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Prologue: Prologue Chana Joffe-Walt It's This American Life.
序言：序言 查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 这就是美国生活。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt, sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
Last fall, I saw this video from a high school in Michigan, and maybe it wouldn't have stayed with me in the way that it has if it weren't for all the many things that have happened since then that keep reminding me of this video.
去年秋天，我在密歇根州的一所高中看到了这段视频，如果不是自那以后发生的许多事情不断提醒我这段视频，它可能不会像现在这样留在我的脑海里。
It's turned into a sort of reference point in my head for a dynamic I keep seeing repeated.
它变成了我脑海中不断重复出现的动态的参考点。
The video is from September 2021, last fall, in Michigan, about 20 miles outside of Ann Arbor.
该视频拍摄于 2021 年 9 月，即去年秋天，地点是密歇根州，距安娜堡约 20 英里。
It's early morning, right before the school day.
现在是清晨，就在上学前夕。
A group of parents and their high schoolers are loosely crowded around the door to a school, a mostly white crowd.
一群家长和他们的高中生松散地挤在一所学校的门口，其中大部分是白人。
There's a police officer with Top Gun sunglasses.
有一名戴着 Top Gun 太阳镜的警察。
You're going to go in the building.
你要去大楼里。
You have to have a mask on.
你必须戴上口罩。
And what would be the repercussions if they don't have a mask?
如果没有口罩，会有什么后果？
If you don't want to go in, you don't have to.
如果你不想进去，那就不必进去。
The officer is calmly-- one might say, patronizingly-- repeating, "If you're going to go into the building, you have to have a mask on." Nobody in this video is wearing a mask.
这名警官平静地——有人可能会说，居高临下地——重复道：“如果你要进入大楼，就必须戴上口罩。”这段视频中没有人戴口罩。
About 20 teenagers are standing between the officer and the door to their school, looking like all teenagers do when they're waiting for anything-- a little bored, a little blank, lots of crossed arms-- as this goes on.
大约 20 名青少年站在警官和学校门口之间，看起来就像所有青少年在等待任何事情时都会做的那样——有点无聊，有点茫然，双臂交叉——随着这一切的继续。
I'm not going to force anybody.
我不会强迫任何人。
I'm not putting masks on anybody.
我不会给任何人戴口罩。
That's not my job.
那不是我的工作。
This is a county health department order and a policy of the school--
这是县卫生部门的命令，也是学校的政策——
Right.
对。
Police Officer --that if anybody that's going to go in--
警官——如果有人要进去的话——
It's not.
事实并非如此。
Police Officer --they've got to have a mask on.
警察——他们必须戴上口罩。
There is no policy.
没有政策。
Police Officer I'm not arguing.
警官 我没有争论。
OK.
好的。
So they can go in, guys.
这样他们就可以进去了，伙计们。
Woman They can go in.
女人 他们可以进去了。
Go in.
进去吧。
Chana Joffe-Walt The officer has just said, no, you can't go in.
Chana Joffe-Walt 警官刚刚说，不，你不能进去。
And the parents start waving the kids toward the door, yelling, you can go in.
家长们开始向门口招手，喊道：“你可以进去了。”
Some of the teenagers look, reasonably, a little confused, like didn't the cop just say the exact opposite?
一些青少年看起来有些困惑，合理地说，警察刚才不是说的是完全相反的吗？
But they all turn and slowly move toward the door, where the principal and superintendent are standing with masks on.
但他们都转身慢慢走向门口，校长和学监都戴着口罩站在门口。
And the kids are just trapped there in a big clump.
孩子们被困在一大堆里。
You guys, they can't touch you.
你们这些人，他们碰不到你们。
Just go ahead and go in.
直接进去吧。
I remember watching this and thinking, what is it like to be those high schoolers, stuck in between your principal and your parent, between two authorities who are each so certain they have the moral high ground when it comes to your life?
我记得看到这个并想，作为那些高中生，夹在校长和父母之间，夹在两个权威之间，这两个权威都确信自己在你的生活中拥有道德制高点，这是什么样的感觉？
They can't touch us!
他们不能碰我们！
Go in!
进去吧！
Chana Joffe-Walt Then a passage opens.
Chana Joffe-Walt 然后一条通道打开。
The administrator stepped to the side, and the kids rush in.
管理员走到一边，孩子们冲了进来。
Be orderly, be kind.
要有秩序，要友善。
Be kind and respectful.
保持友善和尊重。
Be kind and respectful.
保持友善和尊重。
Be kind and show respect.
保持友善并表示尊重。
I love you guys.
我爱你们。
The kids are inside.
孩子们在里面。
Soon after I saw the masks video, I saw another from Texas.
在我看到口罩视频后不久，我又看到了另一个来自德克萨斯州的视频。
A mom at a school board meeting opposing critical race theory and masks was disrupting the meeting.
一位妈妈在学校董事会会议上反对批判种族理论和口罩，扰乱了会议。
An officer goes over to ask her to leave, and then he starts going back and forth with her over her seated teenage son.
一名警官走过去请她离开，然后他开始和她一起在坐着的十几岁的儿子身边来回走动。
He was just looking at his lap the whole time.
他一直只是看着自己的腿。
Again, what's it like to be in the middle like that?
再说一遍，像这样处于中间是什么感觉？
I've since seen so many school board meetings where kids sit in the audience as parents yell about school closures or Don't Say Gay laws or admissions policies.
从那以后，我见过很多学校董事会会议，孩子们坐在观众席上，而家长则大喊学校停课或“不要说同性恋”法律或招生政策。
When school districts started banning books from their libraries, I kept wondering, do students care about that?
当学区开始禁止图书馆借书时，我一直想知道，学生们关心这个吗？
Doesn't that make the books much more appealing?
这不是让这些书更有吸引力吗？
Or is there a kid out there who's like, I read that book.
或者是否有一个孩子会说，我读过那本书。
Why that one?
为什么是那个？
It's not even that interesting.
甚至没有那么有趣。
This dynamic, adults arguing about the kids right in front of them, it's like a play that's quietly touring the country right, now being reenacted in different places, in different forms, a play in which you never hear from the main characters, people like the kids at the school in the masks video.
这种充满活力的成年人在他们面前争论孩子们的问题，就像一部在全国悄悄巡回演出的戏剧，现在在不同的地方以不同的形式重演，在这场戏剧中你永远听不到主角的声音，就像面具视频中学校里的孩子们一样。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I was just ready for a fresh start.
我刚刚准备好重新开始。
I was ready to be back in school.
我已经准备好回到学校了。
I thought that was going to be really good.
我认为那会非常好。
This is a student I'm going to call John.
这是一名学生，我要称呼他为约翰。
John, like every kid I talked to involved in this particular day at this particular school, asked that I change his name, and I have.
约翰，就像我在这所特殊学校的这一特殊日子里所交谈过的每个孩子一样，要求我更改他的名字，我做到了。
The video became very divisive.
该视频变得非常分裂。
John says, what you miss, what you don't get from just hearing from the adults in that video is that the biggest thing happening for him right at that moment, and many students, was not masks.
约翰说，你错过了，你从视频中成年人的声音中得不到的是，那一刻对他和许多学生来说最重要的事情不是面具。
It was that this was the beginning of school.
这是学校的开始。
Finally, a normal year after such a long pandemic.
经历了如此长时间的大流行之后，终于迎来了正常的一年。
I hadn't been around most of the people since my freshman year of high school, so there were a lot of things that changed.
自从高中一年级以来，我就没有和大多数人接触过，所以很多事情都发生了变化。
I know this sounds weird, but a lot of people's voices got deeper, just things like that.
我知道这听起来很奇怪，但很多人的声音变得更低沉，就是这样。
And people can drive now.
人们现在可以开车了。
People have jobs.
人们有工作。
People didn't have them my freshman year of high school.
我高中一年级的时候人们还没有这些。
And people have angry parents now, coming with them to school.
人们现在有愤怒的父母，和他们一起去学校。
And there's an officer outside the front door.
前门外有一名军官。
John was wearing a mask that day, so he was allowed in the school building.
约翰那天戴着口罩，所以他被允许进入教学楼。
He'd walked in about 10 minutes before the confrontation outside, headed to AP English, sat down.
在外面发生冲突之前大约 10 分钟，他走进了美联社英语频道，坐下来。
John's class started, and then those kids from outside were allowed into the building.
约翰的课开始了，然后外面的孩子们被允许进入大楼。
A couple of the ones that were in my class knocked on the door.
我班上的几个人敲了门。
My teacher wouldn't open the door, and they were recording her, being very hostile and confrontational, saying stuff like, you're destroying my educational rights and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
我的老师不肯开门，他们对她进行录音，态度非常敌对和对抗，说一些诸如“你正在破坏我的教育权利”之类的话，等等，等等。
And then my teacher basically told them, guys, I'm just following the rules and then closed the door on them.
然后我的老师基本上告诉他们，伙计们，我只是遵守规则，然后就对他们关上了门。
What did you make of that?
你对此有何看法？
John I was pretty distraught.
约翰我非常心烦意乱。
And then she turned around and looked at us and was like, guys, I can't do this.
然后她转过身来看着我们，说，伙计们，我不能这样做。
This is ridiculous.
这太荒谬了。
I was pretty distraught because I had never seen people treat teachers like that before.
我非常心烦意乱，因为我以前从未见过人们这样对待老师。
And it changed the way John saw his teacher.
这改变了约翰看待他老师的方式。
She had such little authority in that moment and so many of the other moments that followed in the coming months.
在那一刻以及接下来几个月的许多其他时刻，她几乎没有什么权威。
She'd ask kids to wear their mask properly.
她会要求孩子们正确佩戴口罩。
They wouldn't.
他们不会。
She struggled visibly, saying things like, I need to find a job somewhere else.
她明显地挣扎着，说着“我需要去别的地方找工作”之类的话。
John, though, kept trying to restore the original order of things, the way he remembered school to be, the teacher in charge.
然而，约翰一直试图恢复事物原来的秩序，就像他记忆中的学校那样，由老师负责。
I just made it a point to talk with her, not trying to be a teacher's pet, but trying to make it a point to engage in her class and stuff like that.
我只是特意与她交谈，并不是想成为老师的宠儿，而是想以参与她的课堂之类的事情为重点。
I tried to treat her like she still had the same authority that she did before everything took place.
我试着对待她，就像她仍然拥有一切发生之前一样的权威。
These are two students I'm going to call Daniel and Maddie, who only wanted to speak with me together, who were high school seniors who didn't want to use their real names, and who tag team every time they speak.
我将这两个学生称为 Daniel 和 Maddie，他们只想和我一起说话，他们是高中生，不想使用自己的真名，每次说话时都会标记团队。
Maddie was wearing a mask.
麦迪戴着口罩。
She says she wore one because her mom wanted her to, so she was let into the school building.
她说她穿的是一件，因为她妈妈想让她穿，所以她被允许进入教学楼。
Daniel was not wearing a mask.
丹尼尔没有戴口罩。
He and his parents didn't agree with the mask mandate, so he was crowded in with everyone at the front door.
他和他的父母不同意戴口罩的规定，所以他和大家一起挤在前门。
The superintendent and the principal were getting annoyed.
院长和校长都生气了。
Yeah.
是的。
The whole day was just kind of weird.
一整天都有点奇怪。
No, it was definitely tense.
不，绝对是紧张。
Maddie Well, it was just distracting because like everyone did want to just learn.
麦迪：嗯，这只是分散注意力，因为就像每个人都想学习一样。
I asked Daniel, what happened once they were let into the building?
我问丹尼尔，他们被允许进入大楼后发生了什么？
He says they put all the kids without masks in the library, and they were there for hours, just as a sort of holding area, I guess, until they figured out what to do with them.
他说，他们把所有没有戴口罩的孩子都关在图书馆里，他们在那里呆了几个小时，我猜，就像一个等候区，直到他们弄清楚如何处理他们。
There was probably 60 or 70 kids, just crammed in the library.
图书馆里大概挤满了 60 或 70 个孩子。
There was teachers telling us that we were bad kids and--
有老师告诉我们，我们是坏孩子，而且——
Naughty no-maskers is what they called them.
他们称之为顽皮的不戴面具者。
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Naughty no-maskers?
Chana Joffe-Walt 顽皮的无面具者？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Chana Joffe-Walt The teachers did?
Chana Joffe-Walt 老师们做的吗？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Daniel Yeah.
丹尼尔 是的。
They talked bad about us.
他们说我们的坏话。
It was childish.
这很幼稚。
So all of a sudden, everybody in the building, including the adults are on one team or the other?
那么突然之间，大楼里的每个人，包括成年人，都加入了一个团队或另一个团队？
That's how it felt.
就是这样的感觉。
Maddie It was, like, segregated.
麦迪 这是，就像，隔离。
It was very divided.
意见分歧很大。
It had not ever been like that before, and it affected the rest of the school year.
以前从未有过这样的情况，并且影响了本学年剩余的时间。
Everyone I spoke with agreed on this.
与我交谈过的每个人都同意这一点。
The school year was ruined by what happened that day.
那天发生的事情毁了这个学年。
Everything after that was tense.
之后的一切都很紧张。
People lost trust in each other.
人们彼此失去了信任。
Everyone felt less safe, less comfortable.
每个人都感到不那么安全、不那么舒服。
This thing that had not been front and center for most of them became the main event.
这件对大多数人来说并不重要的事情变成了重头戏。
The students disagreed on which adults were to blame.
学生们对于应该归咎于哪些成年人的问题意见不一。
Some of them blamed the parents, some blamed the teachers, but they all agreed that the adults were to blame.
他们有的责怪父母，有的责怪老师，但他们都同意大人的责任。
So many of the big, contentious political issues right now center around kids.
目前许多重大的、有争议的政治问题都以儿童为中心。
Should teachers be allowed to teach about racism, history, sexuality?
是否应该允许教师教授种族主义、历史和性方面的知识？
Will stricter gun laws keep our kids safe in school?
更严格的枪支法能否保证我们的孩子在学校的安全？
Would more aggressive climate policies keep them safer in the future?
更积极的气候政策会让他们在未来更安全吗？
Which ones?
哪些？
All these policy debates that we've been having for months, that are so central to American politics right now, affect kids more than anyone else.
我们几个月来一直在进行的所有这些政策辩论对于目前美国政治来说至关重要，对孩子的影响比其他任何人都大。
So today's show, from WBEZ Chicago, we talked to kids, living their kid lives in the middle of these divides.
因此，今天的节目，在 WBEZ 芝加哥，我们与孩子们进行了交谈，了解他们的孩子生活在这些分歧的中间。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act 1, This Is Not a Drill.
第一幕，这不是演习。
Even though kids are somewhat, obviously, at the center of this next one, I was initially drawn in by the parents, I suppose because this is a particular parental experience that I spend a fair amount of time trying to imagine and trying not to imagine.
尽管显然，孩子们在某种程度上处于下一个故事的中心，但我最初是被父母吸引的，我想是因为这是一种特殊的父母经历，我花了相当多的时间试图想象并试图不去想象。
Dan Kois was in the middle of his workday and he got a text from his 14-year-old daughter.
丹·科伊斯 (Dan Kois) 正在工作，他收到了 14 岁女儿发来的短信。
Harper wrote, "There's like a lockdown right now, but people don't know if it's a drill.
哈珀写道：“现在就像封锁一样，但人们不知道这是否是一次演习。
Everyone's so confused."
大家都很困惑。”
Dan was half a mile from the school.
丹距离学校半英里。
He ran to his bike and immediately pedaled in the direction of his kid's high school.
他跑向自行车，立即朝孩子高中的方向骑去。
So a couple of corners away, a friend of ours, who also has a kid at the high school, was coming out of her front door.
就在几个拐角处，我们的一位朋友正从她的前门走出来，她的孩子也在上高中。
And she was like, what's going on?
她说，发生了什么事？
And I said, I got a text too.
我说，我也收到一条短信。
No time to talk.
没时间说话。
I'm going the same place as you.
我跟你去同一个地方
And you could see in all the streets that lead up to the school, individual parents making their way toward the school and cars pulling up and taking all the street parking places.
你可以看到在通往学校的所有街道上，个别家长正朝学校走去，汽车停了下来，占据了所有的街道停车位。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
Dan Kois So we were all converging and there--
丹·科伊斯 所以我们都聚集在一起，然后——
So it's like, one by one, every parent is running out of their house toward the school.
就好像每个家长都一一跑出家门奔向学校。
Right.
正确的。
Because every parent has gotten a text from their kid saying, something weird is going on, and we're in lockdown.
因为每个家长都收到了孩子发来的短信，说发生了一些奇怪的事情，我们处于封锁状态。
This was last February, in suburban Virginia, but this kind of thing happens all over.
这是去年二月的事，在弗吉尼亚州郊区，但这种事到处都在发生。
Just a few weeks ago, in San Antonio, Texas.
就在几周前，在德克萨斯州圣安东尼奥。
I didn't start losing-- excuse my language-- I didn't start losing my shit until I got to the school and I actually saw officers running all over the place.
我并没有开始迷失——请原谅我的语言——直到我到达学校，我才真正开始迷失，我真的看到警察到处乱跑。
For Audrey Cardenas, she didn't get a text from her kid.
对于奥黛丽·卡德纳斯来说，她没有收到孩子的短信。
It was a post on Nextdoor, a neighborhood site-- "Shooting at Jefferson High School."
这是邻里网站 Nextdoor 上的一篇帖子——“杰斐逊高中发生枪击事件”。
There's other parents crying, so I'm like, do you all know anything?
还有其他家长在哭，所以我想，你们都知道什么吗？
And they're like, they're not telling us nothing.
他们就像，他们什么也没告诉我们。
They're not telling us anything.
他们什么也没告诉我们。
I get a text message from my son's best friend.
我收到儿子最好的朋友发来的短信。
My son's friends call me Mom.
我儿子的朋友都叫我妈妈。
And he was like, Mom, I'm stuck in a closet.
他说，妈妈，我被困在壁橱里了。
There's an active shooter.
有一个活跃的射手。
I don't know where Carlitos is at.
我不知道卡利托斯在哪里。
I honestly thought of going in through the exit room.
老实说，我想过从出口房间进去。
I went to Jefferson High School so I know how to get in and out because that door-- I mean, I don't know if they fixed it.
我去了杰斐逊高中，所以我知道如何进出，因为那扇门——我的意思是，我不知道他们是否修好了它。
I graduated 20 years ago.
我20年前毕业了。
[LAUGHS] Audrey Cardenas But I'm just like, I'm pretty sure that door is still not fixed.
[笑]奥黛丽·卡德纳斯但我只是想，我很确定那扇门还没有修好。
I'm pretty sure I could get in through there.
我很确定我可以从那里进去。
Had you imagined what you would do in this situation before it happened?
在事情发生之前，你有没有想过在这种情况下你会做什么？
I would always talk to my kids about it.
我总是和我的孩子们谈论这件事。
And it's not funny, but I always took a picture of my kids in the morning of what they're wearing, just in case something like this were happening.
这并不好笑，但我总是在早上给我的孩子们拍一张他们穿着的照片，以防万一发生类似的事情。
Wow.
哇。
Audrey Cardenas Yes.
奥黛丽·卡德纳斯 是的。
And it annoys the shit out of all three of them, but I'm just like, I need to know.
这让他们三个都很恼火，但我只是想，我需要知道。
So I identify, OK, well, this is what he was wearing.
所以我确定，好吧，这就是他穿的。
OK, this person's wearing that.
好吧，这个人就是这么穿的。
This is your son.
这是你的儿子。
This is his body.
这是他的身体。
He was shot multiple times, in my mind.
在我看来，他被枪杀了好多次。
Jeez.
天啊。
That's something you're thinking about every morning?
这是你每天早上都在想的事情吗？
I mean, an 18-year-old kid went into an elementary school and shot 19 students, and all 19 died.
我的意思是，一个 18 岁的孩子走进一所小学，枪杀了 19 名学生，19 人全部死亡。
Every morning.
每天早上。
After Uvalde and after every school shooting that happened before Uvalde and the 40 school shootings that have happened so far just this year, a political debate emerged and re-emerges.
在尤瓦尔迪事件之后以及尤瓦尔迪之前发生的每一次校园枪击事件以及今年迄今为止发生的 40 起校园枪击事件之后，一场政治辩论不断出现。
We have too many guns.
我们有太多枪了。
We have too few permits, too much mental illness.
我们的许可证太少，精神疾病太多。
The teachers should have guns.
老师应该有枪。
The issue is really assault weapons.
问题实际上是攻击性武器。
No, it's background checks.
不，这是背景调查。
It's the Second Amendment.
这是第二修正案。
And meanwhile, kids keep going to school, and guns keep coming to school, and parents keep standing around outside, grimly trying to imagine what is going on in those buildings during lockdowns.
与此同时，孩子们继续上学，枪支不断进入学校，家长们继续站在外面，严肃地试图想象封锁期间这些建筑物里发生了什么。
That's what Dan did, standing outside his kid's school.
丹站在他孩子的学校外面，就是这么做的。
I was definitely trying to imagine myself into that space.
我确实试图将自己想象成那个空间。
I didn't ask either of them if they were scared because that seemed like a dumb question, but I wanted to know what they were thinking about and how they were spending their time.
我没有问他们是否害怕，因为这似乎是一个愚蠢的问题，但我想知道他们在想什么以及他们如何度过时间。
I wanted to know that too.
我也想知道。
What's it like for the kids who are actually at the center of this thing we seem to have decided is a permanent part of our lives now?
对于那些实际上处于我们似乎已决定成为我们生活永久一部分的事情中心的孩子来说，他们感觉怎么样？
I was split between like denial and pants-shitting fear, and I was not in the realm of pants shitting yet.
我既否认又害怕拉裤子，而我还没有进入拉裤子的境界。
Dan's oldest kid, Lyra, missed the loudspeaker announcement about a school lockdown, so she was very breezy about what she assumed was a drill until her sister Harper texted her, no, this is not a drill.
丹的大孩子莱拉（Lyra）错过了有关学校封锁的扩音器公告，因此她对她以为的演习非常轻松，直到她的姐姐哈珀（Harper）发短信给她，不，这不是演习。
Are you OK?
你还好吗？
The teacher shut off the lights in Lyra's English classroom, locked the door.
老师关掉了莱拉英语教室的灯，锁上了门。
Everyone crouched on the far wall under some shelves.
每个人都蹲在远处墙上的一些架子下。
And that's sort of when the little pangs of fear start to hit because I had both of these stories going, one of which could be the case, but I hope isn't and one of which I need to believe was the case because otherwise, my brain would explode, you know?
就在那时，恐惧的小痛苦开始袭来，因为我同时经历了这两个故事，其中一个可能是这种情况，但我希望不是，而其中一个我需要相信是这种情况，否则，我的大脑会爆炸，你知道吗？
Lyra's little sister, Harper, was one floor down in health class, ninth grade.
莱拉的妹妹哈珀在九年级健康课的下一层。
Harper's classmates were clustering along the far wall, but Harper sat in her desk, twisted her body around toward the classroom door, and started filming the door.
哈珀的同学们聚集在远处的墙上，但哈珀坐在桌子上，将身体转向教室门口，并开始拍摄门。
The camera just watches the closed classroom door.
镜头只是注视着紧闭的教室门。
Sometimes her hand shifts or shakes down to her shoes, black Converse, past the health and wellness textbooks, and then back to the door, just waiting.
有时她的手会移到或摇到她的黑色匡威鞋上，经过健康和保健教科书，然后回到门口，只是等待。
Whoa, it's almost like you're staging it for there to be a shooter to come in right there.
哇，这几乎就像你在为有一个射手进来而准备的一样。
Mmm.
嗯。
I thought if it was an actual school shooting, I see all these things of students filming shakily, so I thought maybe if it was happening, I should probably do that.
我想如果这是一场真正的校园枪击事件，我会看到学生们摇摇晃晃地拍摄所有这些东西，所以我想如果真的发生了，我可能应该这样做。
A rumor started going around about a kid with a gun somewhere in the school.
关于学校某个地方有一个带枪的孩子的谣言开始流传。
Harper and Lyra kept waiting for a long time.
哈珀和莱拉等了很长时间。
No shooter, no announcement, no information.
没有枪手，没有公告，没有信息。
So after a great enough period of time had passed, the tension leaked out of the room, and I just went to my desk.
因此，过了足够长的一段时间后，紧张气氛就从房间里消失了，我就走到了办公桌前。
You know, it's hard to play Tetris on your phone, so mainly I just wanted to play Tetris on my computer.
你知道，在手机上玩俄罗斯方块很难，所以我主要只想在电脑上玩俄罗斯方块。
I didn't think I could get work done.
我不认为我能完成工作。
I felt too nervous.
我感觉太紧张了。
I mean, people were really just talking.
我的意思是，人们真的只是说说而已。
Some people weren't even really talking about the lockdown.
有些人甚至没有真正谈论封锁。
They were just talking about regular high school drama, that Addison broke up with Owen or something.
他们只是在谈论普通的高中戏剧，艾迪生与欧文分手之类的。
Wait.
等待。
Who was it?
是谁？
It was-- I don't know.
这是——我不知道。
Some girl was like, oh, no. I'm going to die a virgin.
有些女孩说，哦，不。我会以处女的身份死去。
[LAUGHS] And then people heard, and they started laughing.
[笑]然后人们听到了，他们开始大笑。
And then her friend was like, no. We're not going to die.
然后她的朋友说，不。我们不会死。
It's OK.
没关系。
And I remember-- I don't know if this is important, but there was a couple, and it was a junior boy and a sophomore girl.
我记得——我不知道这是否重要，但是有一对夫妇，一个大三的男孩和一个大二的女孩。
And the whole time they were just in the corner being all cuddly and stuff.
整个过程中，他们都呆在角落里，表现得很可爱。
And [LAUGHS] they were cuddling up to each other.
[笑]他们互相拥抱。
The girl was like, oh, I'm so scared.
那个女孩说，哦，我好害怕。
What do I do?
我该怎么办？
And then the guy was like, it's OK.
然后那家伙就说，没关系。
It's OK.
没关系。
[LAUGHS].
[笑]。
What did you think of that?
你对此有何看法？
Harper I thought it was funny.
哈珀 我觉得这很有趣。
[LAUGHS] You guys are weird.
[笑]你们真奇怪。
Lyra texted her Wordle result.
Lyra 给她的 Wordle 结果发了短信。
She got the Wordle in three.
她用三分就拿到了Wordle。
Dan, their dad, was still outside with all the other parents, waiting.
他们的父亲丹仍在外面，和其他父母一起等待。
And then Harper texted that she got the Wordle in four, and I told them I also got the Wordle in three.
然后哈珀发短信说她用四分钟就拿到了Wordle，我告诉他们我也用三块钱拿到了Wordle。
I shared with the parents outside the school that my kids got the Wordle in three or four.
我与校外的家长分享说，我的孩子三四岁就学会了 Wordle。
And they said, good work, and I shared that with my kids.
他们说，干得好，我和我的孩子们分享了这一点。
[LAUGHS] Dan Kois Then Lyra sent us some tweets from kids who were inside the school, "Someone cancel school or else Imma piss all over the cafeteria floors." Then I sent them some photos of what the outside of the school looked like so they could get a sense of how many police cars were there.
[笑] Dan Kois 然后 Lyra 给我们发了一些学校里孩子们的推文，“有人取消学校，否则我会在自助餐厅地板上撒尿。”然后我给他们发了一些学校外面的照片，这样他们就可以知道那里有多少辆警车。
And Lyra wrote-- and my bike was in the photo, and she made fun of me for biking to the school.
莱拉写道——我的自行车出现在照片中，她取笑我骑自行车去学校。
Dan says the weirdest part of this portion of the day was running the two stories in his head, same as Lyra.
丹说，这一天这段时间最奇怪的部分是在他的脑海中运行这两个故事，就像莱拉一样。
One story, this is nothing.
一个故事，这没什么。
We're just waiting.
我们只是在等待。
The kids will be out soon.
孩子们很快就会出去。
And the other story, we're going to look back on this moment when we thought it was nothing, the one right before all the tragedy.
另一个故事，我们将回顾这一刻，当时我们认为这没什么，就在所有悲剧发生之前。
But the longer this went on, the first story, this is nothing, had a stronger pull.
但这种情况持续的时间越长，第一个故事，这没什么，就有更强的吸引力。
So the parents are now-- some of them have gone home.
所以父母现在——其中一些人已经回家了。
Some of them are still there and texting their kids.
他们中的一些人还在那里给孩子们发短信。
There's one guy who's illegally parked in front of a driveway, with his windows open, just doing the longest, loudest work call on his phone, on speakerphone.
有一个人非法把车停在车道前，车窗开着，只是用免提电话打最长、最大声的工作电话。
So we're just all listening to his work call about brokerage fees or something.
所以我们只是听他的工作电话询问经纪费之类的事情。
Wait.
等待。
He's doing the work call to be close to the school?
他是因为工作需要离学校近吗？
He wanted to be close to the school, so he just sat there, waiting for something to happen, but also doing this work call on speakerphone.
他想靠近学校，所以他就坐在那里，等待事情发生，同时也做这项工作，用免提电话打电话。
I cannot think of a more perfect illustration of what it is like to pretend things are normal in America right now, a more 2022 image than a work-from-home finance guy taking a Zoom call from his car, outside what may or may not be a school shooting in his kid's high school.
我想不出比这更完美的例子来说明现在在美国假装一切正常的感觉，这比一个在家工作的财务人员在他孩子所在的高中可能发生或可能不是发生的校园枪击事件中从车里接听 Zoom 电话更像是 2022 年的画面。
The incredible peaks of disassociation, the alienation required to proceed with our daily routines while still allowing for the possibility of story number two, of tragedy at any moment.
令人难以置信的分离高峰，需要疏远来继续我们的日常生活，同时仍然允许第二个故事，即随时发生悲剧的可能性。
And then something happened.
然后发生了一些事情。
Over the loudspeaker, it was a man who no one knew, wasn't our principal, it wasn't his voice.
扩音器里传出的是一个没人认识的人，不是我们的校长，也不是他的声音。
It was just a random guy.
这只是一个随机的家伙。
And it said, today's Thursday, February 10, 2022.
上面写着，今天是 2022 年 2 月 10 日，星期四。
And that's it.
就是这样。
It was a deep man voice being serious.
那是一个低沉的男人声音，语气很严肃。
And then everyone was like, what?
然后每个人都说，什么？
Why would they announce that?
他们为什么要宣布这一点？
And then my teacher said, well, that can't be good.
然后我的老师说，好吧，那可不好。
Upstairs, Lyra heard the announcement too.
楼上的莱拉也听到了这个消息。
And for her, this is when she snapped into story number two.
对她来说，这是她突然陷入第二个故事的时候。
She could feel the other kids in the room do the same thing, tensing up, getting ready for something, to do something.
她能感觉到房间里的其他孩子也在做同样的事情，紧张起来，准备做某事。
Because I feel like every kid at some point, every high schooler thinks about, well, what would I do if I was in a mass shooting?
因为我觉得每个孩子、每个高中生都会在某个时候思考，如果我遭遇大规模枪击事件，我会怎么做？
And I feel like it's everyone's instinct to be like, oh, I'd be brave.
我觉得每个人都会本能地想，哦，我会勇敢的。
I would be kind.
我会很友善。
I would know what to say to keep people calm.
我知道该说什么才能让人们保持冷静。
I would know how to escape.
我会知道如何逃脱。
I would fight off the shooter, but I just sort of resigned myself, like, if a shooter comes, I'd probably run away or die.
我会击退枪手，但我只是有点听天由命，就像，如果枪手来，我可能会逃跑或死。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
I think all high schoolers think about it, especially Americans.
我想所有的高中生都会思考这个问题，尤其是美国人。
Do you think that's true, all high schoolers have had that thought, who am I going to be in a school shooting, if there's a school shooting?
你认为这是真的吗，所有高中生都有过这样的想法，如果发生校园枪击事件，我会成为谁？
Yes.
是的。
I would definitely say every single American high schooler has thought about that.
我肯定会说每个美国高中生都考虑过这一点。
Really?
真的吗？
I do not have contact with every single American high schooler, nor does Lyra, but once she said this, I was curious, and I started asking around.
我和每一个美国高中生都没有接触过，莱拉也没有，但她一说这话，我就很好奇，就开始四处打听。
And every kid I talked to, kids in Texas, New Mexico, Missouri, Minnesota, Michigan.
和我交谈过的每一个孩子，德克萨斯州、新墨西哥州、密苏里州、明尼苏达州、密歇根州的孩子。
Nick is in East Lansing.
尼克在东兰辛。
He's a senior this year, which means he's had more than a decade to watch videos from school shootings, including videos from last year in Oxford, Michigan, which is just a little over an hour away from him and where he heard a student ran at the shooter.
他今年是一名高年级学生，这意味着他有十多年的时间观看学校枪击事件的视频，包括去年密歇根州牛津市的视频，那里距离他只有一个多小时的路程，他听到一名学生向枪手跑去。
Nick says he's imagined being that guy in his school shooting, or he'd help other kids escape.
尼克说他想象自己就是学校枪击事件中的那个人，否则他会帮助其他孩子逃跑。
And I know a lot of my friends also know-- we know the different ways to get in and out of the building.
我知道我的很多朋友也知道——我们知道进出大楼的不同方式。
This past year, I had ceramics, which was on the outside, so that had a door.
去年，我有陶瓷，它在外面，所以有一扇门。
Nick was the first of many kids I talked to with an alarming command of the various means of egress in their school buildings.
尼克是我交谈过的众多孩子中第一个，他对校舍内各种出口的掌握能力令人震惊。
It was that way with Michael too, outside Detroit.
在底特律郊外，迈克尔也是如此。
We have this weird little corridor.
我们有这个奇怪的小走廊。
And next to the band room is an exit door, but you cannot enter through it.
乐队室旁边有一个出口，但不能进去。
Michael told me, above the exit door is a dropdown ceiling with a missing tile.
迈克尔告诉我，出口门上方是一个下拉式天花板，上面缺少一块瓷砖。
You could get up there.
You could get up there.
He heard a couple of years ago the seniors stuck a Christmas tree up there, so he's pretty sure there's space.
几年前他听说高年级学生在那里放了一棵圣诞树，所以他很确定那里有空间。
You could stack the cubbies, get up to the ceiling--
你可以把小房间堆起来，一直堆到天花板——
Push one of the tiles off and then get on top of the dropdown ceiling and escape that way if you needed to.
推掉其中一块瓷砖，然后爬到下拉式天花板的顶部，如果需要的话可以从那里逃生。
I thought about it as a possibility.
我认为这是一种可能性。
I kind of left it in the back of my mind.
I kind of left it in the back of my mind.
And I'm like, all right.
And I'm like, all right.
If we have to, this is what we do.
If we have to, this is what we do.
And then last winter, a student threatened to kill his classmates during sixth period.
去年冬天，一名学生在第六节课时威胁要杀死他的同学。
Nobody knew if he really meant it, so Michael's school went into lockdown, and he ended up in the drumline room, exactly where he'd planned to be.
没有人知道他是否真的这么想，所以迈克尔的学校进入了封锁状态，他最终来到了鼓室，正是他计划去的地方。
Their band teacher told them to close the door and stay in there.
他们的乐队老师告诉他们关上门并呆在里面。
So Michael and about 10 other kids sat on the floor.
于是迈克尔和其他大约 10 个孩子坐在地板上。
It was completely dark, soundproof.
周围一片漆黑，隔音良好。
Everyone was whispering.
Everyone was whispering.
Michael had thought about this moment so much and now, here it was.
迈克尔对这一刻想了很多，现在，就在这里。
I told everybody the plan within the first five minutes.
我在前五分钟内就告诉了所有人这个计划。
It was like, if we need to, there's a dropdown ceiling.
就像，如果我们需要的话，有一个下拉天花板。
There's a tile open in the escape-- I call it the escape room now because that's what I think of it as-- but the storage room.
逃生室里有一块敞开的瓷砖——我现在称之为逃生室，因为我就是这么想的——但那是储藏室。
One of the tiles is broken.
其中一块瓷砖破损了。
You can jump through there.
你可以从那里跳过去。
What was the reaction?
What was the reaction?
What did people say?
人们怎么说？
The first thing that somebody said was, that's a dumb idea.
有人说的第一句话是，这是一个愚蠢的想法。
That is not how Michael imagined this moment going.
这不是迈克尔想象的那样。
Michael, turns out, was not the only one with a plan.
事实证明，迈克尔并不是唯一一个有计划的人。
He was in a room full of kids who had all prepared for this moment, a room full of band kids who knew each other very well.
他所在的房间里挤满了已经为这一刻做好准备的孩子们，房间里挤满了彼此非常了解的乐队孩子们。
Michael says everyone was exactly themselves.
迈克尔说每个人都完全是自己。
Alex made jokes.
Alex made jokes.
Connor reminded everyone to be calm and reasonable.
康纳提醒大家要冷静、理智。
Lucy agreed with Connor and said, we should hear every side.
露西同意康纳的观点，并表示我们应该听取各方意见。
And the naysayer, who I will not name, who thought everyone's idea was dumb but offered none of his own ideas, nobody was surprised.
还有一个我不会透露姓名的反对者，他认为每个人的想法都很愚蠢，但没有提出自己的想法，没有人感到惊讶。
They kept going.
他们继续前进。
It was constant.
It was constant.
We should make a wall of cubbies.
我们应该用小房间做一堵墙。
No, no, no. We should hide inside the drums.
不，不，不。我们应该躲在鼓里面。
This went on for--
This went on for--
Wow.
哇。
An hour and 15 minutes?
一个小时十五分钟？
How much is there to say?
有多少可说的？
Depending on what point of view you had, we went through everybody's.
根据您的观点，我们讨论了每个人的观点。
Yeah.
是的。
It was, you have five minutes to talk, and then you'll have two minutes to respond.
是的，你有五分钟的时间说话，然后你有两分钟的时间回应。
Jump to the next person.
Jump to the next person.
Yeah.
是的。
Chana Joffe-Walt Who was running the clock?
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 谁在运行时钟？
Conner.
康纳.
Chana Joffe-Walt Of course.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特 当然。
When things got a little tense in this impromptu, Lord of the Flies school shootings planning committee, Alex started playing Pumped Up Kicks at the lowest volume possible.
当“蝇王”学校枪击事件计划委员会的即兴活动变得有些紧张时，亚历克斯开始以尽可能低的音量播放“Pumped Up Kicks”。
I'm like, dude, stop it.
I'm like, dude, stop it.
It gets really, really dark.
天真的变得非常非常黑暗。
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks better run, better run faster than my gun."
“所有其他打气十足的孩子跑得更好，跑得比我的枪更快。”
[MUSIC - "PUMPED UP KICKS" BY FOSTER THE PEOPLE]
[音乐 - FOST THE PEOPLE 的“PUMPED UP KICKS”]
(SINGING) All the other kids with the pumped up kicks, you better run, better run, outrun my gun.
（唱歌）所有其他踢腿的孩子，你们最好跑，跑得更好，跑得比我的枪还快。
Dude decided to play Pumped Up Kicks.
老兄决定玩“Pumped Up Kicks”。
He is the clown of the class.
他是班上的小丑。
He's known for being the class clown.
他以班级小丑而闻名。
The fact that he did that just kind of shook me.
他这样做的事实让我感到震惊。
Did you find it funny?
Did you find it funny?
Michael I found it hilarious, but I'm like, but dude, this is kind of serious right now.
迈克尔，我觉得这很搞笑，但我想，但是伙计，现在这有点严重。
Michael told me Alex had played Pumped Up Kicks at other lockdowns too.
迈克尔告诉我亚历克斯在其他封锁期间也玩过 Pumped Up Kicks。
It's kind of his lockdown thing, but usually he waits till the end.
这是他的封锁方式，但通常他会等到最后。
He says that's how you know it's over.
他说这样你就知道一切都结束了。
You hear that song playing as the police escort you out the building.
当警察护送你走出大楼时，你听到那首歌正在播放。
(SINGING) All the other kids with the pumped up kicks, you better run, better run faster than my bullet.
（唱歌）所有其他踢腿的孩子，你们最好跑，最好跑得比我的子弹更快。
Most kids will not experience actual school shootings, but every year, millions of kids will experience something like this-- school lockdowns that are not a drill, that are a sudden, urgent response to a real or perceived threat, lockdowns that can go on for hours, where teachers lock the doors, police are swarming, and helicopters bring in blood, just in case.
大多数孩子不会经历真正的校园枪击事件，但每年，数以百万计的孩子都会经历类似的事情——学校封锁不是演习，而是对真实或感知到的威胁的突然、紧急反应，封锁可能持续几个小时，老师锁上门，警察蜂拥而至，直升机运来血液，以防万一。
Kids react.
Kids react.
Some kids cry.
有些孩子会哭。
Some kids make out.
Some kids make out.
A fourth grader named Jude told me he filled his backpack with books and held it to his chest.
一位名叫裘德的四年级学生告诉我，他的背包里装满了书，并将其放在胸前。
So many of the things I heard about kids doing were somehow generic and deeply individual.
我听说的很多关于孩子们所做的事情在某种程度上都是通用的，但又非常个性化。
A 12-year-old in Birmingham wrote a will that said, quote, "Mom, I want to give my friend Javon everything I own.
伯明翰一名 12 岁的孩子写了一份遗嘱，其中写道：“妈妈，我想把我拥有的一切都给我的朋友 Javon。
And that includes the Xbox and games and controllers."
其中包括 Xbox 以及游戏和控制器。”
I heard about a kid in upstate New York who called his parents from the bathroom during a lockdown and came out to them.
我听说纽约州北部的一个孩子在封锁期间从浴室给父母打电话，并向他们出柜。
He didn't want them to learn he was gay later in the news if he died.
如果他死了，他不想让他们在新闻中得知他是同性恋。
But the unifying foundation across all these experiences was the feeling of flip flopping between two different stories.
但所有这些经历的统一基础是在两个不同故事之间摇摆不定的感觉。
Maybe it's nothing, but maybe it's not.
或许没什么，但又或许不是。
And how quickly the certainty that you are in the "probably nothing" story can crumble with one noise, with a text.
你对“可能什么都没有”的故事的确信很快就会随着一声噪音、一段文字而崩溃。
For Harper and Lyra in Virginia, it was that announcement an hour into their lockdown, the deep man voice on the loudspeaker saying, today is February 10, 2022.
对于弗吉尼亚州的哈珀和莱拉来说，这就是他们在封锁一小时后宣布的消息，扩音器里低沉的男声说，今天是 2022 年 2 月 10 日。
And I remember we all just went crazy over that, like, what does that mean?
我记得我们都为此疯狂，这意味着什么？
What the hell was that?
那到底是什么？
Who the hell was that?
那到底是谁？
Did anyone recognize that voice?
有人认出那个声音吗？
No, I didn't recognize that voice.
不，我不认识那个声音。
So I thought that it was like, are they announcing that because that's the day we're going to die?
所以我想，他们宣布这一消息是因为那一天我们就要死了吗？
Because I thought when they said the date, it was going to be like, today's Thursday, February 10, and one student has died.
因为我认为当他们说出日期时，应该是今天，2 月 10 日，星期四，一名学生去世了。
I thought they were going to finish it like that, make a whole big thing, but they just said the date.
我以为他们会这样完成它，做成一件大事，但他们只是说了日期。
So I was like, what?
所以我想，什么？
You thought they were going to announce deaths on the loudspeaker?
你以为他们会用扩音器宣布死亡消息吗？
I thought they were going to announce like some something has actually happened because at that point, nothing had happened.
我以为他们会宣布好像确实发生了一些事情，因为那时什么也没有发生。
So maybe oh, they would announce something.
所以也许哦，他们会宣布一些事情。
We had a school shooter.
We had a school shooter.
We had a bomb.
We had a bomb.
We fixed it.
我们修好了。
Now you can go.
现在你可以走了。
We blah, blah, blah.
We blah, blah, blah.
You're like, what's the rest of that sentence?
你会想，这句话的其余部分是什么？
Yeah.
是的。
What's the rest?
剩下的是什么？
What happened today?
今天发生什么事了？
Which story are we in, and how does this story end?
我们处于哪个故事中，这个故事的结局如何？
Harper and Lyra stayed in lockdown for around three hours.
哈珀和莱拉被封锁了大约三个小时。
The normal end of school, 3:00 PM, came and went.
下午 3:00 是正常的放学时间，来了又去。
Lyra's rehearsal for Annie never started.
莱拉为安妮排练的工作从未开始。
Eventually, police came into the classroom with guns, helmets, and tactical gear, told everyone to put their hands up, and they walked in a line out of the building.
最终，警察带着枪、头盔和战术装备走进教室，让每个人举起手来，然后他们排队走出大楼。
Later, parents suspected that the loudspeaker announcement was actually the police.
后来，家长怀疑扩音器播报的其实是警方。
A caller had said he was in the school bathroom with two hostages and a gun.
一名打电话的人说，他带着两名人质和一把枪在学校卫生间里。
The police thought the shooter was out of state, and parents heard that that announcement was a test to see if he was in the building.
警方认为枪手不在州内，家长们听说这一消息是为了测试他是否在大楼里。
Would police hear the PA system announcement if they got the shooter on the phone?
如果警察接到枪手的电话，他们会听到公共广播系统的通知吗？
They didn't.
他们没有。
There were no hostages.
没有人质。
There was no shooter, not for Lyra and Harper's school, not for the lockdown in San Antonio, where Audrey, the mom, had her son's picture ready to show to the police.
没有枪手，莱拉和哈珀的学校没有，圣安东尼奥的封锁也没有，在那里，母亲奥黛丽准备向警方展示儿子的照片。
There was just the much more commonplace experience of a school lockdown that had a supposedly happy ending.
有一种更常见的经历，即学校封锁，但据说有一个美好的结局。
There are the established, respected rituals of an American high school experience-- prom, graduation, homecoming-- all those times where people come together and share some sort of collective experience.
美国高中经历有一些既定的、受人尊敬的仪式——舞会、毕业典礼、返校节——在这些时候，人们聚在一起分享某种集体经历。
A school lockdown is like that, another kind of school ritual.
学校封锁就是这样，另一种学校仪式。
Like prom, it comes with its own traditions and expectations.
就像舞会一样，它有自己的传统和期望。
You've imagined what it will be like ahead of time, who you might be.
你已经提前想象过它会是什么样子，你可能是谁。
And later, you will look back and say, remember when that thing happened?
后来，你会回头说，还记得那件事是什么时候发生的吗？
You'll look back and say, of course that person did that.
当你回头看时，你会说，那人当然这么做了。
A high schooler named Jada in New Jersey told me that years ago, back in first grade, they all hid in the closet for a lockdown and one kid fell asleep.
新泽西州一位名叫贾达的高中生告诉我，几年前，一年级时，他们都躲在壁橱里进行封锁，其中一个孩子睡着了。
People laughed about that for years.
人们为此嘲笑了很多年。
Another time, her freshman year, she wound up hiding in the closet again.
还有一次，在她大一的时候，她再次躲在衣柜里。
That was her longest lockdown, and a student kept asking to go to the bathroom.
那是她被隔离时间最长的一次，一名学生一直要求去洗手间。
The teacher kept saying no.
老师一直说不。
I remember him peeing in a water bottle.
我记得他在水瓶里撒尿。
Actually?
实际上？
Jada The teacher was-- yes, he was peeing in the water bottle.
贾达 老师——是的，他在水瓶里撒尿。
Wow.
哇。
In front of all of you?
In front of all of you?
Jada She made him go behind a bookshelf, and we had to move to the front of the closet so we wouldn't see him.
贾达：她让他走到书架后面，我们不得不移到壁橱前面，这样我们就看不到他了。
I think it was embarrassing for all of us because we were just like, oh, this is awkward.
我认为这对我们所有人来说都很尴尬，因为我们就像，哦，这很尴尬。
He's just there, peeing, and we could kind of hear him.
他就在那里撒尿，我们可以听到他的声音。
It was just not a good moment.
这只是一个不太好的时刻。
It was a not-good moment that later, after the lockdown, not a single person mentioned again.
这是一个不太好的时刻，后来封锁之后，没有人再提起。
He never became the kid who peed in the lockdown.
他从来没有成为那个在封锁期间撒尿的孩子。
Jada says with that one, everyone just had a "what happens in the lockdown stays in the lockdown" attitude about the whole thing.
贾达说，对于整个事情，每个人都抱有一种“封锁期间发生的事情就留在封锁中”的态度。
She just thinks they all knew it could have been them.
她只是认为他们都知道可能是他们。
Coming up, a middle schooler and a new law grow up side by side.
接下来，一个中学生和一个新法律并肩成长。
What happens when they finally meet?
当他们最终见面时会发生什么？
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt)，代理艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
Today's show, kids are at the center of so many political debates these days, like the debate that follows every school shooting about guns and hovers above the lives of actual kids, circling, but never touching down, never really making much of an impact.
在今天的节目中，孩子们成为了当今许多政治辩论的中心，就像每次校园枪击事件之后有关枪支的辩论一样，它盘旋在真正孩子的生活之上，盘旋，但从未落地，从未真正产生太大影响。
In our next story, another adult debate that is super heated right now lands directly in the life of one kid our producer, Alix Spiegel, has been spending time with, a kid named Finn in Alabama.
在我们的下一个故事中，另一场目前非常激烈的成人辩论直接发生在我们的制片人阿利克斯·斯皮格尔（Alix Spiegel）一直陪伴的一个孩子的生活中，这个孩子来自阿拉巴马州，名叫芬恩（Finn）。
Alabama recently passed two laws that focus on the lives of trans kids.
阿拉巴马州最近通过了两项关注跨性别儿童生活的法律。
It's one of many states to do so.
这是许多这样做的州之一。
There's been a massive increase in these kinds of bills across the country.
全国范围内此类账单大幅增加。
Republican state legislators have proposed 69 new bills to restrict gender affirming treatment, 14 new bathroom bills, 50 school restrictions, so-called Don't Say Gay bills, and 130 sports bans.
共和党州立法者提出了 69 项限制性别肯定待遇的新法案、14 项新的卫生间法案、50 项学校限制法案、所谓的“不要说同性恋法案”和 130 项体育禁令。
Meanwhile, Finn has been growing up.
与此同时，芬恩也在成长。
And what's so special about this next story is that you can see how these bills develop alongside his life as he goes from eighth grade to high school and what happens when they enter the picture.
下一个故事的特别之处在于，你可以看到这些账单如何随着他从八年级到高中的生活而发展，以及当它们进入画面时会发生什么。
Act Two, Finn Raises His Hand.
Act Two, Finn Raises His Hand.
Here's Alix.
这是阿利克斯。
A year before the laws found their way into Finn's life, he was in eighth grade.
在法律进入芬恩生活的前一年，他正在上八年级。
And like most eighth graders, he wasn't carefully tracking bills in the Alabama state legislature.
和大多数八年级学生一样，他没有仔细跟踪阿拉巴马州立法机构的法案。
His attention was on other things.
His attention was on other things.
There were funny YouTube videos to watch and unfortunate amounts of math homework to do and the problem of which color to dye his hair, green or purple or blue.
有有趣的 YouTube 视频可供观看，还有大量的数学作业要做，还有要把头发染成绿色、紫色或蓝色的问题。
Finn's one of those kids who likes to learn without liking school, so he's taught himself all kinds of things-- to draw and paint, to play guitar.
芬恩是那些喜欢学习而不喜欢上学的孩子之一，所以他自学了各种各样的东西——画画、弹吉他。
He even fished his father's abandoned electric piano out of the corner of the music room and somehow taught himself to play.
他甚至从音乐室的角落里捞出父亲废弃的电钢琴，并以某种方式自学弹奏。
Alix Spiegel Finn lives in Grove Hill, Alabama, a small town roughly two hours southwest of Montgomery.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔·芬恩 (Alix Spiegel Finn) 住在阿拉巴马州格罗夫山 (Grove Hill)，这是一个距离蒙哥马利西南约两小时车程的小镇。
In his small house, there are many heartbeats.
In his small house, there are many heartbeats.
There's his mother, Jody, and his father, Josh, his two sisters, Allison and Layla, and a Noah's Ark of animals.
其中有他的母亲乔迪、他的父亲乔什、他的两个姐妹艾莉森和莱拉，以及一艘诺亚方舟的动物。
So we have Simon, Kevin-- they're brothers-- and Reggie, that's three cats.
我们有西蒙、凯文——他们是兄弟——还有雷吉，这是三只猫。
We have Lobo, which is our dog, the bunny.
We have Lobo, which is our dog, the bunny.
Allison has two lizards, Speed and--
Allison has two lizards, Speed and--
There's a duck in the backyard that gives off intense anger vibes and a whole bunch of chickens Finn decided to raise because Finn loves animals.
后院有一只鸭子，散发着强烈的愤怒气息，芬恩决定饲养一大堆鸡，因为芬恩喜欢动物。
This is just the chicken coop.
This is just the chicken coop.
That's the duck coop.
That's the duck coop.
Oh my gosh.
天哪。
And then you have a one-eyed cat?
And then you have a one-eyed cat?
Yep.
是的。
That's Reggie.
That's Reggie.
Alix Spiegel Hi, Reggie.
Alix Spiegel Hi, Reggie.
When Finn was little, he says he liked Grove Hill a lot.
芬恩小时候说他非常喜欢格罗夫山。
It felt green and free, but as he got older, things got more complicated.
感觉既绿色又自由，但随着年龄的增长，事情变得更加复杂。
Grove Hill is a conservative Christian community, a church-three-times-a-week kind of place, as his mom likes to say.
格罗夫山是一个保守的基督教社区，正如他妈妈喜欢说的那样，是一个每周去三次教堂的地方。
So Finn felt extremely anxious when he first decided to come out as trans in eighth grade.
因此，当芬恩在八年级第一次决定出柜时，他感到非常焦虑。
This was in the spring of 2021, after he and his classmates returned from COVID to in-person learning.
那是在 2021 年春天，他和他的同学们从新冠疫情中恢复到面对面学习之后。
I didn't want to have to tell it, and I know people can't read minds, but I didn't want to explain it.
我不想说出来，我知道人们无法读懂思想，但我不想解释它。
I just wanted them to be like, yeah.
I just wanted them to be like, yeah.
Cool.
凉爽的。
That's who you are.
这就是你。
This is your name.
这是你的名字。
Go with it.
随它去吧。
Because it was still very awkward back then.
Because it was still very awkward back then.
Awkward for a million reasons, because the people in eighth grade had known him as a girl for as long as they had known him, because it's always hard to tell people that you see every day something that you're not sure they want to hear.
有一百万个理由让我感到尴尬，因为八年级的人们从认识他起就知道他是个女孩，因为总是很难告诉人们你每天都会看到一些你不确定他们想听的东西。
And then, of course, Finn was 14.
And then, of course, Finn was 14.
And pretty much every conversation you have when you're 14 is awkward, but Finn, this naturally shy kid, whose main social goal is to stay under the radar, forced himself.
14 岁的时候，几乎每次谈话都会很尴尬，但芬恩这个天生害羞的孩子，主要的社交目标是保持低调，他强迫自己这么做。
On the very first day of in-person learning, he says he lingered by his teacher's desk after class.
他说，在面对面学习的第一天，下课后他在老师的办公桌前徘徊。
I hung back, and I was just like, hey-- I think I said, my name's Finn now, and I use he/him pronouns.
我犹豫了一下，然后我就想，嘿——我想我说过，我现在叫芬恩，我用他/他的代词。
And she was just like, oh.
And she was just like, oh.
It didn't seem like she was disgusted or didn't seem like she wanted to do that.
她似乎并不厌恶或不想这样做。
She just seemed more shocked.
She just seemed more shocked.
I don't think she's ever encountered anyone.
I don't think she's ever encountered anyone.
At this point-- again, this is the spring of Finn's eighth grade year-- trans kids were not yet constantly in the headlines, and Finn says most of his teachers were open and sweet with him.
此时——再次，这是芬恩八年级的春天——跨性别孩子还没有经常成为头条新闻，芬恩说他的大多数老师对他都很开放和友善。
And so were your teachers good about using the right pronouns and everything?
那么你的老师擅长使用正确的代词和一切吗？
For the most part.
大多数情况下。
I mean, it takes anyone a couple minutes.
I mean, it takes anyone a couple minutes.
Pronouns are not a small thing for Finn.
Pronouns are not a small thing for Finn.
When people refer to him with the wrong pronoun, he says it's so distressing, he often feels physically ill.
当人们用错误的代词指代他时，他说这太令人痛苦了，他经常感到身体不适。
It's a response that's not uncommon.
It's a response that's not uncommon.
Sometimes it's like a pain in my gut.
Sometimes it's like a pain in my gut.
Sometimes I actually feel like I'm going to puke.
有时候我真的感觉自己要吐了。
Sometimes I just have to walk away and actually make sure I don't.
有时我只需要走开，并确保我没有走开。
But queasiness wasn't much of a problem in middle school.
但在中学时，恶心并不是什么大问题。
Finn remembers telling his friends for the first time that he wanted to go by "he."
芬恩记得第一次告诉他的朋友他想用“他”。
I think they threatened if anyone messed up, they'd punch them.
我认为他们威胁说，如果有人搞砸了，他们就会打他们。
I don't specifically remember that, but I think that was one of the reactions.
我不太记得了，但我认为这是反应之一。
It made me laugh.
这让我笑了。
And that's the way it went for the rest of the year.
这就是今年剩余时间的情况。
The teachers were open.
The teachers were open.
The kids were on board.
The kids were on board.
And in May, Finn graduated from middle school feeling good, comfortable.
五月，芬恩中学毕业，感觉良好、舒适。
Finn's parents, Josh and Jody, were incredibly relieved.
芬恩的父母乔什和乔迪松了一口气。
They've lived in Grove Hill for most of their lives, and so have a nuanced view of the community, all the contradictions that Grove Hill, Alabama contains.
他们在格罗夫山生活了大半辈子，因此对社区以及阿拉巴马州格罗夫山所包含的所有矛盾有着细致入微的看法。
Jody told me that though many of their friends seemed completely indifferent to whether Finn was trans or not and loved him no matter what, maybe even more people in the community find the experience of her child difficult to understand, and even his existence unsettling-- which brings me to high school.
乔迪告诉我，虽然他们的许多朋友似乎对芬恩是否是跨性别者完全漠不关心，并且无论如何都爱他，但也许社区中更多的人发现她孩子的经历难以理解，甚至他的存在令人不安——这让我进入了高中。
This is Finn's mom, Jody.
This is Finn's mom, Jody.
Two days before school actually started, he said, what am I supposed to do if I have to go to the bathroom at school?
开学前两天，他说，如果我必须在学校上厕所怎么办？
And I guess I was naive because it still didn't click.
我想我很天真，因为它仍然没有点击。
I was like, well, what do you mean?
I was like, well, what do you mean?
If you have to go to the bathroom, go to the bathroom, which is so stupid now.
如果你必须去洗手间，就去洗手间，现在这太愚蠢了。
And he said, no. Which one am I supposed to use?
他说，不。 Which one am I supposed to use?
I don't want to go to the girl's room.
I don't want to go to the girl's room.
Now, there were no laws dictating where Finn could go to the bathroom, not yet anyway.
现在，还没有法律规定芬恩可以去哪里上厕所，至少目前还没有。
So when Jody talked with the school principal about what Finn should do, the principal quickly came up with a solution.
所以当乔迪和校长谈论芬恩应该做什么时，校长很快就想出了一个解决办法。
Finn could use the single-stall bathroom in the teacher's lounge.
芬恩可以使用教师休息室的单间浴室。
This suited him fine.
This suited him fine.
And Finn says at the beginning of school, he was feeling relatively optimistic.
芬恩说，在上学之初，他感觉相对乐观。
I wasn't as worried with my names or pronouns more than I was finding my locker and finding the classes.
我并不担心自己的名字或代词，而是担心找到我的储物柜和找到课程。
But almost immediately, Finn encountered pushback.
但几乎立刻，芬恩就遇到了阻力。
It started in geometry class.
It started in geometry class.
Teacher was calling roll, and I tried going up to them while they're doing it so they won't call out my dead name, but she told me to sit down.
老师正在点名，我试着在他们点名的时候走到他们身边，这样他们就不会喊出我死去的名字，但她让我坐下。
And she called out my name.
And she called out my name.
And when she walked up to me, I corrected her.
And when she walked up to me, I corrected her.
I tell her that that's not my name, and I use a different name and pronouns.
我告诉她那不是我的名字，我使用了不同的名字和代词。
And she was like, no. I'm not going to do that.
她说，不。我不会那样做。
I'm going to go off of what's on the paper.
I'm going to go off of what's on the paper.
And it wasn't just the geometry teacher.
And it wasn't just the geometry teacher.
There was pushback from Finn's English teacher, his science teacher, even his history and hobbies teacher.
芬恩的英语老师、科学老师、甚至历史和兴趣爱好老师都反对他。
She pulled me aside and she told me that she respects kids, and she loves kids, and all that.
她把我拉到一边，告诉我她尊重孩子，她喜欢孩子，等等。
That's why she became a teacher and whatever.
That's why she became a teacher and whatever.
She'll do the name, but she won't do the pronouns because that's not what I believe in.
她会说出名字，但不会说出代词，因为那不是我所相信的。
I'm not going to do that.
我不会那样做。
I'll just not call on you.
I'll just not call on you.
It's impossible to know the exact why behind this resistance.
不可能知道这种抵制背后的确切原因。
I reached out to Finn's teachers, the school principal, the superintendent's office.
我联系了芬恩的老师、校长和学监办公室。
All either declined to talk to me or didn't respond, but it's clear that the national conversation was changing and growing.
所有人要么拒绝与我交谈，要么没有回应，但很明显，全国性的对话正在发生变化和发展。
There were more and more bills directed at trans kids, regulating how they played sports, where they went to the bathroom, what kind of medical care they could get access to, sometimes forbidding any discussion of trans issues in school at all.
针对跨性别儿童的法案越来越多，规定他们如何进行体育运动、去哪里上厕所、可以获得什么样的医疗服务，有时根本禁止在学校讨论跨性别问题。
Did that influence this response?
这影响了这个反应吗？
Was it simply teacher luck of the draw?
Was it simply teacher luck of the draw?
All Finn knew was that very, very unfortunately, the feelings of the teachers seemed to be spreading.
芬恩只知道非常非常不幸的是，老师们的情绪似乎正在蔓延。
Talking to me, saying the wrong pronouns.
跟我说话，说错了代词。
It affected how other people saw me, but slowly, in a way.
它在某种程度上影响了其他人对我的看法，但速度很慢。
It was more gradually obvious that people thought I was a girl.
人们逐渐明显地认为我是个女孩。
It was around December of his freshman year that Finn began to think more seriously about medical transition, finding a doctor who could provide hormone blockers and, eventually, testosterone.
大约在大一的 12 月，芬恩开始更认真地考虑医疗转型，寻找一位可以提供激素阻滞剂并最终提供睾丸激素的医生。
Finn thought it might help people to see him the right way.
芬恩认为这可能会帮助人们以正确的方式看待他。
I'm very-- I'm so insecure about how high my voice can go.
我对自己的声音能调到多高非常没有信心。
So if I was able to access that stuff, it'd probably help a lot.
因此，如果我能够访问这些内容，可能会有很大帮助。
When Finn talked to Jody about getting treatment, hormone blockers and testosterone, she told him she was open to the idea, but needed to make sure it was safe first.
当芬恩与乔迪谈论接受治疗、激素阻滞剂和睾酮时，她告诉他她对这个想法持开放态度，但首先需要确保它是安全的。
She said she'd research it.
她说她会研究一下。
So Finn plowed forward, played in band, suffered through geometry, and also became increasingly distressed, worried that his teachers would continue to misgender him, that the kids at school would continue to question whether he was truly a boy, that it would all just keep on getting worse.
于是芬恩奋力前行，在乐队中演奏，忍受着几何的折磨，同时也变得越来越苦恼，担心他的老师会继续错误地对待他，学校的孩子们会继续质疑他是否真的是一个男孩，担心一切只会变得更糟。
And then one day in geometry, Finn hit a breaking point.
然后有一天，芬恩在几何学上遇到了突破点。
She either dead named me or misgendered me, one or the other, in front of the class.
她要么在全班同学面前给我取了错误的名字，要么把我的性别搞错了，两者皆有。
And then she passed out a test paper.
然后她递出了一张试卷。
And all my papers, I usually write, Finn, he/him, just like a little reminder note.
我所有的论文，我通常都会写，Finn，他/他，就像一个小提醒便条一样。
And I did that.
我就这么做了。
After writing that, I wrote, it was either, please stop dead naming me or misgendering me or I will kill myself.
写完这篇文章后，我写道，要么，请停止给我命名或错误地性别化我，否则我会自杀。
I remember writing it and then erasing it and then writing it back.
我记得写过它，然后擦掉它，然后写回来。
I was scared of what was going to happen, saying that.
我很害怕会发生什么，所以才这么说。
Like, if they would tell my mom.
就像，如果他们愿意告诉我妈妈的话。
I was scared my mom would believe it, so I erased it.
我怕妈妈相信，所以就删掉了。
But then I was like, I don't care.
但后来我想，我不在乎。
This teacher needs to stop.
这位老师该停下来了。
So I wrote it back, I did my test, and I turned it in.
所以我写了回来，做了测试，然后上交了。
Finn says he wasn't really going to commit suicide if the teacher didn't use the right pronouns.
芬恩说，如果老师没有使用正确的代词，他就不会真的自杀。
He just couldn't think of another way to communicate his distress.
他只是想不出其他的方式来表达他的痛苦。
The problem of suicide is incredibly serious among trans kids.
跨性别儿童的自杀问题极其严重。
A recent study showed that in 2020, roughly one in two trans youth seriously consider suicide, though when parents and schools are accepting, the rate of actual suicide attempts falls dramatically.
最近的一项研究表明，到 2020 年，大约有二分之一的跨性别青少年认真考虑自杀，尽管当父母和学校接受时，实际自杀企图的比率会大幅下降。
Finn's mom, Jody, did talk to the teacher about this note.
芬恩的妈妈乔迪确实和老师谈过这张纸条。
And she says that she walked away from the conversation feeling at least a little bit better.
她说，当她结束谈话时，感觉至少好一点了。
She told me she could see the teacher cared for Finn, but felt like using his right name and pronouns was against her religion.
她告诉我，她可以看到老师关心芬恩，但觉得使用他的正确名字和代词违反了她的宗教信仰。
She wasn't at all abrasive with me.
她对我一点也不粗鲁。
She didn't tense when I brought anything up.
当我提出任何事情时，她并没有紧张。
She actually-- she cried when I started explaining some things like, OK well, this is what you did, but this is how it's made him feel.
事实上，当我开始解释一些事情时，她哭了，比如，好吧，这就是你所做的，但这就是他的感受。
And she was just like, oh my goodness.
她就像，天哪。
I'm so sorry.
我很抱歉。
I never-- that wasn't my intention.
我从来没有——那不是我的意图。
So that was Finn before the bills passed-- fragile, struggling to settle into high school and get through his day.
这就是法案通过之前的芬恩——脆弱的，努力适应高中生活并度过他的一天。
And then the lawmakers in Montgomery stepped into Finn's life.
然后蒙哥马利的立法者走进了芬恩的生活。
Well, listen.
好吧，听着。
We want to make sure that we protect these kids.
我们希望确保保护这些孩子。
There's a lot of reasons, a lot of things we do in the state to make sure that they can't have alcohol, can't have tobacco, they can't have vaping.
有很多原因，我们在该州做了很多事情来确保他们不能喝酒，不能吸烟，不能吸电子烟。
This is Alabama State Representative Wes Allen, one of the Republicans who sponsored the bills, talking to reporters in the press room of the state capitol on April 7 of this year, immediately after the bills passed.
这是该法案的共和党人之一、阿拉巴马州众议员韦斯·艾伦今年4月7日法案通过后立即在州议会大厦新闻发布室对记者发表的讲话。
The first bill, HB 322, was a bathroom bill.
第一份账单 HB 322 是浴室账单。
And for Finn, would mean he'd have to use the girls restroom, not his single stall in the teacher's lounge.
对于芬恩来说，这意味着他必须使用女洗手间，而不是教师休息室的单独隔间。
The second bill, SB 184, made it a felony to provide any minor in the state with gender-affirming medical care, meaning Finn wouldn't have access to the hormones that could help him with his voice.
第二项法案 SB 184 规定，向该州任何未成年人提供性别确认医疗服务均属重罪，这意味着芬恩将无法获得有助于他发声的荷尔蒙。
As Representative Allen explains, he and his colleagues believe that teenagers are too young for this kind of treatment.
正如艾伦众议员所解释的那样，他和他的同事认为青少年对于这种治疗来说还太年轻。
Their minds are not fully developed to make these decisions on these medications and surgeries, and that's what the bill is about, to protect minors.
他们的思想尚未完全成熟，无法就这些药物和手术做出这些决定，而这就是该法案的目的，以保护未成年人。
To be clear, the American Medical Association, the American Association of Pediatrics, the American College of Physicians, a whole bunch of groups all say kids should have access to gender-affirming medical care and oppose legislation like this.
需要明确的是，美国医学会、美国儿科协会、美国医师学会等一大堆团体都表示孩子应该获得性别肯定的医疗服务，并反对这样的立法。
I went to visit Finn and Jody in May, shortly after the bills passed, but before Jody had a chance to sit down and tell Finn about them.
五月，法案通过后不久，但在乔迪有机会坐下来告诉芬恩之前，我去拜访了芬恩和乔迪。
She told me she held off when she first heard, because the fate of the medical bill was immediately thrown into question by a court challenge, and she didn't want to disturb Finn unless it turned out to be absolutely necessary.
她告诉我，当她第一次听说时，她犹豫了，因为医疗账单的命运立即受到法庭挑战的质疑，除非事实证明绝对有必要，否则她不想打扰芬恩。
But then, the first night I was there, Finn, Jody, and I were sitting around, talking, and the subject of the legislation came up.
但后来，我到达那里的第一个晚上，芬恩、乔迪和我围坐在一起聊天，立法的主题就出现了。
And suddenly, we found ourselves inside the conversation that Jody had been delaying, the conversation where she explained to Finn that a bathroom bill had passed and would become official law over the summer break, so when Finn started 10th grade in the fall, he might be forced to use the girls bathroom.
突然，我们发现自己陷入了乔迪一直拖延的谈话中，她向芬恩解释说，一项厕所法案已经通过，并将在暑假期间成为正式法律，所以当芬恩秋季开始十年级时，他可能会被迫使用女生厕所。
The bathroom bill, that's supposed to go into effect on July 1 of this year, which means if nothing happens and there's not anything to come up and stop it, at the start of the school year, that's in effect.
厕所法案预计将于今年 7 月 1 日生效，这意味着如果没有发生任何事情，也没有任何事情可以阻止它，那么在学年开始时，该法案就会生效。
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
Alix Spiegel As soon as Finn heard about the bathroom bill, his face drained of color, and you could see tears in his eyes.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 (Alix Spiegel) 芬恩一听说浴室账单的事，脸色就变得苍白，你可以看到他眼中的泪水。
It's OK to be upset.
心烦意乱没关系。
We are upset with you.
我们对你感到不满。
Jody told Finn she knew this was not the news that he wanted to hear, but she felt like he needed to understand now that there could be a different arrangement in the fall.
乔迪告诉芬恩，她知道这不是他想听到的消息，但她觉得他现在需要明白，秋天可能会有不同的安排。
She said she had talked to the school principal, who in the past had been incredibly helpful and kind to Jody and Finn.
她说她已经和校长谈过，校长过去对乔迪和芬恩非常有帮助和友善。
Even he was like, look, we don't know what's going to happen.
就连他也说，看，我们不知道会发生什么。
We don't know.
我们不知道。
We're all going to try to hold out hope that things go the way we want them to.
我们都会努力抱有希望，希望事情按照我们希望的方式发展。
And if things don't go the way that you deserve them to go, as a human being, we'll go from there and regroup.
如果事情没有按照你应得的方式发展，作为一个人，我们将从那里重新集结。
Jody started talking through some of the regrouping options, but Finn just sat silent, saying nothing.
乔迪开始谈论一些重组选项，但芬恩只是静静地坐着，什么也没说。
Then one of the many animals who live in the house appeared in the doorway.
然后，住在房子里的众多动物中的一只出现在门口。
It was Finn's personal cat, Simon.
这是芬恩的私人猫西蒙。
Look.
看。
Simon immediately knows you're upset because he's racing right up here.
西蒙立刻就知道你很沮丧，因为他就在这里比赛。
[CAT MEOWS] What a baby.
[猫喵喵] 真是个宝贝。
We'll get it all figured out.
我们会把一切弄清楚的。
All is not lost.
一切并没有失去。
I can always bring my Bible up there and whack them with it if I need to.
如果需要的话，我总是可以把我的圣经带到那里，用它敲打他们。
You OK?
你还好吗？
OK.
好的。
A couple of weeks after this conversation, school let out, and I didn't see or talk to Finn and Jody until August, right before the start of the school year.
这次谈话几周后，学校放学了，直到八月，即学年开始前，我才见到芬恩和乔迪，也没有与他们交谈。
Jody told me that Finn had had a good summer.
乔迪告诉我芬恩度过了一个愉快的夏天。
He's in his first long-term relationship with a 16-year-old who lives one town over.
这是他与住在一个城镇的 16 岁男孩建立的第一段长期恋爱关系。
They spent a lot of time together.
他们花了很多时间在一起。
They watched YouTube, went roller skating, and of course, spent countless hours playfully insulting each other in that way that teenagers always do.
他们看 YouTube，去滑旱冰，当然，还花了无数个小时开玩笑地互相侮辱，就像青少年经常做的那样。
Also, over the summer, the bathroom bill that so distressed Finn quietly became law.
此外，整个夏天，令芬恩苦恼的浴室账单悄然成为法律。
Jody told me that a couple of days before my visit, she'd reached out to the school principal to see if they'd keep Finn's accommodation and was eventually told that Finn would have access to the bathroom, but only Finn, and only as long as no other kid in school came out or complained in any way.
乔迪告诉我，在我来访的前几天，她联系了校长，询问他们是否会保留芬恩的住宿，最终被告知芬恩可以使用卫生间，但只有芬恩可以使用，而且前提是学校里没有其他孩子出来或以任何方式抱怨。
For whatever reason, Finn had been grandfathered in, but the door was closed behind him.
无论出于何种原因，芬恩都被视为祖父，但他身后的门却关上了。
Jody said Finn was deeply discouraged by the arrangement, and that after he'd found out, he'd taken a nosedive in terms of mood.
乔迪说芬恩对这种安排深感沮丧，在他发现后，他的情绪急剧下降。
He was sure the bathroom would be taken away and that people would be even worse about using the right pronouns.
他确信浴室会被拿走，而且人们在使用正确的代词方面会更糟糕。
Jody said he started talking almost relentlessly about dropping out.
乔迪说，他开始几乎无情地谈论退学。
It wasn't just the law, she said, but after the difficulty of the previous year, this extra piece of weight felt to him like it, quote, "sealed his fate."
她说，这不仅仅是法律的问题，而且在经历了前一年的困难之后，这额外的重量对他来说就像“决定了他的命运”。
It's true that the Finn I found when I returned to Grove Hill felt like a different kid.
确实，当我回到格罗夫山时发现的那个芬兰人感觉就像是一个不同的孩子。
He seemed much smaller than before, emotionally, even physically.
他看起来比以前小了很多，无论是情感上，还是身体上。
And you could tell from the way that he was talking that he was in that kind of pain that bubbles out into the open, even when you don't want it to.
你可以从他说话的方式看出，他正处于那种公开化的痛苦之中，即使你不希望如此。
For example, towards the start of our conversation, I asked what I thought would be a fun warm-up question.
例如，在我们谈话开始时，我问了一个我认为很有趣的热身问题。
I'd been privately wondering, how would I begin this story?
我私下里一直在想，我该如何开始这个故事呢？
What was the right way to introduce this kid to people like you?
将这个孩子介绍给像您这样的人的正确方式是什么？
So I asked Finn to decide for himself.
所以我让芬恩自己决定。
OK.
好的。
If you could choose, how would the story of you start?
如果可以选择，你的故事会如何开始？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Just a kid trying to be happy.
只是一个想要快乐的孩子。
Why do you look like you're about to cry?
为什么你看起来像是快要哭了？
Because you're about to cry?
因为你快要哭了？
(TEARFULLY) I mean, I don't want to.
（泪流满面）我的意思是，我不想。
I don't like school.
我不喜欢学校。
We talked about the bathroom work-around, how precarious it was.
我们讨论了浴室的解决办法，它是多么不稳定。
I was glad that they still kept the bathroom for me, but I also think it's stupid that if anyone else wants to feel comfortable at school in a bathroom, since they can't.
我很高兴他们仍然为我保留了浴室，但我也认为如果其他人想在学校的浴室里感到舒服，那是很愚蠢的，因为他们做不到。
Finn's solution if the bathroom got taken away is what a lot of people do in this situation.
如果浴室被拿走，芬恩的解决方案就是很多人在这种情况下所做的。
If the bathroom's taken away from me, I'll just-- just not use the bathroom.
如果浴室被剥夺了，我就不再使用浴室了。
At school all day?
整天都在学校吗？
Finn Yeah.
芬恩 是的。
Just avoid drinks, I guess, breakfast.
我想，只要避免喝酒，早餐就可以了。
Because I really don't use the bathroom that much, anyways, at school.
因为无论如何，在学校我真的不怎么使用卫生间。
In the weeks before this story was scheduled to air, I called around to some of the lawyers and caregivers in Alabama who monitor trans kids to find out what they were seeing.
在这个故事预定播出前几周，我打电话给阿拉巴马州一些监视跨性别儿童的律师和护理人员，以了解他们所看到的情况。
And the reports I got back were pretty grim.
我收到的报告非常严峻。
One lawyer told me that she was getting reports that even the kids who always loved school were suddenly resistant to going, and there were serious concerns that there would be increased incidence of self harm.
一位律师告诉我，她收到的报告称，即使是那些一向热爱上学的孩子也突然不愿上学，而且人们严重担心自残的发生率会增加。
In a way, despite how difficult this has been for him, Finn is kind of a best-case scenario.
在某种程度上，尽管这对芬恩来说有多么困难，但他是最好的情况。
He has parents who unconditionally support him.
他有无条件支持他的父母。
Hi, Finn.
嗨，芬恩。
How are you doing?
你好吗？
It's been so long.
已经过去这么久了。
How are you?
你好吗？
A few days ago, I spoke with Finn for the first time since I visited in August and found out that he was doing surprisingly well.
几天前，我自八月份拜访芬恩以来第一次与芬恩交谈，发现他的表现出奇的好。
How are the teachers treating you so far this year?
今年到目前为止，老师们对你怎么样？
The teachers are good.
老师们都很好。
No problem with some.
有的没问题。
Finn said all his teachers were being respectful about pronouns and name stuff this year, and though there had been a couple of incidents, including a pretty serious fistfight, he was holding on for sure.
芬恩说，今年他所有的老师都尊重代词和名字，尽管发生了几起事件，包括一场相当严重的打架，但他肯定会坚持下去。
No one had come forward to complain about the bathroom, and no other kids had come out, so Finn found himself preoccupied with less existential problems.
没有人站出来抱怨浴室的问题，也没有其他孩子出来，所以芬恩发现自己全神贯注于不那么关乎生存的问题。
Grades, trying to get ungrounded, slowly.
成绩，试图慢慢地脱离地面。
Hanging out with friends, trying not to miss something.
和朋友一起出去玩，尽量不要错过任何事情。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Finn Speaking of grades, I got all A's.
芬恩 说到成绩，我得了全 A。
Thank you.
谢谢。
It was all low A's, though.
不过，这一切都是低A。
I think two of them were 92's.
我记得其中有两个是92年的。
Finn told me he doesn't think about the laws every day, but when he does, they make him mad.
芬恩告诉我，他并不是每天都思考法律，但当他思考时，就会让他发疯。
I guess just because I'm a kid, I don't get why people decide to do certain laws that have nothing to do with them.
我想只是因为我是个孩子，我不明白为什么人们决定执行某些与他们无关的法律。
I think it's stupid, in a way.
我认为这在某种程度上很愚蠢。
Finn and his family are doing what they can to adapt, and they did have a small victory recently because of a different law, one that's been on the books forever.
芬恩和他的家人正在尽其所能去适应，而且最近他们确实取得了一些小小的胜利，因为一项不同的法律已经永远记录在案了。
It lets anyone change their name to whatever they want.
它允许任何人将自己的名字更改为他们想要的任何名称。
Finn and Jody got the paperwork done over the summer.
芬恩和乔迪在夏天完成了文书工作。
And a few weeks ago, a new social security card arrived in the mail.
几周前，一张新的社会保障卡寄到了。
In the eyes of the law, "Finn" is now Finn's official name.
在法律上，“芬恩”现在是芬恩的正式名称。
No teacher or legislator can say anything different.
没有老师或立法者可以说任何不同的话。
Still, the laws passed earlier this year hover in the air as Finn goes about his day.
尽管如此，随着芬恩一天的生活，今年早些时候通过的法律仍然悬而未决。
From his perspective, they don't protect him.
从他的角度来看，他们并没有保护他。
They just create obstacles.
他们只是制造障碍。
They've made the job of being Finn more difficult.
他们让成为芬兰人的工作变得更加困难。
Alix Spiegel is one of the producers of our show.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔是我们节目的制片人之一。
One more thing before we close this cereal bar down.
在我们关闭这家谷物棒之前还有一件事。
I saw an article recently, as I was working on this episode, from NBC News.
我最近在制作这一集时看到了 NBC 新闻的一篇文章。
And it weirdly connects the two stories in today's show in a way I did not see coming.
它以一种我没有想到的方式奇怪地连接了今天节目中的两个故事。
It's an investigation into a popular conspiracy theory.
这是对流行阴谋论的调查。
Maybe you've heard it.
也许你听说过。
It is that schools all across the country are offering litter boxes to kids who identify as cats.
全国各地的学校都为自认为是猫的孩子提供垃圾箱。
If you hadn't heard this one, sorry.
如果你没听过这个，抱歉。
This is all over social media.
这在社交媒体上随处可见。
The story is kids are telling their schools they're cats, and schools are accommodating them by providing litter boxes.
这个故事是，孩子们告诉学校他们是猫，而学校则通过提供垃圾箱来容纳它们。
At least 20 Republican politicians have repeated that this is happening, that this is, quote, "a growing crisis," that schools are just allowing kids to identify as whatever they want.
至少 20 名共和党政客重申，这种情况正在发生，这是“一场日益严重的危机”，学校只是允许孩子们随心所欲地认同自己。
This gender identity stuff has gone too far, and there are kids who are only communicating in, quote, "barks and hisses," and it's gotten so extreme that schoolchildren are now using litter boxes.
这种性别认同的东西已经走得太远了，有些孩子只是用“吠叫和嘶嘶声”来交流，而且它变得如此极端，以至于学童现在都在使用垃圾箱。
So that's the rumor.
所以这就是谣言。
NBC News looked into this.
NBC 新闻对此进行了调查。
They investigated each one of these claims and tried to find schools where this is actually happening.
他们调查了每一项指控，并试图找到实际发生这种情况的学校。
They reached out to every school rumored to have a litter box-- over 20 places-- and they found one, a whole school district in Colorado.
他们联系了每所据说有垃圾箱的学校——超过 20 个地方——最终找到了一个，科罗拉多州的整个学区。
They had kitty litter, but they were not keeping it because kids were identifying as animals.
他们有猫砂，但他们没有保留它们，因为孩子们认为自己是动物。
No kids were identifying as animals.
没有孩子认为自己是动物。
The district, Jefferson County School District, is home to Columbine High School.
该学区是杰斐逊县学区，是哥伦拜恩高中的所在地。
Schools in the Jefferson district have cat litter in case they have to go into lockdown during a school shooting.
杰斐逊区的学校有猫砂，以防学校枪击事件期间不得不关闭。
The litter is part of their overall plan if there is an active shooter situation.
如果存在枪击事件，垃圾是他们整体计划的一部分。
They have litter and buckets so kids have somewhere to pee, somewhere that's not in a bottle, in a closet.
他们有垃圾和水桶，这样孩子们就有地方撒尿，不是在瓶子里，而是在壁橱里。
They've kept cat litter on hand for years, along with candy for diabetic students, a map of the school, flashlights, wet wipes, and first aid items.
多年来，他们一直在手边备有猫砂、糖尿病学生的糖果、学校地图、手电筒、湿纸巾和急救用品。
The litter boxes are about school shootings.
垃圾箱是关于校园枪击事件的。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I just keep thinking about the hours we've spent talking about kitty litter and the money that went into making this non-issue a series of talking points on top of other non-issues that also became talking points about where kids pee in school, when in America, we don't have a problem of kids saying they're cats and being provided with litter boxes.
我只是一直在想我们花了几个小时讨论猫砂，以及为了让这个非问题成为一系列话题之外的金钱，这些非问题也成为孩子们在学校撒尿的话题，而在美国，我们不存在孩子们说自己是猫并被提供垃圾箱的问题。
What we have are adults who have accepted that school shootings will continue to happen, and they're preparing.
我们所拥有的是成年人，他们已经接受了校园枪击事件将继续发生的事实，并且他们正在做好准备。
What we have, which kids will tell you, is an actual problem, actual threats, actual fear, actual trauma, actual deaths.
孩子们会告诉你，我们所拥有的是一个实际的问题、实际的威胁、实际的恐惧、实际的创伤、实际的死亡。
Our program was produced today by Nadia Reiman and edited by Laura Starecheski.
今天我们的节目由 Nadia Reiman 制作，Laura Starecheski 编辑。
Valerie Kipnis produced the prologue of the episode.
瓦莱丽·基普尼斯 (Valerie Kipnis) 制作了该集的序幕。
The people who put together today's show include Chris Benderev, Sean Cole, Michal Comite, Aviva DeKornfeld, Cassie Howley, Tobin Lowe, Miki Meek, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Rae Mondo, Ryan Rummery, Alissa Shipp, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetala, Marisa Robertson-Textor, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的制作人包括 Chris Benderev、Sean Cole、Michal Comite、Aviva DeKornfeld、Cassie Howley、Tobin Lowe、Miki Meek、Stowe Nelson、Katherine Rae Mondo、Ryan Rummery、Alissa Shipp、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetala、Marisa Robertson-Textor、Matt Tierney、Nancy Updike 和 Diane Wu。
Our managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman, senior editor, David Kestenbaum, and our executive editor, Emaneule Berry.
我们的总编辑是 Sarah Abdurrahman，高级编辑是 David Kestenbaum，执行编辑是 Emaneule Berry。
Special thanks today to Rachel Lissy, Sidney Duncan, Dylan Nettles, Rose Saxe at the ACLU for helping us count laws, and all the parents who gave us permission to talk to their children.
今天特别感谢美国公民自由联盟的 Rachel Lissy、Sidney Duncan、Dylan Nettles、Rose Saxe 帮助我们统计法律，以及所有允许我们与孩子交谈的父母。
This story about lockdowns was inspired by the Slate podcast Mom and Dad are Fighting, where I first heard Dan Kois share his experience.
这个关于封锁的故事的灵感来自于 Slate 播客《爸爸妈妈在战斗》，我第一次听到丹·科伊斯（Dan Kois）分享他的经历。
Original music in Act 2 by Christina Courtin and Michael Lavelle.
第二幕的原创音乐由 Christina Courtin 和 Michael Lavelle 创作。
Editorial support for that story from Tuck Woodstock.
塔克伍德斯托克对该故事的编辑支持。
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 750 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地观看我们的 750 多集档案。
There's videos and lists of favorite shows and tons of other stuff there.
那里有视频和最喜欢的节目列表以及大量其他内容。
Again, ThisAmericanLife.org, This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
同样，ThisAmericanLife.org，《This American Life》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台传送。
Thanks, as always, to my boss, Ira Glass.
一如既往地感谢我的老板艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
He's out this week, but he called just to remind everyone that dressing up for Halloween is optional at our office.
他这周不在，但他打电话只是为了提醒大家，在我们的办公室，万圣节盛装是可选的。
I'm not going to force anybody.
我不会强迫任何人。
I'm not putting masks on anybody.
我不会给任何人戴口罩。
That's not my job.
那不是我的工作。
I'm Chana Joffe-Walt.
我是查娜·乔夫-沃尔特。
We'll be back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。