802: Father's Day - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass Dad, now, what we're going to do is we're going to go through this thing, and there'll be stopping and starting.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 爸爸，现在，我们要做的就是我们要经历这件事，并且会有停止和开始。
Hello?
你好？
Hi.
你好。
Ira Glass There'll be stopping and starting.
Ira Glass：会有停止和开始。
And basically, if you feel like saying anything you want over the course of this, it'll be better if you just jump in and say it.
基本上，如果你想在这个过程中说任何你想说的话，直接说出来会更好。
OK?
好的？
OK.
好的。
Ira Glass For Father's Day this year, it seemed fun to rerun this episode from the earliest days of our radio show.
Ira Glass 今年的父亲节，重播我们广播节目最初的这一集似乎很有趣。
This is an episode that I co-hosted with my dad.
这是我和我父亲共同主持的一集。
And this was made so long ago that my father in this recording, he's the same age that I am right now, in 2023, as I'm saying these words to you.
这是很久以前录制的，录音中的我父亲和我现在（2023 年）同龄，当我对你们说这些话时。
I have the script.
我有剧本。
Ira Glass And have you been practicing?
Ira Glass 你有练习过吗？
Like crazy.
就像疯了一样。
Ira Glass Can I hear just a little sample of you reading something?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我可以听听您正在阅读的一小段内容吗？
Sure.
当然。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, the Father's Day edition.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》父亲节版。
Dad, you are such a pro.
爸爸，你真是个专业人士。
Barry Glass [LAUGHING]
巴里·格拉斯[笑]
I haven't done this in 40 years.
我已经 40 年没有做过这样的事了。
It brings back all kinds of memories.
它带回了各种各样的回忆。
Now, you better explain to our radio listeners in what context you actually sat in front of a radio microphone, Dad.
现在，你最好向我们的广播听众解释一下你实际上是在什么情况下坐在广播麦克风前的，爸爸。
Well, it was around 1955 or 1956 when I graduated from Maryland.
嗯，那是 1955 年或 1956 年左右，我从马里兰大学毕业。
And instead of getting an honest job, I went to work in radio.
我没有找到一份诚实的工作，而是去了电台工作。
So here's a tape of what you sounded like back in 1956 on the radio.
这是 1956 年收音机里的声音的磁带。
This is three years before I was born.
这是我出生前三年。
And you're just a kid in this recording.
而你在这段录音中只是一个孩子。
You are 23 years old.
你今年 23 岁。
Do personal problems and worries have you down?
个人问题和忧虑是否让您感到沮丧？
Are you disturbed by business problems, marriage problems, or emotional problems?
您是否因事业问题、婚姻问题或情感问题而困扰？
See Mrs. K, reader and advisor.
参见读者兼顾问 K 女士。
Mrs. K, formerly of Europe, gives you a reading and answers all your questions for just $1, and you'll feel much better.
前欧洲人 K 女士只需 1 美元即可为您提供阅读材料并回答您的所有问题，您会感觉好多了。
How could somebody, Dad, how could somebody who's charging $1 for a reading even afford to buy a radio ad?
爸爸，阅读费用为 1 美元的人怎么可能买得起广播广告？
Well, look, she's been to Europe.
嗯，看，她去过欧洲。
She got her education there.
她在那里接受教育。
So they must have taught her something over there.
所以他们一定在那里教了她一些东西。
[LAUGHING] So, now, at some point, you gave up your burgeoning career in radio really before it took off the ground, and that was because?
[笑] 所以，现在，在某个时候，你在广播事业起飞之前就放弃了它蓬勃发展的职业生涯，那是因为？
It was nothing important.
这没什么重要的。
It was something called making a living.
这就是所谓的谋生。
Right, and so now you're a certified public accountant living in Baltimore.
是的，现在您是一名居住在巴尔的摩的注册会计师。
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass Well, let me say this.
艾拉·格拉斯 好吧，让我这么说。
Let me give a little explanation that we try to give each show for new listeners.
让我稍微解释一下我们试图为新听众提供的每个节目。
Each week in our program, we document stories of life in these United States, using all the tools of radio storytelling-- documentaries, monologues, found tapes, anything we can think of.
在我们的节目中，我们每周都会使用广播讲故事的所有工具来记录这些美国的生活故事——纪录片、独白、找到的磁带，以及我们能想到的任何东西。
And today, for Father's Day my co-host will be my own father, Barry Glass, certified public accountant.
今天，父亲节的共同主持人是我的父亲巴里·格拉斯 (Barry Glass)，他是注册会计师。
I know.
我知道。
This is our little Father's Day adventure together.
这是我们一起度过的父亲节小冒险。
Our program today will have four acts.
我们今天的节目有四幕。
Act One, Sandra Tsing Loh finds out that the world sees her father very differently from the way she sees him.
第一幕，桑德拉·青罗发现世人对她父亲的看法与她对他的看法截然不同。
Act 2, "And If That Diamond Ring Don't Shine," Ian Brown talks about everyday moments that test any father.
第二幕“如果那枚钻戒不发光”，伊恩·布朗谈到了考验父亲的日常时刻。
So, Dad, take us into Act 1, will you, please?
那么，爸爸，请带我们进入第一幕，好吗？
Act 1, "How the World Sees Your Father."
第一幕，“世界如何看待你的父亲”。
So, Dad, our first story today is from Los Angeles.
所以，爸爸，我们今天的第一个故事来自洛杉矶。
It's from Sandra Tsing Loh, as you said at the beginning of the show in the billboard.
这是 Sandra Tsing Loh 的作品，正如你在广告牌上节目开始时所说的那样。
When she was growing up, her father was not a fun dad.
在她的成长过程中，她的父亲并不是一个有趣的父亲。
He himself had been orphaned in Shanghai when he was 12.
他12岁时在上海成为孤儿。
He was raised in poverty, and because of that, he was just this-- penny pincher doesn't even capture it.
他在贫困中长大，正因为如此，他就是这样——吝啬鬼甚至没有抓住这一点。
He was miserly.
他很吝啬。
They didn't celebrate Christmas.
他们没有庆祝圣诞节。
He never took his children to Disneyland, even though it was less than an hour away from their home.
他从来没有带孩子去迪士尼乐园，尽管迪士尼乐园离他们家不到一个小时的路程。
There were no real vacations.
没有真正的假期。
Sandra tells the story once she bought a book of Charlie Brown comics for $1 at a book fair, and her father threw it across the room, furious at how she had wasted money.
桑德拉讲述了这样一个故事：有一次她在书展上花了 1 美元买了一本查理·布朗漫画书，她的父亲把它扔到了房间的另一边，对她浪费钱的行为感到愤怒。
He was really strict.
他真的很严格。
But as Sandra found out recently, not everyone in the world sees her father the way she does.
但正如桑德拉最近发现的那样，并不是世界上每个人都像她一样看待她的父亲。
There's a kind of news that you're never prepared for, and here, last week, was mine.
有一种消息你永远不会做好准备，而上周，这是我的。
A friend told me that, incredibly, a local grunge band had composed a rock anthem about my dad and was performing it to great response in Malibu area clubs.
一位朋友告诉我，令人难以置信的是，当地的一支垃圾摇滚乐队创作了一首关于我父亲的摇滚歌曲，并在马里布地区的俱乐部表演，引起了巨大反响。
The group in question was called Boy Hits Car, and the song, a wailing rock cri de coeur powered by Pearl Jam-like riffs, was, in fact called "Mr. Loh." The actual cover of the Boy Hits Car demo tape was a grainily xeroxed photo of a tiny, wizened 76-year-old Chinese man, grinning on a Malibu beach in tattered swim trunks, which was, indeed, my father.
这个乐队被称为“Boy Hits Car”，这首歌是一首哀号摇滚，由珍珠酱般的连复段驱动，实际上被称为“Mr. Loh”。 《Boy Hits Car》演示磁带的实际封面是一张复印的颗粒状照片，照片上是一位瘦小、干瘪的 76 岁中国男人，穿着破烂的泳裤在马里布海滩上咧着嘴笑，这确实是我的父亲。
I have to admit, however, that the Mr. Loh in the song was not one I was familiar with.
但我不得不承认，歌中的罗先生并不是我所熟悉的。
As seen through the eyes of lifeguard/singer Craig Rondell, Mr. Loh is a mystical, dreamy figure who swims naked among the dolphins.
在救生员兼歌手克雷格·朗德尔 (Craig Rondell) 的眼中，罗先生是一个神秘而梦幻的人物，他在海豚中裸泳。
In the duality that characterizes certain types of rock poetry-- I'm reminded of The Doors-- the natural dance Mr. Loh does on the beach brings the listener comfort while, at the same time, poses a profound spiritual challenge.
在某些类型的摇滚诗歌的二元性中——我想起了《门》——罗先生在海滩上自然的舞蹈给听众带来了舒适感，同时也提出了深刻的精神挑战。
["MR. LOH" BY BOY HITS CAR] Boy Hits Car (SINGING) Mr. Loh's not afraid to be naked, but some men fall from grace.
[《男孩撞车》《罗先生》] 男孩撞车（唱） 罗先生并不害怕裸体，但有些男人失宠了。
They're not secure with themselves.
他们对自己没有安全感。
He doesn't measure people by things we consider important.
他不会用我们认为重要的事情来衡量人。
Can't seem to comprehend today, so he swims away.
今天似乎无法理解，所以他游走了。
My first instinct was that this had to be a sick Freudian joke one of my siblings was playing on me, as in, what is the most wildly unlikely, most fraught with amazing ironies, most wacky '60s Peter Sellers film thing you can imagine could happen to our family?
我的第一直觉是，这一定是我的一个兄弟姐妹对我开的一个病态的弗洛伊德笑话，比如，你能想象到的最不可能、最充满惊人讽刺、最古怪的 60 年代彼得·塞勒斯电影中发生在我们家的事情是什么？
But no, my father was these Malibu surfers' Eggman.
但不，我的父亲是这些马里布冲浪者的蛋头人。
He was their walrus.
他是他们的海象。
I decided to meet them.
我决定去见见他们。
Craig Rondell, bass player Scott Menville, and guitarist Louis Lenard were all too happy to come into a studio and explain how their song came to be.
克雷格·朗德尔、贝斯手斯科特·门维尔和吉他手路易斯·莱纳德都非常高兴地来到录音室解释他们的歌曲是如何诞生的。
It was one day at the beach, and there was about five of us just sitting in the sand, just talking.
有一天，在海滩上，我们大约五个人坐在沙滩上聊天。
Mr. Loh came casually walking up, and he was standing there for just maybe three seconds without saying anything.
罗先生若无其事地走了过来，他站在那里大约三秒钟，什么也没说。
And we were kind of like, OK.
我们有点像，好吧。
And then he said, you're all victims of modern technology.
然后他说，你们都是现代科技的受害者。
I started thinking.
我开始思考。
I was like, wow, that's deep.
我当时想，哇，太深了。
And then he just started to talk to us.
然后他就开始和我们说话。
He would sing, throughout the conversation, he would start singing.
他会唱歌，在整个谈话过程中，他都会开始唱歌。
And so that's where the song, the premise kind of came from.
这就是这首歌、前提的来源。
["MR. LOH" BY BOY HITS CAR] Boy Hits Car (SINGING) Mr. Loh, will you speak to me?
[“MR. LOH” BY BOY HITS CAR] 男孩撞车（唱） Loh 先生，你能跟我说话吗？
You're the only one I understand.
你是我唯一能理解的人。
Mr. Loh, will you speak to me?
罗先生，你能跟我说话吗？
You're the only one who makes sense.
你是唯一一个有道理的人。
Do you remember when you first saw my father?
你还记得第一次见到我父亲是什么时候吗？
Go ahead, Scott.
来吧，斯科特。
Oh, I remember.
哦，我记得了。
These guys probably have earlier memories, but it was in 1978 after the big fire came.
这些家伙可能有更早的记忆，但那是1978年大火发生后的事。
Our house burned down, and we moved to Malibu West.
我们的房子被烧毁了，我们搬到了马里布西。
And I remember seeing Mr. Loh stretching naked and then taking a shower outside naked and--
我记得看到罗先生赤身裸体地伸展身体，然后赤身裸体地在外面洗澡，然后——
At the beach?
在海滩？
Scott Menville At the beach.
斯科特·门维尔在海滩。
And I thought it was kind of like funny, but like not in a bad way.
我觉得这有点好笑，但也不是坏事。
I thought it was interesting.
我觉得这很有趣。
That was my first memory.
那是我最初的记忆。
OK.
好的。
Louis Lenard I, too, had similar memories.
路易斯·莱纳德（Louis Lenard）我也有类似的记忆。
I mean, I've been at that beach at Malibu since I was in diapers.
我的意思是，自从我穿着尿布以来，我就一直在马里布的海滩上。
And five, six, seven, eight years old.
还有五岁、六岁、七岁、八岁。
I was down there, and I'd notice him doing somersaults in the sand or doing headstands against the wall, naked as well.
我在下面，我注意到他在沙子里翻筋斗，或者靠着墙倒立，也赤身裸体。
So what did you think-- Talking to these guys, it suddenly occurred to me who my dad really is.
那么你是怎么想的——和这些人交谈时，我突然想到我的父亲到底是谁。
You know how every neighborhood has its eccentric-- the cat lady, the parrot man, the guy with the umbrella hat and recycling cart who yells?
你知道每个街区都有其怪人吗——猫女、鹦鹉男、戴着雨伞帽、推着回收车大喊大叫的家伙？
Well, in my Southern Californian hometown, Malibu West, my dad is that person.
嗯，在我南加州的家乡马里布西，我的父亲就是那个人。
It's an unsettling thing to realize about one of your own parents.
了解自己的父母是一件令人不安的事情。
And behind Mr. Loh's back, he was known as the Naked Handstand Man.
而在罗先生的背后，他被称为“裸体倒立人”。
[LAUGHTER] For years, I didn't even know his name.
[笑声] 多年来，我什至不知道他的名字。
I just thought he was the Naked Handstand Man.
我只是以为他是裸体倒立人。
Scott wrote another-- I'm going to put him on the spot.
斯科特又写了一篇——我要让他陷入困境。
Oh, no. Sandra Tsing Loh Wait, there's a Naked Handstand song?
哦，不。 Sandra Tsing Loh 等等，有一首裸体倒立歌曲吗？
Yes, of course there's a Naked Handstand Man song.
是的，当然有一首《裸体倒立男》歌曲。
Unbelievably, the "Mr. Loh" song they'd recorded was only the latest in a decade-long aesthetic exploration of my father on the part of Boy Hits Car bassist Scott Menville.
令人难以置信的是，他们录制的“Mr. Loh”歌曲只是我父亲对 Boy Hits Car 贝斯手 Scott Menville 长达十年的美学探索中最新的一首。
OK, it was like (SINGING) I was walking down the beach one day.
好吧，就像有一天我（唱歌）沿着海滩散步。
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
敦，敦，敦，敦，敦，敦。
I happened to turn and look his way.
我碰巧转身朝他的方向看去。
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
敦，敦，敦，敦，敦，敦。
This is the man that we all know.
这是我们都认识的人。
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
敦，敦，敦，敦，敦。
And his name is Mr. Loh.
他的名字叫罗先生。
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
敦，敦，敦，敦，敦。
He stood right there with his head in the sand.
他站在那里，把头埋在沙子里。
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
敦，敦，敦，敦，敦。
He's the Naked Handstand Man.
他是裸体倒立人。
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
敦，敦，敦，敦，敦。
Mr. Loh, Mr. Loh.
罗先生，罗先生。
[LAUGHTER] Something like that.
[笑声]类似的事情。
We were like 12.
我们当时就像12岁。
I invited my father to join me and the band in the studio.
我邀请父亲加入我和乐队的录音室。
He doesn't really see all the fuss about his nakedness.
他并没有真正看到关于他的裸体的所有大惊小怪。
For example, at Stanford University, which I went there, too, in the men's swimming pool, everybody was naked because that's the most hygienic, most clean thing to do, you see.
例如，在斯坦福大学，我也去过那里，在男子游泳池里，每个人都赤身裸体，因为这是最卫生、最干净的事情，你看。
But if some young people want to see his nakedness as a symbol of something more important, well, my father is happy to be of service.
但如果一些年轻人希望将他的裸体视为更重要事物的象征，那么我父亲很乐意为您服务。
The way I discovered this tape was this.
我发现这盘磁带的方式是这样的。
One day, maybe a couple of months ago, I hitchhiked.
有一天，也许是几个月前，我搭便车。
And a couple of young men picked me up.
几个年轻人来接我。
They say, Mr. Loh, we hear that tape about you.
他们说，罗先生，我们听到了关于你的磁带。
Oh, I say, those rascals.
哦，我说，那些无赖。
They did tape.
他们做了磁带。
They didn't tell me.
他们没有告诉我。
And it's very nice.
这非常好。
I feel very happy, very honored.
我感到非常高兴、非常荣幸。
Probably if they don't write any song about me, probably nobody will ever write about me.
可能如果他们不写任何关于我的歌曲，可能就没有人会写关于我的了。
So this is my life chance.
所以这是我一生的机会。
Of course, that's not true because I've made my career writing about you.
当然，这不是真的，因为我的职业就是写你。
Yeah, but not song, you see.
是的，但不是歌曲，你看。
You see, you are on the writing.
你看，你正在写作。
So I appreciate that, too.
所以我也很欣赏这一点。
But I like something different.
但我喜欢不同的东西。
That's very precious for me, see.
这对我来说非常珍贵，瞧。
Of course, with all due respect to the members of Boy Hits Car, in my opinion, my father is the least likely candidate to become a symbol of individual freedom of spiritual introspection of the healing powers of nature.
当然，尽管对“男孩撞车”的成员充满敬意，但在我看来，我的父亲最不可能成为个人自由精神反思自然治愈力量的象征。
After all, this is a man who believed all three of his children should get PhDs in engineering, or else they would starve in the street.
毕竟，这个人相信他的三个孩子都应该获得工程学博士学位，否则他们会饿死在街上。
Then, again, all these things may be a matter of personal interpretation.
话又说回来，所有这些事情可能都是个人解释的问题。
So you see my father's nakedness as kind of a rebellion of some sort, or?
所以你认为我父亲的裸体是某种叛逆，或者？
No. Not actually.
不，实际上不是。
I just-- Craig Rondell Just natural.
我只是—— Craig Rondell 很自然。
I feel that he has the ability to go beyond the general stereotype that America holds in that regard and is free.
我觉得他有能力超越美国在这方面的普遍刻板印象，并且是自由的。
Contact with nature, now, that's very important.
现在，接触大自然非常重要。
Now, in the society, you are so busy, busy, busy, busy, busy.
现在，在社会上，你是那么忙、忙、忙、忙、忙。
Not much time to talk to yourself or talk to the nature.
没有太多时间与自己交谈或与大自然交谈。
Nature, but did you encourage-- I'm just trying to remember as kids, if you encouraged us to do that.
自然，但是你鼓励我们这样做吗？我只是想记住小时候，你是否鼓励我们这样做。
Well, we did many things.
嗯，我们做了很多事情。
We always go along the Zuma Beach to the garbage can to collect those aluminum cans.
我们总是沿着祖玛海滩到垃圾桶去收集那些铝罐。
And we'd compete with the [INAUDIBLE] family.
我们会与[听不清]家族竞争。
We have to go one step ahead.
我们必须先行一步。
Not to put too fine a point on it, but a competition to collect cans for spare change is not the sort of communing with nature, say, Walt Whitman and Ralph Waldo Emerson extolled, which brings me to another point.
并不是要过分强调这一点，但沃尔特·惠特曼和拉尔夫·沃尔多·爱默生所称赞的那种收集罐头换零钱的竞赛并不是与自然的交流，这让我想到了另一点。
I have to say, there is something sort of poignant about sitting in a room full of young people who are hanging onto my father's every word.
我不得不说，坐在一个满是年轻人的房间里，他们紧紧抓住我父亲的每一句话，有一种令人心酸的感觉。
He's like an odd little guru, they his apostles.
他就像一个奇怪的小导师，他们是他的使徒。
God knows he never got that from my sister or brother or me.
天知道他从来没有从我的姐妹、兄弟或我那里得到过这样的东西。
At one point, for reasons too complicated to explain here, my father sang the boys in the band a Chinese folk song that he had translated into French.
有一次，由于原因太复杂，无法在这里解释，我父亲给乐队里的男孩们唱了一首他翻译成法语的中国民歌。
[APPLAUSE] Sandra Tsing Loh Were you crying?
[鼓掌] 罗清君 (Sandra Tsing Loh) 你哭了吗？
Why?
为什么？
Why?
为什么？
Why?
为什么？
Scott Menville That was just beautiful.
斯科特·门维尔 那真是太美了。
That was just an unhindered true expression of something that I just felt that was totally genuine.
这只是我觉得完全真实的事物的不受阻碍的真实表达。
It just gave me the chills.
这只让我不寒而栗。
Should I sing another one?
我应该再唱一首吗？
Sandra Tsing Loh Why not?
为什么不呢？
Sing another one.
再唱一首吧
If this makes my father happy, well, then, I guess I'll try to be happy for him.
如果这能让我父亲高兴，那么，我想我会尽力为他高兴。
["MR. LOH" BY BOY HITS CAR] Boy Hits Car (SINGING) Mr. Loh, he finds the water and seems to wash this place off as the dolphins jump and play.
[“MR. LOH” BY BOY HITS CAR] 男孩撞车（唱歌） Loh 先生，他找到了水，似乎在海豚跳跃和玩耍时冲走了这个地方。
He speaks to us in the sand.
他在沙子里对我们说话。
Do you know the meaning of life, or are you just a simple man?
你知道生命的意义吗，还是你只是一个简单的人？
And then he swims away.
然后他游走了。
Dad, do you have the script for the back notes?
爸爸，你有后记的剧本吗？
Yeah, I have it.
是的，我有。
Ira Glass OK, why don't you give the back notes?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：好吧，你为什么不给后面的注释呢？
Sandra Tsing Loh is a writer, performer, composer, and columnist for Buzz Magazine.
Sandra Tsing Loh 是一位作家、表演者、作曲家和 Buzz 杂志的专栏作家。
This is Ira in 2023, today's show's rerun.
这是 2023 年的艾拉，今天的节目重播。
I am jumping in to say that Sandra actually has a new comedy called Mad Women of the West that's running at the Odyssey Theater in Los Angeles right now.
我想说的是，桑德拉实际上有一部新喜剧，名为《西方疯狂女人》，目前正在洛杉矶的奥德赛剧院上演。
Her dad, Mr. Loh, died a few years ago at the age of 96.
她的父亲 Loh 先生几年前去世，享年 96 岁。
And the band did a live performance of this song at his wake.
在他去世后，乐队现场表演了这首歌。
["MR. LOH" BY BOY HITS CAR] Boy Hits Car (SINGING) Mr. Loh's not afraid to be naked.
[“MR. LOH” BY BOY HITS CAR] Boy Hits Car（唱） Loh 先生并不害怕裸体。
Hey, Dad, one of the things that you often complained to me about, about stories that you hear on Public Radio is that they're too long.
嘿，爸爸，您经常向我抱怨的一件事是，您在公共广播电台听到的故事太长了。
How are we doing so far?
到目前为止我们做得怎么样？
That's a pretty long piece.
这是一篇相当长的文章。
Ira Glass Too long, do you think?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 你觉得太长了吗？
Yeah, I think it's too long.
是的，我觉得太长了。
Ira Glass Did your interest flag?
Ira Glass 您的兴趣减弱了吗？
No, my interest didn't slow down.
不，我的兴趣并没有减慢。
However, if I were listening to the show at home with other distractions around, it might lag off a little bit, I think.
然而，如果我在家里听节目，周围有其他干扰，我想它可能会有点滞后。
(SINGING) Mr. Loh, will you sing to me?
（唱）罗先生，你唱歌给我听好吗？
You're the only one who makes sense.
你是唯一一个有道理的人。
Act 2, "Father's Music." Ira Glass Now, Dad, for this act, I asked you to bring in an example of the kinds of music that you, my father, used to play around the house when I was a kid, because you had music going whenever you were home on weekends and--
第二幕，“父亲的音乐”。艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）现在，爸爸，对于这个表演，我请你举出我小时候你，我的父亲，经常在家里播放的音乐类型的例子，因为只要你周末在家，你就会播放音乐，而且——
Absolutely.
绝对的。
Ira Glass OK, so what did you bring in?
Ira Glass 好的，那么你带来了什么？
Well, I brought three Frank Sinatra CDs.
嗯，我带了三张 Frank Sinatra CD。
Right on.
就在。
Can you just choose a song and let's pop that on?
您可以选择一首歌然后让我们播放吗？
Probably my favorite Frank Sinatra song, "Lady is a Tramp."
可能是我最喜欢的弗兰克·西纳特拉的歌曲“Lady is a Tramp”。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I just like the rhythm, like Frank Sinatra's phrasing.
我只是喜欢节奏，就像弗兰克·辛纳屈（Frank Sinatra）的措辞。
Frank Sinatra (SINGING) She gets too hungry for dinner at 8:00.
Frank Sinatra（演唱） 8:00 她太饿了，不想吃晚饭。
She likes the theater and never comes late.
她喜欢看戏，从不迟到。
Right, where we had the Frank Sinatra impersonator.
是的，我们有弗兰克·西纳特拉的模仿者。
Sure.
当然。
Barry Glass Well, this is-- he sang this there.
巴里·格拉斯（Barry Glass）嗯，这是——他在那里唱的。
Did a pretty good job, too.
也做得相当不错。
(SINGING) Doesn't like crap games with barons or earls.
（唱歌）不喜欢与男爵或伯爵玩双骰游戏。
Won't go to Harlem in ermine and pearls.
不会穿着貂皮和珍珠去哈莱姆区。
It's a great song.
这是一首很棒的歌。
And this next story that we're going to do is about a fatherly duty that is linked to a song, but not a good song.
我们要做的下一个故事是关于与一首歌相关的父亲责任，但不是一首好歌。
So it's not "Lady is a Tramp" or anything like that.
所以这不是“女士是流浪汉”或类似的东西。
Oh, definitely not.
哦，绝对不是。
This song is actually "Happy Birthday." I think you're going to like this next story, Dad.
这首歌其实是《生日快乐》。我想你会喜欢下一个故事，爸爸。
It's definitely from the dads point of view.
这绝对是从爸爸的角度来看的。
It's about being a father.
这是关于成为一名父亲。
Ian Brown recorded this for us at a show that we did in front of a live audience.
伊恩·布朗在我们在现场观众面前进行的一场演出中为我们录制了这段视频。
No one arrives fashionably late for a seven-year-old's birthday party.
在七岁孩子的生日聚会上，没有人会时髦地迟到。
That offends rule one of parental life-- never waste free babysitting.
这冒犯了父母的生活准则之一——永远不要浪费免费的保姆服务。
But all seven guests at my daughter Haley's seventh birthday party were dropped off by their parents mysteriously seven minutes early.
但我女儿海莉七岁生日聚会上的所有七位客人都神秘地提前七分钟被他们的父母送走了。
That sort of behavior is just plain rude.
这种行为简直是粗鲁无礼。
It was like being swarmed by a gang from Planet Tiny.
就像是被来自小行星的帮派包围一样。
They dropped their coats in the hall and immediately scattered to the farthest corners of the house like some new, instantly contagious form of biological weapon.
他们把外套丢在大厅里，然后立即分散到房子最远的角落，就像某种新型的、具有瞬间传染性的生物武器。
And I staggered upstairs with a small mountain of coats in my arms, which is not a chore I saw myself performing back when I was young and longing to be grown up.
我怀里抱着一座小山，摇摇晃晃地上了楼，这可不是我年轻时渴望长大的时候做的一件苦差事。
Even when I was 11, I wanted to be married because married people, I knew, had sex every night of their lives.
甚至在我 11 岁的时候，我就想结婚，因为我知道，已婚人士每天晚上都会发生性行为。
But that's another story.
但那是另一个故事了。
I was lugging coats.
我拖着外套。
Back downstairs, Trish, the mother of Katie, Haley's best friend, two best friends ago, Trish shot me a knowing look.
回到楼下，特里西，凯蒂的母亲，海莉最好的朋友，两个最好的朋友，特里西向我投来了会心的一瞥。
Magician, right?
魔术师吧？
How can you tell, I said.
你怎么知道，我说。
Fiber optic wands by the forks.
叉子旁的光纤棒。
And that was the first hint that my wife and I might have gone slightly over the top birthday wise.
这是我和妻子在生日方面可能有点过分的第一个暗示。
That we might have stepped over the strict moral boundary that separates caring, thoughtful parents who believe in personal attention and quality time from cheese balls like us who try to buy their way into their children's hearts.
我们可能已经跨越了严格的道德界限，该界限将那些相信个人关注和优质时间的关心、体贴的父母与像我们这样试图花钱进入孩子内心的奶酪球分开。
It's easy to commit that social gaffe these days.
如今，人们很容易犯社交失态。
My wife and I both work.
我和我妻子都工作。
The harder we work, the guiltier we feel.
我们越努力，就越感到内疚。
The more we want Haley's birthday parties to be-- well, visible from outer space would be gratifying.
我们越希望海莉的生日派对——好吧，从外太空可见就会令人高兴。
We'd been planning Haley's seventh birthday, or to be slightly more accurate, my wife, Johanna, had been planning it, and I'd been doing nothing--
我们一直在计划海莉的七岁生日，或者更准确地说，是我的妻子约翰娜一直在计划，而我却什么也没做——
--for weeks.
——持续数周。
What there was, was a cake iced by professionals in the shape of a magician's top hat, which cost 30 bucks, eight loot bags filled with thoughtful, age appropriate, peanut-free party favors at $15 a bag, and of course, the magician himself at $150 for two hours.
里面有一个由专业人士冰镇成魔术师大礼帽形状的蛋糕，售价 30 美元，八个战利品袋，里面装满了贴心的、适合年龄的、不含花生的派对礼品，每袋 15 美元，当然，魔术师本人两个小时的价格为 150 美元。
He called himself the Amazing Robert.
他称自己为“了不起的罗伯特”。
[LAUGHTER] Now, I like to do something special on Haley's birthday.
[笑声] 现在，我喜欢在海莉的生日那天做一些特别的事情。
Still, don't you think, I said to my wife as she frantically tried to find a magician who wasn't booked three months in advance, don't you think we might be overamping?
不过，当我的妻子疯狂地寻找一位没有提前三个月预约的魔术师时，我对她说，你不觉得我们可能会超负荷吗？
But honey, if we don't go slightly crazy, Johanna said quite logically, some other parent will.
但是亲爱的，如果我们不变得有点疯狂，约翰娜很合逻辑地说，其他一些家长会的。
Then what's Haley going to think?
那么海莉会怎么想呢？
And anyway, do you have a better idea?
不管怎样，你有更好的主意吗？
And I did not have a better idea.
我也没有更好的主意。
My sole contribution to the magician party had been to suggest that we include a whoopee cushion in every loot bag, or at least, it was my idea to blow them up [BLOWING] and put them in the loot bags pre-inflated.
我对魔术师派对的唯一贡献是建议我们在每个战利品袋中都加入一个欢呼垫，或者至少，我的想法是将它们炸毁[吹]并将它们放入预先充气的战利品袋中。
In the old days, when Haley was small, we kept her birthday simple.
以前，当海莉还小的时候，我们把她的生日安排得很简单。
I learned that lesson when I lived in Los Angeles near Beverly Hills.
当我住在洛杉矶比佛利山庄附近时，我学到了这个教训。
In Beverly Hills, parents like their children's birthday parties to have a theme and a fairly significant theme at that-- manifest destiny, say, or a NASA moon shot.
在比佛利山庄，父母喜欢孩子的生日聚会有一个主题，而且是一个相当重要的主题——比如昭示命运，或者美国宇航局登月计划。
In LA, I never went to a birthday party that featured anything less than pony rides.
在洛杉矶，我从来没有参加过任何以骑小马为主题的生日聚会。
And one mother actually gave out Gucci T-shirts in the loot bags.
一位母亲实际上在战利品袋中分发了 Gucci T 恤。
And it was hard to compete with that.
很难与之竞争。
In an act of defiance, a friend of ours, a struggling writer, staged her daughter's birthday in a park, of all places.
我们的一位朋友，一位苦苦挣扎的作家，以一种反抗的行为，在公园等任何地方举办了她女儿的生日活动。
And the kids had a good enough time.
孩子们玩得很开心。
They ran around and swung on swings and played tag and generally reveled in the whole two hours when they weren't under the watchful eye of a nanny or armed response security.
他们到处跑，荡秋千，玩捉人游戏，在没有保姆或武装保安人员监视的情况下，他们通常会在整个两个小时内尽情狂欢。
The grab bags contained what grab bags are supposed to contain-- candy, rather than Rolex watches.
抓包里装的是抓包里应该装的东西——糖果，而不是劳力士手表。
And afterwards, the Beverly Hills parents flocked, they literally flocked around our friend.
之后，比佛利山庄的父母蜂拥而至，他们确实聚集在我们的朋友周围。
Fabulous idea, they said.
他们说，这是一个绝妙的主意。
Nature-- who would have thought?
自然——谁会想到呢？
Can I steal a theme?
我可以盗一个主题吗？
But our friend Katharine is the queen of the less is more, easy on mummy birthday party.
但我们的朋友凯瑟琳是少即是多的女王，在妈妈生日派对上很轻松。
She says children want strong experiences, not new ones, which is why last weekend, for her daughter, Mary's seventh birthday, Katharine invited six girls over to string gummy bears onto extra long bamboo satay skewers.
她说孩子们想要的是丰富的体验，而不是新的体验，这就是为什么上周末，在她女儿玛丽的七岁生日时，凯瑟琳邀请了六个女孩过来将小熊软糖串在超长的竹沙爹串上。
That was the theme of the party--
这就是晚会的主题——
[LAUGHTER] --skewering candies on a stick.
[笑声]——把糖果串在棍子上。
There was some risk of eye injury and the entire gimmick seemed to have Freudian undertones.
存在一定的眼睛受伤风险，而且整个噱头似乎带有弗洛伊德的色彩。
The little girls kept saying, I'm going to stick this skewer up gummy's tiny butt--
小女孩们一直说，我要把这根串插在橡皮糖的小屁股上——
[LAUGHTER] --and giggling hysterically.
[笑声]——歇斯底里地咯咯笑。
But all in all, it was a winner.
但总而言之，这是一个胜利者。
Only one girl barfed.
只有一个女孩呕吐了。
The entire party cost 15 bucks-- Canadian.
整个派对花费了 15 美元——加拿大人。
It is true that Katharine had a pinata.
凯瑟琳确实有一个皮纳塔。
Pinatas are excellent because they entail hitting an object violently with a stick.
皮纳塔非常出色，因为它们需要用棍子猛烈地击打物体。
But those were the old pre-bacchanalian birthdays.
但那些都是过去的酒神节前的生日。
By the time Haley turned five, the year of our most corrupt and therefore most successful birthday, we'd gone as low as a parent can go.
当海莉五岁的时候，也就是我们最腐败、因此也是最成功的生日那一年，我们已经堕落到了父母所能达到的最低点。
We'd hired human Barbie.
我们雇佣了真人芭比娃娃。
[LAUGHTER] For $300, human Barbie dressed up in full-sized versions of Barbie doll outfits and came to your house.
[笑声]只要花 300 美元，真人芭比就会穿着全尺寸版的芭比娃娃服装来到你家。
Human Barbie arrived in a Dodge Grand Caravan with human Mitch, her assistant--
人类芭比和她的助手人类米奇乘坐一辆道奇大篷车抵达——
[LAUGHTER] --two giant mobile racks of party dresses for the girls, a tea set in a case, and two chests of makeup.
[笑声]——两个巨大的移动女孩派对礼服架，一个装在箱子里的茶具，还有两个化妆品柜。
She dressed the kids, discussed the possibility of multiple careers, and fed them cake.
她给孩子们穿衣服，讨论多种职业的可能性，并给他们喂蛋糕。
All our friends were completely horrified.
我们所有的朋友都被吓坏了。
[LAUGHTER] I might as well have said, oh, this year, Haley's having a crack party.
[笑声]我还不如说，哦，今年，海莉举办了一场精彩的派对。
We're having a cake made of crack, too.
我们也有一个用裂纹做的蛋糕。
My Canadian friends put this crassness down to the fact that Johanna, my wife, is an American.
我的加拿大朋友将这种粗鲁归咎于我的妻子约翰娜是美国人。
But successful?
但成功了吗？
Well, it was as if the Dalai Lama had made a stop at our house.
嗯，就好像达赖喇嘛在我们家停留过一样。
The girls were hypnotized with awe.
女孩们被敬畏催眠了。
They spent most of the afternoon standing in a circle, brushing human Barbie's hair.
他们整个下午的大部分时间都站成一圈，梳理芭比娃娃的头发。
I had the feeling that secretly, quite a few mums wouldn't have minded giving it a try themselves.
我私下里有一种感觉，不少妈妈不介意自己尝试一下。
As it turned out, I needn't have worried about the Amazing Robert, the magician, either.
事实证明，我也不必担心神奇的罗伯特魔术师。
He was a handsome guy with sideburns and a wry, if somewhat resigned, manner.
他是个英俊的小伙子，留着鬓角，举止古怪，甚至有点听天由命。
He knew what he was doing, though.
不过，他知道自己在做什么。
He started cracking jokes with the kids right away.
他立刻开始和孩子们开玩笑。
You must be Haley, he said to one of the boys as he walked through the door.
你一定是海莉，他走进门时对其中一个男孩说道。
No, Peter said.
不，彼得说。
I'm a boy, and clapped his hands.
我是个男孩，拍起手来。
Hey, the magician said.
嘿，魔术师说。
No clapping.
没有鼓掌。
So all the kids clapped.
于是所有的孩子都鼓起掌来。
I said, no clapping.
我说，不鼓掌。
By the time he started pulling eggs out of their noses, you know they were goners.
当他开始从他们的鼻子里取出鸡蛋时，你知道他们已经死了。
And I chose that moment to run upstairs.
我选择了那个时刻跑上楼。
And I find I need a moment alone at regular intervals at these kiddie birthday bashes-- also at adult parties.
我发现我需要定期在这些孩子的生日聚会上独处——在成人聚会上也是如此。
In fact, I could use a moment alone right about now.
事实上，我现在可以独处一会儿。
[LAUGHTER] But when I opened the door to my bedroom, what do I find lying, lying on my bed, surrounded by entire mountain ranges of miniature winter coats?
[笑声] 但是当我打开卧室的门时，我发现床上躺着什么，周围都是微型冬衣的山脉？
Two of my adult guests holding hands.
我的两位成年客人手牵手。
Their spouses were downstairs.
他们的配偶在楼下。
I must say, they played it cool.
我必须说，他们表现得很酷。
Headache, the woman said, rubbing her temples, not that I asked.
头痛，女人揉着太阳穴说，不是我问的。
Yeah, I said.
是的，我说。
These kids' parties can be brutal.
这些孩子们的聚会可能很残酷。
And I tell you, I left fast.
我告诉你，我离开得很快。
I didn't want to ask.
我不想问。
I certainly didn't want to know.
我当然不想知道。
And downstairs, the Amazing Robert was making cards disappear and reappear, but Trish, Katie's mom, she kept staring at the magician.
楼下，神奇的罗伯特正在让纸牌消失又重新出现，但凯蒂的妈妈崔西却一直盯着魔术师。
I thought she disapproved of his tricks, but then she gave a little shriek.
我以为她不赞成他的把戏，但随后她发出了一声尖叫。
I know, she said.
我知道，她说。
I knew I knew that magician!
我知道我认识那个魔术师！
He has just come through a terrible divorce from a birthday clown.
他刚刚经历了与生日小丑的可怕离婚。
Which pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
这几乎说明了一切，不是吗？
It's terrible, getting older.
太可怕了，年纪大了。
The disappointments and the letdowns, but no child believes that.
失望和失望，但没有孩子相信这一点。
They want to get older.
他们想要变老。
And if you're seven, you can't wait to be nine.
如果你七岁了，你就迫不及待地想成为九岁。
I mean, nine, that is going to be the greatest because they think life just gets better and better and better the older you get.
我的意思是，九，这将是最伟大的，因为他们认为随着年龄的增长，生活会变得越来越好。
We grown-ups, we know better, or we think we do, or at least we need to think we do.
我们成年人，我们知道得更多，或者我们认为我们知道，或者至少我们需要认为我们知道。
But I didn't have much time for such maudlin thoughts and, frankly, convoluted ones because a new sound was wafting in from the living room, a sound it is, frankly, impossible to be maudlin about.
但我没有太多时间思考这种伤感的想法，坦白说，是令人费解的想法，因为客厅里传来了一种新的声音，坦率地说，这是一种不可能伤感的声音。
They'd found the loot bags.
他们找到了战利品袋。
Crass?
粗鲁？
Sure.
当然。
Cheesy?
俗气？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Grown-up?
长大了？
Not at all.
一点也不。
That's what I liked about it.
这就是我喜欢它的原因。
Thank you.
谢谢。
[APPLAUSE] Ira Glass Ian Brown is a roving writer for the Globe and Mail in Toronto, also the author of The Boy in the Moon, A Father's Journey to Understand His Extraordinary Son, and 60, My Year of Aging Semi-Gracefully.
[掌声]艾拉·格拉斯·伊恩·布朗是多伦多《环球邮报》的流动撰稿人，也是《月亮里的男孩》、《一个父亲了解他非凡儿子的旅程》和《60岁，我半优雅地老去的一年》的作者。
Hey, Dad, it's time for us to give stations a chance to do their local ID breaks and local promos, so I think you have a piece of copy there in front of you.
嘿，爸爸，我们是时候给电视台一个机会来进行本地 ID 破解和本地促销了，所以我想你面前有一份副本。
I do.
我愿意。
Coming up, one father leaves, another one returns, in a minute, when our program continues.
接下来，当我们的节目继续进行时，一位父亲离开，另一位父亲在一分钟内回来。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass, our special Father's Day edition.
我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），我们的父亲节特别版。
And co co-hosting with me for this day is my own father, Barry Glass, now a certified public accountant in Baltimore, but once upon a time, back in his early 20s, a DJ.
与我共同主持这一天的是我自己的父亲巴里·格拉斯 (Barry Glass)，他现在是巴尔的摩的一名注册会计师，但在 20 岁出头的时候曾是一名 DJ。
Ira, you also said you wanted a song dealing with fathers.
Ira，你也说过你想要一首关于父亲的歌曲。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Did you bring in a song dealing with fathers?
你带来了一首关于父亲的歌曲吗？
It's by somebody that you may have never heard of because you're too young-- maybe you have-- Eddie Fisher.
这是由一个你可能从未听说过的人写的，因为你太年轻了——也许你听说过——埃迪·费舍尔。
The only way that I know who Eddie Fisher is-- wasn't he one of Elizabeth Taylor's husbands?
我知道埃迪·费舍尔是谁的唯一方法是——他不是伊丽莎白·泰勒的丈夫之一吗？
That's right.
这是正确的。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Ira Glass He was the one before the guy who she did Cleopatra with.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 他是与她一起扮演克利奥帕特拉的那个人之前的那个人。
Is that right?
是这样吗？
That's right.
这是正确的。
Ira Glass How very sad for Eddie Fisher.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）为埃迪·费舍尔（Eddie Fisher）感到非常难过。
This is all [LAUGHS] I know.
这就是我所知道的全部[笑]。
Here I am, a person in my mid-30s, an educated person.
我是一个30多岁的人，一个受过教育的人。
That is all I would know about him.
这就是我对他的全部了解。
Richard Burton was married to Elizabeth Taylor after Eddie Fisher.
理查德·伯顿在埃迪·费舍尔之后与伊丽莎白·泰勒结婚。
(SINGING) Oh my papa, to me, was so wonderful.
（唱歌）哦，我的爸爸，对我来说，真是太棒了。
Oh my papa, to me, he was so good.
噢，我的爸爸，对我来说，他真是太好了。
No one could be--
没有人可以——
You couldn't get more on point.
你不能说得更切中要点了。
Actually, one of our producers--
事实上，我们的一位制作人——
You go around singing that about your father?
你到处唱那首关于你父亲的歌吗？
I will now, Dad.
我现在会的，爸爸。
I promise.
我保证。
At least for the day, at least for Father's Day.
至少这一天，至少父亲节。
Do you want me to do it now?
你要我现在就做吗？
No, that's OK.
不，没关系。
Ira Glass No, I'm going to do it.
艾拉·格拉斯：不，我要这么做。
I'm going to do it.
我会去做的。
No, no, I'm going to do it.
不，不，我要做。
I've heard you sing, Ira.
我听过你唱歌，艾拉。
Ira Glass You can't stop me.
艾拉·格拉斯 你无法阻止我。
(SINGING) When he would take me on his knee and with a smile, he changed my tears to laughter.
（唱歌）当他微笑着把我抱在膝盖上时，他把我的眼泪变成了笑声。
Oh my papa.
哦我的爸爸。
Dad, this is going out to you.
爸爸，这件事就交给你了。
To me, he was so wonderful.
对我来说，他是如此美妙。
Oh--
哦——
Ira, my heart is breaking.
艾拉，我的心都碎了。
Eddie Fisher (SINGING) I miss him so today.
埃迪·费舍尔（唱歌）我今天很想念他。
We're now at Act 3, "The Moment Dad Left."
我们现在处于第三幕“爸爸离开的那一刻”。
In this act, we have a story from Jay Allison.
在这一幕中，我们有一个来自杰·艾利森的故事。
Jay Allison is this radio producer that all the people who kind of work behind the scenes in Public Radio, we all know him, and he does these really unusual little stories.
杰·艾利森（Jay Allison）是一位广播制作人，所有在公共广播电台幕后工作的人我们都认识他，他创作了这些非常不寻常的小故事。
He lives in Woods Hole, Massachusetts, Cape Cod.
他住在马萨诸塞州科德角的伍兹霍尔。
And one of his neighbors is a guy named Dan Robb, and Dan Robb is a writer and a teacher and a carpenter.
他的一个邻居叫丹·罗伯（Dan Robb），丹·罗伯是一名作家、教师和木匠。
And Jay and Dan had an idea for a little radio experiment.
杰伊和丹想出了一个小小的无线电实验的主意。
Dan's father left his family when Dan was a little kid, just, I think, three or four years old.
当丹还是个小孩子的时候，我想，只有三四岁，丹的父亲就离开了家人。
And Dan remembered that night vividly, or he thought he did.
丹清楚地记得那个夜晚，或者说他自以为记得。
But he never discussed this with his parents.
但他从未与父母讨论过这件事。
So Dad, Jay encouraged Dan to talk to his parents about this on tape.
所以爸爸杰伊鼓励丹在录音中和他的父母谈论这件事。
And I'm going to play you the story they put together, OK?
我将给你播放他们整理的故事，好吗？
Yeah, I'd like to hear it.
是的，我想听听。
Dan Robb I remember clearly the morning they told me they were separating.
丹·罗布 我清楚地记得他们告诉我他们要分居的那天早上。
I was three, and they leaned over my bed, which was narrow, and told me this, something like, "Don't think this changes anything, but Dad's moving out." And what I remember is telling them that it was not OK.
我三岁的时候，他们靠在我狭窄的床上，告诉我这样的话，“不要认为这会改变任何事情，但爸爸要搬出去了。”我记得告诉他们这是不对的。
Then, later that day, I remember watching my father's back as he walked down the stairs outside the house.
然后，那天晚些时候，我记得当父亲走下屋外的楼梯时，我看着他的背影。
They were cement and had a black wrought iron banister running up both sides.
它们是水泥的，两边都有黑色的锻铁栏杆。
And he was walking down the steps away from me.
他走下台阶，离我越来越远。
He had a brown tweed jacket on and brown leather shoes, and he was carrying two brown suitcases.
他穿着一件棕色花呢夹克和棕色皮鞋，提着两个棕色手提箱。
He put them in his Jeep, back when they still said "Willis" on the side, and he drove away.
当他们还在一边说“威利斯”时，他把他们放进了他的吉普车里，然后他开走了。
The steps were cement steps, pretty steep, about three flights, three little flights, three steps, and then a landing and three steps down.
台阶是水泥台阶，相当陡峭，大约三级，三级小级，三级台阶，然后是一个平台，再向下三级台阶。
And there was something crooked about them.
他们身上有一些扭曲的东西。
one of the steps sort of went off at an angle.
其中一个台阶有点倾斜了。
And there was an iron railing along the way, not very pretty.
而且一路上有铁栏杆，不太漂亮。
Now, if I looked out the window and watched Dad packing his car and then driving away, at that time, what kind of car would it have been?
现在，如果我望向窗外，看到爸爸收拾好车子，然后开走，那个时候，那会是一辆什么样的车呢？
Well, he had bought a little sports car because his car was in the garage, in the shop, and he didn't want to wait till it was ready, which would have been two or three days later.
好吧，他买了一辆小跑车，因为他的车在车库里，在商店里，他不想等到它准备好，那会是两三天后。
And he bought a little car so that he could leave right away.
他还买了一辆小车，这样他就可以马上离开。
And he told me he was leaving on a trip across the country because that's what he had to do in order to clear his mind and get his feet on the ground again.
他告诉我他要出发去全国各地旅行，因为这是他必须做的事情，才能理清思绪，重新站稳脚跟。
So he packed up, and he got in this little sports car and took off.
于是他收拾好行李，坐上这辆小跑车出发了。
What kind of car was it?
那是什么车？
Dan's Dad It was a little Triumph, a little two-door.
丹的爸爸 这是一辆小凯旋，一辆小两门车。
It was a neat little car, which I sort of got special for the trip.
这是一辆整洁的小车，我为这次旅行准备了一辆特别的车。
And I just wanted to-- I just drove out West.
我只是想——我刚刚开车离开西部。
I mean, I just wanted to get away from Pittsburgh and just sort of clear my head out, I thought.
我的意思是，我只是想离开匹兹堡，让自己的头脑清醒一下，我想。
And I remember telling Allison that when I got back, I thought I would want to move out.
我记得告诉艾莉森，当我回来时，我想搬出去。
I had a lot of different feelings.
我有很多不同的感受。
I was angry that he'd done it.
我很生气他这么做了。
I was angry that he hadn't ever taken Dan and me-- you and me on a trip.
我很生气，因为他从来没有带丹和我——你和我去旅行。
And he was walking down the steps away from me, and he was carrying two brown suitcases.
他正从我身边走下台阶，手里提着两个棕色的手提箱。
He put them in his Jeep back when they still said "Willis" on the side, and he drove away.
当他们还在一边说“威利斯”时，他把他们放回吉普车里，然后开走了。
A little while before he left that day, he knelt down in front of me and tightened my belt for me.
那天他临走前不久，跪在我面前，帮我勒紧腰带。
I have a picture of that.
我有一张照片。
His hands are big, bigger than mine will ever be, farmer's hands or a ballplayer's hands.
他的手很大，比我的手还要大，无论是农民的手还是棒球运动员的手。
And he is cinching the belt gently tighter and saying something to me.
他轻轻地把皮带勒紧了，并对我说了些什么。
I mean, I feel bad about all of the sort of gaps when I wasn't there.
我的意思是，当我不在场时，我对所有这些差距感到难过。
And all of that time, I mean, once it's gone, it's gone.
我的意思是，所有这些时间一旦消失，就消失了。
You can never get it back.
你永远无法把它拿回来。
And relationships, in many ways, are built of memories.
从很多方面来说，关系都是由记忆构建的。
And the more memories you have, the deeper the relationship.
而且回忆越多，关系就越深厚。
And if you're missing several years of memories, that's hard.
如果你失去了几年的记忆，那就很难了。
Well, there's a snapshot of his doing your belt up for you when you were probably three or four.
嗯，有一张他在你三四岁的时候为你系腰带的照片。
You were four when he left, weren't you?
他离开时你才四岁，不是吗？
And I don't remember exactly what the season was.
我也不记得具体是什么季节了。
It had to have been fall, I think, because I remember taking a lot of pictures of you in the subsequent weeks when we get together, go to the parks and stuff.
我想那一定是秋天，因为我记得在接下来的几周里，当我们聚在一起、去公园之类的时候，我给你拍了很多照片。
And it was all autumn shots.
这都是秋天的镜头。
And he is cinching the belt gently tighter and saying something to me.
他轻轻地把皮带勒紧了，并对我说了些什么。
I can't make out the words in the picture, which is black and white, and shows me standing there at three years old in front of the big window that let the monochrome Pittsburgh light into the living room.
我看不清照片上的文字，它是黑白的，照片上是我三岁的时候站在大窗户前，匹兹堡的单色光透过窗户射进客厅。
The light is stark, as if all of the coal burned to smelt the steel in that city had burned the color out of the air.
光线很刺眼，仿佛这座城市里所有用来冶炼钢铁的煤炭都把空气中的颜色烧掉了。
And it reflects off his hair, which is smooth with Vitalis, and shows his strong jaw and the depth of his dark eyes.
它反射在他的头发上，维塔利斯的头发光滑，显示出他强壮的下巴和深邃的黑眼睛。
There was no abuse in that household, no harsh words that I could hear.
那个家里没有虐待行为，我听不到严厉的言语。
Just nothing.
只是什么都没有。
No father anymore and my mother sobbing over the dishes in the sink.
不再有父亲了，母亲对着水槽里的盘子哭泣。
What do you think you would have done after he had packed up his car and left?
当他收拾好汽车并离开后，你认为你会做什么？
What would have been your reaction that I might have observed?
如果我观察到你的反应会是什么？
Oh, you probably saw me sad and mournful, but then turning back to the house and trying to look cheerful.
哦，你可能看到我悲伤和哀伤，但随后又转身回到屋里，试图表现出快乐的样子。
But I also felt abandoned, and I felt that it was the end of a marriage, the end of my hopes for marriage, the end of my hopes for a family for you and me.
但我也感到被抛弃了，我觉得这是婚姻的终结，是我对婚姻的希望的终结，是我对你我家庭的希望的终结。
And he left us.
然后他就离开了我们。
But I also felt, as he drove out of sight, well, thank goodness.
但当他驶出视线时，我也感觉到，谢天谢地。
What a sense of relief.
多么轻松的感觉啊。
I am free of all that abuse and misunderstanding and bad feeling that have been going on for so long.
我摆脱了长期以来一直存在的所有虐待、误解和不好的感觉。
I thought, well, at least I can be me now and not try to be something that somebody else was making me be.
我想，好吧，至少我现在可以做我自己，而不是试图成为别人让我成为的人。
The split-up was my doing and coming out sort of a combination of my own immaturity, restlessness, dissatisfaction, inflated hopes, and expectations.
分手是我自己造成的，是我自己的不成熟、不安、不满、膨胀的希望和期望的结合。
And I guess I just felt that I had never had any kind of freedom.
我想我只是觉得我从未拥有过任何自由。
Of course, I mean, I never really found freedom afterwards.
当然，我的意思是，此后我再也没有真正找到自由。
You sort of think, well, you're going to change your life, and then lo and behold, your life turns out to be about the same.
你可能会想，好吧，你将改变你的生活，然后你瞧，你的生活结果几乎是一样的。
I was three when they leaned over my bed, which was narrow, and told me this.
当我三岁的时候，他们靠在我狭窄的床上告诉了我这件事。
Don't think this changes anything, but Dad's moving out.
别以为这会改变什么，但爸爸要搬出去了。
And what I remember is telling them that it was not OK.
我记得告诉他们这是不对的。
I didn't want him to tell you first, and he didn't want me to tell you first.
我不想让他先告诉你，他也不想让我先告诉你。
So we did it together.
所以我们一起做了。
And I remember I knew it was a terrible blow for you.
我记得我知道这对你来说是一个可怕的打击。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Dan's Dad You were in bed, I remember.
丹的爸爸 我记得你当时在床上。
I mean, at least I have this picture in my mind and in that little room at the Maple Heights.
我的意思是，至少我脑子里有这张照片，在枫树高地的那个小房间里。
And I came in, and I said, started to say something like, Dan, I'm going to be leaving, and whatever I was going to say.
我进来了，我开始说，丹，我要走了，以及我要说的任何话。
And you somehow knew what was coming.
而且你不知何故知道将会发生什么。
It was not OK.
不行。
Dan's Dad And you said, I don't want to hear it, and sort of like put a pillow over your head, and didn't want to listen.
丹的爸爸，你说，我不想听，有点像在你头上放了一个枕头，不想听。
And it was a wrenching moment.
这是一个痛苦的时刻。
It really was.
确实如此。
And I mean, I've thought since then that actually, when I walked out of your bedroom that night, that that was really a major turning point in my life.
我的意思是，从那时起我就想，实际上，当我那天晚上走出你的卧室时，那确实是我人生中的一个重大转折点。
And I don't know, to this day, whether it was for good or ill.
直到今天我也不知道这是好还是坏。
When my father left my bedroom, it was a turning point for me, too.
当我父亲离开我的卧室时，这对我来说也是一个转折点。
It was the moment I moved outside the myth of the American family, left it and became a part of something else, something with no affirming mythology to look forward to and my restless memories of that day to look back on.
那一刻，我摆脱了美国家庭的神话，离开了它，成为了其他事物的一部分，这个事物没有任何肯定的神话可以期待，也没有我对那天的不安的记忆可以回顾。
I became a part of divorce, which is like the death of the family.
我成为了离婚的一部分，这就像家庭的死亡。
And I turned down a path less well-marked, less well-lit.
我转身走上了一条路标不那么明显、灯光也不那么亮的路。
But I, unlike my father, no longer wonder if it was for good or for ill.
但我与父亲不同，不再怀疑这是好还是坏。
It just is.
确实如此。
OK, well, I think that's about it, huh?
好吧，我想就这样吧？
This will be on the radio right before Father's Day.
这将在父亲节前夕在广播中播出。
So I'd like to wish you Happy Father's Day.
所以我想祝你父亲节快乐。
Oh, OK.
哦，好吧。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Dan Robb You're welcome.
丹·罗伯 不客气。
And maybe we can make something good out of this.
也许我们可以从中做出一些好事。
Love you, man.
爱你，伙计。
Dan Robb OK, talk to you soon.
丹·罗伯 好吧，很快就和你谈谈。
Jay Allison and Dan Robb made that back in the '90s when we first broadcast today's show.
早在 90 年代我们首次播出今天的节目时，杰伊·艾利森 (Jay Allison) 和丹·罗伯 (Dan Robb) 就做到了。
Hey, Dad.
嘿，爸爸。
Yes, Ira.
是的，伊拉。
Ira Glass Do the next act open, please.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 请开始下一幕。
This whole show is like reconciling with Dad, though you and I, we don't need to reconcile, but.
整个节目就像是和爸爸和解，虽然你和我，我们不需要和解，但是。
No, we don't.
不，我们不。
Ira Glass We don't.
艾拉·格拉斯：我们不知道。
But Dad, this next story is about a father and son.
但是爸爸，下一个故事是关于父子的。
The father was this pretty well-known man here in Chicago named James D.
他的父亲是芝加哥一位非常有名的人，名叫詹姆斯·D·
O'Reilly.
奥莱利.
He was an actor here and a director from the 1960s through the 1980s.
从 20 世纪 60 年代到 80 年代，他是这里的演员和导演。
And among people who went to theater, just, he's one of these people who everybody knew.
在去剧院的人中，他是每个人都认识的人之一。
He was artistic director of the Body Politic Theater and the Court Theater.
他曾担任身体政治剧院和宫廷剧院的艺术总监。
And he wasn't the most reliable dad.
他也不是最可靠的父亲。
And his son is a guy named Beau O'Reilly, who's a playwright and a local musician and stages a lot of theater here in town.
他的儿子名叫博·奥莱利 (Beau O'Reilly)，是一位剧作家和当地音乐家，在镇上举办了很多戏剧表演。
And Beau has this story about his father, including a moment in their lives when they did reconcile, in a way.
博有一个关于他父亲的故事，包括他们生命中在某种程度上和解的时刻。
When I was a little kid, five or six, my father would do these big variety shows, these musical revues for college theater groups.
当我还是个五六岁的小孩子时，我父亲会为大学剧团表演这些大型综艺节目、音乐剧。
And I would often appear with him, playing the bad kid in town or the clown screaming the lines of "This Old Man" from the top of a stepladder.
我经常和他一起出现，扮演镇上的坏孩子或小丑，在活梯顶上尖叫着“这个老人”的台词。
And at the show's end, we would rush first to the bar, where my father knew all the girls' names, and then to the train station to catch the last train home.
演出结束后，我们会先冲到酒吧，那里我父亲知道所有女孩的名字，然后去火车站赶末班车回家。
And I would get very tense then and hot in my stomach, like I was going to burn up and pass out.
然后我会变得非常紧张，胃里很热，就像我要燃烧起来然后昏倒一样。
So we would often miss the last train home and have to spend the long hours till morning waiting in the train station, my father falling quickly asleep, his huge head thrown back in the train waiting room seat.
所以我们经常错过回家的末班车，不得不在火车站等了很长时间直到早上，父亲很快就睡着了，他的大头靠在火车候车室的座位上。
It seemed to hang at an impossible odd angle from the rest of his body like the dot at the bottom of a question mark that knows it has to be there, but hangs odd and unattached.
它似乎以一个不可能的奇怪角度悬挂在他身体的其他部分，就像问号底部的点知道它必须在那里，但悬挂得很奇怪且独立。
And the scene, my father drunk and snoring, a big question mark of a presence, would be repeated numbers of times over the next 25 years.
我父亲喝醉酒打呼噜的场景，是一个很大的问号，在接下来的 25 年里会重复出现很多次。
My father passed out at the family table on Christmas morning, my father nodding off behind the wheel, my father snoring through the still Latin mass, my father's head thrown back in the last row during my high school production of The Glass Menagerie.
圣诞节早上，我的父亲在家庭餐桌上昏倒了，我的父亲在方向盘后面打瞌睡，我的父亲在静止的拉丁弥撒中打着鼾，在我高中制作的《玻璃动物园》中，我父亲的头向后仰在最后一排。
But when he was awake, he was not totally present either.
但当他醒来时，他也没有完全在场。
He was this silent, brooding man home once a week for our family dinner.
他是一个沉默寡言、沉思的人，每周一次回家与我们共进晚餐。
And I would sit up all night in that train station, listening to the muted rumblings of the next morning's diesel engines and the fluttering of pigeons in the ceiling above, my father's snoring made rusty and noisy by too much cigarettes and beer.
我会在火车站里整夜坐着，听着第二天早上柴油发动机的低沉隆隆声和头顶天花板上鸽子的振翅声，我父亲的鼾声因太多的香烟和啤酒而变得生锈和吵闹。
When I was 29, something changed between me and my father.
当我29岁的时候，我和父亲之间发生了一些变化。
I was 29, very drunk most days.
我当时 29 岁，大部分时间都喝得酩酊大醉。
And I came home to Chicago to work for my father, I guess.
我想我回到芝加哥的家是为我父亲工作。
I had rarely seen him in my alcoholic adulthood, his alcoholic adulthood having taken him away from the family circle years ago.
在我酗酒的成年时期，我很少见到他，几年前，他的酗酒成年期就让他远离了家庭圈子。
And when my father, he got me this job as a house manager and sometimes understudy at his theater on Lincoln Avenue.
当我父亲给我找了一份房屋经理的工作，有时还到他位于林肯大道的剧院当替补。
And he was warm and kind about it, I guess.
我猜他对此很热情友善。
This kindness was unusual.
这种善意非比寻常。
It was hard for me to recognize it.
我很难认出它来。
I didn't know whether it was kindness really or not.
我不知道这是否真的是善意。
Maybe he just recognized something in my swaying walk and my overly bright, loud way of speaking, a kindred alcoholic spirit.
也许他只是从我摇摇晃晃的步伐和我过于明亮、大声的说话方式中看出了一些东西，一种相似的酒鬼精神。
We would from then on do our drinking together late nights at the pub next door to the theater, a pub where we could sit for hours, get a burger and a beer, a pub where my father ran a tab, and I was always on the tab.
从那时起，我们会在深夜一起在剧院隔壁的酒吧喝酒，这是一家我们可以坐上几个小时的酒吧，买一个汉堡和一杯啤酒，这是一家我父亲负责付账的酒吧，而我总是在付账。
Now, the pub tables were family long, with my father always at the head and crowded with actors and confidants, all with one ear pointed at my father, hoping for a good joke from him, which usually came, or some word of praise, which came rarer, but when delivered, were always delivered with a flair and a passion.
现在，酒吧里的桌子上都是一家人，我父亲总是走在前面，挤满了演员和知己，所有人都用一只耳朵指着我父亲，希望他能讲一个好笑话（这种情况通常会发生），或者一些赞美之词（这种情况比较少见），但在说出来时，总是充满天赋和热情。
These tables would start full, full of people and huge pints of black Guinness and brown beer, but by 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, they would be empty, except for my father and I.
这些桌子一开始就挤满了人，还有大量的黑吉尼斯啤酒和棕色啤酒，但到了凌晨 1:00 或 2:00，桌子上就空了，除了我和父亲。
Me talking loud and feverish now, lovers and women and broken hearts and politics and plays and broken hearts and lost lovers and lost women and broken hearts.
我现在大声地、狂热地说话，恋人、女人、破碎的心、政治、戏剧、破碎的心、失去的爱人、失去的女人和破碎的心。
And me doing most of the talking, my father nodding and grimacing, looking appropriately sad.
大部分时间都是我在说话，父亲点着头，做了个鬼脸，看上去很悲伤。
But his eyes looking away always, scanning the bodies of the young women who moved about in the pub's waning hours.
但他的目光总是移开，扫视着在酒吧的最后时刻走来走去的年轻女子的身体。
Sometimes these women stopped by the table to speak to my father, him finding sly ways to kiss and touch and pinch them, locking their eyes with his as if his eyes were gift enough to allow him his inappropriate touching.
有时，这些女人会在桌边停下来和我父亲说话，他会想方设法地亲吻、抚摸、捏捏她们，将她们的目光与他的目光锁定，仿佛他的眼睛有足够的天赋，允许他进行不恰当的触摸。
The pub would close with us still in it, the tables having adopted the chairs and now holding them piggyback.
酒吧关门了，我们还在里面，桌子已经取代了椅子，现在把它们背在背上。
And my father would sign his tab with a flourish, and we would part company.
我父亲会用夸张的方式签下他的标签，然后我们就分手了。
Me often watching him walk slowly up Lincoln Avenue, a large man with a lordly old-fashioned head, always aware that he was like something out of Shakespeare or O'Neill.
我经常看着他在林肯大道上慢慢地走着，他是一个身材高大、有着老式头脑的男人，总是意识到他就像莎士比亚或奥尼尔笔下的人物。
He might be swaying, but swaying with a charm and a dignity.
他或许在摇摆，但摇摆中带着魅力和尊严。
The further my father got up the street, the more real he felt to me.
父亲在街上走得越远，我对他的感觉就越真实。
There.
那里。
There.
那里。
That was the father I knew, half a courtyard away under the hot lights doing Shakespeare's Lear or Brecht's Galileo.
那是我认识的父亲，在半个庭院外的炽热灯光下表演莎士比亚的《李尔王》或布莱希特的《伽利略》。
And I would stand on Lincoln Avenue crying, the crying of a 29-year-old drunken baby whose father is moving away, always moving away.
我会站在林肯大道上哭泣，这是一个 29 岁醉酒婴儿的哭声，他的父亲正在搬走，总是搬走。
And that baby knows he's better off having Dad go.
那个婴儿知道他最好让爸爸走。
I learned a lot watching my father's theater that year, wonderful productions of Playboy of the Western World and Ronald Harwood's The Dresser, Brian Friel's Translations.
那一年，我观看父亲的剧院，观看了《西方世界的花花公子》、罗纳德·哈伍德的《梳妆台》、布莱恩·弗里尔的《翻译》的精彩制作，学到了很多东西。
My father's performances were always in the center of the plays.
我父亲的表演总是处于戏剧的中心。
And I was the house manager.
我是房屋经理。
I was skittish in a baggy suit and non-matching vintage ties, greeting the audience at the door, selling them coffee, but mostly watching the performances night after night.
我穿着宽松的西装和不相配的复古领带，在门口迎接观众，向他们推销咖啡，但大部分时间都是夜复一夜地观看表演。
My understudy assignment was not something any of us ever expected to use, but one week, here it comes.
我的替补作业并不是我们任何人都期望使用的东西，但是一个星期，它来了。
An actor could not appear, and I was to play my father's tortured, crippled son.
演员无法出场，而我要扮演我父亲饱受折磨、残疾的儿子。
It was an Irish play about an Irish father and his Irish sons, and I was an Irish son, never mind that I had an Irish brogue like Ringo Starr's Liverpool.
这是一部关于爱尔兰父亲和他的爱尔兰儿子的爱尔兰戏剧，而我是爱尔兰儿子，尽管我有像林戈斯塔尔的利物浦那样的爱尔兰土语。
And I'd never appeared on a professional stage.
而且我从未出现在专业舞台上。
There would be one rehearsal.
会有一场排练。
My father not even on stage, but seated in the audience, chain smoking, hung over, barking orders, orders that moved my body hot and frightened, clumsily around the stage, me mumbling the lines and standing in all the wrong places.
我的父亲甚至不在舞台上，而是坐在观众席上，一根接一根地抽烟，宿醉不醒，大喊着命令，这些命令让我的身体变得又热又害怕，笨拙地在舞台上走来走去，我咕哝着台词，站在所有错误的地方。
And the night of the performance, I was pacing and shaking in the hall outside of the green room where my father and the rest of the cast were making up and preparing to perform.
演出当晚，我在演员休息室外的大厅里踱来踱去，浑身发抖，父亲和其他演员正在那里化妆并准备表演。
I could hear them talking, but they couldn't see me at all.
我能听到他们说话，但他们根本看不到我。
They didn't know I was there.
他们不知道我在那里。
And one of the actors said, with a good actor's projection and precise actor's diction, "Get ready for amateur night." "What did you say?" My father said it quietly, but with force.
其中一位演员以良好的演员投射和精确的措辞说道：“为业余之夜做好准备。” “你说什么？”父亲说得轻声细语，却充满力量。
"Get ready for amateur night." "Well, he'll be fine.
“为业余之夜做好准备。” “嗯，他会没事的。
You worry about yourself.
你担心你自己。
Prick."
刺。”
Now, this is the only time I ever heard my father defend me.
现在，这是我唯一一次听到父亲为我辩护。
And I now realize the significance of that.
我现在意识到了这一点的重要性。
But at the time, I was very angry.
但当时我非常生气。
And it was the anger that burned the fear out of me like a fog on a new hot summer Sunday.
正是愤怒烧掉了我的恐惧，就像新的炎热夏日周日的雾气一样。
And I was fine when I hit the stage.
当我登上舞台时，我感觉很好。
I was understudy good enough.
我已经足够优秀了。
And when I played to my father, his eyes a deep well into the heart of Brian Friel's Translations, I actually enjoyed myself.
当我给父亲演奏时，他的眼睛深深地注视着布莱恩·弗里尔的翻译的核心，我真的很享受。
There were moments of real emotion between us.
我们之间有过一些真正的情感时刻。
And on the stage, my father was really there.
在舞台上，我的父亲真的就在那里。
Like I could reach out and touch him, and he would really be there.
就像我可以伸手触摸他，他真的就在那里。
And when the lights came down, I stumbled offstage, tripping and falling in the dark.
当灯光熄灭时，我跌跌撞撞地走下舞台，在黑暗中绊倒。
My father was waiting, his big, noble actor head shaggy with sweat, his arms open to receive me.
我的父亲正在等待，他那高大、高贵的演员头上满是汗水，张开双臂迎接我。
We, hugging, missed the curtain call-- probable first for my father.
我们拥抱着，错过了谢幕——这可能是我父亲的第一次谢幕。
He was not one to miss a curtain call.
他不是一个会错过谢幕的人。
A few months later, my father fired me during his production of The Dresser by Ronald Harwood.
几个月后，我父亲在制作罗纳德·哈伍德的《梳妆台》时解雇了我。
My father playing Sir, a bullying, tyrannical, Shakespearean actor Sir.
我父亲扮演Sir，一个恃强凌弱、暴虐的莎士比亚演员Sir。
My father was not one to shrink from typecasting.
我的父亲并不是一个在类型转换面前退缩的人。
And one of my assignments was to meet him in the lobby, holding a towel, which he would use to wipe the makeup and sweat from his face before returning to the stage for the curtain call.
我的任务之一是在大厅迎接他，拿着一条毛巾，他会用毛巾擦去脸上的化妆品和汗水，然后返回舞台谢幕。
I wasn't there with the towel.
我不在那儿，拿着毛巾。
I had wandered off to the pub for a pint before the show ended.
演出结束前，我溜达去酒吧喝了一杯。
The truth be told, there were probably many nights when I wasn't there.
说实话，可能有很多个夜晚我都不在。
I was off crying into the phone, running off the long distance phone bill for the theater or selling dope out of the theater concession stand to my friends.
我对着电话哭泣，耗尽剧院的长途电话费，或者在剧院小卖部向我的朋友们出售毒品。
I was 29 and drunk most of the time.
我当时29岁，大部分时间都喝醉了。
And my father, he recognized me for what I was.
而我的父亲，他认出了我的本来面目。
I was becoming very much like him in my 29th year, and perhaps he was embarrassed and uncomfortable having to see himself in me every day.
29 岁时，我变得非常像他，也许他因为每天在我身上看到自己而感到尴尬和不舒服。
And he was fired soon after from his theater on Lincoln Avenue.
不久之后，他就被林肯大道的剧院解雇了。
And we continued to meet in the pub night after night for many months.
几个月来，我们继续夜复一夜地在酒吧见面。
Ira Glass Bill O'Reilly is a Chicago playwright, and he's also the co-host of the Rhinoceros Theater Festival, which today's show is a rerun.
艾拉·格拉斯·比尔·奥莱利 (Ira Glass Bill O'Reilly) 是一位芝加哥剧作家，也是犀牛戏剧节的共同主持人，今天的演出是重播。
It is now in its 34th year.
现在已经是第 34 个年头了。
He'll be performing on July 1 in a tribute to Bob Dylan.
他将于 7 月 1 日进行表演，向鲍勃·迪伦致敬。
["PAPA, CAN YOU HEAR ME?" BY BARBRA STREISAND]
[“爸爸，你能听到我说话吗？”作者：芭芭拉·史翠珊]
Credits Ira Glass So Dad, you're sitting there in a studio in Baltimore.
图片来源：Ira Glass 爸爸，您正坐在巴尔的摩的一间工作室里。
I'm here in Chicago.
我在芝加哥。
Do you have our credits?
你有我们的信用吗？
I do have your credits.
我确实有你的学分。
Ira Glass All right.
艾拉·格拉斯 好吧。
Our program was produced today by Alix Spiegel and Ira Glass with Peter Clowney, Nancy Updike, and Dolores Wiber.
今天我们的节目由阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、艾拉·格拉斯、彼得·克劳尼、南希·厄普代克和多洛雷斯·韦伯共同制作。
Our contributing editors are Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, and the fabulous Margy Rochlin.
我们的特约编辑是 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt 和出色的 Margy Rochlin。
Special thanks today to Bob Carlson at KCRW in Santa Monica for recording Sandra Tsing Loh, her father, and the band, Boy Hits Car, and to Dave Johnson at WJHU, the fabulous Dave Johnson for getting my dad on tape and out here.
今天特别感谢圣塔莫尼卡 KCRW 的鲍勃·卡尔森 (Bob Carlson) 为 Sandra Tsing Loh、她的父亲和乐队 Boy Hits Car 录制了唱片，还要感谢 WJHU 的戴夫·约翰逊 (Dave Johnson)，出色的戴夫·约翰逊 (Dave Johnson) 将我的父亲录制成磁带并来到这里。
Music help today from Chicago's John Connors.
今天芝加哥的约翰·康纳斯提供了音乐帮助。
The story about Dan Robb's father leaving comes from Jay Allison's series, Life Stories, which is funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the National Endowment for the Arts.
丹·罗伯父亲离开的故事来自杰·艾利森的系列剧《生活故事》，该系列剧由公共广播公司和国家艺术基金会资助。
That was so smooth.
就这样顺利了。
Additional help in today's rerun from Matt Tierney, Stowe Nelson, and Alaa Mostafa.
马特·蒂尔尼、斯托·尼尔森和阿拉·莫斯塔法为今天的重播提供了额外帮助。
Also worth mentioning Boy Hits Car, the band that we heard from in Act 1, has a new album coming out later this year, 2023.
另外值得一提的是，我们在第一幕中听到的乐队 Boy Hits Car 将于今年晚些时候（即 2023 年）发行一张新专辑。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And I'm Barry Glass.
我是巴里·格拉斯。
Ira Glass Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 下周将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
Till then, don't drive like my father.
在那之前，不要像我父亲那样开车。
Don't drive like my son.
别像我儿子一样开车。
This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。