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Prologue: Prologue Sean Cole From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言：序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Sean Cole，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Sean Cole sitting in for Ira Glass.
我是肖恩·科尔，代理艾拉·格拉斯。
This is not a story about bicycle theft.
这不是一个关于自行车盗窃的故事。
It's a story about a counterintuitive impulse exhibited by the human species in which a lot of bicycles happen to get stolen.
这是一个关于人类表现出的违反直觉的冲动的故事，其中许多自行车碰巧被盗。
The first bike belonged to a physical therapist named Carrie Helminger.
第一辆自行车属于一位名叫 Carrie Helminger 的物理治疗师。
This was in Seattle back in 2015.
这是2015年在西雅图的事。
She rode her bike to work like always, locked it up securely like always.
她像往常一样骑自行车去上班，像往常一样把车锁好。
And when she came down to get it at the end of the day, it was gone.
一天结束时，当她下来取东西时，它已经不见了。
She felt about this how you might imagine.
她对此的感受正如你所想象的那样。
Mad, you know?
疯了，你知道吗？
Like, why do you want my bike?
比如，你为什么想要我的自行车？
And now, how am I going to get home?
现在，我要怎么回家呢？
And it's late.
而且已经很晚了。
And I'm tired and just frustrated, and pissed, and all that.
我很累，很沮丧，很生气，等等。
The cops were remarkably responsive, came right away.
警察的反应非常灵敏，很快就赶到了。
They were also deeply pessimistic.
他们也非常悲观。
Said all the usual things-- you're not likely to get it back.
说了所有平常的话——你不可能把它拿回来。
We get reports like this all the time.
我们经常收到这样的报告。
There's really nothing we can do, unless something happens.
除非发生什么事情，否则我们真的无能为力。
Carrie wasn't sure what that meant, until something did happen.
嘉莉不确定这意味着什么，直到发生了一些事情。
She was at work the next day, tending to her physical therapy patients, only checking her phone now and then between appointments.
第二天她就去上班，照顾物理治疗的病人，只是在预约期间偶尔查看一下手机。
And I remember seeing this text from a number that I didn't know that just said something like, I may have found your bike.
我记得看到过一个我不认识的号码发来的短信，上面写的是“我可能找到了你的自行车”。
And I'm like, what?
我想，什么？
What do I do with that, you know?
我该怎么办，你知道吗？
I don't know who you are.
我不知道你是谁。
Is this a joke?
这是一个笑话吗？
Is this a scam?
这是骗局吗？
That was the thing that kept crossing my mind a lot, is, like, is this some weird scam?
这是我经常想到的事情，就像，这是一些奇怪的骗局吗？
Were you trying to mathematically figure in your head how the scam might have worked, if it was a scam?
如果这是一个骗局，您是否试图在头脑中用数学计算出这个骗局可能是如何运作的？
I mean, I don't know how they would know it was me.
我的意思是，我不知道他们怎么知道是我。
So this is the thing that I kept trying to figure out.
所以这就是我一直想弄清楚的事情。
Like, would they steal my bike, and then know it's me, and then ask me for money?
比如，他们会偷我的自行车，然后知道是我，然后向我要钱吗？
And then they'd make money on it.
然后他们就能从中赚钱。
And they'd give me my bike back, and they've got $100 more or something?
他们会把我的自行车还给我，而且他们还多了 100 美元什么的？
Which Carrie says that would have been fine with her.
嘉莉说这对她来说没什么问题。
It's better than having no bike.
这比没有自行车好。
Anyway, she didn't know how to respond.
无论如何，她都不知道该怎么回答。
Put the phone down, examined more hips and shoulders and knees, came back to another text.
放下电话，检查了更多的臀部、肩膀和膝盖，然后又回到另一条短信。
That said, was your bike stolen?
也就是说，你的自行车被偷了吗？
I think I may have found it on Craigslist.
我想我可能在 Craigslist 上找到了它。
And so I'm like, OK.
所以我想，好吧。
So this is the same guy.
所以这是同一个人。
More questions.
更多问题。
And so I'm like, yes, it was stolen.
所以我想，是的，它被偷了。
Who are you?
你是谁？
And then I think at that point, he probably responded and said, I was looking for a bike for my wife.
然后我想在那一点上，他可能会回答说，我正在为我的妻子寻找一辆自行车。
I was looking for a bike for my wife, and this ad came up on Craigslist-- real questionable.
我正在为我的妻子寻找一辆自行车，这则广告出现在 Craigslist 上——确实值得怀疑。
This is the guy who was texting.
这就是发短信的那个人。
Dirk deGroot, works in marine construction, big cyclist himself.
德克·德格鲁特 (Dirk deGroot) 从事海洋建筑工作，本人也是一名自行车手。
By questionable, he means the ad was poorly written and listed the bike for way less than it should have cost.
他所说的“可疑”是指广告写得不好，并且列出的自行车价格远低于应有的价格。
A couple of blurry pictures taken at night.
晚上拍的几张模糊的照片。
And you're thinking, who the hell takes pictures at night?
你可能会想，到底是谁在晚上拍照？
So I did some googling, and I found Bike Index.
所以我做了一些谷歌搜索，找到了 Bike Index。
It's a site where people can register their bikes and report them stolen, as Carrie had done.
在这个网站上，人们可以登记自己的自行车并报告自行车被盗，就像嘉莉所做的那样。
He said, I saw that you posted it on Bike Index.
他说，我看到你把它发布在自行车索引上。
And so I'm like, ah, this is starting to sound a little bit more legit.
所以我想，啊，这听起来开始有点合法了。
But I still have no idea who he is.
但我还是不知道他是谁。
I think we spoke probably around my lunch break.
我想我们可能是在午休时间聊过。
And he told me that he was maybe going to go get the bike.
他告诉我他可能要去拿自行车。
And I was like, what?
我当时想，什么？
And he was like, yeah.
他说，是的。
I remember him saying at one point, yeah, I'm kind of jazzed about this.
我记得他有一次说过，是的，我对此感到很兴奋。
I'm getting a little adrenaline high from this.
我对此感到有点肾上腺素升高。
And part of me is like, great, that solves that problem, if he wants to do that.
我心里想，太好了，如果他愿意的话，这就能解决这个问题。
But are you nuts?
但你疯了吗？
Why do you want to do that?
你为什么要这么做？
And be careful.
并且要小心。
That would be the scariest thing for me.
这对我来说将是最可怕的事情。
There's no way I would ever do that.
我绝对不会这么做。
Dirk did do it, arranged to meet the guy selling the bike.
德克确实做到了，并安排与卖自行车的人见面。
Except when he got to the appointed spot, unexpectedly, it was three guys, two more than him.
只是当他到达指定地点时，没想到是三个家伙，比他多了两个。
He gives the bike a once over, careful to check out the serial number, which he'd gotten from Carrie.
他检查了一遍自行车，仔细检查了他从嘉莉那里得到的序列号。
And sure enough, it's hers.
果然，这是她的。
At this point, I had no idea what I was doing.
此时，我不知道自己在做什么。
I was like, oh, fuck.
我当时想，哦，操。
Shit.
拉屎。
[LAUGHS] OK, I've got this piece of paper in my hand with the serial number, and I'm looking at these three guys.
[笑]好吧，我手里拿着这张带有序列号的纸，我正在看着这三个人。
And I'm holding an allen key, and I'm like, oh, God.
我拿着一把内六角钥匙，我想，哦，上帝。
So he takes out his phone, kind of subtly dials 911, and the call won't go through.
于是他拿出手机，巧妙地拨打了911，但电话无法接通。
No signal.
无信号。
So I lied, and I was like, yeah, well, that was the cops, guys.
所以我撒了谎，然后我就想，是的，好吧，那是警察，伙计们。
They're on their way.
他们正在路上。
And as if there were ever any doubt as to the provenance of the bike, one of the guys, at the very mention of the police, just takes off running.
就好像对这辆自行车的来源有任何疑问一样，其中一个人一提到警察，就开始跑步。
So he scoots off.
于是他就溜走了。
And there's two guys, and they're both sitting there, a little agitated.
有两个人，他们都坐在那里，有点焦躁。
They don't know if I'm lying.
他们不知道我是否在撒谎。
And Seattle's pretty steep, so I'm thinking, maybe I could Sparta kick one of these guys down the hill.
西雅图非常陡峭，所以我在想，也许我可以斯巴达把其中一个人踢下山。
Sparta kick.
斯巴达踢。
Dirk deGroot I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do with the other one.
德克·德格鲁特 我当时想，我不知道我要拿另一个做什么。
I'm tall, but I've had my ass kicked so many times.
我很高，但我的屁股被踢了很多次。
My friends will tell you, I'm not a very good fighter.
我的朋友会告诉你，我不是一个很好的战士。
And then, after several long moments with the three of them just kind of staring at each other, as though bidding farewell to a couple of drinking buddies for the evening, Dirk says--
然后，在他们三人互相凝视了很长一段时间后，德克说——好像在告别晚上的几个酒友——
Well, guys, we're in kind of a stalemate.
好吧，伙计们，我们陷入了僵局。
I'm just going to take it.
我只是要接受它。
Threw the bike in the back of my truck.
把自行车扔到我的卡车后面。
And then calls.
然后打电话。
It's your bike.
这是你的自行车。
I have it.
我有。
Where should I meet you?
我应该去哪里见你？
And I'm like, what?
我想，什么？
I just was so excited.
我只是太兴奋了。
He pulls up, then he pulls my bike out.
他停下来，然后把我的自行车拉了出来。
And I'm, that's my bike.
我，那是我的自行车。
And he's like, here you go.
他说，给你。
(LAUGHS) It's like, can I pay you?
（笑）就像，我可以付钱给你吗？
What do you want?
你想要什么？
He's like, no, you don't need to pay me.
他说，不，你不需要付钱给我。
It's fine.
没关系。
I mean, it just was really crazy to me that the night before, I'm heartbroken.
我的意思是，前一天晚上我心碎了，这对我来说真的很疯狂。
My bike is stolen.
我的自行车被偷了。
And the next night, I can ride my bike home already.
第二天晚上，我就可以骑自行车回家了。
It just felt weird.
只是感觉很奇怪。
Which brings me to what the story is about-- the fact that Dirk's actions, while seeming to come totally natural to him, made no sense from the outside, even to the person who directly benefited from those actions.
这让我想到了这个故事的内容——事实上，德克的行为虽然对他来说似乎是完全自然的，但从外部来看却毫无意义，即使对于直接从这些行为中受益的人来说也是如此。
Carrie's brain could not stop trying to make sense of it, even as she rode away that night.
即使那天晚上嘉莉骑马离开时，她的大脑仍无法停止试图理解它。
You just did this huge, amazing thing for me that was incredibly kind, and I'm still very cautious of who you are.
你刚刚为我做了一件巨大而令人惊奇的事情，这非常友善，但我仍然对你是谁非常谨慎。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Maybe that speaks more of me and the cautious nature, or I don't know [INAUDIBLE].
也许这更多地说明了我和谨慎的本性，或者我不知道[听不清]。
Yes.
是的。
Would somebody really do this?
真的有人会这样做吗？
Would they go steal my bike back for me, and then bring it to me?
他们会帮我偷回我的自行车，然后把它带给我吗？
Why would somebody do this?
为什么有人要这样做？
Why--
为什么——
But there wasn't.
但没有。
Dirk just does stuff like this-- like if he's driving, and he sees a cyclist with a flat tire.
德克就会做这样的事情——就像他在开车时，看到一个轮胎瘪了的骑自行车的人。
I'm the idiot that stops on the side of the road.
我就是那个停在路边的白痴。
I'm like, do you need any help?
我想，你需要什么帮助吗？
And the guy's like, fuck off.
那家伙就像，滚蛋。
No, weirdo.
不，怪人。
OK, well, let me know.
好的，好吧，请告诉我。
He likes helping people.
他喜欢帮助人。
He can still picture how happy Carrie looked when he dropped the bike off.
他仍然可以想象当他放下自行车时嘉莉有多高兴。
She was just fucking, I mean, stoked-- absolutely elated.
她只是他妈的，我的意思是，兴奋——绝对高兴。
And seeing all this emotion on her face-- I'm not a very emotional guy, but I mean, I felt just a deep sense of accomplishment.
看到她脸上的所有这些情感——我不是一个非常情绪化的人，但我的意思是，我感到一种深深的成就感。
And it felt just so good.
感觉真好。
That was a very specific feeling, you know?
那是一种非常具体的感觉，你知道吗？
It's the same feeling I now get when I come home from being gone for work for a week, and my son jumps down the stairs to hug me.
当我下班一周回到家时，我的儿子跳下楼梯拥抱我时，我也有同样的感觉。
It's like, oh, wow, this is great, you know?
就像，哦，哇，这太棒了，你知道吗？
I love this so much.
我非常喜欢这个。
It sounds like you're describing appreciation.
听起来你在描述欣赏。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, I guess that-- hmm.
是的，我想是——嗯。
That very well could be, you know?
很可能是这样，你知道吗？
Just feeling appreciated might have been the trigger.
只是感到被欣赏可能就是触发因素。
The trigger to make you want to keep doing it?
是什么让你想继续做下去？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, the trigger to make me want to keep doing that.
是的，这是让我想继续这样做的触发器。
And he did keep doing it.
他确实一直这样做。
Before too long, he recovered a bike for a guy from Colorado, who had just moved to town.
不久之后，他为一个刚搬到城里的科罗拉多州人找回了一辆自行车。
Like Carrie, the guy was very grateful to have his bike back.
和嘉莉一样，这个家伙非常感激能拿回自行车。
Then there was the college student who bought Dirk a six-pack of IPA after he rescued her bike for her.
还有一位大学生，在德克救回了她的自行车后，给她买了六罐IPA。
Dirk doesn't really drink beer, though.
不过，德克并不真正喝啤酒。
The systems administrator who mailed him an envelope of cash, which wasn't even the nicest part of it for Dirk.
系统管理员给他寄了一个现金信封，这对德克来说甚至不是最好的部分。
I had his thank you card on my wall for my office for a long time.
我在办公室的墙上挂了很长一段时间他的感谢卡。
His methods were pretty consistent-- always started with obsessively scrolling sites like Craigslist and OfferUp to see what bikes were for sale, and then cross-referencing those against the stolen bikes on Bike Index.
他的方法非常一致——总是从痴迷地滚动 Craigslist 和 OfferUp 等网站开始，看看有哪些自行车在出售，然后将这些自行车与自行车索引上被盗的自行车进行交叉引用。
Then he'd message the person selling the stolen bike and say he's interested in buying it.
然后他会给出售被盗自行车的人发消息，说他有兴趣购买它。
Sometimes, he'd give the cops a heads up and have them waiting nearby to swoop in at just the right moment.
有时，他会提醒警察，让他们在附近等待，以便在适当的时候突然袭击。
Other times, he just confidently and with an almost eerie calm say something like--
其他时候，他只是自信地、带着一种近乎诡异的平静说一些类似的话——
Hey, I'm not accusing you of stealing this bike, I just know it's stolen.
嘿，我不是指责你偷这辆自行车，我只是知道它被偷了。
You may have stolen it-- don't care.
你可能偷了它——没关系。
And they would typically scoot off.
他们通常会溜走。
It took him 10 recoveries before he really felt like he knew what he was doing.
他花了十次才恢复过来，才真正感觉到自己知道自己在做什么。
After the 20th one, a Seattle police detective who specialized in property crime gave Dirk his direct line, told him to always call and arrange for backup ahead of time.
20号之后，一位专门负责财产犯罪的西雅图警探给德克打了直线电话，告诉他一定要提前打电话安排支援。
That sting, the 20th one, was significant in a lot of ways, actually.
事实上，那次刺痛，也就是第 20 次，在很多方面都很重要。
It wasn't just a bike theft, it was a home invasion.
这不仅仅是一起自行车盗窃案，更是一起入室盗窃案。
The thieves grabbed everything they could get their hands on.
小偷们抢走了他们能拿到的所有东西。
Dirk essentially cracked that case.
德克基本上破获了这个案子。
One of the officers on duty that night looked at Dirk and asked him the perennial question.
那天晚上，一名值班警官看着德克，问了他这个老生常谈的问题。
Like, why in the hell are you doing this?
就像，你到底为什么要这样做？
I was like, ah, it just feels really good to help these people.
我当时想，啊，帮助这些人感觉真的很好。
And he's like, oh, that's so interesting.
他说，哦，这太有趣了。
You're like Robinhood.
你就像罗宾汉一样。
He goes, no, Robinhood robs from the rich and gives to the poor.
他说，不，罗宾汉从富人那里抢劫，然后向穷人施舍。
I guess you're like Batman.
我猜你就像蝙蝠侠。
And that was it.
就是这样。
I mean, that was it.
我的意思是，就是这样。
And they're like, oh, Bike Batman.
他们就像，哦，自行车蝙蝠侠。
I mean, it was sticky enough that it stuck.
我的意思是，它足够粘，以至于粘住了。
In fact, people are calling him Seattle's Bike Batman.
事实上，人们称他为西雅图的自行车蝙蝠侠。
Bike Repo Batman on roll against thieves.
自行车回购蝙蝠侠正在对抗小偷。
I'm Batman.
我是蝙蝠侠。
Reporter 3 The Bike Batman here in Seattle.
记者 3 西雅图的自行车蝙蝠侠。
And I think Brian Hansen--
我认为布莱恩·汉森——
The Seattle Times broke the story, followed by local TV and radio outlets, other newspapers and magazines.
《西雅图时报》报道了这一消息，当地电视台、广播电台、其他报纸和杂志也纷纷跟进。
In all of the accounts, Dirk stayed anonymous.
在所有的记述中，德克都保持匿名。
He only decided to unmask himself for this story, because he's not doing it anymore.
他只是决定为了这个故事揭开自己的面具，因为他不再这样做了。
He says he just hasn't had time for anything since his kids came along.
他说，自从孩子们出生以来，他就没有时间做任何事情。
But the newsworthiness of it was that someone would go so very far out of his way to retrieve property that wasn't his for people he didn't know.
但它的新闻价值在于，有人会不遗余力地为他不认识的人取回不属于他的财产。
It was like the whole world had the same reaction as Carrie Helminger, the first person Dirk helped, who was mentioned in one of the magazine pieces.
就好像整个世界都做出了与德克帮助的第一个人凯莉·赫尔明格（Carrie Helminger）相同的反应，其中一篇杂志文章中提到了她。
I had to laugh because in the article, he writes, I think she thought I was a weirdo.
我不得不笑，因为在文章中，他写道，我认为她认为我是个怪人。
And I'm like, uh-huh.
我就像，嗯。
Yup.
是的。
Definitely, I thought you were a weirdo.
确实，我以为你是个怪人。
Of course, the whole thing seems a lot less weird if you're Dirk deGroot.
当然，如果你是德克·德格鲁特，那么整件事似乎就不那么奇怪了。
From his perspective, he figured out how to solve this problem.
从他的角度来看，他想到了如何解决这个问题。
And once he figured it out, he couldn't not solve it, because no one else was doing it.
一旦他弄清楚了，他就无法解决它，因为没有其他人这样做。
He was like, somebody's got to do it.
他说，必须有人来做这件事。
I kind of knew what to do.
我有点知道该怎么做了。
And it was hard for people to-- people just didn't know.
人们很难——人们只是不知道。
Do you know what to do if you find your bike stolen on Craigslist?
如果您发现您的自行车在 Craigslist 上被盗，您知道该怎么办吗？
I actually can't think of a better way to spend your time on this planet than to identify something that's vexing someone else, or a lot of someone else's, and to put yourself into that gap between them and the solution.
事实上，我想不出更好的方式来度过你在这个星球上的时间，而不是找出那些让别人或很多人烦恼的事情，然后让自己陷入它们和解决方案之间的差距。
So today on our show, we're going to tell you about some remarkable people who do that, and why they do it, and how it goes, or doesn't go, for them.
因此，今天在我们的节目中，我们将向您介绍一些这样做的杰出人士，以及他们为什么这样做，以及他们的做法如何进行或不进行。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
There's this image that's really stuck with a lot of us here at the show.
在展会上，我们很多人都对这张照片印象深刻。
You might have seen it.
你可能已经看到了。
It's a photo of strollers, baby strollers, at a train station in Poland.
这是一张婴儿车的照片，婴儿车，在波兰的一个火车站。
In short, these Polish moms, anticipating a problem that Ukrainian refugee mothers might have when they cross the border clutching their little kids, started leaving strollers for them at different points of entry.
简而言之，这些波兰妈妈们预见到乌克兰难民母亲在抱着孩子过境时可能会遇到的问题，开始在不同的入境点为她们留下婴儿车。
In the photo, they're all lined up on the train platform-- some fancy, some not, some new, some with worn tires.
照片中，它们都排列在火车站台上——有的很漂亮，有的很普通，有的很新，有的轮胎已经磨损。
Each one, a Polish family thinking about what could possibly be helpful when everything else is falling apart and providing it.
每个波兰家庭都在思考当其他一切都崩溃时可能会有所帮助并提供帮助。
Another problem that war has yielded, you've probably heard, is the lack of access in Russia to real accurate information about what's going on, the brutality of the war.
您可能听说过，战争带来的另一个问题是俄罗斯无法获得有关正在发生的事情和战争残酷性的真实准确信息。
Essentially, the Russian propaganda bubble tamping down on public opposition, which is what Act One of today's show is about.
从本质上讲，俄罗斯的宣传泡沫压制了公众的反对，这就是今天节目第一幕的内容。
And it's about someone on a personal mission to solve that problem.
这是关于一个肩负解决这个问题的个人使命的人。
We're calling this act, "Cold Call to Action." It's from producer Alix Spiegel.
我们将此行为称为“冷号行动”。这是制片人阿利克斯·斯皮格尔的作品。
Paulius Senuta spent the first 13 years of his life in the USSR, so he knows how complicated it can be to live in a world with limited information.
Paulius Senuta 在苏联度过了人生的前 13 年，因此他知道生活在一个信息有限的世界中是多么复杂。
This was Lithuania in the '80s.
这是八十年代的立陶宛。
And what Paulius remembers about living in that world is the distrust and the haziness.
保利乌斯对生活在那个世界的记忆是不信任和朦胧。
You had your suspicions, a creeping sense that there was something off about the news you were hearing, but there was no way to know for sure.
你有怀疑，有一种毛骨悚然的感觉，你听到的消息有些不对劲，但没有办法确定。
And no one around you knew either.
而且你周围的人也不知道。
So after Putin invaded Ukraine, Paulius reached out to friends in Russia to talk about the war.
因此，在普京入侵乌克兰后，保利乌斯联系了俄罗斯的朋友，谈论了这场战争。
These were educated people, well-read people.
这些人都是受过教育、博览群书的人。
But the Russian version of what was happening made his blood run cold.
但俄罗斯版的所发生的事情却让他浑身发冷。
The story they'd heard was that Russia was just trying to help with the genocide.
他们听到的故事是俄罗斯只是想帮助种族灭绝。
There was genocide of Russian people going on all the time, and so we need to take out the government.
对俄罗斯人民的种族灭绝一直在发生，所以我们需要推翻政府。
If we will not do that, they are going to go on killing Russian people in there.
如果我们不这样做，他们将继续杀害那里的俄罗斯人。
So we have this neat, tiny operation, military operation, going on there.
所以我们在那里进行了这种整洁、微小的军事行动。
We're just taking out the government.
我们只是要推翻政府。
In the world Russians knew, there were no pregnant mothers dying on gurneys, no leveled cities, no dead civilians at all.
在俄罗斯人所知的世界里，没有孕妇死于轮床上，没有被夷为平地的城市，也没有死亡的平民。
Some of them tell me stories about Russians bringing in food and clothing for Ukrainians.
他们中的一些人给我讲述了俄罗斯人为乌克兰人带来食物和衣服的故事。
It was a whole parallel universe of information, constructed and policed by Putin.
这是一个完整的平行信息宇宙，由普京构建和监管。
Paulius believes the foundations of that universe are more fragile than they look, that if the Russian people could really see, know what was happening in their name, Putin's Potemkin village might crumble.
保利乌斯认为，这个宇宙的基础比看起来更脆弱，如果俄罗斯人民真的能够看到、知道以他们的名义发生的事情，普京的波将金村可能会崩溃。
Someone needed to do something, so Russians could understand the real horror of the war they were fighting.
需要有人做点什么，让俄罗斯人能够了解他们所进行的战争的真正恐怖。
And then one day, Paulius was sitting in a meeting, and his phone began to buzz.
有一天，保利乌斯正在开会，他的手机突然响起。
It was a friend calling to say that he had an idea about how they might solve this "Russians don't know about the war" problem.
一位朋友打电话来说，他对如何解决“俄罗斯人不了解战争”的问题有一个想法。
Says, you know, Paulius, what's funny about Russia?
保利乌斯说，你知道，俄罗斯有什么有趣的吗？
I say, I don't know.
我说，我不知道。
There's nothing funny about Russia to me.
对我来说，俄罗斯没有什么好笑的。
And he says, they got their phone numbers public.
他说，他们的电话号码是公开的。
So you just go online, and you can get a hold of those numbers, so we can call them.
因此，您只需上网即可获取这些号码，以便我们可以致电给他们。
As they talked, the two began to piece together a plan.
一边说着，两人一边开始制定计划。
What if they built a website where you pushed a button and got the name and telephone number of someone somewhere in Russia?
如果他们建立了一个网站，您只需按一下按钮即可获得俄罗斯某地某人的姓名和电话号码，结果会怎样？
Russian speakers from outside Putin's sealed universe could call in, tell Russian people, one by one, person to person, all about what was going on.
来自普京封闭宇宙之外的讲俄语的人可以打电话给俄罗斯人民，一个接一个、一对一地告诉俄罗斯人民正在发生的一切。
Paulius works in advertising.
保利乌斯从事广告工作。
He spent his life trying to convince people to do something they do not currently feel a need to do.
他一生都在努力说服人们去做他们目前认为不需要做的事情。
So he knew that hearing an authentic human voice making a passionate case can be a very powerful way to alter someone's behavior.
所以他知道，听到真实的人的声音提出充满激情的案例可能是改变某人行为的一种非常有效的方式。
Human authenticity has a lot of power in itself.
人类的真实性本身就具有很大的力量。
Just the way it is.
就是这样。
Hearing it from a person who's genuine is much more persuasive than reading it on the BBC News.
从一个真诚的人那里听到的比在 BBC 新闻上读到的更有说服力。
It's much more likely to get through.
这样通过的可能性就大得多。
Still, Paulius wasn't sure that this was a good idea.
不过，保利乌斯不确定这是否是一个好主意。
So many Russian speakers outside the country were really angry.
国外很多讲俄语的人真的很生气。
He worried he'd just be creating a tool for people to shout at each other.
他担心他只是在创造一个让人们互相吼叫的工具。
Paulius himself was struggling with his feelings about the Russian people.
保利乌斯本人也因对俄罗斯人民的感情而挣扎。
Do you see them as victims, or do you see them as complicit?
你认为他们是受害者，还是同谋？
Oh, it's so difficult to distinguish those two things.
哦，区分这两件事真是太难了。
It's so difficult to distinguish those two things.
区分这两件事非常困难。
I'm trying to put all the sympathy I have into this.
我试图将我所有的同情投入其中。
Is it coming from the fact that I think that's going to create a bridge, and I'm cynical?
是不是因为我认为这会建立一座桥梁，而我却很愤世嫉俗？
Or do I truly have sympathy?
还是我真的有同情心？
Paulius didn't have a clear answer.
保利乌斯没有给出明确的答案。
What he knew was that the scheme had at least the potential to help shift the tide, so he put his doubts aside and decided to go forward.
他知道该计划至少有可能帮助扭转局势，因此他放下疑虑并决定继续前进。
Look, Paulius, you can come up with all problems you want.
听着，保利乌斯，你可以想出所有你想要的问题。
You can make up problems that don't exist.
你可以编造不存在的问题。
But if you don't do anything, nothing will happen.
但如果你什么都不做，什么也不会发生。
Paulius says that he and his colleagues worked around the clock for five days until the website, Call Russia, went live about a week and a half into the war.
保利乌斯说，他和他的同事昼夜不停地工作了五天，直到“呼叫俄罗斯”网站在战争开始大约一周半后上线。
The landing page featured a large yellow button, which randomly generated Russian telephone numbers.
登陆页面有一个黄色的大按钮，可以随机生成俄罗斯电话号码。
And the site was an immediate hit.
该网站立即受到欢迎。
Paulius says they logged 32,000 calls in the first two days.
Paulius 表示，前两天他们接到了 32,000 个电话。
Still, it wasn't until late on launch day that Paulius himself was able to sit down and try out this idea.
尽管如此，直到发布当天晚些时候，保利乌斯本人才坐下来尝试这个想法。
He pressed the yellow button, then called the number that appeared on his screen.
他按下黄色按钮，然后拨打屏幕上出现的号码。
The phone was answered by a man.
接电话的是一名男子。
I told him who I am, and he started shouting immediately.
我告诉他我是谁，他立即开始大喊大叫。
And I said, I don't wish anything wrong.
我说，我不希望出现任何问题。
I'm just an ordinary person trying to connect to people in Russia.
我只是一个试图与俄罗斯人建立联系的普通人。
And I said, do you know what is happening there?
我说，你知道那里发生了什么吗？
And he shouted at me.
他对我大喊大叫。
I remember that very vividly.
我记得非常清楚。
He shouted at me.
他对我大喊。
They are killing us there, and we're trying to save them.
他们在那里杀死我们，而我们正在努力拯救他们。
And he said-- he cursed at me and he hang up the phone.
他说——他咒骂我，然后挂断了电话。
So that was my first conversation.
这就是我的第一次谈话。
A few calls later, Paulius heard the voice of a woman.
打了几个电话后，保利乌斯听到了一个女人的声音。
What I find on calls, most of women will talk humanly to me.
我在电话中发现，大多数女性都会以人性化的方式与我交谈。
But that lady, she was-- so that lady yelled at me, like, I don't know, probably seven minutes.
但是那位女士，她——所以那位女士对我大喊大叫，我不知道，大概七分钟。
And she was saying, do you know who I am?
她说，你知道我是谁吗？
I'm saying, of course, I don't.
我是说，当然，我不这么认为。
I don't have a clue.
我不知道。
I don't know which city I'm calling.
我不知道我要给哪个城市打电话。
Could you tell me, please?
你能告诉我吗？
And she was-- I'm the daughter of Putin.
她是——我是普京的女儿。
(GASPS) Paulis Senota And now, I'm inviting my father to take care of you.
（喘息）Paulis Senota 现在，我邀请我父亲来照顾你。
Now I know she's not-- well, I guess she's not the daughter of Putin, OK?
现在我知道她不是——好吧，我想她不是普京的女儿，好吗？
It can't be that coincidence, right?
这不可能是巧合吧？
It can't.
不可以。
But she started, like, playing her joke around.
但她开始开起了玩笑。
She's like, Daddy!
她就像，爸爸！
There's a Lithuanian who wants to find about the war.
有一个立陶宛人想要了解有关战争的信息。
And I was saying, madame, why are you doing that?
我说，女士，你为什么这么做？
I truly and genuinely want to talk with you about what is happening in Ukraine.
我真诚地想和你们谈谈乌克兰正在发生的事情。
Can you tell me what you know about it?
你能告诉我你对此了解多少吗？
And she was like, Daddy!
她说，爸爸！
Paulius says that many of the calls have been like those-- unreceptive, hostile.
保利乌斯说，许多电话都是这样的——不受欢迎、充满敌意。
But then, every once in a while, there's a different kind of call, like the man who answered the phone and, at first, seemed quite friendly.
但每隔一段时间，就会接到不同类型的电话，就像接电话的那个人，一开始看起来很友好。
Soft-spoken, polite.
说话轻声细语，有礼貌。
And I would just introduce myself.
我只想介绍一下我自己。
I told what I'm doing and what I want to talk about.
我讲述了我在做什么以及我想谈什么。
And he kept going with me, nicely.
他一直和我一起走下去，相处得很好。
But at the moment he understood what it is about, he shut up.
但当他明白这是什么意思的时候，他就闭嘴了。
But I could feel he is there.
但我能感觉到他就在那里。
So Paulius went forward, told the man about the war.
于是保利乌斯向前走去，向那个人讲述了战争的情况。
All the terrors that Paulius had seen on TV poured out of him.
保利乌斯在电视上看到的所有恐怖都从他身上倾泻而出。
So he didn't speak.
所以他没有说话。
I was saying those things for probably four or five minutes.
我大概说了这些话四五分钟。
He wasn't talking a word.
他没有说话。
And when I finished, interestingly, he said goodbye.
有趣的是，当我结束时，他就说再见了。
It touched me.
它触动了我。
He felt he needed to say goodbye, which is such a polite thing to do, so.
他觉得他需要说再见，这是一件很有礼貌的事情，所以。
You hear a person breathing, but most probably something that you hear very clearly is fear.
你听到一个人的呼吸声，但很可能你听到的很清楚的是恐惧。
So I was shocked that fear has a sound.
所以我很震惊恐惧竟然有声音。
I can't tell you what's the sound of fear, but you can hear that.
我无法告诉你恐惧的声音是什么，但你可以听到。
Busy.
忙碌的。
Alix Spiegel The day we spoke, I watched Paulius make a bunch of calls to strangers in different parts of Russia.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 在我们谈话的那天，我看到保利乌斯给俄罗斯不同地区的陌生人打了很多电话。
What struck me was the tedium.
让我印象深刻的是单调乏味。
It felt like very bizarre geopolitical telemarketing.
这感觉就像非常奇怪的地缘政治电话营销。
Wrong number.
号码错误。
Alix Spiegel There were a lot of dead-ends.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 (Alix Spiegel) 有很多死胡同。
Voicemail.
语音信箱。
Alix Spiegel But every once in a while, Paulius got through.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 但每隔一段时间，保利乌斯就会打通电话。
[SPEAKING RUSSIAN] Paulius Senuta [SPEAKING RUSSIAN]
[俄语] Paulius Senuta [俄语]
[SPEAKING RUSSIAN] Paulius Senuta [SPEAKING RUSSIAN]
[俄语] Paulius Senuta [俄语]
So he hang up the phone.
于是他挂了电话。
He says he knows everything.
他说他什么都知道。
OK, so that wasn't a good call.
好吧，所以这不是一个好的决定。
Paulius makes calls like these several times a week.
保利乌斯每周都会打几次这样的电话。
He spends hours on the phone.
他花几个小时打电话。
Sometimes, he gets people like the quiet man, listeners who connect.
有时，他会吸引像安静的人这样的人，善于交流的听众。
But mostly, Paulius says, people are screaming.
但保利乌斯说，大多数情况下，人们都在尖叫。
And oddly, he thinks that those calls are the best.
奇怪的是，他认为这些电话是最好的。
To me, screaming people are actually the ones that we need to talk to.
对我来说，尖叫的人实际上是我们需要交谈的人。
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
Paulius Senuta Because these are the supporters of what is going on.
Paulius Senuta 因为这些人是正在发生的事情的支持者。
And you know, it's pleasing and nice for me to have that nice conversation with the other person that I had with several people.
你知道，与我与几个人进行的愉快交谈对我来说是令人愉快和美好的。
It's so nice to have that conversation with those people, but the goal is not about having a nice conversation, right?
与这些人进行对话真是太好了，但目标不是进行愉快的对话，对吗？
It's about some of the people that are persuaded that they're doing a good thing in Ukraine to understand that they're not doing a good thing in Ukraine.
一些人自以为自己在乌克兰做了一件好事，但后来却发现自己并没有在乌克兰做一件好事。
Paulius is realistic about what this approach will accomplish.
保利乌斯对这种方法将实现的目标持现实态度。
He says about 75% of the Russian population supports Putin, and those people aren't going to suddenly take to the streets.
他说，大约 75% 的俄罗斯人口支持普京，这些人不会突然走上街头。
But he figures he might nudge them a little so that, when they see their neighbors protesting, instead of reaching out to the police to let them know, they might pause, ask themselves if that's really the best thing to do.
但他认为他可能会稍微推动他们，这样，当他们看到邻居抗议时，他们可能会停下来，问自己这是否真的是最好的做法，而不是向警察求助。
That's why even when someone is yelling, Paulius tries to persevere.
这就是为什么即使有人大喊大叫，保利乌斯也会努力坚持下去。
Emotionally, how hard is it for you to withstand the screaming?
在情感上，你承受尖叫有多难？
Oh, it's super hard.
哦，这太难了。
No, it is very hard.
不，这很难。
It is-- oh, my gosh.
这是——哦，天哪。
I don't know how to-- I mean, you really travel somewhere.
我不知道如何——我的意思是，你真的去某个地方旅行了。
You're in a different world.
你在一个不同的世界。
Do you ever feel like it's not worth it, and you can't do it more?
你是否曾经觉得这不值得，而且你不能做得更多？
[EMOTIONAL] No. No, I-- they-- there's people who are going, fighting in Ukraine.
[情绪化] 不，不，我——他们——有人要去乌克兰作战。
There's people who's dying here.
这里有人正在死去。
People are killed daily.
每天都有人被杀。
There's like 10 people killed today in the bread line, standing in the bread line.
今天有大约 10 个人在排队领取面包的队伍中被杀。
[CRYING] How we cannot do a fucking call?
[哭]我们他妈怎么就不能打电话了？
Yeah.
是的。
Paulius told me he'd never know for sure whether anything he was doing made even a whit of difference.
保利乌斯告诉我，他永远无法确定他所做的任何事情是否会带来哪怕一丁点的改变。
But even if these calls were a drop of water for a forest fire, Paulius still thought it was important to try.
但即使这些呼吁对森林火灾来说只是一滴水，保利乌斯仍然认为尝试很重要。
Most of the things people are doing, most probably will have very little or no impact at all.
人们所做的大多数事情很可能只会产生很小的影响或根本没有影响。
The other day, I was doing flowers together, paper flowers together with Ukrainian children.
有一天，我和乌克兰孩子一起做花，纸花。
Does doing flowers with Ukrainian children will stop the war in Russia-- in Ukraine?
与乌克兰儿童一起献花会阻止俄罗斯和乌克兰的战争吗？
Sorry.
对不起。
Most probably not.
很可能不会。
But that sense of people coming together and explicitly trying to do something, even if that's futile, it makes us, all of us, stronger.
但是，人们聚集在一起并明确尝试做某事的感觉，即使这是徒劳的，也会让我们所有人变得更强大。
Paulius says, since the website launched, they've been tracking the countries where people were calling from.
保利厄斯说，自从该网站推出以来，他们一直在跟踪人们拨打电话的国家/地区。
He told me that, at first, calls were mostly from where he was-- Lithuania.
他告诉我，一开始，电话大多来自他所在的地方——立陶宛。
But soon, he and his colleagues noticed it was spreading, the idea hopping from one country to the next, until they saw that Russian speakers from all over the world were reaching out to the people inside Putin's bubble.
但很快，他和他的同事注意到这种想法正在传播，这种想法从一个国家传播到另一个国家，直到他们看到来自世界各地的俄语人士正在向普京泡沫内的人们伸出援手。
They'd seen the same problem Paulius did, and they were all trying their best to solve it with him.
他们也看到了保利乌斯遇到的同样的问题，并且都尽力与他一起解决这个问题。
Alix Spiegel is one of the producers of our show.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔是我们节目的制片人之一。
Act Two, "Zoo Unto Others." On the first day of the war, there were 30 visitors to the zoo in Kyiv, Ukraine.
第二幕，“动物园”。战争第一天，乌克兰基辅动物园就有30名游客。
On the ninth day of the war, there were none, no paying visitors.
战争进入第九天，没有任何付费游客。
That was the day Washington Post reporter, Siobhan O'Grady, and a couple of her colleagues went there to meet the zookeepers.
那天，《华盛顿邮报》记者西沃恩·奥格雷迪和她的几位同事去那里会见动物园管理员。
Siobhan had been wondering about the people in Ukraine who are still working while the country had been under siege.
西奥布汉一直想知道乌克兰被围困期间仍在工作的人们。
Not just military, but everyday workers-- pharmacists, grocery store employees.
不仅是军人，还有日常工作人员——药剂师、杂货店员工。
It's the same thought a lot of us have had about essential workers during the pandemic, except, in this case, there were literally bombs going off around them.
这与我们很多人在大流行期间对重要工作人员的看法是一样的，只不过在这种情况下，他们周围确实有炸弹爆炸。
She wanted to know what it was like to do their jobs now under what are probably the most extreme circumstances possible.
她想知道他们现在在可能最极端的情况下工作是什么感觉。
They went to the zoo in the afternoon for a few rushed hours before curfew.
下午，他们在宵禁前匆忙地去了动物园几个小时。
Siobhan said it was eerie-- the giant colorful giraffe statue at the entrance, after they had just passed through several checkpoints to get there.
西沃恩说，在他们刚刚通过几个检查站到达那里之后，入口处的巨型彩色长颈鹿雕像很奇怪。
The winding paths were virtually empty.
蜿蜒的小路几乎空无一人。
The zookeepers were keeping the animals inside, partly because of the cold, and also because the animals could be killed if they came out for some exercise at the wrong moment.
动物园管理员将动物关在室内，部分原因是天气寒冷，还有一个原因是，如果动物在错误的时间出来锻炼，可能会被杀死。
The zoo is right near a military facility that might be targeted by Russian forces, and they were worried about errant missiles.
该动物园就在一个可能成为俄罗斯军队攻击目标的军事设施附近，他们担心导弹失灵。
In total, about 50 staffers out of the usual 375 had stayed behind to look after the animals.
平时有 375 名工作人员，总共约有 50 名留下来照顾动物。
I ask Siobhan what was behind their decision to stick it out.
我问西沃恩他们决定坚持下去的背后是什么。
The ones I spoke to didn't make it sound like a decision.
与我交谈过的人并没有说这听起来像是一个决定。
It wasn't an option.
这不是一个选择。
The staff members really felt a responsibility to stay, and that that would be the way that they would spend the war.
工作人员确实感到有责任留下来，这将是他们度过战争的方式。
Right.
正确的。
Sean Cole If they left, what do you think would happen?
肖恩·科尔 如果他们离开，你认为会发生什么？
Would there be anybody that would leap over the zoo wall to--
会有人愿意跳过动物园的围墙去——
No, the animals would die.
不，动物会死。
Sean Cole 4,000 animals going to be locked away in their pens and enclosures, slowly starving to death, if dehydration didn't get them first.
肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 4,000 只动物将被锁在围栏和围栏中，如果脱水不先导致它们慢慢饿死。
And not just anyone can do this job.
并不是任何人都能胜任这项工作。
It takes special skill and knowledge of the different animals' dietary needs.
它需要不同动物饮食需求的特殊技能和知识。
Some of the animals need to live at different temperatures than others.
有些动物需要生活在与其他动物不同的温度下。
It's a hefty enough task during peacetime.
在和平时期，这是一项足够艰巨的任务。
And of course, lots of aspects of the job are different in a war zone.
当然，在战区工作的很多方面都不同。
First of all, the zookeepers are mainly living at the zoo, which they normally would not be doing.
首先，动物园管理员主要生活在动物园里，他们通常不会这样做。
The staff moved some of their families in.
工作人员将一些家人搬了进来。
The head of the zoo, Kyrylo Trantin, moved his elderly mother into the zoo with him in order to care for her and the animals.
动物园园长凯里洛·特兰廷 (Kyrylo Trantin) 将年迈的母亲搬进动物园，照顾她和动物们。
Is it that they can't live at home?
难道他们不能住在家里吗？
Or they just thought it was safer at the zoo?
或者他们只是认为动物园更安全？
It's both.
两者都是。
So in some cases, maybe they live in a part of town that could eventually be cut off or made very difficult to get between the zoo and home, in which case they would be separated from each other.
因此，在某些情况下，也许他们住在城镇的某个地方，最终可能会被切断，或者很难在动物园和家之间往返，在这种情况下，他们就会彼此分离。
And it's also that some of them live in neighborhoods that have already been targeted by strikes.
而且他们中的一些人居住的社区已经成为罢工的目标。
So every night, a staff member has been sleeping with the elephant, Horace, the elephant, to comfort him, because elephants are really sensitive, in general.
所以每天晚上都有工作人员陪着大象，霍勒斯，大象睡觉，安慰他，因为大象一般来说真的很敏感。
They also have enormous ears and really good hearing.
他们还有巨大的耳朵和非常好的听力。
So the booms and the sirens have been especially upsetting to him, to the point that he's been put on sedatives.
因此，轰鸣声和警报声让他特别不安，以至于他不得不服用镇静剂。
And at night, he was apparently waking up, walking around, exhibiting signs of extreme stress.
到了晚上，他显然会醒来，四处走动，表现出极度压力的迹象。
And they were so worried about him that one of the staff members has volunteered to just stay in there with him.
他们非常担心他，以至于一名工作人员自愿和他一起呆在那里。
And so when he gets stressed at night, they speak to him in a kind of calming voice.
因此，当他晚上感到压力时，他们会用一种平静的声音对他说话。
They feed him his favorite snacks of apples and things like that and just kind of talk him down after any booms, until he can go back to sleep.
他们给他喂他最喜欢的苹果零食之类的东西，并在任何繁荣之后劝说他，直到他可以回去睡觉。
Some of the staffers and their families occasionally sleep in an aquarium that's still under construction-- underground, bunker-like.
一些工作人员和他们的家人偶尔会睡在仍在建设中的水族馆里——位于地下，像地堡一样。
Siobhan told me you could see where, one day, hopefully, there'll be glass and fish.
西沃恩告诉我，你可以看到，希望有一天，那里会有玻璃和鱼。
But right now, there are all kinds of cots with pillows and sleeping bags on them.
但现在，有各种各样的婴儿床，上面有枕头和睡袋。
Siobhan imagined how nice and cool it would be to hang out down there during the summer months, if and when they can finish building it.
西沃恩想象着，如果他们能把它建成的话，夏天在那里闲逛会是多么美好和凉爽。
Wait, wait.
等等，等等。
Slow, slow.
慢点，慢点。
Sean Cole During their tour of the zoo, the zookeepers handed Siobhan an apple and showed her how to feed Horace, the elephant with sleep trouble.
肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 在参观动物园期间，动物园管理员递给西沃恩 (Siobhan) 一个苹果，并向她展示如何喂养有睡眠问题的大象霍勒斯 (Horace)。
Welcome to Kyiv zoo.
欢迎来到基辅动物园。
Siobhan O'Grady Hi.
西沃恩·奥格雷迪嗨。
They visited Toni the Gorilla, who's also been agitated, not because of the explosions necessarily.
他们拜访了大猩猩托尼，他也很激动，但这不一定是因为爆炸。
He's had no interaction with guests and apparently misses it a lot.
他没有与客人互动，显然非常想念它。
Got visibly excited when his handler finally showed up.
当他的经纪人终于出现时，他明显很兴奋。
Also spat out his lunch all over one of Siobhan's colleagues for some reason.
还因为某种原因把他的午餐吐到了西沃恩的一位同事身上。
[SPEAKING RUSSIAN] Sean Cole In the administration building, one of the animal handlers was feeding a brand new baby lemur, this incredibly small, soft, delicate thing, especially compared to the chaos it was born into.
[俄语]肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 在行政大楼里，一名动物饲养员正在喂养一只刚出生的狐猴宝宝，这种东西小得令人难以置信，柔软而精致，尤其是与它出生时的混乱环境相比。
They named him Bayraktar, which is a kind of Turkish drone that the Ukrainians are deploying against the Russians.
他们给他起名叫 Bayraktar，这是乌克兰人部署来对抗俄罗斯的一种土耳其无人机。
They're thinking of naming his sibling, Javelin.
他们正在考虑给他的兄弟命名“标枪”。
Siobhan asked the zookeepers which of the animals were the least concerned about all of the explosions and sirens.
西沃恩询问动物园管理员，哪种动物最不担心所有爆炸和警报声。
The crocodiles, they said, and the alligator.
他们说，是鳄鱼，还有短吻鳄。
All they care about is eating.
他们关心的只是吃。
But as interesting as she found the animals, it was really the people she was there to learn about.
但与她发现的动物一样有趣的是，她真正要了解的是那里的人。
One of the zookeepers who interested her most was Ivan Rybchenko, who still commutes to the zoo from home on his bike.
她最感兴趣的动物园管理员之一是伊万·雷布琴科（Ivan Rybchenko），他仍然骑着自行车从家到动物园。
And I was interested when I saw him, because he was feeding a banana to a giraffe.
当我看到他时我很感兴趣，因为他正在给长颈鹿喂香蕉。
And the air raid sirens had just gone off.
空袭警报刚刚拉响。
We could hear booms in the background.
我们可以听到背景中的轰鸣声。
And both he and the giraffes just didn't react at all.
他和长颈鹿都没有任何反应。
They just continued with the feeding.
他们只是继续喂食。
And he was just being really gentle and sweet with the giraffe.
他对长颈鹿真的很温柔、很甜蜜。
And we were all kind of looking around, like, should we take cover?
我们都在环顾四周，想，我们应该躲起来吗？
Do you think it's OK?
你觉得可以吗？
And they were like, you know, we're just going to keep eating this banana.
他们就像，你知道，我们会继续吃这个香蕉。
Hmm.
唔。
Siobhan O'Grady So I asked him, why are you still here?
Siobhan O'Grady 所以我问他，你为什么还在这里？
He's a young man of fighting age.
他是一个到了战斗年龄的年轻人。
He's 33.
他33岁了。
Most guys his age have probably volunteered for the forces, or doing something more directly related to the war effort.
大多数与他同龄的人可能都志愿加入了部队，或者做了一些与战争工作更直接相关的事情。
But he didn't see it that way at all.
但他根本不这么看。
I mean, he said that his responsibility is the giraffes, the deer, and the horses at the zoo.
我的意思是，他说他的责任是动物园里的长颈鹿、鹿和马。
And his job is a public service, and that's his contribution to the fight.
他的工作是公共服务，这就是他对这场斗争的贡献。
He really saw it that way.
他确实是这么看的。
Zookeeper 2 He did.
动物园管理员2 他做到了。
Which is something Siobhan has seen a lot of, she says.
她说，西沃恩已经见过很多这样的事情了。
The people who've chosen to stay and continue doing their jobs amid the fighting, all of them see what they're doing as their role in the defending of Ukraine.
那些选择留下来并在战斗中继续工作的人，他们都将自己正在做的事情视为保卫乌克兰的角色。
After all, along with staving off the day-to-day attacks, they also need to preserve any pockets of normalcy they can, the things they had before the invasion.
毕竟，除了避免日常袭击之外，他们还需要尽可能保留一切正常情况，即入侵前所拥有的东西。
And that will mean still having a zoo when the war ends one day.
这意味着当战争有一天结束时仍然有一个动物园。
You can reach Siobhan's article for the Washington Post about the Kyiv zoo at washingtonpost.com.
您可以在 WashingtonPost.com 上找到 Siobhan 为《华盛顿邮报》撰写的有关基辅动物园的文章。
Coming up, being a voice for the voiceless in possibly the most macabre and yet literal meaning of that phrase.
即将到来，为无声者发声，这可能是该短语最可怕但又最字面的含义。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Sean Cole, in for Ira Glass.
我是肖恩·科尔，代表艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program-- Well, Someone Had To Do Something-- stories about someone's stepping up, taking it upon themselves to tackle some problem, large or small, for the greater good, or just for a discrete few, because who else is going to?
今天的节目——嗯，有人必须做点什么——故事讲述了某人挺身而出，为了更大的利益，或者只是为了少数人的利益，独自解决一些问题，无论大小，因为还有谁会这么做呢？
We've reached Act Three of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第三幕。
Act Three, "One Last Thing After I Go."
第三幕，“我走后的最后一件事”。
All the people tackling problems in the show up to this point identified themselves what needed to be done.
到目前为止，所有在节目中解决问题的人都明确了自己需要做什么。
In this next story, the person jumping into the fray never even conceived of the thing that he was ultimately asked to do by somebody else.
在下一个故事中，加入战斗的人甚至从未想到别人最终要求他做的事情。
Producer Aviva DeKornfeld explains.
制片人阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德 (Aviva DeKornfeld) 解释道。
This all started a few years back as a joke in strange circumstances, yes, but definitely, it was not meant to be taken seriously.
这一切都是几年前在奇怪的情况下作为一个笑话开始的，是的，但绝对不应该被认真对待。
Yeah, it was a joke, absolute joke.
是的，这是一个笑话，绝对的笑话。
And I mean that literally.
我的意思是字面上的意思。
This is Bill Edgar, a private investigator in Queensland, Australia.
我是比尔·埃德加，澳大利亚昆士兰州的一名私家侦探。
And around the time of the joke, Bill had been looking into some financial matters for a client named Graham.
在开玩笑的时候，比尔一直在为一位名叫格雷厄姆的客户调查一些财务问题。
At the time, I didn't know he was terminally ill.
那时，我并不知道他已经病入膏肓。
It was not until a couple of months in that I was investigating and Graham told me he was terminally ill, and he hadn't got long to go.
直到我进行调查的几个月后，格雷厄姆才告诉我他已经病入膏肓，而且已经没有多久了。
And then I got to know Graham quite well.
然后我就很了解格雷厄姆了。
And it was one of those things that you start to talk about death, the afterlife, what's going to happen, who's around.
这是你开始谈论死亡、来世、将会发生什么、谁在附近的事情之一。
And it became apparent that he really had a job he just wanted done.
很明显，他确实有一份他只想完成的工作。
Graham told Bill he had something he wanted said at his funeral, stuff he wanted to be sure everyone would hear.
格雷厄姆告诉比尔，他想在葬礼上说一些话，他想确保每个人都能听到。
He thought about making a video of himself giving his own eulogy, but worried his family wouldn't play it.
他想过制作一段自己悼念的视频，但担心家人不会播放。
This thing he had to say, it wasn't very funeral appropriate.
他不得不说，这不太适合葬礼。
So as a joke, Bill offered to crash his funeral and say whatever it was Graham wanted said.
因此，作为一个玩笑，比尔主动提出破坏他的葬礼，并说出格雷厄姆想说的话。
I could see him-- his mind was ticking over.
我可以看到他——他的思绪在运转。
Really?
真的吗？
Bill Edgar You could just see it.
比尔·埃德加 你可以看到它。
Like you could see him sort of register?
就像你可以看到他注册一样？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Yeah, he had this thing about him where you could just see it.
是的，他身上有一种你一眼就能看到的东西。
And I thought to myself, oh, did I just plant the seed?
我心想，哦，我刚刚种下了种子吗？
Or did the penny drop?
还是一分钱掉下来了？
Did something just happen then?
刚才是不是发生了什么事情？
A couple of weeks later, Bill got a text from Graham basically saying, let's do it.
几周后，比尔收到格雷厄姆发来的短信，基本上是说，让我们开始吧。
Once I'm dead, you go to my funeral, and I'll prepare a thing for you to say.
我死后，你去参加我的葬礼，我会准备一些话给你说。
I was in a cafe when I received the text.
收到短信时我正在一家咖啡馆。
So I remember I was about to leave the cafe, but I ended up ordering another coffee and sitting there, going, how the fuck am I going to do this?
所以我记得我正要离开咖啡馆，但最后我又点了一杯咖啡，坐在那里，心想，我他妈的该怎么办？
Bill agreed to do it, and Graham explained the situation.
比尔同意这样做，格雷厄姆解释了情况。
After he'd gotten sick and become bedridden, his best friend, John, had started hitting on his wife, trying to sleep with her.
在他生病卧床不起之后，他最好的朋友约翰开始调戏他的妻子，试图和她一起睡觉。
Graham had even seen it happen a few times.
格雷厄姆甚至见过几次这种情况。
His wife told John to knock it off, but he wouldn't stop.
他的妻子告诉约翰别再这样了，但他不肯停下来。
And Graham was too sick to really engage or do anything about it, but it made him really mad.
格雷厄姆病得太重，无法真正参与或采取任何行动，但这让他真的很生气。
So this is what Graham wanted Bill to do-- go to his funeral, and when his best friend stood up to deliver his eulogy, Bill was to interrupt him and call him out for what he'd done.
这就是格雷厄姆希望比尔做的事情——去参加他的葬礼，当他最好的朋友站起来致悼词时，比尔要打断他，并谴责他的所作所为。
Graham eventually died, and Bill, a total stranger to the family, went to his funeral, armed with Graham's message written on a piece of paper.
格雷厄姆最终去世了，比尔这个家庭完全陌生，带着格雷厄姆写在一张纸上的信息去参加了他的葬礼。
Bill was nervous.
比尔很紧张。
The service started.
服务开始了。
It was a blur to start with.
一开始这很模糊。
I mean, I was sweating, profusely.
我的意思是，我满头大汗。
And I've got to say, it was-- you've got your time on your phone.
我必须说，你的时间都花在手机上了。
And I'm looking at the clock, and I'm thinking, OK, his mate's about to do the eulogy.
我看着时钟，心想，好吧，他的伙伴要致悼词了。
And I knew I had to get up within one minute, two minutes at most, to interrupt the eulogy.
我知道我必须在一分钟内起身，最多两分钟，才能打断悼词。
And his best mate stands up, and he starts blubbering and telling everybody how much he loves his best mate and starts talking about a certain particular time that they shared.
他最好的朋友站了起来，他开始哭泣并告诉每个人他有多么爱他最好的朋友，并开始谈论他们共同度过的某个特定时间。
And it was that moment, I looked at my clock, and I went, oh, it's nearly two minutes in.
就在那一刻，我看了看时钟，然后我说，哦，已经快两分钟了。
And in that church, there were long pews.
在那座教堂里，有很长的长凳。
And they were timber.
它们是木材。
So when you stood up or you even moved, they made a sound.
因此，当您站起来或什至移动时，它们就会发出声音。
And yeah, when I stood up, it made a sound.
是的，当我站起来时，它发出了声音。
And obviously, everyone just looked straight at you, you know?
显然，每个人都直视着你，你知道吗？
I froze, to say honestly.
老实说，我愣住了。
I stood up, and I just stood there and went, OK.
我站起来，就站在那里，好吧。
Bill started reading what Graham had written out for him.
比尔开始阅读格雷厄姆为他写的内容。
My name's Bill Edgar, and I'm here on behalf of the deceased, who has a message for you all.
我叫比尔·埃德加，我代表死者来到这里，他有一句话要告诉大家。
John, it's Graham here.
约翰，我是格雷厄姆。
I've hired Bill to interrupt your eulogy to tell you that I witnessed you on several occasions trying to screw my wife.
我雇了比尔打断你的悼词，告诉你我曾多次亲眼目睹你试图与我的妻子发生关系。
God love her, she rejected every one of your advances.
上帝爱她，她拒绝了你的每一项示好。
But that doesn't change the fact--
但这并不能改变事实——
The best friend, John, speed walked out of the church.
最好的朋友约翰飞快地走出了教堂。
Bill heard some people whispering, telling him to sit down.
比尔听到有人窃窃私语，叫他坐下。
But Bill had a job to do.
但比尔还有工作要做。
There was more to read.
还有更多东西要读。
If my brother, his wife, and their daughter are here, you can kindly fuck off, too.
如果我的兄弟、他的妻子和他们的女儿都在的话，你们也可以滚蛋了。
I haven't seen you in 30 years, and now you show up to pay your respects.
三十年没见，如今你来吊唁。
Where were you when I was alive and could have used you around in the hard times?
当我还活着的时候，你在哪里，在困难时期可以利用你？
The brother, along with his wife and their daughter, quickly left the church, as well.
兄弟和他的妻子和女儿也很快离开了教堂。
You could hear a lot of whispering within the mourners, you know?
你可以听到哀悼者中很多窃窃私语，你知道吗？
And some mourners are sitting there, going, oh, fuck you.
一些哀悼者坐在那里，说，哦，操你。
I don't know why she was here anyway, you know?
我不知道她为什么会在这里，你知道吗？
And I'd be like, oh, cool.
我会说，哦，太酷了。
At least, they're on my side, you know?
至少，他们是站在我这边的，你知道吗？
As quickly as it started, it ended.
开始的那么快，结束的也那么快。
Bill folded up the paper, put it on top of the coffin, and walked outside to his car.
比尔把纸折起来，放在棺材上，然后走到外面的车旁。
His shirt was soaked through with nervous sweat.
他的衬衫被紧张的汗水浸湿了。
He was worried angry relatives might come after him.
他担心愤怒的亲戚可能会追杀他。
But at the same time, he was pretty clear on how he felt about the whole thing.
但同时，他也很清楚自己对整件事的感受。
Did you like doing it?
你喜欢这样做吗？
Bill Edgar Fuck, yeah.
比尔·埃德加 他妈的，是的。
[LAUGHS] Absolutely.
[笑]当然。
Really?
真的吗？
Bill Edgar I thought it was brilliant.
比尔·埃德加 我觉得这太棒了。
You know what I loved most?
你知道我最喜欢什么吗？
Walking out.
走出去。
I thought that was just-- like, Graham had the mic drop, which is something that not many people get to do, you know?
我认为这就像格雷厄姆的麦克风掉落一样，这是很多人都做不到的事情，你知道吗？
I had the ultimate experience of just walking away from it all and not even knowing what happens in the aftermath.
我有一种终极的体验，就是远离这一切，甚至不知道之后会发生什么。
So I'm just walking out, and I'm going to my car.
所以我就走出去，然后走向我的车。
And I only just made it to the car when a young girl came running up to me and said that-- her exact words were, Bill?
我刚上车，一个年轻女孩跑过来对我说——她的原话是，比尔？
Bill?
账单？
Dad would have loved that.
爸爸会喜欢的。
Thank you, so much.
太感谢了。
Mom's very grateful, which was really cool, you know?
妈妈非常感激，这真的很酷，你知道吗？
And she had another friend with her.
她还有另一个朋友和她一起。
And not too much later, that friend reached out to Bill.
不久之后，那位朋友联系了比尔。
And she said, here, my auntie needs to see you, and she needs to see you now.
她说，在这里，我阿姨需要见你，她现在就需要见你。
Here's my number.
这是我的电话号码。
Please give me a call as soon as you can.
请尽快给我打电话。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
Bill Edgar Yeah.
比尔·埃德加 是的。
Prior to the funeral, I thought, oh, this is just going to be a one-off thing, and I'm just going to walk away, and-- but it wasn't.
在葬礼之前，我想，哦，这只是一次性的事情，我会走开，但是事实并非如此。
The aunty, Christine, she was dying of leukemia.
克里斯汀姨妈，她死于白血病。
And she was secretly in love with her best friend, Carol.
她暗恋着她最好的朋友卡罗尔。
Bill did her funeral, and then another, and another.
比尔为她举办了葬礼，然后又举办了一场，又一场。
Enough people started reaching out to Bill that he figured he should really pick a name for himself, make this all a bit more official.
越来越多的人开始联系比尔，他认为自己真的应该为自己选一个名字，让这一切变得更加正式。
So he decided on the Coffin Confessor.
于是他决定选择棺材告解师。
Bill's done a bunch of confessions at this point.
比尔此时已经坦白了很多。
People pay him to do it, and he likes the work.
人们付钱给他做这件事，他喜欢这份工作。
It suits him.
这很适合他。
Bill is a man who is constitutionally opposed to artifice.
比尔是一个从本质上来说反对诡计的人。
As a private investigator, he sees how messy people's lives really are, so he hates all the pomp and rituals candy coating most funerals.
作为一名私家侦探，他看到人们的生活实际上是多么混乱，因此他讨厌大多数葬礼上的盛况和仪式。
It feels phony.
感觉很假。
He thinks it's better when people tell the truth, whatever that truth may be.
他认为人们说实话会更好，无论真相是什么。
People say funerals are for the living.
人们都说葬礼是为生者举行的。
Bill thinks that's all wrong.
比尔认为这都是错误的。
Why shouldn't the dead get a say in how they leave this world?
为什么死者不能对他们如何离开这个世界有发言权？
It's their funeral.
这是他们的葬礼。
People hire Bill to confess all kinds of things.
人们雇佣比尔来承认各种各样的事情。
Sometimes, it's nice stuff.
有时候，这是件好事。
They just want to tell their family they love them one last time.
他们只是想最后一次告诉家人他们爱他们。
One time, a client asked Bill to interrupt his funeral to apologize to his ex-wife and tell her how much she meant to him.
有一次，一位客户要求比尔中断他的葬礼，向他的前妻道歉，并告诉她她对他有多重要。
That one went well.
那件事进展顺利。
Other times, it's something petty.
其他时候，这是一些小事。
Someone wants to literally get the last word.
有人想真正掌握最后一句话。
One guy, an atheist, hired Bill to interrupt his funeral, which he knew his parents would turn into a religious affair against his wishes, to say, this is not what I wanted.
一个无神论者雇比尔打断他的葬礼，他知道他的父母会违背他的意愿将葬礼变成一场宗教活动，他说，这不是我想要的。
That one did not go over so well.
那件事进展得不太顺利。
And occasionally, he's asked to reveal something darker, like with this one recent client, who hired Bill to confess that he'd been having an affair with a neighbor for the past two years, the effect of which would be, this guy's wife would learn at his funeral, in front of everyone, that he'd been cheating on her.
有时，他会被要求揭露一些更黑暗的事情，就像最近的一位客户，他雇佣比尔承认过去两年他一直与邻居有染，其后果是，这个人的妻子会在他的葬礼上，当着所有人的面得知他一直在欺骗她。
In cases like that, Bill encourages the person to maybe say that themselves before they die.
在这种情况下，比尔鼓励这个人在死前也许自己这么说。
Obviously, when I sit with him and I say to him, does your wife know?
显然，当我和他坐在一起时，我对他说，你的妻子知道吗？
No. Are you going to tell her?
不，你要告诉她吗？
Well, no, but I'll leave that to you.
好吧，不，但我会把它留给你。
I mean, obviously, I'll say to him, yeah, it'd probably be nice coming from you.
我的意思是，显然，我会对他说，是的，如果你来的话可能会很好。
So you'll say that?
那么你会这么说吗？
Bill Edgar And he'll say-- oh, yeah, absolutely.
比尔·埃德加 他会说——哦，是的，绝对如此。
No, it never goes over.
不，它永远不会结束。
It's just basically, this is what I've written.
基本上，这就是我写的。
This is what you're going to do.
这就是你要做的。
Do it.
做吧。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Aviva DeKornfeld In all the funerals Bill's crashed, there's one that sticks with him.
阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德 (Aviva DeKornfeld) 在比尔参加的所有葬礼中，总有一个人陪伴着他。
This biker guy reached out to Bill, said he had cancer and that he was interested in hiring him.
这个骑自行车的家伙联系了比尔，说他患有癌症，并且有兴趣雇用他。
So Bill drove to the biker's home to meet him.
于是比尔开车去骑车人的家见他。
He was this huge, muscley guy covered with tattoos.
他是一个身材魁梧、肌肉发达、浑身纹身的家伙。
Well, actually, when he first saw me he said, you?
嗯，实际上，当他第一次见到我时，他说，你？
He said, you're the Coffin Confessor?
他说，你就是棺材告解师？
I said, yeah, mate.
我说，是的，伙计。
You got a problem?
你有问题吗？
And he says, no, not yet.
他说，不，还没有。
And I said, OK.
我说，好吧。
So I walk up to the balcony.
于是我走到阳台上。
I sit with him.
我和他坐在一起。
And he goes, well, you crash funerals, so I want you to crash mine.
他说，好吧，你们破坏了葬礼，所以我希望你们破坏我的葬礼。
Mine will be a burial.
我的将被埋葬。
It's in the lawn cemetery.
就在草坪公墓里。
He said, and I want you to out that I'm gay.
他说，我想让你知道我是同性恋。
And I said, yeah, right, as a joke?
我说，是啊，对吧，开玩笑吧？
And he says, why?
他说，为什么？
Did I say it as a joke?
我是开玩笑说的吗？
And I said, OK.
我说，好吧。
I said, so you're gay?
我说那你是同性恋吗？
And he goes, well, I'm bisexual.
他说，好吧，我是双性恋。
And I said, OK, cool.
我说，好吧，酷。
A few months later, the biker dies.
几个月后，骑自行车的人去世了。
As planned, Bill heads to the funeral and waits for his moment to jump in.
按照计划，比尔前往葬礼并等待加入的时机。
He stands up midway through the ceremony and reads a letter he was given.
他在仪式中途站起来，读了一封给他的信。
Hi, dickheads.
嗨，白痴们。
I'm dead, and you're all still here.
我死了，而你们都还在这里。
Make sure you enjoy what time you have left.
确保您享受剩下的时间。
Death is a fucking scary adventure.
死亡真是一场可怕的冒险。
I embraced it-- had to, really.
我接受了它——真的必须接受。
I don't have much of a choice now, do I?
我现在没有太多选择，不是吗？
Now that I'm gone, I've got something to tell you all.
现在我走了，我有件事要告诉你们。
As some of you have known deep down, or suspected, I was bisexual.
正如你们中的一些人内心深处知道或怀疑的那样，我是双性恋。
I was in love with a man, and that man stands amongst you right now.
我爱上了一个男人，而那个男人现在就站在你们中间。
I know you're all looking around trying to figure out who he is.
我知道你们都在四处张望，试图找出他是谁。
You're not going to ever know, unless he tells you.
除非他告诉你，否则你永远不会知道。
But I want you to know I loved him with everything I had.
但我想让你知道我用我所拥有的一切爱他。
No, it's not David, who, right now, is probably standing up at the back, laughing and looking around.
不，那不是大卫，他现在可能正站在后面，笑着环顾四周。
You can all stop looking at David.
你们都可以停止看大卫了。
To those who cared for me, I love you guys.
对于那些关心我的人，我爱你们。
To those that didn't, I'll see you in hell.
对于那些没有这样做的人，我会在地狱见。
It's time for me to visit past family and friends.
现在是我拜访过去的家人和朋友的时候了。
So live well, ride safe, and be true to yourself.
所以，好好生活，安全骑行，忠于自己。
That's something I wasn't, but wish I was.
我不是这样的，但我希望是这样。
It's so easy to not say the thing you want to say, to go for years, even a lifetime, not finding the right words or the right moment.
很容易不说出你想说的话，多年来，甚至一生，都找不到合适的词语或合适的时刻。
Sometimes the right moment is the last one, one final thing to shout over your shoulder into the party, as you're walking out the door.
有时，正确的时刻就是最后一刻，当你走出门时，你要在派对上大声喊叫的最后一件事。
Aviva DeKornfeld is one of the producers of our show.
Aviva DeKornfeld 是我们节目的制作人之一。
Act Four, "A Funny Thing Happened When We Were Already AT the Theater." This last story is a counterexample of sorts where you'd be forgiven for thinking, did somebody have to do something?
第四幕，“当我们已经在剧院时，发生了一件有趣的事情。”最后一个故事是一个反例，你可能会想，有人必须做某事吗？
Or anyway, that's what a lot of people thought in this case.
或者无论如何，这就是很多人在这种情况下的想法。
Chana Joffe-Walt has the story.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特讲述了这个故事。
Here's what happened.
事情是这样的。
A group of people went to a movie theater near Los Angeles to see The Lost City.
一群人去洛杉矶附近的一家电影院看《失落之城》。
It was a 7:00 PM showing, but the projector was broken, so everyone in the audience was stuck waiting-- 10 minutes, 20.
演出时间是晚上 7:00，但投影仪坏了，所以观众中的每个人都在等待 - 10 分钟、20 分钟。
And then a woman from the audience walked down to the front of the theater in front of everyone and started doing standup.
然后观众席上的一位女士走到剧院前面，在所有人面前开始表演单口喜剧。
So I am a single mom.
所以我是一个单亲妈妈。
Are there any single moms in the house?
家里有单亲妈妈吗？
Any single moms in the house, she says.
她说，家里有单亲妈妈。
There's short clips of this online.
网上有这个短片。
She's in a beige dress, long, straight hair, waving her arms all over the place, trying to project her voice to the back of the theater.
她穿着米色连衣裙，留着长直发，到处挥舞着手臂，试图将她的声音传到剧院的后面。
The act is chaotic and hard to follow.
该行为混乱且难以遵循。
She's pretty all over the place.
她到处都很漂亮。
I believe in Buddha.
我信佛。
Jesus was never married.
耶稣从未结过婚。
She does voices.
她会配音。
Tiffany King He-he-he-he-he!
蒂芙尼王嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿！
She chants.
她吟诵着。
Tiffany King Anybody here chant?
蒂芙尼·金 这里有人唱吗？
[CHANTS]
[颂歌]
And she sings.
她唱歌。
Tiffany King (SINGING) [INAUDIBLE]
蒂芙尼·金（唱歌）[听不清]
These are people who showed up to see Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum roam around in the jungle.
这些人看到桑德拉·布洛克和查宁·塔图姆在丛林中漫步。
Instead, they got this.
相反，他们得到了这个。
There are tweets from audience members who are not happy about that switch.
有一些观众发推文对这种转变不满意。
One of them says, a woman has decided to try her standup out on us.
其中一个人说，一位女士决定在我们面前尝试单口相声。
It's not good.
这不好。
Another one says, I want to crawl out of my skin and die.
另一位说，我想从我的皮肤里爬出来然后死去。
In one of the videos posted online, you can hear someone in the audience actually interrupt her act to yell, put us out of our misery!
在网上发布的其中一个视频中，你可以听到观众中有人打断了她的表演并大喊，让我们摆脱痛苦！
Can you put us out of our misery, please?
你能让我们摆脱痛苦吗？
The woman's response-- this is what got me-- she says--
这位女士的反应——这就是让我感动的——她说——
Do you want to come down here and try to entertain people?
你想来这里并尝试娱乐人们吗？
Do you want to come down here and try to entertain people, as if entertaining everyone in this theater was a job someone obviously had to do.
你想来这里并尝试娱乐人们吗，就好像娱乐这个剧院里的每个人显然是某人必须做的工作一样。
So walk me through the thinking of nominating yourself to be the one to do that.
请跟我一起思考一下提名自己来做这件事的人。
I'm just very outspoken.
我只是非常直言不讳。
Like, I have no problem talking to people.
就像，我与人交谈没有问题。
I don't get nervous in front of crowds.
我在人群面前不会感到紧张。
So I just felt like nobody else was going to, so I might as well try to communicate with everyone.
所以我就是觉得没有人会去，所以我不妨尝试和大家沟通一下。
The woman's name is Tiffany King.
这个女人的名字叫蒂芙尼·金。
She's 42 years old, Latina, lives in Los Angeles.
她今年 42 岁，拉丁裔，住在洛杉矶。
She has one eight-year-old daughter.
她有一个八岁的女儿。
She does many things-- waitresses, sings.
她做了很多事情——女服务员、唱歌。
She does college online and sometimes does standup.
她在网上上大学，有时也做单口喜剧。
And the way Tiffany King ended up performing unsolicited comedy that night-- there's the story on the internet, and then there's her story, which is different.
那天晚上，蒂芙尼·金最终表演了一场不请自来的喜剧——网上有这个故事，还有她自己的故事，这是不同的。
Tiffany says she took her daughter to the movies that night.
蒂芙尼说那天晚上她带女儿去看电影。
So we got there, and the movie wasn't starting.
我们到了那里，电影还没有开始。
And I was getting only annoyed.
我只是感到恼火。
I was getting annoyed because my daughter had school the next day, and I'm like, OK, when is this movie going to start?
我很生气，因为我女儿第二天要上学，我想，好吧，这部电影什么时候开始？
Everyone was just sitting around, Tiffany says, waiting.
蒂芙尼说，每个人都只是坐着等待。
So she turns to her daughter and says, wouldn't it be funny if I go introduce the movie, like I'm with the theater?
于是她转向女儿说，如果我去介绍这部电影，就像我在剧院一样，不是很有趣吗？
Do it, her daughter says.
去做吧，她女儿说。
So Tiffany gets up in front of everyone.
于是蒂芙尼在所有人面前站了起来。
Hello, welcome to the theater.
您好，欢迎来到剧院。
We're so glad to have you.
我们很高兴有你。
The show will be starting shortly.
演出即将开始。
And then she says, just kidding.
然后她说，开玩笑。
I'm a comedian.
我是一名喜剧演员。
But I do hope you all have good night, and she sits down.
但我确实希望大家晚安，然后她坐下了。
But then they're still waiting, and waiting, and nobody's doing anything.
但他们仍然在等待，等待，却没有人采取任何行动。
So Tiffany gets up again, decides, I'm going to go find out what's going on.
蒂芙尼再次站起来，决定，我要去看看发生了什么事。
She goes down to the lobby.
她下楼来到大厅。
A guy tells her the projector's broken.
一个人告诉她投影仪坏了。
They're working on it.
他们正在努力。
She told them, we're sweating like crazy in there.
她告诉他们，我们在那里疯狂出汗。
The guy says they'd work on the AC.
那家伙说他们会在空调上工作。
Then, Tiffany says, she went back to the theater and walked up front just to tell everyone what was going on.
蒂芙尼说，然后她回到剧院，走到前面只是为了告诉大家发生了什么事。
She said the projector's broken.
她说投影仪坏了。
They're working on it.
他们正在努力。
They know we're hot in here.
他们知道我们这里很热。
They'll try to get the AC back.
他们会尽力找回空调。
And then there was a Latino couple in the front.
然后前面有一对拉丁裔夫妇。
And the guy goes, oh, hey, if you're a comedian, can you tell us some jokes?
那个人说，哦，嘿，如果你是喜剧演员，你能给我们讲一些笑话吗？
And I was like, sure.
我当时想，当然。
And I don't even remember hesitating, because I like to help.
我什至不记得犹豫过，因为我喜欢帮忙。
[LAUGHS] And it makes me happy to make people happy, so I was like, OK.
[笑]让人们快乐让我很高兴，所以我想，好吧。
And what did it feel like when you started telling jokes?
当你开始讲笑话时感觉如何？
Honestly, I was just pulling random clean jokes.
老实说，我只是随意开个干净的玩笑。
I was just trying to string together some clean jokes that would not be inappropriate for my daughter.
我只是想编一些对我女儿来说还算合适的干净笑话。
So she went with a truly random collection of jokes.
所以她随机收集了一些笑话。
And from Tiffany's perspective, it was going fine.
从蒂芙尼的角度来看，一切进展顺利。
People were laughing, clapping.
人们笑着、鼓掌。
And everything was going-- everything felt great, until the girl heckled me.
一切都很顺利——一切都感觉很棒，直到那个女孩质问我。
And she was like, please, no. Put us out of our misery.
她说，拜托，不。使我们脱离痛苦。
It was only the next day that Tiffany learned some of her audience had not appreciated being subjected to an unwanted comedy show.
直到第二天，蒂芙尼才得知她的一些观众不喜欢观看不受欢迎的喜剧节目。
But for me, knowing that Tiffany started as a person who was trying to deliver information about the movie, doesn't that change things?
但对我来说，知道蒂芙尼一开始是一个试图传递电影信息的人，这难道不会改变事情吗？
She was the one person trying to get answers to a problem that a whole room full of people shared.
她是唯一一个试图找到整个房间的人共同面临的问题的答案的人。
She was trying to pass on information, and it turned into this.
她试图传递信息，结果却变成了这样。
[SINGING OPERA] Chana Joffe-Walt Because this is who Tiffany is.
[歌剧] Chana Joffe-Walt 因为这就是蒂芙尼。
Chana Joffe-Walt Here's what I was thinking when Tiffany recounted this experience to me.
查纳·乔夫-沃尔特（Chana Joffe-Walt） 当蒂芙尼向我讲述这段经历时，我的想法是这样的。
I was thinking about when I was at the airport, and I was instructed to stand in a line for a desk that had no person at it.
我在想，当我在机场的时候，我被指示排队等待一张没有人的桌子。
I stood there anyway.
无论如何我站在那里。
A long line of other people stood there anyway, too, quietly, except for one woman, who could not bear it, who was actively, loudly shouting to everyone and no one walking by that we needed help.
不管怎样，其他人也静静地站在那里，除了一个女人，她无法忍受，她积极地大声向每个人喊叫，没有人走过，我们需要帮助。
I kept looking down like, I'm not with her.
我一直低着头，好像在说，我没有和她在一起。
But I was also glad for her, because ultimately, she got someone to help us, to tell us that we actually needed to go to a different desk, where there was a person where the printer was working.
但我也为她感到高兴，因为最终，她有人帮助我们，告诉我们实际上需要去另一张桌子，那里有人在打印机工作。
And the yelling woman, she led the way.
还有那个大喊大叫的女人，她在前面带路。
We all followed her.
我们都跟着她。
My point is, the person who takes it upon themselves to do something, they don't always do it in the way you would.
我的观点是，那些主动去做某事的人，他们并不总是按照你的方式去做。
They're not perfect, but neither are we, waiting in line for the desk with no person, or for the movie that's not starting.
他们并不完美，但我们也不是完美的，我们在无人的情况下排队等候，或者等待尚未开始的电影。
When you're sitting in a theater full of people who are not doing anything, is it as mystifying to you that people wouldn't want to do something as it is to someone like me that you would want to do something?
当你坐在一个挤满了无所事事的人的剧院时，你是否会像对像我这样的人想做某事一样感到困惑，因为人们不想做某事？
When all this happened, I flashed back in my mind to a moment in high school when-- I think it was science class that we had to go into another room, talk to another class.
当这一切发生时，我的脑海中闪现出高中时的某个时刻——我认为这是科学课，我们必须进入另一个房间，与另一个班级交谈。
And I think I sang opera for some reason, because I've had vibrato from early age.
我想我唱歌剧是出于某种原因，因为我从小就有颤音。
And my grandmother was a mariachi singer.
我的祖母是一位墨西哥流浪歌手。
And I remember this young guy being like-- or this kid my age-- being like, damn, Tiffany, you got some balls.
我记得这个年轻人——或者这个和我同龄的孩子——就像，该死的蒂芙尼，你有一些胆量。
So I don't think that the people that do anything that there's anything wrong with them, I just think that we all have a different purpose in life.
所以我不认为那些做任何事情的人有什么问题，我只是认为我们都有不同的人生目标。
And I feel that I have a purpose, which is to entertain and to lead people sometimes in certain situations.
我觉得我有一个目的，就是有时在某些情况下娱乐和领导人们。
We need people-- we need go-getters.
我们需要人——我们需要能干的人。
We need people that are going to solve problems, right?
我们需要能够解决问题的人，对吗？
I was just trying to solve the problem and be helpful in the moment.
我只是想解决问题并提供帮助。
I asked, did she consider that this was a situation where maybe no one needed help?
我问，她是否认为这是一种可能没人需要帮助的情况？
Nobody needed to do anything.
没有人需要做任何事情。
Tiffany said, no, the thought never crossed her mind, which I think is probably an important part of being a person who rushes to be helpful, a person who acts.
蒂芙尼说，不，她从来没有想过这个想法，我认为这可能是成为一个乐于助人、行动起来的人的重要组成部分。
You can't ask yourself that question.
你不能问自己这个问题。
Chana Joffe-Walt is one of the producers of our show.
查纳·乔夫·沃尔特 (Chana Joffe-Walt) 是我们节目的制片人之一。
[MUSIC - "IF YOU GOT A PROBLEM" BY JOY OLADOKUN]
[音乐 - JOY OLADOKUN 的《如果你遇到问题》]
Today's program was produced by Lilly Sullivan and edited by Ben Calhoun.
今天的节目由莉莉·沙利文 (Lilly Sullivan) 制作，本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun) 编辑。
The people who put our show together include Bim Adewunmi, Elna Baker, Zoe Chase, Dana Chivvis, Michael Comite, Andrea Lopez Cruzado, Aviva DeKornfeld, Chana Joffe-Walt, Tobin Low, Michele Navarro, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Rae Mondo, Will Peischel, Alix Spiegel, Laura Starcheski, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
制作我们节目的人员包括 Bim Adewunmi、Elna Baker、Zoe Chase、Dana Chivvis、Michael Comite、Andrea Lopez Cruzado、Aviva DeKornfeld、Chana Joffe-Walt、Tobin Low、Michele Navarro、Stowe Nelson、Katherine Rae Mondo、Will Peischel、Alix Spiegel、Laura Starcheski、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Julie惠特克和黛安·吴。
Managing editor is Sarah Abdurrahman.
总编辑是萨拉·阿卜杜拉赫曼 (Sarah Abdurrahman)。
Senior editor, David Kestenbaum.
高级编辑，大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Our executive editor is Emanuele Berry.
我们的执行编辑是 Emanuele Berry。
Special thanks today to Whitney Shefte, Kostyantin Khudov, Lesia Prokopenko, Christopher Solomon, Bryan Hance, Kate Swoger, Ali deGroot, Maggie Stapleton, Eric Dean Wilson, Sam Schiller, Joe Kremer, Melissa San Miguel, and Stacey King.
今天特别感谢 Whitney Shefte、Kostyantin Khudov、Lesia Prokopenko、Christopher Solomon、Bryan Hance、Kate Swoger、Ali deGroot、Maggie Stapleton、Eric Dean Wilson、Sam Schiller、Joe Kremer、Melissa San Miguel 和 Stacey King。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, of course, to my boss, Ira Glass.
当然，要感谢我的老板艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
When I started working here, I was nervous.
当我开始在这里工作时，我很紧张。
And I said to him.
我对他说。
I was like, what do you prefer?
我当时想，你更喜欢什么？
Should I call you Mr. Glass?
我应该叫你格拉斯先生吗？
Should I call you Ira, you know?
我应该叫你艾拉，你知道吗？
And he's like, no, no, no, no. You can call me--
他就像，不，不，不，不。你可以打电话给我——
Daddy!
爸爸！
Sean Cole I'm Sean Cole.
肖恩·科尔 我是肖恩·科尔。
Ira will be back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉将于下周带着更多《美国生活》的故事回来。
[MUSIC - "IF YOU GOT A PROBLEM" BY JOY OLADOKUN]
[音乐 - JOY OLADOKUN 的《如果你遇到问题》]
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。