80: Running After Antelope - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass At this point, all Chris McKinney has is a positive attitude, because, frankly, the facts do not look too promising.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 此时，克里斯·麦金尼所拥有的只是积极的态度，因为，坦白说，事实看起来不太乐观。
What am I talking about?
我在说什么？
I'm talking about man against nature, one boy's story.
我说的是人与自然的对抗，一个男孩的故事。
Every weekend, 17-year-old Chris McKinney wades out into knee-deep water, alone, with a shovel, and a wooden contraption, and nylon sandbags.
每个周末，17 岁的克里斯·麦金尼 (Chris McKinney) 都会独自带着铲子、木制装置和尼龙沙袋涉入齐膝深的水中。
And he proceeds to fill 20 sandbags, 50 pounds each, one at a time.
他开始装满 20 个沙袋，每个沙袋重 50 磅，一次一个。
I take it out of the sandbag holder, and I tie the top to the sandbag.
我把它从沙袋架上拿出来，然后把顶部绑在沙袋上。
And I carry it over to the sandbag wall and stack it where it needs to be stacked.
我把它搬到沙袋墙上，堆放在需要堆放的地方。
And that's about it.
就是这样。
I mean there's not a whole lot to it.
我的意思是，没有太多内容。
Doing this for a full day, Chris can add about five feet to his sandbag wall.
这样做一整天，克里斯可以将他的沙袋墙增加大约五英尺。
It's not much.
并不多。
He's putting his wall on a thin strip of beach, a strip that's barely wide enough to stand on in Mason Neck State Park in Virginia.
他正在把自己的墙建在弗吉尼亚州梅森内克州立公园的一条细长的海滩上，这条海滩的宽度几乎不足以站立。
The shore here is eroding at the rate of two feet a year, so fast that the ground has collapsed underneath the trees at the edge of the beach.
这里的海岸正在以每年两英尺的速度被侵蚀，速度之快以至于海滩边缘树木下面的地面都塌陷了。
For half a mile, these huge, 60 and 70 foot trees have toppled over into the water, one after another, because the ground holding them upright is gone.
在半英里的范围内，这些 60 英尺和 70 英尺高的巨大树木接连倒在水中，因为支撑它们直立的地面已经消失。
It's complete devastation.
这是彻底的毁灭。
And there, in the middle of it, is Chris's tiny sandbag wall.
在它的中间，是克里斯的小沙袋墙。
Yeah, it's the sandbag wall.
没错，就是沙袋墙。
Ira Glass He's been at it for a month and a half.
Ira Glass：他已经这么做了一个半月了。
And it's just a fraction of what it needs to be.
这只是所需的一小部分。
He's trying to protect this one small stretch of beach where there's a path, this pathway that's about to be eroded out of existence.
他正在努力保护一小片海滩，那里有一条小路，这条小路即将被侵蚀而消失。
His wall is just 30 feet long.
他的墙只有 30 英尺长。
And that's probably-- I don't know-- a third or maybe a fourth of what it needs to be.
这可能是——我不知道——所需数量的三分之一或四分之一。
And Chris has a deadline.
克里斯有一个最后期限。
That's December 19.
那是12月19日。
That's my 18th birthday.
那是我 18 岁生日。
Chris is doing this project as one of the requirements to become an Eagle Scout.
克里斯正在做这个项目，作为成为一名鹰级童子军的要求之一。
His fear, by the time he finishes the sandbag wall, he will be too old to be a scout.
他担心，当他完成沙袋墙时，他已经太老了，无法成为一名侦察兵。
Once you turn 18, you're out of scouting.
一旦你年满18岁，你就不再从事球探工作了。
You must be getting frustrated at how long it takes?
您一定对需要多长时间感到沮丧吗？
Well, slightly.
嗯，稍微。
Usually, I'm frustrated when the friends I've known for a while, they'll tell me they'll help out, but they don't always show up.
通常，当我认识了一段时间的朋友告诉我他们会帮忙，但他们并不总是出现时，我会感到沮丧。
But I understand.
但我明白。
There are things I'd rather do on Saturday than do an Eagle project.
有些事情我宁愿在周六做，也不愿做 Eagle 项目。
But it is my Eagle project.
但这是我的 Eagle 项目。
And no one else is going come out there.
而且没有其他人会出来。
Have you ever read those stories about people who just get a big mission in their head, and they're just going to make it happen no matter what?
你有没有读过那些关于人们的故事，他们脑子里有一个伟大的使命，并且无论如何他们都会让它实现？
Right.
正确的。
Well yeah, Christopher Columbus was one of them.
是的，克里斯托弗·哥伦布就是其中之一。
So yeah, I've heard a lot of those stories.
是的，我听过很多这样的故事。
I'm pretty sure I'm one of those people.
我很确定我就是这些人中的一员。
I can do this.
我可以做到这一点。
Do you feel like this is one of those stories?
你觉得这是这些故事之一吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Well, not as big as those.
嗯，没有那么大。
But whatever I set my mind to, I'm definitely capable of doing.
但无论我下定决心做什么，我绝对有能力做到。
And I know I can do it.
我知道我能做到。
I'm confident.
我有信心。
Chris said this to me over and over in different ways.
克里斯用不同的方式一遍又一遍地对我说这句话。
And I have to say as an outsider, unless he gets his entire Boy Scout troop in there helping out, it is really hard to see how he is going to finish this wall.
我不得不说，作为一个局外人，除非他让整个童子军都在那里帮忙，否则真的很难看出他将如何完成这堵墙。
But when you're against nature, trying to do something so much bigger than you are, what else can you say?
但当你违背自然，试图做比你更大的事情时，你还能说什么呢？
So positive attitude is 90% of it, right there.
所以积极的态度占了90%，就在那里。
And I like to think I'm pretty positive about this.
我想我对此非常乐观。
So 90% of it is already done.
所以90%已经完成了。
The worst is already behind me.
最坏的情况已经过去了。
And it only gets better from here.
从这里开始，一切只会变得更好。
Anything else?
还要别的吗？
For somebody who is so confident, you sure are saying it a lot.
对于一个如此自信的人来说，你确实说了很多。
Well, I always have to tell myself these things, because sometimes I get unsure.
嗯，我总是必须告诉自己这些事情，因为有时我不确定。
And if I ever let any doubt in my head, it'll just multiply.
如果我心里有任何疑问，它只会成倍增加。
It doesn't die.
它不会死。
It multiplies.
它会倍增。
And to keep that out of my head, I just have to keep on saying the right thing.
为了不让这种情况发生在我的脑海中，我只需要继续说正确的话。
Just, oh yeah, you're almost done.
只是，哦，是的，你快完成了。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥和国际公共广播电台，这是《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, people competing with nature in contests they might not win.
今天在我们的节目中，人们与自然进行竞争，他们可能不会获胜。
Act One, Running After Antelope.
第一幕，追赶羚羊。
We have the latest installment in Scott Carrier's 12-year quest to chase and catch an animal that runs 40 miles an hour by foot.
我们迎来了斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 长达 12 年的探索之旅的最新一期，他的任务是追逐并捕捉一只时速 40 英里的步行动物。
Act Two, children derail a network television show, the true story of how 200 eight-year-olds wreaked havoc in one of the most controlled settings known to man, a late-night network talk show, in this case, Conan O'Brien's.
第二幕，孩子们破坏了一个网络电视节目，讲述了 200 名 8 岁孩子如何在人类已知的最受控制的环境之一——深夜网络脱口秀节目——柯南·奥布莱恩的脱口秀节目中造成严重破坏的真实故事。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Running After Antelope.
第一幕，追赶羚羊。
Humans' dominion over nature is so complete that most of us never get into a competition with nature where we can not come out on top.
人类对自然的统治是如此彻底，以至于我们大多数人从来没有与自然进行过竞争，以至于无法脱颖而出。
Well, Scott Carrier has this story, a story about somebody trying to do something that seems, on its face, impossible.
斯科特·卡里尔（Scott Carrier）有这样一个故事，一个关于某人试图做一些表面上看来不可能的事情的故事。
And about why he'd want to, and about how he tried to keep a positive attitude.
以及他为什么想要这样做，以及他如何努力保持积极的态度。
It's also partly a story about how humans became humans, about the moment that we became bipedal, that is the moment that we stood upright on two feet and separated from the apes.
这在一定程度上也是一个关于人类如何成为人类的故事，关于我们成为两足动物的那一刻，也就是我们用两只脚直立并与猿类分开的那一刻。
For 12 years, Scott wanted to prove that we stood on two feet, as a species, to run.
12 年来，斯科特一直想证明，作为一个物种，我们是用两只脚站立来奔跑的。
1963.
1963年。
The hunt begins at dawn, my brother pulling me out of bed onto the floor.
狩猎从黎明开始，我哥哥把我从床上拉到地板上。
"C'mon, c'mon." I'm tying my shoes.
“来吧，来吧。”我正在系鞋带。
And he's out the door.
他就在门外。
Outside, the fog is lifting off the grass.
外面，雾气正从草地上消散。
I'm looking for my brother.
我正在寻找我的兄弟。
But I can't even see the car in the driveway.
但我什至看不到车道上的汽车。
Then he comes running from the backyard.
然后他从后院跑过来。
I jump and run and catch up with him across the street in the Mander's backyard.
我又跳又跑，在曼德家后院的街对面追上了他。
And he says, "Some animals sleep in the daytime and go out at night to eat.
他说：“有些动物白天睡觉，晚上出去吃东西。
If we hurry, we can catch them before they go back in the ground."
如果我们抓紧时间，我们就能在他们回到地下之前抓住他们。”
I believe him.
我相信他。
I have no idea how he knows these things, but he does.
我不知道他是怎么知道这些事情的，但他确实知道。
He goes out and runs through our neighbors' yards and catches wild animals with his bare hands, mainly lizards, turtles and snakes.
他出去跑过邻居家的院子，徒手捕捉野生动物，主要是蜥蜴、乌龟和蛇。
He wraps them in his shirt and brings them back to the cages in our basement so he can study them for science.
他把它们包裹在衬衫里，然后带回我们地下室的笼子里，这样他就可以对它们进行科学研究。
He's seven years old.
他今年七岁了。
I am six.
我六岁了。
I'm running along behind him.
我跟在他后面跑。
And when I lose him in the fog, I follow the tracks he leaves in the dew on the grass.
当我在雾中迷失他时，我会追踪他在草地上的露珠中留下的痕迹。
I catch up to him.
我追上了他。
And he's down on his hands and knees, crawling through the juniper bushes in front of the Gooch's house.
他手脚并用，在古奇家门前的杜松丛中爬行。
He says, "There is a garter snake in there.
他说：“里面有一条袜带蛇。
I saw it.
我看到了。
It went right in front of me." He's crawling around, breaking branches, and I hear the front door open.
它就在我面前。”他爬来爬去，折断树枝，我听到前门打开了。
And there's our neighbor, Daisy Gooch, in her bathrobe.
我们的邻居黛西·古奇 (Daisy Gooch) 穿着浴袍。
She looks 10 feet tall and 900 hundred years old, and says, "What's going on out here?" I say, "There's a snake in your bush." She says, "There's no snake in my bush.
她看起来有 10 英尺高，有 900 万岁，问道：“这里发生了什么事？”我说：“你的灌木丛里有一条蛇。”她说：“我的灌木丛里没有蛇。
You boys get out of here now." And she starts for us with her broom.
你们这些孩子现在就离开这里。”她拿着扫帚为我们出发。
We take off running.
我们出发奔跑。
We don't need to run that far.
我们不需要跑那么远。
It's not like she's going to come after us.
她不会来追我们的。
But we keep running anyway.
但我们还是继续奔跑。
We jump the fence at Finn Gerholdt's house.
我们跳过芬·格霍特家的栅栏。
And we're on the golf course, heading toward the gully.
我们在高尔夫球场上，朝着沟壑前进。
My brother says, "I think I figured out a way to run and not get tired.
我哥哥说：“我想我找到了一种跑步而不累的方法。
It's all in how you breathe.
这一切都取决于你如何呼吸。
Yesterday, I ran over to the gully and down to the river and back, and I didn't get out of breath.
昨天，我跑到沟壑，跑到河边，又跑回来，没有气喘吁吁。
I think I can run as far as I want." "Like the Indians," I say.
我想我可以跑多远。” “就像印第安人一样，”我说。
"Yeah, like the Indians." We have everything we need.
“是的，就像印第安人一样。”我们拥有我们需要的一切。
The wilderness is unfolding in front of us.
荒野正在我们面前展开。
1982.
1982年。
My brother is a master's student in the biology department at the University of Utah.
我哥哥是犹他大学生物系的硕士生。
And he works in Dr. Dennis Bramble's laboratory in the basement of the building.
他在大楼地下室的丹尼斯·布兰布尔博士的实验室工作。
He has asked me to help him with an experiment.
他请我帮他做一个实验。
He shows me the inside of the lab's freezer, full of dead animals, road kill he's picked up or animals he's had to kill himself for science.
他向我展示了实验室冰箱的内部，里面装满了死去的动物、他捡到的路上杀死的动物或者他为了科学而不得不自杀的动物。
He is studying to be a vertebrate morphologist.
他正在学习成为一名脊椎动物形态学家。
For the experiment, we walk over to the football stadium, which is empty except for us.
为了进行实验，我们走到足球场，除了我们之外，足球场空无一人。
He fastens a Styrofoam cup over my mouth.
他将一个聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料杯盖在我的嘴上。
The cup has a wireless microphone inside of it.
杯子里面有一个无线麦克风。
He straps another microphone to my right ankle.
他将另一个麦克风绑在我的右脚踝上。
Then he says, "OK, run around the track.
然后他说：“好吧，绕着跑道跑。
Run a mile." I run four laps, and it's not easy.
跑一英里。”我跑了四圈，这并不容易。
I'm out of shape from smoking too much.
我因抽烟太多而身体不好。
I tell my brother, "I'm sorry." And he says, "That's OK.
我对弟弟说：“对不起。”他说：“没关系。
That's why I asked you.
这就是我问你的原因。
We need data from bad runners."
我们需要不良跑步者的数据。”
I ask him what he's doing.
我问他在做什么。
And he says, "We, Dennis and I, are studying how animals breathe when they run.
他说：“我们，丹尼斯和我，正在研究动物奔跑时如何呼吸。
When quadrupeds gallop-- animals like horses and dogs and cats-- they have to inhale every time they stretch out in their stride and then exhale when they come forward with their back legs.
当四足动物（如马、狗和猫）驰骋时，它们每次大步伸展时都必须吸气，然后在后腿向前迈出时呼气。
It's because of the way their diaphragm is connected to their backbone.
这是因为它们的隔膜与骨干的连接方式。
But in humans, our diaphragms don't have that connection.
但在人类中，我们的隔膜没有这种联系。
And we can breathe in whatever pattern we want to or need to."
我们可以呼吸任何我们想要或需要的模式。”
"So why is that important or interesting?" I say.
“那么为什么这很重要或有趣呢？”我说。
And he says, "Humans are really good endurance runners.
他说：“人类确实是优秀的耐力跑者。
I know I can outrun a dog.
我知道我能跑得过狗。
And I think I can maybe outrun a horse on a hot day.
我想在大热天我也许能跑得比马快。
So for some reason, we've evolved this way.
所以出于某种原因，我们已经以这种方式进化了。
And maybe the way we breathe might have something to do with it.
也许我们呼吸的方式可能与此有关。
Why can we run farther than just about any other animal?"
为什么我们能比任何其他动物跑得更远？”
"Well, how do you explain it?" I ask.
“那你怎么解释呢？”我问。
And he says, "I think bipedalism might be an adaptation for endurance running, and that maybe our earliest ancestors could run down big game without using any weapons at all.
他说：“我认为两足行走可能是耐力跑的一种适应，也许我们最早的祖先可以在不使用任何武器的情况下跑完大型动物。
I found ethnographic accounts of primitive people who are able to do it.
我找到了能够做到这一点的原始人的民族志记录。
The Tarahumara in Mexico could run down deer.
墨西哥的塔拉乌马拉河可能会撞倒鹿。
The Aborigines in Australia could run down kangaroo.
澳大利亚的原住民可以杀死袋鼠。
The Goshutes and Navajo here in the West are said to have been able to run down pronghorn antelope.
据说西部的戈舒特人和纳瓦霍人能够追倒叉角羚。
"I tried it last summer with some antelope in Wyoming, just for an hour or so.
“去年夏天我在怀俄明州与一些羚羊一起尝试过，只持续了一个小时左右。
And they basically ditched me.
他们基本上抛弃了我。
But I want to try it again.
但我想再试一次。
I could use some help, if you want to do it." I say, "You want to try to run down an antelope?" And he says, "I don't know if we can, but I think we should try it."
如果你想的话，我可以提供一些帮助。”我说，“你想尝试跑掉一只羚羊吗？”他说，“我不知道我们是否可以，但我认为我们应该尝试一下。”
1984.
1984年。
In the summer, my brother and I go to Wyoming to try to run down an antelope.
夏天，我和弟弟去怀俄明州尝试追捕羚羊。
The idea is not to run faster than the antelope-- only cheetahs can run faster than pronghorn antelope-- but to run longer and farther in the heat of the day.
这个想法并不是要跑得比羚羊快——只有猎豹才能跑得比叉角羚跑得快——而是要在炎热的天气里跑得更远、更远。
My brother thinks it'll take about two hours, and then the antelope will overheat and collapse.
我哥哥认为大约需要两个小时，然后羚羊就会过热而崩溃。
We drive off the interstate and down a dirt road for a few miles.
我们驶离州际公路，沿着土路行驶了几英里。
And it's a wide and open high desert of sagebrush, dry as a bone, mountains in every direction.
这是一片广阔而开阔的高山艾树沙漠，干得像骨头一样，四面八方都是山脉。
And there are antelope everywhere, in pairs, in clusters, in families, by themselves.
到处都有羚羊，成对的、成群的、家庭的、单独的。
We stop the car and start running after three, a buck and two does.
我们停下车，在三块钱、一块钱和两块钱之后开始奔跑。
They run very quickly but for short distances, and then stop and stare at us until we catch up.
他们跑得很快，但跑的距离很短，然后停下来盯着我们看，直到我们追上。
And then they take off again.
然后他们再次起飞。
Sometimes, they run a quarter of a mile, sometimes a half mile.
有时，他们跑四分之一英里，有时半英里。
My brother is a much better runner than I am.
我哥哥的跑步能力比我好得多。
And I'm way behind, looking out for sagebrush and rattlesnakes and cactus, tired already, but laughing.
我远远落在后面，寻找山艾树、响尾蛇和仙人掌，已经很累了，但还在笑。
It's a lot of fun, a lot more fun than running down the street or even up in the mountains.
这很有趣，比在街上跑步甚至在山上跑步有趣得多。
I keep my brother in sight, and although I sometimes lose the antelope, I can tell they're running in a broad arc, clockwise.
我让我的兄弟在我的视线范围内，虽然我有时会失去羚羊，但我可以看出它们正在顺时针方向呈宽弧线奔跑。
And so I aim to cut them off.
所以我的目标是切断它们。
And it works.
它有效。
I catch up with them, even ahead of my brother.
我追上了他们，甚至领先于我的兄弟。
And they stand there and let me get within 50 yards of them.
他们站在那里，让我进入距离他们 50 码以内的地方。
Antelope have big black guys, eyes the size you'd see in a horse.
羚羊有黑色的大个子，眼睛和马一样大。
And they look at me like they know exactly what I'm proposing, and they're not in the least bit worried.
他们看着我，好像他们完全知道我的建议，而且一点也不担心。
They look at me, and I stare back, and this goes on for maybe a couple of minutes.
他们看着我，我也凝视着他们，这种情况可能持续了几分钟。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I can't say, because something happens.
我不能说，因为有些事情发生了。
It's like being hypnotized or like being abducted by aliens who take me to another planet, where they do things to me I can't remember before they bring me back to the exact same place, and only a few seconds have elapsed.
这就像被催眠或被外星人绑架，他们把我带到另一个星球，在那里他们对我做了一些我不记得的事情，然后他们把我带回同一个地方，而且只过去了几秒钟。
Then suddenly, the antelopes jerk and fly off running.
突然，羚羊猛地一抖，飞走了。
And I turn and see my brother coming up all red and sweaty.
我转过身，看到我弟弟满脸通红、满头大汗地走过来。
We chase them over another little hill.
我们追着他们翻过另一座小山。
And on the other side, there are now eight of them.
而另一边，现在已经有八个人了。
So we follow the eight for a little ways.
所以我们跟随这八点走一些路。
And then they split into three groups that all go in different directions.
然后他们分成三组，各自走向不同的方向。
We can't tell which group has even one of the antelope we started chasing.
我们甚至不知道哪个群体拥有我们开始追逐的一只羚羊。
They all look so much alike, especially from a distance.
他们看起来都非常相似，尤其是从远处看。
But we choose two does, and follow them.
但我们选择两个并遵循它们。
And they run over another little hill.
他们跑过另一座小山。
And on the other side, all of a sudden, there are 20 of them, running as a herd.
而另一边，突然有二十只，成群奔跑。
Following this herd is like following a school of fish.
跟随这群鱼就像跟随一群鱼。
They blend and flow and change positions.
它们混合、流动、改变位置。
There are no individuals, but a mass that moves across the desert like a pool of mercury on a glass table.
这里没有个体，而是一群在沙漠中移动的物体，就像玻璃桌上的一池水银。
They split again, burst into five pieces, and it's just too confusing.
它们再次分裂，爆成五块，实在是太混乱了。
We can't tell whether we're chasing animals that have run for two minutes or 20 minutes or two hours.
我们无法判断我们正在追赶的是跑了两分钟、二十分钟还是两个小时的动物。
I catch up with my brother.
我追上了我的兄弟。
And he says, "Man, did you see them run?
他说：“伙计，你看到他们跑了吗？
They just zoom, and they're gone." I ask him how we're going to get around how they group up and split like that.
它们只是放大，然后就消失了。”我问他我们将如何解决它们像这样聚集和分裂的问题。
And he says, "I don't know.
他说：“我不知道。
I've been thinking about it.
我一直在想。
And I don't know."
我不知道。”
"Well, what do you think we should do?" I ask him.
“嗯，你认为我们应该做什么？”我问他。
And he says, "I think we should try it again.
他说：“我认为我们应该再试一次。
Let's go find some more." And so we do.
我们去寻找更多吧。”于是我们就这么做了。
We chase them on and off for two days.
我们断断续续地追了他们两天。
But basically, they just ditch us every time.
但基本上，他们每次都会抛弃我们。
My brother has gone away to get a PhD at a big university back east.
我哥哥去东部一所大大学攻读博士学位。
The campus is flat and surrounded by trees.
校园地势平坦，绿树成荫。
He no longer thinks about chasing antelope.
他不再想追羚羊了。
He studies lizards now.
他现在研究蜥蜴。
I stay in Salt Lake, pacing my life by the changing traffic lights, the blinking turn signals, the bouncing checks.
我住在盐湖城，通过不断变化的交通灯、闪烁的转向灯和跳动的支票来调整我的生活节奏。
I have no desire to participate in the market economy or the democratic process.
我无意参与市场经济或民主进程。
I have no goals or ambitions other than to someday go back to the desert with my brother and try again to run down an antelope.
我没有任何目标或野心，只是有一天和我的兄弟一起回到沙漠，再次尝试追赶羚羊。
I have a plan, and I'm trying to follow it.
我有一个计划，并且我正在努力遵循它。
But it's hard.
但这很难。
It's a hard plan to follow.
这是一个很难遵循的计划。
I'm trying to get in shape.
我正在努力保持身材。
And I'm trying to live like a primitive man.
我正在努力像一个原始人一样生活。
Sometimes, I feel like I'm not succeeding at either one.
有时，我觉得我在这两方面都没有取得成功。
I've read a lot about primitive cultures.
我读过很多有关原始文化的书。
And I use that term, "primitive," in the sense that it means original or primary.
我使用“原始”这个词，意思是原始的或主要的。
For maybe 99% of human history, a few million years, humans were hunters.
在人类历史的 99% 的时间里，也就是几百万年里，人类都是猎人。
They didn't get up and go to work each morning.
他们每天早上都没有起床去上班。
That started with civilization.
这要从文明开始。
And civilization is nothing but a heartbeat of recent time, 10,000 years at the most.
而文明只不过是近代的心跳，最多一万年。
And to hell with that.
见鬼去吧。
I want to wake up naked and alone in the desert.
我想在沙漠中赤身裸体地醒来。
I want to eat sand and drink piss and pass out screaming from sunburn and spider bites.
我想吃沙子、喝尿，然后因晒伤和蜘蛛咬伤而尖叫着昏过去。
But I know it won't work, and I know it won't happen, either because I'm a coward, or unable, or it's just not possible at all for anyone.
但我知道这行不通，也知道这不会发生，要么因为我是个胆小鬼，要么因为我无能，要么这对任何人来说都是不可能的。
Even if I were to wake up naked and alone in the wilderness, I'd still wake up thinking and making sense of myself and the world around me in modern English.
即使我在荒野中赤裸裸地醒来，我仍然会用现代英语思考和理解自己和周围的世界。
And there's no way I can get around that.
我没有办法解决这个问题。
So I'm stuck with choosing not to participate, to live apart in any way I can think of.
所以我不得不选择不参与，以我能想到的任何方式分开生活。
My wife used to like it.
我妻子以前很喜欢它。
I think maybe that's why she wanted to marry me.
我想也许这就是她想嫁给我的原因。
But now we have kids, and she sort of changed her mind.
但现在我们有了孩子，她改变了主意。
I try to get in shape by running in the mountains and skiing cross country.
我尝试通过山地跑步和越野滑雪来保持体形。
I smoke marijuana and eat LSD and go out and try to go farther farther.
我吸大麻，吃LSD，然后出去尝试走得更远。
And at best, I eventually get lost and deeply humbled, and almost die trying to make it back.
充其量，我最终会迷失方向并深感谦卑，并在试图回来的过程中差点丧命。
This is my training.
这是我的训练。
And at times, not that infrequently, when I'm out there, I feel like I've made the right choice, and that I'm learning a lot and getting stronger.
有时，当我在外面时，我感觉自己做出了正确的选择，而且我学到了很多东西并且变得更加强大，这种情况并不少见。
But most the time, I'm not out there.
但大多数时候，我都不在外面。
Most of the time, I'm down in the city slaving away and feeling depressed.
大多数时候，我在城市里埋头苦干，心情郁闷。
Perhaps my best success so far is realizing that I can get lost and almost die without ever leaving home.
也许迄今为止我最大的成功是意识到我足不出户就可能迷路甚至差点死去。
And that the best test of endurance is just to persist, or rather to insist from day to day in believing that it is possible to run down an antelope.
对耐力的最好考验就是坚持，或者更确切地说，日复一日地坚持，相信有可能追倒羚羊。
And that it must be done, and that I am the one who must do it.
这件事必须要做，而我就是必须做这件事的人。
1992.
1992年。
I've read everything I can find in the university library that's been written on antelope, which really isn't all that much.
我读完了大学图书馆能找到的所有关于羚羊的文章，但其实并不多。
They're still somewhat mysterious and unknown animals, even for the scientists who study them.
即使对于研究它们的科学家来说，它们仍然是有点神秘和未知的动物。
According to Stan Lindstedt, a biologist living in Flagstaff, Arizona, the pronghorn are the best endurance athletes in the world.
居住在亚利桑那州弗拉格斯塔夫的生物学家斯坦·林斯特表示，叉角羚是世界上最好的耐力运动员。
They metabolize oxygen at a rate three and a half times higher than even the finest human runners.
他们代谢氧气的速度甚至比最优秀的人类跑步者还要高出三倍半。
They have twice as much blood, and their hearts and lungs are three times the size of a mammal of comparable weight.
它们的血液量是同等重量哺乳动物的两倍，心脏和肺的大小是同等重量哺乳动物的三倍。
They can run the equivalent of a marathon in 40 minutes, and can easily maintain a speed of 40 miles an hour for more than 60 minutes.
他们可以在 40 分钟内跑完相当于马拉松的速度，并且可以轻松地保持每小时 40 英里的速度超过 60 分钟。
They have no body fat whatsoever.
他们体内没有任何脂肪。
In 1850, there were 60 million antelope in North America, but they were nearly wiped out along with the Buffalo.
1850年，北美有6000万只羚羊，但它们几乎与水牛一起灭绝。
There are about a million left today.
今天大约还剩下一百万。
They're said to have 10x vision, which means that, on a clear night, they can see the rings of Saturn.
据说它们有 10 倍的视力，这意味着在晴朗的夜晚，它们可以看到土星环。
They eat mainly sagebrush, but also rabbitbrush, salt sage, winterfat, fourwing [?
他们主要吃山艾树，但也吃兔草、盐鼠尾草、冬肥、四翅[？
saltbush, ?] and fireweed, summer cypress.
滨藜，？]和杂草，夏柏树。
I'm trying to learn what these plants look like.
我想了解这些植物长什么样。
1993.
1993年。
I found an old ethnography dated 1935 on the Tarahumara, one of the tribes my brother said can run down big game.
我在塔拉乌马拉发现了一本 1935 年的古老民族志，我哥哥说塔拉乌马拉是这个部落可以捕猎大型动物的部落之一。
And he's right.
他是对的。
It seems that they at least used to do it.
看来他们至少曾经这样做过。
This is a passage from the book.
这是书中的一段话。
"The Tarahumara keep the deer constantly on the move.
“塔拉乌马拉人让鹿不断迁徙。
Only occasionally does he get a glimpse of his quarry, but follows it unerringly through his own canny ability to read the tracks.
他只是偶尔瞥见他的猎物，但通过他自己精明的解读踪迹的能力，准确无误地跟踪它。
The Indian chases the deer until the creature falls from exhaustion, often with its hooves completely worn away.
印第安人追逐鹿，直到鹿因精疲力尽而倒下，通常鹿的蹄子已经完全磨损。
It's then throttled by the man or killed by the dogs."
然后它会被人掐死或被狗杀死。”
But then of course, this was written by a couple of anthropologists who didn't actually go out and hunt with the Indians.
当然，这是由几位人类学家写的，他们实际上并没有和印第安人一起出去打猎。
And so their report is basically hearsay.
所以他们的报告基本上是道听途说。
There's no way to know whether it's actually true.
没有办法知道这是否属实。
There seems to be no doubt, though, that the Tarahumara are crazy about running.
不过，毫无疑问，塔拉乌马拉人对跑步非常着迷。
Another ethnography I found describes these races they had where a group of men from a village eat peyote and smear themselves with white grease and run as a team, tossing a leather ball the size of a Hacky Sack down a trail with their toes.
我发现的另一本民族志描述了他们举行的比赛，一群来自村庄的男人吃佩奥特仙人掌，在身上涂上白色油脂，然后作为一个团队奔跑，用脚趾沿着小路扔一个哈基麻袋大小的皮球。
They run for three days, close to 300 miles.
他们跑了三天，接近300英里。
And the winning team gets to sleep with all the available women in the local village.
获胜的队伍可以和当地村庄里所有有空的女人一起睡觉。
This is the way I want to live.
这就是我想要的生活方式。
1991.
1991年。
My brother spent five years in Ann Arbor, Michigan, trying to get a PhD.
我哥哥在密歇根州安娜堡度过了五年，试图获得博士学位。
And it seems like the whole thing is killing him.
看起来整件事都快要了他的命。
He's developed a heart condition called a ventricular fibrillation, which means that the upper and lower chambers beat out of sync with each other, and his blood doesn't circulate.
他患有一种称为心室颤动的心脏病，这意味着上心室和下心室跳动不同步，并且他的血液不循环。
It happens only for short periods.
它只发生很短的一段时间。
And it happens only when he's really tired or extremely tense and nervous, like when he runs too far or right before he has to defend his dissertation.
这种情况只有在他真的很累或者极度紧张和紧张的时候才会发生，比如当他在论文答辩之前跑得太远或者快要跑的时候。
He suddenly feels woozy and has to sit down.
他突然感到头晕目眩，不得不坐下来。
Sometimes he passes out.
有时他会昏倒。
I've written a letter to his advisor, and I've come to Ann Arbor to hand deliver it.
我已经给他的顾问写了一封信，我来到安娜堡亲自递交了这封信。
"Dear Dr. Renzer, I assume that you're aware of my brother's heart condition and probably even believe you understand the pathology involved.
“亲爱的伦泽医生，我认为您了解我兄弟的心脏病，甚至可能相信您了解所涉及的病理学。
Let me be perfectly clear.
让我说得非常清楚。
If my brother dies while under your supervision, you can kiss your own sweet ass goodbye."
如果我的兄弟在你的监督下死了，你就可以跟自己的甜蜜的屁股吻别了。”
I drive into town late Sunday night, and the doors to the biology building are locked.
周日深夜，我开车进城，生物大楼的门锁着。
I've been here a couple times before, and I sort of remember where my brother's lab is located.
我以前来过这里几次，我还记得我哥哥的实验室在哪里。
So I take a guess and throw a rock at a window, and it's his, and he's there.
所以我猜了一下，向窗户扔了一块石头，那是他的，他就在那里。
In his lab, on a table, is a three-foot monitor lizard lying perfectly still except for an occasional blink of an eye.
在他实验室的桌子上，一只三英尺长的巨蜥一动不动地躺着，除了偶尔眨一下眼睛。
Two tiny wires are dangling out of its rib cage.
两根细细的电线悬挂在它的胸腔外。
He's anesthetized it and implanted electrodes into its intercostal muscles, the muscles along the rib cage.
他将它麻醉，并将电极植入它的肋间肌，即肋骨沿线的肌肉。
He puts the lizard in its box and takes me to the basement, where he has built a long runway of plywood and two by fours.
他把蜥蜴放进盒子里，然后带我到地下室，在那里他用胶合板搭建了一条长长的跑道，两排四排。
He has another lizard down there, and he takes it out of the cage and holds it and puts it on his shoulder.
他那儿还有另一只蜥蜴，他把它从笼子里拿出来，抱在怀里，放在自己的肩膀上。
And it jumps from there through three feet of air and lands on the wall and sticks to the cinder block like Spider-Man.
它从那里跳出三英尺高的空气，落在墙上，然后像蜘蛛侠一样粘在煤渣块上。
He yanks it off the wall and puts it at one end of the runway.
他把它从墙上拉下来，放在跑道的一端。
"Watch how its backbone moves when it runs," he says.
“观察它的脊椎在奔跑时如何移动，”他说。
Then he touches its tail, and it blasts off down the track.
然后他触碰了它的尾巴，它就沿着轨道飞走了。
Its backbone waves like a plucked guitar string.
它的脊椎像拨动的吉他弦一样波动。
My brother says, "I thought that lizards probably can't breathe when they run, that the way they bend like that would make it impossible." "And do they?" I ask.
我哥哥说：“我以为蜥蜴奔跑时可能无法呼吸，因为它们像那样弯曲，所以不可能呼吸。” “他们呢？”我问。
"Nope.
“不。”
Looks like they can't run and breathe at the same time." "So why is it taking you so long?" I say.
看起来他们无法同时奔跑和呼吸。” “那你为什么花了这么长时间？”我说。
"Why have you been doing this for five years?" He says he's upset some people, some dinosaur people, and that he's had to go back and do all of his experiments all over again.
“你为什么五年来一直这样做？”他说他让一些人感到不安，一些恐龙人，他不得不回去重新做所有的实验。
I ask him why the dinosaur people are upset.
我问他为什么恐龙人不高兴。
And he tells me, but I don't understand a word of it.
他告诉了我，但我一个字也听不懂。
I tell him I'm going to Mexico to run down a deer with the Tarahumara.
我告诉他我要去墨西哥和塔拉乌马拉人一起追杀鹿。
I tell him it could be like science to actually record how they do it, that it would be the first and only record, a first hand experience, and so on.
我告诉他，实际记录他们是如何做的就像科学一样，这将是第一个也是唯一的记录，第一手的经验，等等。
But he says there's no way he can go, no way he can leave his work.
但他说他无法离开，无法离开工作。
He doesn't even seem interested.
他甚至看起来都不感兴趣。
And I drive out of town without delivering the letter and thinking, now it's just me.
我开车出城，没有送信，心想，现在只有我了。
Now, I'm in this alone.
现在，我一个人在这之中。
Scott Carrier heads to Mexico to run after antelopes with native peoples there.
斯科特·卡里尔前往墨西哥，与当地原住民一起追羚羊。
In a minute, from Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Our program today, people who battle nature with the possibility of losing.
我们今天的节目是，人们与自然作斗争，有可能会失败。
We return to Scott Carrier's story about his 12-year quest, Running After Antelope.
我们回到斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 讲述他 12 年追求“追羚羊”的故事。
1994.
1994年。
I'm always ready to go.
我随时准备出发。
I have a map nearly memorized.
我有一张地图几乎已经记住了。
I have an English-Tarahumara dictionary that I keep checking out from the university library.
我有一本英语-塔拉乌马拉语词典，我经常从大学图书馆借阅它。
I'm ready if I can only get the money, and if I can only get the time.
只要我能拿到钱，只要我能得到时间，我就准备好了。
But I never do.
但我从来不这样做。
And it never happens.
但它永远不会发生。
And now, all of a sudden, the Tarahumara have come to Salt Lake and are staying at my house.
现在，塔拉乌马拉人突然来到盐湖城，住在我家。
There are four of them, men between 25 and 35 years old.
他们有四人，男性，年龄在25岁到35岁之间。
And they're here to run in a 100 mile race through the Wasatch mountains.
他们来这里是为了参加穿越瓦萨奇山脉的 100 英里比赛。
I'm in the process of tearing the house apart like always.
我正像往常一样把房子拆散。
And there's no electricity, because I'm redoing the service connection.
而且没有电，因为我正在重新连接服务。
We don't even have a wire from the pole.
我们甚至连电线都没有。
But this is a good thing, I think, something that'll make the Tarahumara feel at home.
但我认为这是一件好事，能让塔拉乌马拉人有宾至如归的感觉。
They don't have electricity.
他们没有电。
They don't even have outhouses.
他们甚至没有外屋。
Their manager is a back country tour guide from Tucson, Arizona.
他们的经理是一位来自亚利桑那州图森市的乡村导游。
And he tells me he's brought them here to raise money and get media attention for their families back home, who are all starving to death.
他告诉我，他把他们带到这里来是为了筹集资金，并让媒体关注他们家乡的家人，他们都快饿死了。
The Tarahumara are wearing their traditional clothing of long, white shirts, held at the waste by a belt, and a pair of sandals cut from truck tires.
塔拉乌马拉人穿着他们的传统服装，白色长衬衫，用皮带固定在废物处，脚上穿着一双用卡车轮胎剪下来的凉鞋。
They appear to be healthy enough, but I can't really tell.
他们看起来很健康，但我真的不能说。
They're silent.
他们沉默了。
They look mainly at the ground.
他们主要看地面。
And they move around my house as a unit, even to the bathroom.
它们作为一个整体在我的房子周围移动，甚至到浴室。
They look more frightened than malnourished.
他们看起来更多的是害怕，而不是营养不良。
We eat dinner outside, where they seem more comfortable.
我们在外面吃晚饭，那里看起来更舒服。
And afterwards, I ask them through a friend who speaks Spanish if they've ever run down a deer.
之后，我通过一位会说西班牙语的朋友问他们是否曾经撞倒过鹿。
And they say, no. The deer have disappeared, and they don't know why, but they're gone.
他们说，不。鹿消失了，他们不知道为什么，但他们消失了。
I ask them if they know other, older Tarahumara who did do it.
我问他们是否认识其他年长的塔拉胡马拉人也曾这样做过。
And they say, yes, they know it was done.
他们说，是的，他们知道事情已经完成了。
They've heard stories, and that the technique was to chase them for two or three days, taking turns and trading off and even sleeping and tracking them down to start again in the morning.
他们听说过一些故事，技巧就是追赶他们两三天，轮流进行权衡，甚至睡觉时跟踪他们，以便早上再出发。
Eventually, the deer would stop and let them put a rope around its neck.
最终，鹿会停下来，让他们把绳子套在它的脖子上。
And then they'd kill it.
然后他们就会杀掉它。
Two days later, three of the four Tarahumara finished first, second, and fourth in the race, all running the 100 miles, up and down through the mountains, in less than 21 hours.
两天后，四名塔拉乌马拉人中的三人在比赛中获得了第一、第二和第四名，他们都在不到 21 小时的时间内跑完了 100 英里，在山上上下翻腾。
1995.
1995年。
When I drive across the desert, I look for antelope standing by the highway.
当我开车穿过沙漠时，我寻找站在高速公路旁的羚羊。
One time, on I-80 in Wyoming, I saw three of them outrun a freight train.
有一次，在怀俄明州的 80 号州际公路上，我看到其中三人跑得比一列货运列车还快。
In northwestern Nevada, there were at least 50, a huge herd, running alongside my car.
在内华达州西北部，至少有 50 只，一大群，在我的车旁边奔跑。
They flew out ahead and across the road like a river going 60 miles an hour.
他们向前飞去，像一条时速六十英里的河流一样穿过马路。
Again in Wyoming, at night, I saw what looked like a cluster of luminescent grapes along the road, and then realized it was antelope eyes, a group of them, hanging out and watching the traffic like a drive-in movie.
再次在怀俄明州，晚上，我看到路边有一串发光的葡萄，然后意识到那是羚羊的眼睛，一群眼睛在闲逛，像汽车电影院一样看着交通。
And then, in the Great Salt Lake Desert, I saw a lone male standing motionless and staring while four F16 fighter jets flew low over its head on their way to the bombing range.
然后，在大盐湖沙漠，我看到一个孤独的雄性一动不动地站着，盯着看，四架 F16 战斗机低空飞过它的头顶，前往轰炸范围。
I've been watching that lone male for a couple of years now.
我已经观察那个孤独的雄性好几年了。
He's part of a small herd of maybe 12 to 16 that I can always find in a place called Puddle Valley, a no man's land just west of the Great Salt Lake, just east of the Bonneville Salt Flats, just south of the Hill Air Force base bombing range, and just north of the Dugway Proving Grounds, where the army tests biological and chemical weapons.
我总能在一个叫水坑谷的地方找到他，这个小群大概有 12 到 16 只，那是一片无人区，位于大盐湖以西、博纳维尔盐滩以东、希尔空军基地轰炸场以南、达格威试验场以北，军队在那里测试生物和化学武器。
There's one paved road that runs up the valley, and the antelope are nearly always standing alongside the road, if not right on the asphalt itself.
有一条铺好的路沿着山谷延伸，羚羊几乎总是站在路边，即使不是站在柏油路上。
They'll walk slowly away if I stop and get out of the car, but otherwise they just stand there and look at me, only 30 yards away.
如果我停下来下车，他们会慢慢走开，但除此之外，他们只是站在那里看着我，距离只有 30 码。
I've been thinking that this herd would be a lot easier to chase because there are so few of them.
我一直在想，这群动物会更容易被追赶，因为它们的数量太少了。
And that I've been watching the lone male enough that I think I could recognize him at a distance, in case he tried to group up and split like the ones did before.
而且我一直在观察这只孤独的雄性，我想我可以在远处认出他，以防他像以前那样试图聚集和分裂。
His horns are more shaped like a heart than the others.
他的角比其他角的形状更像心形。
And he has a brown line on his chest that curls around like a question mark.
他的胸口有一条像问号一样卷曲的棕色线条。
I call him the lone male, because I've only seen him once with the others.
我称他为孤独的男性，因为我只见过他和其他人在一起一次。
And this was in the fall when he was rutting with two does, going from one to the other with a hard-on, kicking up dirt, pissing and [BLEEP] and marking plants with the scent gland on his cheek.
那是在秋天，当时他正在和两只母鹿发情，从一只母鹿到另一只母鹿，踢起泥土，撒尿，然后用脸颊上的气味腺标记植物。
Once, in early spring, I saw him through my binoculars from a half mile away.
有一次，早春的时候，我用双筒望远镜从半英里外看到了他。
He was looking right back at me, so I knelt down a little bit so my head was just below his line of sight.
他正回头看着我，所以我蹲下来一点，这样我的头就在他的视线下方。
I waited for 10 minutes or so and then stood up slowly and peeked.
我等了十分钟左右，然后慢慢站起来偷看。
And he was standing there looking at me, but much closer, maybe only a quarter of a mile away.
他站在那里看着我，但距离更近，也许只有四分之一英里远。
So I sat down and waited some more.
所以我坐下来又等了一会儿。
And he came to within 100 yards.
他来到了100码以内。
So I laid flat and waited.
于是我平躺着等待。
And I could hear him in the sagebrush barking at me like a sharp cough.
我能听到他在山艾树丛中对我吠叫，就像剧烈的咳嗽一样。
[SHARP COUGH SOUND] He came real close, less than 30 yards away, and I stood up.
[尖锐的咳嗽声]他非常接近，距离不到 30 码，我站了起来。
And he didn't take off.
而他并没有起飞。
He just stood there and barked at me, scratched the dirt with his front leg, then slowly wandered off.
它只是站在那里对我吠叫，用前腿抓挠泥土，然后慢慢走开。
There are two dominant theories of human evolution, and neither theory involves running.
人类进化有两种占主导地位的理论，但没有一种理论涉及跑步。
Both theories basically say that humans stood upright so they'd be able to use their hands to pick stuff up, either tools or weapons or food or infants.
这两种理论基本上都认为人类直立，因此他们能够用手捡起东西，无论是工具、武器、食物还是婴儿。
There's probably some truth in that idea, but I just can't believe that it's the whole story.
这个想法可能有一定道理，但我就是不敢相信这就是故事的全部。
I can't believe that running isn't part of it.
我不敢相信跑步不是其中的一部分。
For one thing, tools don't show up in the archaeological record until 2 million years after hominids first walked upright.
一方面，直到原始人类首次直立行走 200 万年后，工具才出现在考古记录中。
If my brother's right, and if one of the reasons hominids stood upright-- one of the reasons humans separated from apes and became human-- is that standing upright gave them more endurance as runners for chasing game, this seems true to me at a basic level that's hard to explain.
如果我哥哥是对的，如果原始人类直立站立的原因之一——人类与猿类分离并成为人类的原因之一——是直立站立让他们在追逐游戏时更有耐力，那么这对我来说在基本层面上似乎是正确的，但很难解释。
When my brother and I were out chasing antelope, it felt different and more fundamental than anything I'd ever done.
当我和哥哥出去追逐羚羊时，感觉比我做过的任何事情都不同，也更重要。
I felt connected and whole, as if I had nothing, and nothing was everything I needed.
我感到自己与自己相连、完整，就好像我一无所有，但什么也不是我所需要的一切。
1997.
1997年。
After two years of passing paper back and forth with the IRS, I have formed a nonprofit corporation to raise money for a trip to visit the Seri Indians in Mexico.
经过两年与国税局来回传递文件后，我成立了一家非营利公司，为前往墨西哥探访塞里印第安人筹集资金。
The Seris live on and near Tiburon Island in the Sea of Cortez, just inside the Baja peninsula.
塞里斯人生活在科尔特斯海的蒂布龙岛及其附近，就在巴哈半岛内。
And like the Tarahumara, they are said to have been able to run down deer.
和塔拉乌马拉人一样，据说他们也能追倒鹿。
But the Seris are said to be even more wild and more reclusive and more unaffected by civilization.
但据说塞里斯人更加狂野、更加隐居、更加不受文明的影响。
I wrote a proposal for the expedition and sent it out to a lot of foundations and government agencies.
我为这次探险写了一份提案并将其发送给许多基金会和政府机构。
And not one responded.
没有人回应。
But now, the American Express company, out of the blue, has given me a corporate gold card with no apparent credit limit, so we're leaving.
但现在，美国运通公司突然给了我一张没有明显信用额度的公司金卡，所以我们要离开了。
In two months, someone from the American Express company will call and inquire about a payment in full.
两个月后，美国运通公司的人会打电话询问是否全额付款。
But two months is such a long time, an inconceivable time when you're driving south into the Sonoran desert.
但两个月实在是太长了，当你开车向南进入索诺兰沙漠时，这是一个不可思议的时间。
I would have liked for my brother to come along.
我希望我的兄弟也能一起来。
But he has just been hired by the University of Utah as a professor in the biology department.
但他刚刚被犹他大学聘为生物系教授。
He came to town with five dogs, 15 sturgeon fish, four five-foot alligators, and two iguanas.
他带着五只狗、十五条鲟鱼、四条五英尺长的鳄鱼和两只鬣蜥来到镇上。
And he's busy setting up his laboratory and preparing his lectures.
他正忙着建立他的实验室并准备他的讲座。
So I've asked my friend, Creighton King, to come in his place.
所以我请我的朋友克雷顿·金来代替他。
Creighton's the best runner I know.
克赖顿是我认识的最好的跑步者。
He's 43 years old, probably past his prime.
他已经43岁了，可能已经过了巅峰期。
But a decade or two ago, he was a virtual wonder of aerobic capacity and endurance, running and skiing, collapsing all previous notions of time and space in the Rocky Mountains.
但一两年前，他在有氧能力和耐力、跑步和滑雪方面简直是一个奇迹，瓦解了落基山脉以前所有的时间和空间概念。
For instance, he once ran back and forth across the Grand Canyon, from the South Rim, down to the river, and up to the North Rim and back-- a distance of 42 miles with more than 22,000 feet of elevation-- in seven and a half hours.
例如，他曾经跑过大峡谷来回跑，从南缘，下到河边，再上到北缘，然后再跑回来——全程 42 英里，海拔超过 22,000 英尺——用时七个半小时。
I've always thought if anybody could catch an antelope, it'd be Creighton.
我一直认为如果有人能抓住羚羊，那一定是克赖顿。
We've also brought our two sons along, because they're out of school for the summer and old enough now, nine and 11, to come along for the adventure.
我们还带着我们的两个儿子一起去，因为他们已经放暑假了，现在已经足够大了，一个 9 岁，一个 11 岁，可以一起去冒险了。
It's a long drive down there, 1,000 miles.
开车去那里很远，有1000英里。
And it's hot in Phoenix, in Tucson, hotter still as we cross the border into Mexico.
凤凰城和图森的天气很热，当我们越过边境进入墨西哥时，天气变得更热。
And driving through Hermosillo and west to the ocean, it's simply the hottest place I could ever imagine, at least 110 degrees, if not 120.
开车穿过埃莫西约，向西到达大海，这简直是我能想象到的最热的地方，至少有 110 度，如果不是 120 度的话。
I keep thinking that my tires or my radiator is going to blow up, that my car-- which has over 250,000 miles on it-- is just not going to make it.
我一直在想我的轮胎或散热器会爆炸，我的车——已经行驶了超过 250,000 英里——根本无法生存。
And we're going to be stuck in the middle of the desert.
我们将被困在沙漠中央。
I keep thinking I've made a big mistake, that I've spent 12 years being obsessed with a foolish notion, and that I've pushed it to the point of absurdity.
我一直在想我犯了一个很大的错误，我花了12年的时间沉迷于一个愚蠢的想法，并且我已经把它推到了荒谬的地步。
And now, we're all going to pay for it, big time.
现在，我们都将为此付出巨大的代价。
But Creighton seems to be not worried at all.
但克雷顿似乎一点也不担心。
And the kids are oblivious to everything but the heat and the strange desert, sun-baked and full of saguaro and [?
孩子们对一切都视而不见，除了炎热和奇怪的沙漠，那里被阳光烘烤，到处都是仙人掌和[？
sajaso ?] cacti holding big osprey nests.
sajaso？]仙人掌抱着大鱼鹰巢。
They're all having a good time.
他们都玩得很开心。
And I try to relax and let things happen without freaking out.
我试着放松，让事情自然发生，不要惊慌失措。
[DOG BARKING]
[狗叫]
There's a small fishing village called Punta Chueca on the coast of the Sea of Cortez with about 200 people, all Seri.
科尔特斯海沿岸有一个名为 Punta Chueca 的小渔村，约有 200 人，全是塞里人。
They live in cinder block homes painted white and baby blue, with the doors and windows either open or missing altogether and the yards separated by fences made from branches and sticks and worn out fishing nets.
他们住在煤渣砌成的房子里，房子漆成白色和淡蓝色，门窗要么开着，要么完全没有，院子之间用树枝和破旧的渔网做成的栅栏隔开。
We drive slowly through the houses and stop at the beach.
我们慢慢地开车穿过房屋，停在海滩上。
Five or six women come and surround us and start speaking to us in Seri, trying to sell us some necklaces made from tiny, brightly colored shells and beautiful, dark red ironwood sculptures of dolphins, sea turtles, and iguanas.
五六个女人围住了我们，开始用塞里语与我们交谈，试图向我们推销一些由色彩鲜艳的小贝壳制成的项链，以及美丽的深红色铁木海豚、海龟和鬣蜥雕塑。
We buy a few of them.
我们买了其中一些。
But they clearly want us to buy them all.
但他们显然希望我们把它们全部买下来。
We tell them, later, maybe later, that we don't have a lot of money.
稍后，也许稍后，我们告诉他们，我们没有很多钱。
But they're adamant, putting things in our hands, poking us in the ribs, making it clear we have no use or value to them other than our money.
但他们态度坚决，把东西交到我们手里，戳我们的肋骨，让我们明白除了钱之外我们对他们没有任何用处或价值。
[SPEAKING SERI] Scott Carrier After what seems like quite a long time, we were rescued from the women by a man who comes over and introduces himself as Ernesto Molina, a fisherman and a tourist guide.
[Speaking SERI] 斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 似乎过了很长一段时间，一名男子过来将我们从妇女们手中救了出来，他介绍自己为埃内斯托·莫利纳 (Ernesto Molina)，一名渔民和导游。
He's 50 years old and speaks excellent Spanish.
他今年 50 岁，西班牙语说得很好。
He's very calm and soft spoken, a nice change from the women.
他非常冷静，说话轻声细语，与女人相比，这是一个很好的改变。
He says he has been to college in Prescott, Arizona.
他说他曾在亚利桑那州普雷斯科特上过大学。
And we try talking to him in English, and he understands, but he always answers in Spanish.
我们尝试用英语与他交谈，他听懂了，但他总是用西班牙语回答。
We tell him that we've come because we're interested in learning about how the Seri hunt deer and would like to find someone who could take us over to the island.
我们告诉他，我们来这里是因为我们有兴趣了解塞里人如何猎鹿，并希望找到可以带我们去岛上的人。
He says no one lives on the island anymore, that the Mexican government has turned it into a national park, but he can take us over there for a visit.
他说岛上已经没有人居住了，墨西哥政府已经把它变成了国家公园，但他可以带我们去那里参观。
And as far as hunting goes, the Mexican government also prohibits that, but that he's well acquainted with the old ways as he's the grandson of Francisco Molina, guide to the great Charles Sheldon, an American hunter who visited this area in 1921.
就狩猎而言，墨西哥政府也禁止这样做，但他非常熟悉古老的狩猎方式，因为他是弗朗西斯科·莫利纳 (Francisco Molina) 的孙子，弗朗西斯科·莫利纳 (Francisco Molina) 是伟大的查尔斯·谢尔顿 (Charles Sheldon) 的向导，查尔斯·谢尔登 (Charles Sheldon) 是一位 1921 年访问过该地区的美国猎人。
I've read Sheldon's account, and have even brought the book along with me.
我读过谢尔顿的叙述，甚至还带着这本书。
And I get it out of the car, and Ernesto shows me the photographs of his grandfather, Francisco.
我把它从车里拿出来，埃内斯托给我看了他祖父弗朗西斯科的照片。
He's read the book and knows the passages where Sheldon describes how impressed he was with Francisco's knowledge and strength as a hunter.
他读过这本书，知道谢尔顿描述弗朗西斯科作为猎人的知识和力量给他留下了多么深刻的印象的段落。
I'm amazed by our luck.
我对我们的运气感到惊讶。
We've been here for less than an hour, and already we've found an excellent guide and translator.
我们在这里呆了不到一个小时，就已经找到了一位优秀的导游和翻译。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Scott Carrier In the evening, we sit with Ernesto on the beach, and he tells us that yes, it's true, the Seris at one time, before they had rifles, would run after deer until they dropped from exhaustion.
[说西班牙语] 斯科特·卡里尔 晚上，我们和埃内斯托坐在海滩上，他告诉我们，是的，确实如此，塞里斯人曾经在拥有步枪之前追赶鹿，直到他们筋疲力尽地倒下。
The young hunter would be given a special drink of two or three types of plants.
年轻的猎人会得到一种由两三种植物组成的特殊饮料。
He wouldn't say which ones, but it was a power food of some kind to give him strength and fortitude.
他没有透露是哪一种，但这是某种赋予他力量和毅力的能量食物。
And then the hunter would go off and track the deer alone.
然后猎人就会独自去追踪鹿。
Once he found the deer, he would start running after it in a series of chases.
一旦他发现了鹿，他就会开始一系列追逐。
In the first chase, the deer would be frightened and run very quickly and far away.
第一次追逐时，鹿会受到惊吓，跑得很快，跑得很远。
And it took great skill and knowledge to follow it, never losing sight of the animal, making sure he was still following the same animal.
跟踪它需要很高的技巧和知识，永远不要失去动物的视线，确保他仍然跟踪同一只动物。
And that this was critical and very difficult, to make sure he was always following the same one.
这是至关重要的，也是非常困难的，以确保他始终遵循同一个目标。
Eventually, the hunter would catch up with the deer, and it would run again, this time more slowly and less of a distance, only two or three kilometers.
最终，猎人会追上鹿，它会再次奔跑，这次速度更慢，距离也更短，只有两三公里。
And again, the hunter must make sure that he did not lose sight of it, and that it was the same individual.
再说一次，猎人必须确保他没有忘记它，并且它是同一个人。
The deer would stop again to rest, and the hunter would catch up with it.
鹿会再次停下来休息，猎人就会追上它。
And this time, the third time, the deer would realize that the hunter was stronger.
而这一次，第三次，鹿就会意识到猎人更强了。
And the deer would become disoriented, because although the deer is very smart, it doesn't have the intelligence of a human being.
而鹿会变得迷失方向，因为虽然鹿很聪明，但它没有人类的智慧。
Eventually, the deer would become completely fatigued, beaten down, and sometimes it would fall and not get up.
最终，鹿会变得完全疲惫不堪，被打倒，有时甚至会跌倒，再也爬不起来。
Sometimes the hunter would kill it with a rock.
有时猎人会用石头杀死它。
This was the method, he said, the technique that was used.
他说，这就是所使用的方法和技术。
And that is all.
仅此而已。
We ask him if he's ever done this, hunted this way.
我们问他是否曾经这样做过，这样狩猎过。
And he says, no, that his grandfather Francisco could do it, but that when he died, the technique died with him.
他说，不，他的祖父弗朗西斯科可以做到，但当他去世时，这项技术也随着他一起消失了。
We ask him how he knows for sure that it was done like this.
我们问他如何确定事情是这样完成的。
And he says that both his father and his grandfather told him about it.
他说他的父亲和祖父都告诉过他这件事。
And that they were both great hunters and knew very well the ways of the deer, but that now, there are much fewer deer and that, again, the government doesn't allow them to hunt.
他们都是伟大的猎人，非常了解鹿的生活方式，但现在鹿的数量少了很多，政府又不允许他们狩猎。
He says that there are two elders in the village, the Montano brothers, who also know about the technique, and that we can talk to them tomorrow if we'd like.
他说村里有两位长老，蒙塔诺兄弟，他们也知道这项技术，如果我们愿意的话，我们明天可以和他们谈谈。
[SPEAKING SERI] The next day, we interview Cuy and Chewy Montano.
[SERI 发言] 第二天，我们采访了 Cuy 和 Chewy Montano。
They say they're about 64 and 70 years old, but they don't know for sure, as neither one can remember the month or year they were born.
他们说自己大约 64 岁和 70 岁，但他们并不确定，因为两人都不记得自己出生的年份或月份。
They speak in Seri, translated by Cuy's son.
他们用塞里语交谈，由库伊的儿子翻译。
And they tell us basically the same story as Ernesto, that the hunter would chase the deer three or four times.
他们告诉我们的故事与埃内斯托基本相同，猎人会追鹿三四次。
And would take about two, or two and a half hours, and then the deer would collapse.
大约需要两个或两个半小时，然后鹿就会崩溃。
Creighton asks them if there are any runners in the village, if anyone would like to try this again.
克赖顿问他们村里是否有跑步者，是否有人想再尝试一次。
And they say, no, that they no longer run, that everything is changed.
他们说，不，他们不再跑步，一切都改变了。
I ask them if it's better now.
我问他们现在好点了吗？
And Cuy says, no, not at all.
库伊说，不，一点也不。
It was better before.
以前比较好。
That they used to do everything as a family, that the whole community was a family, and that they shared everything and cooperated.
他们曾经像一个家庭一样做所有的事情，整个社区就是一个家庭，他们分享一切并合作。
But now, there's a lot of arguing and bickering, more like every man for himself.
但现在，有很多争论和争吵，更像是每个人都为自己而战。
In the morning, Ernesto comes by our camp on the beach with his boat, ready to take us across the channel to Tiburon Island.
早上，埃内斯托带着他的船来到我们在海滩上的营地，准备带我们穿过海峡前往蒂布龙岛。
It takes about an hour to get there.
大约需要一个小时才能到达那里。
We land and have lunch, and then Creighton and I fill up our water bottles and head out for the mountains to look for deer, leaving the kids with Ernesto.
我们着陆并吃午餐，然后克雷顿和我装满水瓶，前往山上寻找鹿，把孩子们留给埃内斯托。
[RUNNING SOUNDS] We run and walk and weave back and forth through the vegetation, which is all nearly leafless and thorny and offers not an inch of shade for protection from the sun.
[奔跑的声音]我们奔跑、行走，在植被中来回穿梭，这些植被几乎没有叶子，多刺，没有一英寸的遮荫处可以遮阳。
It's so hot and bright and dry, it's hard to believe anything or anybody could survive here for more than a few hours.
这里是如此炎热、明亮和干燥，很难相信任何东西或任何人都能在这里生存超过几个小时。
We run and walk intermittently for an hour or so, seeing deer tracks and deer scat, but no deer.
我们断断续续地跑来跑去，大约一个小时左右，看到鹿的踪迹和鹿的粪便，但没有鹿。
After a few miles, we get to the foothills and climb a small peak, only about 500 feet high, and look up to the top of the mountain, 5,000 feet higher and maybe 10 miles in the distance.
几英里后，我们到达山麓，爬上一座仅约 500 英尺高的小山峰，抬头望向山顶，海拔 5,000 英尺，距离可能有 10 英里。
Dark red and ragged volcanic rock, completely barren and forbidding, like the pictures sent back from Mars.
深红色、参差不齐的火山岩，完全贫瘠而险峻，就像从火星发回的照片一样。
We had talked about maybe trying to climb it, but now it's clear we'd never make it in the heat of the day.
我们曾讨论过也许会尝试攀登它，但现在很明显我们永远无法在炎热的天气里成功。
Coming up the hill, we both got stabbed in the shins by cacti, Creighton not so bad, but my leg is a mess.
上山时，我们的小腿都被仙人掌刺伤了，克赖顿还好，但我的腿一团糟。
Little barbs on the end.
末端有小倒刺。
They don't' want to come out.
他们不想出来。
I had to use a stick.
我不得不使用一根棍子。
The quills are like a pocupine's, a couple of inches long and with a barb that makes them move deeper and deeper.
刺针就像豪猪的刺一样，有几英寸长，并带有倒刺，使它们越陷越深。
I start pulling them out, and blood's running down into my socks.
我开始把它们拔出来，血流进了我的袜子里。
And the skin is swelling up with toxin, like I'd been bit by a rattlesnake.
皮肤因毒素而肿胀，就像被响尾蛇咬了一样。
As we're sitting there, we realize that just next to us is a small, cleared out circle ringed by a low wall of rocks piled up for a wind break.
当我们坐在那里时，我们意识到我们旁边有一个干净的小圆圈，周围环绕着一堵低矮的岩石墙，这些岩石是为了防风而堆起来的。
Maybe it was a campsite.
也许那是一个露营地。
And there are some broken pieces of pottery, really thin but big, like from a jug to carry water.
还有一些陶器碎片，很薄但很大，就像用来装水的水壶一样。
We can see out across the channel to the mainland, and then north and south maybe 100 miles, a perfect place to sit and wait for inspiration.
我们可以看到海峡对面的大陆，然后向北和向南可能有 100 英里，这是坐下来等待灵感的完美场所。
We sit in silence for awhile.
我们沉默地坐了一会儿。
And I'm trying to believe that we're doing the right thing, that we're doing what we've come here for.
我试图相信我们正在做正确的事情，我们正在做我们来这里的目的。
But really, honestly, I want to go back and leave the island and drive home.
但说实话，我想回去，离开这个岛，开车回家。
I'm hot, so hot my brains are boiling.
我很热，热得我的大脑都沸腾了。
And I don't care about hunting anymore.
我不再关心狩猎了。
Coming down here, I was thinking that maybe the Seris were still like they used to be, and that maybe we could find the last surviving wild men on the planet.
来到这里，我在想，也许塞里斯人仍然像以前一样，也许我们可以找到地球上最后幸存的野人。
But that was foolish, just a dream or a delusion.
但这是愚蠢的，只是一个梦想或妄想。
And I've just woken up.
而我刚刚醒来。
And the whole thing has disappeared in front of me.
而整个事情就在我面前消失了。
There are no more primitive hunters left anywhere.
任何地方都没有留下更多的原始猎人。
It's a dead thing, surviving only as a story in a few old people's heads.
它已经死了，只作为一个故事存在于一些老人的脑海中。
And when they're gone, it'll be gone and lost forever.
当他们离开时，它就会永远消失。
It now seems ridiculous to try to run down an antelope.
现在看来，试图追赶羚羊似乎很荒谬。
I tell Creighton that maybe this is it, that this is as far as we should go, that it's time to go home.
我告诉克赖顿，也许就是这样了，这就是我们应该走的路了，是时候回家了。
And he agrees, and we start back.
他同意了，我们就重新开始。
1997.
1997年。
On a Sunday in July, I am eating dinner at my mother's house in Salt Lake, and I mentioned to my brother that Creighton and I are going out to the desert west of the lake next week to try chasing antelope again.
七月的一个周日，我在盐湖城母亲家吃晚饭，我向哥哥提到，下周我和克雷顿将前往盐湖以西的沙漠，再次尝试追逐羚羊。
I tell him Creighton was inspired by the Seri, that he's been running a lot since we got back.
我告诉他克赖顿受到了塞里的启发，自从我们回来后他就经常跑步。
And I'd feel like a flake if I didn't go with him, just go out one more time and try it.
如果我不和他一起去，我会感觉自己像个怪人，再出去尝试一次。
I tell my brother this without any conviction, without expecting him to be interested.
我毫无信念地告诉我哥哥这件事，也不指望他会感兴趣。
But to my surprise, he is interested.
但令我惊讶的是，他很感兴趣。
He says he wants to go, that he had other plans but he'll change them.
他说他想去，他还有其他计划，但他会改变它们。
He even seems hurt I wouldn't think about including him.
他甚至看起来很受伤，我不会考虑包括他。
And I say, "Yeah.
我说：“是的。
OK, good.
好的，很好。
Let's do it."
让我们开始吧。”
Yeah, like a net almost.
是的，几乎像一张网。
Runner 4 So everybody starts from the same place.
Runner 4 所以每个人都从同一个地方开始。
There are five of us, my brother, Creighton, myself, and our friends Calvin and Brian, who are also excellent runners.
我们有五个人，我的兄弟克赖顿、我自己，以及我们的朋友卡尔文和布莱恩，他们也是出色的跑步者。
We are camped on a hillside overlooking the valley, a wide basin 10 miles in diameter, not a tree in sight, ringed by mountains maybe 1,500 feet tall.
我们在山坡上扎营，俯瞰山谷，这是一个直径 10 英里的宽阔盆地，看不到一棵树，周围环绕着大约 1,500 英尺高的山脉。
It's 2 o'clock and 100 degrees.
现在是 2 点钟，100 度。
And we're trying to decide on a strategy.
我们正在尝试制定策略。
Don't we want to head them towards that little-- that way?
难道我们不想引导他们走向那个小方向吗？
They've got a big advantage whenever there are hills.
只要有山丘，他们就有很大的优势。
Creighton and I know how the Seri chased deer.
克赖顿和我知道塞里人是如何追鹿的。
They told us.
他们告诉我们。
But now, now that we could use the information, neither one of us brings it up.
但现在，既然我们可以使用这些信息，我们谁也不会提起它。
Somehow, it doesn't seem to apply here.
不知怎的，它似乎并不适用于此。
What we end up doing is this.
我们最终要做的是这样的。
We drive down a road in two cars and find the lone male standing 30 feet off the road.
我们开着两辆车沿着一条路行驶，发现那个孤独的男人站在离路 30 英尺的地方。
We drive by like we're not interested and stop about a mile away, and get out and argue some more about how we're going to do this.
我们开车经过，就像我们不感兴趣一样，在一英里外停下来，下车并就我们将如何做到这一点进行更多争论。
Then, we get back in the cars, and drive back to the lone male, and stop on opposite sides of it, and then pile out of the cars and start chasing it.
然后，我们回到车里，开回那只孤独的雄性，在它的两侧停下来，然后从车里出来，开始追它。
[RUNNING SOUNDS]
[跑步声]
It runs due west, and we spread out in a long line that quickly becomes like a V, because Creighton's a much faster runner than any of us.
它向正西延伸，我们排成一长队，很快就变成了V字形，因为克赖顿跑得比我们任何人都快得多。
My brother stays behind him.
我弟弟留在他身后。
And I start running north, hoping that the antelope will turn clockwise, and I'll be able to cut him off.
我开始向北跑，希望羚羊会顺时针转动，这样我就能拦住他。
I run and sometimes stop and look and see the antelope and Creighton and my brother still going west.
我跑着，有时停下来看看，看到羚羊、克赖顿和我的兄弟仍在向西走。
I run and stop and don't see anything.
我跑来跑去，又停下来，但什么也没有看到。
And I take out my binoculars-- the same power as what the antelope sees-- and search around and finally see a white spot going north.
我拿出双筒望远镜——和羚羊看到的功率一样——四处搜寻，最后看到一个向北移动的白点。
It's the white ass of the antelope with no body attached to it, just a white spot swimming through a mirage, a heat wave above the sagebrush.
这是羚羊的白色屁股，上面没有身体，只有一个白点在海市蜃楼中游动，山艾树上方的热浪。
I scan to the south and see Creighton, a small beetle in pursuit.
我向南望去，看到克赖顿，一只正在追赶的小甲虫。
Farther behind, another beetle, my brother.
后面更远的地方，是另一只甲虫，我的兄弟。
They're heading north, so I turn east and run about a half hour.
他们向北行驶，所以我向东跑了大约半小时。
And I come back to the highway.
然后我又回到了高速公路。
I stop and look around and see my truck two miles down the road, but no antelope, no people.
我停下来环顾四周，看到我的卡车在路边两英里处，但没有羚羊，也没有人。
I stand there for a little while and wait, wondering what to do.
我站在那里等了一会儿，想知道该怎么办。
And then, I just see it as it jumps off the road and down into a sandwash, just see its antlers and white tail, the antelope.
然后，我只看到它从路上跳下来，掉进沙坑里，只看到它的鹿角和白色的尾巴，羚羊。
I start after it, realizing that the others are far away, and it's up to me now.
我开始追随它，意识到其他人都在很远的地方，现在就取决于我了。
The antelope has run for almost an hour and covered maybe 20 miles in 100 degree heat.
这只羚羊已经跑了近一个小时，在 100 度的高温下走了大约 20 英里。
I've run maybe a quarter of that distance, and I have water on my back that I've been drinking the whole time.
我大概跑了四分之一的距离，而且我背上一直在喝水。
If there is any human advantage, like my brother thought there might be, I should certainly have it now.
如果真有人类的优势的话，就像我哥哥认为的那样，我现在当然应该拥有它。
This is the moment I've been waiting for, and the thought both exhilarates and sickens me.
这就是我一直在等待的时刻，这个想法让我既兴奋又感到恶心。
I run, thinking, this is it.
我边跑边想，就这样了。
He did just what I thought he would.
他做了我认为他会做的事。
This is the whole thing right now.
这就是现在的全部情况。
And I laugh.
我笑了。
I laugh and run.
我一边笑一边跑。
And it is, for sure, the best thing I've ever done.
毫无疑问，这是我做过的最好的事情。
I have everything I need.
我有我需要的一切。
The wilderness is unfolding in front of me.
荒野展现在我的面前。
Act Two, Natural Disaster.
第二幕，自然灾害。
Now, the story of two men battling the forces of nature in one of the most antiseptic, controlled environments possible, the studio of a late night talk show.
现在，讲述的是两个男人在一个最防腐、最受控制的环境之一——深夜脱口秀演播室——与自然力量作斗争的故事。
On August 8, the show, Late Night with Conan O'Brien broadcast-- what I consider, anyway-- to be the single most interesting hour of television this year.
8 月 8 日，《柯南·奥布莱恩深夜秀》播出——无论如何，我认为——是今年电视节目中最有趣的一小时。
It was daring.
这是大胆的。
It was unprecedented.
这是前所未有的。
It was an experiment.
这是一个实验。
They basically just filled their studio audience with eight-year-olds.
他们的演播室观众基本上都是八岁的孩子。
And it got so chaotic that at times, Conan O'Brien literally had to tell the audience to pay attention to what was happening on stage.
场面变得如此混乱，有时柯南·奥布莱恩不得不告诉观众注意舞台上发生的事情。
A typical moment in the show-- Conan would tell a very adult joke, a normal, talk show, monologue joke about OJ or the economy.
剧中的一个典型时刻——柯南会讲一个非常成人的笑话，一个正常的脱口秀，关于橙汁或经济的独白笑话。
And then he would pause a beat.
然后他会停顿一下。
And you could just feel-- even over the television-- you could feel that nobody in the room knew what he was talking about.
你可以感觉到——即使是通过电视——你也能感觉到房间里没有人知道他在说什么。
It was almost like performance art.
这几乎就像行为艺术。
And then I guess an applause light would go off somewhere.
然后我想掌声会在某个地方熄灭。
And then the kids would scream and they would clap.
然后孩子们会尖叫、鼓掌。
It was almost like a critique of a talk show.
这几乎就像是对脱口秀节目的批评。
And then after a bunch of regular adult jokes, they would throw in a joke like this.
然后在讲了一堆普通的成人笑话之后，他们会讲一个这样的笑话。
Finally, last thing I'll mention before we get started kids, Barbra Streisand-- you all know her from Yentl , right?
最后，在我们开始之前我要提到的最后一件事，孩子们，Barbra Streisand——你们都认识她，来自 Yentl，对吧？
Yeah.
是的。
Conan O'Brien Yeah?
柯南·奥布莱恩 是吗？
Barbara Streisand has asked the E Network's gossip show not to call her Babs anymore.
芭芭拉·史翠珊 (Barbara Streisand) 要求 E Network 八卦节目不要再称她为 Babs。
That's right, she does not want to be called Babs anymore.
没错，她不想再被称为巴布斯了。
Yeah.
是的。
The only problem is now they've started calling her poopyhead.
唯一的问题是现在他们开始称她为“大便头”。
And I thought--
我想——
Andy Richter is the co-host of Late Night with Conan O'Brien .
安迪·里克特 (Andy Richter) 与柯南·奥布莱恩 (Conan O'Brien) 共同主持《深夜秀》。
He sat on stage ad-libbing through the whole memorable, nearly out of control hour.
他坐在舞台上即兴表演了整个难忘的、几乎失控的时刻。
And he says this about poopyhead.
他这样说是关于大便头的。
When we're planning, we're ordering jokes, putting them in order or little bits of comedy for a sketch.
当我们进行计划时，我们会排序笑话，将它们按顺序排列或为小品添加一些喜剧。
And there will be one that will feature the word "dumbass" or "boobs." And we'll say, yeah, people will laugh at that word.
并且会有一个以“笨蛋”或“胸部”一词为特色的产品。我们会说，是的，人们会嘲笑这个词。
So doing it with children is just a little easier.
所以和孩子一起做会更容易一些。
And it's less censorable.
而且它的审查较少。
Now Andy, we're putting this interview that I'm doing with you into an episode of our program about people battling natural forces beyond their control.
现在，安迪，我们将把我对你所做的这次采访纳入我们节目的一集中，讲述人们与无法控制的自然力量作斗争。
And one thing that I think made this particular hour of television that you guys did such amazing TV is that-- watching it anyway-- I always had the sense that the entire thing felt like, at any moment, it could tumble out of control.
我认为让你们在这个特殊时刻制作出如此精彩的电视节目的一件事是——无论如何观看它——我总是有一种感觉，整个事情感觉就像在任何时候，它都可能失控。
And I wonder, is that the way it felt on stage?
我想知道，这就是舞台上的感觉吗？
Probably worse.
可能更糟。
It probably felt worse.
可能感觉更糟了。
Well, one mistake we made is we had what we called the boredom monster, which was a noise.
好吧，我们犯的一个错误是我们有所谓的“无聊怪物”，它是一种噪音。
And we'd say, uh-oh, the boredom monster is coming.
我们会说，呃哦，无聊怪物来了。
And then we'd cut away to tape of this big monster that we created coming down a darkly lit hallway, moving slowly.
然后我们会剪掉我们创造的这个大怪物沿着黑暗的走廊缓慢移动的录像。
He's right outside the studio.
他就在工作室外面。
Come on.
快点。
[MONSTER SOUNDS]
[怪物的声音]
And they had to scream and applaud to get the monster to go away and not come in and get us, which we thought, well, the kids will be frightened of the monster.
他们必须尖叫和鼓掌才能让怪物走开，而不是进来抓我们，我们认为，孩子们会害怕怪物。
And so that will pimp them into screaming and applauding, which is just another applause light gimmick.
所以这会让他们尖叫和鼓掌，这只是另一个掌声的噱头。
What we didn't realize is that the kids wanted the money shot.
我们没有意识到孩子们想要的是钱。
They wanted to see that monster.
他们想看看那个怪物。
They wanted it to come in.
他们希望它进来。
So they wouldn't scream?
这样他们就不会尖叫了？
Andy Richter Well, they would scream, but we had introduced the word "boring" to their lexicon.
安迪·里克特（Andy Richter）好吧，他们会尖叫，但我们在他们的词典中引入了“无聊”这个词。
So after the monster didn't come in, they cheered because they wanted to help by cheering, and that's what they'd been asked to do.
所以在怪物没有进来之后，他们欢呼起来，因为他们想通过欢呼来提供帮助，而这正是他们被要求做的。
Yeah, but then when it didn't come in, they were mad.
是的，但是当它没有进来时，他们很生气。
And they started chanting, "Boring, boring."
他们开始高喊：“无聊，无聊。”
And on stage, what are you thinking at that point?
在舞台上，你当时在想什么？
Well, I was seriously thinking of just doing a large pratfall just to change the mood.
好吧，我认真地考虑过做一次大失误来改变心情。
Yes, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
I'll pull down my pants and dance around.
我会脱下裤子跳舞。
And especially when it's with children, you think, what do they like?
尤其是和孩子们在一起时，你想，他们喜欢什么？
If they had allowed me to defecate, I probably would have.
如果他们允许我排便，我可能会的。
There's a point where you guys have Dave Foley come out.
到了某个时候，你们就让戴夫·弗利出来了。
And I timed this.
我计时了这个。
It's 29 seconds before it erupts into complete chaos.
29 秒后，一切才彻底陷入混乱。
Let me play this for you.
让我为你演奏这个。
Oh man, welcome to the show.
噢，伙计，欢迎来到这个节目。
Dave Foley Oh, why thank you Conan.
戴夫·弗利 噢，谢谢你柯南。
Hi.
你好。
Oh, I should say, that's Dave Foley of News Radio.
哦，我应该说，那是新闻广播电台的戴夫·弗利。
Hi, kids.
嗨，孩子们。
Conan O'Brien Isn't this nice?
柯南·奥布莱恩 这不是很好吗？
Everyone go, hi, Dave.
大家走吧，嗨，戴夫。
It's nice, isn't it?
这很好，不是吗？
It's a nice change of pace.
这是一个很好的节奏变化。
Yeah, it is.
是的，确实如此。
Well, for you.
好吧，为了你。
You don't have kids.
你没有孩子。
No. You have them.
不，你有它们。
So this is sheer hell for you, isn't it?
所以这对你来说简直就是地狱，不是吗？
It's just like being home, because I have, actually, 150 children.
就像在家一样，因为我实际上有 150 个孩子。
All right.
好的。
Hey kids, settle down.
嘿，孩子们，安定下来。
We're going to talk to Dave Foley for a bit.
我们要和 Dave Foley 聊一会儿。
It's not going to take very long.
这不会花很长时间。
Yes?
是的？
Conan O'Brien I understand you did some traveling lately.
柯南·奥布莱恩 我知道你最近出差了。
I did.
我做到了。
I went to Africa.
我去了非洲。
I flew to Zimbabwe, Africa, and flew into Harare.
我飞往非洲津巴布韦，然后飞往哈拉雷。
And then from there, went on to spend Christmas--
然后从那里开始过圣诞节——
I mean did you anticipate that it was going to fall apart that fast?
我的意思是你有预料到它会这么快崩溃吗？
No, no. And I felt terrible for Dave.
不，不。我为戴夫感到难过。
He just-- it's humiliating.
他只是——这太丢脸了。
As much rationalizations as you can do and say, well, they're just children and they don't really know who I am.
你可以尽可能地合理化说，好吧，他们只是孩子，他们并不真正知道我是谁。
Still, you've got about 700 human beings screaming at you, "Boring" when you're a performer.
尽管如此，当你是一名表演者时，仍有大约 700 个人对你大喊“无聊”。
So it's your job to be interesting.
所以你的工作就是要变得有趣。
So I felt terrible.
所以我感觉很糟糕。
And actually, I think there was an edit taken out of there, where I think Conan got, actually, a little more shrill with the children.
事实上，我认为那里有一个编辑，我认为柯南实际上对孩子们更加尖锐了一点。
But we took it out.
但我们把它拿出来了。
He just said, hey, come on, quiet down.
他只是说，嘿，来吧，安静点。
Something like that.
类似的事情。
I just thought it was a really tough performance moment for Conan.
我只是觉得这对柯南来说是一个非常艰难的表演时刻。
It just seemed like he had entered into this territory where he had no idea what would be the right thing and the wrong thing.
似乎他已经进入了这个领域，他不知道什么是正确的事情，什么是错误的事情。
There were no guides.
没有向导。
There's no experience to back him up.
没有经验可以支持他。
No, the only experience in that instance would be grade school teacher or parenthood.
不，在这种情况下唯一的经历就是小学老师或父母身份。
I have to say, this is the most interesting hour of TV I've seen in I don't know how long.
我不得不说，这是我不知道多久以来看过的最有趣的电视时刻。
Well, thank you.
嗯，谢谢。
Ira Glass Did you guys view it as a success?
Ira Glass 你们认为这是成功的吗？
I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
It was so hard to think of it as anything but a train wreck, just because it felt so uncomfortable and felt so draining.
除了火车失事之外，很难将其视为其他任何东西，只是因为它感觉如此不舒服且令人筋疲力尽。
I think that afterwards, we just breathed such a sigh of relief and felt so exhausted that it was hard to believe that it was good.
我想后来我们才松了一口气，感觉很疲惫，很难相信这是好事。
See that's the thing, you were in the grip of a force more powerful than you were.
瞧，事情就是这样，你被一股比你更强大的力量所掌控。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Credits Ira Glass Well, our program was produced today by Alix Spiegel and myself, with Nancy Updike and Julie Snyder, senior editor Paul Tough, contributing editors Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.
感谢 Ira Glass 嗯，今天的节目由我和阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 (Alix Spiegel) 制作，还有南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 和朱莉·斯奈德 (Julie Snyder)、高级编辑保罗·托夫 (Paul Tough)、特约编辑杰克·希特 (Jack Hitt)、玛吉·罗克林 (Margy Rochlin) 和顾问莎拉·沃威尔 (Consigliere Sarah Vowell)。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] To buy a cassette of this program, call us at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 要购买该节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
Our email address, [email protected] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
我们的电子邮件地址，[email protected]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发布。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 监督。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。