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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass OK.

序言：序言 Ira Glass 好的。

So Brown v.

所以布朗诉。

Board of Education, huge Supreme Court case, 1954, desegregates public schools in America, and Brown is Oliver L.

教育委员会，最高法院，1954 年，废除了美国公立学校的种族隔离，布朗就是奥利弗·L·布朗 (Oliver L.

Brown, a welder for the railroads and assistant pastor.

布朗，铁路焊工和助理牧师。

It was actually 13 parents who brought the lawsuit, but he's the only one whose name is on it, not because he's first alphabetically.

实际上是 13 位家长提起了诉讼，但他是唯一一个名字在上面的人，并不是因为他按字母顺序排在第一位。

People think maybe the lawyers picked him because he's the only dad on the list.

人们认为律师可能选择他是因为他是名单上唯一的父亲。

All the other parents are moms.

其他的父母都是妈妈。

1973, Roe v.

1973 年，罗伊诉。

Wade.

韦德。

Roe is Jane Roe, real name Norma McCorvey, working as a carnival barker, gets pregnant.

罗伊（Roe）是简·罗伊（Jane Roe），真名诺玛·麦考维（Norma McCorvey），担任嘉年华叫卖员，怀孕了。

She's already had two babies, girls, who other people were raising.

她已经有了两个孩子，都是女孩，由其他人抚养。

She didn't want to go through that a third time.

她不想经历第三次。

At a bar one night, someone tells her that there's this thing called an abortion.

一天晚上在酒吧，有人告诉她有一种叫做堕胎的东西。

Norma tries to get one, but can't-- it's illegal-- and finally signs up as the plaintiff for the lawsuit, she says, because it's the only way she can find to get the abortion she wants.

诺玛试图堕胎，但不能——这是非法的——她说，最后她报名成为诉讼的原告，因为这是她能找到获得她想要的堕胎的唯一途径。

This year, the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v.

今年，多布斯判决推翻了罗伊诉。

Wade, the plaintiff is an abortion clinic in Jackson, Mississippi, the Jackson Women's Health Organization.

原告韦德是密西西比州杰克逊市的一家堕胎诊所，杰克逊妇女健康组织。

And on the day the clinic lost and Roe was overturned, that's where we wanted to be, with the people whose case was making history on the day history was made.

在诊所败诉、罗伊案被推翻的那一天，这就是我们想要的地方，与那些案件在创造历史的那一天创造历史的人在一起。

For over a decade, the clinic has been the only abortion clinic in Mississippi.

十多年来，该诊所一直是密西西比州唯一的堕胎诊所。

Many of their clients drive from hours away.

他们的许多客户都开车数小时之外的地方。

Small building, mint green roof, unmissable, super bright pink exterior, like the building is saying, yeah, we're here, deal with it.

小建筑，薄荷绿色的屋顶，不容错过的超亮粉色外观，就像这座建筑在说的那样，是的，我们在这里，处理它。

Recently, they haven't allowed press inside to record, but we teamed up with a filmmaker, Maisie Crow, who filmed in the clinic starting in 2012 for a great and very nuanced movie that she made about abortion in Mississippi, and is back there now shooting another film.

最近，他们不允许媒体进去录音，但我们与电影制片人 Maisie Crow 合作，她从 2012 年开始在诊所拍摄一部关于密西西比州堕胎的精彩而细致的电影，现在又回到那里拍摄另一部电影。

She was the only journalist who was allowed to be there that day, and she brought us along to witness and record these moments that no one else has seen or reported on until now.

她是那天唯一被允许到场的记者，她带着我们一起见证和记录这些迄今为止没有人看到或报道过的时刻。

What we've made up all this, and what we have for you today, is a special episode of our show.

我们编造的这一切，以及今天为您带来的，是我们节目的特别一集。

It is This American Life, by the way, from WBEZ Chicago.

顺便说一句，这是来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass, and what we're going to do is we're going to start at the Mississippi clinic.

我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），我们要做的就是从密西西比诊所开始。

That's basically the crash site for this massive cultural, political boulder that just landed in all of our lives with this Supreme Court decision.

这基本上就是这个巨大的文化、政治巨石的崩溃地点，随着最高法院的裁决，它刚刚落在我们所有人的生活中。

And then, after that, we're going to head out from the clinic, move up into Illinois, and then further out to Missouri and Texas, places and people who were hit by the shockwave of that impact in various ways.

然后，在那之后，我们将从诊所出发，前往伊利诺伊州，然后进一步前往密苏里州和德克萨斯州，这些地方和人们以各种方式受到这种影响的冲击波的打击。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

I'm Maisie Crow.

我是麦茜·克劳。

This is Act One, The Pink House at the Center of the World.

这是第一幕，世界中心的粉红房子。

The people who work in the Pink House at the corner of Fondren and State Street have known for a while history was coming for them.

在丰德伦 (Fondren) 和道街 (State Street) 拐角处的粉红屋 (Pink House) 工作的人们早已知道历史即将降临到他们身上。

They just didn't know the exact date or what they'd do in the clinic on the day it happened.

他们只是不知道确切的日期，也不知道事情发生当天他们会在诊所做什么。

Would they immediately have to cancel patients?

他们会立即取消病人吗？

What would they say to people?

他们会对人们说什么？

Where would they go?

他们会去哪里？

We begin this story a couple of days before the Supreme Court decision on a Wednesday night.

我们在最高法院做出裁决前几天的周三晚上开始这个故事。

Because their days are so busy and full, this was the first time they sat down to really discuss what to do as a group if Roe were overturned.

因为他们的日子是如此忙碌和充实，这是他们第一次坐下来真正讨论如果罗伊案被推翻了该怎么办。

The director of the clinic, Shannon Brewer, gathered her staff in the waiting room at the end of the workday after patients had gone home.

工作日结束后，病人回家后，诊所主任香农·布鲁尔 (Shannon Brewer) 将她的工作人员聚集到候诊室。

This kind of meeting with everybody together, they're not all that common at the clinic.

这种大家一起开会的情况，在诊所里并不常见。

Everybody's just too busy.

大家都太忙了。

So it felt serious.

所以感觉很严重。

Y'all going to need to know what's gonna be probably going on within the next week.

你们都需要知道下周内可能会发生什么。

The decision come now either Thursday, Friday, or Monday.

现在决定将在周四、周五或周一做出。

I think they're not going to do it till Monday, but I could be wrong.

我认为他们要到周一才会这样做，但我可能是错的。

I don't know.

我不知道。

Shannon has worked at the Jackson clinic for more than two decades.

香农在杰克逊诊所工作了二十多年。

She started out at the bottom, a scrub tech sterilizing instruments.

她从底层开始，使用擦洗技术消毒仪器。

She needed a job.

她需要一份工作。

She had six kids, all little, and she came to the field kind of randomly.

她有六个孩子，都很小，她来到这个领域有点随机。

Her aunt worked at the clinic and brought her in.

她的姨妈在诊所工作，把她带进来。

Shannon was 29 back then.

当时香农29岁。

Now she's 50 and the leader.

现在她50岁了，是领导者。

We already know this, that it's going to be crazy.

我们已经知道这会很疯狂。

We're gonna-- I got to talk to-- we're having a meeting with the attorneys tomorrow, as far as what is to be done once the decision comes down, because it's been conflicting things that's been said as far as what the next step is.

我们明天要——我得谈谈——我们将与律师开会，讨论决定下来后要做什么，因为就下一步而言，各方所说的事情是相互矛盾的。

There's just a small staff at the clinic, very family-like, very interconnected.

诊所里只有一小部分工作人员，就像一家人一样，相互联系非常紧密。

Shannon's sister works here.

香农的姐姐在这里工作。

Shannon's become kind of known nationally for keeping this place open.

香农因保持这个地方的开放而闻名全国。

Like, last year, she went to the White House to meet with Vice President Kamala Harris.

就像去年，她去白宫会见副总统卡马拉·哈里斯。

Pretty much ever since she started, and even before she started, people have been trying to shut the Pink House down.

几乎从她开始，甚至在她开始之前，人们就一直试图关闭粉红屋。

They've tried everything.

他们已经尝试了一切。

The state has buried them in regulations, wrestled them in David-and-Goliath-sized court cases.

国家将它们埋藏在法规中，并在大卫和歌利亚大小的法庭案件中与它们搏斗。

No matter what was thrown at the Pink House-- and that's what everybody calls it-- it was unshuttable.

无论向粉红屋扔什么东西——大家都是这么称呼它的——它都是无法关闭的。

It would not stop, just like Shannon Brewer.

它不会停止，就像香农·布鲁尔一样。

OK, one group there, one group there, six surgicals.

好的，那里一组，那里一组，六个手术。

Six surgicals.

六次手术。

Mm.

毫米。

She's rarely fazed by anything, talks to herself while she works.

她很少被任何事情困扰，在工作时自言自语。

I've seen her be really kind to patients while she's also explaining the harsh reality that they're too far along to get an abortion in Mississippi and that they'll have to go to another state.

我看到她对病人非常友善，同时她也解释了残酷的现实，即他们在密西西比州堕胎太困难了，他们必须去另一个州。

Her office is set up for warm, fuzzy vibes, inspirational sayings up everywhere, things like "Sometimes life's about risking it all for a dream nobody can see but you." There's also a big video monitor with feeds from the security cameras all over the building.

她的办公室充满了温暖、模糊的氛围，到处都是鼓舞人心的名言，比如“有时，生活就是为了一个除了你之外没人能看到的梦想冒着一切风险。”还有一个大型视频监视器，显示整个建筑物的安全摄像头的信息。

I've never been in her office when her eyes aren't darting to the screen every few seconds.

我从来没有在她的办公室里看到她的眼睛每隔几秒钟就扫过屏幕一次。

Oh, don't play with me.

哦，别跟我玩。

That's just the truth.

这就是事实。

I'm a fucking professional.

我他妈是个专业人士。

What are you talking about?

你在说什么？

That is what it says.

这就是它所说的。

What I love about that is that it faces inward.

我喜欢它的原因是它面向内。

That's my producer, Miki.

那是我的制作人，Miki。

Shannon Brewer I know.

香农·布鲁尔我知道。

I don't want everybody to see it because I don't want to be just-- oh my god, it's a little too ghetto.

我不想让每个人都看到它，因为我不想只是——天哪，这有点太贫民窟了。

But yeah, I like it so much.

但是，是的，我非常喜欢它。

I'm a fucking professional.

我他妈是个专业人士。

How awesome would it be as, like, your press conference that you give, whenever the Supreme Court decision is, you just have this right here?

就像你举行的新闻发布会一样，每当最高法院做出裁决时，你就在这里举行这个会议，那该多棒啊？

I may just do that.

我可能就这么做了。

I mean, what can it hurt at that point?

我的意思是，到那时会有什么伤害呢？

That's a good idea.

这是个好主意。

I think I may-- yeah.

我想我可能——是的。

When they say, well, what would you like to say, I would say some things, but I'm a fucking professional, as you can see.

当他们说，好吧，你想说什么时，我会说一些话，但正如你所看到的，我是一个他妈的专业人士。

So I won't.

所以我不会。

But yeah, I think I may turn it around then.

但是，是的，我想我可能会扭转局面。

It'll be the time to turn it around.

是时候扭转局面了。

These days, even with the entire world looking at her, Shannon was coping OK.

这些天来，即使全世界都在看着她，香农也应付得很好。

She had this moment during the oral arguments of the Supreme Court case.

她在最高法院案件的口头辩论中经历了这一刻。

She got to DC, and all she saw were anti-abortion activists and protesters and politicians everywhere cheering on the other side.

她到达华盛顿后，看到的只是各地的反堕胎活动人士、抗议者和政客在另一边欢呼。

Very few people showed up for her.

很少有人为她出现。

She felt very alone.

她感到非常孤独。

She says she's not surprised at all by where we're at right now.

她说她对我们现在的处境一点也不感到惊讶。

So while many people are freaking out about Roe being overturned, Shannon says she's hardened to it.

因此，虽然很多人对罗伊案被推翻感到害怕，但香农说她对此已经很坚强了。

Oh, I sleep fine.

哦，我睡得很好。

I don't-- it doesn't affect my sleep.

我不——这不会影响我的睡眠。

I remember years ago, when we were doing court things and had to be in and out of courts, I remember I used to have a hard time sleeping sometimes.

我记得几年前，当我们在法庭上做事，必须进出法庭时，我记得有时我很难入睡。

I don't have these hard times sleeping anymore, even though this is about as real as it gets.

我不再经历这些难以入睡的时光，尽管这几乎是真实的。

I had to come to the realization that, however this goes, I did my part.

我必须认识到，无论事情如何发展，我都尽了自己的职责。

And if I know I did my part, my conscience is fine.

如果我知道我尽了自己的职责，我的良心就没有问题。

My-- you know, everything.

我的——你知道，一切。

I can sleep well because I fought all the way into the end, regardless of who was fighting beside me.

我能睡得很好，因为我一直战斗到了最后，不管我旁边的是谁在战斗。

I did my part.

我尽了自己的职责。

I'm like, I did exactly what I said I would do.

我想，我完全按照我说的去做了。

I stayed here.

我留在这里。

I told the women I would fight for them.

我告诉妇女们我会为她们而战。

I fought for them.

我为他们而战。

So I sleep well, actually.

所以实际上我睡得很好。

Yeah.

是的。

So just logistics-wise, all the patients that have appointments, we'll just call them all and cancel them, because there's-- I looked--

因此，就后勤而言，所有有预约的患者，我们都会打电话给他们并取消它们，因为有 - 我看了 -

In that staff meeting they had two days before the Roe decision, people were nervous, asking questions about what would happen once it came down.

在罗伊案决定前两天举行的员工会议上，人们都很紧张，询问一旦案子落定会发生什么。

So all those ones that have appointments, maybe those could be transferred somewhere else.

因此，所有有约会的人，也许可以转移到其他地方。

Yeah, I mean, we're going to have to figure out-- I don't even know where they will be transferred at this point with the fact that many of them are coming here because other places are--

是的，我的意思是，我们必须弄清楚——我什至不知道他们现在会被转移到哪里，因为他们中的许多人都会来这里，因为其他地方——

Closed down.

关门了。

Woman 2 Are we allowed to transfer them?

女2 我们可以转移它们吗？

Refer?

参考？

To refer?

参考一下？

Woman 2 Yeah.

女人2 是啊。

To refer them.

来参考他们。

Yeah.

是的。

Maisie Crow Shannon didn't know because no one knew.

麦茜·克劳·香农不知道，因为没有人知道。

What she did know, what they all knew, was that the decision coming down would mean the end of their jobs at the Pink House and the end of the Pink House itself.

她所知道的，他们都知道的是，这一决定的出台将意味着他们在粉红屋的工作结束，也意味着粉红屋本身的结束。

Most importantly, it meant that all the patients who needed them would be stranded.

最重要的是，这意味着所有需要它们的患者都将陷入困境。

The next closest clinic is three states away in Illinois.

下一个最近的诊所位于三个州之外的伊利诺伊州。

After most of the questions petered out, the youngest member of the staff, Molly, asked a question.

等大部分问题平息后，最年轻的工作人员莫莉提出了一个问题。

She hadn't talked yet, but she'd been sitting in a chair across from Shannon, nodding along as she spoke, hyper concentrating on Shannon's face as she tried to absorb it all.

她还没有说话，但她坐在香农对面的椅子上，一边说话一边点头，高度集中在香农的脸上，试图吸收这一切。

I've got a question.

我有一个问题。

Shannon Brewer Uh-huh?

香农·布鲁尔 嗯？

How do you feel?

你感觉如何？

Shannon Brewer About what?

香农·布鲁尔 关于什么？

Everything.

一切。

Shannon Brewer This is overwhelming, really.

香农·布鲁尔（Shannon Brewer） 这确实令人难以承受。

It's really just overwhelming.

这真的是压倒性的。

I've been so focused on the next step, the next step because that's how my mind works.

我一直非常专注于下一步，下一步，因为这就是我的思维方式。

It's like it's just not focusing on what is wrong but rather what is the next step, because that's the only way I can keep going to where I didn't really think about the emotional part of it.

就好像它不关注哪里出了问题，而是关注下一步是什么，因为这是我能够继续前进的唯一方法，而我并没有真正考虑其中的情感部分。

Right.

正确的。

Shannon Brewer Until when the doctor started saying-- Dr. Hamlin first, on her last day, she was like-- she came to me, and it was kind of sad.

香农·布鲁尔 直到医生开始说——首先是哈姆林医生，在她的最后一天，她就像——她来找我，这有点悲伤。

She was like, well, I don't know if I'm going to see y'all again here.

她说，好吧，我不知道是否还能在这里见到你们。

Oh, wow.

哦，哇。

Shannon Brewer I was like, what do you mean?

香农·布鲁尔 我当时想，你是什么意思？

It's because it just did not register with me.

这是因为它没有向我注册。

That's when it really started registering with me, because, before then, it honestly wasn't.

那是它真正开始在我身上注册的时候，因为在那之前，它确实不是。

Like I was telling her today, it probably won't really hit me until the last day that I walk out of here.

就像我今天告诉她的那样，直到我离开这里的最后一天，这可能不会真正打击我。

I've been here 21 years.

我在这里已经21年了。

That's a long time.

那是很长一段时间了。

Shannon Brewer It's like, wow.

香农·布鲁尔 就像，哇。

It's your baby.

这是你的宝贝。

Shannon Brewer So yeah, it's pretty sad, actually.

香农·布鲁尔（Shannon Brewer）所以，是的，实际上这很悲伤。

Yeah, it's really sad.

是的，真的很难过。

Maisie Crow The staff, who, in good times is, chatty, laughy, was oddly quiet in the room, everyone just looking at Shannon.

Maisie Crow 工作人员在好的时候很健谈、很爱笑，但房间里却出奇地安静，每个人都看着香农。

All these other clinics around the country under the same threat were already shutting their doors.

全国各地面临同样威胁的所有其他诊所都​​已经关门了。

Even though the decision hadn't come down yet, they had decided it was over.

尽管还没有做出决定，但他们已经决定一切都结束了。

South Dakota, Oklahoma, those clinics were planning the end.

南达科他州、俄克拉荷马州，那些诊所正在计划结束。

But Shannon was expanding.

但香农正在扩张。

Shannon had decided that if the state was going to close the Pink House in Jackson, Mississippi, she was going to help open a new Pink House west in New Mexico.

香农决定，如果该州要关闭密西西比州杰克逊的粉红屋，她将帮助在新墨西哥州西部开设一座新的粉红屋。

It was within driving distance of Mississippi, a long drive, 15 hours, but still, she hoped she could open the doors in that clinic the day the doors in this one closed.

那里距密西西比州不远，车程很长，需要 15 个小时，但她仍然希望在这家诊所关门的那天能打开那家诊所的门。

At this meeting, she told her staff, I'm going out to get the new clinic ready.

在这次会议上，她告诉她的员工，我要出去准备新诊所。

You stay here and keep going.

你留在这里并继续前进。

I'm gonna be leaving.

我要走了。

I'm gonna be gone in the morning.

早上我就要走了。

So I'm not going to be here tomorrow.

所以明天我不会来这里。

So I was going to tell y'all just before I go.

所以我打算在走之前告诉大家。

Keep going until the last possible moment of the last possible day.

继续下去，直到最后一天的最后一刻。

That's what they'd been doing for almost 30 years.

这就是他们近 30 年来一直在做的事情。

That's what they'd keep doing.

这就是他们会继续做的事情。

That's all.

就这样。

Y'all got any other questions?

你们还有其他问题吗？

So tomorrow as usual unless we hear something?

那么明天照常，除非我们听到什么消息？

Yeah, yeah, yeah, everything is as usual.

是啊是啊，一切都如常。

Unless I'm calling saying, do this, don't do this anymore, blah, blah, blah, you just do what you normally do.

除非我打电话说，做这个，别再做这个，等等，等等，你就做你平常做的事。

OK.

好的。

Shannon Brewer Yeah.

香农·布鲁尔 是的。

I just wanted to tell y'all that so that everybody have a better understanding.

我只是想告诉大家，以便大家更好地理解。

Yep, yep.

是的，是的。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Shannon Brewer You're welcome, baby.

香农·布鲁尔 不客气，宝贝。

You're welcome.

不客气。

You're welcome.

不客气。

You're welcome.

不客气。

All right, let's see.

好吧，让我们看看。

Oh, my goodness.

哦，我的天啊。

The staff left.

工作人员离开了。

Shannon walked back to her office and just sat there.

香农走回办公室，坐在那里。

Oh, lordy, lordy, lordy.

哦，主啊，主啊，主啊。

Maisie Crow I've known Shannon for years, spent hundreds of hours with her.

Maisie Crow 我认识香农很多年了，和她一起度过了数百个小时。

She rarely cracks.

她很少出现裂缝。

She doesn't often show emotion.

她不经常表现出情绪。

How did that feel?

感觉如何？

Shannon Brewer The talking was fine.

香农·布鲁尔 谈话很好。

I was watching their faces.

我看着他们的脸。

Watching their faces was not as easy.

观察他们的表情并不那么容易。

It's like you could see it.

就好像你能看到一样。

I watched as wave after wave of realization hit Shannon in real time.

我看到一波又一波的认识实时地袭击了香农。

[SIGHS] Mm, girl.

[叹气] 嗯，女孩。

This world we live in.

我们生活的这个世界。

It's just amazing what they let people do to certain people, to poor people, to Black people, to people that already been suffering and going through so much all they life.

他们让人们对某些人、穷人、黑人、那些一生都在受苦和经历这么多的人做的事情真是令人惊讶。

And it's like it's just never ending sometimes.

有时就像永无止境。

You know what I'm saying?

你知道我在说什么吗？

Every-- people who do it.

每一个这样做的人。

That's the thing.

就是这样。

These are the same people who elect-- the ones who elect these people to do this.

这些人是选举的人——选举这些人来做这件事的人。

These are our neighbors and [SIGHS] our preachers and our people that are just around us all the time.

这些是我们的邻居，[叹息]我们的传教士和我们的人民，他们一直就在我们身边。

These are the ones who are electing these people, putting these people in these positions to take stuff from us.

是这些人选举了这些人，让这些人担任这些职务，从我们这里拿走东西。

Ah.

啊。

As if we haven't had enough stuff taken from us all these years.

好像这些年来我们被夺走的东西还不够多。

That's crazy.

太疯狂了。

[SIGHS] I don't want to talk about this no more.

[叹气]我不想再谈论这个了。

I got to go outside.

我得出去一趟。

Two days later, outside the clinic, Friday, what ended up being the day the Supreme Court handed down the decision.

两天后，周五，在诊所外，最高法院宣布了这一决定。

It started off like a normal day.

这就像平常的一天一样开始。

Protesters lined the street, screaming at staff, screaming at patients.

抗议者站在街道两旁，对工作人员和病人尖叫。

The protesters today are the same as usual, mostly all men, mostly all white.

今天的抗议者和往常一样，大部分都是男性，大部分都是白人。

A man gets up on a ladder with a bullhorn, leans down over the pink stucco wall of the clinic, shouting Bible verses about damnation.

一名男子拿着扩音器爬上梯子，俯身在诊所的粉红色灰泥墙上，高喊着有关诅咒的圣经经文。

The people who manage this scene are called the Pink House defenders.

管理这个场景的人被称为粉红屋捍卫者。

Their job is to guide patients safely inside the clinic and shield them from the protesters.

他们的工作是引导患者安全进入诊所并保护他们免受抗议者的伤害。

The protesters scream murderer at patients, and the defenders blast music on speakers to drown them out.

抗议者对着病人大喊“杀人犯”，而捍卫者则用扬声器播放音乐来淹没他们的声音。

They don't want the patients to have to hear all the yelling.

他们不希望病人听到所有的叫喊声。

Their playlist, inexplicably '90s alt rock, Smashing Pumpkins, Toad the Wet Sprocket.

他们的播放列表是莫名其妙的 90 年代另类摇滚、Smashing Pumpkins、Toad the Wet Sprocket。

Today, it's Tom Petty.

今天，是汤姆·佩蒂。

[MUSIC - TOM PETTY, "I WON'T BACK DOWN"]

[音乐 - 汤姆·佩蒂，“我不会退缩”]

Jesus Christ died for sinners once for all, the righteous and unrighteous, to bring us to God!

耶稣基督为罪人，无论是义人还是不义人，一次永远地死，把我们带到神面前！

The defenders are led by Derenda Hancock.

防守队员由德伦达·汉考克率领。

She's 63, a wiry blonde, who managed restaurants for decades and now waits tables at a chain steakhouse.

她今年 63 岁，身材瘦削，金发碧眼，经营餐馆数十年，现在在一家连锁牛排馆当服务员。

She'll as quickly yell go fuck yourself to a protester as she'll whisper, right this way, baby girl, to a patient.

她会很快地对抗议者大喊“操你妈的”，就像她对病人小声说“走这边，宝贝女儿”一样。

For 10 years, she's posted herself outside in front of the Pink House, not for money.

十年来，她一直守在粉红屋前，并不是为了钱。

All the defenders do it for free.

所有的防守者都是免费的。

Derenda's been here since 4:45 AM.

德伦达从凌晨 4 点 45 分就来了。

Her usual is 6:45, but the protesters have been starting early this week, and she does not like them to get here before her, ever.

她通常是 6 点 45 分，但抗议者本周提早出发，她不希望他们比她先到达。

But we'll get you in as soon as you're ready, honey, OK?

但一旦你准备好，我们就会让你进去，亲爱的，好吗？

Just after 9:00, the news from the Supreme Court comes down.

9:00刚过，最高法院的消息就传来了。

Derenda speed walks into the clinic.

德伦达速度走进诊所。

I need to go check on the staff.

我需要去看看工作人员。

I'm going to check on the staff.

我要去看看工作人员。

--shall turn from their wicked ways and pray, seek my fate.

——将转离他们的邪恶道路并祈祷，寻求我的命运。

Then I will hear from heaven [INAUDIBLE].

然后我会听到来自天堂的声音[听不清]。

This nation [INAUDIBLE].

这个国家[听不清]。

Oh, it's over?

哦，结束了吗？

Derenda Hancock It's over.

德伦达·汉考克 结束了。

They go past the reception desk, down the hallway, a small cluster of staff keeping their voices low so they don't alarm the patients.

他们经过接待处，穿过走廊，一小群工作人员压低声音，以免惊动病人。

I messaged Shannon.

我给香农发了消息。

I'm waiting to hear back what we're supposed to do.

我正在等待我们应该做什么的回音。

I mean, we're not-- this is fine, but, yeah, it went down.

我的意思是，我们不是——这很好，但是，是的，它下降了。

I can't break.

我无法打破。

Woman 2 Don't break.

女人2 别分手。

Stay strong, baby.

保持坚强，宝贝。

Stay strong.

坚强点。

We're going to be all right.

我们会没事的。

Molly It's OK.

莫莉 没关系。

Thank you.

谢谢。

I can't be out there like that.

我不能就这样在外面。

There's so much press.

有这么多的压力。

Don't let them see you like that, someone tells Derenda.

别让他们看到你这个样子，有人告诉德伦达。

You know I won't.

你知道我不会。

Maisie Crow This is the entire conversation.

Maisie Crow 这就是整个谈话。

They give themselves precisely 49 seconds for all of it.

他们给自己的时间恰好是 49 秒。

Then Derenda heads for the door.

然后德伦达走向门口。

She has to get her team together to deal with the crowd of protesters and press.

她必须让她的团队团结起来应对抗议人群和媒体。

Strong Derenda.

坚强的德伦达。

Maisie Crow Strong Derenda, someone yells behind her.

Maisie Crow Strong Derenda，有人在她身后大喊。

As the door closes, she turns around and shouts back.

当门关上时，她转过身来大声喊道。

Protester You gotta lay down your shame!

抗议者你必须放下你的耻辱！

I need everybody.

我需要大家。

I need everybody.

我需要大家。

I need all my people!

我需要我所有的人！

Protesters are trying to block the driveway to the clinic.

抗议者试图封锁通往诊所的车道。

Holiness.

圣洁。

Holiness.

圣洁。

Righteousness!

义！

Oh, the Lord, our righteousness!

噢，主啊，我们的公义！

For a few seconds, as Derenda slips out the door, the noise from outside pours in.

有那么几秒钟，当德伦达溜出门时，外面的噪音涌了进来。

And then the doors close, shoving the world back outside for the staff to figure out what to do now.

然后门就关上了，把外面的世界推回到外面，让工作人员思考现在该做什么。

Oh, wow.

哦，哇。

Oh my god.

我的天啊。

Maisie Crow The staff members collect themselves immediately and get back to answering the calls.

Maisie Crow 工作人员立即集中注意力并回去接听电话。

The phones are backing up, ringing constantly, the lights blinking non-stop on all the office lines.

电话正在备份，不断地响着，所有办公室线路上的灯不停地闪烁。

Jackson Women's Health.

杰克逊妇女健康。

May I help you?

我可以帮你吗？

No. No, ma'am.

不，不，女士。

We're not doing any more abortions.

我们不会再做堕胎了。

The decision came out, and it's in effect in 26 states.

该决定已公布，并在 26 个州生效。

Women calling, wanting abortions, wanting to know, can you still help me, can you get me in, looking for any clinic still open in the Southern half of the country.

妇女们打电话来，想要堕胎，想知道，你还能帮助我吗？你能带我进去吗？寻找在该国南半部仍然开放的诊所。

Jackson Women's Health.

杰克逊妇女健康。

Ma'am, we cannot reschedule your appointment.

女士，我们无法重新安排您的预约。

Any staff member who can is grabbing calls.

任何有能力的工作人员都会接听电话。

Jackson Women's Health, hold please.

杰克逊妇女健康中心，请稍等。

Jackson Women's Health, hold please.

杰克逊妇女健康中心，请稍等。

Jackson Women's Health.

杰克逊妇女健康。

May I help you?

我可以帮你吗？

OK, we're not accepting new appointments.

好的，我们不接受新的任命。

We are closing.

我们要关门了。

I don't know if you saw the news.

不知道你有没有看到这个新闻。

We are-- they have overturned us.

我们——他们推翻了我们。

And that's crazy, ain't it?

这太疯狂了，不是吗？

How they gonna tell somebody what to do with their body?

他们如何告诉别人如何处理他们的身体？

Yes, ma'am.

是的，女士。

It hurts my soul.

这伤害了我的灵魂。

Yes, ma'am.

是的，女士。

Call back in [INAUDIBLE].

以 [听不清] 回电。

All day, people are asking, so if I can't get an abortion in Mississippi, what should I do?

一整天，人们都在问，如果我在密西西比州无法堕胎，我该怎么办？

With Shannon in New Mexico opening Pink House West, her sister Nita takes charge.

香农 (Shannon) 在新墨西哥州开设了 Pink House West，由她的姐姐妮塔 (Nita) 负责。

Like everyone else, Nita's answering the phones.

和其他人一样，妮塔也在接电话。

No, that's going to be a hard decision.

不，这将是一个艰难的决定。

It's kind of hard right now to think that it will reopen back up, but I don't think it will reopen back up, sweetheart.

现在很难想象它会重新开放，但我不认为它会重新开放，亲爱的。

I'm so sorry.

我很抱歉。

It's sad.

很伤心。

It's really sad.

真的很难过。

It's tearing my heart up.

这让我心碎。

Trust me, because people don't know what other people go through, you know what I'm saying?

相信我，因为人们不知道其他人经历了什么，你知道我在说什么吗？

And it really hurts.

而且真的很痛。

I know, sweetheart.

我知道，亲爱的。

People ask, if there's no more abortion, what am I supposed to do?

人们问，如果不再堕胎，我该怎么办？

One caller asked, can I get my tubes tied?

一位来电者问，我可以把管子结扎吗？

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

You want your tubes tied.

你想要把你的管子绑起来。

I don't know, sweetheart.

我不知道，亲爱的。

You have to call the hospital and see do they tie tubes at certain-- you said you have three kids.

你必须打电话给医院，看看他们是否会扎管——你说你有三个孩子。

Now, back in the days, they did that.

现在，回到过去，他们就这么做了。

When you had three kids, they would tie your tubes, but that was in Chicago.

当你有了三个孩子时，他们会绑住你的管子，但那是在芝加哥。

We don't do that here at the abortion clinic.

我们这里的堕胎诊所不这样做。

We don't do that here, but you have to call the hospital for that, sweetheart.

我们这里不这样做，但你必须打电话给医院，亲爱的。

OK.

好的。

No, ma'am.

不，女士。

We don't have no more Plan Bs.

我们没有更多的备用计划了。

You're welcome.

不客气。

Jackson Women's Health.

杰克逊妇女健康。

OK.

好的。

[SIGHS] [INAUDIBLE]

[叹气] [听不清]

Get yourself together, Nita.

振作起来，妮塔。

Get yourself together.

让自己振作起来。

I'm gonna be OK.

我会没事的。

I'm gonna be OK.

我会没事的。

Yeah.

是的。

This is the sound of Roe ending.

这是Roe结局的声音。

All day long, the phones never let up.

一整天，电话从未间断过。

Jackson Women's Health.

杰克逊妇女健康。

No, ma'am, we're not taking any more new appointments right now.

不，女士，我们现在不再接受任何新的约会。

No, ma'am, I do not.

不，女士，我不。

The decision's court just came in.

法院刚刚作出判决。

So we don't know, ma'am.

所以我们不知道，女士。

Before long, they come up with a new plan.

不久，他们想出了一个新计划。

I'll tell you more later in the hour.

我稍后会告诉你更多信息。

We're not doing any more, ma'am.

我们不会再做任何事了，女士。

Tennessee is closed too, ma'am.

田纳西州也关闭了，女士。

It's just one of them.

这只是其中之一。

You welcome.

没关系。

Jackson Women's Health, may I help you?

杰克逊妇女健康中心，有什么可以帮您的吗？

This is Zoe Chace with Act 2.

我是第二幕的佐伊·查斯。

Welcome to Illinois, Abortion Oasis.

欢迎来到伊利诺伊州，堕胎绿洲。

So what we're about to do, we're going to take this call, and this is probably a person that's requesting for some assistance.

所以我们要做的就是接听这个电话，这可能是一个请求帮助的人。

By this area code, they're probably calling me from Tennessee, OK?

根据这个区号，他们可能是从田纳西州给我打电话，好吗？

Regional Logistics Center.

区域物流中心。

This is Carolyn.

这是卡罗琳。

How can I help you?

我怎么帮你？

500 miles away from Jackson, in Fairview Heights, Illinois, there's this big building, a sparkling new abortion complex, a mega clinic made for the post Roe world.

距离杰克逊 500 英里的伊利诺伊州费尔维尤高地，有一座宏伟的建筑，一座闪闪发光的新堕胎中心，一座为后罗伊时代而建的大型诊所。

Planned Parenthood decided they needed to build a place where everyone coming from all the other places could go, the Mississippis, the Texases, Oklahoma, Missouri.

计划生育联合会决定他们需要建立一个地方，让来自其他地方的每个人都可以去，密西西比州、德克萨斯州、俄克拉荷马州、密苏里州。

St. Louis is just across the river.

圣路易斯就在河对岸。

I was there a couple of weeks ago.

几周前我去过那里。

It's 18,000 square feet, a maze of bright hallways and procedure rooms and counseling rooms and the innocuously-named, but very important, Regional Logistics Center.

它占地 18,000 平方英尺，是一座迷宫，里面有明亮的走廊、手术室、咨询室，还有名字无伤大雅但非常重要的区域物流中心。

That's where Carolyn Sheryll works.

那是卡罗琳·雪莉尔工作的地方。

OK.

好的。

So are you needing travel assistance and procedure funding?

那么您需要旅行援助和手术资金吗？

How many total people in your household?

您家总共有多少人？

Carolyn's job is to get people to this huge clinic for an abortion and connect them to what they need in order to do that, mostly money.

卡罗琳的工作是让人们到这个巨大的诊所进行堕胎，并为他们提供所需的资源，主要是金钱。

She's from St. Louis.

她来自圣路易斯。

She has neon yellow nails that click loudly.

她的指甲呈霓虹黄色，咔哒声很大。

She types fast.

她打字很快。

She's got this little sign up right in her line of vision that says, "Stand with Black women," and that's why she does this job, she says, to help young women like herself.

她的视野中立着一个小牌子，上面写着“与黑人女性站在一起”，她说，这就是她做这份工作的原因，为了帮助像她这样的年轻女性。

She's warm when you meet her, but on the phone, she has this impersonal customer service voice.

当你见到她时，她很热情，但在电话中，她的客户服务声音却毫无人情味。

There's a lot of forms and information she needs to get through.

她需要填写大量表格和信息。

All right, and your total household monthly income?

好吧，您的家庭月总收入是多少？

And what procedure are you choosing, the medical pill or the surgical?

您选择哪种手术，是药物治疗还是手术治疗？

The woman on the phone, who is from Tennessee, tells Carolyn she wants a surgical abortion.

电话里的女士来自田纳西州，她告诉卡罗琳她想要手术堕胎。

The total cost of that service is $540.

该服务的总费用为 540 美元。

How much did you have towards that balance?

为了这个平衡你花了多少钱？

She says she only has $100.

她说她只有100美元。

Carolyn's computer program can instantly tap into abortion funds from all over the country.

卡罗琳的计算机程序可以立即动用全国各地的堕胎资金。

It'll take $100 from the National Abortion Federation, $75 from the Chicago abortion fund, and automatically apply that to the patient's balance.

它将从全国堕胎联合会收取 100 美元，从芝加哥堕胎基金收取 75 美元，并自动将其计入患者的余额中。

On this call, she also tabs over and squares pop-up with the names of all the states.

在这次通话中，她还对弹出窗口中所有州的名称进行了制表符和方框。

She clicks Tennessee to find the local abortion fund.

她单击田纳西州以查找当地堕胎基金。

I am going to reach out to some funders in your state.

我将联系您所在州的一些资助者。

Let's see exactly who that will be.

让我们看看到底是谁。

You're coming from Tennessee, correct?

你来自田纳西州，对吗？

All right, and what county are you located in?

好吧，你在哪个县？

Last year, Carolyn was working at Planned Parenthood as just an appointment booker.

去年，卡罗琳在计划生育协会担任预约员。

There was no Regional Logistics Center yet, no place which found financial support for travel and stuff.

当时还没有区域物流中心，也没有为旅行和其他物品提供财政支持的地方。

Carolyn's only job was scheduling the appointments, the date and time that people should show up, which was stressful.

卡罗琳唯一的工作就是安排约会、人们应该出现的日期和时间，这很有压力。

I used to hang up every day like, what are we going to do?

我以前每天都会挂断电话，问我们要做什么？

How are they going to make it?

他们要怎样做呢？

What's she going to do?

她要做什么？

Like, you have those thoughts like, I wonder how she's going to make it to her appointment.

就像，你有这样的想法，比如，我想知道她将如何赴约。

I wonder where she's going to find the rest of that money that we said that she needs.

我想知道她将在哪里找到我们所说的她需要的剩余资金。

So yeah, people need support.

所以是的，人们需要支持。

These young women need somebody to stand up for them, give them encouragement that they are making the right decision.

这些年轻女性需要有人支持她们，鼓励她们做出正确的决定。

I mean, you don't understand the need that comes across this phone.

我的意思是，你不明白这款手机的需求。

Like this patient who just drove down from Michigan, who was there in the waiting room just down the hall.

就像这位刚从密歇根开车过来的病人一样，他就在走廊尽头的候诊室里。

Carolyn got an urgent message about her from the staff at the front desk.

卡罗琳从前台工作人员那里收到了一条关于她的紧急消息。

The woman is 25 weeks pregnant, right on the line of what is allowed, and had just driven over 500 miles.

该妇女已怀孕 25 周，正好在允许的范围内，并且刚刚驾驶了 500 多英里。

She'd showed up with $1,500, not nearly enough for that procedure, which is about $5,000, because it's a complicated procedure at that point.

她带着 1,500 美元到场，这对于大约 5,000 美元的手术来说还不够，因为当时这是一个复杂的手术。

It can take two to three days.

可能需要两到三天的时间。

So if the woman doesn't get the rest of the money like right then, her window snaps shut.

因此，如果这位女士没有像当时那样拿到剩下的钱，她的窗户就会关上。

All right, so we did get you pretty much funded.

好吧，我们确实为您提供了相当多的资金。

Pay the 15 that you did state that you do have, and I'll worry about this $400 balance and get this covered for you, OK?

支付你所说的 15 美元，我会担心这 400 美元的余额并为你支付，好吗？

Carolyn hangs up.

卡罗琳挂断电话。

We could have paid for her hotel, she's saying, shaking her head, then she'd have that extra $400.

我们本来可以支付她的酒店费用，她摇着头说道，这样她就可以多付 400 美元。

But we'll get it.

但我们会得到它。

So watch.

所以请注意。

Watch me work.

看我工作。

I was told this new abortion complex might have to go from eight hours of patient care a day to 10 hours, and then probably 12.

我被告知这个新的堕胎中心可能必须将每天的病人护理时间从 8 小时减少到 10 小时，然后可能是 12 小时。

Already, one doctor on site sees around nine patients an hour.

目前，一名现场医生每小时会诊治约 9 名患者。

That's how fast an abortion can be, as little as three minutes, and it's over.

堕胎就是这么快，只要三分钟，就结束了。

They're projecting 14,000 new patients in the next year coming to Southern Illinois from nearby states.

他们预计明年将有 14,000 名新患者从附近的州来到伊利诺伊州南部。

Which brings me to Act 3, The Abortion Desert Across the River.

这让我想到了第三幕，河对岸的堕胎沙漠。

On June 24, the day Roe was overturned, I was in St. Louis, Missouri.

6 月 24 日，即罗伊案被推翻的那一天，我在密苏里州圣路易斯。

I drove to meet a Missouri State representative named Mary Elizabeth Coleman.

我开车去见一位名叫玛丽·伊丽莎白·科尔曼的密苏里州代表。

Mary Elizabeth Coleman has been running at abortion for years.

玛丽·伊丽莎白·科尔曼多年来一直致力于堕胎。

She never stops running.

她从未停止奔跑。

Practically, the moment she got to the statehouse, she was helping to write a heartbeat bill.

实际上，她一到达州议会大厦，就正在帮忙写一份心跳法案。

That bill included the trigger ban that ended abortion in the state of Missouri.

该法案包括终止密苏里州堕胎的触发禁令。

In the last few months, she's been getting a lot of attention for this strategy that she came up with to attack the mega clinic Planned Parenthood built in Illinois.

在过去的几个月里，她为攻击伊利诺伊州计划生育协会建立的大型诊所而提出的这一策略受到了广泛关注。

Mary Elizabeth wrote a bill that would punish people who helped someone in Missouri cross state lines to get an abortion.

玛丽·伊丽莎白起草了一项法案，惩罚那些帮助密苏里州某人跨越州界堕胎的人。

The bill didn't go anywhere, but it's getting a lot of attention right now.

该法案没有得到任何进展，但现在引起了很多关注。

Lots of people are talking about state lines as the next frontier in the fight against abortion.

很多人都在谈论州界线是反对堕胎的下一个前沿。

The day Roe fell, Mary Elizabeth told me to meet her at the Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis, closest Catholic Church, just down the street, to the last abortion clinic in Missouri.

罗伊倒下的那天，玛丽·伊丽莎白告诉我在圣路易斯大教堂与她见面，这是最近的天主教堂，就在这条街上，到密苏里州最后一家堕胎诊所。

Um, what are we doing here?

嗯，我们在这里做什么？

Mary Elizabeth Coleman So I just was praying at the adoration chapel here and, yeah, just kind of taking a minute.

玛丽·伊丽莎白·科尔曼（Mary Elizabeth Coleman）所以我只是在这里的崇拜教堂祈祷，是的，只是花了一点时间。

She's come to this church many times to pray for the end of abortion in their Adoration Chapel, the special place in the church where Catholics believe God is literally present.

她多次来到这座教堂，在他们的崇拜教堂祈祷堕胎的结束，这是教堂里的一个特殊地方，天主教徒相信上帝确实存在。

We were whispering just outside the doorway.

我们就在门口窃窃私语。

This moment she'd been working her whole life for felt so heavy.

这一刻，她辛苦了一辈子，感觉如此沉重。

I just feel really, really sad about all the lives that have been lost and mourn all of the people who've been harmed and also feel just an incredible sense of gratitude and peace and joy that this has been fixed, that this terrible decision has been overcome.

我对所有失去的生命感到非常非常悲伤，哀悼所有受到伤害的人，同时也感到一种难以置信的感激、平静和喜悦，因为这个问题已经得到解决，这个可怕的决定已经被克服。

And it's an incredible victory for people like me, who call ourselves the pro-life generation.

对于像我这样自称为反堕胎一代的人来说，这是一次令人难以置信的胜利。

Like, I was adamant that we would be-- just adamant as a kid that we'd be the generation that would end Roe, and, like, it happened, and it worked, and it just feels really overwhelming.

就像，我坚定地认为我们会——就像一个孩子一样坚定地认为我们将成为终结罗伊的一代，就像，它发生了，它起作用了，而且感觉真的势不可挡。

Alongside these feelings, she says, is worry.

她说，除了这些感受之外，还有担忧。

She's thinking about the response, the way people are going to react to what happened, what that's going to look like, what that's going to feel like.

她正在思考人们的反应，人们对所发生的事情的反应方式，事情会是什么样子，会有什么样的感觉。

The day Roe fell also happened to be the feast day celebrating the birth of Saint John the Baptist, the guy known for preparing the way for Jesus and baptizing him in the Bible.

罗伊倒下的那天也恰好是庆祝施洗者圣约翰诞生的节日，圣约翰因在圣经中为耶稣铺路并为他施洗而闻名。

It's traditionally celebrated with a bonfire.

传统上是用篝火庆祝的。

Mary Elizabeth and 60 of her closest friends gathered at her house that night with her parish priest.

那天晚上，玛丽·伊丽莎白和她的 60 位最亲密的朋友与她的教区牧师一起聚集在她家。

Should we like the fire?

我们应该喜欢火吗？

Zoe Chace It was drinks, chips, prayer, s'mores.

佐伊·查斯（Zoe Chace）：有饮料、薯条、祈祷、夹心饼干。

What a wonderful day.

多么美好的一天啊。

Man 1 Agreed.

男人 1 同意。

I know.

我知道。

I've cried twice today.

今天我已经哭了两次了。

It's not like shouts of victory here.

这里不像是胜利的欢呼声。

It's more like nudging each other.

这更像是互相推搡。

Can you believe it?

你能相信吗？

Is it real?

这是真的吗？

Is it real?

这是真的吗？

Like, am I going to wake up tomorrow going, it really is real, you know?

就像，我明天醒来会不会，这真的是真的，你知道吗？

I think I will, but right now, I'm just like, it is real.

我想我会的，但现在，我只是想，这是真的。

It is real.

这是真实的。

Pinch me.

捏我一下

You know?

你知道？

It is real.

这是真实的。

Yeah.

是的。

Zoe Chace You can't overstate what a big day this is for pro-life Catholics.

佐伊·查斯（Zoe Chace） 对于反堕胎天主教徒来说，今天是多么重要的一天，怎么形容都不为过。

This has been a long fight for some of them.

对于他们中的一些人来说，这是一场漫长的斗争。

Here they were, reminiscing about how many Marches for Life they've been on.

他们在这里，回忆着他们参加过多少次生命游行。

It just makes it worthwhile, because those were brutal trips.

这让它变得值得，因为那些都是残酷的旅行。

You're on a bus all night.

你整晚都在公交车上。

You get up there.

你站起来。

You're exhausted.

你累坏了。

Thank you for coming out and for being here on this feast of John the Baptist.

感谢您来到这里参加施洗约翰的盛宴。

Chris, Mary Elizabeth's husband, gathers everyone out back.

玛丽·伊丽莎白的丈夫克里斯把所有人都聚集到了后面。

And what a glorious day, and a beautiful evening for a fire.

多么辉煌的一天，多么美丽的篝火之夜。

Father, it's all yours.

父亲，这一切都是你的。

And I can't resist having a captive audience just to say a quick word.

我无法抗拒让一群被俘虏的观众只是说一句话。

Saint John the Baptist's story starts with something called The Visitation.

施洗者圣约翰的故事始于“探访”。

While she's pregnant, Mary goes to see her cousin Elizabeth, who's also pregnant.

玛丽怀孕期间，去看望她也怀孕了的表弟伊丽莎白。

Upon seeing Mary, Elizabeth feels her child leap in her womb, recognizing Jesus, the Savior, in Mary's womb.

看到玛丽亚后，伊丽莎白感觉到她的孩子在她的子宫里跳跃，认出了玛丽亚子宫里的救世主耶稣。

Elizabeth basically says, Mary, your pregnancy is going to turn out great.

伊丽莎白基本上是说，玛丽，你的怀孕会很顺利。

Mary Elizabeth.

玛丽·伊丽莎白。

This story from the Bible is her namesake.

这个圣经故事就是她的同名故事。

Roe v.

罗伊诉。

Wade is overturned, for which many people like Mary Elizabeth have striven so hard to bring about a culture of life.

韦德被推翻了，许多像玛丽·伊丽莎白这样的人为此付出了巨大的努力，以创造一种生活文化。

The bonfire burned out.

篝火燃尽了。

The night went late.

夜已经很晚了。

Mary Elizabeth told me she went to bed with this bracing feeling, holding her breath, some relief, but also dread, she said, about what happens next.

玛丽·伊丽莎白告诉我，她带着这种令人振奋的感觉上床睡觉，屏住呼吸，有些松了口气，但她说，她也对接下来发生的事情感到恐惧。

Let us pray.

让我们祈祷吧。

Oh, Lord, God, father almighty, unfailing ray and source of all light, sanctify this new fire, and grant that after the darkness--

哦，主啊，上帝，全能的父亲，永恒的光芒和所有光明的源泉，请圣化这新的火焰，并在黑暗之后赐予它——

This is Act 4, Next.

这是第四幕，下一个。

What happens next is a subject for so many pro-life lawmakers, who spent years, like Mary Elizabeth, hoping to get to this point and overturn Roe.

接下来发生的事情是许多反堕胎立法者的主题，他们像玛丽·伊丽莎白一样花了数年时间希望达到这一点并推翻罗伊。

I should say that throughout today's program, we're using the terms for people on each side of this issue that they choose themselves-- like pro-life.

我应该说，在今天的整个节目中，我们使用的术语是针对这个问题的各方人士，他们自己选择的——比如反堕胎。

I've talked to a few of these lawmakers, and opinions really are all over the place.

我曾与其中一些立法者交谈过，意见确实五花八门。

There's no consensus on how to proceed, just a general sense that the courts and Supreme Court seem to be on their side.

对于如何进行还没有达成共识，只是普遍认为法院和最高法院似乎站在他们一边。

And so there's no telling how far they're going to be able to go right now.

因此，目前尚不清楚他们能走多远。

Like, for example, here's one of the biggest questions out there that lawmakers in the movement do not agree on.

举例来说，这是运动中的立法者未能达成一致的最大问题之一。

The question is, should states that ban abortion try to do anything about all the people who are going to cross state lines to get abortions in clinics like the one in Illinois that Zoe visited.

问题是，禁止堕胎的州是否应该尝试对所有跨州去诊所堕胎的人采取任何措施，就像佐伊去过的伊利诺伊州诊所那样。

What can they do?

他们能做什么？

The Thomas More Society, this conservative nonprofit, has put together model legislation on this.

托马斯·莫尔协会（Thomas More Society）是一家保守的非营利组织，已就此制定了示范立法。

They are one of a handful of outfits throwing out legal strategies right now.

他们是目前少数几家放弃法律策略的机构之一。

Peter Breen is their Vice President and senior counsel.

Peter Breen 是他们的副总裁兼高级法律顾问。

Well, if you frame the question as trying to stop someone from across a state line, your natural instinct might be, oh, well, I don't think you can do that.

好吧，如果你把这个问题描述为试图阻止某人越过州界，你的本能可能是，哦，好吧，我认为你做不到。

But when you frame the question in the way that the Dobbs Supreme Court majority framed it, which is, this is an unborn human child, well, then the question looks a lot different, and the unborn child is now a resident and can be treated as a resident of their home state.

但是，当你按照多布斯最高法院多数派的方式来构建这个问题时，即这是一个未出生的人类孩子，那么问题看起来就大不一样了，未出生的孩子现在是居民，可以被视为其所在州的居民。

And when you look at it that way, the state's interest in protecting a minor who is a resident of that state, you can't just take the minor across state lines to do something illegal to that minor.

当你这样看时，州保护作为该州居民的未成年人的利益，你不能只是带着未成年人跨越州界对该未成年人做一些非法的事情。

That would be a grave crime.

那将是严重的犯罪行为。

It is something that, in other contexts, such as sex trafficking or child abuse, no one would challenge that that home state has jurisdiction to protect that child.

在其他情况下，例如性贩运或虐待儿童，没有人会质疑母国拥有保护该儿童的管辖权。

Would the courts agree with him?

法院会同意他的观点吗？

That is totally unclear.

这是完全不清楚的。

It raises complicated legal questions, and other pro-life legislators and legal thinkers do not think this is a slam dunk at all.

它提出了复杂的法律问题，其他反堕胎立法者和法律思想家根本不认为这是一个稳妥的做法。

But strategists are floating all sorts of ideas like this right now, and nobody knows which of those laws are going to hold up in court.

但战略家们现在正在提出各种各样的想法，没有人知道哪些法律会在法庭上站得住脚。

And in the coming months and years, we're going to be seeing all kinds of state laws using all kinds of tactics like these to try to crack down on abortion.

在接下来的几个月和几年里，我们将看到各种州法律使用诸如此类的各种策略来试图打击堕胎。

I was interested to talk to somebody in the movement who is sorting through those ideas, trying to figure out what might work best right down, to hear how they're weighing the pros and cons of various approaches.

我有兴趣与运动中的一些人交谈，他们正在整理这些想法，试图找出最有效的方法，听听他们如何权衡各种方法的利弊。

And I went to one of the most forward looking, John Seago, President of Texas Right to Life.

我去找了最有远见的人之一约翰·西戈，他是德克萨斯州生命权组织的主席。

Last year, Texas jumped to the front of the legal battle over abortion in our country when it passed the so-called Heartbeat Act, SB 8.

去年，德克萨斯州通过了所谓的“心跳法案”(SB 8)，成为我国堕胎法律斗争的前沿。

That's the law that said that anyone in Texas, any private individual, could sue anybody who performs an abortion or anybody who even just helps someone get an abortion starting around six weeks after gestation.

法律规定，德克萨斯州的任何人，任何个人，都可以起诉任何进行堕胎的人，甚至只是帮助某人在怀孕后六周左右开始堕胎的人。

Seago helped shepherd that bill to passage.

西戈帮助推动该法案获得通过。

It's been widely imitated across the country.

已被全国各地广泛模仿。

Seago's been talking to legislators and thinking a lot about what they should do next.

西戈一直在与立法者交谈并思考他们下一步应该做什么。

And, for starters, he's somebody who does not think they should try to stop women from crossing state lines to get abortions.

首先，他认为他们不应该试图阻止妇女跨越州界堕胎。

I'm not confident that's actually going to work as far as legislation.

我不确定这在立法方面是否真正有效。

You can't outlaw aiding and abetting an activity in another state, and I'm sure that there is language out there that may be offered this session to get around some of that, but at this moment, I don't think that that's going to be the best use of our efforts right now.

你不能禁止在另一个州协助和教唆某项活动，我确信本次会议可能会提供一些语言来解决其中的一些问题，但目前，我认为这不是我们现在努力的最佳用途。

Are you saying that you think, actually, just from a practical point of view, it might be that the movement might have to live with the fact that some women are going to cross state lines, and there might be nothing that a state can do to stop that?

你是说，实际上，从实际的角度来看，这场运动可能不得不接受这样一个事实：一些女性将跨越州界，而州可能无法采取任何措施来阻止这种情况？

I mean, this is a reality of federalism, and I don't think that that's going to be the best use of our efforts right now.

我的意思是，这是联邦制的现实，我认为这不会是我们目前努力的最佳用途。

That means, Seago says, not going after somebody who crosses state lines for an abortion, or people, or organizations who help them do it, or advertising that lets people know about abortion clinics in other states.

西戈说，这意味着，不要追捕跨州堕胎的人，或者帮助他们堕胎的人或组织，或者让人们了解其他州堕胎诊所的广告。

Instead, John Seago says the movement in his state, Texas, should be focusing on making Texas a more hospitable place to keep and raise a baby with more support for mothers.

相反，约翰·西戈表示，他所在的德克萨斯州的运动应该侧重于使德克萨斯州成为一个更适宜饲养和抚养婴儿的地方，并为母亲提供更多支持。

This is something I heard from other pro-life politicians around the country.

这是我从全国其他反堕胎政客那里听到的。

Seago says another thing they have to do now that abortion is banned in so many states, they have to make sure the bans are enforced.

西戈说，既然许多州都禁止堕胎，他们必须做的另一件事是，他们必须确保禁令得到执行。

The movement is unified that we need to fully enforce our laws.

该运动一致认为我们需要充分执行我们的法律。

We have serious problems with that here in Texas with district attorneys saying they don't want to enforce our laws, even now with Roe v.

在德克萨斯州，我们在这方面遇到了严重的问题，地区检察官表示他们不想执行我们的法律，即使现在有罗伊诉特朗普案。

Wade being overturned.

韦德被翻盘。

What he's talking about is district attorneys in Texas counties that contain Dallas, and Austin, and San Antonio, and Corpus Christi, also Fort Bend County on the outskirts of Houston.

他所说的是德克萨斯州各县的地方检察官，其中包括达拉斯、奥斯汀、圣安东尼奥、科珀斯克里斯蒂以及休斯顿郊区的本德堡县。

All these district attorneys joining over 80 prosecutors around the country in saying they will not prosecute doctors who continue to do abortions.

所有这些地方检察官与全国 80 多名检察官一起表示，他们不会起诉继续堕胎的医生。

And so that's kind of one of the hurdles of how do we look at actually prosecuting that.

因此，这就是我们如何看待实际起诉的障碍之一。

Well, there's a couple of different public policy responses.

嗯，有几种不同的公共政策反应。

For instance, they could authorize the Texas Attorney General to prosecute those cases or have DAs from nearby counties do it.

例如，他们可以授权德克萨斯州总检察长起诉这些案件，或者让附近县的地方检察官起诉这些案件。

But the best solution, Seago thinks, is to beef up what they did in the Texas abortion law and give private citizens more power to sue any doctor who they think is still performing abortions.

但西戈认为，最好的解决方案是加强德克萨斯州堕胎法的规定，并赋予公民更多权力来起诉他们认为仍在实施堕胎的医生。

This, by the way, is also the approach recommended by the National Right to Life Committee.

顺便说一下，这也是国家生命权委员会推荐的做法。

That's the national group that Texas Right to Life is affiliated with.

这是德克萨斯州生命权组织所属的全国性组织。

They've drafted model legislation for states to adopt that would make it possible to prosecute anybody helping someone get an abortion in a state that's banned it by authorizing attorneys general to prosecute if local district attorneys don't want to do it and by giving citizens the power to sue anybody they think is breaking the law.

他们起草了供各州采用的示范立法，授权总检察长在当地地方检察官不愿意这样做的情况下起诉，并赋予公民起诉任何他们认为违法的人的权力，从而使在禁止堕胎的州起诉任何帮助某人堕胎的人成为可能。

Specifically, the draft legislation would give the father and the grandparents of the unborn child the ability to sue for compensatory and punitive damages if there's an illegal abortion.

具体来说，如果发生非法堕胎，该立法草案将赋予未出生孩子的父亲和祖父母提起诉讼，要求补偿性和惩罚性赔偿的能力。

And if the pregnancy was caused by rape or incest, the father of the unborn child would not be able to sue for damages, but the way the draft law is written, his parents could.

如果怀孕是由强奸或乱伦造成的，未出生孩子的父亲将无法起诉要求赔偿，但根据法律草案的规定，他的父母可以。

So the other big thing I wanted to talk to you about is pills.

我想和你谈论的另一件大事是药物。

This is the other way that it seems like women in states that have banned abortion might still be able to get abortions.

从另一种角度来看，禁止堕胎的州的女性似乎仍然可以堕胎。

Right now, more than half of all the abortions in the United States are induced by pills.

目前，美国一半以上的堕胎是通过药物引起的。

The FDA has approved these medications for use up to 10 weeks of pregnancy, and the states that have banned surgical abortions have also made it illegal for a woman to go online and just order these pills from a website.

FDA 已批准这些药物在怀孕 10 周内使用，而禁止手术堕胎的州也规定妇女从网站上在线订购这些药物为非法行为。

But as a practical matter, it seems very hard to enforce.

但从实际情况来看，执行起来似乎非常困难。

These websites are often overseas.

这些网站通常位于海外。

It would just be very difficult for a state like Texas or any other state to kind of reach overseas and do anything to the people who set up those websites.

对于像德克萨斯州或任何其他州这样的州来说，想要到达海外并对建立这些网站的人做任何事情都是非常困难的。

What can be done there?

在那里可以做什么？

Where do you see opportunities for state legislators?

您认为州立法者的机会在哪里？

Where do you see the limits of it?

您认为它的局限性在哪里？

Yeah, I mean, this is another question of enforcement.

是的，我的意思是，这是另一个执行问题。

So that activity of mailing abortion-inducing drugs is illegal in Texas, and so we're definitely looking at how can we enforce the law, where we're looking to tools that are not typically used.

因此，邮寄堕胎药物的活动在德克萨斯州是非法的，因此我们肯定会考虑如何执行法律，我们正在寻找通常不使用的工具。

And so how is this getting to Texans?

那么德克萨斯人对此有何感想呢？

Well, it's getting to them through the internet.

嗯，它是通过互联网到达他们的。

It's getting through their internet providers or through their cell phone providers.

它通过他们的互联网提供商或手机提供商进行。

And so are they breaking any federal laws?

那么他们是否违反了任何联邦法律？

Are they breaking any state laws?

他们是否违反了任何州法律？

But he says they're still figuring all this out.

但他说他们仍在解决这一切。

It's really not clear what's going to work.

确实不清楚什么会起作用。

One promising option, he says, is to give the Texas Attorney General more power to prosecute companies overseas that are sending these abortion pills into Texas and to make it possible for private citizens to sue them as well, which, he hopes, will drag those companies into court in Texas to slow them down or stop them.

他说，一个有希望的选择是赋予德克萨斯州总检察长更大的权力来起诉向德克萨斯州运送这些堕胎药的海外公司，并让私人公民也可以起诉他们，他希望这将把这些公司拖到德克萨斯州的法庭上，以减缓或阻止他们。

I know it's always been a bright line for everybody trying to stop abortion in this country that they don't want to punish a pregnant woman who gets an abortion or wants an abortion.

我知道对于这个国家每个试图阻止堕胎的人来说，他们不想惩罚堕胎或想要堕胎的孕妇一直是一条明线。

But when it comes to these websites, it seems like, really, that's the person who's choosing to make the abortion happen more than anybody else.

但当谈到这些网站时，似乎确实是这个人比其他任何人都更多地选择让堕胎发生。

Do you hear talk of anyone saying, well, let's stop the woman in some way from doing that or penalize the woman?

您是否听到有人说，好吧，让我们以某种方式阻止该妇女这样做或惩罚该妇女？

Yes, I mean, there is a minority in the pro-life movement that they are focused on wanting to criminalize the woman seeking an abortion.

是的，我的意思是，反堕胎运动中有少数人致力于将寻求堕胎的妇女定为犯罪。

That's a minority, but that is a loud minority, and, unfortunately, they're continuing to talk about that.

那是少数，但那是一个大声的少数，不幸的是，他们仍在继续谈论这一点。

We don't believe that that's the best priority for us.

我们认为这不是我们的最佳优先事项。

We don't think that that's really the best way that we can move forward.

我们认为这并不是我们前进的最佳方式。

We think that, after 50 years of the messaging from the media, the messaging from, unfortunately, our highest court of the land that this is a constitutional right, and this is something that's necessary for her success.

我们认为，经过 50 年的媒体信息传递，不幸的是，我们国家最高法院的信息传递表明，这是一项宪法权利，这是她成功所必需的。

We don't think that it's just to immediately turn around and to criminalize this activity just because the woman has believed what the media and what the Supreme Court has told her for 50 years.

我们不认为仅仅因为这名妇女50年来相信媒体和最高法院告诉她的话，就应该立即扭转局面并将这一活动定为刑事犯罪。

So in the long run, Seago says that he wants to end abortion in every state.

因此，从长远来看，西戈说他希望在每个州结束堕胎。

He says if you really believe that life begins at conception, you have an obligation to try to stop abortion everywhere.

他说，如果你真的相信生命从受孕开始，你就有义务努力阻止各地的堕胎。

But in the short run, in the next legislative session in Texas, his goal is to pass laws that will help enforce the abortion ban in their state and go after abortion pills and whoever is sending them into Texas, somehow.

但从短期来看，在德克萨斯州的下一次立法会议上，他的目标是通过法律，帮助在该州执行堕胎禁令，并追查堕胎药以及以某种方式将堕胎药送到德克萨斯州的人。

I'm reporter Rebecca Grant, and this is Act 5, The Pill Smuggler.

我是记者丽贝卡·格兰特，这是第五幕，《药丸走私者》。

I think I seem like a little nice old lady.

我觉得我看起来像个和蔼可亲的老太太。

I walk my dog, and I'm a neighborhood kind of person.

我遛狗，而且我是一个邻里的人。

Do you think that you're able to do your legally risky work more safely because you come off as a nice little old lady?

你是否认为因为你表现得像个和善的小老太太，你就能更安全地从事有法律风险的工作？

Absolutely.

绝对地。

Who else could do this but a nice little old lady that no one's going to pay any attention to?

除了一个没人会注意的和蔼可亲的小老太太之外，还有谁能做到这一点呢？

You know, who else can get away with this?

你知道，还有谁能逃脱这种惩罚呢？

This is Stephanie.

这是斯蒂芬妮。

Stephanie is in her 60s.

斯蒂芬妮 60 多岁了。

She's a white lady, lives in a Southern red state, and what she's getting away with is this.

她是一位白人女士，住在南方红州，而她却侥幸逃脱了惩罚。

She gets shipments of abortion pills from Mexico and India.

她从墨西哥和印度收到了一批堕胎药。

Then she mails them out to people who can't get an abortion at a clinic.

然后她将它们邮寄给那些无法在诊所堕胎的人。

There's no prescription involved, no doctors or nurses.

无需处方，无需医生或护士。

The people who get the packages will take the pills and do their abortion at home.

收到包裹的人将服用药物并在家进行堕胎。

The lingo for this is self-managed abortion.

行话是自我管理堕胎。

Stephanie, by the way, is not her real name, and this is not her real voice.

顺便说一句，斯蒂芬妮不是她的真名，这也不是她的真实声音。

We had an actor copy what she said as closely as possible to protect her identity.

我们让一名演员尽可能准确地复制她所说的话，以保护她的身份。

Stephanie runs this underground operation out of her bedroom.

斯蒂芬妮在她的卧室里经营着这个地下组织。

When she gets a new shipment of pills, she puts on a pair of latex gloves, spreads out all her supplies on top of her king-size bed and divvies them up into little plastic baggies while she watches MSNBC.

当她收到一批新的药片时，她会戴上一副乳胶手套，将所有物品铺在特大号床上，然后将它们分装到小塑料袋中，同时观看 MSNBC。

She loves Rachel Maddow.

她爱瑞秋·玛多。

So this is what it looks like.

这就是它的样子。

Sometimes it's a little bit thicker, and if you feel it, it's incredibly light, and I'll open it so you can see what's inside.

有时它会厚一点，如果你感觉到它，它会非常轻，我会打开它，这样你就可以看到里面的东西。

Anyway, this is it.

不管怎样，就是这样了。

So the big pill is our new exciting pill.

因此，大药丸是我们令人兴奋的新药丸。

In the last shipment, she received 50 mifepristone pills, miffys.

在最后一批货物中，她收到了 50 颗米非司酮药丸，miffys。

And this is miso.

这是味噌。

Rebecca Grant And over 1,000 misoprostol pills, misos.

丽贝卡·格兰特 还有 1,000 多种米索前列醇药丸，味噌。

If all these pills were getting prescribed in a clinic, it would add up to about $30,000.

如果所有这些药片都在诊所开处方，加起来大约需要 30,000 美元。

She has generic versions.

她有通用版本。

They're just as safe and effective.

它们同样安全有效。

And miso is like a wonder drug.

味噌就像一种神奇的药物。

It's just considered exceptionally effective and very safe.

它被认为非常有效并且非常安全。

Stephanie has sent pills to hundreds of people.

斯蒂芬妮已经给数百人寄去了药片。

She fields requests through an encrypted email address.

她通过加密的电子邮件地址处理请求。

To send the pills, she stuffs them into bubble mailers from the dollar store along with a QR code that links to information about how to use them and the medical risks, which are few.

为了寄出这些药片，她将它们从一元店塞进气泡信封，并附上一个二维码，该二维码链接到有关如何使用它们的信息以及很少的医疗风险。

Then, by hand, she writes out a random return address so that the package can never be traced back to her.

然后，她用手写下一个随机的退货地址，这样包裹就永远无法追溯到她身上。

She holds up a package to show me and my producer Aviva.

她举起一个包裹给我和我的制作人 Aviva 看。

I usually go through houses for sale and put down an address of a house for sale somewhere in my area of the world.

我通常会浏览待售房屋，并记下我所在地区某处待售房屋的地址。

Zillow.

齐洛。

Rebecca Grant How are you finding these houses?

丽贝卡·格兰特 你怎么找到这些房子的？

Yeah, mm-hmm, and then try to do different towns all over our area so it always comes from different towns.

是的，嗯，然后尝试在我们地区的不同城镇进行，这样它总是来自不同的城镇。

Stephanie, to be clear, is not a medical professional, and she's definitely not supposed to be distributing medication, though she has no idea what the punishment would be if she got caught.

需要明确的是，斯蒂芬妮不是医疗专业人士，她绝对不应该分发药物，尽管她不知道如果她被抓住会受到什么惩罚。

Is it a slap on the wrist?

难道是一巴掌？

Is it a misdemeanor?

是否构成轻罪？

Is it a felony?

是重罪吗？

How bad is it?

有多糟糕？

And there are no clear cut answers from the lawyers.

律师也没有给出明确的答案。

Is that because nobody has been, in a meaningful way, prosecuted for that type of thing?

这是因为没有人因此类事情而受到有意义的起诉吗？

So it's just sort of, like, untraveled territory?

所以这只是一个未曾涉足的领域？

I think so.

我想是的。

Bringing miso across the border, is that legal or illegal?

携带味噌出境，合法还是非法？

What if someone's bringing it in huge, huge quantities to provide all over the US?

如果有人将其大量运送到美国各地怎么办？

Do you think that will lead to prosecution, and the answer was, we haven't seen that yet.

你认为这会导致起诉吗？答案是，我们还没有看到。

So until they start prosecuting people for it, it's all uncharted territory.

因此，在他们开始起诉相关人员之前，这一切都是未知的领域。

No one really knows what risk they're taking, I don't think.

我认为没有人真正知道他们正在冒什么风险。

Stephanie technically retired a few years ago, but she's one of those people who can't sit still.

严格来说，斯蒂芬妮几年前就退休了，但她是那些坐不住的人之一。

She describes herself as a doer.

她形容自己是一个实干家。

And so she started working with this nonprofit that helps people access abortions, and she felt relieved every time she could help a client MacGyver a way around the obstacles.

因此，她开始与这家帮助人们堕胎的非营利组织合作，每当她能帮助客户 MacGyver 克服障碍时，她都会感到如释重负。

But sometimes there are obstacles that couldn't be overcome, at least not without moving mountains.

但有时有些障碍是无法克服的，至少不移山是不可能的。

And Stephanie realized that sending people pills to take it home was a solution.

斯蒂芬妮意识到，给人们寄药丸带回家是一个解决方案。

This way, they wouldn't have to come up with the money or figure out child care or travel hundreds of miles to a clinic.

这样，他们就不必拿出钱或解决儿童保育问题或长途跋涉数百英里去诊所。

And, unlike the websites that sell these pills, they wouldn't need a credit card.

而且，与销售这些药丸的网站不同，他们不需要信用卡。

It could really help people without an ID or a bank account or who were running out of time.

它确实可以帮助那些没有身份证件、银行账户或时间不多的人。

So she decided to build out a shadow arm of her operation, all underground.

因此，她决定在地下建立一个影子部门。

When the nonprofit can't figure out another way to help someone, they give them Stephanie's encrypted email.

当非营利组织无法找到其他方法来帮助某人时，他们会向他们提供斯蒂芬妮的加密电子邮件。

There are actually people all over the country who do what Stephanie does, but no one really talks about it, even with each other.

事实上，全国各地都有人在做斯蒂芬妮所做的事情，但没有人真正谈论它，即使是彼此之间。

It's very self-contained, like in the old days, the Soviet cells where you'd have the knowledge held by just a few.

它非常独立，就像过去的苏联牢房一样，那里的知识只有少数人掌握。

And I don't think I would ever be tortured for this information, but no one can tell how it's happening if no one knows.

我不认为我会因为这些信息而受到折磨，但如果没有人知道，没有人能知道它是如何发生的。

Stephanie is obsessive about covering her tracks, but she can't control everything, like this one time at the post office.

斯蒂芬妮痴迷于掩盖自己的踪迹，但她无法控制一切，就像这次在邮局一样。

She goes there every day to pick up the above board mail for her nonprofit, all the bills, the donations, that kind of thing.

她每天都去那里领取她的非营利组织的公开邮件，所有的账单，捐款，诸如此类的东西。

But a couple of years ago, somebody sent a package of abortion pills there that was meant for the shadow side.

但几年前，有人寄了一包堕胎药到那里，本来是给阴影面的。

Stephanie assumed no one at the post office would notice or care.

斯蒂芬妮以为邮局里没有人会注意到或关心。

They know me.

他们认识我。

They know my family.

他们认识我的家人。

We all know everyone in the community.

我们都认识社区中的每个人。

They let me know when I have packages.

当我有包裹时他们会通知我。

They text me or call me when I have a package.

当我有包裹时，他们会给我发短信或打电话。

So one day, I was actually transporting a client from a clinic to their home, and I had just dropped them off.

所以有一天，我实际上正在运送一位客户从诊所到他们的家，我刚刚把他们送走了。

And I think I was in the parking lot just waiting for the next thing, and my phone rang, and it was the post office lady, who calls frequently.

我想我当时正在停车场等待下一件事，我的电话响了，是邮局的女士打来的，她经常打来电话。

And I said, OK, hi, post office lady, what's up?

我说，好吧，嗨，邮局女士，怎么了？

And she said, I need to talk to you, I need you to come in right now.

她说，我需要和你谈谈，我需要你现在进来。

And I said, I can't come in town, and she's furious and just upset.

我说，我不能进城，她很生气，很沮丧。

And she said, do you know Jane?

她说，你认识简吗？

And I said, Jane?

我说，简？

I don't know Jane.

我不认识简。

And she said, well, something was sent to your post office box in this person's name, and I opened it, and it has some illegal things in it.

她说，嗯，有东西以这个人的名义寄到你的邮政信箱，我打开了，里面有一些非法的东西。

And I called the police, and they're here, and they want to open a case, and I want you to talk to them.

我报了警，他们来了，他们想立案，我希望你和他们谈谈。

So the police got on the speakerphone and said, do you know Jane?

于是警察通过扩音器问，你认识简吗？

And I said, no, I have no idea who Jane is.

我说，不，我不知道简是谁。

Did you know who Jane was?

你知道简是谁吗？

Stephanie Yes, of course I knew who Jane was.

斯蒂芬妮 是的，我当然知道简是谁。

And who was Jane?

简是谁？

Stephanie Jane was one of my aliases.

斯蒂芬妮·简是我的化名之一。

Stephanie tried to stay calm on the phone, but inside, she was freaking out.

斯蒂芬妮在电话中试图保持冷静，但内心却吓坏了。

She's not really sure why, but the case didn't end up going anywhere.

她不太清楚为什么，但案子最终没有任何进展。

Maybe it was because her name wasn't on the package.

也许是因为包裹上没有她的名字。

After that, Stephanie made sure she never got abortion pills at that post office, but she still gets all her legal, boring nonprofit mail there, and she knows the same clerk is going to handle it.

在那之后，斯蒂芬妮确保她从未在那个邮局收到过堕胎药，但她仍然在那里收到所有合法的、无聊的非营利邮件，而且她知道同一个职员会处理这些邮件。

I take great pleasure about sending things to her that are labeled abortion.

我很高兴给她寄一些贴有堕胎标签的东西。

Why?

为什么？

Stephanie I don't know.

斯蒂芬妮 我不知道。

I guess it's petty, but I just want her, whatever her individual feelings are, to have to receive our abortion mail every day and hand it over to me.

我想这很琐碎，但我只是想让她，无论她个人的感受如何，每天都必须收到我们的堕胎邮件并将其交给我。

And every day, I go in there with a big smile on my face and say, I'm here to pick up my mail.

每天，我都会带着灿烂的笑容走进那里，说，我是来取邮件的。

Stephanie knows that a crackdown on self-managed medication abortion is coming, and she worries that someone could try to prosecute her for aiding and abetting an abortion, even for being an accessory to murder.

斯蒂芬妮知道，对自行药物堕胎的打击即将到来，她担心有人可能会试图起诉她协助和教唆堕胎，甚至是谋杀的同谋。

But Stephanie is hopeful that those kinds of laws will be difficult to actually enforce.

但斯蒂芬妮希望这些法律很难真正执行。

There are just too many people sending too many pills in nondescript envelopes through the mail.

有太多的人通过邮件将太多的药片装在不起眼的信封中寄出。

It would be impossible to intercept every one.

想要拦截所有的人是不可能的。

There's no way to limit it.

没有办法限制它。

Yeah, no, it's available.

是的，不，它可用。

It's widely available.

它被广泛使用。

If there's a need, there'll be a way to get it if people know where to go.

如果有需要，如果人们知道去哪里，就会有办法得到它。

We just need to get the word out.

我们只需要把消息传出去。

Stephanie is optimistic, but she still prepares for the worst.

斯蒂芬妮很乐观，但她仍然做好最坏的打算。

Every day, she wakes up early.

每天，她都起得很早。

She showers, does her hair and makeup, and gets dressed so she's presentable just in case the police show up to arrest her.

她洗澡、做头发、化妆，然后穿好衣服，以防警察出现逮捕她。

Coming up, scrambling to get ready for all the babies that are coming now that Roe is gone.

来了，争先恐后地为所有即将到来的婴儿做好准备，因为罗伊已经走了。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.

芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today's program, The Pink House at the Center of the World.

今天的节目是世界中心的粉红房子。

If you're just tuning in, we began today at the Mississippi clinic that was in the middle of the Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe versus Wade.

如果您刚刚收看，我们今天从密西西比诊所开始，当时最高法院正在推翻罗伊诉韦德案的判决。

And then, from there, we headed out to other places shaken by this seismic change in our country.

然后，从那里，我们前往因我国发生的这场巨变而震动的其他地方。

So far, we have been to Illinois, Missouri, Texas, and in this part of our show, we now head back to the state we started.

到目前为止，我们已经去过伊利诺伊州、密苏里州、德克萨斯州，在我们节目的这一部分中，我们现在回到我们开始的州。

I'm Emma Green.

我是艾玛·格林。

This is Act 6, The Babies.

这是第六幕，婴儿们。

Babies are coming.

宝宝们来了。

No one knows exactly how many, thousands, tens of thousands.

没有人知道到底有多少，几千，几万。

The pro-life movement has spent so long trying to get these babies here, to make abortion illegal, unthinkable, and now the movement has declared its next mission.

反堕胎运动花了很长时间试图让这些婴儿来到这里，让堕胎变得非法、不可想象，现在该运动宣布了它的下一个使命。

They have to take care of these women.

他们必须照顾这些妇女。

They have to take care of these babies.

他们必须照顾这些婴儿。

In Mississippi, Anja Baker is the woman running point on all these babies.

在密西西比州，安雅·贝克 (Anja Baker) 是所有这些婴儿的负责人。

She's this super intense 27-year-old who's been fully dedicated to the pro-life movement since she was 15.

她是一位超级热情的 27 岁女孩，从 15 岁起就全身心投入反堕胎运动。

Her dad's white.

她爸爸是白人。

Her mom's Mexican-American.

她的妈妈是墨西哥裔美国人。

She's a Catholic convert.

她是一名皈依天主教的人。

On her left shoulder, she's got a tattoo of a giant white rose, a tribute to a German woman who resisted the Nazis.

在她的左肩上，有一朵巨大的白玫瑰纹身，这是为了纪念一位抵抗纳粹的德国妇女。

On the top of her right foot, she's got another tattoo of these tiny little footprints the size of a 22-week-old's, about the youngest age a baby can survive being born.

在她的右脚上，她还有另一个纹身，上面有这些微小的脚印，大小相当于 22 周婴儿的脚印，大约是婴儿出生后能存活的最小年龄。

And a lot of times it kind of freaks people out [LAUGHS] because that's not what they were expecting.

很多时候这会让人们感到害怕[笑]，因为这不是他们所期望的。

And so when people are like oh, yeah, that's my tattoo, you know-- I remember talk-- run into a girl who was like, oh, yeah, I've got a tattoo in the same spot.

因此，当人们说，哦，是的，那是我的纹身，你知道 - 我记得谈话 - 遇到一个女孩，她说，哦，是的，我在同一个地方有纹身。

And she was like, what are your tattoos about, and I basically was like, abortion and the Holocaust, and she was like, mine's a butterfly.

她说，你的纹身是关于什么的，我基本上是，堕胎和大屠杀，她说，我的纹身是一只蝴蝶。

I met up with Anja in Jackson.

我在杰克逊遇见了安雅。

She took me on a tour of the post Roe world that she hopes to build.

她带我参观了她希望建立的后罗伊世界。

Anja works for a national pro-life group called Susan B.

Anja 在一个名为 Susan B. 的全国反堕胎组织工作。

Anthony Pro-Life America.

安东尼·美国反堕胎组织。

More than any other organization, they can take credit for this moment, for the careful political strategy that led to Roe falling.

他们比任何其他组织都更能在这一刻获得功劳，因为他们采取了谨慎的政治策略，导致罗伊垮台。

And now, they want to help all these babies, but they're not quite ready.

现在，他们想帮助所有这些婴儿，但他们还没有准备好。

For example, Anja's job is to create this online directory for Mississippi, a website of every kind of resource a new mom and baby might need, everything from diapers and formula to addiction treatment and housing help.

例如，Anja 的工作是为密西西比州创建这个在线目录，该网站包含新妈妈和婴儿可能需要的各种资源，从尿布和配方奶粉到成瘾治疗和住房帮助。

She doesn't include anyone, therapists, OB-GYNs, any organization who might help a woman get an abortion.

她不包括任何可能帮助妇女堕胎的人、治疗师、妇产科医生和任何组织。

I followed Anja around just four days before Roe got overturned, and her directory was still a draft.

在罗伊被推翻的四天前，我跟踪了安雅，而她的目录仍然是草稿。

The goal eventually is to have a version of this in all 50 states.

最终的目标是在所有 50 个州都有一个这样的版本。

Right now, two are live.

现在，有两个人正在直播。

I'm assuming he's in here.

我猜想他就在这里。

This is the resource center.

这是资源中心。

Looks like they're sorting donations there.

看起来他们正在那里整理捐款。

The first stop on our tour was a church that was stockpiling donated baby stuff.

我们旅行的第一站是一座教堂，那里正在储存捐赠的婴儿用品。

We put crib mattresses up top.

我们把婴儿床床垫放在上面。

You can see the pack and plays there.

你可以看到包并在那里玩。

There's two of those, and then the shelf right over, there's two strollers, I believe, and then there's some bed rails.

有两个，然后是架子，我相信，有两个婴儿车，然后还有一些床栏。

And then over here--

然后在这里——

Next, we visited these two pro-life activists in Jackson who brainstormed with Anja how to get more churches activated to join Anja's mission, to do more practical stuff to help women.

接下来，我们拜访了杰克逊的两位反堕胎活动家，他们与安雅进行了集思广益，如何让更多的教堂激活加入安雅的使命，做更多实际的事情来帮助女性。

One of them, Monica, mentioned she's one of the few Black women who protests outside the Pink House, the abortion clinic in Jackson.

其中一位莫妮卡提到，她是少数在杰克逊堕胎诊所粉红屋外抗议的黑人女性之一。

--just feel like I'm chosen.

——只是感觉我被选中了。

Emma Green Anja's excited to talk to Monica, in part because she wants the pro-life movement to reach more Black women.

艾玛·格林·安雅 (Emma Green Anja) 很高兴与莫妮卡交谈，部分原因是她希望反堕胎运动能够影响到更多的黑人女性。

Do you envision this at Black churches, like, predominantly Black, not just the diverse churches?

您是否设想在黑人教会中会出现这种情况，例如以黑人为主的教会，而不仅仅是多元化的教会？

And if you do, how do you-- is anyone coming to mind?

如果你这样做了，你会想到什么人？

Are you getting ideas?

你有想法吗？

I am.

我是。

I am over here like-- Emma Green Anja is a fix-it kind of gal, and, to her, the task ahead seemed straightforward.

我在这里就像——艾玛·格林·安雅（Emma Green Anja）是一个喜欢解决问题的女孩，对她来说，前面的任务似乎很简单。

There were 3,559 abortions in Mississippi in 2020.

2020 年，密西西比州有 3,559 例堕胎。

She interprets this like a lot of other pro-lifers do, that the only reason these abortions happened was because women felt powerless, like they had no other option.

她像许多其他反堕胎者一样解释这一点，这些堕胎发生的唯一原因是因为女性感到无能为力，就像她们别无选择。

So often, a different decision would be made that felt more empowering to her if she had information, resources, knowledge, emotional support.

如果她有信息、资源、知识和情感支持，她常常会做出不同的决定，让她感觉更有力量。

And I think, OK, there's an equation here.

我想，好吧，这里有一个方程式。

There's a woman who didn't expect to be pregnant but technically does want to stay pregnant, but this is missing.

有一位女性原本没想到会怀孕，但从技术上讲确实想继续怀孕，但这却缺失了。

Which could equal life.

这可以等于生命。

And so I thought, OK, so I can help with that gap.

所以我想，好吧，所以我可以帮助弥补这个差距。

Did you ever spend time thinking about the other scenario, which is the woman who doesn't technically want to stay pregnant?

您是否曾花时间思考过另一种情况，即女性实际上不想继续怀孕？

Yeah, but I find so often with the women who did not want to be pregnant, a lot of times it still comes down to an idea that she has about what it means for her, that she will lose her scholarship, that she will lose her job, that she will not be able to ask for leave, that she will be kicked out of her parents' house.

是的，但我经常发现那些不想怀孕的女性，很多时候仍然归结为她知道这对她意味着什么，她将失去奖学金，她将失去工作，她将无法请假，她将被赶出父母的家。

Fill in the blank.

填空。

A lot of the time, it's still that even if the idea of pregnancy doesn't excite her or wasn't something she was really looking forward to anytime soon.

很多时候，即使怀孕的想法并不让她兴奋，或者不是她很快就会真正期待的事情，但仍然如此。

Anja is the kind of person who is looking forward to having kids.

安雅（Anja）是那种期待生孩子的人。

But even then, the reality of it has been complicated.

但即便如此，现实情况仍然很复杂。

She's a youngish mom with two sons, a toddler and a 14-month-old with special needs.

她是一位年轻的妈妈，有两个儿子，一个是幼儿，一个是有特殊需要的 14 个月大的孩子。

Her younger son Herschel needs to be nursed every four hours and can't sit up on his own.

她的小儿子赫歇尔每四个小时就需要护理一次，而且还不能自己坐起来。

So any time Anja has to travel for work, like today, she needs to bring along a whole entourage of caretakers.

因此，任何时候 Anja 必须出差时，就像今天一样，她都需要带上一整套看护人员的随行人员。

Over the course of the day, we meet a baby sitter, Katie, Anja's mom, Cecilia, and her husband Nate, who holds Herschey and pats him on the back as we head from one meeting to the next.

在这一天里，我们遇到了保姆凯蒂、安雅的妈妈塞西莉亚和她的丈夫内特，内特抱着赫希，拍着他的背，我们从一个会议转到下一个会议。

She comes after 2:00.

她 2:00 以后来。

He does rocking when it gets out of hand.

当事情失控时，他就会摇摆不定。

I do the nursing.

我做护理工作。

Medicine prep.

药物准备。

Anja Baker Medicine prep, yeah.

安雅·贝克医学预科，是的。

We did the medicine early this morning.

我们今天一早就服药了。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah, OK.

是的，好的。

Well, let's go.

好吧，我们走吧。

Nate follows in his white Jetta with Herschey as we drive an hour and a half out to Meridian, Mississippi to a place called the Center for Pregnancy Choices.

内特（Nate）开着他的白色捷达（Jetta）和赫希（Herschey）跟随我们，驱车一个半小时前往密西西比州默里迪恩（Meridian），到达一个名为“怀孕选择中心”的地方。

Hello, precious folks.

你好，亲爱的人们。

Emma Green It's a pregnancy help center, or what's often called a crisis pregnancy center, these places where women can get ultrasounds and diapers and moral support.

艾玛·格林 这是一个怀孕帮助中心，或者通常称为危机怀孕中心，妇女可以在这些地方获得超声波检查、尿布和道义支持。

The pro-life world has had these for decades, in part to try and convince women not to have abortions.

几十年来，反堕胎世界一直在这样做，部分原因是试图说服女性不要堕胎。

These are places where Jesus looms large.

这些都是耶稣显眼的地方。

It's not like they're government agencies.

这不像是政府机构。

But lately, state legislatures like the one in Mississippi are doling out millions of dollars to these centers.

但最近，像密西西比州这样的州立法机构正在向这些中心拨款数百万美元。

This is the safety net they're imagining for women who are pregnant.

这是他们为怀孕妇女设想的安全网。

So there's a poster in the bathroom that says, are you safe at home?

所以浴室里有一张海报，上面写着，你在家安全吗？

Has anyone in your home ever used words or actions to make you feel unsafe?

您家里是否有人曾用言语或行为让您感到不安全？

Do you have--

你有没有——

A bubbly white woman named Sara shows us closets full of baby gear and flyers for women interested in getting their GED, and she takes us down the hall to a room with a blue sofa where women can come and talk about what they're dealing with.

一位名叫萨拉（Sara）的活泼白人妇女向我们展示了装满婴儿用品的衣柜和为有兴趣获得 GED 的女性提供的传单，她带我们穿过大厅来到一个有蓝色沙发的房间，女性可以过来谈论她们正在处理的事情。

So this is that safe space I was telling you about, and these are Preggie Pops.

这就是我告诉你的安全空间，这些是 Preggie Pops。

So if you decide to eat a candy, it'll help you with nausea.

因此，如果您决定吃糖果，它会帮助您缓解恶心。

Visiting all of these places, it struck me how big this task will be, how big the need is.

参观了所有这些地方，我突然意识到这项任务有多大、需求有多大。

The women giving birth in Mississippi tend to be poor.

在密西西比州分娩的妇女往往很穷。

The state is the worst in the country when it comes to infant mortality and child poverty.

在婴儿死亡率和儿童贫困方面，该州是全国最差的。

Anja is not daunted by this.

安雅并不因此而畏惧。

We talked about it in the car.

我们在车上谈论了这件事。

Do you ever feel like you're asking too much of women?

你有没有觉得自己对女人的要求太多了？

Explain.

解释。

Emma Green Like, I guess a thing that I'm stuck on is it feels different to be like, this is hard, when it's something that you wanted versus something you didn't want.

艾玛·格林：我想我一直坚持的一件事是，当你想要的东西和你不想要的东西时，这很难，感觉是不同的。

Like, in the post Roe world, there are going to be women who are having babies who, before, would have chosen abortion and going through all of those really hard things also.

就像，在后罗伊世界中，将会有一些正在生孩子的女性，而在以前，她们会选择堕胎并经历所有这些非常艰难的事情。

And it just-- I don't know, it feels like it adds this layer that is just so heart wrenching.

它只是——我不知道，感觉它增加了这一层，真是令人心痛。

And I guess I wonder what you would say to them.

我想我想知道你会对他们说什么。

I really think that that is how life is, whether it's a pregnancy or somebody you love cheating on you or losing a job or your parent dying early.

我真的认为生活就是这样，无论是怀孕还是你所爱的人欺骗你，或者失业，或者你的父母早逝。

These are all-- I could go on, but these are things that happen to you that are immeasurably hard, that if anybody could choose for it to not happen to them, they would.

这些都是——我可以继续说下去，但这些发生在你身上的事情是难以估量的困难，如果有人可以选择不发生在他们身上，他们就会选择。

If they could time it differently, they would, but these are things that happen, and people do get pregnant.

如果他们可以选择不同的时间，他们会的，但这些事情确实会发生，人们确实会怀孕。

And once there is a pregnancy, there is a life.

一旦怀孕，就有了生命。

So that life cannot be justified to be ended, period.

所以生命不能被合理地结束，就这样。

When Anja imagines this new world, the world after Roe, it seems so clear to her.

当安雅想象这个新世界，即罗伊之后的世界时，她觉得一切都那么清晰。

The need will be met.

需求将会得到满足。

People will rise to the occasion.

人们会迎难而上。

With enough phone calls and texts and emails and volunteer hours, she can fix anything.

只要有足够的电话、短信、电子邮件和志愿者时间，她就能解决任何问题。

The babies are coming, and they'll be ready.

孩子们就要来了，他们会做好准备的。

Act 7, Back to Jackson.

第七幕，回到杰克逊。

So we end our show today by returning to the clinic that was the plaintiff in the Supreme Court case that overturned Roe versus Wade, the Jackson Women's Health Organization in Mississippi.

因此，我们今天结束节目时将回到最高法院推翻罗伊诉韦德案的原告诊所，密西西比州的杰克逊妇女健康组织。

If you remember from the beginning of our show, the day of the Supreme Court decision, they were overwhelmed with phone calls, people hearing the news and wanting to schedule abortions.

如果你还记得从我们的节目一开始，即最高法院判决的那天，他们就被电话淹没了，人们听到这个消息并想要安排堕胎。

And at first, they were turning people away.

起初，他们拒绝人们。

But the way Mississippi law works, the ban on abortion in the state wouldn't begin for at least another 10 days, which meant they had at least 10 days when they'd still be open and could perform abortions.

但根据密西西比州法律的运作方式，该州的堕胎禁令至少还要再过 10 天才能开始实施，这意味着他们至少有 10 天的时间仍然开放并可以进行堕胎。

Maisie Crow picks up the story from there.

麦茜·克劳从那里开始讲述这个故事。

The day Roe was overturned, remember, Shannon, the director, was in New Mexico trying to open the new clinic, Pink House West, and her sister Nita was running things in Mississippi.

请记住，罗伊案被推翻的那天，主任香农正在新墨西哥州试图开设新诊所“Pink House West”，而她的妹妹妮塔则在密西西比州经营业务。

Around 10:00 in the morning, they get on the phone with Shannon.

上午 10:00 左右，他们与香农通电话。

Everybody here now.

现在大家都在这里。

Shannon Brewer I'm trying to talk fast because I've got to talk a million people.

香农·布鲁尔（Shannon Brewer） 我试图说得快一些，因为我要和一百万人交谈。

Shannon tells them, we have a month of appointments booked right now.

香农告诉他们，我们现在已经预订了一个月的约会。

I want you to call every one of those patients who are scheduled and get them all to come in during the next 10 days.

我希望您给每一位预约的患者打电话，让他​​们在接下来的 10 天内全部来院。

Those are the ones that I want y'all to call.

我希望大家给这些人打电话。

And tell them what?

并告诉他们什么？

Shannon Brewer Tell them that the thing just went down and they're not going to be open that week.

香农·布鲁尔 (Shannon Brewer) 告诉他们事情刚刚发生了，他们那周不会营业。

Maybe they couldn't make any new appointments, but they could honor the ones they had.

也许他们无法做出任何新的任命，但他们可以尊重已有的任命。

They're not going to be open.

他们不会开放的。

OK, OK.

好的，好的。

First week of July.

七月的第一周。

OK.

好的。

OK, we got it.

好的，我们明白了。

OK, we fill it up.

好的，我们把它填满。

Maisie Crow They decide they'll stay open for extra hours, and they'll come in on days they're usually closed.

Maisie Crow 他们决定延长营业时间，并在通常不营业的日子进来。

Can Molly and Stephanie come in, because they was off tomorrow?

莫莉和斯蒂芬妮明天休息，可以进来吗？

We gonna need help.

我们需要帮助。

I'll come in.

我会进来的。

Nita Molly said she'll come in.

妮塔·莫莉说她会进来。

And then, everyone gets back on the phones, calls everyone with appointments on the books and asks, can you come in sooner?

然后，每个人都重新打电话，给每个人打电话，并询问，你能早点进来吗？

How about tomorrow?

明天怎么样？

How about Sunday?

周日怎么样？

12 and 2.

12和2。

Derenda Hancock OK.

德伦达·汉考克 好的。

So we got a whole day tomorrow.

所以我们明天有一整天的时间。

Basically.

基本上。

Nita A whole day.

妮塔 一整天。

Just keep going.

继续吧。

Yeah.

是的。

Maisie Crow By the end of the day, they'd rearranged more things, called in other doctors, and even found a way to start booking new patients again too.

Maisie Crow 到了一天结束的时候，他们重新安排了更多的事情，召集了其他医生，甚至找到了一种方法来重新开始预约新病人。

For the Pink House, which had for so long been uncloseable, this is what closing looks like, a fight.

对于长期以来一直无法关闭的粉红屋来说，这就是关闭的样子，一场战斗。

When you check out, the receptionist is going to give you this slip of paper.

当你退房时，接待员会给你这张纸条。

It's your appointment reminder slip.

这是您的预约提醒单。

It has your return date, return time--

上面有你的回程日期、回程时间——

For the rest of the day, patients are shown into treatment rooms as usual.

在当天剩下的时间里，患者照常被带入治疗室。

A doctor does the counseling session the state mandates with patients who come in for an abortion.

一名医生为前来堕胎的患者提供国家规定的咨询服务。

Glad you guys got in here OK.

很高兴你们能顺利来到这里。

I know you guys are here for an abortion.

我知道你们来这里是为了堕胎。

The state wants me to scare you guys and tell you there's a risk of breast cancer related to abortion.

国家想让我吓唬你们，告诉你们堕胎有患乳腺癌的风险。

There isn't.

没有。

So now I've told you.

所以现在我已经告诉你了。

You can forget it.

你可以忘记它。

[LAUGHTER] So there's a 24-hour law in Mississippi in terms of waiting.

[笑声] 所以密西西比州有 24 小时等待的法律。

I can't offer you anything today.

今天我不能给你任何东西。

I guess you're aware the Supreme Court overturned Roe versus Wade.

我想你知道最高法院推翻了罗伊诉韦德案。

So this clinic will be closing down very shortly.

所以这家诊所很快就会关闭。

I can take care of you guys tomorrow.

明天我可以照顾你们。

So if you're having the pill treatment, do not waste any time.

因此，如果您正在接受药物治疗，请不要浪费任何时间。

Come back tomorrow, OK?

明天再来，好吗？

If you need surgery, check with the front desk.

如果您需要手术，请咨询前台。

They'll tell you what your options are, OK?

他们会告诉你你的选择是什么，好吗？

Any questions, ladies?

女士们，有什么问题吗？

Nikki Lane singing a cover of "When My Morning Comes Around," which she recorded for us.

Nikki Lane 翻唱了她为我们录制的《When My Morning Comes around》。

Our program was produced today by Zoe Chace and Alix Spiegel and edited by Laura Starecheski.

今天我们的节目由 Zoe Chace 和 Alix Spiegel 制作，Laura Starecheski 编辑。

The people who put together today's show include Jane Ackerman, Elna Baker, Sean Cole, Michael Comite, Andrea López-Cruzado, Aviva DeKornfeld, Chana Joffe-Walt, Kyla Jones, Seth Lind, Tobin Low, Miki Meek, Michelle Navarro, Stowe Nelson, Nadia Reiman, Ryan Rumery, Alissa Shipp, Lilly Sullivan, Jessica Suriano, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.

今天节目的制作人包括 Jane Ackerman、Elna Baker、Sean Cole、Michael Comite、Andrea López-Cruzado、Aviva DeKornfeld、Chana Joffe-Walt、Kyla Jones、Seth Lind、Tobin Low、Miki Meek、Michelle Navarro、Stowe Nelson、Nadia Reiman、Ryan Rumery、Alissa Shipp、Lilly Sullivan、Jessica Suriano、克里斯托弗·斯维塔拉、马特·蒂尔尼、朱莉·惠特克和黛安·吴。

Our managing editor is Sara Abdurrahman.

我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sara Abdurrahman)。

Our senior editor is David Kestenbaum.

我们的高级编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。

Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.

我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。

Movie legend Carol Kane agreed to be the voice of our pill smuggler in Act 5 today.

电影传奇人物卡罗尔·凯恩今天同意在第五幕中为我们的药丸走私犯配音。

Maisie Crow's movie about abortion in Mississippi, which follows the Pink House and Shannon Brewer, is called Jackson.

麦茜·克劳 (Maisie Crow) 拍摄的关于密西西比州堕胎的电影《杰克逊》(Jackson) 紧随粉红屋 (Pink House) 和香农·布鲁尔 (Shannon Brewer) 的故事。

You can find it on HBO Max.

您可以在 HBO Max 上找到它。

Special thanks today to Mary Ziegler, Rebecca Curry, Andy Gipson, Clarke Forsythe, Elizabeth Nash, Diane Derzis, Javonne Brewer, Anna Wolfe, Larrison Campbell, Julie Lynn, Colleen McNichols, LaQuetta Cooper, Kawanna Shanon, Kelefa Sanneh, Jason Rosenbaum, Priska Neely, Mallory Carroll, Elisa Wells, Jill E.

今天特别感谢 Mary Ziegler、Rebecca Curry、Andy Gipson、Clarke Forsythe、Elizabeth Nash、Diane Derzis、Javonne Brewer、Anna Wolfe、Larrison Campbell、Julie Lynn、Colleen McNichols、LaQuetta Cooper、Kawanna Shanon、Kelefa Sanneh、Jason Rosenbaum、Priska Neely、Mallory Carroll、Elisa Wells、Jill E.

Adams, Pam Whitehead, Chloee Weiner, the National Abortion Federation Hotline, and Will Davis.

亚当斯、帕姆·怀特海德、克洛伊·韦纳、全国堕胎联合会热线和威尔·戴维斯。

Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org where you can find a link to the full Nikki Lane song you're hearing right now.

我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org 中您可以找到您现在听到的完整 Nikki Lane 歌曲的链接。

Also, you can stream our archive.

此外，您还可以流式传输我们的档案。

We have over 750 episodes for absolutely free.

我们有超过 750 集完全免费。

There's videos, lists of favorite shows, tons of other stuff there too.

那里还有视频、最喜欢的节目列表以及大量其他内容。

Again, ThisAmericanLife.org.

再次，ThisAmericanLife.org。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks as always to our program's co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

You know, he has squirrels at his house, in his garden, front yard, doesn't like them.

你知道，他的房子里、花园里、前院里都有松鼠，他不喜欢它们。

Gets kind of intense about it.

对此感到有点紧张。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

[MUSIC - NIKKI LANE, "WHEN MY MORNING COMES AROUND"]

[音乐 - 妮基·莱恩，“当我的早晨来临”]

This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。