818: Stand Clear of the Closing Doors - This American Life

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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass New York City, the Port Authority Bus Terminal, a very cold night, a few weeks ago--

序言：序言 Ira Glass 纽约市，港务局巴士总站，一个非常寒冷的夜晚，几周前——

Yeah, explain what time it is, and where we are and what we're doing.

是的，解释一下现在是什么时间，我们在哪里以及我们在做什么。

It is 11:14 PM.

现在是晚上 11 点 14 分。

And we are waiting for a Texas bus.

我们正在等德克萨斯州的公共汽车。

Texas bus with who inside?

德克萨斯州巴士里面有谁？

Adama Bah So we don't know the number yet, but we have asylum seekers that are there that just come from the border.

Adama Bah：我们还不知道具体数字，但我们有刚从边境过来的寻求庇护者。

This is one of the buses that Governor Greg Abbott sent to New York City, starting in the summer of last year.

这是格雷格·阿博特州长从去年夏天开始派往纽约市的巴士之一。

You probably heard about this.

你可能听说过这个。

Hoping to make a point about what Texas is dealing with, he sent migrants on buses to cities run by Democrats-- Washington, DC, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Denver, and New York.

为了表达德克萨斯州正在处理的问题，他将移民乘坐公共汽车送往民主党管理的城市——华盛顿特区、洛杉矶、芝加哥、费城、丹佛和纽约。

Over 27,000 people have arrived at this spot this way, where many of them have been greeted by a 5'2" Black woman, named Adama Bah.

超过 27,000 人通过这种方式到达了这个地点，其中许多人受到了一位身高 5 英尺 2 英寸、名叫阿达玛·巴 (Adama Bah) 的黑人妇女的欢迎。

Mm.

嗯。

I don't keep count anymore.

我不再数了。

[LAUGHS]

[笑]

But what's the most it gets?

但它最多能得到什么？

Like, what's a hard week for you?

比如，对你来说，艰难的一周是怎样的？

A hard week is every day, a bus.

辛苦的一周就是每天坐公交车。

I put the kids to sleep, and then I ran over here.

我让孩子们睡着了，然后我就跑过来了。

I'm a mommy.

我是一位妈妈。

And I'll make it back in time, where they won't notice I'm gone.

我会及时赶回来，他们不会发现我走了。

Thing is, Adama doesn't work for the city of New York.

问题是，阿达玛不适用于纽约市。

She runs a community center for newly arrived immigrants, called Afrikana.

她为新抵达的移民经营着一个名为 Afrikana 的社区中心。

She's been doing this work with migrants for 18 years-- for a long time, just out of her car, though she still does a lot of work from her car, going around a city to where recent migrants are, talking to them in the car.

她从事这项与移民相关的工作已经有 18 年了——很长一段时间，只是在车里，尽管她仍然在车里做很多工作，走遍城市到新移民所在的地方，在车里与他们交谈。

My car has been my office for years, and it's still my office.

多年来，我的车一直是我的办公室，现在仍然是我的办公室。

And are there certain things you always are sure that you keep in the car?

您是否始终确定将某些东西放在车内？

I have so many stuff.

我有这么多东西。

So organizer 101 is always have a portable charger, paper and pen.

因此，组织者 101 总是配有便携式充电器、纸和笔。

I have toothbrush, toothpaste-- peppermint, because I'm always talking to people.

我有牙刷、牙膏——薄荷味的，因为我总是和人说话。

I don't think-- I don't want to be known as the lady with the bad breath.

我不认为——我不想被称为有口臭的女士。

[LAUGHS] She can help you, but she has a bad breath.

[笑]她可以帮助你，但她有口臭。

I have deodorant, emergency change of clothes.

我有除臭剂、紧急换洗的衣服。

Because sometimes-- it's not on purpose, but I spend overnight.

因为有时——这不是故意的，但我会过夜。

Have you had to sleep overnight here, waiting for buses?

您是否不得不在这里过夜，等待公共汽车？

Yeah, I have.

是的，我有。

I have pillows.

我有枕头。

I have a blanket.

我有一条毯子。

When the very first bus arrived from Texas in August 2022, it was migrant aid groups like Adama's who got advance word that it was coming and greeted the bus-- not the city.

2022 年 8 月，当第一辆巴士从德克萨斯州抵达时，像阿达玛这样的移民援助组织提前得到消息并迎接巴士，而不是城市。

But soon enough, the city government got on board.

但很快，市政府也加入了进来。

Mayor Eric Adams showed up at the Port Authority to greet one of the buses, ready to prove that New York City is a city of immigrants that loves and welcomes immigrants.

市长埃里克·亚当斯出现在港务局迎接其中一辆巴士，准备证明纽约市是一个热爱并欢迎移民的移民城市。

I have to provide services for families that are here, and that's what we're going to do, and that's what our responsibility as a city-- I'm proud that this is a right-to-shelter state.

我必须为这里的家庭提供服务，这就是我们要做的，这就是我们作为一个城市的责任——我为这是一个拥有庇护权的州而感到自豪。

Right to shelter-- that means that New York City had to provide temporary housing to anyone who needs it.

庇护权——这意味着纽约市必须向任何有需要的人提供临时住房。

And the city took that seriously.

这座城市非常重视这一点。

They started to show up.

他们开始出现。

They set up operations.

他们开展业务。

And where did the city do its operation?

这座城市在哪里运作？

What was it?

那是什么？

Right through those doors.

就穿过那些门。

Ira Glass On that spot, the city would take people's names and information, and then send them on to shelters.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：在那个地点，市政府会记录人们的姓名和信息，然后将他们送往避难所。

Groups like Adama's would hand out food, clothing, toiletries.

像阿达玛这样的团体会分发食物、衣服和洗漱用品。

As word got out that New York City would house everyone who showed up, more and more people started arriving.

随着纽约市将容纳所有到场的人的消息传出，越来越多的人开始抵达。

Today, the 27,000 people that Governor Abbott sent are just a tiny portion of the 150,000 who've shown up on buses, trains, cars, and planes since the spring of 2022.

如今，自 2022 年春季以来，阿博特州长派出的 27,000 人只是乘坐公共汽车、火车、汽车和飞机的 15 万人中的一小部分。

New York City was not set up to help this many people this way.

纽约市的设立并不是为了以这种方式帮助这么多人。

The right to shelter was created for homeless men in the Bowery, not for thousands of new arrivals each week.

庇护所的权利是为包厘街的无家可归者设立的，而不是为每周数以千计的新来者设立的。

By this fall, it was costing the city $10 million a night, and the mayor completely changed his tune.

到今年秋天，该市每晚的花费已达 1000 万美元，市长彻底改变了态度。

Yes, New York loves immigrants, but not this many this fast, needing assistance.

是的，纽约喜欢移民，但没有那么多这么快需要援助的移民。

And the mayor became a kind of one-man unwelcome wagon, flying to Ecuador and Colombia and Mexico to hold press conferences saying, don't come to New York, declaring a state of emergency in the city, begging the federal government for help, which did not arrive.

而市长则变成了一辆不受欢迎的单人马车，飞往厄瓜多尔、哥伦比亚和墨西哥召开新闻发布会，说“不要来纽约”，宣布该市进入紧急状态，恳求联邦政府提供帮助，但没有到达。

By October of this year, the city had spent over $2 billion and opened over 200 emergency shelters.

截至今年 10 月，该市已花费超过 20 亿美元，开设了 200 多个紧急避难所。

It had cut the amount of time that immigrants could stay in a shelter from as long as they needed to 60 days for families and 30 days for individuals.

它将移民在避难所的停留时间从家庭需要的时间减少到 60 天，个人需要的时间减少到 30 天。

And finally, in October, New York went to court to change the law and suspend the right to shelter for the city.

最后，十月份，纽约诉至法院，要求修改法律并暂停该市的庇护权。

Mayor Adams started saying that migrants will be sleeping on the streets.

亚当斯市长开始表示移民将露宿街头。

It's not a question of if, but when.

这不是是否的问题，而是何时的问题。

This issue will destroy New York City, destroy New York City.

这个问题将摧毁纽约市，摧毁纽约市。

Every community in this city is going to be impacted.

这个城市的每个社区都将受到影响。

We have a $12 billion deficit that we're going to have to cut.

我们有 120 亿美元的赤字，我们必须削减它。

Every service in this city is going to be impacted, all of us.

这座城市的每一项服务都会受到影响，包括我们所有人。

Or maybe it's not quite that bad.

或者也许情况并没有那么糟糕。

The city's chief fiscal officer, the comptroller, says the mayor is overblowing the effects of the migrants on the city's budget.

该市首席财政官、主计长表示，市长夸大了移民对该市预算的影响。

And one political question in New York is whether the mayor is now scapegoating the migrants to push through budget cuts he'd hoped to do anyway.

纽约的一个政治问题是，市长现在是否在把移民当作替罪羊，以推动他本来希望实现的预算削减。

Though it is true that money is tight, one day, Adama says, city personnel just didn't show up at Port Authority anymore to greet immigrants.

阿达玛说，虽然资金确实很紧张，但有一天，城市工作人员不再出现在港务局迎接移民。

They just stopped.

他们就停了下来。

They didn't tell us that they were stopping.

他们没有告诉我们他们要停下来。

They-- the same day, they just told us they were closing operations.

他们——同一天，他们刚刚告诉我们他们将关闭业务。

They didn't give us a reason.

他们没有给我们理由。

They didn't give us-- they didn't work with us.

他们没有给我们——他们没有与我们合作。

They didn't give us a heads-up.

他们没有给我们任何提示。

They just shut it down.

他们只是将其关闭。

Which brings us to why Adama's here, where her kids are with her parents at home, sleeping.

这让我们明白了为什么阿达玛会在这里，她的孩子们和她的父母在家睡觉。

If she weren't here, this bus that's arriving from Texas would drop off a few dozen people in this alley between 41st and 42nd Street.

如果她不在这里，这辆从得克萨斯州来的公共汽车就会在 41 街和 42 街之间的这条小巷里放下几十个人。

A couple National Guardsmen would sleepily emerge from the car they're sitting in across the street and hand out an address to go to and a map.

几个国民警卫队士兵会睡眼惺忪地从街对面的车里出来，分发出要去的地址和地图。

And they'd have to make their way there on their own.

他们必须自己去那里。

The address is for the Roosevelt Hotel, which the city has set up as the intake center for migrants arriving in New York.

地址是罗斯福酒店，该市将其设置为抵达纽约的移民的接收中心。

20-minute walk from here, right through the center of Times Square.

从这里步行20分钟，穿过时代广场中心。

So we're here to welcome them, and then actually safely send them there.

所以我们在这里欢迎他们，然后将他们安全地送到那里。

Adama's organization partnered with another organization to hire a bus.

阿达玛的组织与另一个组织合作租用一辆巴士。

So what I'm going to do is put them in the bus and send them straight to the Roosevelt, and tell them, please give them food right now.

所以我要做的就是把他们送上巴士，直接送到罗斯福酒店，然后告诉他们，请立即给他们食物。

And then, they will give them sandwiches and water.

然后，他们会给他们三明治和水。

Yeah.

是的。

The other thing she's going to do is get on the bus and give them a little speech.

她要做的另一件事是上车给他们做一些演讲。

The bus driver will translate to Spanish.

巴士司机会翻译成西班牙语。

The speech is partly practical.

演讲部分是实用的。

She gives out a phone number they type in their cell phones for somebody they can call once they're in a shelter, to direct them to the services they need.

她给出了他们在手机中输入的电话号码，以便他们在到达避难所后可以拨打电话，引导他们获得所需的服务。

But also, she's doing this herself, the head of the organization in the middle of the night, bus after bus, because she thinks it's important that somebody says "welcome," just in some basic human way, to people who have come so far, full of worry and fear and hope.

而且，她自己，作为该组织的负责人，在半夜，乘坐一辆又一辆公共汽车，因为她认为有人以某种基本的人类方式对那些充满担忧、恐惧和希望的人们说“欢迎”是很重要的。

So as a former asylum seeker, I didn't get that welcome party.

因此，作为一名前寻求庇护者，我没有参加欢迎派对。

My parents didn't get that welcome party.

我的父母没有参加那个欢迎晚会。

So I am doing it for them.

所以我正在为他们做这件事。

But the thing you say is-- just so I understand, so the thing you're going to say is what?

但你说的是——据我了解，所以你要说的是什么呢？

Give me the speech.

给我演讲。

So the first step is "Bienvenidos a Nueva York.

所以第一步是“Bienvenidos a Nueva York”。

You are in New York City, in Manhattan, in Port Authority.

你在纽约市、曼哈顿、港务局。

We want to welcome you.

我们欢迎您。

We're going to count you, and we're going to put you in another bus and transport you to Roosevelt Hotel, where there's a bathroom, there's water, there's food, and there's Wi-Fi." The Wi-Fi always gets them.

我们会统计你的人数，然后把你安排到另一辆巴士上，然后把你送到罗斯福酒店，那里有浴室、水、食物和 Wi-Fi。” Wi-Fi 总是能吸引他们。

She tells them that her organization can help with clothing and legal aid and anything else they need help with.

她告诉他们，她的组织可以提供服装、法律援助以及他们需要帮助的任何其他方面的帮助。

And then we tell them, listen, this is a country of immigrants.

然后我们告诉他们，听着，这是一个移民国家。

I am an immigrant.

我是移民。

I am from Africa.

我来自非洲。

I am from Guinea.

我来自几内亚。

I'm an immigrant just like you.

我和你一样是移民。

I made it, and you will make it.

我成功了，你也会成功。

It's not easy in the beginning, but it will get better.

一开始并不容易，但会变得更好。

You're welcome here.

欢迎您来到这里。

No matter what anybody tells you, you have rights.

无论别人告诉你什么，你都有权利。

Practice those rights.

实践这些权利。

If you don't know what they are, we will tell you what they are.

如果您不知道它们是什么，我们会告诉您它们是什么。

And then, we let them out.

然后，我们把他们放了出来。

11:50.

11:50。

It should be pulling up.

应该会拉起来。

Do you want a peppermint?

你想要薄荷吗？

No?

没有？

Thanks.

谢谢。

We've been standing in the cold for over an hour.

我们已经在寒冷中站了一个多小时了。

Random people walk up to Adama to start conversations or ask for directions.

随机有人走到阿达玛那里开始交谈或问路。

She just seems like the kind of person you can do that with.

她看起来就是那种可以和你一起做这件事的人。

At around quarter past midnight, she reveals something that I can't believe I'm learning after standing there so long together.

午夜十五点左右，她透露了一些让我不敢相信自己在站了这么久之后学到的东西。

(LAUGHING) What?

（笑）什么？

Adama Bah This is my pajamas.

阿达玛·巴 这是我的睡衣。

Oh, my god.

哦，天啊。

It's true.

这是真的。

Those are checked, teal-and-navy pajamas.

这些是格子、蓝绿色和海军蓝的睡衣。

I know.

我知道。

And I was like, ah, I don't feel like dressing up.

我当时想，啊，我不想打扮。

OK, so you're wearing a maroon coat and teal-and-navy pajamas, dark-blue hijab, backpack--

好吧，你穿着栗色外套、蓝绿色和海军蓝睡衣、深蓝色头巾、背包——

Exactly.

正是如此。

Finally, more than an hour after that, 1:30 in the morning, the bus from Texas rolls up.

终于，一个多小时后，凌晨1点30分，从德克萨斯州来的巴士来了。

OK.

好的。

You cannot go inside, so you just have to wait here.

不能进去，只能在这里等。

The bus door opens.

公交车门打开。

She climbs the steps and stands at the front of the bus and makes her speech, which does the job.

她爬上台阶，站在公交车前部发表演讲，这完成了任务。

When everybody emerges from the bus after their three-day ride, they are not the exhausted, huddled masses that I expected they'd be.

当每个人结束三天的旅程后从公共汽车上走出来时，他们并不像我想象的那样疲惫不堪，挤在一起。

People are beaming, excited.

人们喜气洋洋，兴奋不已。

Some carry suitcases.

有些人带着行李箱。

Some carry plastic garbage bags filled with their stuff.

有些人拿着装满自己东西的塑料垃圾袋。

In my terrible high-school Spanish, I ask where they're from.

我用我糟糕的高中西班牙语问他们来自哪里。

And families look so happy when they answer.

当家人回答时，他们看起来很高兴。

Venezuela.

委内瑞拉。

Ira Glass Venezuela?

艾拉·格拉斯委内瑞拉？

De donde viene?

De donde viene？

They tell me they've been traveling for a month and a half, two months, three months.

他们告诉我他们已经旅行了一个半月、两个月、三个月。

It's a dangerous trip for many of them through the Darien Gap.

对于他们中的许多人来说，穿越达连峡谷是一次危险的旅程。

Most are from Venezuela, a lot of Colombia.

大多数来自委内瑞拉，还有很多来自哥伦比亚。

Plus, one family where the dad proudly shouted his answer like, I don't know about these people, but I definitely belong here.

另外，在一个家庭中，父亲自豪地喊出他的答案，就像，我不了解这些人，但我绝对属于这里。

De donde?

德东德？

Speaker 9 De Mexico!

发言人9德墨西哥！

Viva Mexico!

墨西哥万岁！

That guy has family in New York, who are on their way to come pick him up.

那家伙在纽约有家人，他们正在来接他的路上。

Most everybody else got into the other bus Adama arranged and headed over to the migrant welcome center at the Roosevelt Hotel, a once-glamorous 1,000-room behemoth that fills a block of 45th Street, a place where, back in the day, you might spot JFK or Eisenhower or Guy Lombardo, that is now the city's new Ellis Island, the entrance point.

大多数人都坐上了阿达玛安排的另一辆巴士，前往罗斯福酒店的移民欢迎中心，这家曾经辉煌的拥有 1,000 间客房的庞然大物，占据了第 45 街的一个街区，在过去，你可能会在这里看到肯尼迪、艾森豪威尔或盖伊·隆巴多，现在这里是该市新的埃利斯岛的入口点。

Salida por favor.

萨利达，谢谢。

Ira Glass Adama guides everyone off the bus into the lobby.

Ira Glass Adama 引导大家下车进入大厅。

None.

没有。

[LAUGHS] Ira Glass The welcome center at the Roosevelt Hotel is one part of the city's response.

[笑] Ira Glass 罗斯福酒店的迎宾中心是该市应对措施的一部分。

It's pretty well run.

它运行得很好。

They have legal services to help you apply for asylum.

他们提供法律服务来帮助您申请庇护。

There are free diapers and warm food.

有免费的尿布和热食。

They'll replace your meds.

他们会代替你的药物。

The city started doing this when a kid showed up whose meds for epilepsy had been seized by border patrol.

当一名孩子出现时，该市开始这样做，他的癫痫药物被边境巡逻队没收。

And from here, they'll send you to one of the over 200 shelters around the city, which are mostly not as nice as this.

从这里，他们会将您送往城市周围 200 多个避难所之一，其中大多数都没有这里那么好。

Some are in school gymnasiums, office buildings.

有的在学校体育馆、办公楼。

If you have family elsewhere in the country, there's a desk here where New York City will happily buy you a plane ticket to go live with them and not be New York's problem anymore.

如果您在国内其他地方有家人，这里有一张办公桌，纽约市会很乐意为您购买一张机票，与他们一起生活，而不再是纽约的问题。

1/4 of the arrivals take that option.

1/4 的抵达者选择了这种选择。

As this year ends, New York City is entering some new phase with this massive experiment at welcoming and providing services for so many new arrivals.

今年年底，纽约市正在进入一个新的阶段，通过这项大规模的实验来欢迎和为众多新来者提供服务。

It's put some 20,000 kids into schools.

它已让大约 20,000 名儿童进入学校。

It's housing right now 60,000 migrants.

目前这里容纳了 60,000 名移民。

Though in lots of ways, it has not gone so well, it hasn't put newcomers on a path to jobs and places to live.

尽管在很多方面进展并不顺利，但它并没有让新移民走上工作和居住的道路。

But has any American city ever done this much for new arrivals on this scale?

但还有哪个美国城市曾为如此规模的新移民做过如此多的事情呢？

Mayor Adams has pointed out some cities do nothing.

亚当斯市长指出，一些城市无所作为。

Texas, Governor Abbott, does nothing.

德克萨斯州州长阿博特什么也没做。

I was on the border in El Paso!

我当时在埃尔帕索边境！

I saw what happened with people and children and families sleeping in airports, sleeping on the street!

我看到人们、儿童和家庭睡在机场、睡在街上所发生的事情！

So don't critique what we've done!

所以不要批评我们所做的事情！

Don't tell us how we could have done it better!

不要告诉我们如何可以做得更好！

Our hearts are big, but our resources are not endless.

我们的心很大，但我们的资源却不是无穷无尽的。

The way goes New York goes America.

纽约之路通向美国。

And if we don't get it right in New York City, we're not going to get it right in America.

如果我们在纽约市做不好，我们在美国也不会做对。

Today on our show, we look at a city desperately trying to prove that it can be the sanctuary city it thinks it is.

今天在我们的节目中，我们看到一座城市拼命地试图证明它可以成为它认为的庇护城市。

We look at the messy, flawed, generous, impossible, vast New York migrant experiment, how it's going, where it works, and where it fails so badly that people have accused New York of deliberately doing horribly so immigrants decide not to stay in the city, what it's like to arrive here and make your way right now in New York.

我们关注混乱、有缺陷、慷慨、不可能、庞大的纽约移民实验，它是如何进行的，它在哪里起作用，以及它在哪里失败得如此严重以至于人们指责纽约故意做得很糟糕，让移民决定不再留在这座城市，以及到达这里并现在在纽约闯荡的感觉如何。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act 1, No Sleep Till Brooklyn.

第一幕，布鲁克林之前不睡觉。

So let's start with what's probably the most difficult thing New York City has faced with these new migrants-- figuring out where to house them.

那么，让我们从纽约市面对这些新移民最困难的事情开始——弄清楚在哪里安置他们。

It's hard to find appropriate spaces.

很难找到合适的空间。

And some neighborhoods really don't want them.

有些社区确实不想要它们。

Shut it down!

关掉它！

Shut it down!

关掉它！

Woman Send them back home!

女人送他们回家！

Shut it down!

关掉它！

Ira Glass This is Staten Island, living up to every stereotype New Yorkers have about Staten Island when a migrant shelter got put there.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 这就是史坦顿岛，当移民庇护所建在那里时，纽约人对史坦顿岛的每一个刻板印象都得到了满足。

There have also been protests in Brooklyn and Queens.

布鲁克林和皇后区也发生了抗议活动。

With that in mind, the city opened up a new facility a month ago that the mayor said was chosen to be, quote, "the least intrusive as possible to current residents, while also being as humane as possible to migrants."

考虑到这一点，该市在一个月前开设了一个新设施，市长表示，选择该设施是为了“对现有居民的干扰尽可能最小，同时对移民也尽可能人道”。

It is not in a building.

它不在建筑物内。

It's four massive tents that, together, can house 2,000 people at a place called Floyd Bennett Field.

这是位于弗洛伊德·贝内特球场 (Floyd Bennett Field) 的四个巨大帐篷，总共可容纳 2,000 人。

One of our producers, Valerie Kipnis, visited right after it opened.

我们的制作人之一瓦莱丽·基普尼斯 (Valerie Kipnis) 在开业后立即前来参观。

When I first heard that Floyd Bennett Field was going to be the city's newest migrant center, it struck me, because I knew exactly where it was-- in the middle of nowhere.

当我第一次听说弗洛伊德·贝内特机场将成为该市最新的移民中心时，我震惊了，因为我确切地知道它在哪里——在一个偏僻的地方。

And I can say that with some degree of certainty, because I grew up in the same middle of nowhere-- or at least close by.

我可以在某种程度上肯定地说，因为我是在同样偏僻的地方长大的——或者至少是在附近。

It's called Floyd Bennett Field.

它叫弗洛伊德·贝内特球场。

But to me, it's always been the abandoned airport, slash place with the massive ice hockey rink, slash random chunk of land you pass just before Rockaway Beach.

但对我来说，它一直是废弃的机场，有巨大冰球场的地方，在洛克威海滩前随意经过的一块土地。

It's right on the water.

它就在水面上。

There's not a lot of streetlights or ways to get there, unless you're in a car or on a bike.

除非您开车或骑自行车，否则没有太多路灯或到达那里的方式。

And if you're driving around at night, it feels like you're in the middle of the woods, not New York City.

如果您晚上开车四处走动，感觉就像您身处树林之中，而不是纽约市。

I wondered what it was like to get sent there as someone brand new to the city.

我想知道作为一个刚来到这座城市的人被送到那里是什么感觉。

So I went out with Jika Gonzalez.

所以我和吉卡·冈萨雷斯出去了。

She's a reporter I've worked with before, who covers immigration.

她是我以前合作过的一位记者，负责报道移民问题。

We arrived at around dusk.

我们是在黄昏时分到达的。

There was the faint glow of cop cars near a massive encampment lit up by fluorescent lights.

在荧光灯照亮的巨大营地附近，警车发出微弱的光芒。

And there were the tents, surrounded by a giant metal fence and security guards.

还有帐篷，周围有巨大的金属栅栏和保安。

Jika and I arrived unannounced, hoping to talk to people hanging out around the shelter.

吉卡和我未经事先通知就到达了，希望能与在避难所周围闲逛的人们交谈。

But that night was actually so cold that there was basically no one outside, except for this one group of adults with some kids.

但那天晚上其实很冷，外面基本上没有人，除了这一群大人带着一些孩子。

The kids wore blankets over their heads, trailing on the ground behind them, cute, but cold, like little ghosts.

孩子们头上盖着毯子，拖在身后的地上，可爱却又冰冷，就像小鬼一样。

And actually, they were on their way out, in a rush.

事实上，他们正在匆忙地出去。

Hola, que tal?

你好，怎么样？

Valerie Kipnis Why are you leaving here right now?

瓦莱丽·基普尼斯 你为什么现在要离开这里？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Rafael Nos estamos yendo de nuevo a la 45.

[说西班牙语] Rafael Nos estamos Yando de nuevo a la 45。

Trying to go to 45th Street.

试图去45街。

Child [SPEAKING SPANISH]

儿童 [说西班牙语]

What's on 45th Street?

45街有什么？

Jika Gonzalez Qué hay en la

吉卡·冈萨雷斯 Qué hay en la

Valerie Kipnis The Roosevelt Hotel, back to the welcome center.

Valerie Kipnis 罗斯福酒店，回到迎宾中心。

The little girl's name is Karlina, but she goes by Karli.

这个小女孩的名字叫卡琳娜，但她的昵称是卡莉。

She's eight, has big-sister energy, pigtails that some wisps of hair have escaped from.

她八岁了，有着大姐姐般的活力，扎着辫子，几缕头发都脱落了。

She rocks back and forth from heel to toe as she talks.

她说话时从脚跟到脚趾来回摇晃。

Her family arrived here only a few hours ago.

她的家人几个小时前才抵达这里。

And now, they're leaving, because this place isn't what they thought it would be.

现在，他们要离开了，因为这个地方不是他们想象的那样。

iban a mandar para un hotel y no era un hotel.

iban a mandar para un hotel y noera un hotel。

Mira es una--un acampamento donde estamos todos durmiendo en camillas pues, entonces nosotros también necesitamos una privacidad para los niños.

Mira es una--un acampamento donde estamos todos durmiendo en camillas pues, entonces nosotros también necesitamos una privacidad para los niños.

Si me entiende?

是我吗？

"They said they were going to send us to a hotel, but it wasn't a hotel.

“他们说要送我们去一家酒店，但那不是酒店。

It's a campsite," says one of the men, "where we're all sleeping on cots.

这是一个露营地，”其中一名男子说道，“我们都睡在小床上。

And we need our privacy for the kids.

我们需要保护孩子们的隐私。

You understand?

你明白吗？

And the bathrooms-- they're not in the main tent.

还有浴室——它们不在主帐篷里。

You have to go outside to use them."

你必须到外面去使用它们。”

Sometime along the way, they began to wonder about public transportation.

一路上的某个时候，他们开始想知道公共交通。

How are the kids going to get to school from here?

孩子们从这里怎么去学校？

The closest train station is over 4 miles away.

最近的火车站距离酒店超过 4 英里。

Rafael, Karlina's dad, is like, how will I find work from here?

卡琳娜的父亲拉斐尔问，我如何从这里找到工作？

Entonces por una de esas cosas que nosotros buscamos refugio aquí para luego nosotros empezar a trabajar.

为了让我们的巴斯卡莫斯避难所能够成为一个特拉巴哈人。

Ganar nuestro dinero como ustedes también los Americanos.

Ganar nuestro dinero como ustedes también los Americanos。

"That's why we're looking for shelter, so that way, we can start working, earning our own money, like you.

“这就是我们寻找庇护所的原因，这样我们就可以像你一样开始工作，自己赚钱。

That way, we can rent a house and take care of our expenses, you understand?

这样我们就可以租房子了，自己的开支也可以解决，明白吗？

They told us we were coming to a hotel, but then suddenly, when we were on the way here, we realized that this is like a desert, an island in the middle of nowhere."

他们告诉我们我们要去一家酒店，但当我们在来这里的路上时，我们突然意识到这里就像一片沙漠，一座荒无人烟的岛屿。”

The city says it shows people photos of the tents and maps of where they'll be going.

该市表示，它会向人们展示帐篷的照片以及他们将要去的地方的地图。

But I later talked to other people here, and no one I spoke to had been shown photos.

但后来我和这里的其他人交谈时，没有人向我交谈过的人展示过照片。

Lots of them were surprised when they arrived.

当他们到达时，很多人都感到惊讶。

Karlina, her dad, Rafael, and the whole family, basically, as soon as they arrived, started thinking, we can't stay here.

卡琳娜、她的父亲、拉斐尔和整个家庭，基本上，他们一到达，就开始想，我们不能留在这里。

There has to be something else.

一定还有别的东西。

Rafael seemed determined.

拉斐尔似乎下定了决心。

He wanted to talk to the person who assigned them here, someone at the Roosevelt Hotel on 45th Street.

他想和指派他们来这里的人谈谈，那个人在 45 街的罗斯福酒店。

They needed to get back.

他们需要回来。

This group-- turns out there are two families from Venezuela, the capital, Caracas.

这群人——原来是来自委内瑞拉首都加拉加斯的两个家庭。

A mom named Daniela, her husband Rafael, also her brother Roni and his family, and two other guys who they met along the way.

一位名叫丹妮拉（Daniela）的母亲，她的丈夫拉斐尔（Rafael），还有她的兄弟罗尼（Roni）和他的家人，以及他们一路上遇到的另外两个人。

Consider their journey up to this point, the one that got them to these giant tents in the middle of an abandoned airfield.

考虑一下他们到目前为止的旅程，就是将他们带到废弃机场中央的这些巨型帐篷的旅程。

They left Caracas in late summer, and for three months, made their way through Central America to Mexico, to Piedras Negras, and then into Texas.

他们在夏末离开加拉加斯，用了三个月的时间穿过中美洲到达墨西哥，到达彼德拉斯内格拉斯，然后到达德克萨斯州。

After they crossed, they were offered a choice of three buses-- Chicago, Denver, or New York.

过境后，他们可以选择三种巴士——芝加哥、丹佛或纽约。

They knew Venezuelans in New York City who said they could get help here, that the kids could go to school, that the adults could find work.

他们认识纽约市的委内瑞拉人，他们说他们可以在这里获得帮助，孩子们可以上学，成年人可以找到工作。

So they chose New York.

所以他们选择了纽约。

Decidimos venirnos para acá, pero resulta que aquí ahora nos salieron con otra cosa.

决定最后一次，但结果却是这样。

Daniela, Karli's mom, says they were told they'd get a place to live for two months.

卡莉的妈妈丹妮拉说，他们被告知将找到一个可以住两个月的地方。

"We could rest and look for work to move forward, you understand?

“我们可以休息并寻找工作来继续前进，你明白吗？

So we decided to come to New York, because we'd get help here.

所以我们决定来纽约，因为我们可以在这里得到帮助。

But here, it is something else.

但在这里，却是另一回事了。

Here has been confusing."

这里一直很混乱。”

You arrive at the Roosevelt Hotel in the middle of the city, with a warm lobby, the breakfast, the bag check, the shelter assignment, the moment of stillness after months of chaos.

你到达市中心的罗斯福酒店，大厅温馨，早餐，行李托运，住所分配，几个月的混乱之后的片刻宁静。

And then, you get put on this bus, and it starts driving you away from the place you've been imagining, away from all the skyscrapers.

然后，你上了这辆公共汽车，它开始开车带你离开你一直想象的地方，远离所有的摩天大楼。

And suddenly, you're in this other place, far away from the crowds of Grand Central.

突然间，您就来到了另一个地方，远离了中央车站的人群。

And then, you get off the bus, and you're processed in a place that looks very much like a tent.

然后，你下了车，你就会在一个看起来非常像帐篷的地方接受治疗。

Because it is a tent.

因为它是一个帐篷。

It is something else.

这是另外一回事。

So the family had decided to leave and somehow try to make it back to 45th Street.

因此，一家人决定离开，并设法回到 45 街。

The only way out seemed to be a city bus in a kind of parking lot.

唯一的出路似乎是在停车场乘坐城市公交车。

The neon sign scrolling across its front read "not in service." There was a man nearby in a Transit Authority uniform with a walkie talkie who seemed stressed out by the whole situation.

其正面滚动的霓虹灯标牌上写着“不在服务中”。附近有一名穿着交通局制服、拿着对讲机的男子，他似乎对整个情况感到压力很大。

I got, like, 15 people here that wants to get on the bus, but none of them speak English.

我这里大概有 15 个人想要上车，但他们都不会说英语。

I can't figure out where they want to go.

我不知道他们想去哪里。

I cannot go off route, right?

我不能偏离路线，对吗？

While he's talking, he starts walking towards the parked bus.

当他说话的时候，他开始朝停着的公共汽车走去。

So the group decides they better follow him.

因此，小组决定最好跟随他。

They have almost no belongings, just a few plastic bags of stuff.

他们几乎没有任何物品，只有几个塑料袋的东西。

The kids run ahead.

孩子们跑在前面。

Bye!

再见！

Bye!

再见！

Bye-bye!

再见！

Ciao!

再见！

Valerie Kipnis The kids climb onto the bus, go to the back.

瓦莱丽·基普尼斯 孩子们爬上公共汽车，走到后面。

Some of them lay down.

其中一些人躺下了。

They look exhausted, sleepy.

他们看起来很疲惫，很困。

The adults have no idea what's going on, where the bus is going or anything.

大人们不知道发生了什么事，也不知道公共汽车要去哪里或者其他什么。

They crowd near the entrance of the bus.

他们聚集在公交车入口附近。

There's another bus driver already on board.

车上已经有另一名公交车司机了。

The bus driver with the walkie talkie gets on as well.

拿着对讲机的公交车司机也上车了。

Neither of them speak Spanish.

他们都不会说西班牙语。

It falls to Jika to translate for them.

吉卡（Jika）为他们翻译。

Sir?

先生？

Sorry, they're just asking me where the bus is taking them.

抱歉，他们只是问我公交车要带他们去哪里。

It's really unclear what's happening.

确实不清楚发生了什么。

I later learned that this is a new bus the city set up to shuttle people from the shelter to a subway station.

后来我才知道，这是该市新设立的一辆公交车，用于将人们从避难所运送到地铁站。

But at this moment, in the first days of the shelter's operation, the driver seems a bit unsure about where he's going.

但此时此刻，在避难所运营的第一天，司机似乎有点不确定自己要去哪里。

He starts looking through his paperwork.

他开始查看他的文件。

Yes, Coney Island.

是的，康尼岛。

Coney Island is not near 45th Street in the center of Manhattan.

康尼岛并不靠近曼哈顿市中心的 45 街。

It's in the opposite direction.

这是相反的方向。

So it's going to Coney Island by the train.

所以坐火车去康尼岛。

So you're only taking them to the train station?

所以你只是带他们去火车站？

Correct.

正确的。

Valerie Kipnis What if they want to go to the-- I think they're trying to go to the Roosevelt Hotel on 45th Street.

Valerie Kipnis：如果他们想去 - 我想他们正试图去 45 街的罗斯福酒店。

I can't go off route.

我不能偏离路线。

Valerie Kipnis Oh.

瓦莱丽·基普尼斯 哦。

That's my instructions.

这是我的指示。

Jika Gonzalez I'm going to translate for them, is that OK?

Jika Gonzalez 我要为他们做翻译，可以吗？

Ustedes están en una parte de Nueva York.

我们是新约克的一员。

Nueva York se llama Brooklyn.

新约克美洲驼布鲁克林。

Y donde ustedes quieren ir es en Manhattan.

Y donde ustedes quieren ir es en 曼哈顿。

Son como dos condados diferentes.

儿子是不同的。

Haz de cuenta.

Haz de Cuenta。

Aquí se llaman boroughs.

阿奎塞拉曼行政区。

Jika's trying her best to explain to them in Spanish what he means.

吉卡尽力用西班牙语向他们解释他的意思。

She's like, you're in a part of New York that is called Brooklyn, and where you're trying to go is Manhattan.

她说，你在纽约的一个叫做布鲁克林的地方，而你想去的地方是曼哈顿。

It's two different counties.

这是两个不同的县。

They're called boroughs here.

他们在这里被称为行政区。

They ask Jika, how are we supposed to transfer or pay for a train?

他们问吉卡，我们应该如何换乘或支付火车费用？

We just got to the city.

我们刚到城里。

We have no money.

我们没有钱。

The family keeps asking to go to 45th Street, the same way they got here, and the driver keeps repeating he can't go off route, that he can only take them to Coney Island, nowhere near where they want to go.

这家人一直要求去45街，就像他们到达这里一样，司机一直重复他不能偏离路线，他只能带他们去康尼岛，离他们想去的地方很远。

The bus driver with the walkie talkie steps out, takes a call, and then comes back.

拿着对讲机的公交车司机走出去，接听电话，然后回来。

Says maybe he could find someone at the subway station to help the family out.

说也许他可以在地铁站找人来帮助这家人摆脱困境。

But it'll be a long trip, a bus ride to Coney Island, then, like, an hour on the subway back to 42nd Street.

但这将是一段漫长的旅程，先乘公共汽车到康尼岛，然后坐一个小时的地铁回到 42 街。

They're just skeptical about if anybody's actually going to help them or not, because they feel like they were already not really helped, and that nobody speaks Spanish, and that it's very confusing.

他们只是怀疑是否有人真的会帮助他们，因为他们觉得自己已经没有得到真正的帮助，而且没有人会说西班牙语，这非常令人困惑。

[SPEAKING SPANISH]

[说西班牙语]

Parece mentira, son mentiras de ellos.

帕雷塞·门蒂拉，门蒂拉斯·德埃洛斯之子。

Ellos nos bajan ahi y siguen su camino.

Ellos nos bajan ahi y siguen su camino。

Eso ya nos lo hicieron ya.

Eso ya nos lo hicieron ya。

"They'll just drop us off there and go on with their day," Roni says.

“他们会把我们送到那里，然后继续他们的一天，”罗尼说。

"They did that to us already." Walkie talkie dude goes out again and comes back with a solution.

“他们已经这样对我们了。”对讲机老兄再次出去并带来了解决方案。

He's found a dispatcher at Coney Island who speaks Spanish.

他在科尼岛找到了一位会说西班牙语的调度员。

He's going to open the gate, let them in, and direct them to the right train.

他将打开大门，让他们进去，并引导他们乘坐正确的火车。

He's going to speak Spanish to them and show them how to go.

他将向他们讲西班牙语并告诉他们如何走。

He told me it's easy, just D train straight.

他告诉我这很简单，直接D训练就可以了。

So just one train, that's it.

所以只要一趟车就够了。

He's going to announce-- he's going to take the train from there, and the dispatcher speaks Spanish.

他要宣布——他要从那里乘火车，调度员会说西班牙语。

So he's going to get them on.

所以他要让他们穿上。

Jika turns and translates.

Jika 转身翻译。

You can see the adults start to relax a little.

你可以看到大人们开始放松一点。

So maybe it'll work out?

那么也许会成功？

It's as if the entire system relies on the kindness of strangers, as if it works by coincidence, not design, coincidence that someone here speaks Spanish to translate, coincidence that the bus driver is kind and willing to find a Spanish speaker at the next point in their journey.

就好像整个系统依赖于陌生人的善意，好像它的运作是巧合，而不是设计，巧合的是这里有人会说西班牙语翻译，巧合的是公交车司机很友善并且愿意在旅程的下一站找到一个讲西班牙语的人。

Hopefully, that guy can help them get on the train to 42nd Street.

希望那个人能帮助他们登上开往 42 街的火车。

And hopefully, at that station, someone can direct them to the hotel.

希望在那个车站有人可以引导他们前往酒店。

For Roni, it all seemed like a very long way to get back to where they had just been.

对于罗尼来说，要回到原来的地方似乎还有很长的路要走。

Como que dice nos mintieron o nos mandaron acá como con un cómo va un como con una cabaña?

Como que dice nos mintieron or nos mandaron acá como con un cómo va un como con una cabaña？

Si ellos no dicen desde un principio, van para un lado, nosotros tomamos la decisión desde allá mismo.

如果没有原则性的决定，我们会做出所有错误的决定。

"They sent us here to some sort of camp.

“他们把我们送到这里某种营地。

If they had said that from the beginning, we would not have decided to come." Jika asks, "What if this was the only option?

如果他们从一开始就这么说，我们就不会决定来。” Jika 问道：“如果这是唯一的选择怎么办？

Would you stay here?"

你愿意留在这里吗？”

Pero Si esta fuera la única opción, se quedarían aquí?

如果您有任何选择，您可以这样做吗？

A city spokesperson told me that you can't choose a shelter.

一位市政府发言人告诉我，你无法选择庇护所。

You get one assigned.

你会被分配一个。

And if you don't want to stay there, then you're on your own.

如果你不想留在那里，那你就得靠自己了。

Si es esto?

是这样吗？

o la calle?

奥拉卡勒？

Valerie Kipnis Jessica asks, "And if it was this or the streets?"

瓦莱丽·基普尼斯·杰西卡问道：“是这里还是街道？”

Ahí vemos como buscmaos de repente hay más ayuda por ahí ,caminando se encuentra más ayuda.

啊，我要悔改，我要悔改，我要悔改，我要悔改。

"We'd figure it out.

“我们会想办法的。

Maybe walking around, we'll find help."

也许四处走走，我们会找到帮助。”

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Jika Gonzalez He's saying, at what time is the bus leaving here?

[西班牙语] Jika Gonzalez 他说，公共汽车什么时候离开这里？

Tell them I'm going to be at the turnaround.

告诉他们我会及时赶到。

He's going to be there waiting for you.

他会在那里等你。

I already told them.

我已经告诉他们了。

He's looking for you.

他正在找你。

OK?

好的？

Thank you.

谢谢。

Thank you, sir.

谢谢您，先生。

And with that, they left.

说完，他们就离开了。

We texted a bit when they got back to the Roosevelt, but then we stopped hearing from them.

当他们回到罗斯福酒店时，我们发了一些短信，但后来就再也没有收到他们的消息了。

I think maybe they got a new SIM card.

我想也许他们换了一张新的 SIM 卡。

Jika went there a few days later but couldn't find them.

几天后吉卡去了那里，但没有找到他们。

I went back to Floyd Bennett Field to see if I could find them, but no luck.

我回到弗洛伊德·贝内特球场看看是否能找到他们，但没有运气。

Valerie Kipnis is a producer on our show.

瓦莱丽·基普尼斯 (Valerie Kipnis) 是我们节目的制片人。

She reported this with help from Jika Gonzalez.

她在吉卡·冈萨雷斯的帮助下报告了这一情况。

Act 2, 150 Days of Bummer.

第二幕，150 天的无赖。

So the city's plan for all these new migrants is that they get out of the shelters and find their own places to live, which means making money so they can pay for that place to live.

因此，该市对所有这些新移民的计划是，让他们走出庇护所，找到自己的居住地，这意味着赚钱，以便他们可以支付居住地的费用。

And there's the rub.

这就是问题所在。

Most asylum seekers can't work legally when they first arrive, so they have to figure something out.

大多数寻求庇护者在刚抵达时无法合法工作，因此他们必须想出办法。

One of our producers, Diane Wu, met somebody in that situation.

我们的一位制片人 Diane Wu 就遇到过这样的人。

I met Shakrood outside a city office on a rainy day, while he was making a last attempt to get shelter.

一个雨天，我在市政府办公室外遇见了沙克鲁德，当时他正在做最后一次避难的尝试。

He was taking a smoke break while he waited for the verdict inside.

他一边抽烟一边休息，在里面等待判决。

So much of this whole experience is about waiting.

整个经历的大部分内容都是关于等待。

I asked him a kind of throwaway question I was asking everyone.

我问了他一个我问过所有人的一次性问题。

What was your first day in New York like?

你到纽约的第一天怎么样？

Like it's-- in our country, we say "Subhanallah."

就像在我们国家一样，我们说“Subhanallah”。

"Subhanallah." It's a phrase in Arabic.

“苏巴哈安拉。”这是阿拉伯语中的一个短语。

I looked it up later.

我后来查了一下。

It means something like, "Wow, praise God and this incredible thing he made."

它的意思是，“哇，赞美上帝和他创造的这个令人难以置信的东西。”

Yeah.

是的。

Diane Wu Shakrood-- that's not his real name, by the way.

黛安·吴·沙克鲁德（Diane Wu Shakrood）——顺便说一句，这不是他的真名。

We're choosing to protect his identity.

我们选择保护他的身份。

He's from Mauritania.

他来自毛里塔尼亚。

He's 23.

他23岁了。

He was a student there, studying bancassurance, which-- I had to look that up, too-- something to do with banks and insurance.

他是那里的一名学生，学习银行保险，这——我也得查一下——与银行和保险有关。

Shakrood's first language is Arabic.

沙克鲁德的第一语言是阿拉伯语。

English is his third.

英语是他的第三个。

And he started learning it in July of this year.

他是从今年7月开始学习的。

July-- that was five months ago.

七月——那是五个月前的事了。

Can you believe that?

你能相信吗？

I studied in my country.

我在我的国家学习过。

Diane Wu Like in school?

吴黛安 喜欢在学校吗？

No, no. In my phone.

不，不。在我的手机里。

Diane Wu In your phone?

吴黛安 在你的手机里吗？

Yeah.

是的。

Diane Wu He found a YouTube channel and watched it basically non-stop for a week, then found an app to practice on.

Diane Wu He找到了一个YouTube频道，基本上不间断地观看了一周，然后找到了一个应用程序来练习。

His teenage sister teased him about it, that that was no way to learn a language.

他十几岁的妹妹取笑他，说那不是学习语言的方法。

But apparently, it was.

但显然，确实如此。

Shakrood is Black.

沙克鲁德是黑人。

And part of the reason he left Mauritania was to escape racial discrimination there.

他离开毛里塔尼亚的部分原因是为了逃避那里的种族歧视。

He arrived in New York in late August and was assigned to a shelter on 31st Street that got shut down in October because of the fire code.

他于 8 月下旬抵达纽约，并被分配到第 31 街的一个避难所，该避难所于 10 月因消防法规而被关闭。

The city moved him to a new shelter, which also got shut down a few weeks later, which is how he ended up at this office today-- to apply for a new bed.

市政府把他转移到了一个新的避难所，几周后该避难所也被关闭，这就是他今天来到这个办公室申请新床位的原因。

He told me he'd been sleeping on the streets for a couple of days, spending the nights in an African restaurant near Penn Station that was open late, and in the tiny mosque in the restaurant's basement.

他告诉我，他已经睡在街上好几天了，晚上在宾夕法尼亚车站附近的一家营业到很晚的非洲餐厅以及餐厅地下室的小清真寺里过夜。

Shakrood finishes his cigarette and goes inside to check if there's a bed for him or not-- comes out with bad news.

沙克鲁德抽完烟，进去查看是否有床位，结果带来了坏消息。

They couldn't find any place for us.

他们找不到我们的地方。

We have to go.

我们得走了。

Did they give you a reason?

他们给你理由了吗？

Shakrood They said it's because it's raining right now, and all shelter is full.

沙克鲁德：他们说这是因为现在正在下雨，所有避难所都住满了。

The shelter all is full.

避难所全部满了。

But we can't complain, you know.

但我们不能抱怨，你知道。

We can't complain.

我们不能抱怨。

OK.

好的。

Well, good luck.

好吧，祝你好运。

I'm going to text you later, see how it goes.

稍后我会发短信给你，看看进展如何。

OK.

好的。

Nice to meet you today.

很高兴今天认识你。

Nice to meet you, too.

我也很高兴见到你。

Diane Wu I found Shakrood again a week later, and I was surprised and relieved to hear that a day or two after we first met, he'd found a place to stay.

一周后，我再次找到了沙克鲁德，得知我们第一次见面一两天后，他就找到了住处，我感到既惊讶又松了一口气。

The friendly owner of a smoke shop near his old shelter heard that Shakrood had been on the street in the cold and said he wanted to help him out.

他以前的住所附近一家烟店的友好老板听说沙克鲁德在寒冷中流落街头，并说他想帮助他。

He had an empty space that he rented to Shakrood and two of his friends-- not a real apartment, more like a basement-- two rooms and a bathroom for $1,600 a month, around $500 a person.

他租了一个空地给沙克鲁德和他的两个朋友——不是真正的公寓，更像是地下室——有两个房间和一间浴室，每月租金 1,600 美元，每人大约 500 美元。

Their first night in the new place-- the three of them had been so excited to finally have their own spot that they stayed up all night, talking about how to make it perfect.

来到新地方的第一个晚上——终于有了自己的住处，三人兴奋不已，彻夜未眠，讨论着如何让它变得完美。

They decided to get a special tea set from Mauritania.

他们决定从毛里塔尼亚购买一套特殊的茶具。

All of this is basically what the city wants-- for people to find their way out of the shelters and out into the world.

所有这一切基本上都是这座城市想要的——让人们找到走出庇护所、走向世界的出路。

But once you do that, there's rent to pay.

但一旦你这样做了，就需要支付租金。

And Shakrood can't legally work, because he's an asylum seeker.

沙克鲁德无法合法工作，因为他是一名寻求庇护者。

And asylum seekers have to wait 150 days after they file for asylum, before they can even apply for working permission.

寻求庇护者在申请庇护后必须等待 150 天，然后才能申请工作许可。

This specific waiting period was invented by the federal government in the '90s to discourage people from using asylum claims as a way to get work authorization.

这个特定的等待期是联邦政府在上世纪 90 年代发明的，目的是阻止人们利用庇护申请来获得工作授权。

Yeah, it's, uh-- like-- it's-- there is no big deal, because they-- every country has stuff to do with--

是的，呃——就像——这没什么大不了的，因为他们——每个国家都有事要做——

These rules?

这些规则？

Shakrood Yeah.

沙克鲁德 是的。

But, like, 150 days-- it's a long time.

但是，就像 150 天一样——这是一段很长的时间。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

The mayor of New York, and other mayors, have been yelling at the federal government to change this.

纽约市长和其他市长一直在呼吁联邦政府改变这一现状。

Like, we cannot help all these people get on their feet if you let them into the country but then don't let them work for six months.

就像，如果你让这些人进入这个国家，但然后六个月内不让他们工作，我们就无法帮助所有这些人站起来。

Because Shakrood can't get a job legally, he's had to look for one under the table.

由于沙克鲁德无法合法找到工作，他不得不私下寻找一份工作。

He started right when he first got here in August.

当他八月份第一次来到这里时，他就开始了。

He didn't have any connections in New York, so his initial strategy was this.

他在纽约没有任何关系，所以他最初的策略是这样的。

He just got up one day and started walking in and out of stores and restaurants, asking for work, all over the city.

有一天，他刚起床，就开始在整个城市的商店和餐馆里进进出出，寻找工作。

I go to the Queens, Brooklyn, someplace-- I don't know even its name.

我去了皇后区、布鲁克林的某个地方——我什至不知道它的名字。

So you would walk-- you just walk in and what would you say?

所以你会走进去，你会说什么？

What would happen?

会发生什么？

I just go inside the store or the building and say, hi, make a conversation like this.

我只是走进商店或大楼里说，嗨，进行这样的对话。

Say, hi, How's it going?

说，嗨，怎么样？

And ask him that I'm looking for work, I'm looking for a job.

还问他我在找工作，我在找工作。

Some people ask, what kind of job you like?

有人问，你喜欢什么样的工作？

I say, I don't have a specific-- everything, like dishwasher, stocker, cashier.

我说，我没有特定的一切，比如洗碗机、储物柜、收银台。

Everything, I can do it.

一切，我都可以做到。

Some people say, no, we are not hiring right now.

有些人说，不，我们现在不招聘。

Some people say to write my name-- my name and my number, and they will call me.

有些人说写下我的名字——我的名字和我的电话号码，他们就会打电话给我。

OK.

好的。

Shakrood Yeah.

沙克鲁德 是的。

I write my name and my number and go.

我写下我的名字和电话号码就走了。

Yeah.

是的。

And how many hours each day would you spend looking for jobs?

您每天会花多少小时找工作？

Yeah.

是的。

Diane Wu Just walking around, going into every shop and being like, I'm looking for work?

Diane Wu 只是到处走走，走进每家商店，然后说，我在找工作？

Yeah.

是的。

I think seven-- seven, six hours a day.

我想每天七、七、六个小时。

He went to so many places, that sometimes he'd accidentally go back to the same one without realizing it.

他去了很多地方，有时不知不觉间又回到了同一个地方。

They say, you asked us before.

他们说，你之前问过我们。

Yeah, I say sorry.

是的，我说对不起。

Yeah, it's very funny.

是的，这很有趣。

There was one golden job that didn't seem to require work permission.

有一项黄金工作似乎不需要工作许可。

But there was another reason Shakrood couldn't do it.

但沙克鲁德无法做到这一点还有另一个原因。

I find only one work, but it's for-- with alcohol.

我只找到一件作品，但它是关于酒精的。

With alcohol.

用酒精。

Shakrood had wandered into a bar, thinking it was a restaurant, and they were hiring somebody to help stock the alcohol.

沙克鲁德走进一家酒吧，以为那是一家餐馆，他们正在雇人帮忙储存酒。

But Shakrood's Muslim, and for him, it's forbidden to drink or work with alcohol.

但沙克鲁德是穆斯林，对他来说，喝酒或带着酒精工作是被禁止的。

And he tell me that he needs somebody to be a stocker.

他告诉我他需要有人担任库存员。

And he tried to make me to do this.

他试图让我这样做。

He said he will pay $4,000.

他说他将支付4,000美元。

OK.

好的。

And what did you say?

你说什么？

Shakrood Yeah, I said it's a good salary, but not for me.

Shakrood：是的，我说过这是一份不错的薪水，但对我来说不是。

Mm-hmm.

嗯嗯。

Shakrood Yeah, I cannot do this.

沙克鲁德 是的，我不能这么做。

He say, why?

他说，为什么？

I said, because I'm Muslim.

我说，因为我是穆斯林。

He said, yes, that is not a big deal there, because there is a people Muslim drinks.

他说，是的，那没什么大不了的，因为那里的人都是穆斯林喝酒的。

I said, not me.

我说，不是我。

Yeah.

是的。

That was the one job you found, and you couldn't do it?

那是你找到的一份工作，但你却做不到？

It's only the job I have.

这只是我的工作。

I find it, but I couldn't do it.

我找到了，但我做不到。

Diane Wu Shakrood ran this grueling and fruitless job hunt for around 20 days, then gave up.

黛安·吴·沙克鲁德 (Diane Wu Shakrood) 进行了大约 20 天的艰苦而又毫无结果的求职工作，然后放弃了。

It was the worst part of his time in New York, he told me-- worse than having nowhere to sleep.

他告诉我，这是他在纽约度过的最糟糕的时光——比无处睡觉更糟糕。

After that, he had a month where he was just kind of adrift, staying in the shelter, spending his days riding the subway with a friend, getting off at random stops.

在那之后的一个月里，他有点漂泊不定，呆在避难所里，和朋友一起乘坐地铁，在随机的车站下车。

He also had a brief diversion into dating, which he told me about kind of bashfully and proudly at the same time.

他还曾短暂地进行过一次约会，他既害羞又自豪地告诉我这件事。

He met a woman one day in Washington Square Park.

有一天，他在华盛顿广场公园遇到了一位女士。

She was an American.

她是美国人。

It was like standing and watching people, like, making dance.

这就像站着看人们跳舞。

And I say-- (LAUGHING) you're beautiful, I think.

我说——（笑）我认为你很漂亮。

Have you got a number?

你有电话号码吗？

That's what you-- that's the first thing you said to her?

这就是你——这是你对她说的第一句话？

You're beautiful, can I get your number?

你很漂亮，可以给我你的电话号码吗？

Yeah.

是的。

No, it's not work like this.

不，这不是这样的工作。

She said that she's so old for me, because it was 28 years?

她说她对我来说太老了，因为已经28岁了？

She said, I'm so young for her.

她说，我对她来说太年轻了。

Yeah, I said it doesn't matter.

是的，我说没关系。

He chatted her up for 10 or 15 minutes, and then did get her number.

他和她聊了10到15分钟，然后才拿到了她的电话号码。

They went on a couple dates-- one at the High Line, another park, and talked a bunch.

他们约会了几次——一次在高线公园，另一次在公园，聊了很多。

And she asked me about my-- to tell her about myself, my job.

她向我询问了我的情况，告诉她我自己和我的工作。

Where did I live.

我住在哪里。

Yeah, and I tell her.

是的，我告诉她。

He was straight with her.

他对她很直率。

He told her he lived in a shelter, didn't have a job.

他告诉她他住在收容所里，没有工作。

She laughed and said--

她笑着说——

That's funny to looking for girls for relationships and you're living in a shelter.

寻找女孩建立关系，而你住在庇护所里，这很有趣。

Yeah.

是的。

Shakrood She said that's funny.

沙克鲁德 她说这很有趣。

Yeah.

是的。

What did you say?

你说什么？

Shakrood I said I don't care.

沙克鲁德 我说过我不在乎。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah, and after that, I call her.

是的，在那之后，我给她打电话。

She didn't reply.

她没有回答。

I-- yeah.

我——是的。

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

Shakrood I know that's because what I tell her.

沙克鲁德 我知道那是因为我告诉她的。

Shakrood told me he didn't feel sad or care much, just deleted her number.

沙克鲁德告诉我，他并没有感到悲伤或太在意，只是删除了她的号码。

He hasn't tried to date anyone else since then.

从那以后他就没有尝试过和其他人约会。

After that, he asked a guy in the shelter about how to get into doing food delivery, a really common job for new immigrants in New York, where you rent an e-bike or scooter and start making a few bucks per delivery.

之后，他向避难所的一个人询问如何从事送餐工作，这对于纽约的新移民来说是一项非常常见的工作，在那里你租一辆电动自行车或踏板车，每次送货就可以赚几块钱。

The tricky thing about it is getting an Uber Eats or DoorDash account, because opening one requires a Social Security number, which Shakrood doesn't have.

棘手的事情是获得 Uber Eats 或 DoorDash 帐户，因为开设帐户需要社会安全号码，而 Shakrood 没有。

But there's a whole shadow market of accounts available.

但存在一个完整的影子账户市场。

Shakrood met some kind of account dealer outside the TD Bank at 37th Street and Broadway one day, paid him $150 for an account that was supposed to be active for two weeks.

有一天，沙克鲁德在 37 街和百老汇交汇处的 TD 银行外遇到了一位账户经销商，向他支付了 150 美元，购买了一个本应活跃两周的账户。

He got kicked off after two days.

两天后他就被解雇了。

Later on, a friend helped him find an Uber Eats account.

后来，一位朋友帮他找到了 Uber Eats 优食账户。

That's what he spends most days doing now, since mid-October-- riding his rented green bike around town.

自十月中旬以来，这就是他现在大部分时间都在做的事情——骑着租来的绿色自行车在城里转悠。

How many deliveries will you-- would be a good day?

美好的一天会送多少件？

20, 23.

20、23。

Diane Wu The best day he'd had, he'd made $150.

Diane Wu 他度过了最美好的一天，赚了 150 美元。

But the day I talked to him, at 5 PM, he'd only made $19.75 all day, which doesn't get him much closer to making rent.

但在我与他交谈的那天下午 5 点，他一整天只赚了 19.75 美元，这并没有让他离赚到房租更近了。

So you have four months, five months before the work permit comes?

那么你还有四个月、五个月的时间才能拿到工作许可证吗？

What's your plan for the next four months?

未来四个月你有什么计划？

Try to what?

尝试什么？

Shakrood Just staying alive, to stay alive and to still have a place of like-- to be safe.

沙克鲁德只是活着，活着，并且仍然有一个喜欢的地方——安全。

Yeah.

是的。

That's all.

就这样。

To be safe.

为了安全起见。

When we talked in late November, Shakrood kept bringing up the snow.

当我们十一月底谈话时，沙克鲁德一直提到雪。

He's worried about biking once the weather gets bad.

一旦天气变坏，他就会担心骑自行车。

That's what's on his mind right now, how to survive the winter and make it till he can get that work permit.

这就是他现在脑子里想的，如何度过冬天并拿到工作许可证。

128 more days.

还有128天。

Diane Wu is a producer on our show.

吴黛安是我们节目的制片人。

Coming up-- a big dance number solves everybody's problems, just like in the movies.

即将到来——一场大型舞蹈可以解决每个人的问题，就像电影中一样。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.

芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。

This American Life from Ira Glass.

艾拉·格拉斯的《美国生活》。

Today's program-- "Stand Clear of the Closing Doors," which is the thing that they say on the New York subway, and it also is kind of the mayor's message to any asylum seekers who still want to come to New York today.

今天的节目——“远离正在关闭的大门”，这是他们在纽约地铁上说的话，也是市长向今天仍然想来纽约的寻求庇护者传达的信息。

We have stories today about the unprecedented thing that New York City is trying to house and feed and settle so many immigrants all at once, with the city government picking up the tab.

今天我们有关于纽约市史无前例的故事，它试图同时为如此多的移民提供住房、食物和定居，而市政府则为此买单。

We have arrived at Act 3 of our show-- Act 3, Lullaby of Broadway.

我们已经到了演出的第三幕——第三幕，百老汇摇篮曲。

So when we started putting this episode of our show together a few months ago, one thing that we noticed was that so many new immigrants to New York on social media were posting pictures of themselves in Times Square-- like, look, we made it.

因此，当我们几个月前开始整理这一集节目时，我们注意到的一件事是，许多纽约新移民在社交媒体上发布了自己在时代广场的照片——就像，看，我们成功了。

Sometimes these were after posts where you would see them covered in mud, trudging their way north to the United States.

有时，他们是在追随哨所，在那里你会看到他们浑身是泥，艰难地向北前往美国。

And if you go to Times Square and look around, there, in the middle of the tourists and the families who came in from the suburbs to see The Lion King and the costumed Spider-Man and Elmos, are these newcomers.

如果你去时代广场环顾四周，你会发现，在游客和从郊区来看《狮子王》、服装蜘蛛侠和埃尔莫斯的家庭中间，都是这些新来者。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ramon This was literally the first spot we came to when we got here.

[说西班牙语] Ramon 这实际上是我们到达这里后来到的第一个地方。

We got-- we arrived right here.

我们——我们就到了这里。

Did you take a picture?

你拍照了吗？

Ramon [SPEAKING SPANISH]

拉蒙 [说西班牙语]

Kenny and his son, Nestor, got here from Venezuela a year ago, he said.

他说，肯尼和他的儿子内斯特一年前从委内瑞拉来到这里。

Now, they were back, on the corner of 45th Street on the way into a McDonald's.

现在，他们又回来了，在 45 街的拐角处，在去麦当劳的路上。

They come to Times Square every now and then, look at the big screens, hang out.

他们时不时地来到时代广场，看看大屏幕，闲逛。

Maybe 50 feet from them, a guy in a gray hoodie with a Colombian team logo on it was with his friends on a bench.

距离他们大约 50 英尺的地方，一个穿着印有哥伦比亚队标志的灰色连帽衫的人和他的朋友们坐在长凳上。

They had beers.

他们喝了啤酒。

The guy in the hoodie, Mateo, has been here for a year, he told us.

穿连帽衫的马特奥告诉我们，他已经在这里工作一年了。

But that wasn't true for everybody in the group.

但对于团队中的每个人来说并非如此。

We just came here right now, because one of my friends just got here.

我们刚刚来到这里，因为我的一位朋友刚刚来到这里。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ramon He's been here for only two days now.

[说西班牙语] Ramon 他来这里才两天。

He moved here to the US.

他搬到了美国。

So we've crossed all the way from the Darien Gap to come here.

所以我们千里迢迢地从达连峡来到了这里。

Took four months, he said.

他说，花了四个月的时间。

I asked if he was going to take a photo here in Times Square, and he said, nah.

我问他是否要在时代广场拍照，他说，不。

We don't have any phones, because we actually got kidnapped in Mexico, and we got robbed.

我们没有电话，因为我们实际上在墨西哥被绑架，被抢劫。

On 46th Street, in front of the statue of songwriter George M.

位于 46 街，歌曲作家乔治·M·乔治 (George M.

Cohan, a Venezuelan couple with five little kids came out to look at the lights, to just get everybody out of the house.

科汉是一对带着五个孩子的委内瑞拉夫妇，他出来看灯光，想让大家都离开家。

On 7th Avenue, a 26-year-old sitting on a bench was here for a third time, and she explained the appeal.

在第七大道，一名坐在长凳上的26岁女子第三次来到这里，她解释了自己的诉求。

She liked seeing the huge video screens.

她喜欢看巨大的视频屏幕。

They're pretty.

他们很漂亮。

I just come, because there's a lot of people.

我刚来，因为人很多。

There's a lot of traffic, a lot of movement.

人流量很大，人流很多。

I'm usually alone at home, so I want to distract myself and just come and see something else.

我通常一个人在家，所以我想分散自己的注意力，过来看看别的东西。

I was talking to a friend right now, actually, showing her where I'm at, showing her Times Square.

实际上，我现在正在和一个朋友聊天，向她展示我在哪里，向她展示时代广场。

Where's your friend?

你的朋友在哪里？

Silvia Ya esta Chile.

西尔维娅·雅·埃斯塔·智利。

She's in Chile right now.

她现在在智利。

Ira Glass That's where you're from?

艾拉·格拉斯 你是那里来的？

She's happy, because I'm living the dream that I had spoken to her about for a long time, and she's very happy that I'm doing it right now.

她很高兴，因为我正在实现我长期以来与她谈论的梦想，而且她很高兴我现在正在这样做。

My dream was to get to know New York, come here, and it's going pretty well for me.

我的梦想是了解纽约，来到这里，这对我来说进展顺利。

So I'm actually very happy, thank god.

所以我真的很高兴，感谢上帝。

Yeah, this is the country of fashion and big screens and all of that.

是的，这是时尚和大屏幕等等的国家。

She's been in the US for six months now.

她来美国已经六个月了。

She was one of the people I talked to who did not have a difficult or dangerous journey here.

她是我交谈过的人之一，她在这里没有经历过困难或危险的旅程。

She flew to Mexico, walked across the border, got picked up by border patrol and requested asylum.

她飞往墨西哥，步行穿过边境，被边境巡逻队抓住并请求庇护。

Then she flew from Texas to New York City.

然后她从德克萨斯州飞往纽约市。

She's now sharing an apartment in the Bronx with a friend.

她现在与一位朋友在布朗克斯合租一套公寓。

She's gotten used to the subway, doesn't get lost anymore.

她已经习惯了地铁，不再迷路了。

She's working at a Burger King, picking up English words and phrases.

她在汉堡王工作，学习英语单词和短语。

"See you tomorrow." [SPEAKING SPANISH] "See you later," or "bacon," "pickle." [LAUGHS]

“明天见。” [西班牙语]“待会儿见”或“培根”、“泡菜”。 [笑]

Ira Glass Leaning on the side of a newsstand, maybe a block from her, was a kid who I and my interpreter, Ramon, could not figure out at all.

艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 靠在报摊旁边，距离她大约一个街区，是一个我和我的翻译拉蒙 (Ramon) 根本无法理解的孩子。

16 years old, Ecuadorian, had been here for four months, living with his family, who seemed to be doing OK, parents working.

16 岁，厄瓜多尔人，已经在这里呆了四个月，与家人住在一起，他们似乎过得很好，父母都在工作。

He said he was going to high school and had a job at a supermarket, called Western Beef.

他说他即将上高中，并在一家名为 Western Beef 的超市找到了一份工作。

But he said he would come to Times Square three times a week, every single week, stay for hours.

但他说他每周都会来时代广场三次，每周都会停留几个小时。

But for the life of us, Ramon and I could not understand why.

但对于我们的生活，拉蒙和我无法理解为什么。

When we first walked up, this kid-- his name is Junior-- was watching some street performers.

当我们第一次走过去时，这个孩子——他的名字叫朱尼尔——正在观看一些街头表演。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ramon I'm just watching the show right now.

[说西班牙语] Ramon 我现在正在看节目。

I'm seeing how people can showcase their talents.

我看到人们如何展示他们的才能。

So you come a lot, though, every week.

所以你每周都会来很多次。

So what do you do, usually?

那么你通常会做什么呢？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Junior [SPEAKING SPANISH]

[说西班牙语] 初级 [说西班牙语]

Ramon Just walking around and watching people do their thing, maybe learn something.

拉蒙只是四处走走，看看人们做他们的事情，也许能学到一些东西。

Tell me one of your favorite places to go here.

告诉我你最喜欢去的地方之一。

This went nowhere.

这毫无进展。

He likes to sit on the red bleachers sometimes on 47th.

有时他喜欢坐在 47 号球场的红色看台上。

Do you meet people here and talk to them?

您在这里遇到人并与他们交谈吗？

No, he doesn't.

不，他不。

Is this your favorite place in New York?

这是您在纽约最喜欢的地方吗？

Not really.

并不真地。

Junior, we don't totally understand why you come back so often.

小弟，我们不太明白你为什么这么频繁地回来。

Like, we understand you like it, but we don't totally understand why.

就像，我们知道你喜欢它，但我们不完全明白为什么。

Say more about that.

多说一点吧。

Why do you come so often?

你为什么来得这么频繁？

And with that, we threw in the towel.

就这样，我们认输了。

Ramon and I walked around to the other side of the newsstand that Junior was leaning on, where there was an 11-year-old street performer with a handwritten sign with his name, Oscar.

我和雷蒙绕到朱尼尔所倚着的报摊的另一边，那里有一个 11 岁的街头艺人，手里拿着一个手写的牌子，上面写着他的名字奥斯卡。

Ramon noticed that his last name, which was written on the sign, was the same as Junior's, and asked him if he was here alone.

雷蒙注意到牌子上写的自己的姓氏与朱尼尔的姓氏相同，于是问他是否独自一人在这里。

And he comes with you to take care of you?

他也跟着你来照顾你吗？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Oscar [SPEAKING SPANISH]

[说西班牙语] 奥斯卡 [说西班牙语]

When we returned to Junior, he'd been watching us talk to Oscar, and he was laughing, I guess, like, yeah, busted.

当我们回到朱尼尔时，他一直在看着我们和奥斯卡谈话，我猜他在笑，就像，是的，被抓了。

Ramon Yeah, that's my brother right there, singing.

拉蒙 是的，那是我哥哥，正在唱歌。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] [LAUGHS]

[说西班牙语] [笑]

How much money does he make?

他赚多少钱？

Ramon [SPEAKING SPANISH]

拉蒙 [说西班牙语]

Ramon I think I would say he makes around 150 a night.

Ramon 我想我会说他每晚赚 150 左右。

Bad night would be more like 50.

糟糕的夜晚会更像 50。

Night before this, Saturday night, he did 200.

前一天晚上，也就是周六晚上，他做了 200 次。

Oscar just loves singing.

奥斯卡只是喜欢唱歌。

Ever since he was little, back in Ecuador.

从他很小的时候起，就回到了厄瓜多尔。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ramon Yeah, it's my passion.

[说西班牙语] Ramon 是的，这是我的热情。

Do your friends at school know that you sing in Times Square?

你学校的朋友知道你在时代广场唱歌吗？

And what do they think?

他们怎么想？

Ramon [SPEAKING SPANISH]

拉蒙 [说西班牙语]

This was his friend, Marcel, who came to see him.

这是他的朋友马塞尔，来看望他。

He goes to seventh grade with Marcel.

他和马塞尔一起上七年级。

Oscar says he would have been an eighth grade in Ecuador, but when he got here to New York City, they put him in seventh.

奥斯卡说他在厄瓜多尔本来应该读八年级，但当他到达纽约市时，他们把他放在第七年级。

It was kind of a bummer.

这有点令人失望。

Anyway, Marcel came with his parents.

不管怎样，马塞尔和他的父母一起来了。

Oscar says they put $10 in the box.

奥斯卡说他们在盒子里放了 10 美元。

Junior was like, eh, he thought maybe it was more $1 or $2.

Junior 的反应是，呃，他认为可能会多 1 美元或 2 美元。

Oscar's saving up to buy an accordion.

奥斯卡正在攒钱买一架手风琴。

His favorite singer is Marc Anthony, so we asked for a Marc Anthony song.

他最喜欢的歌手是马克·安东尼，所以我们要了一首马克·安东尼的歌。

Oscar belts out a song in a shiny new black winter coat they must have bought him here in America.

奥斯卡穿着一件闪亮的新黑色冬衣高唱一首歌，他们一定是在美国给他买的。

And watching him, I think about how many singers and musicians and songwriters have walked down this exact seven or eight blocks with the dream of making it here in New York City.

看着他，我想到有多少歌手、音乐家和词曲作者已经走过这七八个街区，梦想着来到纽约市。

He keeps an eye on the crowd as he belts out his song.

当他高唱他的歌曲时，他一直注视着人群。

People drop dollar bills.

人们扔下美元钞票。

He really does seem to love singing.

看来他真的很喜欢唱歌。

Like so many of us who moved to this city, at some point, your dream also turns into a job.

就像我们许多搬到这座城市的人一样，在某些时候，您的梦想也会变成一份工作。

That is very New York.

那是非常纽约的。

So there are 20,000 of these new migrant kids enrolled in New York City schools at the start of the school year.

因此，学年开始时，有 20,000 名新移民孩子在纽约市的学校就读。

And which schools they arrived in was kind of random.

他们到达哪些学校是随机的。

That was true last year, too.

去年也是如此。

I would say we went from like September to December with no students.

我想说我们从九月到十二月都没有学生。

And then all of a sudden it was January.

然后突然间就到了一月了。

It's like, oh, you're getting these students.

就像，哦，你得到了这些学生。

This is a school counselor at a middle school.

这是一所中学的学校辅导员。

He asked that we not name it.

他要求我们不要说出它的名字。

The school is about 350 students, so on the small side, and pretty diverse.

学校约有 350 名学生，规模虽小，但相当多元化。

And one day, this guidance counselor heard that some of the new migrant kids had been crying and hiding in the bathroom.

有一天，这位辅导员听说一些新来的农民工孩子躲在卫生间里哭闹。

And the counselor doesn't speak Spanish.

而且辅导员不会说西班牙语。

The kids don't speak English.

孩子们不会说英语。

They had these traumatic experiences coming to the United States.

他们来到美国时经历了这些痛苦的经历。

And he couldn't even talk to them about it.

他甚至不能和他们谈论这件事。

He felt like he was failing his students.

他觉得自己辜负了他的学生。

In the end, like so many people on today's show, he just had to kind of jury-rigg something himself to deal with the problem.

最后，就像今天节目中的许多人一样，他只能自己临时凑合一些东西来解决这个问题。

He found a couple of Spanish-speaking grad students who were studying counseling, and had them come by.

他找到了几个正在学习咨询的讲西班牙语的研究生，并让他们过来。

And they did a handful of counseling sessions with the new students.

他们还为新生进行了一些咨询。

In these counseling sessions, a kind of surprising thing happened.

在这些咨询过程中，发生了一件令人惊讶的事情。

Some kids, yeah, wanted to talk about their journeys.

是的，有些孩子想谈论他们的旅程。

But that was not the big thing they were interested in discussing.

但这并不是他们有兴趣讨论的大事。

The thing they really wanted to talk about was middle school.

他们真正想谈论的是中学。

There are 11-year-olds, 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds.

有11岁的，有12岁的，有13岁的。

And they're just trying to figure out the same stuff any middle schooler might.

他们只是想弄清楚任何中学生都可能想出的东西。

So one of our producers, Aviva DeKornfeld went to this middle school to spend a day talking to kids about what it is like to settle in a New York City middle school.

因此，我们的制片人之一阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德 (Aviva DeKornfeld) 来到这所中学，花了一天的时间与孩子们谈论在纽约市的一所中学定居是什么感觉。

She talked to three of them.

她与其中三个人交谈。

The first kid I met was Celynnys.

我遇到的第一个孩子是 Celynnys。

She was in an English language class, 1 of about 20 kids sitting in neat little rows.

她在英语语言班上，大约 20 个孩子排成整齐的小排，她就是其中之一。

Celynnys is the tiniest one in class.

Celynnys 是班上最小的一个。

She sits in the back row with front-row posture.

她以前排的姿势坐在后排。

She's a total Hermione Granger; very organized, loves knowing the right answer to a teacher's question.

她完全就是赫敏·格兰杰。非常有条理，喜欢知道老师问题的正确答案。

She came to the US knowing a little English already.

她来到美国时已经懂一点英语了。

But most of the other migrant students don't speak any English at all, so they're constantly asking Celynnys for help in class, which she has mixed feelings about.

但其他大多数移民学生根本不会说英语，所以他们在课堂上不断向塞林尼斯寻求帮助，对此她百感交集。

Porque es como Selene hace esto.

因为 Selene hace esto。

Celynnys y me ayudas en esto.

Celynnys y me ayudas en esto。

Yo ayudo en tareas a todas mis amigas las explico porque no me gusta, la verdad.

Yo ayudo en tareas a todas miss amigas las explico porque no me gusta, la verdad。

Como les digo, soy una persona responsable, no me gusta que me copien la tarea.

Como les digo，soy una persona responsable，no me gusta que me copien la tarea。

Yo les digo como haz diferente, aunque sea las palabras Y que no quiero hacer.

你是个不同的人，一个无边的大海，但没有什么。

A veces me harto y digo como ya déjenme en paz.

A veces me harto y digo como ya déjenme en paz.

It's like, Celynnys, do this for me.

就像，Celynnys，为我做这件事。

Celynnys, help me with that.

塞林尼斯，帮我解决这个问题。

I helped them all with homework because I don't like them just copying my work.

我帮助他们做作业，因为我不喜欢他们只是抄袭我的作业。

I tell them to at least write it differently.

我告诉他们至少要以不同的方式写。

And sometimes, I just get fed up with helping and tell them to leave me alone.

有时，我只是厌倦了帮助，并告诉他们别打扰我。

The reason all these kids keep asking Celynnys for help is because the school only has eight Spanish-speaking adults to help translate for 45 kids, none of whom speak even conversational English.

所有这些孩子不断向 Celynnys 寻求帮助的原因是，学校只有 8 名讲西班牙语的成年人来帮助 45 名孩子翻译，而这些孩子甚至都不会说英语。

So lots of kids just sit through class after class without a clue about what's going on.

因此，很多孩子只是坐着听课，不知道发生了什么。

The school does have an ENL class, English as a New Language, though the teacher doesn't speak Spanish.

学校确实有 ENL 课程，英语作为新语言，尽管老师不会说西班牙语。

The thing Celynnys wanted to talk to me about was her grades.

塞林尼斯想和我谈论的是她的成绩。

She's stressed about them.

她对他们感到压力很大。

Back in Ecuador, Celynnys was the top student, best in her class five years in a row.

回到厄瓜多尔，塞林尼斯是最优秀的学生，连续五年是班上最好的学生。

Here, she says she's doing pretty well except for in humanities and math.

她说，除了人文和数学之外，她的成绩都还不错。

Humanities is hard because there's just so much talking in that class, all in English.

人文学科很难，因为那堂课上有太多的谈话，而且都是用英语。

It's hard to keep up.

很难跟上。

And math is difficult because the vocab is all weird, like the teacher will start talking about fractions.

数学很难，因为词汇很奇怪，就像老师会开始谈论分数一样。

Pues yo no sé, digo qué fracción es una palabra, es algo de matemáticas o que es eso?

你知道吗，这个分数是数学算法还是什么？

Y ella nos explican y digo pero de qué me estás explicando si no entiendo?

你没有解释过吗？我的解释是不是没有意思？

It's hard to know if the word the teacher is saying-- in this case, fraction-- is a word in English that she just doesn't know yet or if it's a new word for everyone, even the English speakers.

很难知道老师所说的单词（在本例中为分数）是否是她还不知道的英语单词，或者对于每个人，甚至是说英语的人来说，这是否都是一个新单词。

She's worried the teachers don't realize how much harder it is for the migrant kids trying to learn in a foreign language.

她担心老师们没有意识到，对于农民工的孩子来说，尝试学习外语有多么困难。

I talked to a school counselor about this.

我和学校辅导员谈过这个问题。

And he said the teachers definitely do realize that and take that into account.

他说老师们肯定意识到了这一点并考虑到了这一点。

They're planning to grade the kids on a curve, weighing participation much more than they normally do, which sounds like a kindness in the short term, but not a real solution.

他们计划对孩子们进行曲线评分，比平时更重视参与度，这在短期内听起来像是一种善意，但并不是真正的解决方案。

So much of successfully navigating middle school has nothing to do with what you learn in a classroom.

中学的成功在很大程度上与你在课堂上学到的东西无关。

Celynnys told me that there are all kinds of things she's having to figure out about being a middle schooler here like rules.

塞林尼斯告诉我，作为一名中学生，她必须弄清楚各种各样的事情，比如规则。

There are so many more rules here.

这里还有很多规则。

Celynnys, perhaps unsurprisingly, is a fan of rules.

塞林尼斯是规则的拥护者，这或许并不令人意外。

But figuring out what's considered right and wrong, that's been a bit of a learning curve.

但弄清楚什么是对的、什么是错的，这是一个学习曲线。

Like the other day, she was playing with her friend, but then got sent to detention for being too rough.

和前几天一样，她和朋友一起玩，但后来因为过于粗暴而被拘留。

Pero en sí nunca nos lastimamos porque siempre jugamos así, brusco, porque allá estamos como ya entendido de que es un juego y que es bromeando y nunca nos peleamos por eso.

但是，我们最后的目标是，布鲁斯科，因为我们已经完成了游戏和布罗梅多的任务，所以我们不再需要皮莱莫斯。

She says that she and her friends always play roughly, and so they never get hurt.

她说她和她的朋友们总是粗暴地玩耍，所以他们从来没有受伤。

They understand it's a game.

他们明白这是一场游戏。

I ask her if her teachers understood that.

我问她，她的老师是否明白这一点。

Sí, entienden que están jugando, pero dijeron que de igual manera no lo debíamos de hacer.

是的，这是一个伟大的事情，但我的行为却没有造成任何后果。

They understand that we're playing, but said that we still shouldn't play that way.

他们理解我们在玩，但又说我们不应该那样玩。

I asked one of the Spanish-speaking teachers who knows Celynnys well about this incident.

我向一位熟悉塞林尼斯的西班牙语老师询问了这件事。

She said the principal showed her the security footage of the girls.

她说校长给她看了女孩们的监控录像。

And it was clear to her that they were playing, though she could see why it would look alarming to the principal.

她很清楚他们在玩，尽管她明白为什么这会让校长感到震惊。

I asked Celynnys if she often found herself breaking rules simply because she didn't understand them.

我问塞林尼斯，她是否经常因为不理解规则而违反规则。

And she said, well, sometimes she understands the rules fine, but just wants to play like she used to.

她说，好吧，有时她很理解规则，但只是想像以前一样玩。

The second girl I talked to was Soffia.

我交谈的第二个女孩是索菲亚。

And by that I mean, she talked to me.

我的意思是，她跟我说话了。

She was very set on talking to me because she had a lot to say all at once, like how she liked science class because her teacher has a lizard.

她很想和我说话，因为她有很多话要说，比如她多么喜欢科学课，因为她的老师有一只蜥蜴。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld And how she wants to be an actress or maybe a veterinarian.

[西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld 以及她如何想成为一名演员或者兽医。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld And how her favorite word to say in English is water.

[说西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld 她最喜欢用英语说的词是水。

She likes how it sounds.

她喜欢这听起来。

Water.

水。

Aviva DeKornfeld I think school is going OK for her.

Aviva DeKornfeld 我认为她的学业进展顺利。

It was a little hard to tell.

有点难说。

She pinballed from subject to subject.

她从一个主题弹到另一个主题。

Everything just seemed to fall under the category of things I'd like to share, even how hard it was to come to the US from Ecuador.

一切似乎都属于我想分享的范畴，即使从厄瓜多尔来到美国是多么困难。

Primero, empezamos a cruzar la selva y ahí nos quedamos sin comida.

最初，我是一个十字路口的塞尔瓦和啊，没有 quedamos sin comida。

Osea, no comimos dos días.

Osea，没有comimos dos días。

Soffia and her family didn't eat for two days.

索菲亚和她的家人已经两天没有吃饭了。

In the same breath, she'll tell me about how scared she was that her family might get robbed, and also how cool it is that New York City looks just like it did in the movie King Kong.

与此同时，她会告诉我她是多么害怕她的家人可能会被抢劫，而且纽约市看起来就像电影《金刚》中的那样是多么酷。

Other kids did this, too.

其他孩子也这样做了。

It was this very weird dissonance talking to them because they're so excited to tell you about themselves, but they've also lived through real hardship.

与他们交谈是一种非常奇怪的不和谐，因为他们很高兴告诉你他们自己，但他们也经历过真正的困难。

So they're clamoring over one another, all simultaneously trying to tell me about devastating experiences in these chirpy little voices.

所以他们互相吵闹，同时试图用这些欢快的小声音告诉我毁灭性的经历。

They just want to share whatever it is, heavy or light, like it all has equal weight.

他们只是想分享任何东西，无论重或轻，就像所有东西都有相同的重量一样。

The last girl I talked to was named Marianny.

与我交谈的最后一个女孩名叫玛丽安。

I wanted to meet her because a teacher mentioned she was putting together a dance for all the girls.

我想见见她，因为一位老师提到她正在为所有女孩组织一场舞蹈。

Marianny's gawky, carries herself like a baby giraffe, except for when she's dancing, which she's often doing.

玛丽安笨拙，举止像一只小长颈鹿，除了跳舞的时候，她经常这样做。

She tells me that after school, she likes to listen to music and dance while she cleans her room.

她告诉我，放学后，她喜欢一边听音乐一边跳舞，一边打扫房间。

And recently, one afternoon, she had an idea.

最近，一个下午，她有了一个主意。

Cuando estaba bailando yo digo: ay, pero es que tengo como unas ganas de bailar, que..

Cando estaba bailando yo digo: 哎呀，pero es que tengo como unas ganas de bailar, que..

que todo el mundo vea mi baile.

que todo el mundo vea mi baile。

I was dancing.

我当时正在跳舞。

And I was like, I want everyone to see my dance.

我当时想，我希望每个人都能看到我的舞蹈。

She decided to choreograph something for the girls to perform during the winter dance.

她决定为女孩们编排一些在冬季舞会期间表演的节目。

It seemed like a good bonding opportunity.

这似乎是一个很好的联系机会。

She'd come up with the idea shortly after a spat over some candy with some other girls.

她是在与其他一些女孩因糖果发生口角后不久想出这个主意的。

The kids often argue about food.

孩子们经常为食物争论。

Just the other day, the librarian had to intervene in an altercation involving a Cup-a-Noodles.

就在前几天，图书管理员不得不介入一场涉及杯面的争吵。

Marianny wanted to do something about all the fighting.

玛丽安想为所有的争斗做点什么。

So she came up with a solution straight out of Disney Channel.

所以她直接从迪士尼频道想出了一个解决方案。

Let's make a dance to bring everyone together.

让我们跳一支舞，让大家聚在一起。

She invited the rest of the girls to participate.

她邀请其他女孩参加。

Nearly 20 of them wanted in, which is a big deal for Marianny because she used to hate school back in Venezuela.

其中近 20 人想要入学，这对玛丽安来说是一件大事，因为她以前讨厌委内瑞拉的学校。

Got bullied terribly.

被欺负得很厉害。

But here, in some ways, she finds it's easier to make friends because all the migrant kids are stuck together.

但在某种程度上，她发现在这里更容易交到朋友，因为所有的打工子弟都挤在一起。

Today is the first rehearsal.

今天是第一次排练。

We all head downstairs where Marianny is going to teach everyone the dance.

我们都下楼，玛丽安娜要教大家跳舞。

The room is a real dance studio with mirrors and a ballet bar.

这个房间是一个真正的舞蹈室，配有镜子和芭蕾舞吧。

Hola, vamos a bailar!

你好，瓦莫斯·贝拉尔！

Aviva DeKornfeld Everyone's in their socks.

Aviva DeKornfeld 每个人都穿着袜子。

Marianny gets right to it, walking them through the steps.

玛丽安直接开始，引导他们走完台阶。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld The dance is exactly what you'd imagine a middle school girl might choreograph in her bedroom.

[西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld 这种舞蹈正是您想象中的中学生在卧室里编排的舞蹈。

It was nice to see the kids in this setting where there was room for all their personalities.

很高兴看到孩子们在这样的环境中，在这里可以发挥他们所有的个性。

Soffia is running around, bouncing off the walls.

索菲亚四处奔跑，在墙上弹跳。

Celynnys, the little Hermione Granger, wanted to know the exact count of all the moves.

小赫敏·格兰杰塞林尼斯想知道所有动作的确切计数。

And since she had gone to a ballet academy back in Ecuador and had some experience with performing, insisted on making this announcement.

由于她曾在厄瓜多尔的芭蕾舞学院学习并有一定的表演经验，所以坚持要宣布这一消息。

Si la musica se para, tienen que seguir bailando.

Si la musica se para, tienen que seguir bailando。

If during the performance the music stops for some reason, just keep dancing.

如果在表演过程中音乐因某种原因停止，请继续跳舞。

Good advice, if a little premature.

很好的建议，虽然有点为时过早。

They've barely learned the choreography.

他们几乎没有学会舞蹈编排。

Marianny, for her part, honestly just seemed happy to be included, even though this whole thing was her idea in the first place.

就玛丽安而言，老实说，她似乎很高兴能被包括在内，尽管这整件事一开始就是她的主意。

There were some disagreements about how to do the dance.

对于如何跳舞存在一些分歧。

Si es!

是的！

Caracho!

卡拉乔！

Aviva DeKornfeld But mostly, things went fine.

Aviva DeKornfeld 但大多数情况下，一切都很顺利。

And during breaks, the girls rolled around on the floor, did cartwheels, precariously hung off the ballet bar.

休息时，女孩们在地板上打滚、侧手翻、摇摇欲坠地挂在芭蕾舞杆上。

A few played a high-speed game of ring around the rosy.

一些人围绕着玫瑰色进行了一场高速的圆环游戏。

One of the older girls helped a few of the younger ones practice the steps.

一位年龄较大的女孩帮助几个年龄较小的女孩练习舞步。

It was total chaos, the good kind.

一切都是混乱的，但那是好的。

But hanging over all of this is the fact that for a lot of migrant families in New York City, there's a deadline approaching.

但笼罩在这一切之上的事实是，对于纽约市的许多移民家庭来说，最后期限即将到来。

The city recently told families that they only have shelter for 60 days.

该市最近告诉家庭，他们只能获得 60 天的庇护。

Then they'll have to reapply, some as soon as the first week of January.

然后他们必须重新申请，有些最早在一月的第一周。

A new shelter could mean a new school entirely.

一个新的庇护所可能意味着一所全新的学校。

Whatever solidness the girls feel now might be gone by the new year.

女孩们现在感受到的任何踏实感都可能在新的一年里消失。

Aviva DeKornfeld is a producer on our show.

Aviva DeKornfeld 是我们节目的制片人。

Act 5, Harlem Shuffle.

第五幕，哈莱姆洗牌。

So once migrants get into the shelters that New York is providing, lots of them have no idea what they're supposed to do next or who to talk to.

因此，一旦移民进入纽约提供的庇护所，他们中的许多人都不知道下一步应该做什么或该与谁交谈。

In theory, they all have case managers.

理论上，他们都有案件经理。

But often, they have no idea who those case managers are.

但通常，他们不知道这些案件经理是谁。

And the case managers are overwhelmed, anyway, with lots of cases.

无论如何，案件经理对大量案件感到不知所措。

So there are all kinds of nonprofits trying to fill the gaps.

因此，有各种各样的非营利组织试图填补这一空白。

One of them is run by Adama Bah, the woman who I was with till 2:00 in the morning at the Port Authority greeting a bus from Texas.

其中一家是由阿达玛·巴 (Adama Bah) 经营的，她一直陪伴我到凌晨 2:00 在港务局迎接来自德克萨斯州的巴士。

Again, her group is called Afrikana.

同样，她的团体被称为 Afrikana。

Emmanuel Dzotsi dropped by there to see how much of the city's slack they're able to take up and where they're struggling.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 顺便拜访了那里，看看他们能够弥补城市的多少闲置，以及他们在哪里挣扎。

Here he is.

他在这里。

Afrikana is in a nondescript building in Harlem at 145th and Lenox.

Afrikana 位于哈莱姆区 145 街和莱诺克斯街一栋不起眼的建筑内。

Most of the windows are boarded up.

大多数窗户都用木板封住。

There's no signage.

没有任何标志。

The only reason I knew I was in the right place was because when I pulled up at 10:00 AM, there was a long line of people that trailed out the front door, around the building, and into a parking lot.

我知道自己来对地方的唯一原因是，当我在上午 10:00 停车时，看到一长串人从前门出来，绕过大楼，进入停车场。

Inside, there's a small waiting area, a long table with three people doing intake, a series of makeshift cubicles.

里面有一个小等候区，一张长桌，三个人在吃东西，还有一系列临时隔间。

It looks basically like a tiny, chaotic DMV, the sort of place where if you stand around for too long, someone will pull you into a random task that they need help with.

它看起来基本上就像一个微小而混乱的DMV，如果你在那里站太久，有人会把你拉进一个他们需要帮助的随机任务。

It could be translating, copying papers, or, in my case, holding someone's toddler for a second.

它可能是翻译、复印文件，或者就我而言，抱一下某人的小孩。

Overseeing everything is Adama Bah.

监督一切的是阿达玛·巴（Adama Bah）。

She started this place seven months ago after years of helping immigrants and asylum seekers out of her car.

经过多年帮助移民和寻求庇护者下车后，她在七个月前创办了这个地方。

So many people needed her services, she needed an office.

很多人需要她的服务，她需要一间办公室。

Now, she says they get roughly 500 people a day.

她说现在他们每天接待大约 500 人。

We don't advertise this location because of the volume that we get.

由于我们获得的数量，我们不会对此位置进行广告。

Word of mouth.

口耳相传。

Emmanuel Dzotsi She founded this place to serve a new generation of migrants from places like Guinea and Mauritania who've been making their way to the United States in the last couple of years.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 她创建这个地方是为了服务来自几内亚和毛里塔尼亚等地的新一代移民，这些移民在过去几年中一直前往美国。

Those people started coming in large numbers this summer in part because of a Nicaraguan government's decision to change their visa system.

今年夏天，这些人开始大量涌入，部分原因是尼加拉瓜政府决定改变签证制度。

So Africans could just fly to Nicaragua, and from there, walk and hitchhike to the United States.

因此，非洲人可以直接飞往尼加拉瓜，然后从那里步行或搭便车前往美国。

You no longer had to pass through the often-lethal Darien Gap connecting Colombia and Panama.

您不再需要穿过连接哥伦比亚和巴拿马的经常致命的达里安峡谷。

Word spread on social media about it.

关于此事的消息在社交媒体上传播开来。

And lots of people came.

而且来了很多人。

If you notice when you look around the room, it's mostly Black migrants, right?

如果你环顾一下房间，就会发现大部分都是黑人移民，对吧？

It is the one place where they get people that look like them that are giving them direct services.

这是他们找到与他们相似的人为他们提供直接服务的地方。

Everywhere they go, we're turned away.

无论他们走到哪里，我们都被拒之门外。

There's no one who's going above and beyond to translate if they don't speak the language.

如果他们不会说这种语言，就没有人能够超越他们的翻译水平。

But everyone here speaks that language.

但这里的每个人都说这种语言。

Languages like Pulaar and Wolof, but also Arabic and French.

普拉尔语和沃洛夫语等语言，还有阿拉伯语和法语。

And everybody providing those services is a volunteer, including Adama.

每个提供这些服务的人都是志愿者，包括阿达玛。

She's not getting paid for any of this.

她没有因此获得任何报酬。

To make money, she has a part-time job.

为了赚钱，她有一份兼职工作。

And it seems like she's just about making all of this work, which is wild because most of her time I was at Afrikana, I found myself thinking, what would happen if this place didn't exist?

看起来她只是在做所有这些工作，这很疯狂，因为她大部分时间我都在南非语，我发现自己在想，如果这个地方不存在会发生什么？

I watched person after person come in to inquire about an important piece of mail they had forwarded to Afrikana, because with all of the moving they were doing from shelter to shelter, this was their permanent mailing address.

我看到一个又一个的人进来询问他们转发给南非语的一封重要邮件，因为随着他们从一个避难所搬到另一个避难所，这就是他们的永久邮寄地址。

I met a woman who'd had a baby just a week earlier who was limping around the office, stitches and all, because she just wanted to be around other people from her country.

我遇到了一位女士，她一周前刚刚生了孩子，她在办公室里一瘸一拐地走来走去，缝了针等等，因为她只想和来自她国家的其他人在一起。

And in the middle of this, I saw Adama digging through crates looking for mail, calming disputes.

就在这中间，我看到阿达玛在箱子里翻找邮件，平息了争端。

She seemed unable to get through a quick Zoom call at her desk without someone who'd been helped days earlier popping by to give her an update or needing more guidance.

如果没有几天前接受过帮助的人过来向她提供最新情况或需要更多指导，她似乎无法在办公桌上快速完成 Zoom 通话。

I watched her constantly, and I mean, constantly lose track of her phone because she'd given it to volunteers who'd learned long ago that if you need something from a shelter manager or an attorney or anyone useful, it'll happen just that much faster if they think Adama Bah is calling.

我不断地看着她，我的意思是，经常失去她的手机踪迹，因为她把手机交给了志愿者，他们很久以前就知道，如果你需要避难所经理、律师或任何有用的人的帮助，如果他们认为阿达玛·巴打来电话，事情会发生得更快。

Trying to keep up with her, I kept looking for discrete ways to tell her that I could really use a minute to catch my breath.

为了跟上她的步伐，我一直在寻找离散的方式来告诉她我真的需要一分钟的时间来喘口气。

But there are no breaks, she says, not when she's helping all of these people.

但她说，当她帮助所有这些人时，就不会休息。

I have a random question for you, which is a simple one.

我有一个随机问题要问你，这是一个简单的问题。

When do you like-- when do you eat?

你什么时候喜欢——什么时候吃？

I'm eating now.

我现在正在吃饭。

I have a peppermint.

我有一颗薄荷。

I don't eat because they're not eating.

我不吃东西，因为他们不吃东西。

So I'm so embarrassed to eat in front of them.

所以我很不好意思在他们面前吃饭。

So I'd rather chew gum and a peppermint.

所以我宁愿嚼口香糖和薄荷。

You wait until you get home?

你要等到回家吗？

Adama Bah Unfortunately, yeah.

阿达玛·巴 不幸的是，是的。

I'm surprised I'm not skinny.

我很惊讶我并不瘦。

[LAUGHING] Follow me.

[笑]跟我来。

Next spot.

下一个地点。

Adama's biggest challenge today is 27 young men, aged 18 through 21 here in the US without their parents.

安道麦今天面临的最大挑战是美国 27 名年龄在 18 岁到 21 岁之间、没有父母陪伴的年轻人。

Today, Adama wants to find them all housing.

如今，阿达玛希望为他们所有人找到住房。

And she's trying to get them into what she says is the gold standard here.

她正在努力让他们遵守她所说的黄金标准。

Instead of regular migrant shelters, she wants to get them placed in the city's youth shelter system.

她希望将他们安置在城市的青少年庇护所系统中，而不是常规的移民庇护所。

That system serves all young New Yorkers aged 16 through 21 without homes, not just migrants.

该系统为所有 16 岁至 21 岁无家可归的纽约年轻人提供服务，而不仅仅是移民。

And in the youth shelter system, you could potentially get a spot for up to two years, not just 30 days.

在青少年庇护所系统中，您有可能获得长达两年的席位，而不仅仅是 30 天。

You also get vocational training, mental health services, and help finding schools, which are all services these kids would rarely get in the regular migrant shelters.

你还可以获得职业培训、心理健康服务，并帮助寻找学校，这些都是这些孩子在正规移民收容所很少获得的服务。

It's going to be hard for Adama to place all 27 boys, though, because a lot of the youth shelters are full.

不过，阿达玛很难安置所有 27 名男孩，因为很多青少年庇护所都已满员。

Most of the boys know that they could be in for a bit of a wait, so they spread out around the room lounging.

大多数男孩都知道他们可能需要等待一段时间，所以他们分散在房间里闲逛。

Almost everyone is on their phones watching soccer and talking to people back home.

几乎每个人都在用手机观看足球比赛并与家里的人聊天。

One guy, though, who isn't on his phone is a 19-year-old named Lamine.

不过，有一位 19 岁的年轻人拉明 (Lamine) 没有打电话。

He's the one person who asks me straight up, who are you exactly?

他是唯一一个直接问我的人，你到底是谁？

Do you work with immigration?

您与移民局合作吗？

[SPEAKING FRENCH] Emmanuel Dzotsi No, no, [SPEAKING FRENCH]

[说法语] Emmanuel Dzotsi 不，不，[说法语]

I speak French because I lived in Belgium for a few years as a kid.

我说法语是因为我小时候在比利时住过几年。

Never picked up the word for podcast, though.

不过，我从来没有听说过播客这个词。

And as I struggle to remember if I can just say podcast, I can feel Lamine sizing me up, wondering if I can be helpful to him in any way.

当我努力记起是否可以只说播客时，我能感觉到拉明在打量我，想知道我是否可以以任何方式帮助他。

He figures out quickly that I probably can't.

他很快就发现我可能做不到。

But he's still happy to talk with me.

但他还是很乐意和我说话。

He explains that he's from Guinea.

他解释说他来自几内亚。

Says both of his parents are dead.

说他的父母都去世了。

And a couple of years ago after a coup d'etat in his country, the one parental figure in his life, a military officer who'd more or less adopted him, went missing.

几年前，在他的国家发生政变后，他生命中唯一的父母人物、一位或多或少收养了他的军官失踪了。

Interpreter It shocked me.

翻译这让我震惊。

I don't know if he was just in prison or if he's dead.

我不知道他是刚刚入狱还是已经死了。

I don't know.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我不知道。

All of it pushed me to leave the country because back there, my life wasn't guaranteed.

所有这一切都促使我离开这个国家，因为在那里，我的生活没有保障。

Luckily, Lamine says he knew someone who knew someone who could help get him out, which, I should add, always seems to be a thing for Lamine.

幸运的是，拉明说他认识一个人，而这个人认识一个可以帮助他脱身的人，我应该补充一点，这对拉明来说似乎总是一件事情。

He just has this knack for seeking out the right people for help.

他只是有寻找合适的人寻求帮助的本领。

And there's an earnestness about him, I think, that wins them over.

我认为，他的真诚赢得了他们的青睐。

That's how he found his first shelter in New York from a random stranger on the street.

就这样，他在纽约找到了第一个庇护所，躲避街上随机出现的陌生人。

And it's how he heard about Afrikana.

这就是他听说南非语的方式。

Lamine showed me his Facebook page.

拉明给我看了他的 Facebook 页面。

There's this video of him at the airport in Texas.

有一段他在德克萨斯州机场的视频。

[SPEAKING FRENCH] Emmanuel Dzotsi It's kind of his I've made it to America video.

[说法语] Emmanuel Dzotsi 这是他的《我已成功抵达美国》视频。

He looks sheepish, almost embarrassed in it.

他看起来很羞怯，几乎有些尴尬。

But he is so incredibly happy.

但他非常高兴。

He looks legitimately really young, younger somehow than the Lamine in front of me.

他看起来确实很年轻，不知何故比我面前的拉明年轻。

What a difference three weeks makes.

三周的变化是多么大啊。

Now that he's in New York, he doesn't really talk to people back home.

现在他在纽约，他很少和家里的人说话。

And he feels guilty about that.

他对此感到内疚。

Interpreter I got rid of my African number on WhatsApp.

我在 WhatsApp 上删除了我的非洲号码。

I got an American number so I could forget.

我有一个美国号码，这样我就可以忘记。

Lamine doesn't want to think about his life in Guinea.

拉明不想去想他在几内亚的生活。

But he doesn't want to talk about New York, either.

但他也不想谈论纽约。

I think people will ask me how they can get here.

我想人们会问我如何到达这里。

They'll think they can change their lives, that everything will change.

他们会认为他们可以改变自己的生活，一切都会改变。

But it's the opposite.

但事实恰恰相反。

I can't tell someone in my country to come here if you're not in big danger.

如果你没有遇到很大的危险，我不能告诉我的国家的人来这里。

If you're in danger, OK, because here in the US there is security.

如果你处于危险之中，没关系，因为在美国这里很安全。

But here, being undocumented is not easy.

但在这里，无证并不容易。

It's not easy.

这并不容易。

[SPEAKING FRENCH] Emmanuel Dzotsi Right now, he's in a shelter, a big tent facility on Randall's Island next to Manhattan.

[说法语] Emmanuel Dzotsi 现在，他在一个避难所里，这是曼哈顿旁边兰德尔岛上的一个大帐篷设施。

But in just two weeks, he'll run up against the city's 30-day limit.

但仅仅两周后，他就将达到该市 30 天的限制。

That's actually why he's here at Afrikana.

这实际上就是他来到非洲语的原因。

He's trying to figure out where to go next.

他正在思考下一步该去哪里。

As the day goes on, the 27 young men are getting restless.

日子一天天过去，27个年轻人变得焦躁不安。

So far, Adama has only managed to find places for just two of these guys at a shelter called Covenant House.

到目前为止，阿达玛只在一个名为“契约之家”的庇护所中为其中两个人找到了住处。

She says it's one of the best in the city.

她说这是城里最好的之一。

It's not until 7:30, almost 10 hours after I arrived at Afrikana, that one of the volunteers who's been helping out Adama all day hears back from a place she's been waiting on.

直到 7 点 30 分，也就是我到达 Afrikana 近 10 个小时后，一位整天为阿达玛提供帮助的志愿者才从她一直在等待的地方收到回音。

This organization will take kids.

这个组织会带孩子去。

But she tells the boys, there's a catch.

但她告诉男孩们，有一个问题。

[SPEAKING FRENCH] Emmanuel Dzotsi Only 16 people can go, she says.

[说法语] Emmanuel Dzotsi 她说，只有 16 个人可以去。

She reads out 16 names.

她读出了16个名字。

Lamine is not on that list.

拉明并不在该名单上。

He looks upset.

他看起来很沮丧。

He's going to have to come back in the morning and try all of this all over again.

他必须早上回来并重新尝试所有这一切。

I tell him I'll catch up with him later.

我告诉他我稍后会追上他。

And I follow the 16 kids out the door.

我跟着 16 个孩子出了门。

Those young men have one last task sitting between them and this day finally being over.

这些年轻人还有最后一项任务摆在他们面前，这一天终于结束了。

They have to make a roughly 30-minute walk to where they'll be staying.

他们必须步行大约 30 分钟才能到达住宿地点。

All right, let's go.

好吧，我们走吧。

I start walking with them, only to realize that we have a couple of stragglers.

我开始和他们一起走，却发现我们有几个掉队的人。

They are coming.

他们来了。

Hey, hey, hey, we leave.

嘿嘿嘿，我们走了。

And then it dawns on me.

然后我恍然大悟。

Me and these youth were both given the address.

我和这些年轻人都得到了地址。

But I'm the one with Google Maps pulled up.

但我是那个打开谷歌地图的人。

I'm not following these youth to their next living situation.

我不会跟随这些年轻人走向他们的下一个生活处境。

I'm taking them there.

我要带他们去那里。

It's a little chaotic.

有点混乱。

A few of them charge ahead, moving like they know where they're going even though they don't, and acting kind of insultingly like they're not with me.

他们中的一些人向前冲锋，尽管他们不知道自己要去哪里，但他们却表现得有点侮辱性，就像他们不和我在一起一样。

I watch one of them try to jaywalk and almost go headfirst into oncoming traffic.

我看到其中一个人试图乱穿马路，差点一头冲进迎面驶来的车流中。

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

等等，等等，等等，等等，等等，等等，等等。

wait.

等待。

If one of you dies, I'm so fucked.

如果你们中的一个人死了，我就完蛋了。

Amazingly, we get to our destination in one piece and on time.

令人惊奇的是，我们顺利地准时到达了目的地。

I ring the doorbell of the place.

我按响了那个地方的门铃。

And one of the teenagers, the same one I yanked back from traffic earlier, taps me on the shoulder and asks me, you're going to wait with us, right?

其中一名青少年，就是我之前从车流中拉回来的那个青少年，拍了拍我的肩膀，问我，你要和我们一起等，对吗？

See how it is?

看看怎么样？

I got you.

我接到你了。

Emmanuel Dzotsi I got you, bro.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 我找到你了，兄弟。

And then a woman opens the door and welcomes us.

然后一位女士打开门欢迎我们。

Hi.

你好。

Hi, you guys.

嗨，你们。

Emmanuel Dzotsi I'm just a journalist who walked with them over from the thing.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 我只是一名记者，和他们一起从那件事中走过来。

She has some important information to share with everyone, but she doesn't speak French.

她有一些重要信息要与大家分享，但她不会说法语。

So I translate.

所以我翻译一下。

I'm going to welcome them for five days.

我要迎接他们五天。

Monday morning, they go back to Afrikana.

周一早上，他们回到南非语。

Five days, that's it.

五天，就这样吧。

I feel terrible communicating this to the boys.

我觉得向男孩们传达这一点很糟糕。

This is not going to be their new home.

这不会是他们的新家。

And every day, they have to clear out of here from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM.

每天，他们必须从上午 8:00 到晚上 8:00 离开这里。

One of her boys mouths to me, [SPEAKING FRENCH], it's crazy.

她的一个男孩对我说，[说法语]，这太疯狂了。

I don't know what to tell him.

我不知道该告诉他什么。

I kind of agree.

我有点同意。

I thought that when I went to Afrikana, I'd be taking a look at a sort of safety net under the city's safety net, a place that was catching all these people the city maybe wasn't.

我以为当我去非洲语时，我会看到城市安全网下的某种安全网，一个吸引所有城市可能没有的人的地方。

But that safety net has holes in it.

但这个安全网有漏洞。

For all the work Adama and her volunteers put in, it feels like it all comes down to luck.

对于阿达玛和她的志愿者所做的所有工作，感觉一切都归功于运气。

In the weeks that followed, I got texts and calls from a couple of the boys.

在接下来的几周里，我收到了几个男孩的短信和电话。

They told me that they hadn't gotten placed in a long-term youth facility, that instead, they doubled down on staying in the city's regular migrant shelters.

他们告诉我，他们没有被安置在长期青少年收容所，相反，他们加倍努力留在城市的常规移民收容所。

Adama told me it used to be easier to place young people.

阿达玛告诉我，过去安置年轻人比较容易。

I happened to be there in late October, right when it started to become almost impossible.

我碰巧在十月下旬到达那里，就在那时它开始变得几乎不可能。

The youth shelter system is full.

青少年庇护所系统已满。

For weeks, I didn't hear anything from Lamine.

几个星期以来，我没有收到拉明的任何消息。

But when I did get in touch with him, he told me he's staying at Covenant House, the big youth shelter Adama says is one of the best.

但当我联系到他时，他告诉我他住在 Covenant House，阿达玛说这是最好的大型青少年庇护所之一。

He says he got the address off someone he met that day at Afrikana, and he took it from there.

他说他从那天在非洲语遇到的一个人那里得到了地址，然后他就从那里拿走了地址。

I got in here myself, he told me.

“我自己进来的，”他告诉我。

Interpreter Every day at 6:00 AM, I got up to go to Covenant House to ask if they have a place.

翻译 每天早上 6:00，我起床去 Covenant House 询问他们是否有空位。

They told me there is no place, so I came back.

他们告诉我没有地方了，所以我就回来了。

The next day, they said they still didn't have a place, but that maybe if I came back there, it might be a spot.

第二天，他们说仍然没有位置，但如果我回到那里，也许会有一个位置。

So I kept going day after day.

所以我日复一日地坚持下去。

And then they told me they had a spot.

然后他们告诉我他们有一个位置。

Interpreter I did it.

翻译我做到了。

Not with the help of Afrikana.

不是在南非语的帮助下。

I did it alone.

我一个人做的。

Just me.

只有我。

[SPEAKING FRENCH] Emmanuel Dzotsi You can hear it, right, the pride in his voice?

[说法语] Emmanuel Dzotsi 你能听出来，对吧，他声音里的骄傲？

And he should be proud.

他应该感到自豪。

He didn't get into one of Covenant House's two-year programs.

他没有进入圣约之家的一项为期两年的项目。

But they did give him a spot for 60 days.

但他们确实给了他 60 天的名额。

He's going to school, learning English slowly.

他要去学校，慢慢地学习英语。

He's still sussing out how I can be useful, I think.

我想他还在思考如何让我变得有用。

Lately when we've talked, he's had a few questions for me about my own immigration story, how I came here.

最近，当我们交谈时，他问了我一些关于我自己的移民故事、我是如何来到这里的问题。

Adama told me she has a lot of Lamines, people who figure it out on their own.

阿达玛告诉我，她身边有很多拉明，他们都是靠自己解决问题的人。

That was her goal when she first opened Afrikana.

这是她第一次开设 Afrikana 时的目标。

She'd help folks, and they'd be gone because she'd have connected them to the right people.

她会帮助人们，而他们会离开，因为她会把他们与合适的人联系起来。

But she's serving hundreds of people a day because so many of them end up returning.

但她每天要为数百人提供服务，因为很多人最终都会回来。

And so many more keep arriving.

还有更多的人不断到来。

The night I came home from Afrikana after 10 hours with her, I'd been in bed about an hour when I got a call from Adama.

和她待了 10 个小时后，我从南非语回到家，那天晚上，我在床上躺了大约一个小时，接到了阿达玛的电话。

There are buses on the way that she was meeting that night.

那天晚上她见面的路上有公交车。

Starting the whole thing all over again.

整个事情重新开始。

Emmanuel Dzotsi produced today's episode of our show.

Emmanuel Dzotsi 制作了我们今天的节目。

["NEW YORK, NEW YORK"] (SINGING) Start spreading the news.

[“纽约，纽约”]（唱歌）开始传播消息。

I'm leaving today.

我今天就要走了。

I want to be a part of it, New York, New York.

我想成为其中的一部分，纽约，纽约。

People who put together today's show include Bim Adewunmi, Chris Benderev, James Bennett the Second, Phia Bennin, Jendayi Bonds, Sean Cole, Michael Comite, Andrea Lopez Cruzado, Chana Joffe-Walt, Tobin Low, Miki Meek, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Rae Mondo, Nadia Reiman, Ryan Rumery, Ike Sriskandarajah, Lilly Sullivan, Frances Swanson, Christopher Swetala, Marisa Robertson-Textor, Matt Tierney, and Julie Whitaker.

今天节目的制作人包括 Bim Adewunmi、Chris Benderev、James Bennett the Second、Phia Bennin、Jendayi Bonds、Sean Cole、Michael Comite、Andrea Lopez Cruzado、Chana Joffe-Walt、Tobin Low、Miki Meek、Stowe Nelson、Katherine Rae Mondo、Nadia Reiman、Ryan Rumery、Ike Sriskandarajah、Lilly沙利文、弗朗西斯·斯旺森、克里斯托弗·斯维塔拉、玛丽莎·罗伯逊-特克斯特、马特·蒂尔尼和朱莉·惠特克。

Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.

我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。

Our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.

我们的高级编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。

Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.

我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。

We had editing help today from Gwynne Hogan.

今天我们得到了格温·霍根 (Gwynne Hogan) 的编辑帮助。

We first heard about Adama Bah and Afrikana from a Chalkbeat article by Eliana Perozo.

我们第一次听说 Adama Bah 和 Afrikana 是从 Eliana Perozo 的 Chalkbeat 文章中。

We had many interpreters today.

今天我们有很多口译员。

Wolof interpretation by Arame Ngom.

Arame Ngom 对沃洛夫语的诠释。

Pulaar and French by Abou Dia.

阿布·迪亚 (Abou Dia) 的《普拉阿尔》和《法语》。

Charlotte Morlie also did French.

夏洛特·莫利还学法语。

Arabic, Hany Hawasly, who also helped us with fact checking.

阿拉伯语的 Hany Hawasly，他还帮助我们进行事实核查。

Spanish interpretation by David Mora, who also helped with field producing, Andrew Belisle, JoAnn DeLuna, and my interpreter in Times Square Ramon Mendez.

西班牙语翻译由大卫·莫拉（David Mora）负责，他还协助现场制作，还有安德鲁·贝利斯勒（Andrew Belisle）、乔安·德鲁纳（JoAnn DeLuna）和我在时代广场的翻译拉蒙·门德斯（Ramon Mendez）。

Voiceovers in English in Act 5 from Karim Diane.

第五幕由卡里姆·黛安 (Karim Diane) 提供英语配音。

Special thanks today to Jamie Powlovich, Michelle Navarro, Jasmine Garsd, Jordan Salama, Bahar Ostadan, Cody-Rae Knue, Camille Mackler, Rachel Lissy, Kirstyn Brendlen, Kate Smart, Gabriella Munoz de Zubiria, Natalia Vellejo Ulloa, Eric Chen, and Dana Ballout.

今天特别感谢 Jamie Powlovich、Michelle Navarro、Jasmine Garsd、Jordan Salama、Bahar Ostadan、Cody-Rae Knue、Camille Mackler、Rachel Lissy、Kirstyn Brendlen、Kate Smart、Gabriella Munoz de Zubiria、Natalia Vellejo Ulloa、Eric Chen 和 Dana Ballout。

Our website thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 800 episodes for absolutely free.

我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地播放我们的 800 多集档案。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia, who was horrified to learn that the New Yorker is coming out with a thousand-page holiday edition of the magazine.

一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 先生，当他得知《纽约客》即将推出千页假日版杂志时，他感到非常震惊。

Imagine, imagine the collective weight on the front stoop.

想象一下，想象一下前廊上的集体重量。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of this American Life.

下周我们将带来更多有关美国生活的故事。

["NEW YORK, NEW YORK"] (SINGING) If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere.

[“纽约，纽约”]（唱歌）如果我能到达那里，我会到达任何地方。

New York.

纽约。

It's up to you, New York.

这取决于你，纽约。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。