825: Yousef - This American Life
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Act One: Act One Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
第一幕： 第一幕 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Hello.
你好。
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, this is Yousef Hammash?
Chana Joffe-Walt 嗨，我是 Yousef Hammash？
Yes, it is, loud and clear.
是的，是的，响亮而清晰。
Chana Joffe-Walt Good.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 好。
Is this still a OK time for you to talk?
现在还适合说话吗？
Yeah, but it's a bit crazy outside, a lot of crowdness.
是的，但是外面有点疯狂，人很多。
There is a lot of traffic, especially from the children.
人流量很大，尤其是孩子们。
Let me find a quiet place.
让我找个安静的地方。
For months, one of our producers, Chana Joffe-Walt, has been talking to Yousef Hammash.
几个月来，我们的一位制作人查娜·乔菲-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 一直在与优素福·哈马什 (Yousef Hammash) 交谈。
He's in Gaza.
他在加沙。
Back in December, we put out an extra podcast episode, a bonus mini episode with some of those conversations.
早在 12 月，我们就推出了一集额外的播客，这是一集包含其中一些对话的奖励迷你集。
But so much has happened since then.
但从那以后发生了很多事情。
We wanted to come back to Yousef and do a full episode.
我们想回到尤瑟夫并制作一整集。
And that is what we have for you today.
这就是我们今天为您准备的内容。
It is a series of unusually frank conversations about what he and his family were experiencing, sometimes as they were experiencing it, and about the decisions they made with the choices they had.
这是一系列异常坦诚的对话，内容涉及他和他的家人正在经历的事情，有时是他们正在经历的事情，以及他们根据自己的选择做出的决定。
So what we're going to do is we're going to play you a lot of stuff from December and then what has happened since then.
所以我们要做的就是给你们播放很多 12 月份的内容以及之后发生的事情。
Yousef is in his early 30s, got two kids and a big extended family.
尤瑟夫 30 岁出头，有两个孩子和一个大家庭。
He works for a humanitarian organization operating in Gaza, the Norwegian Refugee Council, the NRC.
他为在加沙运作的人道主义组织挪威难民理事会 (NRC) 工作。
And Chana started talking to Yousef in early December, really knowing very little about him or his situation at the beginning.
查纳在 12 月初开始与尤瑟夫交谈，一开始对他或他的情况知之甚少。
And as you'll hear, more and more unfolds and gets revealed.
正如您将听到的，越来越多的事情正在展开并被揭示。
At that point, he had just relocated with his wife and kids to Rafah, where the NRC office is.
那时，他刚刚与妻子和孩子搬到 NRC 办公室所在的拉法。
Rafah is in the south of Gaza.
拉法位于加沙南部。
It's at the border with Egypt.
它位于埃及边境。
His family was living in the NRC office there.
他的家人住在那里的 NRC 办公室。
And so Yousef was in the unusual situation in Gaza where he often did have internet access with solar panels providing power.
因此，尤瑟夫在加沙的处境很不寻常，他经常通过太阳能电池板提供电力来访问互联网。
Meanwhile, the rest of his extended family, including four sisters, was about eight miles away in a town called Khan Yunis.
与此同时，他的其他大家庭成员，包括四个姐妹，都在大约八英里外一个叫汗尤尼斯的小镇。
Here's Chana.
这是查娜。
So, talk to me about what did you do today.
那么，跟我谈谈你今天做了什么。
Today, I had to find a place for my extended family, which, humdullah, I found it today.
今天，我必须为我的大家庭找到一个地方，天哪，我今天找到了。
I found a place, and I built a tent-- two tents, actually, because I couldn't find a house to rent or anything.
我找到了一个地方，搭建了一个帐篷——实际上是两个帐篷，因为我找不到房子出租或其他任何东西。
So, tomorrow, I will move the rest of my family here to Rafah from Khan Yunis to these two tents.
所以，明天，我将把我的家人从汗尤尼斯搬到拉法的这两顶帐篷。
And today, it takes me a while building these tents.
今天，我花了一些时间来搭建这些帐篷。
Is there anybody in the family that is hesitant?
家里有人犹豫吗？
Do you have to--
你必须——
Yes, we have had-- I had-- yes, yes, yeah, yeah, they are part of the family.
是的，我们有——我有——是的，是的，是的，是的，他们是家庭的一部分。
Yeah, even a few minutes ago, I was having this debate with my sister that was like, OK, I'm pregnant.
是的，就在几分钟前，我还在和我姐姐争论，好吧，我怀孕了。
Because she's pregnant, and she don't want to do the delivery in a tent.
因为她怀孕了，她不想在帐篷里分娩。
And she said like, OK, they are still far, like 1 kilometer away, the tanks.
她说，好吧，坦克还很远，大约一公里远。
She said that we cannot suffer more.
她说我们不能再受更多的痛苦了。
At least we have here bathroom.
至少我们这里有浴室。
The main debate was a bathroom, about having your privacy to use a bathroom.
主要争论是关于浴室，关于使用浴室的隐私。
Because when you are fleeing in a tent, there is no bathrooms or that privacy.
因为当你在帐篷里逃亡时，没有浴室，也没有隐私。
Well, I'm trying.
嗯，我正在努力。
Tomorrow, I'll find a way to build a bathroom for them.
明天我就想办法给他们建个浴室。
Yousef has been moving and convincing his sisters to move since the war began.
自战争开始以来，尤瑟夫一直在搬家并说服他的姐妹们搬家。
They all started the war in Jabalia, in the northern part of Gaza.
他们都在加沙北部的贾巴利亚发动了战争。
After October 7, when Hamas attacked southern Israel and killed around 1,200 people, took about 240 people hostage, Yousef immediately moved his family from Jabalia to his parents' house in a nearby city, Beit Lahiya.
10 月 7 日，哈马斯袭击以色列南部并杀死约 1,200 人，劫持约 240 人为人质后，优素福立即将家人从贾巴利亚搬到附近城市拜特拉希亚的父母家。
They moved the very next day, October 8.
第二天，即 10 月 8 日，他们就搬家了。
On October 9, Israeli airstrikes hit Jabalia, and then again on October 12, 19, 22, 31, November 1, 2, 4, and on.
10月9日，以色列空袭贾巴利亚，随后又于10月12日、19日、22日、31日、11月1日、2日、4日等再次空袭。
Yousef and his family and his sisters' families then fled south to Khan Yunis.
优素福和他的家人以及他姐妹的家人随后逃往南方汗尤尼斯。
They stayed with relatives until Yousef read a leaflet that fell from the sky.
他们和亲戚住在一起，直到尤瑟夫读到一张从天上掉下来的传单。
It said, you must evacuate immediately and go to shelters in the city of Rafah.
上面说，你必须立即撤离并前往拉法市的避难所。
The city of Khan Yunis is a dangerous combat zone.
汗尤尼斯市是一个危险的战区。
Forewarned is forearmed.
凡事有预则守。
It was signed the Israeli Defense Forces.
它是由以色列国防军签署的。
That's when he fled to Rafah with his wife and his kids.
就在那时，他与妻子和孩子逃往拉法。
By that point in the war, over 15,000 people in Gaza had been killed.
截至战争期间，加沙已有 15,000 多人丧生。
The place Yousef works, the NRC, had rented an office in Rafah, in the area the Israelis were now saying was a safe zone.
优素福工作的地方 NRC 在拉法租用了一间办公室，以色列人现在称该地区为安全区。
Yousef moved his immediate family into the office, but his sisters and their families weren't so sure they wanted to follow this time.
优素福把他的直系亲属搬进了办公室，但他的姐妹们和她们的家人这次不太确定是否要效仿。
So Yousef, from the moment he got to Rafah, had been pushing his sisters in Khan Yunis to come.
因此，优素福从到达拉法的那一刻起，就一直在催促他在汗尤尼斯的姐妹们过来。
He'd been at that for almost a week.
他已经这样待了快一个星期了。
To be honest, each one of them have its own personality, and I have to persuade her the way I know.
说实话，他们每个人都有自己的个性，我必须按照我所知道的方式去说服她。
Each one of them.
他们每一个人。
One of them, she's worried about her father-in-law and mother-in-law and was like, OK, they are not safe, and they are on the street.
其中之一，她担心她的公公和婆婆，心想，好吧，他们不安全，而且他们在街上。
I'll build them a tent.
我会给他们搭个帐篷。
But I want to make sure that you are with me here.
但我想确保你和我在一起。
I'll bring them also.
我也会带他们来。
The other one, I had to do the same option with her.
另一方面，我不得不对她做同样的选择。
OK, I'll bring your father-in-law and their entire family.
好的，我带你岳父和他们全家来。
I'll take care of them.
我会照顾他们的。
But I want you to come here.
但我想让你来这里。
I keep doing-- yeah, the one who is pregnant, she's the youngest.
我一直在做——是的，怀孕的那个，她是最小的。
And she's the most stubborn one.
而她，又是最顽固的一个。
Yeah, she's the youngest.
是的，她是最小的。
When we came to the south, there was no military operation on the ground.
当我们来到南方时，地面上还没有任何军事行动。
She refused, and her father-in-law and mother-in-law refused.
她不肯，公公婆婆也不肯。
I had a fight with them.
我和他们吵架了。
And I told them, listen, I want my sister with me.
我告诉他们，听着，我希望我妹妹和我在一起。
And we had a bit of argue because they didn't expect what's coming.
我们发生了一些争论，因为他们没有预料到会发生什么。
Yeah, I hadn't thought about how each time, you have to mentally convince yourself that the place that you're in, which is feeling OK at that moment, might not feel OK very soon.
是的，我没有想过，每次你都必须在精神上说服自己，你所在的地方，当时感觉还不错，可能很快就会感觉不太好。
Yeah, because, yeah, and who would ever imagine that the Israeli tanks will be in the center of Jabalia camp?
是的，因为，是的，谁能想到以色列坦克会出现在贾巴利亚营地的中心？
Or who would ever imagine that they would be in Shifa Hospital?
或者说谁能想到自己会在市发医院呢？
These things, we never imagined that it will be a real thing that we are seeing by our own eyes.
这些事情，我们从来没有想到会是我们亲眼所见的真实的事情。
We never thought about that.
我们从来没有考虑过这一点。
Yousef was lobbying his sisters to move as hard as he could.
尤瑟夫正在游说他的姐妹们尽可能努力地行动。
But honestly, he himself wasn't always totally sure about bringing them to Rafah.
但老实说，他自己并不总是完全确定是否要把它们带到拉法。
Yousef kept searching for new information about what the Israeli military was planning to do next.
尤瑟夫一直在寻找有关以色列军方下一步计划做什么的新信息。
He'd ask everyone he met, looked everywhere online, except a few places he avoided.
他会询问他遇到的每个人，在网上到处查看，除了他避开的几个地方。
I don't open my Facebook, for example, or Instagram because all my friends from Gaza are there.
例如，我不会打开 Facebook 或 Instagram，因为我所有来自加沙的朋友都在那里。
Because I don't want to know who's dead.
因为我不想知道谁死了。
I don't want to know.
我不想知道。
And I don't have the time to respect these people who I lose.
我没有时间去尊重那些我失去的人。
By coincidence, a few days ago, I found out that my uncle is dead.
很巧的是，前几天，我得知叔叔去世了。
I didn't know about that before.
我以前不知道这一点。
And a friend of mine told me that.
我的一个朋友告诉我的。
Oh, yaniya.
哦，亚尼亚。
We were just having a chat, and I mentioned him.
我们刚刚聊天，我就提到了他。
And he didn't know that he was my uncle.
而且他不知道他是我叔叔。
And I was talking like that, oh, he's my uncle.
我当时就这样说，哦，他是我叔叔。
And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry for your loss.
他说，哦，是的，我对你的损失感到抱歉。
I was like, what?
我当时想，什么？
Aw.
噢。
Yousef Hammash I didn't know.
优素福·哈马什 我不知道。
It was like two weeks ago.
就像两周前一样。
He's dead.
他死了。
He's killed two weeks ago in Jabalia while I didn't know.
两周前他在贾巴利亚被杀，而我并不知道。
How did that come up in that conversation?
那次谈话中是怎么出现这个问题的？
We were mentioning where his parents living in Jabalia, and I was like, OK, my relatives living there.
我们提到他的父母住在贾巴利亚，我当时想，好吧，我的亲戚住在那里。
They are from Ajouri family.
他们来自阿朱里家族。
And he was like, yeah, yeah, I know them.
他说，是的，是的，我认识他们。
I was like, yeah, he's my uncle.
我当时想，是的，他是我叔叔。
He's like, yeah, sorry for your loss.
他说，是的，对你的损失感到抱歉。
And I was like, no, no, no, he's alive.
我当时想，不，不，不，他还活着。
He's not.
他不是。
He was killed in an airstrike.
他在空袭中丧生。
I know, I know.
我知道，我知道。
And I felt a bit stupid.
我觉得有点愚蠢。
And it was really weird feeling that I didn't know that my uncle is dead since two weeks.
两周以来我都不知道我叔叔去世了，这种感觉真的很奇怪。
He was killed.
他被杀了。
Do you-- Yousef Hammash The other thing-- OK, just to continue on this story--
你 - 优素福·哈马什 另一件事 - 好吧，继续这个故事 -
Please.
请。
Yousef Hammash Yesterday, my brother who lives in Sweden, my cousin, who is the son of my uncle I mentioned, he was asking my brother to check if I have information about his father.
尤瑟夫·哈马什（Yousef Hammash）昨天，我住在瑞典的兄弟，我的表弟，我提到的叔叔的儿子，他要求我兄弟检查我是否有关于他父亲的信息。
And I don't want to be that-- also to deliver the news for him that his father was killed.
我不想那样——也不想为他传达他父亲被杀的消息。
Have you told him?
你告诉他了吗？
Yousef Hammash No, I told him there is no connection between the south and the north.
优素福·哈马什 不，我告诉他南方和北方之间没有联系。
And it's impossible to reach anyone there, which is true 'cause there is no phone call.
而且不可能联系到那里的任何人，这是事实，因为没有电话。
There is nothing that-- you cannot reach anyone in the north.
没有什么是你无法接触到北方任何人的。
And I was like, I will try to check what's the situation, but I didn't want to be the one who's giving the news.
我当时想，我会尝试检查情况，但我不想成为发布这一消息的人。
Oh, Yousef.
哦，尤瑟夫。
So you just couldn't bring yourself to tell him what you had heard?
所以你就是无法让自己告诉他你所听到的？
Yes.
是的。
Even my mother, who is with me now, doesn't know.
就连现在陪在我身边的妈妈也不知道。
Definitely not.
绝对不是。
And I'm saying that here because I'm sure that they don't understand English, first of all.
我在这里这么说是因为我确信他们首先不懂英语。
And second thing, they won't listen-- sorry for that.
第二件事，他们不会听——对此感到抱歉。
But they're in Gaza.
但他们在加沙。
They won't listen to this podcast to know from this podcast that-- yeah.
他们不会听这个播客来从这个播客中知道——是的。
Ah.
啊。
I always don't-- ya'ani.
我总是不--ya'ani。
It's one of the first times that I really speak about these things, and it seems weird for me that I always, in front of everyone around me, I'm the man who's managing everything and supporting anyone in need.
这是我第一次真正谈论这些事情，对我来说这似乎很奇怪，因为我总是在周围的每个人面前，管理一切并支持任何有需要的人。
And if you need anything, the best one to call is Yousef, you know.
如果您需要任何帮助，最好的电话是 Yousef，您知道。
Now, I'm helpless, useless.
现在的我，很无助，很无助。
And I cannot do anything.
而我却无能为力。
I cannot even manage my own need.
我什至无法满足自己的需要。
So, if your uncle comes up, your mom mentions him or your wife says, oh, I wonder how he's doing, you will not say anything?
所以，如果你叔叔出现，你妈妈提到他，或者你妻子说，哦，我想知道他怎么样，你不会说什么吗？
It happens, and I didn't say anything.
事情发生了，我什么也没说。
Yes, it happened yesterday, and I was like, no, I am not going to say anything.
是的，这件事发生在昨天，我当时想，不，我不会说什么。
My brain was like circling around, and I was like, OK, you have to tell her.
我的大脑在转圈，我想，好吧，你必须告诉她。
She deserves to know that her brother is dead.
她应该知道她哥哥已经死了。
And I was like, no. It's her right to know, and she will blame me a lot when she knows that I was knowing without telling her.
我当时想，不。她有知情权，当她知道我不告诉她而知道的时候，她会责怪我。
I have to shut down my brain.
我必须关闭我的大脑。
It's like, no, you turn off.
就像，不，你关掉。
It's not your role now.
现在这不是你的角色了。
Not your what?
不是你的什么？
Yousef Hammash It's not your role.
尤瑟夫·哈马什：这不是你的角色。
Not your role.
不是你的角色。
Yousef Hammash You don't need to be functioning now.
Yousef Hammash：您现在不需要正常工作。
I have-- to be honest, I have plenty of to-do list.
说实话，我有很多待办事项清单。
On my list, there's many things.
在我的清单上，有很多东西。
My priority now, it's the time to secure my family and manage their needs more than anything else.
我现在的首要任务是保护我的家人并满足他们的需求，这比其他任何事情都重要。
For me, looking for their safety, it's not about them only.
对我来说，寻求他们的安全不仅仅关乎他们。
It's more about me.
这更多是关于我的。
I cannot imagine for a moment losing one of them, one of my sisters.
我一刻也无法想象失去她们中的一个，我的一个姐妹。
It has to be me before them.
在他们之前必须是我。
Because I don't have the strength to even to think about losing one of them.
因为我连想失去他们一个的力气都没有。
That's why I'm doing it, not because of you-- it's because of me.
这就是我这么做的原因，不是因为你——而是因为我。
I don't have that.
我没有那个。
I am weak to have the strength to handle losing any one of them.
我很弱，没有力量去承受失去他们中的任何一个。
I don't have that strength.
我没有那个实力。
Ya'ani, they came to Khan Yunis with me for me.
亚尼，他们和我一起来见汗尤尼斯。
No one agreed.
没有人同意。
It was really hard, and I had to fight with my mother.
真的很辛苦，我不得不和妈妈一起奋斗。
And it was like-- but they came because I want them.
就好像——但他们来是因为我想要他们。
I want them to be with me.
我希望他们和我在一起。
So they do it for you.
所以他们会为你做这件事。
Yousef Hammash That time, yes, it was for me.
是的，那一次是为我准备的。
And this time?
而这一次呢？
Yousef Hammash This time, I think I will prepare everything.
优素福·哈马什 这次，我想我会准备好一切。
I will prepare the tents.
我会准备帐篷。
I'll find you a place.
我给你找个地方。
Then I'll move you once when everything's ready to have you.
等一切准备就绪，我会搬走你一次。
And what pushed me to finish everything today is that Benjamin Netanyahu, he was threatening Hezbollah.
促使我今天完成所有事情的是本杰明·内塔尼亚胡，他威胁真主党。
He was like saying, Hezbollah, you should stop what you are doing because if start a war, we will turn Beirut into Gaza and Khan Yunis.
他说，真主党，你应该停止你正在做的事情，因为如果发动战争，我们会将贝鲁特变成加沙和汗尤尼斯。
So I was like, OK, now it's Khan Yunis.
所以我想，好吧，现在轮到汗尤尼斯了。
I need to grab them from there.
我需要从那里抓住它们。
They are in the center of Khan Yunis.
他们位于汗尤尼斯的中心。
Yep.
是的。
[LAUGHS] Because a lot of people stay until the last moment.
[笑]因为很多人都坚持到最后一刻。
And when they evacuate, they will evacuate under bombing.
而他们撤离的时候，就会在轰炸下撤离。
And I don't want my sisters to experience that.
我不想让我的姐妹经历这种事。
Ah, so there is two types of tents.
啊，帐篷有两种。
Now I became expert, by the way.
顺便说一下，现在我成了专家了。
I was going to ask you how you know to build tents so quickly.
我本来想问你怎么知道这么快就可以搭建帐篷。
So one I get it through NRC, where I work.
我是通过我工作的 NRC 获得的。
And it was with instruction.
这是有指导的。
That was easy.
那很容易。
The other one is like wooden sticks with plastic.
另一种就像带有塑料的木棍。
The hardest part was finding a suitable place to rent a small land, not randomly in the streets.
最困难的部分是找到一个合适的地方租一小块土地，而不是在街上随意租用。
It's a agricultural area.
这是一个农业区。
It's a bit sandy everywhere.
到处都是沙子。
A lot of airstikes.
大量空袭。
Wow.
哇。
Chana Joffe-Walt I'm sorry, what?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 对不起，什么？
Just now?
现在？
Yousef Hammash Yeah.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的。
Yes.
是的。
Another airstrike.
又一次空袭。
They're getting crazy somehow, all of this in Khan Yunis.
不知怎的，他们变得疯狂了，这一切都发生在汗尤尼斯身上。
The explosions are in Khan Yunis right now?
爆炸现在发生在汗尤尼斯吗？
OK.
好的。
Yousef Hammash What's going on?
尤瑟夫·哈马什 发生了什么事？
I'll call you in a minute, OK?
我一会儿给你打电话，好吗？
No problem.
没问题。
No problem.
没问题。
Yousef Hammash I just need to check, OK?
Yousef Hammash 我只是需要检查一下，好吗？
No problem.
没问题。
Yousef Hammash Just one minute, and I'll call you back.
尤瑟夫·哈马什（Yousef Hammash） 请稍等，我会给您回电。
Take your time.
慢慢来。
Bye.
再见。
Yousef Hammash Because it seems really massive there.
Yousef Hammash 因为那里看起来真的很大。
OK.
好的。
Is everybody OK?
大家还好吗？
Yousef Hammash Just want to make sure that they're still alive.
优素福·哈马什只是想确保他们还活着。
Yeah, they're alive.
是的，他们还活着。
Yeah, it was a funny message from my sister.
是的，这是我姐姐发来的一条有趣的消息。
Are you alive?
你还活着吗？
Wait, that's funny?
等等，这很有趣吗？
Yousef Hammash Yeah, because I had to send emojis laughing.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，因为我不得不发送笑的表情符号。
That's how we are talking always, even when I'm with them.
我们总是这样说话，即使我和他们在一起也是如此。
It's like, OK, we have one more day to live.
就好像，好吧，我们还有一天可活。
Let's enjoy it.
让我们欣赏一下吧。
Maybe two days.
也许两天。
OK.
好的。
So you wrote her, are you alive, smiley face?
所以你写信给她，你还活着吗，笑脸？
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Oh, my God.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 噢，天哪。
Yeah, and she writes back yes, or she laughs?
是的，她回信说是，或者她笑了？
Yeah, she laughs.
是的，她笑了。
And she said it's a bit calm.
她说这有点平静。
A bit calm.
有点冷静。
OK, I don't know what this means, a bit calm, but ya'ani.
好吧，我不知道这意味着什么，有点冷静，但是ya'ani。
I'll let you go.
我会让你走。
I've taken so much of your time.
我占用了你太多的时间。
Thank you so much.
太感谢了。
Chana Joffe-Walt And tomorrow, what's going to happen is your sisters are going to move?
Chana Joffe-Walt 明天，如果你的姐妹们要搬家，会发生什么？
Yeah, this is going to be the early thing for me to do in the morning because I don't want them to move under the bombing.
是的，这将是我早上要做的第一件事，因为我不想让他们在轰炸下移动。
So I want to evacuate them when it's a bit calm and manageable without risks.
所以我想在风平浪静、可控且没有风险的情况下疏散他们。
So I'll do it in the early morning.
所以我会在清晨做这件事。
But maybe because of this rain-- ahh, I need to assess the situation tomorrow morning.
不过也许是因为这场雨——啊，明天早上我得评估一下情况。
I promise them that we will make decision together this time tomorrow morning.
我向他们保证明天早上这个时候我们会一起做出决定。
But you've already made the decision that you want them to go.
但你已经决定要他们离开。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt OK.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 好的。
I hope you have an easy night, and I will check in with you tomorrow.
希望您度过一个轻松的夜晚，明天我会与您联系。
That's a good phrase-- easy night.
这是一个很好的短语——轻松的夜晚。
[LAUGHS] OK, inshallah.
[笑]好吧，安拉。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Thank you.
谢谢。
OK, bye.
好的，再见。
Yousef Hammash Thank you.
优素福·哈马什 谢谢。
Bye-bye.
再见。
Did your sisters move today?
今天姐妹们搬家了吗？
Yousef Hammash Unfortunately, not yet.
不幸的是，优素福·哈马什还没有。
They were refusing to leave without a bathroom, but today, there were a lot of tanks and airstrikes.
他们拒绝在没有上厕所的情况下离开，但今天，有大量的坦克和空袭。
No, I promised them that tomorrow it's going to be-- there will be a bathroom tomorrow.
不，我向他们保证明天将会——明天会有一间浴室。
And I'll make my best to make it happen.
我会尽我所能来实现它。
I want to jump in and say a little bit about what Yousef doing his best looks like, an incomplete summary of that particular day.
我想插话谈谈尤瑟夫的最佳表现，这是对那一天的不完整总结。
He spent the morning trying to track down trucks for the Norwegian Refugee Council, where he works.
他花了一个早上的时间试图为他工作的挪威难民委员会寻找卡车。
The trucks were full of aid, things like bedding, tents, buckets for water, that should have arrived at the border, but he couldn't check online if they were there because the system was down, and the phones weren't working.
卡车上装满了援助物资，比如床上用品、帐篷、水桶等，这些东西应该已经到达边境了，但他无法在网上查看它们是否已经到达，因为系统瘫痪了，而且电话也无法使用。
So he went in person, wandered around, looking at plate numbers.
于是他亲自去了，四处闲逛，查看车牌号。
Could not find the trucks.
找不到卡车。
Then he went to the market to find medicine for his wife, Manal, who's sick.
然后他去市场为生病的妻子玛纳尔寻找药物。
Could not find medicine.
找不到药。
In the midst of all this, he got a call from another relative who was fleeing and needed a place to stay in Rafah.
就在这一切期间，他接到了另一位正在逃亡的亲戚的电话，他需要在拉法找到一个住处。
Yes, yes, you can come, Yousef told him.
是的，是的，你可以来，尤瑟夫告诉他。
One more tent.
又一个帐篷。
Near his sister's tents, Yousef saw a guy building a bathroom, hired that guy, but he's busy until tomorrow.
在他姐姐的帐篷附近，尤瑟夫看到一个人在建浴室，就雇用了那个人，但他要忙到明天。
The bathroom guy told Yousef he needed to find supplies.
浴室工作人员告诉尤瑟夫他需要寻找用品。
So Yousef spent hours searching for cement, stones, and a water tank.
因此，尤瑟夫花了几个小时寻找水泥、石头和水箱。
He found a water tank, but it was in a different part of Gaza.
他发现了一个水箱，但它位于加沙的另一个地方。
So Yousef paid more than the price of the water tank to get it transported.
因此，尤瑟夫支付的费用比水箱的价格还要高才能运输它。
I was picturing like a hole in the ground that you were going to build near-- you were going to dig near the tents.
我想象着你要在帐篷附近挖一个洞。
But you're building an actual bathroom with water and walls.
但你正在建造一个真正的带有水和墙壁的浴室。
Yes, so that's actually, that was a condition from my sisters.
是的，这实际上是我姐妹们提出的条件。
So, is that the first thing for you tomorrow?
那么，这是你明天的第一件事吗？
Definitely, yes.
绝对是的。
It will be happening for sure tomorrow because, ya'ani, a few-- two hours ago or less, there was an airstrike near them, and it takes me half an hour or more just trying to call, trying to call.
明天肯定会发生，因为，亚尼，两个小时前或更短的时间，他们附近发生了一次空袭，我花了半个小时或更长时间才试图打电话，试图打电话。
I couldn't reach anyone.
我无法联系到任何人。
That's freaking me out.
这让我很害怕。
And I cannot handle the situation again.
我无法再次处理这种情况。
And I managed to reach my sister, Aseel.
我设法联系上了我的妹妹阿塞尔。
And they are fine.
他们很好。
There's a lot of gas and a lot of bombing, but we are fine.
虽然有很多毒气和轰炸，但我们还好。
And that's what-- and this is when we agreed, hallas, tomorrow you are moving.
就是这样——这就是我们同意的时候，哈拉，明天你就要搬家了。
And I will come to pick you tomorrow.
明天我会来接你。
So she definitely agreed.
所以她肯定同意了。
Yousef Hammash Yeah, yeah.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，是的。
I then-- sorry.
那么我——抱歉。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Are we recording or something?
[说阿拉伯语] 我们是在录音还是什么？
Because my son is just annoying me.
因为我的儿子只是让我烦恼。
That's OK.
没关系。
I like hearing him.
我喜欢听他说。
How old is he?
他几岁了？
2 year and a 1/2.
2 年又 1/2。
Chana Joffe-Walt 2 and 1/2.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 2 和 1/2。
Ilya!
伊利亚！
[SPEAKING ARABIC] I'm just asking them to close the door.
[说阿拉伯语]我只是要求他们关上门。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Last night, I had to stay awake and until-- Ahmed who cannot sleep without being kissed 1,000 times on his cheeks until he sleeps.
[说阿拉伯语] 昨晚，我必须保持清醒，直到——艾哈迈德，他的脸颊被亲吻了 1,000 次才睡着。
Sometimes when he feels that I'm tired of kissing him, he gives me his hand to kiss it.
有时当他觉得我厌倦了亲他时，他就会把手伸给我去亲。
Exactly.
确切地。
Yeah, he likes to give me some rest sometimes.
是的，他有时喜欢让我休息一下。
OK, you can kiss my hand.
好吧，你可以亲吻我的手。
I don't know how he get this habit, but I don't mind it.
我不知道他是怎么养成这个习惯的，但我不介意。
And for me, it's OK.
对我来说，没关系。
I'm really grateful for the rain.
我真的很感谢这场雨。
It start raining.
天开始下雨了。
Then that reduced the sound of bombing.
这样就减少了轰炸的声音。
And also, you can use, no, this is thunder strike.
而且，你还可以使用，不，这是雷霆一击。
So we are lucky today.
所以我们今天很幸运。
I can-- we can manipulate that, so ya'ani.
我可以——我们可以操纵它，所以雅尼。
So you'll tell them in the night, if they hear a noise--
所以你会在晚上告诉他们，如果他们听到噪音——
Yeah, it's raining.
是的，下雨了。
It's raining.
下雨了。
It's raining.
下雨了。
You know, it's a thunder strike.
要知道，这是雷霆一击。
It's raining, ya'ani.
下雨了，亚尼。
I don't know.
我不知道。
At the beginning, it was a bit easy to convince them that this is fireworks or thunder strike, but then even my daughter, Illya, which is five years old, now can understand that this is airstrike.
一开始，要让他们相信这是烟花或雷击有点容易，但后来连我五岁的女儿伊利亚（Illya）现在也能明白这是空袭。
Even my son, Ahmed, who is 2 years and 1/2, and he can say like a bombing.
即使是我 2 岁零 1/2 的儿子艾哈迈德，他也能说得像爆炸一样。
This is from airplane.
这是从飞机上拍的。
And he keep using this word gussuff, gussuff which means strikes.
他一直用这个词“gussuff”，“gussuff”的意思是“罢工”。
And-- what the hell?
还有——到底是什么？
That's another massive airstrike.
这又是一次大规模空袭。
Is it close to you?
它离你很近吗？
Yousef Hammash Uh, no. If it was close, you would hear it.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 呃，不。如果离得很近，你就会听到。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
Yousef Hammash I failed to convince them that this is not a war.
优素福·哈马什我未能让他们相信这不是一场战争。
And I felt that they know that this is a war at that age.
我觉得他们在那个年纪就知道这是一场战争。
And they see how we are shouting.
他们看到我们如何大喊大叫。
My sisters are crying, or it's not enough anymore for my children, when they feel panic from bombing, to run towards us.
我的姐妹们在哭泣，或者当我的孩子们因轰炸而感到恐慌时，他们向我们跑来已经不够了。
They start scream without even running towards us because, somehow, they understood that we don't have that ability to protect them.
他们甚至没有跑向我们就开始尖叫，因为不知何故，他们明白我们没有能力保护他们。
And that's something really awful when you understand that your children understand that you cannot protect them.
当你明白你的孩子明白你无法保护他们时，这真是太可怕了。
When I start to feel useless in front of my children and I found that I cannot protect my children, I deeply regret it because--
当我开始觉得自己在孩子面前一无是处，发现自己无法保护自己的孩子时，我深深地后悔，因为——
You regret what?
你后悔什么？
Yousef Hammash What is the meaning as a father?
优素福·哈马什作为父亲的意义是什么？
I regret having children here.
我很遗憾在这里生孩子。
What is the meaning for me as a father if I cannot protect them?
如果我不能保护他们，我作为一个父亲还有什么意义？
You regret having children?
你后悔生孩子吗？
Having children in Gaza?
在加沙生孩子？
Yes.
是的。
Definitely, I regret.
确实，我后悔了。
I made them.
我做的。
I made that decision.
我做出了这个决定。
And I had children in Gaza while I know the consequences, but I wasn't imagining that we will go through this.
我在加沙生了孩子，虽然我知道后果，但我没想到我们会经历这一切。
Because I am a man of responsibility.
因为我是一个有责任心的人。
I'm responsible for these children to secure their life and future.
我有责任保护这些孩子的生命和未来。
If I know that they will live through this, I would never, ever even get married here.
如果我知道他们会经历这一切，我永远不会在这里结婚。
You would never get married.
你永远不会结婚。
Is that what you said?
是你说的吗？
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Yeah.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 是的。
Is a part of that feeling like I should have known not to do this, or--
是那种感觉的一部分，就像我应该知道不这样做，或者——
It's I should never have did that decision.
我根本不应该做这个决定。
Hello?
你好？
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, Yousef.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 嗨，尤瑟夫。
Do you have a couple of minutes?
您有几分钟时间吗？
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
Of course, yeah.
当然，是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt How did today go?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 今天过得怎么样？
Oof, it was really, really long day.
哦，这真是非常非常漫长的一天。
Had to start really early, and it was a lot of things to do.
必须很早就开始，而且有很多事情要做。
They moved?
他们搬家了？
Yousef Hammash So I brought them all.
优素福·哈马什 所以我把它们都带来了。
Yeah, they moved.
是的，他们搬家了。
Wow, you did it.
哇，你做到了。
Took you-- Yousef Hammash Oof, it was really a lot.
带你——Yousef Hammash Oof，真的很多。
[LAUGHS] Last night, they were texting me about a lot of bombing.
[笑]昨晚，他们给我发短信说发生了很多爆炸事件。
The house next to them was bombed.
他们旁边的房子被炸了。
Another house behind them was bombed.
他们身后的另一所房子被炸了。
And so they wanted to move.
所以他们想搬家。
They wanted to go at last.
他们终于想走了。
Yousef, the house next to them was bombed last night?
尤瑟夫，他们隔壁的房子昨晚被炸了？
Yes.
是的。
Yeah, last night was a bit harsh when they started texting me that the bombing is around us.
是的，昨晚有点刺耳，他们开始发短信给我说爆炸就在我们周围。
What?
什么？
Yeah.
是的。
But there was an airstrike that hit a property right next to them.
但他们旁边的一处房产遭到空袭。
Yes, but it's a drone strike.
是的，但这是一次无人机袭击。
So, OK, we have different types of missiles that the Israelis are using.
所以，好吧，我们有以色列人使用的不同类型的导弹。
So there is the F-16, which is warplanes and this American-made weapon that are destroying entire neighborhoods.
所以就有了 F-16，它是战机和这种美国制造的武器，正在摧毁整个社区。
The drones have smaller bombs that destroy a house or half of the house.
无人机携带较小的炸弹，可以摧毁一座房屋或半座房屋。
They were afraid that the bombing might be in the same house because it's four floors, and they are on the first one.
他们担心爆炸可能发生在同一所房子里，因为房子有四层，而他们在第一层。
So that's why they didn't argue me and like, yes, let's move.
所以这就是为什么他们没有和我争论，而是说，是的，我们走吧。
You texted back, I'm coming?
你回短信了，我来吗？
Yousef Hammash Yes, and they were freaking out that I will come.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，他们很害怕我会来。
And my wife prevented me.
我的妻子阻止了我。
My sisters were texting me, do not come.
我的姐妹们给我发短信，不要来。
There is a lot of bombing in the street in front of the house.
房子前面的街道上发生了很多爆炸事件。
Do not come.
别来。
Yousef waited till the sun came up and then drove to Khan Yunis.
优素福等到太阳升起，然后开车前往汗尤尼斯。
He says on his way there, he could hear gunfire and explosions all around him.
他说，在去那里的路上，他听到周围有枪声和爆炸声。
The first thing I did in the morning is, I went there, pack up in the car my sisters and their children.
我早上做的第一件事就是去那里，把我的姐妹们和她们的孩子带上车。
And then I came, and then I sent another car, like a small van, small bus, so I can have the bags and everything and my brothers-in-law.
然后我来了，然后我派了另一辆车，比如小面包车、小巴士，这样我就可以带着行李和所有东西，还有我的姐夫。
Was there a part of you that felt a little frustrated, like I told you guys you should have come earlier?
你们是否感到有点沮丧，就像我告诉你们应该早点来一样？
I didn't want it to get to this.
我不想事情发展到这一步。
That's exactly the first thing I said today when I met them.
这正是我今天见到他们时说的第一句话。
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt What did you say?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你说什么？
And the first thing was like, I told you.
第一件事就是，我告诉过你了。
'Cause it was a lot of bombing, a lot of tanks.
因为有很多轰炸，有很多坦克。
Like, I told you before.
就像我之前告诉过你的那样。
We don't need to run away under shelling and bombing.
我们不需要在炮击和轰炸下逃跑。
But now we did it.
但现在我们做到了。
Khalas.
卡拉斯。
Every time it had to be the same situation.
每次都必须是同样的情况。
So, overnight, you're worried about their survival, and you're panicked, and you want to drive to get them in the middle of the night.
所以，一夜之间，你担心他们的生存，你惊慌失措，你想在半夜开车去接他们。
But in the morning, you greet them with, "I told you so." This is what I said was going to happen.
但到了早上，你会用“我告诉过你了”来迎接他们。这就是我所说的将会发生的事情。
Yeah.
是的。
I was blaming them.
我在责怪他们。
So there is no discussion.
所以没有讨论。
We are leaving.
我们要离开了。
So you didn't like hug them and cry and say, I'm so glad you survived.
所以你不喜欢拥抱他们，哭着说，我很高兴你活了下来。
You said, get in the car.
你说，上车吧。
No, no, we have a different type of relation.
不，不，我们有不同类型的关系。
It's not about hugging them.
这不是拥抱他们。
I was laughing.
我在笑。
You should have died.
你应该死了。
I should be in the morgue now.
我现在应该在停尸房里。
[CHUCKLES] This is how I am with my sisters.
[笑]我和我的姐妹们就是这样。
Hadir was like, ah, you know.
哈迪尔说，啊，你知道。
Actually, they will start to give me orders quickly.
事实上，他们很快就会开始给我下订单。
You need to talk to our cousin, Amajid, because he was hosting us.
你需要和我们的表弟阿马吉德谈谈，因为他接待了我们。
You need to invite him.
你需要邀请他。
You have to talk to him nicely and push to bring them with us because they take care of us for a long time.
你必须和他好好谈谈，并努力让他们和我们一起去，因为他们照顾我们很长时间了。
Now we have to repay them.
现在我们必须回报他们。
Also, go to our Uncle Ayman because they wanted to have invited by you, not us.
另外，去找我们的艾曼叔叔，因为他们想邀请你，而不是我们。
It's a bit weird.
有点奇怪。
Like, OK, I'll do this.
就像，好吧，我会这样做。
And you pack the luggage, and you do that.
然后你收拾好行李，然后就这么做了。
And they refused to leave before cleaning everything.
他们在清理所有东西之前拒绝离开。
They wouldn't leave without cleaning the house?
他们不打扫房子就不会离开吗？
Yep, cleaning the house, kitchen, bathrooms,
是的，打扫房子，厨房，浴室，
Yes, because they will-- yeah, yeah, that was actually weird from them.
是的，因为他们会——是的，是的，这对他们来说确实很奇怪。
But this is how they think, and I really respect it because we leave it better than the way we have.
但这就是他们的想法，我真的很尊重它，因为我们让它比我们现有的方式更好。
This is how we show respect.
这就是我们表达尊重的方式。
And we had to clean.
我们必须清洁。
What did it-- Yousef Hammash And so it was the first time for them since the beginning of the war to see the sea.
这是怎么回事——尤瑟夫·哈马什 所以这是自战争开始以来他们第一次看到大海。
Oh.
哦。
Yousef Hammash And they were very, very excited and happy.
Yousef Hammash 他们非常非常兴奋和高兴。
How did they respond to the tents when you showed them where they're staying?
当你带他们参观他们住的地方时，他们对帐篷有何反应？
I was expecting that they will be like, ah, it's not nice.
我原以为他们会说，啊，这不太好。
It's whatever.
随便吧。
But they were happy.
但他们很高兴。
It's like, OK, it's nice.
就像，好吧，这很好。
It's good.
很好。
Did you feel nervous?
你感到紧张吗？
Yousef Hammash Yeah, yeah, yeah.
优素福·哈马什 是啊，是啊，是啊。
I want them to see that-- to prove for them that I did my best.
我希望他们看到这一点——向他们证明我已经尽力了。
And I was checking on them inside the tents.
我正在帐篷里检查他们。
What do you think?
你怎么认为？
It's warm.
很温暖。
There is two layers for the tent, one for if it's rain and one inside.
帐篷有两层，一层用于防雨，一层用于内部。
I was trying to convince them as you know these sale people who is trying to convince you to buy something?
我试图说服他们，就像你知道这些销售人员试图说服你买东西一样？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
That was you?
那是你吗？
Yousef Hammash That's exactly what I was.
优素福·哈马什：我就是这样的人。
That was me today.
这就是今天的我。
Yeah, no, it's nice.
是的，不，这很好。
Good.
好的。
We'll do with the bathroom here.
我们就在这里处理浴室。
We'll get something there.
我们会在那里得到一些东西。
Here, we can turn on the fire.
到这里，我们就可以把火打开了。
And I was like, oh, well, maybe I'll get you internet tomorrow.
我当时想，哦，好吧，也许明天我会给你上网。
And I will get you lights here.
我会在这里给你灯。
Our neighbors have a solar panel.
我们的邻居有太阳能电池板。
He will connect us some lights.
他会给我们连接一些灯。
Yeah, I was trying-- I was doing that salesman.
是的，我正在尝试——我正在扮演那个推销员。
And they were happy.
他们很高兴。
They were?
他们是？
Did they give you the response you wanted?
他们给了你你想要的回应吗？
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's nice.
是的，就像，是的，这很好。
Also, in our way coming, we went through one of the camps that people are just building tents in the streets.
另外，在我们来的路上，我们经过了一个营地，人们刚刚在街上搭建帐篷。
And they saw how miserable the situation is.
他们看到了情况是多么悲惨。
And I meant to go there before taking them to our place.
我本来打算在带他们去我们住处之前先去那里。
You did it on purpose?
你是故意的吗？
Yousef Hammash Exactly, because I want them to see how people are living to prove for them that I did my best, managing what I could.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 没错，因为我希望他们看到人们是如何生活的，以向他们证明我已尽力而为，尽我所能。
When I met them today, I found out that they didn't eat for two days.
今天见到他们，才发现他们已经两天没吃饭了。
They only eat rice.
他们只吃米饭。
So first thing I was thinking about preparing a really big meal for them, and they were surprised.
所以我首先想到的是为他们准备一顿丰盛的饭菜，他们很惊讶。
I had barbecues and kebab.
我吃了烧烤和烤肉串。
And I was like, no, no, no.
我当时想，不，不，不。
So they had a meal?
所以他们吃过饭了？
You had a meal together?
你们一起吃过饭吗？
A very big one.
很大的一个。
It was very expensive one, but I was like, OK, I'll feed you until you've had more than enough.
这是非常昂贵的，但我想，好吧，我会喂你，直到你吃够为止。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Wow.
哇。
Yousef Hammash And so, after fasting for two days, it was to provide them with something really good.
优素福·哈马什 所以，禁食两天后，是为了给他们提供一些真正好的东西。
Did they appreciate it?
他们欣赏吗？
Yousef Hammash Ooh, a lot.
优素福·哈马什 噢，很多。
They were very happy.
他们非常高兴。
I was very happy also, having this meal.
吃完这顿饭，我也很高兴。
The next day, Yousef went to work, his family getting settled right nearby.
第二天，尤瑟夫去上班，他的家人就在附近安顿下来。
He made it a couple hours into the day when he got a call from his youngest sister, Aseel.
几个小时后，他接到了最小的妹妹阿塞尔的电话。
It's too complicated.
太复杂了。
Chana Joffe-Walt Wait, tell me what happened with your sister.
查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 等等，告诉我你姐姐发生了什么事。
So Aseel today wanted to go to the bathroom, and she waited.
所以阿塞尔今天想去洗手间，她就等着。
So there is in the land next to us, they have a bathroom and they are friends of mine.
所以在我们旁边的土地上，他们有一间浴室，他们是我的朋友。
And my neighbor is hosting more than 60 people.
我的邻居接待了 60 多人。
So they have to wait in line to earn this bathroom.
所以他们必须排队等候才能获得这个浴室。
It's a single bathroom.
这是一个单间浴室。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
Yousef Hammash [SIGHS] Well, yes, and she cannot wait.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 [叹气] 嗯，是的，她等不及了。
She is pregnant and ya'ani.
她怀孕了，还怀孕了。
It's a bit embarrassing for her.
这对她来说有点尴尬。
And so she started to cry, and then she called me.
于是她开始哭，然后她给我打电话。
While she was in line?
当她排队的时候？
Yousef Hammash So she tried several times, and she was hopeless.
优素福·哈马什于是她尝试了好几次，但都无望了。
Then she started to cry and decided to go back to Khan Yunis.
然后她开始哭泣并决定回到汗尤尼斯身边。
[GASPS] Yousef Hammash She decided that, and she called me and she told me, I am leaving to Khan Yunis now.
[喘息] Yousef Hammash 她决定了，她打电话给我，她告诉我，我现在要去 Khan Yunis 那里。
Oh, that changed the day.
哦，这改变了这一天。
I had to go back to meet my sister, take her to the bathroom, spend an hour or more.
我必须回去见我姐姐，带她去洗手间，花一个小时或更长时间。
I stopped the line.
我停了线。
How did the 60 people waiting respond to that?
等待的60人对此有何反应？
Ah, it went OK.
啊，一切顺利。
I told them no one is getting inside.
我告诉他们没有人能进去。
No one goes to the bathroom, hallas, until my sister finished.
在我姐姐完成之前，没有人去洗手间，哈拉。
Was she seriously thinking about going back to Khan Yunis?
她是否认真考虑回到汗尤尼斯身边？
I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
It shows me that she needs me.
这表明她需要我。
I need to find a solution now.
我现在需要找到解决方案。
She's above the limit.
她已经超出了极限。
That's another alarming thing.
这是另一件令人震惊的事情。
So she is at the seventh month, about to finish it.
现在她已经第七个月了，即将完成。
So I guess she is going [SIGHS] through a lot.
所以我猜她经历了很多[叹息]。
The whole week, Yousef had been telling me he needed his family close to him.
整整一周，优素福一直告诉我他需要家人靠近他。
Now, they're here.
现在，他们来了。
They're together in Rafah.
他们一起在拉法。
They'd moved from the very north of Gaza all the way down, at the bottom edge of the Gaza Strip on the border with Egypt.
他们从加沙最北端一路向下，到达加沙地带与埃及边境的底部边缘。
Yousef was now responsible for his own camp of about 60 people, one of whom was eight months pregnant, and all of whom were looking to him to tell them, what now?
优素福现在负责管理他自己的大约 60 人的营地，其中一人怀孕了八个月，所有人都指望他告诉他们，现在怎么办？
What's the plan?
计划是什么？
Chana Joffe-Walt.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特。
Coming up, things do not go like Yousef planned.
接下来，事情不会像尤瑟夫计划的那样进行。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today, we're telling the story of Yousef Hammash.
今天，我们要讲述优素福·哈马什的故事。
He spent months moving his family from one place to another in Gaza, trying to keep them safe.
他花了几个月的时间将家人从加沙的一个地方搬到另一个地方，试图保证他们的安全。
Until, finally, at the end of last year, he got them out of Rafah, an enormous feat that-- I don't want to idealize Yousef here, but there are few people who have the special combination of resources and familial relationships and trust and also skills and planning abilities and really luck to pull off what Yousef just pulled off-- getting 60 people to Rafah housed and together and seemingly, for the moment, safe.
直到去年年底，他终于将他们带出了拉法，这是一项巨大的壮举——我不想在这里将尤瑟夫理想化，但很少有人拥有资源、家庭关系、信任、技能和规划能力的特殊组合，并且非常幸运地完成了尤瑟夫刚刚完成的任务——将 60 个人带到拉法，安置在一起，目前看来是安全的。
So, by the beginning of this year, they're all settled in Rafah, waiting.
所以，到今年年初，他们都在拉法定居下来，等待着。
But every day, there's talk that Israel is going to launch a ground assault in Rafah next.
但每天都有传言称以色列下一步将向拉法发动地面攻击。
And Aseel, Yousef's youngest sister, is about to give birth.
尤瑟夫最小的妹妹阿塞尔即将分娩。
Again, here's Chana.
再说一次，这是查娜。
I really wanted to talk to Yousef's sister, Aseel.
我真的很想和 Yousef 的妹妹 Aseel 谈谈。
Once he got them all to Rafah, she was the one Yousef was thinking about the most, talked about the most.
当他把它们全部交给拉法时，她是尤瑟夫最想念、谈论最多的人。
The funny sister, the emotional sister.
有趣的姐姐，感性的姐姐。
Also the one most like Yousef-- resourceful, determined.
也是最像尤瑟夫的人——足智多谋、意志坚定。
Yousef told me once Aseel settled in Rafah, she quickly started taking things into her own hands.
尤瑟夫告诉我，阿塞尔在拉法定居后，她很快就开始把事情掌握在自己手中。
First of all, the tents Yousef built, they were too crowded and loud.
首先，尤瑟夫搭建的帐篷太拥挤、太吵闹。
Aseel built her own tent with her husband.
阿塞尔和她的丈夫一起建造了自己的帐篷。
Every time Yousef went to visit the camp, he'd find everyone in Aseel's tent, hanging out.
每次尤瑟夫去参观营地时，他都会发现阿塞尔的帐篷里的每个人都在闲逛。
She began to rebuild other parts of her life there, too.
她也开始在那里重建生活的其他部分。
Aseel is a nurse.
阿塞尔是一名护士。
People in the camp began bringing her their medical questions.
营地里的人们开始向她提出医疗问题。
She'd advise, follow up, try to source medications for them when she could.
她会建议、跟进、尽可能为他们寻找药物。
Aseel's tent became part living room, part clinic.
阿塞尔的帐篷一半是客厅，一半是诊所。
Yousef had always told me Aseel was his youngest and most stubborn sister.
尤瑟夫总是告诉我阿塞尔是他最小、最固执的妹妹。
But when she arrived in Rafah, he added, she's also the least fazed.
但他补充说，当她到达拉法时，她也是最不担心的。
Difficult things do not rattle Aseel, which is why the moment she'd called him, crying in line to the bathroom, was so alarming to him.
困难的事情不会让阿塞尔感到不安，这就是为什么当她哭着去洗手间打电话给他的那一刻，他感到如此惊慌。
Yeah, she usually doesn't complain.
是的，她通常不会抱怨。
She doesn't complain.
她没有抱怨。
Usually, Aseel is the most-- between my sister, I look to Aseel as the most wise.
通常，Aseel 是最聪明的——在我的姐妹中，我认为 Aseel 是最明智的。
She's young, but she's expert.
她很年轻，但她是专家。
She's in love with nursing and all of this.
她热爱护理和所有这一切。
She reads a lot.
她读了很多书。
I spoke a lot about Aseel.
我谈了很多关于阿塞尔的事。
And trust me, you'll be surprised when you talk to her.
相信我，当你和她交谈时你会感到惊讶。
Hello?
你好？
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, Aseel.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 嗨，Aseel。
This is Chana.
这是查娜。
Hi finally.
终于嗨了
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, finally the famous sister.
Chana Joffe-Walt 嗨，终于是著名的姐姐了。
[LAUGHS] Yeah.
[笑]是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt The internet is OK now?
Chana Joffe-Walt 现在网络还好吗？
Erm, yeah.
嗯，是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt OK.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 好的。
Did I lose you?
我失去你了吗？
It was not OK.
不行。
Aseel The internet is really bad.
Aseel 互联网真的很糟糕。
Uh, one minute, please.
呃，请等一下。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
The was no internet at the tents and hardly any cell connection.
帐篷里没有互联网，几乎没有任何手机连接。
I'd try catch Aseel on the internet at Yousef's office or on her phone.
我会尝试通过尤瑟夫办公室的互联网或她的手机联系阿塞尔。
Hi, Chana.
嗨，查娜。
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你好。
Can you hear me?
你能听到我吗？
I learned things in scraps of conversation that were maybe two or three minutes long, some voice memos, text messages.
我从大约两三分钟长的谈话片段、一些语音备忘录、短信中学到了一些东西。
Just as Aseel had managed her situation at the camp, she took control of her plans for childbirth, too.
正如阿塞尔掌控了她在营地的处境一样，她也掌控了自己的分娩计划。
Aseel told me she'd never been fearful of childbirth.
阿塞尔告诉我她从不害怕分娩。
She'd seen lots of births as a nurse.
作为一名护士，她见过很多次分娩。
She was actually working in labor and delivery in Gaza City when the war started.
战争爆发时，她实际上正在加沙城从事分娩工作。
She'd imagined it.
她曾想象过。
She could do it.
她能做到。
She said, when it comes to health care matters, I'm capable of controlling the situation for myself and those around me.
她说，在医疗保健方面，我有能力为自己和周围的人控制情况。
When she had to flee her home, leave behind the doctor she loved and the hospital she had planned to deliver in, Aseel just made a new plan.
当她不得不逃离家园，离开她所爱的医生和她计划分娩的医院时，阿塞尔制定了一个新计划。
She found a new hospital and a new doctor in Khan Yunis.
她在汗尤尼斯找到了一家新医院和一位新医生。
When that fell apart and she fled to Rafah, Aseel brought Yousef into her planning process.
当一切破裂并逃往拉法时，阿塞尔将尤瑟夫带入了她的计划过程。
In Rafah, Aseel and Yousef worked in tandem.
在拉法，阿塞尔和尤瑟夫协同工作。
They figured out where she could deliver-- a small maternity hospital.
他们找到了她可以在哪里分娩——一家小型妇产医院。
They mapped out a route to the hospital.
他们绘制了前往医院的路线。
Rafah is so packed with traffic and people now, it can take hours to get across the city, so Yousef studied routes and Google Maps.
拉法现在交通拥挤，人群拥挤，穿过这座城市可能需要几个小时，因此尤瑟夫研究了路线和谷歌地图。
And he practiced driving to the hospital on back streets through farmland and bumpy dirt roads.
他还练习在后街穿过农田和崎岖不平的土路开车去医院。
Aseel didn't want to bring a newborn back to the tent in the cold, so Yousef asked the NRC if Aseel and the baby could stay with him and the other staff living at the NRC office, just for a bit after the birth.
Aseel 不想在寒冷中将新生儿带回帐篷，因此 Yousef 询问 NRC，Aseel 和婴儿是否可以在出生后与他和住在 NRC 办公室的其他工作人员一起住一段时间。
They said yes.
他们说是的。
At the camp, they got the bathroom up and running four days after Aseel arrived.
在阿塞尔到达营地四天后，他们就把浴室安装起来并开始运行。
By late January, Yousef and Aseel had a bathroom, a route to the hospital, and a postpartum plan.
到一月底，尤瑟夫和阿塞尔有了一间浴室、一条去医院的路线以及一个产后计划。
There was only one thing Aseel desperately wanted that she couldn't make happen herself.
只有一件事是阿塞尔迫切想要的，但她自己却无法实现。
She told me in Arabic, when we were finally able to talk for a longer stretch.
当我们终于能够长时间交谈时，她用阿拉伯语告诉我。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I've always prayed that I won't give birth until there's a truce.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 我一直祈祷在休战之前我不会生孩子。
I don't want to start experiencing labor pain before there's a truce.
我不想在休战之前就开始经历阵痛。
God willing, it will happen.
上帝保佑，这将会发生。
Every day, there were small glimmers of a possible truce.
每天，都有可能休战的一线曙光。
Negotiations were underway for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
以色列和哈马斯之间的停火谈判正在进行中。
It was the last week of January.
那是一月的最后一周。
Aseel was due February 4.
Aseel 的预产期是 2 月 4 日。
With or without a truce, Aseel and Yousef had a plan.
无论是否休战，阿塞尔和尤瑟夫都有一个计划。
Then, five days before her due date, they had an unexpected dry run that tested their plan.
然后，在预产期前五天，他们进行了一次意想不到的预演，测试了他们的计划。
Aseel had contractions in the middle of the night.
阿塞尔在半夜出现宫缩。
Yousef raced her to the hospital.
尤瑟夫赶紧把她送到医院。
It was a false alarm.
这是一场虚惊。
The contractions subsided.
宫缩减弱了。
But for the first time, Aseel got to see what it looked like inside the hospital.
但这是阿塞尔第一次看到医院内部的样子。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter When you enter the hospital, there's an unimaginable number of displaced people.
[阿拉伯语] 口译员 当您进入医院时，您会看到数量难以想象的流离失所者。
It's full of displaced people.
这里挤满了流离失所的人。
When we were standing at the door, there was a woman coming from Abasan in Khan Yunis.
当我们站在门口时，有一位来自汗尤尼斯阿巴桑的妇女。
They were displaced, and she came to the hospital in labor.
他们流离失所，她临产时来到医院。
Her water had already broken.
她的羊水已经破了。
She was standing at the door, waiting in line, because there are five or six beds inside, and they are all full.
她站在门口，排队等候，因为里面有五六张床位，而且都已经满了。
She was waiting for her turn to get examined, even though she couldn't stand.
尽管她无法站立，但她仍在等待轮到自己接受检查。
The baby came out while she was waiting at the door.
当她在门口等的时候，孩子出来了。
Yeah.
是的。
The baby is all-- Interpreter Yeah, the baby is all-- the baby came out, and they laid her down on the floor to deliver the baby right there.
孩子已经出来了，他们把她放在地板上，就在那里生下孩子。
There were no beds, not even in the maternity ward.
连产房都没有床位。
They laid her down on the floor, and the midwife or the doctor came to deliver the baby with her on the ground.
他们把她放在地板上，然后助产士或医生来接生，把她放在地上。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
In front of you.
在你面前。
Aseel [SPEAKING ARABIC]
Aseel [阿拉伯语]
Yeah, I feared that I would be in her place.
是的，我担心我会处于她的位置。
I imagined myself in her place, waiting for my turn to go in for labor, but then for it to happen at the door.
我想象自己处于她的位置，等待轮到我去分娩，但随后就在门口发生了。
That night, in the hospital, everything suddenly felt very real to Aseel.
那天晚上，在医院里，阿塞尔突然感觉一切都变得非常真实。
She was about to give birth in a tiny hospital that used to have around 20 births a day, and now sometimes had 100.
她即将在一家小医院里生产，以前每天大约生产 20 例，现在有时可以生产 100 例。
She would be delivering her first baby in a city that had 200,000 people just a few months ago and now had 1.5 million.
她将在这座几个月前只有 20 万人口、而现在拥有 150 万人口的城市生下她的第一个孩子。
She was about to give birth in a hospital in the middle of a war that had killed 600 people inside medical facilities and obliterated the vast majority of health care services.
她即将在战争期间的一家医院分娩，这场战争导致医疗设施内 600 人死亡，绝大多数医疗保健服务被摧毁。
She was about to have a child in a war where more than 10,000 children have been killed so far.
她即将在一场战争中生下孩子，迄今为止，这场战争已导致一万多名儿童丧生。
Aseel couldn't get unpregnant.
阿塞尔不可能不怀孕。
She could pray for a ceasefire, but she couldn't wait for one.
她可以祈祷停火，但她不能等待。
Aseel had imagined her birth so clearly before the war.
阿塞尔在战前就曾如此清晰地想象过她的出生。
But now she was imagining it in ways she never had before.
但现在她以前所未有的方式想象它。
What if she delivered at the hospital on the floor?
如果她在医院的地板上分娩怎么办？
What if she delivered in her tent alone?
如果她一个人在帐篷里分娩怎么办？
What if Israeli tanks came into Rafah while she was in labor?
如果以色列坦克在拉法分娩时开进怎么办？
What if she was naked, pushing a baby out, when an Israeli soldier showed up at the door to her tent?
如果当一名以色列士兵出现在她的帐篷门口时，她赤身裸体地把婴儿推出去怎么办？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Thinking about this by itself plants terror in my heart.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 想到这一点本身就让我心里感到恐惧。
That I could give birth and see the soldiers.
我可以生孩子并看到士兵们。
The mere sight of the soldiers scares me.
光是看到士兵就让我害怕。
And what if after she delivered her baby, she started bleeding?
如果她生完孩子后开始流血怎么办？
One horrifying thing Aseel knew was happening in Gaza right now is women who hemorrhage after birth are sometimes being given hysterectomies.
阿塞尔知道加沙现在正在发生一件可怕的事情，那就是产后大出血的妇女有时会接受子宫切除术。
I've talked to doctors and a midwife in Gaza who told me this is happening.
我与加沙的医生和助产士交谈过，他们告诉我这种情况正在发生。
It's happening for lots of reasons.
发生这种情况的原因有很多。
Hospitals don't have the routine medications that help stop bleeding after birth.
医院没有有助于产后止血的常规药物。
They also don't have staff.
他们也没有工作人员。
The staff they do have don't have time.
他们现有的员工没有时间。
Pregnant women are coming in malnourished, sometimes with injuries and other complications.
孕妇来时营养不良，有时还受伤或出现其他并发症。
And they're going into labor severely anemic.
他们即将临产时严重贫血。
So, if they hemorrhage after birth, which happens sometimes, things quickly become life threatening.
因此，如果产后出血（这种情况有时会发生），很快就会危及生命。
They're using hysterectomies in Gaza because hysterectomies can be the fastest and safest way to save lives.
他们在加沙使用子宫切除术，因为子宫切除术是拯救生命最快、最安全的方法。
Of all the very real possibilities Aseel was now imagining, this was the one she feared the most.
在阿塞尔现在想象的所有非常真实的可能性中，这是她最害怕的一个。
She'd deliver her baby, start bleeding, and they'd take her uterus.
她生下孩子，开始流血，他们就会拿走她的子宫。
That night in the hospital, she begged a doctor for his attention.
那天晚上在医院里，她请求医生的照顾。
Is it safe here?
这里安全吗？
I'm a medical professional, she said.
“我是一名医学专家，”她说。
Please help me.
请帮我。
The doctor told her, if you can deliver somewhere else, you should.
医生告诉她，如果你可以在其他地方分娩，你就应该这样做。
Aseel walked out of the hospital to the car where Yousef was waiting and told him, I cannot have my baby here.
阿塞尔走出医院，走到尤瑟夫正在等的车旁，告诉他，我不能在这里生孩子。
I could see it in her eyes today.
今天我可以从她的眼睛里看到这一点。
I don't think I have the capacity to translate into English what she was saying, but it's related to medical stuff that he saw with other females there.
我不认为我有能力将她所说的话翻译成英语，但这与他在其他女性那里看到的医学内容有关。
So I was like, no, I'll find a solution.
所以我想，不，我会找到解决方案。
Tomorrow, I'll figure it out.
明天，我会弄清楚的。
Yousef began calling people he knew, asking about other options for delivering a baby in Rafah, maybe a private doctor who could deliver outside the hospital.
尤瑟夫开始给他认识的人打电话，询问在拉法分娩的其他选择，也许是可以在医院外分娩的私人医生。
But those conversations quickly became other conversations.
但这些谈话很快就变成了其他谈话。
His coworkers, friends, said, but Yousef, are you seeing this?
他的同事、朋友说，但是尤瑟夫，你看到这个了吗？
Did you see what Yoav Gallant just said, the Israeli Defense minister?
以色列国防部长约夫·加兰特刚才说的话你看到了吗？
He's saying Rafah is next.
他说拉法是下一个。
Gallant, Yoav Gallant, who said that when we finish from Khan Yunis, we will go into Rafah.
Gallant，Yoav Gallant，他说当我们完成 Khan Yunis 的任务后，我们将进入 Rafah。
And that's a huge concern.
这是一个很大的问题。
For example, from where I am staying, the Israeli tanks in Al-Aqsa University, it's less than 1 kilometer.
比如，距离我住的地方，阿克萨大学的以色列坦克，不到1公里。
I can hear the tanks moving clearly.
我可以清楚地听到坦克移动的声音。
I can hear the clashes clearly.
我能清楚地听到冲突声。
And I think if the Israelis decided to continue the ground operation in Rafah, it's going to take them three minutes to arrive me.
我认为，如果以色列人决定继续在拉法进行地面行动，他们将需要三分钟才能到达我身边。
When Yousef thinks of those three minutes, he's not just thinking of himself.
当尤瑟夫想到这三分钟时，他想到的不仅仅是他自己。
He's thinking of the 60 people he moved from other parts of Gaza to here.
他想到了他从加沙其他地区转移到这里的 60 人。
He's thinking how he promised this was the safest place to be.
他在想他是如何承诺这里是最安全的地方的。
Building that camp, hosting these families, and then if the Israelis decided to start the ground operation in Rafah, it's going to be like an ambush.
建造那个营地，接待这些家庭，然后如果以色列人决定在拉法开始地面行动，那将就像一场伏击。
It's going to be like, I create an ambush for these families, bringing families to live in that place, and the Israelis killing.
就像，我为这些家庭设下伏击，让家人住在那个地方，然后以色列人杀戮。
I don't know, you know.
我不知道，你知道。
It's going to be on you.
这将由你承担。
Yousef Hammash Yes, at least I will feel it on me.
优素福·哈马什 是的，至少我会感觉到它在我身上。
Also, their relatives, their father-in-laws, all of them I'm hosting them in the camp I build.
还有他们的亲戚，他们的岳父，我都在我建造的营地里接待他们。
So I'm also responsible, at least, to inform these families that it's not safe here.
所以我至少还有责任告诉这些家庭这里不安全。
I remember what happened in Khan Yunis also.
我还记得在汗尤尼斯发生的事情。
And they would start talking about Khan Yunis, and they destroyed the entire city.
他们开始谈论汗尤尼斯，然后他们摧毁了整个城市。
I know.
我知道。
I can't believe you're in this situation again.
我不敢相信你又遇到这种情况了。
This is exactly where you were when we talked--
这正是我们谈话时你所在的地方——
Exactly.
正是如此。
Chana Joffe-Walt --in early December.
Chana Joffe-Walt——十二月初。
[SIGHS] Now that's a long time.
[叹气]现在已经很长一段时间了。
That's a long time.
那是很长一段时间了。
I'll have to think about the options that I have, yeah, if we are going.
是的，如果我们要去的话，我必须考虑一下我有哪些选择。
And I was thinking about Deir al Balah.
我在想Deir al Balah。
Why Deir al Balah?
为什么选择代尔巴拉？
Why was that a place that you looked at?
为什么你会看那个地方？
This is the only areas that considered safe by the Israelis.
这是以色列人认为唯一安全的地区。
They said either Rafah or Deir al Balah.
他们说要么是拉法，要么是代尔巴拉。
But today I was looking for the statistics of Deir al Balah.
但今天我正在寻找代尔巴拉赫的统计数据。
On a daily basis, there is at least five targeted, five houses targeted in Deir al Balah.
每天，代尔巴拉赫至少有 5 起袭击目标，其中 5 栋房屋成为袭击目标。
So I have to think more twice about that.
所以我必须再三考虑。
You cannot make a decision because nothing is clear.
你无法做出决定，因为一切都不清楚。
Yeah.
是的。
And did you find a doctor for Aseel?
你为Aseel找到医生了吗？
Uh, yes.
呃，是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Wow, you found a doctor already?
Chana Joffe-Walt 哇，你已经找到医生了吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Is it incredibly expensive?
Chana Joffe-Walt 是不是很贵？
She found it.
她找到了。
We didn't agree yet, but I told him I'll pay whatever you want.
我们还没同意，但我告诉他我会支付你想要的任何费用。
I just want her to be safe and in an appropriate place and all of that.
我只希望她安全并在适当的地方等等。
So I don't care about financial things.
所以我不关心经济方面的事情。
February 3, the day before her due date, Yousef, the private doctor, and Aseel agreed on a new plan.
2 月 3 日，也就是预产期的前一天，私人医生 Yousef 和 Aseel 商定了一项新计划。
She would deliver at a clinic outside the hospital.
她将在医院外的诊所分娩。
The doctor promised they were equipped to deal with complications there without doing a hysterectomy.
医生承诺他们有能力处理那里的并发症，而无需进行子宫切除术。
Five days later, February 8, still no baby.
五天后，即2月8日，仍然没有孩子。
February 9, the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, ordered the military to develop a plan to evacuate Rafah, to clear the way for a ground assault on Rafah.
2月9日，以色列总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡命令军方制定撤离拉法的计划，为对拉法的地面进攻扫清道路。
That same day, I got a message from Yousef.
同一天，我收到了尤瑟夫的消息。
Aseel is currently in the hospital for the birth.
阿塞尔目前正在医院待产。
I called several hours later.
几个小时后我打电话来。
Yousef was outside the hospital, waiting.
尤瑟夫在医院外面等待。
Aseel was inside with his wife and their mom.
阿塞尔和他的妻子和妈妈在里面。
He told me the baby had arrived.
他告诉我孩子已经到了。
She was healthy.
她很健康。
But he wasn't sure about his sister.
但他对妹妹的情况并不确定。
But Aseel, she's still under watch inside.
但阿塞尔，她仍然在里面受到监视。
So, unfortunately, she was bleeding, so we are waiting.
所以，不幸的是，她流血了，所以我们正在等待。
She's bleeding?
她在流血吗？
Yousef Hammash She did a natural birth, but I think she had an issue, and she was bleeding.
优素福·哈马什 她是自然分娩，但我认为她有问题，而且正在流血。
The doctors, all the doctors at the hospital were running, trying to control it.
医生们，医院里所有的医生都在奔跑，试图控制它。
So it was-- I couldn't get inside because I will see through a small window that there are so many doctors around.
原来如此——我进不去，因为我会透过一扇小窗户看到周围有很多医生。
And it's like, what's going on there?
就像，那里发生了什么事？
And he told me that she's bleeding, and they're trying to control it.
他告诉我她正在流血，他们正在努力控制流血。
And then after that, he informed me that they control it, but they have to wait a bit.
之后，他告诉我他们控制住了，但他们必须稍等一下。
Ah.
啊。
Yeah, her husband is very young, so that's why I have to be there, even, to ask for everything because Aseel was like, I want Yousef here, right?
是的，她的丈夫很年轻，所以这就是为什么我必须在那里，甚至要求一切，因为阿塞尔说，我希望尤瑟夫在这里，对吧？
My mother and so many women are screaming around.
我的母亲和许多女人都在尖叫。
And I cannot keep hearing her screaming.
我不能一直听到她的尖叫声。
That's why I had to go out.
这就是为什么我必须出去。
I have to leave.
我必须离开。
Hi, Chana.
嗨，查娜。
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, Mabrouk.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你好，马布鲁克。
Hello.
你好。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Chana Joffe-Walt How are you doing?
[阿拉伯语] Chana Joffe-Walt 你好吗？
Thank you.
谢谢。
Chana Joffe-Walt A week after she gave birth, I reached Aseel in Yousef's office.
查娜·乔菲-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 在她生下孩子一周后，我联系到了尤瑟夫 (Yousef) 办公室的阿塞尔 (Aseel)。
She was in bed with her mom and her new baby.
她和妈妈以及刚出生的婴儿躺在床上。
She was incredibly weak.
她非常虚弱。
And she could not walk.
她无法行走。
Instead of the careful plan Aseel and Yousef made, she told me something very different happened.
她告诉我，发生了一些非常不同的事情，而不是阿塞尔和尤瑟夫制定的仔细计划。
Her water broke in the middle of the night.
她的羊水在半夜破了。
They couldn't reach the private doctor.
他们无法联系到私人医生。
And Yousef couldn't get to Aseel quickly enough to drive her.
而尤瑟夫无法足够快地到达阿塞尔来开车送她。
So a friend took her to exactly the place she didn't want to go-- the hospital.
于是朋友带她去了一个她不想去的地方——医院。
When she got there, she waited in the hallway, just as she feared, 12 hours in labor.
当她到达那里时，正如她担心的那样，她在走廊里等待了 12 个小时。
She was begging for a room, a bed, for someone to help her.
她乞求一个房间、一张床、一个人来帮助她。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter There was no room for me.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 没有地方容纳我。
There was no anesthetics, no nothing.
没有麻醉剂，什么也没有。
I couldn't stand.
我受不了了。
I couldn't sit.
我无法坐下。
I couldn't do anything.
我什么也做不了。
My sister spoke with the nurse there, and she told her I couldn't stand in line, and that I was about to give birth.
我姐姐和那里的护士交谈，她告诉她我不能排队，而且我马上要生了。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter No, no, there was no chairs at all.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 不，不，根本没有椅子。
There was only the doctor's chair.
那里只有医生的椅子。
And I took it from her.
我从她那里拿走了它。
Oh.
哦。
Aseel sat in the hallway on the stolen chair for more hours, more contractions.
阿塞尔在走廊上偷来的椅子上坐了更长时间，宫缩也更多。
She felt the baby's head, the need to push.
她感觉到婴儿的头，需要推。
Finally, they called her back, rushed her to a bed.
最后，他们把她叫了回来，把她赶到床上。
But Aseel looked at the bed and froze.
但阿塞尔看着床，愣住了。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter The bed sheet on it was the same one the woman before me gave birth on.
[阿拉伯语] 口译员 上面的床单和我之前的女人生孩子时用的床单是一样的。
It was covered in blood.
它浑身是血。
So I took it off and told them to get the cleaner to wipe the bed.
于是我把它脱下来并告诉他们让清洁工来擦床。
While you were in labor?
当你临产的时候？
Interpreter Yes, yes.
翻译 是的，是的。
I couldn't sit in the bed, even with my pain.
即使很痛，我也无法坐在床上。
I'm willing to endure the pain a bit, but in a clean place and deliver the baby in a clean, sanitized place.
我愿意忍受一点疼痛，但要在干净的地方，在干净、消毒的地方生下孩子。
In bed, Aseel immediately had to push.
在床上，阿塞尔必须立即用力。
She pushed, feeling utter panic, pushed and pushed without stopping, without breaks.
她感到极度恐慌，推啊推，不停地推，不停地推。
She had an internal hemorrhage.
她有内出血。
The doctor made an incision to make the opening bigger.
医生做了一个切口，使开口更大。
She bled more.
她流血更多了。
The whole day, Aseel had been directing the people around her for a chair, for a clean sheet.
一整天，阿塞尔都在指挥周围的人找一张椅子，找一张零失球。
But once the baby arrived, she lost control.
但孩子出生后，她就失去了控制。
The nurses took the baby.
护士们接走了婴儿。
Then Aseel hemorrhaged for three hours, while doctors tried to stop the bleeding.
随后阿塞尔出血了三个小时，医生试图止血。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Five doctors came in.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 有五位医生进来了。
I couldn't stay with them.
我不能和他们呆在一起。
I couldn't keep my eyes open.
我无法睁开眼睛。
After about an hour of stitching and 28 stitches-- there was no anesthesia or anything-- I was appealing to God, 28 stitches between internal and external.
经过大约一个小时的缝合和 28 针之后——没有麻醉或任何东西——我向上帝求助，内部和外部之间缝了 28 针。
I couldn't speak back to them or tell them I couldn't-- that I was dizzy.
我无法跟他们说话，也无法告诉他们我不能——我头晕了。
I couldn't speak to them at all.
我根本无法和他们说话。
I had surrendered to the pain.
我已经向痛苦投降了。
He told me that if it didn't work, they'll be forced to do a hysterectomy.
他告诉我，如果不起作用，他们将被迫进行子宫切除术。
I kept quiet and prayed that it wouldn't happen.
我保持沉默，祈祷这件事不要发生。
I wasn't present, but I felt the thread going in.
我不在场，但我感觉到了线索。
I felt the prick of the needle.
我感觉到了针的刺痛。
I was crying a lot and praying to God that it would be the last stitch.
我哭了很多次，向上帝祈祷这是最后一针。
Every time I prayed it would be the last stitch, they told me there was one more.
每次我祈祷这是最后一针，他们都告诉我还有一针。
You're almost there.
你快到了。
This is the last one.
这是最后一张。
I couldn't wait to leave the room.
我迫不及待地想离开房间。
I couldn't move.
我无法动弹。
And I was calling for my brother, saying, I can't do it, and for someone to get me out.
我打电话给我的兄弟，说我做不到，并希望有人能把我救出来。
Because he would try to control the bad things that happen to us.
因为他会试图控制发生在我们身上的坏事。
For me, it was like, you can help me in this matter, too.
对我来说，就像，你也可以在这件事上帮助我。
Come save me.
快来救我吧。
Eventually, the doctors finished the stitches and gave Aseel a blood transfusion.
最终，医生完成了缝线，并为阿塞尔输血。
An obstetrician practicing in Gaza told me Aseel was very lucky the hospital had blood that day.
一位在加沙执业的产科医生告诉我，阿塞尔很幸运，那天医院有血。
All the donated blood is from within Gaza, and most days, there's not enough.
所有捐献的血液都来自加沙境内，但大多数时候，血液都不够用。
Aseel lost so much blood, she couldn't see clearly.
阿塞尔失血过多，她已经看不清楚了。
Normally, after hemorrhaging that much, you'd stay in the hospital for a few days.
一般来说，失血过多后，你会在医院住几天。
It's hard to move.
很难移动。
You're weak, in pain.
你很虚弱，很痛苦。
There's danger of infection, fainting.
有感染、晕倒的危险。
She had the stitches.
她缝了针。
But Aseel was desperate to get out of there.
但阿塞尔迫切地想离开那里。
They told me not to leave because I couldn't get up.
他们告诉我不要离开，因为我起不来。
The stitches hurt a lot.
缝针很疼。
I told them I wanted to leave because the place is not clean and because the displaced go there, so you can't get rest.
我告诉他们我想离开，因为这个地方不干净，而且因为流离失所者去了那里，所以你无法休息。
Yousef came to the hospital entrance.
尤瑟夫来到了医院门口。
I couldn't get myself there, so I used a chair.
我无法到达那里，所以我使用了一把椅子。
They didn't have a wheelchair, so I used a normal chair for support.
他们没有轮椅，所以我用普通的椅子作为支撑。
And I walked.
我走了。
I took the elevator down to the car.
我乘电梯下到汽车旁。
You had to get yourself to the elevator with the help of a chair?
您必须借助椅子才能到达电梯吗？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Yes.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 有。
I used the chair to get to the elevator.
我用椅子去电梯。
And when I got down, there's a 10-meter-long hallway or something like that.
当我下来的时候，有一个10米长的走廊什么的。
Oh, my God.
我的天啊。
Interpreter And so I used the chair for support until I got to the car.
所以我用椅子作为支撑，直到我上了车。
Yousef then carried me into the car.
然后尤瑟夫把我抱进车里。
He carried me and put me inside the car.
他抱起我，把我放进车里。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I didn't even pay attention to the baby's features until I got a blood transfusion and started to feel better.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我什至没有注意到婴儿的特征，直到我接受输血并开始感觉好一些。
What did she look like when you were able to see her?
当你见到她时，她是什么样子？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter When I first saw her, I said she looked a lot like Yousef and his little son.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 当我第一次见到她时，我说她看起来很像优素福和他的小儿子。
Yeah.
是的。
Yousef Hammash Yeah, it was one of the longest days of my life.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，这是我一生中最长的日子之一。
That picture is so beautiful of you with the baby.
你和宝宝的那张照片真漂亮。
Yeah.
是的。
When I take it, I was happy and excited.
当我接过它时，我感到高兴和兴奋。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
You look much skinnier.
你看起来瘦了很多。
I hope it's OK to say that.
我希望这样说是可以的。
Yeah, yeah, I lost so much weight, you know.
是啊，是啊，我瘦了很多，你知道的。
Canned food.
罐头食品。
Yousef said, holding the baby, he felt immense relief.
尤瑟夫说，抱着孩子，他感到无比轻松。
Yeah, it reduced all that pressure that I was having for a couple of months about that moment.
是的，它减轻了我在那一刻几个月以来所承受的所有压力。
And finally, I reach it.
最后，我达到了目标。
It was a glimmer of hope.
这是一线希望。
And I was waiting to have that feeling, all of that period, all that pressure in my head every day about Aseel's pregnancy, when she's going to do the birth, where, blah, blah, blah, all of that is over.
我一直在等待那种感觉，在那段时间里，每天我脑子里都充满了关于阿塞尔怀孕的压力，当她即将分娩时，巴拉，巴拉，巴拉，所有这一切都结束了。
He got Aseel and the baby home from the hospital, or at least, to the office that is now home, where he'd created a bed for them to share with his mom.
他把阿塞尔和孩子从医院带回家，或者至少回到现在的家，他在那里为他们准备了一张床，与他的妈妈共用。
Everyone went to sleep.
大家都去睡觉了。
That night, at 1:00 in the morning, Yousef woke up to bombing.
那天晚上，凌晨 1:00，尤瑟夫被轰炸声吵醒。
It was louder and brighter than anything he'd experienced in Rafah before.
这比他之前在拉法经历过的任何事情都更响亮、更明亮。
It felt like it was right nearby, inside Rafah.
感觉就在附近，就在拉法内部。
The house was shaking, huge bombardment.
房子在摇晃，巨大的轰击声。
There's children screaming.
有孩子在尖叫。
And I thought that the Israelis, they start the operation, and I will find the tanks in front of my place.
我以为以色列人开始行动，我会在我家前面找到坦克。
And that's it.
就是这样。
I was going to-- I was about to put on my underwear because this is the way they take us men, wearing only underwear.
我正要——我正要穿上内裤，因为这就是他们对待我们男人的方式，只穿内裤。
Wait, why were you going to put on your underwear?
等等，你为什么要穿内衣？
No, so, actually, I was joking, but usually, the Israelis, when they collect men, whenever they go on the ground and they collect men above 16 years old, wearing only underwear.
不，所以，实际上，我是在开玩笑，但通常，以色列人，当他们收集男性时，每当他们到地面时，他们都会收集16岁以上、只穿内衣的男性。
You mean they make them take off their clothes?
你是说他们让他们脱掉衣服？
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Oh, that's a dark thought to have in the middle of the night.
Chana Joffe-Walt 哦，半夜里有这样的想法真是太黑暗了。
Actually, I was joking.
其实我是开玩笑的。
I was telling Manal, my wife, I need to prepare the underwear.
我告诉我的妻子玛纳尔，我需要准备内衣。
It should be warm.
应该是温暖的。
This is part of our life experience, so sorry.
这是我们生活经历的一部分，很抱歉。
Yeah, it's kind of a joke.
是的，这有点像个笑话。
I know it's a dark humor, but that's me.
我知道这是黑色幽默，但这就是我。
What did your wife say?
你妻子说什么？
Yousef Hammash It wasn't actually the right moment to make jokes.
尤瑟夫·哈马什：实际上这不是开玩笑的好时机。
I don't usually find the right timing for to make jokes.
我通常找不到合适的时机开玩笑。
[LAUGHS] Manal was not appreciating your joke at that moment?
[笑] 玛纳尔当时不喜欢你的笑话？
No. No. Yeah, we had to collect the kids between us and trying to warm them and to calm them.
不，不，是的，我们必须把孩子们聚集在一起，努力温暖他们，让他们平静下来。
And so we tried to get them back to sleep, but-- because nothing we can do more than that.
所以我们试图让他们重新入睡，但是——因为我们无能为力。
In the morning, Yousef was finally able to get online and figure out what just happened the night before.
早上，尤瑟夫终于能够上网并弄清楚前一天晚上发生了什么。
That night, Israel rescued two Israeli hostages from Rafah, two older men who'd been held captive for months since October 7.
当晚，以色列从拉法手中解救了两名以色列人质，这两名年长男子自 10 月 7 日以来已被关押数月。
And Israel killed, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, at least 94 Palestinians.
据加沙卫生部称，以色列杀害了至少 94 名巴勒斯坦人。
Amnesty International says half the people killed in Rafah that night were children, including a two-week-old baby girl.
国际特赦组织表示，当晚在拉法被杀的人中有一半是儿童，其中包括一名两周大的女婴。
That was Aseel's first night out of the hospital, in bed with her mom next to her, praying through six hours of bombing and the baby crying.
那是阿塞尔出院的第一个晚上，她和妈妈一起躺在床上，在六个小时的轰炸和婴儿的哭泣中祈祷。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I couldn't move or anything.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我无法移动或发生任何事情。
I was scared.
我很害怕。
I waited for Yousef to come down in the morning and asked him if there's going to be a ground invasion in Rafah because I couldn't walk.
早上我等尤瑟夫下来，问他拉法是否会遭到地面入侵，因为我无法行走。
I couldn't carry the baby and stand.
我无法抱着孩子并站立。
Yeah.
是的。
What did he say?
他说什么？
Aseel [SPEAKING ARABIC]
Aseel [阿拉伯语]
He said, don't worry.
他说，别担心。
That won't happen.
那不会发生。
I told him all I was worried about happened.
我告诉他我担心的一切都发生了。
Waiting in line in the hospital happened.
发生了在医院排队等候的情况。
The difficult labor happened.
艰难的分娩发生了。
And now they are entering here?
而现在他们却要进入这里？
No, at least this one shouldn't happen.
不，至少这件事不应该发生。
Are you starting to doubt his reassurances when he says, don't worry?
当他说“别担心”时，您是否开始怀疑他的保证？
No, for me, what he says is what happens.
不，对我来说，他所说的就是发生的。
I believe him.
我相信他。
Right now, there are dozens of people waiting to see what Yousef says, what he's lining up for them next.
现在，有数十人等着看尤瑟夫会说什么，以及他接下来会为他们安排什么。
He's launched into overdrive, calling friends, colleagues, carefully parsing official statements on a possible Rafah invasion, and looking for a place they could flee to, a building that's still standing, a piece of land he can rent and build tents-- exactly what he was doing when I first called him back in early December.
他开始超速运转，打电话给朋友、同事，仔细分析有关拉法可能入侵的官方声明，寻找他们可以逃往的地方，一栋仍然矗立的建筑物，一块他可以租用和建造帐篷的土地——这正是我十二月初第一次给他回电话时他正在做的事情。
Only now, he's exhausted.
只是现在，他已经筋疲力尽了。
He's skinnier.
他更瘦了。
His sister just had a baby and can't walk.
他的妹妹刚生完孩子，还不能走路。
Yousef has been quite ill several times.
尤瑟夫已经病得很重好几次了。
And 30,000 Palestinians have been killed since the war started.
自战争爆发以来，已有 30,000 名巴勒斯坦人被杀害。
And it's not over.
事情还没有结束。
Right now, for the first time since Yousef began moving his family on October 8 to keep them safe, Yousef is not finding options.
自 10 月 8 日优素福开始搬家以保证他们的安全以来，优素福第一次没有找到选择。
This time, there really may not be anywhere to go.
这一次，可能真的无处可去了。
Actually, to be honest, I don't want to think about that because I know there is no solution.
其实说实话，我不想去想这个问题，因为我知道没有解决办法。
And it's going to be just a headache to go through details, what I will do.
详细了解我将做什么，这将是一件令人头疼的事情。
What-- Aseel, what about Habil, what about Heba, what about Salsabeel, what about my wife and the children, my mother.
什么——Aseel，Habil 怎么样，Heba 怎么样，Salsabeel 怎么样，我的妻子和孩子们，我的母亲怎么样。
And it's responsibility above responsibility.
这是责任之上的责任。
And unfortunately, this time, I'm completely useless because I ran out of options.
不幸的是，这一次我完全没用了，因为我别无选择。
And when I think about it deeply, there is no solution.
而当我深入思考时，却发现没有任何解决办法。
There is no option ahead of me.
我面前没有选择。
So what am I going to do?
那我该怎么办呢？
I have never heard you talk like that, Yousef.
我从来没有听过你这样说话，尤瑟夫。
I've never heard you say that.
我从来没听你这么说过。
You're always the guy that's like, yeah, I'll figure it out.
你总是那种会说“是的，我会解决的”的人。
I'll call so-and-so tomorrow.
明天我会给某某打电话。
Or no, we don't have it right now, but I'll figure it out.
或者不，我们现在没有，但我会弄清楚的。
I don't have enough resources to manage this now.
我现在没有足够的资源来管理这个问题。
It's chaotic situation.
局势一片混乱。
And I don't think I'm mentally stable to take a decision now.
我认为我现在的精神状况还不足以做出决定。
I'm trying to avoid thinking about it because I'm not prepared because I don't have solutions.
我试图避免去想它，因为我还没有准备好，因为我没有解决方案。
I don't have options ahead of me.
我面前没有选择。
When I have options, I'll start to think deeply about it.
当我有选择的时候，我会开始深入思考。
But up to now, I'm completely useless.
但到现在为止，我完全没用。
I'm calling my friends who are, ya'ani, scattered everywhere in Gaza.
我正在给分散在加沙各处的朋友们打电话。
And they just keep searching, but I cannot find.
他们一直在寻找，但我找不到。
My friend called me several times, actually.
事实上，我的朋友给我打了好几次电话。
So I need to talk to him.
所以我需要和他谈谈。
Maybe I can call you back after?
也许我可以稍后给你回电话？
Sure, sure.
当然，当然。
Yousef Hammash Yeah, OK, just I will try to get some news from him.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，好的，只是我会尝试从他那里得到一些消息。
OK.
好的。
Yousef Hammash OK.
优素福·哈马什 好的。
Thank you, Chana.
谢谢你，查娜。
Thank you.
谢谢。
OK.
好的。
Bye.
再见。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Yousef Hammash Bye, bye, bye.
优素福·哈马什 再见，再见，再见。
Chana Joffe-Walt is one of the producers of our show.
查纳·乔夫·沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 是我们节目的制片人之一。
Well, our program was produced and edited today by Nancy Updike.
嗯，我们的节目今天由南希·厄普代克制作和编辑。
The people who put together today's show include Jane Ackerman, Jendayi Bonds, Sean Cole, Michael Comite, Katherin Rae Mondo, Saifyah Riddle, Ryan Rumery, Laura Starcheski, Frances Swanson, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Jane Ackerman、Jendayi Bonds、Sean Cole、Michael Comite、Katherin Rae Mondo、Saifyah Riddle、Ryan Rumery、Laura Starcheski、Frances Swanson、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Julie Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman, and our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的总编辑是 Sarah Abdurrahman，我们的高级编辑是 David Kestenbaum。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Barry.
我们的执行编辑是埃马努埃莱·巴里。
Arabic interpreters and translators and research help from Emna Zghal, Nabil Shawkat, and Hany Hawasly.
Emna Zghal、Nabil Shawkat 和 Hany Hawasly 提供阿拉伯语口译员和笔译员以及研究帮助。
Aseel's English translation was read for us by Tara Abboud.
塔拉·阿布德 (Tara Abboud) 为我们朗读了阿塞尔 (Aseel) 的英文译本。
Casting help from Sabrina Hyman.
萨布丽娜·海曼 (Sabrina Hyman) 为选角提供帮助。
Special thanks to Shaina Low, Anas Baba, Brian Castner, Dror Sadot, Mark Garlasco, Dr. Debbie Harrington, Dr. Tanya haj-Hassan, and Anja Bezold.
特别感谢 Shaina Low、Anas Baba、Brian Castner、Dror Sadot、Mark Garlasco、Debbie Harrington 博士、Tanya haj-Hassan 博士和 Anja Bezold。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 800 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地观看我们的 800 多集档案。
Also, there's videos.
另外，还有视频。
There's lists of favorite shows to help you find something to listen to when you want to listen to it.
有最喜欢的节目列表，可帮助您在想听时找到要听的节目。
Again, thisamericanlife.org.
再说一次，thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's confounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的混杂者 Torey Malatia 先生。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。