small marine park in Oregon to let the foundation build them a new, much bigger pool just for Keiko.
尽管如此，戴夫还是用这笔钱说服了俄勒冈州的一个小型海洋公园，让基金会为惠子建造一个新的、更大的游泳池。
And so now, all Dave needed was the whale, which you might assume would be the hard part, given that Keiko was the main attraction at Reino Aventura.
所以现在，戴夫所需要的只是鲸鱼，你可能会认为这是最困难的部分，因为惠子是雷诺阿文图拉的主要景点。
But it turned out that Oscar Porter, the director of Reino Aventura, wasn't opposed to the idea of giving him up.
但事实证明，《雷诺冒险》的导演奥斯卡·波特并不反对放弃他的想法。
He had a whole park to run, and managing his most famous attraction had become an all-consuming headache.
他要经营整个公园，管理他最著名的景点已经成为一件令人头疼的事情。
There were journalists and activists to deal with, Mexican television stars and singers calling to arrange private swims with Keiko.
有记者和活动人士需要应对，墨西哥电视明星和歌手打电话要求安排与惠子的私人游泳。
Porter told me he was spending three hours a day dealing with Keiko-related nonsense-- which is a lot, sure, but most worrying of all was what some of the outside veterinarians were saying, that Keiko might die soon.
波特告诉我，他每天要花三个小时处理与惠子相关的废话——当然，这个数字很多，但最令人担忧的是一些外部兽医所说的，惠子可能很快就会死去。
Porter really didn't want that to happen at Reino Aventura.
波特真的不希望雷诺阿文图拉发生这种事。
So over the course of several months, Dave and Oscar Porter made a deal.
经过几个月的时间，戴夫和奥斯卡·波特达成了一项协议。
Reino Aventura agreed to donate Keiko to Dave's foundation for free.
Reino Aventura 同意将 Keiko 免费捐赠给 Dave 基金会。
Today, we are proud to announce that we have reached agreement on a formal plan, a workable plan.
今天，我们很自豪地宣布，我们已经就一项正式计划、一项可行的计划达成一致。
In February 1995, it was announced to the world that Keiko would be leaving Reino Aventura for his new temporary home at an aquarium on the Oregon Coast in an enormous new tank with cold seawater.
1995 年 2 月，Keiko 向全世界宣布，他将离开 Reino Aventura，前往位于俄勒冈海岸的一家水族馆的新临时住所，该住所位于一个装有冰冷海水的巨大新水箱中。
Dave laid out a vision for Keiko's future, invoking the plot to Free Willy 2, which would hit theaters a few months later.
戴夫（Dave）为惠子（Keiko）的未来制定了愿景，并引用了几个月后上映的《威利威利 2》（Free Willy 2）的情节。
And in that film, Willy is reunited with a mate and has a child and lives happily.
在那部电影中，威利与伴侣重聚，并有了孩子，生活幸福。
This is our goal.
这是我们的目标。
We would love to see the situation in which Keiko could have a mate and could be able to eventually be released to the wild.
我们很高兴看到惠子能够拥有伴侣并最终能够被释放到野外。
Rescue, rehab, release.
救援、康复、释放。
That was Dave's ultimate plan, even if the last part seemed improbable at best.
这就是戴夫的最终计划，尽管最后一部分充其量看起来不太可能。
For Keiko's trainer Renata and many of the staff that worked closely with Keiko, the decision to let him leave was heartbreaking, even if they knew it was the right one.
对于惠子的教练雷娜塔和许多与惠子密切合作的员工来说，让他离开的决定令人心碎，即使他们知道这是正确的决定。
Giving him up was a kind of noble, even maternal, sacrifice.
放弃他是一种崇高的、甚至是母性的牺牲。
That's how Renata saw it, which, of course, didn't make it hurt any less.
雷娜塔就是这么看的，当然，这并没有减轻她的痛苦。
Goodbyes are like that, especially when you can't explain what the future holds.
告别就是这样，尤其是当你无法解释未来会发生什么的时候。
You feel guilty, like you're betraying a friend.
你感到内疚，就像背叛了朋友一样。
And across Mexico, a lot of people were feeling this way.
在墨西哥各地，很多人都有这种感觉。
They wanted him to stay.
他们希望他留下来。
They wished he could stay.
他们希望他能留下来。
But letting him go was a sacrifice they were willing to make because they loved him, and they wanted what was best for him.
但让他离开是他们愿意做出的牺牲，因为他们爱他，他们想要对他最好的东西。
Which is why it was so offensive to Renata and many others I talked to, to hear how the story was being told in the US, that Keiko was being saved from a terrible life in Mexico.
这就是为什么雷娜塔和我采访过的许多其他人在美国如何讲述这个故事时感到非常反感，因为惠子在墨西哥的可怕生活中被拯救了。
Do you feel like there was an element of like, ah, Mexico-- you know how things are down there.
你是否觉得有一种元素，啊，墨西哥——你知道那里的情况是怎样的。
Of course.
当然。
It's like, yeah, we have to always help the little brother because he does everything wrong.
就像，是的，我们必须始终帮助弟弟，因为他做的每件事都是错的。
I'm not saying-- I don't want to say-- that this is the best place for an animal, obviously.
显然，我并不是说——我不想说——这对动物来说是最好的地方。
But I'm trying to say that when he was there, he got a lot of attention.
但我想说的是，当他在那里时，他得到了很多关注。
I mean, he got all the attention.
我的意思是，他吸引了所有的注意力。
We would all the time play.
我们会一直玩。
And he would love that, absolutely love that.
他会喜欢那个，绝对喜欢那个。
We did the best we could.
我们已经尽力了。
We hired the best people.
我们聘请了最优秀的人才。
We wanted the best for Keiko.
我们希望惠子得到最好的。
And we donated Keiko without receiving nothing, not one cent in return.
我们捐赠了惠子，但没有得到任何回报，没有得到一分钱的回报。
A few days before Keiko was scheduled to leave Mexico, the Reino Aventura staff threw him one last party, a kind of final spring break bash.
在 Keiko 计划离开墨西哥的前几天，Reino Aventura 的工作人员为他举办了最后一场派对，一种最后的春假狂欢。
Everyone was invited-- current trainers, former staff, all of Keiko's friends, his extended human pod.
每个人都被邀请了——现任教练、前员工、惠子所有的朋友、他的扩展人类舱。
So we were like 30 people in this place.
所以我们这个地方大约有 30 个人。
And in the dolphinarium, we made a big lunch.
在海豚馆，我们做了一顿丰盛的午餐。
And then we all got into the water, and we all played with Keiko.
然后我们都下水了，我们都和惠子一起玩。
And there was a lot of crying.
还有很多人哭了。
And I mean, it was fun, and Keiko was so happy.
我的意思是，这很有趣，惠子很高兴。
And he would play with all of them.
他会和他们所有人一起玩。
Wait a second.
等一下。
So you're telling me that 30 people got in the pool with Keiko at the same time to play?
所以你是说有 30 个人和 Keiko 同时进入泳池玩？
Yes.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, you would never get this in SeaWorld or Marineland or any other aquarium in the world.
我的意思是，你永远不会在海洋世界、海洋世界或世界上任何其他水族馆里看到这个。
If you tell this to a veterinarian from these huge aquariums, they would tell you that that's not a good idea because, I mean, the animal gets stressed or-- I mean, I don't know what would they say.
如果你把这个告诉这些巨大水族馆的兽医，他们会告诉你这不是一个好主意，因为，我的意思是，动物会感到压力，或者——我的意思是，我不知道他们会说什么。
But he was so happy.
但他很高兴。
He was so happy.
他很高兴。
On January 6, 1996, it was time for Keiko to go.
1996年1月6日，惠子该走了。
They decided to move him in the middle of the night for a few reasons-- to avoid the heat and the traffic, but also the crowds that were sure to want to say their goodbyes.
他们决定在半夜转移他，原因有几个——一方面是为了避开炎热和交通拥堵，另一方面也是为了避开那些肯定想要告别的人群。
Moving any object as big as a killer whale is an engineering problem, but when that object is a living thing, there's an added complication.
移动任何像虎鲸一样大的物体都是一个工程问题，但当该物体是生物时，就会变得更加复杂。
Getting Keiko out of Reino Aventura and onto a plane would depend in no small measure on the cooperation of Keiko himself, and that required training.
让惠子离开Reino Aventura并登上飞机在很大程度上取决于惠子本人的配合，而这需要培训。
For months, they'd worked on it with him.
几个月来，他们和他一起研究这个问题。
First, he'd swim into a small, shallow pool and then into a custom-made sling, swimming in and out of it, weeks spent just getting comfortable with this process.
首先，他会游进一个小而浅的水池，然后进入一个定制的吊带，游进游出，花了几周的时间才适应这个过程。
He had to be comfortable because once he was in that sling, he'd stay wrapped in it for at least 14 hours.
他必须感到舒服，因为一旦戴上吊带，他就会被包裹至少 14 个小时。
The challenge would be to keep him calm.
挑战在于让他保持冷静。
He had to trust his humans, not fight or flail.
他必须信任他的人类，而不是战斗或连枷。
Trust.
相信。
The night of the move, it's noisy and chaotic.
搬家当晚，喧闹混乱。
I've seen the videos, and it's just manic.
我看过这些视频，这简直太疯狂了。
It doesn't look like an aquarium or even an amusement park.
它看起来不像水族馆，甚至不像游乐园。
It looks like a construction site.
它看起来像一个建筑工地。
All this movement and whirring of motors and beeps and shouting and lights.
所有这些运动、电机的呼呼声、蜂鸣声、喊叫声和灯光。
Renata stayed close to Keiko, touching him close to his eyes so he could see her.
雷娜塔靠近惠子，靠近他的眼睛，这样他就能看到她。
But when it was time for him to swim into the shallow pool where the sling awaited him, he refused, and there was nothing they could do to persuade him.
但当他游进浅水池时，吊索正在等待他，他拒绝了，他们也无法说服他。
Finally, a dozen people in wetsuits encircled him with a net and pulled him into place.
最后，十几个人穿着潜水服，用网把他围住，把他拉到位。
In the shallow pool, Renata and the other trainer dried him off before applying moisturizer all over his body-- actually, the same stuff you might put on a baby to protect from diaper rash.
在浅水池里，雷娜塔和另一位训练员给他擦干身体，然后给他全身涂抹保湿霜——实际上，这和你给婴儿涂上的防止尿布疹的东西是一样的。
You need his skin to be protected.
你需要保护他的皮肤。
So we were rubbing thick, thick cream all over his body.
所以我们在他的全身涂抹了厚厚的奶油。
And we would be talking to him the whole time, the whole time.
我们会一直和他说话。
But I was just thinking about him and how nervous he was getting.
但我只是在想他以及他有多紧张。
So he started crying a little bit because he was nervous, and everybody was so nervous.
所以他开始哭了，因为他很紧张，每个人都很紧张。
And you can transfer that to Keiko, obviously.
显然，你可以将其转移给 Keiko。
So there are moments where you're just hoping that he just relaxes.
所以有时候你只是希望他能放松一下。
Once Keiko was in the sling, it was attached to a crane that lifted him out of the pool and placed him in a shipping container filled with 3,000 pounds of fresh water ice.
Keiko 装上吊带后，吊带就被连接到起重机上，将他从泳池中吊起，并将其放入装满 3,000 磅淡水冰的集装箱中。
The container sat on the back of a tractor trailer, ready for the hour or so drive across the city to the airport.
集装箱放在拖拉机拖车的后面，准备在一个小时左右的时间内穿过城市到达机场。
Once there, it would be loaded onto a giant cargo plane.
一旦到达那里，它就会被装载到一架巨型货机上。
David convinced UPS to deliver Keiko to Oregon for free.
大卫说服 UPS 将 Keiko 免费运送到俄勒冈州。
When the caravan finally left, there were crowds, more than they'd expected-- ordinary people who loved this killer whale, whole families, children who dragged their parents out in the middle of the night to say goodbye, all gathered just outside the gates of the Reino Aventura parking lot, so many that police had to move them just so the caravan could pass.
当车队最终离开时，人群比他们预想的还要多——热爱这头虎鲸的普通人、全家人、半夜拖着父母出去告别的孩子，都聚集在雷诺阿文图拉停车场的大门外，人数太多，以至于警察不得不将他们转移，以便车队通过。
And they soon discovered it wasn't just at the gates that the crowds had gathered.
他们很快发现人群不仅仅聚集在门口。
It was everywhere.
它无处不在。
I've talked to a lot of people who were there that night, lining the streets, desperate to say their farewells.
我和那天晚上在场的很多人交谈过，他们站在街道两旁，急切地想要告别。
One person told me the only thing he could compare it to was the time the Pope visited Mexico City.
一个人告诉我，他唯一可以比较的就是教皇访问墨西哥城的那次。
The route to the airport was supposed to be secret, but that's not how it worked out.
去机场的路线本来应该是秘密的，但事实并非如此。
Reporters kept the city abreast of the caravan's progress.
记者向该市通报了车队的进展情况。
There were thousands of people lining the streets--
街道两旁站满了数千人——
Keiko!
惠子！
Keiko!
惠子！
Daniel Alarcón --boys in their pajamas carrying handwritten signs and girls in pigtails carrying Mexican flags, teens shouting and calling Keiko's name.
丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔（Daniel Alarcón）——穿着睡衣的男孩举着手写的标语，扎着辫子的女孩举着墨西哥国旗，十几岁的孩子们大声喊着惠子的名字。
You have to wonder if the whale could hear them chanting, [SPANISH].
你一定想知道鲸鱼是否能听到他们吟诵，[西班牙语]。
"He should stay.
“他应该留下来。
He should stay."
他应该留下来。”
Then, somewhere along the slow, ponderous route to the airport, there was a mariachi band playing an old song about a loved one's goodbye, "Las Golondrinas." "Where can the tired swallow go?" say the lyrics.
然后，在通往机场的缓慢而沉重的路线上的某个地方，有一支墨西哥流浪乐队正在演奏一首关于亲人告别的老歌“Las Golondrinas”。 “疲惫的燕子能去哪里呢？”说歌词。
"Tossed by the wind with nowhere to hide.
“被风吹得无处可躲。
Remember my homeland, beloved pilgrim, and cry."
记住我的祖国，亲爱的朝圣者，哭泣吧。”
[SIRENS WAILING] Cars and mopeds follow the procession, drivers waving, honking their horns.
[警报声]汽车和轻便摩托车跟随在游行队伍后面，司机们挥手按喇叭。
[HORNS HONKING] Honestly, it's a little bit mad-- the emotion on people's faces, the palpable sense of loss.
[喇叭鸣响]老实说，这有点疯狂——人们脸上的情感，明显的失落感。
Dave says some people had to be peeled off Keiko's container as they tried to climb it.
戴夫说，有些人试图爬上惠子的集装箱，结果不得不被从上面剥下来。
The procession just creeps along as best they can, through the impossibly crowded late night streets.
游行队伍尽最大努力缓慢前行，穿过深夜拥挤不堪的街道。
A city, a country saying goodbye to its beloved whale.
一座城市，一个国家正在告别它心爱的鲸鱼。
We would see all these people on the street with signs.
我们会在街上看到所有这些人都举着标语。
I just want to cry just remembering about it.
我一想起这件事就想哭。
And people waving and crying and screaming goodbye.
人们挥手、哭泣、尖叫着告别。
It was so, so emotional.
真是太感人了。
I was sad and happy at the same time because we're all doing this because we hope he's going to be OK.
我既悲伤又高兴，因为我们这样做是因为我们希望他一切都好。
But it was for Mexicans to say goodbye to the only obviously orca that they would ever have.
但墨西哥人却要告别他们所拥有的唯一明显的逆戟鲸。
[SNIFFLES]
[抽鼻子]
Daniel Alarcón The UPS plane carrying Keiko to his new home leaves at around 5:00 in the morning, more than three hours behind schedule, just before a beautiful Mexican sunrise.
Daniel Alarcón 载着 Keiko 前往新家的 UPS 飞机于早上 5:00 左右起飞，比原计划晚了三个多小时，正好赶上墨西哥美丽的日出。
Only Keiko's veterinarians fly with him.
只有惠子的兽医与他一起飞行。
Renata and Dave fly alongside in another aircraft, close enough to see Keiko's plane from their window.
雷娜塔和戴夫乘坐另一架飞机并肩飞行，距离足够近，从窗户可以看到惠子的飞机。
Keiko no longer belonged to Reino Aventura, and much less to Mexico.
Keiko 不再属于 Reino Aventura，更不用说属于墨西哥了。
He belonged to the story being told about him, the uncertain real-life sequel to the movie that had made him a star, only more far-fetched and with no happy ending assured.
他属于关于他的故事，这是一部使他成为明星的电影的不确定的现实生活续集，只是更加牵强，而且没有确定的幸福结局。
It's kind of funny because it was part of the movie narrative.
这很有趣，因为它是电影叙事的一部分。
They were like, how far would you go for a whale?
他们问，你愿意为了鲸鱼走多远？
He went as far as raising up his arm and saying some magical words and having Willy jump over the breakwater into freedom.
他甚至举起手臂说了一些神奇的话，让威利跳过防波堤重获自由。
I mean, simplistic, yes, but that's what our narrative was, too.
我的意思是，是的，很简单，但这也是我们的叙述。
How far could Keiko go?
惠子能走多远？
For the moment, no one knew.
目前，没有人知道。
Ira Glass Daniel Alarcón, host of the new podcast series, The Good Whale.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 丹尼尔·阿拉尔孔 (Daniel Alarcón)，新播客系列《好鲸鱼》的主持人。
Of course, as the story unfolds, we hear exactly how far they go to help Keiko.
当然，随着故事的展开，我们确切地听到了他们为帮助惠子做了多少努力。
The series is produced by Serial Productions and The New York Times.
该剧由 Serial Productions 和《纽约时报》制作。
You can hear episode 2 right now, wherever you get your podcasts.
无论您在何处获取播客，您现在都可以收听第 2 集。
The New York Times subscribers can hear the entire series right now, including episode 5, which is the episode that is a musical, like an old-school musical from Keiko's point of view, created by the songwriters who did La La Land and Dear Evan Hansen, Benj Pasek and Justin Paul, sung by Jordan Fisher and other actual Broadway stars.
《纽约时报》的订阅者现在可以听到整个系列，包括第五集，这是一部音乐剧，从 Keiko 的角度来看就像一部老式音乐剧，由《爱乐之城》和《亲爱的埃文·汉森》、本吉·帕塞克和贾斯汀·保罗的歌曲作者创作，由乔丹·费舍尔和其他真正的百老汇明星演唱。
Daniel also did a Spanish language version of episode 1 that you can hear on Radio Ambulante.
丹尼尔还制作了第一集的西班牙语版本，您可以在 Radio Ambulante 上听到。
Coming up, some other animals get thrown into show business, and they don't seem to be so crazy about it.
接下来，其他一些动物也会被投入演艺界，但它们似乎对此并不那么着迷。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, The Truly Incredible Story of Keiko the Killer Whale.
今天的节目是虎鲸惠子真正不可思议的故事。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, "America's Next Top Gobble."
第二幕，“美国的下一个顶级吞噬者”。
So thinking about what kind of story would go with Keiko today, we found this one, also about our dominion over animals' fates.
所以思考今天惠子会发生什么样的故事，我们发现了这个，也是关于我们对动物命运的主宰。
In this case, it's a bunch of birds who are going through months of training for an extremely specific task that is very different from anything they naturally do on their own.
在这种情况下，一群鸟正在接受几个月的训练，以完成一项极其具体的任务，这与它们自然地自己做的任何事情都非常不同。
Diane Wu has the story.
吴黛安有故事。
There's this barn in Southeastern Minnesota I want to tell you about.
我想向您介绍位于明尼苏达州东南部的这个谷仓。
On the outside, it's very plain.
从外面看，非常简单。
It's white, next to a field, smells a little like skunk.
它是白色的，旁边是一片田地，闻起来有点像臭鼬。
But inside, there's this whole project that's been going on for months now.
但在内部，整个项目已经进行了几个月。
Should I shut this door?
我应该关上这扇门吗？
John Zimmerman Yeah, you can.
约翰·齐默尔曼 是的，你可以。
OK.
好的。
Oh, here they are.
哦，他们在这里。
John Zimmerman Yeah.
约翰·齐默尔曼 是的。
Yeah, so this is where we're raising the presidential flock.
是的，这就是我们培养总统团队的地方。
[TURKEYS GOBBLING] Diane Wu This is the group of birds contending to be the special Thanksgiving turkeys at the White House.
[火鸡狼吞虎咽] Diane Wu 这是一群争相成为白宫感恩节特别火鸡的鸟儿。
Two of them will be selected to go to Washington and be officially pardoned by the president.
其中两人将被选去华盛顿并得到总统的正式赦免。
It's an annual tradition going back decades, organized by the Turkey Lobby.
这是由土耳其游说团体组织的一项可以追溯到几十年前的年度传统。
The person showing me around today is John Zimmerman, who's raising these birds, with the help of his shy nine-year-old son, Grant.
今天带我参观的是约翰·齐默尔曼 (John Zimmerman)，他在害羞的九岁儿子格兰特 (Grant) 的帮助下饲养这些鸟。
To decide which turkeys make it to the White House, John is basically selecting for the ones that act least like a turkey.
为了决定哪些火鸡能进入白宫，约翰基本上是在选择那些行为最不像火鸡的火鸡。
He needs two that can stand politely on a special stage while voices boom out over loudspeakers, all in front of hundreds of people-- schoolchildren, photographers, military band.
他需要两个人能够礼貌地站在一个特殊的舞台上，同时声音通过扩音器大声传出，所有这些都在数百人面前——小学生、摄影师、军乐队。
Most commercial turkeys would freak out in this noisy, unfamiliar, unbarn-like environment.
大多数商业火鸡在这种嘈杂、陌生、不像谷仓的环境中都会惊慌失措。
Well, I mean, turkeys are a prey animal.
嗯，我的意思是，火鸡是一种被捕食动物。
[TURKEYS GOBBLING] Their natural instinct is to be afraid of us humans, any other animal, because they would normally be killed and eaten.
[火鸡狼吞虎咽]它们的本能是害怕我们人类，任何其他动物，因为它们通常会被杀死和吃掉。
So--
所以——
John's an industry lifer.
约翰是一位行业终身人士。
He grew up on a turkey farm and took over the family business 25 years ago when his dad passed away.
他在一个火鸡农场长大，25 年前父亲去世后他接管了家族企业。
Each year, John raises around 140,000 birds in many giant barns.
每年，约翰都会在许多巨型谷仓中饲养大约 140,000 只鸟。
These presidential turkeys are a brand new thing for him, though.
不过，这些总统火鸡对他来说是全新的事物。
He's the chairman of the National Turkey Federation.
他是全国火鸡联合会主席。
And the way it works is that every year, that's the person who's in charge of raising these presidential turkeys and taking them to the White House.
它的运作方式是，每年都有一个人负责饲养这些总统火鸡并将它们带到白宫。
But being chairman is only a one-year gig.
但担任董事长只是一年的工作。
So every chairman is in the situation of being a total novice at training turkeys to be on television, something turkeys have no interest in or talent for at all.
因此，每位主席在训练火鸡上电视方面都处于完全新手的境地，而火鸡对此根本没有兴趣或天赋。
And they get exactly one shot to get it right, right in front of the president of the United States.
他们只有一击机会就能把事情做好，就在美国总统面前。
I don't want to go down in history as the turkey farmer who had a turkey fly in the president's face, or get away, or act in an uncontrollable manner.
我不想作为火鸡农民载入史册，因为他的火鸡飞到了总统的脸上，或者逃跑，或者行为失控。
So I just don't want to have a flappy turkey up there.
所以我只是不想在那里有一只飞扬的火鸡。
He's been watching lots of YouTube videos of previous White House turkey pardonings, trying to anticipate everything that can go wrong.
他一直在观看大量有关此前白宫赦免火鸡的 YouTube 视频，试图预测所有可能出现问题的情况。
The birds that don't get taken to the White House get put back in with the regular turkeys and then slaughtered.
没有被带到白宫的火鸡会被放回普通火鸡中，然后被宰杀。
It's an avian Hunger Games in here.
这是一场鸟类的饥饿游戏。
And whoever wins will be basically the only two commercial turkeys in America, out of over 200 million raised each year, who get to live.
无论谁获胜，基本上都是美国每年饲养的 2 亿多只商业火鸡中唯一能够存活下来的两只。
We've got 29 left.
我们还剩 29 个。
Diane Wu OK.
吴黛安 好的。
Out of how many did you start with?
你从多少个开始？
I started with about 40.
我一开始大约有40个。
Diane Wu OK.
吴黛安 好的。
And how did you choose the 11 so far that have been, I guess, deselected?
到目前为止，我想，您是如何选择 11 个被取消选择的？
[CHUCKLES] Yes, one had a scratch on its head.
[轻笑]是的，其中一个的头上有划痕。
One was kind of flighty, I'll say.
我得说，其中一个有点轻浮。
When we tried to pick it up, it just didn't want to have anything to do with it.
当我们试图捡起它时，它只是不想与它有任何关系。
So, I mean, if they weren't as docile as others, we took some out.
所以，我的意思是，如果它们不像其他人那么温顺，我们就会剔除一些。
One was a hen.
其中一只是一只母鸡。
So when we got them from the hatchery, we wanted all males.
因此，当我们从孵化场取出它们时，我们想要所有雄性。
Obviously, they missed one.
显然，他们错过了一个。
So one was a hen, so obviously she wasn't going to go.
其中一只是母鸡，所以显然她不会去。
Apparently female turkeys share the same problem as female women in this country, in terms of getting to the White House.
显然，在进入白宫方面，雌性火鸡与这个国家的女性有着同样的问题。
The males are the only ones anyone considers because they strut, which, in a turkey, means they puff up their chests, their snoods and waddles turn bright red, and their tail feathers spread out like a peacock's.
雄性是人们唯一关注的对象，因为它们昂首阔步，对火鸡来说，这意味着它们挺起胸膛，它们的围脖和摇摇晃晃的尾巴变成鲜红色，它们的尾羽像孔雀的羽毛一样展开。
By the way, I was surprised to see that all of these turkeys are white, not brown.
顺便说一句，我很惊讶地发现所有这些火鸡都是白色的，而不是棕色的。
John tells me it's because brown feathers left dark spots in the skin, which people didn't like.
约翰告诉我，这是因为棕色羽毛会在皮肤上留下黑斑，人们不喜欢这种情况。
He points over at a turkey with big snood energy.
他指着一只精力旺盛的火鸡。
And he's strutting full bore.
他神气十足。
He's very dark red on his neck.
他脖子上的颜色非常暗红色。
He's the picturesque Thanksgiving bird right there.
他是那只风景如画的感恩节鸟。
And how do you read his energy?
你如何解读他的能量？
Like, is he feeling aggressive?
比如，他感到有攻击性吗？
Is he feeling calm?
他心情平静吗？
A lot of it's physiologically looking for a mate.
很多都是在生理上寻找伴侣。
So he's--
所以他是——
Are you recording right now?
你现在在录音吗？
He's horny.
他很饥渴。
I mean, that's-- yeah, they're males.
我的意思是，是的，他们是男性。
They're looking for a mate.
他们正在寻找伴侣。
They're trying to be the big guy on the beach.
他们正试图成为海滩上的大人物。
That's what they're doing.
这就是他们正在做的事情。
This kind of strut is exactly what John is hoping two exceptional turkeys can bring to the White House.
这种昂首阔步的态度正是约翰希望两只出色的火鸡能够给白宫带来的。
So he's outfitted the barn into a sort of South Lawn boot camp.
所以他把谷仓改造成了南草坪新兵训练营。
He and Grant give me a tour.
他和格兰特带我参观了。
First, to get the turkeys used to noise and random human voices, John plays the radio for them every day, from dawn to dusk.
首先，为了让火鸡习惯噪音和随机的人声，约翰每天从黎明到黄昏为它们播放收音机。
This is a tip he got from previous chairmen.
这是他从前任主席那里得到的提示。
Alexa, play Power 96.
Alexa，播放 Power 96。
[TURKEYS GOBBLING]
[火鸡狼吞虎咽]
Grant corrects his dad.
格兰特纠正了他的父亲。
Power 96 radio, he's saying.
Power 96 收音机，他说。
They don't like the station.
他们不喜欢这个车站。
They knows what I want.
他们知道我想要什么。
Alexa, off.
亚历克斯，走开。
Alexa, play Power 96 radio.
Alexa，播放 Power 96 广播。
We'll go classic rock.
我们会选择经典摇滚。
They've been raised on classic rock.
他们是在经典摇滚环境下长大的。
Yeah.
是的。
[LAUGHS] Diane Wu Next, John got this special light off of Amazon, the kind that projects colored patterns onto your house at Christmas.
[笑] Diane Wu 接下来，约翰从亚马逊买了这款特殊的灯，就是那种在圣诞节时可以在你的房子上投射彩色图案的灯。
It bothers them a little bit, but that's good.
这让他们有点困扰，但那很好。
They need to get used to flashing lights from camera flashes and whatnot.
他们需要习惯相机闪光灯等的闪光。
Grant marches in with a kid-sized picnic chair and plops it down in the middle of the flock.
格兰特拿着一把儿童尺寸的野餐椅走进来，把它放在羊群中间。
So another thing we'll do, we'll bring a chair in here and we'll just sit.
所以我们要做的另一件事是，我们会搬一把椅子到这里来，然后我们就坐下来。
This is to get them used to being around people.
这是为了让他们习惯与人相处。
John's also enlisted the neighbor kids to come by regularly to sit with the birds and pick them up a lot.
约翰还邀请邻居的孩子定期过来和鸟儿坐在一起，经常捡起它们。
At this point, a few weeks out from Thanksgiving, it all comes down to who's hot.
此时距离感恩节还有几周时间，一切都取决于谁最热门。
The next culling will be for beauty.
下一次的淘汰将是为了美丽。
Obviously, here, we want them to have perfect feathers.
显然，在这里，我们希望它们拥有完美的羽毛。
So we're really watching their tail feathers and how they fan out.
所以我们真的在观察它们的尾羽以及它们如何散开。
That one looks really full.
那个看起来真的很饱满。
It's like a full circle.
就像一个完整的圆圈。
I see three good choices right there.
我在那里看到三个不错的选择。
Three nice tails, yeah.
三个漂亮的尾巴，是的。
Yeah.
是的。
[LAUGHS] My problem has been, talking with other chairmen who've gone through this process, they say, oh, you'll be able to pick the best two, no problem, that it will be very easy to pick the final two.
[笑]我的问题是，与经历过这个过程的其他主席交谈，他们说，哦，你将能够选出最好的两个，没问题，选择最后两个将非常容易。
Now, maybe in the next week or two, the cream will rise to the top, and we'll find the two that are the best.
现在，也许在接下来的一两周内，奶油会上升到顶部，我们会找到最好的两种。
But none of them are jumping out to him yet.
但他们还没有一个人向他跳出来。
There's a test John's going to run on the birds soon.
约翰很快就要对这些鸟进行测试。
He and Grant have built a box to mimic the ones that the turkeys stand on at the South Lawn.
他和格兰特建造了一个盒子来模仿火鸡在南草坪站立的盒子。
And he plans to put each of these birds on the box and see who stays on it the longest.
他计划将每只鸟都放在盒子上，看看谁在盒子上停留的时间最长。
He wants them to hit at least a minute.
他希望他们至少打一分钟。
They did a trial run back in September.
他们在九月份进行了一次试运行。
He shows me the notes.
他给我看了笔记。
This is the team test.
这是团队测试。
So this is how many seconds they were standing on top of the box.
这是他们站在盒子顶部的秒数。
And so their range is like-- John Zimmerman 7 seconds, but then there's a couple--
所以他们的范围就像——约翰·齐默尔曼 7 秒，但还有几个——
One minute and a half.
一分半钟。
Two, two minutes.
两分钟，两分钟。
John goes to get a turkey, and Grant explains how his dad picks it up.
约翰去拿火鸡，格兰特解释了他爸爸是如何捡起它的。
So you grab the legs, put its belly on the ground, and then put your other hand under its belly.
所以你抓住它的腿，把它的肚子放在地上，然后把另一只手放在它的肚子下面。
That one's flapping its wings a bunch.
那一只正在拍打翅膀。
That did not want to get picked up.
那不想被接起。
He's getting a poor grade.
他的成绩很差。
But we'll give him a shot here.
但我们会在这里给他一个机会。
OK, and you set it down.
好的，你把它放下来。
John Zimmerman And now the hope would be that he would just--
约翰·齐默尔曼现在希望他会——
Stand and do nothing.
站着什么也不做。
Just "Hi, people."
只是“嗨，大家好。”
[TURKEYS GOBBLING] Diane Wu What's he doing?
[火鸡狼吞虎咽] Diane Wu 他在做什么？
He's behaving pretty well.
他表现得很好。
I mean, he's not comfortable.
我的意思是，他不舒服。
It would be nice if he would just stand here and strut, but he's obviously a little concerned.
如果他能站在这里趾高气扬就好了，但他显然有点担心。
We watched the bird hunch kind of nervously for 48 seconds.
我们观察了这只鸟紧张地驼背了 48 秒。
He doesn't strut.
他不趾高气扬。
The perfect bird would just want to stand here.
完美的鸟儿只想站在这里。
The whole time I'm talking to John, Grant is quietly running around us, inventing chores for himself.
在我和约翰谈话的整个过程中，格兰特一直在我们身边安静地跑来跑去，为自己安排家务。
He brings in a pumpkin, feeds it to the turkeys, tries to turn on the Christmas lights, keeps picking up different birds, gets a random medal and puts it on one of them, climbs up onto the makeshift stage and squats down, posing as a turkey.
他拿来一个南瓜，喂火鸡，尝试打开圣诞彩灯，不断捡起不同的鸟，随机获得一枚奖牌，戴在其中一只上，爬上临时舞台，蹲下来，摆出一只火鸡的样子。
I get the feeling that he really wants to show me all of this.
我感觉他真的很想向我展示这一切。
He's excited to share his turkey project, but is too shy to say much or directly get my attention.
他很高兴分享他的火鸡项目，但害羞得不敢说太多或直接引起我的注意。
John's going to be bringing Grant to the White House, too, later this month.
本月晚些时候，约翰也将把格兰特带到白宫。
My son is 9, going on 10, at a shy age.
我儿子今年 9 岁，马上就要 10 岁了，还很害羞。
And I expect him to be standing up there with me in front of the cameras.
我希望他能和我一起站在镜头前。
And it is a little bit disconcerting or overwhelming to him.
这对他来说有点令人不安或难以承受。
I don't think he's quite aware of what this experience is going to be.
我认为他不太清楚这次经历将会是什么。
So we're training the turkeys, but we're also, in a way, educating and training my son to be part of this event.
所以我们正在训练火鸡，但在某种程度上，我们也在教育和训练我的儿子参加这次活动。
Part of that training is watching past pardoning ceremonies on YouTube together.
训练的一部分是一起在 YouTube 上观看过去的赦免仪式。
Part of it is getting him to talk to strangers, like me.
部分原因是让他与像我这样的陌生人交谈。
Just getting him used to interacting with adults because he's a nine-year-old boy, and that's not their favorite thing to do always, so.
只是让他习惯与成年人互动，因为他是一个九岁的男孩，而这并不是他们最喜欢做的事情，所以。
Have you been practicing at all, Grant, for the White House ceremony or thinking about how that'll go for you?
格兰特，你有没有在为白宫仪式进行练习，或者考虑一下这对你来说会怎样？
Are turkeys shy, too?
火鸡也害羞吗？
Grant Um, sort of.
格兰特 嗯，有点像。
Depends on what you do to them.
取决于你对他们做了什么。
For the most part, I think they are not very shy.
在大多数情况下，我认为他们并不是很害羞。
If you just stand there, they want to go see, who is this?
如果你只是站在那里，他们就想去看看，这是谁？
Who is this?
这是谁？
They're only shy if-- probably if you're trying to catch one.
只有当你想抓住一只时，它们才会害羞。
But usually they're kind of curious and will eventually come up?
但通常他们会有点好奇，最终会出现吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Diane Wu Are you like that, you think?
吴黛安你觉得你是这样的吗？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
John Zimmerman Yeah.
约翰·齐默尔曼 是的。
It's all about getting acclimated.
这一切都是为了适应。
John's hoping that at the big press conference, when it's time to announce the turkeys' names, Grant will say them.
约翰希望在大型新闻发布会上，当宣布火鸡的名字时，格兰特会说出它们。
The week of Thanksgiving, when I watch all of this, that's the part I'm going to be leaning in for-- not to see whether or not the turkey flaps on the box, but Grant's moment to take the stage and strut, if he wants.
感恩节这一周，当我观看这一切时，这就是我要关注的部分——不是看火鸡是否在盒子上拍打，而是看格兰特上台昂首阔步的时刻，如果他愿意的话。
Diane Wu is one of the producers of our show.
吴黛安是我们节目的制作人之一。
["WHALE" BY YELLOW OSTRICH] Credits Ira Glass Our program was produced today by Sean Cole.
[黄鸵鸟的《鲸鱼》] 鸣谢 Ira Glass 我们的节目今天由 Sean Cole 制作。
The people put together today's show include Phia Bennin, Jendayi Bonds, Michael Comite, Henry Larson, Miki Meek, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, Ryan Rumery, Lilly Sullivan, Frances Swanson, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Julie Whitaker.
今天节目的制作人包括 Phia Bennin、Jendayi Bonds、Michael Comite、Henry Larson、Miki Meek、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson、Ryan Rumery、Lilly Sullivan、Frances Swanson、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Julie Whitaker。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的高级编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Special thanks to Jessica Lussenhop, Michelle Kromm, Peter Gruhl, Marisa Erasmus, and Jason Fields.
特别感谢 Jessica Lussenhop、Michelle Kromm、Peter Gruhl、Marisa Erasmus 和 Jason Fields。
Serial's new series about Keiko, The Good Whale, was co-reported by Daniel Alarcón and Katie Mingle, produced by Katie and Alissa Shipp.
Serial 推出的关于 Keiko 的新剧集《好鲸鱼》由 Daniel Alarcón 和 Katie Mingle 共同报道，由 Katie Shipp 和 Alissa Shipp 制作。
It was edited by Jen Guerra, with help from Julie Snyder, Carlos Lopez Estrada, and myself.
它由 Jen Guerra 编辑，并得到 Julie Snyder、Carlos Lopez Estrada 和我本人的帮助。
Sound design, music supervision, and mixing by Phoebe Wang.
Phoebe Wang 负责声音设计、音乐监督和混音。
Original score from La Chica and Hausmane.
La Chica 和 Hausmane 的原创配乐。
The song "Las Golondrinas" was performed by Mariachi Hidalgo NYC.
歌曲“Las Golondrinas”由纽约街头乐队 Mariachi Hidalgo 演唱。
Research and fact-checking by Jane Ackermann, with help from Ben Phelan.
简·阿克曼 (Jane Ackermann) 在本·费兰 (Ben Phelan) 的帮助下进行了研究和事实核查。
Other people who put together The Good Whale include Ndeye Thiobou, Mack Miller, Liz Davis Moorer, Susan Wessling, Al-Amyn Sumar, and Simone Procas.
《好鲸鱼》的其他创作者包括 Ndeye Thiobou、Mack Miller、Liz Davis Moorer、Susan Wessling、Al-Amyn Sumar 和 Simone Procas。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
A note to our This American Life Partners-- We just released a bonus episode that is a conversation about some very fun, very old stories with producer Zoe Chace.
给《This American Life》合作伙伴的一封信——我们刚刚发布了一个额外剧集，其中是与制片人佐伊·查斯 (Zoe Chace) 讨论一些非常有趣、非常古老的故事的对话。
So check your feeds for that.
因此，请检查您的提要。
To everybody else, to become a Life Partner and get bonus content, ad-free listening, AMAs, and other stuff, go to thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners.
对于其他人，要成为生活伴侣并获得奖励内容、无广告收听、AMA 和其他东西，请访问 thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners。
The link is also in the show notes of this episode.
该链接也在本集的节目笔记中。
Thanks, as always, to our program's confounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的混杂者 Torey Malatia 先生。
He knows his name pops up in my cell phone every time he calls, but still, he opens every single conversation the same way every single time--
他知道每次他打电话时他的名字都会出现在我的手机中，但他每次都以同样的方式打开每一个对话——
This is Dick Donner calling from Hollywood.
我是迪克·唐纳从好莱坞打来的电话。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
["WHALE" BY YELLOW OSTRICH] This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
[YELLOW OSTRICH 的“WHALE”] This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。