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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass My grandfather, Melvin, ran a hardware store in Baltimore that also sold model trains.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 我的祖父梅尔文在巴尔的摩经营一家五金店，也出售火车模型。
And he had a huge-- and I mean huge-- train set in the basement of his house on Pimlico Road that I loved.
他在皮姆利科路的房子的地下室里有一辆巨大的——我是说巨大的——火车，我很喜欢。
This thing was vast, with tunnels and bridges and towns and streetlights that lit.
这东西很大，有隧道、桥梁、城镇和亮着的路灯。
And the train engines puff smoke as they scooted around the track on this big, wooden platform in the basement in the middle of all this epic amount of clutter and junk and his tools and, for some reason, a mimeograph machine.
火车引擎在地下室这个巨大的木制平台上绕着铁轨行驶时冒出浓烟，平台上堆满了大量的杂物、垃圾和他的工具，出于某种原因，还有一台油印机。
And in the corner of the basement was the filthiest toilet I had ever seen-- like, frighteningly dirty to me as a little suburban kid.
地下室的角落里是我见过的最肮脏的厕所——对于我这个郊区小孩子来说，肮脏得可怕。
The whole basement was a chamber of chaos, and it was the most unsettlingly-chaotic thing in it.
整个地下室就是一个混乱的房间，而且是里面最令人不安的混乱的地方。
But that is not the story I'm here to tell.
但这不是我在这里要讲的故事。
The story I'm here to tell is about Melvin and one of his sisters.
我在这里要讲的故事是关于梅尔文和他的一个姐妹的。
Uncle Bennett?
贝内特叔叔？
Uncle Bennett Yes, you got it.
贝内特叔叔 是的，你明白了。
To be sure I was getting the facts absolutely right on this thing, I called the last person in the family who might remember it, my Uncle Bennett.
为了确保我对这件事的了解绝对正确，我给家里最后一个可能记得这件事的人打了电话，我的贝内特叔叔。
He was at home.
他在家。
[PHONE RINGS] Uncle Bennett Wait a minute.
[电话铃声]贝内特叔叔等一下。
Hold on for one second.
坚持一秒钟。
Yeah, well do.
是的，很好。
Uncle Bennett Yeah, yeah.
贝内特叔叔 是啊是啊。
Hello?
你好？
Hello?
你好？
Yeah, Renee?
是吗，蕾妮？
Renee is Bennett's girlfriend.
蕾妮是贝内特的女朋友。
They live together.
他们住在一起。
That was Renee.
那是蕾妮。
She wasn't sure if I was home.
她不确定我是否在家。
Wait, wait.
等等，等等。
Is she in the house and she called you?
她在家里并且给你打电话吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass I guess you're getting this-- these are older people who do not want to be bothered to cross the house or yell from room to room.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我想你已经明白了——这些都是老年人，他们不想被打扰穿过房子或从一个房间到另一个房间大喊大叫。
Anyway, the story-- the story that I'm here to tell about my grandfather, Melvin, and his brothers and sisters.
不管怎样，这个故事——我来这里是要讲述我的祖父梅尔文和他的兄弟姐妹的故事。
Let me just give you the family geography here.
让我简单介绍一下这里的家庭地理。
He's one of four kids.
他是四个孩子之一。
And for the purposes of this particular story, you should imagine them in two competing teams.
出于这个特定故事的目的，您应该将他们想象成两个相互竞争的团队。
There are the two older kids, Melvin and Dorothy, and the two younger kids, Ray and Calvin.
有两个较大的孩子，梅尔文和多萝西，以及两个较小的孩子，雷和卡尔文。
OK, Melvin and Dorothy, Ray and Calvin.
好的，梅尔文和多萝西，雷和卡尔文。
It's 1964, and their mom dies.
那是 1964 年，他们的妈妈去世了。
The four kids are all in their 40s and 50s at this point.
这四个孩子现在都在40多岁和50多岁。
And then just after she died--
然后就在她死后——
What happened was, Ray came up from Florida.
发生的事情是，雷从佛罗里达来。
And Calvin and Ray started taking things out of the house-- the silver tea service I remember that she had in the dining room.
卡尔文和雷开始把东西搬出屋子——我记得她在餐厅里有银茶具。
Whatever she had of value, they took.
无论她有什么值钱的东西，他们都拿走了。
And there was china, right?
还有中国，对吧？
Like, the thing that I had always heard is that there was china and silverware.
就像，我一直听说的是有瓷器和银器。
Yeah, china, silverware, things like that.
是的，瓷器，银器，诸如此类的东西。
They just came in like hordes of locusts.
他们就像成群的蝗虫一样涌来。
And my father got nothing.
而我父亲什么也没得到。
And Dorothy apparently allegedly got nothing.
据称，多萝西显然一无所获。
Again, the two older kids-- Melvin and Dorothy.
又是两个大一点的孩子——梅尔文和多萝西。
The younger kids, Calvin and Ray, took all the good stuff.
年幼的孩子卡尔文和雷拿走了所有好东西。
And then my father was really upset about it.
然后我父亲对此感到非常沮丧。
Yeah, mm-hmm.
是的，嗯嗯。
Ira Glass This, Bennett explained to me, was apparently typical behavior for Ray.
艾拉·格拉斯 贝内特向我解释说，这显然是雷的典型行为。
Ray was always-- like, when she was growing up, they used to say that at dinner, she would take the biggest piece of meat.
雷总是——就像，在她成长的过程中，他们常说，在晚餐时，她会吃最大的一块肉。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
And then the way I remember it is that she takes the stuff, they fight about it, and they never spoke to Ray again.
然后我记得她拿走了这些东西，他们为此争吵，然后他们再也没有和雷说过话。
No. Ira Glass Didn't talk to her, didn't talk about her.
不。艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）没有跟她说话，没有谈论她。
No, it was just too aggravating, you know?
不，这太令人恼火了，你知道吗？
Calvin, meanwhile-- Ray's partner in this family heist-- Calvin was a baby in the family, 13 years younger than the next-oldest kid.
与此同时，卡尔文——雷在这次家庭抢劫中的伙伴——卡尔文是家里的婴儿，比第二大的孩子小 13 岁。
And the way that I always heard it, nobody held this against Calvin because everybody knew that Ray could just push him around and get him to do whatever she wanted.
我一直听到的是，没有人反对卡尔文，因为每个人都知道雷可以任由他摆布，让他做任何她想做的事。
So Calvin was around.
所以卡尔文就在附近。
I remember Calvin clowning around, doing little magic tricks for me at charity crab feasts that Dorothy used to organize all through my childhood.
我记得卡尔文在我童年时经常在多萝西组织的慈善螃蟹盛宴上表演小丑表演，为我表演一些小魔术。
But not Ray.
但雷不是。
It really was like Ray never existed, was never spoken about, off in Florida.
就好像雷从未存在过，从未被谈论过，在佛罗里达州。
I and my sisters met her only one time.
我和我的姐妹们只见过她一次。
Bennett, her own nephew-- Bennett only met her once on a trip to Miami after he was married.
贝内特，她自己的侄子——贝内特结婚后只在去迈阿密的一次旅行中见过她一次。
And I called Ray.
我给雷打了电话。
And she and Uncle Irvin came up, picked us up, and took us to Wolfie's-- [COUGH] pardon me-- which is a deli restaurant.
她和欧文叔叔过来接我们，带我们去沃尔菲餐厅——[咳嗽]对不起——那是一家熟食店。
Yeah.
是的。
Uncle Bennett That was the only contact I ever had with her my whole life.
贝内特叔叔 这是我一生中与她唯一的接触。
And then I remember when Melvin died, Ray not coming to his funeral.
然后我记得梅尔文去世时，雷没有参加他的葬礼。
No, of course not.
不，当然不是。
Ira Glass And I remember being so stunned by that, that a person could be in such a fight with their own sibling that they wouldn't show up at their funeral.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我记得对此感到非常震惊，一个人可能会与自己的兄弟姐妹发生争执，以至于他们不会出现在葬礼上。
Oh, it happens all the time, Ira.
哦，这种事经常发生，艾拉。
And it's usually over money.
而且通常都是超过钱的。
I think this story really got to me when I was a kid, and I first heard it because it was the very first glimpse I had at the idea that you can destroy things completely-- like, totally wreck them beyond repair-- with somebody you know so well.
我想这个故事对我来说真的很触动，当我还是个孩子的时候，我第一次听到这个故事是因为这是我第一次看到这样的想法：你可以和一个你非常熟悉的人一起彻底摧毁事物——比如，完全摧毁它们，无法修复。
I mean, I guess I'm lucky that I lived in a family where something like this would be so rare.
我的意思是，我想我很幸运，因为我生活在一个像这样的事情很少见的家庭。
But still, for me, personally, that has been a hard lesson to hold on to.
但就我个人而言，这仍然是一个难以坚持的教训。
When I was married and things were going badly and we were in counseling and trying to patch it together for so many years-- like, more years than I want to admit here on the radio-- and I think part of it was because I just had this feeling, like, we are not people who get divorced.
当我结婚时，事情进展得很糟糕，我们花了很多年时间进行咨询并试图修补关系——比我想在广播中承认的时间还要长——我认为部分原因是因为我有这样的感觉，就像，我们不是离婚的人。
Like, we are bigger than that somehow.
就像，我们比那更大。
My mom was a marriage therapist.
我妈妈是一名婚姻治疗师。
I just couldn't accept-- I think we both couldn't accept-- that we had just broken things between us so badly that there was no coming back from it.
我只是无法接受——我想我们都无法接受——我们之间的关系已经严重破裂，以至于无法挽回。
I just didn't want to admit that-- which brings me to Humpty Dumpty.
我只是不想承认这一点——这让我想到了矮胖子。
I didn't know this, but some of my coworkers with little kids at home were talking about how unsettling Humpty Dumpty is to some of those kids.
我不知道这一点，但我的一些家里有小孩的同事正在谈论矮胖子对其中一些孩子来说是多么令人不安。
Laura said that at the doctor's office, there's a poster.
劳拉说在医生的办公室里有一张海报。
And their two-year-old saw it and after that was like, someone can break and not go back together?
他们两岁的孩子看到了，然后就想，有人可以分手却不能再一起回去吗？
And then remembered it when they went back to that office a year later.
一年后他们回到那间办公室时又想起了这件事。
Yeah, to fix it.
是的，要修复它。
Zoe You want to fix Humpty Dumpty?
佐伊 你想修复矮胖子吗？
Yeah.
是的。
I cannot do it.
我做不到。
Ira Glass We posted a thing on social media about this and got a ton of responses from parents whose kids were terrified of Humpty Dumpty.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我们在社交媒体上发布了相关内容，并得到了孩子们害怕矮胖子的家长的大量回复。
One said her preschooler couldn't stand to see her crack eggs in the kitchen because it reminded her of the nursery rhyme.
一位学生说，她的学龄前儿童无法忍受看到她在厨房里打鸡蛋，因为这让她想起了童谣。
Another said her two-year-old spent weeks asking if he could recreate the story with an egg from the fridge, which they did-- like, a few times-- puzzling over the impossibility of putting an egg back together once it's cracked.
另一个人说，她两岁的孩子花了几个星期的时间问他是否可以用冰箱里的鸡蛋重现这个故事，他们确实这样做了——有好几次——对鸡蛋破裂后不可能再重新组装起来感到困惑。
A few people wrote to talk about how it messed them up as kids to picture Humpty Dumpty left there in pieces on the side of the road, sad look on his face.
有几个人写信讲述了小时候看到“矮胖子”被扔在路边、脸上挂着悲伤表情的画面，这让他们感到多么难过。
A woman named Isabella wrote, "I wondered if he had to exist conscious in his cracked state forever or if he would slowly die.
一位名叫伊莎贝拉的女士写道：“我想知道他是否必须永远以破碎的状态保持清醒，或者是否会慢慢死去。
Because he seemed to be still alive after he had cracked."
因为在他裂开之后，他看起来还活着。”
There's something about that image of someone broken so badly that nothing can fix it, that things can go so wrong, the finality of that-- before you understand all the bad things that can happen in the world, how things come apart and people you love can die and you will die, before you get to any of the entropic, messy chaos of our world with its blackened toilets and its long-ago trashed model trains, you get this glimpse, this fat, cartoon, overdressed egg man smashed to tiny bits of shell and goo.
一个人的形象被严重破坏，无法修复，事情可能会变得如此糟糕，最终的结局——在你了解世界上可能发生的所有坏事之前，事情是如何分崩离析的，你所爱的人会死，你也会死，在你进入我们这个世界的任何熵，混乱的混乱和发黑的厕所和很久以前废弃的模型火车之前，你看到了这一幕，这个胖乎乎的、卡通的、衣冠楚楚的蛋男人被砸成了一小块壳。和咕。
Today on our program, people who hit a moment when things shatter apart-- now they make sense of it and not go to pieces themselves.
今天在我们的节目中，那些经历了事情崩溃时刻的人们——现在他们明白了这一点，而不是自己崩溃。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Toy R Us.
第一幕，玩具反斗城。
Sometimes there's a really specific moment when things fall apart, and you know exactly what the moment was, but you were left with no idea how or why it happened or-- more important-- how to put the thing back together.
有时，事情会在某个非常特定的时刻分崩离析，你确切地知道那一刻是什么，但你不知道它是如何或为何发生的，或者更重要的是如何将事情重新组合在一起。
David Kestenbaum found a family that happened to, a father and son, years ago.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 (David Kestenbaum) 发现了多年前碰巧遇到的一个家庭，一对父子。
And the son has thought about it ever since.
从那时起，儿子就一直在思考这个问题。
The son in this story, his name is Peter Ocko.
这个故事中的儿子，他的名字叫彼得·奥科。
And I don't usually love hearing people's dreams, but this is how our interview started.
我通常不喜欢听人们的梦想，但这就是我们的采访的开始。
Yes.
是的。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Peter Ocko Because you know I've been sort of worrying about this-- I dreamt that I pulled into a store, ran inside to pick something up.
Peter Ocko 因为你知道我一直在担心这个——我梦见我把车开进一家商店，跑进去买东西。
And when I came outside, there was a guy standing there, and he had disassembled my entire car.
当我走到外面时，有一个人站在那里，他已经拆开了我的整辆车。
And the pieces were just all over the parking lot.
这些碎片遍布整个停车场。
And I was like what did you do to my car?
我就想你对我的车做了什么？
Why did you take it apart?
你为什么把它拆开？
And he goes, it was broken.
他走了，它坏了。
We needed to fix it.
我们需要修复它。
And then I woke up.
然后我醒了。
And I was like, OK.
我当时想，好吧。
I'm the car, and you're the guy.
我是车，你是人。
I'm happy to be the guy.
我很高兴成为这样的人。
Let's take the car apart.
我们把车拆开吧。
The whole story starts here.
整个故事从这里开始。
When Peter was a kid, his dad got a kind of dream job.
当彼得还是个孩子的时候，他的父亲得到了一份梦想的工作。
This was in the late '70s.
那是在 70 年代末。
When I was 11, he got a job at the Milton Bradley Company.
当我 11 岁的时候，他在 Milton Bradley 公司找到了一份工作。
Like the toy company.
比如玩具公司。
Peter Ocko Yeah, the toy company-- as a toy inventor.
Peter Ocko 是的，玩具公司——作为玩具发明家。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
Peter Ocko Yeah.
彼得·奥科 是的。
Well, that's what I thought too.
嗯，我也是这么想的。
I was in sixth grade.
我当时读六年级。
And this was like, super street cred to go in and say, my dad works at Milton Bradley.
这就像超级街头信誉走进去说，我爸爸在米尔顿·布拉德利工作。
Because they were a big deal back then.
因为它们在当时是一件大事。
But they were a big deal for 100 years.
但它们在 100 年来都是一件大事。
In fact, my dad moved into his cubicle.
事实上，我爸爸搬进了他的小隔间。
And he was next to the guy who claimed to have invented Chutes and Ladders.
他旁边的那个人声称发明了滑道和梯子。
So [LAUGHS] I don't think that's true, but the guy was old enough that it's possible.
所以[笑]我不认为这是真的，但那家伙已经足够老了，这是可能的。
The job was exciting for Peter's dad too.
这份工作对彼得的父亲来说也很令人兴奋。
His dad had always been searching for a way to be successful.
他的父亲一直在寻找成功的方法。
And success was the thing he imagined happening all at once.
他想象成功是一次性发生的事情。
He saw himself as an inventor.
他将自己视为发明家。
And if he just had the right idea, the world would notice.
如果他的想法正确，全世界都会注意到。
His ship would come in.
他的船会进来的。
He actually read a lot of books about ships and captains.
他实际上读了很多关于船舶和船长的书籍。
Anyway, his previous attempt at conquering the world had not gone so well.
无论如何，他之前征服世界的尝试并没有那么顺利。
He'd created these kind of cardboard models of famous landmarks that he tried to sell as kits.
他制作了这些著名地标的纸板模型，并试图将其作为套件出售。
My mom and I and him-- I was an only child.
我妈妈、我和他——我是独生子。
And the three of us would go out to the garage with hairdryers and kind of shrink wrap these cardboard model kits and put them in UPS boxes.
我们三个人会带着吹风机和收缩包装这些纸板模型套件到车库，然后将它们放入 UPS 盒子中。
And that was our life for a few years.
这就是我们几年的生活。
And then it just died.
然后它就死了。
It just died.
它刚刚死了。
And so he was struggling because he saw himself as an idea guy.
所以他很挣扎，因为他认为自己是一个有创意的人。
And so when he got the chance to go to Milton Bradley and be a game designer or a toy designer, I think he was super excited.
因此，当他有机会去米尔顿·布拉德利（Milton Bradley）并成为一名游戏设计师或玩具设计师时，我认为他非常兴奋。
The one bad thing about the job was that Milton Bradley was 90 miles from where they lived in Massachusetts.
这份工作的一个缺点是米尔顿·布拉德利距离他们在马萨诸塞州的居住地有 90 英里。
So his dad would just work there the whole week, only come home on the weekends.
所以他爸爸整个星期都在那里工作，只有周末才回家。
I was in sixth grade.
我当时读六年级。
I hated it.
我讨厌它。
I hated seeing him leave on a Sunday and then return the following week.
我讨厌看到他在周日离开，然后在下周回来。
And it was a long week, and I really missed him.
这是漫长的一周，我真的很想念他。
So Fridays, when he pulled into the driveway, I was ecstatic.
所以周五，当他把车开进车道时，我欣喜若狂。
I just was so happy to see him.
我只是很高兴见到他。
And he'd always come home with a box of stuff.
他总是带着一箱东西回家。
And the stuff in that box, it was kind of magical.
那个盒子里的东西，有点神奇。
This was 1977.
那是 1977 年。
And in that box were circuit boards and wires.
那个盒子里有电路板和电线。
Milton Bradley was making some of the first electronic games.
米尔顿·布拉德利正在制作一些最早的电子游戏。
Their big hit was Simon-- basically, an electronic version of Simon Says-- a kind of chunky Frisbee-shaped thing with four big buttons-- red, blue, green, yellow-- that would light up.
他们的大热门是《西蒙》——基本上是《西蒙说》的电子版——一种厚实的飞盘形状的东西，有四个大按钮——红、蓝、绿、黄——会发光。
And it made these kind of square wave tones that were really distinctive.
它使这种方波音调非常独特。
[TWO NOTES PLAY] David Kestenbaum It would play a sequence.
[两个音符播放] David Kestenbaum 它将播放一个序列。
You'd have to remember it and play it back.
你必须记住它并回放它。
[NOTE SEQUENCE PLAYS] [NOTE SEQUENCE PLAYS BACK]
[ 音符序列播放 ] [ 音符序列播放 ]
[NOTE SEQUENCE PLAYS] [NOTE SEQUENCE PLAYS BACK]
[ 音符序列播放 ] [ 音符序列播放 ]
OK.
好的。
Even back then, it was a little boring.
即使在当时，也有点无聊。
I'll be honest.
我会说实话。
I don't think there were any parents saying, like, I can't get my kid off the Simon.
我不认为有任何家长会说，我不能让我的孩子离开西蒙。
But it did feel like you were holding some object from the future, just to press the buttons and hear these kinds of sounds for the first time.
但确实感觉就像你拿着一些来自未来的物体，只是为了按下按钮并第一次听到这些声音。
Peter and his dad would sit around in this sort of attic room at this big table and just mess around with this stuff.
彼得和他爸爸会坐在阁楼房间里的这张大桌子旁，摆弄这些东西。
Opening the toys up for me and seeing the circuit board and understanding that this little circuit board was playing the game of Simon-- I would get in there with a screwdriver, pull it out, and then start playing around with it and changing the resistor here or there.
为我打开玩具，看到电路板，了解这个小电路板正在玩西蒙游戏——我会用螺丝刀进去，把它拔出来，然后开始摆弄它，并在这里或那里改变电阻。
You could make it speed up, and suddenly, it was generating electronic music at high speed and flashing lights.
你可以让它加速，突然间，它会高速发出电子音乐并闪烁灯光。
It just felt halfway between technology and magic, you know?
感觉介于技术和魔法之间，你知道吗？
And I think, for both of us, that was super exciting, you know.
我认为，对我们俩来说，这都非常令人兴奋，你知道。
They'd build little electronic kits together, which could get kind of tense.
他们会一起制作小型电子套件，这可能会变得有点紧张。
His dad liked to follow instructions-- Peter, not so much.
他的父亲喜欢听从指示——彼得则不太喜欢。
They'd share little discoveries with each other, like when Peter realized you could take the spring from a ballpoint pen, put it across the terminals of a 9-volt battery and the electricity flowing through it would make it glow, like the filament in a light bulb.
他们会互相分享一些小发现，比如彼得意识到你可以把圆珠笔的弹簧放在9伏电池的端子上，流过它的电流会让它发光，就像灯泡中的灯丝一样。
But more than anything, it was a way to spend time together.
但最重要的是，这是一种共度时光的方式。
Week after week, when his dad would come home, this was their routine.
一周又一周，当他父亲回家时，这就是他们的例行公事。
They'd go up to the third floor and just be together, sitting side by side at this big drafting table.
他们会上到三楼，并肩坐在这张大绘图桌前。
And then one day, as Peter thinks he remembers it, a kind of remarkable thing happened in that room, something that changed their lives.
然后有一天，正如彼得认为他记得的那样，那个房间里发生了一件非凡的事情，这件事改变了他们的生活。
It was just Peter there that day in the workshop.
那天车间里只有彼得一个人。
What I remember is he had gone back to work on a Monday morning and left behind a box of stuff.
我记得的是，他在周一早上回去工作，留下了一盒东西。
And in that box was a bunch of circuit boards for different things, including a Simon circuit board.
那个盒子里有一堆用于不同东西的电路板，包括西蒙电路板。
And I remember pulling it out and connecting it up to some batteries and just tinkering around with it, playing around with it.
我记得把它拿出来，连接到一些电池上，然后摆弄它，摆弄它。
And then I remember just looking at the lights and thinking, like, well, let me unsolder the lights and see if a motor will work there.
然后我记得我只是看着灯然后想，好吧，让我拆开灯，看看电机是否能在那里工作。
Because we had these little hobby motors laying around.
因为我们周围有这些小型爱好马达。
So I took off the four lights, and then I connected two motors to where two of the lights had been and tried it again.
所以我取下了四个灯，然后将两个电机连接到其中两个灯所在的位置并再次尝试。
And the motor spun.
电机旋转了。
When the lights would have lit up, the motor spun.
当灯亮起时，电机开始旋转。
And I was like, that's cool.
我当时想，这很酷。
In his memory, he then had another idea.
他的记忆中，随即有了另一个想法。
I wonder if you could use those motors to make the wheels turn on a little car.
我想知道你是否可以使用这些电机来让小汽车的轮子转动。
Then the Simon board would be controlling a car.
那么西蒙董事会将控制一辆汽车。
That would be neat.
那会很整洁。
There was a mode in the Simon game where you could tell it which lights you wanted.
Simon 游戏中有一个模式，你可以告诉它你想要哪些灯。
You could program the pattern yourself.
您可以自己对模式进行编程。
So I was like, well, you could program left motor, right motor.
所以我想，好吧，你可以对左电机、右电机进行编程。
And so it's like a programmable car.
所以它就像一辆可编程汽车。
A programmable car.
可编程汽车。
You could punch some buttons on it, tell it you wanted it to drive forward, turn right, drive some more, turn left.
你可以在它上面按一些按钮，告诉它你希望它向前行驶，右转，再行驶一些，左转。
Then it would go and do it.
然后它就会去做。
My dad came back on the following Friday, and I was excited to show him this little thing I'd built.
我父亲在接下来的星期五回来了，我很高兴向他展示我制作的这个小东西。
And he'd took a look at it.
他看了一眼。
It wasn't like the symphony started playing.
交响乐并没有开始演奏。
He's like, that's really cool.
他说，这真的很酷。
That's a good idea.
这是个好主意。
And I was like, cool.
我当时想，很酷。
You think I have a good idea.
你认为我有个好主意。
That's awesome.
太棒了。
His dad brought the idea into work.
他的父亲将这个想法带入了工作。
And Milton Bradley started to develop it as an actual toy with Peter's dad leading the team.
米尔顿·布拉德利 (Milton Bradley) 开始在彼得 (Peter) 父亲的带领下将其开发为一个真正的玩具。
His dad would update him when he got home.
当他回到家时，他的父亲会向他通报最新情况。
Like, our little thing is still moving forward.
就像，我们的小事仍在前进。
And as it got further along, he'd bring home these kind of handmade prototypes of it.
随着事情的进展，他会把这些手工制作的原型带回家。
The toy that was taking form was sort of a tank, dump truck kind of thing.
正在成型的玩具有点像坦克、自卸卡车之类的东西。
You could program it to carry something to a place and drop it off, all on its own.
你可以对其进行编程，使其将某物运送到某个地方并自行放下。
I remember one problem they had was they couldn't get the tank to go perfectly straight.
我记得他们遇到的一个问题是他们无法让坦克完全笔直行驶。
I remember my dad having this eureka moment one day and being like, oh.
我记得有一天我父亲突然灵光一现，然后说，哦。
And he put two magnets opposing each other on the end of the shaft that wasn't on the wheel so that the motors lined up with these magnets and the magnets grabbed each other without actually touching and kept the motors moving at exactly the same speed.
他将两个彼此相对的磁铁放在轴的一端（不在轮子上），以便电机与这些磁铁对齐，磁铁相互抓住而不会真正接触，并保持电机以完全相同的速度移动。
It was brilliant.
太棒了。
And he had those little victories.
他也取得了一些小小的胜利。
Imagine that over a nine-month period, where you just keep figuring it out, and then it works and then it's successful.
想象一下，在九个月的时间里，你不断地想办法，然后它就起作用了，然后就成功了。
This is Big Trak, the computer-activated truck from MB Electronics.
这是 Big Trak，MB Electronics 的电脑控制卡车。
Program in up to 16 commands and Big Trak will advance, turn, and fire three blasts.
通过编程最多 16 个命令，Big Trak 将前进、转向并发射三发爆炸。
[FUTURISTIC BLASTING] David Kestenbaum Milton Bradley sold lots of them-- quite a few in Glenside, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
[未来派爆破] David Kestenbaum Milton Bradley 卖了很多这样的东西——在我长大的宾夕法尼亚州格伦赛德有很多。
I remember them popping up in friends' houses after Christmas.
我记得圣诞节后他们突然出现在朋友家里。
And those ads were all over TV-- Big Trak rolling across the floor in the suburban living room and delivering an apple to dad.
这些广告遍布电视——Big Trak 在郊区客厅的地板上滚动，给爸爸送了一个苹果。
Big Trak for your child from MB Electronics.
MB Electronics 为您的孩子设计的 Big Trak。
Transporter sold separately.
运输车单独出售。
Sales?
销售量？
Best estimate I was able to find-- $40 million.
我能找到的最准确估计是 4000 万美元。
This project, it gave Peter's dad the thing he'd been wanting-- a real success.
这个项目给了彼得的父亲他一直想要的东西——真正的成功。
But people are complicated.
但人是复杂的。
He was on top of the world.
他站在世界之巅。
And I know he felt good.
我知道他感觉很好。
He came home and felt good.
他回到家感觉很好。
But that started to sour as he started to realize how much money the company was going to make from this toy.
但当他开始意识到公司将从这个玩具中赚多少钱时，这种情况开始变糟。
Because this was his ship that was supposed to come in.
因为这是他应该进来的船。
I think he saw it-- at first, I think he was perfectly happy to be seen as the guy in charge of a project within a corporate framework that's doing well.
我认为他看到了这一点——一开始，我认为他非常高兴被视为负责一个运作良好的公司框架内的项目。
And as the stakes got higher and the calls from his mom-- every Sunday, his mother would call.
随着赌注越来越大，他妈妈的电话越来越多——每个星期天，他的妈妈都会打电话来。
And she was never satisfied with where he was in life.
她对他的生活从来都不满意。
I think she would have been really happy if he had been a doctor or a lawyer.
我想如果他是一名医生或律师她会非常高兴。
And I think for him, he started to see that he could prove himself with this project.
我认为对他来说，他开始看到他可以通过这个项目证明自己。
And his self-worth, I think, became really tied up with the success of this project.
我认为，他的自我价值与这个项目的成功密切相关。
Peter's dad was frustrated.
彼得的父亲很沮丧。
He had brought this toy into existence.
他创造了这个玩具。
But in the end, it would be the company's success, not his.
但最终，这将是公司的成功，而不是他的成功。
The toy was a big hit.
这个玩具很受欢迎。
But it wasn't going to make his dad rich.
但这并不会让他的父亲变得富有。
Peter would overhear his parents talking in the next room, his dad increasingly unhappy.
彼得会无意中听到他的父母在隔壁房间说话，他的父亲越来越不高兴。
And, realizing there wasn't going to be any glory for him, he quit the dream job.
而且，意识到他不会有任何荣耀，他辞去了梦想的工作。
He thought about legal action.
他考虑采取法律行动。
But, of course, he couldn't sue Milton Bradley for taking his idea.
但是，当然，他不能因为米尔顿·布拉德利采纳了他的想法而起诉他。
He was an employee, so the company owned everything he created, which is pretty much how it works at any company.
他是一名员工，所以公司拥有他创造的一切，这几乎是任何公司的运作方式。
But at some point, Peter's dad talks to a lawyer.
但在某个时候，彼得的父亲与律师交谈。
And one of the things he says to the lawyer is, hey, the whole idea for Big Trak, I didn't come up with that.
他对律师说的一件事是，嘿，Big Trak 的整个想法，不是我想出来的。
It actually came from my son, from Peter, who was not a Milton Bradley employee.
它实际上来自我的儿子彼得，他不是米尔顿·布拉德利的员工。
Then the lawyer says to him, well, a kid can sue a corporation.
然后律师对他说，好吧，一个孩子可以起诉一家公司。
A kid can sue a corporation.
孩子可以起诉公司。
Peter Ocko A kid can sue a corporation.
Peter Ocko 孩子可以起诉公司。
And I know this because my mom had kept diaries her whole life.
我知道这一点是因为我妈妈一生都在写日记。
And I found the diary from the time this was all happening.
我找到了这一切发生时的日记。
And she had just noted in there, Steve says, lawyer said, a kid can sue a corporation.
史蒂夫说，她刚刚在那里指出，律师说，一个孩子可以起诉一家公司。
And that is how the lawsuit Peter Ocko, 13-year-old boy, versus the Milton Bradley company came to be.
这就是 13 岁男孩 Peter Ocko 诉 Milton Bradley 公司的诉讼的由来。
The basis for the lawsuit was that if Peter, the kid, had come up with the initial idea for this multi-million-dollar toy, then he was owed royalties.
诉讼的依据是，如果彼得这个孩子提出了这个价值数百万美元的玩具的最初想法，那么他就需要支付版税。
It could be a lot of money.
这可能是很多钱。
I asked Peter if the prospect of being a kid suing a giant corporation felt scary.
我问彼得，作为一个孩子起诉一家大公司的前景是否感到可怕。
He said not really, though maybe it should have.
他说并非如此，尽管也许应该如此。
He said it felt thrilling, kind of awesome.
他说这感觉很刺激，有点棒。
A big, fancy Boston law firm took their case.
波士顿一家大型律师事务所接手了他们的案子。
And that firm decides, we're going to take this case on contingency.
该公司决定，我们将在应急情况下受理此案。
We actually think this has a really good chance.
我们实际上认为这是一个非常好的机会。
And you guys won't have to pay anything but the court costs or the Xerox costs.
除了法庭费用或施乐费用之外，你们不需要支付任何费用。
So at this point, my dad is ecstatic.
所以此时，我爸爸欣喜若狂。
And we're both ecstatic.
我们都欣喜若狂。
I'm now playing a really important role in the both of us getting what's due for this idea.
我现在在我们双方获得这个想法应有的回报方面发挥着非常重要的作用。
Peter says, looking back, he was just coming into that age where you're really craving some kind of identity.
彼得说，回顾过去，他刚刚进入那个真正渴望某种身份的时代。
And now he had one, teenage whiz kid.
现在他有了一个十几岁的神童。
I'm just about to go into high school.
我马上就要上高中了。
And, suddenly, I have to take time off from school to go meet with lawyers and give a deposition.
突然间，我不得不请假去见律师并提供证词。
And now everybody at my school knows what's going on.
现在我学校的每个人都知道发生了什么事。
And it's really exciting.
这真的很令人兴奋。
It's like, I'm at the center of it.
就好像，我就在这一切的中心。
Two years went by of preparation, legal back and forth.
经过两年的准备、法律上的来回。
And, finally, the court date approached.
最后，开庭日期临近了。
Peter and his dad would take long walks around the block with the dog, both kind of excited by it all, going over the story he would tell in court.
彼得和他的父亲会带着狗在街区里散步很长一段时间，两人都对这一切感到兴奋，回顾他在法庭上讲述的故事。
And then there was one night, the night Peter's thought about and puzzled over for years.
然后有一个晚上，彼得多年来一直在思考和困惑的那个晚上。
We had a dinner conversation that changed my life.
我们的一次晚餐谈话改变了我的生活。
I'm not trying to be dramatic.
我并不是想表现得戏剧化。
I just-- it's like, I look back at the little pieces that had to move into place for this all to go south.
我只是——就像，我回顾了那些必须移动到位才能让这一切向南发展的小碎片。
And they're so small.
而且它们很小。
To understand what happened, you need to know two things.
要了解发生了什么，您需要了解两件事。
First was that before bringing the lawsuit, Peter's dad had signed a document making it so that, legally, he no longer had financial responsibility for Peter.
首先，在提起诉讼之前，彼得的父亲签署了一份文件，从法律上讲，他不再对彼得承担经济责任。
This was at the recommendation of the lawyers and made it so that, as far as the jury would be concerned, this would be about Peter, not his dad trying to get money through him-- even though it kind of was.
这是根据律师的建议，这样一来，就陪审团而言，这将是关于彼得，而不是他的父亲试图通过他赚钱——尽管事实确实如此。
It would also help protect any money they won.
这也将有助于保护他们赢得的任何钱。
That's the first thing you need to know.
这是你需要知道的第一件事。
Here's the other thing.
这是另一件事。
My mother and father didn't have a smooth marriage, and that's an understatement.
我的父母的婚姻并不顺利，这是轻描淡写的。
They fought a lot.
他们打了很多仗。
By the time I was born-- and, certainly, by the time I was a teenager-- they spent a lot of time and energy trying to upset each other.
当我出生时——当然，当我十几岁的时候——他们花了很多时间和精力试图让对方心烦意乱。
And if you put that into the soup, along with the fact that my mother now has taken financial control of me and I am the plaintiff in this lawsuit-- we all sit down to dinner soon after that agreement my mom signed.
如果你把它放进汤里，再加上我母亲现在已经控制了我的财务控制权，而我是这起诉讼的原告，那么在我母亲签署协议后不久，我们就坐下来吃晚饭。
And we're sitting around the table.
我们围坐在桌子旁。
It's the three of us-- it's a tiny family.
我们三个人——这是一个小家庭。
We're all sitting there, staring at each other.
我们都坐在那里，互相凝视。
And my mom says something to the effect of, well, if you win now, Peter, this money will be yours to control.
我妈妈说了一些话，大意是，好吧，如果你现在赢了，彼得，这笔钱将由你掌控。
I'm just your guardian, but it's not the family's.
我只是你的监护人，但不是家人的。
It's really yours.
这真的是你的。
And I think she knew exactly what she was saying.
我认为她很清楚自己在说什么。
She was absolutely using it to get under my dad's skin.
她绝对是用它来激怒我父亲的。
And my dad was not a drinker.
而且我父亲不喝酒。
But if he had a beer or two, he would get very grumpy.
但如果他喝了一两杯啤酒，他就会变得脾气暴躁。
And he'd had a couple of beers.
他还喝了几杯啤酒。
And he looks at her.
他看着她。
And then I-- sort of missing what's going on-- pick it up.
然后我——有点错过了正在发生的事情——把它捡了起来。
And I'm like, yeah, Dad, maybe I'll share the money with you if I win.
我想，是的，爸爸，如果我赢了，也许我会和你分享这笔钱。
But it really is-- I am the plaintiff.
但事实确实如此——我是原告。
And I don't know.
我不知道。
I guess if you could see a fuse blow in my father's head, you would have seen it.
我想如果你能看到我父亲头上的保险丝熔断，你就会看到它。
Because he kind of took a breath.
因为他有点喘不过气来。
He said, you know, the real truth, Peter, is that I invented Big Trak, not you.
他说，你知道，彼得，真正的事实是我发明了 Big Trak，而不是你。
I just told you you did it so that we could bring this lawsuit.
我只是告诉你你这样做是为了我们可以提起诉讼。
And I just remember the bottom falling out.
我只记得底部掉下来了。
And I don't know.
我不知道。
At that moment, to be-- I think I was 14-- and have my dad look at me and say that, it was amazing how easy it was for me to question everything and just feel like everything that had led up to that moment was a bunch of BS.
在那一刻，我想我当时 14 岁，让我的父亲看着我并这么说，令人惊讶的是，我很容易质疑一切，并且感觉导致那一刻的一切都是一堆废话。
There was something about him staring at me and saying that that I just doubted everything.
他盯着我看，说我只是怀疑一切。
Like that moment he remembered, hooking the Simon board up to the motors, when exactly did that happen?
就像他记得的那一刻一样，将西蒙板连接到电机上，这到底是什么时候发生的？
Was it really before his dad had started on the project at work?
真的是在他父亲开始工作之前吗？
Or was he doing it after his dad began working on Big Trak?
或者他是在他父亲开始制作 Big Trak 后才这么做的？
Like, maybe what he remembered was him trying to copy the thing his dad was doing.
就像，也许他记得的是他试图模仿他父亲正在做的事情。
Also, at this point, this was a family story they had told many times.
而且，在这一点上，这是他们已经讲过很多次的家庭故事。
Maybe it had grown in the telling, and the telling had created its own version in his head.
也许它在讲述中成长，而讲述在他的脑海中创造了自己的版本。
He had all these doubts.
这些疑问他都有。
I'm not a whiz kid.
我不是一个神童。
I've been used.
我已经被利用了。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It's really hard for me to talk about.
我真的很难谈论。
I guess what I felt at the moment was outrage because I believed that I had done it-- but also, at the same exact moment, tremendous doubt.
我想我当时的感受是愤怒，因为我相信我已经做到了——但同时，我也产生了巨大的怀疑。
I remember going later to my mom that night and being like, what's going on?
我记得那天晚上晚些时候我去找妈妈问，发生了什么事？
What do you remember?
你还记得什么？
And the thing that drove me crazy was, rather than instantly say, like, oh, that's a terrible thing your dad did.
让我发疯的是，而不是立即说，哦，你爸爸做了一件可怕的事情。
Like, he's just in a bad place-- or whatever I would have wished her to say-- instead, she got super vague.
就像，他只是处境不好——或者无论我希望她说什么——相反，她变得非常含糊。
And she's like, I don't know what happened.
她说，我不知道发生了什么。
The court date got closer and closer.
开庭日期越来越近了。
His dad had said this confusing and upsetting thing.
他的父亲说了这令人困惑和不安的话。
Peter didn't know what to make of it.
彼得不知道该怎么办。
And he was all alone with that.
而他独自承受这一切。
The hardest part about it was there was no third-party grown-up to weigh in and help me.
最困难的部分是没有第三方成年人来参与和帮助我。
I couldn't tell the lawyer, hey, listen, my dad said this.
我不能告诉律师，嘿，听着，我爸爸是这么说的。
What do you think?
你怎么认为？
I had to keep that absolutely to myself and move forward.
我必须把这件事绝对保密并继续前进。
And my dad did the same thing and my mom did the same thing.
我爸爸也做了同样的事情，我妈妈也做了同样的事情。
And we kind of moved on from that dinner conversation as if nothing had happened.
我们就这样结束了晚餐的谈话，好像什么也没发生过一样。
I would be in public with my dad.
我会和我爸爸一起出现在公共场合。
And we would be telling the story of the trial and talking about how excited we were.
我们会讲述审判的故事并谈论我们是多么兴奋。
And he would be smiling with genuine pride at the fact that his kid was the reason he was able to sue the company and we were going to get justice.
他会带着真正的骄傲微笑，因为他的孩子是他能够起诉公司的原因，我们将得到正义。
Like, he was genuinely proud of me in those moments.
就像，在那一刻他真的为我感到骄傲。
And then we'd be alone together, and I'd bring up the conversation.
然后我们单独在一起，我就会提起谈话。
He just couldn't talk about it.
他只是无法谈论这件事。
The trial finally happened.
审判终于发生了。
His dad, very invested in it, hated the opposing lawyer, saw him as truly evil.
他的父亲对此非常投入，讨厌对方律师，认为他是真正的邪恶。
Peter says the whole trial, he wasn't really wondering if they would win.
彼得说，在整个审判过程中，他并不是真的想知道他们是否会赢。
He was looking for clues to what his dad had said and what the truth was.
他正在寻找线索，了解他父亲所说的话以及真相是什么。
Eventually, Peter took the stand and swore on the Bible.
最终，彼得出庭并凭着圣经起誓。
He says, at that moment, it was the part of him that believed it swearing the oath.
他说，在那一刻，他内心的一部分相信了宣誓的意义。
He told the story he remembered at that moment in their little workroom at home.
他在家里的小工作室里讲述了他当时记得的故事。
His lawyer had him take apart a Simon with a screwdriver on the stand, pull out the circuit board, which seemed to impress the jury.
他的律师让他用螺丝刀拆开架子上的西蒙，拔出电路板，这似乎给陪审团留下了深刻的印象。
It's worth noting that the trial was around the time the movie WarGames came out.
值得注意的是，这次审判是在电影《战争游戏》上映前后进行的。
That's the one where a kid saves the world from nuclear catastrophe because he understands the computers controlling the nuclear weapons better than the adults do.
这是一个孩子将世界从核灾难中拯救出来的故事，因为他比成年人更了解控制核武器的计算机。
Not surprisingly, the press showed up to the trial.
毫不奇怪，媒体出席了庭审。
The headline writes itself.
标题是自己写的。
"Teenager Sues Milton Bradley."
“青少年起诉米尔顿·布拉德利。”
Let's see.
让我们来看看。
"Dedham, Mass-- a 16-year-old high school boy from Brookline claims that the toymaker Milton Bradley company owes him royalties for a robot tank he claims he invented when he was 12."
“马萨诸塞州戴德姆——一名来自布鲁克莱恩的 16 岁高中生声称，玩具制造商 Milton Bradley 公司欠他专利费，他声称自己在 12 岁时发明了一款机器人坦克。”
Oh my god, that's you.
天啊，原来是你啊
Peter Ocko That's me.
彼得·奥科 这就是我。
"Royalties denied to boy who claims toy his idea.
“声称自己的想法是玩具的男孩被拒绝支付版税。
A 16-year-old high school student who claimed he invented a toy robot tank at the age of 12 has lost his bid for $2 million in royalties from Milton Bradley company.
一名 16 岁高中生声称自己在 12 岁时发明了玩具机器人坦克，但在向 Milton Bradley 公司索取 200 万美元专利费的竞标中失败。
A Norfolk Superior Court jury decided there was no valid written contract between the toymaker and Peter Ocko, son of Stephen Ocko, who worked until 1978 as a senior game designer for Milton Bradley."
诺福克高等法院陪审团裁定，玩具制造商与斯蒂芬·奥科 (Stephen Ocko) 的儿子彼得·奥科 (Peter Ocko) 之间没有有效的书面合同，彼得·奥科 (Peter Ocko) 一直担任米尔顿·布拉德利 (Milton Bradley) 的高级游戏设计师，直到 1978 年为止。
Ugh, dark day, literally.
呃，黑暗的一天，字面意思。
It was raining.
正在下雨。
After the verdict came down, they went out the back of the courthouse to avoid the press, the three of them-- mom, dad, and him.
判决下来后，他们三个人——妈妈、爸爸和他——走出法院后面，躲避媒体。
There was a phone booth on the way out.
出去的路上有一个电话亭。
And my dad-- because he couldn't wait-- stepped into one and called his mom.
我爸爸——因为他等不及了——走进其中，给他妈妈打电话。
And then he came out, and we all just got in the car.
然后他出来了，我们就都上了车。
We drove home.
我们开车回家。
And we pulled into the driveway.
我们把车开进车道。
And we got out of the car.
我们下了车。
And my dad just kind of walked to the porch.
我爸爸就走到了门廊。
And he sat down on the steps.
他在台阶上坐下。
And he just burst into tears.
他只是泪流满面。
And I'd never really seen him cry before.
我以前从未真正见过他哭。
Wow.
哇。
Peter Ocko And it was hard.
Peter Ocko 这很难。
But I do remember feeling a weight lifted-- not just that the trial was over and we didn't have to worry about that, but that all the stuff that had swirled around the truth and the real truth and my dad and me-- that we could just move on.
但我确实记得感觉如释重负——不仅是审判结束了，我们不必担心这一点，而且所有围绕着真相、真正的真相以及我父亲和我的事情——我们可以继续前进。
I'm pretty sure this isn't the goal of the US legal system.
我很确定这不是美国法律体系的目标。
But losing this case, it made their lives better.
但输掉这个案子，让他们的生活变得更好。
Peter says losing saved them from being the worst versions of themselves, freed them from something bad.
彼得说，失败让他们免于成为最糟糕的自己，让他们摆脱了不好的事情。
And, like three programmable cars, everyone was on a new trajectory.
而且，就像三辆可编程汽车一样，每个人都走在新的轨道上。
His dad turned left.
他的父亲向左转。
His mom went right.
他妈妈说得对。
They got divorced.
他们离婚了。
Peter finished high school and moved away to college.
彼得高中毕业后搬去上大学。
His dad began a whole new life after that where he seemed much more at peace.
从那以后，他的父亲开始了全新的生活，他看起来平静多了。
He remarried, got a degree in education, worked with kids and LEGOs, inventing stuff.
他再婚，获得了教育学位，与孩子和乐高积木一起工作，发明了一些东西。
But that moment, it really broke something.
但那一刻，真的打破了一些东西。
Peter says there was always a hint of competitiveness between him and his dad.
彼得说他和父亲之间总是存在着竞争的迹象。
It would come up when they talked about where he might go to college.
当他们谈论他可能去哪里上大学时，就会提到这个问题。
Was his school better than his dad's?
他的学校比他父亲的学校好吗？
Or when he was little when they'd roughhouse-- they both kind of wanted to win.
或者当他还小的时候，当他们打架时——他们都想赢。
There was a tinge of aggression to it, he says.
他说，其中有一丝侵略性。
And that night at dinner, it was like it flipped some switch between them.
那天晚上吃晚饭的时候，他们之间的开关就好像被打开了。
Those moments they used to have hanging around in the workroom, happily tinkering together, those were gone.
他们曾经在工作室闲逛、快乐地一起修补的那些时光已经一去不复返了。
And what was left was a feeling that they were not exactly on the same team anymore.
剩下的就是他们不再属于同一个团队的感觉。
It was this kind of lingering sense that we had been thrust into something that made us adversaries and competitors, and we never came out of it.
正是这种挥之不去的感觉，让我们陷入了让我们成为对手和竞争者的境地，而我们却从未摆脱它。
And I came to hate that.
我开始讨厌这一点。
I hated that when I would achieve something in my life, like get a new job or whatever, I would hesitate telling my dad because it almost seemed to wound him.
我讨厌当我在生活中取得一些成就时，比如找到一份新工作或其他什么，我会犹豫是否告诉我爸爸，因为这似乎伤害了他。
What we had been through I think had changed both of us and kind of broke something that we never got back.
我认为我们所经历的一切改变了我们俩，也打破了一些我们再也无法挽回的东西。
We never got back an empathy.
我们再也没有得到同理心。
Peter is pretty sure he knows what the truth is about who came up with the idea for Big Trak.
Peter 非常确定他知道 Big Trak 创意的提出者的真相是什么。
Maybe it was clear at the time.
也许当时就很清楚了。
But it was hard to see as a kid-- hard to feel it with confidence, anyway.
但小时候很难看到——无论如何，很难自信地感受到它。
The truth-- the only thing that really makes sense is-- that Peter had come up with the idea for the toy.
事实是——唯一真正有意义的是——这个玩具的创意是彼得想出来的。
In the trial, some of his dad's coworkers testified that he had come into work and said as much.
在审判中，他父亲的一些同事作证说他已经上班并说了同样的话。
And it was a thing that, as a family, they had talked about before the lawsuit, that this little idea Peter had was being turned into an actual toy and how cool that was.
作为一个家庭，他们在诉讼前就曾讨论过这一点，彼得的这个小想法正在变成一个真正的玩具，这真是太酷了。
But that night at dinner, it was a hard fact for his father to have thrown in his face.
但那天晚上吃饭的时候，父亲却狠狠地摔了他一脸。
And so he said what he said.
他就这么说了。
His dad's way of moving past it was just to keep moving.
他父亲克服困难的方式就是继续前进。
Years past.
几年过去了。
Peter had kids.
彼得有孩子了。
His dad would come and visit-- really enjoyed being a grandfather.
他的父亲会来看望他——他真的很享受当祖父的感觉。
And I remember thinking, like, this is the dad I remember before that trial.
我记得我当时想，这就是我记忆中审判前的父亲。
Before all of that started, I remember a kind, sharing, open, curious guy.
在这一切开始之前，我记得一个善良、分享、开放、好奇的人。
And it was nice to kind of revisit that.
很高兴重新审视这一点。
But I would occasionally say to him, do you ever want to talk about this?
但我偶尔会问他，你想谈谈这个吗？
Because I think about it a lot.
因为我想了很多。
And the few times I would bring it up, he would just block.
有几次我提出这个问题，他都会阻止。
He would just say, I don't.
他只会说，我不会。
I can't.
我不能。
There's nothing to talk about.
没什么可谈的。
Why do you think he wouldn't just tell you which was the truth?
你认为他为什么不直接告诉你哪个是真相？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Part of me feels that he did something that he was ashamed of and just couldn't talk about that piece of it.
我的一部分感觉他做了一些让他感到羞耻的事情，只是无法谈论这件事。
The lawsuit did come up one last time, in a very strange way, almost like the universe was trying to put the pieces back together.
这起诉讼确实最后一次出现，以一种非常奇怪的方式，几乎就像宇宙试图将碎片重新拼凑在一起。
After my dad got cancer, he came out a few times to visit.
我父亲得了癌症后，他出来探望过几次。
And one of those times, we had a great visit.
其中一次，我们度过了一次愉快的访问。
And I took him to LAX.
我带他去了洛杉矶国际机场。
And it was back when you could go to the gate with people.
又到了可以和人一起去大门的时候了。
And I went to the gate with him.
我就和他一起到了门口。
And we were sitting at the gate.
我们坐在门口。
And I hear this voice across the room.
我听到房间另一边的声音。
And it's the attorney from Milton Bradley.
这是米尔顿·布拉德利的律师。
No way.
决不。
Peter Ocko And he's standing there with a younger woman-- I'm assuming his daughter.
Peter Ocko：他和一个年轻的女人站在那里——我猜是他的女儿。
And my dad just tenses up because he sees it, and I see it.
我爸爸就紧张起来，因为他看到了，我也看到了。
And I don't know why.
我不知道为什么。
But I just stood up, and I walked over to the guy.
但我只是站起来，走到那家伙身边。
And I shake his hand, and I introduce myself.
我握了握他的手，并做了自我介绍。
And he's like, oh, Peter, how are you?
他说，哦，彼得，你好吗？
And I say, oh, I'm fine.
我说，哦，我很好。
My dad's here.
我爸爸在这里。
And he's like, oh, wonderful.
他就像，哦，太棒了。
And he walks with me over to my father.
他和我一起走向我父亲。
And my father at this point is kind of a deer in the headlights.
而我的父亲此时就像是车灯下的一头鹿。
And I helped my dad stand up.
我扶着爸爸站了起来。
And they shake hands.
他们握手。
And I mentioned, I live in Los Angeles.
我提到过，我住在洛杉矶。
And he says, yeah, my daughter's out here now.
他说，是的，我女儿现在就在这里。
And he goes, oh, I always knew you'd be a success, Peter.
他说，哦，我一直都知道你会成功，彼得。
That's wonderful.
太棒了。
And my dad said, yep, I'm really proud of him.
我爸爸说，是的，我真的为他感到骄傲。
And then we just sort of said goodbye.
然后我们就说了再见。
And we sat down.
我们坐下来。
And the attorney got called to first class and went on board.
律师被叫到头等舱并上了船。
And then we sat there and didn't really say much.
然后我们就坐在那里，并没有说什么。
And then my dad got called on to coach, and off he went.
然后我爸爸被叫去当教练，然后他就走了。
And that was one of the last times I saw him.
那是我最后一次见到他。
The earliest known version of the Humpty Dumpty rhyme, it's not the same as the one you know.
Humpty Dumpty 韵律的最早已知版本，与您所知道的不一样。
It may have been a riddle about an egg, or it may have been a poem about a person.
它可能是一个关于鸡蛋的谜语，也可能是一首关于一个人的诗。
It went like this.
事情是这样的。
"Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
“矮胖子坐在墙上。
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
矮矮胖子摔得很厉害。
Four-score men and four-score more could not make Humpty Dumpty where he was before--" which I read differently from the one we know.
四分和四分以上的人无法让矮矮胖子回到他以前的位置——”我的解读与我们所知道的不同。
You can put a broken thing back together.
你可以把破损的东西重新组装起来。
It's just going to be different.
一切都会有所不同。
David Kestenbaum is our senior editor.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 (David Kestenbaum) 是我们的高级编辑。
Coming up, a man-- not an egg-- falls off a very high wall.
来了，一个人——不是鸡蛋——从很高的墙上掉了下来。
And he does not look around for either king's horses or king's men.
他不会到处寻找国王的马匹或国王的人马。
Imagine that.
想象一下。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, "All the King's Horses"-- about things broken so badly, they cannot be put back together.
今天的节目“国王的所有马匹”——关于破碎严重、无法恢复原样的东西。
We've arrived at act two of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act two, The 95.
第二幕，95。
This next story is about somebody examining something very broken, something documented in a list assembled by the Committee to Protect Journalists, of journalists who've been killed in the Israel-Hamas war.
下一个故事是关于某人正在检查一些非常破碎的东西，这些东西记录在保护记者委员会收集的在以色列-哈马斯战争中被杀的记者名单中。
It's the largest number of journalists who've died in any conflict since they started counting.
这是自开始统计以来在任何冲突中死亡的记者人数最多的一次。
The list gives each person's name, where they worked, circumstances of their death-- sometimes a few more details, but often, that's all.
该清单列出了每个人的姓名、工作地点、死亡情况——有时还会提供一些细节，但通常仅此而已。
Reporter Dana Ballout has been reading about the people on the list, watching their work, talking to their colleagues, trying to piece together who they were and what was lost when they died.
记者达纳·巴劳特（Dana Ballout）一直在阅读名单上的人的资料，观察他们的工作，与他们的同事交谈，试图拼凑出他们是谁以及他们死后失去了什么。
Here she is.
她在这里。
I first started noticing the journalists dying on Instagram.
我首先开始在 Instagram 上注意到记者的死亡。
I'm a journalist.
我是一名记者。
I'm Arab.
我是阿拉伯人。
And I've reported on war.
我也报道过战争。
A big part of my community is other Arab journalists who do the same thing.
我的社区中很大一部分人都是做同样事情的其他阿拉伯记者。
And when someone dies, news travels fast.
当有人去世时，消息就会传得很快。
Recently, I pulled up the list that the Committee to Protect Journalists has been keeping and looked at it for the first time.
最近，我调出保护记者委员会一直保存的名单，第一次查看。
There are 95 journalists and media workers on it as of today.
截至目前，共有 95 名记者和媒体工作者。
Almost everyone on it is Palestinian.
上面几乎每个人都是巴勒斯坦人。
Scrolling through, I started to get angry.
翻阅着，我开始生气。
These were the people carrying the burden of documenting this whole war.
这些人肩负着记录整个战争的重担。
Israel is not allowing foreign journalists into Gaza, except on rare occasions with military escorts.
以色列不允许外国记者进入加沙，除非在极少数情况下有军队护送。
These people's names are being buried in a giant list that keeps growing.
这些人的名字被埋在一个不断增长的庞大名单中。
What I want to do is lift some of them off the list for a moment and give you a glimpse of who they were and the work they made.
我想做的就是暂时将其中一些人从名单中剔除，让您了解他们是谁以及他们所做的工作。
I'll start with Sari Mansour.
我将从萨里·曼苏尔开始。
Sari was the director of Al Quds News Network.
萨里是圣城新闻网的主任。
And he posted a 22-second video on November 18 that was a report from the war, but it also gave me a picture into his marriage.
他在11月18日发布了一段22秒的视频，内容是战争报道，但也让我了解了他的婚姻。
Sari's wearing his press vest and looks exhausted.
萨里穿着记者背心，看起来很疲惫。
He's explaining that cell service and the internet keep getting cut off and it's often impossible to text or call anyone, including his wife.
他解释说，手机服务和互联网经常被切断，通常无法给任何人发短信或打电话，包括他的妻子。
So they've resorted to using handwritten letters to communicate while he's out reporting, sending them back and forth with neighbors or colleagues.
因此，当他外出报道时，他们采取手写信件的方式与邻居或同事来回沟通。
He ends the video with a picture of one of these letters from his wife.
他在视频的最后附上了一张来自他妻子的其中一封信的照片。
In it, she writes, "Me and the kids stayed up waiting for you until the morning, and you didn't come home.
她在信中写道：“我和孩子们熬夜等你直到早上，你都没有回家。
We were really sad.
我们真的很难过。
I kept telling the kids, look, he's coming.
我一直告诉孩子们，看，他来了。
But you didn't show up.
但你却没有出现。
May God forgive you.
愿上帝原谅你。
Come home tomorrow and eat with us.
明天回家和我们一起吃饭。
Do you want me to make you kebab or maybe kabseh?
你想让我给你做烤肉串还是卡布塞？
Bring your friends with you.
带上你的朋友一起来吧。
It's OK.
没关系。
And give Aziz the battery to charge.
并给阿齐兹充电。
What do you think about me sending you handwritten letters with messenger pigeons from now on?
你觉得我以后用信鸽给你寄手写信怎么样？
Ha, ha, ha.
哈哈哈。
I'm just kidding.
我只是开玩笑。
I want to curse at you, but we're living in a war.
我想诅咒你，但我们正生活在一场战争中。
Too bad.
太糟糕了。
OK, I love you.
好吧，我爱你。
Bye."
再见。”
A few hours after he shared that letter, Sari and his coworker, Hassouneh Salim, were at Sari's home when they were killed by an Israeli airstrike that hit his house.
在他分享这封信几个小时后，萨里和他的同事哈苏内·萨利姆 (Hassouneh Salim) 在萨里家中被以色列空袭炸死。
His wife and kids, who weren't there, survived.
他的妻子和孩子当时不在场，但幸存下来。
Gaza's tiny, and the journalist community is really close.
加沙虽小，但记者群体却非常亲密。
Reading the list, you can see all the connections between people, like with Ibrahim Lafi.
阅读该列表，您可以看到人与人之间的所有联系，例如易卜拉欣·拉菲。
Ibrahim was a photo journalist, one of the first journalists to die.
易卜拉欣是一名摄影记者，也是最早去世的记者之一。
He was killed while reporting on October 7.
10 月 7 日，他在报道时被杀。
He was just 21, still new to journalism.
当时他才 21 岁，对新闻业还是个新手。
On his Instagram, you can see that in his posts just a few years ago, he was still practicing his photography, taking pictures of coffee cups and flowers.
在他的Instagram上，你可以看到在他几年前的帖子中，他还在练习摄影，拍摄咖啡杯和鲜花。
Then he started doing beautiful portraits and action shots.
然后他开始拍摄美丽的肖像和动作镜头。
You can really feel him starting to become a journalist.
你真的可以感觉到他开始成为一名记者。
Clicking around on Instagram, I found a tribute post about Ibrahim from his coworker, Roshdi Serraj.
我在 Instagram 上浏览了一下，发现他的同事 Roshdi Serraj 发了一篇关于易卜拉欣的致敬帖子。
In this photo, Ibrahim's staring intently at the back of a camera, his face lit up by the light from the viewfinder.
在这张照片中，易卜拉欣全神贯注地盯着相机后部，他的脸被取景器的光线照亮。
He looks so young.
他看起来很年轻。
The caption reads, "My assistant is gone.
标题写道：“我的助手走了。
Ibrahim is gone."
易卜拉欣走了。”
Roshdi himself was a beloved journalist and filmmaker.
罗什迪本人是一位受人爱戴的记者和电影制片人。
And I know that because he's also on the list.
我知道这一点，因为他也在名单上。
He was killed just two weeks after Ibrahim.
他在易卜拉欣死后两周就被杀了。
I read the tribute post to him too.
我也读了向他致敬的帖子。
I saw this over and over again, journalists posting tributes, who were then killed themselves soon after.
我一遍又一遍地看到这种情况，记者们发表悼念，但不久之后他们就自杀了。
And a tribute goes up for them.
并向他们致敬。
And then the pattern continues.
然后这种模式继续下去。
Something else I saw over and over on the list, journalists-- later in the war-- who'd become aware that they could be making their last reports.
我在名单上一遍又一遍地看到了其他东西，记者们——在战争后期——他们意识到他们可能正在做最后的报道。
They'd say it at the beginning of their videos.
他们会在视频开头这么说。
And those were the hardest to watch, especially when it was true.
这些是最难观看的，尤其是当它是真的时。
One video like that was posted by Ayat Khadoura.
Ayat Khadoura 发布了一个类似的视频。
Ayat was a freelance journalist and video blogger.
阿亚特是一名自由记者和视频博主。
Her videos before the war covered a wide range, from what I can tell-- interviews about women in politics.
据我所知，她战前的视频涵盖了广泛的领域——有关政治女性的采访。
She even appeared in a commercial for ketchup-flavored chips.
她甚至出现在番茄酱味薯片的广告中。
She clearly liked being in front of the camera.
她显然很喜欢在镜头前。
Once the war started, Ayat pivoted to covering bombings and food shortages.
战争一开始，阿亚特就将注意力转向报道爆炸事件和粮食短缺。
On November 20, she posted a video report from her home.
11月20日，她发布了一段在家中的视频报道。
You can hear the airstrikes hitting very close to where she is.
你可以听到空袭的声音非常接近她所在的地方。
It's scary.
太可怕了。
She's saying, this is likely my last video.
她说，这可能是我的最后一个视频。
Today the occupation forces dropped phosphorus bombs on Beit Lehia area and frightening sound bombs.
今天，占领军向拜特莱希亚地区投掷了磷弹和可怕的声波炸弹。
They dropped letters from the sky ordering everyone to evacuate.
他们从天上投下信件，命令所有人撤离。
Everyone ran into the streets in the craziest way.
每个人都以最疯狂的方式跑到街上。
No one knows where to go.
没有人知道该去哪里。
My family and I are split up.
我和我的家人已经分开了。
Myself and a few others are still at home, but everyone else has evacuated.
我和其他几个人还在家里，但其他人都已经撤离了。
They don't know where they're going.
他们不知道要去哪里。
The situation is so scary.
情况太可怕了。
What's happening is so tough, and may God mercy on us.
发生的事情是如此艰难，愿上帝怜悯我们。
And then she begins to cry and the video stops.
然后她开始哭泣，视频停止了。
She was killed later that day.
当天晚些时候，她被杀了。
Targeting journalists, in case you didn't know, is a war crime.
如果您不知道的话，以记者为目标是一种战争罪。
So far, the Committee to Protect Journalists has found that three of the journalists on the list were explicitly targeted by the IDF, the Israeli military.
到目前为止，保护记者委员会发现名单上的三名记者是以色列军队以色列国防军的明确攻击目标。
Investigations by the Washington Post and Reuters, Human Rights Watch, and the United Nations have also raised serious questions in these three cases.
《华盛顿邮报》和路透社、人权观察组织和联合国的调查也对这三起案件提出了严重问题。
And the Committee to Protect Journalists is investigating 10 other killings.
保护记者委员会正在调查另外 10 起谋杀案。
When we reached out to the IDF for comment, they said, quote, "The IDF has never and will never deliberately target journalists." That's the answer they always give in these situations.
当我们联系以色列国防军征求意见时，他们说：“以色列国防军从来没有也永远不会故意针对记者。”这就是他们在这种情况下总是给出的答案。
Meanwhile, dozens of seasoned reporters have fled Gaza-- journalists who worked for Al Jazeera, the BBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Reuters, Agence France Presse.
与此同时，数十名经验丰富的记者逃离了加沙，他们是半岛电视台、英国广播公司、纽约时报、华盛顿邮报、路透社、法新社的记者。
So many media offices were demolished in Israeli airstrikes that the Committee to Protect Journalists stopped counting.
以色列的空袭摧毁了如此多的媒体办公室，以至于保护记者委员会停止了统计。
It's not just individual lives that have been destroyed.
被摧毁的不仅仅是个人的生活。
It's an entire infrastructure.
这是一个完整的基础设施。
The name on the list that was hardest for me to look at was Issam Abdallah because I'd crossed paths with him once.
名单上最难看的名字是伊萨姆·阿卜杜拉（Issam Abdallah），因为我曾与他有过交集。
Issam was a Lebanese journalist, a video journalist for Reuters for many, many years.
伊萨姆是一名黎巴嫩记者，多年来一直担任路透社的视频记者。
He had just won an award for coverage of Ukraine.
他刚刚因报道乌克兰而获奖。
I'm Lebanese and still report there sometimes.
我是黎巴嫩人，有时仍然在那里报道。
And I'd worked with Issam a couple of summers ago.
几年前的夏天我曾和伊萨姆一起工作过。
He helped me film a sort of random story in Beirut.
他帮助我在贝鲁特拍摄了一个随机故事。
I was interviewing this entrepreneur who had started a sperm-freezing company after an accident where he spilled a tray of hot coffee on his private area, burning himself.
我正在采访一位企业家，他在一次事故中将一盘热咖啡洒在私人区域，烧伤了自己，随后他创办了一家精子冷冻公司。
I know-- ridiculous.
我知道——可笑。
It was a really silly shoot.
这真是一次愚蠢的拍摄。
Right after we said cut and started to wrap, Issam started this whole bit about being in his late 30s, reconsidering his own sperm quality, and everything he now realized he was doing to hurt it.
就在我们说好切割并开始包裹后，Issam 开始了自己三十多岁的整个过程，重新考虑自己的精子质量，以及他现在意识到自己所做的一切会伤害精子的事情。
And no one could stop laughing.
没有人能停止笑。
It was a really good day.
这真是美好的一天。
That felt good to remember-- and to remember him that way.
记住这种感觉真好——并且以这种方式记住他。
Issam was killed by the IDF on October 13.
10 月 13 日，伊萨姆被以色列国防军杀害。
His death was one of the three that the Committee to Protect Journalists has identified as a targeted killing.
他的死亡是保护记者委员会确定的三起定点清除事件之一。
He was fired upon by an Israeli tank while standing in an empty field on the Lebanon-Israel border with a small group of other journalists.
当他与一小群其他记者站在黎巴嫩-以色列边境的空地上时，遭到以色列坦克的射击。
Everyone was wearing press vests with cameras out.
每个人都穿着新闻背心，拿着相机。
They were covering the Hezbollah part of this war.
他们报道了这场战争中真主党的部分。
A few other journalists were injured in the attack, which was captured on video.
其他几名记者在袭击中受伤，这一事件被视频记录下来。
The IDF says they were responding to firing from Hezbollah, not targeting the journalists.
以色列国防军表示，他们是在回应真主党的射击，而不是针对记者。
But multiple investigations, including by Reuters, the United Nations, Amnesty International, and the AFP found no evidence of any firing from the location of the journalist before the IDF shot at them.
但包括路透社、联合国、国际特赦组织和法新社在内的多项调查发现，在以色列国防军向记者开枪之前，没有证据表明记者所在的地方有任何开枪事件。
The journalists in the group and video footage confirmed that there was no military activity near them.
群里的记者和视频证实他们附近没有军事活动。
I'd only met Issam once, barely knew him, but it affected me so much when he died.
我只见过伊萨姆一次，几乎不认识他，但他去世后对我影响很大。
I know that he understood the risks of his job.
我知道他了解他的工作的风险。
But somehow, it still felt so random and unfair that he would be struck down like that, following the rules, wearing his press vest and helmet in a pack of reporters on a sunny day in an open field.
但不知何故，他还是会觉得如此随意和不公平，在阳光明媚的日子里，在空旷的场地上，穿着新闻背心和头盔，穿着记者背心和头盔，和一群记者一起，按照规则被击倒。
I find myself thinking about him all the time.
我发现自己无时无刻不在想着他。
His last Instagram post was commemorating another journalist, this iconic reporter, Shireen Abu Akleh, who'd been killed by the IDF.
他在 Instagram 上发布的最后一篇帖子是为了纪念另一位被以色列国防军杀害的著名记者 Shireen Abu Akleh。
When I first saw that post in October, I thought, how ironic.
当我十月份第一次看到那个帖子时，我想，多么讽刺啊。
Because a week later, Issam also was killed by the IDF.
因为一周后，伊萨姆也被以色列国防军杀害。
But then after spending time reading the list, I realized how common this had become.
但在花时间阅读这份清单后，我意识到这种情况已经变得多么普遍。
I still haven't finished going through the list and looking up the people on it.
我还没有浏览完名单并查找上面的人。
I keep finding things that stick with me, like the funny way this one radio host would cut off a caller who was rambling on for too long, a tweet from reporter Ola Atallah that quoted Sylvia Plath.
我不断地发现一些让我印象深刻的事情，比如一位电台主持人会打断一位喋喋不休的来电者的有趣方式，这是记者奥拉·阿塔拉 (Ola Atallah) 引用西尔维娅·普拉斯 (Sylvia Plath) 的话的推文。
It read, "What ceremony of words can patch the havoc?"
上面写着：“什么样的言语仪式可以弥补这场浩劫？”
I'm going to keep going down the list even though this radio story is over now, just for myself, my own way of bearing witness, which is, in the end, all that these journalists were trying to do.
尽管这个广播故事现在已经结束，我仍将继续沿着清单往下看，只是为了我自己，我自己的见证方式，这就是这些记者最终想要做的一切。
Reporter Dana Ballou is journalist and documentary filmmaker.
记者 Dana Ballou 是记者和纪录片制片人。
Her story was produced by Diane Wu.
她的故事由吴黛安制作。
This song is by Lina Makoul, a Palestinian musician it's called "Recording 801."
这首歌是巴勒斯坦音乐家莉娜·马库尔（Lina Makoul）创作的，名为“Recording 801”。
Act 3, A Great Fall.
第三幕，大陷落。
OK, so there are lots of ways to break something.
好的，有很多方法可以破坏某些东西。
And skateboarding is a pretty good one.
而且滑板运动也是一项非常不错的运动。
David Kestenbaum-- who, of course, you heard earlier in the show-- has been obsessed with this one short video of a skateboarder that he keeps watching over and over.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆（David Kestenbaum）——当然，你在节目早些时候听说过他——一直痴迷于这个滑板运动员的短片，他一遍又一遍地观看。
The skateboarder stands at the top of a ramp.
滑板者站在坡道的顶部。
The wall of the ramp goes straight down at first, then curves into a flat section, then up again on the other side.
坡道的墙壁首先笔直向下，然后弯曲成平坦的部分，然后在另一侧再次向上。
It's like an enormous U.
就像一个巨大的U。
You could easily break something from that height.
从那么高的地方你可以很容易地打破东西。
He leans forward.
他身体前倾。
It's 13 and 1/2 feet down.
深度为 13又 1/2 英尺。
One other number you should know-- 52.
您应该知道的另一个数字——52。
That's how old he is in this video-- 52 years old.
这就是视频中他的年龄——52岁。
It's Tony Hawk trying to land a trick that he used to do all the time when he was younger.
托尼·霍克试图施展他年轻时常用的伎俩。
He goes down the ramp, up the other side, spins in the air and--
他走下坡道，爬上另一边，在空中旋转，然后——
[CRASH] --falls onto his knees.
[崩溃]——跪倒在地。
He's wearing pads, slides to the bottom, then climbs the stairs to try again.
他穿着护垫，滑到底部，然后爬上楼梯再次尝试。
But same thing.
但同样的事情。
I was never a skateboard kid-- they were too cool for me.
我从来都不是一个玩滑板的孩子——它们对我来说太酷了。
I know Tony Hawk is the most famous skateboarder in the world, but I've only gotten into him now that he's over 50.
我知道 Tony Hawk 是世界上最著名的滑板手，但我是在他 50 多岁的时候才开始了解他的。
On social media, he writes these funny little scenes from his life, like this one.
在社交媒体上，他写下了自己生活中的这些有趣的小场景，比如这个。
Kid at skate park.
滑板公园的孩子。
Are you Tony Hawk?
你是托尼·霍克吗？
Me-- I am.
我——我是。
Him-- no, you're not.
他——不，你不是。
OK, I'm not.
好吧，我不是。
But are you, for real?
但你是真的吗？
I am, for real.
我是，真的。
I thought you'd look younger.
我以为你会看起来更年轻。
Me too.
我也是。
So the trick he was trying to do in this video, it's called an Ollie 540.
所以他在这段视频中尝试做的技巧被称为 Ollie 540。
Basically, you go down the ramp, up the other side of the U, then down again-- that a couple times until you get enough height.
基本上，你走下坡道，爬上 U 形的另一侧，然后再下降——这样几次，直到达到足够的高度。
Then, through some kind of magic, at, like, 15 feet in the air, you spin one and a half times with the board turning underneath you but without grabbing the board.
然后，通过某种魔法，在大约 15 英尺的空中，你旋转一圈半，板子在你下面转动，但没有抓住板子。
You don't touch it with your hands.
你不用用手去碰它。
Like, you and the board are just rotating it exactly the same speed.
就像，你和董事会只是以完全相同的速度旋转它。
And then somehow, you try to land on your skateboard without breaking any bones.
然后不知何故，你试图在不折断任何骨头的情况下降落在滑板上。
Hip, I think he says there.
嘻嘻，我想他就是这么说的。
He's written that the trick has gotten scarier as he's gotten older, just committing to the landing at the end.
他写道，随着年龄的增长，这个戏法变得更加可怕，只是承诺在最后着陆。
He wrote, "My willingness to slam unexpectedly into the flat bottom has waned greatly over the last decade."
他写道：“在过去的十年里，我意外地陷入平底的意愿已经大大减弱。”
One of the things I like about this video is it's basically a collection of failures over and over.
我喜欢这个视频的原因之一是它基本上是一遍又一遍的失败的集合。
It's edited so you can't see how many tries, but it's a lot.
它经过编辑，因此您看不到尝试了多少次，但确实很多。
He looks tired and just so human.
他看起来很疲惫，但又很人性化。
After one fall, he sits there on the ground, looks up, and swears.
摔了一跤后，他坐在地上，抬起头，咒骂着。
Fuck.
他妈的。
David Kestenbaum The next attempt literally goes sideways.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆（David Kestenbaum）的下一次尝试实际上是横向的。
He slides out the end of the ramp and takes out a camera there that's filming.
他滑出坡道的尽头，拿出正在拍摄的摄像机。
Sorry.
对不起。
I broke everything.
我打破了一切。
David Kestenbaum Shy grin, he checks to see if his finger is OK.
David Kestenbaum 害羞地笑了笑，检查手指是否还好。
Cut to Tony Hawk at the top of the ramp again.
再次切换到坡道顶部的托尼·霍克。
Deep breath, skateboard over the void again.
深吸一口气，再次在虚空上滑板。
Plunges down, up the other side, down, up into the air, around--
向下猛冲，从另一边向上，向下，向上到空中，周围——
Woo-hoo!
呜呼！
David Kestenbaum --and he lands it.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆——他成功了。
Lets the board go flying, covers his face with his hands, drops to his knees and says this.
让木板飞起来，用手捂住脸，跪下来说道。
I'm kind of sad.
我有点难过。
David Kestenbaum "I'm kind of sad," he says.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆“我有点难过，”他说。
One of the film crew fist bumps him.
一名摄制组用拳头撞了他。
Did it!
做到了！
So sick, dude.
病得很厉害，伙计。
Tony Hawk [INAUDIBLE].
托尼·霍克 [听不清]。
Yeah.
是的。
I never had much finality to anything, but that definitely was the last one I'll ever do.
我对任何事情都没有太多的最终决定，但这绝对是我要做的最后一件事。
Fuck it.
他妈的。
Happy I made it.
很高兴我做到了。
It was literally perfect.
它确实是完美的。
Tony Hawk Thanks, you guys, for hanging in there with me.
托尼·霍克 谢谢你们和我一起坚持下去。
The title of the video when it got posted was "Tony Hawk lands his last ever Ollie 540, aged 52."
视频发布时的标题是“托尼·霍克 (Tony Hawk) 在 52 岁的时候驾驶了他的最后一辆 Ollie 540”。
I tear up every time I watch this-- in part, because we're basically the same age.
每次看到这个我都会流泪——部分原因是我们基本上年纪相仿。
He's one year older.
他又大一岁了。
Something happens when you're around 50.
当你50岁左右的时候，就会发生一些事情。
You can't do things you used to do because stuff hurts.
你不能做你以前做的事情，因为事情会伤害你。
I used to love to run, really love it.
我以前很喜欢跑步，真的很喜欢。
I can't anymore-- four knee surgeries.
我不能再这样了——四次膝盖手术。
And walking around, I notice things I didn't used to.
四处走动，我注意到一些我不习惯的事情。
So many people with little hitches in their steps, working around some bit of pain in a knee, a hip.
很多人的脚步都有些困难，他们在努力解决膝盖、臀部的一些疼痛。
I reached out to Tony Hawk back when the video came out.
视频发布后，我联系了托尼·霍克。
I wanted to talk about it.
我想谈谈它。
Apparently, he did not-- declined my interview request.
显然，他并没有拒绝我的采访请求。
So this is going to be a short story.
所以这将是一个短篇故事。
I'll just say this.
我就说这个吧。
A friend told me recently about a doctor who'd gone to work in a small town, ended up treating a lot of older people.
一位朋友最近告诉我，一位医生到一个小镇工作，最终治疗了很多老年人。
And he noticed that the way it would go is that, first, one thing would go wrong.
他注意到，事情的发展方向是，首先，有一件事会出错。
You'd fix it.
你会解决它。
Then a different thing would go wrong.
那么另一件事情就会出错。
You'd fix that.
你会解决这个问题。
Then two things would go wrong at once and then another.
那么两件事就会同时出错，然后又会出错。
Eventually, enough things would break that that's the end.
最终，足够多的事情会打破，这就是结束。
He also said something else.
他还说了一些别的话。
That's the good version, he said.
他说，这是一个好的版本。
That's the one you want, the one where you get to keep going long enough that all the parts break.
这就是你想要的，你可以持续足够长的时间，以至于所有零件都会损坏。
David Kestenbaum is still making radio stories at 54.
54 岁的大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 (David Kestenbaum) 仍在制作广播故事。
Tony Hawk-- a year after that video-- broke his femur.
在那段视频一年后，托尼·霍克的股骨骨折了。
But after surgeries, he's still skateboarding.
但手术后，他仍然在玩滑板。
Credits Ira Glass Our program was produced today by Phia Bennin and Lilly Sullivan and edited by Laura Starecheski.
图片来源 Ira Glass 今天我们的节目由 Phia Bennin 和 Lilly Sullivan 制作，并由 Laura Starecheski 编辑。
The people who put together our show today include Bim Adewunmi, Chris Benderev, Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Michael Comite, Aviva DeKornfeld, Bethel Habte, Cassie Howley, Valerie Kipnis, Rudy Lee, Seth Lind, Tobin Low, Katherine Rae Mondo, Nadia Reiman, Safiyah Riddle, Ryan Rumery, Alissa Shipp, Christopher Swetala, Marisa Robertson-Textor, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
今天的节目制作人包括 Bim Adewunmi、Chris Benderev、Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Michael Comite、Aviva DeKornfeld、Bethel Habte、Cassie Howley、Valerie Kipnis、Rudy Lee、Seth Lind、Tobin Low、Katherine Rae Mondo、Nadia Reiman、Safiyah Riddle、Ryan Rumery、Alissa Shipp、Christopher Swetala、Marisa Robertson-Textor、马特·蒂尔尼和南希·厄普代克。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman, and our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的总编辑是 Sarah Abdurrahman，我们的高级编辑是 David Kestenbaum。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Sam Geller wrote the song that you're hearing right now for this episode.
萨姆·盖勒为这一集创作了您现在听到的歌曲。
Special thanks today to Sherif Mansour, Rushdi Aboualouf, Youmna El Sayed, Anan Quzmar, Raja Abdulrahim, Ahmed Maqadema, Carrie Law, Clayton Law, Howard Politzer, Randi Murray, Karen Glass, James Bennett II, Matthew Snyder, Michelle Cann, and everybody who wrote to us about Humpty Dumpty trauma, including Anne Mostue, Heidi Shin, Brandon Shiflet, Sky Wenhold, Kelly Gartside, Julie Davidson, and Isabella Gower.
今天特别感谢 Sherif Mansour、Rushdi Aboualouf、Youmna El Sayed、Anan Quzmar、Raja Abdulrahim、Ahmed Maqadema、Carrie Law、Clayton Law、Howard Politzer、Randi Murray、Karen Glass、James Bennett II、Matthew Snyder、Michelle Cann 以及所有写信给我们有关 Humpty Dumpty 创伤的人，包括 Anne Mostue、Heidi Shin、Brandon希夫莱特、斯凯·温霍尔德、凯莉·加特赛德、朱莉·戴维森和伊莎贝拉·高尔。
Our website thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream over 800 episodes of our show for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费观看我们节目的 800 多集。
This American Life is delivered to local public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向当地公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's cofounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he has started saying my name so much-- like, at the end of every sentence he says.
你知道，他开始经常喊我的名字——就像在他说的每句话的末尾一样。
I told him, Torey people do not usually talk to each other this way.
我告诉他，托里人通常不会这样说话。
He said--
他说——
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。