717: Audience of One - This American Life

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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass I know so many people who have films that they have watched over and over, and I have never really gotten that.

序言：序言 艾拉·格拉斯 我认识很多人，他们的电影都看过一遍又一遍，但我却从未真正明白这一点。

I always feel like there are so many films that I haven't seen-- why would I watch one again?

我总觉得有那么多电影没看过，为什么还要看一遍呢？

But we get into these conversations, and there always comes a moment where I'm asked, well, what is the film that you've seen the most?

但当我们进行这些对话时，总会有人问我，你看过最多的电影是什么？

And then I have to admit, it's The Poseidon Adventure.

然后我不得不承认，这是海神历险记。

Which I know is not a good film.

我知道这不是一部好电影。

It's this '70s movie about an ocean liner that gets hit by a tsunami, flips upside down, and the passengers try to make their way to safety.

这是一部 70 年代的电影，讲述了一艘远洋客轮遭遇海啸，船体翻转，乘客们试图逃生的故事。

It's part of an entire genre of films, disaster films, that have never gotten any respect.

它是整个类型的电影、灾难片的一部分，但从未得到任何尊重。

Nobody thinks of these films as art, but I loved it at the time when I saw it.

没有人认为这些电影是艺术，但当我看到它的时候我很喜欢它。

It felt big, and it felt important, and serious.

它感觉很大，感觉很重要，而且很严肃。

And I remember it was very emotional.

我记得那是非常激动人心的。

And the reason that I saw it so many times, that this is the film that I saw more than any other, was not because I loved the film.

我之所以看了很多次，这是我比其他任何电影都看得多的电影，并不是因为我喜欢这部电影。

It was because of where I saw it.

这是因为我在哪里看到的。

I was on vacation.

我当时正在度假。

We didn't take many vacations when I was a kid, but on one of them, we stayed at this hotel in Florida where the rooms had this thing where they offered a couple movies all day long.

当我还是个孩子的时候，我们没有去过很多假期，但其中一次，我们住在佛罗里达州的一家酒店，房间里有这样的东西，他们全天提供几部电影。

And this was so long ago, in the 1970s.

那是很久以前的事了，在 20 世纪 70 年代。

My sisters and I, we had never seen anything like that.

我和我的姐妹们，我们从未见过这样的事情。

Even cable TV was rare back then.

那时连有线电视都很少见。

The Poseidon Adventure was the film that they offered, and my sister Karen and I, we ate it up.

《波塞冬历险记》是他们提供的电影，我和妹妹凯伦把它看完了。

That was the movie we watched over and over again, yeah.

那是我们看了一遍又一遍的电影，是的。

Oh, so this was like a very important movie.

哦，所以这就像一部非常重要的电影。

That's Karen and her son Zach, my nephew, who we tried to explain this to recently.

那是凯伦和她的儿子扎克，我的侄子，我们最近试图向他们解释这一点。

So we ended up watching it on TV, like at night, if our parents went out to dinner, or if it was a rainy day.

所以我们最终会在电视上观看，比如在晚上，如果我们的父母出去吃饭，或者如果是下雨天。

Yeah, we loved it.

是的，我们喜欢它。

The way that I remember it is that the hotel just had this movie on a loop.

我记得酒店刚刚循环播放这部电影。

And just as soon as it would finish, it would start again.

一旦结束，它就会重新开始。

And the way I remember it is, that every time we would come into the hotel room you could turn on the TV, and you'd be somewhere in The Poseidon Adventure.

我记得，每次我们进入酒店房间，你都可以打开电视，然后你就会身处《波塞冬历险记》中的某个地方。

That sounds vaguely familiar to me.

这对我来说听起来有点熟悉。

I don't totally remember that, but that might be right.

我不太记得了，但这可能是对的。

Yeah.

是的。

And I remember it having a lot of feeling.

我记得它有很多感觉。

Do remember it having a lot of feeling?

还记得有很多感触吗？

What does that mean, having a lot of feeling?

有很多感觉是什么意思？

Yeah, well, it's scary, and you're really invested in their journey to escape alive.

是的，嗯，这很可怕，而且你真的很投入他们的逃亡之旅。

I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that.

我不认为我这样说会泄露任何东西。

Sort of are.

有点是。

Ira Glass Here at the radio show these last few weeks, we've been talking about the random films that people have strong attachments to, thinking that might be a good episode of the show.

Ira Glass 在过去几周的广播节目中，我们一直在谈论人们有强烈依恋的随机电影，认为这可能是节目中的一个好片段。

And I started to think about The Poseidon Adventure, and I wondered what it would be like to see it again.

我开始思考《波塞冬历险记》，我想知道再次看到它会是什么样子。

Like, would it have any feeling?

比如说，会有什么感觉吗？

Would any of it feel the way it did to me as a kid?

这些感觉是否会像我小时候一样？

Would it feel that way to Karen?

凯伦也会有这样的感觉吗？

So my sister and I, we watched it.

所以我和我姐姐一起观看了它。

And I invited Zach, too, since he's the age that we were when we watched it back in the '70s.

我也邀请了扎克，因为他的年龄和我们 70 年代看这部电影时的年纪一样。

He's 13.

他13岁了。

I was 14 at the time.

当时我14岁。

Karen was 11.

凯伦 11 岁。

And I want to say, I did not expect Zach to like it.

我想说，我没想到扎克会喜欢它。

He does not like a lot of films.

他不喜欢很多电影。

And right away, the very first scene let us know the kind of film we were in for.

很快，第一个场景就让我们知道了我们要观看的电影类型。

A little boy visits the bridge of the SS Poseidon, this ocean liner in the middle of a big storm.

一个小男孩参观了SS波塞冬号的舰桥，这艘远洋客轮正处于一场大风暴中。

And the little boy is greeted by the captain, who's played by Leslie Nielsen-- who, at this point, had not made the career transition to parodying characters like this captain.

小男孩受到了由莱斯利·尼尔森扮演的船长的欢迎——此时，他还没有完成职业生涯的过渡，模仿像这位船长这样的角色。

Mr. Shelby, you've picked a particularly fascinating moment to accept my invitation.

谢尔比先生，您选择了一个特别迷人的时刻来接受我的邀请。

These waves don't bother you, huh?

这些波浪不会打扰你，是吧？

I've surfed up to 18 feet, but these look more like 30.

我曾冲浪过 18 英尺，但这些看起来更像是 30 英尺。

35 to be exact.

准确地说是35。

Shelby Wow, surf's really up.

谢尔比 哇，冲浪真是太棒了。

Those lines.

那些线条。

So cheesy.

太俗气了。

Ira Glass I didn't remember how wincey the acting got in some places.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我不记得某些地方的表演有多么怯懦。

When Ernest Borgnine shows up, it's clear that the 1956 Oscar winner for Best Actor is not in one of his best roles.

当欧内斯特·博格宁 (Ernest Borgnine) 出现时，很明显这位 1956 年奥斯卡最佳男主角奖得主并不是在扮演他最好的角色之一。

Linda, you hear me?

琳达，你听到我说话了吗？

Zach Why is he so angry?

扎克为什么这么生气？

Borgnine does seem to shout nearly every one of his lines in the film.

博格宁似乎确实喊出了他在电影中的每一句台词。

One thing that kind of stunned me and I did not expect seeing the film again was how much of the dialogue I remember from decades ago.

有一件事让我感到震惊，我没想到会再次看到这部电影，那就是我记得几十年前的对话。

And I was also surprised to realize-- and I do not know what this says about me-- the lines that that I remember the most are the little comic zingers.

我还惊讶地发现——我不知道这对我来说意味着什么——我记得最清楚的台词是那些幽默的小笑话。

You know, like when a crew member is asked if he's married, I know his corny response before he says it.

你知道，就像当一名船员被问到是否已婚时，我在他说之前就知道他的老生常谈的反应。

Are you married?

你结婚了吗？

Man No marriage for me, Mrs. Rosen.

伙计，我不适合结婚，罗森太太。

I've got a mistress.

我有一个情妇。

Hey, that's good.

嘿，那很好。

Ira Glass Something I did remember, and remember liking from the film, was that this was an old-fashioned enough movie that the producers tried to insert some big ideas into the adventure, so it would all mean something.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我确实记得并且记得喜欢这部电影，那就是这是一部足够老式的电影，制片人试图在冒险中插入一些大创意，所以这一切都会有意义。

These big ideas are provided by Gene Hackman, who plays a rebellious young priest in a turtleneck, whose big theological idea is a very conveniently helpful one for people who are about to be capsized in the middle of the ocean.

这些伟大的想法是由吉恩·哈克曼提供的，他扮演一位穿着高领毛衣的叛逆的年轻牧师，他的伟大的神学思想对于那些即将在大海中翻船的人来说是一个非常方便的帮助。

God doesn't want you to wait for miracles.

上帝不希望你等待奇迹。

You have to take matters into your own hands.

你必须把事情掌握在自己手中。

Don't pray to God to solve your problems.

不要祈求上帝解决你的问题。

This is from a sermon he delivers early in the film.

这是他在影片开头的一次布道。

Have the guts to fight for yourself.

有勇气为自己而战。

God wants brave souls.

上帝想要勇敢的灵魂。

He wants winners, not quitters.

他想要的是胜利者，而不是放弃者。

If you can't win, at least try to win!

如果你不能赢，至少要努力去赢！

He comes back to this over and over through the film, rallying the passengers to fight on.

他在影片中一遍又一遍地回到这一点，号召乘客继续战斗。

I loved that as a teenager, that there was this idealistic guy with this principle that he's trying to live by and this idea about God that the film is testing.

我十几岁的时候就喜欢这个理想主义的家伙，他努力遵循这个原则，并且电影正在测试关于上帝的想法。

And I have to say, seeing it today, I still loved it, that they put that in there.

我不得不说，今天看到它，我仍然喜欢它，他们把它放在那里。

Anyway, soon enough, right at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve, the tsunami hits, the boat flips, the plotline tips.

不管怎样，很快，就在除夕夜午夜钟声敲响的时候，海啸袭来，船翻了，情节也发生了变化。

In the wreckage of the upside down New Year's party, Gene Hackman convinces only eight passengers that they shouldn't stay and wait for God to send rescuers, but climb with him to safety.

在颠倒的新年派对的废墟中，吉恩·哈克曼只说服了八名乘客，他们不应该留下来等待上帝派出救援人员，而应该和他一起爬到安全的地方。

Now please, for God's sake, come with me.

现在，看在上帝的份上，请跟我来。

They creep from deck to deck, barely escaping the rising waters as they go.

他们从一个甲板爬到另一个甲板，一路上险些逃离不断上涨的海水。

The ceilings of the rooms are the floors that they walk on and the floors are the ceilings.

房间的天花板就是他们行走的地板，地板就是天花板。

There's a fiery upside-down kitchen.

有一个火热的颠倒厨房。

They go up slippery ladders and inverted staircases.

他们爬上湿滑的梯子和倒转的楼梯。

And by the time they start dying, one by one, for Karen and me, and even Zach, it's no joke.

当他们开始一一死去时，对于凯伦和我，甚至扎克来说，这都不是玩笑。

We're in it.

我们就在其中。

We care.

我们关心。

[GROANING AND SPLASHING] Zach Did she just have a heart attack?

[呻吟和溅水]扎克 她刚刚心脏病发作吗？

Wait, did she just have a heart attack?

等等，她刚刚心脏病发作了吗？

Yes.

是的。

Zach Wow.

扎克 哇。

That's a pretty random heart attack.

这是一次非常随机的心脏病发作。

Not really.

并不真地。

Think about the fact that she just did all that swimming and she's out of shape.

想想她刚刚游了那么多泳，身材就走样了。

After Mrs. Rosen, the menschy grandma in the film dies, her husband discovers her dead body.

影片中善良的罗森夫人去世后，她的丈夫发现了她的尸体。

I remember this, too, really well.

这件事我也记得很清楚。

This was very affecting.

这非常有影响力。

I've been really invested in this movie.

我对这部电影真的很投入。

It's sort of good.

这有点不错。

You do feel very invested?

你觉得自己很有投入吗？

Zach Yeah.

扎克 是的。

It's like I'm not sure what's gonna happen next, unlike most other movies.

与大多数其他电影不同，我不确定接下来会发生什么。

I'd wondered if Zack was gonna feel the same big feelings that I felt for the film at his age.

我想知道扎克是否会和我在他这个年纪对这部电影有同样的感受。

And he totally did.

他完全做到了。

[SCREAMING] Zach Wow, she dies?

[尖叫]扎克 哇，她死了？

No. Oh, he dies, too?

不，哦，他也死了？

No. They were so close.

不，他们是如此亲密。

No.

不。

By the time we get to gene hackman's big climactic speech to God...

当我们看到吉恩·哈克曼向上帝发表的高潮演讲时……

What more do you want of us?

您还想要我们什么？

We came all this way no thanks to you.

我们千里迢迢而来，并不是多亏了你。

...it was clear: The Poseidon Adventure, it does its job.

...很明显：波塞冬冒险，它完成了它的工作。

It gets to you.

它会传给你。

But thinking about the experience that Zach had watching the film and the one that I was having, it's so different, right?

但想想扎克观看这部电影的经历和我的经历，这是非常不同的，对吧？

For me, it was like walking into a room from my childhood home and finding it intact and exactly how I remembered it.

对我来说，这就像走进我童年家的一个房间，发现它完好无损，和我记忆中的一模一样。

Or we would get to a scene and I would remember things I didn't realize I remembered.

或者我们会看到一个场景，我会记住一些我没有意识到我记得的事情。

Is there even a name for that?

有这个名字吗？

When we watch a movie together, we think we're watching the same thing, but we are not.

当我们一起看电影时，我们以为我们在看同一部电影，但事实并非如此。

For me, The Poseidon Adventure is a portal back to that vacation, and being in that hotel room with Karen, and knowing those movie stars from other things they made, and just that whole time in my life.

对我来说，《波塞冬历险记》是回到那个假期的门户，和凯伦一起在酒店房间里，通过他们制作的其他东西了解那些电影明星，以及我生命中的那段时间。

I can't show Zack that movie.

我不能给扎克看那部电影。

Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这是《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today on our program, after months of pandemic when so many of us have been staying home and seeing way more movies than usual, we thought here at our show, let's do a movie night, a show about movies.

今天在我们的节目中，经过几个月的大流行，我们很多人都呆在家里，看的电影比平常多得多，我们想在我们的节目中，让我们举办一个电影之夜，一场关于电影的节目。

And in particular, we decided to get people who've watched a film over and over, who see something in it most people don't see, films for which they are an audience of one.

特别是，我们决定让那些一遍又一遍地观看一部电影、在其中看到大多数人看不到的东西的人，成为他们的观众。

Including somebody who went this deep with a video online, and somebody who watched a classic kid's film over and over, a film that so many of us have seen.

包括有人对在线视频进行了如此深入的研究，以及有人一遍又一遍地观看一部经典儿童电影，一部我们很多人都看过的电影。

She loved it, and only learned years later as an adult that what she'd seen was only the first half of the film.

她很喜欢这部电影，直到成年后才知道她所看到的只是电影的前半部分。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

So back when the pandemic first took hold, a lot of people were watching or re-watching the movie Contagion, which originally came out in 2011.

因此，当大流行首次爆发时，很多人都在观看或重新观看 2011 年上映的电影《传染病》。

Maybe you've seen it.

也许你已经看过了。

It's about a deadly and fast-spreading virus that is spread by respiratory droplets, goes around the world.

这是关于一种致命且快速传播的病毒，通过呼吸道飞沫传播，在世界各地传播。

Governments fail to contain it.

政府未能遏制它。

And I think we watch films like that or read books about the 1918 flu because it just scratches this itch, where we just want some way to think about what we're going through right now.

我认为我们观看类似的电影或阅读有关 1918 年流感的书籍，因为它只是解决了我们的痒处，我们只是想以某种方式思考我们现在正在经历的事情。

And it's nice to just see somebody else go through some version of it.

很高兴看到其他人经历它的某些版本。

One of our producers, Sean Cole, has never seen Contagion, but he found himself turning to this other movie, a movie about a virus, that you probably have not heard of.

我们的制片人之一肖恩·科尔从未看过《传染病》，但他发现自己转向了另一部电影，一部关于病毒的电影，你可能没有听说过。

It is a very different spin on the subject.

这是一个非常不同的主题。

Here's Sean.

这是肖恩。

You won't find this movie on Netflix or YouTube or anywhere like that, or at least I couldn't find it that way.

你不会在 Netflix 或 YouTube 或类似的地方找到这部电影，或者至少我无法通过这种方式找到它。

I finally had to order a DVD from an online vintage movie store.

我最后不得不从一家在线老式电影商店订购了一张 DVD。

It's clear my copy was pirated off cable-- skips a lot.

很明显我的副本是通过有线电视盗版的——跳过了很多。

And like all of the Contagion geeks, I was floored by some of the parallels to now, especially given that this movie came out in 1968, more than half a century ago.

和所有《传染病》极客一样，我对现在的一些相似之处感到震惊，特别是考虑到这部电影于 1968 年上映，距今已有半个多世纪了。

For instance, in this movie, instead of a bat, the vector of the virus is a bird, a toucan that stowed away aboard a Greek freighter somewhere near Central America.

例如，在这部电影中，病毒的载体不是蝙蝠，而是一只鸟，一只偷偷藏在中美洲附近某处希腊货轮上的巨嘴鸟。

Then the boat docks in New York Harbor for inspection, and the first mate alerts the military that a lot of the crew is sick.

然后船停靠在纽约港接受检查，大副警告军方许多船员生病了。

We'll have to hold the ship in quarantine indefinitely.

我们将不得不无限期地隔离这艘船。

If it a virus, my guess, it's a brand new one, some kind of a mutation.

如果它是一种病毒，我猜，它是一种全新的病毒，某种突变。

No telling how long it'll take to identify it.

不知道需要多长时间才能识别出来。

The toucan is still on board, held in a makeshift chicken wire fence.

巨嘴鸟仍在船上，被关在临时的铁丝围栏里。

But then it gets loose, flies straight into the city, and starts infecting people.

但随后它就松散了，直接飞进城市，开始感染人们。

Just a few at first.

一开始只有几个。

The mayor of New York, an empty suit motivated mostly by money and poll numbers, holds a press conference, speaking into a microphone labeled WNYC, the public radio station in New York, where I used to work.

纽约市长穿着空荡荡的西装，主要是为了金钱和民意调查数字，他召开了一场新闻发布会，对着标有“WNYC”的麦克风讲话，这是纽约的公共广播电台，我曾经在那里工作过。

It was weird.

很奇怪。

There is absolutely no cause for alarm.

完全没有理由惊慌。

Only 47 cases have been reported so far.

迄今为止仅报告了47例。

However, the commissioner of health recommends that you wear a surgical mask when you are out in public.

不过，卫生专员建议您外出公共场合时佩戴外科口罩。

He holds up a mask exactly like the one I wear every day.

他举着一个面具，和我每天戴的面具一模一样。

After the reporters leave, though, there's deep concern and dread.

然而，记者离开后，人们心中充满了深深的担忧和恐惧。

The health commissioner, an older Anthony Fauci-type, scolds the mayor for underplaying the threat everyone's facing.

这位卫生专员是一位年长的安东尼·福奇（Anthony Fauci）类型的人，他斥责市长低估了每个人都面临的威胁。

True, we got a line on the 47 who reported to doctors, but--

确实，我们接到了 47 名向医生报告的电话，但是——

But when you feel good, you don't go to a doctor.

但当你感觉良好时，你就不会去看医生。

But the virus only has a life of 10 days or so.

但病毒的寿命只有10天左右。

You said so yourself.

你自己也这么说。

Yes, but somebody who gets it on the 10th day, and has it for another 10 days, and a week after he gets it, he gives it to somebody else and so on.

是的，但是有人在第 10 天得到它，并再保留 10 天，在得到它一周后，他把它给了其他人，依此类推。

Theoretically, it could go on for years.

从理论上讲，这种情况可能会持续数年。

Soon, everyone is scurrying around the city in a masked panic.

很快，每个人都带着掩饰的恐慌在城市中四处奔波。

Businesses suffer.

企业遭受损失。

A presidential envoy fast tracks the development of a vaccine.

总统特使快速跟踪疫苗的开发。

If it weren't for the 20-foot-long cop cars and A-line mod dresses, it feels like some of these scenes could've been shot in Manhattan last weekend.

如果没有 20 英尺长的警车和 A 字型时尚连衣裙，感觉其中一些场景可能是上周末在曼哈顿拍摄的。

Except, there's one major difference between this film and the Steven Soderberghian Contagion-like reality we're all living in.

不过，这部电影和我们生活在史蒂文·索德伯格的传染病式现实之间有一个重大区别。

Because in this movie, the virus is not fatal.

因为在这部电影中，病毒并不致命。

It doesn't even cause a fever or a cough.

它甚至不会引起发烧或咳嗽。

Instead, the main and only symptom is absolute euphoria.

相反，主要也是唯一的症状是绝对的欣快感。

That's it.

就是这样。

Everyone it infects experiences unbridled happiness and elation.

每个被它感染的人都会体验到无拘无束的幸福和兴高采烈。

Its victims begin acting kindly to one another, deferential.

它的受害者开始表现得友善、恭敬。

In just a couple of days, the city is transformed from this--

短短几天，这座城市就发生了翻天覆地的变化——

Come on, you jerk!

来吧，你这个混蛋！

The light ain't gonna get any greener!

光不会变得更绿！

Why, you lazy, no good, rotten, stinking--

为什么，你这个懒惰的人，不好，腐烂，发臭——

You're damn right I am!

你他妈说得对，我就是！

Man Who you shoving, mac?

伙计，你推谁了，麦克？

You own the sidewalk?

人行道是你的吗？

To this.

对此。

Man Good morning.

男人早上好。

Nice day, isn't it?

美好的一天，不是吗？

May I help you?

我可以帮你吗？

Sean Cole The movie's called What's So Bad About Feeling Good?

肖恩·科尔 这部电影的名字叫《感觉良好有什么不好？》

It's a comedy-- a rom com, really.

这是一部喜剧——一部浪漫喜剧，真的。

And it is not a good movie, which is why you likely haven't heard of it, even though the lead actors are George Peppard, from Breakfast at Tiffany's and the A-Team, and Mary Tyler Moore from Mary Tyler Moore.

这不是一部好电影，这就是为什么你可能没有听说过它，尽管主演是《蒂凡尼的早餐》和《天龙特工队》中的乔治·佩帕德，以及《玛丽·泰勒·摩尔》中的玛丽·泰勒·摩尔。

And they do a good job.

他们做得很好。

Pretty much everyone in the cast is really skilled, but the whole production is outlandishly campy and caricaturistic.

演员阵容中的几乎每个人都非常熟练，但整个制作却显得异常做作和漫画化。

There are a few very awkward choices.

有一些非常尴尬的选择。

Cartoon word balloons emerge from the toucan's mouth sometimes when it squawks, so you know what it's thinking.

当巨嘴鸟叫的时候，它的嘴里有时会冒出卡通字气球，这样你就知道它在想什么。

Oh, and there's a schmaltzy AM radio theme song, kind of a knockoff of Burt Bacharach.

哦，还有一首伤感的 AM 电台主题曲，有点模仿伯特·巴卡拉克 (Burt Bacharach)。

(SINGING) What's so wrong with that happy sensation, that sense of utter elation?

（唱歌）那种幸福的感觉、那种彻底的兴高采烈的感觉有什么问题吗？

What's so bad about feeling good?

感觉良好有什么不好呢？

That said, it's also a great movie, in the way that silly B movies can be so satisfying, especially the arcane ones that make you feel like a kid watching adults mess up for the first time.

也就是说，这也是一部很棒的电影，愚蠢的 B 级电影也能如此令人满意，尤其是那些让你感觉像个孩子第一次看到成年人搞砸的神秘电影。

I have a greatest hits list of them in my head.

我脑子里有一张最热门的歌曲列表。

Wild in the Streets, about ageist hippies waging a coup against the US government.

《狂野街头》讲述了有年龄歧视的嬉皮士发动政变反对美国政府的故事。

Invasion of the Bee Girls, about a race of murderous women, who are also bees.

《蜜蜂女孩的入侵》讲述了一群凶残的女性，她们也是蜜蜂。

Both of which you can watch online for free.

这两部作品都可以免费在线观看。

But since it's so hard to find a copy of this movie, let me just continue taking you through the plot in a kind of abbreviated, radioified Cliff's Notes version, for your movie not-going enjoyment.

但由于很难找到这部电影的副本，所以让我继续以一种缩略的、广播式《克里夫笔记》版本的方式带您了解剧情，供您在电影中享受。

So George Peppard and Mary Tyler Moore are Pete and Liz, two characters who are tailor-made for this particular plot, because they don't contain an ounce of euphoria.

所以乔治·佩帕德和玛丽·泰勒·摩尔就是皮特和莉兹，这两个角色是为这个特定的情节量身定做的，因为他们没有一丝欣快感。

They're brooding, existentialist arty-types that have dropped out of society, living in the East Village.

他们是沉思的、存在主义的艺术类型，已经脱离社会，住在东村。

They'd be boyfriend and girlfriend, if they believed in that sort of thing.

如果他们相信这种事，他们就会成为男女朋友。

For no discernible reason-- or maybe cause the script wasn't working and they had to fix it quickly-- there's a lot of voiceover by these two.

没有明显的原因——或者可能是因为剧本不起作用，他们必须迅速修复——这两个人有很多画外音。

A couple years ago, I was just like the rest of you conformists.

几年前，我和你们其他人一样都是墨守成规的人。

I was in advertising, name on the door, carpet on the floor, an ulcer, headaches, the whole bit.

我在做广告，门上有名字，地板上有地毯，溃疡，头痛，等等。

But I wised up to that phony world and came down here.

但我看清了那个虚假的世界并来到了这里。

So did Liz.

丽兹也是如此。

She was on the treadmill, too.

她也在跑步机上。

I sure was.

我确实是。

Uptown supper clubs, singing schmaltzy songs to the drunks, fighting to get to the top of the ladder.

住宅区的晚餐俱乐部，向醉汉们唱着伤感的歌曲，努力爬到梯子的顶端。

And then my heart got into the act, and somebody stepped on it.

然后我的心就开始行动了，有人踩了它。

Pills to sleep, pills to stay awake.

入睡药，保持清醒药。

Finally, I asked myself, for what?

最后我问自己，为了什么？

This was the answer.

这就是答案。

"This" being the communal building they live in with a tribe of other unhappy nihilists collecting unemployment.

“这里”是他们与一群其他领取失业救济的不幸虚无主义者居住的公共建筑。

They all look a little like cave people at a gallery opening.

他们看起来都有点像画廊开幕式上的穴居人。

One of them spends every hour of every day completely enveloped inside of a sack.

其中一个每天的每一个小时都完全被包裹在麻袋里。

They call her the Sack.

他们称她为“麻袋”。

Since the problems of life are insoluble, one should draw into complete isolation and live a life of total non-involvement with other people.

既然生活中的问题是无法解决的，那么一个人就应该完全与世隔绝，过一种完全不与他人交往的生活。

The Sack is right.

麻袋是对的。

Sean Cole Meanwhile, a little ways downtown, the Faucian commissioner of health pretty quickly figures out how the virus works.

与此同时，在市中心不远的地方，福斯卫生专员肖恩·科尔很快就弄清楚了病毒是如何传播的。

And it has to be transmitted by respiration.

而且必须通过呼吸传播。

All that bird has to do is get within breathing distance of somebody and pop goes the weasel.

那只鸟所要做的就是到达某人的呼吸距离内，然后黄鼠狼就会弹出。

Cue the toucan, who flies into Pete and Liz's window one morning while they're sleeping, loiters for a minute next to Pete's face and leaves.

有一天早上，巨嘴鸟在皮特和莉兹睡觉时飞进他们的窗户，在皮特的脸旁边徘徊了一分钟，然后离开了。

Pete wakes up early.

皮特很早就醒了。

What are you doing up?

你在做什么？

Sean Cole And heads up to the roof.

肖恩·科尔 然后前往屋顶。

Liz climbs up after him concerned.

莉兹担心地跟着他爬了起来。

What happened?

发生了什么？

Pete Come here.

皮特 过来。

Look, in this cruddy pile of junk, a flower.

看，在这堆破烂的垃圾里，有一朵花。

Pete, what's wrong?

皮特，怎么了？

What's the matter with you.

你怎么了。

I don't know.

我不知道。

Ever since I got up, I've been feeling strange, kind of.

自从我起床后，我就一直感觉很奇怪。

I don't think I can explain it to you, but everything seems different.

我想我无法向你解释，但一切似乎都不一样了。

Hey, listen.

嘿，听着。

To what, the traffic?

交通什么？

Pete Kids laughing.

皮特孩子们笑了。

You know why they're laughing?

你知道他们为什么笑吗？

'Cause they're not old enough to read the newspaper.

因为他们还不够大，不能读报纸。

You take a look at the front page, and then try laughing.

你看一下首页，然后试着笑。

The world's a stinking, hopeless mess.

世界是一团恶臭、绝望的混乱。

Oh, Pete, you're sick.

哦，皮特，你有病。

You know, sometimes a high fever can make you feel this way.

你知道，有时高烧会让你有这种感觉。

At this point, it's worth noting why someone might want to make a film about the need for euphoria in 1968.

在这一点上，值得注意的是为什么有人可能想拍一部关于 1968 年欣快感需求的电影。

The front page Liz is talking about would include headlines like "Martin Luther King Is Slain in Memphis," "Robert Kennedy Dead," "Police Battle Demonstrators in the Streets," also "Viet Cong Storm US Embassy."

莉兹正在谈论的头版将包括诸如“马丁·路德·金在孟菲斯被杀”、“罗伯特·肯尼迪之死”、“街头警察与示威者”以及“越共风暴美国大使馆”等标题。

We were a nation at war, both abroad and with itself, with protests and riots in cities across the country, and a presidential candidate running on a platform of law and order, and also courting segregationists.

我们是一个处于战争状态的国家，无论是国外还是国内，全国各地的城市都有抗议和骚乱，总统候选人在法律和秩序的平台上竞选，还拉拢种族隔离主义者。

And given all that, you might ask, what is so bad about feeling good?

考虑到这一切，你可能会问，感觉良好有什么不好呢？

Which is what the mayor in the movie wanted to know.

这正是电影中的市长想知道的。

In one of the first crisis management meetings with his cabinet, they're running down the symptoms for him, and tell him the virus stops people from brooding.

在与他的内阁举行的第一次危机管理会议中，他们向他详细介绍了症状，并告诉他病毒可以阻止人们沉思。

But it's worse than that.

但情况比这更糟糕。

Mr. Mayor, 82% not only stop brooding.

市长先生，82%的人不仅不再沉思。

They stop smoking.

他们停止吸烟。

93% stop drinking.

93% 的人停止饮酒。

What's wrong with that?

这有什么问题吗？

Man In terms of dollars and cents, it's disastrous.

就美元和美分而言，这是灾难性的。

Our city is facing a drastic loss in income from sales tax.

我们的城市正面临着销售税收入的巨大损失。

That's ridiculous.

这太荒谬了。

47 people?

47人？

Drop in a bucket.

放入桶中。

But if this goes unchecked for a month, by mathematical progression, half of New York will have the virus.

但如果这种情况不加控制一个月，按照数学级数计算，纽约一半的人都会感染这种病毒。

You know what that means?

你知道这意味着什么吗？

It means a loss in cigarette and liquor taxes, more than $180 million.

这意味着卷烟和酒类税的损失超过1.8亿美元。

$180 million?

1.8亿美元？

Brady, what are you sitting there for?

布雷迪，你坐在那里干什么？

Get that bird!

抓住那只鸟！

Meantime, Pete, much to Liz's horror, has shaved off his beard, cut his hair, and is talking about trying to get his old advertising job back.

与此同时，令莉兹惊恐的是，皮特剃掉了胡子，剪掉了头发，并正在谈论试图恢复他以前的广告工作。

Which, quick digression, interests me because it's the opposite of subversive.

题外话，这让我感兴趣，因为它与颠覆相反。

Once these nonconformists get infected, instead of dropping out, they drop in.

一旦这些不墨守成规的人被感染，他们不会退出，而是加入进来。

Pete feels so good, in fact, that once he figures out what's, quote unquote, "wrong with him," he wants to share it with everyone, starting with Liz.

事实上，皮特感觉很好，一旦他弄清楚“他出了什么问题”，他就想与所有人分享，从莉兹开始。

In an age when all of us are actively avoiding each other's bodies like the plague, because of the plague, it's wild to watch someone actively trying to spread of virus like this.

在一个我们所有人都像瘟疫一样积极躲避彼此身体的时代，因为瘟疫，看到有人像这样积极地试图传播病毒是很疯狂的。

One little kiss and you'll have it, too.

轻轻一吻，你也会得到它。

I don't want it.

我不想要它。

Pete Just one little kiss.

皮特 只要一个小小的吻。

You'll like yourself in the morning.

早上你会喜欢自己的。

I don't want it, Pete.

我不想要它，皮特。

Pete We'll get married, a real marriage--

皮特 我们会结婚，真正的婚姻——

I don't want it.

我不想要它。

Sean Cole Chasing her around the room.

肖恩·科尔在房间里追着她。

We'll get a little place in Jersey.

我们会在泽西岛找到一个小地方。

We'll have some kids and I'll mow the lawn.

我们会有一些孩子，我会修剪草坪。

And give up all this?

并放弃这一切？

Sean Cole Eventually, in a completely unbelievable moment that would never have survived the MeToo movement, Pete disguises himself as a nihilist German philosopher and tries to pressure Liz into bed, finally settling for a kiss.

肖恩·科尔 最终，在一个完全令人难以置信的时刻，皮特将自己伪装成一位虚无主义的德国哲学家，试图迫使莉兹上床，最后决定亲吻。

He exposes the rest of the gang, too.

他也揭露了该团伙的其他成员。

They all shave, cut their hair, Queer Eye their apartments.

他们都刮胡子，剪头发，粉雄救兵他们的公寓。

The Sack climbs out of her sack, and the toucan, remarkably, keeps coming back, becomes their pet.

袋子从袋子里爬出来，而巨嘴鸟则不断回来，成为他们的宠物。

They call him Amigo.

他们叫他阿米戈。

There's Amigo.

那里有阿米戈。

Sean Cole At the same time, the mayor is bundled off to an emergency bunker, so that he doesn't get sick.

肖恩·科尔 与此同时，市长被送往紧急掩体，以免他生病。

A TV reporter buttonholes him on the way in.

一名电视记者在他进来的路上扣住了他的扣子。

Tell me, sir, is there any truth to the rumor that there's been a spread in the epidemic?

先生，请告诉我，有关疫情蔓延的传闻是否属实？

Epidemic?

流行性？

Well, I'd hardly call it an epidemic.

嗯，我很难称其为流行病。

After all, we only have 180 million-- 47 cases.

毕竟，我们只有 1.8 亿——47 个病例。

Well, why then, sir, are you visiting the fallout shelter?

那么，先生，你为什么要参观避难所呢？

Just a routine inspection last Friday of every month.

只是每个月最后一个星期五的例行检查。

But today is Saturday, sir.

但今天是星期六，先生。

Mayor Well, better late than never.

市长 好吧，迟到总比不到好。

It took me watching this scene a few times, trying to figure out why it sounded so familiar.

我看了好几遍这个场景，试图弄清楚为什么它听起来如此熟悉。

And then I was like, oh yeah.

然后我就想，哦，是的。

At the height of the protests outside the White House, President Trump was moved for a time to the bunker, something that hasn't happened since 9/11.

在白宫外抗议活动最激烈的时候，特朗普总统一度被转移到地堡，这是自 9/11 事件以来从未发生过的情况。

I was there for a tiny, little short period of time, and it was much more for an inspection.

我在那里待了很短很短的一段时间，更多的是为了检查。

There was no--

没有——

Anyway, there aren't only 47 cases for long.

无论如何，长期存在的不仅仅是47例。

And that is largely due to the efforts of Pete and Liz, and their friends.

这很大程度上归功于皮特和莉兹以及他们的朋友的努力。

They wage a campaign to spread the virus intentionally by subterfuge.

他们发起一场运动，通过诡计故意传播病毒。

Liz and the Sack volunteer to hand out masks to their fellow citizens, breathing on them first.

莉兹和萨克人自愿向同胞分发口罩，并先戴上口罩呼吸。

While the Sack made sure that every mask was specially treated with the virus, I made sure that nobody got away without one.

虽然麻袋确保每个口罩都经过病毒特殊处理，但我确保每个人都可以在没有口罩的情况下逃脱。

I was in charge of transportation, assisted by Conrad.

我负责交通，康拉德协助。

Our specialty was the subway at rush hour.

我们的专长是高峰时段的地铁。

Where the biggest crowds were breathing in, we were there, breathing out.

在最大的人群吸气的地方，我们也在呼气。

They breathe on peanuts and feed them to the pigeons.

他们吸食花生并将其喂给鸽子。

Liz and another friend get jobs as burlesque dancers.

莉兹和另一位朋友找到了滑稽舞者的工作。

Their shtick is blowing soap bubbles into people's faces.

他们的伎俩是将肥皂泡吹到人们脸上。

And in just a couple of days, the number of cases explodes to about 2 million, about a quarter of the city's population.

短短几天内，病例数激增至约 200 万例，约占该市人口的四分之一。

Cabbies stop in the middle of the street to let pedestrians cross in front of them.

出租车司机会停在街道中间，让行人在他们面前过马路。

Marriage license applications flood city hall, Pete and Liz's among them.

市政厅里充斥着结婚证申请，皮特和莉兹的申请也在其中。

Barbershop lines are staggering.

理发店的队伍排得惊人。

People literally dance in the streets with joy.

人们在街上高兴地跳舞。

It's a disaster.

这是一场灾难。

Finally, the president's envoy is helicoptered into New York City to save the day-- and frankly, to save the movie.

最后，总统的特使被直升机送往纽约市以拯救世界——坦率地说，是为了拯救这部电影。

It's Dom Deluise, from Blazing Saddles, Spaceballs, Robin Hood-- Men In Tights.

这是多姆·德路易斯 (Dom Deluise)，出自《炽热马鞍》、《太空球》、《罗宾汉 - 紧身衣男》。

Dom Deluise.

多姆·德路易斯。

I love Dom Deluise.

我爱多姆·德路易斯。

He looms so large in my childhood comedy pantheon.

他在我童年的喜剧万神殿中显得如此重要。

He's atomically funny, even in this very not good film.

即使在这部非常糟糕的电影中，他也非常有趣。

His character, Jay Gardner Monroe, is way more confident and bossy and conceited than he is capable.

他饰演的杰伊·加德纳·梦露比他的能力更加自信、专横和自负。

He snaps his fingers at his aides.

他对助手打了个响指。

He uses the word "repeat," before repeating himself, like a military general.

他在重复自己之前使用了“重复”这个词，就像一位将军一样。

Anyway, he heads straight to the bunker and tells the mayor and everyone that if the toucan isn't caught before the tally reaches 3 million cases, he's putting plan CC-27 into effect.

不管怎样，他径直前往地堡，告诉市长和所有人，如果在病例总数达到 300 万例之前没有抓住这只巨嘴鸟，他将实施 CC-27 计划。

The bridges, tunnels, airports will be closed.

桥梁、隧道、机场将关闭。

Repeat, closed!

重复一遍，关闭！

Not one single person will get in or out of New York.

没有一个人可以进出纽约。

But, Mr. Monroe, do you realize we have 52 conventions coming in next week?

但是，门罗先生，您知道下周我们将召开 52 场大会吗？

Conventions?

惯例？

Do you realize what would happen if this got to Washington?

你知道如果这件事传到华盛顿会发生什么吗？

Republicans agreeing with Democrats and vice versa?

共和党同意民主党，反之亦然？

This bird could destroy our two party system, the very foundation of our great democracy.

这只鸟可能会摧毁我们的两党制度，这是我们伟大民主的基础。

The tally board is at 2.2 million cases at this point.

目前统计板的病例数为 220 万例。

And this is really the final and maybe most alarming parallel between our story and real life.

这确实是我们的故事和现实生活之间最后的、也许是最令人震惊的相似之处。

As Monroe watches the numbers tick upward, he shakes his head in disgust.

当门罗看着数字不断上升时，他厌恶地摇摇头。

Those commies sure are sneaky.

那些共产主义者确实很狡猾。

Oh, come on.

哦，来吧。

You don't think for one moment that this thing is just an accident, do you?

你不会有一刻认为这件事只是一场意外吧？

Do you?

你？

When that bird landed on that ship, its position was--

当那只鸟落在那艘船上时，它的位置是——

Longitude 82, latitude 24.

经度82，纬度24。

Jay Gardner Monroe 24, not very far from Cuba, eh?

Jay Gardner Monroe 24，离古巴不是很远，是吗？

Take my word for it, that bird is a hook-nosed missile sent here by You Know Who.

相信我的话，那只鸟是神秘人派来的钩鼻导弹。

You know who, Fidel Castro.

你知道是谁，菲德尔·卡斯特罗。

Jay Gardner Monroe Look at the facts.

杰·加德纳·门罗 看看事实。

When people get the bug, they suddenly love the world.

当人们感染了这种病毒时，他们会突然爱上这个世界。

Now, if You Know Who was getting ready to act up again, what would be better than to give Americans a sense of security, a false sense of security and euphoria?

现在，如果你知道谁准备再次行动，还有什么比给美国人一种安全感、一种虚假的安全感和欣快感更好的呢？

Mr. Monroe, you're not suggesting this virus was artificially produced in a laboratory?

门罗先生，您不是说这种病毒是在实验室人工产生的吗？

Yes, a virus produced-- laboratory, yes.

是的，一种病毒产生了——实验室，是的。

Medical impossibility.

医疗不可能。

Just couldn't have happened.

根本不可能发生。

Hah.

哈。

That's what they said about the power failure here in New York in '65.

这就是他们对 65 年纽约停电事件的评价。

That came straight, believe you me, from Red China.

相信我，那是直接来自红色中国的。

Of course it's satire.

当然是讽刺。

And in that way, it's cathartic.

通过这种方式，它具有宣泄作用。

But when I got to that scene, it suddenly felt like every other part of the movie had been an escape from what's going on.

但当我到达那个场景时，突然感觉电影的其他部分都是对正在发生的事情的逃避。

It's funny that one of the most ludicrous pieces of dialogue is also practically a quote we've heard in the news in 2020, and not as a joke.

有趣的是，最荒唐的对话之一实际上也是我们在 2020 年新闻中听到的一句话，而不是一个笑话。

There's so much more of the story left, but just to abridge, they finally managed to isolate the virus.

故事还有很多，但简单来说，他们终于成功分离出了病毒。

Amazingly, because it's a movie, they develop a vaccine, like, that day.

令人惊讶的是，因为这是一部电影，他们开发了一种疫苗，就像那天一样。

But they still have to test it out, so they spray it in Pete and Liz's nuptial bed, in the hotel room where they're spending their wedding night, and set up a hidden camera behind the air vent.

但他们仍然需要测试一下，所以他们把它喷在皮特和莉兹的新婚床上，在他们度过新婚之夜的酒店房间里，并在通风口后面安装了一个隐藏的摄像头。

Everybody in the bunker-- the mayor, the Fauci character, Jay Gardner Monroe, all of them-- sit and monitor the couple on a big screen as morning arrives.

地堡里的每个人——市长、福奇角色、杰伊·加德纳·门罗，所有人——都坐在大屏幕上，在早晨到来时监视这对夫妇。

Liz wakes up to Pete coming back from an errand.

莉兹醒来时发现皮特出差回来了。

He's still wearing his suit, but he's disheveled, messy hair, smoking.

他仍然穿着西装，但头发凌乱，头发凌乱，还抽烟。

Good morning, darling.

早上好，亲爱的。

I didn't hear you--

我没听见你说话——

Couldn't sleep.

睡不着。

Went out for coffee and cigarettes.

出去喝咖啡、抽烟。

Room service is probably up and I'll order breakfast.

客房服务可能已经开始，我会点早餐。

Don't.

不。

I don't want any.

我什么都不想要。

Liz Oh, but Pete, you really should eat something.

莉兹哦，但是皮特，你真的应该吃点东西。

Don't bug me!

别打扰我！

Sean Cole Jay Gardner Monroe, watching on the monitor from the bunker, is psyched.

肖恩·科尔·杰·加德纳·门罗在地堡里通过监视器观看比赛，他很兴奋。

Well, he's back to normal.

还好，他恢复正常了。

It worked, Doc.

它起作用了，博士。

Not her.

不是她。

She doesn't seem to have changed a bit.

她似乎没有一点变化。

And I don't know what this says about me, but of all the scenes in the movie, this is the one I remember the most clearly from the first time I saw it.

我不知道这对我来说意味着什么，但在电影的所有场景中，这是我第一次看到它时记得最清楚的一个。

I've actually carried it around all of these years, because it's genuinely so sad.

这些年来我一直带着它，因为它真的很悲伤。

Liz looks like her heart is breaking in real time.

莉兹看起来心都碎了。

No, don't ask me to go back.

不，别叫我回去。

Remember what we had.

记住我们拥有的。

Remember it, cling to it.

记住它，坚持它。

You're kidding yourself.

你在开玩笑吧。

You talk about goodness and kindness.

你谈论善良和仁慈。

Read the front page and try and find something.

阅读首页并尝试找到一些东西。

Pete, I can't go back.

皮特，我回不去了。

I couldn't live that kind of life ever again.

我再也不能过那样的生活了。

Pete shrugs.

皮特耸耸肩。

Pete OK.

皮特 好的。

You drink your poison, and I'll drink mine.

你喝你的毒，我也喝我的。

There's no doubt about him.

他是毫无疑问的。

That was certainly a positive reaction.

这当然是一个积极的反应。

Positive.

积极的。

There's a happy ending.

有一个幸福的结局。

Liz decides to leave New York and move home.

莉兹决定离开纽约搬回家。

But at the very last minute, she goes to say goodbye to Amigo, the bird, who's in a zoo now.

但在最后一刻，她去向现在在动物园里的阿米戈告别。

And Pete's there, too.

皮特也在那儿。

Liz!

丽兹！

Sean Cole They do that rom com running thing.

肖恩·科尔（Sean Cole） 他们做的是浪漫喜剧的运作。

Pete!

皮特！

Sean Cole And just like that, they're back together.

肖恩·科尔：就这样，他们又回到了一起。

The city spews the vaccine into the air via factory chimneys and exhaust pipes, and most of New York lives miserably ever after.

该市通过工厂烟囱和排气管将疫苗喷入空气中，纽约大部分地区从此过着悲惨的生活。

But some people stay pleasant and uplifted, because-- major plot twist-- 50% of the people who seemed to be infected actually never got the virus in the first place.

但有些人仍然保持愉快和振奋，因为——主要的情节转折——50%的看似被感染的人实际上从未感染过病毒。

The joy just rubbed off on them, and Liz was one of those people, which is why she didn't get, quote, unquote, "better" in the hotel room.

喜悦感感染了他们，而莉兹就是其中之一，这就是为什么她在酒店房间里没有得到“更好”的原因。

Which is actually the moral of the movie, that happiness is a choice.

这实际上是电影的寓意，幸福是一种选择。

But watching the movie during this pandemic, I drew another, darker conclusion.

但在这次大流行期间观看这部电影，我得出了另一个更黑暗的结论。

Somehow, that wiggly weird jolt of recognition I got over and over again, what it felt like was, this is how it goes.

不知何故，我一次又一次地得到那种奇怪的认可的震动，感觉就是，事情就是这样。

When faced with a crisis like this, governments will minimize the severity of the danger.

当面临这样的危机时，政府会尽量减少危险的严重程度。

They'll value the wrong things.

他们会看重错误的事物。

They'll focus on the economy over people's lives, and blame foreigners in an ugly, xenophobic way.

他们会关注经济而不是人们的生活，并以丑陋、仇外的方式指责外国人。

I'm sure there's a version of America where all that might not happen, but we're not living in that America right now.

我确信有一个版本的美国，所有这些可能都不会发生，但我们现在并不生活在那个美国。

And Pete and Liz weren't living in it, either.

皮特和莉兹也不住在里面。

If it's possible for human beings to do the wrong thing, we'll figure out a way.

如果人类有可能做错事，我们就会想办法。

We're resourceful like that.

我们就是这样足智多谋。

Sean Cole is one of the producers of our show.

肖恩·科尔是我们节目的制片人之一。

(SINGING) Man, I had the craziest dream.

（唱歌）伙计，我做了一个最疯狂的梦。

I danced with Mr. Clean and gave the white knight a helping hand.

我和克林先生一起跳舞，并向白衣骑士伸出了援助之手。

Coming up, OK, 5 o'clock somewhere, but in Wisconsin, they're asking when it's 5 o'clock here, does that really mean 5 o'clock?

即将到来，好吧，某个地方是 5 点，但在威斯康星州，他们会问这里什么时候是 5 点，这真的意味着 5 点吗？

That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today's program, Audience of One, stories about people watching movies and watching some other things, too, and seeing something in them that other people do not.

今天的节目《一个观众》讲述了人们在观看电影的同时也观看其他一些事物，并在其中看到了其他人看不到的东西的故事。

We have arrived at Act Two of our program-- Act Two, Late Registration.

我们已经进入了计划的第二幕——第二幕，延迟注册。

So vérité political documentaries are not everybody's thing, especially if they are over five hours long and go straight to video.

因此，真实的政治纪录片并不是每个人都喜欢，尤其是当它们时长超过五个小时并直接制成视频时。

But one of our producers, Ben Calhoun, discovered one that he found pretty mesmerizing.

但我们的一位制片人本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun) 发现了一个令他着迷的发现。

It concerns Kanye West.

这与坎耶·韦斯特有关。

As you probably know, Kanye West is running for president.

您可能知道，坎耶·韦斯特正在竞选总统。

He's not on the ballot in enough states to actually win the presidency, but he's in some key battleground states, including Wisconsin.

他在足够多的州的选票上没有真正赢得总统职位，但他在一些关键的战场州，包括威斯康星州。

Of course, a celebrity on the ballot will always siphon off at least some votes.

当然，选票上的名人总是会吸走至少一些选票。

And in Wisconsin, both parties are scrounging for any little pocket of votes that they can get, because as you may recall in 2016, Donald Trump won Wisconsin by just 23,000 votes out of 2.8 million cast.

在威斯康星州，两党都在争夺他们能获得的一点点选票，因为你可能还记得，2016 年，唐纳德·特朗普在 280 万张选票中仅以 23,000 票赢得了威斯康星州。

So any tiny wedge votes could possibly make the difference and determine who wins the state this time.

因此，任何微小的楔形选票都可能产生影响，并决定这次谁赢得该州。

Which brings us to the video Ben saw.

这让我们看到了本看到的视频。

Here he is.

他在这里。

This 5 and 1/2 hour video is of the Wisconsin Elections Commission deciding whether Kanye West would get to appear on the state's ballot in November.

这段时长 5 又 1/2 小时的视频是威斯康星州选举委员会决定 Kanye West 是否会出现在 11 月份该州选票上的视频。

Wisconsin, my home state, it's like a lot of places.

威斯康星州，我的家乡，和很多地方一样。

If you're Kanye West or anyone who's not from a major party, you've got to collect a certain number of signatures to get on the ballot.

如果你是坎耶·维斯特或任何非主要政党的人，你必须收集一定数量的签名才能参加选票。

In Kanye West's case, a company flew in canvassers, who started circulating petitions just one day before the signatures would have to be turned in to state elections officials, at 5:00 PM.

在 Kanye West 的案例中，一家公司派来游说者，他们在签名必须提交给州选举官员的前一天下午 5:00 开始散发请愿书。

So they collect and collect.

所以他们收集再收集。

Next day comes, Tuesday, August 4, and we arrive at the deadline, 5:00 PM, a tiny moment cradled between 4:59 and 5:01, a speck on the surface of American history, but one that would spiral out into a marathon political debate.

第二天，也就是 8 月 4 日星期二，我们到达了最后期限，下午 5:00，这是 4:59 到 5:01 之间的一个微小时刻，是美国历史表面上的一个小斑点，但却会演变成一场马拉松式的政治辩论。

My name is Ann Jacobs.

我叫安·雅各布斯。

I'm chair of the Wisconsin Elections Commission.

我是威斯康星州选举委员会主席。

We are here for a special meeting.

我们来这里是为了参加一个特别会议。

Here we are a couple of weeks later.

几周后我们就到了这里。

It's Thursday afternoon.

现在是星期四下午。

The Wisconsin Elections Commission gets together to decide about kicking Kanye West off the Wisconsin ballot.

威斯康星州选举委员会聚集在一起决定将坎耶·韦斯特从威斯康星州选票中剔除。

The setting is one that's familiar to a lot of people now, Zoom.

这个设定是现在很多人都熟悉的设定，Zoom。

Commissioner Spindell.

斯平德尔专员。

Robert Spindell Here.

罗伯特·斯平德尔在这里。

Commissioner Thomsen.

汤姆森委员。

Mark Thomsen Here.

马克·汤姆森在这里。

The camera toggles between the six commissioners.

镜头在六位委员之间切换。

There's three Republicans, three Democrats.

三个共和党人，三个民主党人。

Occasionally, it flips to some of the staff.

有时，它会转向一些员工。

Running the show, Ann Jacobs, the commission chair, a Democrat.

主持该节目的是委员会主席、民主党人安·雅各布斯。

Jacobs gets right down to business-- challenge to West's petitions.

雅各布斯言归正传——对韦斯特的请愿书提出质疑。

There will be a lawyer on each side.

双方都会有一名律师。

So first up, representing the challengers, the folks trying to bump West off the ballot, there's a lawyer named Jeff Mandell.

首先，代表挑战者、那些试图将韦斯特从选票上剔除的人的是一位名叫杰夫·曼德尔的律师。

And he looks a little like a young Jon Favreau-- the actor, not the podcaster.

他看起来有点像年轻的乔恩·费儒——演员，而不是播客。

Mandell appears in what looks like a cozy spot in his house.

曼德尔出现在他家中看似舒适的地方。

Go ahead.

前进。

Jeff Mandell Thank you very much.

杰夫·曼德尔非常感谢你。

May it please the Commission, the nomination papers submitted on behalf of Mr. West and Miss Tidball were untimely.

请委员会高兴的是，代表韦斯特先生和蒂德博尔小姐提交的提名文件不合时宜。

They were filed after 5:00 PM.

他们是在下午 5:00 后提交的。

Statute 8.20, subdivision 8, section 8 AM says that nomination papers must be filed not later than 5:00 PM.

法规 8.20 第 8 款第 8 AM 条规定，提名文件必须在下午 5:00 之前提交。

That is very legal way to say, West was late.

这是非常合法的说法，韦斯特迟到了。

An attorney for his campaign, a woman named Lane Ruhland, she rolled up to the building in an SUV moments before 5:00.

他的竞选律师、一位名叫莱恩·鲁兰 (Lane Ruhland) 的女士在 5:00 之前开着一辆 SUV 来到了大楼。

She shuffled papers around on her dashboard and then rushed in, as a TV news crew filmed her.

她在仪表盘上翻弄着文件，然后冲了进去，电视新闻工作人员正在拍摄她。

And Mandell lays all of this out with the punch and swagger of a prosecutor on a capital murder case, when really he's just talking about a lawyer walking through a door.

曼德尔用检察官处理死刑谋杀案时的拳头和招摇来阐述这一切，而实际上他只是在谈论一位律师走进门。

By her own admission, Attorney Ruhland was in her car at 4:59 PM.

鲁兰律师自己承认，下午 4 点 59 分，她正在车里。

That's in paragraph 6 of her affidavit on page 928 of the commission materials.

这是委员会材料第 928 页上她的宣誓书第 6 段中的内容。

Miss Ruhland exited her car a couple of seconds after 5 o'clock.

5 点过后几秒钟，鲁兰小姐下了车。

You can see that in exhibit A to the Remiker affidavit at three minutes and four seconds in the video.

您可以在视频中 3 分 4 秒的 Remiker 宣誓书的附件 A 中看到这一点。

What follows is a Zapruder film style reconstruction of this whole scene at the front door of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, the moment when West's lawyer rushed in with the petitions.

接下来是赞普鲁德电影风格重建的威斯康星州选举委员会前门的整个场景，韦斯特的律师带着请愿书冲进来的那一刻。

Mandell has stitched all this together from affidavits of a TV news story and a video from a Democratic Party operative, who filmed all this, including a shot of his Apple watch for a timestamp.

曼德尔根据电视新闻故事的宣誓书和民主党特工的视频将所有这些内容拼凑在一起，该特工拍摄了这一切，包括他的苹果手表的时间戳镜头。

Miss Ruhland entered the building no earlier than 14 seconds after 5 o'clock.

鲁兰德小姐在5点过后14秒内进入大楼。

Her colleague followed eight or nine seconds later with the bulk of the papers.

八九秒后，她的同事拿着大部分文件跟了过来。

That left them no more than 36 seconds to walk the length of the first floor, to wait for the elevator, to ride to the third floor, to wait for the doors to open, to walk to the main desk of the commission, and to transfer the papers to the filing officer.

这样一来，他们走完一楼、等待电梯、乘车到三楼、等待门打开、走到委员会总台、将文件转交给备案官员的时间不超过 36 秒。

That cannot happen in 37 seconds.

这不可能在 37 秒内发生。

The staff memo reaches that conclusion on page 15.

员工备忘录第 15 页得出了这一结论。

The papers were in the elevator and not in the filing clerk's possession at 5:01.

5:01 文件在电梯里，而不是在档案管理员手中。

Maybe you've seen stories about how Republican fingerprints are all over Kanye West's nebulous presidential campaign.

也许你已经看过关于坎耶·维斯特模糊的总统竞选活动中共和党的足迹的故事。

There was no attempt to hide them in Wisconsin.

没有人试图将他们隐藏在威斯康星州。

The company that hired the canvassers, who got West's signatures, it's reportedly run by a Republican operative.

据报道，雇用这些游说者并得到韦斯特签名的公司由一名共和党特工经营。

It did the same thing for him in Ohio, West Virginia, Arkansas.

在俄亥俄州、西弗吉尼亚州、阿肯色州，这对他也起到了同样的作用。

Lane Ruhland, the lawyer who dropped off his petitions in Wisconsin, she used to work for former Republican governor Scott Walker and the Republican Party of Wisconsin.

莱恩·鲁兰(Lane Ruhland)是在威斯康星州递交请愿书的律师，她曾为前共和党州长斯科特·沃克(Scott Walker)和威斯康星州共和党工作。

She recently represented the Trump campaign in a lawsuit.

她最近代表特朗普竞选团队参加了一场诉讼。

When the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel dug into who was listed on West's paperwork, it found one Republican activist and operative after another.

当《密尔沃基哨兵报》深入调查韦斯特文件上的名单时，发现了一位又一位共和党活动家和特工。

Black officials in Milwaukee have accused Republicans of helping West's candidacy as a cynical and insulting attempt to divert Black voters away from Joe Biden to aid Donald Trump.

密尔沃基的黑人官员指责共和党人帮助韦斯特获得候选资格，这是一种愤世嫉俗和侮辱性的企图，目的是转移黑人选民对乔·拜登的支持，转而支持唐纳德·特朗普。

Wisconsin Republicans haven't admitted that.

威斯康星州共和党人尚未承认这一点。

They've also conspicuously not denied it.

他们也显然没有否认这一点。

Asked about the Republican attorney who submitted West's paperwork, a GOP spokeswoman told the newspaper, quote, "it appears that Kanye West made a smart decision by hiring an experienced election attorney."

当被问及提交韦斯特文件的共和党律师时，一位共和党发言人告诉该报，“看来坎耶·韦斯特通过聘请一位经验丰富的选举律师做出了明智的决定。”

Back to the meeting.

回到会议。

The attorney trying to knock West off the ballot goes through several other problems with West's petitions, and then it's time for the 10 minute response from the West campaign.

试图将韦斯特从选票中剔除的律师遇到了韦斯特请愿书的其他几个问题，然后是韦斯特竞选团队进行 10 分钟回应的时候了。

All right, thank you.

好的，谢谢。

Good afternoon, Madam Chair, Elections Commission staff, and opposing counsel.

主席女士、选举委员会工作人员和反对方律师，下午好。

Representing the West campaign is not the lawyer who filed the petitions, but a lawyer named Michael Curran.

代表西方阵营的不是提交请愿书的律师，而是一位名叫迈克尔·柯兰的律师。

He looks unnervingly like billionaire Mark Cuban, and he appears unfortunately backlit, his face shaded and kind of hard to see.

他看起来像亿万富翁马克·库班，令人不安，而且不幸的是，他看起来是背光的，他的脸被遮住了，有点难以看清。

When he gets started, Attorney Curran makes what I suppose is the argument that he has to make, that walking in 14 seconds past the 5 o'clock deadline, that's not actually late.

当他开始时，柯兰律师提出了我认为他必须提出的论点，即在 5 点截止时间后 14 秒内步行，实际上并不算晚。

When we're talking about time periods, no later than includes the time frame and the reference that were used.

当我们谈论时间段时，最迟包括时间范围和所使用的参考。

For example, "no later than Tuesday" does not mean prior to Tuesday.

例如，“不晚于星期二”并不意味着在星期二之前。

"No later than Tuesday" means all of Tuesday.

“不晚于星期二”是指整个星期二。

And to make 5:00 PM, quote, unquote, "late," the proper language would be "before 5:00 PM" or "prior to 5:00 PM" or "not later than 4:59 PM." But "no later than 5:00 PM" does include the full minute.

要表示 5:00 PM，引用或取消引用“迟到”，正确的语言应为“下午 5:00 之前”或“下午 5:00 之前”或“不迟于下午 4:59”。但“不迟于下午 5:00”确实包括整分钟。

The question the West lawyer is posing, is 5 o'clock a point in time, or is 5 o'clock all the space between 4:59 and 5:01?

West律师提出的问题是，5点是一个时间点，还是5点是4:59到5:01之间的所有时间点？

It's not actually such a bad question.

这实际上并不是一个糟糕的问题。

Like.

喜欢。

April 15 is the tax deadline.

4月15日是报税截止日。

You get all day on the 15th to file, right?

15 号你有一整天的时间来提交文件，对吗？

The next plot twist happens when the first Republican takes his turn asking questions of the two lawyers.

下一个情节转折发生在第一位共和党人轮流向两位律师提问时。

That's a Republican named Dean Knudson.

那是一位名叫迪恩·克努森的共和党人。

He's a former state lawmaker.

他是前州议员。

He's a veterinarian.

他是一名兽医。

Knudson's sitting in front of this folksy painting that makes it feel like he might be in the waiting room of his veterinary practice, and he's noticeably skeptical of the West campaign's attorney.

克努森坐在这幅民俗画前，让人感觉他好像在兽医诊所的候诊室里，而且他明显对西方竞选团队的律师持怀疑态度。

5 o'clock is 5 o'clock.

5点就是5点。

So I understand you're trying to make an argument that 5 o'clock is 5:01, but it just seems to me that everything that starts with a 4 is before 5 o'clock, and 5 o'clock's the deadline.

所以我理解你试图提出一个论点，即 5 点钟是 5:01，但在我看来，所有以 4 开头的东西都在 5 点钟之前，而 5 点钟是截止日期。

Maybe I'm just common sense and not a lawyer, but that's the way it seems.

也许我只是常识而不是律师，但看起来就是这样。

Attorney Curran, if you set a timer on your phone to go off at 5 o'clock, when would it go off?

Curran 律师，如果您在手机上设置一个定时器在 5 点钟响铃，那么它什么时候响铃？

It should go off at 5 o'clock sharp, as soon as the clock turned to 5:00.

时钟一转到 5:00，它就会在 5 点整响起。

Yes.

是的。

Dean Knudson So if we had set a timer to go off at 5:00, would the papers have been in on time or not?

Dean Knudson 那么，如果我们将计时器设置为 5:00，报纸会按时送达吗？

Well, the first response would be, that's for the filing officer to determine.

嗯，第一反应是，这由备案官员决定。

But to answer your question directly--

但直接回答你的问题——

But if Knudson doesn't seem to be toeing the party line, the next Republican commissioner to ask questions, he seems more than ready to do the opposite.

但如果克努森似乎不遵守党派路线，作为下一位提出问题的共和党委员，他似乎已经准备好做相反的事情了。

OK, thank you.

好的，谢谢。

Ben Calhoun On camera, Commissioner Robert Spindell.

本·卡尔霍恩 镜头前是罗伯特·斯宾德尔专员。

He looks like he's being held captive in a supply room somewhere.

他看起来像是被囚禁在某处的补给室里。

He's against this white wall that has nothing on it.

他靠着这堵白墙，上面什么也没有。

Pretty quickly, he goes really big on the West campaign's argument that 5 o'clock means you have right up until 5:01.

很快，他就对西方竞选团队的论点进行了大肆宣扬，即 5 点钟意味着你还有 5 点零 1 分之前的时间。

On your point about, is 5 o'clock 5 o'clock, I did a lot of time trying to plan something, and there's no real definitive action.

关于你的观点，是5点5点，我花了很多时间试图计划一些事情，但没有真正明确的行动。

Over the next few minutes, Spindell makes a number of creative arguments, trying to help the Kanye West lawyer.

在接下来的几分钟里，斯宾德尔提出了一些创造性的论点，试图帮助坎耶·韦斯特律师。

Like he says, since the petitions entered the building at 5 o'clock and 14 seconds, well, 14 seconds is less than half a minute, so that really rounds back down to 5:00 PM sharp, right?

就像他说的，既然请愿书是在 5 点 14 秒进入大楼的，好吧，14 秒不到半分钟，所以真的可以倒回到下午 5:00 整，对吧？

I mean, that's just simply math in rounding type errors.

我的意思是，这只是舍入类型错误的简单数学计算。

Spindell also questions whether the West campaign team actually had to turn in the petitions in order for the petitions to be turned in.

斯宾德尔还质疑韦斯特竞选团队是否真的必须提交请愿书才能上交请愿书。

And as I understand, she and her assistant got on the elevator with a staff person, just the three of them.

据我了解，她和她的助理带着一名工作人员上了电梯，就他们三个人。

Would you not consider that that could be transfer of documents at that time?

您当时不认为这可以是文件转让吗？

That once the door closed to the elevator--

电梯门一关上——

To be clear, Spindell is contending that being in the elevator with a staff member and not handing the staff member the documents is the same as being in the office and physically turning them in.

需要明确的是，斯宾德尔认为，与工作人员一起在电梯里而不向工作人员递出文件与在办公室亲自上交文件是一样的。

Can I say, there's something about how the action of all this plays out on Zoom, with all the normal Zoomy interruptions.

我可以说，所有这一切的动作是如何在 Zoom 上进行的，以及所有正常的 Zoomy 中断。

It feels intimate.

感觉很亲密。

One commissioner keeps dropping off the call.

一位专员不断地挂断电话。

At one point, there's a cat butt that pops into a frame next to a commissioner asking questions.

有一次，一只猫的屁股突然跳进了一位委员旁边的框架中，正在询问问题。

And also, when people go at each other, it feels more personal somehow, because you just see them, and they're in their homes.

而且，当人们互相攻击时，感觉更加个人化，因为你只是看到他们，而他们就在自己的家里。

Like Ann Jacobs, the chair-- a few times, she gets into it with Spindell.

就像安·雅各布斯一样，有几次，她和斯平德尔一起坐上了椅子。

And you see her in what I think is her living room.

你在我认为是她的客厅里看到了她。

She's wearing pearls, and she's sitting in front of a fireplace and what looks like a silver tea set.

她戴着珍珠项链，坐在壁炉前，面前摆着一套看起来像银质茶具的东西。

So it's way less like a debate in some random government building or whatever, and more like family members getting in a fight on the phone or something.

因此，这不像是在某个随机的政府大楼或其他地方进行的辩论，而更像是家庭成员在电话中吵架或其他什么。

I'd like to make a friendly amendment.

我想做一个友好的修正。

Can I do that?

我可以这样做吗？

You don't have to take it, obviously, but I'd like to make a friendly motion that we substitute the motion that we already passed.

显然，你不必接受它，但我想提出一项友好动议，要求我们替换我们已经通过的动议。

Just wait a minute, Bob!

等一下，鲍勃！

Robert Spindell I thought you said I could.

罗伯特·斯平德尔 我以为你说我可以。

I'm sorry.

对不起。

Just wait.

等等。

Ben Calhoun But I still haven't gotten to the most memorable parts of Spindell's speechifying.

本·卡尔霍恩：但是我还没有讲到斯平德尔演讲中最令人难忘的部分。

They started when he talked about COVID.

当他谈到新冠病毒时，他们就开始了。

Curran, would you agree that the pandemic has made life and everything else much harder?

柯兰，你是否同意这种流行病让生活和其他一切变得更加困难？

Yes.

是的。

Robert Spindell In a situation like this, where the pandemic makes things harder, and where everything else is-- there's great efforts in the election process to try and make the procedure easier for all voters, then would you agree that we should try and make it a little bit easier--

罗伯特·斯宾德尔（Robert Spindell）在这样的情况下，大流行使事情变得更加困难，而其他一切都在选举过程中做出了巨大努力，试图让所有选民的程序变得更容易，那么你是否同意我们应该尝试让事情变得更容易一点——

Spindell's essentially making an argument that democracy takes more time during a pandemic, and so people should get more time to do things.

斯平德尔本质上是在论证民主在大流行期间需要更多时间，因此人们应该有更多时间做事。

Which, let's just pause Spindell for a second here, because the Wisconsin GOP has systematically staked out positions to do the opposite.

让我们在这里暂停斯平德尔一秒钟，因为威斯康星州共和党已经系统地表明立场要做相反的事情。

This year, Wisconsin conservatives have fought the idea of giving more time for early voting and absentee voting.

今年，威斯康星州保守派一直反对为提前投票和缺席投票提供更多时间的想法。

In April, Republicans also made it very clear that they opposed postponing an election due to COVID, including Robert Spindell, who said COVID was no reason to postpone an election.

今年4月，共和党人也明确表示反对因新冠疫情推迟选举，其中包括罗伯特·斯宾德尔，他表示新冠疫情不是推迟选举的理由。

Still, Spindell had one more argument.

尽管如此，斯宾德尔还有一个论点。

Wisconsin Democrats, which is the people that are bringing this challenge-- my question is, when are they gonna stop suppressing the Black vote?

威斯康星州民主党人，也就是提出这一挑战的人——我的问题是，他们什么时候才能停止压制黑人投票？

Here, they wish to take away from the Black population an opportunity to take a Black presidential candidate off the ballot and have a choice in terms of who they want to vote for.

在这里，他们希望剥夺黑人人口的机会，将黑人总统候选人从选票上剔除，并可以选择他们想要投票给谁。

You know, what's next, in terms of trying to suppress the Black choice?

你知道，接下来要做什么，试图压制黑人的选择吗？

This is where the meeting truly bent my mind, as if it would make sense for Democrats to suppress Black voters.

这就是这次会议真正改变我想法的地方，好像民主党压制黑人选民是有道理的。

Nationally, 87% of them identify as Democrats.

在全国范围内，87% 的人认为自己是民主党人。

I couldn't help but think, watching this, that here we are in the throes of this seismic election cycle, one in which lots of people on both sides argue that the people on the other side, they're out to destroy the country.

看到这一幕，我忍不住想，我们正处于这个地震性选举周期的阵痛之中，双方都有很多人认为另一方的人民正在摧毁这个国家。

It feels huge.

感觉很大。

It's weird to think that the legitimacy of the election process over the coming weeks will hinge on what happens in so many rooms like this, on tiny screens like this, with public servants and volunteers, and campaign workers who will be wrestling over rules, and deadlines, and signatures, and postmarks.

未来几周选举过程的合法性将取决于在如此多的房间里，在这样的小屏幕上，公务员和志愿者以及竞选工作人员将在规则、截止日期、签名和邮戳上争论不休，这种想法很奇怪。

This video, it's actually kind of a sneak preview.

这个视频，实际上是一种预览。

And honestly, I think we'll be lucky if it looks like this meeting.

老实说，我认为如果这次会议看起来像这样，我们就很幸运了。

Absurd as it got at times, I respect this so much.

尽管有时很荒谬，但我非常尊重这一点。

These commissioners are paid a little over $100 a meeting.

这些委员每次会议的报酬略高于 100 美元。

They have to read hundreds of pages of documents to prepare for this.

他们必须阅读数百页的文件来为此做好准备。

And they went around, and around, and around, splitting this 14 second hair every which way.

他们绕来绕去，把这 14 秒的头发从各个方向分开。

For the vast majority of the time, people were thoughtful, and they were willing to step across party lines, if that's what they had to do to get to what they thought was fair.

在绝大多数时候，人们都是深思熟虑的，他们愿意跨越党派界限，如果这是他们必须做的事情才能实现他们认为公平的事情。

Mostly, they seemed like they were trying to do what was right.

大多数情况下，他们似乎正在努力做正确的事。

And in the end, a very simple argument won out.

最终，一个非常简单的争论获胜了。

There was precedent, lots of it.

有先例，而且很多。

Many people had missed deadlines in the past, and whether by a lot or a little, they just couldn't accept it.

过去很多人都曾错过最后期限，无论是多还是少，他们都无法接受。

I vote, aye, the motion is carried five to one.

我投票，是的，该动议以五比一获得通过。

And just like that, Kanye West was off the Wisconsin ballot.

就这样，坎耶·韦斯特退出了威斯康星州的选票。

The remainder of this video is worth mentioning.

该视频的其余部分值得一提。

If you'll just give me one more minute here, I'll sum it up for you.

如果您再给我一分钟，我会为您总结一下。

While Kanye West's campaign made the headlines the next day, the Wisconsin Elections Commission also made another decision that night, one with the power to affect the outcome of the presidential race.

虽然坎耶·韦斯特的竞选活动第二天成为头条新闻，但威斯康星州选举委员会当晚还做出了另一项决定，该决定有权影响总统竞选的结果。

Also on the agenda that evening was a challenge seeking to bump the Green Party candidates off the ballot on something that's really pretty technical.

那天晚上的议程上还有一项挑战，旨在通过一些非常技术性的事情将绿党候选人从选票中剔除。

See, during Wisconsin's signature collection period, the VP candidate for the Green Party seems to have moved.

你看，在威斯康星州征签名期间，绿党的副总统候选人似乎有所动静。

So her address at the beginning, it doesn't match her paperwork at the end.

所以她开头的地址与她最后的文件不符。

Republicans were like, that's nit-picky BS.

共和党人说，这是吹毛求疵的废话。

But the Democrats wouldn't budge.

但民主党不肯让步。

And the end result?

最终的结果呢？

The Green Party was gone, just like West, removed from the ballot.

绿党消失了，就像韦斯特一样，被从选票中除名。

And you don't have to look far to see the enormous stakes of that decision.

你不用看得太远就能看到这个决定的巨大风险。

You remember how in 2016, Donald Trump won Wisconsin by 23,000 votes.

您还记得 2016 年，唐纳德·特朗普 (Donald Trump) 以 23,000 票赢得威斯康星州。

That year, the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein, she got 31,000 votes in Wisconsin.

那一年，绿党候选人吉尔·斯坦在威斯康星州获得了 31,000 票。

Ben Calhoun is one of the producers of our show.

本·卡尔霍恩是我们节目的制片人之一。

After this meeting, the Kanye West Campaign and the Green Party candidates both sued the Wisconsin Elections Commission trying to get on the ballot.

这次会议之后，坎耶·韦斯特竞选团队和绿党候选人都起诉了威斯康星州选举委员会，试图参与投票。

The Green Party went to the State Supreme Court and lost-- so no Green Party.

绿党向州最高法院提起诉讼，但败诉了——所以没有绿党。

In the Kanye West campaign's lawsuit, a judge also ruled no. Judge John Zakowski gave the final word on this debate over the meaning of time in the written decision, quote, "The court believes at the time a grandfather clock rings out 5 times is the moment it is 5 p.m.

在坎耶·韦斯特竞选团队的诉讼中，法官也做出了否决。法官约翰·扎科斯基 (John Zakowski) 在书面判决中就这场关于时间含义的争论做出了最终决定，引用如下：“法院认为，落地钟敲响 5 声的时刻就是下午 5 点。

The court used the analogy of midnight.

法庭使用了午夜的比喻。

There is significant difference between 11:59:59 p.m.

晚上 11:59:59 之间存在显着差异。

and one second after midnight.

午夜过后一秒。

The passage of a second after midnight confers an entirely new day." In other words, quote: "The court finds that, basically, 5 o'clock is 5 o'clock."

午夜过后的一秒意味着全新的一天。”换句话说，引用：“法院认为，基本上，5 点钟就是 5 点钟。”

Act Three-- Many a Thing She Ought to Understand.

第三幕——很多事情她应该理解。

One of our producers, Diane Wu, spent most of her life thinking that she did not have a unique and personal take on the film The Sound of Music.

我们的制片人之一吴黛安 (Diane Wu) 一生大部分时间都认为自己对电影《音乐之声》没有独特的个人看法。

The Sound of Music-- after all, everybody loves it.

音乐之声——毕竟，每个人都喜欢它。

What's there to say?

有什么可说的？

And then she learned, no, her take is very different.

然后她意识到，不，她的看法非常不同。

I watched The Sound of Music all the time as a kid.

我小时候一直看音乐之声。

It was one of maybe six VHS tapes we had at home, along with Bambi and 101 Dalmatians.

这是我们家里大概有六盘 VHS 录像带之一，另外两盘还有《小鹿斑比》和《101 斑点狗》。

And a few years ago, I was talking with a friend about how much I loved the movie growing up.

几年前，我和一位朋友谈论我在成长过程中是多么喜欢这部电影。

And he said, "Me too, though the Nazis scared me." And I said, "What Nazis?"

他说：“我也是，尽管纳粹吓到了我。”我说：“什么纳粹？”

And that's when I learned I'd never seen the second half of the film.

就在那时我才知道我从未看过电影的后半部分。

It turns out, the movie came out in a two VHS box set.

事实证明，这部电影以两套 VHS 盒装形式发行。

And I, for some reason, had only ever seen the first tape.

而我，出于某种原因，只看过第一盘磁带。

My dad doesn't remember a second tape, either.

我爸爸也不记得第二盘磁带了。

And why would you need one?

为什么你需要一个？

The first half makes perfect sense on its own.

前半部分本身就很有意义。

Here's the plot.

这是情节。

It's a movie about a woman named Maria, who is sent to the countryside to babysit a giant family of children with a mean dad, the von Trapps.

这是一部关于一个名叫玛丽亚的女人的故事，她被派到乡下照顾一个大家庭的孩子，她的父亲冯·特拉普一家很刻薄。

Maria shows up, bubbly, fun, and teaches them to sing, and play, and be kids, all against the wishes of their father.

玛丽亚出现了，活泼、有趣，并教他们唱歌、玩耍、做孩子，这一切都违背了他们父亲的意愿。

But the singing wins him over.

但歌声赢得了他的心。

They sing together as a family.

他们一家人一起唱歌。

And finally, at a party, the kids sing a beautiful song for the guests.

最后，在聚会上，孩子们为客人唱一首优美的歌曲。

Farewell.

告别。

And after that, Maria, having successfully fixed the family, leaves, just like Mary Poppins did when she fixed that family.

之后，玛丽亚在成功地修复了这个家庭后离开了，就像玛丽·波平斯修复这个家庭时所做的那样。

And that's the end of the movie.

这就是电影的结尾。

I had very clear, fond memories of the goatherd puppet show, and the scene in the gazebo where Liesl, the oldest daughter, secretly met with the mailman she was in love with.

我对牧羊人木偶戏有着非常清晰、美好的回忆，还有在凉亭里大女儿莉赛尔秘密会见她所爱的邮递员的场景。

And they sang and danced, and it was so romantic.

他们又唱又跳，真是浪漫极了。

I had no further questions about any of the characters.

我对任何角色都没有进一步的疑问。

So when I learned that there were 70 more minutes to the film, I didn't bother going to look for them.

所以当我得知电影还有70分钟时，我就懒得去找了。

The Sound of Music was a full, complete, and wonderful artifact from my childhood.

《音乐之声》是我童年时期的一部完整、完整、美妙的作品。

I didn't want to taint it with Nazis.

我不想让纳粹玷污它。

But when my co-worker Lina, who's producing this week's show and is a musical theater fan, which I most definitely am not-- when she found out I still hadn't seen the whole thing, it seemed heretical to her.

但是，当我的同事莉娜（制作本周节目的人）是音乐剧迷（我绝对不是）时，当她发现我还没有看完整个节目时，这对她来说似乎是异端。

She couldn't let it stand.

她不能让它这样下去。

So we watched it together over the internet one Sunday afternoon, and I prepared to have a childhood memory either slightly enhanced or completely ruined.

于是，一个周日的下午，我们一起在网上观看了这部电影，我准备好让一段童年记忆要么稍微增强，要么彻底毁掉。

Before we started, she had me predict what was gonna be in the second half.

在我们开始之前，她让我预测下半场会发生什么。

I want-- and this is based on my childhood memory and just what I would like to see, is the second half is just focused on my favorite two characters, Liesl and the hot mailman.

我想要——这是基于我童年的记忆，而我想看到的是，后半部分只集中在我最喜欢的两个角色上，莉赛尔和性感的邮递员。

I want to see their courtship, and then they get married, and that's the end of the movie.

我想看到他们求爱，然后他们结婚，这就是电影的结尾。

We hit play and started at the very beginning, started with the part I know.

我们开始玩，从一开始，从我知道的部分开始。

And the first half was more or less the simple, sunny movie I remembered.

前半部分或多或少是我记忆中的一部简单、阳光的电影。

Seeing the kindly and dour nuns come on screen early on was like recognizing teachers I had in elementary school.

很早就看到屏幕上出现的和蔼可亲又阴郁的修女就像认识了我小学时的老师一样。

Reverend Mother.

尊敬的母亲。

Reverend Mother Sister Bernice.

伯妮斯圣母修女牧师。

I simply cannot find her.

我就是找不到她。

Reverend Mother Maria?

玛丽亚圣母？

There is that gazebo scene, when the mailman and Liesl sing to each other.

有一个凉亭场景，邮递员和莉赛尔互相唱歌。

(SINGING) I am 16, going on 17.

（唱）我今年 16 岁，马上就要 17 岁了。

I know that I'm naive.

我知道我很天真。

Oh my god, this still looks like so much fun.

天哪，这看起来还是很有趣。

Watching now, though, I saw a lot of things that I had completely missed as a kid.

但现在看，我看到了很多我小时候完全错过的东西。

Because as a child, I had apparently ignored anything that adults who were not Maria said to each other.

因为作为一个孩子，我显然忽略了除了玛丽亚之外的成年人互相说的任何话。

Literally none of that dialogue registered.

事实上，这些对话都没有被记录下来。

It was like the mumbly grown-ups in Charlie Brown.

就像《查理·布朗》中那些闷闷不乐的大人一样。

My kid self had edited full characters out of the film.

我的孩子自己已经从电影中剪辑出了完整的角色。

I barely remembered the baroness, who wants to marry the dad.

我几乎不记得那位想嫁给父亲的男爵夫人。

This really is exciting for me, Georg, being here with you.

乔治，能和你在一起，这对我来说真的很令人兴奋。

Oh, trees, lakes, mountains.

哦，树木，湖泊，山脉。

When you've seen one, you've seen them all.

当您看到其中一个时，您就已经看到了全部。

That is not what I mean, and you know it.

我不是这个意思，你也知道。

So any of their plot lines that were not resolved in the first half, moot.

因此，他们在上半场没有解决的任何情节都毫无意义。

I also missed, of course, how Maria and the dad supposedly fall in love.

当然，我也怀念玛丽亚和父亲据说是如何坠入爱河的。

The dad, by the way, was even meaner than I remembered, just cruel to Maria.

顺便说一句，父亲比我记忆中还要刻薄，对玛丽亚很残酷。

Turn.

转动。

Hat off.

脱帽。

It's the dress.

就是这件衣服。

You'll have to put on another one before you meet the children.

在见到孩子们之前，你必须再穿上一件。

Because of that, I still had a lot of trouble squaring the idea that anything between the two of them was remotely romantic.

正因为如此，我仍然很难确定他们两个之间的一切都是浪漫的。

But that's not true.

但事实并非如此。

Diane Wu Oh, they really spell it out.

吴黛安哦，他们真的拼出来了。

Surely you've noticed the way he looks into your eyes.

你肯定注意到他看你眼睛的方式。

And you know, you blushed in his arms when you were dancing just now.

而且你知道吗，刚才跳舞的时候你在他怀里脸都红了。

The one romance that still sparkled was between Liesl and the mailman.

莉赛尔和邮递员之间的爱情仍然闪闪发光。

Though, watching again, I have to say, the mailman was not as cute as I remembered.

不过，再看一遍，我不得不说，邮递员并不像我记忆中那么可爱。

It's the mailman!

是邮递员！

Oh, he kind of looks like a Nazi.

哦，他看起来有点像纳粹。

Rolfe, the mailman, comes back later in the first half to throw rocks on Liesl's window.

上半场晚些时候，邮递员罗尔夫回来向莉赛尔的窗户扔石头。

That moment I remember.

那一刻我记得。

Again, so dreamy.

再次，如此梦幻。

But the one that followed was completely over my head as a kid.

但接下来发生的事情完全超出了我小时候的想象。

I didn't see.

我没看到。

I mean, I didn't know you were-- Heil Hitler!

我的意思是，我不知道你是——希特勒万岁！

Oh, heil Hitler?

哦，希特勒万岁？

Diane Wu Yeah, "Heil Hitler." The hero of my version of The Sound of Music, who I'd hoped the second half would center around, he was the Nazi.

吴黛安 是的，《希特勒万岁》。我版本的《音乐之声》中的英雄，我希望后半部分以他为中心，他是纳粹。

Also, not the mailman.

另外，不是邮递员。

Yes, he was wearing a uniform and delivering messages, but he was not employed by the postal service, as my child self had understood.

是的，他穿着制服并传递信息，但正如我小时候所理解的那样，他并不是受雇于邮政部门。

He was some kind of military messenger.

他是某种军事信使。

The first half is peppered with a few more hints like this, that things are gonna take a turn, historically, in the second half of the movie.

前半部分充满了一些这样的暗示，从历史上看，事情将在电影的后半部分发生转变。

Uneasy talk about Austrian flags and something called an Anschluss, but all against the backdrop of a glamorous party.

人们不安地谈论奥地利国旗和所谓的德奥合并，但所有这些都是在一个迷人的政党的背景下进行的。

They're kind of easy to miss, if you're seven.

如果你七岁，很容易错过它们。

The last thing I missed as a kid?

我小时候最想念的一件事是什么？

The big title card that says intermission in yellow script, that comes onscreen after Maria closes the door.

玛丽亚关上门后，屏幕上出现了一张用黄色字体写着中场休息的大标题卡。

Maybe it was on the second VHS.

也许是在第二个 VHS 上。

Lina and I fast forward through the music at intermission, and the second half starts.

莉娜和我在中场休息时随着音乐快进，下半场开始。

This is like a second movie for you.

这对你来说就像是第二部电影。

This is really weird, you haven't seen any of this.

这真的很奇怪，你没有见过这些。

Five, six, seven-- Diane Wu Except as the second half starts, I suddenly feel like I have seen all of this.

五、六、七——Diane Wu 除了下半场开始，我突然感觉这一切我都看到了。

Watching the children play ball in their backyard felt strangely familiar.

看着孩子们在后院打球，感觉有一种奇怪的熟悉感。

I'd spent so much time already with the von Trapps at their home that this new scene just felt like part of my memories.

我已经在冯·特拉普夫妇的家中度过了很长时间，这个新场景感觉就像是我记忆的一部分。

This confusing deja vu sticks with me all the way through the scenes of Maria back at the abbey.

这种令人困惑的似曾相识的感觉一直伴随着我，贯穿了玛丽亚回到修道院的场景。

It's not until the dad goes to meet Maria at the gazebo and declare his love for her that I am certain I have never seen this before.

直到父亲去凉亭见到玛丽亚并向她表达他的爱时，我才确信我以前从未见过这种情况。

Do you know when I first started loving you?

你知道我什么时候开始爱你的吗？

That night at the dinner table when you sat on that ridiculous pine cone.

那天晚上，在餐桌上，当你坐在那个可笑的松果上时。

What?

什么？

I knew the first time you blew that silly whistle.

我知道你第一次吹那个愚蠢的口哨的时候。

This is so gross.

这太恶心了。

Diane Wu They basically just stared at each other three times, and now Maria was letting this horrible man marry her?

吴黛安 他们基本上只是互相看了三眼，现在玛丽亚却让这个可怕的男人嫁给她？

I could not believe it.

我简直不敢相信。

Just as I'm settling into the newness of the second half, gawking at Maria's wedding dress, everything in the movie shifts.

正当我沉浸在后半部分的新鲜感中，呆呆地看着玛丽亚的婚纱时，电影中的一切都发生了变化。

The Nazis roll into town.

纳粹分子进城。

It's incredibly abrupt, a cut from literal wedding bells to a bell tolling over a giant swastika flag on the town square.

这是令人难以置信的突然，从真正的婚礼钟声切换到城镇广场上一面巨大的纳粹标志旗上敲响的钟声。

Lines of soldiers march across the plaza ominously.

一排排士兵不祥地穿过广场。

The colors seem to drain out of the movie.

电影中的色彩似乎消失了。

The children show up next in drab brown clothes against the stony backdrop, instead of their perky curtain outfits from the first half.

接下来，孩子们在石头背景下穿着土褐色的衣服，而不是上半场活泼的窗帘服装。

The characters, meanwhile, are dealing with their own whiplash.

与此同时，角色们正在应对自己的鞭打。

Rolfe surprises Liesl as she's getting into a car.

当莉赛尔上车时，罗尔夫让她大吃一惊。

I'm basically as excited to see Rolfe as Liesl is right here, because maybe this is when we get to the version of the second half I'd been wanting to see, Rolfe and Liesl's courtship.

基本上，我很高兴见到罗尔夫，就像莉丝尔就在这里一样，因为也许这是我们到达我一直想看到的下半场版本的时候，罗尔夫和莉丝尔的求爱。

Rolfe, I'm so glad to see you.

罗尔夫，很高兴见到你。

It's been such--

事情是这样的——

Good afternoon.

下午好。

You will take this, please, and deliver it to your father as soon as he comes home.

请你拿着这个，等你父亲一回家就把它交给他。

Ouch, Rolfe.

哎呀，罗尔夫。

He's standing in front of a Nazi flag.

他站在纳粹旗帜前。

Liesl is clearly disoriented, but still hopeful as she holds the telegram and coyly asks--

莉赛尔明显迷失了方向，但仍然充满希望，她拿着电报，腼腆地问道——

Don't you want to come over tonight and deliver it yourself?

你不想今晚过来亲自送吗？

I am now occupied with more important matters.

我现在正忙着更重要的事情。

And your father better be, too, if he knows what's good for him.

如果你的父亲知道什么对他有好处，他也最好这样做。

But, Rolfe-- Diane Wu Oh, Liesl, you chose a bad one.

但是，Rolfe--Diane Wu 噢，Liesl，你选错了。

This was the only relationship in the movie that interested me at all as a child.

这是电影中唯一让我小时候感兴趣的关系。

And it's sobering to see the whole realistic arc of it.

看到它的整个现实弧线是发人深省的。

As for the rest of the second half, it's predictable.

至于下半场剩下的时间，也是可以预见的。

You know their first escape isn't gonna work out.

你知道他们的第一次逃跑不会成功。

It's obvious they'll win the singing contest.

很明显他们会赢得歌唱比赛。

Great songs from the first half are just recycled, in a weird way.

前半部分的好歌曲只是以一种奇怪的方式被循环利用。

The one moment that moves me, though, doesn't have anything to do with the characters I was attached to from the first half.

然而，令我感动的那一刻与我在前半部分所喜欢的角色没有任何关系。

It happens, surprisingly, when the dad starts singing a love song to his country on stage.

令人惊讶的是，当父亲开始在舞台上唱一首献给祖国的情歌时，事情就发生了。

(SINGING) Edelweiss, Edelweiss, every morning you greet me.

（唱歌）雪绒花，雪绒花，每天早上你都会跟我打招呼。

He's doing it as an act of gentle defiance that makes the Nazi official's mustache twitch.

他这样做是一种温和的反抗行为，这让纳粹官员的胡子抽搐起来。

And as the crowd joins in with him, I feel my throat catch a little.

当人群加入他的行列时，我感觉我的喉咙有点卡住。

They remind me of people all around the world this summer, in Hong Kong, Beirut, Belarus, here in America, who are longing to hold onto something as their own countries change, rapidly, excruciatingly around them.

它们让我想起今年夏天世界各地的人们，在香港、贝鲁特、白俄罗斯，在美国，当他们自己的国家发生迅速而痛苦的变化时，他们渴望抓住一些东西。

(SINGING) Edelweiss, Edelweiss, bless my homeland forever.

（唱）雪绒花，雪绒花，永远保佑我的祖国。

The darkest moment of the movie is perhaps at the very end, when the family has almost escaped, but then Rolfe finds them in the abbey.

电影最黑暗的时刻也许是在最后，一家人几乎逃跑了，但随后罗尔夫在修道院里找到了他们。

He raises a whistle to turn them in, but the dad stops and reasons with him.

他吹响口哨想要把他们交出来，但爸爸停下来和他讲道理。

Stay where you are.

呆在原地。

Georg Come away with us, before it's too late.

格奥尔格 趁一切还来得及之前，跟我们走吧。

Rolfe looks scared and boyish.

罗尔夫看起来很害怕，而且很孩子气。

He relinquishes his gun and leans over, relieved.

他放下枪，倾身过去，如释重负。

But then the dad takes it one step too far.

但随后父亲就走得太远了。

Lieutenant!

中尉！

Lieutenant, they're here!

中尉，他们来了！

They're here, Lieutenant!

他们来了，中尉！

Rolfe chooses to betray them.

罗尔夫选择背叛他们。

It's such a sinister and dissonant scene held up against the cotton candy first half.

这是一个与棉花糖前半场相比如此险恶和不和谐的场景。

The family still makes it out in time, but in spite of him, not with his help.

家人还是及时逃了出来，但尽管有他，也没有他的帮助。

And that's the actual end of the movie, as far as I know today.

据我今天所知，这就是电影的真正结局。

So here's my conclusion, having seen it all.

看完这一切后，这是我的结论。

You don't need the second half.

下半场就不需要了

It's actually better without it.

实际上没有它更好。

The second half just takes one of my kid self's favorite characters, Rolfe, and makes him a villain, then takes the worst character, the dad, and makes him a hero.

后半部分只是选择了我孩子最喜欢的角色之一，罗尔夫，让他成为一个恶棍，然后选择了最糟糕的角色，父亲，并让他成为英雄。

There are barely any new songs.

几乎没有什么新歌。

Maria disappears as a person.

玛丽亚作为一个人消失了。

Liesl just looks uncomfortable the whole time, trying to act like a child for another hour.

莉丝尔一直看起来很不舒服，试图在接下来的一个小时里表现得像个孩子。

Everything memorable and iconic about the movie-- My Favorite Things, the kids singing good night, "Doe, a deer"-- that all happens in the first half.

这部电影中所有令人难忘和标志性的事情——我最喜欢的事情、孩子们唱晚安、“母鹿，一只鹿”——都发生在上半场。

But then I was at the beach this weekend with a friend, staring at the clouds and the kids throwing sand.

但这个周末我和一个朋友在海滩上，盯着云朵和孩子们扔沙子。

And he said a thing that changed my feeling about the second half.

他说了一句话改变了我对下半场的感觉。

He told me that, lately, he can last about three minutes feeling like everything is normal before he remembers it isn't.

他告诉我，最近，他可以持续大约三分钟，感觉一切都很正常，然后他才想起事实并非如此。

It made me understand the urge to include the dark end of this story in the movie about the singing family.

这让我理解了将这个故事的黑暗结局纳入到关于歌唱家庭的电影中的冲动。

Because once everything in the world has changed, you can't really will it to stay outside the frame.

因为一旦世界上的一切都改变了，你就无法真正让它留在框架之外。

Diane Wu is one of the producers of our show.

吴黛安是我们节目的制作人之一。

Her mom, by the way, swears Diane saw the second half of the film as a child, even if Diane doesn't remember it.

顺便说一句，她妈妈发誓黛安小时候看过电影的后半部分，即使黛安不记得了。

Act Four-- The Kid Namastes in the Picture.

第四幕——图中的孩子合十礼。

So our show today is about people who watch a film and then have their own very particular take on it.

所以我们今天的节目是关于人们观看一部电影然后对这部电影有自己独特的看法的。

And not long ago, I learned about somebody like that.

不久前，我了解到这样一个人。

Here she is in Harry Potter glasses and a onesie with a Gryffindor crest on it, giving her version of the first Harry Potter film.

这张照片中，她戴着哈利·波特眼镜，穿着印有格兰芬多徽章的连体衣，展现了她对第一部哈利·波特电影的演绎。

We meet Harry, aged 10, living in a house.

我们遇见了 10 岁的哈利，他住在一所房子里。

Coming up to stand, take your feet wide, arms out and above your head, house pose.

站起来，双脚张开，双臂伸出，举过头顶，家庭式。

Harry lives at number four Privet Drive with his Uncle Vernon and Aunt Petunia, and his horrid bullying cousin Dudley Dursley.

哈利和他的弗农姨父、佩妮姨妈，以及他那个可怕的欺负人的表弟达德利·德思礼住在女贞路四号。

Now, Harry always tries to keep as quiet as a mouse.

现在，哈利总是试图像老鼠一样保持安静。

Coming down to your knees everybody, and tuck yourself up into a tiny little mouse pose.

大家跪下来，摆出一个小老鼠的姿势。

This is Jamie Amor, the host or, I guess, yoga instructor of a series of videos called "Cosmic Kids Yoga." Viewership of these videos skyrocketed during quarantine, from about 100,000 views a day to about a million.

这是杰米·阿莫尔（Jamie Amor），“宇宙儿童瑜伽”系列视频的主持人，或者我猜是瑜伽教练。隔离期间，这些视频的观看人数猛增，从每天约 10 万次观看量增加到约 100 万次。

And a lot of her most popular videos for kids are her retelling the stories of children's movies-- Moana or Trolls or Star Wars-- and combining the stories with yoga.

她的许多最受欢迎的儿童视频都是她重述儿童电影的故事——《莫阿娜》、《魔发精灵》或《星球大战》——并将这些故事与瑜伽结合起来。

This spring during quarantine, I watched a six-year-old regularly and very happily do yoga for a half hour with these YouTube videos before starting his day of remote learning first grade.

今年春天，在隔离期间，我经常很高兴地观看一个六岁的孩子通过这些 YouTube 视频做半个小时的瑜伽，然后开始他一年级的远程学习。

I walked by, and I would just get totally caught up in these videos.

当我走过时，我会完全沉浸在这些视频中。

And I have to say, a lot of my pleasure and complete fascination with them was seeing the ingenuity that Jamie Amor uses to incorporate the poses into the storytelling.

我不得不说，我对他们的很多乐趣和完全迷恋是看到杰米·阿莫尔巧妙地将这些姿势融入到讲故事中。

Like, for example, warrior pose for Elsa, making snow and ice in Frozen.

例如，《冰雪奇缘》中，战士为艾尔莎摆出造雪和冰的姿势。

Forward bends as Alice in Wonderland leans over to take a drink from the bottle that says "drink me" on it.

当《爱丽丝梦游仙境》中的爱丽丝倾身从写着“喝我”的瓶子里喝水时，身体前倾。

In The Wizard of Oz, when the tornado arrives, Dorothy is on her bed-- in bed pose, of course.

在《绿野仙踪》中，当龙卷风来袭时，多萝西躺在床上——当然，是在床上的姿势。

Look out the window.

看看窗外。

There's that mean lady from the village.

村里有个卑鄙的女人。

She's riding a bicycle in the sky.

她骑着自行车在天上飞。

Lying on your backs, criss cross your fingers.

仰卧，手指交叉。

Bicycle pose, of course.

当然是自行车姿势。

Pada Sanchalanasana.

帕达桑查拉纳式。

Lift up your legs, and peddle your legs like you're riding a bicycle.

抬起双腿，像骑自行车一样蹬腿。

She's cackling like a witch.

她像个女巫一样咯咯笑。

[CACKLING] But she's not riding a bicycle anymore.

[咯咯笑]但她不再骑自行车了。

She's on a broomstick with a black cat.

她和一只黑猫骑在扫帚上。

She really is a witch.

她确实是一个女巫。

Coming into broomstick pose, lying on your tummies, everyone.

大家摆出扫帚姿势，趴在地上。

And take your arms down by your side, and lift your feet and chest up at the same time, going whoosh!

然后将双臂放在身体两侧，同时抬起双脚和胸部，发出嗖嗖的声音！

The videos are actually structured like a real yoga class, always starting with a sitting pose and namaste, and always ending with shavasana, resting pose.

这些视频的结构实际上就像真正的瑜伽课程一样，总是以坐姿和合十礼开始，总是以摊倒式（休息姿势）结束。

And each of the videos plays like a little half-hour yoga appreciation of a movie, though they're all kids films, so Jamie Amor's kid-friendly tone matches them perfectly.

尽管都是儿童电影，但每个视频的播放效果都像是半小时的瑜伽电影欣赏，因此杰米·阿莫尔 (Jamie Amor) 适合儿童的语气与它们完美匹配。

But putting together today's program, we wondered what it would be like if she took on a film that's made for grownups and beloved by grownups, not by kids.

但在整理今天的节目时，我们想知道如果她拍摄一部为成年人制作并受到成年人而非孩子们喜爱的电影，会是什么样子。

So we reached out to her and her husband Martin, who makes these videos with her.

因此我们联系了她和她的丈夫马丁，他们和她一起制作了这些视频。

And they were into it.

他们很投入。

And we considered a bunch of different films to turn into yoga-- Silence of the Lambs and Pulp Fiction and Parasite-- before we settled on this film.

在我们决定拍这部电影之前，我们考虑了很多不同的电影来制作瑜伽——《沉默的羔羊》、《低俗小说》和《寄生虫》。

Jamie Amor prepared this for us.

杰米·阿莫尔为我们准备了这个。

Thelma & Louise are best friends.

塞尔玛和路易丝是最好的朋友。

Let's do a hug pose, wrapping our arms around our shoulders, like we're hugging our best friend.

让我们做一个拥抱姿势，用手臂搂住肩膀，就像拥抱我们最好的朋友一样。

They set out for a weekend away in the mountains to take a break.

他们出发去山里度周末休息。

On the way, they stop for a cold, refreshing drink at a bar.

途中，他们在酒吧停下来喝了一杯清凉的冷饮。

Thelma dances with a man called Harlan, coming into our dancer pose.

塞尔玛和一个叫哈伦的男人跳舞，摆出我们的舞者姿势。

Standing on one leg, we catch our foot with our hand behind us, and lift it as we reach forwards with our other arm.

单腿站立，用手在身后抓住脚，然后用另一只手臂向前伸出，将脚抬起。

Harlan wants to do more than dancing with Thelma, but she doesn't want to.

哈伦想做的不仅仅是与塞尔玛跳舞，但她不想这么做。

Louise finds them, and is so angry at Harlan that she shoots him in the chest.

路易丝发现了他们，并对哈伦非常生气，向他的胸部开了一枪。

Coming into our shooter warrior pose, standing one foot forward, one foot back, we bend our front knee and open our arms wide.

摆出射手战士姿势，一脚向前，一脚向后站立，弯曲前膝盖，张开双臂。

Pow!

噗！

Thelma and Louise whizz off in the car, coming into car pose.

塞尔玛和路易丝坐上车疾驰而去，摆出汽车姿势。

Sitting with legs out long, arms forward to hold the steering wheel.

坐着，双腿伸长，手臂向前握住方向盘。

Oh, dear.

哦亲爱的。

What have they done?

他们做了什么？

On the road, the women meet a handsome, friendly, young man called JD.

在路上，她们遇到了一位英俊、友善的年轻人，名叫 JD。

Thelma rather likes JD and invites him for a sleepover.

塞尔玛很喜欢 JD，并邀请他去过夜。

In the morning, JD wakes up.

早上，JD醒了。

Coming up to stand, reaching our arms up to the sky, we wave and say, "Hello, sun."

我们站起来，向天空伸出双臂，挥手说：“你好，太阳。”

And while Thelma and Louise go to breakfast, JD steals all of Louise's money.

当塞尔玛和路易丝去吃早餐时，JD 偷走了路易丝所有的钱。

Oh, dear.

哦亲爱的。

Thelma feels really bad.

塞尔玛感觉很糟糕。

To fix the situation, Thelma decides to become a robber and steal all the money from a nearby market.

为了解决这个问题，塞尔玛决定成为一名强盗，并从附近的市场偷走所有的钱。

Naughty Thelma.

淘气的塞尔玛。

Now the police are after them.

现在警察正在追捕他们。

Thelma and Louise arrive at the Grand Canyon.

塞尔玛和路易丝抵达大峡谷。

Coming to stand in our mountain pose.

以我们的山式站立。

Standing with our feet hip distance, arms by our side, we become as still and strong as the mountains.

站立时双脚与臀部保持一定距离，双臂放在身体两侧，我们变得像山脉一样平静而坚强。

They take a breath together.

他们一起吸了一口气。

[INHALES AND EXHALES]

[吸气和呼气]

Soaking up the incredible view and the peace of this place.

沉浸在这个地方令人难以置信的景色和宁静之中。

All of a sudden, a helicopter thunders into view.

突然，一架直升飞机轰然进入视野。

Jumping our feet wide and clapping our hands up over our heads.

我们双脚跳得很宽，双手举过头顶。

The dust swirls and the sirens scream.

尘土飞扬，警报声尖叫。

Arms wide, we spin, side to side to side.

张开双臂，我们旋转，从一边到另一边。

They're trapped.

他们被困住了。

Thelma looks at her best friend.

塞尔玛看着她最好的朋友。

Listen, let's not get caught.

听着，我们别被抓住。

Let's keep going.

我们继续吧。

Louise checks if Thelma is sure.

路易丝检查塞尔玛是否确定。

She nods.

她点点头。

Louise cups Thelma's face and kisses her.

路易丝捧起塞尔玛的脸，亲吻她。

Cupping our faces to feel our cheeks.

捧起我们的脸来感受我们的脸颊。

Louise steps on the gas, stepping one foot forward.

路易丝踩下油门，向前迈出一只脚。

As the car screeches forward, Thelma and Louise clasp hands.

当汽车呼啸而过时，塞尔玛和路易丝紧握双手。

The car flies off the cliff.

车子飞出了悬崖。

Coming into our flying pose.

摆出我们的飞行姿势。

Lifting up our back leg, balancing on our standing leg, and taking our arms out wide, we're flying.

抬起我们的后腿，在站立的腿上保持平衡，然后张开双臂，我们就在飞翔。

After all that action, we're ready to relax now.

完成所有这些操作后，我们现在准备放松一下。

So we lie down and let our bodies feel heavy.

所以我们躺下来，让身体感到沉重。

We close our eyes and take a big, deep breath.

我们闭上眼睛，深吸一口气。

[INHALES AND EXHALES] Ira Glass Jamie Amor, her yoga videos for kids that mix movies and yoga-- but also, there are ones which mix video games and yoga and all kinds of other things-- are at cosmickids.com, or find their free YouTube channel, YouTube.com, Cosmic Kids Yoga.

[吸气和呼气] Ira Glass Jamie Amor，她为孩子们制作的瑜伽视频，融合了电影和瑜伽，但也有一些融合了视频游戏和瑜伽以及其他各种东西的视频，可以在 cosmickids.com 上找到，或者找到他们的免费 YouTube 频道 YouTube.com Cosmic Kids Yoga。

[MUSIC - AILEEN QUINN, "LET'S GO TO THE MOVIES"]

[音乐 - 艾琳·奎因，“我们去看电影吧”]

(SINGING) Betty Davis is probably lying, and Greta Garbo is probably crying while Robert Taylor is locked in her dying embrace.

（唱歌）贝蒂·戴维斯可能在撒谎，葛丽泰·嘉宝可能在哭泣，而罗伯特·泰勒则被困在她垂死的怀抱中。

Chico, and Groucho, and Chaplin, and Lloyd are all super.

奇科、格劳乔、卓别林和劳埃德都超级棒。

Sweet Mickey Mouse, Shirley Temple, and dear Jackie Cooper.

可爱的米老鼠、秀兰·邓波儿和亲爱的杰基·库珀。

Let's go to the movies.

我们去看电影吧。

Let's go see the stars.

我们去看星星吧。

Our program was produced today by Lina Misitzis, and Noor Gill.

今天我们的节目由 Lina Misitzis 和 Noor Gill 制作。

The people who put together today's show includes Susan Burton, Ben Calhoun, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Damien Graef, Michelle Harris, Chana Joffe-Walt, Seth Lind, Stowe Nelson, Nadia Reiman, Alissa Shipp, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Diane Wu.

今天节目的制作人包括 Susan Burton、Ben Calhoun、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Damien Graef、Michelle Harris、Chana Joffe-Walt、Seth Lind、Stowe Nelson、Nadia Reiman、Alissa Shipp、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Diane Wu。

Our managing editor is Sara Abdirahman.

我们的总编辑是萨拉·阿卜迪拉赫曼 (Sara Abdirahman)。

Our executive editor is David Kestenbaum.

我们的执行编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。

Special thanks today to Jason Smart, David Selassie, Hong Yan, Xiangqian Wu, Karina Longworth, BA Parker, Adrian Shirk, Paul Scheer, Luke, Sophie, and Olivia.

今天特别感谢 Jason Smart、David Selassie、Hong Yan、Xiangqian Wu、Karina Longworth、BA Parker、Adrian Shirk、Paul Scheer、Luke、Sophie 和 Olivia。

And Cecil Ranieri.

还有塞西尔·拉涅利。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Our website, where you can listen to any of our over 700 shows for absolutely free, thisamericanlife.org.

我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们 700 多个节目中的任何一个。

Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia, who says he has one rule about drinking during the pandemic.

一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生，他说他对大流行期间的饮酒有一条规定。

Before 5:00 PM, or "prior to 5:00 PM" or "not later than 4:59 PM."

下午 5:00 之前，或“下午 5:00 之前”或“不迟于下午 4:59”。

I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.

我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

[MUSIC - AILEEN QUINN, "LET'S GO TO THE MOVIES"]

[音乐 - 艾琳·奎因，“我们去看电影吧”]

(SINGING) Let's go to the movies.

（唱歌）我们去看电影吧。

Let's go see the stars.

我们去看星星吧。

Red lights holler, deep Depression.

红灯呼啸，深沉压抑。

What do we care?

我们关心什么？

Movies are there.

电影就在那里。

Only happy endings.

只有幸福的结局。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。