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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass When I talked to Scharlette Holdman, she'd spent 35 years working with defense teams on death penalty cases, including a very high-profile cases.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 当我与 Scharlette Holdman 交谈时，她已经与辩护团队合作处理死刑案件 35 年，其中包括一个非常引人注目的案件。
But she hadn't given an interview to the press in decades, ever since an incident where she had a few drinks with a reporter, and said some things she was unhappy to see in print.
但自从她与记者喝了几杯酒并说了一些她不高兴在报纸上看到的事情以来，她已经几十年没有接受过媒体采访了。
And it was so embarrassing.
这太尴尬了。
And I thought, well, I either have to quit drinking or quit doing interviews.
我想，好吧，我要么必须戒酒，要么停止接受采访。
And I wasn't ready to quit drinking yet.
而且我还没有准备好戒酒。
So I quit doing interviews.
所以我放弃了采访。
[LAUGHTER] So this interview is a very rare event for me.
[笑声] 所以这次采访对我来说是一次非常难得的活动。
I haven't done any kind of interviews with the media since '85.
自 85 年以来我就没有接受过任何媒体采访。
And you are ending the moratorium in this one instance, for this story, why?
在这个例子中，你要结束这个故事的暂停，为什么？
Well, a fluffy, red-combed leghorn deserves his moment in the sun-- just the image.
好吧，一只毛茸茸的、红冠的来亨鸟值得在阳光下度过一瞬间——只是这个形象。
And I'm not talking about any chicken.
我不是在谈论任何鸡。
I'm talking about-- you can just picture it, this beautiful Leghorn, his tail perked up, and that red comb, sitting at a rakish angle on his head, and his head cocked to the side.
我说的是——你可以想象一下，这只美丽的来亨鸡，它的尾巴竖起来，那红色的梳子以一个潇洒的角度坐在它的头上，它的头歪向一边。
And he looks at you with his little eyes.
他用他的小眼睛看着你。
That's what this story is about.
这就是这个故事的主题。
That is not just what this story is about.
这不仅仅是这个故事的主题。
That is what a lot of today's radio show is about.
这就是今天很多广播节目的主题。
Back in the early days of our radio show, once a year, during the highest poultry consumption time in the country, which is, of course-- if you about this for a second, you can guess the answer to this.
早在我们广播节目的早期，每年一次，在全国家禽消费最高的时期，当然，如果您稍微考虑一下这个问题，您就可以猜到答案。
It's the weeks that begin with Thanksgiving, and go through Christmas and New Year's.
这是从感恩节开始的几周，一直到圣诞节和新年。
Anyway, during that period, for years on our show, we had a tradition here, where we would devote an entire hour of our program to stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, fowl of all kind.
不管怎样，在那段时期，多年来我们的节目中，我们都有一个传统，我们会用整整一个小时的节目来讲述鸡、火鸡、鸭子和各种家禽的故事。
In an homage to Chicago's poetry slams, which were spread across the country, but were created at the Green Mill Bar on the North side by poet Marc Smith, we named these programs "poultry" slams-- poultry.
为了向遍布全国的芝加哥诗歌大满贯致敬，这些诗歌大满贯是由诗人马克·史密斯在北侧的格林米尔酒吧创作的，我们将这些节目命名为“家禽”大满贯——家禽。
But I just want to be clear, before we begin, the word "slam," we are using that with no malice toward any bird of any kind at all.
但在我们开始之前，我只想澄清一下，我们使用“猛击”这个词时，对任何种类的鸟类都没有恶意。
No birds were hurt, no birds were slaughtered, no birds were slammed in the making of today's program.
在今天的节目制作过程中，没有一只鸟受到伤害，没有一只鸟被屠杀，没有一只鸟被猛烈撞击。
And we have incredible stories today, incredible enough that at least one woman has ended a quarter-century moratorium on talking to the press to be here with me.
今天我们有令人难以置信的故事，令人难以置信的是，至少有一位女性结束了四分之一个世纪以来暂停与媒体交谈的禁令，来到这里和我在一起。
And you should too.
你也应该这样做。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act one, Witness for the Barbicue-tion.
第一幕，烧烤的见证人。
Scharlette Holdman didn't just get the idea of calling a chicken as a witness in a murder case out of the blue.
莎莉特·霍尔德曼并不是突然想到传唤一只鸡作为谋杀案的证人。
She was working on this case-- and we're going to call this guy Harry-- and there was no question that the guy had killed somebody.
她正在调查这个案子——我们称这个人为哈利——毫无疑问，这个人杀了人。
This wasn't about whether he'd done it.
这不是他是否做到了的问题。
It was about what sentence he would get.
这是关于他会得到什么判决。
He had sat on death row at San Quentin for 10 years.
他在圣昆廷监狱的死囚牢房里坐了十年。
But Scharlette says he was schizophrenic, with an IQ of 58, and just out of touch with reality.
但沙莱特说他患有精神分裂症，智商为 58，而且与现实脱节。
And one of the things he did-- he wrote messages and symbols on little pieces of toilet paper, and rolled them up in a ball-- and had done this for years on death row-- rolled the little secret messages up in a ball, and then rolled them in feces, his own feces, into little, tiny, bead-sized balls, and put those into the braids in his hair--
他所做的一件事——他在小片卫生纸上写下信息和符号，然后把它们卷成一个球——在死囚牢房里多年来一直这样做——把这些小小的秘密信息卷成一个球，然后把它们卷在粪便中，他自己的粪便，卷成小而微小的珠子大小的球，然后把它们编进他头发的辫子里——
Oh, my.
哦，我的。
Scharlette Holdman --so that they dangled around his forehead.
莎莉特·霍尔德曼——这样它们就挂在他的额头上。
And the things he was putting in his hair, from his point of view, were they communicating some information, the little messages?
从他的角度来看，他放在头发上的东西是否在传达一些信息，一些小信息？
Exactly.
确切地。
But he couldn't tell me what the messages were because they were secret.
但他无法告诉我这些信息是什么，因为它们是秘密的。
When I would talk to him about his mother, he would tell me she lived in a Coca-Cola can.
当我和他谈论他的母亲时，他会告诉我她住在可口可乐罐里。
It's against the law to execute somebody who is so crazy he doesn't understand why he's being executed.
处决一个疯狂到不明白自己为何被处决的人是违法的。
And Scharlette said that was true for this guy.
沙莱特说这对这个人来说确实如此。
When I would say, do you know what's going to happen on the 12th of June, he was befuddled.
当我说“你知道 6 月 12 日会发生什么吗”时，他很困惑。
And with pressure, he would finally say, well, yeah, he thought he was going to be re-upholstered.
迫于压力，他最终会说，好吧，是的，他认为他会被重新安置。
The state of California did not agree with Scharlette about this guy.
加利福尼亚州不同意沙莱特关于这个人的看法。
They wanted to execute him in 30 days.
他们想在30天内处决他。
Scharlette's team was making a last-ditch appeal to stay this execution.
沙莱特的团队正在做出最后的呼吁，要求暂缓执行死刑。
Meanwhile, the state was gathering its evidence.
与此同时，该州正在收集证据。
San Quentin sent in a prison psychiatrist to determine, was he competent to be executed?
圣昆廷派了一名监狱精神病医生来确定他是否有能力被处决？
Did he know he was going to be executed?
他知道自己将被处决吗？
And did he know why he was going to be executed?
他知道自己为什么要被处决吗？
So the psychiatrist goes and interviews Harry.
于是精神科医生前去采访哈利。
And then the psychiatrist testified in court that not only was Harry aware that he was going to be executed, she was so certain of this because she had played tic-tac-toe with him and Harry had beat her.
然后精神科医生在法庭上作证说，哈利不仅知道自己将被处决，而且她也如此确信这一点，因为她和他玩过井字棋，而哈利打败了她。
Well, it was so absurd and so outside of any normal experience in a courtroom-- and this was after 30 years of being in death penalty cases in the South, around the world.
好吧，这太荒谬了，超出了法庭上的任何正常经验——而这是在南方和世界各地的死刑案件发生 30 年后发生的。
And I really couldn't believe she had said it.
我真的不敢相信她会这么说。
But at the same time, the only image that came to me-- I'm from the South, obviously.
但与此同时，我脑海中浮现出的唯一印象是——显然，我来自南方。
And growing up, we always went to the Mid-South Fair.
从小到大，我们总是去中南博览会。
And they had a chicken that played tic-tac-toe, that absolutely mesmerized me.
他们有一只会玩井字棋的鸡，这让我着迷。
And it was pretty clear to me, OK, we've got to find a chicken who can play tic-tac-toe.
我很清楚，好吧，我们必须找到一只会玩井字棋的鸡。
Scharlette thought-- and this is not a joke.
莎莉特心想——这不是玩笑。
It's not an exaggeration-- she thought that a chicken like that could save this man's life.
不夸张，她以为这样的鸡就能救这个人的命了。
Jurors, after all, tend to believe the state and its witnesses.
毕竟，陪审员倾向于相信国家及其证人。
And a chicken like that could totally undermine the psychiatrist's testimony, by proving that playing tic-tac-toe doesn't mean that you understand things like why you're being executed.
像这样的鸡可能会完全破坏精神科医生的证词，因为它证明玩井字游戏并不意味着你了解诸如为什么要被处决之类的事情。
I just knew a chicken would work.
我只知道一只鸡会起作用。
It's a sad state.
这是一种悲伤的状态。
But I think a chicken has more credibility than the defense team did.
但我认为鸡比辩护队更有可信度。
And I think it would have brought the jury over to seeing us as people, rather than as these obstructionists, who were interfering with an execution.
我认为这会让陪审团将我们视为人，而不是这些干扰执行的阻挠者。
And who can doubt a chicken?
谁能怀疑鸡呢？
Chickens aren't going to lie.
鸡是不会说谎的。
Chickens have integrity.
鸡有诚信。
I had this image of the psychiatrist being on the stand.
我脑海中浮现出精神科医生站在证人席上的画面。
And I would quietly enter through the wooden doors, as they opened, with this beautiful Leghorn under my arm, and the comb at a rakish angle.
当木门打开时，我会悄悄地走进来，腋下夹着这把美丽的来亨鸡，梳子的角度也很潇洒。
And as I walked into the courtroom, not saying a word, and quietly took a seat on the front row, the psychiatrist, who we knew because we had investigated her background from New York City, would see a person with a chicken and think, why is that-- oh, my god, no. And that psychiatrist would slowly realize that she was going to have to play tic-tac-toe with a chicken.
当我走进法庭，一言不发，静静地坐在前排时，那位精神科医生（我们是因为调查了她在纽约的背景而认识她的）会看到一个拿着鸡的人，然后想，为什么会这样——哦，天啊，不。那位精神科医生会慢慢意识到她将不得不和一只鸡玩井字游戏。
So you're trying to psych out-- you were trying to get inside the psychiatrist's head--
所以你试图摆脱心理困扰——你试图进入精神科医生的头脑——
Exactly.
正是如此。
Ira Glass --and make the psychiatrist unravel even before you pull your stunt.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）——甚至在你施展绝技之前就让精神科医生解开谜团。
The jury's eyes as awareness overcame her.
陪审团的目光作为意识征服了她。
So it wouldn't work with the frazzled chicken.
所以它对疲惫不堪的鸡不起作用。
I didn't want to splotchy, beat-up, tired, exhausted chicken.
我不想养一只脏兮兮、疲惫不堪、筋疲力尽的鸡。
I wanted a chicken that could capture the audience's attention.
我想要一只能够吸引观众注意力的鸡。
In this case, the audience was the jury.
在这种情况下，观众就是陪审团。
Right.
正确的。
You needed a chicken like in a cartoon.
你需要一只像卡通片中那样的鸡。
I had to have a chicken that could take on a psychiatrist.
我必须有一只可以对抗精神科医生的鸡。
It had to be a stand-up chicken.
它必须是一只站立的鸡。
Noted.
著名的。
Scharlette Holdman So we began to hunt for this stand-up chicken.
Scharlette Holdman 于是我们开始寻找这只站立的鸡。
Well, this task fell to the legal interns.
好吧，这个任务就落到了法律实习生身上。
A man was scheduled to die, at that point, in less than two weeks.
到那时，一个人将在不到两周的时间里死去。
And they needed a chicken.
他们需要一只鸡。
And they searched the places that you find tic-tac-toe playing chickens, namely county fairs, carnivals.
他们搜查了那些你可以找到井字棋玩小鸡的地方，即县集市、嘉年华。
And really, within hours, they found a tic-tac-toe playing goose in Montana.
确实，几个小时之内，他们就在蒙大拿州发现了一个正在玩井字游戏的鹅。
But of course, Scharlette says that was totally unacceptable.
但当然，沙莱特说这是完全不可接受的。
Geese are nasty.
鹅很讨厌。
They bite you.
他们咬你。
And I didn't want a goose running around the courtroom, chasing someone.
我不想让鹅在法庭上跑来跑去，追赶某人。
Next was a guy at a roadside stand in Wyoming who did have a chicken.
接下来是怀俄明州路边摊上的一个人，他确实有一只鸡。
And it did play tic-tac-toe.
它确实玩了井字游戏。
But he said that flying or driving it to California for the trial would probably upset it so much that he could not guarantee that it would win the game of tic-tac-toe.
但他表示，飞或驾驶它到加利福尼亚州进行试验可能会让它非常沮丧，以至于他无法保证它会赢得井字棋游戏。
So he was out.
所以他出去了。
Finally, they found a fellow in Arkansas who trains chickens to play tic-tac-toe.
最后，他们在阿肯色州找到了一个训练鸡玩井字棋的人。
And he had a whole list of chickens that he had trained around the country.
他有一份他在全国各地训练过的鸡的完整清单。
And he sent the legal team to one of those birds, in San Francisco.
他派法律团队去找旧金山的其中一只鸟。
That turned out to be a dead end.
结果发现这是一个死胡同。
San Francisco had actually passed an ordinance banning the playing of tic-tac-toe by chickens, as animal cruelty.
旧金山实际上已经通过了一项法令，禁止鸡玩井字棋，视为虐待动物。
Fortunately, another chicken on the list was not far from there, at the boardwalk in Santa Cruz.
幸运的是，名单上的另一只鸡就在离那里不远的地方，在圣克鲁斯的木板路上。
They had their chicken.
他们吃了鸡。
So the next step was to convince the Court to let us bring the chicken to court as a witness, as demonstrative evidence, to introduce the chicken, and let the chicken play tic-tac-toe.
所以下一步就是说服法院让我们把鸡带到法庭上作为证人，作为证明性证据，介绍鸡，让鸡玩井字游戏。
Now of course, I wanted the chicken to play tic-tac-toe with the psychiatrist.
当然，现在我想让鸡和精神科医生玩井字棋。
But I realized--
但我意识到——
[LAUGHTER] --yeah, that most likely, no one was going to let us get away with that.
[笑声]——是的，很可能没有人会让我们逃脱惩罚。
But I did think that any of us, a really healthy group of interns.
但我确实认为我们中的任何一个人都是一群非常健康的实习生。
They knew how to play tic-tac-toe-- so that we could demonstrate to the jury that playing tic-tac-toe did not mean that you were aware of the consequences of your actions.
他们知道如何玩井字游戏——这样我们就可以向陪审团证明，玩井字游戏并不意味着你知道自己行为的后果。
Why wouldn't you be allowed to make the psychiatrist play tic-tac-toe with a chicken?
为什么不允许你让精神科医生和鸡玩井字游戏？
I understand why the psychiatrist would not want to do it.
我理解为什么精神科医生不愿意这样做。
But from a legal point of view, what line does that cross?
但从法律的角度来看，这跨越了什么界限呢？
Well, evidently-- I agree with you.
嗯，显然——我同意你的观点。
But the Court felt-- it never addressed the issue of having to play the psychiatrist-- but the Court felt that bringing the chicken into the courtroom to play tic-tac-toe would degrade the dignity of the Court.
但法院认为——它从未解决必须扮演精神病医生的问题——但法院认为将鸡带入法庭玩井字棋会降低法院的尊严。
I thought that the dignity of the Court was degraded by executing a mentally-ill person.
我认为处决一个精神病人是有损法院尊严的。
So the Court denied our motion and said we could not bring the chicken into the courtroom for demonstrative evidence.
因此法院驳回了我们的动议，并表示我们不能将鸡带入法庭作为证据。
It ruled against us.
它对我们不利。
They weren't even allowed to show the jury a video of the chicken playing tic-tac-toe.
他们甚至不被允许向陪审团展示小鸡玩井字棋的视频。
And without a chicken on the stand, without a video of a chicken, the jury found the psychiatrist credible, and ruled to execute Scharlette's client.
法庭上没有鸡，也没有鸡的视频，陪审团认为精神科医生是可信的，并裁定处决沙莱特的当事人。
His life was saved, later, on appeal.
后来，他在上诉中获救。
And in the years since then, in 2002, the Supreme Court ruled that a person at his level of mental retardation cannot be executed.
此后的几年里，2002年，最高法院裁定，对于像他这样的智力迟钝程度的人不能被处决。
For Scharlette, though, the story stays with her, the story of the chicken, because in decades of doing these capital trials, bringing hundreds of witnesses, it is the greatest courtroom move she ever invented, bringing in the chicken.
不过，对于沙莱特来说，这个故事，即鸡的故事，一直伴随着她，因为在数十年的死刑审判中，带来了数百名证人，这是她发明的最伟大的法庭举措，将鸡带进来。
And she never got to try it.
而她从来没有尝试过。
She invented this thing.
她发明了这个东西。
She never got to try it.
她从来没有尝试过。
It was snatched away from her.
它被从她身边夺走了。
Something like that sticks in your craw.
类似的东西粘在你的小腿上。
Well, yeah, because I didn't get to do it.
嗯，是的，因为我没能做到。
But it's also because of the nature and quality of a chicken.
但这也是因为鸡的本性和品质。
When you do this kind of work, when you're down in the worst part-- when you're trying to work for folks that literally, the community wants to kill, it can be pretty discouraging.
当你做这种工作时，当你处于最糟糕的境地时——当你试图为那些实际上是社区想要杀人的人工作时，这可能会非常令人沮丧。
But you have this nice, fluffy Leghorn, brightens up your day-- for John.
但你有这个漂亮、毛茸茸的来亨鸡，它能让你的一天充满光彩——对约翰来说。
And all of this-- all of this is not to make light of death as punishment, of people with mental retardation, of people who are mentally ill, or of chickens.
所有这一切，这一切并不是轻视死亡作为惩罚，对智障者、对精神病人、对鸡来说。
Thank you for saying that.
谢谢你这么说。
Scharlette Holdman Yeah.
莎莉特·霍尔德曼 是的。
And no, it's really not.
不，事实并非如此。
I actually am a member of PETA.
我实际上是善待动物组织（PETA）的成员。
Scharlette Holdman in New Orleans.
莎莉特·霍尔德曼在新奥尔良。
Today's show is a rerun.
今天的节目是重播。
We first broadcast this story back in 2011.
我们第一次播报这个故事是在 2011 年。
In the years since, capital punishment was suspended in the state of California by Governor Gavin Newsom.
此后的几年里，加州州长加文·纽瑟姆暂停了死刑。
Scharlette, this incredible person that I loved talking to, she was called the Angel of Death Row for her work in getting proper legal representation for people on death row.
Scharlette，我喜欢和这个令人难以置信的人交谈，她因为死囚区的人获得适当的法律代理而被称为“死囚天使”。
She died in 2017.
她于 2017 年去世。
Act two, Chicken Diva.
第二幕，鸡女主角。
Chickens are what we make of them, in lots of ways.
鸡在很多方面都是我们用它们创造出来的。
If you could possibly need further evidence of that, after that first act, we have this story from Jack Hitt.
如果你可能需要进一步的证据，在第一幕之后，我们有杰克·希特的这个故事。
Oddly enough, it wasn't Susan who was obsessed with chickens.
奇怪的是，痴迷于鸡的并不是苏珊。
It was Kenny, a pal who worked backstage at the 92nd Street Y in New York.
这是肯尼，一位在纽约第 92 街 Y 后台工作的朋友。
His house was filled with chicken cups, chicken masks.
他的家里堆满了鸡杯、鸡面具。
He got the whole staff onto chickens, including Susan.
他让全体员工都去养鸡，包括苏珊。
For a time there, in the '80s, poultry-related jokes and references became the fast way to get a laugh at the Y.
在 80 年代，有一段时间，与家禽相关的笑话和参考文献成为嘲笑 Y 的快捷方式。
I guess most of us are condemned to see nothing more than the easy comedy of chickens.
我想我们大多数人注定只会看到鸡的简单喜剧。
But Susan Vitucci saw something else, their potential greatness, their hidden beauty, their grandeur.
但苏珊·维图奇看到了其他东西，他们潜在的伟大，他们隐藏的美丽，他们的宏伟。
One day she glued together some finger puppets for a 10-minute rendition of the Chicken Little story for her nephew.
有一天，她把一些手指木偶粘在一起，为她的侄子表演了 10 分钟的《小鸡小故事》。
That was 14 years ago.
那是14年前的事了。
Today, it is a full-length opera, enjoyed by a cult following whenever it goes up in a workshop or cafe or small theater.
如今，它已成为一部长篇歌剧，每当它在工作室、咖啡馆或小剧院上演时，都会受到狂热追随者的喜爱。
It's still performed with finger puppets.
它仍然是用手指木偶表演的。
But now it has a complete score, written by a noted composer, Henry Krieger, who did Dreamgirls.
但现在它有了完整的配乐，由著名作曲家亨利·克里格（Henry Krieger）创作，他曾创作过《梦幻女郎》。
The Chicken Little opera he wrote with Susan Vitucci is called Love's Fowl.
他与苏珊·维图奇（Susan Vitucci）合作创作的《小鸡》歌剧名为《爱情之鸡》。
Needless to say, that's F-O-W-L.
不用说，那就是F-O-W-L。
Well, we were going to start with the opening, [NON-ENGLISH].
好吧，我们将从开场开始，[非英语]。
We are the Clothespin Repertory Theater.
我们是衣夹剧目剧院。
And we have a special singing guest for you, which I don't know--
我们为你们准备了一位特别的歌唱嘉宾，我不知道——
Susan and I are sitting at Henry's baby grand piano.
苏珊和我坐在亨利的小型三角钢琴前。
Henry's guest is his Maltese terrier, named Toby.
亨利的客人是他的马耳他梗犬，名叫托比。
Perhaps Toby would be kind enough to join me--
也许托比会好心加入我——
Yeah, would he sit on your lap for this?
是啊，他会为此坐在你腿上吗？
--at the piano.
——在钢琴旁。
Yeah, let's see what we can do.
是的，让我们看看我们能做什么。
OK.
好的。
OK, listen carefully because once Toby gets going, he actually harmonizes with Henry and Susan
好的，仔细听，因为一旦托比开始，他实际上与亨利和苏珊和谐相处
[MUSIC - HENRY KRIEGER AND SUSAN VITUCCI SINGING IN ITALIAN]
[音乐 - 亨利·克里格和苏珊·维图奇用意大利语演唱]
You may have noticed that this libretto is in Italian, just like a real opera.
您可能已经注意到，这个剧本是意大利语的，就像真正的歌剧一样。
Before, it was just a bunch of puppets in a box, with a good idea.
以前，它只是盒子里的一堆木偶，有一个好主意。
And then suddenly, as soon as it went into Italian, it became something bigger than what it had been.
然后突然间，当它进入意大利语时，它就变得比原来更大了。
And it's because when it's in English, we all know it.
这是因为当它是英文时，我们都知道它。
And it's really not that interesting.
这真的没那么有趣。
And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
就像，是啊，是啊，是啊。
As soon as it's in Italian, it gives us enough distance that we can come in.
一旦它是意大利语，它就给了我们足够的距离，让我们可以进来。
It makes us-- it's like the lover who doesn't want you.
它让我们——就像不想要你的情人一样。
You don't want anybody more than you want the one who doesn't want you.
你不想要任何人，正如你不想要那个不想要你的人一样。
Right?
正确的？
And so it's the same thing.
所以这是同样的事情。
You may recall that when you last heard of Little, back in kindergarten, she was just an average barn-door fowl, who had an acorn drop on her head, which she mistakenly understood to be the sky falling.
你可能还记得，当你最后一次听说利特尔的时候，还是在幼儿园，她只是一只普通的家禽，头上掉了一粒橡子，她误以为这是天塌下来的。
Her alarms excited her friends, Goosey Loosey, Turkey Lurkey, and Ducky Lucky.
她的闹钟让她的朋友 Goosey Loosey、Turkey Lurkey 和 Ducky Lucky 兴奋不已。
And they join her for a journey to the king, to tell him the important news.
他们和她一起去见国王，告诉他重要的消息。
On the way, they meet up with Sly Fox.
途中，他们遇到了狡猾的狐狸。
Little's pals eagerly accept his invitation for dinner, literally as it turns out.
事实证明，利特尔的朋友们热切地接受了他的晚餐邀请。
Fortunately for Little, hunger is not enough to distract her from her mission.
对利特尔来说幸运的是，饥饿并不足以分散她对使命的注意力。
And she tracks on.
她继续追踪。
When she meets the king, he tells her that the sky is not falling.
当她遇见国王时，国王告诉她天不会塌下来。
It's just an acorn.
这只是一个橡子。
So the enlightened Chicken Little returns to her coop.
于是，开明的小鸡回到了她的鸡舍。
And that's where the story ends.
故事到此结束。
What are we to take away from Little's experience?
我们可以从利特尔的经历中得到什么？
I'd like to think it's that Little is rewarded with life, precisely because she went off on this quixotic mission, totally in the grip of a wrong idea.
我想利特尔得到了生命的回报，正是因为她完全被一个错误的想法所束缚，开始了这个堂吉诃德式的任务。
The children's fable barely figures into the story.
儿童寓言几乎没有出现在故事中。
It's just one small episode in the life of Chicken Little, now known as La Pulcina Piccola.
这只是小鸡（现在被称为“La Pulcina Piccola”）生活中的一小段插曲。
After the acorn incident, she goes on to become an internationally renowned figure in almost every field imaginable, a diva of politics, academe, theater, art, daring-do.
橡子事件后，她几乎在所有可以想象的领域成为国际知名人物，政治、学术、戏剧、艺术、大胆的天后。
Like Venus, she arrives from some other world, transported on a scallop shell.
和维纳斯一样，她是乘坐扇贝壳从另一个世界来到这里的。
But the triumphs of her life began after a youthful love affair with a fighting cock ends bitterly.
但在她年轻时与斗鸡的爱情以痛苦结束之后，她人生的胜利开始了。
And she consoles herself, as we all do at some point in our lives, by plunging into Shakespeare.
正如我们在生活中的某个时刻所做的那样，她通过沉浸在莎士比亚的作品中来安慰自己。
She becomes an overnight sensation as an actress, celebrated all over the world for one role, Juliet, Cleopatra, Ophelia?
作为一名女演员，她一夜成名，因一个角色而闻名于世：朱丽叶、克利奥帕特拉、奥菲莉亚？
The company, then, performs an excerpt-- a recreation of her signature role, which was Richard III.
然后，公司表演了一段摘录——重现她的标志性角色，即理查三世。
Well, Sarah Bernhardt did Hamlet.
哈姆雷特是莎拉·伯恩哈特演的。
Well, there's a great tradition of women playing the men's roles in Shakespeare.
嗯，莎士比亚有一个由女性扮演男性角色的伟大传统。
But I think Richard III is one of the more rare roles to be played by a woman.
但我认为理查三世是由女性扮演的较为罕见的角色之一。
Well, that's how adventuresome an actress this chicken was.
嗯，这就是这只鸡的女演员的冒险精神。
I can assure you, there is nothing like watching a 4-inch tall finger puppet crying out, "a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse" in Italian.
我可以向你保证，没有什么比观看一个 4 英寸高的手指木偶用意大利语喊出“一匹马，一匹马，我的马的王国”更好的了。
Not to mention that puppet is a chicken, surrounded by a whole supporting cast of poultry and other avian supernumeraries.
更不用说木偶是一只鸡，周围是一整套家禽和其他鸟类的辅助演员。
Susan says that artistically, there's something special about chickens.
苏珊说，从艺术角度来说，鸡有一些特别之处。
They're a clean slate.
他们是一块干净的石板。
You can put anything on them.
你可以在上面放任何东西。
You can project anything onto them because it's not like they have, to me at least, a very strong personality.
你可以把任何东西投射到他们身上，因为至少对我来说，他们的个性并不很强。
Except for La Pulchina.
除了拉普尔奇纳。
In the opera, she moves into the field of archaeology, masters it, needless to say, and makes a great discovery, the last tomb of Gallapatra, but not before she sails the seven seas, is shipwrecked, gets rescued, but it's by pirates, and then she meets the pirate king.
在歌剧中，她进入了考古领域，不用说，她掌握了它，并做出了伟大的发现，加拉帕特拉最后的坟墓，但在她航行七大洋之前，遭遇海难，被海盗救起，然后她遇到了海盗王。
As soon as he meets her, he falls in love with her because of her sweet spirit-- because she comes in and she says, here you see a little chicken who, although I'm dripping wet, I'm proud and yellow.
他一见到她，就因为她甜美的精神而爱上了她——因为她进来时说，你看到一只小鸡，虽然我浑身湿透，但我很骄傲，皮肤很黄。
Let me repeat that lyric for you in a pure translation.
让我以纯翻译形式为您重复一遍这句歌词。
"Although I stand before you a chicken who is dripping wet, I am proud.
“虽然我站在你们面前是一只浑身湿透的小鸡，但我很自豪。
And I am yellow." OK, back to Susan.
而且我是黄色的。”好吧，回到苏珊。
And although I've loved and I have lost, I have learned to follow the call of adventure.
尽管我爱过也失去过，但我学会了跟随冒险的召唤。
So let's sail on.
那么，让我们继续航行吧。
Keep in mind that all of the action, like everything that occurs in every Susan Vitucci production, ever since the first one for her nephew, and continuing to this day, occurs among characters created by sticking a small, painted Styrofoam ball onto a larger painted Styrofoam ball, poking in two map tacks for eyes, gluing on a tiny felt beak, and then impaling the whole thing on top of one of those really old fashioned clothespins that a '40s cartoon figure would clamp to his nose around a chunk of Limburger cheese.
请记住，所有的动作，就像苏珊·维图奇 (Susan Vitucci) 的每一部作品中发生的一切一样，从她侄子的第一部作品开始，一直持续到今天，都是通过将一个小的彩绘聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料球粘在一个较大的彩绘泡沫塑料球上，用两个地图钉戳眼睛，粘上一个小毛毡喙，然后将整个东西刺穿在一个 40 年代卡通人物会用的真正老式的衣夹上来创建的角色。将一块林堡奶酪夹在鼻子上。
And I could go on.
我还可以继续。
Susan has written, or as she puts it, translated La Pulcina Piccola's diaries, which detail the other adventures that happen in between those in the opera.
苏珊（Susan）撰写，或者正如她所说，翻译了拉普尔西纳·皮科拉（La Pulcina Piccola）的日记，其中详细介绍了歌剧中的人们之间发生的其他冒险经历。
There are 60 pages so far, excerpts of which have appeared in Clotheslines, the official fan-club newsletter of the opera.
到目前为止，共有 60 页，其中的摘录已出现在该歌剧的官方歌迷俱乐部时事通讯《晾衣绳》上。
Love's Fowl has a strange effect on people.
爱情之鸟对人有一种奇怪的影响。
I didn't understand it until Susan loaned me a videotape of one performance.
直到苏珊借给我一盘表演的录像带时我才明白。
To be honest, I thought I would be annoyed at the intentional irony and hokiness of the puppets.
说实话，我以为我会对木偶的故意讽刺和矫揉造作感到恼火。
But there I was, with my three-year-old daughter, who loved the show, watching a plastic bird pantomime one of the simplest human moments, but also one of the most profound, the confession of a great love, in this case, with a Cock Robin.
但我和我三岁的女儿一起观看了一部塑料鸟哑剧，她很喜欢这个节目，这是人类最简单的时刻之一，也是最深刻的时刻之一，是对伟大爱情的表白，在这个例子中，是与知更鸟。
The song that she sings as she enters goes, "I am a chicken and ready for love.
她进来时唱的歌是这样的：“我是一只鸡，准备好迎接爱情。
My heart is as fragile as the egg from which I was born.
我的心就像诞生我的鸡蛋一样脆弱。
Treat me gently, and so will I treat you.
对我温柔，我也会对你温柔。
Together, from earthly love, we will reach for the divine." And then she sings, "I'm a chicken and I can't fly without love.
一起，从尘世的爱中，我们将达到神圣的境界。”然后她唱道：“我是一只鸡，没有爱我就无法飞翔。
My heart, it is strong as the egg from which I was born," and so forth.
我的心，就像诞生我的鸡蛋一样坚强”，等等。
And so it is only with Cock Robin that she flies.
因此，只有与知更鸟一起，她才能飞翔。
And after they have agreed to fly together and they are soaring in the air, Cock Robin is shot and killed, murdered by a jealous sparrow.
当他们同意一起飞翔并在空中翱翔时，知更鸟被一只嫉妒的麻雀射杀。
I couldn't believe it, but I was getting choked up, especially when Cock Robin appeared on the stage, his Styrofoam body spray painted black for the lament, his little magic-marker eyes drawn as X's.
我简直不敢相信，但我简直哽咽了，尤其是当公鸡罗宾出现在舞台上时，他的泡沫塑料身体喷成黑色以表达哀悼，他的小魔法标记眼睛被画成X的。
I gathered my daughter my arms and held on tight, as I was helplessly drawn into an expression of the grief and suffering of this little sad bird.
我抱起女儿的双臂，紧紧地抓着，无助地被这只悲伤的小鸟的悲伤和痛苦的表情所吸引。
In this era of slick special effects, there was something unexpectedly liberating in the marriage of this crude medium, painted Styrofoam balls bobbing up and down behind a cardboard box, and the high, melodramatic art of Italian opera.
在这个特效华丽的时代，这种粗糙的媒介——在纸板箱后面上下摆动的彩色聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料球——与意大利歌剧的高调戏剧艺术的结合，带来了意想不到的解放。
Picture it.
想象一下。
I want a subscription to that newsletter.
我想要订阅该新闻通讯。
Are you going to do this-- I mean, are you going to be working with Pulcina Piccola, you think, for the rest of your life?
你会这样做吗——我的意思是，你想，你会在余生中与 Pulcina Piccola 一起工作吗？
It's possible.
这是有可能的。
And I like working with her because I get to go into a world that's inhabited by a very sweet spirit, and play with the mechanics of the world.
我喜欢和她一起工作，因为我可以进入一个充满甜蜜精神的世界，并玩弄这个世界的机制。
And because it's very small-- I could never have afforded to produce this show with people.
而且因为它很小——我永远不可能负担得起与人一起制作这个节目。
But I could afford to do it with clothespins.
但我可以用衣夹来做这件事。
So I can do as big a production as I want with clothespins.
这样我就可以用衣夹制作尽可能大的作品。
I can have stuff fly in and out and come in from traps.
我可以让东西飞进飞出，也可以从陷阱里飞进来。
And I can have all kinds of fancy, flashy stuff that costs millions of dollars to do on Broadway.
我可以在百老汇拥有各种花哨、华而不实的东西，这些东西要花费数百万美元才能完成。
And it cost me $200 because I had to buy lots and lots and lots of Styrofoam and clothespins and stuff and all this, and a new table maybe, and I get to do whatever I want.
这花了我 200 美元，因为我必须买很多很多泡沫塑料、衣夹之类的东西等等，也许还需要一张新桌子，然后我就可以做任何我想做的事情。
That story from Jack Hitt.
杰克·希特的故事。
[SINGING IN ITALIAN]
[用意大利语唱歌]
Coming up, chicken supermodels and chickens who return with a message from the afterlife.
即将到来的是鸡超模和带着来世信息归来的鸡。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's show, during this period of greatest poultry consumption in our nation, the weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas, we bring you stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, fowl of all kind, real and imagined.
今天的节目，在我们国家家禽消费量最大的时期，即感恩节和圣诞节之间的几周内，我们为您带来鸡、火鸡、鸭子以及各种家禽的故事，无论是真实的还是想象的。
We arrived at Act three, of our program, Act Three, Trying to Respect the Chicken.
我们到了节目的第三幕，第三幕，尝试尊重鸡。
OK, sure, it's one thing to take a fictional character like Chicken Little and make her into a star.
好吧，当然，让像小鸡这样的虚构人物成为明星是一回事。
Try doing that with a real chicken.
尝试用一只真正的鸡来做这个。
Seriously, just try.
说真的，试试吧。
Well, these are photographs of chickens.
嗯，这些是鸡的照片。
The first one here is a silver-laced Wyandotte.
这里的第一个是银色怀恩多特。
It's a black-and-white bird, essentially, but the tail feathers have a lot of iridescent green coloring.
它本质上是一只黑白相间的鸟，但尾羽有很多虹彩绿色。
In a world where chickens get no respect, Tamara Staples treats him the way that humans treat those we revere most.
在一个鸡不受尊重的世界里，塔玛拉·斯台普斯对待鸡就像人类对待我们最尊敬的人一样。
She takes their portraits, lovingly.
她亲切地为他们拍摄肖像。
Her shots are like fashion photographs, beautifully lit, color backdrops.
她的照片就像时尚照片，光线优美，背景色彩丰富。
They're beautiful.
她们很漂亮。
See, that first one looked regal.
看，第一个看起来很富丽堂皇。
But now you've just turned to one where it almost looks like it's like a clown.
但现在你刚刚转向了一个看起来几乎像小丑的人。
It looks comic.
看起来很喜剧。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
It's a mottled Houdan, which I always called the Phyllis Diller chicken, which is--
这是一只斑驳的乌丹鸡，我一直把它称为菲利斯·迪勒鸡，它是——
Oh, my god, the chicken does look like Phyllis Diller.
哦，天哪，这只鸡看起来确实像菲利斯·迪勒。
It does.
确实如此。
It's the hat.
这是帽子。
It looks like-- it's got this huge, feathered hat sort of thing and a strange body shape and these--
它看起来像——它有一个巨大的、有羽毛的帽子之类的东西和奇怪的身体形状，还有这些——
In a way it's like Tamara Staples is running an odd little cross-species science experiment, one that asks this question, what happens when you try to treat a chicken the way we treat humans, even if it's just for the length of a photo shoot?
在某种程度上，这就像塔玛拉·斯台普斯正在进行一项奇怪的小型跨物种科学实验，实验提出了这样一个问题：当你尝试像对待人类一样对待一只鸡时，即使只是为了拍摄一张照片，会发生什么？
What happens, it turns out, is that you learn just where the thin line is that divides human beings from birds.
事实证明，你会了解到区分人类和鸟类的细线在哪里。
All right, maybe it's not such a thin line.
好吧，也许这不是一条细线。
But it's definitely a line.
但这绝对是一条线。
And like most city people, I had never thought about it, about where it lays, about what it might be, what it might consist of, until Tamara and I headed out to a farm.
和大多数城里人一样，我从来没有想过它，它在哪里，它可能是什么，它可能包含什么，直到塔玛拉和我前往一个农场。
Yeah, we got to get him.
是的，我们必须抓住他。
We don't want him to get dirty or anything, do we?
我们不想让他弄脏什么的，是吗？
Or does it matter?
或者这有关系吗？
She runs loose every day.
她每天都在逍遥法外。
Tamara Staples Can you find her?
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 你能找到她吗？
Yeah, we can pick her out.
是的，我们可以把她挑出来。
Tamara Staples We're going to have to get them to-- we're going to have to wrangle them, you know.
塔玛拉·斯台普斯：你知道，我们必须让他们——我们必须与他们争论。
We're at the Davidson's dairy farm, about an hour and a half Northwest of Chicago.
我们位于戴维森奶牛场，距芝加哥西北约一个半小时车程。
Family members present, Paul, who's helping Tamara choose a bird to photograph, his sister Laura, who's studying photography at a nearby university, their grandfather, George Cairns, a veteran breeder, their father, Dick, who seems the most skeptical of this whole project, but who patiently shows Tamara and her assistant, Dennis, the milking barn as a possible place to set up and shoot.
在场的家庭成员包括保罗，他正在帮助塔玛拉选择一只要拍摄的鸟，他的妹妹劳拉正在附近的一所大学学习摄影，他们的祖父乔治·凯恩斯是一位经验丰富的饲养员，他们的父亲迪克似乎对整个项目最持怀疑态度，但他耐心地向塔玛拉和她的助手丹尼斯展示了挤奶棚作为一个可能的设置和拍摄地点。
What kind of an area are you looking for?
您正在寻找什么样的区域？
Maybe-- it needs-- it could be a little wider, don't you think?
也许——它需要——它可以更宽一点，你不觉得吗？
If it could be from here to there and from that pole to that pole.
如果可以从这里到那里，从那一极到那极就好了。
Well, we are setting-- maybe this is a good time to pull out the portfolio.
好吧，我们正在设置——也许现在是退出投资组合的好时机。
OK.
好的。
Tamara Staples You want to grab it?
Tamara Staples 你想抓住它吗？
I'm actually-- It's a study of the birds.
我实际上——这是一项对鸟类的研究。
But it's an isolated study so people aren't necessarily associating it with the farm and something to eat.
但这是一项孤立的研究，因此人们不一定将其与农场和吃的东西联系起来。
Tamara takes us outside the barn, so dust won't get on her photos, and shows them her shots, name dropping the names of some big chicken people, people whose birds she's photographed, including Bob Wulff, editor of The Poultry Press.
塔玛拉把我们带到谷仓外面，这样灰尘就不会沾到她的照片上，并向他们展示了她的照片，并列出了一些养鸡大户的名字，这些人都是她拍摄过的鸟类，其中包括《家禽出版社》的编辑鲍勃·武尔夫 (Bob Wulff)。
Dick notices that a bird in one photo has crooked toes.
迪克注意到一张照片中的一只鸟的脚趾是弯曲的。
Well, probably on a hard surface.
嗯，可能是在坚硬的表面上。
And they turn.
他们转身。
[LAUGHS] There's nothing wrong with the pictures.
[笑]这些照片没有任何问题。
If there's anything to find fault with, it's the birds.
如果说有什么可挑剔的话，那就是鸟儿了。
They aren't posing the way they should, some of them.
他们中的一些人没有按照应有的方式摆出姿势。
Fact is, while city people usually go nuts when they see Tamara's pictures, a lot of chicken breeders don't like them.
事实上，虽然城里人看到塔玛拉的照片时通常会发疯，但很多养鸡人却不喜欢它们。
And to understand why, to fully comprehend this little culture clash here in America, we have to leave the barnyard for a minute and flashback to something that happened back at Tamara's apartment in the city.
为了理解为什么，为了充分理解美国这里的这种小小的文化冲突，我们必须离开谷仓一分钟，回想一下塔玛拉在城里的公寓里发生的事情。
Tamara showed me this old red book from the turn of the century, this book with the seal of the American Poultry Association in gold on the front, and then right there, in gold letters--
塔玛拉给我看了一本世纪之交的红色旧书，这本书的正面印有美国家禽协会的金色印章，然后就在那里，用金色的字母——
Standard of perfection.
完美的标准。
The standard of perfection is really the Bible of poultry standards, what birds are--
完美的标准确实是家禽标准的圣经，什么是鸟类——
Tamara flipped past the engravings and illustrations of chickens of all types and breeds.
塔玛拉翻阅了各种类型和品种的鸡的雕刻和插图。
These were show chickens, standing the way that chickens stand in competitions.
这些都是表演鸡，就像鸡在比赛中的表现一样。
Then Tamara pulled out one of her own photos to compare, to show me how her poses do not meet the standard in the book.
然后塔玛拉拿出一张她自己的照片来对比，让我看看她的姿势怎么不符合书上的标准。
The tail needs to be higher.
尾巴需要更高。
Her feet are not erect, standing.
她的脚没有直立，站立着。
Chest isn't out.
胸没出来。
Head, it needs to be up more.
头，还需要再涨一点。
And it shows-- you can see the shape of the chicken much better in the standard-of-perfection pose.
它表明——在标准的完美姿势中，你可以更好地看到鸡的形状。
See, to me, what's so interesting, though, is that the standard of perfection doesn't include a personality.
但对我来说，有趣的是，完美的标准并不包括个性。
Right.
正确的。
Because it's not about personality.
因为这与个性无关。
It's about breeding.
这是关于繁殖的。
And so that is that a pose that the owners would want to own a photo of?
那么这就是业主想要拍张照片的姿势吗？
They're very particular about this.
他们对此非常讲究。
They want to see their bird in the standard-of-perfection pose, definitely, because that's what they've been taught, from 4-H, when they were kids, to do.
他们肯定希望看到他们的鸟儿摆出标准的完美姿势，因为这就是他们小时候从 4-H 开始就被教导要做的事情。
That's for them.
那是给他们的。
For herself, for her city customers, she chooses the others.
为了她自己，为了她的城市顾客，她选择了其他人。
OK, back to the barnyard.
好吧，回到谷仓。
[CHICKEN CLUCKING] Tamara and the Davidsons decide to set up the photo session in a room that's usually used to store feed for the cows.
[鸡叫声] 塔玛拉和戴维森夫妇决定在一个通常用来储存奶牛饲料的房间里拍摄照片。
It takes about 45 minutes to set this up.
设置此过程大约需要 45 分钟。
That 45 minutes includes dismantling and moving a wall of hay that is probably 10 feet high and 15 long.
这 45 分钟包括拆除和移动一堵可能高 10 英尺、长 15 英尺的干草墙。
This takes five people.
这需要五个人。
Then in comes the power and the fancy lights and the cloth backdrop that gets hung from a steel pole.
然后是电源、精美的灯光和悬挂在钢杆上的布背景。
The backdrop is ironed first with an iron and ironing board, brought from the city just for that purpose.
首先用专门从城里带来的熨斗和熨衣板熨烫背景。
Yeah, 11 and 1/2-- your test is going to be at 11 and 1/2, 11, and 8 and 1/2.
是的，11 又 1/2——你的测试将是 11 又 1/2、11 和 8 又 1/2。
I'm going to shoot your film at 11.
我将在11点拍摄你的电影。
It was cold, well below freezing, so cold that the Polaroid film that Tamara uses for lighting tests would not fully develop.
天气很冷，远低于冰点，冷到塔玛拉用于照明测试的宝丽莱胶片无法完全显影。
Are you ready for the bird?
你准备好迎接那只鸟了吗？
Ira Glass We're close.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我们很接近了。
I just want to commune with the bird.
我只是想和鸟儿交流。
We just want to make you pretty.
我们只是想让你变得漂亮。
Look how sweet, aren't you?
你看，多么甜蜜，不是吗？
You know what?
你知道吗？
I'm going to photograph you.
我要给你拍照。
My name is Tamara.
我叫塔玛拉。
I'll be your photographer for today.
今天我来当你的摄影师。
Our first bird is a white Cornish, a show bird who belongs to George.
我们的第一只鸟是一只白色康沃尔鸟，一只属于乔治的表演鸟。
The show bird is used to being picked up and handled.
表演鸟习惯于被抱起和处理。
Part of preparing chickens for shows involves handling them a lot so they'll be calm with the judges.
准备鸡参加表演的一部分包括经常与它们接触，这样它们就能在评委面前保持冷静。
If you could just nudge his head up a little bit, he's perfect.
如果你能把他的头稍微抬起一点，他就完美了。
He's got his chest out.
他已经挺胸了。
OK, now he's got his face in-- OK, yeah, you know what we want.
好吧，现在他的脸出现了——好吧，是的，你知道我们想要什么。
Yeah, you're great, Georgie.
是的，你很棒，乔吉。
He's got a feather on his back, here.
他背上有一根羽毛，在这里。
Tamara has the Cornish stand up on a stack of little red antique books, kind of unsteady.
塔玛拉让康沃尔人站在一堆红色小古董书上，有点不稳定。
Things go well for a while.
事情进展顺利一段时间。
She gets a half dozen good shots of the bird, expressive shots, more personality than standard of perfection, George tells me.
乔治告诉我，她拍了六张关于这只鸟的好照片，富有表现力的照片，更多的是个性而不是完美的标准。
The bird's chest isn't high enough.
鸟的胸部不够高。
Its body is not turned correctly to the camera.
它的身体没有正确转向相机。
And then the bird stops cooperating.
然后鸟儿就停止合作了。
He gets tired.
他累了。
Paul has a suggestion.
保罗有一个建议。
Bring in a pullet.
引入一只小母鸡。
Tamara Staples You know what?
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 你知道吗？
You know that works.
你知道那是有效的。
Maybe you should explain what that is.
也许你应该解释一下那是什么。
What does that mean, to bring in a pullet?
带小母鸡进来是什么意思？
It takes, maybe, a female to perk them up.
也许需要一位女性才能让它们振作起来。
[LAUGHS] Ira Glass Laura grabs a hen and waves at it the flaccid cock.
[笑]艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 劳拉 (Laura) 抓起一只母鸡，向它挥舞着无力的公鸡。
The cock does not rise.
公鸡不升起。
Laura, it probably would have been better to get the one from the other pen, that he's not used to.
劳拉，最好从另一只围栏里拿一个，因为他不习惯。
Fresh blood.
新鲜血液。
Paul Davidson That looks nice.
保罗·戴维森 看起来不错。
For real, the rooster will show off more for a hen that it doesn't know?
真的，公鸡会向母鸡炫耀更多它不知道的东西吗？
Yes.
是的。
If you put a new hen in with him or him in with a group of new hens, he will really show off.
如果你把一只新母鸡和他放在一起，或者让他和一群新母鸡放在一起，他真的会很炫耀。
They try this and that, nothing with much success.
他们尝试了这个、那个，但都没有取得多大成功。
Finally, with one shot left, Paul suggests putting a hen into the picture with the rooster.
最后，在还剩最后一个镜头时，保罗建议将一只母鸡和公鸡一起放入画面中。
Now get the girl to-- she looks like her feet are so far apart, she's really struggling to stand.
现在让那个女孩——她看起来双脚分开很远，站起来真的很困难。
They're wide apart.
他们差距很大。
Tamara Staples That's all right.
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 没关系。
That's all right.
没关系。
Oh.
哦。
Oh, did you see that?
哦，你看到了吗？
All right-- Ira Glass Why?
好吧——艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 为什么？
What did she just do?
她刚才做了什么？
Describe.
描述。
She looked up at him very sweetly, like that, but with her head cocked.
她就那样甜蜜地抬头看着他，只是歪着头。
The male bird was posing.
雄鸟正在摆姿势。
And she was posing also, but had a personality of just being the sweet, doting mother--
而且她也摆姿势，但性格却是个可爱的、溺爱的母亲——
But not standard of perfection.
但不是完美的标准。
So we're done with this background and--
我们已经完成了这个背景并且——
Not standard of perfection.
不是完美的标准。
Even these perfectly-bred Cornishes could not achieve standard of perfection today.
即使是这些完美培育的康沃尔犬今天也无法达到完美的标准。
And even in this goofy, unbirdlike situation, an hour of watching them makes clear just how hard it is to ever get birds to hit the standard, which is to say, not only do we completely dominate every aspect of the lives of chickens, their birth, their feed, their eggs, their slaughter, not only have we bred them to human specifications to meet human needs, but we have created a standard of what it means to be a chicken that most chickens can never meet.
即使在这种愚蠢的、非鸟类的情况下，一小时的观察也清楚地表明让鸟类达到标准是多么困难，也就是说，我们不仅完全主宰了鸡生活的各个方面，它们的出生、它们的饲料、它们的鸡蛋、它们的屠宰，我们不仅按照人类的规格饲养它们以满足人类的需求，而且我们还创造了一个大多数鸡永远无法达到的标准。
That's what the standard means.
这就是标准的意义。
We judge them as chickens.
我们将他们视为鸡。
And we find them lacking.
我们发现他们缺乏。
If they had the brains to understand this, they would be right to feel indignant.
如果他们有脑子明白这一点，他们感到愤慨也是有道理的。
But of course, this is a city person's perspective.
但当然，这是一个城市人的视角。
And that means that it is completely wrongheaded from the point of view of anybody who actually raises birds.
这意味着从任何真正养鸟的人的角度来看，这是完全错误的。
Standing in the cold feed room, I had a long, long talk with George about this.
站在冰冷的饲养室里，我和乔治就这件事进行了很长很长的交谈。
George is 80 years old.
乔治已经80岁了。
He's been raising birds since the-- I guess the Calvin Coolidge administration.
我猜自从卡尔文·柯立芝政府执政以来，他就一直在养鸟。
And he says the whole fun of raising birds is raising them to the standard.
他说饲养鸟类的全部乐趣在于将它们提高到标准。
Well, for instance, if your birds lack bone, OK, you go out and buy a bird as near to like them as you can with better bone.
举例来说，如果你的鸟儿缺乏骨头，好吧，你就出去买一只尽可能喜欢它们、骨头更好的鸟儿。
But when you mate them together, you might get long-legged birds or too short or-- you don't get what you want just by mating.
但是当你把它们交配在一起时，你可能会得到长腿的鸟，或者太短的鸟，或者——仅仅通过交配你不会得到你想要的东西。
It takes four or five years to gradually get it up.
需要四五年的时间才能逐渐起来。
And by that, they're inbred and you need new ones.
因此，它们是近亲繁殖的，你需要新的。
George tells me that when he's breeding a new batch of birds, he'll hatch 65 of them.
乔治告诉我，当他培育一批新的鸟时，他将孵化出 65 只。
And only one or two will be anywhere near the standard of perfection.
只有一两个人能够接近完美的标准。
That's how hard it is.
就是这么难。
Do you get frustrated with the standard of perfection sometimes?
有时您是否会对完美的标准感到沮丧？
No, we get frustrated with the judges, because every judge has his own idea of what the standard should be.
不，我们对法官感到沮丧，因为每个法官对于标准应该是什么都有自己的想法。
I thought that's the whole point of a standard, is that the judge--
我认为这就是标准的全部要点，那就是法官——
That is.
也就是说。
But one judge will want it this way and another, another.
但一位法官会希望这样，另一位法官会希望这样。
Today, if you've bred your birds to the standard perfection, weight and everything, and took them to the show, you probably wouldn't get anywhere.
今天，如果你把你的鸽子培育到标准的完美、体重和一切，并把它们带到比赛中，你可能不会有任何进展。
You got to breed to the fads.
你必须迎合时尚。
That's right, the fads, like Cornish's these days are supposed to have shorter legs than the real standard of perfection.
没错，像现在的康沃尔这样的时尚，人们认为腿比真正的完美标准要短。
Vertical tail feathers are out on all sorts of breeds that really should have them.
所有真正应该拥有垂直尾羽的品种都没有。
In the country, among the chicken breeders, they think about a lot of things we never get to in the city.
在乡村，养鸡人会思考很多我们在城市里从未想到的事情。
And when you're raising these birds, with any of these birds, do you have a close relationship with the bird the way some people would have with a pet?
当你饲养这些鸟时，与这些鸟中的任何一只一起饲养时，你与鸟的关系是否像某些人与宠物的关系一样密切？
I don't have time.
我没有时间。
Yeah, I got too many things to do.
是啊，我还有太多事情要做。
See, three years ago, I almost died of cancer.
看，三年前，我差点死于癌症。
And the good Lord told me how to cure myself.
仁慈的主告诉我如何治愈自己。
And so I've been working with that a lot, the last three years.
所以过去三年我一直在做很多工作。
I've been helping people, and put it in papers now.
我一直在帮助人们，现在把它写在报纸上。
It's getting all over the United States.
它正在传遍美国。
You used the root of a dandelion, simple as can be.
你用了蒲公英的根，就这么简单。
But something in that that builds up your blood and your immune system.
但其中的某些东西可以增强你的血液和免疫系统。
Wait a second.
等一下。
You're saying that you were diagnosed with cancer, and this is the only treatment you had, and it cured you?
你是说你被诊断出患有癌症，这是你接受的唯一治疗，并且它治愈了你？
Yeah.
是的。
And I've given it to other people when the medical world has told them that there's nothing more they can do.
当医学界告诉其他人他们无能为力时，我就把它给了其他人。
And they've got well too, but not all of them.
他们也康复了，但不是全部。
If they're too far gone, it won't help them.
如果他们走得太远，那对他们没有帮助。
And you make it into tea or something like that?
你把它做成茶或类似的东西吗？
Well, we just put it in little water or a little milk, Kool-Aid.
好吧，我们只需将它放入少量水或少量牛奶（Kool-Aid）中即可。
You can put it on a sandwich, anything that isn't hot.
你可以把它放在三明治上，任何不热的东西上。
George gives me a pamphlet that he's written up.
乔治给了我一本他写的小册子。
No doctor has actually checked him out to prove the cancer is gone from his body.
没有医生真正对他进行过检查以证明癌症已从他体内消失。
He's actually got no hard, scientific proof that this really works.
他实际上没有确凿的科学证据证明这确实有效。
But he says God told him that this is the way he should be spending his time.
但他说上帝告诉他这就是他应该度过时间的方式。
And it has cut into his bird breeding a bit.
这也对他的鸟类繁殖造成了一些影响。
George leaves, off on other business.
乔治离开去干别的事了。
Tamara's finished hanging and lighting the next backdrop.
塔玛拉完成了下一个背景的悬挂和照明。
And the rest of us begin with the second bird, a bird called a Brahma, with elaborately patterned brown-and-white feathers.
我们其他人从第二只鸟开始，一种叫做梵天的鸟，有着精心设计的棕白色羽毛。
This is a chicken like the size of a dog.
这是一只像狗一样大小的鸡。
[LAUGHTER] Our second bird demonstrates the great distance between bird instinct and intelligence and the demands of modern fashion photography, which is to say of civilization.
[笑声]我们的第二只鸟展示了鸟类本能和智慧与现代时尚摄影（即文明）的要求之间的巨大距离。
Called upon to do human tasks, even rather passive ones, a bird remains a bird.
鸟儿被要求去做人类的任务，即使是相当被动的任务，但它仍然是鸟。
Paul carries the huge hen onto the fragile little set Tamara's built.
保罗把这只巨大的母鸡带到了塔玛拉建造的脆弱的小布景上。
He's a beauty.
他是个美人。
What are you eating there, buddy?
伙计，你在那里吃什么？
Ooh, it slapped me.
哎呀，它打了我一巴掌。
Ira Glass I'm scared of this one, she says quietly, as she adjusts her camera.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：“我害怕这个，”她一边调整相机，一边轻声说道。
The chicken is so big, nine pounds, the size of a small consumer turkey, that she has to pull the camera back.
这只鸡太大了，有九磅重，相当于一只小火鸡的大小，她不得不把相机拉回来。
The Davidsons are looking at her skeptically.
戴维森一家怀疑地看着她。
Paul asks pointedly if she's ever shot a bird this big?
保罗尖锐地问她是否射杀过这么大的鸟？
Hello, bird.
你好，小鸟。
Are you going to slap me in the face again?
你又要打我脸吗？
I hope not.
我希望不会。
These hens will jump right in your face.
这些母鸡会跳到你脸上。
You know why you're here?
你知道你为什么在这里吗？
Let's talk.
我们来谈谈吧。
We need you to be beautiful.
我们需要你变得美丽。
Here's your moment.
这是你的时刻。
OK?
好的？
There are more where you came from, buddy.
还有更多你来自的地方，伙计。
You better act up, here.
你最好行动起来，在这里。
This combination of coddling and threats might motivate an aspiring supermodel or an eager puppy.
这种溺爱和威胁的结合可能会激发一个有抱负的超级名模或一只渴望的小狗。
But this, after all, is a chicken.
但这毕竟是一只鸡。
Laura tries to lure it up with a handful of corn.
劳拉试图用一把玉米引诱它。
Is she standing?
她站着吗？
Paul Davidson She can get corn-- or she's trying to get it.
保罗·戴维森：她可以得到玉米——或者她正在努力得到它。
But she has to stand up high for it.
但她必须挺身而出。
Somewhere during this ordeal, a funny thing happens.
在这场磨难中的某个地方，发生了一件有趣的事情。
All the Davidsons, who all started off skeptical, they are completely engaged.
所有戴维森一家一开始都持怀疑态度，但现在他们完全投入了。
Dick suggests a pose that is pure art concept, a pose that could not be further from standard of perfection.
迪克提出的姿势是纯粹的艺术概念，距离完美标准再远不过了。
Laura lures the bird with corn.
劳拉用玉米引诱小鸟。
Paul smooths feathers.
保罗抚平羽毛。
And when the bird quivers or moves a wing, three people jump in to fix it back up.
当鸟儿颤抖或移动翅膀时，三个人就会跳进去将其修复。
There's some feathers on the breast a little bit fluffy.
胸部有一些羽毛，有点蓬松。
It's like she's not real clean down there.
好像她下面不太干净。
OK.
好的。
She's a little farther.
她有点远。
You guys are a great team.
你们是一支很棒的团队。
I'm going to hire you to come with me.
我要雇你跟我一起去。
[SHUTTER CLICKS] Oops.
[快门声] 哎呀。
I got a hand in there.
我把手伸进去了。
That's my-- move the hand.
那是我的——把手挪开。
Move the hand.
移动一下手。
Move the hand.
移动一下手。
OK, great.
好的，太好了。
It wasn't until this point that I realized that I came into this expecting the bird to be more-- well, more human, partly I think because I never really thought about this one way or the other but partly because Tamara's photos make chickens seem so-- [INHALES, EXHALES] so thoughtful.
直到此时，我才意识到，我开始期待这只鸟更加——嗯，更加人性化，部分原因是我从未真正考虑过这一点或另一方，部分原因是塔玛拉的照片让鸡看起来如此——[吸气，呼气]如此体贴。
[INAUDIBLE] Paul Davidson Over here.
[听不清] 保罗戴维森在这里。
Look at the cameras.
看看相机。
Look at the camera.
看看相机。
Those photos are a lie.
这些照片是谎言。
Tamara Staples Hello.
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 你好。
I think you're going to have a one-shot opportunity here.
我想你在这里会有一次机会。
It's going to be when I let go.
当我放手的时候就会这样。
Jeez, I didn't even let go.
哎呀，我什至没有放开。
I just started to let up.
我刚刚开始放松。
And he yanked it right out of my hand.
然后他就把它从我手里夺走了。
Fact is, you can try to give chickens respect.
事实上，你可以尝试尊重鸡。
You can try to treat them with dignity, and photograph them the way you'd photograph anything or anyone that's serious.
你可以尝试有尊严地对待他们，并以拍摄严肃的任何事物或任何人的方式拍摄他们。
But the chickens will not care.
但鸡们不会在意。
You can make them look dignified.
你可以让他们看起来有尊严。
But it is a brainless, bird-like dignity.
但那是一种无脑的、鸟儿般的尊严。
And it is ephemeral.
而且它是短暂的。
Do you feel like your relationship with chicken has changed because of this?
你是否觉得你和鸡的关系因此而改变了呢？
No. Not at all.
不，一点也不。
Ira Glass How could that not be so?
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 怎么可能不是这样呢？
[LAUGHTER] Tamara Staples Gosh.
[笑声] 塔玛拉·斯台普斯 天哪。
I order the chicken when I'm at the show.
我在演出时点了鸡肉。
I eat it right in front of the chickens.
我就在鸡面前吃它。
You eat chicken while you're standing there with a chicken?
当你和鸡站在一起时你吃鸡吗？
Yes.
是的。
[LAUGHS] Is it wrong?
[笑]有错吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I'm hungry.
我饿了。
We pack up our gear and move the massive wall of hay back into place.
我们收拾好装备，把巨大的干草墙移回原位。
As we do this, chickens hop by, Brahmas, Americanos, mixed breeds.
当我们这样做的时候，鸡们跳过去，有梵天鸡、美洲鸡、混种鸡。
They seem utterly uninterested in us.
他们似乎对我们完全不感兴趣。
The cluck at each other.
互相咯咯地笑。
There's feed to eat, hay to nestle in.
有饲料可吃，有干草可窝。
They have better things to do with their time.
他们有更有意义的事情要做。
And there's nothing that makes you realize just how inhuman chickens are then spending a day trying to make them seem human.
没有什么能让你意识到鸡是多么不人道，然后花一天的时间试图让它们看起来像人类。
Act 4, Winged Migration.
第四幕，有翼迁徙。
Kathie Russo So it was Saturday, January 10, 2004.
凯西·罗素 那是 2004 年 1 月 10 日星期六。
And Spalding was in our apartment, in New York, with our daughter, Marissa, who was 16 at the time, and Theo, who was six.
斯伯丁和我们当时 16 岁的女儿玛丽莎以及六岁的西奥一起住在我们位于纽约的公寓里。
This is Kathie Russo.
这是凯西·罗素。
Her husband was Spalding Gray, who is best known for delivering monologues on stage, like Monster in a Box and Swimming to Cambodia.
她的丈夫是斯伯丁·格雷（Spalding Gray），他以在舞台上发表独白而闻名，例如《盒子里的怪物》和《游到柬埔寨》。
Both those monologues were also filmed as movies.
这两段独白也被拍成电影。
Spalding Gray went missing on January 10, 2004.
斯伯丁·格雷于 2004 年 1 月 10 日失踪。
Witnesses say they saw him on the Staten Island Ferry that night.
目击者称，那天晚上他们在史泰登岛渡轮上看到了他。
His body was finally found, pulled out of the East River two months later.
两个月后，他的尸体终于被发现，并被从东河中打捞出来。
Our program today is about birds and the hold they have on us.
我们今天的节目是关于鸟类以及它们对我们的影响。
And Kathie Russo tells the story about Spalding's last night and the days immediately after that.
凯西·罗素讲述了斯伯丁昨晚以及之后几天的故事。
Like she just said, her husband was with two of their kids that night.
正如她刚才所说，那天晚上她的丈夫和他们的两个孩子在一起。
She was out.
她出去了。
They have a third child, Forrest, who was 11 at the time.
他们有第三个孩子，福雷斯特，当时 11 岁。
He was in Sag Harbor, Long Island, with friends and a babysitter.
他当时和朋友以及保姆一起在长岛萨格港。
They had a house out there too.
他们在那里也有一所房子。
Spalding had had dinner with the kids.
斯伯丁和孩子们共进晚餐。
And then it got to be about 7:00 PM.
然后时间就到了晚上 7:00 左右。
He said he was going to meet an old friend.
他说他要去见一位老朋友。
And Marissa goes, oh, that's fine.
玛丽莎说，哦，没关系。
I'm here.
我在这儿。
I can watch Theo.
我可以看西奥。
And he went out.
然后他就出去了。
And about an hour and a half after that, he called to check in on the kids.
大约一个半小时后，他打电话来查看孩子们的情况。
Theo answered.
西奥回答道。
And he said, how's everything going?
他说，一切都好吗？
He goes, good.
他走了，很好。
He goes, well, I love you very much and I'll be home soon.
他说，好吧，我非常爱你，我很快就会回家。
And we never saw Spalding again.
我们再也没有见过斯伯丁。
The next series of events still seem like a blur to me, even five years later.
即使五年后，接下来发生的一系列事件对我来说仍然很模糊。
But the first thing I had to do was go report Spalding missing.
但我要做的第一件事就是去报告斯伯丁失踪。
I did that.
我就是这么做的。
And then I decided to send the kids home, back to Sag Harbor, to join their brother.
然后我决定送孩子们回家，回到萨格港，与他们的兄弟团聚。
So I stayed for two days, did whatever I could, which was pretty much nothing.
所以我呆了两天，尽我所能，但几乎什么也没做。
And after two days, I just decided, I'm going back to Sag Harbor to join all the kids.
两天后，我决定，我要回到萨格港与所有孩子们一起。
So I'm driving on the Long Island Expressway, back to Sag Harbor.
我正在长岛高速公路上行驶，返回萨格港。
And I get a phone call on my cell phone.
我的手机接到一个电话。
And it was Theo.
是西奥。
And he was all excited.
他很兴奋。
And he said, Mom, Mom, we came home today from school, and there was a bird, a little bird, flying around the island in the kitchen.
他说，妈妈，妈妈，今天我们放学回家，看到一只鸟，一只小鸟，在厨房里的岛上飞来飞去。
I said, and then what did you do next?
我说那你接下来怎么办？
And he said, well, we followed the bird.
他说，好吧，我们跟着那只鸟。
And Marissa followed him into the bathroom.
玛丽莎跟着他走进了浴室。
And she tried to calm the bird.
她试图安抚这只鸟。
And she took a hat and cupped it over the bird and captured the bird and went outside and let him out free.
她拿起一顶帽子，把它罩在鸟身上，抓住了鸟，然后走到外面，把它放了出来。
And I was just so dumbfounded and awestruck.
我感到非常震惊和敬畏。
The first image that came to my head, when he said that there was something-- a bird, in particular, circling over this island-- was I thought of Spalding and how for the last two years, he had obsessively circled around that island, talking to himself, just circling and in total anguish.
当他说有什么东西——特别是一只鸟，在这个岛上盘旋时，我脑海中浮现的第一个画面是我想到了斯伯丁，以及在过去的两年里，他如何痴迷地绕着那个岛盘旋，自言自语，只是盘旋着，非常痛苦。
You see, two years before that, we had been in Ireland, celebrating his 60th birthday.
你看，两年前，我们在爱尔兰庆祝他的 60 岁生日。
And the second day there, Spalding and I were in a horrible car accident.
在那里的第二天，斯伯丁和我遭遇了一场可怕的车祸。
Spalding suffered enormous head trauma.
斯伯丁头部遭受了巨大的创伤。
He was never the same.
他从来都不是一样的。
They actually had to put titanium plate in his head.
他们实际上不得不在他的头上植入钛板。
He was in and out of hospitals for two years after the accident.
事故发生后两年，他一直进出医院。
Doctors prescribed various cocktails of pills for him.
医生给他开了各种鸡尾酒药。
Nothing worked, not even the 20 electric-shock treatments that he had.
没有任何效果，甚至他接受的 20 次电击治疗也没有效果。
And the second thought I had, when I heard about the bird was, was this a message from Spalding?
当我听说这只鸟时，我的第二个想法是，这是来自斯伯丁的消息吗？
Was he trying to tell us something?
他是想告诉我们什么吗？
We've never had a bird in our house before.
我们家以前从来没有养过鸟。
And I remember the Irish have this saying that if you find a bird in your house after someone dies, and it's alive, the person's soul is free.
我记得爱尔兰人有这样一句话，如果有人死后你在家里发现一只鸟，而且它还活着，那么这个人的灵魂是自由的。
And if you find a dead bird, the person's soul is restless.
而如果发现一只死鸟，这个人的灵魂就会焦躁不安。
And I remember Spalding-- I'll never forget the story-- after his mother killed herself 35 years before, his father woke up the very next day, and next to his bed, where his slippers were on the floor, was a dead bird.
我记得斯伯丁——我永远不会忘记这个故事——35年前，他的母亲自杀后，他的父亲第二天醒来，在他的床边，他的拖鞋放在地板上，有一只死鸟。
And that story just stayed with me.
这个故事一直萦绕在我心头。
So that night, after the kids went to bed, I went around the house, and I was making sure that another bird could not get into this house because I wasn't going to take the chance of another bird coming into the house and dying.
所以那天晚上，孩子们上床睡觉后，我在房子周围转了一圈，确保另一只鸟不能进入这所房子，因为我不想冒另一只鸟进入房子并死去的机会。
So I checked all the windows and I closed all the fireplaces to make sure, to guarantee, that there was no way a bird could come into our house.
所以我检查了所有的窗户，关闭了所有的壁炉，以确保鸟儿不可能进入我们的房子。
And the next day, I was at the dining-room table, reading the paper.
第二天，我坐在餐桌旁看报纸。
And I looked up.
我抬起头来。
And there was a bird across the table, peering at me.
桌子对面有一只鸟，正在凝视着我。
And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
我简直不敢相信我所看到的。
So I yell out to the kids, who were in the other room.
所以我对另一个房间里的孩子们大喊。
And they run in, and the bird takes off and flies up the stairs.
他们跑了进去，鸟儿起飞并飞上了楼梯。
And we all follow it.
我们都遵循它。
And it goes into what's our office.
它进入了我们的办公室。
And it's perched on top of this window.
它位于该窗口的顶部。
And I shut the door behind me.
我关上了身后的门。
And for some reason, I held up my hands, thinking the bird might magically come to my hands.
出于某种原因，我举起双手，想着那只鸟可能会神奇地来到我的手中。
And I go, Spalding, it's OK.
我走了，斯伯丁，没关系。
You're safe now.
你现在安全了。
It's OK.
没关系。
Come to me.
到我这里来。
And Forrest and Theo are on the other side of the door going, Mom, why are you calling the bird after Dad?
福雷斯特和西奥在门的另一边问，妈妈，你为什么用爸爸的名字来称呼这只鸟？
And the bird just sat there, staring at me.
那只鸟就坐在那里，盯着我。
And then it took off.
然后它起飞了。
And it flew over my hands.
它从我的手上飞过。
And in between the space in between the door and the floor, it scooted out, went past the boys, flew down the stairs-- and we had already opened up the kitchen doors-- and it flew out the kitchen doors.
在门和地板之间的空间里，它溜了出去，经过男孩们，飞下楼梯——我们已经打开了厨房门——它从厨房门飞了出去。
And it was safe.
而且很安全。
And it was gone.
然后它就消失了。
The next day, I'm in the kitchen.
第二天，我在厨房。
And Forrest calls out from the TV room-- he was watching cartoons.
福雷斯特从电视室里喊道——他正在看动画片。
He goes, Mom, the bird's back.
他走了，妈妈，鸟儿回来了。
It's at the end of the couch.
它在沙发的尽头。
So before I even go into the room, I open up the kitchen doors just to make sure we have an exit for the bird.
因此，在我进入房间之前，我会打开厨房门，以确保鸟有一个出口。
And I run into the family room.
我跑进了家庭活动室。
And sure enough, there's the bird.
果然，那只鸟就在那里。
And it's become a drill now.
现在它已经成为一种演习。
This is the third day, consecutive day, with the bird in our house.
这是这只鸟连续第三天出现在我们家。
And we follow the bird around.
我们跟着那只鸟到处走。
And this time, it goes through the living room.
这一次，它穿过客厅。
And then it comes back into the kitchen.
然后它又回到厨房。
And I actually got the camera out.
我真的把相机拿出来了。
And I took a picture of it.
我拍了一张照片。
And the bird flew out.
然后那只鸟飞了出去。
Just like that, it was gone.
就这样，它就消失了。
And two months later, they found Spalding's body in the East River.
两个月后，他们在东河发现了斯伯丁的尸体。
I think with suicide in particular, it's a really hard death to digest.
我认为尤其是自杀，这是一种很难消化的死亡。
There's a lot of guilt.
有很多罪恶感。
You go back and back, and you get into that mode of, I should have done this, I could have done that.
你来来回回，然后你就进入了这样的模式：我应该这样做，我本来可以那样做。
It's a seesaw of guilt and forgiveness.
这是内疚和宽恕的跷跷板。
So last year was my 47th birthday.
去年是我 47 岁生日。
And I was feeling blue.
我感觉很沮丧。
And I was really missing Spalding.
我真的很想念斯伯丁。
And I went on this bike route that the two of us used to take together.
我沿着我们两个曾经一起走过的自行车路线骑行。
And it ends up by the water.
最后它就在水边。
And just before I got to the water, I saw this little brownish-gray bird sitting on the side of the road, just like the one that we had in our house.
就在我到达水边之前，我看到这只棕灰色的小鸟坐在路边，就像我们家里的鸟一样。
And I passed by it on my bike.
我骑着自行车经过它。
I ride pretty fast.
我骑得很快。
But something told me, go back.
但有件事告诉我，回去吧。
And I did.
我做到了。
And the bird was just sitting there.
那只鸟就坐在那里。
And I'd get up close to it, and didn't fly away.
我会靠近它，但不会飞走。
So I figured the bird was hurt.
所以我认为这只鸟受伤了。
And I'm looking at the bird, crouching over it.
我蹲在它身上，看着那只鸟。
And this jogger goes by me, and he said, oh, that bird was there two hours ago when I started my run.
这位慢跑者从我身边走过，他说，哦，两小时前我开始跑步时，那只鸟就在那儿了。
So I raced back home on my bike.
于是我骑着自行车飞奔回家。
And I went into the house and I collected a shoe box and I filled it with grass and birdseed, got some rubber gloves.
我走进房子，拿起一个鞋盒，里面装满了草和鸟食，还买了一些橡胶手套。
And I drove back to where the bird was.
我开车回到那只鸟所在的地方。
And the bird was still there.
那只鸟还在那里。
It was about a mile from my house.
距离我家大约一英里。
And it's just looking up at me.
它只是抬头看着我。
So I thought it was really hurt.
所以我觉得真的很受伤。
And I tried to scoop it into the shoe box.
我试着把它舀进鞋盒里。
And it just gets up, looks at me, and flies away.
它就站起来，看着我，然后飞走了。
There's nothing wrong with it.
没有什么问题。
Wings were fine.
翅膀很好。
I saw it flying off into the distance.
我看见它飞向远方。
And I thought-- it just hit me like a ton of bricks, right at that moment, there was nothing I could do to save this innocent little bird, which in the end, he was fine.
我想——它就像一大块砖头一样击中了我，就在那一刻，我无能为力来拯救这只无辜的小鸟，但最终，他很好。
He flew away.
他飞走了。
And there was nothing I could do to save Spalding.
我无能为力拯救斯伯丁。
Kathie Russo, these days she's a producer on the podcast, You and Me Both with Hillary Clinton and the executive producer of the podcast Here's the Thing with Alec Baldwin.
凯西·罗素 (Kathie Russo) 目前是希拉里·克林顿 (Hillary Clinton) 播客《You and Me Both》的制作人，以及亚历克·鲍德温 (Alec Baldwin) 播客《Here's the Thing》的执行制片人。
Well, the various stories in today's rerun were produced by Alex Blumberg, Susan Burton, Ben Calhoun, Blue Chevigny, Jane Marie, Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alyssa Shipp, Julie Snyder, Alix Spiegel, and Nancy Updike.
今天重播的各个故事由亚历克斯·布隆伯格、苏珊·伯顿、本·卡尔霍恩、布鲁·切维尼、简·玛丽、莎拉·科尼格、乔纳森·门吉瓦、丽莎·波拉克、布莱恩·里德、罗宾·塞米恩、阿丽莎·希普、朱莉·斯奈德、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和南希·厄普代克制作。
Music help from Mr. John Conners.
约翰·康纳斯先生提供音乐帮助。
Other help today from Larry Josephson and Jay [?
今天来自拉里·约瑟夫森和杰伊的其他帮助[？
Headblade.
头刃。
?] Additional production on today's rerun from James Bennett II, Michael Cromartie, and Stowe Nelson.
？] 今天重播的附加制作由詹姆斯·贝内特二世、迈克尔·克罗马蒂和斯托·尼尔森制作。
Some updates on the people in today's rerun.
今天重播中有关人物的一些最新情况。
Tamara Staples has launched a Kickstarter campaign for a new project, a documentary series about show chickens.
Tamara Staples 为一个新项目发起了 Kickstarter 众筹活动，该项目是一部关于表演鸡的纪录片系列。
It's called The Standard Of Perfection.
这就是所谓的完美标准。
George Cairns, the grandfather from the Davidson's dairy farm, died back in 2011.
戴维森奶牛场的祖父乔治·凯恩斯 (George Cairns) 于 2011 年去世。
Susan Vitucci's opera about Chicken Little is available on CD and also on several streaming platforms.
苏珊·维图奇 (Susan Vitucci) 创作的关于《小鸡》的歌剧有 CD 版本，也可在多个流媒体平台上购买。
More information on where you can find it at www.pulcina.org.
有关在哪里可以找到它的更多信息，请访问 www.pulcina.org。
That is Pulcina spelled, of course, P-U-L-C-I-N-A.
当然，这是 Pulcina 的拼写，P-U-L-C-I-N-A。
[INAUDIBLE] story about her first aired all the way back in 1997.
[听不清] 关于她的故事第一次播出可以追溯到 1997 年。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream over 800 of our episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费观看我们的 800 多集节目。
Also, there's merch for your holiday shopping.
此外，还有适合您假日购物的商品。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always, to our program's confounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的混淆者 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know what product drives him crazy?
你知道什么产品让他发疯吗？
Chicken of the Sea.
海之鸡。
He's like, it's not chicken.
他说，这不是鸡。
It's tuna.
是金枪鱼。
Typical that a tuna would fib like that.
金枪鱼会撒这样的小谎是很典型的。
Chicken never would.
鸡永远不会。
Chickens aren't going to lie.
鸡是不会说谎的。
Chickens have integrity.
鸡有诚信。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。