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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass When I first heard about the new Chinese national security law that went into effect this month in Hong Kong, the person I wanted to talk to about it is this Hong Kong protester that I will call Jennifer.

序言：序言 Ira Glass 当我第一次听说本月在香港生效的中国新国家安全法时，我想和我谈论的人就是这位我称之为詹妮弗的香港抗议者。

Jennifer is somebody who I and a couple of other producers from our show spent time with and went to protest with last fall.

去年秋天，我和我们节目中的其他几位制片人曾与詹妮弗共度时光，并一起去抗议。

So many things that she said to us back then would now be illegal under the new Chinese law.

根据新的中国法律，她当时对我们说的很多话现在都是非法的。

In fact, any criticism of China or the Hong Kong government, anybody calling for democracy in Hong Kong anywhere in the world, could be prosecuted under this law.

事实上，任何对中国或香港政府的批评，任何在世界任何地方呼吁香港民主的人，都可以根据这项法律受到起诉。

Calling for the United States to support the protesters, which Jennifer did, that is illegal.

詹妮弗呼吁美国支持抗议者，这是非法的。

If the Chinese decide that talking to reporters like us is collusion with foreigners, that would be illegal.

如果中国人认为与我们这样的记者交谈是与外国人勾结，那将是非法的。

Chanting at protests about Hong Kong independence has been declared illegal.

在抗议香港独立的活动中高喊口号已被宣布为非法。

Damaging subway stations is categorized as terrorism with severe penalties.

破坏地铁站被列为恐怖主义行为，将受到严厉处罚。

Books by activists have been removed from public libraries.

活动人士的书籍已从公共图书馆下架。

People have been arrested for carrying pro-independence flags.

人们因携带支持独立的旗帜而被捕。

China is setting up its own separate national security apparatus in Hong Kong to handle these cases.

中国正在香港设立自己独立的国家安全机构来处理这些案件。

Maximum penalty-- life in prison.

最高刑罚——终身监禁。

What we're going to do today on our program is play you the episode that we made last fall about the Hong Kong protesters, where we tried to explain the feelings and the ideals behind the protests.

今天我们的节目要做的是向大家播放我们去年秋天制作的有关香港抗议者的一集，我们试图解释抗议背后的感受和理想。

And then, at the end of the hour, we will play you the interview that I just did with Jennifer this month on the second full day that the new law went into effect about the law.

然后，在这一小时结束时，我们将为您播放本月我刚刚在新法律生效的第二天对詹妮弗进行的采访。

If you're listening to the podcast version of our show and you heard this episode when we first put it out in the fall and you just want to jump to the new part with Jennifer, the new interview, it starts around 14 minutes from the end.

如果您正在收听我们节目的播客版本，并且您在我们秋季首次推出时听到了这一集，并且您只想跳到 Jennifer 的新部分、新采访，那么它会在结束后 14 分钟左右开始。

OK, here's the episode.

好啦，这集就到这里了。

It's nearly 2:00 in the afternoon when we reach Jennifer's family's apartment.

当我们到达詹妮弗家的公寓时，已是下午近2:00了。

She's just gotten up.

她刚刚起床。

She's still eating a very late breakfast.

她还在吃很晚的早餐。

I'll finish my noodles, then I'll start packing.

我先吃完面条，然后开始收拾行李。

I'm with my co-worker, Emanuele Berry, and we're in a quiet working class neighborhood in the part of Hong Kong that's called New Territories.

我和我的同事 Emanuele Berry 住在香港新界一个安静的工人阶级社区。

It's a Sunday, so Jennifer is getting ready to do what she does every weekend-- what she did yesterday, in fact.

今天是周日，詹妮弗正准备做她每个周末都会做的事情——事实上，她昨天做的事情。

That's why she slept late.

这就是她睡得很晚的原因。

She's going to a protest-- with a little backpack.

她要去抗议——带着一个小背包。

So this is the bag that I usually bring.

所以这是我经常带的包。

So this is a maroon bag.

所以这是一个栗色的包。

Jennifer It's a very small one.

詹妮弗 这是一只非常小的。

We have to keep everything light.

我们必须保持一切轻松。

So I always have a bottle of water and many tissues.

所以我总是有一瓶水和很多纸巾。

I have to bring a lot of tissues, because we need to wipe our eyes when there is tear gas.

我得带很多纸巾，因为有催泪瓦斯的时候我们需要擦眼睛。

And because I know how to do first aid, I always bring my first aid kit.

因为我知道如何进行急救，所以我总是带上急救箱。

The first aid kit is a little zip-up bag with roller bandages and gauze and gloves and stuff to sterilize a wound.

急救箱是一个小拉链袋，里面有绷带、纱布、手套和伤口消毒用的东西。

Jennifer started at the volunteer ambulance corps in seventh grade and has used all this stuff at demonstrations.

詹妮弗从七年级起就加入了志愿救护队，并在示威中使用了所有这些东西。

She packs her wallet and her AirPods.

她收拾好钱包和 AirPods。

Two batteries for her phone, because she's on it constantly during protests, checking the continuously-updated online maps that show where the police are and show escape routes.

她的手机有两块电池，因为她在抗议期间经常使用手机，检查不断更新的在线地图，这些地图显示警察的位置和逃生路线。

She packs a black T-shirt.

她带了一件黑色T恤。

The uniform of the Hong Kong protesters is black shirt, black pants, surgical masks to disguise their identities-- though she's wearing a striped maroon shirt for the bus ride to the protest.

香港抗议者的制服是黑色衬衫、黑色裤子，戴着外科口罩来掩饰身份——尽管她在乘坐巴士前往抗议活动时穿着一件栗色条纹衬衫。

Yeah, I wear a normal T-shirt when I go out so that no one can identify I am going to a protest.

是的，我出去的时候穿一件普通的T恤，这样就不会被人看出我要去抗议。

And sometimes I bring makeup so that I can transform myself after the protest.

有时我会带上化妆品，以便在抗议后改变自己。

I don't understand.

我不明白。

How do you transform yourself?

你如何改变自己？

Like, what's the--

就像，什么是——

I bring foundation-- very small, but can do everything.

我带了粉底——很小，但可以做任何事情。

How different are you going to look with that foundation?

有了这个粉底，你的妆容会有何不同？

No, it looks like you're not going to protest.

不，看来你不会抗议。

Because girls who are going to protest, they barely do makeup.

因为要抗议的女孩几乎不化妆。

But if girl is doing makeup, they're probably meeting someone.

但如果女孩在化妆，她们很可能正在遇见某人。

And so I bring this one.

所以我带来了这个。

And then of course, I bring my brow pencil.

当然，我还带了眉笔。

Because it really can make you look like another person.

因为它确实可以让你看起来像另一个人。

Yeah.

是的。

[LAUGHS] And I bring lipstick.

[笑]我还带了口红。

I'm sorry, it's a very small room.

抱歉，房间很小。

So we're in your room.

所以我们在你的房间里。

Your room has pink walls.

你的房间有粉红色的墙壁。

And there is a bunk bed with the bed on the top and a desk underneath it.

还有一张双层床，上面是床，下面是一张桌子。

Yeah, it's very typical Hong Kong girl's room.

是的，这是非常典型的香港女孩的房间。

For a Hong Kong protester to live at home with her mom and dad, that is not unusual in any way.

对于一名香港抗议者来说，与父母一起住在家里，这无论如何都不罕见。

If you know anything about the demonstrations that have overtaken Hong Kong since June, you know it's mostly young people in the city where rents are high.

如果你了解自六月以来席卷香港的示威活动，你就会知道，在这座租金高昂的城市里，抗议活动主要是年轻人。

Jennifer is 22 and just graduated college.

詹妮弗今年 22 岁，刚刚大学毕业。

She's working her first entry-level job at a public relations firm.

她正在一家公关公司做她的第一份初级工作。

I came to Hong Kong because there were things about the protests that I really did not understand.

我来香港是因为抗议活动中有些事情我实在不明白。

And we'll get to that.

我们会谈到这一点。

One of things that fascinated me once I arrived was learning what a routine the protests have become and what that was like for the people in them.

到达后让我着迷的一件事是了解抗议活动已经成为一种常态，以及抗议活动中的人们的感受。

This was mid-September, the 13th week of protests for Jennifer.

这是 9 月中旬，詹妮弗的抗议活动已进入第 13 周。

I'm not really worried because it's just like another day.

我并不担心，因为这就像又是一天。

I think I will meet up with two friends of mine.

我想我会和我的两个朋友见面。

But I'm not sure if I am going to because they are couple, so I don't want to be-- [LAUGHS] they are couple, so I don't want to be-- they always kiss next to me.

但我不确定我是否会这么做，因为他们是情侣，所以我不想——[笑]他们是情侣，所以我不想——他们总是在我旁边接吻。

So, mm, yeah.

所以，嗯，是的。

Speak of the devil, it's her friend, the one who kisses her boyfriend at demonstrations.

说到魔鬼，就是她的朋友，就是在示威中亲吻她男朋友的那个人。

And she's calling with bad news.

她打电话来告诉我们坏消息。

She was going to bring gas masks to the rally today.

她本来打算带防毒面具去参加今天的集会。

They'd order them from Amazon, Jennifer thinks.

詹妮弗认为，他们会从亚马逊订购。

But now she's learned that bringing gas masks would be a bad idea, because at the subway station--

但现在她知道带防毒面具是个坏主意，因为在地铁站——

Police are searching everybody, including men, little ones, and young people like us.

警察正在搜查所有人，包括男人、小孩和像我们这样的年轻人。

They're searching their bags.

他们正在搜查他们的包。

And if they have any equipment with them like the gas mask, eye mask, whatever, they just arrest them.

如果他们随身携带任何装备，例如防毒面具、眼罩等，他们就会逮捕他们。

Yeah.

是的。

So my friend just asked me if it is a must for me to get the gas mask.

所以我的朋友就问我是否必须要买防毒面具。

So I told her that no, it is not a must.

所以我告诉她不，这不是必须的。

I don't want to risk my friend getting searched.

我不想冒我朋友被搜查的风险。

So she told the other friend not to come out with equipment.

所以她告诉另一个朋友不要带装备出来。

Not ideal, but she's gone without gas masks before.

不太理想，但她之前就没有戴过防毒面具。

Jennifer grabs her knapsack, says bye to her mom, who tells her to come home early, a request that will be totally ignored.

詹妮弗抓起背包，向妈妈道别，妈妈告诉她早点回​​家，但这个要求却被完全忽略了。

And we head outside.

我们走到外面。

But then she turns and runs back.

但随后她转身跑回来。

What did you forget?

你忘记了什么？

Jennifer Uh, umbrella.

詹妮弗 呃，雨伞。

It is very important to have umbrella.

带伞非常重要。

Yeah.

是的。

It is not for the rain.

这不是为了下雨。

It is for tear gas and bullets.

它是用于催泪瓦斯和子弹的。

Rubber bullets, that is.

橡皮子弹，就是这样。

Ira Glass It works on bullets?

Ira Glass 对子弹有效吗？

Yes.

是的。

Frankly, yes.

坦白说，是的。

No, no, I don't understand why, but always, those bullets, they slip off along the umbrella.

不，不，我不明白为什么，但那些子弹总是沿着雨伞滑落。

edge.

边缘。

So they just-- they don't get through the umbrella.

所以他们只是——他们没有穿过雨伞。

Also, protesters hide behind a wall of umbrellas when they're painting graffiti or dismantling a closed circuit TV camera on the street, doing anything else they don't want the police to see.

此外，抗议者在街上涂鸦或拆除闭路电视摄像机时会躲在雨伞墙后面，做任何他们不想让警察看到的事情。

As she and I and Emanuele head to the bus stop, we notice other young people carrying full-sized umbrellas on this totally sunny day.

当我和她以及伊曼纽尔前往公交车站时，我们注意到其他年轻人在这个阳光明媚的日子里拿着全尺寸的雨伞。

Walking over here to the bus, are you looking around to see if-- other people you think are going to protest?

走到这里坐公交车时，你是否环顾四周，看看是否有其他你认为会抗议的人？

Yeah, you always want to know how many people are around you, right?

是的，你总是想知道你周围有多少人，对吗？

Yeah.

是的。

OK, and so there's some young people on our left, two people standing next to you.

好的，我们左边有一些年轻人，两个人站在你旁边。

I think the girl probably is not because she brings a very small bag.

我想这个女孩可能不是因为她带了一个很小的包。

But the tall guy, the tall guy in white shirt--

但是那个高个子，那个穿白衬衫的高个子——

Mm-hmm.

嗯嗯。

Jennifer Yeah, and then the couple behind you, probably.

詹妮弗 是的，然后可能是你身后的那对夫妇。

It's like, are you on my side?

就像，你站在我这边吗？

Are you one of us?

你是我们中的一员吗？

Once you're at the protest, everybody's in a mask so you don't really know who's on your team.

一旦你参加抗议活动，每个人都戴着面具，所以你真的不知道你的团队中有谁。

Here in the neighborhood, it's kind of exciting to wonder who your allies might be.

在附近，想知道谁可能是你的盟友是一件令人兴奋的事情。

The protests in Hong Kong have been international news for months, kicked off by people's fears that mainland China is threatening some very basic things about their city and their lives.

几个月来，香港的抗议活动一直成为国际新闻，起因是人们担心中国大陆正在威胁他们的城市和生活的一些非常基本的事情。

But for all the coverage here at our show, we felt like we weren't seeing many stories where we got to know anybody very well-- who they were, what exactly they expected was going to come out of the protests, given China's intransigence.

但对于我们节目中的所有报道，我们觉得我们没有看到很多我们非常了解任何人的故事——他们是谁，考虑到中国的顽固态度，他们到底期望抗议活动会产生什么结果。

Three of us arrived in Hong Kong in mid-September, me and Emanuele and a co-worker, Diane Wu.

我们三个人于九月中旬抵达香港，我和 Emanuele 以及同事 Diane Wu。

I have to say, one of the things that was fascinating, given the ugly state of democracy here in the United States lately, was to be among so many young people who believe so intensely in democratic ideals and yearn so deeply for the basics, like normal elections and free speech and free assembly.

我不得不说，考虑到美国最近丑陋的民主状况，令人着迷的事情之一就是成为如此强烈地相信民主理想并如此渴望基本要素的年轻人之一，比如正常的选举、言论自由和集会自由。

Though, just in the last few weeks since we got to Hong Kong, we've watched the situation changed dramatically.

不过，就在我们到达香港的最后几周内，我们看到情况发生了巨大变化。

It's gotten much more violent, harsh new measures by the government.

政府采取了更加暴力、严厉的新措施。

This hour, we have the story of the change that we witnessed and what we think it might mean.

这一小时，我们将讲述我们所目睹的变化以及我们认为它可能意味着什么。

If you haven't been following the story at all-- maybe you've been sitting this one out-- we're going to catch you up on what you need to know.

如果您根本没有关注这个故事——也许您一直在等待这个故事——我们将告诉您您需要了解的内容。

We have all sorts of people from all sides of this that we want you to meet.

我们希望您认识来自各个方面的各种各样的人。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。

This week, overseas with a lot of people who have some very American values.

本周，在海外有很多具有美国价值观的人。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act One, The Cursed Generation.

第一幕，被诅咒的一代。

OK, so what politicized thousands and thousands of people this much, that they've dropped their normal lives and they're coming out every single weekend to protest?

好吧，那么是什么让成千上万的人如此政治化，以至于他们放弃了正常的生活，每个周末都出来抗议？

It's now been 18 straight weeks.

现在已经连续 18 周了。

Take Jennifer, for instance.

以詹妮弗为例。

She's somebody who worked at Abercrombie and Fitch during college.

她大学期间曾在 Abercrombie and Fitch 工作。

She told me on the bus to the protests that's why her English is so good.

她在去抗议的公共汽车上告诉我，这就是为什么她的英语这么好。

She's somebody who wanted to be a singer.

她是一个想成为一名歌手的人。

Actually got a chance to go pro when she was 16, but her mom quashed that, saying it was too much of a long shot and she should get an education and get a normal job.

事实上，她 16 岁时就有机会成为职业选手，但她妈妈否决了这个机会，说这希望渺茫，她应该接受教育并找到一份正常的工作。

Jennifer was actually very surprised when I informed her that an American parent might have said the same exact thing.

当我告诉詹妮弗，一位美国家长可能也说过同样的话时，她实际上感到非常惊讶。

Oh, I thought American dreams can be true, something like that, because I watched Glee.

哦，我认为美国梦可以是真实的，类似的事情，因为我看了《欢乐合唱团》。

So how did this Glee watching, internet savvy college grad in her first office job, how did she end up protesting in the street every weekend with tens or-- I don't know-- maybe it's hundreds of thousands of her peers?

那么，这位观看《欢乐合唱团》、精通互联网的大学毕业生是如何在她的第一份办公室工作中度过的，她是如何每个周末都在街上与数十人或——我不知道——也许是数十万她的同龄人一起抗议的呢？

Well, for starters, Jennifer's 22, which means she's part of a special generation in Hong Kong.

首先，詹妮弗今年 22 岁，这意味着她属于香港特殊的一代。

I'm born in Hong Kong in 1997, right before the handover.

我1997年出生在香港，就在回归之前。

And here's a protester we're calling Alice.

这是一位抗议者，我们称之为爱丽丝。

And I'm born in 1997.

而我是1997年出生的。

Ira Glass Here's her friend we're calling Tiffany.

艾拉·格拉斯 这是她的朋友，我们称之为蒂芙尼。

I'm also born in 1997.

我也是1997年出生的。

Yuen You can call me Yuen, and I'm born in 1997.

袁 你可以叫我袁，我是1997年出生的。

So 1997 is the year when Hong Kong was handed over back to China from the British.

所以1997年是香港从英国手中回归中国的一年。

OK, let's just pause on these 22-year-olds for a minute for some quick history.

好吧，让我们暂停一下这些 22 岁的人，简单回顾一下历史。

As you may or may not know, Hong Kong sits on the edge of mainland China, right?

您可能知道也可能不知道，香港位于中国大陆的边缘，对吧？

It was a British colony for a really long time, starting in the 19th century.

从 19 世纪开始，它在很长一段时间内都是英国殖民地。

And then finally in 1997, the British got out.

最终在 1997 年，英国人退出了。

They handed it over to China.

他们把它交给了中国。

And the idea was, there was going to be a 50-year transition period.

我们的想法是，会有一个 50 年的过渡期。

After 50 years, China would fully be in charge.

50年后，中国将完全掌控一切。

But during that 50 years, Hong Kong would be a democracy.

但在那50年里，香港将成为一个民主国家。

Now Hong Kong people are to run Hong Kong.

现在香港人治港。

That's the last British governor of Hong Kong during the handover ceremony in 1997.

这是1997年香港回归仪式上最后一位英国总督。

That is the promise.

这就是承诺。

And that is the unshakeable destiny.

这就是不可动摇的命运。

But to be clear, Hong Kong had not been a democracy under Britain.

但需要明确的是，香港在英国统治下并不是一个民主国家。

But they were going to transition towards it over a bunch of years.

但他们将在几年内过渡到这一点。

And the hope was, after 50 years, in 2047, the Chinese government would let them stay a democracy-- which, at the time, did not seem like a crazy idea.

人们希望，50 年后，即 2047 年，中国政府能让他们继续实行民主制度——这在当时看来并不是一个疯狂的想法。

China was opening up in all kinds of ways, though it wasn't clear how this was going to play out.

中国正在以各种方式开放，尽管目前尚不清楚这将如何发挥作用。

And at the end of the day, after 50 years, in the year 2047, China was going to be able to do whatever it wanted in Hong Kong.

最终，50年后，即2047年，中国将能够在香港为所欲为。

These are the children born the year that clock started ticking.

这些孩子是在时钟开始计时的那一年出生的。

And have you heard of the phrase, "cursed generation"?

你听说过“被诅咒的一代”这个词吗？

Yes, it was a joke among the 1997 people.

是的，这是1997年人们的一个笑话。

It was pretty much a joke or pretty much a funny thing to us, because--

这对我们来说几乎是一个笑话或者是一件有趣的事情，因为——

I think when we first joked about it, it's really primary schools, but--

我想当我们第一次开玩笑时，这确实是小学，但是——

The cursed generation is just what we've been joking around for all those years.

被诅咒的一代正是我们这些年来一直开玩笑的对象。

Originally, the joke had to do with a coincidence.

本来，这个笑话与巧合有关。

They were cursed because of some weird, bad luck during some big childhood milestones they all went through together, like the year of their kindergarten graduation, the SARS virus hit Hong Kong.

他们因为一起经历的一些重大童年里程碑中的一些奇怪的坏运气而受到诅咒，比如他们幼儿园毕业那年，非典病毒袭击了香港。

And the city shut down, graduations were canceled.

城市被封锁，毕业典礼被取消。

Six years later, when they should have had their elementary school graduation, same thing happened again, but with swine flu.

六年后，当他们应该小学毕业时，同样的事情又发生了，只不过是猪流感。

And Jennifer remembers that her friends joked that when they graduated high school, it was going to be Ebola.

詹妮弗记得她的朋友们开玩笑说，当他们高中毕业时，将会是埃博拉病毒。

And that's when they started using the word "cursed."

从那时起他们开始使用“被诅咒”这个词。

I think that was around the time that J.K.

我想那是在 J.K.

Rowling wrote Harry Potter and the Cursed Child.

罗琳写了《哈利·波特与被诅咒的孩子》。

Yeah, so many of us-- oh, we're the cursed child.

是的，我们很多人——哦，我们是被诅咒的孩子。

Or we say that we are the chosen one because Harry Potter was the chosen one.

或者我们说我们是被选中的人，因为哈利·波特是被选中的人。

All of us love Harry Potter.

我们所有人都喜欢哈利·波特。

So we always think that, oh, we are the chosen one.

所以我们总是认为，哦，我们是被选中的人。

We have to face something special in our life.

我们必须面对生活中一些特别的事情。

Or we are the cursed one.

或者我们就是被诅咒的人。

We have to face something bad or face something significant.

我们必须面对一些糟糕的事情或面对一些重大的事情。

Jennifer says the "chosen one" side of things didn't really kick in until their senior year of high school.

詹妮弗说，直到高中四年级，“选择的一方”才真正开始发挥作用。

It was 2014.

那是2014年。

They were 17, the 17th year since the handover.

那一年，他们17岁，回归已经17年了。

And that year, people in Hong Kong were still expecting that mainland China was going to let them start holding full-on elections, where they could choose their own leaders, as promised back in 1997.

那一年，香港人民仍然期待中国大陆将让他们开始举行全面选举，他们可以选择自己的领导人，正如 1997 年所承诺的那样。

And that year, China announced it wasn't going to happen.

那一年，中国宣布这不会发生。

This led to a movement called the Umbrella Movement, headed by young people, teenagers, who'd learned their politics in these public school classes that all these 22-year-olds talk about as being instrumental in their thinking, classes that began as part of the handover called Liberal Studies classes that explained, among other things, the promises of 1997 and the rights of Hong Kong citizens.

这导致了一场名为“雨伞运动”的运动，由年轻人、青少年领导，他们在公立学校的课程中学习政治，所有这些22岁的孩子都认为这些课程对他们的思想有帮助，这些课程是作为移交的一部分开始的，称为通识课程，解释了1997年的承诺和香港公民的权利等。

They took to the streets, most of them for the first time, demanding to vote, carrying umbrellas, thousands of people in a vast procession down the streets in a protest movement that was almost entirely peaceful.

他们中的大多数人第一次走上街头，要求投票，撑着雨伞，成千上万的人在街道上举行了一场几乎完全和平的抗议运动。

And they lost.

他们输了。

They didn't get the vote.

他们没有获得投票权。

After three months, the protests ended.

三个月后，抗议活动结束。

Alice works for a multinational company in an entry level job out of college.

大学毕业后，爱丽丝在一家跨国公司从事初级工作。

She's a management trainee.

她是一名管理培训生。

She says she went to some protests back then out of solidarity with her peers.

她说，当时她出于与同龄人的团结而参加了一些抗议活动。

I was just amazed by the other students.

我只是对其他学生感到惊讶。

But she didn't really get all the politics.

但她并没有真正了解所有的政治。

That changed in June 2019, when Hong Kong introduced the bill that would allow mainland China to extradite people from Hong Kong to be tried and punished in China under Chinese law.

这种情况在 2019 年 6 月发生了变化，当时香港提出了一项法案，允许中国大陆从香港引渡人员，并根据中国法律在中国接受审判和惩罚。

This was seen as a new and very menacing encroachment on the rights of Hong Kong citizens.

这被视为对香港公民权利的新的、极具威胁性的侵犯。

Since 1997, they'd been ruled by Hong Kong laws and Hong Kong courts.

自1997年以来，它们一直受香港法律和香港法院管辖。

Everybody is presumed innocent with the rights we know in most democratic countries.

在大多数民主国家，每个人都被认为是无辜的，享有我们所知的权利。

Now anybody could get thrown into the prisons and courts of communist China.

现在任何人都可能被投入共产主义中国的监狱和法庭。

I would say that was the time when I first feel awakened, when I'm truly understanding what's happening when I first go to the march of the no extradition bill.

我想说那是我第一次感到觉醒的时候，当我第一次参加不引渡法案游行时，我真正理解正在发生的事情。

And I was very, very emotional at that time, because there is only around 7 million people in Hong Kong, but 1 million walk on the street with the same demand, with the same wish of having Hong Kong to remain its current state.

当时我的心情非常非常激动，因为香港只有700万左右的人口，但是走在街上的100万人都有同样的诉求，同样的愿望就是让香港保持现在的状态。

Wanting Hong Kong to stay like it is, with its own laws, separate from China.

希望香港保持现状，有自己的法律，与中国分离。

A week later, 2 million people came out.

一周后，就有200万人出来了。

At the time, I was feeling very, oh my God, this is so touching.

当时我就觉得，天哪，这太感人了。

Why is people so united?

人们为何如此团结？

And then the next second, the government just declares that, oh, we heard your voice, but we will be continuing on the bill on Tuesday.

然后下一秒，政府就宣布，哦，我们听到了你的声音，但我们将在周二继续讨论该法案。

So that was a really big contrast.

所以这是一个非常大的对比。

And in the morning, you see how peaceful things were.

到了早上，你会发现一切是多么平静。

But at night, you see the police coming out and start brutally hitting people.

但到了晚上，你会看到警察出来并开始残酷地殴打人们。

It was really unforgettable to me because that was the first time when I witnessed with my real eyes that the police is chasing people.

我真的很难忘，因为那是我第一次亲眼目睹警察追人。

They are chasing students who did not do anything and start to beat them and arrest them.

他们追赶没有采取任何行动的学生，并开始殴打和逮捕他们。

Other 22-year-olds also told us how radicalizing it's been to see police tear gassing and beating peaceful protesters.

其他 22 岁的年轻人也告诉我们，看到警察使用催泪瓦斯并殴打和平抗议者是多么激进。

And at this point-- I didn't understand this before we got to Hong Kong-- a lot of the emotion driving the protests is just about the police.

在这一点上——在我们到达香港之前我不明白这一点——推动抗议活动的很多情绪都与警察有关。

Because the government is supporting them to do such things.

因为政府支持他们做这样的事情。

And there is no penalty for them, even if they are doing things that are completely unacceptable to everyone.

而且他们不会受到任何惩罚，即使他们所做的事情是所有人都完全无法接受的。

Of course, nobody knows where this is going to lead by 2047, when China fully takes over Hong Kong.

当然，没有人知道到 2047 年中国完全接管香港时，这会导致什么结果。

But for Jennifer and lots of other people her age, things are starting to feel pretty ominous.

但对于詹妮弗和许多与她同龄的人来说，事情开始让人感到相当不祥。

Was Hong Kong going to become just like any other Chinese city run by the communists?

香港会变得像其他由共产党统治的中国城市一样吗？

When you're 50, what do you picture life here will be like?

当你50岁的时候，你想象这里的生活会是什么样子？

I can picture that I will be super depressed because I super comment on political things.

我可以想象我会非常沮丧，因为我对政治事物的评论非常多。

I really cannot imagine that day that I cannot speak freely on internet, that we do not have that freedom of speech anymore.

我真的无法想象有一天我不能在互联网上自由发言，我们不再有言论自由了。

And I cannot imagine that there will come a day me and my friends commenting on the government would become a crime.

我无法想象有一天我和我的朋友对政府的评论会成为一种犯罪。

Yes, I do, when all the things that is happening in mainland China now, especially, I would say, in-- where is it-- Xinjiang.

是的，我愿意，当中国大陆现在发生的所有事情，特别是，我会说，在——它在哪里——新疆。

Xinjiang, mm-hmm.

新疆，嗯嗯。

Jennifer Yeah, what is happening in Xinjiang will happen in Hong Kong.

詹妮弗 是的，新疆发生的事情也会发生在香港。

She's talking about internment camps, where the Chinese are holding perhaps a million Uighurs and others.

她说的是拘留营，中国人在那里关押着大约一百万维吾尔人和其他人。

They say it's reeducation, but it's basically a concentration camp.

他们说这是再教育，但它基本上是一个集中营。

They put people who do not agree with the government into the concentration camp and educate them.

他们把不同意政府的人关进集中营并教育他们。

And they got monitored wherever and whenever they go.

无论何时何地，他们都会受到监控。

Everywhere is police.

到处都是警察。

Police monitors everybody's move.

警察监视每个人的一举一动。

And I do think that if we do not fight for our future, there will come a day Hong Kong would become like Xinjiang.

我确实认为，如果我们不为未来而奋斗，香港有一天会变得像新疆一样。

Because she's politically active, this does not feel like an abstract threat.

因为她在政治上很活跃，所以这并不像是一个抽象的威胁。

When these 22-year-olds picture who China's going to crack down on, it's them.

当这些 22 岁的年轻人想象中国要镇压谁时，他们就是他们。

Tiffany's also in her first job out of college.

蒂芙尼也开始了她大学毕业后的第一份工作。

She works at a bank.

她在银行工作。

She asked us to replace her voice with an actor's.

她要求我们用演员的声音代替她的声音。

Who knows whatever they would do to us?

谁知道他们会对我们做什么？

And the extradition bill, who knows where we will go, what time we will disappear?

还有引渡法案，谁知道我们会去哪里，什么时候消失？

That's what we fear of.

这就是我们所害怕的。

Tiffany's heard of the social credit system that China has started to monitor and rate its citizens.

蒂芙尼听说中国已经开始对其公民进行监控和评级的社会信用体系。

She fears that if China decides that you're anti-government, it will make it impossible for you to get the job you want or rise in society.

她担心，如果中国判定你反政府，你将无法获得想要的工作或在社会中崛起。

And the devices that China uses to monitor its population, an estimated 200 million surveillance cameras around the country with facial recognition software, they've been going up around Hong Kong, tens of thousands of them.

中国用来监控人口的设备，估计全国有 2 亿个带有面部识别软件的监控摄像头，这些设备已经在香港各地安装了数万个。

Many, like me, are scared of being monitored and rated so that we will never, ever be free to do anything that we want under the monitoring of the Chinese government.

许多人，像我一样，害怕受到监控和评估，这样我们就永远不会在中国政府的监控下自由地做任何我们想做的事情。

This is something else I didn't understand before I came to Hong Kong.

这是我来香港之前不明白的事情。

The protesters like Tiffany and Jennifer don't just fear what's going to happen to them in the future with extradition laws or losing the internet or losing free speech.

像蒂芙尼和詹妮弗这样的抗议者不仅仅担心未来会因引渡法或失去互联网或失去言论自由而发生什么。

In their daily lives right now, they believe they're watching China already transforming Hong Kong, making it less like the Hong Kong they know and more like the mainland.

在他们现在的日常生活中，他们相信他们看到中国已经在改变香港，使其不再像他们所知道的香港，而更像大陆。

Jennifer points to changes in the public school curricula, like, she says, her seven-year-old nephew is speaking Mandarin in school five days a week.

詹妮弗指出了公立学校课程的变化，她说，她七岁的侄子每周有五天在学校讲普通话。

It didn't happen when she was a kid.

她小时候并没有发生过这种事。

Mandarin is what they speak in mainland China.

普通话是中国大陆人说的。

In Hong Kong, people mostly speak in Cantonese and in English.

在香港，人们大多说粤语和英语。

So all the Chinese classes are conducted in Mandarin.

所以所有的中文课都是用普通话进行的。

So he speaks Mandarin everyday, basically.

所以他基本上每天都说普通话。

He speaks Mandarin better than English.

他普通话说得比英语好。

Can you explain a little bit why Cantonese is so important?

你能解释一下为什么粤语如此重要吗？

Cantonese is more like an identity to us.

粤语对我们来说更像是一种身份。

It's part of what makes Hong Kong, Hong Kong.

这是香港之所以成为香港的一部分。

These days, when Jennifer pictures what her life is going to be like between now and 2047, she imagines her own kids going to public schools, not studying Cantonese, coming home and parroting the pro-government line that'll be the curriculum by then.

如今，当詹妮弗想象从现在到 2047 年她的生活会是什么样子时，她想象着自己的孩子去公立学校，不学习粤语，回家后鹦鹉学舌地模仿届时将成为课程的亲政府路线。

So I do love kids.

所以我确实喜欢孩子。

I really want to have kids.

我真的很想要孩子。

I want to have a football team of kids, really.

我真的想要一支由孩子们组成的足球队。

But I just cannot imagine the life they will be having in Hong Kong later on.

但我实在无法想象他们以后在香港的生活。

I cannot promise my kid a happy life if I am not certain about what will Hong Kong become.

如果我不确定香港会变成什么样子，我就无法向我的孩子保证幸福的生活。

You don't think there are children who are raised to be happy in mainland China?

你认为中国大陆没有幸福的孩子吗？

Not the kind of happy that I think.

不是我想象的那种幸福。

Mainland China people, they think that they are happy because they can still live.

中国大陆人，他们以为自己还能活下去就幸福了。

But then we want things more than just surviving in this society.

但我们想要的不仅仅是在这个社会中生存。

We look for rights and freedoms and human rights.

我们寻求权利、自由和人权。

But the mainland Chinese, they ignore all those things.

但中国大陆，他们忽略了所有这些事情。

They just think, having a stable life, having kids, having food, a good place to live in, is already happy enough.

他们只是觉得，生活稳定，有孩子，有饭吃，有好的住处，就已经足够幸福了。

Yeah.

是的。

Another change she says she's seeing right now in Hong Kong, she's upset at other mainlanders moving there in her neighborhood, and university students that she and her friends encountered at college.

她说她现在在香港看到的另一个变化是，她对附近搬到那里的其他大陆人以及她和她的朋友在大学遇到的大学生感到不安。

So many mainlanders, she says.

她说，大陆人很多。

I just feel really weird because I am born and raised in Hong Kong.

我只是觉得很奇怪，因为我在香港出生和长大。

I go to a local school, but then I have to be surrounded by all the mainlanders.

我在当地上学，但周围都是大陆人。

Does it bother you to be surrounded by mainlanders?

被大陆人包围会让你感到困扰吗？

Yes, actually, quite.

是的，实际上，完全如此。

But then we have 150 new immigrants from China to Hong Kong every day.

但每天有150名新移民从中国来到香港。

OK, I'm just going to pause the tape right there for a second.

好的，我要把磁带暂停一下。

The total, by the way, is over a million mainlanders since 1997, roughly 45,000 a year.

顺便说一下，自 1997 年以来，内地人总数已超过 100 万，每年大约 45,000 人。

But I'm stopping the tape because I don't know how you're feeling about Jennifer, but this was a point we came to in a few interviews with these 22-year-olds.

但我要停止播放磁带，因为我不知道你们对 Jennifer 的感觉如何，但这是我们在对这些 22 岁的人进行的几次采访中谈到的一点。

When you got them under the subject of mainlanders, get ready for a wave of totally bigoted opinions.

当你把它们归为大陆人的主题时，准备好迎接一波完全偏执的观点吧。

So, especially I live in New Territories.

所以，尤其是我住在新界。

So all the people surrounding you, you hear Mandarin.

所以你周围的所有人都听到普通话。

And then you start to see those less-educated people.

然后你开始看到那些受教育程度较低的人。

They're squatting next to the streets.

他们蹲在街边。

I did witness a mainland lady having her children pee at the road.

我确实亲眼目睹了一位大陆女士让她的孩子在马路上撒尿。

And I always hear mainland people yelling, shouting out for nothing in the mall.

而且我总是听到大陆人在商场里大喊大叫，大喊大叫。

And always, they jump into the line.

他们总是会插队。

Everything-- it bothers me a lot.

一切——这让我很烦恼。

I don't know.

我不知道。

They just squat on the roadside, waiting people.

他们只是蹲在路边，等待人们。

Yeah, for nothing.

是啊，无缘无故。

They can squat for an hour.

他们可以蹲一个小时。

Yeah, we don't because who would squat at the road?

是的，我们不这样做，因为谁会蹲在路边？

Why you can't just stand?

为什么你就不能站着呢？

Or why you can't just sit?

或者为什么你不能只是坐着？

They're more comfortable.

他们更舒服。

Jennifer It just doesn't look good.

詹妮弗：看起来不太好。

It doesn't look good.

看起来不太好。

It doesn't look civilized.

看起来不太文明。

So for all the alarm that Jennifer and the cursed generation feel about the future, their parents are often not as alarmed about China taking more control of Hong Kong and about what the island's going to be like in 2047.

因此，尽管詹妮弗和被诅咒的一代人对未来感到担忧，但他们的父母往往并不对中国进一步控制香港以及该岛 2047 年的情况感到担忧。

Like Tiffany's parents, they hate her going out to protests every weekend.

和蒂芙尼的父母一样，他们讨厌她每个周末都出去抗议。

I mean, for my parents, they-- we really have some very serious fights.

我的意思是，对于我的父母来说，我们确实有过一些非常严重的争吵。

And they think, we'll just let China take over Hong Kong, it'll be fine?

他们认为，我们就让中国接管香港，就可以了？

I think with our parents, some of the older generation just don't believe, or they are not brave enough to open up their eyes and see what is actually going to happen.

我认为对于我们的父母来说，一些老一辈就是不相信，或者他们没有足够的勇气睁开眼睛看看到底会发生什么。

They just feel like they did not do anything wrong.

他们只是觉得自己没有做错什么。

As long as you did not do anything wrong, then you'll be fine.

只要你没做错事，就没事。

What's galling about this for Tiffany is that she feels like she's being the responsible one, fighting for everybody's future.

对于蒂芙尼来说，令人恼火的是，她觉得自己是一个负责任的人，为每个人的未来而战。

And they're telling her not to protest.

他们告诉她不要抗议。

She was like, maybe if her parents had done this themselves years ago, things wouldn't be so bad today.

她想，也许如果她的父母几年前就这么做了，今天的事情就不会那么糟糕了。

I'm 22 years old.

我今年22岁了。

And in the past, when I was younger, they have never stood up like us or fight like us to ask for what they are promised in 1997.

过去，当我年轻的时候，他们从来没有像我们一样站起来，也没有像我们一样奋斗过，去要求他们在1997年所许下的承诺。

It's funny.

很有趣。

When you talk about it, you're mad at your parents about it.

当你谈论这件事时，你会生父母的气。

I just feel like-- I mean, I don't understand why they would not want these rights or why they don't think that something bad is going to happen in the next 50 years.

我只是觉得——我的意思是，我不明白为什么他们不想要这些权利，或者为什么他们不认为未来 50 年内会发生不好的事情。

So Tiffany and Jennifer and so many others, they've kind of given over their lives to protesting.

所以蒂芙尼和詹妮弗以及其他许多人，他们已经把自己的生命奉献给了抗议。

They work during the week, protest on the weekends.

他们工作日工作，周末抗议。

They say they don't have much time in their lives for much else.

他们说他们一生中没有太多时间做其他事情。

But what's interesting is, they don't think it's going to work.

但有趣的是，他们认为这行不通。

Most of our interviewees told us that.

大多数受访者都这么告诉我们。

They don't think China is going to give in.

他们认为中国不会屈服。

Again, here's Jennifer.

再说一次，这是詹妮弗。

I am pretty much pessimistic, actually.

事实上，我非常悲观。

I do wish that one day, we all succeed.

我真心希望有一天，我们都能成功。

We want a democratic Hong Kong.

我们想要一个民主的香港。

But now, I just don't see a way out.

但现在，我只是看不到出路。

It's been three months.

已经三个月了。

We've been trying each and every step.

每一步我们都在努力。

We've broke into the legislative council.

我们闯入了立法会。

We have more than 1,000 people got arrested.

我们有1000多人被捕。

But the government is still trying to ignore all of this.

但政府仍然试图忽视这一切。

If you feel so pessimistic about the results, why still go?

如果你对结果感到如此悲观，为什么还要去呢？

Why are you still going out every weekend?

为什么每个周末你还要出去？

At least the government sees that we are not that-- how do we say-- we are not that obedient.

至少政府看到我们不是——怎么说呢——我们没有那么听话。

So we have to continuously tell the government that we are not satisfied with what they are giving us.

所以我们必须不断地告诉政府我们对他们给我们的东西不满意。

So we have to do it.

所以我们必须这样做。

Again, here's Alice.

再说一次，这是爱丽丝。

Alice I think even if we have to lose, we need to leave our true thoughts in history.

Alice 我想即使我们一定会输，我们也需要把我们真实的想法留在历史中。

We need to let the people behind us know that we've tried.

我们需要让我们身后的人知道我们已经尝试过。

2047 is coming, and this is a very grand thing to say, but so many of these cursed generation kids feel like they have a special destiny.

2047 年即将到来，这是一件非常伟大的事情，但很多这些被诅咒的一代孩子觉得他们有一个特殊的命运。

Alex preferred to speak to us through an interpreter.

亚历克斯更喜欢通过翻译与我们交谈。

She's a frontline protester, builds barricades, has been arrested.

她是前线抗议者，搭建路障，已被捕。

I think we're actually lucky because we grew up with people who thought the same way.

我认为我们实际上很幸运，因为我们和有着同样想法的人一起长大。

And we realized that when we turn 50, it's the end of our freedoms.

我们意识到，当我们年满 50 岁时，我们的自由就结束了。

I'm 22 now, and I imagine that when I'm 25, that's really halfway until the bomb explodes.

我现在 22 岁了，我想当我 25 岁的时候，距离炸弹爆炸已经过去了一半。

And so if we don't do anything, by the time we're 50 years old, it would be awful.

因此，如果我们什么都不做，到了 50 岁的时候，情况就会很糟糕。

I don't want our children to have the same battle.

我不希望我们的孩子经历同样的战斗。

And then when we're 50, we'll look back and think that we didn't do enough.

当我们50岁的时候，当我们回顾过去时，我们会觉得我们做得还不够。

Our birthday is like a countdown to the end.

我们的生日就像结束的倒计时。

And so, more so than other people, I feel like my generation, we have a duty to do more.

因此，与其他人相比，我觉得我们这一代人有责任做得更多。

Again, here's Jennifer.

再说一次，这是詹妮弗。

Jennifer If we were born earlier, probably I would become my dad and mom.

詹妮弗 如果我们早点出生，也许我就会成为我的爸爸和妈妈。

And if I were born later, I would probably become those little kids speaking Mandarin better than Cantonese.

如果我晚生的话，我可能会成为那些说普通话比粤语更好的小孩子。

So I am happy that I am born in 1997.

所以我很高兴我出生于1997年。

We are in the middle.

我们在中间。

We have the chance to know what is freedom.

我们有机会知道什么是自由。

And we are experiencing that our freedom is being taken away.

我们正在经历我们的自由正在被剥夺。

And that's why we are the group who step up first to fight for it.

这就是为什么我们是第一个站出来为之奋斗的团体。

I think we are getting off here.

我想我们要在这里下车了。

I think we are getting off.

我想我们要下车了。

After an hour bus ride, we get to the protest.

经过一个小时的巴士车程，我们到达了抗议地点。

This is Act Two, The Fight.

这是第二幕，战斗。

Once we're off the bus, Jennifer ducks into a public restroom and comes out in black shirt, black pants, black mask over her face, hair pulled back in a ponytail.

我们一下车，詹妮弗就躲进公共卫生间，出来时穿着黑色衬衫、黑色裤子，脸上戴着黑色口罩，头发向后扎成马尾辫。

And we head on to a street where we're surrounded by hundreds of people dressed exactly like her.

我们走向一条街道，周围有数百名穿着与她一模一样的人。

A big shopping district, the stores closed, and no cars.

一个很大的购物区，商店都关门了，没有汽车。

All the side streets have been blocked off with barricades by the protesters-- scaffolding and fencing, trashcans, and orange construction cones piled in the street.

所有的小巷都被抗议者用路障封锁了——脚手架、栅栏、垃圾桶，街上堆满了橙色的建筑锥体。

They do an efficient job.

他们的工作很有效率。

We meet up with Jennifer's friends by a big Victoria's Secret store.

我们在一家大型维多利亚的秘密商店与詹妮弗的朋友们见面。

My friend, Hugo.

我的朋友，雨果。

Friend 1 Nice to meet you.

朋友 1 很高兴认识你。

Nice to meet you.

很高兴见到你。

Ira.

伊拉。

Hugo Nice to meet you, mate.

雨果 很高兴认识你，伙计。

Yes.

是的。

Very nice to meet you.

很高兴认识你。

Jennifer The couple who always kiss in front of me.

Jennifer 这对总是在我面前接吻的情侣。

What?

什么？

I'm not.

我不是。

Hugo No, we didn't.

雨果：不，我们没有。

We didn't.

我们没有。

For the record, I'm with them all afternoon.

根据记录，我整个下午都和他们在一起。

No kissing at all.

根本没有接吻。

The city is giving permission for fewer protests these days.

如今，该市允许减少抗议活动。

And this is an unsanctioned demonstration we're at, which means that everybody here is breaking the law.

这是一次未经批准的示威活动，这意味着这里的每个人都在违法。

Anyone is subject to arrest, which affects crowd size.

任何人都可能被捕，这会影响人群规模。

The maximum penalty is 5 years-- 10 years, if you're convicted of rioting-- which is why all the protesters are so scared of getting arrested all the time.

最高刑罚是5年——如果你因骚乱罪被定罪，则为10年——这就是为什么所有抗议者一直害怕被捕。

But despite that, the beginning of the protest has the feeling of a block party.

但尽管如此，抗议活动一开始就有一种街区聚会的感觉。

People strolling, chatting-- you see a few parents and kids.

人们在散步、聊天——你会看到一些父母和孩子。

Some non-protesters cut through the crowd, running errands.

一些非抗议者穿过人群去办事。

But an hour into all this, I look around and realize-- no families, no kids.

但在这一切发生一个小时后，我环顾四周，意识到——没有家人，没有孩子。

It's not feeling like a block party at all.

这根本不像是一场街区派对。

People are standing on top of fences, trying to see what's ahead of us.

人们站在栅栏顶上，试图看看前方会发生什么。

They're starting to put on gas masks.

他们开始戴上防毒面具。

Describe what you're seeing.

描述你所看到的。

Jennifer The protesters in the Thomas Street are moving backwards.

詹妮弗 托马斯街的抗议者正在向后退。

So we assume that there are riot police on the other end of the road.

所以我们假设路的另一端有防暴警察。

There is tear gas fired over there.

那边发射催泪瓦斯。

It's like two or three blocks away.

大约有两三个街区远。

We walk towards the police and the tear gas, past teams of protesters who are knocking bricks out of the sidewalk with long steel tools.

我们走向警察和催泪瓦斯，经过一群群抗议者，他们正在用长钢工具敲掉人行道上的砖块。

And the idea is what?

这个想法是什么？

Jennifer To put on the road so, later on, the riot police cannot run that fast.

Jennifer To 放上马路，这样，后来防暴警察就跑不了那么快了。

Also, people throw bricks at police.

此外，人们还向警察扔砖头。

We march straight to the front lines, where hundreds of protesters are massed on a side street.

我们直接前往前线，数百名抗议者聚集在一条小街上。

The police are just half a block away, but we can't really see them through the crowd.

警察就在半个街区之外，但我们无法透过人群真正看到他们。

And then a whole wave of tear gas canisters arcs towards us, hits us.

然后一波催泪瓦斯罐向我们射来，击中我们。

And lots of people, us included, run back a ways, half a block away.

很多人，包括我们在内，都跑回半个街区之外。

Jennifer calmly administers saline solution into strangers' eyes.

詹妮弗平静地把生理盐水滴入陌生人的眼睛里。

The controls on my recorder got knocked around running through the smoke, so I do not have a decent recording of that.

我的录音机上的控制装置在烟雾中被撞坏了，所以我没有像样的录音。

This is the role that she's assigned herself in the protests-- first aid, helping anybody who requires it.

这就是她在抗议活动中给自己分配的角色——急救，帮助任何需要帮助的人。

She even brought energy candy specifically to give out to people whose energy is flagging.

她还专门带来了能量糖，送给那些精力衰退的人。

After being driven back, Jennifer and her two friends and I wait for the smoke to clear.

被赶回来后，詹妮弗和她的两个朋友以及我等待烟雾散去。

Basically.

基本上。

Ira Glass So what do we do now?

Ira Glass 那么我们现在该怎么办？

And when you get to the police, what are you going to do?

当你报警时，你会做什么？

We're going to stand in front of them.

我们要站在他们面前。

If we have a chance, we're going to fight them back.

如果有机会，我们一定会反击他们。

Our goal is to make them to reach their front line.

我们的目标是让他们到达前线。

After a couple minutes, we head back toward the front line.

几分钟后，我们返回前线。

OK, we're walking forward to its corner, where it's this blue-- [COUGHS]

好的，我们正走到它的拐角处，那里是蓝色的——[咳嗽]

Take this out.

把这个拿出来。

Ira Glass And then we wait around.

Ira Glass 然后我们就等着。

Don't take it off.

别把它摘下来。

Ira Glass A water cannon goes off, blasting water that is dyed blue, laced with stuff that stings your skin.

Ira Glass 水炮响起，喷射出染成蓝色的水，其中含有刺痛皮肤的物质。

More tear gas, and we pull back a little.

更多催泪瓦斯，我们退缩了一点。

Then we move forward, wait again.

然后我们继续前进，再次等待。

[LAUGHS] Sometimes there's not always a purpose.

[笑]有时并不总是有目的的。

Sometimes we sitting at the back is just a support.

有时我们坐在后面只是一个支撑。

We just add our support to those at the front.

我们只是为前线人员提供支持。

Support like, if something happens, you'll do first aid?

支持，比如如果发生什么事情，你会进行急救吗？

Something like this, but also, they know that there are many people behind them.

事情就是这样，而且，他们也知道，他们背后有很多人。

It is important to give them some mental support as well.

给他们一些精神支持也很重要。

Yeah.

是的。

So many protesters are like Jennifer.

很多抗议者都像詹妮弗一样。

They think it's their job to support the people at the front, who are the hardcore ones, who push back against police and throw Molotov cocktails and chase police with sticks and metal rods and tear stuff down to build barriers to slow the police, wearing full gear, helmets, goggles, and gas masks and gloves.

他们认为他们的工作是支持前线的人，他们是核心人物，他们反抗警察，投掷燃烧弹，用棍棒和金属棒追赶警察，拆毁东西以建造障碍，以减缓警察的速度，他们穿着全套装备、头盔、护目镜、防毒面具和手套。

Finally, the front liners yell that they want room to retreat.

最后，前线士兵喊道，他们想要撤退的空间。

And so we need to retreat.

所以我们需要撤退。

And so we fall way back, a couple blocks.

于是我们就往后退了几个街区。

Yeah, because we always support.

是的，因为我们一直支持。

Our assistance is like a support to those in the front line.

我们的援助就像是对前线人员的支持。

But I don't understand.

但我不明白。

So the police want us out of there.

所以警察要我们离开那里。

They push, they fire tear gas.

他们推搡，发射催泪瓦斯。

They spray blue water on everybody.

他们向每个人喷蓝色的水。

We move back.

我们往回走。

And then we stand here.

然后我们站在这里。

And what's our goal?

我们的目标是什么？

This has been a very frequently asked question.

这是一个非常常见的问题。

Nowadays, we're just trying to stand on our own ground, not to be dispersed that easily.

如今，我们只是想坚守自己的阵地，不那么容易被分散。

That's it.

就是这样。

Just, the goal is to just stay out as long as you can.

只是，我们的目标是尽可能长时间地呆在外面。

Yeah.

是的。

Ira Glass And then, eventually, the police will push you off the street?

艾拉·格拉斯 然后，最终，警察会把你从街上赶走？

So in other words, it's exactly like the entire protest movement leading to 2047.

换句话说，这就像2047年之前的整个抗议运动一样。

Just try to slow them down as much as you can.

尽你所能地减慢他们的速度。

Yes.

是的。

Ira Glass In the end, China will win.

艾拉·格拉斯最终，中国将获胜。

But for as long as you can, you'll just stand here in the street.

但只要你能，你就只能站在街上。

It is pretty sad to say so, but I guess that's pretty much accurate.

这么说很令人难过，但我想这是非常准确的。

Yeah, that's--

是的，那就是——

What are they yelling?

他们在喊什么？

Jennifer They ask people to start moving.

詹妮弗 他们要求人们开始行动。

And there we headed to a massive retreat, as the police advanced towards us.

当警察向我们逼近时，我们开始大规模撤退。

And for the first time, there seems to be actual real fear.

似乎第一次出现了真正的恐惧。

We're running down streets and side roads.

我们沿着街道和小路奔跑。

We get separated from Jennifer's friends and from Emanuele, dodging the police, and finally, taking refuge in a church.

我们与詹妮弗的朋友和埃马努埃莱走散，躲避警察，最后在教堂避难。

There are safe houses like this around Hong Kong that protesters duck into.

香港各地都有类似的避难所，抗议者可以躲进去。

It takes over an hour, and finally, the coast is clear.

花了一个多小时，海岸终于畅通无阻了。

And Jennifer calls a friend to pick her up.

詹妮弗打电话给一个朋友来接她。

They're volunteer drivers for the protesters, part of the infrastructure they've created.

他们是抗议者的志愿者司机，是他们创建的基础设施的一部分。

Jennifer changes out of her black T-shirt into civilian clothes.

詹妮弗脱下黑色 T 恤，换上便服。

No makeup-- she's too tired, she says.

没有化​​妆——她太累了，她说。

And no need if she's getting picked up.

如果她被接走的话就没有必要了。

Say goodbye to Emanuele for me as well.

也替我向埃马努埃莱说再见。

Thank you.

谢谢。

[SIRENS] Ira Glass Coming up, we hear from people in Hong Kong who welcome China's takeover of the city with open arms and how one of them came to feel that way.

[SIRENS] Ira Glass 接下来，我们听到香港人张开双臂欢迎中国接管这座城市，以及他们中的一个人是如何产生这种感觉的。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today, we are returning to a program that we first broadcast this past fall about the protests in Hong Kong.

今天，我们回到去年秋天首次播出的有关香港抗议活动的节目。

I traveled to Hong Kong with my co-workers, Diane Wu and Emanuele Berry.

我和我的同事 Diane Wu 和 Emanuele Berry 一起去了香港。

Under the new national security law that China put into effect a couple weeks ago in Hong Kong, many of the things that these protesters said to us back then that you are hearing this hour could theoretically be prosecuted.

根据中国几周前在香港实施的新国家安全法，这些抗议者当时对我们所说的许多事情理论上都可能受到起诉。

We have changed nearly everybody's name.

我们几乎改变了每个人的名字。

We will end the show today with an interview that I did this month about that law with Jennifer, who you heard in the first half of the show.

今天我们将以我本月与詹妮弗就该法律进行的采访来结束今天的节目，你在节目的前半部分听到过她。

For now, we have arrived at Act Three of our program.

现在，我们已经进入了计划的第三幕。

Act Three, Good Cop, Dad Cop.

第三幕，好警察，爸爸警察。

So as an American visiting Hong Kong for the first time, one of the things that kind of killed me was hearing that, before the last few years of protests, people were really into the police.

因此，作为一个第一次访问香港的美国人，让我丧命的一件事是听说，在过去几年的抗议活动之前，人们真的很喜欢警察。

They were trusted.

他们是值得信赖的。

They were respected.

他们受到尊重。

And it was only in the last few years, especially the last few months of protests, that changed all that.

直到最近几年，尤其是最近几个月的抗议活动，这一切才发生了改变。

At a rally, I actually saw people chanting at a row of cops that they hoped that they and their families would die.

在一次集会上，我实际上看到人们对着一排警察高呼口号，希望他们和他们的家人都死掉。

And feelings about who to side with-- the police or the protesters-- they've gotten so intense, it's tearing families apart.

对于该站在谁一边——警察还是抗议者——的情绪变得如此强烈，以至于导致家庭破裂。

On the Telegram app, there's a whole channel for protesters who get kicked out by their parents and need a place to live.

在 Telegram 应用程序上，有一个完整的频道供那些被父母赶出并需要住所的抗议者使用。

Alan Yu grew up in Hong Kong.

余艾伦在香港长大。

He knows a family that is very far apart on this.

他认识一个在这方面意见相去甚远的家庭。

The son is a protester.

儿子是一名抗议者。

The dad is a retired police officer.

父亲是一名退休警察。

And Alan had them sit down and do what nobody in Hong Kong is doing-- talk to each other.

艾伦让他们坐下来，做香港没有人做的事情——互相交谈。

There is really no dialogue between police and protesters anywhere in Hong Kong, as far as we could tell.

据我们所知，香港任何地方的警察和抗议者之间确实没有对话。

And can I say, listening to this story today, nine months after we first broadcast it, after weeks of protests against police violence across the United States, I really do wonder how common this kind of experience is in our country.

我可以说，今天听这个故事，在我们首次播出九个月后，在美国各地针对警察暴力进行了数周的抗议之后，我真的很想知道这种经历在我们国家有多普遍。

Anyway, here's Alan.

不管怎样，艾伦来了。

I've known this family since I was six.

我从六岁起就认识这个家庭了。

I knew them because of my friend, Jonathan.

我认识他们是因为我的朋友乔纳森。

I rode the school bus with him every day.

我每天和他一起坐校车。

His father, Peter, was the first policeman I knew in real life.

他的父亲彼得是我在现实生活中认识的第一位警察。

I was excited to talk to him because you never hear what the police think about the protests.

我很高兴能与他交谈，因为你永远不会听到警察对抗议活动的看法。

Police here are not really allowed to talk to the press.

这里的警察实际上不被允许与媒体交谈。

Peter's retired, but still very connected to the force.

彼得已经退休了，但仍然与部队有着密切的联系。

So before the family all sat down together, I asked Peter to get together with me and my producer, Emanuele.

因此，在家人坐下来之前，我请彼得与我和我的制片人埃马努埃莱聚在一起。

I hadn't seen him since I was 12.

我从12岁起就没有见过他了。

Back then, people called me "Yu-don," which means fish ball.

那时，人们叫我“Yu-don”，意思是鱼丸。

Because the Cantonese for fish sounds like my surname, Yu, and because I was fat.

因为广东话里的鱼听起来像我姓余，而且因为我很胖。

I won't recognize you on the street.

我在街上不会认出你。

I won't.

我不会。

I won't.

我不会。

Oh, yeah?

哦，是吗？

Oh, OK.

哦，好吧。

Peter Serious.

彼得认真的。

I'm serious.

我是认真的。

OK, all right.

好吧，好吧。

I guess it's a compliment.

我想这是一种恭维。

Thank you.

谢谢。

He used to be very cute.

他曾经很可爱。

Emanuele Berry Yeah?

埃马努埃莱·贝瑞 是吗？

How?

如何？

He used to be very fat.

他曾经很胖。

Alan Yu As a kid, I liked Peter.

于艾伦小时候，我很喜欢彼得。

He'd take time off work to stop by during recess and buy us chips and other snacks.

他会在课间休息时抽出时间来给我们买薯条和其他零食。

My friend Jonathan would have his birthday parties at the police station, which we loved-- big barbecues, other policemen around.

我的朋友乔纳森会在我们喜欢的警察局举办生日聚会——大型烧烤，周围还有其他警察。

Peter was the cool dad.

彼得是个很酷的爸爸。

People in Hong Kong trusted, even revered the police back then.

当年香港人信任、甚至尊敬警察。

One of the most popular TV shows was a cop show, [CHINESE], where the police were heroes.

最受欢迎的电视节目之一是一部警察节目《中国》，其中警察是英雄。

Peter's hair is gray now.

彼得的头发现在已经花白了。

He's tall, athletic.

他身材高大，运动能力强。

He plays tennis.

他打网球。

My nickname in tennis-- I don't know why.

我在网球界的绰号——我不知道为什么。

My nickname in tennis is Federer.

我在网球界的绰号是费德勒。

Yeah.

是的。

Oh, are you good?

哦，你好吗？

Peter Federer Roger.

彼得·费德勒·罗杰.

I don't know why.

我不知道为什么。

Maybe my skill.

也许是我的技术吧。

I don't know.

我不知道。

I don't know why.

我不知道为什么。

[CHUCKLES]

[笑声]

He still likes his dad jokes.

他还是喜欢他爸爸的笑话。

I cannot imagine Peter ever doing what I've been seeing in these videos-- beating up unarmed protesters, kicking people on the ground.

我无法想象彼得会做我在这些视频中看到的事情——殴打手无寸铁的抗议者，把人们踢在地上。

I thought surely he would object to some of those things and that his views would be complicated.

我想他肯定会反对其中一些事情，而且他的观点会很复杂。

From what you've seen in recent months, has there been anything that the police have done that you think you would disagree with?

从你最近几个月所看到的情况来看，警方是否做了任何你认为你会不同意的事情？

Nothing is perfect.

没有什么是完美的。

But as a whole, in general, I think the police are doing a pretty good job.

但总的来说，我认为警察做得很好。

If it is in other police force in other countries, just look at the casualties.

如果是在其他国家的其他警察部队，看看伤亡情况就知道了。

Just look at the column of fatal numbers.

只要看看致命数字一栏就知道了。

It won't be zero.

不会是零。

I ask him about different situations the police have been criticized for.

我问他警察受到批评的不同情况。

I even show him videos of police brutally arresting people, things I think are clearly wrong.

我什至给他看了警察残酷逮捕人的视频，我认为这显然是错误的。

But he always seems to have a justification for the way police behave.

但他似乎总是为警察的行为找到理由。

He says, you're judging the police based on what you see in these clips.

他说，你是根据在这些片段中看到的内容来判断警察的。

That's not fair.

这不公平。

You don't know what the officer was facing.

你不知道这位官员面临着什么。

The social media only show the part of police hitting people.

社交媒体只展示了警察打人的部分。

But one minute ago, they've been attacked by lots of people.

但就在一分钟前，他们遭到了很多人的攻击。

So one minute later, he react to the mob attacking them.

一分钟后，他对攻击他们的暴徒做出了反应。

So what you can see is one minute after, but you did not see the full picture.

所以你看到的是一分钟后的情况，但你没有看到全貌。

He's not conflicted about police.

他对警察并不矛盾。

And he isn't very sympathetic to the protesters.

而且他不太同情抗议者。

He thinks the protests are destroying Hong Kong.

他认为抗议活动正在摧毁香港。

The extradition bill is OK.

引渡法案没问题。

He doesn't think China will end free speech in Hong Kong.

他认为中国不会终止香港的言论自由。

And protesters' fear of China is way overblown and naive.

抗议者对中国的恐惧过于夸大和天真。

Hong Kong is part of China.

香港是中国的一部分。

Come on.

快点。

Wake up.

醒来吧。

People, wake up.

人们，醒醒吧。

This is the fact.

这是事实。

Whether China is good or bad, Hong Kong is part of China.

无论中国好还是坏，香港都是中国的一部分。

If you don't like it, those people waving the United States flag, waving the Union Jack flag, if England takes you, you can go to England.

如果你不喜欢那些挥舞着美国国旗、挥舞着英国国旗的人，如果英格兰接受你，你就可以去英格兰。

Yeah.

是的。

You can go to Florida.

你可以去佛罗里达。

Go to California.

去加利福尼亚吧。

Yeah.

是的。

Go, go.

走吧，走吧。

If Trump takes you, yeah, go.

如果特朗普带你去，是的，走吧。

I'd already been worried how this family conversation was going to go.

我已经开始担心这次家庭谈话会如何进行。

Hearing what Peter believed did not help.

听到彼得的看法并没有帮助。

Peter told me he understands that Jonathan goes to protests, but doesn't ask him about it because he doesn't want any details.

彼得告诉我，他理解乔纳森去抗议，但没有问他这件事，因为他不想要任何细节。

Jonathan said he does not ask his dad what he thinks of the way police beat and tear gassed protesters for the same reason.

乔纳森说，他没有问父亲出于同样的原因对警察殴打和使用催泪瓦斯的方式有何看法。

It's just like, if he says something-- [SIGHS] if he says something that completely doesn't make sense to me, it sort of brings him down as a person.

就像，如果他说了什么——[叹气]如果他说了一些对我来说完全没有意义的话，这会让他作为一个人感到沮丧。

It's just like, I would feel like he's just, yeah, not who I thought he was, yeah.

就像，我会觉得他只是，是的，不是我想象的那样，是的。

--think that could be true.

——认为这可能是真的。

So this family does not talk about the protests at all.

所以这个家庭根本不谈论抗议活动。

Tennis, yes.

网球，是的。

Soccer, yes.

足球，是的。

Pets, great.

宠物，太棒了

But no politics-- till tonight.

但今晚之前不要谈政治。

They've agreed to have the conversation they've been avoiding after dinner.

他们同意在晚餐后进行他们一直回避的谈话。

Jonathan's mom, Alva, washes the dishes.

乔纳森的妈妈阿尔瓦负责洗碗。

I recognize the song right away.

我立刻就认出了这首歌。

I'm surprised she's humming it in front of Peter.

我很惊讶她在彼得面前哼着这首歌。

It's the protesters' new anthem, "Glory to Hong Kong." Alva is on Jonathan's side.

这是抗议者的新国歌“愿荣光归香港”。阿尔瓦站在乔纳森一边。

She works with lawyers, including some in the pro-democracy camp.

她与律师合作，其中包括一些亲民主阵营的律师。

I ask if Peter knows what that song is.

我问彼得是否知道那首歌是什么。

She says, maybe.

她说，也许吧。

That's kind of how it's been going between her and her husband.

她和她丈夫之间的关系就是这样。

No real discussion, but the occasional passive-aggressive comment while they're watching the news, or some passive-aggressive humming during dishes.

没有真正的讨论，但他们在看新闻时偶尔会发表一些被动攻击性的评论，或者在吃饭时发出一些被动攻击性的嗡嗡声。

This is another reason Jonathan avoids bringing up the protests.

这是乔纳森避免提出抗议的另一个原因。

He doesn't want to start a fight between his parents.

他不想在父母之间引发争吵。

Someone moving out, I guess.

我猜有人搬走了。

Yeah, because they can't stand it anymore.

是啊，因为他们已经受不了了。

Yeah, I guess, living apart would be the worst case scenario, I believe.

是的，我想，分居是最坏的情况，我相信。

Because that sort of unofficially means that you're no longer together, sort of, yeah.

因为这非正式地意味着你们不再在一起了，是的。

That could be his mom, or his dad, or him.

那可能是他的妈妈，或者他的爸爸，或者他。

We all sit at the dinner table.

我们都坐在餐桌旁。

I don't know why they agreed to talk about this.

我不知道他们为什么同意谈论这个。

Maybe just because I've known them for so long, and I asked.

也许只是因为我认识他们太久了，我才问。

Or I hope maybe part of them wanted to talk, and I was just a good excuse.

或者我希望他们中的一部分人想谈谈，而我只是一个很好的借口。

Peter's facing me.

彼得面对着我。

And Jonathan and Alva are next to me.

乔纳森和阿尔瓦就在我旁边。

Jonathan has their dog, Loki, named after the Marvel character, on his lap.

乔纳森把他们的狗洛基放在腿上，洛基以漫威角色的名字命名。

The conversation starts with all of them saying, in different ways, it's fine that we don't talk about this.

谈话开始时，他们所有人都以不同的方式说，我们不谈论这个很好。

We all have mutual respect.

我们都相互尊重。

Instead of talking to each other or looking at each other, they're talking to me or looking at the dog.

他们不是互相说话或互相看着对方，而是和我说话或看着狗。

It feels all very careful, proper, and calm.

感觉一切都很小心，很得体，很平静。

This continues for half an hour.

这种情况持续了半个小时。

Then everything changes when Peter uses the word "compromise."

当彼得使用“妥协”这个词时，一切都改变了。

Compromise-- it's basically the government line.

妥协——这基本上是政府的路线。

That's what Hong Kong's chief executive Carrie Lam says, that the protesters should stop protesting.

香港特首林郑月娥表示，抗议者应该停止抗议。

And after that, the two sides can talk.

之后，双方就可以交谈了。

Alva and Jonathan hear that as meaning the protesters should back down.

阿尔瓦和乔纳森听到这意味着抗议者应该让步。

They both lay into Peter.

他们都躺在彼得身上。

Alva says the police are the ones who need to change.

阿尔瓦说警察是需要改变的人。

They have to calm the situation.

他们必须平息局势。

Peter says the police are doing their job.

彼得说警察正在尽职。

I don't know why, when the police arrest people for fighting or breaking stuff, it's treated as weird.

我不知道为什么，当警察因打架或破坏东西而逮捕人时，人们会认为这是很奇怪的。

It's illegal, so arrest them.

这是非法的，所以逮捕他们。

No problem.

没问题。

Johnson says, OK, yes, arrest them.

约翰逊说，好吧，是的，逮捕他们。

But how much force does the police need to use?

但警察需要动用多少武力呢？

Sometimes a person just asks the police a question, and they still get arrested or beaten.

有时，一个人只是问警察一个问题，他们仍然会被逮捕或殴打。

Or people who are already on the ground, kneeling, subdued, they still get beaten.

或者已经跪在地上的人，被制服了，还是会被打。

Peter doesn't respond.

彼得没有回应。

Then they argue, openly argue for the first time, about one of the protesters' main demands, something the government refused to budge on-- to start an independent investigation into police behavior.

然后，他们首次公开争论抗议者的一项主要要求，即对警察行为展开独立调查，但政府拒绝让步。

Peter keeps repeating the same thing over and over, like he's been backed into a corner, that there's no need for independent investigation.

彼得不断地重复同样的事情，就像他被逼到了墙角一样，没有必要进行独立调查。

Now is not the right time.

现在还不是时候。

The city already has a system in place to investigate complaints about the police.

该市已经建立了一个系统来调查对警察的投诉。

They talk a little longer, but it doesn't go anywhere.

他们又聊了一会儿，但没有任何结果。

Alva tells me later she had other things she could have brought up, but decided against it.

阿尔瓦后来告诉我，她本来可以提出其他事情，但她决定不这样做。

She didn't want her husband to feel trapped.

她不想让她的丈夫感到被困住。

The word she used was [CHINESE], which translates as dead corner.

她用的词是[中文]，翻译过来就是死角。

No place to go.

无处可去。

Preserving the family was more important to her than trying to win an argument.

对她来说，维护家庭比试图赢得争论更重要。

Later, Jonathan told me he still loves his dad.

后来，乔纳森告诉我他仍然爱他的父亲。

But he's given up hope that his father could be a reasonable human being, at least when it comes to the police.

但他已经放弃了希望，认为他的父亲可以成为一个通情达理的人，至少在警察方面是这样。

When I started this, I was kind of naive.

当我开始这样做时，我有点天真。

I thought maybe Jonathan and his mother and father, people who actually want to understand each other, could talk about this in a productive manner, and that if they could, maybe there was hope that the rest of us could.

我想也许乔纳森和他的父母，这些真正想要互相理解的人，可以以富有成效的方式谈论这个问题，如果他们可以，也许我们其他人也可以。

But now, I don't have a lot of hope.

但现在，我已经不抱太大希望了。

Alan Yu, he's normally a reporter for WHYY's show, The Pulse.

Alan Yu，他通常是 WHYY 节目《The Pulse》的记者。

Jonathan, his brother, Chris, and Alva are now thinking seriously about leaving Hong Kong.

乔纳森、他的兄弟克里斯和阿尔瓦现在正在认真考虑离开香港。

Peter is not.

彼得不是。

Act Four, A Slow Boat to China.

第四幕，开往中国的慢船。

So what about all the people living in Hong Kong who have no problem with China, who like China?

那么所有生活在香港、对中国没有问题、喜欢中国的人呢？

There's a lot of them.

有很多。

And they hold their own demonstrations, which are pretty small-- flag parties where flash mobs show up at malls and wave Chinese flags and sing the Chinese national anthem.

他们还举行自己的示威活动，规模相当小——快闪族出现在商场里，挥舞中国国旗，唱中国国歌。

And the big day to celebrate China normally would be October 1, National Day, the anniversary of the Communist Party founding the modern Chinese state.

通常庆祝中国的大日子是10月1日，即国庆节，即共产党建立现代中国国家的周年纪念日。

And this year was going to be a big one.

今年将是重要的一年。

It was the 70th anniversary.

那天是 70 周年纪念日。

And the people who support mainland China were kind of resentful, because this day was supposed to be this huge holiday for them, but anticipating massive protests, the city shut down.

而支持中国大陆的人们则有些不满，因为这一天对他们来说本应是一个重要的节日，但由于预计会出现大规模抗议活动，所以封城了。

Fireworks were canceled.

烟花表演被取消。

Trains weren't running.

火车没有运行。

Almost all the malls were going to be closed.

几乎所有购物中心都将关闭。

The protesters had ruined the day again.

抗议者再次毁了这一天。

So in defiance, the pro-China people organized an anthem singing party for the morning of the first.

因此，亲华人士不顾一切，在初一早上组织了一场国歌演唱会。

Our co-worker, Diane Wu, went.

我们的同事黛安·吴去了。

The party took place at 8:30 in the morning on a boat.

聚会于早上8点30分在船上举行。

Not just any boat-- on the Star Ferry, this iconic Hong Kong commuter slash sightseeing boat on the harbor.

不仅仅是任何船只——天星小轮上的这艘标志性的香港通勤观光船在港口上行驶。

The ferries are these beautiful old boats from colonial times with names like Silver Star, Northern Star, Twinkling Star.

渡轮是殖民时期的漂亮老船，名字有银星、北极星、闪烁之星等。

And today, one of them is going to get completely covered with bright red Chinese flags.

今天，其中之一将被鲜红的中国国旗完全覆盖。

A couple dozen people are gathering at the ferry terminal.

渡轮码头聚集了几十人。

They're mostly strangers, know each other loosely from previous flash mobs and get-togethers.

他们大多是陌生人，通过之前的快闪活动和聚会而彼此了解。

"I love China," they shout.

“我爱中国，”他们喊道。

[SHOUTING IN CHINESE]

[用中文喊叫]

"Support the police." [SHOUTING IN CHINESE]

“支持警察。” [用中文喊叫]

[CHEERING] It's kind of funny when you think about it, all these people up so early on their day off, getting on a boat to sing the national anthem together.

[欢呼]想想就觉得有点好笑，这么多人在休息日起得很早，一起上船唱国歌。

It's also a little dark, because there's a real threat of violence against people who don't support the protest.

这也有点黑暗，因为不支持抗议的人确实面临暴力威胁。

One of these flag parties two weeks ago at a mall devolved into a brawl when protesters showed up.

两周前，在一家商场举行的一场卖旗派对因抗议者出现而演变成一场斗殴。

People on both sides got beat up.

两边的人都被打了。

And so going out on a ferry to shout pro-China slogans is strategic.

因此，在渡轮上喊出亲中国的口号是具有战略意义的。

Once you're on the boat out at sea, you ought to be safe from a counter protest.

一旦你上了出海的船，你应该就不会受到反抗议了。

As one guy put it--

正如一个人所说——

Well, we've been living in terror for the last three months because the people on the other side, the rioters, they're really good at the terrorizing tactics.

嗯，过去三个月我们一直生活在恐怖之中，因为另一边的人，暴徒，他们真的很擅长恐吓战术。

They make you feel that you should be afraid of speaking up and speaking out against them because they're so organized.

他们让你觉得你应该害怕大声疾呼和公开反对他们，因为他们是如此有组织。

In the terminal, everyone gathers in a semicircle, holding special holiday issues of the China Daily and singing the Chinese national anthem together.

航站楼里，大家围成半圆，拿着《中国日报》节日特刊，一起唱中国国歌。

It's a little shaky.

有点摇摇欲坠。

The guy leading it told me he just learned the words a couple weeks ago.

领头的人告诉我他几周前才学会这些词。

Most of the people here, best as I can tell, are not mainlanders who grew up with the anthem.

据我所知，这里的大多数人都不是伴着国歌长大的大陆人。

The ones I talked to were all from Hong Kong.

和我交谈的都是香港人。

Being this into China is new for them, something that only happened when the protests got bad enough that they found themselves rallying around this new flag.

进入中国对他们来说是新鲜事，只有当抗议活动变得足够严重，他们发现自己聚集在这面新旗帜周围时，才会发生这种情况。

And it's not always comfortable.

而且并不总是那么舒服。

I'm getting on the boat with Daniel, the guy who was griping about being terrorized, when someone puts a heart-shaped sticker on him.

我和丹尼尔一起上船，丹尼尔正在抱怨自己受到了恐吓，这时有人在他身上贴了一张心形贴纸。

You just got a Chinese flag sticker stuck on you.

你身上刚刚贴了一张中国国旗贴纸。

Yes, yeah.

是的，是的。

I feel a little cringey about this.

我对此感到有点畏缩。

Why?

为什么？

Daniel I'm not exactly that red.

丹尼尔，我其实没那么红。

Compared to a lot of people here, I'm not the most red person.

和这里的很多人相比，我并不是最红的人。

Red, in the crayon box of the Hong Kong protests, refers to being pro-China, versus blue for the government and yellow for the protesters.

香港抗议活动的蜡笔盒中的红色代表亲中，蓝色代表政府，黄色代表抗议者。

Daniel almost didn't come this morning, actually.

事实上，丹尼尔今天早上差点没来。

It's not really his scene.

这真的不是他的场景。

He sees being this patriotic about China as kind of dorky.

他认为对中国如此爱国有点愚蠢。

Moreover--

而且——

I always tell my friends I would never want to live in China, because there's a lot of things in China that I can't accept if I were to be forced to live in China.

我总是告诉我的朋友我永远不想生活在中国，因为如果我被迫生活在中国，中国有很多事情我无法接受。

The two things he can't accept that we end up talking about are the lack of free speech and censored access to the internet.

他无法接受我们最终谈论的两件事是缺乏言论自由和对互联网的审查。

But the truth is, I live in Hong Kong.

但事实是，我住在香港。

And I get to retain my almost unchecked freedom for 28 more years.

我可以在接下来的 28 年里保留几乎不受限制的自由。

And it's such a sweetheart deal for Hong Kong people.

对于香港人来说，这真是一笔甜蜜的交易。

I pointed out to him that after 28 years, it's very possible those freedoms would disappear.

我向他指出，28年后，这些自由很可能会消失。

And he had the same response that I heard from other people who don't like the protests.

他的反应与我从其他不喜欢抗议的人那里听到的反应相同。

He was like, well, sure, maybe.

他说，好吧，当然，也许吧。

Well, I guess, you're talking me to appreciate the young people's perspectives, but in exchange for the freedom that they fight for, they're wreaking havoc, and they're destroying law and order.

好吧，我想，你是在让我欣赏年轻人的观点，但为了换取他们争取的自由，他们正在造成严重破坏，他们正在破坏法律和秩序。

And--

还有——

So in the balance, it's not worth it to you.

所以总的来说，这对你来说不值得。

If I were to choose between this-- if China say, in order to have law and order, I will need to sacrifice the freedom the same way Chinese people have in Hong Kong, I would accept that balance.

如果我要在两者之间做出选择——如果中国说，为了拥有法律和秩序，我需要像中国人在香港那样牺牲自由，我会接受这种平衡。

This is unacceptable, the whole unorganized chaos, revolution, and the havoc they wrought in Hong Kong.

这是不可接受的，整个无组织的混乱、革命以及他们在香港造成的破坏。

It's completely unacceptable.

这是完全不能接受的。

I will give up the freedom the way they do in China to stop this.

我会像中国人那样放弃自由来阻止这一切。

It's a big jump from I could never live in China to I would sacrifice my freedom just to get this to stop.

从我永远无法在中国生活到我愿意牺牲我的自由来阻止这一切，这是一个巨大的飞跃。

But the intensity of the protests and his frustration with what he's experiencing in the city have driven him to at least try on this extreme idea.

但抗议活动的激烈程度以及他对自己在这座城市所经历的事情的沮丧促使他至少尝试了这个极端的想法。

Daniel's 40, works in finance.

丹尼尔今年 40 岁，从事金融工作。

He lived in the US for 12 years.

他在美国生活了12年。

He's a football fan.

他是一名足球迷。

Roots for the Chicago Bears because he likes the tenacious defense.

扎根芝加哥熊队是因为他喜欢顽强的防守。

He says he wasn't politically involved before all this.

他说，在这一切之前他没有参与政治。

Went to one of the big peaceful protests last spring, more to watch than to participate.

去年春天，我参加了一场大型和平抗议活动，更多的是观看而不是参与。

But that changed one day when he was watching a livestream of the young protesters storming the legislative council.

但有一天，当他观看年轻抗议者冲击立法会的直播时，情况发生了变化。

He was surprised how ferocious they seemed, how even the police officers looked a little scared.

他很惊讶他们看起来如此凶猛，连警察都显得有些害怕。

At that moment, I suddenly realized, oh, we're actually very close to a revolution.

那一刻我突然意识到，哦，我们其实已经非常接近一场革命了。

It could happen.

这可能会发生。

It's just never occurred to me that Hong Kong would go through that.

我只是没想到香港会经历这样的事情。

It's both stunned and anxiety about unknown, you know, anxiety.

这既是震惊，又是对未知的焦虑，你知道，焦虑。

Things can change abruptly.

事情可能会突然改变。

If there isn't a revolution, it's going to force the hand of the Chinese government to crack down on it violently.

如果不革命，就会迫使中国政府出手猛烈镇压。

And anything can happen.

任何事情都可能发生。

I could lose all the privilege I have as a Hong Kong citizen-- protection of common law, freedom of speech, but also freedom of speech protected by common law.

我可能会失去作为香港公民所享有的所有特权——普通法的保护、言论自由，以及受普通法保护的言论自由。

Nobody in China enjoy this freedom.

在中国没有人享有这种自由。

But if it gets to a certain point, we can lose all of these privileges, which I treasure.

但如果事情发展到一定程度，我们可能会失去所有这些我所珍惜的特权。

He woke up the next morning to see that the coverage was wall-to-wall about police brutality.

第二天早上他醒来，发现有关警察暴行的报道铺天盖地。

To Daniel, it seemed like everyone was leaving out the fact that the protesters had started it, which seemed deeply unjust to the police.

在丹尼尔看来，似乎每个人都忽略了抗议者发起这一事实，这对警察来说似乎非常不公正。

And that's when I started turning blue.

就在那时我开始脸色发青。

When I felt that the police were smeared unfairly, I took my side.

当我觉得警察受到不公平的抹黑时，我站在了自己一边。

I chose to be on the police side.

我选择站在警察一边。

Other people sided against the protest for different reasons.

其他人出于不同的原因站在反对抗议一边。

A big one I heard was the disruption they caused.

我听到的一大问题是他们造成的破坏。

The security guard told me he had to transfer four times to get home one night because of subway shutdowns.

保安告诉我，由于地铁停运，他一晚要换乘四趟才能回家。

A woman trying to get cash out of an ATM that had been destroyed by protesters said, if you're mad at the government, take it out on the government.

一名妇女试图从被抗议者毁坏的自动取款机中取出现金，她说，如果你对政府生气，那就把怒气发泄到政府身上。

You're only hurting people like me.

你只会伤害像我这样的人。

A man said to me, sadly, Hong Kong is our home.

一个人对我说，可悲的是，香港是我们的家。

Why are they destroying it?

他们为什么要毁掉它？

The crowd on the boat finishes belting out the national anthem a second time, when, suddenly, everyone rushes to the railing.

船上的人群第二次唱完国歌，突然，所有人都冲向栏杆。

Everyone's waving at the sea police.

每个人都在向海上警察挥手。

They all ran to one side of the boat.

他们都跑到船的一侧。

It feels like it might tip over.

感觉可能会翻倒。

Everyone crammed together on one side in a position that's a little precarious.

每个人都挤在一边，处境有点危险。

That's kind of like Daniel's world right now.

这有点像丹尼尔现在的世界。

He felt pushed to choose a team.

他感到被迫选择一支球队。

Like it or not, these are his new people.

不管你喜欢与否，这些都是他的新朋友。

He doesn't think like them exactly.

他的想法和他们不完全一样。

But he feels more aligned with these Chinese nationalists on this boat, waving at the police, than with the angry protesters ganging up on them, even if those protesters ultimately want the same thing he does-- to preserve their freedoms in Hong Kong.

但他感觉自己更支持船上这些向警察挥手的中国民族主义者，而不是联合起来攻击他们的愤怒抗议者，即使这些抗议者最终想要的和他一样——维护他们在香港的自由。

Sitting on the upper deck of the Star Ferry, this was actually the first time Daniel had ever sang the national anthem in public.

坐在天星小轮的上层甲板上，这其实是丹尼尔第一次在公开场合唱国歌。

He told me later, as he sang, he was surprised to find that he felt something.

后来他告诉我，当他唱歌时，他惊讶地发现自己感觉到了一些东西。

Diane Wu.

吴黛安.

She talked to Daniel last week.

她上周和丹尼尔谈过。

With the passing of the national security law, he blames the protesters for killing the Hong Kong that he cherished, but says he accepts it as the only viable future.

随着国家安全法的通过，他指责抗议者杀害了他所珍视的香港，但他表示他接受这是唯一可行的未来。

One of the first things, by the way, that he did when he found out about the law passing was change his Facebook profile back to his real name.

顺便说一句，当他发现这项法律通过后，他做的第一件事就是将他的 Facebook 个人资料改回真实姓名。

Now he feels protected from the mob.

现在他感到自己受到了保护，免受暴民的侵害。

Act 5, Nine Months Later.

第五幕，九个月后。

So as we've said, China's new national security law for Hong Kong went into effect this month.

正如我们所说，中国针对香港的新国家安全法已于本月生效。

Or if you want to get technical about it, one hour before the month began.

或者，如果您想了解相关技术信息，请在本月开始前一小时进行。

And two days into the month, I reached Jennifer, the protester that you heard in the first half of the show.

这个月的两天，我联系到了詹妮弗，你在节目前半部分听到的抗议者。

She told me that since we recorded her in the fall, protests have gotten a lot smaller, nothing like what we witnessed back then.

她告诉我，自从我们在秋天记录她以来，抗议活动已经变得小得多，与我们当时目睹的情况完全不同。

And she has kept protesting, she said, but less often, maybe once a month or so.

她说，她一直在抗议，但抗议的次数较少，可能一个月一次左右。

She told me that she had thought that China might crack down some day like this, like it did with the new law.

她告诉我，她曾以为中国有一天可能会像新法律那样进行严厉打击。

She just didn't expect it so soon.

只是她没想到这么快。

She thought they had years before any expression of dissent could be punished, like it can right now.

她认为他们还有很多年的时间才能像现在一样惩罚任何异议的表达。

The first thing that came into my mind was, oh my God.

我脑子里第一个想到的就是，天哪。

This is finally coming.

这终于来了。

And to be honest, it felt so-- it felt so hopeless and we could not do anything to stop this from happening anymore.

说实话，感觉如此——感觉如此绝望，我们无法采取任何措施来阻止这种情况再发生。

Yeah.

是的。

Have you noticed changes in the city already, like at restaurants and signs and posters and things like that?

您是否已经注意到这座城市的变化，例如餐馆、标牌、海报等？

So I am on my-- I just got off the bus.

所以我刚刚下车。

And I am walking on my way going back home.

而我，正走在回家的路上。

Now what I'm seeing on my way back to home, everywhere is hanging with China and also Hong Kong flag, with banners and posters around, saying-- supporting the national security law.

现在我回国的路上看到，到处都挂着中国国旗，还有香港国旗，到处都是横幅和海报，写着——支持国安法。

So that's what I've seen basically changing.

这就是我所看到的基本变化。

And the Chinese flag, was it there three days ago?

还有中国国旗，三天前还在吗？

I didn't see it yesterday.

我昨天没看到。

It wasn't there yesterday.

昨天不在那里。

But the Chinese flag was not there yesterday.

但昨天没有中国国旗。

And then now we have a lot of them there.

现在我们那里有很多这样的人。

Like they are trying to support the government's decision.

就像他们试图支持政府的决定一样。

Oh, just really like we cannot say anything against the government anymore.

哦，就像我们不能再对政府说任何反对的话了。

The side that is fighting against the government has to disappear.

与政府对抗的一方必须消失。

And then there will be only one opinion and one type of thinking in this city in the future.

那么未来这个城市就只有一种观点、一种思维。

So it is kind of sad, actually.

所以实际上这有点悲伤。

I think it really depends on what kind of the protest is for and how the security law will be implemented and used in the future.

我认为这实际上取决于抗议的性质以及将来如何实施和使用国安法。

I think it will still take me a period of time to observe how it is being actually taken into action.

我想我还需要一段时间来观察它实际上是如何付诸实施的。

I don't know what to say.

我不知道该说什么。

I don't want to give up at this moment yet.

此刻我还不想放弃。

I still hope that there will be a chance to change something.

我还是希望能有机会改变一些事情。

But then, for me, the law has passed for a day only.

但对我来说，这项法律只通过了一天。

And there are still many unknown variation.

而且还有很多未知的变异。

So deep down in my mind, I still wish to go out to protests to-- perhaps a chance to change something.

所以在我内心深处，我仍然希望出去抗议——也许是一个改变某些事情的机会。

But to be honest, I don't really have any idea if I could actually still go out in the future.

但说实话，我真的不知道以后还能不能出去。

How scared are you?

你有多害怕？

Jennifer Yeah, I feel like I am very scared right now.

詹妮弗 是的，我觉得我现在很害怕。

Because they are saying that for important case, they could actually skip Hong Kong's court.

因为他们说，对于重要案件，他们实际上可以跳过香港法院。

We could be directly sent to the mainland for their judiciary.

我们可以直接送到大陆接受他们的司法。

Right.

正确的。

Are there other parts of the law that worry you a lot?

法律还有其他部分让您非常担心吗？

Oh, there is one.

哦，有一个。

There is one that say Hong Kong veterans, even I am in other country, if I have said anything that could possibly divide-- I don't know if it is called dividing the country.

有人说，香港退伍军人，即使我身在异国，如果我说了一些可能分裂的话，我不知道这算不算分裂国家。

Like, saying something anti-government or anti-communist, I could still be illegal.

就像，说一些反政府或反共产主义的话，我仍然可能是非法的。

Yeah.

是的。

Jennifer There is something very abstract to me.

詹妮弗 对我来说有一些非常抽象的东西。

I don't really know how it is being defined and where is the line.

我真的不知道它是如何定义的以及界限在哪里。

And I don't know if I will cross the line, even without being noticing.

我不知道我是否会越界，即使没有注意到。

So that is something really I am afraid of as well.

所以这也是我真正害怕的事情。

Do you feel like the pro-democracy movement will come to an end very soon?

您是否觉得民运很快就会结束？

I think it will be.

我想会的。

I think it will be.

我想会的。

It is like a repeat of history, like the 4th of June.

这就像历史的重演，就像 6 月 4 日一样。

Yeah.

是的。

People fought very hard.

人们非常努力地战斗。

And then we had the Chinese government suppressing people using military force.

然后中国政府使用武力镇压人民。

And then for many years, 30, so many years later, you see there are so many people supporting the government, supporting the Chinese government already.

然后很多年了，30年了，很多年过去了，你看已经有很多人支持政府，支持中国政府了。

And I think this history will be repeating in Hong Kong as well.

我认为这段历史也将在香港重演。

Soon after our next generation, maybe we'll become those people supporting the government, like we are mocking right now.

过了不久，我们的下一代，也许我们就会成为那些支持政府的人，就像我们现在嘲笑的那样。

They will probably say, oh, support Chinese government.

他们可能会说，哦，支持中国政府。

Support communists.

支持共产党人。

They made our life good.

他们让我们的生活变得美好。

I want to leave Hong Kong if that day comes.

如果那一天到来，我想离开香港。

I wish I could leave Hong Kong.

我希望我能离开香港。

Yeah, do you think there's a chance you could?

是啊，你觉得你有机会吗？

I would try to, but I don't know how hard it will be.

我会尝试，但我不知道会有多难。

I need to check if I am eligible.

我需要检查一下我是否符合资格。

So that is really unknown for me right now, but I will be exploring the chance to do so.

所以现在这对我来说真的是未知的，但我会探索这样做的机会。

Do you have lots of friends who are leaving or trying to leave?

你有很多朋友要离开或试图离开吗？

Yeah, I do.

是的，我愿意。

My close co-workers, they are all planning migration to Australia, some planning to go to London.

我的亲密同事，他们都计划移民到澳大利亚，有些计划去伦敦。

And then some of my friends have decided to go to Canada already.

然后我的一些朋友已经决定去加拿大了。

Really quite a lot of people around me are leaving.

确实，我身边很多人都离开了。

Wow.

哇。

Jennifer Yeah, like everyone finding a way out of here.

詹妮弗 是的，就像每个人都想办法离开这里一样。

Do you have any feeling of relief?

你有没有一种如释重负的感觉？

Like, this has been going on for so long with no end in sight, but if this law kicks in, in the way that you're saying, now you're at a point where you could say, OK, we've done everything we can do.

就像，这种情况已经持续了很长时间，看不到结束的迹象，但如果这项法律生效，就像你所说的那样，现在你可以说，好吧，我们已经做了我们能做的一切。

It's impossible to do anything else.

做其他事是不可能的。

We know we're not going to make progress.

我们知道我们不会取得进展。

And we have to stop.

我们必须停下来。

Do you feel any relief from that?

你是否因此感到轻松一些？

No, it won't be.

不，不会的。

It can't be a relief because we are being suppressed so that we cannot speak.

这不可能是一种解脱，因为我们被压制得无法说话。

So that cannot be a relief.

所以这不能算是一种解脱。

That is something-- that is more a suppression, like even straight-toward suppression.

这更像是一种压制，甚至是直接的压制。

So that can't be a relief.

所以这不能算是一种解脱。

I'm asking that question because Emanuele talked to somebody in Hong Kong.

我问这个问题是因为伊曼纽尔和香港的某人交谈过。

And that's what they said.

他们就是这么说的。

They said, OK, well, if this is how it's going to end, well, at least it's a relief that it's over, you know?

他们说，好吧，好吧，如果事情就这样结束的话，好吧，至少事情结束了让人松了一口气，你知道吗？

Yeah, I do think that there are people thinking in this way.

是的，我确实认为有人有这样的想法。

But there is kind of-- we call it cooking a frog in the pot with warm water.

但有一种——我们称之为用温水在锅里煮青蛙。

I don't know how this-- that being described in English.

我不知道如何用英语描述这一点。

But then--

但接下来——

No, no, no, we have that same thing in English, yeah, where the water gets warmer and warmer.

不，不，不，我们在英语中也有同样的说法，是的，水变得越来越温暖。

Really?

真的吗？

Ira Glass Yeah, and then the frog--

艾拉·格拉斯 是的，然后是青蛙——

Oh.

哦。

Ira Glass --never really realizes, like, oh, I should get out of the pot.

Ira Glass——从来没有真正意识到，哦，我应该离开锅。

And then I've also read, maybe that's not even true.

然后我也读到，也许那不是真的。

Maybe frogs do jump out of the pot.

也许青蛙真的会从锅里跳出来。

Oh, but yeah.

哦，但是是的。

But then I do think that some people would think in this way.

但我确实认为有些人会这样想。

They would think, at least we've tried, something like that.

他们会认为，至少我们已经尝试过，类似的事情。

But for me, myself, that can't be a relief.

但对我自己来说，这并不能算是一种解脱。

If the movement ends, that is something that we want our next generation to remember.

如果运动结束，我们希望我们的下一代记住这一点。

This has actually happened in Hong Kong.

这在香港确实发生过。

So that can be a relief.

这样可以让人松一口气。

I will never feel relieved.

我永远不会感到释然。

In the fall, we talked about how it felt like there's this clock and this sort of 50-year countdown to Hong Kong losing its autonomy.

秋天，我们谈论了这个时钟和香港失去自治权 50 年倒计时的感觉。

Do you think by protesting, you've made this change happen faster than it would have happened?

您是否认为通过抗议，您使这种变化发生得比本来要发生的更快？

Mm, to be honest, I think maybe the majority was thinking the way that I am thinking, is that our rebellion would make the Chinese government not do anything because of the international views, international opinion, international support.

嗯,说实话,我想可能大多数人的想法和我的想法是一样的,就是我们的叛乱会让中国政府因为国际观点、国际舆论、国际支持而无所作为。

We thought that the movement would slow down the countdown.

我们认为这个动作会减慢倒计时。

None of us have expected that it will fasten it up.

我们谁也没想到它会固定它。

You started the movement to slow the countdown, and you didn't think it would make it go faster.

你开始这个动作是为了减慢倒计时，但你并不认为这会让倒计时走得更快。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

It was supposed to happen on the 50 years, like the 50th year.

它应该发生在第 50 年，就像第 50 年一样。

But then maybe with the Chinese government ambition, it was going to happen in the 40th year.

但也许按照中国政府的雄心，这将在第 40 年发生。

But then now, it's even earlier.

但现在，甚至更早了。

So that is totally out of expectation.

所以这完全出乎意料。

No, really.

不，真的。

I am not regret for doing it.

我并不后悔这样做。

Because we all knew that we were only fighting for that tiny chance.

因为我们都知道，我们只是在为那一点点机会而奋斗。

And even if we failed, at least we tried.

即使我们失败了，至少我们尝试过。

So it is really so sad.

所以这真的是太悲伤了。

We could not get what we wanted.

我们无法得到我们想要的东西。

The situation is even worse than the time that we started the whole movement.

情况比我们开始整个运动时还要糟糕。

But then everything we've been doing is now-- I cannot say it is wasted because this one year have changed many people, like in a good way or in a bad way.

但我们现在所做的一切——我不能说这是浪费，因为这一年改变了很多人，无论是好的方式还是坏的方式。

So I won't say it is wasted.

所以我不会说这是浪费。

The political scope in Hong Kong is totally changed, how people see each other, and then the society changed a lot.

香港的政治格局、人们看待彼此的方式、社会都发生了很大的变化。

So it's still worth it.

所以还是值得的。

And we have made a declaration to the world that we don't want the Chinese government to come.

我们已经向世界宣布，我们不希望中国政府来。

That is the statement that we are making.

这就是我们正在发表的声明。

Even though we failed, even though we are being controlled by the government, we still don't want to let others feel that we want it, we enjoy it.

即使我们失败了，尽管我们被政府控制，我们仍然不想让别人觉得我们想要它，我们享受它。

No, we don't.

不，我们不。

We fought against it.

我们与之抗争。

Just that we failed.

只是我们失败了。

So the world knows that we don't want it.

所以全世界都知道我们不想要它。

That's Jennifer in Hong Kong.

那是香港的詹妮弗。

I'm going to end our program today with a recording of the last protest that any of us attended with Jennifer.

我将以我们和詹妮弗一起参加的最后一次抗议活动的录音来结束今天的节目。

This was back in October in a soccer stadium, where she sang along with the protest anthem, "Glory to Hong Kong." This week, the song was banned from schools.

那是十月份的一个足球场，她在那里跟着抗议歌曲《愿荣光归香港》一起唱。本周，这首歌被学校禁止播放。

This is one of the movement's most popular slogans, "Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our times." Last week, chanting this slogan was declared illegal under the new law by the Hong Kong government.

这是该运动最受欢迎的口号之一：“解放香港，我们时代的革命”。上周，香港政府根据新法律宣布高喊这一口号为非法。

Credits Ira Glass Our program was produced today by Emanuele Berry and Diane Wu.

图片来源 Ira Glass 今天我们的节目由 Emanuele Berry 和 Diane Wu 制作。

Our brilliant field producer in Hong Kong was Yannie Chan.

我们在香港出色的现场制作人是陈彦妮。

Thanks to our interpreters, Flora Chung, Diana Chan, and Dominic Yang.

感谢我们的口译员 Flora Chung、Diana Chan 和 Dominic Yang。

The people who put together our show today includes Elna Baker, Susan Burton, Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Damien Grave, Michelle Harris, Jessica Lussenhop, Miki Meek, Lina Misitzis, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Rae Mondo, Ben Phelan, Nadia Reiman, Robyn Semien, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetala, and Matt Tierney.

今天节目的制作人包括 Elna Baker、Susan Burton、Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Damien Grave、Michelle Harris、Jessica Lussenhop、Miki Meek、Lina Misitzis、Stowe Nelson、Katherine Rae Mondo、Ben Phelan、Nadia Reiman、Robyn Semien、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetala 和 Matt Tierney。

Additional production by Noor Gill and Aviva DeKornfeld.

由诺尔·吉尔和阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德担任额外制作。

Our executive producer is David Kestenbaum.

我们的执行制片人是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。

Special thanks today to Dave Hill for the cover of the theme of the cops show, Armed Reaction.

今天特别感谢戴夫·希尔 (Dave Hill) 为警察节目《武装反应》主题做的封面。

And special thanks to Laurel Chor, Karen Cheung, Howard Wong, Noble Wong, Yu, Tse Sai Pei, Alanna Thiede, Jiayang Fan, and Martin Lee.

特别感谢 Laurel Chor、Karen Cheung、Howard Wong、Noble Wong、Yu、Tse Sai Pei、Alanna Thiede、Jiayang Fan 和 Martin Lee。

Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.

我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks as always to our problem's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们问题的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

You know, he'll never forget his first time on a carousel.

你知道，他永远不会忘记他第一次乘坐旋转木马的经历。

The way he tells the story, he gets on a horse and starts to go around.

他讲故事的方式是，他骑上马，开始四处走动。

At that moment, I suddenly realized, oh, we're actually very close to a revolution that could happen.

那一刻我突然意识到，哦，我们其实已经非常接近一场可能发生的革命了。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。