74: Conventions - This American Life
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Convention worker Ira Glass Back before the pandemic, Andrea worked at a bakery under the convention hotel.
会议工作人员艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 早在疫情爆发之前，安德里亚 (Andrea) 在会议酒店下的一家面包店工作。
At first, it was fine, waiting on the conventioneers.
起初，一切都很好，等待与会者。
But then you start to dread them.
但后来你开始害怕他们。
I mean, absolutely.
我的意思是，绝对。
You're like, no, not another convention.
你就像，不，不是另一个会议。
They just flipped me out.
他们只是让我失望了。
I was just listening and watching them.
我只是在听和看着他们。
I'm getting them their croissants and their coffee.
我给他们准备了羊角面包和咖啡。
Fact is, when people are together with others of their own kind, they act differently.
事实上，当人们与同类在一起时，他们的行为是不同的。
This thing happens.
这件事发生了。
I mean, you're so focused into this one aspect of your life that you just sort of become-- that you just absorb into that whole facet of your life.
我的意思是，你如此专注于生活的这一方面，以至于你几乎融入了生活的整个方面。
You become that facet of your life, yeah.
你成为你生活的那个方面，是的。
If one Mary Kay saleswoman walks up to your bakery counter, you don't think twice about it.
如果一位玫琳凯女售货员走到您的面包店柜台前，您会不会三思而后行。
But 90 of them?
但其中90个？
That's something completely different.
那是完全不同的事情。
And so there's this excitement.
所以就有了这种兴奋。
They're really bubbly.
它们真的很泡泡。
And they've got all this bright colored makeup on-- pinks, blues.
他们化着鲜艳的妆容——粉红色、蓝色。
Just--
只是——
Oh, of course.
哦，当然。
Because they're in the convention with their peers.
因为他们和同龄人一起参加大会。
So they have to impress each other.
所以他们必须给对方留下深刻的印象。
It's not even like they're--
甚至不像他们——
It's not like they're undercover, like, oh, we can go to a convention and not wear makeup.
这不像他们是卧底，就像，哦，我们可以去参加一个会议而不化妆。
I mean, they were just made up to the nines.
我的意思是，他们只是弥补了不足。
I mean, it was crazy.
我的意思是，这太疯狂了。
So I'm just looking at them in line.
所以我只是看着他们排队。
I have never seen more makeup in my entire life.
我一生中从未见过更多的化妆品。
But they were just covered.
但他们只是被覆盖了。
And just the most awkward-- I mean, everything looked like it was a mistake.
最尴尬的是——我的意思是，一切看起来都是个错误。
Just the most awkward, strange colors.
只是最尴尬、奇怪的颜色。
And just things I would--
只是我愿意的事情——
Oh, Andrea, that just goes to show how far from the light you are, just how far you are from the Mary Kay way.
哦，安德里亚，这只是表明你离光明有多远，你离玫琳凯之路有多远。
I know.
我知道。
Math teachers make me particularly nervous because math is my nemesis.
数学老师让我特别紧张，因为数学是我的克星。
I'm awful at math.
我数学很糟糕。
And I thought, OK, you're working at the bakery counter.
我想，好吧，你在面包店柜台工作。
They can't hurt you.
他们不能伤害你。
They're not going to quiz you.
他们不会考问你。
You're not going to have algebra.
你不会有代数。
No, I tell them their amount.
不，我告诉他们他们的金额。
And then they give me their money.
然后他们就把钱给我。
And I'm sitting there, trying to figure it out.
我坐在那里，试图找出答案。
And then all of a sudden, they're like, well wait, let me give you $0.05, and then you can give me this back.
然后突然间，他们说，好吧，让我给你 0.05 美元，然后你可以把这个还给我。
And totally, by the end of the day, my drawer was totally off because they'd just blow my mind at the last minute.
到了一天结束的时候，我的抽屉完全被关掉了，因为它们在最后一刻让我大吃一惊。
Plus I hate math, so then I'm getting really nervous.
再加上我讨厌数学，所以我变得非常紧张。
I'm like, I can't do this.
我想，我不能这样做。
I can't do this.
我不能这样做。
I'm having flashbacks from seventh grade.
我的脑海里浮现出七年级的情景。
failing math.
数学不及格。
And I'm like, I can't do it.
我想，我做不到。
I just can't do it.
我就是做不到。
Was that the worst they did?
这是他们做过的最糟糕的事吗？
Did they do little math tricks with the change, like, oh, that's a prime?
他们是否对这个变化做了一些数学小技巧，比如，哦，这是素数？
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这是《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, invite a variety of writers and reporters and performers to take a whack at that game.
当然，在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，邀请各种作家、记者和表演者来参与这场游戏。
Today's program, Conventions, and who we become when we attend them.
今天的节目，大会，以及参加大会时我们会成为什么样的人。
Today's program was first broadcast in the early days of our show, back in the 1990s.
今天的节目首次播出是在我们节目的早期，即 20 世纪 90 年代。
Act One, Dark Shadows.
第一幕，黑暗阴影。
So back in the '90s, when TV fans wanted to geek out with other TV fans, most were not online.
因此，早在 90 年代，当电视迷想要与其他电视迷一起玩时，大多数人都不在线。
And so it was a big deal to leave their homes and meet in person to do that.
因此，离开家亲自见面是一件大事。
We go with one.
我们和一个一起去。
Act Two, A Professional Dishwasher.
第二幕，专业洗碗机。
Dishwasher Pete decides to attend the national convention held by the restaurant owners and managers and bigwigs who employ workers like him.
洗碗机工人皮特决定参加由雇用像他这样的工人的餐馆老板、经理和大佬举办的全国大会。
Act Three, When Worlds Collide, a story that starts in a convention center where two different conventions happen to be taking place, where two different people from two different worlds happen to meet, and big things happen as a result.
第三幕，当世界碰撞时，故事开始于一个会议中心，两个不同的会议碰巧正在举行，来自两个不同世界的两个不同的人碰巧相遇，结果发生了大事。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Dark Shadows.
第一幕，黑暗阴影。
Well, it was Katherine who really wanted to go to the Dark Shadows convention.
嗯，是凯瑟琳真正想去参加黑暗阴影大会。
Katherine was the one who was the fanatic.
凯瑟琳是一位狂热分子。
At least, that's what John says.
至少，约翰是这么说的。
It filled something in her.
这让她内心充满了某种东西。
It was almost like she was an empty glass, and Dark Shadows filled her glass.
她几乎就像是一个空杯子，而黑暗阴影充满了她的杯子。
Whatever was missing in her life at that moment, filled her glass.
在那一刻，她生命中缺失的一切，都填满了她的杯子。
And she could watch it continually and would laugh and roar and got so involved with the characters and--
她可以不断地观看它，会大笑、咆哮，并融入到角色中，而且——
How many would she watch?
她会看多少部？
Let's just get that fact out there.
让我们把这个事实说出来吧。
Eight hours a day.
每天八小时。
Approximately eight hours a day.
每天大约八个小时。
Damn.
该死。
Eight hours a day, every day, of the slowest, creakiest TV show ever.
每天八小时，每天都是有史以来最慢、最嘎吱嘎吱的电视节目。
Dark Shadows, you might recall, is the Gothic soap opera that ran from 1966 to 1971.
您可能还记得，《黑暗阴影》是一部 1966 年至 1971 年播出的哥特式肥皂剧。
The main character is an avuncular vampire named Barnabas Collins.
主角是一位慈祥的吸血鬼，名叫巴纳巴斯·柯林斯。
The storyline shifts from the 19th century to groovy '60s America at its most mod.
故事情节从 19 世纪转移到最时尚的 60 年代美国。
Its kind of Wuthering Heights meets Austin Powers.
这是《呼啸山庄》与《王牌大贱谍》的结合。
Much later, years after we first broadcast this story, in fact, Tim Burton did a film version.
很久以后，也就是我们第一次播出这个故事的几年后，蒂姆·伯顿事实上制作了电影版本。
It starred Johnny Depp.
该剧由约翰尼·德普主演。
Anyway, eight hours a day of it, 1,275 episodes in all, beginning on a train.
无论如何，每天八个小时，总共 1,275 集，从火车上开始。
My name is Victoria Winters.
我叫维多利亚·温特斯。
My journey is beginning, a journey that will bring me to a strange and dark place, to the edge of the sea, high atop Widow's Hill, a house called Collinwood, a world I've never known with people I've never met.
我的旅程即将开始，这趟旅程将把我带到一个陌生而黑暗的地方，到大海的边缘，在寡妇山顶上，一座叫做科林伍德的房子，一个我从未见过的世界，还有我从未见过的人。
John Connors Dear Katherine, it's now 3 o'clock in the morning.
约翰·康纳斯 亲爱的凯瑟琳，现在是凌晨 3 点。
And I'm on an Amtrak train heading towards New York.
我正乘坐美国铁路公司 (Amtrak) 开往纽约的火车。
I think right about now, I'm in Syracuse, Ohio.
我现在想，我在俄亥俄州的锡拉丘兹。
I'm thinking about you.
我在想你。
I'm thinking about how this was all your idea to go to the Dark Shadows convention.
我在想参加黑暗阴影大会怎么都是你的主意。
True, I introduced you to the show.
确实，我向您介绍了这个节目。
But you're the one who really took it to heart.
但你才是真正把这件事放在心上的人。
I feel like I'm going on a journey somehow, the journey to meet people that-- I don't know-- maybe they'll have something in common with me.
我觉得我正在踏上一段旅程，一段结识人们的旅程——我不知道——也许他们会与我有一些共同点。
When she said she wasn't going to go, I had to think, do I really want to go to this convention?
当她说她不去的时候，我不得不想，我真的想去参加这个大会吗？
Is this something I still really need to do?
这是我真的需要做的事情吗？
And I thought about it.
我想了想。
And I thought, I have been thinking about going to this convention since December.
我想，自 12 月以来我一直在考虑参加这次大会。
It's August now.
现在已经八月了。
I have been talking about going to this convention.
我一直在谈论参加这个大会。
It's been on my calendar.
它已经在我的日历上了。
I've been preparing.
我一直在准备。
I've been buying clothes for the convention.
我一直在为大会买衣服。
I've been saving money that-- like, I've been eating ramen noodles for lunch.
我一直在省钱——比如，我午餐吃拉面。
And I'm going, of course I'm going to go to this convention.
我要去，我当然要去参加这个大会。
Even though this show is just a show to me, I really want to go.
虽然这个演出对我来说只是一场演出，但我真的很想去。
I want to talk about Dark Shadows with other people that like Dark Shadows.
我想和其他喜欢《黑暗阴影》的人谈论《黑暗阴影》。
Regular listeners to This American Life may remember one Halloween, producer Nancy Updike and I visited John and his friends, Thax and Erica, during their weekly ritual of watching Dark Shadows.
《美国生活》的常客可能还记得一个万圣节，制作人南希·厄普代克和我拜访了约翰和他的朋友萨克斯和艾丽卡，当时他们每周都会观看《黑暗阴影》。
And I'm here to tell you, when you watch several hours of this, it's boring, it's slow.
我在这里告诉你，当你看几个小时的时候，它很无聊，很慢。
The acting is terrible.
表演很糟糕。
The plot lines are preposterous.
情节很荒谬。
And apparently, they take months, sometimes years, to resolve.
显然，这些问题需要数月甚至数年的时间才能解决。
But it's live TV.
但这是电视直播。
And it feels like live TV, which means that if you watch long enough, you see people forget lines.
这感觉就像电视直播，这意味着如果你看的时间足够长，你会看到人们忘记台词。
Scripts are left on beds during scenes.
场景拍摄时，剧本会留在床上。
Prop guys get caught on screen.
道具人员被屏幕捕捉到。
You can see them through doorways.
你可以通过门口看到他们。
Flies settle on the actors' faces during close ups.
在特写镜头中，苍蝇落在演员的脸上。
And this is part of what John and his friends love when they watch.
这也是约翰和他的朋友们观看时喜爱的部分。
At the time when we did that story, John was watching six hours a week.
当我们做那个故事时，约翰每周观看六个小时。
You notice the littlest things you wouldn't notice in a regular show.
您会注意到在常规节目中不会注意到的最微小的事情。
We noticed tonight that people have stopped knocking on the door three times.
我们注意到今晚人们已经不再敲门三次了。
They're now knocking on the door four times.
他们现在已经敲门四次了。
I'll go out the back way.
我会从后门出去。
Bethel No, no, you won't.
伯特利 不，不，你不会的。
You'll stay right here.
你会留在这里。
But Bethel, they'll make me go back if they find--
但是伯特利，如果他们发现——
So John thinks they had a lengthy meeting deciding that you have to have four knocks instead of three to spice up the plot a little bit.
所以约翰认为他们开了一个很长时间的会议，决定必须敲四下而不是敲三下才能让情节变得更有趣。
It's more exciting.
更令人兴奋了。
The new director said we've got to get rid of the old ways.
新导演说我们必须摆脱旧的方式。
Things are going to change around here.
这里的情况将会发生变化。
No more of this three knocks stuff.
不再有这样的三敲门的事情了。
So John goes to New York on the train, alone, to a convention hotel on Times Square.
于是约翰独自乘火车前往纽约，来到时代广场的一家会议酒店。
Katherine doesn't go because she got a job, which tends to cut into people's Dark Shadows habit in a rather major way.
凯瑟琳没有去，因为她找到了一份工作，这往往会在很大程度上削弱人们的黑暗阴影习惯。
I'll be honest, I was really petrified because I was alone in New York.
老实说，我真的被吓呆了，因为我独自一人在纽约。
I don't know anybody.
我谁也不认识。
And there are probably about 400 people all waiting in line to go into this banquet hall to start the ceremonies, the opening Dark Shadow convention ceremonies.
而大概有四百人左右，都在排队等待进入这个宴会厅，开始仪式，暗影大会的开幕仪式。
And I'm walking around, and I know that everybody here, I can walk up to them and start talking about Dark Shadows.
我四处走动，我知道这里的每个人，我可以走到他们身边，开始谈论黑暗阴影。
But I don't know if I want to at this point.
但我不知道此时我是否愿意。
And the last time I'd actually remembered that feeling was when I had first gone into a gay bar by myself and felt like this was something I had to do by myself.
上一次我真正记得这种感觉是当我第一次独自走进一家同性恋酒吧时，感觉这是我必须自己做的事情。
I was all alone.
我独自一人。
And there I was, in this room of people that we all had something in common.
我就在那里，在这个房间里，我们都有一些共同点。
You had just come out.
你刚刚出来。
John Connors I had just come out.
约翰·康纳斯 我刚刚出来。
We all had something in common.
我们都有一些共同点。
I knew that all these people, we had a similar life experience.
我知道所有这些人，我们都有相似的生活经历。
We have one thing in common.
我们有一个共同点。
Ira Glass For example, with the gay bar, you can't just walk up to somebody and say, so you're a homosexual too.
Ira Glass 例如，在同性恋酒吧，你不能直接走到某人面前说，所以你也是同性恋。
Me too.
我也是。
Testing.
测试。
I'm now at the convention.
我现在正在参加大会。
And-- hold on.
还有——等等。
You use that word.
你用这个词。
Not yet.
还没有。
John Connors Right now, I'm in the grand ballroom at the Marriott.
约翰·康纳斯：现在，我在万豪酒店的大宴会厅。
It's opulent beyond belief.
它的丰富程度令人难以置信。
I mean, there are four large chandeliers.
我的意思是，有四个大枝形吊灯。
And there are probably about, I would say, a little bit over 500 people here right now.
我想说，现在这里可能有 500 多人。
And they're doing a retrospective on some of the Dark Shadows actors who had passed on.
他们正在对一些已去世的《黑暗阴影》演员进行回顾。
It's just funny.
这很有趣。
There are 500 people sitting in this grand ballroom watching TV.
有500人坐在这个大宴会厅里看电视。
Not yet.
还没有。
That's how Humbert makes his vocabulary.
亨伯特就是这样创造他的词汇的。
We all go into the ballroom to watch TV.
我们都去舞厅看电视。
What?
什么？
John Connors That's the opening ceremony.
约翰·康纳斯：这就是开幕式。
So it's 500, and there's a little tiny TV on the stage?
那么是 500 台，舞台上有一个小电视吗？
No, no, no. This is huge.
不，不，不。这是巨大的。
The TV is huge.
电视很大。
I mean--
我的意思是——
Oh, it would be like a-- John Connors There's a little black and white 12 inch at the front that we all gather around.
哦，就像约翰·康纳斯（John Connors）在前面有一个小的黑白 12 英寸，我们都聚集在周围。
Because when you think about it, it is a convention about watching TV.
因为当你仔细想想，这是看电视的惯例。
Yeah, and I hadn't thought about that until that exact moment.
是的，直到那一刻我才想到这一点。
I was going, it's just sort of something to talk to people.
我本来打算去，只是想和人聊聊。
Then it occurred to you, I'm here to watch TV.
然后你突然想到，我是来看电视的。
I'm here to watch TV, and I'm here to talk to people about watching TV.
我来这里是为了看电视，我来这里是为了和人们谈论看电视的事情。
Even terrifying perhaps.
甚至可能令人恐惧。
John Connors The other thing I was there for was to watch-- this was so amazing.
约翰·康纳斯 我去那里的另一件事是观看——这太神奇了。
People make Dark Shadows videos.
人们制作《黑暗阴影》视频。
They make their own Dark Shadows videos.
他们制作自己的《黑暗阴影》视频。
You mean like using footage from the original--
你的意思是使用原作中的镜头——
No, no, no, they create new Dark Shadows videos.
不，不，不，他们制作了新的《黑暗阴影》视频。
New Dark Shadows episodes-- they make new episodes themselves?
新的《黑暗阴影》剧集——他们自己制作新剧集？
Right, they make new episodes themselves.
是的，他们自己制作新剧集。
Oh my god, there was this one thing.
天哪，还有这样一件事。
It was amazing.
太棒了。
It was a parody of the show, but a parody like if you watched it right now, you would go-- it could be funny.
这是对这部剧的模仿，但模仿就像如果你现在看它，你就会走——这可能很有趣。
But it's all inside jokes if you watch Dark Shadows.
但如果你看《黑暗阴影》，这都是内部笑话。
It's the only way you would think this is funny.
这是你认为这很有趣的唯一方式。
But it was so elaborate.
但它是如此复杂。
They had completely rebuilt the set of Barnabas's drawing room-- completely.
他们完全重建了巴拿巴的客厅——完全地。
And then another set was in a graveyard.
然后另一组在墓地里。
And they had completely done the graveyard.
他们已经彻底完成了墓地。
This one man played three different characters.
这个人扮演了三个不同的角色。
And it was edited like it was completely professional.
它的编辑就像是完全专业的一样。
I mean, they must have spent a ton of money.
我的意思是，他们一定花了很多钱。
They had gotten one of the original cast members to come and be in the video.
他们邀请了一位最初的演员来参加视频。
It was so incredibly elaborate.
它是如此复杂得令人难以置信。
And it was like 45 minutes long, and it was good.
大概有 45 分钟长，很好。
And then it was like, to think I'm sitting there, going, this is really good.
然后我就想，我坐在那里，走着，这真的很好。
Your outfit at this point?
此时你的着装是？
John Connors Well, I had put on my red burgundy, crushed velvet Pierre Cardin jacket that I'd gotten at the Salvation Army for 5 bucks.
约翰·康纳斯：好吧，我穿上了我在救世军花 5 美元买的红色勃艮第压皱天鹅绒皮尔·卡丹夹克。
It had a little water spot on the back of it.
背面有一个小水渍。
I had put on my rhinestone brooch that looks sort of like a flaring sun with this big, huge rhinestone which I--
我戴上了我的莱茵石胸针，它看起来有点像耀眼的太阳，上面有一块巨大的莱茵石，我——
Right in the middle, which I had pinned to my silk shirt and black pants and my shoes, which were Quentin Collins shoes from the 1960s show.
就在中间，我把它别在我的丝绸衬衫、黑色裤子和鞋子上，那是 1960 年代秀场上的 Quentin Collins 鞋子。
I mean, I found these--
我是说，我发现了这些——
John was the only one there dressed up, at least the first day.
约翰是那里唯一盛装打扮的人，至少第一天是这样。
Everyone else was in shorts, summer clothes, casual clothes, which makes the person wonder, am I the weirdo?
其他人都穿着短裤、夏装、休闲装，这让人怀疑，我是那个怪人吗？
John would get on the elevator wearing his convention name with non-convention hotel guests.
约翰会带着他的会议名字与非会议酒店的客人一起登上电梯。
And they would look at me.
他们会看着我。
Then they would look at my badge.
然后他们会看我的徽章。
And then they would look at me again.
然后他们会再次看着我。
I felt at that moment, I'm like, I'm the weirdo.
那一刻我觉得，我就是个怪人。
I'm the weirdo in the elevator.
我是电梯里的怪人。
I'm at a Dark Shadows convention.
我正在参加黑暗阴影大会。
This feeling may be more extreme at a Dark Shadows convention, but frankly, it is common to any convention, standing on the elevator, with your badge, separated from the rest of your tribe, surrounded by civilians.
这种感觉在黑暗阴影大会上可能更为极端，但坦率地说，这种感觉在任何大会上都很常见，带着徽章站在电梯上，与部落的其他成员分开，周围都是平民。
It's easy to feel like a freak, even if you're just a math teacher.
即使您只是一名数学老师，也很容易感觉自己像个怪胎。
But there are freaks, and there are freaks.
但也有怪人，也有怪人。
John, for example, would not get in the 800-person five-hour line to get autographs from the stars.
例如，约翰不会排队 800 人、长达 5 小时的队伍去获取明星的签名。
On the other hand, in three days, in the world's most exciting, vibrant city, he never left the hotel.
另一方面，三天的时间里，在世界上最激动人心、最有活力的城市里，他从未离开过酒店。
And then he went to this panel where all of these issues were resolved.
然后他参加了这个小组，所有这些问题都得到了解决。
Stars from Dark Shadows were there, answering detailed questions from the audience.
《暗影》的明星们也在场，详细解答了观众的问题。
But this woman gets up at this panel discussion.
但这位女士在小组讨论中站了起来。
And she has a pre-prepared statement.
她有一份预先准备好的声明。
And the statement is-- it was like, I want to thank all of you for all the joy you've given me through my years.
声明是——就像是，我要感谢你们所有人在我这些年里给我带来的所有快乐。
And she said, "When I watch Dark Shadows, I want to take the high road.
她说：“当我看《黑暗阴影》时，我想走正路。
I want to think of the things Dark Shadows has given me, how it's taught me to forgive, how it's taught me the joy of friendship, how it's taught me that you need to go on from bad situations."
我想思考《黑暗阴影》给了我的东西，它如何教会我宽恕，它如何教会我友谊的快乐，它如何教会我你需要从糟糕的情况中继续前进。”
And then she said, "And most people will listen to this, and they will think that I'm a crackpot.
然后她说：“大多数人听了这个，他们会认为我是个疯子。
And if I'm a crackpot, so be it." And then she screams into the mic, "Dark Shadows lives!" And you see this look on all the actors' faces, like, fear, like a little bit of fear.
如果我是个疯子，那就这样吧。”然后她对着麦克风尖叫：“黑暗阴影还活着！”你会看到所有演员脸上的表情，就像，恐惧，就像一点点恐惧。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
But it dawned on me, this was the statement that I had felt, that I had been feeling a little bit.
但我突然意识到，这就是我的感受，我一直有一点感受。
And she is standing up in this room full of people and proclaiming, "I am a crackpot." And I was thinking, well, I'm sort of a crackpot, too.
她站在这个挤满人的房间里宣称：“我是个疯子。”我当时想，好吧，我也是个疯子。
And here she was.
她就在这里。
It was sort of like the alcoholic getting up at the alcohol convention, saying, "I am an alcoholic." [LAUGHS]
这有点像酒鬼在酒精大会上站起来说：“我是一个酒鬼。” [笑]
And I thought.
我想。
I love that.
我喜欢那个。
And I was just like, God, this is what this whole convention is about.
我当时想，天哪，这就是整个大会的目的。
We're like all these misfits.
我们就像所有这些格格不入的人一样。
And at this point, I was feeling the sense of community.
此时，我感受到了社区的感觉。
And I was feeling, in the sea of crackpots, I'm a crackpot with them.
我感觉，在疯子的海洋里，我和他们一样都是疯子。
I am brother.
我是兄弟。
I am with you.
我和你在一起。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
But John, I mean, but you sort of saw her as being nuts.
但约翰，我是说，但你认为她有点疯了。
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass But you felt she was speaking for you when she said that?
Ira Glass 但当她这么说时，你觉得她是在为你说话吗？
I felt an empathy with her.
我对她产生了同情心。
And just not that I'm going to be the one going up there screaming, "I am a crackpot.
只是我不会成为那个在那里尖叫的人，“我是个疯子。
Dark Shadows rules."
黑暗阴影统治。”
No, you've chosen to say it to 400,000 people over the radio.
不，您选择通过广播向 400,000 人说出这句话。
Oh god, I'm going to pass out.
天哪，我要昏过去了。
Dark Shadows rules.
黑暗阴影规则。
I've said it.
我已经说过了。
I've said it, Ira.
我已经说过了，艾拉。
Oh, come on.
哦，来吧。
John Connors I don't want to say it any louder.
约翰·康纳斯 我不想说得更大声。
No, I don't want to say it.
不，我不想说。
It's OK.
没关系。
I've said it.
我已经说过了。
That's all I want to say.
这就是我想说的。
I spoke with Chris Crowley, who worked as a facilities manager at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, one of the biggest convention centers in the world.
我采访了克里斯·克劳利（Chris Crowley），他在旧金山莫斯康会议中心（世界上最大的会议中心之一）担任设施经理。
And he told me that there's a kind of life cycle to conventions that happen in predictable phases.
他告诉我，约定有一种生命周期，发生在可预测的阶段。
The first day, everybody's disoriented.
第一天，大家都神智不清。
People get lost.
人们迷路了。
People are still individuals at that point.
那时人仍然是个人。
They're not a group just yet.
他们还不是一个团体。
The second day, people start to group and begin to bond, form those little packs of people.
第二天，人们开始聚集并开始建立联系，形成一小群人。
And by the third day of the convention, there's definite friendships that are made and groups of people that are following each other.
到大会的第三天，人们已经建立了明确的友谊，并且有一群人互相关注。
And you start to recognize who your peers are.
你开始认识到你的同龄人是谁。
And you kind of-- you create or they create their own little herd mentality, if you will.
如果你愿意的话，你可以创造或者他们创造自己的小从众心态。
And all this happened to John.
而这一切都发生在约翰身上。
On the first day, he didn't want to talk to anybody.
第一天，他不想和任何人说话。
He felt like a loner.
他感觉自己像个孤独者。
By the second, he found some friends at the volunteer desk and the costume ball.
到了第二个小时，他在志愿者服务台和化装舞会上找到了一些朋友。
And these people seemed like they were pretty fun.
而且这些人看上去还蛮有趣的。
So some of the people I had talked to during the day, I said, let's all go back to my room.
因此，我对白天与我交谈过的一些人说，让我们都回到我的房间吧。
I've got two bottles of Merlot, and let's all get drunk and talk about Dark Shadows.
我有两瓶梅洛，让我们都喝醉了，谈论黑暗阴影。
But then, sadly, John discovered the inevitable third phase of any convention.
但随后，可悲的是，约翰发现任何大会都不可避免地存在第三阶段。
He got sick of it.
他对此感到厌烦。
In this case, too much TV, too much merchandise, too many pictures and videos of Dark Shadows going everywhere all the time, too much sharing.
在这种情况下，太多的电视，太多的商品，太多的黑暗阴影的图片和视频无处不在，太多的分享。
He woke up the morning of the third day with a cheap wine hangover, never wanting to talk about Barnabas Collins again, or at least, for the foreseeable future.
第三天早上，他因廉价葡萄酒宿醉而醒来，再也不想谈论巴纳巴斯·柯林斯，或者至少在可预见的未来。
He had to force himself to go downstairs to the final banquet, which he had already paid $45 to attend.
他不得不强迫自己下楼参加最后的宴会，他已经支付了 45 美元参加宴会。
And this other guy was sitting next to me.
另一个人坐在我旁边。
And we talked a little bit about the show.
我们谈论了一些关于这个节目的事情。
And it was like he started talking to me.
就像他开始和我说话一样。
And he was from Long Island.
他来自长岛。
And he asked me where I was from.
他问我从哪里来。
I said Chicago.
我说芝加哥。
And he said he had gone through Chicago.
他说他已经穿过芝加哥了。
And he changed the subject to sports and about the Bulls.
他把话题转向了体育和公牛队。
And I don't talk about sports ever.
我从来不谈论体育。
I don't know anything about sports.
我对体育一无所知。
I don't even follow the Bulls when the championships are going on.
当锦标赛进行时我什至不关注公牛队。
Which actually is very, very hard.
这实际上非常非常困难。
It's like trying to ignore Christmas if you live in Chicago.
这就像如果你住在芝加哥就试图忽略圣诞节一样。
It's everywhere.
它无处不在。
And I found myself sitting with this person at this convention, talking about the Bulls, talking about the Bulls in Chicago.
我发现自己在这次大会上和这个人坐在一起，谈论公牛队，谈论芝加哥的公牛队。
And-- [LAUGHS]
还有——[笑]
In your normal life, if somebody were trying to talk to you about sports, you'd be thinking to yourself, I wish I could be talking about something like Dark Shadows.
在你的正常生活中，如果有人试图和你谈论体育，你会想，我希望我能谈论像《黑暗阴影》这样的东西。
Right, and there I was, I was engaging him in talking about the Bulls.
是的，我正在和他谈论公牛队。
And I was saying, when you were in London, did the Bulls championship go on?
我说，当你在伦敦的时候，公牛队的冠军赛还在继续吗？
Where were you?
当时你在哪里？
Are you a Bulls fan?
您是公牛队球迷吗？
Are people talking-- and I was changing the subject.
人们在说话吗——我正在改变话题。
Then we talked about the Cubs.
然后我们谈论了小熊队。
I don't talk about the Cubs.
我不谈论小熊队。
When John Connors got home after a 24-hour train ride, he opened the door and heard the click of his video machine.
当约翰·康纳斯 (John Connors) 乘坐 24 小时的火车回到家时，他打开门，听到了录像机的咔哒声。
He had recorded six hours of Dark Shadows.
他已经录制了六个小时的《黑暗阴影》。
The day he returned, he said he wasn't sure he'd be able to watch them.
他回来的那天，他说他不确定自己是否能够看到他们。
Three days later, he watched five.
三天后，他看了五部。
Act Two.
第二幕。
Dishwasher Pete I'm a dishwasher.
洗碗机皮特 我是一名洗碗机。
And having worked in restaurants for over a decade, it would only make sense that I attend the National Restaurant Association's annual gathering.
我在餐馆工作了十多年，参加全国餐馆协会的年度聚会才有意义。
But it's not an organization that welcomes restaurant employees-- quite the contrary.
但它并不是一个欢迎餐厅员工的组织——恰恰相反。
That's Dishwasher Pete, writer and publisher of the zine Dishwasher, which is this original and very funny account of his life as a dishwasher traveling from place to place on a small mission to wash dishes in all 50 states, plus whatever dishwashing topics and stories he feels like writing about.
这就是《Dishwasher Pete》，他是《Dishwasher》杂志的作家和出版商，这本书以原创且非常有趣的方式讲述了他作为一名洗碗机的生活，执行一项小任务，在全美 50 个州执行洗碗任务，此外还有他想写的任何洗碗主题和故事。
He's visiting the National Restaurant Association, which is made up of restaurant owners, managers, and suppliers, and a force to be reckoned with in Washington, DC.
他正在访问全国餐馆协会，该协会由餐馆老板、经理和供应商组成，是华盛顿特区不可忽视的力量。
When we first aired this story, when he actually made this visit, it was actually 1997, a long time ago.
当我们第一次播出这个故事的时候，当他真正来访的时候，实际上是1997年，很久以前了。
Bill Clinton was president.
比尔·克林顿担任总统。
And at the time, the National Restaurant Association had fought hard against Bill Clinton's national healthcare proposal.
当时，全国餐馆协会强烈反对比尔·克林顿的国家医疗保健提案。
Newt Gingrich, who was Speaker of the House back then-- you may remember-- stated that their lobbying-- the National Restaurant Association's lobbying was key to defeating the Clinton health plan.
当时的众议院议长纽特·金里奇（你可能还记得）表示，他们的游说——全国餐馆协会的游说是挫败克林顿医疗计划的关键。
The National Restaurant Association was also an important opponent of the minimum wage, which it still is today.
全国餐馆协会也是最低工资的重要反对者，至今仍采用最低工资。
So if this group that works so hard against the interests of me and my restaurant colleagues were going to hold a powwow, I felt it my responsibility to be there.
因此，如果这个如此努力地违背我和我的餐厅同事利益的团体要举行仪式，我觉得我有责任去那里。
Riding up the escalator into the middle of Chicago's McCormick Place Convention Center, I was immediately overwhelmed.
乘坐自动扶梯进入芝加哥麦考密克会展中心的中心，我立即被震撼了。
On display was everything imaginable concerning the food service industry, every sort of cooking and serving appliance utensil, food products, menu designs, everything.
展出的内容涉及食品服务行业，包括各种烹饪和服务用具、食品、菜单设计等一切。
Each booth was highly specialized.
每个展位都高度专业化。
If they didn't have an impressive array of napkin rings, then they were peddling theme outfits so that restaurant staff could dress up like pirates or clowns.
如果他们没有一系列令人印象深刻的餐巾环，那么他们就会兜售主题服装，以便餐厅工作人员可以打扮得像海盗或小丑。
I had come expecting to find groupings of restaurant owners smoking their cigars, rubbing their bellies, and exchanging tales of how they'd stuck it to their employees.
我本来以为会看到成群结队的餐馆老板抽着雪茄，揉着肚子，交流着他们如何把雪茄粘在员工身上的故事。
So where were they?
那么他们在哪里呢？
In the meantime, there was something on my agenda, something that's always on my agenda-- free food.
与此同时，我的议程上还有一件事，一直在我的议程上——免费食物。
Plenty of food products were available for sampling.
现场有大量食品可供品尝。
I nibbled my way along-- a hunk of chocolate here, a veggie burger there, waffles, chicken tenders, stir fry, jelly beans.
我一路啃着——这里一块巧克力，那里一个素汉堡，华夫饼，鸡柳，炒菜，软心豆粒糖。
This part didn't seem so bad.
这部分看起来并没有那么糟糕。
That was, until I arrived at one of the booths giving away free beer.
直到我到达一个免费提供啤酒的摊位。
There was fierce competition to reach the bar.
进入酒吧的竞争非常激烈。
Being jostled from both sides by guys in suits was a bit unsettling.
被穿着西装的男人从两边推挤，有点令人不安。
I hadn't planned to be so informal with these people.
我并没有打算与这些人如此不拘礼节。
I came to the show to be inconspicuous and to inspect, not to socialize and rub shoulders with folks who might otherwise be my boss.
我来演出是为了不引人注意，是为了视察，而不是为了与那些本来可能是我老板的人交往和交往。
After I was finally served, I stood back and watched the boss types push and shove their way to the free beer.
当我终于得到服务后，我退后一步，看着老板们推推搡搡地去拿免费啤酒。
I turned and watched another crowd of boss types clamoring to receive free plastic key chains at another booth.
我转过身，看到另一群老板型的人在另一个摊位上吵着要领取免费的塑料钥匙链。
This, to me, was weird.
这对我来说很奇怪。
I had expected that with this many boss types in one hall, the air would be thick with authority.
我原本以为，一个大厅里这么多boss，空气中一定会弥漫着一股威严。
Instead, these authority figures were giddy over receiving plastic trinkets.
相反，这些权威人士对收到塑料饰品感到头晕目眩。
It was disturbing to see all these boss types away from their restaurants, like being in the sixth grade and seeing your teacher walking down the street, holding her boyfriend's hand.
看到所有这些老板类型远离他们的餐馆是令人不安的，就像在六年级时看到你的老师牵着男朋友的手走在街上一样。
It's just something I don't care to see.
这只是我不想看到的事情。
But while the gathering of the boss type seemed rather innocuous, I assumed the capitalist parade would be in full swing, as I headed to the convention's keynote address, given by Republican Senator Bob Dole.
不过，虽然老板类型的聚会看起来相当无害，但当我前往共和党参议员鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）发表大会主题演讲时，我认为资本主义游行将会如火如荼地进行。
So we shouldn't forget for a moment that we live in the greatest country on the face of the Earth.
因此，我们不应该忘记我们生活在地球上最伟大的国家。
By the time I took my seat at the back of the room, Dole was well underway.
当我坐在房间后面的座位上时，多尔已经开始工作了。
I listened.
我听了。
I became confused.
我变得很困惑。
I think Dole was confused, too.
我想多尔也很困惑。
He was supposed to be giving the keynote address to a group of restaurant tourists.
他本来应该向一群餐馆游客发表主题演讲。
Instead, he gave what amounted to be a campaign speech.
相反，他发表了相当于竞选演讲的内容。
And we shouldn't forget for a moment, the people who came ahead of us made sacrifices for us.
我们不应该忘记，那些走在我们前面的人为我们做出了牺牲。
I was desperate for any morsel related to restaurants to come from Dole's mouth.
我非常希望多尔能说出任何与餐馆有关的信息。
It never came.
它从未到来。
I began to sense that Dole wasn't quite sure where he was.
我开始感觉到多尔不太确定他在哪里。
I had assumed he was yet another political lackey of the National Restaurant Association.
我原以为他是全国餐馆协会的另一个政治走狗。
But now, he seemed more like the grandfather at a family dinner who babbles incomprehensibly, while the rest of the family is too polite to draw attention to it.
但现在，他更像是家庭聚餐上的爷爷，胡言乱语，而家里的其他人却彬彬有礼，不引人注意。
As Dole droned on, streams of people, apparently having heard enough, headed for the exits.
随着多尔的喋喋不休，人们显然已经听够了，纷纷向出口走去。
Then Dole took questions from those remaining.
然后多尔回答了剩下的人的问题。
I had hoped to ask him something like, hey, man, why are you and the National Restaurant Association always trying to keep the dishwashers down?
我本来希望问他这样的问题，嘿，伙计，为什么你和国家餐馆协会总是试图让洗碗机停下来？
But in each of his responses, as he drifted away from the question, I realized, I couldn't ask a snot-nosed question of this absentminded old man, thinking instead, maybe he could provide some grandfatherly advice.
但在他的每一次回答中，当他偏离了这个问题时，我意识到，我不能向这个心不在焉的老人提出一个鼻涕一把泪的问题，而是想，也许他可以提供一些祖父般的建议。
Mine was the last question.
我的问题是最后一个问题。
Hello, Mr. Dole.
你好，多尔先生。
Here at the National Restaurant Association show, I was wondering if you had any words of advice for the dishwashers of the nation.
在全国餐馆协会展会上，我想知道您是否对全国的洗碗机有什么建议。
Just keep washing them, would be my advice.
我的建议是继续清洗它们。
Thank you.
谢谢。
I was excited because mine was the only question he actually answered.
我很兴奋，因为我的问题是他真正回答的唯一问题。
Just keep washing.
继续洗吧。
At first, it seemed like a good-natured slap on the back, thumbs up piece of advice.
起初，这似乎是善意的一记拍打，竖起大拇指的建议。
But as the band played on, Dole's words kept echoing through my head.
但随着乐队演奏，多尔的话不断在我脑海中回响。
Just keep washing.
继续洗吧。
Yep, just keep washing.
是的，继续洗。
Day after day, just keep washing.
日复一日，坚持洗。
Week after week, month after month, just keep washing, year after year after year.
一周又一周，一月又一月，继续洗，年复一年。
What the hell kind of advice is that?
这是什么鬼建议？
While Dishwasher Pete searches the National Restaurant Association for traces of the American dream, one that Bob Dole would actually approve of.
当洗碗机皮特在全国餐馆协会寻找美国梦的踪迹时，鲍勃·多尔实际上会赞同这一梦想。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme and bring you a wide variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Conventions.
今天的节目，大会。
We are in the middle of Act Two, Dishwasher Pete, a real life dishwasher at the convention of the National Restaurant Association.
我们正处于第二幕中，洗碗机皮特，现实生活中的全国餐馆协会大会上的洗碗机。
Working as a dishwasher, I'm often told, start here and someday you may own your own restaurant.
我经常被告知，作为一名洗碗工，从这里开始，有一天你可能会拥有自己的餐厅。
Bosses tell this to dishwashers all the time.
老板们总是把这一点告诉洗碗机。
And if that's true, that'd mean I was surrounded by tens of thousands of former dishwashers at the restaurant convention.
如果这是真的，那就意味着我在餐厅大会上被数以万计的前洗碗工包围。
Do you have much experience washing dishes yourself?
您自己洗碗的经验丰富吗？
I can't say that I have.
我不能说我有。
Woman Only at home.
女人只在家。
Dishwashers are invisible to most restaurant customers.
对于大多数餐厅顾客来说，洗碗机是看不见的。
But why was such an important part of the industry being ignored at this gathering that celebrated every aspect of the restaurant world?
但为什么在这场庆祝餐饮界各个方面的聚会上，行业如此重要的一部分却被忽视了呢？
I set out to find some of my fellow dishwashers.
我开始寻找一些我的洗碗机同事。
I stopped passersby, asking them if they've seen any dishwashers walking around.
我拦住路人，询问他们是否见过洗碗机在附近走动。
I received one negative response after another.
我收到了一个又一个负面的回应。
One restaurant owner snidely told me she wouldn't think of bringing her dishwashers to the show.
一位餐馆老板冷嘲热讽地告诉我，她不会考虑把洗碗机带到展会上。
But then I realized there was one place I was sure to find some of my dish brethren.
但后来我意识到，在一个地方我一定能找到我的一些菜兄弟。
Like a moth to the flame, I headed straight for the Hobart display.
我就像飞蛾扑火一样，直奔霍巴特展览。
As the largest manufacturers of commercial dishwashing equipment, Hobart is legendary amongst those of us who wash dishes for a living.
作为最大的商用洗碗机设备制造商，霍巴特对于我们这些以洗碗为生的人来说是一个传奇。
Their model dish machines would surely be staffed by real-life dishwashers.
他们的模型洗碗机肯定配备了现实生活中的洗碗机。
Hobart's display was quite a spectacle, buzzing with activity, with free beer and dozens of trippy sales reps wearing matching bright blue shirts.
霍巴特的展示相当壮观，热闹非凡，有免费啤酒和数十名穿着相配的亮蓝色衬衫的迷幻销售代表。
I half expected there to be bikini clad women, lounging atop their display dish machines.
我一半预计会有穿着比基尼的女性，懒洋洋地躺在展示洗碗机上。
But my hopes for finding dishwashing camaraderie didn't pan out.
但我希望找到洗碗友情的希望并没有实现。
First of all, there were no dishwashers operating the machines.
首先，没有洗碗机操作机器。
In fact, the machines sat idle.
事实上，机器闲置着。
And I didn't find much kinship with the Hobart Salesforce.
而且我并没有发现与霍巴特 Salesforce 有太多相似之处。
Hobart's Barry Baylock showed off their new sink, the turbo wash, that circulated water to enhance the soaking of pots and pans.
霍巴特的巴里·贝洛克（Barry Baylock）展示了他们的新水槽——涡轮清洗器，它可以循环水以增强锅碗瓢盆的浸泡效果。
With a dish machine, you've got to have somebody to man it.
有了洗碗机，就必须有人来操作。
With this, you don't.
有了这个，你就不需要了。
So you're able to destaff your kitchen, so to speak.
可以这么说，你可以减少厨房的工作人员。
So it's a big labor saver.
所以它可以大大节省劳动力。
Yes, it's more expensive than a three-compartment sink.
是的，它比三格水槽贵。
But it's less expensive than having a full-time employee.
但这比雇用一名全职员工要便宜。
This shows up every day.
这每天都会出现。
A full-time employee doesn't.
全职员工则不然。
What do you think about the dishwashers who may be facing layoffs because of a labor saving device such as this?
对于因为这样的省力设备而可能面临裁员的洗碗机，您有何看法？
This does not take a very qualified person.
这不需要非常有资格的人。
It allows one person to do several jobs within a dish room activity, instead of having two people to do two separate jobs.
它允许一个人在洗碗室活动中完成多项工作，而不是让两个人完成两项单独的工作。
So it actually is going to help out, giving more job security to the person that is working in that dish room area.
因此，它实际上会有所帮助，为在该餐具室区域工作的人员提供更多的工作保障。
Now why would that be?
为什么会这样呢？
Barry Baylock Well, because they can do more within the dish room.
巴里·贝洛克（Barry Baylock）：嗯，因为他们可以在洗碗间做更多的事情。
They can operate the dish machine.
他们可以操作洗碗机。
Both Hobart sales reps that I talked to told me that not only have they never held dishwashing jobs, but they hated doing the chore at home.
我采访过的两位霍巴特销售代表都告诉我，他们不仅从未从事过洗碗工作，而且讨厌在家做家务。
What sort of machine representatives were these?
这些是什么样的机器代表？
To me, they were like surgeons who hated the sight of blood.
对我来说，他们就像讨厌看到血的外科医生。
I let the Hobart display a bit dejected and checked out some of their competitors.
我让霍巴特表现得有点沮丧，并检查了他们的一些竞争对手。
The Champion machine companies couldn't have been more different than the Hobart display.
冠军机器公司与霍巴特的展示截然不同。
They were, unlike the massive bright and chirpy Hobart crew, just a couple of middle-aged guys wearing drab brown suits.
与霍巴特大批明亮、活泼的工作人员不同，他们只是几个穿着土褐色西装的中年男子。
I spoke to a guy named Peter for a while, asking if any dishwashers had visited the booth.
我和一个名叫彼得的人聊了一会儿，询问是否有洗碗机来过这个摊位。
None had.
没有人有过。
As I was about to walk away, he asked if I was Dishwasher Pete.
当我正要走开时，他问我是不是洗碗机皮特。
It was kind of spooky.
有点诡异。
My cover was blown.
我的掩护被揭穿了。
Peter introduced me to Hank Holt, the president of Champion.
彼得向我介绍了 Champion 的总裁汉克·霍尔特 (Hank Holt)。
He had written me a year prior, requesting a copy of my publication Dishwasher.
一年前他写信给我，索取我的出版物《洗碗机》的副本。
I kind of can't believe that the company's head honcho would bother to attend such an event.
我有点不敢相信，公司的老总竟然会费心去参加这样的活动。
But I was even more surprised that he remembered who I was.
但更令我惊讶的是他还记得我是谁。
Dishwasher Pete goes all-- he goes all over the country, washing dishes.
洗碗机皮特无所不为——他走遍全国洗碗。
And he writes about them and puts out this little book every week.
他每周都会写下这些内容并出版这本小书。
It's funnier than the devil.
这比魔鬼还有趣。
The problem, we wanted to put some of his articles on the web page and send them out to some of the consultants and all that.
问题是，我们想把他的一些文章放在网页上，然后发送给一些顾问等等。
But we have to edit them.
但我们必须编辑它们。
They're a little bit spicy for some of them.
对其中一些人来说有点辣。
The show's been fine.
节目还不错啊
We're not overwhelmed with--
我们并没有不知所措——
While Hank and I talked dishwashing, I snuck peeks over at the Hobart group.
当汉克和我谈论洗碗的时候，我偷偷地看了一眼霍巴特的小组。
It seemed ridiculous that I had previously scoffed at the Champion guys and thought that I'd find solidarity among the Hobart crew.
我之前嘲笑过冠军队的家伙，并认为我会在霍巴特队中找到团结，这似乎很荒谬。
The Hobart folks now look like the in crowd at high school, the jocks and cheerleaders who were popular, yet shallow.
霍巴特人现在看起来就像高中时的人群，受欢迎但肤浅的运动员和啦啦队员。
Meanwhile, here were the nerdier Champion guys, who could relate more to where I was coming from, though not entirely.
与此同时，这里还有一些更书呆子的冠军家伙，他们可以更多地了解我的出身，尽管不完全如此。
But Hank and I did have a good conversation.
但汉克和我确实聊得很愉快。
We were from opposite ends of the spectrum.
我们来自光谱的两端。
He, the president of a dish machine company.
他，一家洗碗机公司的总裁。
Me, dishwasher.
我，洗碗机。
I still needed to find an actual fellow dish dog.
我仍然需要找到一只真正的菜狗同伴。
As the show was winding down, I left the crowds and commotion, descending three flights of stairs, heading deep down into the bowels of the convention center until I came upon a door.
当演出结束时，我离开人群和喧嚣，走下三层楼梯，深入会议中心的内部，直到我看到一扇门。
I push a button next to the door, and moments later, it buzzed open.
我按下门旁边的按钮，不一会儿，门就开了。
I wandered through the labyrinth of corridors, peeking around corners, and acting as if I belonged there whenever I encountered someone.
我在迷宫般的走廊里徘徊，四处张望，每当遇到某人时，我就表现得好像我属于那里一样。
Then I heard a familiar hum in the distance.
然后我听到远处传来熟悉的嗡嗡声。
How are you doing?
你好吗？
Jesse How are you doing?
杰西 你好吗？
All right.
好的。
So you're the man behind the scenes, huh?
那么你就是幕后黑手，对吧？
You're the man behind the scenes washing the dishes?
你就是那个洗碗的幕后黑手？
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
Dishwasher Pete His name is Jesse, and he was working alone in the cavernous dish room, unloading dishes from a huge 30-foot long conveyor belt style machine, just like the ones on display upstairs.
洗碗机工皮特（Pete）他的名字叫杰西（Jesse），他独自在宽敞的洗碗间里工作，从一台 30 英尺长的传送带式机器上卸下碗碟，就像楼上展示的机器一样。
Well, do you think there's anything our radio audience should know about the man behind the scenes down here in the dish room?
好吧，你认为我们的广播听众应该了解关于洗碗间幕后黑手的任何事情吗？
No, I've really got nothing to say, except that I like the job.
不，我真的没什么可说的，只是我喜欢这份工作。
It's keeping me out of trouble out there on the streets and everything, you know?
它让我在街上和其他事情上远离麻烦，你知道吗？
It's kind of hard work.
这是一项艰苦的工作。
The employers are nice people, you know?
雇主都是好人，你知道吗？
They're easy to get along with.
他们很容易相处。
As Jesse returned to the head of the machine once again to load dishes into it, I felt at ease for the first time all day.
当杰西再次回到机器头部将菜肴装入机器时，我一整天第一次感到轻松。
I watched Jesse loading the machine from afar, feeling like I needed to speak with him more, that our bond needed to be acknowledged.
我远远地看着杰西装载机器，感觉我需要和他多说话，我们的关系需要得到承认。
But then I noticed the clean dishes exiting the machine, and I knew what to do.
但后来我注意到干净的盘子从机器中出来，我知道该怎么做了。
I put down the tape recorder and got to work.
我放下录音机开始工作。
I walked over and unloaded the clean dishes.
我走过去，把干净的盘子卸下来。
Dishwasher Pete a.k.a.
洗碗机皮特又名
Pete Jordan, his original zines about washing dishes in every state were collected into a book called Dishwasher.
皮特·乔丹（Pete Jordan），他原创的关于各个州洗碗的杂志被收集成一本名为《洗碗机》的书。
These days, he lives in Amsterdam and runs Radical Honesty workshops all over Europe.
如今，他住在阿姆斯特丹，并在欧洲各地举办激进诚实研讨会。
His website, www.honestyeurope.com.
他的网站是 www.honestyeurope.com。
[MUSIC - "BORN TO DO DISHES" BY THE QUEERS]
[音乐 - 酷儿们的“天生做菜”]
Act Three: When Worlds Collide Ira Glass Act Three, When Worlds Collide.
第三幕：当世界碰撞时 艾拉·格拉斯 第三幕，当世界碰撞时。
So this next story begins at a convention.
下一个故事是从一次大会开始的。
Well, really, two conventions.
嗯，确实有两个约定。
John Perry Barlow was at a convention in 1993 for the NeXT computer.
1993 年，约翰·佩里·巴洛 (John Perry Barlow) 参加了 NeXT 计算机的一次大会。
That's the machine that Steve Jobs created after he co-founded Apple computers.
这是史蒂夫·乔布斯 (Steve Jobs) 与他人共同创立苹果电脑后创造的机器。
The other convention going on at the same time was the American Psychiatric Association.
同时举行的另一个会议是美国精神病学协会。
And our story starts at the border between those two.
我们的故事从两者之间的边界开始。
John Perry Barlow was a former rancher, song lyricist.
约翰·佩里·巴洛（John Perry Barlow）是一位前牧场主、歌曲作词家。
And when we first heard the story back in the day, he was head of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
当我们第一次听到这个故事时，他是电子前沿基金会的负责人。
He traveled everywhere, talking about computers.
他到处旅行，谈论计算机。
And that is what brought him to the Moscone Center in San Francisco for this convention in 1993.
这就是 1993 年他来到旧金山莫斯康中心参加这次大会的原因。
And I was supposed to be giving a-- I was supposed to be the MC at a Steve Jobs celebrity roast.
我本来应该在史蒂夫·乔布斯名人烤肉会上担任主持人。
And across the way, the psychiatrists were having a seminar or something.
对面，精神科医生正在举办研讨会什么的。
So--
所以——
Before we even go anywhere, I mean, it really does sound like a when worlds collide sort of thing.
我的意思是，在我们去任何地方之前，这听起来确实像是世界碰撞之类的事情。
Because the thing about a convention is that each world is so distinctly its own world with its own concerns and its own priorities and its own paradigm.
因为关于公约的问题是，每个世界都是如此独特的世界，有自己的关注点、自己的优先事项和自己的范式。
Oh, yeah, and both of these groups of people were so distinct from one another.
哦，是的，这两群人彼此截然不同。
I mean, psychiatrists, as a group, have a look.
我的意思是，精神科医生作为一个群体来看看。
And NeXT users-- NeXT was one of the only computers I've ever been around where the whole notion of design was really important to the product-- elegance of design.
NeXT 用户——NeXT 是我所使用过的唯一一款将整个设计理念对产品（设计的优雅）非常重要的计算机之一。
And it attracted the strangest kind of hybrid, which was sort of like UNIX weenies by Armani combination.
它吸引了一种最奇怪的混合体，这有点像 UNIX weenies 与 Armani 的组合。
OK, and describe what the psychiatrists tend to look like.
好的，请描述一下精神科医生的样子。
What was their look?
他们的表情是什么样的？
Well, the psychiatrists were all the sort of Jules Feiffer cartoon psychiatrists, tweed jackets, slightly rumpled, and no distinct difference between the men and the women, really, except for this one person.
好吧，这些精神科医生都是朱尔斯·费弗卡通精神科医生那种，穿着粗花呢夹克，稍微皱巴巴的，男女之间没有明显的区别，真的，除了这个人。
I was standing outside the entrance to the ballroom where I was going to supposedly roast Mr. Jobs.
我站在舞厅入口外，据说我要在那里烤乔布斯先生。
And the psychiatrists were all milling around over there in their corner.
精神科医生们都在他们的角落里转来转去。
And I saw a woman standing with her back to me.
我看到一个女人背对着我站着。
And she actually looked dressed to be more one of us than one of them in the sense that she had this very crisp Armani look from behind-- long blond hair.
事实上，她的打扮看起来更像是我们中的一员，而不是他们中的一员，因为从后面看，她有着非常清爽的阿玛尼造型——金色长发。
And she turned and looked over her left shoulder and looked right at me.
她转过身来，越过左肩，直视着我。
And I've never had an experience like this before or since.
我以前或之后从未有过这样的经历。
I mean, I've always thought that the whole idea of love at first sight was one of those things that was invented by lady novelists with three names from the south, right?
我的意思是，我一直认为一见钟情的整个想法是由来自南方的三个名字的女小说家发明的，对吗？
Right.
正确的。
John Perry Barlow Because how can this work?
约翰·佩里·巴洛 因为这怎么行？
What's the process by which you would recognize something that profound?
您会通过什么过程认识到如此深刻的东西？
She looked, and we started looking at each other.
她看了看，我们开始互相看着对方。
And we didn't avert our gaze, either of us, for probably 45 seconds.
大概有 45 秒的时间里，我们都没有移开目光。
I mean, we just locked on the beam.
我的意思是，我们刚刚锁定了横梁。
And I felt like I was having a hallucination.
而且我感觉自己出现了幻觉。
I mean, I felt like I was hearing voices.
我的意思是，我感觉自己听到了声音。
It was the strangest thing.
这是最奇怪的事情。
And I kind of stepped back and rubbed my eyes and tried to figure out what I was going to do about this.
我向后退了一步，揉了揉眼睛，试图弄清楚我该怎么做。
Literally.
字面上地。
No, it was an odd-- the whole thing just felt really dreamlike.
不，这很奇怪——整件事感觉就像在做梦一样。
I was going to say, it's like in a story.
我想说，这就像故事里的一样。
It went into this surreal state.
它进入了这种超现实的状态。
And so finally, I thought, well, whatever's going on between this person and me, I am definitely not going to let this moment pass without investigation because I haven't experienced this before.
所以最后，我想，好吧，无论这个人和我之间发生了什么，我绝对不会在没有调查的情况下让这一刻过去，因为我以前没有经历过这种情况。
So I circled her a couple of times.
于是我围着她转了几圈。
And then finally, I came over to her, and I said, "You're something." And she said, "So are you."
最后，我走到她身边，对她说：“你很了不起。”她说：“你也是。”
And I said, "Well, where are you from?" And she said-- I mean, I didn't know.
我说：“那么，你来自哪里？”她说——我的意思是，我不知道。
I assumed that she was part of our show.
我以为她是我们节目的一部分。
I thought that, actually, what she was-- it didn't occur to me that she was associated with the psychiatrists because she didn't look anything like them.
我认为，实际上，她是什么——我没有想到她与精神科医生有联系，因为她看起来一点也不像他们。
And I thought that what she probably was what is-- I wish there were better term for this, but the general computer trade show term for this is booth bimbo, which is somebody who stands in the booth selling the incredibly difficult to use software, who's actually a model or an actress or something who doesn't know anything about the software, but the marketers sort of dangle her out as bait.
我想她可能就是——我希望有更好的术语来形容这一点，但一般的计算机贸易展览术语是“展位笨蛋”，指的是站在展位上销售极其难以使用的软件的人，她实际上是一名模特或演员或对软件一无所知的人，但营销人员有点把她当作诱饵。
And then once she's gotten these poor innocent hackers to wander over so they can talk to the beautiful girl, then, wham, they get them.
然后，一旦她让这些可怜的无辜黑客过来，以便他们可以与美丽的女孩交谈，然后，砰的一声，他们就得到了他们。
Right, geeks move in.
好吧，极客们搬进来了。
John Perry Barlow Right, the geeks move in and hustle them off and sell them software.
约翰·佩里·巴洛（John Perry Barlow）：对，极客们进来并赶走他们并向他们出售软件。
And-- but I just assumed--
而且——但我只是假设——
Time honored practice.
历史悠久的做法。
John Perry Barlow Right, exactly.
约翰·佩里·巴洛 没错，没错。
It works.
有用。
And so I just assumed she must be a booth bimbo because she was much too beautiful to be, well, a computer hacker.
所以我就猜想她一定是个展位女郎，因为她太漂亮了，不可能成为一名电脑黑客。
Or a psychiatrist.
或者精神科医生。
John Perry Barlow Oh, and that didn't even dawn on me that she was a psychiatrist, which, in fact, she was.
约翰·佩里·巴洛 哦，我什至没有意识到她是一名精神科医生，事实上，她是。
But I said, well, where are you from?
但我说，好吧，你从哪里来？
And she said, well, I'm from a little town in British Columbia.
她说，嗯，我来自不列颠哥伦比亚省的一个小镇。
And I said, well, that's interesting.
我说，嗯，这很有趣。
I'm from a little town in Wyoming, which is kind of like British Columbia.
我来自怀俄明州的一个小镇，有点像不列颠哥伦比亚省。
Where do you live now?
你现在住在哪里？
And she said New York.
她说纽约。
And I said, well, that's even more interesting because that's where I live.
我说，嗯，这更有趣，因为那是我住的地方。
I said, where do you live in New York?
我说，你住在纽约哪里？
And she said 19th and Third.
她说19号和3号。
And I said, well, that's not too far from where I live.
我说，好吧，那离我住的地方不太远。
I'm down at the lower end of Fifth Avenue.
我在第五大道的尽头。
And she said, where?
她说，哪里？
And I said, well, Fifth and Ninth.
我说，好吧，第五和第九。
And she said, really, which building?
她说，真的，哪栋楼？
And I said it's the old Fifth Avenue Hotel.
我说这是老第五大道酒店。
It's 24 Fifth Avenue.
这是第五大道 24 号。
And she said, really?
她说，真的吗？
Well, it turns out that I just got an apartment in that building.
嗯，原来我刚刚在那栋楼里租了一套公寓。
In fact, she had just gotten an apartment precisely two stories above mine in the same building.
事实上，她刚刚在同一栋楼里买了一套公寓，比我的公寓高两层。
So there I was with this woman that I had an instantaneous and inexplicable attachment to who was about to move into my apartment building.
所以我和这个即将搬进我的公寓楼的女人在一起，我立刻对她产生了一种莫名的依恋。
And we just went off together and, actually, moved in together, really, literally, a week after we met.
我们就一起离开了，实际上，在我们见面一周后，真的搬到了一起。
So when you're at the convention with her, you just spent all your time together basically.
所以当你和她一起参加大会时，基本上所有的时间都是在一起度过的。
Uh, yeah, from that point forward.
呃，是的，从那时起。
And it was a great opportunity for me to introduce her to my world in a lot of its other dimensions, because the Grateful Dead was having a concert in Sacramento one of the nights of these giant conventions.
这对我来说是一个很好的机会，可以向她介绍我的世界的许多其他方面，因为感恩而死乐队正在萨克拉门托举办一场音乐会，其中一个晚上是这些大型大会的夜晚。
And so we went over, and she saw her first Dead concert.
于是我们就过去了，她看了她的第一场《Dead》音乐会。
And this is a person who would never have been caught dead at a Dead concert.
这是一个永远不会在死亡音乐会上被抓死的人。
Explain your connection with the Grateful Dead.
解释一下你与感恩而死乐队的联系。
Oh, I spent many, many years as their sort of junior varsity songwriter.
哦，我花了很多很多年的时间作为他们的初级大学歌曲作者。
There were two songwriters, and I was the lesser of the two.
有两个词曲作者，而我是两个人中地位较低的一个。
And so what did she think of the concert?
那么她对这场演唱会有何看法呢？
What did she make of it?
她对此有何感想？
She liked it a lot.
她非常喜欢。
She thought the Deadheads were fascinating.
她认为“死头”很迷人。
She thought the music was great.
她认为音乐很棒。
I mean, but the other thing was that we were just completely hopelessly besotted with each other.
我的意思是，但另一件事是我们完全无可救药地迷恋彼此。
I mean, I could have taken her to a dogfight, I think, and she would have thought it was OK.
我的意思是，我想，我本可以带她去打一场混战，而她也会认为这没什么问题。
It was just one of those completely unexpected acts of providence, where two worlds collided, and something wonderful came from the point that they touched.
这只是完全出乎意料的天意之举之一，两个世界碰撞在一起，从它们接触的那一刻就产生了一些奇妙的东西。
Do you think that if you would have met this woman in some other setting, just on the street or seeing her in the lobby of the apartment building that you lived in after she had moved in there, do you think that you would have had this moment quite so powerfully?
你是否认为，如果你在其他场合遇见这个女人，只是在街上，或者在她搬进你住的公寓楼的大厅里看到她，你认为你会拥有如此强烈的这一刻吗？
Well-- Ira Glass Or do you think that there was something about being at a convention where one is just open to experience in a way that one wouldn't be elsewhere?
嗯——艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 或者，您是否认为参加一次大会有什么好处，人们可以以一种在其他地方不会有的方式开放地体验？
Actually, I think, at that moment, she was more inclined to judge things more on the basis of their appearance.
其实我觉得，那个时候，她更倾向于以貌取人。
And what she mainly saw was a guy in a real sharp suit.
而她看到的，主要是一个穿着真正的西装革履的男人。
The next day when I returned to my normal style of dress, she said, well, wait a second.
第二天，当我恢复正常的着装风格时，她说，好吧，等一下。
Is this how you usually dress?
你平时是这样穿的吗？
And I said, yeah.
我说，是的。
And she said, oh, well, all right.
她说，哦，好吧，好吧。
But do you think that if you had seen her just walking into your building three weeks after that for the first time--
但你是否认为，如果三周后你第一次看到她走进你的大楼——
I think-- Ira Glass --do you think that this moment would have happened?
我想——艾拉·格拉斯——你认为这一刻会发生吗？
I think that it probably would have happened anyway.
我认为无论如何这可能都会发生。
There was something about this particular connection that would have overridden any of the surrounding noise in the data.
这个特定的连接有一些东西可以覆盖数据中任何周围的噪音。
I mean, I felt like I had finally met another member of my tribe and felt that before I said anything to her or she said anything to me.
我的意思是，我觉得我终于遇到了我部落的另一个成员，并且在我对她说任何话或她对我说任何话之前感觉到这一点。
Well, what happened was we had both had the flu.
好吧，发生的事情是我们都得了流感。
And she was a young woman, I mean, quite a bit younger than me.
我的意思是，她是一位年轻女子，比我年轻很多。
And very healthy-- took extremely good care of herself.
而且非常健康——把自己照顾得非常好。
Athletic and-- but we both had the flu, and it had been a real nasty flu.
运动和——但我们都得了流感，而且是真正严重的流感。
And it had us both kind of hitting on maybe five out of eight for close to a month.
在近一个月的时间里，我们俩都在八分之五的时间里达成了一致。
Yeah.
是的。
John Perry Barlow And I had gone out to Los Angeles to give a speech.
约翰·佩里·巴洛（John Perry Barlow）和我去洛杉矶发表演讲。
And Tim Leary had gotten some tickets to a Pink Floyd concert at the Rose Bowl.
蒂姆·利里 (Tim Leary) 买了一些平克·弗洛伊德玫瑰碗 (Rose Bowl) 音乐会的门票。
And she was going to come out and join me to go to this Pink Floyd concert with Tim.
她要出来和我一起去蒂姆的平克·弗洛伊德音乐会。
That all got bollixed up.
这一切都搞砸了。
We ended up going by ourselves, having a very long, complicated evening with a lot of waiting in traffic and looking for a car and whatnot and--
最后我们自己去了，度过了一个漫长而复杂的夜晚，在交通中等待了很多时间，寻找一辆车等等，然后——
Going off by yourselves, you and Timothy Leary or you and her?
你自己走，你和蒂莫西·利里还是你和她？
And over the course of this evening, we decided that even though we had been sort of the opinion that we didn't want to think about the future that much, she said, well, I know that we're not supposed to think about the future.
整个晚上，我们决定，尽管我们一直认为我们不想太多地考虑未来，但她说，好吧，我知道我们不应该考虑未来。
But I think that you and I should have children.
但我认为你和我应该有孩子。
And if we're going to do that, I would love to start soon.
如果我们要这样做，我很乐意尽快开始。
And if we're going to do that, then we should be married.
如果我们要这么做，那么我们就应该结婚。
How do you feel about those things?
你对这些事情感觉如何？
And I said, fine, sure.
我说，好吧，当然。
No problem.
没问题。
Anyway, the next day, I had a meeting, and the next day was a Sunday.
反正第二天我要开会，而且第二天就是周日。
And I had a red eye back to New York that evening, and Cynthia was going to go on then.
那天晚上我红着眼睛回到了纽约，辛西娅当时打算继续。
And I said, look, you've been sick, and you've got patients tomorrow.
我说，看，你病了，明天还有病人。
Why don't you just take an afternoon flight?
你为什么不坐下午的航班呢？
And I'll be home to see you before you go off to work.
在你上班之前我会回家看你。
And so she took an afternoon flight, and I took her down to the airport and gave each other a great big kiss.
于是她乘坐了下午的航班，我带她去了机场，并给了对方一个大大的吻。
And she said, nothing can keep us apart, baby.
她说，没有什么能让我们分开，宝贝。
We were made for each other.
我们是为彼此而生的。
And she just walked onto the plane and went to sleep, took a nap, and it turned out that the virus that we both had, the flu virus, had attacked her heart and had been chewing away on it for the previous 10 days or so.
她刚走上飞机就睡着了，小睡了一会儿，结果发现我们都感染的病毒，即流感病毒，已经攻击了她的心脏，并且在过去十天左右的时间里一直在吞噬它。
And it pretty well consumed the pericardium.
它很好地消耗了心包。
And so, eventually, it was so compromised that as she was sleeping, she started to fibrillate and just died.
因此，最终，它受到了严重损害，以至于当她睡觉时，她开始颤动，然后就死了。
And she was two days short of her 30th birthday.
距离她 30 岁生日还有两天。
And they went to tell her to put her seat belt on coming into JFK.
他们去告诉她进入肯尼迪机场时系好安全带。
She was dead and had been for a while.
她已经死了，而且已经死了一段时间了。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
John Perry Barlow So I mean, this whole episode from the moment I saw her there in the hallway of the ANA to the moment where I watched her walk onto the aircraft was one of the really central passages of my life.
约翰·佩里·巴洛（John Perry Barlow）所以我的意思是，从我在全日空航空的走廊上看到她的那一刻到我看着她走上飞机的那一刻，整个事件是我生命中真正重要的经历之一。
And after that, everything was different.
在那之后，一切都不同了。
And smaller.
而且更小。
John Perry Barlow Well, no, actually, I wouldn't say that.
约翰·佩里·巴洛（John Perry Barlow）：嗯，不，实际上，我不会这么说。
In many ways, not at all, because one of the things that came out of it was that prior to this, I didn't believe in the soul.
从很多方面来说，完全不是，因为由此产生的一件事是，在此之前，我不相信灵魂。
I mean, I think that within us were two spirits that had all-- I mean, there's really just no way to say this without sounding incredibly sappy.
我的意思是，我认为我们内心有两种拥有一切的精神——我的意思是，真的没有办法这样说而不听起来令人难以置信的傻气。
But we were the same soul.
但我们是同一个灵魂。
And having seen that, that changes everything.
看到这一点后，一切都改变了。
Now that you had this experience with her, do you find that you have this experience all the time in a smaller forum, where you'll meet a group of strangers, and there'll be one whose eyes strikes you, and you think, OK, I could see a part of this thing?
既然你和她有了这样的经历，你是否发现你在一个较小的论坛上一直都有这样的经历，在那里你会遇到一群陌生人，会有一个人的目光吸引你，你想，好吧，我可以看到这件事的一部分？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
I mean, I feel an ability to attach on a moment to moment basis that is completely unlike anything that I felt prior to that.
我的意思是，我感受到了一种时刻依恋的能力，这与我之前感受到的完全不同。
And I think it's sometimes a little disconcerting to other people, because it's genuine on my side.
我认为这有时会让其他人感到有点不安，因为这对我来说是真实的。
And people are not used to having somebody just dock emotionally that instantaneously.
人们不习惯让某人在情感上瞬间对接。
For one thing, I feel like I can see their souls.
一方面，我觉得我能看到他们的灵魂。
Their souls are visible to me.
他们的灵魂对我来说是可见的。
One of the things that happened as a consequence of this is that, for a while there, if I had stopped moving, the pain got so bad that I couldn't stand it.
由此发生的事情之一是，有一段时间，如果我停止移动，疼痛就会变得如此严重，以至于我无法忍受。
So I fell into a lifestyle of continuous motion.
所以我陷入了一种持续运动的生活方式。
And that gradually became an economic adaptation.
这逐渐变成了一种经济适应。
And now I just simply live on the road pretty much.
现在我几乎只是住在路上。
I mean, I flew 270 some odd thousand miles last year just on one airline.
我的意思是，去年我只乘坐一家航空公司的航班就飞行了 270 英里。
God damn.
该死的。
I mean, I'm just hearing you say it.
我的意思是，我只是听你这么说。
It's like you want to die on a plane, too.
就像你也想死在飞机上一样。
Well, it's a funny thing.
嗯，这是一件有趣的事情。
No, I'm not particularly interested in dying on a plane.
不，我对死在飞机上并不是特别感兴趣。
But I mean, that's kind of like, I really feel like the stratosphere is my church.
但我的意思是，这有点像，我真的觉得平流层就是我的教堂。
That's where you feel like you can contact her.
这就是你觉得可以联系到她的地方。
Well, kind of.
嗯，有点。
I mean, I feel there's something about being up there that makes me feel like I'm closer to her, yeah.
我的意思是，我觉得在上面有某种东西让我感觉我离她更近了，是的。
No, I totally understand that, because it's the last place where she was.
不，我完全理解，因为那是她最后呆过的地方。
Yeah, but it's more than that.
是的，但还不止于此。
I mean, last night, I was flying here to Salt Lake from New York.
我的意思是，昨晚，我从纽约飞往盐湖城。
And I looked out, and it was just-- I don't know that I believe in heaven or anything quite like that.
我向外望去，结果是——我不知道我是否相信天堂或类似的东西。
But I mean, it looked exactly like heaven in the paintings of that period of the late Renaissance when they really started to get light and understand how to do light and clouds.
但我的意思是，在文艺复兴后期那个时期的绘画中，它看起来就像天堂一样，当时他们真正开始接触光并了解如何处理光和云。
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
Ira Glass They're like pale, clear blue.
Ira Glass 它们就像苍白、清澈的蓝色。
There were layers and layers and layers of different colors of clouds.
云朵层层叠叠，颜色各异。
And they were all catching the sunlight in golds and blues.
它们都在阳光的照射下呈现出金色和蓝色。
And I thought, well, what a great life it is that puts you in this unbelievably holy environment on such a regular basis.
我想，嗯，让你定期置身于这个令人难以置信的神圣环境中，这是多么美好的生活啊。
For me, that would be the additional thing-- and I wonder if this is for you, too-- that I mean, maybe this is going off now because you fly so much.
对我来说，这将是额外的事情——我想知道这是否也适合你——我的意思是，也许这件事现在正在发生，因为你飞得太多了。
But I mean, every time I would get on a plane, I would just think, OK, this is her setting.
但我的意思是，每次我坐飞机时，我都会想，好吧，这就是她的设定。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
It's like, this is where I left her.
就像，这就是我离开她的地方。
And she could be in any one of these seats.
她可能坐在这些座位中的任何一个。
And it would be very hard for me to not be picturing her in one of those seats and just sleeping.
我很难不想象她坐在其中一个座位上睡觉的样子。
Even now.
即使是现在。
Even just-- John Perry Barlow Oh, sure, yeah.
甚至只是——约翰·佩里·巴洛 哦，当然，是的。
No, I mean, as I say, it's not something that goes away, as far as I can tell.
不，我的意思是，正如我所说，据我所知，这不会消失。
It's a permanent fixture.
这是一个永久固定装置。
And that's OK.
没关系。
I mean, I'm glad to have it.
我的意思是，我很高兴拥有它。
But anyway, it was a hell of a convention, you know?
但无论如何，这是一次糟糕的会议，你知道吗？
I mean, I'm sure glad I went to that Steve Jobs celebrity roast.
我的意思是，我很高兴参加了史蒂夫·乔布斯的名人烤肉会。
John Perry Barlow.
约翰·佩里·巴洛。
I am so sorry to say that he died back in 2018.
我很遗憾地说他于 2018 年去世了。
Well, today's program was produced back in the 1990s by Nancy Updike and myself with Alix Spiegel and Julie Snyder, senior editor for today's show, Paul Tough, contributing editors, Jack Hitt, Margie Rochlin, and consiliere Sarah Vowell.
今天的节目是 20 世纪 90 年代由 Nancy Updike 和我与 Alix Spiegel 和 Julie Snyder、今日节目的高级编辑 Paul Tough、特约编辑 Jack Hitt、Margie Rochlin 和顾问 Sarah Vowell 制作的。
Additional production help on today's rerun from Stowe Nelson, Ari Saperstein, and Matt Tierney.
斯托·尼尔森、阿里·萨珀斯坦和马特·蒂尔尼为今天的重播提供了额外的制作帮助。
John Conners, who you heard in Act One going to the Dark Shadows convention, is in the band Bric Brac.
约翰·康纳斯 (John Conners) 是 Bric Brac 乐队的成员，你在第一幕中就听到他去参加 Dark Shadows 大会。
You can find them on Spotify, Apple Music, or wherever you get your music.
您可以在 Spotify、Apple Music 或任何可以获取音乐的地方找到它们。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to our archive of over 700 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们的 700 多集档案。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
Torey, just, why don't you say it?
托雷，只是，你为什么不说呢？
No, I don't want to say it any louder.
不，我不想说得更大声。
I don't want to say it any louder.
我不想说得更大声。
No, I don't want to say it.
不，我不想说。
It's OK.
没关系。
I've said it.
我已经说过了。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC - "BLACK-THROATED WIND" BY GRATEFUL DEAD]
[音乐 - Grateful Dead 的《黑喉风》]
Ira Glass Next week on the podcast of This American Life, for lots of us, when we try to describe our siblings to people, we have a story we tell to illustrate what they're like.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 下周在《美国生活》的播客中，对于我们很多人来说，当我们试图向人们描述我们的兄弟姐妹时，我们会讲一个故事来说明他们的样子。
And Emanuele's sister has a story like that about her.
埃马努埃莱的姐姐也有一个类似的故事。
It's not that flattering.
这可不是那么讨人喜欢。
Emanuele Berry It's not that flattering?
Emanuele Berry 这不是很讨人喜欢吗？
No, I mean, it's just-- it was just the time that you punched me in the eye.
不，我的意思是，只是——只是你打了我眼睛的那次。
You were like--
你当时就像——
Sisters and the very particular things that happen between them.
姐妹们以及她们之间发生的非常特别的事情。
Next week on the podcast or on your local public radio station.
下周在播客或当地公共广播电台上播放。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。