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Act One: Act One Yousef Hammash Hello.
第一幕： 第一幕 Yousef Hammash 你好。
Hi.
你好。
This is Yousef Hammash?
这是优素福·哈马什？
Yousef Hammash Yes, it is, loud and clear.
优素福·哈马什 是的，确实如此，响亮而清晰。
Good.
好的。
[LAUGHS] Is this still a OK time for you to talk?
[笑]现在还适合你说话吗？
Yeah, but it's a bit crazy outside, a lot of crowds.
是的，但是外面有点疯狂，人很多。
There's a lot of traffic, especially from the children.
人流量很大，尤其是孩子们。
Let me find a quiet place.
让我找个安静的地方。
Close the door.
关门。
Yes.
是的。
Earlier this month, one of our producers, Chana Joffe-Walt, made this call to Yousef Hammash in Gaza.
本月早些时候，我们的制作人之一查纳·乔菲-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 给加沙的优素福·哈马什 (Yousef Hammash) 打了电话。
He works for a humanitarian organization, the Norwegian Refugee Council, the NRC.
他为人道主义组织挪威难民理事会 (NRC) 工作。
Yousef's in his early 30s, has got two kids, big extended family.
尤瑟夫三十出头，有两个孩子，是一个大家庭。
Chana talked to him a few times over the course of one week, really knowing very little about him or his situation at the beginning.
查纳在一周内与他交谈了几次，一开始对他或他的情况知之甚少。
And as you'll hear, more and more unfolds and gets revealed.
正如您将听到的，越来越多的事情正在展开并被揭示。
And it all feels so immediate and particular to these few weeks right now, in the war in Gaza, that we wanted to bring it to you now.
在加沙战争的这几周里，这一切都感觉如此直接和特别，所以我们现在想把它带给你们。
Like, it feels like it's about right now.
就像，感觉就像是现在。
We have other stories, I should say, about this war in the works, including from inside Israel, so please stay tuned for those.
我应该说，我们还有其他关于这场战争的故事，包括来自以色列内部的故事，所以请继续关注这些故事。
But for today, with Yousef, Chana would talk to him at night, his time.
但今天，查纳会和尤瑟夫一起在晚上和他说话，这是他的时间。
His family was living in the NRC office, in Rafah.
他的家人住在拉法的 NRC 办公室。
So he was in the unusual situation in Gaza where he often did have internet access with solar panels providing power.
因此，他在加沙的处境很不寻常，他经常通过太阳能电池板提供电力来上网。
The first day Chana talked to him, he had just relocated with his wife and kids to Rafah, where the office was.
查纳与他交谈的第一天，他刚刚与妻子和孩子搬到办公室所在的拉法。
It's along the border with Egypt.
它位于埃及边境。
His four sisters and their families were about eight miles away in a town called Khan Yunis.
他的四个姐妹和她们的家人住在大约八英里外一个叫汗尤尼斯的小镇。
So here are those conversations.
以下是这些对话。
So talk to me about what did you do today.
那么请跟我谈谈你今天做了什么。
Today, I had to find a place for my extended family, which hamdullah, I found it today.
今天，我必须为我的大家庭找到一个地方，哈姆杜拉，我今天找到了。
I found a place, and I built a tent-- two tents, actually-- because I couldn't find a house to rent or anything.
我找到了一个地方，并搭建了一个帐篷——实际上是两个帐篷——因为我找不到房子出租或其他任何东西。
So tomorrow, I will move the rest of my family here to Rafah from Khan Yunis to these two tents.
所以明天，我会把我的家人从汗尤尼斯搬到拉法的这两顶帐篷。
And today, it takes me a while, building these tents.
今天，我花了一些时间来搭建这些帐篷。
Then I have to go to the market buying whatever I can find.
然后我必须去市场买我能找到的任何东西。
What did you find?
你发现了什么？
Yousef Hammash Today, I found-- ah, that's a good question.
优素福·哈马什今天，我发现——啊，这是个好问题。
Trying to remember.
努力回忆。
So some vegetables.
所以一些蔬菜。
Actually, it was tomato and pepper.
事实上，这是番茄和胡椒。
And I couldn't find potato, because there is no potato in all over Gaza, and milk for the children.
我找不到土豆，因为整个加沙都没有土豆，也没有给孩子们喝的牛奶。
I'm responsible for my children, my sisters, my mother because I'm the only son here in Gaza.
我对我的孩子、姐妹和母亲负责，因为我是加沙唯一的儿子。
I'm the only man for a big family.
我是一个大家庭里唯一的男人。
So I have a quite big responsibility towards them, so.
所以我对他们负有很大的责任，所以。
Have you had decisions that you had to make for everybody that you couldn't figure out what the right choice was?
您是否曾经做出过必须为每个人做出的决定，但您却无法弄清楚什么是正确的选择？
Yes.
是的。
Yeah, that decision that I'm taking today.
是的，我今天做出的决定。
I decided to build a tent while they are in an apartment in Khan Yunis, and everything is available for them.
我决定在他们住在汗尤尼斯的公寓里时搭建一个帐篷，一切都为他们准备好了。
I'm taking them in this harsh weather in an empty land under a tent.
在如此恶劣的天气里，我带着他们在帐篷下的空地上。
I don't know if it's going to be right or wrong.
我不知道这会是对还是错。
I had to make this decision several times, unfortunately.
不幸的是，我不得不多次做出这个决定。
Now, it became our routine is like now I have to move again, so.
现在，这成了我们的惯例，就像现在我必须再次搬家一样，所以。
And it's not easy decision.
这不是一个容易做出的决定。
And I was trying to evaluate the situation on a daily basis.
我每天都在尝试评估情况。
Is there anybody in the family that is hesitant?
家里有人犹豫吗？
Do you have to--
你必须——
Yes, we have had-- I had.
是的，我们有过——我有过。
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
Yeah, yeah, eh, they are part of the family.
是啊，是啊，呃，他们是家庭的一员。
Yeah, even a few minutes ago, I was having this debate with my sister that was like, OK, I'm pregnant, because she's pregnant.
是的，就在几分钟前，我还在和我姐姐争论，好吧，我怀孕了，因为她怀孕了。
And she don't want to do the delivery in a tent.
而且她不想在帐篷里送货。
And she said, OK, they are still far, like 1 kilometer away, the tanks.
她说，好吧，坦克还很远，大约一公里远。
And she said that we cannot suffer more.
她说我们不能再受更多的痛苦了。
At least we have here bathroom.
至少我们这里有浴室。
The main debate was a bathroom, about having your privacy to use a bathroom.
主要争论是关于浴室，关于使用浴室的隐私。
Because when you are fleeing in a tent, there is no bathrooms or that privacy.
因为当你在帐篷里逃亡时，没有浴室，也没有隐私。
Well, I'm trying-- tomorrow, I'll find a way to build a bathroom for them.
好吧，我正在努力——明天，我会想办法为他们建造一间浴室。
This week that I'm talking to Yousef, it isn't the first time he's moved and convinced his sisters to move, too.
这周我和尤瑟夫谈话，这不是他第一次搬家，也不是第一次说服他的姐妹们搬家。
They started the war in Jabalia, in the northern part of Gaza on October 7, when Hamas attacked southern Israel and killed around 1,200 people, the majority civilians in their homes, at work, enjoying a music festival, took about 240 people hostage.
10 月 7 日，他们在加沙北部的贾巴利亚发动了战争，当时哈马斯袭击了以色列南部，杀死了约 1,200 人，其中大多数是平民，他们在家中工作、享受音乐节，并劫持了约 240 人作为人质。
Yousef immediately moved his family from Jabalia to his parents' house in a nearby city, Beit Lahiya.
优素福立即将家人从贾巴利亚搬到附近城市拜特拉希亚的父母家。
They moved the very next day, October 8.
第二天，即 10 月 8 日，他们就搬家了。
It seemed safer there.
那里似乎更安全。
On October 9, Israeli airstrikes hit Jabalia, and then again on October 12, 19, 22, and 31, November 1, 2, 4, and on.
10月9日，以色列空袭贾巴利亚，随后又于10月12日、19日、22日、31日、11月1日、2日、4日等再次空袭。
Jabalia now has massive craters several yards deep.
贾巴利亚现在有数米深的巨大陨石坑。
Yousef, his family, and his sisters had all fled to various relatives and friends in the north, until Israel told people in the north to move south.
优素福、他的家人和姐妹都逃到了北方的各个亲戚和朋友那里，直到以色列告诉北方的人们向南迁移。
They had cousins in Khan Yunis, in the south of Gaza.
他们在加沙南部的汗尤尼斯有表兄弟。
So he and his family drove there and convinced his sisters to come, too.
于是他和家人开车去那里，并说服他的姐妹们也来。
He says on the way, the cars in front of them and behind them were bombed.
他说，在路上，他们前后的汽车都被炸了。
In Khan Yunis, they stayed with relatives, Yousef and his wife and his mom and his kids and his sisters and their families.
在汗尤尼斯，他们和亲戚住在一起，尤瑟夫和他的妻子、他的妈妈、他的孩子、他的姐妹和他们的家人。
Everyone stayed with cousins and relatives in different apartments across the city, until Yousef read a leaflet that fell from the sky.
每个人都与表兄弟姐妹和亲戚住在城市各处的不同公寓里，直到尤瑟夫读到了一张从天而降的传单。
It said, you must evacuate immediately and go to shelters in the city of Rafah.
上面说，你必须立即撤离并前往拉法市的避难所。
The city of Khan Yunis is a dangerous combat zone.
汗尤尼斯市是一个危险的战区。
Forewarned is forearmed.
凡事有预则守。
It was signed the Israeli Defense Forces.
它是由以色列国防军签署的。
That's when he fled to Rafah with his wife and his kids.
就在那时，他与妻子和孩子逃往拉法。
By that point, over 15,000 people in Gaza had been killed, the majority civilians.
至此，加沙已有 15,000 多人被杀，其中大多数是平民。
The place Yousef works, the NRC, had rented an office in Rafah, in the area the Israelis were now saying was a safe zone.
优素福工作的地方 NRC 在拉法租用了一间办公室，以色列人现在称该地区为安全区。
Yousef moved his immediate family into the office, where he was when I called him, where he is now, in Rafah.
尤瑟夫把他的直系亲属搬进了办公室，我给他打电话时他就在那里，现在他也在拉法。
But his sisters and their families aren't so sure they want to follow this time.
但他的姐妹们和她们的家人不太确定这次是否愿意跟随。
So Yousef, from the moment he got to Rafah, has been pushing his sisters in Khan Yunis to come.
因此，优素福从到达拉法的那一刻起，就一直在催促他在汗尤尼斯的姐妹们前来。
He's been at that for almost a week.
他已经这样做了快一个星期了。
To be honest, each one of them have its own personality, and I have to persuade her the way I know, each one of them.
说实话，他们每个人都有自己的个性，我必须按照我所知道的方式去说服他们每个人。
One of them, she's worried about her father-in-law and mother-in-law.
其中之一，她担心她的公公和婆婆。
And I was like, OK, they are not safe, and they are on the street.
我当时想，好吧，他们不安全，而且他们在街上。
I'll build them a tent.
我会给他们搭个帐篷。
But I want to make sure that you are with me here.
但我想确保你和我在一起。
I'll bring them also.
我也会带他们来。
The other one, I had to do the same option with her.
另一方面，我不得不对她做同样的选择。
OK, I'll bring your father-in-law and their entire family.
好的，我带你岳父和他们全家来。
I'll take care of them, but I want you to come here.
我会照顾他们，但我希望你来这里。
I keep doing-- yeah, the woman pregnant, she's the youngest, and she's the most stubborn one.
我一直在做——是的，那个怀孕的女人，她是最小的，也是最顽固的。
Yeah, she's the youngest.
是的，她是最小的。
When we came to the south, there was no military operation on the ground.
当我们来到南方时，地面上还没有任何军事行动。
She refused, and her father-in-law and mother-in-law refused.
她不肯，公公婆婆也不肯。
I had a fight with them.
我和他们吵架了。
And I told them, listen, I want my sister with me.
我告诉他们，听着，我希望我妹妹和我在一起。
And we had a bit of argue because they didn't expect what's coming.
我们发生了一些争论，因为他们没有预料到会发生什么。
Yeah, hadn't thought about how, each time, you have to mentally convince yourself that the place that you're in, which is feeling OK at that moment, might not feel OK very soon.
是的，没有想过如何，每次，你都必须在精神上说服自己，你当时感觉还不错的地方，可能很快就会感觉不好。
Yeah, and who would ever imagine that the Israeli tanks will be in the center of Jabalia camp?
是的，谁能想到以色列坦克会出现在贾巴利亚营地的中心呢？
Or who would ever imagine that they would be in Shifa Hospital?
或者说谁能想到自己会在市发医院呢？
Yeah, these things, we never imagined that it would be a real thing that we are seeing by our own eyes.
是啊，这些东西，我们从来没有想到会是我们亲眼所见的真实的东西。
We never thought about that.
我们从来没有考虑过这一点。
Yousef was lobbying his sisters to move as hard as he could, but honestly, he himself wasn't always totally sure about bringing them to Rafah.
尤瑟夫正在游说他的姐妹们尽其所能地搬家，但说实话，他自己并不总是完全确定是否要把她们带到拉法。
The evacuation order, it wasn't for all of Khan Yunis.
疏散令并不适用于汗尤尼斯的所有人。
There was no available housing in Rafah, not that he could find.
拉法没有可用的住房，他也找不到。
In Khan Yunis, they had mattresses, a bathroom.
在汗尤尼斯，他们有床垫和浴室。
And his sisters had moved cities twice already with kids, in-laws.
他的姐妹们已经带着孩子和姻亲搬过两次城市。
So maybe they were fine.
所以也许他们都很好。
But then, Yousef says, he heard the Israeli military was now in a part of Khan Yunis he'd been staying in with his family, just a few days before.
但随后，尤瑟夫说，他听说以色列军队现在已经驻扎在汗尤尼斯的一部分，而几天前他还和家人住在那里。
So maybe they weren't fine.
所以也许他们过得并不好。
Yousef kept searching for new information.
尤瑟夫不断寻找新信息。
He'd ask everyone he met, look everywhere online, except a few places he avoided.
他会询问他遇到的每一个人，在网上到处寻找，除了他避开的几个地方。
I don't open my Facebook, for example, or Instagram because all my friends from Gaza are there because I don't want to know who's dead.
例如，我不会打开 Facebook 或 Instagram，因为我所有来自加沙的朋友都在那里，因为我不想知道谁死了。
I don't want to know.
我不想知道。
And I don't have the time to respect these people who I lose.
我没有时间去尊重那些我失去的人。
By coincidence, a few days ago, I found out that my uncle is dead.
很巧的是，前几天，我得知叔叔去世了。
I didn't know about that before.
我以前不知道这一点。
And a friend of mine told me that.
我的一个朋友告诉我的。
Oh, hey, you know, and, yeah.
哦，嘿，你知道，而且，是的。
We were just having a chat, and I mentioned him.
我们刚刚聊天，我就提到了他。
And he didn't know that he's my uncle.
而且他不知道他是我叔叔。
And I was talking that he's my uncle.
我说他是我叔叔。
And he's like, I'm sorry for your loss.
他说，我对你的损失感到抱歉。
I was like, what?
我当时想，什么？
Aw.
噢。
Yousef Hammash I didn't know.
优素福·哈马什 我不知道。
And it was like two weeks ago.
那就像两周前一样。
He's dead.
他死了。
He's killed two weeks ago in Jabalia while I didn't know.
两周前他在贾巴利亚被杀，而我并不知道。
How did that come up in that conversation?
那次谈话中是怎么出现这个问题的？
We were mentioning where his parents living in Jabalia.
我们提到他的父母住在贾巴利亚。
And I was like, OK, my relatives living there.
我当时想，好吧，我的亲戚住在那里。
They are from Ajouri family.
他们来自阿朱里家族。
And he was like, yeah, I know them.
他说，是的，我认识他们。
I was like, yeah, he's my uncle.
我当时想，是的，他是我叔叔。
He's like, yeah, sorry for your loss.
他说，是的，对你的损失感到抱歉。
I was like, no, no, no, he's alive.
我当时想，不，不，不，他还活着。
No, he was killed in an airstrike.
不，他在空袭中丧生。
I know, I know.
我知道，我知道。
And I feel a bit stupid.
而且我觉得有点傻。
And it was a really weird feeling that I didn't know that my uncle is dead since two weeks.
两周以来我都不知道我叔叔已经死了，这种感觉真的很奇怪。
He was killed.
他被杀了。
Do you-- Yousef Hammash The other thing-- OK, just to continue on this story.
你——尤瑟夫·哈马什（Yousef Hammash）还有其他事情吗——好吧，继续讲这个故事。
Please.
请。
Yousef Hammash Yesterday, my brother who lives in Sweden, my cousin who is the son of my uncle I mentioned, he was asking my brother to check if I have information about his father.
尤瑟夫·哈马什（Yousef Hammash）昨天，我住在瑞典的兄弟，我的表弟，我提到的叔叔的儿子，他要求我兄弟检查我是否有关于他父亲的信息。
And I don't want to be that-- also to deliver the news for him that his father was killed.
我不想那样——也不想为他传达他父亲被杀的消息。
Have you told him?
你告诉他了吗？
Yousef Hammash No, I told him there is no connection between the south and the north, and it's impossible to reach anyone there, which is true, because there is no phone call.
优素福·哈马什：不，我告诉他南方和北方之间没有联系，不可能联系到那里的任何人，这是真的，因为没有电话。
There is nothing that-- you cannot reach anyone in the north.
没有什么是你无法接触到北方任何人的。
And I was like, I will try to check what's the situation, but I couldn't-- I didn't want to be the one who's giving the news.
我当时想，我会尝试检查情况，但我不能——我不想成为发布这一消息的人。
Oh, Yousef, so you just couldn't bring yourself to tell him what you had heard.
哦，尤瑟夫，所以你无法让自己告诉他你所听到的。
Yes.
是的。
Even my mother, who's with me now, doesn't know.
就连现在和我在一起的妈妈也不知道。
Definitely not.
绝对不是。
And I'm saying that here because I'm sure that-- they don't understand English, first of all, and second thing, they won't listen.
我在这里这么说是因为我确信——首先他们听不懂英语，其次，他们不会听。
Sorry for that, but they're in Gaza.
抱歉，但他们在加沙。
They won't listen to this podcast to know from this podcast that-- yeah.
他们不会听这个播客来从这个播客中知道——是的。
And another time that my brother-in-law, his sister was killed with her seven children.
还有一次，我的姐夫，他的妹妹和她的七个孩子一起被杀。
Also, they called me because they had his family reached out to me because they cannot reach him and asked me to tell him that his sister was killed with her entire family.
此外，他们打电话给我，因为他们让他的家人联系我，因为他们无法联系到他，并要求我告诉他，他的妹妹和她的全家都被杀了。
And that was painful.
那很痛苦。
It wasn't easy.
这并不容易。
I don't want to be in that position again.
我不想再处于那样的境地了。
I always don't-- ya'ani, it's one of the first times that I really speak about these things, and it seems really weird for me that I always in front of everyone around me, I'm the man who's managing everything and supporting anyone in need.
我总是不--ya'ani，这是我第一次真正谈论这些事情，对我来说这真的很奇怪，我总是在周围的每个人面前，我是一个管理一切并支持任何有需要的人的人。
And if you need anything, the best one to call is Yousef, you know.
如果您需要任何帮助，最好的电话是 Yousef，您知道。
Now I'm helpless, useless.
现在我很无助，很无用。
And I cannot do anything.
而我却无能为力。
I cannot even manage my own need.
我什至无法满足自己的需要。
So if your uncle comes up, your mom mentions him or your wife says, oh, I wonder how he's doing, you will not say anything.
所以如果你叔叔出现，你妈妈提到他，或者你妻子说，哦，我想知道他怎么样，你不会说什么。
It happens, and I didn't say anything.
事情发生了，我什么也没说。
Yes, it happened yesterday, and I was like, no, I am not going to say anything.
是的，这件事发生在昨天，我当时想，不，我不会说什么。
My brain was like circling around.
我的脑子就像在转圈。
And I was like, OK, you have to tell her.
我当时想，好吧，你必须告诉她。
She deserved to know that her brother is dead.
她应该知道她哥哥已经死了。
And I was like, no. It's her right to know, and she will blame me a lot when she knows that I was knowing without telling her.
我当时想，不。她有知情权，当她知道我不告诉她而知道的时候，她会责怪我。
I have to shut down my brain.
我必须关闭我的大脑。
It's like, no, you turn off.
就像，不，你关掉。
It's not your role now.
现在这不是你的角色了。
Not your what?
不是你的什么？
Yousef Hammash It's not your role.
尤瑟夫·哈马什：这不是你的角色。
Not your role.
不是你的角色。
Yousef Hammash You don't need to be functioning now.
Yousef Hammash：您现在不需要正常工作。
Yeah, I have to be honest.
是的，我必须诚实。
I have plenty of to-do list.
我有很多待办事项清单。
On my list is many things.
我的清单上有很多东西。
My priority now, it's the time to secure my family and manage their needs more than anything else.
我现在的首要任务是保护我的家人并满足他们的需求，这比其他任何事情都重要。
For me, looking for their safety, it's not about them only.
对我来说，寻求他们的安全不仅仅关乎他们。
It's more about me.
这更多是关于我的。
I cannot imagine, for a moment, losing one of them, one of my sisters.
我暂时无法想象失去她们中的一个，我的一个姐妹。
It has to be me before them.
在他们之前必须是我。
I see.
我懂了。
Yousef Hammash 'Cause I don't have the strength even to think about losing one of them.
优素福·哈马什 因为我什至没有力气去考虑失去他们中的一个。
That's why I'm doing it.
这就是我这样做的原因。
Not because of you, it's because of me.
不是因为你，而是因为我。
I don't have that.
我没有那个。
I am weak to have the strength to handle losing any one of them.
我很弱，没有力量去承受失去他们中的任何一个。
I don't have that strength.
我没有那个实力。
They came to Khan Yunis with me for me.
他们为了我和我一起来到汗尤尼斯。
No one agreed.
没有人同意。
It was really hard.
真的很难。
And I had to fight with my mother.
我还得和妈妈吵架。
But they came because I want them.
但他们来是因为我想要他们。
I want them to be with me.
我希望他们和我在一起。
So they do it for you.
所以他们会为你做这件事。
Yousef Hammash At that time, yes.
优素福·哈马什 当时，是的。
It was for me.
这是给我的。
And this time?
而这一次呢？
Yousef Hammash This time, I think I'll prepare everything.
优素福·哈马什 这次，我想我会准备好一切。
I will prepare the tents.
我会准备帐篷。
I'll find you a place.
我给你找个地方。
Then I'll move you once, when everything's ready to have you.
等一切准备就绪后，我会搬走你一次。
And what pushed me to finish everything today is that Benjamin Netanyahu, he was threatening Hezbollah.
促使我今天完成所有事情的是本杰明·内塔尼亚胡，他威胁真主党。
He was saying, Hezbollah, you should stop what you are doing because if you start a war, we will turn Beirut into Gaza and Khan Yunis.
他说，真主党，你应该停止你正在做的事情，因为如果你发动战争，我们会将贝鲁特变成加沙和汗尤尼斯。
So I was like, OK, now it's Khan Yunis.
所以我想，好吧，现在轮到汗尤尼斯了。
I need to evacuate them from there.
我需要把他们从那里疏散。
They are in the center of Khan Yunis.
他们位于汗尤尼斯的中心。
Yep.
是的。
Because a lot of people stay until the last moment, and when they evacuate, they will evacuate under bombing.
因为很多人都留到最后一刻，撤离的时候就会在轰炸下撤离。
And I don't want my sisters to experience that.
我不想让我的姐妹经历这种事。
So there is two types of tents.
所以帐篷有两种类型。
Now I became expert, by the way.
顺便说一下，现在我成了专家了。
I was going to ask you how you know to build tents so quickly.
我本来想问你怎么知道这么快就可以搭建帐篷。
So one, I get it through NRC, where I work, and it was with instruction.
因此，我是通过我工作的 NRC 获得的，并且是在指导下进行的。
That was easy.
那很容易。
The other one is like wooden sticks with plastic.
另一种就像带有塑料的木棍。
The hardest part was finding a place, a suitable place to rent a small land, not randomly in the streets, you know?
最难的部分是找到一个地方，一个合适的地方租一小块土地，而不是在街上随意，你知道吗？
It's agricultural area.
是农业区。
It's a bit sandy everywhere.
到处都是沙子。
A lot of airstrikes, wow.
大量空袭，哇。
Chana Joffe-Walt I'm sorry, what?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 对不起，什么？
Just now?
现在？
Yousef Hammash Yeah.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的。
Yes.
是的。
Another airstrike.
又一次空袭。
They're getting crazy somehow, all of this in Khan Yunis.
不知怎的，他们变得疯狂了，这一切都发生在汗尤尼斯身上。
The explosions are in Khan Yunis right now?
爆炸现在发生在汗尤尼斯吗？
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊。
Another one.
另一个。
What's going on?
这是怎么回事？
I'll call you in a minute, OK?
我一会儿给你打电话，好吗？
No problem.
没问题。
No problem.
没问题。
Yousef Hammash I just need to check, OK?
Yousef Hammash 我只是需要检查一下，好吗？
Just one minute, I'll call you back.
请稍等一下，我会给你回电话。
Take your time.
慢慢来。
Bye.
再见。
Yousef Hammash Because it seems really massive there.
Yousef Hammash 因为那里看起来真的很大。
OK.
好的。
Is everybody OK?
大家还好吗？
Yousef Hammash Just wanna make sure that they're still alive.
优素福·哈马什只是想确保他们还活着。
Yeah, they're alive.
是的，他们还活着。
Do you literally write, "are you alive?"
你真的会写“你还活着吗？”
Yeah, it was a funny message from my sister.
是的，这是我姐姐发来的一条有趣的消息。
"Are you alive?"
“你还活着吗？”
Wait, that's funny?
等等，这很有趣吗？
Yousef Hammash Yeah, because I had to send emojis laughing.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，因为我不得不发送笑的表情符号。
That's how we are talking, always, even when I'm with them.
我们总是这样说话，即使我和他们在一起也是如此。
It's like, OK, we have one more day to live.
就好像，好吧，我们还有一天可活。
Let's enjoy it.
让我们欣赏一下吧。
Maybe two days, OK.
大概两天吧，好吧。
So you wrote her, are you alive, smiley face?
所以你写信给她，你还活着吗，笑脸？
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Oh, my god.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 噢，天啊。
Yeah, and she writes back yes, or she laughs?
是的，她回信说是，或者她笑了？
She laughs and said it's a bit calm.
她笑着说，有点平静了。
A bit calm.
有点冷静。
OK, I don't know what she means a bit calm, but ya'ani.
好吧，我不知道她的意思是有点冷静，但是 ya'ani。
I'll let you go.
我会让你走。
I've taken so much of your time.
我占用了你太多的时间。
Thank you so much.
太感谢了。
Chana Joffe-Walt And tomorrow, what's going to happen is your sisters are going to move?
Chana Joffe-Walt 明天，如果你的姐妹们要搬家，会发生什么？
Yeah, this is going to be the early thing for me to do in the morning because I don't want them to move under the bombing.
是的，这将是我早上要做的第一件事，因为我不想让他们在轰炸下移动。
So I want to evacuate them when it's a bit calm and manageable without risks.
所以我想在风平浪静、可控且没有风险的情况下疏散他们。
So I'll do it in the early morning, but maybe because of this rain-- ah-- I need to assess the situation tomorrow morning.
所以我会在凌晨去做，但是可能因为这场雨啊——我需要评估一下明天早上的情况。
I promised them that we will make decision together this time, tomorrow morning.
我向他们保证，这次我们会一起做出决定，明天早上。
But you've already made the decision that you want them to go?
但你已经决定要他们离开了？
Yes.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt [LAUGHS] All right.
Chana Joffe-Walt [笑] 好吧。
OK, I hope you have an easy night.
好的，希望您度过一个轻松的夜晚。
And I will check in with you tomorrow.
明天我会和你联系。
That's a good phrase, "easy night." [LAUGHS] OK.
这是一个很好的短语，“轻松的夜晚”。 [笑]好的。
Inshallah.
安拉。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Thank you.
谢谢。
OK, bye.
好的，再见。
Yousef Hammash Thank you.
优素福·哈马什 谢谢。
Bye-bye.
再见。
Did your sisters move today?
今天姐妹们搬家了吗？
Yousef Hammash Unfortunately, not yet.
不幸的是，优素福·哈马什还没有。
They were refusing to leave without a bathroom, but today, there were a lot of tanks and airstrikes.
他们拒绝在没有上厕所的情况下离开，但今天，有大量的坦克和空袭。
No, I promised them that tomorrow it's going to be-- there will be a bathroom tomorrow.
不，我向他们保证明天将会——明天会有一间浴室。
I'll make my best to make it happen.
我会尽我最大的努力去实现它。
I want to jump in and say a little bit about what Yousef doing his best looks like, an incomplete summary of that particular day.
我想插话谈谈尤瑟夫的最佳表现，这是对那一天的不完整总结。
He spent the morning trying to track down trucks for the Norwegian Refugee Council, where he works.
他花了一个早上的时间试图为他工作的挪威难民委员会寻找卡车。
The trucks were full of aid, things like bedding, tents, buckets for water, that should have arrived at the border, but he couldn't check online if they were there because the system was down and the phones weren't working.
卡车上装满了援助物资，比如床上用品、帐篷、水桶等，这些东西应该已经到达边境了，但他无法在线查看它们是否已经到达，因为系统瘫痪了，电话也无法使用。
So he went in person, wandered around, looking at plate numbers-- could not find the trucks.
于是他亲自去了，四处转悠，查看车牌号码，却找不到卡车。
Then he went to the market to find medicine for his wife, Manal, who's sick-- could not find medicine.
然后他去市场为他生病的妻子玛纳尔寻找药物，但找不到药物。
In the midst of all this, he got a call from another relative who was fleeing and needed a place to stay in Rafah.
就在这一切期间，他接到了另一位正在逃亡的亲戚的电话，他需要在拉法找到一个住处。
Yes, yes, you can come, Yousef told him.
是的，是的，你可以来，尤瑟夫告诉他。
One more tent.
又一个帐篷。
Near his sisters' tents, Yousef saw a guy building a bathroom, hired that guy, but he's busy until tomorrow.
在他姐妹的帐篷附近，尤瑟夫看到一个人在建浴室，就雇用了那个人，但他要忙到明天。
The bathroom guy told Yousef he needed to find supplies.
浴室工作人员告诉尤瑟夫他需要寻找用品。
So Yousef spent hours searching for cement, stones, and a water tank.
因此，尤瑟夫花了几个小时寻找水泥、石头和水箱。
He found a water tank, but it was in a different part of Gaza, so Yousef paid more than the price of the water tank to get it transported.
他找到了一个水箱，但它位于加沙的另一个地方，因此尤瑟夫支付的费用比水箱的价格还要高才能将其运输。
I was picturing a hole in the ground that you were going to build near-- you were going to dig near the tents, but you're building an actual bathroom with water and walls.
我想象着你要在帐篷附近挖一个洞，但你要建造一个真正的浴室，里面有水和墙壁。
Yes, actually, that was a condition from my sisters.
是的，事实上，这是我姐妹们提出的条件。
So is that the first thing for you tomorrow?
那么这是你明天的第一件事吗？
Definitely, yes.
绝对是的。
[LAUGHS] It will be happening for sure tomorrow because, ya'ani, a few, two hours ago or less, there was an airstrike near them, and it takes me like half an hour or more just trying to call, trying to call.
[笑]明天肯定会发生，因为，ya'ani，几个、两个小时前或更短的时间，他们附近发生了一次空袭，我花了半个小时或更长时间才试图打电话，试图打电话。
I couldn't reach anyone.
我无法联系到任何人。
That freaked me out.
这吓坏了我。
I cannot handle this situation again.
我无法再处理这种情况了。
And I managed to reach my sister, Aseel.
我设法联系上了我的妹妹阿塞尔。
And they are fine.
他们很好。
There is a lot of gas and a lot of bombing, but we are fine.
有很多毒气和很多轰炸，但我们很好。
And this is when we agreed hallas tomorrow you are moving.
就在这时，我们同意哈拉斯明天你要搬家。
And I will come to pick you tomorrow.
明天我会来接你。
So she definitely agreed?
所以她肯定同意了？
Yousef Hammash Yeah, yeah.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，是的。
I then-- [NON-ENGLISH] sorry.
然后我——[非英语]抱歉。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Are we recording something?
[非英语演讲] 我们正在录制一些东西吗？
Because my son is just annoying me.
因为我的儿子只是让我烦恼。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
That's OK.
没关系。
I like hearing him.
我喜欢听他说。
How old is he?
他几岁了？
2 year and 1/2.
2 年零 1/2。
Chana Joffe-Walt 2 and 1/2.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 2 和 1/2。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] I'm just asking him to close the door.
[非英语语音] 我只是请他关上门。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Last night, I had to stay awake until Ahmed, who cannot sleep without being kissed 1,000 time on his cheeks until he sleep.
[非英语演讲] 昨晚，我不得不保持清醒，直到艾哈迈德，他的脸颊被亲吻了 1000 次才睡着。
Sometimes when he feels that I'm tired of kissing him, he gives me his hand to kiss it.
有时当他觉得我厌倦了亲他时，他就会把手伸给我去亲。
Exactly, yeah.
没错，是的。
He likes to give me some rest sometimes.
他有时喜欢让我休息一下。
OK, you can kiss my hand.
好吧，你可以亲吻我的手。
I don't know how he get this habit, but I don't mind it.
我不知道他是怎么养成这个习惯的，但我不介意。
And for me, it's OK.
对我来说，没关系。
[LAUGHS] I'm really grateful for the rain.
[笑]我真的很感谢这场雨。
It start raining.
天开始下雨了。
Then that reduced the sound of bombing.
这样就减少了轰炸的声音。
And also, you can use-- no, this is thunder strike.
而且，你还可以使用——不，这是雷击。
So we are lucky today.
所以我们今天很幸运。
We can manipulate that, so ya'ani.
我们可以操纵它，所以ya'ani。
So you'll tell them in the night if they hear a noise--
所以你会在晚上告诉他们如果他们听到噪音——
Yeah, it's raining.
是的，下雨了。
It's raining.
下雨了。
It's raining.
下雨了。
It's the thunder strike.
这是雷霆一击。
It's raining.
下雨了。
Ya'ani.
亚阿尼。
I don't know.
我不知道。
At the beginning, it was a bit easy to convince them that this is fireworks or thunder strike.
一开始，要让他们相信这是烟花或雷击有点容易。
But then even my daughter, Illya, which is five years old, now can understand that this is airstrike.
但即使是我五岁的女儿伊利亚现在也能明白这是空袭。
Even my son, Ahmed, who is two years and a half, and he can say like bombing, this is from airplane.
即使是我两岁半的儿子艾哈迈德，他也能像轰炸一样说，这是飞机上的。
And he keeps using this word, "gussuff," "gussuff," which means "strikes." And what the hell?
他一直使用这个词，“gussuff”，“gussuff”，意思是“罢工”。到底是什么？
That's another massive airstrike.
这又是一次大规模空袭。
Is it close to you?
它离你很近吗？
Yousef Hammash No. If it was close, you would hear it.
Yousef Hammash 不。如果距离很近，你就会听到。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
Yousef Hammash I failed to convince them that this is not a war.
优素福·哈马什我未能让他们相信这不是一场战争。
And I failed that they know that this is a war at that age.
我没能让他们知道在那个年纪这是一场战争。
And they see how we are shouting, my sisters are crying.
他们看到我们在喊叫，我的姐妹们在哭泣。
Or it's not enough anymore for my children, when they feel panic from bombing, to run towards us.
或者，当我的孩子们因轰炸而感到恐慌时，向我们跑来已经不够了。
They start scream without even running towards us because somehow they understood that we don't have that ability to protect them.
他们开始尖叫，甚至没有跑向我们，因为不知怎的，他们明白我们没有能力保护他们。
And that's something really awful when you understand that your children understand that you cannot protect them.
当你明白你的孩子明白你无法保护他们时，这真是太可怕了。
When I start to feel useless in front of my children and when I found that I cannot protect my children, I deeply regret it because-- [SIGHS]
当我开始觉得自己在孩子面前一无是处，当我发现自己无法保护我的孩子时，我深感后悔，因为——[叹息]
You regret what?
你后悔什么？
Yousef Hammash What is the meaning as a father?
优素福·哈马什作为父亲的意义是什么？
I regret having children here.
我很遗憾在这里生孩子。
What is the meaning for me as a father if I cannot protect them?
如果我不能保护他们，我作为一个父亲还有什么意义？
You regret having children?
你后悔生孩子吗？
Having children in Gaza?
在加沙生孩子？
Yes.
是的。
Definitely, I regret.
确实，我后悔了。
I made them.
我做的。
I made that decision.
我做出了这个决定。
And I had children in Gaza while I know the consequences, but I wasn't imagining that we will go through this, because I am a man of responsibility.
我在加沙生了孩子，虽然我知道后果，但我没想到我们会经历这一切，因为我是一个有责任感的人。
I'm responsible for these children to secure their life and future.
我有责任保护这些孩子的生命和未来。
If I know that they will live through this, I would never, ever even get married here.
如果我知道他们会经历这一切，我永远不会在这里结婚。
You would never get married.
你永远不会结婚。
Is that what you said?
是你说的吗？
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Yeah.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 是的。
Is a part of that feeling like "I should have known not to do this," or--
是那种感觉的一部分，就像“我应该知道不这样做”，或者——
It's "I should never have did that decision."
这是“我不应该做出那个决定”。
Hello?
你好？
Chana Joffe-Walt Hi, Yousef.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 嗨，尤瑟夫。
Do you have a couple of minutes?
您有几分钟时间吗？
Yeah, of course.
是的，当然。
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt How did today go?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 今天过得怎么样？
Oh, it was a really, really long day.
哦，这真是非常非常漫长的一天。
Had to start really early and was a lot of things to do.
必须很早就开始，有很多事情要做。
They moved?
他们搬家了？
Yousef Hammash So I brought them all.
优素福·哈马什 所以我把它们都带来了。
Yeah, yeah, they moved.
是啊，是啊，他们搬家了。
Wow, you did it.
哇，你做到了。
Took you-- Yousef Hammash It was really a lot.
带你——Yousef Hammash 真的很多。
[LAUGHS] Last night, they were texting me about a lot of bombing.
[笑]昨晚，他们给我发短信说发生了很多爆炸事件。
The house next to them was bombed.
他们旁边的房子被炸了。
Another house behind them was bombed.
他们身后的另一所房子被炸了。
And so they wanted to move.
所以他们想搬家。
They wanted to go, hallas.
他们想去，哈拉。
You said the house next to them was bombed last night?
你说他们隔壁的房子昨晚被炸了？
Yes.
是的。
Yeah, last night was a bit harsh when they started texting me that the bombing is around us.
是的，昨晚有点刺耳，他们开始发短信给我说爆炸就在我们周围。
What?
什么？
Yeah.
是的。
But there was an airstrike that hit a property right next to them?
但他们旁边的一处房产遭到了空袭？
Yes, but it's a drone strike.
是的，但这是一次无人机袭击。
So, OK, we have different types of missiles that the Israelis are using.
所以，好吧，我们有以色列人使用的不同类型的导弹。
So there is the F-16, which is warplanes and this American-made weapon that destroy entire neighborhoods.
所以就有了 F-16，它是战机和这种美国制造的武器，可以摧毁整个社区。
The drones have smaller bombs that destroy a house or half of the house.
无人机携带较小的炸弹，可以摧毁一座房屋或半座房屋。
They were afraid that the bombing might be in the same house because it's four floors, and they are the first one.
他们担心爆炸可能发生在同一栋房子里，因为房子有四层，而他们是第一层。
So that's why they didn't argue me and like, yes, let's move.
所以这就是为什么他们没有和我争论，而是说，是的，我们走吧。
You texted back, I'm coming?
你回短信了，我来吗？
Yousef Hammash Yes, and they were freaking out that I will come.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 是的，他们很害怕我会来。
And my wife prevented me.
我的妻子阻止了我。
My sisters were texting me, do not come.
我的姐妹们给我发短信，不要来。
There is a lot of bombing in the street in front of the house.
房子前面的街道上发生了很多爆炸事件。
Do not come.
别来。
Yousef waited till the sun came up and then drove to Khan Yunis.
优素福等到太阳升起，然后开车前往汗尤尼斯。
He says on his way there, he could hear gunfire and explosions all around him.
他说，在去那里的路上，他听到周围有枪声和爆炸声。
The first thing I did in the morning is, I went there, pack up in the car my sisters and their children.
我早上做的第一件事就是去那里，把我的姐妹们和她们的孩子带上车。
And I came and then I sent another car, like a small van, small bus, so I can have the bags and everything and my brothers-in-law.
我来了，然后又派了另一辆车，比如小面包车、小巴士，这样我就可以带着行李和所有东西，还有我的姐夫。
Was there a part of you that felt a little frustrated?
你的某个部分是否感到有点沮丧？
Like, I told you guys you should have come earlier?
就像，我告诉你们你们应该早点来？
I didn't want it to get to this?
我不想事情发展到这个地步？
That's exactly what the first thing I said today when I met them.
这正是我今天见到他们时说的第一句话。
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt What did you say?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 你说什么？
The first thing was like, I told you.
第一件事就像，我告诉过你了。
We don't want to-- 'cause there was a lot of bombing, a lot of tanks.
我们不想——因为有很多轰炸，很多坦克。
I told you before, we don't need to run away under shelling and bombing.
我之前就告诉过你们，我们不需要在炮击和轰炸下逃跑。
But now we did it.
但现在我们做到了。
Hallas.
哈拉斯。
Every time, it had to be the same situation.
每一次，情况都必须相同。
So overnight, you're worried about their survival and you're panicked, and you want to drive to get them in the middle of the night, but in the morning, you greet them with, "I told you so.
所以一夜之间，你担心他们的生存，你很惊慌，你想在半夜开车去接他们，但到了早上，你迎接他们的是，“我告诉过你了。
This is what I said was going to happen."
这就是我所说的将会发生的事情。”
Yeah.
是的。
I was blaming them.
我在责怪他们。
[LAUGHS] So there is no discussion we are leaving.
[笑]所以我们不会留下任何讨论。
So you didn't hug them and cry and say, I'm so glad you survived.
所以你没有拥抱他们，哭着说，我很高兴你活了下来。
You said--
你说——
No, we have a different type of relation.
不，我们有不同类型的关系。
It's not about hugging them.
这不是拥抱他们。
I was laughing.
我在笑。
You should have died.
你应该死了。
I should be in the morgue now.
我现在应该在停尸房里。
[LAUGHS] This is how I am with my sisters.
[笑]这就是我和我姐妹们的相处方式。
And did they laugh?
他们笑了吗？
What did they say back?
他们回复了什么？
Hadir was like, ah, you know.
哈迪尔说，啊，你知道。
Actually, they will start to give me orders quickly.
事实上，他们很快就会开始给我下订单。
You need to talk to our cousin, Amajid, because he was hosting us.
你需要和我们的表弟阿马吉德谈谈，因为他接待了我们。
You need to invite him.
你需要邀请他。
You have to talk to him nicely and push to bring them with us because they take care of us for a long time.
你必须和他好好谈谈，并努力让他们和我们一起去，因为他们照顾我们很长时间了。
Now we have to repay them.
现在我们必须回报他们。
Also, go to our Uncle Ayman because they wanted to have invited by you, not us.
另外，去找我们的艾曼叔叔，因为他们想邀请你，而不是我们。
It's a bit weird.
有点奇怪。
Like, OK, I'll do this, and you pack the luggage, and you'll do that.
就像，好吧，我会做这个，你收拾行李，然后你会做那个。
And they refused to leave before cleaning everything.
他们在清理所有东西之前拒绝离开。
They wouldn't leave without cleaning the house?
他们不打扫房子就不会离开吗？
Yep, cleaning the house, kitchen, bathrooms.
是的，打扫房子、厨房、浴室。
Yes, because they will-- yeah, that was actually weird from them, but this is how they think.
是的，因为他们会——是的，这对他们来说确实很奇怪，但这就是他们的想法。
And I really respect it because we leave it better than the way we have.
我真的很尊重它，因为我们让它比我们现有的方式更好。
This is how we show respect.
这就是我们表达尊重的方式。
And we had to clean.
我们必须清洁。
What did it-- Yousef Hammash And it was the first time for them since the beginning of the war to see the sea.
这是怎么回事——尤瑟夫·哈马什 自战争开始以来，这是他们第一次看到大海。
Oh.
哦。
Yousef Hammash And they were very, very excited and happy.
Yousef Hammash 他们非常非常兴奋和高兴。
How did they respond to the tents when you showed them where they're staying?
当你带他们参观他们住的地方时，他们对帐篷有何反应？
I was expecting that they will be like, eh, it's not nice, but they were happy.
我原以为他们会说，呃，这不太好，但他们很高兴。
It's like, OK, it's nice.
就像，好吧，这很好。
It's good.
很好。
Did you feel nervous?
你感到紧张吗？
Yousef Hammash Yeah, yeah, yeah.
优素福·哈马什 是啊，是啊，是啊。
I want them to see that-- to prove for them that I did my best.
我希望他们看到这一点——向他们证明我已经尽力了。
And I was checking on them inside the tents.
我正在帐篷里检查他们。
What do you think?
你怎么认为？
It's warm.
很温暖。
There is two layers for the tent, one for if it's rain and one inside.
帐篷有两层，一层用于防雨，一层用于内部。
I was trying to convince them as, you know these sale people who is trying to convince you to buy something?
我试图说服他们，你知道这些销售人员试图说服你买东西吗？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
That was you?
那是你吗？
Yousef Hammash That's exactly what I was.
优素福·哈马什：我就是这样的人。
That was me today.
这就是今天的我。
Yeah, it's nice, good.
是的，这很好，很好。
We'll do with the bathroom here.
我们就在这里处理浴室。
We'll get something there.
我们会在那里得到一些东西。
Here, we can turn on the fire.
到这里，我们就可以把火打开了。
And I was like, oh, one minute.
我当时想，哦，一分钟。
I'll get you internet tomorrow, and I will get you lights here.
明天我会给你提供互联网，我会给你这里的灯。
Our neighbors have a solar panel.
我们的邻居有太阳能电池板。
He will connect us some lights.
他会给我们连接一些灯。
Yeah, I was doing that sale man.
是的，我就是那个推销员。
And they were happy.
他们很高兴。
They were?
他们是？
Did they give you the response you wanted?
他们给了你你想要的回应吗？
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's nice.
是的，就像，是的，这很好。
Also, in our way coming, we went through one of the camps that people are just building tents in the streets.
另外，在我们来的路上，我们经过了一个营地，人们刚刚在街上搭建帐篷。
And they saw how miserable the situation is, so.
他们看到情况是多么悲惨，所以。
And I meant to go there before taking them to our place.
我本来打算在带他们去我们住处之前先去那里。
You did it on purpose?
你是故意的吗？
Yousef Hammash Exactly, because I want them to see how people are living to prove for them that I did my best managing what I could.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 没错，因为我希望他们看到人们是如何生活的，以向他们证明我已尽力管理我能做的事情。
And when I met them today, I found out that they didn't eat for two days.
而今天见到他们的时候，我发现他们已经两天没有吃饭了。
They only eat rice.
他们只吃米饭。
So first thing I was thinking about, like, preparing a really big meal for them, and they were surprised I had barbecues and kebab.
所以我想到的第一件事就是为他们准备一顿丰盛的大餐，他们很惊讶我有烧烤和烤肉串。
And I was like, no, no, no.
我当时想，不，不，不。
So they had a meal?
所以他们吃过饭了？
You had a meal together?
你们一起吃过饭吗？
A very big one.
很大的一个。
It was very expensive one, but I was like, OK, I'll feed you until you've had more than enough.
这是非常昂贵的，但我想，好吧，我会喂你，直到你吃够为止。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Wow.
哇。
Yousef Hammash And so after fasting for two days, it worked to provide them with something really good.
优素福·哈马什（Yousef Hammash）因此，在禁食两天之后，它为他们提供了一些真正好的东西。
Did they appreciate it?
他们欣赏吗？
Yousef Hammash Ooh, a lot.
优素福·哈马什 噢，很多。
They were very happy.
他们非常高兴。
I was very happy also having this meal.
吃这顿饭我也很高兴。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Good, all good.
很好，一切都好。
Chana Joffe-Walt This call, five days after I started speaking to Yousef, was the first time I talked to him when he was not agonizing over his sisters and how to get them out of Khan Yunis.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特（Chana Joffe-Walt） 在我开始与尤瑟夫交谈五天后，这是我第一次与他交谈，当时他还没有为他的姐妹们以及如何让她们摆脱汗尤尼斯而苦恼。
They were there, their first day in their new place, settling in.
他们在那里，这是他们来到新地方的第一天，正在安顿下来。
There still wasn't a bathroom, but Yousef had asked a neighbor if his family could use their bathroom until his was up and running.
仍然没有浴室，但尤瑟夫问邻居，在他的浴室恢复正常之前，他的家人是否可以使用他们的浴室。
He went to work that morning, made it a couple hours into the day when he got a call from his youngest sister, Aseel.
那天早上他去上班，几个小时后他接到了他最小的妹妹阿塞尔的电话。
It's too complicated.
太复杂了。
Chana Joffe-Walt Wait.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特等等。
Tell me what happened with your sister.
告诉我你姐姐发生了什么事。
So Aseel today wanted to go to the bathroom, and she waited.
所以阿塞尔今天想去洗手间，她就等着。
So there is, in the land next to us, they have a bathroom, and they're friends of mine.
所以，在我们旁边的土地上，他们有一间浴室，他们是我的朋友。
And my neighbor is hosting more than 60 people.
我的邻居接待了 60 多人。
So they have to wait in line to earn this bathroom.
所以他们必须排队等候才能获得这个浴室。
It's a single bathroom.
这是一个单间浴室。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
How pregnant is she?
她怀孕了多少？
When is she due?
她什么时候预产期？
So she is at the seventh month, about to finish it.
现在她已经第七个月了，即将完成。
And she cannot wait.
她等不及了。
She's pregnant, and it's a bit embarrassing for her.
她怀孕了，这对她来说有点尴尬。
And so she starts to cry.
于是她开始哭泣。
And then she called me.
然后她打电话给我。
While she was in line?
当她排队的时候？
Yousef Hammash So she cried several times, and she were hopeless.
尤瑟夫·哈马什因此哭了好几次，她感到绝望。
Then she started to cry and decided to go back to Khan Yunis
然后她开始哭泣并决定回到汗尤尼斯身边
[GASPS] Yousef Hammash She decided that, and she called me, and she told me I'm leaving to Khan Yunis now.
[喘息] Yousef Hammash 她决定了，她打电话给我，她告诉我我现在要去 Khan Yunis 那里。
Oh, that's changed the day.
哦，那一天就变了。
I had to go back [LAUGHS] to meet my sister, take her to the bathroom, spend an hour or more.
我不得不回去[笑]见我姐姐，带她去洗手间，花了一个小时或更长时间。
I went, I stopped the line.
我去了，我停了线。
How did the 60 people waiting respond to that?
等待的60人对此有何反应？
It went OK.
一切顺利。
There was someone inside, and I told them no one is getting inside.
里面有人，我告诉他们没有人进去。
No one goes to the bathroom, hallas, until my sister finished.
在我姐姐完成之前，没有人去洗手间，哈拉。
Was she seriously thinking about going back to Khan Yunis?
她是否认真考虑回到汗尤尼斯身边？
I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
It shows me that she needs me.
这表明她需要我。
I need to find a solution now.
我现在需要找到解决方案。
She's above the limits.
她已经超出了极限。
The whole week, Yousef had been telling me that he needed his family close to him so he could think rationally about what was going on around him.
整整一周，优素福一直告诉我，他需要家人靠近他，这样他才能理性地思考周围发生的事情。
Now, they're here with all the joy and irritation that comes with having family close by.
现在，他们带着家人在身边所带来的喜悦和烦恼来到这里。
They're together in Rafah.
他们一起在拉法。
They've moved from the very north of Gaza all the way down, the furthest south they can go.
他们从加沙最北端一路向下，到达了他们能到达的最南端。
There is nowhere else.
没有其他地方了。
They're at the bottom edge of the Gaza Strip, on the border with Egypt.
他们位于加沙地带的底部边缘，与埃及接壤。
Yousef can think a little bit about what's next.
尤瑟夫可以稍微思考一下接下来要做什么。
What makes it a bit harder on me that I've been outside Gaza.
是什么让我在加沙之外感到有点困难。
I know how it looks like outside.
我知道外面是什么样子。
First time I've been out outside of Gaza was last year.
我第一次走出加沙是去年。
And it was for your job to-- Yousef Hammash Yes, to Norway with NRC.
你的工作是—— Yousef Hammash 是的，与 NRC 一起前往挪威。
And when I arrived to Oslo, Norway, and the airport, they stamp my passport, and she said, welcome.
当我到达挪威奥斯陆和机场时，他们在我的护照上盖章，她说，欢迎。
And it was weird for me.
这对我来说很奇怪。
There is no interrogation.
没有审讯。
They're not going to question me, anything.
他们不会质问我什么的。
They are not going to look for me as a terrorist.
他们不会把我当作恐怖分子来寻找。
And they're not going to check my bags or my body or my-- they just allow me to enter, and it feels weird.
他们不会检查我的行李、我的身体或我的——他们只是允许我进入，这感觉很奇怪。
It feels weird in a way that I want them to check me and interrogate me.
我希望他们检查我并审问我，这感觉很奇怪。
Like, this is not you.
就像，这不是你。
This is not the usual.
这不寻常。
Come on, guys.
来吧，伙计们。
You have to--
你必须——
You have to do your job.
你必须做好你的工作。
Yousef Hammash --ask me some questions.
优素福·哈马什——问我一些问题。
Yeah, come on.
是的，来吧。
You have to ask me something.
你必须问我一些事情。
You have to ask me where I live or whatever.
你必须问我住在哪里或者其他什么。
Who is my neighbor, or what I do, or what's my relation with the militant groups in Gaza.
谁是我的邻居，或者我做什么，或者我与加沙武装组织有什么关系。
You have to ask me about anything.
有什么事你都得问我。
Come on.
快点。
And I saw how the world is massive.
我看到了世界是多么巨大。
For me, Gaza was a bit big.
对我来说，加沙有点大。
Gaza is very, very narrow piece of land.
加沙是一块非常非常狭窄的土地。
And for me, it was huge.
对我来说，这是巨大的。
But when I saw the world outside of Gaza, I was like, guys, we are living in a small neighborhood.
但当我看到加沙以外的世界时，我想，伙计们，我们生活在一个小社区里。
What felt different?
感觉有什么不同？
Yousef Hammash Everything is different.
优素福·哈马什一切都不同了。
Cannot imagine how I was feeling when I saw the first time an airplane or an airport.
无法想象当我第一次看到飞机或机场时的感受。
I felt like I'm four years old.
我感觉自己好像四岁了。
And I was saying always, I'm Gazan more than any Gazan here because I've never been outside.
我总是说，我比这里的任何加沙人都更属于加沙，因为我从来没有去过外面。
And when I went outside, I understood how it feels.
当我走出去时，我明白了那种感觉。
I saw how people are living their life.
我看到人们如何过自己的生活。
And I totally understand why they don't really care about us.
我完全理解为什么他们并不真正关心我们。
They are busy with their lives.
他们忙于自己的生活。
There is an entire generation never been outside of Gaza.
整整一代人从未离开过加沙。
And what my children, what they have been through is something unimaginable, and they don't deserve that.
我的孩子们，他们所经历的一切是难以想象的，他们不应该受到这样的对待。
What is the world expecting from this generation after 15 years when they lived through all of this?
经历了这一切15年后，世界对这一代人有何期待？
What do you expect?
你期望什么？
Yousef Hammash More violence.
尤瑟夫·哈马什 更多暴力。
How they are going to think rationally?
他们将如何理性思考？
Do you worry about that with your own children?
您担心自己的孩子吗？
I made that decision.
我做出了这个决定。
And when this war finish, if we survive, I will take them outside.
当这场战争结束时，如果我们活下来，我就会带他们出去。
I'm not allowing my children to go through this situation again.
我不会让我的孩子再次经历这种情况。
You want to leave?
你想离开吗？
Yousef Hammash [SIGHS] It's-- I know it's going to be really, really difficult.
Yousef Hammash [叹气] 我知道这会非常非常困难。
Gaza is part of us, ya'ani.
加沙是我们的一部分，亚尼。
And I know it's-- but, ah, it's really hard to think about that now, to be honest, in the middle of the war.
我知道这是——但是，啊，老实说，在战争期间，现在真的很难思考这个问题。
But I made a decision that without thinking about it, they are not going to stay here.
但我想都没想就决定，他们不会留在这里。
So it's 10:30 now, so--
现在是 10 点 30 分，所以——
You want to go to bed.
你想去睡觉了。
Yousef Hammash --it's pretty--
尤瑟夫·哈马什——很漂亮——
Yeah.
是的。
Yousef Hammash Yeah, and at least it's gone now.
尤瑟夫·哈马什：是的，至少现在已经消失了。
I could catch some before they start shooting or something.
我可以在他们开始射击之前抓住一些。
Yeah, you should do that.
是的，你应该这样做。
Yousef Hammash OK.
优素福·哈马什 好的。
OK.
好的。
Yousef Hammash Have a nice night.
优素福·哈马什 祝您度过一个愉快的夜晚。
Salaam alechum.
萨拉姆·阿莱库姆。
Bye.
再见。
Yousef Hammash in Gaza, talking to Chana Joffe-Walt.
尤瑟夫·哈马什在加沙与查纳·乔夫-沃尔特交谈。
This story was produced by Nancy Updike, edited by me and Nancy and Emanuele Berry; mixed by Katherine Rae Mondo; fact-checked by Jane Ackermann.
这个故事由 Nancy Updike 制作，由我、Nancy 和 Emanuele Berry 编辑；由凯瑟琳·雷·蒙多 (Katherine Rae Mondo) 混音；由简·阿克曼进行事实核查。
Special thanks today to Shaina Low, Nabil Shawkat, Hany Hawasly, Anas Baba, Brian Castner, Dror Sadot, and Mark Garlasco.
今天特别感谢 Shaina Low、Nabil Shawkat、Hany Hawasly、Anas Baba、Brian Castner、Dror Sadot 和 Mark Garlasco。
The show comes to you from WBEZ Chicago and PRX, the Public Radio International.
该节目由 WBEZ 芝加哥和 PRX（国际公共广播电台）为您提供。
We'll be back this weekend, just a couple of days from now, with a new episode for you.
几天后，我们将在本周末回来，为您带来新的一集。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。