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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass Maybe you saw this story in the news earlier this summer.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 也许您在今年夏天早些时候的新闻中看到过这个故事。
A man's getting mauled by a shark, maybe 100 yards out from a beach near San Diego.
距离圣地亚哥附近的海滩大约 100 码处，一名男子被鲨鱼咬伤。
He yells for help, yells "shark." A woman swimming near him also yells.
他大喊救命，大喊“鲨鱼”。一名在他附近游泳的女子也大喊大叫。
And some guys hear it and swim towards the shark attack to rescue him, which they do.
有些人听到了，就游向鲨鱼袭击的地方去救他，他们也这么做了。
He lives.
他还活着。
So, you know, happy ending.
所以，你知道，幸福的结局。
But here's the question.
但问题是这样的。
I couldn't stop thinking about this.
我无法停止思考这个问题。
Who does that?
谁这样做？
Who hears somebody yell "shark" and swims towards the shark?
谁听到有人大喊“鲨鱼”并游向鲨鱼？
What kind of person is that?
那是一个什么样的人呢？
So I work in real estate development for a company that's based out of LA and Brentwood.
我在一家位于洛杉矶和布伦特伍德的公司从事房地产开发工作。
We build apartments, hotels, resorts, offices.
我们建造公寓、酒店、度假村、办公室。
Meet Cameron Whiting, 31, single, newly moved to San Diego.
来认识一下卡梅伦·怀廷 (Cameron Whiting)，31 岁，单身，刚搬到圣地亚哥。
And he was there the morning of the shark attack with a group, the North County Ocean Swimmers, that meets four times a week to swim a mile, mile and a half, or more.
鲨鱼袭击事件发生的那天早上，他和一个名为“北县海洋游泳者”的团体一起在那里，该团体每周聚会四次，游泳一英里、一英里半或更远。
I was out in the water about 100 yards offshore, just past the breaking waves with another swimmer, Kevin Barrett.
我当时正在离岸约 100 码的水中，与另一位游泳者凯文·巴雷特 (Kevin Barrett) 刚刚经过破浪。
And you guys, had you finished your swim for the day?
各位，今天的游泳结束了吗？
Yep.
是的。
We were done with our swim.
我们游完了。
Most of the group had made their way in.
队伍中的大部分人都已经进去了。
Some were in the shower.
有些人正在洗澡。
Some were kind of playing in the waves.
有些人在海浪中玩耍。
Kevin and I were body surfing beyond the break, and that's when we heard the screaming.
凯文和我在休息时间后进行人体冲浪，就在那时我们听到了尖叫声。
How far was it from you?
离你有多远？
Cameron Whiting He was probably 50 to 75 yards from us, so just barely within shouting reach.
卡梅伦·怀廷（Cameron Whiting） 他距离我们大概有 50 到 75 码，所以就在我们喊叫的范围之内。
It was hard for us to hear the screams, but the tone of it was so extreme that we knew something really bad was happening.
我们很难听到尖叫声，但声音如此极端，我们知道发生了非常糟糕的事情。
So this is the moment I wanted to ask you about.
所以这就是我想问你的时刻。
Somebody yells "shark," and then you swim towards the shark.
有人喊“鲨鱼”，然后你游向鲨鱼。
Could you just talk about that moment?
你能谈谈那一刻吗？
Yeah, that's one of the moments that, in the four weeks since this has happened, that I just keep replaying.
是的，这是自这件事发生以来的四个星期里，我不断重播的时刻之一。
And in the moment, everything happens really quickly, and you don't really have a lot of time to psychoanalyze what's going on and what you're feeling.
此刻，一切都发生得很快，你并没有太多时间来精神分析正在发生的事情和你的感受。
You just kind of react on instinct.
你只是本能地做出反应。
But there are a few options in the moment.
但目前有几个选择。
And I think, in the second it happened, first of all, Kevin Barrett, who was next to me, he just took off.
我认为，在这件事发生的那一刻，首先是我旁边的凯文·巴雷特(Kevin Barrett)，他刚刚起飞。
Took off towards the shark, didn't hesitate.
毫不犹豫地向鲨鱼冲去。
But Cameron did hesitate, because Cameron is not only a real estate guy, Cameron is actually this incredible swimmer, the fastest swimmer in this group of ocean swimmers, and also a trained lifeguard who still works as a part-time lifeguard in Los Angeles, where they put you through this rigorous boot camp training, 200 hours over 10 weekends, Lifeguard Academy, including all kinds of ocean rescues.
但卡梅伦确实犹豫了，因为卡梅伦不仅是一个房地产人，卡梅伦实际上是一位令人难以置信的游泳运动员，是这群海洋游泳运动员中游得最快的，也是一名训练有素的救生员，目前仍在洛杉矶担任兼职救生员，在那里他们让你接受严格的新兵训练营训练，10个周末200个小时的救生员学院，包括各种海洋救援。
They taught us in academy that slow is pro.
他们在学院里告诉我们慢就是职业。
Slow is pro.
慢就是亲。
Professionals stop and assess.
专业人士停下来评估。
So yeah, there was that split second.
是的，有那么一瞬间。
But my head was just racing with all the scenarios, and it was, one, we need to make sure somebody is going to get backup.
但我的脑子里充斥着所有的场景，第一，我们需要确保有人得到后援。
Backup.
备份。
He looks to the beach to see if anybody's running to call a medic.
他向海滩望去，看看是否有人跑去叫医生。
Looks like yes.
看起来是的。
On to scenario two, which he was thinking about because he was actually in the middle of getting recertified as a lifeguard.
谈到第二种情况，他正在考虑这种情况，因为他实际上正在重新获得救生员资格。
So it's funny.
所以这很有趣。
You have to watch all these videos, and the video I had just watched the night before was how, as a first responder, you can't swim into-- or you shouldn't respond to an unsafe scene.
你必须观看所有这些视频，而我前一天晚上刚刚观看的视频是如何作为第一响应者，你不能游入 - 或者你不应该对不安全的场景做出反应。
Scene safety is number one.
现场安全是第一位的。
And in fact, through our lifeguard training, they even taught us in the academy manual that if there's a shark attack, you're not supposed to swim into it.
事实上，通过我们的救生员培训，他们甚至在学院手册中告诉我们，如果发生鲨鱼袭击，你不应该游进去。
You're supposed to call your supervisor and wait for help.
您应该致电您的主管并等待帮助。
But that just didn't make sense to me in the moment.
但那一刻对我来说没有意义。
I think the more important thing they taught us is that you have to make a judgment call in those difficult circumstances.
我认为他们教给我们的更重要的事情是，你必须在困难的情况下做出判断。
What's so weird about that is that they're saying, like, use your judgment about whether to go in, but what does that even mean in this situation?
奇怪的是，他们说，比如，用你的判断来决定是否进去，但这在这种情况下意味着什么？
Like, what data could you be using to make a judgment?
例如，您可以使用哪些数据来做出判断？
Yeah, for me, it was just years of experience swimming out there, and I felt comfortable.
是的，对我来说，这只是多年的游泳经验，我感觉很舒服。
I've swum thousands of miles out there in way sharkier waters, and I've never seen or had an issue with a shark.
我在鲨鱼较多的水域游了数千英里，但从未见过鲨鱼，也从未遇到过鲨鱼的问题。
And so, even though there was a shark attack, I've heard that when there are shark attacks, usually they bite you, and they kind of spit you out after they realize you aren't what they wanted to eat.
因此，即使发生了鲨鱼袭击，我听说当发生鲨鱼袭击时，它们通常会咬你，当它们意识到你不是它们想吃的东西后，它们就会把你吐出来。
And so in my head, I think-- and again, I didn't have a ton of time to analyze this in the moment.
所以在我的脑海里，我想——再说一遍，我现在没有太多的时间来分析这个问题。
But I think the risk of a shark coming back and trying to attack all of us was minimal.
但我认为鲨鱼回来攻击我们所有人的风险很小。
Wow, that's so interesting.
哇，太有趣了。
I think you see that differently than most of us civilians do.
我认为你的看法与我们大多数平民的看法不同。
I mean, I think the thing that I've heard, and I feel like so many people have heard, is if there's blood in the water, the sharks are going to stick around because there's blood in the water, you know?
我的意思是，我认为我听到的事情，而且我觉得很多人都听说过，如果水中有血，鲨鱼就会留下来，因为水中有血，你知道吗？
Totally, yep.
完全是的。
I think it was, the shark made a mistake and realized it and probably swam away.
我想是的，鲨鱼犯了一个错误，意识到了这一点，可能就游走了。
And I think the conditions make a big impact, too.
我认为条件也会产生很大的影响。
I think the morning of the incident, there was red tide, which is a red plankton that makes the water really murky and muddy.
我认为事发当天早上，出现了赤潮，这是一种红色的浮游生物，使水变得非常浑浊。
It was kind of choppy.
有点不稳定。
And so in my mind, the shark attack happened because the shark probably couldn't see, and it couldn't tell what it was biting.
所以在我看来，鲨鱼袭击事件的发生是因为鲨鱼可能看不见，也无法分辨自己在咬什么。
And it attacked thinking it was a seal, because there was a seal out there that morning.
它以为自己是一只海豹而发起攻击，因为那天早上外面就有一只海豹。
All that said, he was still scared.
话虽如此，他还是感到害怕。
He says sharks are always in the back of his head as an ocean swimmer.
他说，作为一名海洋游泳者，鲨鱼总是在他的脑后。
And for whatever random reason, for a couple of months before this day, he'd been having nightmares about sharks coming at him, emerging from the deep.
不管出于什么随机的原因，在这一天之前的几个月里，他一直在做噩梦，梦见鲨鱼从深海中向他袭来。
Now he might be heading towards what he calls a 1,500-pound pitbull, agitated and fighting.
现在，他可能正在走向一头他所说的 1,500 磅重的斗牛犬，情绪激动，正在打架。
But in that quick moment or two before he took action, he took note of a couple of other things.
但在他采取行动之前的一两分钟内，他注意到了其他几件事。
He and Kevin were the closest to the guy who got bit, who was another swimmer from the group.
他和凯文是距离被咬的人最近的人，而被咬的人是该团体中的另一位游泳运动员。
No lifeguards were near.
附近没有救生员。
And I think I just did the math in my head in that split second of, I think the thought of living for the rest of my life, knowing that I was in a position to help and not doing it, would have just eaten away at me way more than the thought of swimming into something that's dangerous.
我想我只是在那一瞬间在脑子里算了一下，我想，在我的余生中，知道我有能力提供帮助而不去做，这种想法比跳入危险的事情的想法更能吞噬我。
That's funny when you weigh it up like this.
当你这样衡量时，这很有趣。
I feel like the math of it actually seems really, really clear.
我觉得它的数学原理看起来真的非常非常清楚。
You're like, I'm a really good swimmer.
你会说，我是一个非常好的游泳运动员。
I'm trained for this.
我受过这方面的训练。
Other people are further away.
其他人都离得比较远。
And I really don't think the shark's going to bite me.
我真的不认为鲨鱼会咬我。
Like, the math is so straightforward.
就像，数学是如此简单。
Yeah, in my mind, it didn't seem like a huge thing.
是的，在我看来，这似乎并不是什么大事。
I was just out there in the right place, in the right time.
我只是在正确的时间、正确的地点出现了。
But again, Kevin's the one that really made that first move and inspired the courage in me to go.
但凯文是真正迈出第一步并激发我前进勇气的人。
And had Kevin done this kind of training, too?
凯文也接受过这种训练吗？
He hadn't.
他没有。
And he jokes that the reason he instantly responded the way he did out of instinct was because he didn't have the training.
他开玩笑说，他之所以会出于本能立即做出这样的反应，是因为他没有接受过训练。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
I didn't think.
我没想到。
I really didn't.
我真的没有。
I just reacted.
我这才反应过来。
This, of course, is Kevin Barrett, 51 years old the day he hurled his body through the water towards a shark attack-- married, two teenage sons.
当然，这就是凯文·巴雷特 (Kevin Barrett)，他已婚，有两个十几岁的儿子，那天他把身体扔进水中，迎接鲨鱼的袭击，当时他已经 51 岁了。
Pays the bills as a financial advisor, but also has a little startup trying to convert ocean waves and their motion into electricity.
作为财务顾问支付账单，但也有一家小初创公司试图将海浪及其运动转化为电力。
He used to play rugby and do triathlons, but at some point switched to ocean swimming.
他曾经打橄榄球和铁人三项，但在某个时候转向了海洋游泳。
And talking with him about why a person might swim towards a shark attack is pretty much the opposite day, upside down world, mirror universe, black-is-white version of talking with Cameron about it.
和他谈论为什么一个人可能会游向鲨鱼袭击几乎是相反的一天，颠倒的世界，镜像宇宙，与卡梅伦谈论这个问题的黑白版本。
It's almost, ignorance is bliss, right?
差不多了，无知就是福，对吧？
I didn't have that knowledge set.
我没有那个知识集。
And so for me, it was, my friend's in trouble.
对我来说，我的朋友有麻烦了。
I just reacted and went to him.
我才反应过来，就走到了他身边。
Right?
正确的？
I didn't have the same knowledge that Cameron had.
我没有卡梅伦那样的知识。
So I just reacted.
所以我才反应过来。
Well, it's funny.
嗯，这很有趣。
When he describes his thing, it's almost not heroic.
当他描述他的事情时，几乎不是什么英雄事。
He just did the math.
他只是算了算。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Like, whereas when you describe yours, it's way more heroic because you're just sort of throwing yourself at danger.
就像，当你描述你的情况时，它更加英雄，因为你只是将自己置于危险之中。
Did you assume that the shark would probably swim away once it bit him that one time?
你是否认为鲨鱼一旦咬了他一次，可能就会游走？
Honestly, I didn't.
老实说，我没有。
I really didn't think too much about the shark.
我真的没有对鲨鱼想太多。
I was really just focused on Caleb.
我真的只关注凯莱布。
Caleb, the guy who got bit.
迦勒，那个被咬的家伙。
Kevin Barrett I was like, I need to get my friend, you know?
凯文·巴雷特 我当时想，我需要找我的朋友，你知道吗？
He's injured.
他受伤了。
And how bad are his injuries?
他的伤势有多严重？
And let's get him to shore.
让我们把他送上岸吧。
I'd only met-- this was the third time I'd met him.
我只见过——这是我第三次见到他。
The third time he'd met him.
第三次遇见他了。
They'd chatted a little about rugby on the beach.
他们在海滩上聊了一会儿橄榄球。
Caleb also used to play.
卡莱布也曾经玩过。
That is the extent of the friendship for which he risked his life.
这就是他冒着生命危险换来的友谊。
People, man.
人们，伙计。
Kevin and Cameron would both be very annoyed with me if I did not point out right now that other people were also critical to saving Caleb's life that day.
如果我现在不指出其他人对那天拯救凯莱布的生命也至关重要，凯文和卡梅伦都会对我非常恼火。
There was the woman who stayed by him during the attack and yelled for help.
袭击发生时，一名女子一直陪在他身边，大声呼救。
Then, when they got to Caleb, he was bleeding badly, like a lawn mower hit his torso, Cameron said.
卡梅伦说，当他们到达凯莱布时，他流血严重，就像割草机撞到了他的躯干一样。
The shark was gone, and a surfer approached with a surfboard.
鲨鱼消失了，一名冲浪者拿着冲浪板走近。
They put Caleb on, get him to shore.
他们让凯莱布上岸，把他送上岸。
Then there were medics, of course, and others who helped.
当然，还有医护人员和其他提供帮助的人。
Caleb is fine now.
迦勒现在很好。
Cameron and Kevin both said that since this story hit the news, lots of people have come up to them, saying they could never have done what the two of them did.
卡梅伦和凯文都表示，自从这个故事成为新闻后，很多人都来找他们，说他们永远不可能做他们两人所做的事情。
They would not have swum toward a shark.
他们不会游向鲨鱼。
Cameron says he tells them, you'd be surprised at what you can do.
卡梅伦说他告诉他们，你会对自己能做的事情感到惊讶。
Kevin tells them, of course you would.
凯文告诉他们，你当然会。
People, I think, are innately good.
我认为，人之初性本善。
And we will do the right thing when pressed, right?
当有压力时我们会做正确的事，对吧？
And I'm just like you.
我和你一样。
And hey, we do good.
嘿，我们做得很好。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I think you and I see people differently.
我认为你和我对人的看法不同。
I think that we are a mix of good and bad.
我认为我们是好与坏的混合体。
And all the people who say, like, I wouldn't do that, I think that those people, many of them are telling the truth.
所有那些说“我不会那样做”的人，我认为那些人，他们中的许多人都说的是实话。
And I guess that's where we differ.
我想这就是我们的不同之处。
I'm not any different to anybody else.
我和其他人没有什么不同。
And this is the reaction that I had.
这就是我的反应。
Trust that you would have the similar reaction.
相信你也会有类似的反应。
That's a cool thing to think about.
这是一件很酷的事情。
That is a cool thing to think about.
这是一件很酷的事情。
And we don't agree on this.
我们对此并不同意。
I do think that there are some people who are like you and some people who aren't.
我确实认为有些人像你一样，有些人则不然。
But because this is your interview and not mine, you will get the last word.
但因为这是你的采访而不是我的，所以你会有最后的决定权。
[LAUGHS] OK.
[笑]好的。
Good.
好的。
Ira Glass Today on our show, people who decide to put themselves in danger and swim towards sharks.
艾拉·格拉斯 今天在我们的节目中，人们决定将自己置于危险之中，游向鲨鱼。
Sometimes, they're doing it out of idealism, for the greater good of everybody, because they're good people-- if such a thing exists.
有时，他们这样做是出于理想主义，为了每个人的更大利益，因为他们是好人——如果存在这样的事情的话。
Sometimes, it's purely personal and the only way they know to fix some problem in their own life.
有时，这纯粹是个人的，也是他们知道解决自己生活中某些问题的唯一方法。
Sometimes, the people around them do not understand why they're doing it at all.
有时，周围的人根本不明白他们为什么这样做。
True stories of human peril and the people who seek it out.
关于人类危险和寻求危险的人们的真实故事。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
Act One, "If I Only Had My Brain." When Sarah was 15, she landed the lead role with a professional theater company playing Alice, the lead role in Alice Through the Looking Glass.
第一幕，“如果我有我的大脑就好了。”莎拉 15 岁时，在一家专业剧团找到了主角，饰演《爱丽丝镜中奇遇记》中的主角爱丽丝。
And during the course of the production, she became petrified of going on stage, stage fright at an almost chemical level.
在制作过程中，她对上台感到恐惧，怯场几乎达到了化学水平。
Every day, she says, the very thought of doing the show again drenched her in sweat.
她说，每天一想到要再次出演这个节目，她就会浑身大汗。
Her heart pounded so hard, she thought it might explode.
她的心剧烈地跳动着，她觉得自己快要爆炸了。
She was afraid.
她很害怕。
And she was afraid people would discover she was afraid, which made it worse.
她担心人们会发现她害怕，这让情况变得更糟。
And long story, but she lied her way out of the gig so she didn't have to do it anymore, which ended the play's run early, leaving her adult cast members who needed work out of work.
说来话长，但她撒了谎，退出了演出，这样她就不用再演了，这导致该剧提前结束，需要工作的成年演员也失业了。
She felt really bad about that, didn't own up to it for years after.
她对此感到非常难过，多年来都没有承认这一点。
The funny thing is, Sarah, she'd acted a bunch before this-- and after it, in movies, on TV, where there's no audience with you in the room.
有趣的是，莎拉，她在此之前和之后都演过很多戏，在电影、电视中，房间里没有观众。
You may have heard of her, Sarah Polley.
你可能听说过她，莎拉·波利。
These days, she works behind the camera as a director and a screenwriter.
如今，她在幕后担任导演和编剧。
But being on stage, after that one production, it was a shark she did not swim toward, one of several.
但在那次演出之后，在舞台上，她没有游向一条鲨鱼，这是几条鲨鱼之一。
Yes, I've never been somebody to push myself.
是的，我从来都不是一个强迫自己的人。
In general, if something makes me anxious, I don't do it.
一般来说，如果某件事让我感到焦虑，我就不会做。
And certainly, throughout my acting career, there are a lot of things I just backed right away from the second they started to make me anxious at all.
当然，在我的演艺生涯中，有很多事情一开始让我感到焦虑，我就立即支持。
Like, I just didn't want the trouble.
就像，我只是不想惹麻烦。
It's time to move in a different direction.
是时候朝不同的方向前进了。
And then, a couple of decades later, well into adulthood, something happened that just changed all of that, made her way less avoidant, fearful.
然后，几十年后，进入成年后，发生了一些事情，改变了这一切，让她不再那么回避和恐惧。
And it wasn't a thing that you would expect.
这不是你所期望的事情。
She told the story to one of our producers, Sean Cole.
她向我们的一位制片人肖恩·科尔讲述了这个故事。
So it's October 2015.
现在是 2015 年 10 月。
Sarah had just finished swimming, actually, at the local rec center and was getting ready to walk home, but her hair's wet and it's chilly outside.
实际上，莎拉刚刚在当地的娱乐中心游完泳，正准备步行回家，但她的头发湿漉漉的，而且外面很冷。
It's Toronto, where she lives.
这是她居住的多伦多。
It gets cold.
天变冷了。
And she can't find her blow-dryer.
她找不到吹风机。
Goes to the front desk, says, has anybody seen it?
去前台说，有人看到了吗？
The woman says, meh, go check the lost and found bin.
女人说，嗯，去检查失物招领箱。
So she goes over to the corner of the lobby and crouches down to rummage around in the bin, above which, hanging on the wall, is this big industrial fire extinguisher.
于是她走到大厅的一角，蹲下身子在垃圾桶里翻找，垃圾桶上方的墙上挂着一个巨大的工业灭火器。
I was overheating, and I stood up quickly to toss my winter coat off in a kind of tantrum.
我觉得太热了，我急忙站起来，怒气冲冲地脱掉冬衣。
And I think what must have happened is my shoulder must have dislodged the fire extinguisher, and it crashed down on the left side of my head.
我想一定是我的肩膀把灭火器撞了出来，它摔在了我的头左侧。
So my memory after that is foggy.
所以之后我的记忆就变得模糊了。
But what I do remember is, I felt like all my teeth were going to fall out of my head.
但我确实记得的是，我感觉我所有的牙齿都要从头上掉下来了。
I had a lot of thoughts about dentistry and how I wished I knew more about dentistry, because that seemed like a priority at that moment.
我对牙科有很多想法，我多么希望自己能更多地了解牙科，因为那一刻这似乎是当务之急。
And I kind of put together very slowly this terrible pain in my teeth and on the left side of my jaw and head with the fact there was this huge clang around the same time, and I could see the fire extinguisher rolling.
我非常缓慢地把牙齿、下巴左侧和头部的可怕疼痛与大约在同一时间发出的巨大叮当声结合起来，我可以看到灭火器在滚动。
And I realized I should probably let someone know.
我意识到我应该让别人知道。
And so I started saying, in a very monotone voice, to no one in particular, a fire extinguisher just fell on my head.
于是我开始用一种非常单调的声音对任何人说，一个灭火器刚刚掉到了我的头上。
A fire extinguisher just fell on my head.
一个灭火器掉到了我的头上。
And it was literally like listening to a robot.
这真的就像听机器人说话一样。
There was no affect in the voice that I heard coming out of me.
我听到的声音没有任何影响。
The woman behind the counter ran to get help, but instead of waiting around, Sarah just set off on her walk home, which wasn't easy.
柜台后面的女士跑去寻求帮助，但莎拉没有等待，而是步行回家，这并不容易。
Somehow, her body kept veering to the right, onto people's lawns.
不知何故，她的身体不断向右转向，落在人们的草坪上。
I felt like I was underwater.
我感觉自己好像在水下。
I felt like everything was way too loud.
我觉得一切都太大声了。
But I also felt like, I have two tiny kids.
但我也觉得，我有两个小孩。
I'm in the middle of a job.
我正在忙着工作。
Nothing can have happened to me right now because that's just not possible.
现在我什么都不会发生，因为那是不可能的。
I just can't make room for that at the moment, so.
我现在无法腾出空间，所以。
You might have guessed by now that she'd suffered a concussion, in which case you know more about Sarah's brain than she did in those first few hours after the accident.
你现在可能已经猜到她遭受了脑震荡，在这种情况下，你对莎拉大脑的了解比她在事故发生后的最初几个小时内还要多。
For her, it was one of those moments where you're not sure yet how serious or benign an injury might turn out to be.
对她来说，这是一个你还不确定受伤的严重程度或良性的时刻之一。
And if you just act casual, maybe it'll get better on its own.
如果你表现得很随意，也许事情会自行好转。
But in the kitchen that night, making dinner, both her kids bouncing around, she started to experience her brain like a new appliance she wasn't used to yet and was kind of in awe of.
但那天晚上，在厨房里做晚饭时，她的两个孩子都在蹦蹦跳跳，她开始体验自己的大脑就像一个她还不习惯的新器具，并且有点敬畏。
Everything for me became scrambled.
对我来说一切都变得混乱了。
So I remember having the thought, how am I supposed to open the oven and turn it on if they're making so much noise?
所以我记得我有过这样的想法，如果他们发出这么大的噪音，我该如何打开烤箱并打开它？
Wow.
哇。
Sarah Polley And I remember going, well, that's an odd thought, but I couldn't quite piece together why it was an odd thought.
莎拉·波利：我记得，好吧，这是一个奇怪的想法，但我无法完全弄清楚为什么这是一个奇怪的想法。
And I think the moment I really had to admit something was wrong was-- even though something was obviously wrong-- was I snapped at my three-year-old in a way that I just had never snapped before.
我认为，当我真正不得不承认有些事情是错误的时候——尽管有些事情显然是错误的——是我以一种我以前从未发脾气的方式对我三岁的孩子发脾气。
And I remember holding these little shoulders and these eyes looking up at me, shocked.
我记得我握住这些小肩膀，这些眼睛抬头看着我，震惊。
And then I became shocked because I was like, what am I doing?
然后我感到震惊，因为我想，我在做什么？
I mean, I wasn't rough, but it was way beyond how I had ever been.
我的意思是，我并不粗鲁，但这远远超出了我以前的方式。
And I remember just backing up and removing myself and going and sitting in a dark room and going, something's happened.
我记得我只是后退并移开自己，然后坐在一间黑暗的房间里，然后就发生了一些事情。
I feel like I can cut through the air with my hand like it's butter, like it's a substance.
我觉得我可以用手切割空气，就像切割黄油一样，就像切割一种物质一样。
And I remember saying to my husband, David, did reality always feel like this?
我记得我对我的丈夫大卫说，现实总是这样吗？
You know when they say the answer is located within the question?
你知道他们什么时候说答案就在问题中吗？
This was one of those times.
这是其中一次。
Sarah called her sister, who's a doctor, and who said, yeah, it's a concussion.
莎拉打电话给她的姐姐，她是一名医生，她说，是的，这是脑震荡。
All the classic symptoms-- oversensitivity to noise and light, confusion, wooziness.
所有典型症状——对噪音和光线过度敏感、意识混乱、头晕。
She told Sarah to just take it easy.
她告诉莎拉放轻松。
Probably, she'd be back to normal in no time.
或许，她很快就会恢复正常。
But that's not what happened.
但事实并非如此。
Sarah had all of those symptoms, plus fatigue, occasional nausea, and terrible migraines on and off for the next 3 and 1/2 years.
在接下来的 3 又 1/2 年里，莎拉出现了所有这些症状，此外还有疲劳、偶尔恶心和断断续续的严重偏头痛。
Some days, she'd just lay in a dark room for hours because the headaches were too much.
有时，她会在黑暗的房间里躺上几个小时，因为头痛太厉害了。
The light sensitivity also meant limiting her screen time, so she could barely work.
对光的敏感性也意味着限制她看屏幕的时间，所以她几乎无法工作。
She was actually in the middle of adapting the novel Little Women into a screenplay when she got hit on the head, that gig that ultimately went to Greta Gerwig instead.
实际上，她正在将小说《小妇人》改编成剧本时，头部被击中，而这部戏最终由格蕾塔·葛韦格接手。
Also very challenging-- just hanging out with friends and family.
也非常具有挑战性——只是和朋友和家人一起出去玩。
Like in a conversation at dinner, where there's things going on, I haven't been able to follow what people are saying.
就像晚餐时的谈话一样，当事情发生时，我无法听懂人们在说什么。
And I was really good at faking it, but half the time, I didn't know what the hell was going on.
我真的很擅长假装，但有一半的时候，我不知道到底发生了什么。
And it was scary and embarrassing.
这很可怕也很尴尬。
But the biggest heartbreak was not being able to care for her kids that much, especially in the first year.
但最大的心碎是无法照顾她的孩子，尤其是在第一年。
Couldn't take them to school, couldn't go to their events.
无法送他们去学校，无法参加他们的活动。
She just became less and less involved with their lives.
她只是越来越少地参与他们的生活。
And this is the story of how she made her way out of that hole, taking a path that was totally unexpected.
这就是她如何走出困境，走上一条完全出乎意料的道路的故事。
At first, she was just marching herself around to doctor after doctor.
起初，她只是一个接一个地去看医生。
She actually published an essay in a book of essays about all of this.
她实际上在一本散文集中发表了一篇关于所有这些的文章。
This part's a good summation of the different treatments she tried, so I asked her to read it.
这部分很好地总结了她尝试过的不同治疗方法，所以我请她阅读。
"I go to a neurofeedback specialist who tells me, after I spent an exhausting day watching balls bounce around on a computer screen, that I am in the one percentile for attention span for my age and gender.
“我去找一位神经反馈专家，在我花了一整天的时间观看电脑屏幕上弹跳的球之后，他告诉我，对于我的年龄和性别来说，我的注意力持续时间处于第一个百分位数。
This will haunt me for years.
这将困扰我很多年。
A nutritionist who tells me to stop eating gluten and dairy and a chiropractor who apparently helped cure hockey player Sidney Crosby."
一位营养师告诉我停止吃麸质和奶制品，还有一位脊椎按摩师显然帮助治愈了曲棍球运动员西德尼·克罗斯比。”
Sidney Crosby is a hockey legend, just to say.
可以说，西德尼·克罗斯比是一位曲棍球传奇人物。
In 2011, he was diagnosed with a concussion that famously benched him for about a year.
2011年，他被诊断出脑震荡，导致他缺席了大约一年的时间。
"I will later realize that almost everyone out there specializing in concussions has a rumor swirling around them that they cured Sidney Crosby.
“我后来会意识到，几乎每个专门研究脑震荡的人都流传着一个谣言，说他们治愈了西德尼·克罗斯比。
After a while, whenever anyone starts to rave about a concussion miracle worker they know, I say, let me guess-- he treated Sidney Crosby.
过了一段时间，每当有人开始对脑震荡奇迹创造者赞不绝口时，我说，让我猜猜，他们知道他治疗了西德尼·克罗斯比。
The answer is invariably yes."
答案总是肯定的。”
Out of the tangle of advice, much of it conflicting, stuck this one common thread, that Sarah should do as much as she felt like she could handle, but when she reached the point where she couldn't tolerate the stimulation or the sunlight or traffic sounds or whatever it was, then back off.
在一大堆建议中，其中大部分是相互矛盾的，我们坚持了一个共同的主线，那就是莎拉应该尽她所能处理她认为可以处理的事情，但是当她到达无法忍受刺激、阳光、交通声音或其他任何东西的地步时，然后退缩。
Don't try to push yourself past the point where your body is telling you to quit, and make sure to get lots of rest.
不要试图强迫自己超过身体告诉你戒烟的程度，并确保充分休息。
It's not exactly rare, this condition.
这种情况并不罕见。
It's been referred to as post-concussion syndrome.
它被称为脑震荡后综合症。
Maybe 15% or 20% of people with concussions develop some form of it.
也许 15% 或 20% 的脑震荡患者会出现某种形式的脑震荡。
In fact, Sarah's friend Meredith happened to be dealing with it at the same time.
事实上，莎拉的朋友梅雷迪思恰好在同一时间处理这件事。
They'd compare notes.
他们会交换意见。
Meredith always wore wraparound shades and wide-brimmed hats when she went outside.
梅雷迪思外出时总是戴着环绕式墨镜和宽边帽子。
And somewhere around year 3, Sarah got almost used to her limitations.
大约在第三年的时候，莎拉几乎习惯了自己的局限性。
She kept detailed notes about her symptoms-- when they showed up, how severe they were.
她详细记录了自己的症状——症状何时出现、有多严重。
And in what she calls an irrational fit of optimism, she and David decide to have a third kid, which would have been a huge load for anyone.
在她所谓的非理性乐观情绪中，她和大卫决定生第三个孩子，这对任何人来说都是一个巨大的负担。
But for Sarah, it was insurmountable.
但对于莎拉来说，这是难以克服的。
She felt just as bad as she did on day one and starts to give up on ever being recognizably herself again.
她的感觉和第一天一样糟糕，并开始放弃再次被认出的自己。
And then, one day, 3 and 1/2 years in, Sarah sees Meredith, her concussion buddy, on the street, except now, out of nowhere, Meredith's fine.
然后，3又1/2年后的某一天，莎拉在街上看到了她的脑震荡伙伴梅雷迪思，但现在，梅雷迪思不知从何而来，一切都很好。
No wraparound shades, no wide-brimmed hat.
没有环绕式墨镜，没有宽边帽子。
She basically says she was cured by this doctor in Pittsburgh, Dr. Michael Collins.
她基本上说她被匹兹堡的迈克尔·柯林斯医生治愈了。
And the more Sarah learned about him, the more snake oily the whole thing sounded.
莎拉对他了解得越多，整件事听起来就越像蛇油一样。
There's just so much debate around the science of concussions, and the cure seems so elusive.
关于脑震荡的科学性存在很多争论，而治愈方法似乎又难以捉摸。
And now, here is this guy who was completely confident that he could fix what was wrong, that there was a method to it.
现在，这个人完全有信心他可以解决问题，并且有解决办法。
Plus, the way his patients felt about him seemed cultish and weird.
另外，他的病人对他的感觉似乎很崇拜而且很奇怪。
And besides being skeptical, Sarah, who, remember, is Canadian and explicitly asked me to include this, she didn't want to buy into the notion that health care in the US is superior to what you could get in Canada-- and literally buy in.
除了持怀疑态度之外，莎拉（记住，她是加拿大人，并明确要求我将这一点包括在内）除了持怀疑态度外，她并不想相信美国的医疗保健优于加拿大的观念——并且确实相信。
She's like, nobody should have to pay for health care.
她说，没有人应该支付医疗费用。
It made her feel gross.
这让她感觉很恶心。
But all of that said, she had tried everything else.
但尽管如此，她已经尝试了其他一切。
Maybe a little snake oil was what she needed.
也许她需要一点万金油。
So she booked an appointment and brought her friend, Kate, down with her to Pittsburgh to sit with her and take notes on what the doctor said so she'd remember.
于是她预约了，并带她的朋友凯特一起去匹兹堡和她坐在一起，记下医生所说的话，以便她记住。
The trip itself was hugely taxing for her.
这次旅行本身对她来说是一个巨大的负担。
And when the time came to see Dr. Collins, he was not what she expected.
当到了去见柯林斯医生的时候，他并不是她所期望的那样。
He kind of burst into the room in whatever a Canadian stereotypical image of an American is.
他冲进房间的方式与加拿大对美国人的刻板形象无关。
It was like America came into the room.
就像美国走进了房间。
He was really direct, didn't hold back.
他真的很直接，没有任何保留。
He was loud.
他声音很大。
He didn't have a lot of time for niceties.
他没有太多的时间去客套。
I literally felt like Kate and I were like, our hair is being blown back by the sheer energy of this man.
我真的感觉凯特和我就像，我们的头发被这个男人的纯粹能量吹到了后面。
He immediately points at Kate, who's quietly taking notes in the corner.
他立即指着凯特，后者正在角落里安静地做笔记。
That's not going to help.
那没有帮助。
I read all your husband's notes.
我读了你丈夫的所有笔记。
He's taking all these notes about your symptoms.
他正在记下所有关于你的症状的笔记。
That's not going to help.
那没有帮助。
And he yelled at Kate, and he was like, put that pen down.
他对凯特大喊大叫，然后他就把笔放下了。
You're not helping.
你没有帮助。
And Kate dropped her pen and was like--
凯特丢下了笔，然后说道——
And he's talking at that volume of voice?
他还用这么大的音量说话？
Like--
就像——
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊。
No, he's a really intense guy.
不，他是一个非常热情的人。
And I mean, I was used to a lot of "listen to your body," "be gentle with yourself." And he was like, stop tracking your symptoms.
我的意思是，我已经习惯了很多“倾听你的身体”、“对自己温柔”。他说，停止追踪你的症状。
You're not helping yourself by tracking your symptoms, which I was extremely good at.
追踪症状并不能帮助你自己，而我非常擅长追踪症状。
And I mean, he's basically like-- I don't know.
我的意思是，他基本上就像——我不知道。
I don't play sports.
我不做运动。
It's what I imagine an American football coach is like.
这就是我想象中的美式橄榄球教练的样子。
The first thing he had said was, we're going to have to pin our ears and go after this thing, which is like my kid's favorite expression.
他说的第一句话是，我们必须捂住耳朵去追赶这个东西，这就像我孩子最喜欢的表达方式。
We're going to have to pin our ears and go after this thing.
我们必须竖起耳朵追查这件事。
He basically told Sarah that she was thinking about her concussion as something she needed to make room for in her life, which was exactly wrong.
他基本上告诉莎拉，她认为自己的脑震荡是她需要在生活中腾出空间的事情，这是完全错误的。
He said, if there's one thing I need you to remember from this meeting, if you don't remember anything else-- and there was a possibility I wouldn't, because Kate wasn't allowed to take notes because he yelled at her.
他说，如果我需要你从这次会议中记住一件事，如果你不记得其他任何事情——而且我有可能不会记住，因为凯特不被允许做笔记，因为他对她大喊大叫。
If there's only one thing you remember from this meeting today, it's this-- run towards the danger.
如果今天的会议你只记得一件事，那就是——奔向危险。
Run towards the danger.
奔向危险。
Sarah Polley Anything that's traditionally triggered your symptoms, you're doing more of.
Sarah Polley 任何传统上会引发你的症状的事情，你都会做更多。
So now, if you're watching TV with someone, you have to ask if it's loud enough for them, because they might be keeping it lower for your concussion.
所以现在，如果你和某人一起看电视，你必须询问他们的声音是否足够大，因为他们可能会为了你的脑震荡而将声音降低。
You have to ask if the room is bright enough for other people because everyone's probably gotten to a habit of lower light for you and your concussion.
您必须询问房间对于其他人来说是否足够明亮，因为每个人可能都习惯于降低光线以防止您和您的脑震荡。
You have to basically just take off all the band-aids.
基本上你必须取下所有创可贴。
And what I was not allowed to do was-- he was like, if I hear that you're having a nap, ever, I will yell at you.
我不被允许做的是——他说，如果我听说你在小睡，我就会对你大喊大叫。
If you have a nap in the day, I will yell at you.
如果你白天睡午觉，我就会对你大喊大叫。
[LAUGHTER] And he meant it.
[笑声]他是认真的。
And I was like, holy shit.
我当时想，天哪。
What if I'm trying to make breakfast for my kids, breastfeed my baby, I'm alone at home, I'm trying to get them all off to school?
如果我要为我的孩子们做早餐、给我的宝宝喂奶、我独自一人在家、我要送他们都去上学怎么办？
Just thinking about that gives me a migraine.
一想到这个我就感到偏头痛。
I mean, what if I get a migraine if I'm overextending myself in that way, and then I can't function for the rest of the day?
我的意思是，如果我过度劳累而得了偏头痛，然后我这一天剩下的时间就无法工作了怎么办？
And he just looked at me and yelled, attack, attack, attack!
他只是看着我大喊，攻击，攻击，攻击！
[LAUGHS] Sarah Polley It was so arresting.
[笑]莎拉·波利 这太引人注目了。
Remember, this was, like, the opposite of what every other doctor had told her.
请记住，这与其他医生告诉她的相反。
Everybody else was like, don't push past the point of your own tolerance.
其他人都说，不要超出自己的承受范围。
And Dr. Collins was like, push past the point of your own tolerance.
柯林斯博士说，超越你自己的容忍点。
Keep going.
继续前进。
Sarah asked him how long it would take for her to get better, and he said, hmm, a pretty straightforward case, maybe four to six weeks, which is when she became firmly convinced that he was a charlatan.
莎拉问他需要多长时间才能好起来，他说，嗯，一个非常简单的案例，可能需要四到六周，从那时起她坚信他是个江湖骗子。
But he's not a charlatan.
但他不是江湖骗子。
For all of the ear pinning and attack, attack, attack stuff, Dr. Michael Collins is a world-renowned leading expert in concussions.
对于所有的耳朵固定和攻击、攻击、攻击的事情，迈克尔·柯林斯博士是世界知名的脑震荡专家。
He's a clinical neuropsychologist, not an MD.
他是一名临床神经心理学家，而不是医学博士。
But he helped develop a special diagnostic tool to test the severity and type of concussion.
但他帮助开发了一种特殊的诊断工具来测试脑震荡的严重程度和类型。
Yes, there are different types of concussions-- six of them, in fact.
是的，脑震荡有不同类型——事实上有六种。
And he's worked on hundreds of research articles and important studies in the field.
他在该领域发表了数百篇研究文章和重要研究。
And the way his team approaches treatment is becoming more and more accepted, both here and in other countries.
他的团队的治疗方式在美国和其他国家都越来越被接受。
Oh, and also--
哦，还有——
We're making progress in Sid's case, and I anticipate Sid returning to hockey and playing well in the future.
我们在 Sid 的案件上正在取得进展，我预计 Sid 会重返曲棍球并在未来打出好成绩。
--he actually did treat the hockey player Sidney Crosby.
——他实际上确实治疗过曲棍球运动员西德尼·克罗斯比。
This is from a press conference where Sidney is literally sitting two chairs away from him.
这是一场新闻发布会，西德尼坐在离他两把椅子远的地方。
Yesterday, actually, I assessed Sid.
事实上，昨天我评估了席德。
And I can tell you that his data is the best we've seen.
我可以告诉你，他的数据是我们见过的最好的。
It is approaching--
正在逼近——
I got in touch with Michael Collins, or Mickey to people who know him.
我联系了迈克尔·柯林斯，或者联系了认识他的人米奇。
First and foremost, I asked him what was going on with all the yelling.
首先，我问他大喊大叫是怎么回事。
He said he'd been running hours behind schedule on some really complicated cases before seeing Sarah.
他说，在见到莎拉之前，他处理一些非常复杂的案件已经比计划晚了几个小时。
But beyond that, he says he felt like he needed to get through to her, literally loud and clear, that noise and stimulation were not the enemy.
但除此之外，他说他觉得自己需要大声而清晰地告诉她，噪音和刺激不是敌人。
Put very simply, the bash on Sarah's head injured this part of her brain that allows you to interpret motion and busy environments.
简而言之，莎拉头部的重击损伤了她大脑中负责解释运动和繁忙环境的部分。
So the system gets overloaded and can't manage everything that's flying at it.
因此系统会超载并且无法管理正在运行的所有内容。
And the injury also caused anxiety.
而且受伤也引起了焦虑。
But here's the weird part-- whenever Sarah felt anxiety about, like, going to a social event, that anxiety alone could also trigger her physical concussion symptoms-- the brain fog, wooziness, and confusion.
但奇怪的是，每当莎拉感到焦虑时，比如参加社交活动，这种焦虑本身也可能引发她的身体脑震荡症状——脑雾、头晕和混乱。
It's a two-way conversation.
这是双向对话。
And so you run toward the danger to interrupt that conversation.
于是你就冒着危险去打断谈话。
You just ignore your anxiety about the symptoms, and so the anxiety and the symptoms both start to fade.
你只是忽略了对症状的焦虑，所以焦虑和症状都开始消退。
She had the type of concussion where it's not rest that gets someone better.
她患有脑震荡，不休息就能让病人好起来。
It's about rehabituation and retraining.
这是关于康复和再培训。
And so to make sure she was aware of that-- because every instinct in your body when you're going through this is to back off things.
所以要确保她意识到这一点——因为当你经历这一切时，你身体的每一个本能都是退缩。
And so yeah, a part of it was I was having a busy day, but a part of it was she needed to hear it.
所以，是的，部分原因是我今天很忙，但部分原因是她需要听到。
And she needed to understand that there's only one way out, and that's through it.
她需要明白，只有一种出路，那就是通过它。
We actually wanted her to have symptoms.
我们实际上希望她出现症状。
We wanted her to feel it.
我们想让她感受到这一点。
And just to say, he's not yell-y with every patient.
只是想说，他并不是对每个病人都大喊大叫。
And some patients have completely different kinds of concussions.
有些患者有完全不同类型的脑震荡。
Please consult a physician before treating your own concussion by going to a Five Finger Death Punch concert.
在参加五指死亡拳音乐会治疗自己的脑震荡之前，请先咨询医生。
But with Sarah, he told her, we're going to put you on an intensive retraining program-- exercise, including very specific exercises to get that motion interpretation system-- it's called the vestibular system-- working again, and all the classic exposure therapy you just heard about.
但对于莎拉，他告诉她，我们将为你进行强化再训练计划——锻炼，包括非常具体的练习，以使运动解释系统——称为前庭系统——再次发挥作用，以及你刚刚听说的所有经典暴露疗法。
Dr. Collins warned her that this would be very uncomfortable at first.
柯林斯博士警告她，一开始这会很不舒服。
He was not lying.
他没有说谎。
I was in agony.
我很痛苦。
Everything hurt.
一切都受伤了。
I had worse brain fog at times.
有时我的脑雾更严重。
It was exhausting.
太累了。
It made me nauseous.
这让我感到恶心。
It gave me headaches.
这让我很头疼。
Take, for example, a simple visit to the grocery store.
以简单地参观杂货店为例。
For years, her husband had been doing most of the shopping, but now, shopping was prescribed.
多年来，大部分购物都是由她的丈夫承担，但现在，购物是有规定的。
Just the number of things that were happening, like the bright lights, the music, needing to make decisions about what to pull off the shelf, looking at a list, which, again, when you can see how much work each of those steps takes for your brain to process and execute, it is an explosion of exhaustion and pain.
只是正在发生的事情的数量，比如明亮的灯光、音乐、需要决定从架子上拿下什么、查看清单，再一次，当你看到每个步骤需要你的大脑处理和执行多少工作时，你就会感到筋疲力尽和痛苦的爆发。
And certainly, I remember being at a kids' concert, like a kids' rock concert in the gym.
当然，我记得参加过一场儿童音乐会，就像在健身房里举行的儿童摇滚音乐会。
A thing that I think that even people without hypersensitivity to loud noises do not necessarily enjoy.
我认为即使是对噪音不过敏的人也不一定会喜欢这一点。
And I just wanted to die.
我只想死。
And it was like, it must have been such a sight because you position your face in a certain kind of way at a kids' performance, which I was incapable of doing.
就像，这一定是这样的景象，因为你在孩子们的表演中以某种方式定位你的脸，而我无法做到这一点。
Yeah, my brain was exploding a lot in those first few weeks.
是的，在最初的几周里我的大脑爆炸了很多。
And then there was this moment where we'd been invited out.
然后就在这一刻，我们被邀请出去。
This is maybe two or three weeks into the treatment.
这可能是治疗的两到三周。
David had this new colleague and his partner, and we went to a restaurant, and I was bringing my breastfeeding baby into a restaurant while having to socialize with new people, with noise and light.
大卫有一位新同事和他的伴侣，我们去了一家餐馆，我带着我母乳喂养的婴儿进入一家餐馆，同时不得不在噪音和灯光下与新朋友交往。
And I said yes because I had to, because it was part of my program to say yes to these things.
我说“是”，因为我必须这样做，因为对这些事情说“是”是我计划的一部分。
And I realized halfway through the conversation that I had been following the whole conversation--
谈话进行到一半时我意识到我一直在关注整个谈话——
Hmm!
嗯！
Sarah Polley --and that I wasn't lost, and my head didn't hurt, and I wasn't confused.
莎拉·波利——我没有迷路，我的头没有受伤，我没有感到困惑。
And I expressed that to my husband on the walk home.
我在回家的路上向我丈夫表达了这一点。
And as I did, I started sobbing uncontrollably, because I suddenly realized, this is what it used to feel like to be in my brain.
当我这样做时，我开始无法控制地抽泣，因为我突然意识到，这就是我大脑中以前的感觉。
And I didn't even know how far off I was of being myself or being fully functioning.
我什至不知道我离做我自己或充分发挥作用还有多远。
And so it was both an incredible moment of knowing, oh, I am going to get better, actually, and also real grief for the last 3 and 1/2 years, and also just my lack of even having known what I'd lost.
所以这既是一个令人难以置信的时刻，我知道，哦，我实际上会变得更好，也是过去 3 又 1/2 年的真正悲伤，而且我什至不知道我失去了什么。
And by the end of six weeks, just like the doctor had said, she was totally cured.
六周后，正如医生所说，她完全康复了。
It honestly just felt like a veil lifting off the world, like I'd been behind this screen that I didn't know I was behind.
老实说，感觉就像一层面纱揭开了世界，就像我一直在这个屏幕后面，但我不知道自己在后面。
And my vision had adjusted to everything being a bit blurry.
我的视力已经适应了一切都有点模糊。
And then suddenly, everything was clear and in technicolor and beautiful.
突然之间，一切都变得清晰起来，色彩绚丽，美丽无比。
It's been five years since Sarah recovered.
莎拉康复已经五年了。
And not only is she symptom-free, she actually gained something that I never would have expected, and is the entire reason I wanted you to hear this story.
她不仅没有任何症状，而且实际上获得了我从未预料到的东西，这就是我想让你听这个故事的全部原因。
That whole run towards the danger thing, it's pervaded the rest of her life.
那种奔向危险的感觉贯穿了她的余生。
Instead of being all squirrely and avoidant when a big challenge comes along, now she's like, OK, bring it on.
当重大挑战出现时，她不再表现得乖僻和回避，而是说，好吧，加油吧。
I do all kinds of things now that I am terrified of and that I would never do.
我现在做了各种我害怕但我永远不会做的事情。
Like, I now, if I'm asked to be on stage, it's very likely I will say yes because it's so hard for me.
就像现在的我，如果有人邀请我上台，我很可能会答应，因为这对我来说太难了。
And I know the more I do it and the more I work with it, the better it's going to get.
我知道我做的越多，投入的越多，它就会变得越好。
So I don't really avoid anything that bugs me anymore.
所以我不再回避任何让我烦恼的事情。
I am so very honored to be asked to speak here today--
我非常荣幸今天受邀在这里发言——
This is Sarah addressing graduates at the University of Toronto just a couple of months ago.
这是莎拉几个月前在多伦多大学向毕业生发表的演讲。
She told the crowd she was terrified of being on stage, even as she was onstage speaking to them.
她告诉人群，她害怕上台，即使她在台上对他们讲话。
There are many things to be legitimately afraid of.
有很多事情值得我们害怕。
Don't worry, I won't list them.
别担心，我不会列出它们。
She's also taken on huge projects that would have felt insurmountable to her before the concussion happened, like the movie Women Talking, which won her an Oscar last year for her screenplay.
她还承担了一些大型项目，这些项目在脑震荡发生之前对她来说是不可逾越的，比如电影《女人说话》，去年她凭借剧本获得了奥斯卡奖。
And that book I mentioned before, it's called Run Towards the Danger.
我之前提到的那本书叫做《奔向危险》。
And it's full of deeply personal, sometimes really upsetting, stories from her life that she'd always been scared to tell.
其中充满了她一直不敢讲述的非常个人化的、有时甚至令人沮丧的生活故事。
And is it literally, if you were going into some sort of uncomfortable situation, that you're thinking of the words "run towards the danger" now?
如果你正面临某种不舒服的情况，你现在会想到“奔向危险”这个词吗？
I do think it sometimes, but I don't have to because it gets lobbed at me more than I say it to myself.
有时我确实这么想，但我不必这么想，因为它更多地是向我抛出的，而不是我对自己说的。
If you want to make your life a living hell, name a book Run Towards The Danger, because then any time you express reservation about anything, the person in the other corner will be like, I don't want to say it, but I don't know if you remember the title of your book.
如果你想让你的生活变成一个活生生的地狱，那就把一本书命名为《奔向危险》，因为每当你对任何事情表示保留时，另一个角落里的人都会说，我不想说，但我不知道你是否还记得你的书名。
Sarah says she's glad now for the concussion.
莎拉说她现在为脑震荡感到高兴。
Glad for a concussion.
很高兴脑震荡。
Her whole life, she says, she kept mixing up taking care of herself with avoiding anything potentially difficult or uncomfortable.
她说，在她的一生中，她一直把照顾自己与避免任何可能困难或不舒服的事情混为一谈。
Those two things can look very much the same, but they're not.
这两件事看起来非常相似，但事实并非如此。
And you can miss out on a lot in life when you confuse them.
当你混淆它们时，你可能会错过生活中的很多东西。
So she's happy to know the difference.
所以她很高兴知道其中的区别。
And all it took was a fire extinguisher falling on her head.
所需要的只是一个灭火器落在她的头上。
Sean Cole is one of the producers of our show.
肖恩·科尔是我们节目的制片人之一。
Coming up, what do you do when your kid doesn't just fly the coop, but decides twice a week to head straight into danger?
接下来，如果您的孩子不仅不逃离笼子，而且每周两次决定直接陷入危险，您会怎么做？
What parenting advice exists for that?
对此有哪些育儿建议？
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, "Swim Towards the Shark," stories of people who ignore all the noise that is in all of our heads that tells us to run away from danger, and instead, they head straight towards it.
今天的节目《游向鲨鱼》讲述了人们的故事，他们无视我们头脑中所有告诉我们逃离危险的噪音，而是径直朝危险走去。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, "Am I Doing It Alt-Right, You Guys?" So this is about somebody who got into an incendiary situation, and then rather than pull herself out, decided, hmm, I'm just going to head further into that fire.
第二幕，“你们，我做得对吗？”所以这是关于一个陷入燃烧局面的人，然后决定，嗯，我要进一步深入火中，而不是把自己拉出来。
Comedian Josh Johnson talked about what happened on stage recently.
喜剧演员乔什·约翰逊谈到了最近舞台上发生的事情。
Here he is.
他在这里。
Did y'all see the white woman that got in trouble for saying the N-word?
你们都看到那个因为说了“N”字而惹上麻烦的白人妇女吗？
I know you're saying, which one?
我知道你在说，哪一个？
OK, fair enough.
好吧，很公平。
[LAUGHTER] OK.
[笑声] 好的。
I say "the" because this was "the" for me.
我说“那个”是因为这对我来说就是“那个”。
It's like, other people were saying it.
好像是别人说的
People were saying it all the time.
人们一直在这么说。
But this one was like-- this one felt especially crazy.
但这一个就像——这个感觉特别疯狂。
So I followed the story because it is captivating.
所以我关注了这个故事，因为它很吸引人。
OK, so basically-- OK, where do I even start?
好吧，基本上——好吧，我从哪里开始呢？
There's a thing called trad wife.
有一种东西叫传统妻子。
Now, trad wife is short for traditional wife, right?
现在，传统妻子是传统妻子的缩写，对吗？
Trad wife is, like, this content thing that they do on TikTok.
传统妻子就是他们在 TikTok 上做的内容。
It's spilled over to Instagram a little bit.
它也有一点蔓延到 Instagram 上。
And it's basically women doing stuff around the house while telling women to be better women, right?
基本上，女性在家里做一些事情，同时告诉女性要成为更好的女性，对吗？
It's just like, why don't you be a lady, while she makes a pie or something.
就像，当她做馅饼或其他东西时，你为什么不做个女士呢。
I don't get it.
我不明白。
It's not for me.
这不适合我。
I'm not who watches it.
我不是看它的人。
But basically, there was this young white woman that was over here cooking something.
但基本上，有一个年轻的白人妇女在这里做饭。
It didn't look done.
看起来还没有完成。
And--
还有——
[LAUGHTER] Maybe it was done.
[笑声]也许已经完成了。
Maybe she's bad at it-- I don't know.
也许她不擅长——我不知道。
But it did not look done.
但看起来还没有完成。
But then she's talking about her friends.
但随后她谈到了她的朋友。
And then she says, 'cause then some of my friends out here are just, like, out here dating these guys and broke-ass [BLEEP] right?
然后她说，因为我的一些朋友就像在这里和这些家伙约会并且破产了[BLEEP]，对吧？
And she says it.
她就是这么说的。
She says it without missing a beat.
她毫不犹豫地说道。
She says it like you're not going to hear it, right?
她说得好像你不会听到一样，对吧？
So then, of course, everyone who saw this, it started this frenzy online, right?
那么，当然，每个看到这个的人都会在网上开始疯狂，对吧？
And so there were all these people-- she did it on TikTok.
所以就有了这么多人——她在 TikTok 上做到了这一点。
There was all these people commenting, replying, what's wrong with you?
这么多人评论、回复，你怎么了？
What are you doing?
你在干什么？
Are you trolling?
你在恶搞吗？
All stuff like that, right?
所有类似的事情，对吧？
And then she makes another video.
然后她制作了另一个视频。
And she's like, look, I made a video earlier that offended a community or something.
她说，看，我之前制作了一个冒犯社区或其他什么的视频。
[LAUGHTER] And I've really listened to the feedback.
[笑声] 我确实听取了反馈。
And I'm not going to lie-- I don't really give a care.
我不会撒谎——我真的不在乎。
Like, I don't know.
就像，我不知道。
So then they found her job, right, which is crazy, because you're a trad wife.
然后他们找到了她的工作，对吧，这太疯狂了，因为你是一个传统的妻子。
Why are you working?
你为什么工作？
Why are you--
你为什么——
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Why are you-- you're supposed to be a traditional-- why are you working at all?
你——你应该是一个传统的——为什么你要工作？
You can't trad wife on the side.
你不能把妻子放在一边。
You can't--
你不能——
[LAUGHTER] There's no such thing as halfway crooks.
[笑声] 世上没有半途而废的骗子。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
You got to be all in or all out, right?
你必须全力以赴或全力以赴，对吗？
And so then they found her job.
然后他们找到了她的工作。
Then they got her fired from her job, right?
然后他们就把她解雇了，对吗？
So then everyone was talking about how she clearly got fired.
然后每个人都在谈论她是如何被解雇的。
Even though they don't say her name, they issued a press release, because why else would they do it?
尽管他们没有透露她的名字，但他们发布了一份新闻稿，因为否则他们为什么要这么做呢？
And they were like, yeah, certain individual's not working here anymore.
他们说，是的，某个人不再在这里工作了。
So then, so then, she starts trying to cozy up to Newsmax and One Nation News and just a lot of the alt-right on Twitter and everything.
那么，那么，她开始试图讨好 Newsmax 和 One Nation News，以及 Twitter 上的很多另类右翼等等。
And she takes this spin of, I was canceled, right?
她认为我被取消了，对吗？
But she also just doesn't quite have the juice.
但她也没有那么多果汁。
You know what I mean by that?
你知道我的意思吗？
She doesn't quite have the presence and the energy of a real racist is going to be a newscaster.
她不太具备成为一名新闻播音员的真正种族主义者的风采和活力。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
She just doesn't have "it." Like when you're watching her, you're like, she's saying bad things, and they're annoying, but I'm not angry.
她只是没有“它”。就像当你看着她时，你会觉得，她在说坏话，而且很烦人，但我并不生气。
She just doesn't have the oomph to get me there.
她只是没有能力带我去那里。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
I've just never seen diet racism before, but that was it.
我以前从未见过饮食种族主义，但仅此而已。
So then she makes more videos, trying to double down harder.
于是她制作了更多视频，努力加倍努力。
And in these upcoming videos, she just gets way worse with it, gets even more bigoted with it.
在这些即将发布的视频中，她变得更糟，变得更加偏执。
So she's tweeting the N-word all the time.
所以她一直在推特上发“N”字。
She's been tweeting the N-word non-stop since she got fired, right?
自从她被解雇后，她就一直在不停地发推特，对吧？
And now, she's making videos where she's saying the F-word, right?
现在，她在制作视频时说着脏话，对吧？
And so, she's just going after everybody, just trying to prove how terrible that she is, right?
所以，她只是追随所有人，只是想证明她有多可怕，对吧？
And so then she starts trying to cozy up to a lot of these especially neo-Nazis as much as she can.
于是她开始尽可能地讨好这些人，尤其是新纳粹分子。
And then, then, a turn takes place, an incredible turn that I could not have predicted, one of the most insane things that has maybe happened so far this century-- the neo-Nazis start rejecting her as a PSYOP.
然后，然后，一个转折发生了，一个我无法预测的令人难以置信的转折，这可能是本世纪迄今为止发生的最疯狂的事情之一——新纳粹分子开始拒绝将她视为心理战者。
They--
他们——
Because they feel what I feel.
因为他们感受到了我的感受。
They see the video, and they're like, mm, you don't mean it, though.
他们看到视频后会说，嗯，不过你不是这个意思。
It's not--
这不是——
It's not, like, coming out of your stomach.
它不是从你的胃里出来的。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Like, it's not-- you're not even saying it with bass, you know?
就像，这不是——你甚至不是用低音说的，你知道吗？
You know?
你知道？
And so then, they were like, no, no, don't trust her, OK?
然后，他们就说，不，不，不要相信她，好吗？
Don't listen to her.
别听她的。
Don't follow her.
别跟着她。
She's working for the CIA.
她为中央情报局工作。
She's probably a Fed.
她可能是美联储。
They all turned on her.
他们都把矛头转向了她。
They started bullying her.
他们开始欺负她。
[LAUGHTER] It was absolutely insane.
[笑声] 这绝对是疯狂的。
It was one of those things where, then, she keeps trying to cozy up to them.
这就是她一直试图讨好他们的事情之一。
She keeps trying to take pictures with them.
她不断尝试与他们合影。
She's going to events and stuff like that.
她要去参加活动之类的。
And some of the ones that roll with her are rolling with her in real-time, you know?
有些与她一起滚动的人正在实时与她一起滚动，你知道吗？
And they're making fun of how other people are making fun of her.
他们正在取笑其他人如何取笑她。
But you can tell she's still not in yet, you know?
但你可以看出她还没来，知道吗？
She's not with them, hard.
她没有和他们在一起，很难。
And she just played it-- she played it poorly.
她只是弹奏——她弹得不好。
That's what happened.
这就是发生的事情。
She could have had a real shot.
她本可以有一次真正的机会。
She could have.
她本可以的。
But she doesn't have enough of the real-- you can tell she's not really racist.
但她没有足够的真实——你可以看出她并不是真正的种族主义者。
[LAUGHTER] I know it's a weird thing to say about somebody who's been saying the N-word non-stop for a week, but you can just tell she doesn't have the fire in her.
[笑声] 我知道对一个连续一周不停地说 N 字词的人来说这是一件很奇怪的事情，但你可以看出她内心没有热情。
You know?
你知道？
That's not how you do it.
你不是这样做的。
You are making racist people uncomfortable.
你让种族主义者感到不舒服。
You are making--
你正在做——
That's not how you do it.
你不是这样做的。
If you really want to be somebody as a racist, if you really want to make waves as a bigot, you start out slow.
如果你真的想成为一个种族主义者，如果你真的想成为一个偏执狂，你就得慢慢开始。
You start with a bunch of slow and steady dog whistles over decades.
一开始你会听到几十年来缓慢而稳定的狗哨声。
I mean, you never say the word outright.
我的意思是，你从来不直接说这个词。
You throw out a "thug" here every once in a while.
每隔一段时间你就会把一个“暴徒”扔到这里。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
[LAUGHTER] Every once in a while, like on a holiday, you can get real crazy with it.
[笑声] 每隔一段时间，比如在假期，你就会为之疯狂。
You can do, like, an "animals" or something.
你可以做一些“动物”之类的事情。
It's like, get people going, you know?
就像，让人们行动起来，你知道吗？
Plant your feet, but don't dig too deep.
站稳脚跟，但不要挖得太深。
[LAUGHTER] And then after a while, you start to ingratiate yourself.
[笑声] 过了一会儿，你开始讨好自己。
They start to be like, hey, she's one of us.
他们开始说，嘿，她是我们中的一员。
And then they bring in, and maybe they bring you in on a temporary basis.
然后他们会带进来，也许他们会暂时带你进来。
And they give you a little guest spot every now and again.
他们时不时地给你一个小小的客人位置。
And then after a couple of decades, you get a hosting gig, you know?
然后几十年后，你得到了一份主持工作，你知道吗？
Because be honest-- like, if a week from now, Megyn Kelly said the N-word, we'd be like, yep.
因为说实话，如果一周后梅根·凯利说出了那个恶毒的词，我们就会说，是的。
We expected that.
我们预料到了。
She's been earning it over decades.
几十年来，她一直在挣钱。
The expectation lands right on the strip perfectly.
期望完美地落在了地带上。
And then, then, we also find out that she might be single.
然后，然后，我们还发现她可能是单身。
So you're not only not a trad wife, you're not a wife.
所以你不仅不是一个传统妻子，你也不是一个妻子。
What are you doing?
你在干什么？
[LAUGHTER] What are you doing?
[笑声]你在做什么？
Where's your man right now?
你的男人现在在哪里？
She really put herself in the position where she really needs a husband.
她确实把自己放在了真正需要丈夫的位置上。
Josh Johnson performing in Philadelphia.
乔什·约翰逊在费城表演。
He's a correspondent for The Daily Show, currently on a nationwide stand-up tour.
他是《每日秀》的记者，目前正在全国范围内进行单口喜剧巡演。
To learn when he is coming to your city, go to joshjohnsoncomedy.com.
要了解他何时来到您的城市，请访问 joshjohnsoncomedy.com。
We did reach out to the woman who he told that story about.
我们确实联系了他讲述这个故事的那个女人。
Her name is Lilly Gaddis.
她的名字叫莉莉·加迪斯。
Just to be perfectly accurate, she was never on Newsmax or One Nation News, but she did appear on similar outlets-- InfoWars, Candace Owens.
准确地说，她从未出现在 Newsmax 或 One Nation News 上，但她确实出现在类似的媒体上——InfoWars、Candace Owens。
She wrote us back right away.
她立即给我们回信。
She said, hey, thanks for reaching out.
她说，嘿，谢谢你伸出援手。
Yes, I've seen this bit.
是的，我见过这一点。
It's fairly accurate, except for the trad wife part.
除了传统的妻子部分之外，它相当准确。
I never claimed at any time to be a trad wife.
我从来没有在任何时候声称自己是传统妻子。
It's actually a funny bit.
这实际上是一个有趣的事情。
She signed it, "Cheers, Lilly."
她签了字：“干杯，莉莉。”
Act Three, "Mom Thinks He Doth Protest Too Much." So now a story where lots of people are running towards peril.
第三幕，“妈妈认为他抗议得太多了。”现在是一个很多人都在走向危险的故事。
Reporter Kimu Elolia grew up going to Kenya every year for a month or so.
记者 Kimu Elolia 从小到大每年都会去肯尼亚一个月左右。
And so this June, he went back, like usual.
于是今年六月，他像往常一样回来了。
So I go into a store and do what I always do.
所以我走进一家商店，做我一直做的事情。
I go to buy a SIM card.
我去买一张SIM卡。
And as I'm checking out, I start hearing all these noises coming from the street.
当我退房时，我开始听到街上传来的所有噪音。
And so I step out, and it's hundreds of protesters that are sprinting towards me.
于是我走出去，数百名抗议者向我冲来。
And they're all being chased by the police.
他们都在被警察追捕。
And I realize I'm directly in the front lines of a protest.
我意识到我正处于抗议的前线。
And so I had my recorder on me, and so I turned it on.
所以我带着录音机，所以我打开了它。
[EXPLOSION] I'm seeing police on horseback chasing protesters, going around with wooden sticks and just beating people as they rode through, and then protesters retaliating and running back and chasing the police.
[爆炸]我看到警察骑着马追赶抗议者，拿着木棍四处走动，在人们骑马经过时殴打他们，然后抗议者进行报复，跑回来追警察。
And then they kind of regain their ground.
然后他们又重新站稳了脚跟。
Oh, so the line is moving forward and backward.
哦，所以队伍在向前和向后移动。
Yeah, it's going back and forth.
是的，它正在来回。
And police are shooting tear gas canisters.
警察正在发射催泪瓦斯罐。
One of them hits a guy in the leg, and he picks it up and drop kicks it like a soccer ball back towards the police.
其中一个击中了一个人的腿，他把它捡起来，像踢足球一样把它踢回给警察。
And these protests began a couple of months ago over a proposed tax hike, right?
这些抗议活动是在几个月前因拟议的增税而开始的，对吧？
Yeah, there were these really punitive tax hikes impacting a lot of Kenyan everyday items, like cooking oil, flour, tampons, even diapers.
是的，这些惩罚性的增税影响了肯尼亚的许多日常用品，比如食用油、面粉、卫生棉条，甚至尿布。
And this is the sort of thing, like, the government needed the money because there's IMF loans and stuff to pay off?
是这样的事情，比如，政府需要这笔钱，因为有国际货币基金组织的贷款和其他东西需要偿还？
Yeah, it was supposed to be the solution to pay back the IMF.
是的，这应该是偿还国际货币基金组织的解决方案。
But then it became something more than that.
但后来事情变得不止于此。
Yeah, it became this huge movement where people, especially young people, were just rejecting just the status quo of the way the Kenyan government's been operating.
是的，这变成了一场巨大的运动，人们，尤其是年轻人，只是拒绝肯尼亚政府运作的现状。
Politicians flaunting their Rolex watches, their Bentleys.
政客们炫耀他们的劳力士手表和宾利汽车。
This is on social media.
这是在社交媒体上。
Kimu Elolia On social media, while they're being asked to pay for way more for these regular everyday items.
Kimu Elolia 在社交媒体上，尽管他们被要求为这些日常用品支付更多费用。
And young people make up-- 75% of the population is under 35.
年轻人占总人口的 75% 年龄在 35 岁以下。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
Kimu Elolia Yeah, and the median age in the country is around 20 years old.
Kimu Elolia 是的，该国的平均年龄约为 20 岁。
And this young generation, they're crossing tribal lines.
而这一代年轻一代，他们正在跨越部落界限。
In the past, tribes, they typically act like de facto political parties.
在过去，部落通常表现得像事实上的政党。
And so one tribe will gain control of the country, and another tribe will be protesting.
因此，一个部落将获得国家的控制权，而另一个部落将进行抗议。
Oh, so now people from different tribes are protesting together in this way that's new.
哦，那么现在来自不同部落的人们以这种新的方式一起抗议。
Yeah, these young people are united.
是的，这些年轻人很团结。
And they really just see themselves as Kenyans.
他们真的只认为自己是肯尼亚人。
So I know that you got interested in the front line protesters who go to the part of the line where it's the most dangerous.
所以我知道你对前线抗议者感兴趣，他们前往最危险的部分。
And you started talking to one of them and his mom.
然后你开始与其中一个人和他的妈妈交谈。
Who is he?
他是谁？
So he goes by Ospina.
所以他就叫奥斯皮纳。
Ospina is 27.
奥斯皮纳今年 27 岁。
He's a law student.
他是一名法律系学生。
My sister introduced me to him, and she was telling me about this guy who-- he's in Kibera, which is a neighborhood in Nairobi.
我姐姐把我介绍给他，她告诉我这个人，他住在基贝拉，这是内罗毕的一个社区。
It's one of the largest slums in all of Africa.
它是全非洲最大的贫民窟之一。
You really can't go anywhere in the neighborhood without seeing the places he's touched and the projects he's done.
你真的不能去附近的任何地方而不看到他接触过的地方和他做过的项目。
And in these protests, he's going to the front lines, where most of the violence and arrests are happening.
在这些抗议活动中，他将前往前线，那里是大多数暴力和逮捕发生的地方。
Yeah, and because it's so dangerous, before he goes out each time, he says a prayer to himself.
是的，因为太危险了，所以每次出去之前，他都会对自己祈祷。
So, God, as I'm leaving this place, protect me, guide me, and be with me.
所以，上帝，当我离开这个地方时，请保护我，引导我，并与我同在。
Bless our country.
保佑我们的国家。
Be with my family.
和我的家人在一起。
Bless my mother.
祝福我的妈妈。
I know she's praying with me.
我知道她正在和我一起祈祷。
Amen.
阿门。
He's saying at the end there, bless my mother.
他最后说，保佑我的母亲。
What does his mom think of this, the fact that he goes to the front lines?
他的妈妈对他去前线的事实有何看法？
His mom does not approve.
他妈妈不同意。
She does not want him going at all.
她根本不想让他走。
And you put together this story about what this has done to the relationship and how they're managing with each other.
你把这个故事放在一起，讲述这对你们的关系造成了什么影响，以及他们如何处理彼此的关系。
Let's hear that now.
现在让我们听听。
In your story, the name that she asked us to call her is Anna.
在你的故事中，她要求我们称呼她的名字是安娜。
In the beginning, when he started going to the protests, Ospina dealt with his mom by lying to her.
一开始，当他开始参加抗议活动时，奥斯皮纳通过对母亲撒谎来对付她。
He'd come back home from the front lines, shower the tear gas off, and drop by her house, pretending he'd been having a normal day.
他从前线回到家，用淋浴喷洒催泪瓦斯，然后顺便去她家，假装自己度过了正常的一天。
But he wasn't so good at keeping it a secret.
但他不太擅长保守秘密。
Like, one day, at a protest, a TV crew put a mic in front of him and started interviewing him.
就像有一天，在一场抗议活动中，电视台工作人员把麦克风放在他面前，开始采访他。
Anna found out.
安娜发现了。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter My friend called me and told me that they have seen Ospina on TV.
[斯瓦希里语] 翻译 我的朋友打电话给我，告诉我他们在电视上看到了奥斯皮纳。
So I was calling Ospina.
所以我打电话给奥斯皮纳。
I was just at the middle of finishing my interview.
我刚刚完成采访。
Then the phone was ringing.
然后电话响了。
Then I just see, ah, it's Mom.
然后我才看到，啊，是妈妈。
This woman is going to make it difficult for me.
这个女人会让我为难的。
And I was like, where are you?
我当时想，你在哪里？
And he was just not telling me.
他只是没有告诉我。
Then I was like, you were on TV for the protest.
然后我就想，你在电视上参加抗议活动。
And he just kept laughing.
他只是一直笑。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Ospina My mom is funny when she's angry.
[说斯瓦希里语] 奥斯皮纳 我妈妈生气的时候很有趣。
She just starts yelling.
她刚开始大喊大叫。
[CHUCKLES] I'm like, I'm just home.
[笑]我想，我只是在家。
Then she's like, you're lying.
然后她就说，你在撒谎。
I've seen you on TV.
我在电视上见过你。
Then I'm like, are you sure?
然后我就想，你确定吗？
Which station did you see me?
你在哪一站看到我？
I'm just home.
我刚到家。
Then she's like, I need you to come back right now.
然后她说，我需要你现在就回来。
He was laughing, telling his friends, like, oh, my mom is panicked.
他笑着告诉他的朋友，哦，我妈妈很惊慌。
[CHUCKLING] Kimu Elolia Ospina and Anna have always been close.
[咯咯笑] Kimu Elolia Ospina 和 Anna 一直很亲密。
They talk all the time and tease each other.
他们总是说话，互相取笑。
He lives a 10-minute walk away.
他住在距离酒店有10分钟步行路程的地方。
Sometimes he'll bring his friends to the food stand she runs.
有时他会带他的朋友去她经营的小吃摊。
It's called Mama Chapati.
它的名字叫妈妈薄饼。
She's there all day in a blue or white dress.
她整天穿着蓝色或白色的裙子。
Ospina looks just like her.
奥斯皮纳看起来就像她一样。
And over the years, he's done other stuff she didn't approve of at first and later came around to, like soccer, or football, whatever you want to call it.
这些年来，他做了一些她一开始不赞成但后来逐渐接受的事情，比如足球，或者橄榄球，无论你怎么称呼它。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter He was keen on football.
[斯瓦希里语] 翻译 他热衷于足球。
He used to play a lot.
他过去经常玩。
And I didn't see any value in playing football.
我不认为踢足球有任何价值。
In fact, it was such a nuisance because he'd come back home so dirty.
事实上，这真是太麻烦了，因为他回到家时浑身脏兮兮的。
Then, when Ospina was 14, Anna and her husband couldn't afford to send him to school for a year.
然后，当奥斯皮纳 14 岁时，安娜和她的丈夫无力供他上一年学。
Anna says he took it well.
安娜说他接受得很好。
She said he understood and was very grown-up about it.
她说他理解并且对此非常成熟。
And then he took on odd jobs and played a lot of soccer.
然后他开始打零工并踢了很多足球。
And she saw how happy it made him.
她看到这让他多么高兴。
He played so well that two soccer scouts got him a scholarship that put him back in the classroom.
他踢得非常好，两名足球球探为他提供了奖学金，让他回到了教室。
Anna was grateful.
安娜很感激。
She grew up in a village and only got through the fifth grade and wanted more for her kids.
她在农村长大，只读完五年级，希望为孩子们提供更多。
A similar thing happened when Ospina decided to clean up their neighborhood.
当奥斯皮纳决定清理他们的社区时，也发生了类似的事情。
Kibera at the time had no roads, no streetlights, no trash collection.
当时的基贝拉没有道路，没有路灯，也没有垃圾收集设施。
At first, when he told Anna he was going to pick up the trash himself, she thought he was joking.
起初，当他告诉安娜他要自己去捡垃圾时，她以为他在开玩笑。
But within a few years, he was coordinating trash pickups for hundreds of houses.
但几年之内，他就协调了数百所房屋的垃圾收集工作。
And she came around.
她转过身来。
Ospina has so many projects going in Kibera these days-- organizing events and mentorship for kids, a greenhouse that grows and sells food, a water sanitation program-- lots of neighbors are pinning their hopes on him.
奥斯皮纳现在在基贝拉有很多项目正在进行——为孩子们组织活动和指导、种植和销售食物的温室、水卫生项目——许多邻居都把希望寄托在他身上。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter A lot of parents support him because he's helping their kids.
[斯瓦希里语] 翻译 许多家长支持他，因为他正在帮助他们的孩子。
What I tried to tell him-- and he never listens, and I never get across to him-- is how important he is to me.
我试图告诉他——他从来不听，我也从来没有向他表达过——他对我来说是多么重要。
He is very, very important to me.
他对我来说非常非常重要。
And he has such a wonderful dream for our future, for the future of Kenya.
他对我们的未来、肯尼亚的未来有着如此美好的梦想。
So he told me about these dreams.
所以他告诉我这些梦想。
He gave me these hopes.
他给了我这些希望。
Up until now, Anna has liked Ospina's optimism.
到目前为止，安娜很喜欢奥斯皮纳的乐观态度。
She liked the way he's pushed her.
她喜欢他推动她的方式。
But she's lived through years of de facto one-party rule, seen protests get ruthlessly put down and activists get killed.
但她经历了多年事实上的一党统治，目睹了抗议活动被无情镇压，活动人士被杀害。
And this time around, she doesn't understand where Ospina is coming from.
而这一次，她不明白奥斯皮纳是从哪里来的。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter Most of the time, he listens.
[说斯瓦希里语] 翻译 大多数时候，他都在听。
But recently, he's just been deciding that I'm just someone who's afraid all the time, and I'm speaking out of fear.
但最近，他开始认为我只是一个一直害怕的人，而我是出于害怕而说话的。
So he doesn't listen.
所以他不听。
Why do you feel like he thinks you're just speaking out of fear?
为什么你觉得他认为你只是出于恐惧而说话？
I think it's just an assumption, because I'm a woman, and I'm a mother.
我认为这只是一个假设，因为我是一个女人，我是一个母亲。
And men just assume that we are, we are always talking from fear.
人们只是认为我们是，我们总是出于恐惧而说话。
Do you think that, in this case, it is out of fear?
你认为，在这种情况下，是出于恐惧吗？
Yes, he's right.
是的，他是对的。
Yeah, he's right.
是的，他是对的。
It's right.
是的。
It was fear.
那是恐惧。
For the first few weeks of the protest, Anna and Ospina went back and forth, her telling him not to go, him lying to her, until things reached a boiling point on June 25.
在抗议活动的最初几周，安娜和奥斯皮纳来来回回，她告诉他不要去，他对她撒谎，直到 6 月 25 日事情达到沸点。
Members of parliament have today passed the controversial finance bill with key amendments.
议会成员今天通过了有争议的财政法案，并进行了关键修正案。
The bill will now be forwarded to President William Ruto for assent.
该法案现在将提交给威廉·鲁托总统批准。
Instead of killing the tax hikes like the protesters demanded, Kenya's parliament just made a few changes and pushed the bill through.
肯尼亚议会并没有像抗议者要求的那样取消增税，而是做了一些改变并推动了该法案的通过。
And in response, Ospina and thousands of other protesters rushed to parliament, stormed the building, and some set part of it on fire on live TV.
作为回应，奥斯皮纳和其他数千名抗议者冲向议会，冲进了大楼，一些人在电视直播中放火焚烧了大楼的一部分。
I remember it felt like the whole country was watching.
我记得感觉整个国家都在看着。
It got violent.
事情变得很暴力。
A young kid from the neighborhood, came, and he was buying food from me.
邻居家的一个小孩子过来了，他正在向我买食物。
But he was out of breath, and he told me, Mom, they killed someone in front of me.
但他已经上气不接下气了，他告诉我，妈妈，他们在我面前杀了一个人。
And I saw his brains, and I had to crawl out.
我看到了他的大脑，我不得不爬出去。
And I'm so, so lucky to have made it out.
我非常非常幸运能够成功。
And you could see in his eyes that he has seen things that he shouldn't see, shouldn't have seen.
而且你可以从他的眼神中看到，他看到了不该看到的东西，不该看到的东西。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter I was so scared because Ospina had said that they were going to go to parliament.
[斯瓦希里语] 翻译 我非常害怕，因为奥斯皮纳说他们要去议会。
And I tried calling his phone.
我尝试拨打他的电话。
I tried calling his phone.
我尝试拨打他的电话。
And his phone-- I couldn't reach him.
还有他的电话——我联系不上他。
I kept getting this voice message.
我不断收到这条语音消息。
I was restless.
我焦躁不安。
My stomach hurt.
我的肚子疼。
I had no energy.
我没有力气了。
And I felt like something very bad is about to happen to someone that I depend on, someone who has my hopes, was the carrier of my hopes.
我感觉一些非常糟糕的事情即将发生在我所依赖的人身上，一个拥有我的希望、承载着我希望的人身上。
Over a dozen people were killed.
十多人被杀。
Anna called Ospina over and over, started asking people who passed her chapati stand if they'd seen him, called his siblings, called his friends, praying he'd pick up the phone.
安娜一遍又一遍地给奥斯皮纳打电话，开始询问经过她薄煎饼摊的人是否见过他，给他的兄弟姐妹、他的朋友打电话，祈祷他能接电话。
Then her daughter told her about something she saw on TV.
然后她的女儿告诉她她在电视上看到的一件事。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter Lillian, my daughter, came and told me that she'd seen someone who was dressed exactly like Ospina who had been shot.
[说斯瓦希里语] 我的女儿莉莲 (Lillian) 翻译过来告诉我，她看到一个人的穿着与中枪的奥斯皮纳 (Ospina) 一模一样。
And he was wearing the exact same shoes that Ospina was wearing.
他穿的鞋子和奥斯皮纳一模一样。
So I was so anxious.
所以我才这么着急。
I couldn't-- I hadn't-- like, everything left me.
我不能——我没有——就像，一切都离开了我。
All my life left me.
我的一生都离开了我。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter Because my hopes and dreams and future lies with those children.
[斯瓦希里语] 口译员 因为我的希望、梦想和未来都在这些孩子身上。
So if something happens to them, how can I continue going on?
那么如果他们出了什么事，我该如何继续下去呢？
And I kept wondering how my life will be if that's actually my child.
我一直在想，如果那真的是我的孩子，我的生活会怎样。
Finally, at around 9:00 PM, one of Ospina's friends called.
最后，晚上 9:00 左右，奥斯皮纳的一位朋友打来电话。
Ospina was OK.
奥斯皮纳还好。
Anna rushed out to meet him, and she found him in the middle of the street.
安娜冲出去迎接他，结果在街道中央发现了他。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter The first thing I told him, like, I thank god that you are still alive, but please don't ever go back to the protests.
[说斯瓦希里语] 翻译 我告诉他的第一件事是，我感谢上帝你还活着，但请不要再回到抗议活动中。
And he said, I have to go.
他说，我得走了。
And I told him, listen to me, I'm your parent.
我告诉他，听我说，我是你的父母。
If something happens to you, Kenya is not losing anything.
如果你出了什么事，肯尼亚也不会失去任何东西。
I am the person that's losing.
我就是那个正在失去的人。
I'm losing you.
我正在失去你。
But he was adamant that he has to go back.
但他坚持要回去。
He was, like, high with energy, explaining everything that happened with so much gusto.
他精力充沛，兴致勃勃地解释发生的一切。
And meanwhile, I'm shaking.
与此同时，我在发抖。
And I'm like, this child doesn't know what he put me through.
我想，这个孩子不知道他让我经历了什么。
Yeah, I mean, it just made me feel like she just doesn't understand why I'm doing whatever I'm doing.
是的，我的意思是，这让我觉得她只是不明白我为什么要做我正在做的事情。
I mean, my mom is not comfortable with me being an activist because she's like, just relax.
我的意思是，我妈妈对我成为一名活动家感到不舒服，因为她觉得，放松点。
Have a family, you know?
有家庭，你知道吗？
So, I mean, that is why sometimes we don't get along.
所以，我的意思是，这就是为什么有时我们相处不好的原因。
And I find it so difficult sometimes to keep on repeating it.
我发现有时很难继续重复它。
Ospina felt like, I'm responsible, and I do everything I can to get home safely.
奥斯皮纳觉得，我有责任，我会尽我所能安全回家。
He wished his mom could see that.
他希望他的妈妈能看到这一点。
He went back to his place and turned off his phone, shutting everyone out.
他回到自己的住处，关掉手机，将所有人拒之门外。
Two days later, Ospina stopped by Anna's chapati stand with some of his friends and told her they were headed to another demonstration.
两天后，奥斯皮纳和他的一些朋友来到安娜的薄煎饼摊前，告诉她他们要去参加另一场示威活动。
In front of everyone on the street, including his friends, Anna dropped to her knees.
当着街上所有人的面，包括他的朋友们，安娜跪了下来。
I knew that I had to do something that will make them think, what has made Mom go down on her knees?
我知道我必须做一些让他们思考的事情，是什么让妈妈跪下了？
Maybe this is something we should rethink.
也许这是我们应该重新思考的事情。
Mm.
毫米。
That's such a vulnerable thing to do.
这是一件非常脆弱的事情。
Some people would feel humiliated.
有些人会感到羞辱。
I didn't care about shame.
我不在乎羞耻。
In fact, people were laughing.
事实上，人们在笑。
Spectators were laughing.
观众们都笑了。
They were laughing?
他们在笑？
Interpreter They were laughing, pointing at me, telling each other, look, Mama Chapati is so afraid.
翻译 他们笑着指着我，互相告诉对方，看，查帕蒂妈妈好害怕。
His kids are going to go and protest.
他的孩子们会去抗议。
What did you see in his face at that moment?
那一刻你从他脸上看到了什么？
So in his face, I saw denial.
所以在他的脸上，我看到了否认。
It's like he did not want to hear me say what I wanted to say.
就好像他不想听我说我想说的话。
I mean, it was so insane.
我的意思是，这太疯狂了。
I just had to leave.
我只得离开。
Oh, you walked out?
哦，你出去了？
Ospina Yeah, I just walked out.
奥斯皮纳 是的，我刚出去。
Why?
为什么？
Ospina I've never seen such a thing.
奥斯皮纳 我从来没有见过这样的事。
And from my understanding, it's not allowed to be happening.
据我了解，这是不允许发生的。
So I was like, this is so weird.
所以我想，这太奇怪了。
So I cannot just stay there because I don't know the best thing to do.
所以我不能只是留在那里，因为我不知道该怎么做。
I can't comfort her.
我无法安慰她。
I can't explain anything, you know.
我无法解释任何事情，你知道。
Ospina walked away, went to the protests.
奥斯皮纳走开，前往抗议活动。
But that night, the image of his mom kneeling, begging, it weighed on his mind.
但那天晚上，妈妈跪着乞讨的画面，让他心头沉重。
That was massive because, I mean, I felt like she'd gone too low.
这是巨大的，因为，我的意思是，我觉得她太低落了。
I actually found it so difficult to sleep.
事实上我发现很难入睡。
I had a lot of anxiety.
我很焦虑。
Then I was like, I need to take some few break, reflect, and make a good choice.
然后我想，我需要休息一下，反思一下，然后做出一个好的选择。
The next day, Ospina went to visit his mom.
第二天，奥斯皮纳去看望他的妈妈。
First of all, I started by apologizing for not listening, putting her in that situation and all the emotion to make me feel like I'm listening to her.
首先，我首先为没有听她说话而道歉，把她置于那种境地，所有的情绪让我觉得我在听她说话。
Did you promise her anything in that moment?
那一刻你有向她承诺过什么吗？
Yes.
是的。
First, I promised to just to tell her the truth, that anytime I'll be going for the protest, I'll be letting her know.
首先，我答应告诉她真相，无论何时我要去抗议，我都会让她知道。
Then anytime I felt like it was so dangerous, I will not be going.
然后每当我觉得它很危险时，我就不会去。
If it's bad, I will just be there for a few moments, and I'll try to be very responsible.
如果情况不好，我只会在那里呆一会儿，我会尽力承担起责任。
Did she feel like that was good enough for her?
她觉得这对她来说已经足够了吗？
No, not really.
不，不是真的。
Kimu Elolia Do you know what else-- what else did she want to hear?
Kimu Elolia 你知道她还想听什么吗？
She just wanted to hear [LAUGHS] I will not go.
她只是想听[笑]我不会去。
I will never go again.
我永远不会再去了。
Even though Anna didn't get what she wanted-- Ospina would continue to go to the protests-- she was satisfied.
尽管安娜没有得到她想要的东西——奥斯皮纳会继续参加抗议活动——但她已经很满意了。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter Yeah, so I saw that, now, he's listening.
[说斯瓦希里语] 翻译 是的，所以我看到了，现在，他正在听。
And yeah.
是的。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter I was so happy.
[说斯瓦希里语] 翻译 我很高兴。
I had to be happy.
我必须感到高兴。
Yeah.
是的。
Did you celebrate?
你庆祝了吗？
Anna [SPEAKING SWAHILI]
安娜 [说斯瓦希里语]
A lot.
很多。
Kimu Elolia That night, she cooked a special meal for Ospina and her entire family.
那天晚上，Kimu Elolia 为奥斯皮纳和她的全家做了一顿特别的饭菜。
In the weeks after the parliament protests, the president actually made some pretty big concessions, but not enough for the protesters, who still want him out.
在议会抗议后的几周内，总统实际上做出了一些相当大的让步，但对于仍然希望他下台的抗议者来说还不够。
They're still on the streets, and it's gotten more intense.
他们仍然在街上，而且情况变得更加激烈。
Amnesty International says that at least 49 people have been abducted by the government.
国际特赦组织表示，至少有 49 人被政府绑架。
Protesters have been disappeared, with a couple showing up dead.
抗议者已经失踪，其中有一对夫妇死亡。
At first, the government denied any involvement, but now, President Ruto is at least talking about possible investigations.
起初，政府否认有任何参与，但现在，鲁托总统至少正在谈论可能的调查。
Ospina skipped a couple of protests because they seemed too dangerous, like a planned march to the Nairobi airport.
奥斯皮纳跳过了几次抗议活动，因为它们看起来太危险了，比如计划前往内罗毕机场的游行。
But he is having a hard time keeping all of his promises to Anna.
但他很难兑现对安娜的所有承诺。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter So there are times when he disappears for a whole day.
[说斯瓦希里语] 翻译 所以有时他会消失一整天。
And then when he comes back, I'm like, I know you went to the protest.
然后当他回来时，我说，我知道你参加了抗议活动。
And sometimes, he'll admit and be like, OK, fine.
有时，他会承认并说，好吧，好吧。
I went, but I wasn't in the front lines.
我去了，但我不在前线。
I was at the very back.
我当时在最后面。
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter I don't believe it at all, not for a second.
[说斯瓦希里语] 翻译 我根本不相信，一点也不相信。
How does it make you feel that he lies to you about going to the protest?
你怎么觉得他在参加抗议的事上对你撒了谎？
I'm so annoyed by that, by the lies.
我对此、对谎言感到非常恼火。
And I'm so afraid for him.
我很为他担心。
Mm.
毫米。
He told us that he lies to you because he doesn't want to burden you.
他告诉我们他对你撒谎是因为他不想给你增加负担。
How does that make you feel?
这让你感觉如何？
[SPEAKING SWAHILI] Interpreter I just keep wondering why he wants to die so early, and he has so much to do.
[说斯瓦希里语] 翻译 我一直想知道为什么他想这么早死，而且他还有很多事情要做。
Why?
为什么？
So here they both are.
所以他们都在这里。
He's not going to change, and she's not going to feel better about it.
他不会改变，她也不会因此感觉好一点。
So he keeps heading off into danger, and she keeps hoping for the best.
因此，他不断走向危险，而她却一直抱有最好的希望。
And the protests just continue.
抗议活动仍在继续。
Kimu Elolia.
基姆·埃洛利亚.
This story was produced by Emmanuel Dzotsi with additional reporting by Henry Larson.
本故事由伊曼纽尔·佐西 (Emmanuel Dzotsi) 制作，亨利·拉尔森 (Henry Larson) 进行补充报道。
Vincho Nchogu translated what Anna was saying.
文乔·恩乔古翻译了安娜所说的话。
Additional translation by Happiness Bulugu.
幸福布鲁古的补充翻译。
Well, our program was produced today by Sean Cole.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由肖恩·科尔制作的。
The people who put together today's show include Phia Bennin, Michael Comite, Aviva DeKornfeld, Seth Lind, Tobin Low, Katherine Rae Mondo, Nadia Reiman, Ryan Rumery, Alissa Shipp, Ike Sriskandarajah, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Phia Bennin、Michael Comite、Aviva DeKornfeld、Seth Lind、Tobin Low、Katherine Rae Mondo、Nadia Reiman、Ryan Rumery、Alissa Shipp、Ike Sriskandarajah、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的高级编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Special thanks today to Virginia Smith, Elisabeth Calamari, Beth Mausteller, Sammie Kosslow, Nathan Zasler, John Leddy, Irungu Houghton and Amnesty International Kenya, Ernest Cornel at the Kenya Human Rights Coalition, Joshua Changwony, Theo Among, and Amanda Sperber.
今天特别感谢 Virginia Smith、Elisabeth Calamari、Beth Mausteller、Sammie Kosslow、Nathan Zasler、John Leddy、Irungu Houghton 和国际特赦组织肯尼亚、肯尼亚人权联盟的 Ernest Cornel、Joshua Changwony、Theo Below 和 Amanda Sperber。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 800 episodes for absolutely free on your summer road trips or wherever.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在夏季公路旅行或任何地方免费观看我们的 800 多集档案。
Again, thisamericanlife.org.
再说一次，thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's confounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的混杂者 Torey Malatia 先生。
He and I have been debating what costumes we're going to wear to this year's Star Trek convention.
他和我一直在讨论我们要穿什么服装参加今年的《星际迷航》大会。
He always wants us to be Vulcans, like Mr. Spock.
他总是希望我们成为瓦肯人，就像斯波克先生一样。
We're going to have to pin our ears and go after this thing.
我们必须竖起耳朵追查这件事。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。