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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 761 集 | 2022 年 2 月 4 日 761：特洛伊木马事件 注：《美国生活》是为耳朵而制作，旨在让人们听到。

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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

序言：序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

So a while back, Brian Reed, who at the time was the senior producer of our show and he'd recently finished this great seven-episode podcast called S-Town, he was going around giving speeches every now and then about S-Town.

不久前，布莱恩·里德（Brian Reed），当时是我们节目的高级制作人，他最近完成了这个名为 S-Town 的精彩七集播客，他时不时地就 S-Town 发表演讲。

And he was out giving a speech when a journalism student in Birmingham, England, approached him and told him a story, something that had been big news there.

当时他正在外面发表演讲，英国伯明翰的一名新闻系学生走近他，给他讲了一个故事，这件事当时在当地是个大新闻。

And there was still a mystery at the heart of it that nobody had ever solved.

而这件事的核心仍然是一个谜，没有人能够解开。

And Brian decided to team up with this student.

布莱恩决定与这名学生合作。

And, honestly, they have been like dogs with a bone running this down, through many twists and turns, and officials trying to avoid them or shut them down.

老实说，他们就像狗一样，经历了许多曲折，官员们试图避开他们或关闭他们。

The student, Hamza Syed, is now a former journalism student and somebody who is in all of our lives.

这位名叫哈姆扎·赛义德（Hamza Syed）的学生现在是一名新闻系学生，并且是我们生活中不可或缺的一部分。

He moved here to the United States to finish the story, which became much too big to fit into one or two episodes of our program.

他搬到美国来完成这个故事，这个故事太大了，无法容纳在我们节目的一两集中。

So our colleagues at Serial took it over to turn into a podcast series.

所以我们 Serial 的同事把它变成了一个播客系列。

Sarah Koenig, the host of Serial, became their editor.

Serial 节目的主持人莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 成为了他们的编辑。

The series rolled out this week.

该系列于本周推出。

And it's spectacular, completely original.

而且它非常壮观，完全原创。

I'm very excited to play you the first installment of the show today, on our show, so you can hear what it's like.

我很高兴今天能在我们的节目中为您播放该节目的第一部分，这样您就可以听到它的感觉。

I defy you not to get caught up in the story the way that we all were.

我敢说你不会像我们一样陷入这个故事。

And so, with that, I'll hand things over to Hamza for part 1 of The Trojan Horse Affair.

因此，我将把《特洛伊木马事件》第一部分的工作交给哈姆扎。

This is my first story as a journalist.

这是我作为记者的第一个故事。

I hadn't planned for it to be my last story, but it probably will be, given what's happened in the years I've been working on this.

我并没有计划让它成为我的最后一个故事，但考虑到我多年来一直在写这个故事，它可能会成为我的最后一个故事。

It's about a letter that surfaced in my city and had huge consequences for Britain.

这是关于一封在我的城市出现并对英国产生巨大影响的信件。

This letter launched four government investigations, changed our national policy, and ended careers.

这封信引发了四项政府调查，改变了我们的国家政策，并结束了职业生涯。

It's hurt some of the country's most vulnerable children.

它伤害了该国一些最弱势的儿童。

A letter that many people who've seen it agree is ridiculous.

许多看过的人都同意这封信很荒谬。

It's unsigned, undated.

它没有署名，也没有日期。

Hardeep It didn't look like a serious document, did it?

Hardeep：它看起来不像是一份严肃的文件，是吗？

It just seemed comical.

这看起来很滑稽。

Like, what the hell is this?

就像，这到底是什么？

I remember looking at it for some time, thinking, what on Earth is this?

我记得我看着它有一段时间，心想，这到底是什么？

The infamous letter, was it written on parchment, in blood?

那封臭名昭著的信，是用血写在羊皮纸上的吗？

So you're presenting me with a document that turned our lives upside down.

所以你向我提交了一份文件，它彻底改变了我们的生活。

I first learned of the letter in 2014.

我第一次知道这封信是在 2014 年。

I wasn't a journalist then.

那时我还不是记者。

I was a doctor who'd quit medicine, living in Birmingham, England, making my breakfast at 1:00 PM, listening to the news, when I heard about the discovery of a secret communiqué between Muslim extremists.

我是一名放弃医学的医生，住在英国伯明翰，下午 1:00 一边做早餐，一边听新闻，这时我听说发现了穆斯林极端分子之间的秘密公报。

They were discussing a plot to infiltrate our city schools and run them on strict Islamic principles, potentially with the aim of radicalizing students.

他们正在讨论渗透到我们城市学校并按照严格的伊斯兰原则管理学校的阴谋，其潜在目的是使学生变得激进。

Someone had forwarded the letter anonymously to the local government, the Birmingham City Council, but it was missing the first and last page.

有人将这封信匿名转发给当地政府伯明翰市议会，但缺少第一页和最后一页。

So it was unknown exactly who wrote it or who they were sending it to.

因此，不知道到底是谁写的，也不知道他们要发送给谁。

According to the intercepted pages, the plot had a code name, Operation Trojan Horse.

根据截获的页面，该阴谋的代号为“特洛伊木马行动”。

I have to admit, when this story about Muslims in Birmingham first broke, as a Muslim in Birmingham, I was alarmed.

我不得不承认，当这个关于伯明翰穆斯林的故事第一次被曝光时，作为伯明翰的穆斯林，我感到震惊。

It sounded possible.

听起来有可能。

Kids across Britain, across Europe, were flying off to Syria to join this group called ISIS.

英国和欧洲各地的孩子们纷纷飞往叙利亚加入这个名为“伊斯兰国”的组织。

And Birmingham has been home to quite a few terrorists.

伯明翰一直是不少恐怖分子的家园。

My neighbor was a terrorist, the guy who killed five people and then tried to run into Parliament with a knife.

我的邻居是一名恐怖分子，他杀了五人，然后试图持刀冲进议会。

He did his planning in a flat above the Persian restaurant across the street from me.

他在我街对面波斯餐厅楼上的一套公寓里进行了他的计划。

So I wasn't surprised, watching, as over the next several months Operation Trojan Horse snowballed into a huge national story.

因此，我并不感到惊讶，在接下来的几个月里，特洛伊木马行动如滚雪球般发展成为一个巨大的全国性故事。

A number of schools in Birmingham have been infiltrated by hard-line Muslims.

伯明翰的许多学校已被强硬派穆斯林渗透。

Radical Muslims-- Hamza Syed Headlines like "Islamist Plot," "Jihadist Plot."

激进穆斯林——哈姆扎·赛义德的头条新闻如“伊斯兰阴谋”、“圣战阴谋”。

Alleging a conspiracy by-- Hamza Syed And the government responded with full force.

指控哈姆扎·赛义德 (Hamza Syed) 阴谋，政府全力回应。

The prime minister got involved, convening his cabinet to discuss the threat.

总理介入，召集内阁讨论这一威胁。

The national government sent in a bunch of investigators, including Scotland Yard's former head of counterterrorism, to look into two dozen schools in majority Muslim areas of Birmingham.

国家政府派出了一批调查人员，其中包括苏格兰场前反恐负责人，调查伯明翰穆斯林占多数地区的两打学校。

Like I say, it was all very frightening.

就像我说的，这一切都非常可怕。

Until a few months later, when the various investigators finally started reporting their findings.

直到几个月后，各个调查人员终于开始报告他们的发现。

They'd found no plot called Operation Trojan Horse.

他们没有发现名为“特洛伊木马行动”的阴谋。

They'd seen no signs that anyone had been radicalized and no evidence of violence or planned violence.

他们没有看到任何人变得激进的迹象，也没有看到暴力或有计划的暴力的证据。

They didn't bring any terror charges against anyone working at the schools they'd looked into.

他们没有对在他们调查的学校工作的任何人提出任何恐怖指控。

But despite all of that, despite finding no plot, investigators still concluded that Muslims had influenced the schools in a dangerous way.

但尽管如此，尽管没有发现阴谋，调查人员仍然得出结论，穆斯林以危险的方式影响了学校。

Government officials snapped into action.

政府官员迅速采取行动。

Things that should not have happened in our schools were allowed to happen.

不应该在我们学校发生的事情却被允许发生。

Our children were exposed to things they should not have been exposed to.

我们的孩子接触到了他们不应该接触到的东西。

The fallout has been huge.

后果是巨大的。

Prime Minister David Cameron, as we said, is calling a special meeting of the--

正如我们所说，戴维·卡梅伦首相正在召集一次特别会议——

Officials removed educators, revamped schools, and renamed them.

官员们撤换了教育工作者，对学校进行了改造，并重新命名。

They mandated all schools in the country start teaching what they termed "British values," to make kids less susceptible to extremist ideas.

他们要求全国所有学校开始教授他们所谓的“英国价值观”，以减少孩子们受到极端主义思想的影响。

They beefed up Britain's counter-extremism laws by making public sector workers like teachers and doctors part of the state surveillance apparatus, to now inform on their co-workers and students and patients.

他们加强了英国的反极端主义法律，让教师和医生等公共部门工作人员成为国家监视机构的一部分，现在可以向他们的同事、学生和病人通报情况。

Today, the prevailing narrative of the Trojan Horse affair is that a bunch of Muslims were up to no good.

如今，关于特洛伊木马事件的普遍说法是，一群穆斯林不怀好意。

There is another version of the story though.

不过这个故事还有另一个版本。

That version of the Trojan Horse Affair is that nothing happened.

那个版本的特洛伊木马事件就是什么也没发生。

That these bearded Brown educators were set up.

这些留着胡子的布朗教育工作者是被陷害的。

And the nation fell for it.

整个国家都为之倾倒。

And it's always seemed to me that there's a simple way to figure out what really happened-- the letter.

在我看来，有一种简单的方法可以弄清楚到底发生了什么——这封信。

Even with all the government inquiries, no authority, none of the investigators ever figured out who wrote it.

即使政府进行了所有调查，没有权威，没有一个调查人员弄清楚是谁写的。

Remarkably, none of them even tried.

值得注意的是，他们甚至没有人尝试过。

And that, to me, seemed like a pretty glaring oversight.

对我来说，这似乎是一个非常明显的疏忽。

The reason the country was looking at these schools in suspicion, the reason they were investigating them at all, was because this dodgy letter showed up, portraying the people who worked there as nefarious plotters, claiming they were sneaking Islam into schools, like a Trojan Horse.

这个国家之所以对这些学校持怀疑态度，他们之所以对这些学校进行调查，是因为这封狡猾的信出现了，它将在那里工作的人描绘成邪恶的阴谋者，声称他们像特洛伊木马一样将伊斯兰教偷偷带入学校。

The letter is what put the idea in authorities' heads.

这封信让当局萌生了这个想法。

So I didn't see how you could know what Operation Trojan Horse was or wasn't unless you got to the bottom of the Trojan Horse letter, who wrote it and why.

所以我不明白你如何知道特洛伊木马行动是什么或不是，除非你了解特洛伊木马信件的底部，谁写了它以及为什么。

A few years later, I decided to go to school for investigative journalism.

几年后，我决定去学校学习调查新闻。

But my professor wasn't completely sold on a story I wanted to report for my student project, Operation Trojan Horse.

但我的教授并没有完全接受我想为我的学生项目“特洛伊木马行动”报道的故事。

This was investigative journalism.

这是调查性新闻。

He wanted me to unearth something new, not rake over some years-old story.

他希望我发掘一些新的东西，而不是翻阅一些多年的故事。

As a doctor though, I'm familiar with the concept of a second opinion.

但作为一名医生，我熟悉第二意见的概念。

So the night before my master's was set to start, I went looking for one.

因此，在我的硕士课程开学的前一天晚上，我去寻找一个。

A doctor came to see me for a second opinion.

一位医生来找我寻求第二意见。

One night in fall of 2017, I'm in a theater in Birmingham.

2017 年秋天的一个晚上，我在伯明翰的一家剧院。

After my podcast S-Town came out, I went around doing some Q&As.

我的播客 S-Town 发布后，我四处做了一些问答。

Afterwards, people will sometimes come backstage to chat.

之后，有时会有人到后台聊天。

And so, this guy comes in, introduces himself as Hamza Syed.

所以，这个人进来了，介绍自己是哈姆扎·赛义德。

He said he was changing careers to become a reporter.

他说他正在转行成为一名记者。

He was beginning a master's program in investigative journalism the next day, actually.

事实上，他第二天就开始了调查新闻学的硕士课程。

And he wanted some advice.

他想要一些建议。

He was speaking fast, like I might walk away at any moment.

他语速很快，就像我随时可能走开一样。

To be fair, I was told that I had 5 minutes with Brian Reed, after which I'd be escorted out of the building.

公平地说，我被告知我有 5 分钟的时间与 Brian Reed 交谈，之后我将被护送出大楼。

I did not know that.

我不知道。

Anyway, Hamza ran through the Trojan Horse story for me, elevator-pitch style.

不管怎样，哈姆扎以电梯推销的方式为我讲述了特洛伊木马的故事。

I'd never heard of it.

我从来没有听说过。

But a guy I was with backstage, a producer I know from the BBC, he had.

但我在后台认识的一个人，一位我在 BBC 认识的制片人，他做到了。

And he jumped in as Hamza was talking.

当哈姆扎说话时，他插话了。

Yeah, yeah, Trojan Horse, he said.

是啊，是啊，特洛伊木马，他说。

That was a big thing a while ago.

不久前那是一件大事。

Some bad stuff went down.

一些不好的东西就下来了。

Muslim educators had been up to no good.

穆斯林教育工作者没有做任何好事。

But it was cleared up.

但事情已经被澄清了。

Old story.

老故事了。

There was something Hamza said though, which afterwards I couldn't get out of my head.

但哈姆扎说了一些话，后来我就无法从我的脑海中抹去。

He kept talking about a letter which had set off this whole cascade of consequences whose origins were still a mystery.

他一直在谈论一封信，这封信引发了这一系列后果，其起源仍然是个谜。

So when I got home to New York, I read the letter.

所以当我回到纽约的家中时，我读了这封信。

It looked like a caricature of a missive between two terrorists, filled with Islamophobic tropes about conniving and scheming Muslims.

它看起来像是两个恐怖分子之间的一封信件的漫画，充满了关于纵容和策划穆斯林的仇视伊斯兰教的比喻。

It's missing pages.

缺页了。

Parts of it are too dark to read, like it got jammed in the Xerox machine.

它的某些部分太暗而无法阅读，就像它被卡在施乐机器中一样。

It instructs the recipient to destroy it after reading.

它指示收件人在阅读后销毁它。

It struck me as a funky document for a government to take seriously, especially because, from what I read, the government hadn't even looked into who wrote the letter or why.

我觉得这是一份值得政府认真对待的时髦文件，特别是因为，从我读到的情况看，政府甚至没有调查是谁写的这封信或为什么写的。

There was a strange lack of curiosity about this instigating document.

奇怪的是，人们对这份煽动性的文件缺乏好奇心。

I thought to myself, seems like somebody should try to figure out who wrote that thing.

我心想，似乎应该有人尝试找出是谁写的那件事。

And then I thought, well, wait, this journalism student's doing that.

然后我想，好吧，等等，这个新闻专业的学生正在这样做。

Maybe I ought to give him a hand.

也许我应该帮他一把。

And here we are years later, at the end of a dizzying, farcical, and enraging investigation, in which one mystery led to another, led to another, tracing this letter's path of destruction across multiple continents--

多年后，我们在一场令人眼花缭乱、滑稽而令人愤怒的调查结束时，一个谜团引发了另一个谜团，又引发了另一个谜团，追踪了这封信在多个大陆的毁灭之路——

--in defiance of many unhappy officials and some aggressive attempts to shut our reporting down.

——无视许多不满的官员和一些阻止我们报道的激进企图。

From Serial Productions and The New York Times, I'm Brian Reed.

我是 Serial Productions 和《纽约时报》的布莱恩·里德 (Brian Reed)。

I'm Hamza Syed.

我是哈姆扎·赛义德。

Brian Reed Presenting to you the most elaborate student project ever, this is The Trojan Horse Affair.

布莱恩·里德 (Brian Reed) 向您展示有史以来最详尽的学生项目，这就是“特洛伊木马事件”。

I got the call from Brian while I was in class.

我在上课时接到布莱恩的电话。

My phone started ringing from a New York number.

我的电话开始响起来自纽约的号码。

I asked my professor if I could take it.

我问我的教授我是否可以接受。

He said no. I asked if I could go use a toilet.

他说不。我问我是否可以去厕所。

He said yes.

他说是的。

I answered.

我回答道。

And Brian told me he wanted in on my investigation, but that I would need a producer.

布莱恩告诉我他想参与我的调查，但我需要一名制片人。

I said, yeah, sure, all casual.

我说，是的，当然，都很随意。

I had no idea what a producer did.

我不知道制片人是做什么的。

Soon, he started getting in touch, with missions for me to complete.

很快，他开始联系我，并给我提供任务。

The first one, he'd secured a recorder for me in Birmingham and said there was something I had to do.

第一个，他在伯明翰为我找到了一台录音机，并说我必须做点什么。

It was supposed to be a basic, bread-and-butter assignment, go record a meeting.

这应该是一项基本的、最基本的任务，去记录会议。

Hamza had seen an event advertised called Trojan Horse, the Facts, where some of the educators who'd been accused of carrying out the plot would be speaking publicly.

哈姆扎看到了一个名为“特洛伊木马事实”的活动广告，其中一些被指控实施该阴谋的教育工作者将公开发表讲话。

They insisted the Trojan Horse Affair was just an Islamophobic stitch-up.

他们坚称特洛伊木马事件只是伊斯兰恐惧症的缝合。

The event hashtag was #TrojanHoax.

该事件的主题标签是#TrojanHoax。

And they were trying to clear their names.

他们正试图洗清自己的罪名。

They'd never gotten their lives back on track after the story had died down.

故事平息后，他们的生活再也没有回到正轨。

They'd lost their jobs and been made into pariahs by the national media.

他们失去了工作，并被国家媒体视为贱民。

But afterwards, Hamza calls me and says when he showed up at the spot, a community center, at 5:00 PM, the receptionist told him--

但后来，哈姆扎打电话给我，说当他下午 5:00 出现在社区中心现场时，接待员告诉他——

It's been canceled.

已经取消了。

The event's been canceled.

该活动已取消。

Did they give you any-- well, wait.

他们给你了吗——好吧，等等。

Did they give you any other information?

他们给了你任何其他信息吗？

Like, what--

就像，什么——

No. They just said it's been canceled.

不，他们只是说已经取消了。

And that was it.

就是这样。

I said, no, this is-- you know, I spoke to the event organizer a few days ago.

我说，不，这是——你知道，几天前我和活动组织者谈过。

They said, yeah, it got canceled today.

他们说，是的，今天取消了。

So I felt like an idiot, to be honest.

所以说实话，我觉得自己像个白痴。

Because I'm standing there with this big mic stand that looks like a fishing rod.

因为我站在那里，拿着一个看起来像钓鱼竿的大麦克风支架。

I got my box of equipment.

我拿到了我的装备箱。

This can't be a good omen, I thought, to mess up your first journalism assignment.

我想，如果你搞砸了你的第一份新闻工作，这可不是什么好兆头。

But then more people started showing up, confused like me.

但后来越来越多的人开始出现，和我一样困惑。

Until a man in one of those safety vests swings around the corner, tells us to follow him, and takes us up the street to a wedding hall where everyone was gathering instead.

直到一个穿着安全背心的男人在拐角处晃来晃去，告诉我们跟着他，然后带我们沿着街道来到一个婚礼大厅，那里每个人都聚集在一起。

It's a lot of people, maybe over 100.

人很多，大概有100多人。

And, as I explained to Brian, while I'm setting up the microphone--

而且，正如我向布莱恩解释的那样，当我设置麦克风时——

--I start catching all the whispers, in terms of what happened.

——我开始捕捉所有关于发生的事情的窃窃私语。

And it turned out that the original venue had received phone calls from the national newspapers, specifically this guy, Nick Timothy.

结果原来的会场接到了全国性报纸的电话，特别是这个家伙，尼克·蒂莫西。

He's like a reporter or a publisher?

他像记者还是出版商？

Or what is he?

或者说他是什么？

He's a columnist, I think, for The Telegraph.

我认为他是《电讯报》的专栏作家。

And not just any old columnist.

而且不仅仅是任何老专栏作家。

Nick Timothy used to be the chief of staff to the prime minister.

尼克·蒂莫西曾经是首相的幕僚长。

He was essentially Teresa May's right-hand man.

他本质上是特雷莎·梅的得力助手。

I spoke to the guy who ran the community center, who told me Nick Timothy had actually emailed, not called.

我和社区中心的负责人交谈过，他告诉我尼克·蒂莫西实际上是发了电子邮件，而不是打电话。

He wouldn't let me see the email.

他不让我看电子邮件。

But according to others at the meeting, the implication was, if you hold this event, I will associate you with extremists in the newspaper.

但据参加会议的其他人说，言下之意是，如果你举办这个活动，我会把你和报纸上的极端分子联系起来。

And the community center pulled the plug.

社区中心拔掉了插头。

Nick Timothy denies contacting the community center and says he doesn't know who did or what they said.

尼克·蒂莫西否认联系过社区中心，并表示他不知道是谁干的，也不知道他们说了什么。

But he wrote a triumphant column about the planned meeting which I'd missed because I was on YouTube all day watching instructional videos on how to use my recorder, in which he noted, quote, "When the Daily Telegraph discovered this and contacted the owners of the venue, they rightly cancelled it." He went on to suggest the event organizers were extremists and described the proposed meeting as, quote, "a shocking attempt to deny the Trojan Horse scandal," and, quote, "the people behind the Trojan Horse are trying to do it all over again, and right under our noses."

但他写了一篇关于计划中的会议的胜利专栏，我错过了，因为我整天在 YouTube 上观看如何使用录音机的教学视频，他在其中指出，引用，“当《每日电讯报》发现这一点并联系场地所有者时，他们正确地取消了会议。”他接着暗示活动组织者是极端分子，并将拟议的会议描述为“一次令人震惊的否认特洛伊木马丑闻的尝试”，并且“特洛伊木马背后的人正试图在我们眼皮子底下重蹈覆辙”。

[APPLAUSE] Announcer Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

[掌声] 播音员 女士们、先生们，晚上好。

And welcome to Trojan Horse or Hoax, the discussion and debate.

欢迎来到特洛伊木马或骗局的讨论和辩论。

So here they were, the teachers and school volunteers allegedly behind Operation Trojan Horse, along with their defenders, academics and activists and an educational barrister and a union leader, packed in this wedding hall instead.

所以，他们——据称是特洛伊木马行动幕后黑手的教师和学校志愿者，以及他们的捍卫者、学者和活动人士、一名教育律师和一名工会领袖——挤在了这个婚礼大厅里。

I am really, really concerned that simply holding a public open meeting like this becomes controversial.

我真的非常担心，仅仅举行这样的公开公开会议就会引起争议。

Just the fact we are holding this meeting seems to be an act of resistance right now.

我们召开这次会议现在看来就是一种抵抗行为。

The people at this meeting called for an inquiry to correct the record on the Trojan Horse affair.

与会人士呼吁进行调查，纠正有关特洛伊木马事件的记录。

They believed the government had set them up.

他们相信是政府陷害他们的。

So the fact that a former chief of staff to the prime minister, Nick Timothy, went out of his way to attack a grassroots event at a community center years after the Trojan Horse Affair, it just reinforced their suspicion-- and mine, quite honestly-- that there was something dodgy that authorities were still keen to hide.

因此，特洛伊木马事件发生数年后，前总理幕僚长尼克·蒂莫西（Nick Timothy）不遗余力地攻击了社区中心的一次草根活动，这一事实进一步加深了他们的怀疑——老实说，我也是如此——当局仍然热衷于隐瞒一些狡猾的事情。

And then it was like a witch hunt.

然后这就像一场政治迫害。

Heads were rolling this way and that way.

人们的头滚来滚去，滚来滚去。

Hamza sent me the recording of the meeting.

哈姆扎向我发送了会议录音。

I listened to it.

我听了。

And I was interested to hear that one of the people who got on stage and spoke was the man named repeatedly in the Trojan Horse letter as the mastermind of Operation Trojan Horse, the plot's alleged ringleader, a longtime school volunteer named Tahir Alam.

我很感兴趣的是，其中一位上台发言的人就是特洛伊木马信件中多次提到的特洛伊木马行动的策划者，据称是该阴谋的头目，一位名叫塔希尔·阿拉姆（Tahir Alam）的长期学校志愿者。

I've never been a danger to anyone.

我从来没有对任何人构成危险。

I've never hurt anyone.

我从来没有伤害过任何人。

I've never had any police case against me or anything of the kind.

我从来没有遇到过任何针对我的警察案件或类似的事情。

I wasn't running a plot.

我没有策划阴谋。

We are very proud of what we did in these schools.

我们对我们在这些学校所做的事情感到非常自豪。

I do not regret nor apologize for anything that I've done.

我对我所做的一切不后悔也不道歉。

There was nothing clandestine, hidden, or sinister about what we were doing.

我们所做的事情没有任何秘密、隐藏或险恶之处。

We were very open and very transparent.

我们非常开放、非常透明。

So when I landed in Birmingham to begin reporting, that's who we decided to go to first, Tahir Alam.

因此，当我抵达伯明翰开始报道时，我们决定首先去找塔希尔·阿拉姆。

We figured, we're looking to find the source of this mysterious letter.

我们想，我们正在寻找这封神秘信件的来源。

Might as well start with the guy it outed as an extremist plotter.

不妨从被揭露为极端主义策划者的那个人开始。

Is this about to be the first radio interview you've ever done?

这将是您第一次接受广播采访吗？

Yeah.

是的。

I need to be schooled beforehand, mate.

我需要提前接受教育，伙计。

Well, I mean, if this is me flying solo, I would be like, well, whatever.

好吧，我的意思是，如果这是我独自飞行，我会说，好吧，无论如何。

I'll just do it my style, you know.

我会按照我的风格来做，你知道。

But this is--

但这是——

And what is your style?

你的风格是什么？

Do you have a style?

你有风格吗？

But I have an idea in my head of what my style could be.

但我心里对我的风格有一个想法。

I think you're a lot more sensitive than I am, put it that way.

我认为你比我敏感得多，这么说吧。

Do you know what I mean?

你知道我的意思吗？

Like, you're--

就像，你是——

I'm the more sensitive one?

是我比较敏感吗？

Hamza Syed I think so.

哈姆扎·赛义德 我想是的。

Don't you think so?

你不这么认为吗？

I don't know.

我不知道。

I don't know you that well.

我不太了解你。

[DOORBELL] Hamza Syed Salaam, Tahir, salaam.

[门铃] 哈姆扎·赛义德·萨拉姆，塔希尔，萨拉姆。

Hello.

你好。

Brian Reed Ill-fitting button-down shirt, khakis.

Brian Reed 不合身的系扣衬衫，卡其裤。

This room?

这个房间？

Brian Reed We kick off our shoes.

布莱恩·里德 我们脱掉鞋子。

He shows us to a room at the front of his place.

他带我们去了他家前面的一个房间。

Sorry you have to sit on slightly uncomfortable chairs there.

抱歉，您必须坐在稍微不舒服的椅子上。

Hamza and I squeeze behind two school desks meant for children.

哈姆扎和我挤在两张儿童课桌后面。

There are protractors lying around, a whiteboard with sketches of geometric shapes, a creative writing workbook titled "Descriptosaurus." Tahir's converted this room from his garage into a tiny makeshift classroom, where it appears he tutor students quietly.

周围有量角器、带有几何形状草图的白板、一本名为“描述龙”的创意写作手册。塔希尔将这个房间从他的车库改造成一个小型的临时教室，他似乎在那里安静地辅导学生。

Because one result of the Trojan Horse letter is that the government has banned him from ever volunteering or working officially in schools again.

因为特洛伊木马信的结果之一是政府禁止他再次在学校做志愿者或正式工作。

Tahir's in front of us in his office chair, confident, erudite, framed by his bookshelf filled with texts about Islam and British history.

塔希尔坐在我们面前的办公椅上，自信而博学，书架上摆满了有关伊斯兰教和英国历史的书籍。

I pull a copy of the letter out of my backpack.

我从背包里拿出这封信的副本。

You know, it's a completely anonymous letter, undated, claiming that there is a plot to take over and Islamize the schools in Birmingham, led by Tahir Alam, which is myself.

你知道，这是一封完全匿名的信，没有注明日期，声称有一个阴谋接管伯明翰的学校并将其伊斯兰化，其领导者是塔希尔·阿拉姆（Tahir Alam），也就是我本人。

But I speak from a vantage point where I actually know the truth.

但我是从我真正了解真相的角度说的。

I know the reality.

我知道现实。

Tahir denies being an extremist.

塔希尔否认自己是极端分子。

He denies engineering a plot.

他否认策划阴谋。

He says the reality is that, rather than corrupting schools as a radical conspirator, he, a first generation immigrant from a poor Pakistani family, was responsible for one of the most miraculous school turnarounds in British education.

他说，现实情况是，作为来自巴基斯坦贫困家庭的第一代移民，他并没有作为一个激进的阴谋家来破坏学校，而是促成了英国教育界最奇迹般的学校扭转局面。

Until, he says, the letter arrived and destroyed him.

他说，直到这封信到达并摧毁了他。

The story of this turnaround, it's not a secret.

这次逆转的故事，已经不是什么秘密了。

It's one Tahir shared with journalists before, not that it's done much good, in terms of clearing his name.

这是塔希尔之前与记者分享过的一件事，但在为他洗清罪名方面，这并没有起到多大作用。

But this back story does explain why the Trojan Horse letter was so persuasive.

但这个背景故事确实解释了为什么特洛伊木马信件如此有说服力。

Because, Tahir told us, some of what was in that letter was true.

因为，塔希尔告诉我们，那封信中的一些内容是真实的。

Tahir begins the story one night in 1993 when he's watching TV, and a show caught his attention.

故事从 1993 年的一个晚上开始，当时他正在看电视，一档节目引起了他的注意。

I just happened to be just lying on the sofa, really, and the program came on.

我只是碰巧躺在沙发上，真的，节目就开始了。

It was a documentary, part of the BBC series, Panorama.

这是一部纪录片，属于 BBC 系列《全景》的一部分。

9 times out of 10, I would switch to something else.

十有八九，我会换成别的东西。

But I was just sitting there and I started watching.

但我只是坐在那里，开始观看。

Britain's new underclass is Asian and it's Muslim.

英国的新下层阶级是亚洲人，而且是穆斯林。

A once tightly knit community is now in crisis, with drug abuse, crime, and family breakdown on the increase.

一个曾经紧密团结的社区现在陷入危机，吸毒、犯罪和家庭破裂不断增加。

And the title of this documentary was Underclass in Purdah.

这部纪录片的标题是《深闺下层阶级》。

In tonight's Panorama, we investigate an underclass in Purdah.

在今晚的全景节目中，我们调查了深闺中的下层阶级。

Purdah meaning cover, meaning a veil, if you like.

Purdah 意思是遮盖，如果你愿意的话，意思是面纱。

"Underclass in the Veil," yeah?

“面纱中的下层阶级”，是吗？

In tonight's program, we lift the veil on this new underclass.

在今晚的节目中，我们将揭开这个新下层阶级的面纱。

A report from the--

一份报告来自——

The documentary opens with shots of Brown men skulking around dark cobblestone streets in a Muslim neighborhood, in what the correspondent calls the Muslim ghetto.

这部纪录片以棕色人种在穆斯林社区黑暗的鹅卵石街道上潜行的镜头开始，记者将其称为穆斯林贫民窟。

At night, it doubles as the local red-light district.

到了晚上，它又成为当地的红灯区。

[SIREN] It's a seedy world of vice and illicit drug dealing.

[SIREN] 这是一个充斥着罪恶和非法毒品交易的肮脏世界。

Lurking in the shadows is a new Manningham phenomenon, the Pakistani pimp.

潜伏在阴影中的是一种新的曼宁汉现象：巴基斯坦皮条客。

He's like a regular pimp, but in a kurta.

他就像一个普通的皮条客，但穿着无领长袍。

Part of the documentary takes place in Tahir's neighborhood in Birmingham, called Alum Rock, on the east side of the city.

纪录片的一部分发生在伯明翰塔希尔的社区，称为明矾岩，位于城市东侧。

It's one of the poorest areas in England, and it's majority Pakistani and Muslim.

它是英格兰最贫穷的地区之一，大部分人口是巴基斯坦人和穆斯林。

If you're not from Birmingham and you're not Brown, you may have heard that Alum Rock is a great place to find a terrorist.

如果您不是来自伯明翰，也不是布朗，您可能听说明矾岩是寻找恐怖分子的好地方。

If you're not from Birmingham and you are Brown, you'll have heard Alum Rock is a great place to find a wedding dress.

如果您不是来自伯明翰，而且您是棕色人种，您会听说 Alum Rock 是寻找婚纱的好地方。

Admittedly, this BBC documentary is racist in a '90s TV kind of way.

不可否认，这部 BBC 纪录片带有 90 年代电视风格的种族主义色彩。

But it had a big impact on Tahir because, amidst the awkward Brown gazing, some truly sobering facts emerge.

但这对塔希尔产生了很大的影响，因为在布朗尴尬的凝视中，一些真正发人深省的事实出现了。

The presenter reports that Pakistani Muslims are incarcerated at disproportionately high rates.

主持人报道称，巴基斯坦穆斯林的监禁率高得不成比例。

She says they have some of the highest rates of joblessness.

她说，他们是失业率最高的地区之一。

They're suffering from devastating health issues, terrible housing, domestic violence, with one underlying cause of it all, a lack of education.

他们遭受着毁灭性的健康问题、糟糕的住房、家庭暴力，而这一切的根本原因之一就是缺乏教育。

This is the number I found more shocking.

这是我觉得更震惊的数字。

About 20% of white students were leaving school without any qualifications, meaning they failed to pass exams that would essentially be the equivalent of a high school diploma in the US.

大约 20% 的白人学生在没有任何资格的情况下离开学校，这意味着他们未能通过基本上相当于美国高中文凭的考试。

And that rate, 20%, was roughly the same for most people of color as well.

对于大多数有色人种来说，20% 的比例也大致相同。

But for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, an astonishing 50% hold no qualifications whatsoever.

但对于巴基斯坦人和孟加拉国人来说，惊人的 50% 的人根本不具备任何资格。

50%, half of us, were basically failing school.

50%，即我们一半的人，基本上学业不及格。

That hit Tahir hard.

这对塔希尔打击很大。

That the extent of education failure was so bad that we were at risk of creating an underclass of Muslims who were basically uneducated, prone to crime and unemployment.

教育失败的程度如此严重，以至于我们面临着形成穆斯林下层阶级的风险，他们基本上没有受过教育，容易犯罪和失业。

So I kind of sat there, and it made me feel guilty, actually.

所以我坐在那里，实际上这让我感到内疚。

Guilt because I was one of the few people who made it-- from my family, one of the first ones to make it into university and to have a good job, and so on.

我感到内疚，因为我是少数成功的人之一——来自我的家庭，是第一批进入大学并找到一份好工作的人之一，等等。

But there was also a sense of humiliation, really, because I was from this community.

但实际上，我也有一种羞辱感，因为我来自这个社区。

Tahir's family brought him to England in the '70s when lots of people from Kashmir were moving here, largely because the British designed this huge dam that flooded swaths of land and displaced tens of thousands of people.

上世纪 70 年代，塔希尔的家人把他带到了英国，当时许多克什米尔人搬到了这里，很大程度上是因为英国设计了这座巨大的水坝，淹没了大片土地，导致数万人流离失所。

And one solution the Brits got behind was to invite displaced Pakistanis over to England so they could improve the British economy by working in British factories and mills.

英国人提出的解决方案之一是邀请流离失所的巴基斯坦人到英国，这样他们就可以通过在英国工厂和工厂工作来改善英国经济。

Which is what Tahir's dad did.

塔希尔的父亲就是这么做的。

Tahir arrived in England as a nine-year-old who didn't speak any English and wouldn't become fluent for several years.

塔希尔九岁时来到英国，他不会说任何英语，而且有好几年都不会说一口流利的英语。

I knew one word of English only, which was F-O-R-D.

我只懂一个英语单词，那就是 F-O-R-D。

I mean, I don't know X-Y-Z, but I know F-O-R-D.

我的意思是，我不知道 X-Y-Z，但我知道 F-O-R-D。

That's it.

就是这样。

I can relate.

我能体会到。

I couldn't speak any English when I first came here.

我第一次来这里时不会说英语。

All right.

好的。

Hamza Syed I couldn't even speak "Ford." I was just, like, mute.

Hamza Syed 我什至不会说“福特”。我只是，就像，沉默。

"Football," that's what I knew, "football."

“足球”，这就是我所知道的，“足球”。

That's right.

这是正确的。

So that's how you arrived here.

这就是你到达这里的方式。

And the first school, when I came here, we arrived--

第一所学校，当我来到这里时，我们到达了——

--potentially the biggest ethnic group in the country is growing up angry and alienated from white society.

——这个国家最大的族群可能是在愤怒和与白人社会的疏远中长大的。

Now Tahir watched as the documentary captured the next generation, Pakistani kids who were born in Britain, being educated in state schools, still struggling to read, not able to recall basic English words.

现在，塔希尔看到这部纪录片捕捉到了下一代的巴基斯坦孩子，他们出生在英国，在公立学校接受教育，但仍难以阅读，无法记住基本的英语单词。

The camera cuts to a park in Birmingham.

镜头切到伯明翰的一个公园。

It looked to Tahir like Ward End Park, which is right across from where he went to school in Alum Rock.

在塔希尔看来，它就像沃德恩德公园，就在他在明矾岩上学的地方对面。

I recognized the park because we used to go and play there.

我认出了这个公园，因为我们过去常常去那里玩。

And then I saw some children.

然后我看到了一些孩子。

And I said, oh, that's our neighbors' children.

我说，哦，那是我们邻居的孩子。

I recognized the kids, yeah, even though it was from a distance.

我认出了孩子们，是的，尽管距离很远。

But I recognized who the kids are.

但我认出了孩子们是谁。

We filmed an encounter with two Asian lads in a park in a Muslim quarter of Birmingham.

我们在伯明翰穆斯林区的一个公园里拍摄了两个亚洲小伙子的遭遇。

These Asian lads-- we use "Asian" to mean South Asian, by the way-- they're skipping school.

这些亚洲小伙子——顺便说一句，我们用“亚洲人”来指南亚人——他们正在逃学。

And Tahir knew which school they were skipping.

塔希尔知道他们要跳过哪所学校。

It's the one he'd gone to as a kid, right next to that park, Park View School, another majority-Muslim school with miserable academic results.

这是他小时候上过的学校，就在那个公园旁边，帕克维尤学校，另一所以穆斯林为主的学校，学业成绩很差。

It's a secondary school, ages 11 to 16.

这是一所中学，年龄为11至16岁。

It was a school where Tahir had done well enough to make it to college and then university before getting a good job in telecommunications.

塔希尔在这所学校表现出色，进入了大学，然后在电信行业找到了一份好工作。

The documentary made him realize how rare his success was and how little he'd done with it.

这部纪录片让他意识到他的成功是多么罕见，而他对此所做的却是多么少。

So Tahir decided to do something.

所以塔希尔决定做点什么。

He started a tutoring program for kids in the neighborhood.

他为附近的孩子们启动了一个辅导项目。

But what he was really interested in was volunteering at his old school, Park View, on what's known as their governing body.

但他真正感兴趣的是在他的母校 Park View 的管理机构做志愿者。

In England, a governing body oversees how a school is run, like a corporate board does a company.

在英国，管理机构负责监督学校的运营方式，就像公司董事会负责公司一样。

It's sort of like a school board in the US, except it's specific to one school.

它有点像美国的学校董事会，只不过它是针对一所学校的。

They can have a lot of influence.

他们可以产生很大的影响。

So anyway, Tahir says one afternoon a couple of Park View parents he didn't know knocked on his door.

不管怎样，塔希尔说，有一天下午，一对他不认识的公园景观家长敲了他的门。

We hear you're interested in becoming a governor, they said.

他们说，我们听说你有兴趣成为州长。

It was like they'd read his mind.

就好像他们读懂了他的想法。

Though, actually, Tahir had been talking about wanting to be a governor at a recent wedding, and these parents got wind of it.

不过，实际上，塔希尔在最近的一场婚礼上一直在谈论想成为一名州长，这些父母都听到了风声。

Resentment and frustration had been festering for years among parents in Alum Rock, who'd been trying and trying to get the authorities to do something about the dismal schools.

明矾岩家长们的怨恨和沮丧情绪多年来一直在蔓延，他们一直在努力让当局对这些惨淡的学校采取一些措施。

These parents at Tahir's door had joined the Park View governing body in an attempt to make a change.

塔希尔家门口的这些家长加入了公园景观管理机构，试图做出改变。

But they didn't speak fluent English and hadn't gone to university.

但他们英语说得不流利，也没有上过大学。

Tahir was a professional with a degree who still lived in the neighborhood.

塔希尔是一位拥​​有学位的专业人士，仍然住在附近。

We'd love to propose you, they told him.

他们告诉他，我们很乐意向你求婚。

And with that, Tahir found himself at the next governing body meeting of Park View School, being voted in not only as a member but as the chair.

就这样，塔希尔发现自己参加了帕克维尤学校的下一次管理机构会议，不仅被选为成员，而且被选为主席。

So that's when I became a governor, on the 7th of January, 1997.

就在那时，我于 1997 年 1 月 7 日成为州长。

You remember the date?

你还记得日期吗？

Tahir Alam Yeah, well, I was to remain there for 18 years.

Tahir Alam：是的，我要在那里待 18 年。

When Tahir started, Park View was one of the worst secondary schools in the country.

塔希尔入学时，帕克维尤中学是全国最差的中学之一。

Only 4% of students were passing, 4%.

只有4%的学生通过了，4%。

The National School Inspection Agency had recently placed the school into special measures, the lowest possible ranking, an emergency status, basically, meaning Park View was in danger of being shut down.

国家学校检查机构最近将这所学校置于特殊措施，排名最低，紧急状态，基本上意味着 Park View 面临被关闭的危险。

There were brawls breaking out in the schoolyard.

校园里发生了斗殴事件。

On a tour of the building, Tahir saw vandalized bathrooms with stalls missing locks and toilets missing seats.

在参观这座大楼时，塔希尔看到浴室遭到破坏，隔间没有锁，厕所也没有座位。

But where Tahir really trained his focus was on the complacent teachers and administrators.

但塔希尔真正训练的重点是那些自满的教师和管理人员。

We initially just started by saying that, obviously, children should be achieving higher, that the achievement was not acceptable, and the fact that the school was to blame for the failure.

我们一开始只是说，显然，孩子们应该取得更高的成绩，但这种成绩是不可接受的，而学校应对失败负有责任。

This statement, so obvious to Tahir, that the kids in Alum Rock were as capable as kids anywhere, was met with massive resistance.

明矾岩的孩子们和任何地方的孩子一样有能力，这一说法对塔希尔来说是显而易见的，但遭到了巨大的抵制。

It was very difficult getting the school to accept that they were the problem.

让学校承认他们是问题所在是非常困难的。

People didn't want to accept that because they'd been blaming the community for maybe two decades.

人们不想接受这一点，因为他们可能已经责怪社区二十年了。

They had such a low expectation of children.

他们对孩子的期望很低。

One thing Tahir noticed early on was that the staff of this school with nearly 90% Pakistani students had only one full-time Pakistani Muslim teacher.

塔希尔很早就注意到的一件事是，这所拥有近90%巴基斯坦学生的学校的教职员工中只有一名全职巴基斯坦穆斯林教师。

So Tahir begin searching for more Muslim staff and governors.

因此塔希尔开始寻找更多的穆斯林工作人员和州长。

He gave presentations, held workshops.

他发表演讲，举办研讨会。

He became a fixture at events around East Birmingham, standing behind his little table or booth, evangelizing for people to get involved in their local schools.

他成为东伯明翰各地活动的常客，站在他的小桌子或摊位后面，向人们传福音，让他们参与当地的学校。

I loved it.

我喜欢它。

[LAUGHS] I loved it with the children because I felt as though I could make a difference.

[笑]我喜欢和孩子们在一起，因为我觉得我可以有所作为。

This is Moz Hussain, the first Muslim teacher Tahir hired.

这是莫兹·侯赛因，塔希尔聘用的第一位穆斯林教师。

He taught math.

他教数学。

I could use my language, my background, my understanding of where they come from, to make a difference.

我可以利用我的语言、我的背景、我对他们来源的理解来做出改变。

I knew their families.

我认识他们的家人。

Moz can point to a specific moment, by the way, when he decided to go into teaching.

顺便说一句，莫兹可以指出他决定从事教学工作的一个特定时刻。

There was a Panorama program.

有一个全景节目。

It's called An Underclass in Purdah.

它被称为深闺下层阶级。

Powerful segment.

强大的段。

Hamza Syed Moz Hussain says from the very beginning he encountered serious prejudices among the mostly white staff.

哈姆扎·赛义德·莫兹·侯赛因 (Hamza Syed Moz Hussain) 表示，从一开始，他就遇到了以白人为主的员工中的严重偏见。

I had a group of children come to me.

有一群孩子来找我。

And they said, look, there's this one teacher in school.

他们说，看，学校里有一位老师。

He always calls us Pakis.

他总是称我们为巴基斯坦人。

He's calling us Pakis.

他叫我们巴基斯坦人。

He's doing it in a jokey way, but we find it offensive.

他以一种开玩笑的方式这样做，但我们觉得这很冒犯。

They're not able to tell anyone else, but they're telling me that, look, he's swearing at us.

他们无法告诉其他人，但他们告诉我，看，他在咒骂我们。

That's a slur in any context, but especially shocking for a teacher to say to Pakistani students.

这在任何情况下都是一种诽谤，但对于一名老师对巴基斯坦学生说的话尤其令人震惊。

Moz told them, I think the best thing to do, have your parents write the school.

莫兹告诉他们，我认为最好的办法是让你的父母写学校。

He talked them through the procedure for doing that, in case their parents didn't know.

他向他们讲述了这样做的程序，以防他们的父母不知道。

He says eventually the school looked into the teacher's behavior.

他说，最终学校调查了这名老师的行为。

And while they were investigating, he resigned.

在他们调查期间，他辞职了。

And he gave his final leaving speech in the staff room.

他在教职员室发表了最后的离职演讲。

And goes, it should be our culture dominant in this school, not the kids.

而且，这应该是我们的文化在这所学校占主导地位，而不是孩子们。

And he finished off with the words, the West is the best.

最后他说：西方是最好的。

And all teachers clapped.

所有老师都鼓掌。

All teachers clapped.

所有老师都鼓掌。

The racism was pervasive.

种族主义十分普遍。

Razwan Faraz, a former governor and math teacher, says at one of his first governing body meetings he was shown a list of places the students had been given work placements through a program at the school.

前州长兼数学老师拉兹万·法拉兹 (Razwan Faraz) 表示，在他的第一次理事会会议上，他看到了一份学生通过学校项目获得工作实习的地点清单。

And it was all restaurants, supermarkets, clothing stores.

都是餐馆、超市、服装店。

And there was no surgery, doctor surgery, or law firm, or anything like that.

没有手术、医生手术、律师事务所或类似的东西。

And I said, how is it that-- did the children decide these?

我说，这是怎么回事——孩子们决定了这些吗？

And Razwan says the vice chair told him--

拉兹万说副主席告诉他——

Well, their parents want them to go and become doctors, and engineers, and et cetera.

嗯，他们的父母希望他们成为医生、工程师等等。

But reality is, these kids will become taxi drivers, shopkeepers, so we've got to prepare them now.

但现实是，这些孩子将成为出租车司机、店主，所以我们现在就必须让他们做好准备。

And for a good while I was struggling to process what he was saying.

很长一段时间我都在努力理解他所说的话。

This is me, a Brown person, and a Muslim, and he's saying to me that they deserve to have these kind of jobs.

这就是我，一个棕色人种，一个穆斯林，他对我说他们应该得到这样的工作。

This is this community's role in society, basically.

基本上，这就是这个社区在社会中的角色。

That's right.

这是正确的。

John Brockley We just failed the kids.

约翰·布罗克利 我们只是让孩子们失望了。

We just failed the kids.

我们只是让孩子们失望了。

And didn't even feel bad about it.

而且甚至没有为此感到难过。

Didn't even-- we didn't.

甚至没有——我们没有。

Didn't even feel guilty.

甚至没有感到内疚。

John Brockley was one of the non-Muslim teachers at Park View.

约翰·布罗克利是公园景观学校的非穆斯林教师之一。

He was a math teacher who'd been there since the '80s.

他是一名数学老师，自 80 年代起就在那里。

He was frank with us about the bigotry that he and his colleagues held towards the students and their families.

他向我们坦诚地讲述了他和他的同事对学生及其家人的偏见。

We thought that we were a superior culture.

我们认为我们是一种优越的文化。

And we looked down.

我们往下看。

We looked down on these people who didn't know about education.

我们瞧不起这些不懂教育的人。

I'm talking about myself, but I'm also talking about many of the people that I worked with.

我在谈论我自己，但我也在谈论许多与我一起工作的人。

The teachers attitudes are documented, by the way.

顺便说一下，老师的态度是有记录的。

A former headteacher of Park View-- a headteacher is what we Americans call a principal-- did a master's thesis while he was at the school, for which he collected opinions from the staff, including from John, as to why Muslim children were drastically underperforming compared to their peers.

Park View 的一位前校长（校长就是我们美国人所说的校长）在学校期间完成了一篇硕士论文，为此他收集了包括约翰在内的教职员工的意见，解释为什么穆斯林儿童与同龄人相比表现严重不佳。

In the thesis, teachers say the kids parents are ignorant, wrongly claim the students don't speak English.

论文中，老师们说孩子家长无知，错误地认为学生不会说英语。

The teachers try for a while, one teacher said, but end up feeling like, who gives a damn.

一位老师说，老师们尝试了一段时间，但最终感觉，谁在乎呢。

That's a quote.

这是一句引言。

It makes John cringe to think back on it.

回想起来这让约翰感到畏缩。

It's only when you when you move away from a situation like that that you can realize how awful it is.

只有当你远离这样的情况时，你才能意识到它是多么可怕。

I don't normally think about this sort of thing because it's too embarrassing.

我一般不会去想这种事情，因为这太尴尬了。

Once we created the shift in the belief of the teachers, then the job became much easier.

一旦我们改变了老师们的信念，那么工作就变得容易多了。

Tahir says by the early 2000s, Park View was changing.

Tahir 表示，到 2000 年代初，Park View 正在发生变化。

The school began taking basic but transformative steps, setting individualized achievement targets for each student that followed them from year to year, and preparing students for qualifying exams which, amazingly, hadn't happened before.

学校开始采取基本但变革性的步骤，为每年跟踪的每个学生设定个性化的成绩目标，并为学生准备资格考试，令人惊讶的是，这在以前从未发生过。

School started awarding trophies for good marks, inviting parents to ceremonies when their kids did well.

学校开始为成绩好的学生颁发奖杯，并在孩子表现出色时邀请家长参加仪式。

Tahir and the governor's hired a new headteacher, a non-Muslim woman from a girls' school, who embraced Park View's new aspirations.

塔希尔和州长聘请了一位新校长，一位来自女子学校的非穆斯林女性，她接受了 Park View 的新愿望。

Test scores started to rise.

考试成绩开始上升。

Students were heading to college.

学生们即将上大学。

Park View's reputation was turning around.

Park View 的声誉正在好转。

But there were other changes Tahir instituted at Park View which, later, officials would view as suspect, changes that investigators would point to as the trademarks of Operation Trojan Horse.

但塔希尔在 Park View 还进行了其他一些改变，后来官员们认为这些改变是可疑的，调查人员将这些改变视为“特洛伊木马行动”的商标​​。

That's coming up.

即将到来。

Indeed it is, when Hamza and Brian return.

当哈姆扎和布莱恩回来时确实如此。

That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today on our program, we are playing part 1 of the newest podcast from our sister company, Serial Productions.

今天，在我们的节目中，我们正在播放我们姐妹公司 Serial Productions 最新播客的第一部分。

The show is called The Trojan Horse Affair.

这部剧的名字叫《特洛伊木马事件》。

And we pick up with Brian and Hamza where they left off.

我们从 Brian 和 Hamza 上次停下的地方继续。

You don't get labeled the leader of an extremist conspiracy simply by raising test scores at your neighborhood secondary school.

你不会仅仅因为提高附近中学的考试成绩而被贴上极端主义阴谋领导人的标签。

The main accusation against Tahir Alam, the overarching assertion of the Trojan Horse letter, which the government supported and which has defined Tahir's reputation since then, is that he was Islamizing schools.

对塔希尔·阿拉姆的主要指控是特洛伊木马信件的总体主张，政府支持这一主张，并从那时起定义了塔希尔的声誉，即他正在使学校伊斯兰化。

This is not a word I'm particularly fond of, "Islamize," because Islamize in relation to what, some assumed non-Islamic baseline?

“伊斯兰化”并不是我特别喜欢的词，因为伊斯兰化与某些人假定的非伊斯兰基线有关？

Has this story been Islamized by Hamza's involvement?

这个故事是否因为哈姆扎的参与而被伊斯兰化了？

Yes.

是的。

Brian Reed It's a word that isn't inherently negative but gets used that way.

布莱恩·里德（Brian Reed） 这个词本质上并不是消极的，但人们却以这种方式使用。

Anyway, that's what the letter said Tahir was doing, Islamizing schools.

不管怎样，这就是信中所说的塔希尔正在做的事情，将学校伊斯兰化。

And, funnily enough, it's also what Tahir says he was doing.

而且，有趣的是，这也是塔希尔所说的他正在做的事情。

We were valuing the cultural and the faith background of the children.

我们重视孩子们的文化和信仰背景。

And we were allowing that to be expressed, if you like.

如果你愿意的话，我们允许表达这一点。

We catered for children so they could perform their daytime prayers if they wanted to.

我们为儿童提供服务，以便他们可以在愿意的情况下进行白天祈祷。

We made a prayer facility available for them in a room.

我们在一个房间里为他们提供了祈祷设施。

Religious accommodations like this are legal in British schools, by the way, whether they're explicitly designated as a religious school or not, which Park View wasn't.

顺便说一句，这样的宗教住宿在英国学校中是合法的，无论它们是否被明确指定为宗教学校，但 Park View 却不是。

It was the equivalent of a regular public school in the US.

这相当于美国的一所普通公立学校。

And since 98% of the children happened to be of the Islamic faith background, we obviously are catering for the constituency that the school serves, in line with the regulatory requirements.

由于98%的孩子恰好有伊斯兰信仰背景，我们显然是在迎合学校所服务的选区，符合监管要求。

Tahir ascribed to an educational philosophy that, the way he and other Park View staff talk about it, reminds me of Afrocentric or Black Excellence schools in the US, that students will do better academically when their schools incorporate and celebrate who they are.

塔希尔归因于一种教育理念，他和其他 Park View 员工谈论这一问题的方式让我想起美国的非洲中心学校或黑人卓越学校，即当学校融入并庆祝他们是谁时，学生在学业上会取得更好的成绩。

And there's research that backs this up.

有研究支持这一点。

So, under Tahir's leadership, Park View allowed students to pray if they wanted.

因此，在塔希尔的领导下，Park View 允许学生根据需要进行祈祷。

They installed facilities for wudu, the ablutions you do before prayers.

他们安装了小净设施，即祈祷前进行的沐浴。

They celebrated Ramadan and altered the schedule during that month to facilitate fasting.

他们庆祝斋月并改变了该月的时间表以方便禁食。

They served halal food.

他们提供清真食品。

And I felt that, you know, this was our school.

我觉得，你知道，这是我们的学校。

I mean, we were proud to say that this is our school.

我的意思是，我们很自豪地说这是我们的学校。

We wanted our children to say that this was their school and that they were proud of it.

我们希望我们的孩子说这是他们的学校，他们为此感到自豪。

In the wake of the Trojan Horse letter, government officials would declare that the way Tahir and his colleagues were running Park View school had undermined, quote, unquote, British values, that they were limiting the children's ability to thrive in modern Britain.

在特洛伊木马信件之后，政府官员会宣称，塔希尔和他的同事经营公园景观学校的方式破坏了（引用或不引用）英国价值观，他们限制了孩子们在现代英国茁壮成长的能力。

Which is an interesting charge to bring against Tahir because, I have to say, I haven't personally met an English Pakistani more confident that he's British than Tahir.

这是对塔希尔提出的一个有趣的指控，因为我不得不说，我个人还没有遇到过比塔希尔更自信自己是英国人的英国巴基斯坦人。

Deciding whether or not to call yourself British is a fraught and personal thing for us.

对我们来说，决定是否称自己为英国人是一件令人担忧的个人事情。

Speaking for myself, even though I came to England when I was 8, and became a British citizen with a British passport, even though I have a British education, went to British University, worked for Britain's National Health Service, I didn't call myself British.

就我自己而言，尽管我八岁就来到英国，并成为英国公民，持有英国护照，尽管我接受过英国教育，就读于英国大学，在英国国民医疗服务体系工作，但我并没有称自己为英国人。

I was never precious about nationality, so I didn't really care what I was called.

我从来不重视国籍，所以我并不真正关心我被称为什么。

But sure, I'd also picked up on the subliminal messaging that in order to be proper British you had to be white.

但当然，我也意识到了潜意识中的信息：为了成为真正的英国人，你必须是白人。

Tahir, on the other hand, not only calls himself British, but does so proudly.

另一方面，塔希尔不仅称自己为英国人，而且还为此感到自豪。

I got to talking to Tahir about this one day.

有一天我和塔希尔谈论了这件事。

He and Brian and I were getting tea at my favorite chai shop on Alum Rock Road.

他、布莱恩和我正在明矾石路我最喜欢的奶茶店喝茶。

Well, this is the hangout.

嗯，这是聚会场所。

Hamza Syed And as we sat outside in one of the main thoroughfares of Islamic Britain, around the corner from where Tahir grew up with double-decker buses passing by sweet shops and fabric stores and halal chippies, I told him my reason for why I'd finally, only recently, started calling myself British.

哈姆扎·赛义德（Hamza Syed） 当我们坐在英国伊斯兰主干道之一的外面，就在塔希尔长大的地方的拐角处，双层巴士经过糖果店、布料店和清真薯条店，我告诉他我为什么最终（直到最近）才开始称自己为英国人。

So for a long time, I never called myself British.

所以很长一段时间，我从来不称自己为英国人。

I was about 30.

我当时大约30岁。

I had been reading a book about the British empire.

我一直在读一本关于大英帝国的书。

And I learned how rich India, which at the time included Pakistan, was, according to some economists, before the British took control.

我了解到，根据一些经济学家的说法，在英国控制之前，印度（当时包括巴基斯坦）是多么富裕。

And I believe the statistic is, roughly it controlled about the 24%, or something like that, of the world's economy at the time.

我相信这个统计数据大致控制了当时世界经济的 24% 左右。

Right.

正确的。

Tahir Alam It was the richest nation in the world.

塔希尔·阿拉姆（Tahir Alam）是世界上最富有的国家。

Right.

正确的。

24% of the world's economy is roughly what the US controls today.

今天美国控制着世界经济的24%。

I know this is somewhat of an apples and oranges comparison because the world wasn't organized into a globalized economy back then.

我知道这有点像苹果和橙子的比较，因为当时世界还没有组织成全球化经济。

But it does show how rich India was in relation to other countries at the time.

但这确实显示了印度与当时其他国家相比有多么富裕。

When the British left the Indian subcontinent after some 200 years of economic exploitation, India and Pakistan were among the poorest nations in the world.

当英国人在经历了大约200年的经济剥削后离开印度次大陆时，印度和巴基斯坦是世界上最贫穷的国家之一。

I didn't learn this stuff in school because Britain's colonization of a quarter of the planet is not compulsory part of the national curriculum, which is why I only discovered it as an adult, that so much of the wealth I saw in Britain was actually extracted from the place I come from.

我在学校里没有学过这些东西，因为英国对地球四分之一的殖民并不是国家课程的必修部分，这就是为什么我在成年后才发现它，我在英国看到的很多财富实际上是从我来自的地方提取的。

And so, from that point onwards, I've started calling myself British.

因此，从那时起，我开始称自己为英国人。

I was just like, well, I'm British.

我当时想，好吧，我是英国人。

I own this country.

我拥有这个国家。

This is my money with which you have raised everything around me.

这是我的钱，你用它筹集了我周围的一切。

Yeah, so, I mean, that's very similar to the position I am arrived at.

是的，所以，我的意思是，这与我现在所处的位置非常相似。

Except, for me, proclaiming I'm British is somewhat of a finger in the eye.

不过，对我来说，宣称自己是英国人有点让人恼火。

For Tahir, it's sincere.

对于塔希尔来说，这是真诚的。

It also came to him later in life.

他在后来的生活中也遇到了这种情况。

He says he was at an event held by a British Muslim organization.

他说他当时正在参加一个英国穆斯林组织举办的活动。

And they began saying, very clearly, you're never going back to Pakistan.

他们开始非常明确地说，你永远不会回到巴基斯坦。

Your children are never going to move back.

你的孩子永远不会搬回去。

It's not going to happen.

这不会发生。

Hamza Syed That's what you had been thinking up to that point.

哈姆扎·赛义德（Hamza Syed） 这就是您到目前为止一直在想的。

Yeah, because our parents spoke like that to us.

是的，因为我们的父母就是这样对我们说话的。

Our homes are in Pakistan.

我们的家在巴基斯坦。

We are Pakistani.

我们是巴基斯坦人。

Our parents spoke to us like that.

我们的父母就是这样对我们说话的。

My father never told me we are British because that's not what he felt.

我父亲从未告诉过我我们是英国人，因为他不是这么想的。

He lived in Pakistan most of his life.

他一生大部分时间都生活在巴基斯坦。

Why would he say that?

他为什么要这么说呢？

The people at this event were saying, you live here now.

参加这次活动的人说，你现在住在这里。

We were part of this country, and that it was important, as Muslims, we should bring benefit to this country.

我们是这个国家的一部分，作为穆斯林，重要的是我们应该为这个国家带来利益。

So ever since then, I've been kind of dissing the idea that we are other, that we are outsiders, that we don't belong here.

所以从那时起，我就一直不认同我们是异类、我们是局外人、我们不属于这里的想法。

Islam is part of Britain.

伊斯兰教是英国的一部分。

It's not alien.

这不是外星人。

I don't accept that.

我不接受这一点。

Can you see?

你能看到吗？

So this is why--

所以这就是为什么——

So for Tahir, not only was incorporating Islam into the school an academic strategy, it was also a British value.

因此，对于塔希尔来说，将伊斯兰教纳入学校不仅是一种学术策略，也是一种英国价值观。

It was during school?

是在上学的时候吗？

Former Student 1 --I'm doing something at home, and now my school is helping me do it.

以前的学生 1——我正在家里做某事，现在我的学校正在帮助我做。

Yeah, like, I didn't want to have a different life at school.

是的，就像，我不想在学校过不同的生活。

If I'm praying at home, I want to pray at school too because--

如果我在家祈祷，我也想在学校祈祷，因为——

These are two students who graduated from Park View in 2014.

这是 2014 年从 Park View 毕业的两名学生。

We're not using their names because such is the stink of the Trojan Horse scandal, they don't want potential employers to know where they went to school.

我们不使用他们的名字，因为这就是特洛伊木马丑闻的恶臭，他们不想让潜在的雇主知道他们在哪里上学。

They actually keep it off their resumes.

他们实际上将其从简历中保留下来。

When Hamza and I met them four years after they graduated, they were both studying law at university, some of the first in their families to go on to higher education.

当哈姆扎和我在他们毕业四年后见到他们时，他们都在大学学习法律，是他们家族中第一个接受高等教育的人。

They've been best friends since school, the kind of friends who don't need words to communicate.

他们从学校起就是最好的朋友，是那种不需要语言来交流的朋友。

Are you talking about-- um, yeah.

你是在说——嗯，是的。

I don't know if I should--

我不知道我是否应该——

Oh, that.

哦，那个。

Former Student 1 We're telepathic, basically.

前学生 1 基本上，我们有心灵感应。

Basically.

基本上。

Brian Reed The students told us about these assemblies they would have in the mornings, which included religious teachings and sometimes prayer.

布莱恩·里德 学生们向我们讲述了他们早上举行的集会，其中包括宗教教义，有时还有祈祷。

This is something that, as an American, made me do a double take when I first heard about it.

作为一个美国人，当我第一次听说这件事时，我感到很惊讶。

The idea of teachers in a public school leading prayers during assembly is not normal to us.

公立学校的老师在集会期间引导祈祷的想法对我们来说并不正常。

But in Britain, there's no separation between church and state.

但在英国，教会与国家之间并不分离。

The queen is head of both.

女王是两者的首脑。

So not only is prayer allowed in schools, some form of worship is legally mandated in all schools that are publicly funded.

因此，学校不仅允许祈祷，而且所有公立学校都法律规定某种形式的礼拜活动。

Schools don't always adhere to this, but students are supposed to take part in what's called a daily act of collective worship.

学校并不总是遵守这一点，但学生应该参加所谓的日常集体崇拜活动。

By default, it's supposed to be broadly Christian in character.

默认情况下，它应该具有广泛的基督教特征。

But schools can apply to change it to other faiths, if that better suits their students.

但如果学校更适合学生，学校可以申请将其改为其他信仰。

Which is what Park View did, it got approval for its worship to be Islamic.

Park View 就是这样做的，它的崇拜是伊斯兰教的，因此获得批准。

The students told us, at Park View's assemblies they would sit in the main hall and a teacher would tell parables or lessons, usually from Islam, but other faiths too.

学生们告诉我们，在 Park View 的集会上，他们会坐在大厅里，老师会讲寓言或课程，通常来自伊斯兰教，但也有其他信仰。

Do you guys remember actually learning things in these assemblies?

你们还记得在这些集会中实际学到的东西吗？

Or did they make you think?

或者他们让你思考？

Or were they just kind of boring teachers blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like--

或者他们只是一些无聊的老师等等，等等，等等，等等，就像——

I really enjoyed those assemblies because I didn't learn this from anywhere else.

我真的很喜欢这些集会，因为我没有从其他地方学到这些。

They still remember this one assembly all these years later, about charity.

这么多年过去了，他们仍然记得这次关于慈善的聚会。

Talking about charity, and they say when you're giving charity, put your hand in your pocket and take out.

谈到慈善，他们说当你施舍时，把手伸进口袋，然后拿出来。

Don't look at how much you're giving.

别看你付出了多少。

Just put it in.

只要把它放进去就可以了。

Don't count what you're giving and what you have left because when you give, you receive tenfold.

不要计算你所给予的和你所剩下的，因为当你给予时，你会得到十倍。

Yeah.

是的。

And charity does not make you poor.

慈善并不会让你贫穷。

Quite literally, sometimes when I, like, see somebody who is asking for money and things like that, I'll put my hand in my purse.

毫不夸张地说，有时当我看到有人要钱或类似的东西时，我会把手伸进钱包。

And take it out.

并把它拿出来。

Former Student 1 I'll take it out and I don't look at what's in it.

以前的学生1 我会把它拿出来，我不看里面有什么。

I do that all the time.

我一直这样做。

Former Student 1 Just because I remember that one teacher.

前学生1 只是因为我记得那位老师。

He literally said it like that.

他确实是这么说的。

Like that.

就这样。

Give so that your left hand doesn't--

给予，这样你的左手就不会——

When Tahir became chair of Park View's governing body in 1997, 4% of students were passing.

1997 年，当塔希尔 (Tahir) 担任 Park View 管理机构主席时，4% 的学生通过考试。

By 2010, that number was 71%, a seventeenfold increase.

到 2010 年，这一数字达到 71%，增长了 17 倍。

We had not changed the children.

我们没有改变孩子们。

We had not changed the parents.

我们没有改变父母。

But, slowly but surely, we took the results so that they were consistently in the 70s, which means the school actually is kind of guaranteeing an outcome.

但是，缓慢但坚定地，我们将结果保持在 70 年代，这意味着学校实际上在某种程度上保证了结果。

Park View was now actively preparing its students for the eventuality that their academic success would lead them out of East Birmingham.

Park View 现在正在积极为学生做好准备，以应对学业上的成功将带领他们离开东伯明翰的情况。

Something that a lot of teachers said to me, you live in a bubble.

很多老师对我说过的话，你生活在一个泡沫中。

And I was like, what do you mean?

我当时想，你是什么意思？

They were like, you live in an Asian community.

他们就像，你生活在亚洲社区。

You go to an Asian school.

你去一所亚洲学校。

Yes.

是的。

Former Student 1 You're very safe.

前学生 1 你很安全。

You don't know what it's like to branch out.

你不知道分支是什么感觉。

I remember, we learned about the population and how it's divided in UK.

我记得，我们了解了英国的人口及其分布。

And I think it was something like 2% of the population in the UK is Asian.

我认为英国大约有 2% 的人口是亚洲人。

And I was like, whoa, only 2%.

我当时想，哇，只有 2%。

I was like, 2%?

我当时想，2%？

How is it 2%?

怎么是2%？

Like, everybody I know is Asian.

就像，我认识的每个人都是亚洲人。

Every person that I've come across is probably--

我遇到的每个人可能都是——

Yeah.

是的。

Former Student 2 How is that possible?

以前的学生2 这怎么可能？

So it was so odd.

所以这很奇怪。

Hamza Syed The UK is actually 2% Pakistani, 7% Asian.

Hamza Syed 英国实际上 2% 是巴基斯坦人，7% 是亚洲人。

The point being, there was a vast majority of the population that these students and their classmates were not bumping into day-to-day in Alum Rock.

关键是，这些学生和他们的同学在明矾岩日常生活中并没有遇到绝大多数人。

The school organized visits to Cambridge University.

学校组织参观剑桥大学。

They took them on camping trips.

他们带他们去野营旅行。

They visited the Houses of Parliament in London.

他们参观了伦敦议会大厦。

Some students went on a week long trip on a sailboat with kids from all over, including a bunch of white kids.

一些学生与来自世界各地的孩子一起乘坐帆船进行了为期一周的旅行，其中包括一群白人孩子。

We weren't used to mingling with people who were not Pakistani.

我们不习惯与非巴基斯坦人交往。

So they were exposing us to you guys, OK?

所以他们把我们暴露给你们了，好吗？

You're looking at me?

你在看着我吗？

Former Student 2 This is what they were preparing us for.

前学生 2 这就是他们为我们做的准备。

Parents clamored to get their kids into Park View.

家长们吵着要让他们的孩子进入 Park View。

The school had a waiting list.

学校有一个等候名单。

We were given all kinds of accolades nationally, in the press.

我们在全国范围内和媒体上获得了各种赞誉。

We had officials coming in and out of our school, really.

确实，我们学校有官员进出。

They're saying, what are you doing?

他们说，你在做什么？

You know, perhaps we can learn something.

你知道，也许我们可以学到一些东西。

And they invited us, actually.

事实上，他们邀请了我们。

Then why don't you support other schools?

那你为什么不支持其他学校呢？

Tahir became well regarded in education circles.

塔希尔在教育界享有盛誉。

And over the years, he expanded his reach beyond Park View.

多年来，他将自己的影响力扩展到了 Park View 之外。

He was certified as an inspector for Ofsted, the agency that monitors and rates schools in Britain.

他被认证为英国教育标准局（Ofsted）的督察员，该机构负责监督和评估英国的学校。

The Birmingham City Council hired him to train other governors throughout the city.

伯明翰市议会聘请他来培训全市其他州长。

The national department for education even asked Tahir and his colleagues at Park View to take over two other troubled schools in East Birmingham, which they did.

国家教育部甚至要求塔希尔和他在 Park View 的同事接管东伯明翰另外两所陷入困境的学校，他们照做了。

Tahir was invited to tea at 10 Downing Street and met Prime Minister Tony Blair.

塔希尔受邀到唐宁街 10 号喝茶，并会见了英国首相托尼·布莱尔。

Back in Birmingham though, some people resented him.

然而回到伯明翰，有些人怨恨他。

Yeah, he had made enemies of a lot of schools in the area.

是的，他与该地区的很多学校树敌了。

He became, like, hated amongst a lot of people.

他变得像很多人一样讨厌。

Moz Hussain, who became Park View's acting headteacher around this time, was a full supporter of Tahir's.

莫兹·侯赛因（Moz Hussain）在此时成为帕克维尤的代理校长，他是塔希尔的全力支持者。

But still, he and other former colleagues told us they wished Tahir was a bit more circumspect in the way he went around to other schools, advocating for reform.

但他和其他前同事仍然告诉我们，他们希望塔希尔在去其他学校倡导改革时能更加谨慎一些。

He was self-assured, blunt, and particularly unsparing when laying out for headteachers and other school leaders the way their schools were failing Muslim students.

他自信、直率，在向校长和其他学校领导指出学校让穆斯林学生不及格的情况时尤其毫不留情。

To tell other schools, look, Park View can do it.

告诉其他学校，你看，Park View 可以做到。

Park View can do it.

公园景观可以做到。

Park View can do it.

公园景观可以做到。

Same family, same children that you got, they can do it.

同样的家庭，同样的孩子，他们可以做到。

That's not an excuse.

这不是借口。

We used to tell Tahir off for this a lot.

我们经常因此责备塔希尔。

Stop using us as a beating stick because it's isolating us amongst other schools.

不要再用我们作为殴打棒，因为它使我们与其他学校隔离。

He was actually pointing the finger and saying directly to headteachers, you're not doing a good enough job here for these kids.

他实际上是在指责并直接对校长说，你们在这里为这些孩子做得不够好。

Jackie Hughes used to be in charge of school improvement for the Birmingham City Council.

杰基·休斯 (Jackie Hughes) 曾负责伯明翰市议会的学校改善工作。

And she says she can name headteachers that she knows Tahir made enemies with.

她还说，她可以任命她知道塔希尔与之为敌的校长。

Many of them were used to having the final word on academics.

他们中的许多人习惯于对学术拥有最终决定权。

And then here was Tahir, this volunteer with no professional teaching experience, waltzing in and criticizing their work.

然后塔希尔（Tahir），这位没有专业教学经验的志愿者，突然插进来批评他们的工作。

I mean, actually, people would come to me and say, I can't understand why you'd give Tahir the time of day.

我的意思是，实际上，人们会来找我说，我不明白你为什么要给塔希尔一天的时间。

He's a terrible man.

他是一个可怕的人。

He said to me, blah, blah, blah, blah.

他对我说，等等，等等，等等。

And they would go sounding off.

他们会发出声音。

Colleagues and friends warned Tahir, you might want to consider softening your approach.

同事和朋友警告塔希尔，你可能需要考虑软化你的态度。

But Tahir wasn't having it.

但塔希尔并没有接受。

You have to fight for justice.

你必须为正义而战。

Justice is not going to be handed to you on the plate.

正义不会在盘子里递给你。

You have to make space for yourself.

你必须为自己腾出空间。

So the fact that some people may not be OK with that is a different-- is irrelevant to me.

因此，有些人可能对此不满意，这一事实与我无关。

That's their problem.

这是他们的问题。

In 2012, Park View received the ultimate validation.

2012年，Park View获得了最终验证。

In what was probably its proudest moment in Tahir's nearly 18 years there, Ofsted arrived for an inspection and deemed the school outstanding, the highest rating possible.

这可能是塔希尔在校近 18 年中最值得骄傲的时刻，英国教育标准局 (Ofsted) 前来视察，并认为这所学校非常出色，是可能的最高评级。

Among the many things inspectors praised at Park View were the, quote, "wide range of opportunities for spiritual development, including voluntary Friday prayers."

帕克维尤检查员称赞的众多事情之一是“广泛的精神发展机会，包括自愿的周五祈祷”。

In his time as chair of governors, Tahir had taken Park View from the lowest ranking, the verge of closure, to the very top.

在担任州长期间，塔希尔将 Park View 从排名最低、濒临关闭的位置提升到了最高位置。

The person in charge of Ofsted, the chief inspector, said, quote, "Every school in the country should be like this."

英国教育标准局（Ofsted）负责人、总督察称，“全国每一所学校都应该这样。”

Less than two years later, on November 27, 2013, an envelope arrived on the desk of the leader of Birmingham City Council, a man named Sir Albert Bore.

不到两年后，2013 年 11 月 27 日，一个信封送到了伯明翰市议会领导人阿尔伯特·博尔爵士 (Sir Albert Bore) 的办公桌上。

Inside was a cover sheet addressed to him, marked "Very Important," "Confidential."

里面有一张写给他的封面，上面写着“非常重要”、“机密”。

"Mr. Bore," it said, "this letter was found when I was clearing my boss's files.

“博尔先生，”它说，“这封信是我在清理老板的档案时发现的。

And I think you should be aware that I am shocked at what your officers are doing.

我认为你应该知道我对你的官员的所作所为感到震惊。

You have seven days to investigate this matter, after which it will be sent to a national newspaper, who I'm sure will treat it seriously.

你们有7天的时间来调查这件事，之后就会将其发送给一家全国性的报纸，我相信该报会认真对待。

Sincerely, AN." "Anonymous," presumably.

此致，AN。”大概是“匿名”。

Behind that note was the Trojan Horse letter, four poorly copied pages, shadows at the edges, instructions to destroy after reading.

在那张纸条的后面是特洛伊木马信件，四页抄写得很差，边缘有阴影，阅读后销毁的指示。

The letter was written as if from a collaborator of Tahir's, describing a conspiracy Tahir had been running to take over and Islamize schools by deception.

这封信看起来像是塔希尔的合作者写的，描述了塔希尔一直在通过欺骗手段接管学校并使学校伊斯兰化的阴谋。

It took weeks for Tahir to learn about it.

塔希尔花了数周时间才了解此事。

He heard rumors there was a mysterious letter making its way around Birmingham, around the city council and to headteachers in town, which named him as the orchestrator of a plot.

他听说有传言说，有一封神秘的信在伯明翰、市议会和镇上的校长中流传，信中称他是一场阴谋的策划者。

One of Tahir's friends rushed to his house to tell him that he'd been getting a haircut over on Washwood Heath Road and, afterwards, his friend's barber had beckoned him into the back room of the shop and showed him a copy.

塔希尔的一个朋友冲到他家告诉他，他正在沃什伍德希思路理发，之后，他朋友的理发师招呼他到店里的房间里，给他看了一份发型。

Tahir did not know what to make of it.

塔希尔不知道该怎么办。

Finally, he got a hold of the document himself.

最后，他亲自拿到了这份文件。

You know, obviously, I was thinking, what is the source of this letter?

你知道，显然，我在想，这封信的来源是什么？

Who wrote this letter?

这封信是谁写的？

Why was this letter written, is what's ringing in my head.

为什么要写这封信，这是我脑海中萦绕的问题。

The front page was missing, so there was no "Dear whoever." It just started as if it had been going on for a page or more already.

头版不见了，所以没有“亲爱的谁”。它刚开始就好像已经持续了一页或更多页。

And the letter ended mid-sentence too, with the phrase, "I would also like." So there's no sign-off, which meant Tahir couldn't tell exactly who it was supposed to be to or from.

这封信也以“我也愿意”这句话结束了。所以没有签字，这意味着塔希尔无法准确判断邮件应该发给谁或发件人是谁。

But whoever wrote the letter said explicitly, "Tahir and I."

但这封信的作者明确表示：“塔希尔和我。”

It's supposed to be from somebody who knows me well in Birmingham.

这应该是伯明翰一位很了解我的人发来的。

And he's talking to somebody in Bradford.

他正在和布拉德福德的某个人谈话。

Another British city that's home to a lot of Muslims.

另一个拥有大量穆斯林的英国城市。

He's talking about Tahir, what he's done here, we can do it over there.

他在谈论塔希尔，他在这里所做的事情，我们也可以在那里做。

And he's your friend or your associate.

他是你的朋友或同事。

Or she, whoever.

或者她，无论是谁。

Whoever it is, yeah.

不管是谁，是的。

Brian Reed Can you keep reading just the first few paragraphs?

布莱恩·里德（Brian Reed） 你能继续读前几段吗？

OK.

好的。

Operation Trojan Horse has been carefully thought through and is tried and tested within Birmingham.

特洛伊木马行动经过仔细考虑，并在伯明翰进行了尝试和测试。

Tahir and I will be happy to support your efforts in Bradford.

塔希尔和我将很乐意支持您在布拉德福德的努力。

This is a long-term plan and one which we are sure will lead to great success in taking over a number of schools and ensuring that they are run on the strict Islamic principles.

这是一项长期计划，我们确信该计划将取得巨大成功，接管一些学校并确保它们按照严格的伊斯兰原则运营。

In Birmingham, the benefits--

在伯明翰，好处是——

The main tactic of Operation Trojan Horse is to target headteachers at the schools you want to take control of, to make their lives so miserable that they'll resign or else be fired.

特洛伊木马行动的主要策略是针对你想要控制的学校的校长，让他们过得很悲惨，要么辞职，要么被解雇。

At which point, you can install your own people, who will implant Islamic extremism in the school.

到了这个时候，你就可以安插自己的人了，他们会在学校里植入伊斯兰极端主义。

The author gives several examples of schools in Birmingham where Tahir and his cronies were supposedly in the middle of doing this.

作者举了几个伯明翰学校的例子，据说塔希尔和他的亲信正在这些学校里做这件事。

"We have caused a great amount of organized disruption in Birmingham," the letter says, "and are on the way to getting rid of more headteachers and taking over their schools.

信中说：“我们在伯明翰造成了大量有组织的破坏，并且正在解雇更多校长并接管他们的学校。

While sometimes the practices we use may not seem the correct way to do things, you must remember that this is a jihad.

虽然有时我们使用的做法似乎不是正确的做事方式，但您必须记住这是一场圣战。

And, as such, using all means possible to win the war is acceptable."

因此，使用一切可能的手段来赢得战争是可以接受的。”

What was your feeling or your attitude?

你的感受或态度是什么？

Were you laughing at it?

你当时在笑吗？

Were you actually kind of taking it seriously and frightened?

你真的认真对待它并感到害怕吗？

What was your--

你的是什么——

I wasn't laughing, actually, because I knew the serious nature of the allegations that were being made.

事实上，我没有笑，因为我知道所提出的指控的严重性。

But as far as the claims themselves were concerned, they were laughable.

但就这些说法本身而言，它们是可笑的。

So I knew that there was something not right about what was going on here.

所以我知道这里发生的事情有些不对劲。

Tahir contacted the Birmingham City Council, where the letter was first sent.

塔希尔联系了这封信最先发出的伯明翰市议会。

He'd done training for them for years.

他为他们进行了多年的训练。

And I said, look, I work for you.

我说，看，我为你工作。

And this letter apparently is going around claiming certain things.

这封信显然是在声称某些事情。

And I'm surprised that you haven't spoken to me to at least to get my view on the matter.

我很惊讶你没有和我谈过至少了解我对此事的看法。

At least ask me to explain, or if I know anything, or whatever, or something.

至少让我解释一下，或者我是否知道什么，或者什么，或者什么。

And the gentleman there, actually, from the city council, he said, Mr. Alam, to be very honest with you, we don't think anything of the letter.

实际上，来自市议会的那位先生说，阿拉姆先生，老实说，我们对这封信没有任何看法。

We think it's a completely bogus hoax letter.

我们认为这完全是一封伪造的骗局信。

And we don't believe there is any truth in it.

我们不相信其中有任何真相。

And therefore we didn't take any action.

因此我们没有采取任何行动。

We didn't do anything with it.

我们没有用它做任何事情。

Not really, no, because then the letter began to be printed in the national media as well.

不完全不，因为从那时起这封信也开始在国家媒体上刊登。

Someone leaked the letter to The Sunday Times of London.

有人将这封信泄露给了伦敦《星期日泰晤士报》。

And from there, it became a frenzy.

从那时起，它变得疯狂。

One story turned to two, turned to dozens.

一个故事变成了两个故事，变成了几十个故事。

In the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Spectator, Sky TV, many of them giving credence to the letter, saying that extremists like Tahir had allegedly been infiltrating UK schools for years.

《每日邮报》、《电讯报》、《旁观者》、天空电视台等许多媒体都相信这封信，称像塔希尔这样的极端分子多年来一直渗透到英国学校。

Reporters camped outside Park View.

记者在公园景观外扎营。

They stalked Tahir down the street--

他们沿着街道跟踪塔希尔——

We tried to put these allegations to the Academy's Chair of Governors, but Tahir Alam--

我们试图向学院院长提出这些指控，但塔希尔·阿拉姆——

--turned up at his house.

——出现在他家。

Tahir Alam Hello.

塔希尔·阿拉姆 你好。

Hello.

你好。

Hamza Syed The government kicked into gear too.

Hamza Syed 政府也开始行动。

Investigators swarmed Park View.

调查人员蜂拥而至 Park View。

Ofsted, the school inspector, arrived for two surprise inspections.

英国教育标准局（Ofsted）的督察前来进行了两次突击检查。

And then we had the education funding agency investigation, which was about 10 days, I think.

然后我们进行了教育资助机构的调查，我想大约持续了 10 天。

They were in there for 10 days.

他们在那里呆了10天。

And as soon as they left, we had PWC--

他们一离开，我们就得到了普华永道——

PricewaterhouseCoopers, a big outside auditing firm.

普华永道，一家大型外部审计公司。

--looking into the financial affairs of the school.

——学校财务情况调查。

So then we had them for five weeks in the school, as well.

然后我们也在学校里让他们呆了五个星期。

I said, what are you looking for?

我说，你在找什么？

I said, what are you looking for?

我说，你在找什么？

You've been here three weeks.

你来这里已经三个星期了。

You must have a family.

你必须有一个家庭。

[LAUGHTER] Brian Reed There was more.

[笑声] 布莱恩·里德 (Brian Reed) 还有更多。

The Secretary of State for Education called in England's former counterterror chief from Scotland Yard, a man named Peter Clarke.

英国教育大臣召见了苏格兰场的英格兰前反恐局长彼得·克拉克。

And the Birmingham City Council appointed its own special investigator.

伯明翰市议会任命了自己的特别调查员。

And they scrutinized Park View along with 20-some-odd other schools in Muslim neighborhoods.

他们还仔细检查了 Park View 学校以及穆斯林社区的 20 多所其他学校。

In the middle of the melee, some politicians and journalists were saying that the letter itself was likely a hoax.

在混战中，一些政客和记者表示，这封信本身很可能是一个骗局。

There was some obvious factual inaccuracies.

存在一些明显的事实错误。

Yet the government believed it still warranted this action.

但政府认为仍然有必要采取这一行动。

Honestly, I don't think any authority explained this logic with much clarity at the time.

老实说，我认为当时没有哪个权威能够清楚地解释这个逻辑。

But my understanding of how the thinking went is that, even if the letter itself wasn't an actual communiqué between two real-life conspirators, it could still be pointing at a real problem.

但我对想法的理解是，即使这封信本身不是两个现实生活中的阴谋者之间的实际公报，它仍然可能指出一个真正的问题。

Even if it was fiction, the thinking went, the letter could have been fabricated by someone who had legitimate concerns about Muslim extremists scheming and wielding influence in schools.

人们认为，即使这是虚构的，这封信也可能是由对穆斯林极端分子在学校里策划和施加影响有合理担忧的人编造的。

And maybe the letter was their creative way of raising an alarm.

也许这封信是他们发出警报的创造性方式。

So rather than look into who wrote the letter and why, instead, the government put out general public calls for information about these schools.

因此，政府并没有调查这封信是谁写的以及为什么写的，而是向公众发出呼吁，要求提供有关这些学校的信息。

And people started coming forward, mostly anonymously, with complaints.

人们开始提出投诉，大多是匿名的。

Again, investigators found no evidence of radicalization, no evidence of violent extremism, and no plot.

调查人员再次没有发现激进化的证据，没有暴力极端主义的证据，也没有阴谋。

What emerged instead was a kind of grab bag of Islam-adjacent allegations.

相反，出现的是一种与伊斯兰教相关的指控。

Many of the same things authorities had celebrated up to that point, but apparently now were seeing in a different light.

迄今为止，当局曾庆祝过许多相同的事情，但现在显然有了不同的看法。

Like, these educators weren't merely allowing students to pray.

就像，这些教育工作者不仅仅允许学生祈祷。

They were pressuring them to pray.

他们强迫他们祈祷。

They weren't innocently recruiting Brown Muslim staff.

他们并不是无辜地招募棕色穆斯林员工。

They were hiring their buddies who thought the same way as they did, and possibly discriminating against non-Muslim candidates in the process.

他们雇用与他们想法相同的伙伴，并可能在此过程中歧视非穆斯林候选人。

School governors, including Tahir, they weren't holding headteachers to a high standard.

包括塔希尔在内的学校管理者并没有对校长提出高标准。

They were pressuring them, harassing them, and exercising more power than a governor was supposed to.

他们向他们施压、骚扰，并行使超出州长应有的权力。

Investigators also said they'd found instances of intolerance towards LGBTQ people and unequal treatment of women and girls.

调查人员还表示，他们发现了对 LGBTQ 人群不宽容以及对妇女和女童不平等待遇的情况。

They said Park View had held assemblies and invited speakers with anti-Western views.

他们说，Park View 举行了集会并邀请了持反西方观点的发言人。

And that Tahir and people aligned with him allegedly subscribed to, quote, "An intolerant and politicized form of extreme social conservatism that claims to represent, and ultimately seeks to control, all Muslims."

据称，塔希尔和与他结盟的人赞同“一种不宽容和政治化的极端社会保守主义形式，声称代表并最终寻求控制所有穆斯林。”

All of this, as the then Secretary of State for Education put it as she presented the findings on the Trojan Horse letter to Parliament, meant that students--

正如当时的教育大臣在向议会提交特洛伊木马信函的调查结果时所说，所有这一切意味着学生们——

Instead of enjoying a broadening and enriching experience in school, young people are having their horizons narrowed and are being denied the opportunity to flourish in a modern, multicultural Britain.

年轻人在学校里没有享受到拓宽和丰富的经历，他们的视野变得越来越窄，并且被剥夺了在现代、多元文化的英国蓬勃发展的机会。

It is for this reason, and with a deep sense of injustice and sadness, that today we are announcing our intention to resign our positions at Park View Educational Trust and allow new members to assume responsibility with the--

正是出于这个原因，带着深深的不公正和悲伤感，今天我们宣布打算辞去 Park View 教育信托基金的职务，并让新成员承担以下责任：

After months of scrutiny, in early July, 2014, Tahir, looking tired and stressed, stood at a lectern outside Park View's gates and resigned.

经过几个月的审查，2014 年 7 月初，塔希尔看上去疲惫不堪、压力重重，站在 Park View 门外的讲台前辞职了。

Tahir told us he and the other Park View governors only agreed to do that because the Department for Education promised that the head teacher and other on-the-ground leadership of the school would be kept in place.

塔希尔告诉我们，他和其他帕克维尤州长同意这样做，是因为教育部承诺学校的班主任和其他实地领导将保持不变。

But as soon as school opened in September, all of those people were suspended.

但九月开学后，所有这些人都被停职了。

All the leadership was basically sacked.

所有领导层基本上都被解雇了。

Ruthlessly, they went about it destroying their careers, destroying their reputations.

他们无情地毁掉了自己的事业，毁掉了自己的名誉。

And they did that systematically.

他们系统地做到了这一点。

We had worked for 10, 15 years, really, to build this school.

为了建造这所学校，我们确实工作了 10 年、15 年。

They destroyed it within months.

他们在几个月内摧毁了它。

The government renamed the school.

政府更名为学校。

It's no longer Park View.

它不再是公园景观。

It also notified nearly every teacher and governor you just heard from, Tahir included, that it was bringing proceedings to ban them from education for the rest of their lives.

它还通知几乎所有你刚刚听到的教师和州长，包括塔希尔，它正在提起诉讼，禁止他们余生接受教育。

In the years since, student achievement has plummeted at the school formerly known as Park View.

从那以后的几年里，这所前身为 Park View 的学校的学生成绩直线下降。

From more than 70% passing to, in recent years, from the low-40% to mid-50% range.

近年来，从 70% 以上过渡到从低 40% 到中 50% 的范围。

So that's the story Tahir told us, that first meeting, in his makeshift tutoring room, that this letter, which was never fully investigated, that described a plot called Operation Trojan Horse, which was never found to have existed, inspired all of this, the ruining of careers and an educational movement, the fear-mongering headlines against Muslims that continue to this day, the government instituting policies that encourage us to spy more brazenly on each other.

这就是塔希尔在他的临时辅导室里第一次见面时告诉我们的故事，这封信从未得到充分调查，它描述了一个名为“特洛伊木马行动”的阴谋，但从未被发现存在，激发了所有这一切：职业生涯的毁坏和教育运动，针对穆斯林的散布恐惧的头条新闻一直持续到今天，政府制定政策鼓励我们更加明目张胆地相互监视。

We'd been talking with Tahir for a couple of hours by this point.

此时我们已经与塔希尔交谈了几个小时。

What time is it?

现在是几奌？

I know you need to leave at some point.

我知道你在某个时候需要离开。

I don't want--

我不想——

I mean, I'm-- I have to go to Friday prayer now.

我的意思是，我现在必须去参加周五祈祷。

So, 1 o'clock, I'm there really.

所以，1点钟，我真的到了。

I understand it's a lot to talk.

我知道有很多话要讲。

So if you wanted to--

所以如果你想——

There's a lot to-- no, no, I don't get tired of talking these things really.

有很多事情要——不，不，我真的不会厌倦谈论这些事情。

I mean, you probably could tell.

我的意思是，你可能能看出来。

Obviously, when I talk about that, you know, you begin to relive it, isn't it?

显然，当我谈论这个时，你知道，你开始重温它，不是吗？

And I have to say that it does sadden me, actually, as to what has been lost for the children, for the community, the irreparable damage that has been done for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

我不得不说，事实上，这确实让我感到悲伤，因为孩子们、社区失去了一切，毫无缘由地造成了无法弥补的损害。

So, anyway, can I get you guys some tea or something?

那么，无论如何，我可以请你们喝点茶什么的吗？

At that event I went to, where we all got redirected to the wedding hall, one of the speakers, a columnist named Peter Oborne, put it well.

在那次活动中，我去了，我们都被重定向到婚礼大厅，其中一位演讲者，一位名叫彼得·奥本的专栏作家说得很好。

He said Operation Trojan Horse has become a social fact in Britain.

他说，特洛伊木马行动在英国已经成为一个社会事实。

That, even though within weeks that the Trojan Horse started hitting the news, people acknowledged it was probably a hoax, that's never seemed to matter.

即使在几周内特洛伊木马开始成为新闻焦点，人们也承认这可能是一个骗局，但这似乎从来都不重要。

Whether Muslims in Birmingham were conspiring or not doesn't matter.

伯明翰的穆斯林是否密谋并不重要。

The intimation that they were has persevered, to the extent that a prime minister's former chief of staff was outraged that some people in the community center would dare to say otherwise.

这种说法一直存在，以至于一位总理的前幕僚长对社区中心的一些人竟然敢说相反的话感到愤怒。

But we don't need to settle for a social fact because there are actual facts.

但我们不需要满足于社会事实，因为存在真实的事实。

Why, up to this point, has no one cared about who wrote this letter and where this letter came from?

为什么到目前为止，没有人关心这封信是谁写的，这封信来自哪里？

Well, that's my question.

嗯，这就是我的问题。

Hamza Syed (LAUGHING) That's my question.

哈姆扎·赛义德（笑）这是我的问题。

This is what I've been arguing.

这就是我一直争论的。

This is why I went to the police to see what they could do.

这就是为什么我去找警察看看他们能做什么。

This is what I wrote in my letter to the Birmingham City Council, that you need to get to the bottom of who wrote the letter.

这是我在写给伯明翰市议会的信中所写的，你们需要查清楚这封信是谁写的。

This is what I wrote to the Department of Education as well.

这也是我写给教育部的信。

You need to get to the bottom of the letter, who wrote the letter.

你需要弄清楚这封信的底部，是谁写的这封信。

Because that will then unravel why the letter was written.

因为这将揭开这封信的写作原因。

You see?

你看？

So this is what I have been arguing.

所以这就是我一直争论的问题。

But Department of Education is not interested.

但教育部对此不感兴趣。

The police are not interested.

警察不感兴趣。

The Birmingham City Council is not interested in answering that question.

伯明翰市议会没有兴趣回答这个问题。

Why?

为什么？

Tahir Alam Because they have used this letter.

Tahir Alam 因为他们用了这封信。

And on this hoax they have built so much policy.

他们在这个骗局的基础上制定了很多政策。

Do you think now they want to launch an investigation into the letter to have it proven that it was written for completely different reasons?

您认为现在他们想对这封信展开调查，以证明这封信是出于完全不同的原因而写的吗？

Yeah?

是的？

How would that make them look like?

这会让他们看起来怎么样？

A bunch of monkeys.

一群猴子。

As I've been saying, if you could just find out who wrote that letter and why, that's the only thing that might change Britain's understanding of Operation Trojan Horse.

正如我一直在说的，如果你能找出这封信的作者和原因，那就是唯一可能改变英国对特洛伊木马行动的理解的事情。

But whoever wrote the letter, they knew me, I think.

但我想，无论谁写了这封信，他们都认识我。

And I like to think that I know them too.

我喜欢认为我也认识他们。

Does that mean you think-- Tahir Alam I have a strong hunch as to who wrote the letter.

这是否意味着你认为——塔希尔·阿拉姆（Tahir Alam）我有一种强烈的预感，知道这封信是谁写的。

I strongly believe that I know who wrote the letter.

我坚信我知道这封信是谁写的。

And I strongly believe that I know the why the letter was written as well.

我坚信我也知道写这封信的原因。

So you think you know the who and the motive.

所以你认为你知道是谁和动机。

Yes.

是的。

Hamza Syed That's next on The Trojan Horse Affair.

哈姆扎·赛义德 这是特洛伊木马事件的下一个内容。

So that is part 1 of The Trojan Horse Affair.

这就是特洛伊木马事件的第一部分。

You can listen to all eight installments right now, wherever you get your podcasts.

无论您在何处获取播客，您现在都可以收听全部八期节目。

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[音乐 - 地图上 JAYKAE 和 DAPZ 的“FROGGY”]

The Trojan Horse Affair is produced by Brian Reed and Hamza Syed, with Rebecca Laks.

《特洛伊木马事件》由布莱恩·里德、哈姆扎·赛义德和丽贝卡·拉克斯共同制作。

It's edited by Sarah Koenig with help from Julie Snyder, Neil Drumming, and me.

它由 Sarah Koenig 在 Julie Snyder、Neil Drumming 和我的帮助下编辑。

Contributing editor is Ayesha Manazir Siddiqi.

特约编辑是 Ayesha Manazir Siddiqi。

Fact checkers, Marika Cronnolly and Ben Phelan.

事实核查员 Marika Cronnolly 和 Ben Phelan。

The episode was mixed by Steven Jackson.

本集由史蒂文·杰克逊混音。

Audio was provided by NBC, Getty Images.

音频由 NBC、Getty Images 提供。

Bim Adewunmi, and Mike Comite help put their show into an episode of our show.

Bim Adewunmi 和 Mike Comite 帮助将他们的节目放入我们节目的一集中。

Special thanks today to Richard Danbury, Kimberly Henderson, The Barclay Agency, Kenneth Pomeranz, Greg Clark, and John Holmwood.

今天特别感谢理查德·丹伯里、金伯利·亨德森、巴克莱机构、肯尼思·彭慕兰、格雷格·克拉克和约翰·霍姆伍德。

The Trojan Horse Affair is made by Serial Productions and The New York Times.

《特洛伊木马事件》由 Serial Productions 和《纽约时报》制作。

Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.

我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

Sure, you always love Shakespeare, the Beatles, the BBC, Harry Potter.

当然，您总是喜欢莎士比亚、披头士乐队、BBC、哈利·波特。

But it was Fleabag that put him over the top.

但正是《Fleabag》让他登上了巅峰。

So, from that point onwards, I've started calling myself British.

所以，从那时起，我开始称自己为英国人。

I was just like, well, I'm British.

我当时想，好吧，我是英国人。

I own this country.

我拥有这个国家。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

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[音乐 - 地图上 JAYKAE 和 DAPZ 的“FROGGY”]

(SINGING) We know, we know.

（唱歌）我们知道，我们知道。

We know, we know.

我们知道，我们知道。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。