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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass This house on Washington Street in New York doesn't look like a house.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 纽约华盛顿街的这座房子看起来不像一栋房子。
It's more like an industrial building.
它更像是一座工业建筑。
Comes right up to the sidewalk-- red brick, steel window frames, and a grid of windows.
一直走到人行道上——红砖、钢窗框和一排窗户。
It'd be considered a big house anywhere, but in New York, where people live in pretty small quarters--
它在任何地方都会被认为是一座大房子，但在纽约，人们住在相当小的地方——
I mean, it's huge.
我的意思是，它很大。
My building, I think, has 14 apartments.
我想我的大楼有 14 间公寓。
And I think this looks twice as big as it.
我认为这看起来是它的两倍大。
And it's just him and his family.
而且只有他和他的家人。
I don't know.
我不知道。
The "him" in this case is Noam Gottesman, a billionaire finance guy and art collector.
这里的“他”是诺姆·戈特斯曼（Noam Gottesman），一位亿万富翁金融家和艺术品收藏家。
The guy telling me about him is a neighbor from around the corner, Eyal Levin, not a billionaire, father of two teenage boys who share a bedroom.
向我讲述他的人是街角的邻居埃亚尔·莱文 (Eyal Levin)，他不是亿万富翁，而是两个共用一间卧室的十几岁男孩的父亲。
He runs a jewelry business with his wife.
他与妻子一起经营珠宝生意。
There's one other important feature on this immense house that he wants me to see-- bright yellow letters, neat and tidy and dignified, on the bank of windows.
他想让我看看这座巨大房子的另一个重要特征——窗边明亮的黄色字母，整齐、整洁、庄严。
Eyal reads--
埃亚尔读到——
"No parking, active driveway." But when you live here, everybody knows he's bluffing.
“没有停车位，车道活跃。”但当你住在这里时，每个人都知道他在虚张声势。
It's not a no parking zone, he says, because there's no driveway.
他说，这不是禁止停车区，因为没有车道。
There's no garage.
没有车库。
There's just a big door.
只有一扇大门。
But by pretending to have a driveway, what this man gets, he says, is the kind of real estate money cannot buy in New York-- his own free parking space, right in front of his house.
但他说，通过假装有车道，这个人得到的是在纽约金钱买不到的房地产——他自己的免费停车位，就在他的房子前面。
And parking-- parking is just beyond difficult in certain neighborhoods in New York.
停车——在纽约的某些街区停车非常困难。
People cry over parking.
人们为停车而哭泣。
It's so frustrating.
太令人沮丧了。
And finding a space in this neighborhood, Eyal says--
埃亚尔说，在这附近找到一个空间——
You sometimes go, make the rounds and rounds and rounds.
有时你会去转转。
And time passes.
时间流逝。
Sometimes it can take an hour, sometimes more.
有时可能需要一个小时，有时甚至更多。
Eyal says that when he first noticed Gottesman's signs telling people not to park there, he respected the moxie.
埃亚尔说，当他第一次注意到戈特斯曼的标志告诉人们不要在那里停车时，他很尊重戈特斯曼的勇气。
Initially, it was very funny.
起初，这很有趣。
I actually chuckled.
我其实笑了。
And I was like, wow, this guy, good for him for confiscating the parking.
我当时就想，哇，这个家伙，没收停车位真是太好了。
I mean, whenever I passed it, it was kind of funny.
我的意思是，每当我经过它时，都觉得很有趣。
Like, look what this guy did.
就像，看看这个人做了什么。
But then one day, Eyal was driving around, looking for parking himself.
但有一天，埃亚尔开车四处寻找停车位。
It's taking forever.
这需要永远。
And he sees the space in front of Gottesman's house.
他看到了戈特斯曼房子前面的空间。
And he decides, OK, this will be the day he'll park there.
他决定，好吧，今天他就把车停在那里。
Five, 10 seconds after, there's a security guard or two of them that barge out of the property.
五秒、十秒后，一两个保安闯出了房子。
They have cameras all over so they see when you park, and they run out.
他们到处都有摄像头，所以他们会看到你什么时候停车，然后就会跑出去。
He says they told him you can't park here.
他说他们告诉他你不能在这里停车。
And they pointed to the signs on the door.
他们指着门上的标志。
I was laughing.
我在笑。
And I said, "Listen, guys, I'm a neighbor.
我说：“听着，伙计们，我是邻居。
I know what you're doing here.
我知道你在这里做什么。
I personally don't care, but I'm allowed to park here." And then they start making threats.
我个人不在乎，但我可以把车停在这里。”然后他们开始发出威胁。
You will get out.
你会出去的。
Why are you being so difficult?
你为什么这么难？
Eyal describes himself as somebody who's generally pretty mellow.
埃亚尔形容自己是一个总体上相当温和的人。
And the first time he tried to park there, he decided it wasn't worth arguing about and pulled out.
当他第一次尝试把车停在那里时，他觉得不值得争论，于是把车停了下来。
But the next time he needed a place to park, he poured into the space again.
但下次他需要停车位时，他又涌进了停车位。
Again, the tough guys showed up.
硬汉们再次登场。
And this time, Eyal had had enough.
这一次，埃亚尔已经受够了。
He stood his ground.
他坚持自己的立场。
I was like, why am I being bullied when I know for a fact that I'm allowed to park there and that the signs are basically fakes?
我当时想，当我知道我可以在那里停车并且标志基本上都是假的时，为什么我会被欺负呢？
So he left his car there.
于是他就把车留在那里。
He parked.
他停车了。
Did it maybe a half dozen times, he says.
他说，大概已经做了六次了。
Then one day, he's taking his son to school, walks by the parking space, and realizes his car is gone.
有一天，他送儿子去学校，路过停车位时，发现他的车不见了。
They had him towed.
他们把他拖走了。
Eyal believes the guards must have found a cop who'd write a ticket and then called for the tow truck.
埃亚尔认为，警卫一定找到了一名开罚单的警察，然后叫来了拖车。
The ticket later got thrown out.
后来票被扔掉了。
But to get his car back, Eyal still had the hassle of riding the subway out to the tow lot.
但为了取回他的车，埃亚尔仍然需要乘坐地铁前往停车场，这很麻烦。
It was in a part of Queens called Maspeth.
它位于皇后区一个叫马斯佩斯的地方。
It was a subway ride and a 20-minute walk, he says.
他说，坐地铁再步行 20 分钟就到了。
He also had to pay $201 to get the car back.
他还必须支付 201 美元才能取回汽车。
I mean, at the time, I was enraged.
我的意思是，当时我很生气。
It's ludicrous.
这太可笑了。
It's my car.
这是我的车。
It's public space.
这是公共空间。
I don't care how much money you have.
我不在乎你有多少钱。
I'm still allowed to park on the street.
我仍然可以在街上停车。
So the neighbor had cameras, guards, money, and, Eyal thought, cops they could talk into writing tickets for something that is not illegal.
所以邻居有摄像头、警卫、钱，而且埃亚尔认为，还有警察，他们可以说服他们为不违法的事情开罚单。
But Eyal had some moves, too.
但埃亚尔也有一些举动。
Sent the story to the tabloids, talked to reporters.
把这个故事发给小报，接受记者采访。
Then I wake up in the morning, and I see it online.
然后我早上醒来，我在网上看到了它。
And I'm like, whoa.
我想，哇。
It was the whole front page.
这是整个头版。
Uh-- Ira Glass We're in his apartment for this part of the conversation.
呃——艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我们在他的公寓里进行这部分谈话。
And he heads over to a cardboard box behind his couch, next to a bin of soccer and basketballs, rustles through some stuff, and pulls out three different days of the New York Daily News where this story is the front page.
他走到沙发后面的一个纸板箱前，旁边是一个装着足球和篮球的箱子，沙沙地翻阅着一些东西，然后拿出了三天的《纽约每日新闻》，其中这个故事是头版。
You can't buy that kind of real estate in New York either.
在纽约你也买不到那种房地产。
The front pages of the New York tabloids are like the Madison Square Garden of journalism, usually reserved for the top acts-- cheating celebrities, no-goodnik mayors, headless bodies in topless bars, A-Rod.
纽约小报的头版就像新闻业的麦迪逊广场花园，通常是为顶级人物保留的——作弊的名人、无良市长、裸照酒吧里的无头尸体、A-Rod。
So all over the first page, they've got a great headline, I think-- "Tow-tal Jerk."
所以在第一页上，我认为他们有一个很棒的标题——“Tow-tal Jerk”。
And they spelled total, T-O-W, dash, T-A-L.
他们拼写为“total”、“T-O-W”、“dash”、“T-A-L”。
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass Get it?
艾拉·格拉斯 明白吗？
Tow, like they towed his car.
拖，就像他们拖他的车一样。
He's interviewed for radio and TV.
他接受广播和电视采访。
There are follow-up stories.
还有后续的故事。
The mayor's office declares that hogging a parking space like this is shameful.
市长办公室宣称，像这样霸占停车位是可耻的。
The Department of Buildings sends out an inspector.
建筑部派出一名检查员。
And the billionaire Gottesman is eventually told that if he wants to call this a driveway, he needs to install a proper garage door.
亿万富翁戈特斯曼最终被告知，如果他想称之为车道，他需要安装一个合适的车库门。
Eyal gets why the story had such legs.
埃亚尔明白为什么这个故事有这样的腿。
It's got something for everybody.
它适合每个人。
A rich guy, a mansion, a car being towed, how the rich always get away with it.
有钱人，有豪宅，有车被拖，有钱人总是能侥幸逃脱。
It's David versus Goliath.
这是大卫与歌利亚的较量。
Eyal Levin Yeah.
埃亚尔·莱文 是的。
And I'm David.
我是大卫。
Nice to meet you.
很高兴见到你。
For the next few days, wherever I walk, I get stopped by neighbors.
接下来的几天，无论我走到哪里，都会被邻居拦住。
He learns that other people in the neighborhood have noticed the billionaire and his parking space.
他得知附近的其他人已经注意到了这位亿万富翁和他的停车位。
He becomes a magnet for their stories about run-ins with the neighbor's security guards.
他对他们与邻居保安发生冲突的故事很感兴趣。
In Eyal's building, when they had their annual meeting, there were people he's known for 10 years.
在埃亚尔的大楼里，当他们举行年会时，那里有他认识十年的人。
And I got applause there.
我在那里得到了掌声。
They were like, how did you do it?
他们说，你是怎么做到的？
And one older neighbor was like, I've been trying to fight them for years because I was so upset about it.
一位年长的邻居说，多年来我一直试图与他们抗争，因为我对此感到非常不安。
He doesn't even have a car, but just whenever he passes it, he was getting upset about it.
他甚至没有车，但每当他经过它时，他就会感到不安。
After talking to Eyal, I reached out to Noam Gotteman's spokesperson.
与埃亚尔交谈后，我联系了诺姆·戈特曼的发言人。
Noam Gottesman agreed to talk to me, though he didn't want me to record.
诺姆·戈特斯曼同意与我交谈，但他不希望我录音。
When we got on the phone, he told me he totally understood why people got so upset at Eyal's story.
当我们通电话时，他告诉我他完全理解为什么人们对埃亚尔的故事如此不安。
But he said Eyal is wrong about the most basic fact in the story.
但他表示，埃亚尔对故事中最基本事实的看法是错误的。
Eyal thinks it's legal to park in that space.
埃亚尔认为在那个地方停车是合法的。
And he thinks he only got a ticket because he was targeted by Noam's security guards.
他认为他只是因为成为诺姆保安人员的目标而得到罚单。
Noam Gottesman said that nobody can park there.
诺姆·戈特斯曼说没有人可以在那里停车。
That when he built his house, the curb was already cut low for a driveway-- had been that way for decades, and he left it that way.
当他建造自己的房子时，路缘石已经被削低以形成车道——几十年来一直如此，而他就这样保留了它。
And the Department of Buildings approved it as a loading bay and driveway.
建筑部批准将其作为装卸区和车道。
And he says they do load and unload stuff into his house through a massive door there.
他说他们确实通过一扇巨大的门将东西装卸到他的房子里。
Like I said, he's a big art collector.
就像我说的，他是一位大艺术收藏家。
Because it is approved by the city for this purpose, Noam said, it is not legal to park there, same as other driveways and loading bays in the neighborhood.
诺姆说，因为它得到了市政府的批准，所以在那里停车是不合法的，就像附近的其他车道和装卸区一样。
He says other cars have gotten tickets there.
他说其他车已经在那里拿到票了。
And in fact, he doesn't park there in front of his own home because he's gotten a ticket there.
事实上，他并没有把车停在自己家门前，因为他在那里拿到了罚单。
It was so many years ago.
那是很多年前的事了。
Unlike Eyal, he didn't have a copy he could show me.
与埃亚尔不同的是，他没有可以给我看的副本。
He says he pays to park in the garage, or he finds a parking space and then walks home like all the non-billionaires in the neighborhood do.
他说他付钱把车停在车库里，或者找到一个停车位然后像附近所有非亿万富翁一样步行回家。
I'm paraphrasing here.
我在这里转述一下。
He didn't actually call anybody a non-billionaire in our conversation.
在我们的谈话中，他实际上并没有称任何人为非亿万富翁。
But checking into it, I learned he's right.
但查了一下，我发现他是对的。
The space in front of Noam's house was, in fact, not a legal parking space.
事实上，诺姆家门前的空间并不是合法的停车位。
Eyal's ticket was legit.
埃亚尔的票是合法的。
I will note tickets seemed very rare for that spot.
我会注意到那个地方的门票似乎非常罕见。
The police told us they haven't issued one this whole year.
警方告诉我们，他们一整年都没有发出过任何警告。
And Noam says he's never heard of anybody else being towed from that spot besides Eyal.
诺姆说，除了埃亚尔之外，他从未听说过还有其他人被从那个地方拖走。
So if I had to guess, I would guess that after a half dozen arguments with Eyal, Noam's security guards were fed up with him and called over a friendly cop to write a ticket and called the towing company.
所以如果我不得不猜测的话，我猜诺姆的保安在与埃亚尔争论了六次之后，厌倦了他，并叫来了一位友好的警察写了一张罚单，并给拖车公司打电话。
When I suggested this to Noam, he categorically denied it.
当我向诺姆提出这个建议时，他断然拒绝了。
Said he did not arrange for that to happen, that he asked his security guards.
他说这不是他安排的，他问过他的保安。
They said they didn't do it either.
他们说他们也没有这样做。
Though the towing company did tell the Daily News that someone phoned from Noam's house to ask for Eyal's car to be towed.
不过，拖车公司确实告诉《每日新闻》，有人从诺姆家打电话要求拖走埃亚尔的车。
When I later asked Noam's spokesperson why they would say that, it is not true, she said she had no idea.
当我后来问诺姆的发言人为什么他们会这么说时，这不是真的，她说她不知道。
Eyal, meanwhile, doesn't buy it.
与此同时，埃亚尔并不买账。
He says there's no way he would have been towed without Noam's guards making it happen.
他说，如果没有诺姆的警卫，他不可能被拖走。
Says the city shouldn't have approved this as a driveway in the first place because it's not really a driveway in any normal sense of the word.
说市政府一开始就不应该批准这条车道作为车道，因为它实际上并不是任何正常意义上的车道。
But even though he thinks he's in the right--
但即使他认为自己是对的——
I didn't park again in that spot since it happened.
自从那件事发生后，我就没有再把车停在那个地方。
I'm sometimes tempted when I-- and then I'm like, I don't want to go to Maspeth again.
有时我会受到诱惑，然后我就想，我不想再去马斯佩斯了。
And this is where the bullying sometimes works.
这就是欺凌有时发生的地方。
Today, on our show, one man's bullying is another man's simple adherence to New York parking law.
今天，在我们的节目中，一个男人的欺凌行为是另一个男人对纽约停车法的简单遵守。
It's hard being neighbors when things get angry or ugly or seem unfair.
当事情变得愤怒、丑陋或看起来不公平时，做邻居就很难了。
It's like everybody is just stuck with each other.
就好像每个人都互相粘在一起。
You know, it's hard to move away.
你知道，离开是很难的。
Moving away is for quitters.
离开是为放弃者准备的。
Today, we have a story of a very different group of neighbors in a very different place.
今天，我们要讲述的是在一个非常不同的地方，一群非常不同的邻居的故事。
And a man moves in who breaks all kinds of rules, and the neighbors have to figure out what to do about it.
一个男人搬进来，违反了各种规定，邻居们必须想出办法来解决这个问题。
And nobody backs down.
没有人退缩。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, "Home, Home Near the Range." So what you're about to hear takes place not in a city, but in a small town in Vermont-- Pawlet, Vermont.
第一幕，“家，牧场附近的家”。所以你将要听到的故事不是发生在城市，而是发生在佛蒙特州的一个小镇——佛蒙特州波莱特。
Think rolling green hills, red barns.
想想连绵起伏的绿色山丘，红色的谷仓。
And pretty peaceful, until a stranger comes to town, buys up some land.
一切都很平静，直到一个陌生人来到镇上，买下了一些土地。
The neighbors aren't exactly sure what to make of this guy.
邻居们不知道该怎么看待这个家伙。
And then problems start.
然后问题就开始了。
And things escalate in a pretty serious and intense way, probably because this new guy, not only does he not play by the rules, in fact, he seems to feed off breaking them.
事情以一种非常严重和激烈的方式升级，可能是因为这个新人不仅不遵守规则，事实上，他似乎以违反规则为食。
This story's going to be the rest of our show today.
这个故事将是我们今天节目的其余部分。
Reporter Mike Giglio tells what happened.
记者迈克·吉利奥 (Mike Giglio) 讲述了事情的经过。
It all started with a gate.
一切都从一扇门开始。
A man named Daniel Banyai bought a wooded 30-acre property between some farmland and a slate quarry back in 2013.
2013 年，一位名叫丹尼尔·班亚伊 (Daniel Banyai) 的男子在一些农田和一个板岩采石场之间购买了一片树木繁茂的 30 英亩土地。
The neighbors didn't see much of him for a while.
邻居们有一段时间很少见到他了。
They noticed construction vehicles rumbling up and down the road.
他们注意到施工车辆在路上隆隆作响。
And they figured he was building a house.
他们认为他正在建造一座房子。
Mandy Hulett and her husband, Rich, owned a farm next to Daniel's property.
曼迪·休莱特 (Mandy Hulett) 和她的丈夫里奇 (Rich) 在丹尼尔的房产旁边拥有一个农场。
Here's Mandy.
这是曼迪。
A good friend of ours used to own that property.
我们的一个好朋友曾经拥有那处房产。
And he sold the property to him.
并且把房产卖给了他。
And the very first time we met him, he came down to the farm.
我们第一次见到他时，他来到了农场。
And he was actually-- he was OK.
他实际上——他很好。
But the next thing we knew-- it was like two weeks later-- he was erecting a gate on our property.
但接下来我们知道的事情——大约两周后——他在我们的财产上竖起一扇大门。
Daniel's land is actually surrounded by other people's property.
丹尼尔的土地实际上被其他人的财产包围着。
It's kind of like an island.
它有点像一座岛屿。
So in order to access it, he has the right to cross the Huletts' land.
因此，为了进入那里，他有权穿越胡勒特人的土地。
There's a long driveway.
有一条很长的车道。
Daniel put a gate at his end of it, but his gate was on the Huletts' property.
丹尼尔在他的尽头安装了一扇门，但他的门位于休莱特夫妇的财产上。
Mandy and Rich are in their 40s.
曼迪和里奇都 40 多岁了。
They have two kids.
他们有两个孩子。
They own a lot of farmland and a trucking company.
他们拥有大量农田和一家货运公司。
Rich grew up there.
里奇在那里长大。
His family's been in the area since before the Civil War.
他的家人在内战之前就一直住在这个地区。
So Rich approached him and said, "You do know that you put your gate-- I don't know-- 10 feet onto our property." And he's like, "I'll put my gate wherever I want to put my gate." And Rich said, "Well, in Vermont, we put our gate on our own property or on the property line, not on somebody else's property."
于是里奇走近他说：“你确实知道你把你的大门——我不知道——放在我们的地产上 10 英尺处。”他就像是，“我会把我的门放在我想把我的门放在任何地方。”里奇说：“嗯，在佛蒙特州，我们把大门放在我们自己的地产或地产界线上，而不是放在别人的地产上。”
And I think he gave him two or three weeks to remove it.
我认为他给了他两到三个星期的时间来删除它。
And if you don't, I'm going to come remove it.
如果你不这样做，我就会把它删除。
And he's like, "You're never going to get that out of the ground." So he gave him two or three weeks.
他说：“你永远无法把它从地里挖出来。”所以他给了他两三个星期的时间。
And he didn't move it.
而他却没有动它。
So Rich went up with a payloader and brought a witness with him as well and just picked it up off out of the ground and tossed it onto his property, back on his own property.
于是，里奇带着一辆运载车上去，还带了一名目击者，然后把它从地上捡起来，扔到他的财产上，又扔回他自己的财产上。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
So things were off to a bad start.
所以事情的开始就很糟糕。
Daniel was a newcomer to the area.
丹尼尔是该地区的新人。
He was from upstate New York, but other than that, he was guarded about his background.
他来自纽约州北部，但除此之外，他对自己的背景很谨慎。
He told one neighbor he'd been in the Army.
他告诉一位邻居他曾参军。
Then there was a rumor around town that he'd been a Navy SEAL or federal agent or something.
然后镇上就有谣言说他曾是一名海豹突击队队员或联邦特工什么的。
It wasn't clear.
目前还不清楚。
And just a word about the place he'd moved to-- this part of Pawlet, it's a bit isolated, up on a hill.
简单介绍一下他搬到的地方——波利特的这一部分，有点偏僻，在一座小山上。
There are about a dozen households all spread out along a couple of roads.
大约有十几户人家，分布在几条道路上。
There are the Huletts, John Davis, a Vietnam vet, and his wife, Val.
休莱特夫妇、越战老兵约翰·戴维斯和他的妻子瓦尔。
Then down the hill was Beth Duquette, a former librarian, and her husband, Ray.
然后下山的是前图书管理员贝丝·杜奎特 (Beth Duquette) 和她的丈夫雷 (Ray)。
Paul and Michelle Tilander are grandparents who moved to the area about 10 years ago.
保罗·蒂兰德 (Paul Tilander) 和米歇尔·蒂兰德 (Michelle Tilander) 是祖父母，大约 10 年前搬到该地区。
People are pretty private here, but they help each other out.
这里的人们都很私密，但他们互相帮助。
This is Ray and Michelle, who lives one house down from him.
这是雷和米歇尔，他们住在离他一栋楼的地方。
Paul and Michelle moved in next door to me.
保罗和米歇尔搬到我隔壁。
If you ever have an emergency, call me first, then call 911, because the cops won't show up, but I will.
如果您遇到紧急情况，请先给我打电话，然后拨打 911，因为警察不会出现，但我会出现。
Most of them came here for the landscape and the quiet.
他们大多数人来这里是为了风景和安静。
And then, one day, the woods erupted with gunfire, hundreds and hundreds of rounds.
然后，有一天，树林里爆发出数百发的枪声。
This is Beth Moser-Duquette, the former librarian.
我是前图书管理员贝丝·莫泽-杜奎特 (Beth Moser-Duquette)。
I mean, it was just shooting on a daily basis, like di-di-di-di-di.
我的意思是，这只是日常拍摄，就像滴滴滴滴一样。
Di-di-di-di-di.
滴-滴-滴-滴-滴。
I want to point out, Pawlet is not a gun-shy town.
我想指出的是，波莱特并不是一个怕枪的小镇。
Beth told me that gunfire is the sound of Vermont.
贝丝告诉我，枪声是佛蒙特州的声音。
She's a longtime NRA member.
她是全国步枪协会的长期会员。
The area's mixed politically.
该地区政治局势复杂。
Some of the neighbors voted for Trump.
一些邻居投票支持特朗普。
Others went for Biden.
其他人则支持拜登。
But none of them has a problem with firearms.
但他们都没有枪支问题。
Farmers have their varmint guns, and hunters have their rifles.
农民有他们的灭鼠枪，猎人有他们的步枪。
And no one bats an eye at a neighbor doing some practice with an AR-15.
当邻居用 AR-15 进行练习时，没有人会眨眼。
This was different.
这是不同的。
We didn't know what was going on.
我们不知道发生了什么事。
We were like, what, it sounds like Vietnam.
我们当时想，这听起来像越南。
This is Michelle Tilander, the grandmother who lives with her husband, Paul.
这是米歇尔·蒂兰德，与丈夫保罗住在一起的祖母。
Here in Vermont, you expect to hear somebody out there, plunking away at their targets, getting ready for turkey season or hunting season or just keeping their firearms in tune.
在佛蒙特州，您希望听到有人在那里猛击目标，为火鸡季节或狩猎季节做好准备，或者只是保持枪械的调准。
We do that.
我们这样做。
That's expected, but not what we heard.
这是预料之中的，但不是我们听到的。
That was totally out of the zone.
那完全超出了我们的范围。
Did you try to approach him at that point?
那时你有尝试接近他吗？
No, at that point, I was too afraid to approach anybody that was firing that much weaponry because that's not normal, certainly for this area.
不，那时，我太害怕接近任何发射这么多武器的人，因为这不正常，尤其是对于这个地区。
I don't think I would want to approach anybody that was firing off 1,000 rounds.
我认为我不想接近任何发射 1,000 发子弹的人。
That's scary.
太可怕了。
Daniel had opened up a gun range.
丹尼尔开辟了一个射击场。
John Davis, the Vietnam vet, was tipped off about it by a friend.
越战老兵约翰·戴维斯 (John Davis) 是从朋友那里得知此事的。
John got in his truck and drove up and down the hill, knocking on doors to alert everyone.
约翰钻进卡车，在山上上下行驶，敲门提醒大家。
He told me it was like Paul Revere's ride.
他告诉我这就像保罗·里维尔的骑行。
Mandy Hulett and another neighbor walked the property line around Daniel's place.
曼迪·休莱特和另一位邻居在丹尼尔家周围的地产界线上行走。
They peered through the trees and saw some silhouette targets in dirt berms.
他们透过树林往里看，看到泥土护堤上有一些目标的轮廓。
Mandy worried that someone would end up shooting towards the road.
曼迪担心有人会向马路开枪。
And the trajectory of those bullets is actually right to my brother-in-law's house and then right to the school, right over the hill.
而那些子弹的轨迹实际上是向右射向我姐夫的房子，然后向右向学校，就在山那边。
The neighbors did not want a shooting range in their backyard.
邻居们不想在他们的后院设立射击场。
Daniel had filed for a permit not to open a shooting range, but for what he called a school, apparently where he would do classroom firearms instruction.
丹尼尔申请的不是开放射击场的许可证，而是为他所谓的学校申请的许可证，显然他将在那里进行课堂枪械教学。
In order to build the school on his property, Daniel needed permission to widen his driveway through the neighbor's land.
为了在他的土地上建造学校，丹尼尔需要获得许可才能拓宽穿过邻居土地的车道。
So he asked the Huletts if they would give him the extra space.
所以他问休莱特夫妇是否愿意给他额外的空间。
The Huletts said no. His neighbors on the other side said no as well.
休莱特夫妇说不。他另一边的邻居也说不。
Daniel's permit application for a school was denied, but he'd already put up the building, and he just kept going.
丹尼尔的学校许可申请被拒绝了，但他已经盖起了大楼，而且他只是继续前进。
He also didn't have the right permit to operate a shooting range on his land.
他也没有在自己的土地上经营射击场的适当许可证。
But of course, he was doing that, too.
但当然，他也在这样做。
What he was developing was a sprawling facility, the kind that military contractors or law enforcement or self-styled militia might use.
他正在开发的是一个庞大的设施，军事承包商、执法部门或自封的民兵可能会使用的那种设施。
He called it Slate Ridge.
他称其为石板岭。
I reached out to Daniel.
我联系了丹尼尔。
He didn't want to be interviewed.
他不想接受采访。
But he lays the whole thing out in this YouTube video.
但他在 YouTube 视频中讲述了整个事情。
Slate Ridge is 100% predicated on the practitioner model.
Slate Ridge 100% 基于从业者模型。
Gunfighters, professionals that use the firearm as a tool in the line of their employment.
枪手是在工作中使用枪支作为工具的专业人士。
Daniel is six feet tall and stout, with a bushy beard.
丹尼尔身高六英尺，身材粗壮，留着浓密的胡须。
That's how he talks-- lots of jargon.
他就是这样说话的——很多行话。
The video is shot by a dude named Adam McLain, who associates himself with the Boogaloo Bois, an armed movement that calls for civil war.
这段视频是由一个名叫亚当·麦克莱恩 (Adam McLain) 的家伙拍摄的，他与布加卢森林组织 (Boogaloo Bois) 有联系，这是一个呼吁内战的武装运动。
His Twitter handle is boojahideen.
他的 Twitter 账号是 boojahideen。
So this is Range One.
这就是范围一。
This is what started Slate Ridge, right?
这就是 Slate Ridge 的起源，对吧？
I built this first.
我先建了这个。
And I continued to proceed on my dream.
而我也继续朝着我的梦想前进。
He shows Adam the school and a surprisingly fancy bunkhouse and two shooting ranges, one with a wraparound berm that's intended to let people fire in multiple directions to more closely mirror real-life combat.
他向亚当展示了学校、一座令人惊讶的豪华工棚和两个射击场，其中一个有一个环绕式护堤，旨在让人们向多个方向射击，以更接近地反映现实生活中的战斗。
There's a spot where people can practice entering and clearing a building and a place where they can detonate explosives.
有一个地方可以让人们练习进入和清理建筑物，也有一个地方可以引爆爆炸物。
After the tour, Daniel and Adam sit down for an interview.
参观结束后，丹尼尔和亚当坐下来接受采访。
So you're a private contractor.
所以你是一个私人承包商。
How long were you a private contractor for?
您担任私人承包商多久了？
For several years.
已经好几年了。
Adam McLain For several years?
亚当·麦克莱恩 几年了？
In the video, Daniel is wearing green military style cargo pants and green wraparound shades.
在视频中，丹尼尔穿着绿色军装风格工装裤和绿色环绕式墨镜。
He tells Adam the origin story of Slate Ridge.
他向亚当讲述了石板岭的起源故事。
He says the idea came to him on his first overseas deployment as a private military contractor.
他说，这个想法是他作为私人军事承包商第一次海外部署时产生的。
I remember that day like it was just yesterday.
我记得那一天就像昨天一样。
I bumped up with about 12 guys that I had no idea who they were.
我遇到了大约 12 个我不知道他们是谁的人。
I didn't know much about them.
我对他们了解不多。
I tried out with these guys.
我和这些人一起尝试过。
I made it on the team.
我在团队中做到了。
And then we get there, right?
然后我们就到了那里，对吗？
We're out of the United States of America.
我们离开了美利坚合众国。
And we're in it.
我们也在其中。
And that night, when we hit our bunks, I watched-- with all due respect, because some of those guys I have become very good friends with.
那天晚上，当我们上床睡觉时，我怀着应有的尊重观看了比赛，因为其中一些人我已经成为了非常好的朋友。
Some of those guys are my battle buddies now, and some of those guys, I would bleed for them.
其中一些人现在是我的战友，其中一些人，我愿意为他们流血。
But a lot of them turned into a totally different person.
但他们中的很多人却变成了完全不同的人。
Here, we had men crying, shivering, and second guessing themselves.
在这里，人们哭泣、颤抖，并重新审视自己。
And I sat there, and I watched these men.
我坐在那里，看着这些人。
And I said, wow, what did I get myself into?
我说，哇，我陷入了什么困境？
The problem was they weren't properly trained.
问题是他们没有经过适当的训练。
So he decided to start his own training facility.
因此，他决定创办自己的培训机构。
He tells Adam he put $1.6 million of his own money into building the place.
他告诉 Adam，他自己投入了 160 万美元来建造这个地方。
To Daniel, Slate Ridge is more than a shooting range.
对丹尼尔来说，石板岭不仅仅是一个射击场。
It's a place for people who define themselves by owning guns.
这是一个为那些通过拥有枪支来定义自己的人的地方。
He refers to himself as a professional gunfighter.
他称自己为职业枪手。
In the military, we had the three M's-- the mission, the men, then me.
在军队中，我们有三个M——使命、人员，然后是我。
I'm always at the last.
我总是排在最后。
"I'm an Army guy," he tells Adam.
“我是一名军人，”他告诉亚当。
Daniel talks about his service a lot.
丹尼尔经常谈论他的服务。
At one town meeting, where he made his case for the school building, he described himself as a veteran who's passionate about guns.
在一次镇会议上，他阐述了学校建筑的主张，并称自己是一名热衷于枪支的退伍军人。
He paints his work as a private contractor in patriotic terms.
他用爱国主义的语言描绘了自己作为私人承包商的作品。
In court, he tells a state judge--
在法庭上，他告诉州法官——
OK, Your Honor, last thing I'd like to add is that, within 30 days, I will be out of the country--
好的，法官大人，我最后想补充的是，30 天内，我将出国——
Let me ask you this.
让我问你这个。
How long are you gone for?
你走了多久？
I'm not sure.
我不知道。
I'm waiting for the deployment orders to come in.
我正在等待部署命令的到来。
It may be a few months.
可能要几个月。
OK, all right.
好吧，好吧。
Well, please be safe in those travels, OK?
好吧，请旅途中注意安全，好吗？
And thank you for your service, sir.
先生，谢谢您的服务。
The neighbors wondered if even the most basic part of his biography, that he'd been in the military, was a lie.
邻居们怀疑他的传记中最基本的部分，即他曾参军，是否都是谎言。
John Davis, the Vietnam vet, wasn't sure he bought it.
越战老兵约翰·戴维斯不确定自己是否买了它。
If you're a veteran, there's nothing more disreputable than somebody claims to be something he isn't.
如果你是一名退伍军人，没有什么比有人声称自己不是这样的人更不名誉的了。
And I have no use for people that go around and act like they're something they aren't.
我不喜欢那些到处表现得好像他们不是的人。
After Slate Ridge opened at the end of 2017, its Facebook page racked up a few thousand followers.
Slate Ridge 于 2017 年底开业后，其 Facebook 页面吸引了数千名粉丝。
Daniel started referring to them as "the Slate Ridge family." He hosted classes on shooting and tactical training and field first aid.
丹尼尔开始称他们为“Slate Ridge 家族”。他主持了射击、战术训练和野外急救课程。
The neighbors would see strangers driving up and down their shared dirt road.
邻居们会看到陌生人在他们共用的土路上来回行驶。
Sometimes the shooting would go on all weekend.
有时拍摄会持续整个周末。
The neighbors hadn't been all that close before this started, just friendly in that small town kind of way.
在这件事开始之前，邻居们的关系并不那么亲密，只是像小镇那样友好。
But the conflict with Daniel brought them together.
但与但以理的冲突使他们走到了一起。
They started meeting in John Davis's workshop.
他们开始在约翰·戴维斯的工作室见面。
Sometimes a couple dozen people would show up.
有时会出现几十个人。
Their weapon of choice was as American as the Winchester rifle-- zoning laws, those most basic rules for how neighbors are going to live next to one another.
他们选择的武器就像温彻斯特步枪一样是美国式的——分区法，这些关于邻居如何相邻生活的最基本规则。
This area was zoned residential and agricultural.
该地区被划为住宅区和农业区。
Daniel went back to the town and argued for a variance in the zoning laws so he could finally get a permit for the school building.
丹尼尔回到镇上，主张修改分区法，这样他最终可以获得学校建筑的许可。
46 people signed a petition opposing this.
46人签署请愿书反对此事。
They showed up at the town meeting in force.
他们成群结队地出现在镇会议上。
Here's Michelle.
这是米歇尔。
I thought maybe the town would step in, and we'd go to a couple select board meetings.
我想镇上也许会介入，我们会参加一些精选的董事会会议。
We thought for sure it would be brought under control, I'd say within six months.
我们确信它会得到控制，我想说在六个月内。
There's no recording of the meeting where Daniel asked for the zoning variance, but there's official minutes.
没有丹尼尔要求分区差异的会议记录，但有官方会议记录。
This kind of captures the feeling of it.
这种捕捉它的感觉。
Quote, "Gary Hadeka addressed the board as an abutting landowner and interested party.
引用：“加里·哈德卡（Gary Hadeka）以邻接的土地所有者和利益相关方的身份向董事会发表讲话。
Mr. Hadeka explained that as an owner of a horse stable, they have a lot to lose, that they do not want to live through a war, and that they were there first.
哈德卡先生解释说，作为马厩的主人，他们会失去很多，他们不想经历战争，而且他们首先就在那里。
He expressed that he wishes to stay on their property and is entitled to peace and quiet."
他表示他希望留在他们的财产上，并有权享受和平与安宁。”
But the town zoning board decided in Daniel's favor.
但城镇分区委员会做出了对丹尼尔有利的决定。
Said he was right.
说他是对的。
He could have his zoning variance for the school building.
他可以对教学楼进行分区差异。
The neighbors appealed.
邻居提出上诉。
For the next few years, he'd apply for permits.
在接下来的几年里，他会申请许可证。
They'd try to stop him.
他们会试图阻止他。
Sometimes they won.
有时他们赢了。
Sometimes he won, and they'd appeal to the town or the state court.
有时他赢了，他们就会向镇或州法院上诉。
Eventually, the town of Pawlet took the neighbors' side and filed a case against Daniel, too, for violating its zoning laws.
最终，波利特镇站在邻居一边，也对丹尼尔提起诉讼，指控他违反了分区法。
But this kind of thing can move really slowly.
但这种事情进展得非常缓慢。
Beth, the former librarian, knew the state's environmental laws and looked for a way to use them against Daniel.
前图书管理员贝丝了解该州的环境法，并寻找一种方法来利用这些法律来对付丹尼尔。
She peered into his property from a neighbor's yard one day and noticed what looked like wetlands.
有一天，她从邻居的院子里往他的房子里看，发现那里看起来像湿地。
Those are often protected in Vermont, which is no small thing because the state can crack down on people for even small seeming environmental problems, like manure.
这些在佛蒙特州通常受到保护，这可不是一件小事，因为即使是看似很小的环境问题，比如粪便，该州也可以对人们进行严厉打击。
We're farmers, so we're allowed to spread manure.
我们是农民，所以我们可以撒粪。
From April 15, we start to spread our manure, and December 15 is our cutoff.
从4月15日开始，我们开始撒粪，12月15日是我们的截止日期。
December 16 comes along, and you spread, Agency of Natural Resources would be so quick here, like on a fly on you-know-what.
12 月 16 日快到了，大家都在说，自然资源局在这里的速度会很快，就像乘坐飞机一样。
And we'd be fined.
我们会被罚款。
Beth's an environmentalist.
贝丝是一位环保主义者。
She was on a local conservation board at the time.
当时她是当地保护委员会的成员。
She contacted the state's Department of Agriculture and the Natural Resources Board, trying to get someone to investigate.
她联系了该州农业部和自然资源委员会，试图找人进行调查。
There was no quick response.
没有快速回应。
Nobody stepped in to stop Daniel.
没有人介入阻止丹尼尔。
And it was all falling upon deaf ears.
而这一切都被置若罔闻。
Who do we go to?
我们去找谁？
Who do we tell?
我们告诉谁？
Who do we talk to?
我们跟谁说话？
Daniel fought back, and not just in the town hall and the courts.
丹尼尔进行了反击，而且不仅仅是在市政厅和法庭上。
In the winter of 2019, the neighbors got holiday cards with the Slate Ridge logo printed on them.
2019 年冬天，邻居们收到了印有 Slate Ridge 标志的节日贺卡。
Each one had a handwritten message.
每个人都有一条手写的信息。
Here's Michelle Tilander, the grandmother, and John Davis, the Paul Revere guy.
这是米歇尔·蒂兰德，祖母，和约翰·戴维斯，保罗·里维尔。
Yeah, all of us in the neighborhood got one.
是的，我们附近的所有人都得到了一个。
And some of them were pretty--
其中一些很漂亮——
Can I read mine?
我可以读我的吗？
Michelle Tilander Yes, you can.
米歇尔·蒂兰德 是的，你可以。
I got together with a group of these neighbors on Beth's front lawn.
我和一群邻居在贝丝家前的草坪上聚会。
She set out a table with muffins and Dunkin' Donuts coffee.
她摆了一张桌子，上面有松饼和邓肯甜甜圈咖啡。
Let me see.
让我看看。
There's mine.
这是我的。
Some of them were pretty filthy, so there's some I'm not going to read, but there you go, John.
其中一些非常肮脏，所以有些我不会读，但你就读吧，约翰。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
This is Mr. and Mrs. Davis, and our address, a.k.a.
这是戴维斯先生和夫人，我们的地址，又名：
Davis Trash.
戴维斯垃圾。
"From all of us at Slate Ridge, we wanted to wish you two miserable souls a wonderful holiday season.
“Slate Ridge 的所有人祝愿你们这两个悲惨的灵魂度过一个美好的假期。
People hate you two inbreds.
人们讨厌你们两个近亲繁殖的人。
We are so fortunate you are our neighbors.
我们很幸运你是我们的邻居。
Please feel free to move away, because no one likes alcoholics." Because we have a front porch, and in the summer, at the end of the day, we'll sit out there and have a beer.
请随意离开，因为没有人喜欢酗酒者。”因为我们有一个前廊，在夏天，一天结束时，我们会坐在外面喝啤酒。
But I mean, this is just typical.
但我的意思是，这只是典型的。
They're all like this.
他们都是这样的。
Oh, this-- did you want me to read yours?
哦，这个——你想让我读你的吗？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Michelle Tilander Oh, this is disgusting.
米歇尔·蒂兰德哦，这太恶心了。
The cards are in these binders.
卡片就在这些活页夹里。
The neighbors brought them to the meeting, in this huge plastic bin, the kind you'd store your old clothes in.
邻居们把它们带到了聚会上，放在一个巨大的塑料箱里，就是用来存放旧衣服的那种。
They're each labeled carefully with a label maker.
它们均由标签制造商仔细贴上标签。
There's "Pawlet Zoning Regulations" and "Slate Ridge Facebook Postings" and "Odds and Ends/Unfinished Business." This was the moment I realized how much the conflict with Daniel had taken over the neighbors' lives.
其中有“Pawlet 分区条例”、“Slate Ridge Facebook 帖子”和“零碎/未完成的事情”。就在那一刻，我意识到与丹尼尔的冲突在多大程度上影响了邻居的生活。
There's maybe 20 of these binders.
这些活页夹可能有 20 个。
And inside are all the pieces of information that the neighbors have spent the last few years obsessively documenting about Daniel and Slate Ridge.
里面是邻居们在过去几年里痴迷于记录有关丹尼尔和斯莱特里奇的所有信息。
Michelle, what does this say on the inside of this binder here?
米歇尔，这个活页夹里面写着什么？
Threats, postal cards, and then also some stalking problems here.
威胁、明信片，还有一些跟踪问题。
OK-- Michelle Tilander But all the threats.
好吧——米歇尔·蒂兰德 但所有的威胁。
Everything, we try to keep it compiled.
一切，我们都尽力保持编译。
I asked the neighbors where they keep the binders, and they wouldn't tell me.
我问邻居把活页夹放在哪里，他们不告诉我。
They'd only say it was a remote, locked facility.
他们只是说这是一个偏远、上锁的设施。
Here's Paul, describing a Facebook post they've got in one of the binders.
保罗正在描述其中一个活页夹中的一篇 Facebook 帖子。
It was on the Slate Ridge page.
它位于 Slate Ridge 页面上。
He put a picture of our house.
他放了一张我们家的照片。
And he captioned it, "Any day above ground is a good day.
他还写道：“地面上的任何一天都是美好的一天。
These people will be leaving soon."
这些人很快就会离开。”
Unsafe.
不安全。
Mike Giglio And this is John Davis again.
迈克·吉利奥（Mike Giglio） 这又是约翰·戴维斯（John Davis）。
John and his wife moved to Pawlet 43 years ago, in large part because his PTSD was so bad when he came back from Vietnam.
约翰和他的妻子 43 年前搬到了波利特，很大程度上是因为他从越南回来后患有严重的创伤后应激障碍 (PTSD)。
He wanted the quiet.
他想要安静。
My wife and I were down and visiting my sister for about three days.
我和我的妻子去看望了我姐姐大约三天。
And he posted on his website, the Davises are away.
他在自己的网站上发帖称，戴维斯一家不在。
And then some of his disciples posted, "Oh, really?
然后他的一些弟子发帖说：“哦，真的吗？
They're away." So we cut our visit short.
他们走了。”所以我们缩短了访问时间。
Last fall, the Slate Ridge Facebook account posted a photo of an SUV and said they were looking for one like it to use for something called vehicle assault class, where the vehicle will be shot and then blown up.
去年秋天，Slate Ridge 的 Facebook 账户发布了一张 SUV 的照片，并表示他们正在寻找一辆类似的SUV，用于所谓的车辆攻击课程，车辆将被射击然后炸毁。
The SUV in the post was the exact same make, model, and color as an SUV the Huletts' daughter had recently bought.
帖子中的 SUV 的品牌、型号和颜色与 Hulett 的女儿最近购买的 SUV 完全相同。
Another time, the account posted a video.
还有一次，该帐户发布了一段视频。
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a 9 millimeter, full metal jacket, 115 grain bullet--
女士们先生们，这是一枚 9 毫米、全金属外壳、115 格令的子弹——
While Daniel narrates, the video shows a close up of a bronze bullet, then pans to the driver's side of a silver car.
当丹尼尔叙述时，视频显示了一颗青铜子弹的特写，然后平移到一辆银色汽车的驾驶员一侧。
--that went through this door, through the car.
——穿过这扇门，穿过汽车。
The door has been shot through multiple times, right where someone has written the words, "R.
门被多次射穿，就在有人写下“R.
Hulett Trucking" on it.
休利特卡车运输”就在上面。
That's the name of one of the businesses the Huletts own.
这是休利特家族拥有的一家企业的名称。
So if you think that you can hide in your car and be safe behind the door from a bullet, you're wrong.
因此，如果您认为可以躲在车里并躲在车门后面免受子弹袭击，那您就错了。
Mandy Hulett eventually got a no-stalking order against Daniel.
曼迪·休莱特最终获得了针对丹尼尔的禁止跟踪令。
And the Slate Ridge Facebook page is down now.
Slate Ridge 的 Facebook 页面现已关闭。
But the neighbors say it was not just threats, but accusations, smears, and that Slate Ridge supporters would then like and comment on the posts.
但邻居们表示，这不仅仅是威胁，还有指控、诽谤，石板岭的支持者会对这些帖子点赞和评论。
It's just to threaten.
无非是为了威胁而已。
It's idle threats.
这是毫无意义的威胁。
And it's just, once again, psychological warfare.
这又只是一场心理战。
It's idle unless one of his knuckleheads that's been going up there takes it a different way and takes it to another level.
它是闲置的，除非他的一个傻瓜一直在那里以不同的方式将它带到另一个水平。
Yes.
是的。
Mike Giglio They worried about Daniel's supporters.
迈克·吉利奥 他们担心丹尼尔的支持者。
A few of the people training at Slate Ridge suggested online that they were affiliated with national militant groups, like the Three Percenters or a small local outfit with the grandiose name of the Vermont State Militia.
一些在石板岭接受训练的人在网上表示，他们隶属于全国性激进组织，例如“百分之三”或一个名为“佛蒙特州民兵”的当地小型组织。
Some of the neighbors did go to the police.
一些邻居确实报了警。
But none of the things that Daniel and his supporters were doing seemed likely to bring criminal charges.
但丹尼尔和他的支持者所做的一切似乎都不可能引发刑事指控。
It can be really hard to prosecute threats like these, unless they're very specific.
除非威胁非常具体，否则很难起诉此类威胁。
Daniel didn't just go after the neighbors.
丹尼尔不只是追杀邻居。
He made it sound like the town itself was conspiring against him.
他听起来好像整个城镇都在密谋反对他。
They were all in league with the Huletts, who he saw as his main opposition.
他们都与胡勒特队结盟，他将胡勒特队视为他的主要对手。
Here he is at one town meeting, accusing the board of treating him unfairly.
他正在参加一次镇会议，指责董事会对待他不公平。
I believe Mr. Bob Jones has a conflict of interest and has suppressed my rights and my existence in this community on three facts.
我相信鲍勃·琼斯先生存在利益冲突，并基于三个事实压制了我的权利和我在这个社区中的存在。
Daniel points out that Jones, a board member, has worked for the trucking company owned by the Hulett family.
丹尼尔指出，董事会成员琼斯曾在休利特家族拥有的卡车运输公司工作。
Then he pivots to a different and very surprising attack.
然后他转向一种不同的、非常令人惊讶的进攻。
Furthermore, furthermore, this man has attended a Klan meeting by the group.
此外，此人还参加了该组织的一次三K党会议。
The meeting he's talking about is one of the ones the neighbors held to strategize about shutting down Daniel and Slate Ridge.
他所说的这次会议是邻居们举行的会议之一，目的是制定关闭丹尼尔和斯莱特里奇的策略。
But Daniel is calling it a Klan meeting, as in the Ku Klux Klan.
但丹尼尔称其为三K党会议，就像三K党一样。
Like, he's saying the neighbors are the KKK.
比如，他说邻居是三K党。
This is part of a long-running and completely unsubstantiated claim of his that Pawlet is somehow run by white supremacists.
这是他长期且完全未经证实的主张的一部分，即波莱特在某种程度上是由白人至上主义者统治的。
You think it's funny.
你觉得这很有趣。
You think it's funny.
你觉得这很有趣。
And also had proceeded when the Hulett family took my gate down on my property.
当休利特家族拆除我的财产大门时，这件事也发生了。
How is that legal for him to be here and to vote and not recuse and not have a misconduct?
他来这里投票而不回避并且没有不当行为怎么可能合法呢？
Mr. Cleveland, you laugh, too.
克利夫兰先生，你也笑了。
The first six months of this opposition here, your son, Kenneth, was dating a Hulett.
在这场对立的头六个月里，你的儿子肯尼思正在和一个休莱特约会。
How can we not believe she didn't tell your son to tell you rhetoric to vote against me or diminish or sequester my rights in this community?
我们怎么能不相信她没有告诉你的儿子告诉你投票反对我或减少或剥夺我在这个社区的权利的言论？
You went to a Klan meeting, too.
你也参加了三K党会议。
I didn't go to any Klan meeting, let me tell you.
让我告诉你，我没有参加任何三K党会议。
The meeting you went to, whatever the verbiage is, you were not supposed to be there.
你参加的会议，无论用什么措辞，你都不应该参加。
It's as simple as that.
就这么简单。
I believe I went to the very first meeting they had.
我相信我参加了他们的第一次会议。
And that was to collect information.
那就是收集信息。
OK, you're not supposed-- Mr. Cleveland Which I did.
好吧，你不应该——克利夫兰先生，我做到了。
All right, you're not supposed to be doing that.
好吧，你不应该这样做。
OK, and furthermore, I don't think-- anyhow.
好吧，而且，我不认为——无论如何。
Listen.
听。
Mr. Cleveland I don't think you need to drag my son into it either.
克利夫兰先生，我认为你也没有必要把我儿子也拖进去。
We're not dragging your son, but it's not ethical.
我们不会拖累你儿子，但这不道德。
You need to recuse yourself.
你需要自行回避。
You cannot allow these degenerates to start making things against me in this town, and then you vote on it.
你不能允许这些堕落者在这个镇上开始制造反对我的事情，然后你再投票。
I think-- I think this is-- before this gets out of control--
我认为——我认为这是——在事情失控之前——
It's not going to get out of control.
它不会失控。
I have complete control.
我有完全的控制权。
Daniel ramped up his attacks in the town.
丹尼尔加强了对镇上的攻击。
One post on the Slate Ridge Facebook page included a picture of Pawlet's town hall and said, quote, "No alarm, no security camera, single pane windows, no deadbolts, 30 to 40 minutes police response time, dead zone for all cell service, no safe room." People wrote in the comments that it was a soft target and noted the women on staff often worked late.
Slate Ridge Facebook 页面上的一篇帖子附上了 Pawlet 市政厅的照片，并写道：“没有警报，没有安全摄像头，单窗格窗户，没有门闩，警察响应时间为 30 到 40 分钟，所有手机服务都有盲区，没有安全室。”人们在评论中写道，这是一个软目标，并指出女性员工经常工作到很晚。
Another post urged supporters to assemble at a town meeting with weapons and trauma kits, though none of them actually showed up.
另一篇帖子敦促支持者携带武器和创伤工具包参加城镇会议，但实际上他们都没有出现。
There were other problems, too.
还有其他问题。
In 2018, Daniel was banned from Pace University, where he'd been studying for a master's degree in Homeland Security.
2018 年，丹尼尔被佩斯大学禁止入读，当时他正在该大学攻读国土安全硕士学位。
He'd allegedly sent a dean death threats over a text message.
据称他曾通过短信向院长发出死亡威胁。
That led to a judge's order suspending his pistol permit in New York and requiring Daniel to surrender his firearms.
这导致法官下令暂停他在纽约的手枪许可证，并要求丹尼尔交出枪支。
When police searched his house, they found a handgun, which led prosecutors in New York to charge him with two felonies for criminal possession.
当警察搜查他的房子时，他们发现了一把手枪，这导致纽约检察官指控他犯有两项刑事持有重罪。
Those are not resolved yet.
这些还没有解决。
According to a prosecutor, the majority of Daniel's pistols were transferred out of state, presumably to Vermont.
据检察官称，丹尼尔的大部分手枪被转移到州外，可能转移到佛蒙特州。
Up on the hill in Pawlet, the conflict was threatening to spiral.
在波利特的山上，冲突有升级的危险。
A sign posted on Daniel's property read, "Trespass here, die here." One night, two boys were bow hunting on the Huletts' property.
丹尼尔的财产上贴着一块牌子，上面写着：“侵入这里，死在这里。”一天晚上，两个男孩在胡莱特家的庄园里用弓箭打猎。
Here's what happened next, according to allegations made to police.
根据警方的指控，接下来发生的事情如下。
They shot a deer and tracked it to Daniel's land.
他们射杀了一头鹿并追踪它到丹尼尔的土地。
As they approached, Daniel came down and threatened them.
当他们走近时，丹尼尔下来威胁他们。
One boy called his dad.
一个男孩打电话给他的爸爸。
Things escalated.
事情升级了。
When Daniel asked them to identify themselves, they refused.
当丹尼尔要求他们表明身份时，他们拒绝了。
And then Daniel said, "OK, you want to play that game?
然后丹尼尔说：“好吧，你想玩那个游戏吗？
I'll shoot you." Nobody got hurt in the end.
我会开枪打死你。”最后没有人受伤。
Daniel disputed that he threatened anyone.
丹尼尔否认他威胁过任何人。
No charges were filed.
没有提出任何指控。
Coming up, reporter Mike Giglio looks into Daniel's background to try to figure out who Daniel really is and just how worried the neighbors should be.
接下来，记者迈克·吉利奥调查了丹尼尔的背景，试图弄清楚丹尼尔到底是谁以及邻居们应该有多担心。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, "Don't You Be My Neighbor." We're devoting most of the hour today to the story of Pawlet, Vermont and what happened when one new person moved in.
今天的节目是《别做我的邻居》。今天我们用大部分时间来讲述佛蒙特州波利特的故事，以及一位新人搬进来后发生的事情。
In this next part of the story, reporter Mike Giglio tries to answer the questions that lots of people in town had about their new neighbor.
在故事的下一部分中，记者迈克·吉利奥试图回答镇上很多人对他们的新邻居的疑问。
Here's Mike.
这是迈克。
I started writing about militia groups and civil violence last year.
我去年开始撰写有关民兵组织和民间暴力的文章。
Ever since, I've been getting emails from people who are afraid of their neighbors.
从那时起，我就不断收到那些害怕邻居的人发来的电子邮件。
There was a Tennessee woman who suspected that hers were getting ready for, quote, "a bloodbath." A Michigan man who asked me if he should report a high school friend to authorities because of his Facebook posts.
有一位田纳西州妇女怀疑她正在为“一场大屠杀”做好准备。一名密歇根男子问我是否应该因为一名高中朋友在 Facebook 上发布的帖子而向当局举报。
People wanted me to help them figure out how dangerous was their neighbor.
人们希望我帮助他们弄清楚他们的邻居有多危险。
That was how I heard about Slate Ridge and Daniel.
我就是这样听说Slate Ridge和Daniel的。
Someone who lives near Pawlet sent me a message asking if I might want to investigate.
住在波莱特附近的人给我发了一条消息，询问我是否愿意调查。
You can drive yourself crazy these days, wondering if everyone threatening violence is serious or only trolling.
这些天你可能会把自己逼疯，想知道每个威胁暴力的人是认真的还是只是恶搞。
When I was interviewing people in militia groups last year, for example, I often had the feeling that it was all just posturing.
比如去年我采访民兵组织的时候，我常常有一种感觉，那就是装腔作势。
That all their talk about civil violence was just a mask for other anxieties.
他们所有关于民间暴力的谈论只是其他焦虑的面具。
Then some people affiliated with these groups-- according to the FBI, at least-- took part in the attack on the US Capitol.
然后，一些与这些组织有联系的人——至少根据联邦调查局的说法——参与了对美国国会大厦的袭击。
People can seem like they're not really serious until they are.
人们在真正认真之前可能会显得并不认真。
Daniel Banyai's neighbors don't know how scared they should be of him, like how Mandy Hulett said in one moment that he's probably just full of hot air, but also has that no-stalking order against him.
丹尼尔·班亚伊的邻居们不知道他们应该对他有多害怕，就像曼迪·休莱特在某一时刻说的那样，他可能只是在胡言乱语，但也有针对他的禁止跟踪令。
And she wrote a Facebook post saying she wanted people to know about Daniel's threats, in case anything ever happened to her.
她在脸书上发帖称，她希望人们知道丹尼尔的威胁，以防她发生任何事情。
And for all the research into Daniel, in the end, neighbors really don't know that much about his background.
尽管对丹尼尔进行了所有研究，但归根结底，邻居们对他的背景确实了解不多。
I spoke on the phone with him a couple of times, but he wouldn't let me record him.
我和他通了几次电话，但他不让我录音。
And he was evasive about almost every question I asked.
他几乎对我问的每一个问题都避而不谈。
I spoke to the head of Public Safety in Vermont, the major from the state police who was their point person for Daniel, and someone from the Vermont Intelligence Center, an agency that coordinates between local and federal law enforcement.
我采访了佛蒙特州公共安全部门的负责人、州警察局的少校（丹尼尔的负责人），以及佛蒙特州情报中心（负责协调地方和联邦执法部门的机构）的人员。
I even sent his YouTube video with Adam, the Boogaloo guy, to a recently retired agent from the FBI.
我什至将他与布加卢人 Adam 的 YouTube 视频发送给了一位最近退休的联邦调查局特工。
But in the end, the person who knew the most about Daniel was his ex-wife, Gina Mahar-Daniels.
但最终，最了解丹尼尔的人还是他的前妻吉娜·马哈-丹尼尔斯。
They met in 1992, when she was 16 and he was 19.
他们于 1992 年相识，当时她 16 岁，他 19 岁。
At our local mall, there's a pizzeria called Roman Delight.
在我们当地的购物中心，有一家名为 Roman Delight 的披萨店。
And Dan was the pizza man there.
丹是那里的披萨师傅。
You said pizza man.
你说的是披萨佬。
You mean-- what was his job?
你的意思是——他的工作是什么？
Literally the pizza man.
字面意思是披萨师。
He was the guy that was making the pies.
他就是那个做馅饼的人。
Gina told me she and Daniel both grew up in upstate New York.
吉娜告诉我，她和丹尼尔都在纽约州北部长大。
He had half siblings he didn't really talk about.
他有同父异母的兄弟姐妹，但他并没有真正谈论过。
He was close with his dad, who died before they met.
他和他的父亲关系密切，但他的父亲在他们见面之前就去世了。
Daniel eventually quit his job at the pizza shop and enrolled at the Culinary Institute of America.
丹尼尔最终辞去了披萨店的工作，并就读于美国烹饪学院。
But he dropped out right before he finished.
但他还没完成就退学了。
He had a job running restaurants for a bit.
他有一份经营餐馆的工作。
Gina got pregnant, and soon after, Daniel decided to join the Army.
吉娜怀孕了，不久之后，丹尼尔决定参军。
And so I thought that was a great idea.
所以我认为这是一个好主意。
Good.
好的。
That's good.
那挺好的。
We're kind of setting ourselves up.
我们正在为自己做好准备。
We're a young family.
我们是一个年轻的家庭。
Good idea.
好主意。
So he gets sworn in.
于是他宣誓就职。
He leaves for basic training and calls me a few days in to let me know that they found cysts on his neck and that he was going to be coming home with a medical discharge.
他去参加基础训练，几天后给我打电话，告诉我他们在他的脖子上发现了囊肿，并且他将因病出院回家。
So pretty much two weeks to the day that I dropped him off at the airport, I was picking him up again because he had been discharged from the Army for supposedly these cysts that he never did anything about.
距离我送他去机场的那天差不多两周了，我又去接他了，因为他已经因为这些囊肿而被军队开除，而他从未对这些囊肿采取过任何行动。
Supposedly, a medical discharge.
据说是因病出院。
I honestly don't know if that was the truth or if that was not the truth.
老实说，我不知道这是事实还是不是事实。
But he was not in the Army.
但他并不在军队。
The National Personnel Records Center confirmed that Daniel's time in the army lasted all of two weeks.
国家人事记录中心证实丹尼尔在军队的时间持续了整整两周。
What was it that made him want to join the military?
是什么让他想要参军？
Honestly it was security, just strictly financial security.
老实说，这是安全，只是严格的财务安全。
Not because he had any sort of calling to do so or sense of duty or-- nothing like that.
并不是因为他有任何这样做的使命或责任感，或者——没有类似的事情。
Literally just like, oh, they'll provide us with a house to live in, money, security, health insurance, that sort of thing.
从字面上看，就像，哦，他们会给我们提供房子住，金钱，安全，健康保险，诸如此类的东西。
Was he patriotic at all?
他到底爱国吗？
Do you remember?
你是否记得？
Not particularly, no. Mike Giglio In talking with people close to Daniel, I got the sense that he didn't believe in anything very strongly.
不是特别，不是。迈克·吉利奥（Mike Giglio） 在与丹尼尔关系密切的人交谈时，我感觉到他对任何事情都没有非常坚定的信念。
He's not an ideologue.
他不是一个空想家。
He's not really a militia type.
他并不是真正的民兵类型。
Those guys will go on for hours about the Constitution.
这些人会花几个小时谈论宪法。
But he does like to present himself as someone with a mysterious past, maybe even a dangerous one.
但他确实喜欢把自己描绘成一个有着神秘过去、甚至可能是危险过去的人。
From the time he met Gina at the pizza shop, she told me, he would suggest that he was connected with the mafia, like when John Gotti died in 2002.
吉娜告诉我，从他在披萨店遇见吉娜的那一刻起，他就暗示自己与黑手党有联系，就像 2002 年约翰·戈蒂去世时那样。
Daniel said he was distraught, that he had to go to the funeral.
丹尼尔说他心烦意乱，他必须去参加葬礼。
She says he didn't go.
她说他没去。
And then there's their son.
然后是他们的儿子。
I'm Gumbrotti Luciano Banyai.
我是甘布罗蒂·卢西亚诺·班亚伊。
I know you can't see me, but I'm doing the Italian hand.
我知道你看不到我，但我正在做意大利手。
You put all your fingers together, pointing at the sky.
你将所有手指并拢，指向天空。
I find that that helps people with my name, but Gumbrotti Luciano Banyai.
我发现这对人们了解我的名字有帮助，但 Gumbrotti Luciano Banyai。
If you're trying to remember what movie the name Gumbrotti's from, where you've heard it before, you haven't.
如果您想记住 Gumbrotti 这个名字来自哪部电影，或者您之前在哪部电影中听过，那么您却记不住。
There's only one Gumbrotti.
只有一个甘布罗蒂。
Has it always been a point of discussion with people?
它一直是人们讨论的焦点吗？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Well, I just tell them my dad made it up.
好吧，我只是告诉他们这是我爸爸编造的。
Actually, I tell them-- I say, "Hi, my name is Gumbrotti Banyai." And they go, "Oh, Gumbrotti?" I said, "Yeah, it's my real name.
事实上，我告诉他们——我说，“嗨，我的名字是 Gumbrotti Banyai。”他们说：“哦，甘布罗蒂？”我说：“是的，这是我的真名。
It's a fake name, but it's my name." Like, it's not a real name.
这是假名，但这是我的名字。”比如说，这不是真名。
I'm the only one, but it's my name, you know?
我是唯一的一个，但这是我的名字，你知道吗？
When I was pregnant, we were talking about names.
当我怀孕的时候，我们正在谈论名字。
And he was like, "Ah, I want to name him something strong.
他说：“啊，我想给他起一个强有力的名字。
And I want to name him Gumbrotti." And I'm like, "Oh, God, no, absolutely not.
我想给他起名叫甘布罗蒂。”我想，“哦，上帝，不，绝对不是。
Seriously, that's horrendous.
说真的，这太可怕了。
We're not going to name him that." He's like, "No, no, no, listen, listen.
我们不会这么称呼他。”他就像是，“不，不，不，听着，听着。
That was somebody from my past.
那是我过去的某个人。
And it was somebody I can't really talk about it, but somebody who was really important to me.
这是一个我无法真正谈论的人，但他对我来说非常重要。
He was kind of like a father figure."
他有点像父亲的形象。”
And so I acquiesced at that point.
所以我当时就默许了。
I'm like, "All right, fine.
我想，“好吧，好吧。
This is a namesake.
这是同名的。
This is something that's really important to you.
这对你来说非常重要。
Fine." And later on, in years, it came up in conversation.
好吧。”后来，过了很多年，它才出现在谈话中。
I think someone was asking us together.
我想有人一起问我们。
And then he was like, "Oh, no, no, I made that up." I was like, "Are you serious?
然后他说：“哦，不，不，这是我编的。”我当时想，“你是认真的吗？
You made that up?
你编的吗？
You told me that was--" "Oh, no, no, no, no." No, and yeah.
你告诉我那是——”“哦，不，不，不，不。”不，是的。
He's like, "It's a cool name.
他说：“这是一个很酷的名字。
I just needed you to be on board." You mother [BLEEP].
我只是需要你在船上。”你妈[哔]。
Yeah, I was not happy.
是的，我不高兴。
Was the mafia thing kind of-- was it important to his presentation?
黑手党的事情对他的演讲来说重要吗？
It was, honestly.
老实说，确实如此。
I mean-- he needs to be the toughest guy in the room.
我的意思是——他需要成为房间里最坚强的人。
After he was discharged from the Army, Daniel eventually started a landscaping business.
从军队退伍后，丹尼尔最终开始了园林绿化生意。
He called it Tutiano Burgante Excavation-- also fake words.
他称之为“图蒂亚诺布尔甘特挖掘”——也是假词。
He had a knack for landscaping.
他有园林绿化的诀窍。
I actually found an old article about him winning an award for stonewall preservation.
我实际上发现了一篇关于他赢得石墙保护奖的旧文章。
But his record includes at least a dozen court cases-- people he owed money to who he never paid, a car repossession, a mortgage default.
但他的记录包括至少十几起法庭案件——他欠债但从未付清的人、汽车被收回、抵押贷款违约。
In 2006, he pled guilty to making a fake workman's comp claim.
2006年，他承认伪造工人赔偿索赔罪。
The landscaping business filed for bankruptcy in 2011.
该园林绿化业务于2011年申请破产。
Gina said Daniel was abusive.
吉娜说丹尼尔有辱骂行为。
She said he hit her multiple times.
她说他多次打她。
She said she didn't file police reports about it, but told her therapist and her best friend, who both confirmed this.
她说她没有向警方报告此事，但告诉了她的治疗师和她最好的朋友，他们都证实了这一点。
Once they were arguing in the car, and Daniel reached over and bashed her head against the window.
有一次他们在车里争吵，丹尼尔伸手把她的头撞到车窗上。
Gumbrotti was there.
甘布罗蒂也在场。
He says he remembers it.
他说他记得。
And then there were periods when things would be OK.
然后也有一些时期一切都会好起来的。
It could be hard for even his own family to know what to make of him.
甚至连他自己的家人也很难知道他的真实情况。
Daniel and Gumbrotti didn't speak for several years.
丹尼尔和甘布罗蒂已经好几年没有说话了。
They reconnected when Gumbrotti was 18.
甘布罗蒂 18 岁时，他们重新建立了联系。
Daniel had an entirely new persona.
丹尼尔有了一个全新的角色。
He was just different.
他只是与众不同。
He had a different way of carrying himself.
他有一种不同的行事方式。
He seemed more military lifestyle.
他看起来更像军人的生活方式。
Then he was like, "Oh, yeah, I'm executive protection, security." And I asked him to explain it.
然后他说，“哦，是的，我是行政保护、安全人员。”我请他解释一下。
And I was like, "So you're a security guard or a contractor?" And he was like-- the exact words-- because it's such a stupid statement, I remember it.
我当时想，“那么你是保安还是承包商？”他就像——确切地说——因为这是一个非常愚蠢的说法，我记得。
He says, "Oh, I escorted essential and nonessential personnel through the theater of battle." And I was like, "Oh, OK, cool." And then I remember him saying it to other people.
他说：“哦，我护送重要和非重要人员穿过战区。”我当时想，“哦，好吧，酷。”然后我记得他对其他人说过这句话。
As for Daniel's claim that he's a private military contractor, he did start a security company called Garm Dynamics in 2014 with a guy named Ian Spurgeon, a former officer in the Swedish military.
至于 Daniel 声称自己是一名私人军事承包商，他确实在 2014 年与一位名叫 Ian Spurgeon 的人创办了一家名为 Garm Dynamics 的安全公司，Ian Spurgeon 是一名前瑞典军方军官。
The two of them met in an executive protection training course in Denmark.
两人是在丹麦的一个高管保护培训课程中相识的。
Ian said, at the training, Daniel really impressed him.
伊恩说，在训练中，丹尼尔给他留下了深刻的印象。
He said it looked like he had real experience.
他说看起来他有真实的经历。
Did he say he had-- any details of the work?
他有没有说他有——任何工作细节？
Had it been overseas?
是在国外吗？
Had it been in high stress environments?
是在高压环境下吗？
Anything like that?
有这样的事吗？
Yeah, he said he had overseas contracts and with the US government and also with the private sector.
是的，他说他与美国政府以及私营部门都有海外合同。
And again, from my background, I'm prone not to ask questions because, really, if it's not my need to know, then I really don't ask any questions.
再说一遍，从我的背景来看，我倾向于不问问题，因为实际上，如果我不需要知道，那么我真的不会问任何问题。
The idea was that Garm Dynamics would do security contracting and train people in military tactics.
Garm Dynamics 的想法是进行安全承包并培训人员进行军事战术。
The Garm website had seals from the Department of Homeland Security and other government agencies on it.
Garm 网站上有国土安全部和其他政府机构的印章。
But Ian told me that they never actually worked for any of them.
但伊恩告诉我，他们实际上从未为任何人工作过。
He said Daniel had assured him it was OK to use the logos.
他说丹尼尔已经向他保证可以使用这些标志。
The website also said the company was, quote, "established and facilitated by elite military and government personnel."
该网站还称，该公司是“由精英军事和政府人员建立和推动的”。
Was there anyone else that was elite military government personnel besides you?
除了你之外，还有谁是军政府精英人员？
No, it was only the two of us.
不，只有我们两个人。
But I don't know how we add that, but again-- enhancing the marketability of the company.
但我不知道我们如何添加这一点，但还是要增强公司的适销性。
Yeah, right.
是的，对。
But you said you have multifaceted teams of industry experts, forensic analysts, intelligence experts, on-the-ground sources, provide intelligence and risk assessment.
但你说你拥有由行业专家、法证分析师、情报专家、实地消息来源组成的多方面团队，提供情报和风险评估。
Is that also just marketing?
这也只是营销吗？
Uh, yeah.
呃，是的。
Mike Giglio OK.
迈克·吉利奥 好的。
And there's a picture of-- this is one thing-- there's a picture of these dudes in a helicopter.
还有一张照片——这是一件事——这些家伙在直升机上的照片。
And their faces are blurred out.
而且他们的脸都模糊了。
Yeah, that's a stock photo, I think it is.
是的，那是一张库存照片，我想是的。
Ian said Garm never got any contracts, never did any trainings, at least when he was there.
伊恩说加姆从未获得过任何合同，也从未接受过任何培训，至少在他在那里的时候是这样。
Eventually, Daniel seemed to be getting sucked more and more into his problems up in Vermont, and the company died.
最终，丹尼尔似乎越来越陷入佛蒙特州的问题之中，公司也随之倒闭。
Daniel also registered a second company that is still active.
丹尼尔还注册了第二家仍然活跃的公司。
But I could find only one person on LinkedIn who said he'd worked there, and when I messaged him about this, he deleted it from his profile.
但我在 LinkedIn 上只能找到一个人说他曾在那里工作过，当我向他发送有关此事的消息时，他将其从个人资料中删除了。
It's hard to say for sure if Daniel ever did work as a private military contractor, or if he did, whether it really entailed dodging bullets in Iraq, as he once claimed to me.
很难确定丹尼尔是否曾经做过私人军事承包商，或者如果他做过，是否真的需要在伊拉克躲避子弹，正如他曾经向我声称的那样。
You can't check that kind of thing through public records requests.
您无法通过公共记录请求来检查此类事情。
And people who do private contractor work also usually have to sign nondisclosure agreements.
从事私人承包商工作的人通常也必须签署保密协议。
The other work Daniel says he's done is executive protection, which is the business of guarding the rich and famous.
丹尼尔说他所做的另一项工作是行政保护，这是保护富人和名人的工作。
We were able to confirm one aspect of this.
我们能够证实这一点的一方面。
Daniel worked for a time on a detail protecting Ben Shapiro, a conservative commentator, though he was ultimately fired from that job.
丹尼尔曾一度致力于保护保守派评论员本·夏皮罗的细节，但他最终被解雇了。
I spoke with a few people who consider themselves part of the Slate Ridge family.
我采访了一些自认为是 Slate Ridge 家族成员的人。
They see a totally different version of Daniel than the neighbors do.
他们看到的丹尼尔与邻居们看到的完全不同。
Samantha Shumway is one of the co-founders of the Vermont State Militia.
萨曼莎·沙姆威 (Samantha Shumway) 是佛蒙特州民兵组织的联合创始人之一。
She says they're survivalists.
她说他们是生存主义者。
They're a pretty small group, about 10 members.
他们是一个很小的团体，大约有10名成员。
They train once a month.
他们每月训练一次。
She's 32, has four kids, who call Daniel "Uncle Daniel."
她今年 32 岁，有四个孩子，孩子们称丹尼尔为“丹尼尔叔叔”。
She told me he's not dangerous at all.
她告诉我他一点也不危险。
He's just someone who wants to share his knowledge about guns.
他只是想分享他有关枪支的知识。
He taught them all firearm safety.
他教给他们所有人枪支安全。
She and the other militia members drive about two hours to get to Slate Ridge, even though there are much closer ranges, because the facility is so nice and because Daniel is so warm and welcoming.
她和其他民兵成员开车大约两个小时到达石板岭，尽管距离更近，因为那里的设施非常好，而且丹尼尔非常热情好客。
She doesn't believe the neighbors are really as scared as they say.
她不相信邻居们真的像他们说的那么害怕。
She thinks they're exaggerating their fears because they don't want a noisy shooting range in their neighborhood, and they're afraid of change.
她认为他们夸大了自己的恐惧，因为他们不希望附近有吵闹的射击场，而且他们害怕改变。
They haven't even met us, she told me.
他们甚至没有见过我们，她告诉我。
She did think the Facebook threats were over the line.
她确实认为 Facebook 的威胁有些过分。
After the Hulett Trucking video, she and some others in the Slate Ridge family told Daniel he needed to stop.
在 Hulett Trucking 视频发布后，她和 Slate Ridge 家族的其他一些人告诉 Daniel 他需要停下来。
It was all part of what she called a battle between neighbors, which she didn't see how it could end at this point.
这都是她所说的邻居之间的战斗的一部分，她不知道这会如何结束。
But the thing she was more worried about was the government taking Daniel's land.
但她更担心的是政府征用丹尼尔的土地。
It's a piece of him, she told me.
这是他的一部分，她告诉我。
In any community, there are basic rules and laws we agree to live by.
在任何社区，都有我们同意遵守的基本规则和法律。
It's how we're able to coexist.
这就是我们能够共存的方式。
But in Pawlet, Daniel was clearly not participating in all that.
但在《波莱特》中，丹尼尔显然没有参与这一切。
And the state agencies that are meant to enforce those rules don't seem to be able to do anything about it.
而旨在执行这些规则的国家机构似乎对此无能为力。
It's like he's managed to outmaneuver them, simply by creating chaos.
就好像他仅仅通过制造混乱就成功地战胜了他们。
For instance, with the state's Natural Resources Board, Daniel might be in violation of a Vermont land use law, but they need to prove that he's running a business.
例如，对于该州自然资源委员会来说，丹尼尔可能违反了佛蒙特州土地使用法，但他们需要证明他正在经营一家企业。
And he says he's not, that everything at Slate Ridge is free.
他说他不是，Slate Ridge 的一切都是免费的。
And so far, the Natural Resources Board hasn't been able to prove otherwise.
到目前为止，自然资源委员会还无法证明事实并非如此。
And take those cases in New York.
以纽约为例。
One of them is a restraining order against him, which required him to surrender his firearms.
其中之一是针对他的限制令，要求他交出枪支。
I asked law enforcement authorities in Vermont about this.
我向佛蒙特州的执法部门询问了此事。
Could they enforce New York's order?
他们能执行纽约的命令吗？
Go and seize his guns?
去夺取他的枪吗？
They said, yes, they could.
他们说，是的，他们可以。
But here's the irony.
但讽刺的是。
Even though the neighbors have been hearing all that shooting for so long, even though Daniel talks about all the weapons he has, there's no hard proof that he currently has any in his possession.
尽管邻居们长期以来一直听到枪声，尽管丹尼尔谈论他拥有的所有武器，但没有确凿的证据表明他目前拥有任何武器。
If you look at his Facebook posts, photos, videos, he never appears with a gun.
如果你看他的 Facebook 帖子、照片、视频，你会发现他从来没有带着枪出现。
For a while now, some of the neighbors have had this feeling that's new to them, that the system is failing them, that the protection that they thought it provided isn't actually there.
一段时间以来，一些邻居有一种新的感觉，即该系统让他们失望了，他们认为它提供的保护实际上并不存在。
I think this can create a special kind of anxiety.
我认为这会产生一种特殊的焦虑。
And it's led them to take things into their own hands.
这导致他们把事情掌握在自己手中。
This is my Kevlar vest.
这是我的凯夫拉背心。
Mike Giglio So this is underneath your bedroom window.
Mike Giglio 所以这是在你卧室窗户下面。
Beth showed me around her house.
贝丝带我参观了她的房子。
She and Ray have weapons hidden everywhere, just in case.
她和雷到处都藏着武器，以防万一。
This is my favorite weapon.
这是我最喜欢的武器。
Mike Giglio You got a shotgun leaned against the window sill.
迈克·吉利奥 你把一把猎枪靠在窗台上。
And this is my 243.
这是我的 243。
Mike Giglio Can you describe it to me?
Mike Giglio 你能给我描述一下吗？
My beautiful camouflage 243 I bought on a whim because it was pretty.
我的漂亮迷彩243是我一时兴起买的，因为它很漂亮。
It's got a high-powered scope.
它有一个高倍瞄准镜。
It's camouflaged pretty pink, because I'm a girl.
它伪装成漂亮的粉红色，因为我是个女孩。
And I've got 1, 2, 3, 4 5 clips of 243 bullets that are already locked and loaded.
我有 1, 2, 3, 4 5 个弹夹，共 243 颗子弹，已经上锁并上膛。
Two years ago, I would have never-- it only takes one bullet to kill a deer.
两年前，我永远不会——只需要一颗子弹就能杀死一只鹿。
Why do you think I have all these?
你为什么认为我拥有这一切？
To protect my family.
为了保护我的家人。
And these are my family.
这些是我的家人。
My neighbors are my family.
我的邻居是我的家人。
So Banyai has family, we have family, too.
所以班亚伊有家人，我们也有家人。
Are there other ammo and gun spots in the house tactically placed?
房子里还有其他战术性的弹药和枪点吗？
You can see a couple over there.
你可以看到那边有一对。
I spy with my little eye.
我用我的小眼睛窥探。
Oh, wow, it's just behind the bedroom door.
哦，哇，它就在卧室门后面。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Oh, you saw the 30-30 in the bathroom.
哦，你在浴室里看到了30-30。
I did not.
我没有。
I guess I wasn't being observant.
估计是我没仔细观察。
I'm starting to lose count of how many guns she's showed me.
我开始记不清她给我看了多少支枪。
It's great.
这很棒。
So but you have a gun, it seems-- I think you forgot some of them.
所以，但你似乎有一把枪——我想你忘记了其中一些。
But there's one just like-- they're like Easter eggs all over the house.
但有一个就像——它们就像满屋子的复活节彩蛋。
Yes, and that happens to be my favorite holiday, so that's OK.
是的，那恰好是我最喜欢的假期，所以没关系。
Why in the bathroom?
为什么在浴室？
Beth Moser-Duquette Well, what if?
Beth Moser-Duquette 好吧，如果呢？
I wouldn't want to get caught off guard, you know?
我不想措手不及，你知道吗？
I'm just saying.
我只是说说而已。
And it's near the back door.
而且就在后门附近。
So if you had to run in and grab one, you know?
所以如果你必须跑进去拿一个，你知道吗？
Yeah.
是的。
The Tilanders' comfortable country home has a warped Norman Rockwell feel now.
蒂兰德斯舒适的乡村别墅现在有一种扭曲的诺曼·洛克威尔的感觉。
They've stockpiled weapons around their house, too.
他们还在房子周围储存了武器。
There's a loaded handgun in the cookie cabinet.
饼干柜里有一把上了膛的手枪。
The first thing Paul does every morning is search for a new post from Slate Ridge.
保罗每天早上做的第一件事就是从 Slate Ridge 搜索新帖子。
When the Tilanders moved to Pawlet a decade ago, they planned a retirement of gardening and enjoying the views.
十年前，蒂兰德一家搬到波利特时，他们计划退休后从事园艺和欣赏风景。
Instead, Michelle looks out her kitchen window and imagines Daniel or his supporters creeping through the woods, lying down in hedgerow and aiming their guns into the house.
相反，米歇尔看着厨房的窗户，想象丹尼尔或他的支持者爬过树林，躺在树篱里，用枪瞄准房子。
His Facebook has posted pictures of his cronies with their ARs and their camo and all that, walking through the woods.
他的 Facebook 上发布了他的亲信带着 AR 和迷彩服等在树林里散步的照片。
But do you imagine someone coming down the road here, where it's so close?
但你能想象有人沿着这条路来到这里吗？距离如此之近？
Nah.
不。
Paul Tilander No, I think they would come through the field.
保罗·蒂兰德 不，我认为他们会通过现场。
You're pointing out the back window here?
你指的是这里的后窗吗？
The back window.
后窗。
Michelle Tilander Well--
米歇尔·蒂兰德 好吧——
I think they come through the fields to avoid being seen.
我认为他们穿过田野是为了避免被发现。
There's a fair amount of traffic on this road.
这条路上的车流量相当大。
You can come up that back-- by the creek there, where the land drops away.
你可以从那儿回来——沿着那里的小溪，那里的土地逐渐消失。
Walk right up and just lay down in that hedgerow.
径直走上去，躺在树篱里。
And here we are.
我们到了。
This is where we spend most of our time.
这是我们度过大部分时间的地方。
Yeah, that's what we live with now.
是的，这就是我们现在的生活。
I don't know how many times I've come to this sink, looked out this window, pulled the blinds and said, if someone's going to shoot me, they're going to shoot me.
我不知道有多少次我来到这个水槽前，看着窗外，拉上百叶窗说，如果有人要向我开枪，他们就会向我开枪。
We're older now.
我们现在老了。
So we kind of accept that our days are numbered.
所以我们承认我们的日子屈指可数了。
Not afraid of that.
不怕这个。
I've had a great life.
我过着美好的生活。
But I've still got grandkids I want to see grow up married.
但我还有孙子孙女，我希望看到他们长大后结婚。
So we try to protect ourselves as best we can.
因此，我们尽力保护自己。
Paul has an AR-15.
保罗有一台 AR-15。
Most homeowners use bullets with hollow points, which stop when they hit a target so that they won't keep on traveling and hit a bystander or a neighbor.
大多数房主使用带有空心点的子弹，当它们击中目标时就会停止，这样它们就不会继续行驶并击中旁观者或邻居。
But Paul's gun is loaded with solid points.
但保罗的枪上装满了实心子弹。
Why did you go for the solid rather than the hollow?
为什么你选择实心而不是空心？
Well, normally, I would prefer a hollow point if I had to shoot a varmint outside.
好吧，通常情况下，如果我必须在外面射杀一只恶鼠，我会更喜欢一个空心的点。
But these people up the road here, they all wear armor-plated vests with metal plates.
但这条路上的这些人，他们都穿着带有金属板的装甲背心。
And the penetrating power of a hollow point is much less than a solid point.
而且空心点的穿透力比实心点小很多。
So-- I don't like the idea of having to be prepared for this.
所以——我不喜欢必须为此做好准备的想法。
But I think we have to.
但我认为我们必须这样做。
Something did happen for the neighbors recently.
最近，邻居们发生了一些事情。
It actually looks like Slate Ridge might get shut down.
事实上，Slate Ridge 可能会被关闭。
And you know what did it?
你知道它是做什么的吗？
It wasn't the governor or the attorney general or the ATF or the state's Natural Resources Board or the state police.
不是州长、总检察长、烟酒枪械管理局、州自然资源委员会或州警察。
It was the tiny town of Pawlet.
那是波莱特小镇。
Their zoning case finally worked its way through the courts.
他们的分区案最终在法庭上取得了进展。
And after years of delays, in March, a state superior court upheld the town zoning laws and ruled against Daniel.
经过多年的拖延，今年三月，州高等法院维持了城镇分区法，并做出了对丹尼尔不利的裁决。
The neighbors say the shooting has stopped for the most part, but they still hear construction noise from time to time.
邻居们表示，枪击事件已经基本停止，但他们仍然不时听到施工噪音。
They think he's building another two ranges.
他们认为他正在建造另外两个靶场。
The judge ordered Daniel to dismantle the buildings at Slate Ridge and pay $100 for each day he hasn't fixed his zoning violations, which came to $46,600.
法官命令 Daniel 拆除 Slate Ridge 的建筑物，并为他未解决违反分区规定的问题每天支付 100 美元，总计 46,600 美元。
In his ruling, he detailed how Daniel has refused to comply with the town since 2017.
他在裁决中详细说明了丹尼尔自 2017 年以来如何拒绝遵守该镇的规定。
He wrote, quote, "Mr. Banyai's record of compliance has been horrendous."
他写道，“班亚伊先生的合规记录非常糟糕。”
Daniel has appealed the ruling, of course.
当然，丹尼尔已经对裁决提出上诉。
This could still drag on for a bit.
这可能仍会拖延一段时间。
And there's one thing that won't change.
还有一件事不会改变。
Even if the range gets shut down, even if the buildings get knocked down, Daniel will still own that land.
即使靶场被关闭，即使建筑物被推倒，丹尼尔仍然拥有那块土地。
And Paul, Michelle, and everyone else up on the hill?
保罗、米歇尔和山上的其他人呢？
We're not moving, and we're not quitting.
我们不会前进，也不会放弃。
Yeah, I agree with that.
是的，我同意这一点。
Mike Giglio So for now, at least, they're all still going to be neighbors.
Mike Giglio 所以，至少现在，他们仍然是邻居。
Mike Giglio.
迈克·吉利奥.
We'd also like to give a shout out to the local press in Vermont, which has done a great job covering all this-- VTDigger, Vermont Public Radio, and the Manchester Journal.
我们还要向佛蒙特州当地媒体表示赞扬，他们在报道这一切方面做得非常出色——VTDigger、佛蒙特州公共广播电台和曼彻斯特日报。
[CREDITS] And our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 700 episodes for absolutely free.
[制作人员] 还有我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地播放我们的 700 多集档案。
Also, there are videos.
另外，还有视频。
There are lists of favorite shows for your summer road trip listening.
这里有您夏季公路旅行时最喜爱的节目列表。
Tons of other stuff there, too.
那里还有很多其他东西。
Again, thisamericanlife.org.
再说一次，thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's confounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的混杂者 Torey Malatia 先生。
He told me he could sum up any movie in nine words or fewer.
他告诉我他可以用九个或更少的词来概括任何电影。
I was like, OK, Big Lebowski, go.
我当时想，好吧，大勒博斯基，走吧。
A rich guy, a mansion, a car being towed.
一个有钱人，一栋豪宅，一辆被拖走的汽车。
All right, stolen and crashed, then towed, but yeah, pretty good.
好吧，被盗、坠毁，然后被拖走，但是，是的，相当不错。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。