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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass I remember the day my dad taught me how to shave.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 我记得我爸爸教我如何刮胡子的那一天。
For him to take the time to instruct me about anything was so unusual that, even while we stood there at the sink, I thought I'd remember it.
他花时间指导我任何事情都是很不寻常的，即使我们站在水槽旁，我也想我会记住这一点。
I wanted to remember it.
我想记住它。
I wanted it to mean something, like it was some sort of "boy becomes a man" rite of passage, though that kind of sentimentality is more my personality than my dad's.
我想让它有意义，就像这是某种“男孩成为男人”的成人仪式，尽管这种多愁善感更多的是我的个性，而不是我父亲的个性。
I doubt he felt anything of the kind.
我怀疑他有这种感觉。
I still think about it some mornings when I shave, decades later.
几十年后的某些早晨，当我刮胡子时，我仍然会想起这件事。
I remember every part of his instructions-- that I had to wet my face down with hot water to soften the barely existent facial hair, which were not the kind of men's whiskers that needed softening.
我记得他指示的每一个部分——我必须用热水弄湿我的脸，以软化几乎不存在的面部毛发，这不是那种需要软化的男士胡须。
So I wondered if he knew what he was talking about.
所以我想知道他是否知道自己在说什么。
He showed me how to hold a razor, the length of the strokes.
他向我展示了如何握住剃须刀，以及剃须刀的长度。
When it came time to demonstrate the actual shaving, he realized he couldn't actually do it from the front.
当需要演示实际剃须时，他意识到他实际上无法从正面进行剃须。
He needed to stand behind me and then reach up to my face at the same angle that he was used to shaving his own face with.
他需要站在我身后，然后以他习惯为自己刮脸的角度伸到我的脸上。
So he got in back of me and sort of reached his arms up around me, close and intimate while he did that, which was unusual.
于是他走到我身后，伸出双臂搂住我，这样做时亲密而亲密，这很不寻常。
He was a conscientious dad, a worried dad, a caring dad, but we never had much physical contact.
他是一个认真负责的父亲，一个忧心忡忡的父亲，一个充满爱心的父亲，但我们从未有过太多的身体接触。
What stands out most about this memory is how few I have that are like it of him actually teaching me something, taking the time to impart some kind of lesson about the world.
这段记忆中最引人注目的是，我很少有像他那样真正教我一些东西，花时间传授某种关于世界的课程的记忆。
To get that kind of focused attention from him was rare.
能得到他如此集中的注意力是很少见的。
He grew up without a dad.
他在没有父亲的情况下长大。
And he did his best, but he didn't have much feeling for what a son might want or might get from a father.
他尽了最大努力，但对于儿子可能想要什么或可能从父亲那里得到什么，他没有太多感觉。
Day to day, his mind didn't seem to be on me or my sisters at all, but on his job.
日复一日，他的心思似乎根本不在我或我的姐妹身上，而是在他的工作上。
He was an accountant, stressed out, working long hours at the firm he started.
他是一名会计师，压力很大，在他创办的公司工作很长时间。
Years ago, I was invited to contribute a short chapter to a book about what men learned from their dads.
几年前，我受邀为一本关于男人从父亲那里学到的东西的书撰写一个简短的章节。
And I wrote something saying that this shaving memory is one of the few that I have of him passing on some kind of knowledge or wisdom.
我写了一些东西说，这个剃须记忆是我所拥有的关于他传递某种知识或智慧的为数不多的记忆之一。
And I showed him the draft, worried that he would be hurt that I would think that or that I would say it publicly.
我给他看了草稿，担心他会因为我这么想或者我公开说出来而受到伤害。
But his biggest problem with what I wrote was that I called him an accountant.
但他对我写的东西最大的问题是我称他为会计师。
He was a CPA, he told me.
他告诉我，他是一名注册会计师。
Very different.
非常不同。
Could I change it?
我可以改变它吗？
Of course, I did.
当然，我做到了。
He died a few weeks ago, at 90 with dementia.
几周前，他因痴呆症去世，享年 90 岁。
It's weird watching somebody with your same body, your same roll of fat around their stomach, same hands, same fingers, same skin, go gray and stop breathing.
看着一个和你有着同样的身体、同样的腹部脂肪、同样的手、同样的手指、同样的皮肤的人，变得灰白、停止呼吸，这感觉很奇怪。
Right.
正确的。
That's me, I thought.
这就是我，我想。
Soon enough.
很快就够了。
And I've been thinking a lot about the parts of him that I carry in me.
我一直在思考他身上我身上的哪些部分。
My dad wasn't very curious about others.
我父亲对其他人并不是很好奇。
If he met you, he wouldn't ask you lots of questions to figure out who you are or how you tick.
如果他遇见你，他不会问你很多问题来弄清楚你是谁或你如何打勾。
Wasn't the most talkative.
还不是最健谈的。
If anything, some of the moves that I developed as an interviewer come directly from being in the car with him and trying to actually get him to speak about something, anything, which I guess happens a lot.
如果有的话，我作为采访者开发的一些动作直接来自于和他一起在车里，并试图让他真正谈论一些事情，任何事情，我想这种情况经常发生。
Kids develop personalities to fit into the jigsaw pieces of what their parents aren't.
孩子们会发展自己的个性，以适应父母所不具备的个性。
I honestly see his good traits in me and all of his bad ones, too, all the time.
老实说，我一直在我身上看到他的优点，也看到他所有的缺点。
The biggest of those, some deep part of me that feels so much more comfortable when I'm alone than when I'm around other people.
其中最重要的是，我内心深处的某个部分，当我独自一人时，比和其他人在一起时感觉更舒服。
Sometimes all I want to be is alone and just not deal.
有时候我只想一个人呆着，而不是处理事情。
That kind of thing isolated my dad from people who cared about him, from love and experiences that he could have had.
这种事情使我父亲与关心他的人隔绝，与他本可以拥有的爱和经历隔绝。
And it's done that to me as well, at times.
有时我也会这么做。
When was the day he taught me that?
他什么时候教我这个的？
I think most of what we learned from our parents, they never intended for us to learn.
我认为我们从父母那里学到的大部分东西，他们从来没有打算让我们学习。
This stuff just shows up inside of us like a virus, one that they never meant to transmit and we didn't mean to catch.
这些东西只是像病毒一样出现在我们体内，他们从来没有打算传播这种病毒，我们也无意感染这种病毒。
Then we look up later and they're in us, while we watch them on morphine, struggling with their breathing, and after they're gone, as well.
然后我们稍后抬头一看，他们就在我们体内，当我们看着他们吸食吗啡、呼吸困难时，以及在他们消失之后。
Today on our show, we have stories where kids grapple with their dad's legacies-- stuff about them consciously and unconsciously, good and bad, that they left behind.
今天在我们的节目中，我们有一些故事，孩子们努力处理他们父亲的遗产——关于他们有意识和无意识、好的和坏的、他们留下的东西。
OK, for this next line, I have an old recording of my dad.
好的，对于下一句，我有一张我父亲的旧录音。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
Act One, "Am I My Father's Trapper Keeper, Keeper?" Before we get to the father in this story, let me play you this ad.
第一幕，“我是我父亲的陷阱守护者吗，守护者？”在我们讨论这个故事中的父亲之前，让我给你播放这个广告。
It's from the '80s.
这是八十年代的事。
Two teenagers in a crowded library, they stand up and, oops, bump into each other.
两个青少年在拥挤的图书馆里站起来，哎呀，撞到了对方。
Papers fall to the ground.
报纸掉到地上。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
Ira Glass Such good acting, then this realistic piece of dialogue.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）演技如此出色，然后是这段现实的对话。
Say, what is that thing?
说吧，那是什么东西？
Girl It's my Trapper from Mead.
女孩 这是我的米德诱捕者。
It's an ad for a Trapper Keeper notebook.
这是 Trapper Keeper 笔记本的广告。
One of the main selling points-- keeps all your papers trapped.
主要卖点之一——让你的所有文件都被困住。
Get it?
得到它？
So they don't fall out.
所以它们不会掉出来。
And I've got a Trapper folder for each subject.
我为每个主题都有一个 Trapper 文件夹。
That's pretty neat.
这非常整洁。
Girl Mm-hmm.
女孩 嗯嗯。
And the Trapper Keeper holds all my Trappers.
捕兽者守护者持有我所有的捕兽者。
This flap even has a Velcro closure to keep everything inside.
这个翻盖甚至有一个 Velcro 闭合装置，可将所有物品固定在里面。
Boy, I've got to get a Trapper and get my act together.
伙计，我得找个捕手，然后开始行动。
That last line kind of gets to me.
最后一句话有点让我感动。
What is wrong with me?
我是怎么了？
Ads like this are the kind of thing that either evoke nostalgia or complete bafflement.
像这样的广告要么会唤起怀旧之情，要么会让人完全困惑。
But if you were around in the '80s, you knew the Trapper Keeper-- the Velcro sound when you open it, the pictures on the covers, the rings of the binder.
但如果你生活在 80 年代，你就会知道 Trapper Keeper——打开它时的 Velcro 声音、封面上的图片、活页夹的环。
They sort of smoothly slid open and shut instead of snapping so you wouldn't catch your fingers.
它们可以顺利地滑动打开和关闭，而不是突然折断，这样你就不会夹住手指。
According to a press release from the time, half of all middle school and high school students had a Trapper Keeper in 1989.
根据当时的一份新闻稿，1989 年，一半的初中生和高中生都拥有捕兽者饲养员。
I don't know if I believe that, but there were a lot of them around.
我不知道我是否相信这一点，但周围有很多这样的人。
Anyway, when the inventor of the Trapper Keeper died last year, it got a lot of attention.
无论如何，当捕兽者守护者的发明者去年去世时，它引起了很多关注。
E.
E.
Bryant Crutchfield, the inventor of the Trapper Keeper, has died.
捕兽者守护者的发明者布莱恩特·克拉奇菲尔德去世了。
If you were in school during the 1980s or '90s, I'd be willing to bet good money you carried around the cultural phenomenon of a binder created by a man named E.
如果你在 20 世纪 80 年代或 90 年代上学，我敢打赌，你一定携带着由一个名叫 E 的人创造的活页夹的文化现象。
Bryant Crutchfield.
布莱恩特·克拉奇菲尔德。
NPR, The Today Show, The Washington Post, The New York Times, they all ran stories.
NPR、今日秀、华盛顿邮报、纽约时报，他们都报道了故事。
And then we got this email.
然后我们收到了这封电子邮件。
It was from a woman who was very surprised by those obituaries.
这是一位女士写的，她对这些讣告感到非常惊讶。
Because, as far as she knew, the inventor of the trapper keeper was very much alive.
因为，据她所知，捕兽器守护者的发明者还活着。
And he was her father.
他是她的父亲。
She said her dad had invented it, not the guy in the obit.
她说这是她父亲发明的，而不是讣告中的那个人。
And she was not happy about it.
她对此并不满意。
Obviously, this is not the kind of tip that a self-respecting radio producer can just let go.
显然，这不是一个有自尊心的广播制作人可以轻易放过的小费。
Phia Bennin, here on our program, tried to figure out what was going on.
参加我们节目的菲亚·本宁 (Phia Bennin) 试图弄清楚到底发生了什么事。
The dad in the email, his name is Jon Wyant, lives in South Carolina.
电子邮件中的父亲名叫乔恩·怀特 (Jon Wyant)，住在南卡罗来纳州。
He's 83 years old.
他今年 83 岁了。
And I can definitely confirm he's alive.
我可以肯定地确认他还活着。
How do I know?
我怎么知道？
I talked to him.
我和他谈过。
He saw the obit when he was looking at his computer one day, and there, on the screen, was his old colleague, E.
有一天，他在看电脑时看到了讣告，屏幕上是他的老同事 E.
Bryant Crutchfield.
布莱恩特·克拉奇菲尔德。
After I read it, I told my wife.
我读完后，告诉了我的妻子。
I said, oh, well, poor Bryant, he's gone.
我说，哦，好吧，可怜的科比，他走了。
But I just looked at it and thought, well, I know the truth.
但我只是看着它，然后想，好吧，我知道真相。
So what could I do?
那我能做什么呢？
I mean, I was not about to sit down and write a rebuttal and send it to The New York Times.
我的意思是，我不打算坐下来写一篇反驳文章并将其发送给《纽约时报》。
The sense I get from talking to Jon is that he's someone who tucks his feelings away, sealed tightly, maybe with Velcro.
我从与乔恩的谈话中得到的感觉是，他是一个将自己的感情隐藏起来的人，可能用尼龙搭扣紧紧地密封起来。
Well, that is not true of the rest of his family.
但他的其他家人却并非如此。
His daughter, Jackie, the one who wrote us, here's how she remembers obit day.
他的女儿杰基（Jackie）是给我们写信的人，她是这样回忆讣告日的。
I was sitting in my kitchen and my phone rings, and my mom calls me.
我坐在厨房里，电话响了，妈妈给我打电话。
And she just said, you're not going to believe this.
她只是说，你不会相信这一点。
You're not going to believe this.
你不会相信这一点。
It was the obit.
这是讣告。
Jackie She's like, and it's everywhere.
杰基 她就像，而且无处不在。
And I'm like, wait a minute.
我想，等一下。
I start to just google "Trapper Keeper inventor," and I started looking at all of the results.
我开始用谷歌搜索“捕猎者守护者发明家”，然后我开始查看所有结果。
And it was like, all these-- all these publications, all these online people like bloggers.
就像，所有这些——所有这些出版物，所有这些像博主这样的在线人。
And I just was like-- and I didn't tell her.
我只是想——但我没有告诉她。
I go, yeah, OK, I see.
我去，是的，好的，我明白了。
Yeah, it's out there in the universe somewhere.
是的，它就在宇宙的某个地方。
And she's like, this is terrible.
她说，这太可怕了。
This is terrible.
这太可怕了。
She was on fire.
她着火了。
Jackie told me Jon may be too polite to say it, but creating the Trapper Keeper has been a big part of his identity, his legacy.
杰基告诉我，乔恩可能太有礼貌而没有说出来，但创造捕手守护者一直是他身份和遗产的重要组成部分。
A few months before he talked to us, he was at his golf club.
在他接受我们采访的几个月前，他正在他的高尔夫俱乐部。
I was talking to a couple, and I just happened to have a Mead jacket on.
我正在和一对夫妇聊天，而我恰好穿着一件米德夹克。
It said "Mead" on it.
上面写着“米德”。
And this woman looked over and says, did you work for Mead.
这个女人走过来说，你为米德工作吗？
And I said, yes, I did.
我说，是的，我做到了。
Yeah, 36 years.
是的，36岁。
And she said, Mead, the Trapper Keeper.
她说，米德，捕兽者守护者。
I said, well, that's interesting that you bring that up.
我说，好吧，你提出这个问题很有趣。
[LAUGHS] I said, I was very involved in putting that little turkey together.
[笑]我说，我非常投入地将那只小火鸡放在一起。
And she said, oh, my god.
她说，哦，天啊。
Oh, she said that was the neatest school supply I-- oh.
哦，她说那是最整洁的学校用品我——哦。
I said, I'm Trapper Jon.
我说，我是特拉珀·乔恩。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Trapper Jon-- that's actually what some of his friends call him.
特拉珀·乔恩——这实际上是他的一些朋友对他的称呼。
Here's how Jon says the Trapper Keeper came to be.
乔恩说，这就是捕兽人守护者的由来。
Back in the '70s, Jon was working as director of new product development at Mead.
早在 70 年代，Jon 就在 Mead 担任新产品开发总监。
He was the person whose job was to build new stuff the company could sell.
他的工作就是开发公司可以销售的新产品。
And he says Crutchfield, the guy in the obits who worked in marketing, came to him one day and asked him to make a binder that could hold these folders that had vertical pockets.
他说，讣告中从事营销工作的克鲁奇菲尔德有一天来找他，要求他制作一种活页夹，可以装这些带有垂直口袋的文件夹。
Jon says there wasn't much more guidance than that.
乔恩说没有比这更多的指导了。
And so, over a few weeks, he put together the pieces that would become the trapper keeper.
就这样，在几周的时间里，他把所有的碎片拼凑起来，成为了捕兽者的守护者。
Jon says he designed the shape of the binder, the shape of the folders, the flap closure, the logo, and even the plastic clipboard in the back with the spot for the pencil.
乔恩说，他设计了活页夹的形状、文件夹的形状、翻盖闭合、徽标，甚至背面带有铅笔位置的塑料剪贴板。
That was something he invented earlier with another guy.
这是他早些时候和另一个人发明的东西。
It was a full three-dimensional prototype, designed, created with colors, named, the whole works.
这是一个完整的三维原型，设计，用颜色创建，命名，整个作品。
I can remember sitting at my desk with a tracing pad and tracing out of a typography book the logo.
我记得坐在办公桌前，拿着描图板，在一本排版书上描出徽标。
And it's still the same logo that's on the product today.
它仍然是今天产品上的相同徽标。
It was the exact trapper keeper.
这正是捕兽人的守护者。
Here it is.
这里是。
Jon says the whole idea that it would trap papers so they don't fall out, like the main sell of that commercial--
乔恩说整个想法是它会困住纸张，这样它们就不会掉下来，就像该广告的主要卖点一样——
This flap even has a Velcro closure to keep everything inside.
这个翻盖甚至有一个 Velcro 闭合装置，可将所有物品固定在里面。
--Jon says that was him, too.
——乔恩说那也是他。
He created the flap closure so nothing would fall out.
他设计了翻盖闭合装置，这样就不会掉落任何东西。
He even came up with the name Trapper Keeper.
他甚至想出了“陷阱守护者”这个名字。
Some of the obituaries actually give Jon credit for this.
一些讣告实际上将这一点归功于乔恩。
In The New York Times, they say over a martini-fueled lunch, Jon suggested the name to Bryant.
《纽约时报》称，在一顿马提尼午餐时，乔恩向科比建议了这个名字。
It even quotes Bryant saying, "Bang!
它甚至引用了科比的话说：“砰！
It made sense." That's the only mention Jon gets.
这是有道理的。”这是乔恩唯一被提及的事。
He and his family, they're pretty sure Crutchfield deliberately cut him out of the story, grabbed all the credit for himself.
他和他的家人非常确定克拉奇菲尔德故意把他从故事中剔除，把所有的功劳都据为己有。
Learning all of this, I felt for Jon.
了解到这一切，我对乔恩产生了同情。
Maybe anybody would, but I really did.
也许任何人都会这样做，但我确实这样做了。
Like, "couldn't let it go" did.
就像“不能放手”一样。
I feel a little silly saying this, but I identify with Jon.
我觉得这么说有点傻，但我认同乔恩。
I'm also a behind the scenes kind of person.
我也是一个幕后人物。
I hardly ever talk on the radio.
我几乎从不在广播中讲话。
I'm an editor here.
我是这里的编辑。
I love helping make things happen in the background.
我喜欢在后台帮助事情发生。
So I saw myself in him.
于是我在他身上看到了自己。
In fact, another producer started the story, Diane Wu, who you hear in some of the interviews.
事实上，另一个制片人黛安·吴（Diane Wu）开始了这个故事，你可以在一些采访中听到她的声音。
She lost interest in it, but I wouldn't let it die.
她对此失去了兴趣，但我不会让它消亡。
It felt like if I could get his hard work noticed, the world, in some tiny, little way, would feel more fair.
感觉如果我能让他的辛勤工作受到关注，世界在某种程度上会感觉更加公平。
So did some marketing guy do a marketing job on his own legacy-- like, convince the national press to tell the story he wanted told?
那么，是否有某个营销人员在自己的遗产上做了营销工作——比如说服全国媒体讲述他想讲述的故事？
Obviously, the person who would have answers was Crutchfield himself.
显然，能够得到答案的人就是克拉奇菲尔德本人。
But since that wasn't an option, I found his kids, Ken and Carol.
但由于那不是一个选择，我找到了他的孩子肯和卡罗尔。
I'd seen Ken posting about how proud he was of his dad's accomplishments.
我看到肯发帖表示他对父亲的成就感到多么自豪。
I didn't relish the idea of calling these people whose dad had just died to say, there's this other guy who says he invented the trapper keeper, and your dad took all the credit for himself.
我不喜欢给那些父亲刚刚去世的人打电话，告诉他们，还有一个人说他发明了捕兽器，而你的父亲把所有的功劳都据为己有。
But they were open to talking about it.
但他们愿意谈论这个问题。
Yeah, that sounds like my dad, something he would do.
是的，这听起来像我父亲，他会做的事。
This is Carol, Crutchfield's daughter.
这是卡罗尔，克拉奇菲尔德的女儿。
I told her and her brother what Jon said, that her dad had been a big part of the Trapper Keeper's success, did great marketing for it, but that Jon was the one who actually built the thing.
我告诉她和她的兄弟乔恩所说的话，她的父亲是捕猎者守护者成功的重要组成部分，为它做了很好的营销，但乔恩才是真正建造这个东西的人。
Yeah, that makes sense that they were more than one person involved in creating the Trapper Keeper but, yeah, he took all the credit.
是的，这是有道理的，因为他们不止一个人参与创建了捕猎者守护者，但是，是的，他拿走了所有的功劳。
I mean, it feels kind of yucky because-- I feel bad for them because I didn't know about him.
我的意思是，这感觉有点恶心，因为——我为他们感到难过，因为我不了解他。
But, yeah, it's uncomfortable.
但是，是的，这很不舒服。
Would it be out of character for your dad to play up his role in something?
你父亲在某事中扮演自己的角色会不会不符合他的性格？
He's always been a talker.
他一向是个爱说话的人。
And he is always somebody who thinks to talk about himself.
他总是一个想谈论自己的人。
That's what was one of his favorite subjects.
这是他最喜欢的科目之一。
Here's what I learned about E.
这是我对E的了解。
Bryant Crutchfield, or "Crutch," as his friends called him, from talking to his kids.
布莱恩特·克拉奇菲尔德（Bryant Crutchfield），或“拐杖”，他的朋友们在和孩子们交谈时称他为“拐杖”。
Crutch was a memorable guy, could be a challenging guy.
拐杖是一个令人难忘的人，也可能是一个具有挑战性的人。
Fun-loving.
爱热闹。
Very proud of his kids.
为他的孩子们感到非常自豪。
Big emphasis on providing for his family.
非常重视养家糊口。
Maybe some imposter syndrome.
也许有些冒名顶替综合症。
A big advice giver, a lover of drink.
一位伟大的建议者，一位饮酒爱好者。
The martinis in the story made sense.
故事中的马提尼酒是有道理的。
And Ken says that for most of his life, the Trapper Keeper wasn't a thing he talked about a lot.
肯说，在他一生的大部分时间里，他并没有经常谈论捕兽者守护者。
Ken wasn't even aware of his dad's relationship with the binder until about a decade ago, when a reporter for the website, Mental Floss, wrote a long story about the invention of the Trapper Keeper, and the piece was all about his dad.
直到大约十年前，肯甚至不知道他父亲与活页夹的关系，当时 Mental Floss 网站的一名记者写了一篇关于捕兽器守护者发明的长篇故事，而这篇文章全部都是关于他的父亲的。
Ken's friends started sending him the article.
肯的朋友开始向他发送这篇文章。
I got a bit of a chuckle out of it, but I didn't really think much more of it than that.
我听了有点好笑，但我并没有想更多。
Because I think my dad has always been somebody to have certain narratives and things that he would talk about.
因为我认为我的父亲一直是一个有某些故事和他会谈论的事情的人。
So he managed to talk about Harvard in that article.
所以他在那篇文章中谈到了哈佛。
If he was talking to a perfect stranger there's a couple of topics that would come up, and one of them was he would find a way to work into the conversation something about Harvard.
如果他和一个完全陌生的人交谈，就会出现几个话题，其中之一就是他会找到一种方法来谈论有关哈佛的话题。
What did he do at Harvard?
他在哈佛做了什么？
Ken It was basically like a semester of an MBA program.
Ken 这基本上就像 MBA 课程的一个学期。
So I think that was a proud thing for him, especially having grown up in Alabama and somebody that was the first to go to college, really, I think in his family.
所以我认为这对他来说是一件值得骄傲的事情，尤其是他在阿拉巴马州长大，而且是他家里第一个上大学的人。
The Mental Floss story and the obits explain Crutch's role in creating the Trapper Keeper this way-- that Crutch was the one who spotted a need for something like the Trapper Keeper.
《Mental Floss》的故事和讣告以这种方式解释了拐杖在创造捕手守护者中所扮演的角色——拐杖是那个发现了对捕手守护者之类的东西的需求的人。
The copy machine had made its way into schools.
复印机已经进入学校。
Kids had lots of papers.
孩子们有很多论文。
They needed a way to keep them in place.
他们需要一种方法来将它们固定到位。
And Crutch had also learned that there was a different kind of folder that he thought would sell well.
克拉奇还了解到，有一种不同类型的文件夹，他认为这种文件夹会卖得很好。
It had vertical pockets.
它有垂直的口袋。
He put those things together and sold it to the world, which, with this kind of product, is everything.
他把这些东西放在一起，卖给世界，有了这种产品，世界就一切了。
As Ken puts it--
正如肯所说——
The imagery, the pop culture, finding the trends, being able to reach the audience-- what, frankly, is kind of a complex sale.
图像、流行文化、发现趋势、能够接触到受众——坦率地说，这是一种复杂的销售。
How many kids were able to buy their own product?
有多少孩子能够购买自己的产品？
Who had disposable income to buy it versus had to influence their parents to get the binder that they wanted?
谁有可支配收入来购买它，而不是必须影响他们的父母才能获得他们想要的活页夹？
Talking to Ken, reading the obits, I do think Crutch played a really significant role in the creation of the Trapper Keeper.
与肯交谈，阅读讣告，我确实认为拐杖在捕猎者守护者的创造中发挥了非常重要的作用。
I found this case study all about Crutch's approach to the project.
我发现这个案例研究全部都是关于 Crutch 的项目方法。
I talked to a former boss.
我和一位前老板谈过。
It really seems like the Trapper Keeper wouldn't have happened without him.
如果没有他，捕手守护者就不会出现。
I think he does deserve credit, just not all of it.
我认为他确实值得赞扬，但不是全部。
That Mental Floss article seemed like it was the inspiration for all those obituaries when Crutch died.
这篇《心理牙线》的文章似乎是克鲁奇去世时所有讣告的灵感来源。
Both The New York Times and The Washington Post obits linked to it.
《纽约时报》和《华盛顿邮报》都与之相关。
And Carol says the Mental Floss article stirred things up for her dad back when he was still alive.
卡罗尔说，《心理牙线》的文章在她父亲还活着的时候就引起了他的注意。
He was in his 70s when that reporter called him up.
记者打电话给他时，他已经70多岁了。
Before that, Carol agreed with her brother.
在此之前，卡罗尔同意她哥哥的观点。
The Trapper Keeper wasn't a big topic for him.
捕兽者守护者对他来说并不是一个大话题。
In the last, like, probably five years of his life, it was very much he would turn everything around to try to show that he had a legacy.
在他生命的最后，大概五年里，他非常愿意扭转一切，试图证明他拥有遗产。
He would stop people in the restaurant, say I invented the Trapper Keeper.
他会阻止餐厅里的人们，说我发明了捕兽人守护者。
Oh, really?
哦真的吗？
Carol Yeah.
卡罗尔 是的。
And I would find him over here talking to somebody, asking them what they're eating.
我会发现他在这里和别人说话，问他们在吃什么。
And I'd have to go get him and say, leave these people alone.
我必须去找他并告诉他，别打扰这些人。
They're eating.
他们正在吃东西。
Oh, but they want to hear about the Trapper Keeper.
哦，但他们想听听捕兽者守护者的事。
Really?
真的吗？
Carol Yeah, and I think that came about after that whole Mental Floss interview.
卡罗尔 是的，我认为这是在整个 Mental Floss 采访之后发生的。
And that got him thinking, oh, I do have a legacy.
这让他想，哦，我确实有遗产。
Huh.
呵呵。
Carol And then he's just kind of went with that and focused on it.
卡罗尔：然后他就同意了并专注于它。
And look how good-looking I used to be.
还有你看我以前长得多好看。
And I did this.
我做到了。
So it was all ego.
所以这都是自我。
I'm sure my mother would love to hear that from me.
我确信我妈妈会很高兴听到我这么说。
Carol wanted to make it clear that she loved her dad.
卡罗尔想明确表示她爱她的父亲。
He was warm, very funny.
他很温暖，很有趣。
Her friends loved him.
她的朋友们都很爱他。
She didn't think he was trying to be mean or steal anything.
她不认为他是想刻薄或偷东西。
He was just the star of his own show.
他只是他自己节目中的明星。
Like, if my dad was here right now and I asked him about Jon, he would say, oh, yeah, Jon did this, and Jon did that, and Jon did this.
就像，如果我爸爸现在在这里，我问他关于乔恩的事，他会说，哦，是的，乔恩做了这个，乔恩做了那个，乔恩做了这个。
I don't think he would lie about it purposefully because my dad wasn't like that.
我不认为他会故意撒谎，因为我父亲不是那样的人。
I think his brain just kind of twisted facts to meet his own ego needs there towards the end.
我认为他的大脑只是扭曲了事实来满足他自己的自我需求，直到最后。
I was struck by how honest and thoughtful both kids were about their dad.
我对两个孩子对他们父亲的诚实和体贴感到震惊。
And after talking to both of them, I got back in touch with John and Jackie, relayed what the Crutchfield kids had said, and they told me it made them feel better.
与他们两人交谈后，我重新联系了约翰和杰基，转述了克拉奇菲尔德孩子们所说的话，他们告诉我这让他们感觉好多了。
Turns out Crutchfield's son wants to write a book about the trapper keeper and really wants to talk to Jon.
事实证明，克拉奇菲尔德的儿子想写一本关于捕兽者饲养员的书，并且真的很想和乔恩谈谈。
I sent them each other's emails.
我给他们发了彼此的电子邮件。
It's funny.
很有趣。
As I worked on this story, I realized the reason I loved the Trapper Keeper actually has nothing to do with Jon or Crutch.
当我写这个故事时，我意识到我喜欢捕兽人守护者的原因实际上与乔恩或拐杖无关。
It was the cover art-- those rainbows, and Lisa Frank images, and puppies, and palm trees.
这是封面艺术——那些彩虹、丽莎·弗兰克的图像、小狗和棕榈树。
I'm pretty sure mine had an outer space scene with geometric shapes.
我很确定我的有一个具有几何形状的外太空场景。
I tried to find out who the artist was who deserves credit for that, but I haven't had any luck.
我试图找出谁是值得称赞的艺术家，但我没有任何运气。
If that happens to be your dad or mom, parent, please write me.
如果那恰好是你的爸爸或妈妈，家长，请写信给我。
Phia Bennin hates being on the radio-- for now, anyway.
菲亚·贝宁 (Phia Bennin) 讨厌上广播节目——至少现在是这样。
We're working on her.
我们正在研究她。
She's an editor here at our show.
她是我们节目的编辑。
Coming up, explaining the sex robots of the future to your great grandkids and other legacy issues we have yet to face, but will someday.
接下来，向您的曾孙解释未来的性爱机器人以及我们尚未面对但有一天会面对的其他遗留问题。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, "How I Learned to Shave." Stories of our parents' legacies and what we learned from our dads, whether it's intended or not.
今天的节目“我是如何学会刮胡子的”。关于我们父母的遗产的故事以及我们从父亲那里学到的东西，无论是有意还是无意。
We've arrived at Act Two of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, "Raised by Wolf."
第二幕“狼养大”。
So we now turn to this father and son who go hunting together, have all kinds of adventures, and then things get complicated.
所以我们现在转向这对父子，他们一起去打猎，经历各种冒险，然后事情就变得复杂了。
Both of them were raised by wolves because they are wolves.
他们俩都是被狼养大的，因为他们是狼。
Here's Lilly Sullivan.
请听莉莉·沙利文的报道。
Rick McIntyre has spent more time watching wild wolves than anyone in the world.
瑞克·麦金泰尔（Rick McIntyre）观察野狼的时间比世界上任何人都多。
He's been doing it for over 40 years.
他已经这样做了 40 多年。
His focus on them is singular and complete.
他对它们的关注是单一而完整的。
He lives alone in a little cabin just outside of Yellowstone.
他独自住在黄石公园外的一间小木屋里。
And every day, seven days a week, he gets up before dawn, figures out where they are.
每周 7 天，每天他都会在黎明前起床，弄清楚他们在哪里。
He watches them, writes down what they do.
他观察他们，记下他们所做的事情。
It's now over 13,000 pages of field notes, single-spaced.
现在有超过 13,000 页的单行距田野笔记。
And he's turned those notes into books.
他把这些笔记变成了书。
Reading them, it's like you're out there with him, seeing what he sees.
阅读它们，就像你和他在一起，看到他所看到的。
And you just watch the wolves.
而你只是看着狼群。
Lots of scientific papers have been based on his observations.
许多科学论文都是基于他的观察。
Before Rick and others started doing this work, we really didn't know much about wolves-- well, except for one thing-- that we didn't want them around, even in Yellowstone.
在里克和其他人开始做这项工作之前，我们真的对狼了解不多——好吧，除了一件事——我们不希望它们出现在身边，即使是在黄石公园。
The early rangers back in the 1920s, like pretty much everyone else in America at that time, felt that wolves were no good and that they should all be killed off.
早在 20 年代，早期的护林员就和当时美国的几乎所有其他人一样，认为狼不好，应该把它们全部消灭掉。
And those early rangers did that job in a very thorough manner.
那些早期的护林员非常彻底地完成了这项工作。
US Park Rangers killed off the last of the wolves in Yellowstone.
美国公园巡游者杀死了黄石公园的最后一只狼。
Then, in the 1990s, we realized that was a big mistake.
然后，到了 20 世纪 90 年代，我们意识到这是一个很大的错误。
So we decided to reintroduce them by capturing three families of wild wolves from Canada and bringing them back to try to get them to settle in and repopulate the park.
因此，我们决定重新引入它们，从加拿大捕获三个野狼家族并将它们带回来，试图让它们在公园定居并重新繁衍。
They put tracking collars on them so they could find them and watch them, which meant we could really learn what these animals were like in a way that hadn't been possible for most of history.
他们给它们戴上了追踪项圈，这样我们就可以找到它们并观察它们，这意味着我们可以以一种在历史上大部分时间里不可能的方式真正了解这些动物的样子。
That's what Rick's job was.
这就是瑞克的工作。
And of all the things he observed, this is the story that got to him most, of two wolves, a father and a son.
在他观察到的所有事情中，最让他感动的是这个故事：两只狼，一个父亲和一个儿子。
We're going to start with the father, who was one of the first wolves to be reintroduced to Yellowstone.
我们将从父亲开始，他是第一批被重新引入黄石公园的狼之一。
As Rick puts it in his book, "If Shakespeare were telling the story, he'd start it deep in a forest, deep in a wolf's den." Three pups come running out of the den, all robust and strong like their father.
正如里克在他的书中所说，“如果莎士比亚讲这个故事，他会从森林深处、狼穴深处开始故事。”三只小狗从巢穴里跑出来，都像它们的父亲一样健壮。
And then a fourth pup tumbles out after them, like an afterthought, a scrawny gray pup, the pup who seemed least likely to amount to anything.
然后第四只小狗在他们身后滚了出来，就像事后的想法一样，一只骨瘦如柴的灰色小狗，这只小狗似乎最不可能有什么作为。
He was the runt of his litter.
他是同窝中的小个子。
His three brothers were all bigger and stronger than him.
他的三个兄弟都比他高大、强壮。
And he looked different from everyone else in his family.
而且他看起来与家里其他人都不一样。
He had a very dull, drab gray coat.
他穿着一件非常暗淡、单调的灰色外套。
His mother had a beautiful whitish coat.
他的母亲有一件漂亮的白色外套。
His father was jet black.
他的父亲肤色黝黑。
And all of his brothers looked exactly like the father wolf.
而且他的兄弟们都长得和狼爸爸一模一样。
They also had black coats.
他们还穿着黑色外套。
So he really stood out, but stood out in a really bad way.
所以他确实很引人注目，但以一种非常糟糕的方式脱颖而出。
His brothers constantly picked on him.
他的兄弟们经常欺负他。
He ate last.
他最后吃的。
They would chase him around the pen.
他们会围着围栏追赶他。
They would pin him and beat him up.
他们会钉住他并殴打他。
And it was really a tough time for him.
这对他来说确实是一段艰难的时期。
They named the pup Wolf 8 because the collars they gave the wolves, each one had a number.
他们给这只小狗取名为Wolf 8，因为他们给狼的项圈上，每只都有一个数字。
And his was number eight, so that became his name.
他的号码是第八，所以这就是他的名字。
These pups were all new to the park.
这些小狗都是公园里的新人。
Rick was kind of new to his job, too.
里克对他的工作也有点陌生。
This was the first time he'd ever gotten to watch wolves so closely.
这是他第一次这么近距离地观察狼。
And Rick felt for 8 immediately, started calling him the little guy, worried about him.
瑞克立刻就想到了8，开始叫他小家伙，很担心他。
But then one day, he was watching 8 out playing with his brothers.
但有一天，他正在看 8 和他的兄弟们一起出去玩。
And they were just fooling around, chasing each other.
他们只是打闹，互相追逐。
And suddenly, they stopped, and they steered into a pretty thick forest.
突然，他们停了下来，驶进了一片茂密的森林。
And then they suddenly just ran at full speed into those trees.
然后他们突然全速冲向那些树林。
Rick lost sight of them in the trees for a while.
瑞克有一段时间在树林里看不见他们了。
Then they came darting back out, the three bigger pups in the lead.
然后它们又冲了回来，三只较大的小狗带头。
And then last in line, as usual because he was the slowest, was 8.
然后像往常一样，排在最后的是 8 号，因为他是最慢的。
One of the big pups was carrying a dead elk calf.
其中一只大幼崽抱着一头死去的小麋鹿。
At first, Rick was impressed that such young pups had taken down an elk.
起初，瑞克对如此年轻的幼崽能击倒一头麋鹿感到印象深刻。
But it turned out that they had not killed that elk.
但事实证明，他们并没有杀死那头麋鹿。
Because just behind 8, as he ran out of the trees, was a huge grizzly bear.
因为当他跑出树林时，8号身后是一只巨大的灰熊。
And it was really the bear's elk calf.
这确实是熊的麋鹿小牛。
The bear was gaining on little 8.
熊正在追赶小8。
He was getting closer and closer.
他越来越近了。
8 was looking back over his shoulder.
8回头看去。
And it looked like at any moment, the bear would pounce on 8.
看起来熊随时都会扑向8号。
8 was maybe 60, 70 pounds at that time.
8当时大概是60、70磅。
The bear was maybe 400 pounds.
这只熊大约重 400 磅。
But then little 8 just stopped, turned around, and confronted that huge grizzly.
但随后小8就停了下来，转过身来，面对着那只巨大的灰熊。
And somehow, it worked.
不知怎的，它奏效了。
The bear stopped.
熊停了下来。
It looked at this little thing that was standing up to him like he didn't understand.
它看着这个站在他面前的小东西，一副他不明白的样子。
And as the bear was confused, he had lost sight of 8's brother who had the elk calf.
由于熊很困惑，他已经看不见8的兄弟了，他的弟弟养着麋鹿小牛。
So now the bear literally didn't know what to do.
所以现在这只熊真的不知道该怎么办。
So it basically just shrugged his shoulders, turned around, and walked off the other way.
所以它基本上只是耸了耸肩，转身，朝另一条路走去。
But that made me realize that there was really a lot more to this wolf than any of us had ever realized.
但这让我意识到，这只狼确实比我们任何人都意识到的要多得多。
His bigger, beautiful brothers didn't see this act of heroism.
他那些又大又漂亮的兄弟们并没有看到这种英雄主义行为。
No one shared the elk with him.
没有人与他分享这头麋鹿。
And they kept picking on him.
他们一直欺负他。
As the months passed, 8 started spending more and more time alone to get away from them, just kind of wandering the forest, like a high schooler might do to get away from their family.
几个月过去了，8 开始花越来越多的时间独处以远离他们，就像一个高中生为了远离家人而在森林里漫步一样。
And again, Rick felt for him, small like that, out there all by himself, with a family that didn't get him.
瑞克再一次为他感到难过，他是如此渺小，独自一人在外，而他的家人却无法理解他。
Then one day, wolf 8 was out wandering alone as usual, when he ran into these wolf pups.
有一天，狼八像往常一样独自外出闲逛，遇到了这些狼崽。
Their mother was in a rough spot.
他们的母亲处境艰难。
She'd had a litter of eight pups, and she was all on her own.
她生了一窝八只小狗，但她只能靠自己。
Because the same day she gave birth to her pups, her mate was illegally shot and killed.
因为就在她生下小狗的同一天，她的伴侣被非法枪杀。
And the thing is, it's really hard to raise wolf pups alone.
事实是，独自抚养狼崽确实很困难。
In order to produce milk to feed them, she needed to hunt and eat.
为了生产牛奶来喂养它们，她需要狩猎和进食。
But that would mean leaving them alone.
但这意味着让他们独自一人。
And newborn pups can't regulate their body temperature on their own.
而且刚出生的幼崽无法自行调节体温。
So starve or freeze-- she and her pups were screwed.
所以要么挨饿，要么冻死——她和她的小狗们都完蛋了。
The Wolf Project staff was so worried, they even captured the family for a bit so they could feed them.
狼计划的工作人员非常担心，甚至把这家人抓了一会儿，以便给他们喂食。
But then wolf 8 came along, the little guy, just a yearling, just out by himself.
但后来“狼8”出现了，这个小家伙，才一岁，刚刚独自出去。
He saw these pups, and he started playing with them.
他看到了这些小狗，并开始和它们玩耍。
And the mother wolf was watching that from a distance, and she was desperate.
母狼在远处看着这一幕，她感到绝望。
She needed whatever help she could get.
她需要一切能得到的帮助。
And he'd already made friends with all of her sons and daughters.
他已经和她所有的儿子和女儿成了朋友。
So a moment later, she ran to him.
于是过了一会儿，她就跑到了他的身边。
They greeted each other.
他们互相打招呼。
They played a bit.
他们玩了一会儿。
8 liked this family.
8 喜欢这个家庭。
Over the next days, he started hunting for them, bringing them back little snacks.
接下来的几天，他开始寻找它们，给它们带回小零食。
A little tangent I learned from the books-- a wolf often feeds pups by regurgitating the meat it's hunted.
我从书中学到的一点离题——狼经常通过反刍猎物的肉来喂养幼崽。
A wolf can carry up to 20 pounds of meat in its belly, which is easier than carrying that much in its jaws over a long distance.
狼的腹部最多可以携带 20 磅的肉，这比用嘴叼着这么多肉长途跋涉要容易得多。
Once back at the den, the pups then trigger regurgitation by licking its face.
一旦回到巢穴，幼崽就会通过舔它的脸来引发反流。
That's why your dog licks your face.
这就是为什么你的狗会舔你的脸。
It's trying to get you to puke.
它试图让你呕吐。
Gross, right?
很恶心，对吧？
So wolf 8's going out, hunting and bringing back these little snacks, as I said, all for these little pups.
所以狼八号出去狩猎并带回这些小零食，就像我说的，都是为了这些小狗。
That was the first time they'd ever documented something like that-- a male wolf caring for another pack's pups, who he wasn't related to.
这是他们第一次记录到类似的事情——一只雄性狼照顾另一群狼的幼崽，而他与狼群没有亲戚关系。
And he was invited into the family, meaning now he went from being a picked on, bullied, undersized wolf, to being a big shot alpha male.
他被邀请加入这个家庭，这意味着他现在从一只被欺负、被欺负的小狼，变成了一只大头狼。
Perhaps her first impression of seeing this undersized yearling wasn't that he was the best candidate, but he had shown up.
也许她看到这只身材矮小的一岁鸽的第一印象并不是他是最好的候选人，但他已经出现了。
He was there.
他就在那儿。
He adopted those pups like they were his own.
他收养了这些小狗，就像它们是他自己的一样。
This is one of the things they were seeing while monitoring wolves, by the way.
顺便说一句，这是他们在监视狼时看到的事情之一。
Wolves, like lots of creatures, they have really distinct personalities.
狼，像许多生物一样，它们有非常独特的个性。
And now they could see.
现在他们可以看到了。
Some wolves are aggressive.
有些狼具有攻击性。
Some are aloof.
有些人很冷漠。
And 8 seemed really-- I know how this sounds-- he seemed really nice.
8 看起来真的——我知道这听起来怎么样——他看起来真的很好。
So that's the dad, which brings us to the second wolf in this story, the son, one of 8's adopted pups, known as 21.
这就是父亲，这给我们带来了这个故事中的第二只狼，他的儿子，8 收养的小狗之一，被称为 21。
When 8 came along and started feeding the family, he and 21 really bonded, father and adopted son.
当 8 出生并开始养家糊口时，他和 21 真正建立了亲密的关系，既是父亲又是养子。
Part of it was that 8 was young for a father, just a year older than the pups, so still puppy-like in lots of ways.
部分原因是8岁对于父亲来说还很年轻，只比小狗大一岁，所以在很多方面仍然像小狗一样。
8 would do things like let all the pups attack him, roll on his back and pretend to lose to them.
8会做一些事情，比如让所有的小狗攻击他，在他的背上打滚，假装输给他们。
Or they might chase him around, and 8 would pretend to be scared and run away.
或者他们可能会追着他，8会假装害怕然后逃跑。
Not all father wolves play with their pups like this.
并不是所有的狼爸爸都这样和它们的幼崽玩耍。
Some are standoffish or dominant.
有些人冷漠或占主导地位。
But 21 seemed particularly connected to 8.
但 21 似乎与 8 特别相关。
As the years went on, the other pups in the litter wandered off, joined other packs.
随着时间的流逝，同一窝中的其他幼崽也开始走散，加入了其他狼群。
It was just what wolves do.
这正是狼所做的事。
21, though, stayed first one year, and then another.
不过，21号先是呆了一年，然后又呆了一年。
There was one spring that their den was especially visible.
有一个春天，它们的巢穴特别明显。
And Rick's spotting scope had a clear view of them.
瑞克的望远镜可以清楚地看到他们。
So that whole season, Rick was able to watch them every day for hours on end as they chased and played.
所以整个赛季，里克每天都能连续几个小时看着他们追逐和玩耍。
And that's where I really began to understand the depth of the relationship between 8 and 21.
从那时起，我才真正开始理解8和21之间关系的深度。
It was the peak of my wolf watching career to be able to watch that.
能够看到这一幕是我看狼生涯的巅峰。
They were a funny couple because 8 was so small, and 21, his son, grew huge, became significantly larger than his dad.
他们是一对有趣的夫妇，因为8岁很小，而21岁的儿子却长得很大，比他爸爸大得多。
Rick describes 21 as an almost cartoon version of a wolf.
里克将《21》描述为几乎卡通版的狼。
If you wanted to draw a wolf as a Marvel superhero, it'd look like 21.
如果你想画一只狼作为漫威超级英雄，它看起来就像21。
They'd go hunting together.
他们会一起去打猎。
8 would decide when to go.
8 决定什么时候去。
And if 21 wasn't around, 8 would howl and wait.
如果21不在身边，8就会嚎叫并等待。
And then they'd head out together.
然后他们就一起出发。
When they found the prey, 21, so muscly and fast, would usually get there first and grab hold.
当他们发现猎物时，21岁的肌肉发达、速度很快，通常会先到那里并抓住猎物。
Together, they'd take it down.
他们一起把它拿下来。
So they would go off and hunt.
所以他们会出去打猎。
They would come back with food.
他们会带着食物回来。
They were just inseparable.
他们简直形影不离。
They were buddies.
他们是朋友。
They did everything together, with 8 being the older guy, the one in charge, 21 essentially being the apprentice.
他们一起做所有事情，其中 8 个人是年长者，负责负责，21 个人基本上是学徒。
Another season passed, and still, 21 stayed in the pack.
又一个赛季过去了，但仍然有 21 人留在了队伍中。
He was nearly three at this point, which, honestly, is like too long for a grown-ass wolf to be living with his parents.
此时他已经快三岁了，老实说，对于一只成年狼来说，和父母住在一起太长了。
It'd be like a 24-year-old with no friends, except for his mom and dad.
这就像一个24岁的人，除了他的妈妈和爸爸之外没有朋友。
Eventually, 21 did leave.
最终，21人确实离开了。
And here's where things get complicated.
这就是事情变得复杂的地方。
He went to the pack right next door, what Rick and his team had been calling the Druid Peak pack, a pack that their family did not get along with.
他去了隔壁的狼群，里克和他的团队称之为德鲁伊峰狼群，他们的家人与他们相处不好。
They'd battled in the past.
他们过去曾战斗过。
There was still a lot of tension.
气氛仍然很紧张。
The Druid Peak pack was led by a female who was notoriously violent.
德鲁伊峰族群的领导者是一位以暴力着称的女性。
And seriously, she was wild.
说真的，她很狂野。
She drove her own mother and sister out of the pack.
她把自己的母亲和妹妹赶出了人群。
Rick's pretty sure she killed entire litters of her sister's pups two years in a row.
瑞克非常确定她连续两年杀死了她姐姐的整窝幼崽。
To this day, Rick calls her "the psychopath." And she was the leader.
直到今天，瑞克仍称她为“精神病患者”。她是领导者。
The whole alpha male running the pack thing, by the way, one male beating all the others into submission, that's a myth.
顺便说一句，整个雄性领袖管理着群体，一只雄性打败了所有其他雄性，让其他雄性屈服，这是一个神话。
A pack is usually just a family of wolves, and the lead male is just the father.
一个狼群通常就是一个狼家庭，而领头的雄狼就是狼的父亲。
The one calling the shots is actually a female.
真正发号施令的是一名女性。
She's in charge of strategy and decisions.
她负责战略和决策。
And this female was terrifying.
而这个女子，实在是太可怕了。
One year after 21 joined her pack, 21's sister wandered into the pack's territory.
21 加入狼群一年后，21 的妹妹闯入了狼群的领地。
The psychopath just went off on her.
那个精神病患者刚刚对她发脾气了。
Someone from the Wolf Project was in a plane, saw it all happen.
来自狼计划的人在飞机上，目睹了这一切的发生。
The researcher in the plane took photographs of what was happening.
飞机上的研究人员拍下了当时发生的事情。
And I later looked at every one of those photographs.
后来我看了每一张照片。
It was not a pretty sight.
这景象并不美好。
There was snow on the ground.
地上有雪。
And as the photos were taken, you could see more and more blood on the snow as she was biting at the helpless opponent.
随着照片的拍摄，你可以看到雪地上越来越多的血迹，她正咬着无助的对手。
21 was there.
21 在那里。
But he was in her pack, and she was the leader.
但他在她的队伍中，而她是领导者。
He didn't intervene.
他没有干预。
As the years went by, he got bigger, and their pack thrived.
随着时间的流逝，他的体型越来越大，他们的族群也越来越繁盛。
He became the lead male of the pack, and he had pups of his own.
他成为了狼群中的领头雄性，并且有了自己的幼崽。
His true love seemed to be wolf 42, a real sweetheart, Rick says.
里克说，他的真爱似乎是狼 42，一个真正的甜心。
They'd bed down together all the time.
他们总是睡在一起。
And his pack grew huge, too.
他的背包也变得越来越大。
Someone shot a documentary.
有人拍了一部纪录片。
A lot of the footage focused on 21, and 21 actually got famous for being this amazing, majestic wolf.
很多镜头都集中在21身上，而21实际上因为这只令人惊叹、雄伟的狼而闻名。
People would travel to Yellowstone to see him.
人们会前往黄石公园看他。
No one really came to see his dad.
没有人真正来看望他的父亲。
One winter, the tension started to escalate between 21's pack, the Druid Peak pack, and his father wolf 8's pack.
一个冬天，21 狼群、德鲁伊峰狼群和他的父亲狼 8 狼群之间的紧张关系开始升级。
Rick would be at home and hear the packs howling at each other from across the valley.
瑞克在家时会听到山谷对面的狼群互相嚎叫。
He could tell from their radio collars that they were encroaching on each other's territory.
他可以从他们的无线电项圈看出他们正在侵犯对方的领地。
Neither side seemed to be backing down.
双方似乎都没有退缩。
The main way wolves in the park die is in fights with other wolves.
公园里狼的主要死亡方式是与其他狼的战斗。
Rick had seen wolf fights.
瑞克见过狼打架。
They could be brutal.
他们可能很残酷。
And if a clash came, 21 and his father, 8, would be pitted against each other.
如果发生冲突，21 岁的他和他 8 岁的父亲就会互相对抗。
21's job was to protect his pack, and 8's job was to protect his.
21的工作是保护他的狼群，8的工作是保护他的狼群。
I was very worried about 8.
我很担心8。
He was now very old.
他现在已经很老了。
He had a lot of health problems.
他有很多健康问题。
He was losing his strength and his speed.
他正在失去力量和速度。
21 was middle-aged at that point.
那时21岁，已经是中年了。
He was at the peak of his strength and fighting ability.
他的实力和战斗力都处于巅峰状态。
He had never lost a fight in his life.
他一生中从未输过一场战斗。
He was the undefeated heavyweight champion of Yellowstone.
他是黄石公园不败的重量级冠军。
Then there was the lead female, the vicious one.
然后是女主角，恶毒的。
8 would be up against her, too.
8号也会和她对抗。
I was in Lamar Valley.
我当时在拉马尔谷。
I was getting signals from both the Druid Peak pack to the east.
我收到了来自东部德鲁伊峰群的信号。
I get the signal from 8's family to the west.
我收到了西边8家的信号。
Both of those packs were traveling toward each other.
这两群狼群正朝对方行进。
It looked like they were both traveling on the same ridge, Specimen Ridge, on the south side of Lamar Valley.
看起来他们都在拉马尔山谷南侧的同一条山脊——标本山脊上行驶。
They were moving toward each other, meaning that there was going to be a fight.
他们正在互相靠近，这意味着即将发生一场战斗。
One side howled.
一侧嚎叫起来。
The other side howled.
另一边嚎叫起来。
It was January.
那是一月份。
There was snow out.
外面下雪了。
Rick pulled over in his truck, got his spotting scope on the wolves.
瑞克把卡车停在路边，用望远镜瞄准狼群。
8's pack was up on the ridge.
8号的背包在山脊上。
21's pack was running uphill through forests and meadows.
21 的狼群正在上山，穿过森林和草地。
21 was out in front of his pack.
21号出现在他的队伍前面。
8 was in front of his.
8就在他的面前。
Both packs were charging at each other.
两个电池组都在互相充电。
So here I was watching the two wolves that I admired the most in the world, father and adopted son running at each other.
于是我就在这里看着世界上我最敬佩的两只狼——父亲和养子——互相奔跑。
They started to come together.
他们开始走到一起。
They were charging each other.
他们互相充电。
8, he wasn't running as fast, but he was still out in front of his family.
8、他跑得没那么快了，但他仍然在家人面前。
And nothing was going to stop him.
没有什么能阻止他。
I mean, even now, thinking about it, I'm in great distress because I remember how I felt then.
我的意思是，即使现在回想起来，我仍然感到非常痛苦，因为我记得当时的感受。
I did not want to see 8 killed.
我不想看到8人被杀。
I did not want to see him torn apart.
我不想看到他被撕裂。
Of all the deaths that could befall 8, in my mind, this would be the very worst.
在我看来，在所有可能发生的 8 人死亡事件中，这将是最严重的一次。
This would be such a horrible ending to their story.
这对他们的故事来说将是一个可怕的结局。
Rick starts ticking through possibilities, trying to figure out if there was some way out.
瑞克开始盘算各种可能性，试图找出是否有解决办法。
21 could just pin 8 down and let him go.
21可以直接压制8并让他走。
But no, that wouldn't work.
但不，那是行不通的。
The psychopath was right behind 21.
精神病患者紧随21之后。
She'd surely jump in and kill 8.
她肯定会跳进去杀死八个人。
No question.
毫无疑问。
And I was just helpless that there was nothing that I could do as a researcher other than just watch and document what was about to happen in front of me.
我很无助，因为作为一名研究人员，我除了观察和记录即将发生的事情之外无能为力。
They got to within 40 yards, 30 yards, 20 yards, 10 yards.
他们到达了 40 码、30 码、20 码、10 码之内。
And I knew, just in a moment, it was all going to be over.
我知道，就在那一刻，一切都会结束。
So there I am, standing there, looking through my spotting scope.
所以我就在那里，站在那里，通过我的望远镜观察。
The moment arrives.
这一刻到来了。
They're just a couple of feet apart from each other.
他们彼此之间只有几英尺的距离。
Well, in that moment, 21 did something-- ran right past 8 without stopping.
嗯，就在那一刻，21做了什么——马不停蹄地跑过8。
Just in the very slightest way, 21 angles away and just shoots past 8.
就在最轻微的情况下，21 度的角度，刚刚超过 8 度。
It was the strangest thing, two sides heading into battle and then running right past each other.
最奇怪的是，两方交锋，然后又从对方身边跑过。
21's pack kept following 21 because he's leading the charge.
21 的狼群一直追随 21，因为他处于领先地位。
So when he sprinted past, they just kept following him.
所以当他冲过去的时候，他们只是一直跟着他。
All the other Druid wolves ran past 8 and all the other wolves.
所有其他的德鲁伊狼都跑过了8和所有其他的狼。
And 8 didn't have the ability to turn around.
而且8没有转身的能力。
He just kept on going as well.
他也继续前进。
Wolves from both packs, they were just running back and forth.
两群狼都只是来回奔跑。
They were howling at each other.
他们互相嚎叫。
It was a confusing situation.
这是一个令人困惑的情况。
No wolves were harmed.
没有狼受到伤害。
No wolves were fighting.
没有狼在打架。
And that was the end of the fight that never was.
这就是这场从未结束过的战斗的结束。
This happened 23 years ago.
这件事发生在23年前。
But Rick still thinks about it all the time, wondering what happened that day.
但瑞克仍然一直在想这件事，想知道那天发生了什么。
Rick's convinced that what 21 did that day was intentional.
里克确信 21 那天所做的事情是故意的。
He thinks that 21 changed the battle into a game of chase, knowing that the other wolves would keep following him, and also, that he could outrun them all.
他认为21把战斗变成了一场追逐游戏，因为他知道其他狼会继续追赶他，而且他也能跑赢他们。
21 had just come up with this genius solution to save the wolf that had raised him.
21刚刚想出了这个天才的解决方案来拯救抚养他长大的狼。
It was probably the most emotional moment of my life.
这可能是我一生中最激动人心的时刻。
It was the most emotional moment of your life?
这是你一生中最激动人心的时刻吗？
Yes.
是的。
By that time, I had known 21 and 8 for so many years.
那时我已经认识21和8这么多年了。
And I respected and admired them for so much.
我非常尊重和钦佩他们。
I was rooting for 8 to somehow survive.
我支持8以某种方式生存。
But the reality was, I didn't see any way that that could be the end of the story.
但现实是，我不认为这可能是故事的结局。
And somehow, 21 figured it out.
不知何故，21 明白了这一点。
He saved the day.
他拯救了世界。
Rick had been watching 8 and 21 day after day for years, their whole lives.
多年来，瑞克一生都在日复一日地观看《8》和《21》。
And 8 was such a nice wolf.
8真是一只好狼。
I know how that sounds, but I really can't think of a better word for it.
我知道这听起来如何，但我真的想不出更好的词来形容它。
You'd think that in a world as brutal as theirs, niceness could get you killed.
你可能会认为，在像他们这样残酷的世界里，善良可能会让你丧命。
But in the end, it was the thing that saved him.
但最终，还是这个东西救了他。
After all, 21 learned how to be a wolf from 8.
毕竟，21岁是从8岁开始学会如何做狼的。
It's like a dad who just poured out all this love, and the son inherited it.
就像父亲刚刚倾注了所有的爱，儿子却继承了它。
Lilly Sullivan is a producer on our show.
莉莉·沙利文是我们节目的制片人。
Rick McIntyre told the story of 8 and 21 in his book, The Rise of Wolf 8.
瑞克·麦金泰尔在他的书《狼的崛起8》中讲述了8和21的故事。
Rick says wolf 8 died a few months after the fight that never was.
里克说，狼8在这场从未发生过的战斗后几个月就死了。
From what it looked like, he died taking care of his pack.
从表面上看，他是在照顾他的背包时死去的。
An elk kicked him in the head while he was out hunting for them.
当他外出狩猎时，一头麋鹿踢了他的头。
Act Three, "Storycorp, The Post-Apocalypse Edition." We close out our show today with Simon Rich, who has this story about a dad who is also a grandfather and a great grandfather, who has some very strong ideas about what he wants family members who come after him to know about him and his life.
第三幕，“Storycorp，后启示录版”。我们今天由西蒙·里奇（Simon Rich）结束我们的节目，他讲了一个关于一位父亲的故事，他同时也是祖父和曾祖父，他有一些非常强烈的想法，他希望在他之后的家人了解他和他的生活。
I interviewed my great-grandfather Simon because he is the oldest person in my family who is still alive.
我采访了我的曾祖父西蒙，因为他是我们家里在世的最年长的人。
He was born in a country called America on Earth.
他出生在一个叫做地球上的美国的国家。
He said he used to be a writer.
他说他曾经是一名作家。
I asked him if he wrote Spider-Man, and he said no. He wrote other things that have all been lost.
我问他是否写过《蜘蛛侠》，他说没有。他还写过其他一些东西，但这些东西都已经失传了。
My great-grandfather was one of the only men to escape from Earth.
我的曾祖父是唯一逃离地球的人之一。
The rest of the people who got seats on the escape pod were women and children.
逃生舱上的其余座位是妇女和儿童。
My great-grandfather says they let him on because they needed one man to row the spaceship.
我的曾祖父说他们让他上来是因为他们需要一个人来划宇宙飞船。
I'm not sure what he means because there are no oars on a spaceship, but that is what he said.
我不确定他的意思，因为宇宙飞船上没有桨，但他就是这么说的。
My great-grandfather told me how scary it was when Earth became too hot to live on.
我的曾祖父告诉我，当地球变得太热而无法生存时，这是多么可怕。
The skies burned with fire day and night, and you couldn't walk across the street without collapsing.
天空日夜燃烧着火焰，你走过马路就会崩溃。
I asked him if he had any kind of warning about climate change, and he said yes.
我问他是否对气候变化有任何警告，他说有。
There had been articles, movies, and books about how it was going to happen.
有文章、电影和书籍讲述了这一切将如何发生。
I asked him if he tried to stop it from happening, and he said, yes, of course.
我问他是否试图阻止这件事发生，他说，是的，当然。
I asked him how, and he said that he had done something called recycling, which is where you throw your garbage into different colored boxes.
我问他是怎么做的，他说他做了一种叫做回收的东西，就是把垃圾扔进不同颜色的盒子里。
I asked my mom what he was talking about.
我问妈妈他在说什么。
And she explained that when people become as old as my great-grandfather, their brains start to break down.
她解释说，当人们像我的曾祖父一样老时，他们的大脑就会开始崩溃。
And it's almost like they turn back into babies.
就好像他们变回了婴儿一样。
Since my great-grandfather is going to die soon, and he is one of the only survivors of Earth, I decided to ask him what his favorite memory of the planet was.
由于我的曾祖父即将去世，而他是地球上唯一的幸存者之一，我决定问他对这个星球最喜欢的记忆是什么。
I thought he might tell me about the end of World War IV or going to see Spider-Man, but instead, he told me about the first date he went on with his wife, my great-grandmother Kathleen.
我以为他可能会告诉我有关第四次世界大战结束或去看蜘蛛侠的事情，但相反，他告诉我他与他的妻子，我的曾祖母凯瑟琳的第一次约会。
They met in college, which is a place people used to go to after high school to drink alcohol.
他们是在大学认识的，那是人们高中毕业后经常去喝酒的地方。
My great-grandfather said that when he was in college, online dating hadn't been invented yet.
我的曾祖父说，他上大学的时候，网上约会还没有发明。
Instead of matching with someone through a dating app and sending a series of nude photos to each other before eventually meeting up for sex, you would meet them in person before doing anything else.
您不必通过约会应用程序与某人进行匹配，并在最终发生性关系之前向对方发送一系列裸照，而是可以在做其他事情之前亲自与他们见面。
This meant that when my great-grandparents went out for the first time, they had no idea what each other looked like naked.
这意味着当我的曾祖父母第一次外出时，他们不知道彼此赤身裸体是什么样子。
At this point, my mother, who is recording our interview, told my great-grandfather that he was being inappropriate because this was a project for school.
此时，正在录制我们采访的母亲告诉我的曾祖父，他这样做是不合适的，因为这是学校的一个项目。
And he apologized, but said that the naked stuff was crucial to the story and that he was going to keep bringing it up whenever it was relevant.
他道歉了，但表示裸体的东西对这个故事至关重要，只要相关，他就会继续提起它。
My great-grandfather explained that not only had they not seen each other naked, he wasn't sure if my great grandmother wanted that to happen.
我的曾祖父解释说，他们不仅没有见过对方裸体，而且他不确定我的曾祖母是否希望这种情况发生。
Sometimes, in those days, when someone agreed to go out on a date with you, they were still undecided about the naked thing and wanted to learn more personal information about you before making up their mind.
有时候，在那些日子里，当有人同意和你出去约会时，他们对裸体的事情还拿不定主意，想了解更多关于你的个人信息，然后再做决定。
Since this was before social media, the only way to get this personal information was by asking people questions to their face, like, as if their actual living, breathing face was their social media profile.
由于这是在社交媒体出现之前，获取这些个人信息的唯一方法是当面询问人们问题，就像他们真实的、会呼吸的脸就是他们的社交媒体个人资料一样。
Sometimes this would get embarrassing.
有时这会变得很尴尬。
Like, you might say, what do your parents do, and they would say, my parents are dead.
就像，你可能会说，你的父母是做什么的，他们会说，我的父母死了。
And then you would have to say something like, I'm sorry I didn't know that because I have no information about you.
然后你必须说，很抱歉我不知道，因为我没有关于你的信息。
We're strangers.
我们是陌生人。
The point, my great-grandfather said, is that he had no idea what my great-grandmother thought about him.
我的曾祖父说，关键是他不知道我的曾祖母对他的看法。
He had no idea what she thought about anything.
他不知道她在想什么。
He had zero information about her, other than what she looked like wearing clothes and also how it sounded when she laughed, which she had done a couple of times on their long, slow walk through campus with the cool fall breeze whipping through the scattered leaves.
他对她的了解为零，除了她穿着衣服的样子，以及她笑起来的声音，她在校园里漫长而缓慢的散步中曾做过几次，凉爽的秋风吹过散落的树叶。
My great-grandfather said that all dates began with the same custom.
我的曾祖父说所有的约会都是以同样的习俗开始的。
The two people on the date would take turns verbally listing all the TV shows they liked.
约会的两个人会轮流口头列出他们喜欢的所有电视节目。
If they both liked the same show, they'd exchange memes from it.
如果他们都喜欢同一部节目，他们就会交换其中的表情包。
But here's the thing-- GIFs did not exist yet.
但事情是这样的——GIF 还不存在。
So instead of texting the other person a funny moment from the show, you would say out loud, do you remember the part when?
因此，你不会给对方发短信讲述节目中的有趣时刻，而是大声说，你还记得那部分吗？
And then you would perform the meme yourself, using your face and body to imitate what an actor had said and done.
然后你自己表演模因，用你的脸和身体模仿演员的所说和所做。
Exchanging memes in person was much scarier than doing it by text.
面对面交换模因比通过短信交换要可怕得多。
Because when you text someone a meme and they don't respond, you can tell yourself that maybe they liked it, but just didn't have time to text you back.
因为当你给某人发一条表情包而他们没有回复时，你可以告诉自己，也许他们喜欢它，但只是没有时间回复你。
But when you performed a meme with your body and the other person didn't like it, you would be able to tell.
但当你用自己的身体表演模因而对方不喜欢它时，你就能看出来。
Because instead of laughing, they would just kind of sadly look away and say, yeah, I remember that part.
因为他们不会笑，而是悲伤地移开视线，说，是的，我记得那部分。
And you would have to just keep on walking to the restaurant.
你必须继续步行到餐厅。
Luckily, though, my great-grandfather's meme performances went over well, or at least well enough to keep the conversation going.
不过幸运的是，我曾祖父的表情包表演很顺利，或者至少足以让谈话继续下去。
And while he still had no idea whether they would ever see each other naked, he knew it was at least technically still possible.
虽然他仍然不知道他们是否会看到对方裸体，但他知道这至少在技术上仍然是可能的。
My great-grandfather had invited my great-grandmother to a Spanish restaurant because it was the only restaurant he knew that served wine to people under 21.
我的曾祖父邀请我的曾祖母去一家西班牙餐厅，因为这是他所知道的唯一一家向 21 岁以下的人提供葡萄酒的餐厅。
But when they arrived, it was too crowded to get a table.
但当他们到达时，人太多了，找不到座位。
They needed to find some other place to eat, but neither of them had internet access.
他们需要找其他地方吃饭，但他们都没有互联网接入。
So their only option was to physically search for food by walking around and looking in random directions, like truly the same process used by animals.
因此，他们唯一的选择就是通过四处走动并随机观察方向来寻找食物，就像动物使用的过程一样。
Things grew tense.
事情变得紧张起来。
The sun had set, and my great-grandfather was fearful that they would not be able to find alcohol.
太阳已经落山了，我的曾祖父担心他们找不到酒。
But after a few stressful minutes, they followed the scent of fried food around a corner and found a Chinese place that served beer.
但在紧张的几分钟后，他们循着拐角处油炸食品的香味，找到了一家供应啤酒的中国餐馆。
And they were so proud of themselves that they spontaneously high fived, and that was the first time that they touched.
他们为自己感到非常自豪，自发地击掌，这是他们第一次触摸。
My great-grandfather told me they stayed at the restaurant so long that, by the end, they were the only customers left.
我的曾祖父告诉我，他们在餐厅待了很长时间，到最后，他们是唯一剩下的顾客了。
Because they were strangers, they asked each other very basic questions, like who are you?
因为是陌生人，他们互相问了一些非常基本的问题，比如你是谁？
Where did you come from?
你从哪里来？
What kind of a person are you?
你是一个什么样的人？
They ended up having a lot of things in common, which was exciting because that didn't usually happen on a first date.
他们最终有了很多共同点，这很令人兴奋，因为这种情况通常不会发生在第一次约会时。
Often, the other person would dislike things you liked or love things that you hated.
通常，对方会不喜欢你喜欢的东西，或者喜欢你讨厌的东西。
Or things would seem to be going pretty well, and the person would seem really nice, but then out of the blue, they would say, what is your relationship with Jesus Christ.
或者事情看起来进展得很顺利，那个人看起来也很好，但突然间，他们会说，你和耶稣基督的关系如何。
My great-grandfather said the main thing he talked to my great grandmother about was how nervous they both were about the future.
我的曾祖父说，他和我的曾祖母谈论的主要事情是他们俩对未来有多么紧张。
I asked if he meant climate change.
我问他是否指的是气候变化。
And he admitted that the imminent climate holocaust hadn't come up much.
他承认，迫在眉睫的气候灾难并没有引起太多关注。
And instead, they'd mostly talked about their careers.
相反，他们主要谈论的是他们的职业生涯。
It turned out they both had the same dream-- to write stories down onto pieces of paper.
原来他们都有同一个梦想——把故事写在纸上。
In fact, they were both already trying to do that.
事实上，他们都已经在尝试这样做了。
Every day, they would each type out stories on computers and then print them with ink onto pieces of white paper.
每天，他们都会在电脑上把故事打出来，然后用墨水打印在白纸上。
Their goal was to get better at making these paper stories in the hopes that someday they might be able to persuade someone to reprint their paper stories onto multiple pieces of paper, and then sell those pieces of paper for pieces of money, which were also made of paper.
他们的目标是更好地制作这些纸质故事，希望有一天他们能够说服某人将他们的纸质故事重印在多张纸上，然后将这些纸片卖掉换取钱，这些钱也是纸做的。
At this point, my mother whispered to me that it was time for my great-grandfather to take a nap, and she gave him some medicine which made him sleep for about four hours.
这时，妈妈小声对我说，曾祖父该睡午觉了，并给了他一些药，让他睡了大约四个小时。
When he woke up, though, he was still insisting all this paper stuff was real, and that it was their actual shared ambition to write stories down on paper and then sell the paper for more paper.
然而，当他醒来时，他仍然坚称所有这些纸上的东西都是真实的，他们真正的共同目标是把故事写在纸上，然后卖掉纸换取更多纸。
And my mother smiled, and rubbed his hand, and said she believed him.
我母亲微笑着，揉了揉他的手，说她相信他。
But while she was doing that, she buzzed for the doctor.
但当她这样做的时候，她按铃叫医生。
And he brought in this huge syringe that was almost like a gun because it was made out of metal, and it had this trigger on the bottom.
他带来了这个巨大的注射器，它几乎像一把枪，因为它是由金属制成的，底部有一个扳机。
And the doctor explained that he was going to shoot this thing into my great-grandfather's brain to make him less confused.
医生解释说他要把这个东西射进我曾祖父的大脑里，让他不那么困惑。
And my great-grandfather laughed weirdly and said that he had been joking about all that paper stuff, and that really what he and his wife had talked about on their first date was climate change.
我的曾祖父奇怪地笑了，说他一直在拿那些纸上的东西开玩笑，而他和他的妻子第一次约会时真正谈论的是气候变化。
Because that's what any sane person from that era would have prioritized-- being a climate warrior.
因为那是那个时代任何理智的人都会优先考虑的事情——成为一名气候战士。
And the doctor looked into my great-grandfather's eyes with his finger on the trigger and said, are you sure?
医生用手指放在扳机上看着我曾祖父的眼睛，说，你确定吗？
And my great-grandfather swallowed and said, yep.
我的曾祖父咽了口口水说，是的。
And so the doctor left.
于是医生就离开了。
But on his way out, he told my mom that he would stay nearby in case my great-grandfather got confused again, in which case he would come back and give him that gunshot right in the middle of his brain.
但在出去的路上，他告诉我妈妈，他会留在附近，以防我的曾祖父再次感到困惑，在这种情况下，他会回来并在他的大脑中央开枪。
My great-grandfather was quiet for a while, almost like he was afraid to keep going with his story.
我的曾祖父沉默了一会儿，几乎就像他害怕继续讲他的故事一样。
But I pressed him for more information.
但我催促他提供更多信息。
And he said the main thing he wanted me to know before was not what he and my great-grandmother talked about, it was how they talked.
他说他之前想让我知道的主要事情不是他和我的曾祖母谈论了什么，而是他们如何谈论。
Because even though they were basically still strangers who had never even seen each other naked, they somehow believed in one another from the start.
因为虽然他们基本上还是陌生人，甚至连裸体都没有见过，但他们从一开始就某种程度上相信了彼此。
My great-grandfather told me that all dates ended with the same custom.
我的曾祖父告诉我，所有的约会都以同样的习俗结束。
After the two people finished all the alcohol they'd been served, one person would ask the other to come over to their dorm room to watch Arrested Development.
两个人喝完所有的酒后，一个人会邀请另一个人到自己的宿舍里看《发展受阻》。
Arrested Development was a non Spider-Man show that you played by putting small round disks into a machine.
《发展受阻》是一部非蜘蛛侠节目，你可以通过将小圆盘放入机器中来玩。
The reason it existed was to create a way for people on dates to gauge each other's interests in becoming naked without having to directly ask them.
它存在的原因是为约会的人们创造一种方式来衡量彼此对裸体的兴趣，而不必直接询问他们。
The way this worked was a little complicated, but my great-grandfather was able to explain all the steps.
这个工作的方式有点复杂，但我的曾祖父能够解释所有的步骤。
First, you ask the other person if they had seen Arrested Development, and they would respond, "Some, but not all of it." This would be your prompt to ask them if they wanted to come to your dorm room to watch the episodes they'd missed.
首先，你问对方是否看过《发展受阻》，他们会回答：“有一些，但不是全部。”这将提示您询问他们是否愿意来您的宿舍观看他们错过的剧集。
If they didn't want to see you naked, they would say that they had to finish a paper, which was an expression that meant that they were not attracted to you.
如果他们不想看到你裸体，他们会说他们必须完成一篇论文，这是一种表示他们对你不感兴趣的表达方式。
If they did agree to watch Arrested Development, it meant that they probably did want to see you naked.
如果他们确实同意观看《发展受阻》，则意味着他们可能确实想看你裸体。
But here's where it gets complicated.
但这就是事情变得复杂的地方。
Sometimes it did not mean that.
有时并不是这个意思。
Sometimes it just meant that they wanted to watch Arrested Development.
有时这只是意味着他们想看《发展受阻》。
That's why there was a third part of the custom.
这就是为什么有这个习俗的第三部分。
After walking back to your dorm room and putting one of the disks into the disk playing machine, you would sit side by side on a small couch.
回到宿舍，将其中一张光盘放入光盘播放机后，你们会并排坐在一张小沙发上。
Your eyes would be facing the screen, but your attention would be focused entirely on each other.
您的眼睛将面向屏幕，但您的注意力将完全集中在彼此身上。
As Arrested Development played, you would physically move closer to the other person, inch by inch, without making any sudden movements.
在玩《发展受阻》时，你的身体会一寸一寸地靠近对方，但不会做出任何突然的动作。
The idea was that if you both moved incrementally towards each other, eventually, your hands would touch.
这个想法是，如果你们两个逐渐靠近对方，最终你们的手就会接触到。
If the other person pulled their hand away or laughed and said, sorry, that meant that they had really truly come to watch Arrested Development.
如果对方把手抽开，或者笑着说，对不起，那就说明他真的是来看《发展受阻》的。
But if they did not pull their hand away from yours, that meant it was time to start kissing, which is what my great-grandparents did, even though they had never exchanged even the most rudimentary of nudes.
但如果他们没有将手从你的手上移开，那就意味着是时候开始接吻了，这就是我的曾祖父母所做的，尽管他们从未交换过哪怕是最基本的裸体。
And at this point, my mother told my great grandfather to stop telling the story.
这时，我母亲告诉我曾祖父不要再讲这个故事了。
And he had to admit that the next part was genuinely inappropriate.
而他也不得不承认，接下来的部分确实不合适。
My great-grandfather said that their marriage wasn't perfect.
我的曾祖父说他们的婚姻并不完美。
Sometimes they argued.
有时他们会争论。
And in the 2050s, they both had full-fledged affairs with sex robots.
在 2050 年代，他们都与性爱机器人发生过正式的恋情。
But they ultimately forgave each other because nobody's perfect.
但他们最终还是原谅了对方，因为没有人是完美的。
And also, by the 2050s, sex robots had become extremely advanced, as well as incredibly persuasive.
而且，到了 2050 年代，性爱机器人已经变得极其先进，并且具有令人难以置信的说服力。
If you refused to have sex with them, they would start making really high level philosophical arguments about why it wasn't wrong, using logic that was essentially bulletproof, while their boobs and dicks lit up and spun and stuff.
如果你拒绝与他们发生性关系，他们会开始使用本质上无懈可击的逻辑，开始提出非常高层次的哲学论证，解释为什么这没有错，而他们的胸部和阴茎会发光、旋转等等。
And eventually, it got to the point where the UN had to regulate the sex robot industry because they needed people to leave their apartments again so we could go back to being a society.
最终，联合国不得不对性机器人行业进行监管，因为他们需要人们再次离开他们的公寓，这样我们才能回到一个社会。
The point is, my great-grandparents rekindled their romance in the 2060s.
关键是，我的曾祖父母在 2060 年代重燃了他们的浪漫之火。
And they even ended up renewing their vows while riding on the escape pod to New Earth, surrounded by their daughters and their grandchildren.
他们甚至在乘坐逃生舱前往新地球时重申了自己的誓言，周围都是女儿和孙子。
And my great-grandfather asked my mom if she could remember the ceremony.
我的曾祖父问我妈妈是否还记得这个仪式。
And she said she was only four at the time, but she did vaguely recall how weird it was to see him on the spaceship when it was supposed to be just for women and children.
她说当时她只有四岁，但她确实记得在宇宙飞船上看到他是多么奇怪，而宇宙飞船本应只供妇女和儿童使用。
And my great-grandfather said that they needed to bring one man to help the women lift their bags into the overhead compartments.
我的曾祖父说他们需要带一名男子来帮助妇女们将行李搬到头顶的行李架上。
And I reminded him that earlier he'd said he'd been on the ship to row an oar.
我提醒他，早些时候他说过他在船上划桨。
And there was a long pause.
然后是长时间的停顿。
And then he said that he was tired and had to go to sleep.
然后他说他累了，必须去睡觉了。
And he closed his eyes, but it didn't really look like he was sleeping.
他闭上了眼睛，但看起来并不像是在睡觉。
Because every few seconds, he would open his eyes to check if we were still there.
因为每隔几秒钟，他就会睁开眼睛看看我们是否还在。
And when he saw we were, he would quickly close his eyes again.
当他看到我们时，他会很快再次闭上眼睛。
And it was around this time that my great-grandmother rolled up in her wheelchair.
就在这个时候，我的曾祖母坐上了轮椅。
And my great-grandfather stopped pretending to be asleep, and he sat up and smiled.
我的曾祖父不再装睡了，他坐了起来，微笑着。
And she smiled back.
她也微笑着回应。
And then he lowered his voice and said, do you want to watch Arrested Development?
然后他压低声音说，你想看《发展受阻》吗？
And my mom reminded my great-grandfather that Arrested Development has been lost, along with everything else on Earth, because of his generation's crimes against humanity.
我妈妈提醒我曾祖父，由于他这一代人犯下反人类罪，发展受阻以及地球上的其他一切都已经消失了。
But my great-grandfather ignored her and motioned for his wife to wheel next to him.
但我的曾祖父没有理睬她，示意他的妻子在他旁边开车。
And he flipped through random channels while their hands inched slowly towards each other.
当他们的手慢慢靠近彼此时，他随机翻阅频道。
And that's when I finally figured out what the Earth was really like.
就在那时我终于弄清楚了地球到底是什么样子。
It was kind of like Arrested Development.
这有点像发展受阻。
It was something people talked about, and praised, and maybe even tried to save.
这是人们谈论、赞扬、甚至可能试图挽救的东西。
But the whole time, what everybody secretly actually cared about was the person sitting next to them.
但自始至终，大家暗自关心的其实都是坐在自己身边的人。
That's where all mankind's effort went, the sweat and the toil of billions not to saving the world, but to the frantic, desperate quest for love.
这就是全人类的努力，数十亿人的汗水和辛劳，不是为了拯救世界，而是为了疯狂、绝望地追求爱。
And that's why the Earth is gone, because it was nothing more than a conversation starter.
这就是地球消失的原因，因为它只不过是一个对话的开始。
It wasn't what we really truly cared about.
这不是我们真正关心的。
We never even really lived there.
我们甚至从未真正住过那里。
We lived in the presence of each other.
我们生活在彼此面前。
And when my mom read my first draft of this, she said that I shouldn't end it this way because it's glib, and defeatist, and seems to absolve my great grandfather for his political inaction.
当我妈妈读到我的初稿时，她说我不应该以这种方式结束它，因为它是油嘴滑舌、失败主义的，而且似乎在原谅我曾祖父在政治上的不作为。
But it's not like anybody's going to read this stupid essay anyway.
但无论如何，没人会读这篇愚蠢的文章。
And even if they do, it'll eventually be lost like everything else, besides Spider-Man.
即使他们这样做了，它最终也会像除了蜘蛛侠之外的其他一切一样消失。
So I'm just going to stop it right here.
所以我就在这里停止它。
Because I want to go out and the night's still young.
因为我想出去，而且夜色还早。
Simon Rich reading a short story, "History Report." His most recent collection of short stories is called New Teeth.
西蒙·里奇读短篇小说《历史报告》。他最新的短篇小说集名为《新牙齿》。
Well, our program was produced today by our show's senior editor David Kestenbaum with James Bennett II.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由我们节目的高级编辑 David Kestenbaum 和 James Bennett II 制作的。
The people who put together today's show include Bim Adewunmi, Chris Benderev, Jendayi Bonds, Sean Cole, Michael Comite, Aviva DeKornfeld, Micky Meek, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Rae Mondo, Nadia Reiman, Ryan Rumery, Ike Sriskandarajah, Frances Swanson, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Bim Adewunmi、Chris Benderev、Jendayi Bonds、Sean Cole、Michael Comite、Aviva DeKornfeld、Micky Meek、Stowe Nelson、Katherine Rae Mondo、Nadia Reiman、Ryan Rumery、Ike Sriskandarajah、Frances Swanson、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Julie Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Special thanks today to Nicole Wolf Rodriguez-Robbins, Tarek Fouda, Mark Johnson of Global Wildlife Resources, David Mech of the US Geological Survey and the University of Minnesota, and Bill White.
今天特别感谢全球野生动物资源公司的 Nicole Wolf Rodriguez-Robbins、Tarek Fouda、Mark Johnson、美国地质调查局和明尼苏达大学的 David Mech 以及 Bill White。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
You can stream our archive of over 800 episodes for absolutely free.
您可以完全免费地观看我们的 800 多集档案。
Also, there's merch for your holiday shopping needs, list of favorite shows, tons of other stuff there, too.
此外，还有满足您假日购物需求的商品、最喜欢的节目列表以及大量其他内容。
Again, thisamericanlife.org.
再说一次，thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's confounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的混杂者 Torey Malatia 先生。
He was helping his little nephew with a school project, this 3D topographical map of the Ottoman Empire, which was very nice until he called the kid's teacher to brag--
他正在帮助他的小侄子做一个学校项目，这张奥斯曼帝国的 3D 地形图，本来就很不错，直到他打电话给孩子的老师吹牛——
I said I was very involved in putting that little turkey together.
我说我非常投入地把那只小火鸡放在一起。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。