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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言：序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
It's been such an extraordinary and painful few weeks since the killing of George Floyd.
自从乔治·弗洛伊德被杀以来，这是一段非同寻常且痛苦的几周。
And we have a show today with people in scenes that we recorded this past week, trying to capture what this moment feels like and how different people are reacting and what they're doing.
今天我们有一个节目，人们在上周录制的场景中，试图捕捉这一刻的感觉以及不同的人的反应和他们正在做的事情。
And I know usually right here at the top of the show, I jump right in with some story.
我知道通常在节目的开头，我会直接讲一些故事。
But I think it actually captures what lots of people are feeling this week a lot better to start with this essay from one of our producers, Bim Adewunmi.
但我认为，从我们的制作人之一 Bim Adewunmi 的这篇文章开始，它实际上更好地体现了许多人本周的感受。
Here she is.
她在这里。
The year I came to live and work in America, 962 people were shot and killed by police across the country.
我来美国生活和工作的那一年，全国有 962 人被警察枪杀。
Or maybe the number was 1,093.
或者这个数字可能是 1,093。
It depends on who you ask about 2016.
这取决于你向谁询问 2016 年的情况。
One project that counted the dead found that black males aged 15 to 34 were nine times more likely than other Americans to be killed by law enforcement.
一项统计死亡人数的项目发现，15 岁至 34 岁的黑人男性被执法部门杀害的可能性是其他美国人的九倍。
In case you've become fuzzy on timelines, Michael Brown was shot by police in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014.
如果你对时间线感到模糊的话，迈克尔·布朗 (Michael Brown) 于 2014 年在密苏里州弗格森被警察枪杀。
Walter Scott was shot in the back by police in Charleston, South Carolina in 2015.
2015 年，沃尔特·斯科特 (Walter Scott) 在南卡罗来纳州查尔斯顿被警察从背部开枪射中。
In 2016, Alton Sterling was killed by police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
2016年，奥尔顿·斯特林在路易斯安那州巴吞鲁日被警察杀害。
And a day later, in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, police shot and killed Philando Castile, while he was in his car with his partner and her 4-year-old daughter.
一天后，在明尼苏达州法尔肯高地，警察开枪打死了菲兰多·卡斯蒂尔（Philando Castile），当时他和他的伴侣以及她 4 岁的女儿在车里。
Those last two incidents were recorded.
最后两起事件均被记录下来。
Both were viewed by the public at large.
两者都受到广大公众的关注。
At the time Sterling and Castile were killed in 2016, I'd been living in New York for four months.
2016 年斯特林和卡斯提尔被杀时，我已经在纽约生活了四个月。
I'd come to America to report on the presidential election campaigns with a wry British eye.
我来到美国是为了用英国人的扭曲眼光来报道总统竞选活动。
I no longer have the original text of my visa application, but I remember distinctly that it mentioned both the 19th century French social scientist Alexis de Tocqueville and the late British journalist Alistair Cooke.
我已经没有签证申请的原文了，但我清楚地记得它提到了19世纪法国社会科学家亚历克西斯·德·托克维尔和已故英国记者阿利斯泰尔·库克。
Both Alexis and Alistair were men of letters, operating in very different eras of American upheaval.
亚历克西斯和阿利斯泰尔都是文学家，他们生活在美国剧变的不同时代。
The aim of their writing was to help readers back home understand the unique American situation.
他们写作的目的是帮助国内读者了解美国的独特情况。
They were good names to put on a visa application.
这些名字很适合在签证申请中使用。
It indicated I knew my literary lineage.
这表明我了解自己的文学血统。
But the reality is that beyond the common ground of our jobs, I wasn't really like Alexis or Alistair and moved through the world differently.
但现实是，除了我们工作的共同点之外，我并不像亚历克西斯或阿利斯泰尔，并且以不同的方式生活在这个世界上。
I was a woman.
我是一个女人。
I was a Muslim.
我是一名穆斯林。
I was a child of working class immigrants, born to parents who themselves were born in an African country still under the yoke of the English monarchy.
我是工人阶级移民的孩子，我的父母也出生在仍处于英国君主制统治下的非洲国家。
And of course, I was black.
当然，我是黑人。
I still am.
我仍然是。
Thanks to the spread of empire, I'm no stranger to the project of colonization.
由于帝国的扩张，我对殖民计划并不陌生。
Of all the things I would be reporting on and experiencing firsthand in America, the subject of blackness was the thing with which I had the most literal, most lived experience.
在我在美国报道和亲身经历的所有事情中，黑人的主题是我有最真实、最生动的体验的事情。
British police have historically not used guns like their American counterparts.
英国警察历来没有像美国警察那样使用枪支。
But the history of disproportionate black deaths during and after interactions with police in the UK tells a familiar story.
但英国黑人在与警察互动期间和之后死亡比例过高的历史讲述了一个熟悉的故事。
The lyrics are different, but the melody is old and known to me.
歌词不同，但旋律对我来说是古老且熟悉的。
That's the horrible thing about this moment.
这就是这一刻的可怕之处。
I've been here before.
我以前来过这里。
And so when George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis on Memorial Day in the last week of May, I had a feeling of resigned deja vu.
因此，当五月最后一周的阵亡将士纪念日乔治·弗洛伊德在明尼阿波利斯被杀时，我有一种似曾相识的感觉。
Police had arrested a man, and then, less than a half hour later, that man was dead.
警察逮捕了一名男子，不到半小时后，该男子就死了。
The manner of it-- a cop's knee pressing down on his neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds-- felt like a stage play we'd all seen before.
它的方式——一名警察的膝盖压在他的脖子上长达八分四十六秒——感觉就像我们以前看过的舞台剧。
The fact that it had been recorded felt proper, like a sort of sacred practice.
它被记录下来的事实感觉很恰当，就像一种神圣的实践。
The mundane location of it was familiar, too-- a regular street suddenly transformed into an arena for public death.
它的平凡地点也很熟悉——一条普通的街道突然变成了公众死亡的竞技场。
The echo of some of Floyd's dying words eerily the same as Eric Garner's in 2014-- I can't breathe.
弗洛伊德临终前的一些话与 2014 年埃里克·加纳 (Eric Garner) 的遗言出奇地相似——我无法呼吸。
Even that felt like an on-the-nose rerun of a series called, How to Die in America.
即便如此，这感觉就像是《如何死在美国》系列剧的重播。
Almost every element of what happened next hit the exact beat it was supposed to.
接下来发生的事情几乎每一个元素都恰到好处地达到了预期的节奏。
The video of his life being snuffed out went viral.
他的生命被扼杀的视频在网上疯传。
Tabloid newspapers brought up his criminal past.
小报报道了他的犯罪经历。
Protests began the day after he was killed.
他被杀后的第二天，抗议活动就开始了。
Against police brutality, yes, but also against the organizing principle of colonialism in general, and explicitly against the ideology of white supremacy itself.
是的，反对警察的暴行，但也反对一般殖民主义的组织原则，并明确反对白人至上的意识形态本身。
And it wasn't just black people yelling.
不仅仅是黑人在喊叫。
Things shifted.
事情发生了变化。
Something was different.
有些东西不一样了。
By the end of the week, there were protests across the country-- all 50 states.
到本周末，全国 50 个州都爆发了抗议活动。
And a week after that, there had been protests in other countries, too.
一周后，其他国家也出现了抗议活动。
Last weekend, I watched protesters in the west of England topple the statue of Edward Colston, a Bristol man who made his fortune by trading in thousands of enslaved Africans.
上周末，我看到英格兰西部的抗议者推倒了爱德华·科尔斯顿的雕像，爱德华·科尔斯顿是布里斯托尔人，通过买卖数千名被奴役的非洲人发家致富。
After kneeling on the supine statue's neck, protesters rolled it down the street, before tipping it into the Bristol Harbour.
抗议者跪在仰卧雕像的脖子上后，将其滚到街上，然后将其扔进布里斯托尔港。
My London friends sent me videos and photos of protests they had attended, while doing their best to maintain social distancing.
我的伦敦朋友向我发送了他们参加抗议活动的视频和照片，同时尽力保持社交距离。
As someone on Twitter put it, I can't believe corona blew a 28-3 lead to racism.
正如 Twitter 上某人所说，我不敢相信科罗娜以 28-3 的领先优势毁掉了种族主义。
The day after George Floyd was killed, I quit Twitter because of my propensity for doom scrolling.
乔治·弗洛伊德被杀的第二天，我退出了 Twitter，因为我倾向于滚动末日。
I knew my right thumb would be in constant, endless motion, eating up breaking news that would later crystallize into insomnia and migraines.
我知道我的右手拇指会不停地、无休止地运动，吞噬突发新闻，这些新闻后来会导致失眠和偏头痛。
But even on Instagram, it was a wall of George Floyd content.
但即使在 Instagram 上，这也是乔治·弗洛伊德内容的墙。
Suddenly, I was overwhelmed with graphics and photos and links to bail funds and that uniquely American habit-- crowdfunding.
突然，我被图形、照片、保释基金链接和美国独有的习惯——众筹淹没了。
On pastel-colored digital easels, people wrote anti-racist quotes from Angela Davis and Ijeoma Oluo.
人们在色彩柔和的数字画架上写下了安吉拉·戴维斯和伊杰玛·奥罗的反种族主义名言。
Artists created tributes to people like 26-year-old Breonna Taylor, who was killed in her own home in Louisville, Kentucky back in March, and Tony McDade, a trans man killed in Tallahassee.
艺术家们向 26 岁的布雷娜·泰勒 (Breonna Taylor) 和托尼·麦克达德 (Tony McDade) 等人致敬，前者于 3 月份在肯塔基州路易斯维尔的自己家中被杀，后者是在塔拉哈西被杀的跨性别者。
There were guides on everything, from how to dress and prepare for a protest in the age of coronavirus to the specifics of raising truly anti-racist children.
一切都有指南，从如何在冠状病毒时代着装和准备抗议，到抚养真正反种族主义儿童的具体细节。
My favorite-- or least favorite-- genre of these is the one that teaches non-black people how to be people in this moment.
我最喜欢（或者最不喜欢）的类型是教导非黑人如何在此时此刻做人的类型。
Posts with headings like, "Here's what to say to your black friends," or, "Check in on your black friends," were seemingly everywhere.
标题为“这是要对你的黑人朋友说的话”或“检查你的黑人朋友”的帖子似乎无处不在。
After that first weekend of protests, I got a text in one of my group chats from a black friend.
在抗议的第一个周末之后，我在群聊中收到了一位黑人朋友发来的短信。
"Have either of you gotten texts from white people this weekend," she wrote.
“这个周末你们有收到白人发来的短信吗？”她写道。
"Yes," we both replied.
“是的，”我们都回答道。
We all shared a dark laugh.
我们都暗暗笑了。
Black people have been dying in America and elsewhere for so long.
长期以来，美国和其他地方的黑人一直在死亡。
What's so different about now?
现在有什么不同？
That first weekend, I kept asking myself this.
第一个周末，我一直问自己这个问题。
What's making white people care now?
现在是什么让白人关心？
I keep looking to see what I've missed.
我一直在寻找我错过的东西。
What was the thing that's making brands draw these lines now?
是什么让品牌现在划定了界限？
What makes babynames.com dedicate its landing page to listing black victims of police violence, along with the note, "Each one of these names was somebody's baby.
是什么让babynames.com 将其登陆页面专门列出了警察暴力的黑人受害者，并附有注释：“这些名字中的每一个都是某人的孩子。
Babynames.com stands in solidarity with the black community."
Babynames.com 与黑人社区团结一致。”
What is compelling people, a lot of them white, to stand up for the first time and proclaim that it's time to do something?
是什么促使人们（其中很多是白人）第一次站起来并宣布是时候做点什么了？
How is it that I have read more proposals for defunding and abolishing the police in the last two weeks than over the course of the last two years?
为什么我在过去两周内读到的关于撤资和废除警察的提案比过去两年还多？
What's making people in small towns across America, from Lewistown, Montana to Bad Axe, Michigan, get up and protest now?
是什么让美国各地小镇的人们，从蒙大拿州刘易斯敦到密歇根州巴德阿克斯，现在站起来抗议？
If Sandra Bland didn't do it, if Eric Garner didn't do it, if Atatiana Jefferson didn't do it, if Aiyana Stanley-Jones didn't do it, how is the death of George Floyd the thing that moves the needle?
如果桑德拉·布兰德没有这样做，如果埃里克·加纳没有这样做，如果阿蒂亚娜·杰斐逊没有这样做，如果艾亚娜·斯坦利·琼斯没有这样做，那么乔治·弗洛伊德的死怎么会成为推动这一事件的因素呢？
I can't think of an easy answer.
我想不出一个简单的答案。
It's not because he was seven years old, like Aiyana Stanley-Jones was.
这并不是因为他像艾亚娜·斯坦利-琼斯那样只有七岁。
It's not because he was a 12-year-old boy, like Tamir Rice was.
这并不是因为他像塔米尔·赖斯那样是一个 12 岁的男孩。
It's not because he was an award-winning EMT who tweeted that 2020 would be her year, like Breonna Taylor was.
这并不是因为他是一位屡获殊荣的急救医生，她在推特上表示 2020 年将是她的一年，就像布伦娜·泰勒 (Breonna Taylor) 那样。
So the next likely answer is that it's as simple as the effect of accumulation.
因此，下一个可能的答案是，它就像积累的效应一样简单。
Finally, there are enough dirty clothes in the hamper to justify putting on a load of laundry.
最后，篮子里有足够多的脏衣服，足以存放大量衣物。
Maybe the increased visibility of the stark differences between the haves and have-nots over the last few years has produced a populace ready to be pushed into the hitherto radical lane of thought that suggests, actually, black lives do matter.
也许在过去几年里，富人和穷人之间的明显差异日益明显，已经让民众准备好被推入迄今激进的思想轨道，表明黑人的生命确实很重要。
Maybe the activists finally broke through.
也许激进分子终于突破了。
Who can say?
谁能说一下？
A part of me wants white people at large to feel deeply ashamed.
我内心的一部分希望广大白人感到深深的羞耻。
This is entry level.
这是入门级。
Stop killing us.
别再杀我们了。
This is basic.
这是基本的。
If the killing of George Floyd could unleash this tidal wave of demonstration, what was stopping you before?
如果乔治·弗洛伊德之死能够引发这波示威浪潮，那么之前是什么阻止了你呢？
He's as meaningful as any other victim of police violence, named or unnamed here today.
他和今天在这里的任何其他警察暴力受害者一样有意义，无论是有名的还是无名的。
You could have harnessed all this energy 15, 20, 200, 500, 1,000 deaths ago.
在 15、20、200、500、1,000 人死亡之前，你就可以利用所有这些能量。
But that didn't happen.
但那并没有发生。
And so when I ask the question, why now, the truth is that I don't really care.
所以当我问为什么现在这个问题时，事实是我真的不在乎。
All these white people newly attuned to this frequency the rest of us know so well.
所有这些白人新近适应了我们其他人都非常熟悉的这个频率。
I told a friend that I wanted everyone to do their belated learning far away from me.
我告诉一个朋友，我希望每个人都能在远离我的地方进行迟来的学习。
I don't want to see how anyone is carrying the one.
我不想看到有人如何携带它。
I don't want to teach anyone.
我不想教任何人。
I have no office hours.
我没有办公时间。
I don't want to know what triggered your come to Jesus moment.
我不想知道是什么触发了你来到耶稣面前的那一刻。
I have no interest in seeing how the sausage gets made.
我没有兴趣看看香肠是如何制作的。
I just want to rock up to the table and enjoy my breakfast.
我只想摇摇晃晃地走到餐桌旁享受我的早餐。
I know what's different for me.
我知道对我来说有什么不同。
I'm angrier now.
我现在更生气了。
I think of what parents say about how their hearts grow bigger after a second child, instead of having to share the love they already feel.
我想起父母们所说的，在生了第二个孩子后，他们的心变得更大，而不是必须分享他们已经感受到的爱。
That's me.
这就是我。
But instead of love, it's rage.
但不是爱，而是愤怒。
I find that this time, I am furious.
我发现，这一次，我愤怒了。
That's what's different.
这就是不同之处。
Bim Adewunmi is one of the producers of our show.
Bim Adewunmi 是我们节目的制作人之一。
[MUSIC - "BREATHING WHILE BLACK" BY MONONEON]
[音乐 - MONONEON 的《黑色呼吸》]
Act Two, Before Sunrise.
第二幕，日出之前。
So one night, recently, one of our producers, Diane Wu, stopped by Mr. Mango, which is a corner grocery in New York City.
最近的一个晚上，我们的制作人之一黛安·吴 (Diane Wu) 拜访了纽约市街角的一家杂货店 Mr. Mango。
It's two or three blocks from the Barclays Center, where lots of the big New York City protests have happened.
它距离巴克莱中心两三个街区，纽约市许多大型抗议活动都在那里发生。
And it's just down the street from Brooklyn Hospital, which has been hard hit treating coronavirus patients in these last few months-- New York, of course, the epicenter of coronavirus cases in this country.
它就在布鲁克林医院的街道上，该医院在过去几个月里治疗冠状病毒患者的工作受到了严重打击——当然，纽约是这个国家冠状病毒病例的中心。
Mr. Mango is a 24-hour grocery store that has stayed open through the city's shutdown, through the curfew.
Mr. Mango 是一家 24 小时杂货店，在城市关闭和宵禁期间一直营业。
It is an intersection that all kinds of people pass through.
这是一个各种人都会经过的十字路口。
And that particular night that Diane was there, protesters were singing "Happy Birthday" to Breonna Taylor at a little plaza across the street.
黛安在那里的那天晚上，抗议者在街对面的一个小广场上向布伦娜·泰勒唱“生日快乐”。
A woman in scrubs at the store was FaceTiming somebody about onions.
店里一位穿着手术服的女士正在通过视频与某人谈论洋葱。
Cop cars pulled up.
警车停了下来。
And standing there, watching all of this, during this intense moment we're all living through, where race and justice and survival are at the forefront of everything, Diane wondered what were all these different people thinking in this quiet little grocery store.
站在那里，看着这一切，在我们都经历的这个紧张时刻，种族、正义和生存是一切的最前沿，黛安想知道这些不同的人在这个安静的小杂货店里在想什么。
So she went back the next night-- it was this past Saturday night, June 6-- with a microphone and with our co-worker, Lina Misitzis.
于是她第二天晚上——也就是上周六晚上，即 6 月 6 日——带着麦克风和我们的同事 Lina Misitzis 一起回去了。
They stayed all night, until 5:00 in the morning, talked to dozens of people.
他们待了一夜，直到凌晨5:00，与数十人交谈。
And they put this next story together.
他们将下一个故事放在一起。
Usually, I just want to say, we do not point out the race of the people that we talk to on the radio, unless there's some particular reason.
通常，我只想说，除非有特殊原因，否则我们不会指出我们在广播中交谈的人的种族。
But race is the context for so many interactions, including the ones at the store, that in this story, we're going to identify the race or nationality of everybody who you're going to hear.
但种族是许多互动的背景，包括商店里的互动，因此在这个故事中，我们将识别您将要听到的每个人的种族或国籍。
OK, here's Diane.
好的，这是黛安。
We got to Mr. Mango just before the city's 8:00 PM curfew.
我们在该市晚上 8:00 宵禁之前到达 Mango 先生。
Inside, it was crowded and serious.
里面人头攒动，气氛严肃。
People were shopping silently, trying to keep a distance, trying to move fast and get out of the store and get home by 8:00.
人们默默地购物，试图保持距离，试图快速移动并在 8:00 之前离开商店回家。
A police helicopter buzzed overhead.
一架警用直升机在头顶嗡嗡作响。
Mr. Mango is a small grocery store with inexpensive produce out front and a mix of regular and bougie groceries inside.
Mr. Mango 是一家小杂货店，前面出售廉价的农产品，里面出售普通杂货和杂货。
They have 35 kinds of honey, but also dollar pineapples.
他们有35种蜂蜜，还有一元菠萝。
The cashiers were hurriedly checking everyone out from an island in the middle of the store.
收银员在商店中间的一个小岛上匆匆检查每个人的情况。
Once curfew kicked in, things relaxed.
宵禁开始后，一切都放松了。
Like, all the anxious rule followers had cleared out.
就好像，所有焦虑的规则追随者都散场了。
The regulars started filtering in-- neighborhood people, essential workers.
常客开始过滤——社区居民、重要工作人员。
A white guy in pajama pants came in to buy a corkscrew.
一个穿着睡裤的白人进来买一个开瓶器。
Chan, who's Thai and manages the restaurant three doors down, he came in after his shift ended at 10:00 to pick up some pita chips for his husband.
Chan 是泰国人，经营着三扇门外的餐厅，他在 10:00 下班后进来，为他的丈夫买了一些皮塔饼。
The curfew had actually been good for business.
宵禁实际上对生意有利。
When it's next to 8:00, people were so afraid that they will have to stuck at home or something, so a lot of delivery is going to happen around that time, yeah.
临近 8:00 时，人们非常害怕自己不得不被困在家里或其他什么地方，所以在那个时间附近将会发生大量的送货，是的。
How many tonight?
今晚有多少个？
Chan Tonight, we hit, like, 3,000.
Chan 今晚，我们达到了 3,000 点。
$3,000, which is 50% more than usual, he told me.
他告诉我，3000 美元，比平常多了 50%。
Devon, a black man who lives around the corner, stopped by in a camo facemask to pick up some ice and cups.
住在街角的黑人德文戴着迷彩面罩过来买了一些冰块和杯子。
He was hanging out with a friend from Jersey that night.
那天晚上他和一位来自泽西岛的朋友一起出去玩。
Yeah, with all this going on, I need something to unwind a little bit.
是的，随着这一切的发生，我需要一些东西来放松一下。
But this has been rough, this world right now-- everything that's going on.
但现在这个世界很艰难，一切都在发生。
No basketball season, no sports.
没有篮球赛季，就没有体育运动。
My daughter can't graduate high school.
我女儿高中毕业不了
Couldn't have a graduation.
无法毕业。
Only great thing about this thing, my grandson is born now.
这件事唯一伟大的是，我的孙子现在出生了。
Wow, congratulations.
哇，恭喜。
Devon One month old.
德文郡 一个月大。
I'm sorry for people who lost death, but my daughter's happy.
我为那些失去死亡的人感到遗憾，但我的女儿很高兴。
My grandson is home.
我的孙子在家。
They're safe.
他们很安全。
The ice he was carrying to the register, actually, was for a toast for baby Thurmond.
事实上，他带到收银台的冰块是为小瑟蒙德干杯的。
One group of regulars was hard to get to talk, because they were either rushing to work or exhausted-- the hospital workers.
一群常客很难说话，因为他们要么赶着去上班，要么精疲力竭——医院的工作人员。
Everyone else had moved on to the new crisis, but they were still very much inside the previous one.
其他人都已经进入了新的危机，但他们仍然深陷前一场危机之中。
A black woman on the hospital cleaning crew, Bernice, talked to me for one minute and 24 seconds while she shopped, and wasted none of it.
医院清洁工的一位黑人妇女伯妮斯 (Bernice) 在购物时和我聊了 1 分 24 秒，而且没有浪费任何时间。
Because of this coronavirus, I've been working for the last 96 days.
由于这种冠状病毒，我在过去 96 天里一直在工作。
And then you got these people out here protesting, which I'm all for that, but they're going about the wrong way with the burning buildings and stores.
然后你让这些人在这里抗议，我完全赞成，但他们在焚烧建筑物和商店方面走错了路。
And people got to survive, you know.
人们必须生存，你知道。
This is your neighborhood.
这是你的邻居。
You shouldn't be doing stuff like that.
你不应该做那样的事情。
You know, you've got to do it the right way.
你知道，你必须以正确的方式去做。
But that's just my opinion.
但这只是我的意见。
And I'm delirious and I'm tired right now, so I'm about to go.
我现在神志不清，也很累，所以我要走了。
I'm actually walking slowly by slowly, taking it step by step.
我其实是慢慢地走着，一步一步走着。
I am, like, burnt out, drained.
我就像，精疲力尽，筋疲力尽。
I don't know what to say anymore.
我不知道该说什么了。
Just go to work and just pray that the same way you leave there, you come back home that way.
只要去上班，祈祷你能以同样的方式离开那里，也能以同样的方式回家。
That's all I can say, mama.
我只能说这么多，妈妈。
You be careful.
你要小心。
Have a good night.
祝你晚安。
I gots to go.
我得走了。
At the cashier's island, there's Ronny, who's new at Mr. Mango.
收银台上有罗尼，他是芒果先生的新员工。
He just started working here this week.
他这周刚开始在这里工作。
He's Latino, from Guatemala.
他是拉丁裔，来自危地马拉。
And Dorje, the longtime overnight cashier, gracious and calm.
还有多杰，长期值班的收银员，和蔼而冷静。
Dorje is from Bhutan.
多杰来自不丹。
He's the quiet center of gravity of the whole store and does not want to be on the radio.
他是整个商店安静的重心，并且不想出现在广播中。
Every time I swing the microphone in his direction, he leans back and puts his hands up to protect himself from it.
每次我将麦克风朝他的方向转动时，他都会向后靠并举起双手以保护自己免受麦克风的伤害。
Once the mic is safely out of sight, though, he's happy to talk.
不过，一旦麦克风安全地离开视线，他就会很乐意讲话。
After I interview any of his regulars, Dorje helpfully fills in the details.
在我采访了他的任何一位常客后，多杰帮助我填写了详细信息。
That guy is a really hard worker.
那家伙真是一个努力的人。
They come almost every day after a long day.
经过漫长的一天后，他们几乎每天都会来。
They used to buy Corona, but after coronavirus, they started getting a different beer.
他们曾经购买科罗娜啤酒，但在冠状病毒爆发后，他们开始购买不同的啤酒。
One of the regulars, Schecter, who's Asian, tells me that Mr. Mango is his favorite store in his whole life.
其中一位亚裔常客谢克特告诉我，芒果先生是他一生中最喜欢的商店。
And the reason is Dorje and the other night cashier, Karma, who's off tonight.
原因是 Dorje 和前一天晚上的收银员 Karma，他今晚不在。
Last year, I had a bad year.
去年，我度过了糟糕的一年。
Everything started to fall apart.
一切都开始崩溃。
In my worst moments, I would come here at midnight or 1:00 in the morning and just be with them.
在我最糟糕的时刻，我会在午夜或凌晨 1:00 来到这里，和他们在一起。
And I found out that I wasn't the only one.
我发现我并不是唯一一个这样的人。
Ever since the pandemic, Dorje has been working more-- 72 hours a week.
自疫情爆发以来，Dorje 的工作时间增加了——每周 72 小时。
He's tired.
他累了。
Tomorrow is his day off.
明天是他的休息日。
As it gets later, around midnight, the mood at Mr. Mango shifts.
随着时间的推移，午夜左右，芒果先生的气氛发生了变化。
Some of the energy outside filters in.
外界的一些能量会过滤进来。
Lina tells what happens next.
莉娜讲述了接下来发生的事情。
Protesters keep turning up.
抗议者不断出现。
A sunburned couple, white, holding hands on their way home from a rally.
一对晒伤的白人夫妇手牵着手在结束集会回家的路上。
They buy ice cream, beer, and lemons.
他们买冰淇淋、啤酒和柠檬。
Patrick, an older black man with long hair and a beard to match, he'd been out protesting, too.
帕特里克是一位年长的黑人，留着长发和与之相配的胡须，他也曾出去抗议。
Wanted to grab a snack before turning in.
想在睡觉前吃点零食。
He bought one pineapple.
他买了一个菠萝。
And then these protesters-- I call them Josh and Katie.
然后这些抗议者——我称他们为乔什和凯蒂。
They seemed about 30, both of them white.
他们看起来大约30岁，都是白人。
She had long red hair, and he had knuckle tattoos, but he refused to show them to us-- for his own protection, he said, and because he didn't want to put himself as an individual ahead of the movement.
她有一头红色的长发，他的指关节上有纹身，但他拒绝向我们展示——他说，这是为了保护自己，也是因为他不想让自己作为一个个体走在这场运动的前面。
Do you like persimmons?
你喜欢柿子吗？
Josh Not really.
乔什 不是。
I just don't like them that much.
我只是不太喜欢他们。
I don't know why.
我不知道为什么。
I never really liked them that much.
我从来没有那么喜欢过他们。
You're getting started.
你要开始了。
Josh But I like them.
乔什但我喜欢它们。
You know I eat anything.
你知道我什么都吃。
Josh and Katie told Diane they'd spent the day marching all over Brooklyn.
乔什和凯蒂告诉黛安，他们花了一天时间在布鲁克林各地游行。
Went through Flatbush, Crown Heights, Bedstuy, and then back up here to Barclays.
穿过弗拉特布什、皇冠高地、贝德斯图伊，然后回到巴克莱银行。
You sound a little tired.
你听起来有点累。
Josh I was locked up for a long time after one of the recent violent assaults on a protest in one of the outer boroughs.
最近，在一个外围行政区的一次抗议活动中，乔什一世 (Josh I) 遭遇了一次暴力袭击，之后被关押了很长时间。
Yeah.
是的。
Lina Misitzis Josh kept talking about what he called movement moments.
莉娜·米西兹·乔什 (Lina Misitzis Josh) 一直在谈论他所谓的运动时刻。
Katie focused on shopping for fruit.
凯蒂专注于购买水果。
They have the best fruit.
他们有最好的水果。
They have plantains.
他们有车前草。
They have litchis.
他们有荔枝。
They have soursop.
他们有刺果番荔枝。
They have star fruit.
他们有杨桃。
They have mamey.
他们有妈妈。
They have things you don't see in America.
他们有你在美国看不到的东西。
I mean, you know, these guys are the real deal.
我的意思是，你知道，这些人是货真价实的。
What's going on?
这是怎么回事？
Diane Wu What's going on?
吴黛安 这是怎么回事？
What just happened?
刚刚发生了什么？
Lina Misitzis What happened was a couple NYPD walked into Mr. Mango, and Josh and Katie immediately reacted.
Lina Misitzis 发生的事情是一对纽约警察夫妇走进了芒果先生，乔什和凯蒂立即做出了反应。
Josh very dramatically stopped talking, wrapped a scarf around his face, so that all that were showing were his eyes.
乔什戏剧性地停止说话，用一条围巾围住他的脸，这样露出来的就只有他的眼睛。
He looked like a mummy, who was also an anarchist.
他看起来像个木乃伊，同时也是个无政府主义者。
He crept away, picked up some tofu, and held it like a prop and glanced back at the police.
他蹑手蹑脚地走开，捡起一些豆腐，把它当作道具一样握住，回头看了警察一眼。
Meanwhile, I went and talked to the officers, one white, the other Dominican.
与此同时，我去和警察交谈，其中一名是白人，另一名是多米尼加人。
What are you guys here for?
你们来这里干什么？
Officer Rodriguez Just buying snacks.
罗德里格斯警官 刚买零食。
Snacks and water.
零食和水。
Officer Rodriguez I got water and pretzels.
罗德里格斯警官 我拿了水和椒盐卷饼。
I got some water.
我拿了一些水。
Lina Misitzis While I was talking to the police, Josh and Katie moved to the back of the store, where they accidentally knocked over some toilet paper.
当我和警察谈话时，莉娜·米西齐斯 (Lina Misitzis) 和乔什 (Josh) 和凯蒂 (Katie) 走到商店后面，不小心打翻了一些卫生纸。
The whole thing is pretty conspicuous.
整个事情非常引人注目。
But they didn't want to be near the NYPD, which the cops definitely noticed, but they didn't care.
但他们不想靠近纽约警察局，警察肯定注意到了这一点，但他们不在乎。
It doesn't bother me at all.
这根本不困扰我。
Lina Misitzis Wait, because you're used to it?
Lina Misitzis 等等，因为你已经习惯了？
But sometimes we get appreciation, too, you know?
但有时我们也会得到赞赏，你知道吗？
It goes both ways.
这是双向的。
Officer Rodriguez We get both, you know?
罗德里格斯警官 我们两者都有，你知道吗？
Both ways, yeah.
两种方式，是的。
Lina Misitzis Did you get appreciation today?
Lina Misitzis 今天你受到赞赏了吗？
That no was coming from Josh.
这句话是乔什说的。
He's listening to our conversation.
他正在听我们的谈话。
Officer Rodriguez heard him, rolled his eyes.
罗德里格斯警官听到他的话，翻了个白眼。
Yeah, but that's the same guy that when he's getting robbed or something, he's going to call 911.
是的，但这就是同一个人，当他被抢劫或发生什么事情时，他会拨打 911。
And he's going to expect us to show up.
他会期待我们出现。
You get what I'm saying?
你明白我在说什么吗？
So.
所以。
The officers pay for their water and pretzels, tell me they have to get back to work.
警察们付了水和椒盐卷饼的钱，告诉我他们必须回去工作了。
They're on patrol duty.
他们正在执行巡逻任务。
I walk out with them, and when I get back, Josh has uncovered his face.
我和他们一起出去，当我回来时，乔什已经揭开了他的脸。
He's talking about Standing Rock.
他说的是立岩。
When you've seen him shoot down Americans and natives at Standing Rock with four different jurisdictions at once in every brutal way they can--
当你看到他在四个不同管辖区的立岩镇以各种残酷的方式同时射杀美国人和当地人时——
Wait, can I tell you what he said about you?
等等，我可以告诉你他对你说了什么吗？
What did he say?
他说什么？
Lina Misitzis I asked if it upset him that you wouldn't step up to pay until he was gone, and he said no, but when he gots robbed, he's going to call 911 and expect us to help him.
Lina Misitzis 我问他是否会因为在他离开之前你不肯付钱而感到不安，他说不会，但是当他被抢劫时，他会拨打 911 并希望我们帮助他。
I don't call the cops.
我不报警。
Lina Misitzis You haven't-- you don't call 911.
Lina Misitzis：你没有——你没有拨打 911。
I never call it for any reason whatsoever.
我从来不以任何理由称呼它。
Everything can be handled within a community-- every possible situation you can come up with.
一切都可以在社区内处理——你能想到的每一种可能的情况。
Does it make sense to you why he would have said that, though?
你觉得他为什么这么说有道理吗？
Yeah, because he's been acculturated to a system which believes that we will always need policing, no matter what, even though it's an advent of the 18th century.
是的，因为他已经适应了这样一种体系，这种体系相信我们永远需要警察，无论如何，即使这是 18 世纪的到来。
Wait, are you saying a rehearsed speech?
等等，你是说一场排练过的演讲吗？
My entire life is dedicated to the destruction of the police and the American empire.
我的一生都致力于摧毁警察和美利坚帝国。
I'm speaking off the cuff because this is what I think about all day long.
我是即兴发言，因为这是我一整天都在想的事情。
Another protester came in soon after Josh and Katie.
乔什和凯蒂之后不久，另一名抗议者也进来了。
She was also skeptical of the police.
她也对警方持怀疑态度。
Her tactic, though, was pretty different.
不过，她的策略却截然不同。
This was a white protester I noticed in front of the sliced cheeses, animatedly chatting up a black police officer.
我注意到这是一名白人抗议者，站在奶酪片前，与一名黑人警察热情地聊天。
She was asking him questions, which he seemed to be answering.
她在问他问题，他似乎也在回答。
This was a kind of conversation I hadn't heard yet, and so I walked over.
这是一种我还没有听过的对话，所以我走了过去。
Lieutenant Maurice Walston was wearing an upper rank officer's white shirt.
莫里斯·沃尔斯顿中尉穿着高级军官的白衬衫。
Brianna was holding a green juice.
布丽安娜手里拿着一杯绿色果汁。
She was on her way home from drinks with her friend after protesting all day.
经过一整天的抗议后，她正在和朋友喝酒后回家的路上。
And I appreciate you just talking to me.
我很感激你刚才跟我说话。
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's-- I mean, absolutely.
是的，是的，是的，我的意思是，绝对如此。
Officer Walston, I really appreciate this conversation just in general.
沃尔斯顿警官，总的来说，我真的很欣赏这次谈话。
Yep, no problem.
是的，没问题。
And I appreciate it as well.
我也很感激。
And again, it should be everyone's right that no one should be able to-- no one should fear police interactions like this.
再说一遍，每个人都有权利，但没有人能够这样做——没有人应该害怕这样的警察互动。
We should all--
我们都应该——
I don't.
我不知道。
Maurice Walston No, I know that.
莫里斯·沃尔斯顿：不，我知道。
But I'm sure--
但我确信——
But that's my privilege, right?
但这是我的特权，对吗？
I don't have to.
我不需要。
Lieutenant Walston doesn't want to talk about her privilege.
沃尔斯顿中尉不想谈论她的特权。
Well, I can tell you this.
好吧，我可以告诉你这一点。
When I deal with even people of my race, I give them the same respect that I give to you.
当我与我的种族的人打交道时，我会像对待你一样尊重他们。
And that's just across the board.
这只是全面的。
I'm sure you do.
我相信你会的。
That's not the question, right?
这不是问题，对吧？
You're an officer of color.
你是一名有色人种军官。
But that's your question.
但这是你的问题。
You have a different question, right.
你有一个不同的问题，对吧。
That is my question, yes, but I've been-- this is not my first conversation with a police officer tonight.
是的，这是我的问题，但这不是我今晚第一次与警察交谈。
No, I understand.
不，我明白。
No, I get it.
不，我明白了。
I understand.
我明白。
It's a really awkward conversation to watch.
这是一场看起来非常尴尬的对话。
She keeps making big statements about policing, ending with, "Right?"
她不断发表有关警务的重要声明，最后以“对吗？”结束。
It's not an isolated event here or there, right?
这不是这里或那里的孤立事件，对吧？
It's a systemic problem.
这是一个系统性问题。
I have this general sense that people who go to be police officers generally have a power issue.
我有这样的普遍感觉：当警察的人通常都会面临权力问题。
Right?
正确的？
Either it's a power issue, or they want to help people.
要么是权力问题，要么他们想帮助别人。
And in my mind, it's one or the other.
在我看来，这是其中之一。
I think generally, most people become police officers to help people.
我认为一般来说，大多数人成为警察是为了帮助别人。
And of course, it's hard to get Lieutenant Walston to agree with what seems to be her central premise, that there's something fundamentally wrong with his job.
当然，很难让沃尔斯顿中尉同意她的核心前提，即他的工作存在根本性的问题。
But ultimately, when police are called in on peacekeeping missions, violence ensues, right?
但最终，当警察被派去执行维和任务时，暴力就会随之而来，对吗？
See, there are times when we get called, and violence has already occurred or violence is there.
看，有时当我们接到电话时，暴力已经发生或暴力已经存在。
And that's the majority of the times why we're getting called to these emergency situations.
这就是大多数时候我们被叫去处理这些紧急情况的原因。
Lieutenant Walston told me later that people who don't have as many interactions with the police often fill the vacuum with the worst images they see in the news, not anything based on their own experiences.
沃尔斯顿中尉后来告诉我，那些与警方没有那么多互动的人经常用他们在新闻中看到的最糟糕的图片来填补真空，而不是任何基于自己经历的东西。
His strategy during this conversation, he told me, was first to mostly just listen.
他告诉我，他在这次谈话中的策略是首先只是倾听。
But when she told him she knew what it was like to be in the minority because she'd lived as a white person in Oakland, he realized the depth of her misconceptions.
但当她告诉他，因为她作为白人生活在奥克兰，所以她知道成为少数派是什么感觉时，他意识到她的误解有多深。
But since she seemed so adamant, he wasn't out to change them.
但既然她看起来如此坚定，他也不想改变他们。
When we talked to Brianna later, she said she wasn't expecting to change anything about his beliefs.
当我们后来与布丽安娜交谈时，她说她不希望改变他的信仰。
It just felt important to say what she thought.
只是觉得说出她的想法很重要。
Toward the end of their 20-minute conversation, there is a moment where she asks for his advice.
在他们 20 分钟的谈话即将结束时，有一刻她向他征求建议。
She asks, do you have kids?
她问，你有孩子吗？
Yeah, I do.
是的，我愿意。
I have twins.
我有双胞胎。
Brianna I have a four-year-old son.
布莱恩娜 我有一个四岁的儿子。
He's biracial.
他是混血儿。
And I'm trying to figure out how to tell him he presents as white.
我正在想办法告诉他他是白人。
He looks white.
他看起来很白。
But he's not white, right?
但他不是白人，对吧？
So how do you talk to a biracial kid about racism?
那么你如何与混血儿谈论种族主义呢？
Right, no, I understand.
是的，不，我明白。
Brianna How do you talk to your black kids about police brutality?
布莱恩娜 你如何与你的黑人孩子谈论警察的暴行？
They're also biracial, so I'm honest with them.
他们也是混血儿，所以我对他们很诚实。
That's the only way you can be.
这是你唯一能做的事。
Be honest, and--
说实话，而且——
Well, honestly looks like me, in part.
嗯，老实说，有一部分看起来像我。
Tell them that there are officers like me out there, you know?
告诉他们外面有像我这样的军官，你知道吗？
Do you also have to tell them there's officers that's not like you?
您是否还必须告诉他们有些官员与您不同？
Yes, I would be truthful.
是的，我会说实话。
Brianna You have to have that conversation with your kids.
布莱恩娜 你必须和你的孩子们进行这样的对话。
You have to have that conversation with your kids, she tells him.
她告诉他，你必须与你的孩子进行这样的对话。
It's funny to imagine how different those two conversations would be.
想象一下这两次谈话会有多么不同是很有趣的。
After she left, I asked Lieutenant Walston what you've made of all of that.
她离开后，我问沃尔斯顿中尉你对这一切有何看法。
Have you been having more conversations like the one you just had?
您是否已经进行了更多像刚才那样的对话？
Sorry, to be more specific, have more white people wanted to talk to you about that kind of thing than usual?
抱歉，更具体地说，有比平常更多的白人想和你谈论这类事情吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, and I get that.
是的，我明白了。
Let me just say this.
我就这么说吧。
I'm actually, I'm happy that you have all nationalities that are coming together to come and go.
事实上，我很高兴你们来自不同国家的人聚集在一起。
And I'm happy about that.
我对此很高兴。
The only thing is that when you do get a white person, which is fine, but the one thing I just don't allow is for you to claim that you know my plight more than I do.
唯一的事情是，当你确实找到一个白人时，这很好，但我不允许的一件事是你声称你比我更了解我的困境。
Is it accurate to say that that was like a white lady explaining to you why black lives matter?
可以说这就像一位白人女士向你解释为什么黑人的生命很重要吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, basically.
是的，基本上。
In a sense, yeah.
从某种意义上说，是的。
It's someone not of my race telling me why my life matters.
是一个非我种族的人告诉我为什么我的生活很重要。
And I know why my life matters.
我知道为什么我的生活很重要。
I know what I went through.
我知道我经历了什么。
He gets in an unmarked police car with his patrol partner and drives down Lafayette Avenue.
他和巡逻伙伴一起上了一辆没有标记的警车，沿着拉斐特大道行驶。
By 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, the protesters recede off the stage, and the night shift workers make their entrance.
到凌晨 1:00 或 2:00，抗议者退出舞台，夜班工人入场。
The mood changes again.
心情又变了。
It becomes quiet, contemplative.
它变得安静、沉思。
The night shift workers, they aren't on their way home from protesting racism.
夜班工人，他们并不是在抗议种族主义后回家的路上。
But many of them know a lot about it, like Alexander.
但他们中的许多人对此了解很多，比如亚历山大。
OK, is it that big fancy building on the corner?
好吧，是街角那座华丽的大建筑吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Exactly.
确切地。
Diane Wu What's that job like right now?
Diane Wu 现在的工作怎么样？
Has it been hectic at all because of the protests?
因为抗议活动而变得忙碌吗？
Not really, but people-- it's just that you get surprised to see who has their position politically on the protest from working in a residential building.
不是真的，而是人们——只是你会惊讶地发现谁在住宅楼工作抗议中持有自己的政治立场。
Some people come out to jump with the protesters.
有些人出来和抗议者一起跳。
Some people come out and go get the protesters.
有些人出来抓捕抗议者。
So you get to see-- you know.
所以你会看到——你知道的。
Huh.
呵呵。
Do people kind of match up with what you would guess?
人们的猜测与您的猜测相符吗？
Yeah, this is surprising how being cynical is usually being right.
是的，令人惊讶的是，愤世嫉俗通常是正确的。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
The older residents are always surprising on their views.
老居民的观点总是令人惊讶。
Because at a certain age, you start to be like OK, I don't expect much from you.
因为到了一定的年纪，你就开始觉得还好，我对你的期望并不高。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
There's some older woke people in your building.
你们大楼里有一些年长的醒着的人。
Yeah, when they're awake, they ain't know what's going on.
是的，当他们醒来时，他们不知道发生了什么。
It's surprising, you know?
这很令人惊讶，你知道吗？
That feels nice.
感觉很好。
Wait, what kinds of things are people saying who are against the protest?
等等，反对抗议的人都在说什么？
It's more of like, the subtle hints would be, oh, when is it going to be enough of these people protesting?
更像是，微妙的暗示是，哦，这些人的抗议什么时候才够呢？
That or it's too late for that.
那样或者已经太晚了。
Or now, is this usually the time?
或者现在，通常是这个时间吗？
Or why didn't y'all do that the last time, you know?
或者为什么你们上次不这样做，你知道吗？
It's subtle when people try to diminish or water down the situation.
当人们试图淡化或淡化这种情况时，这是很微妙的。
But it is what it is.
但事实就是如此。
Ain't nothing us as a people aren't used to, so.
所以，作为一个民族，没有什么是我们不习惯的。
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
Alexander Like, being a black individual, you're used to people always dismissing your cause.
亚历山大：作为一个黑人，你已经习惯了人们总是对你的事业不屑一顾。
Like, if we talk about slavery, they bring up the Holocaust.
就像，如果我们谈论奴隶制，他们就会提到大屠杀。
If we talk about anything that's about being black, other people bring in their struggles, too.
如果我们谈论任何与黑人有关的事情，其他人也会带来他们的挣扎。
So it is what it is.
所以事情就是这样。
So even with the protests now, nothing wrong with I see Caucasian friends helping us out and being a part of the situation.
因此，即使现在有抗议活动，我看到白人朋友帮助我们摆脱困境并参与其中也没有什么问题。
But it's getting watered down because everybody sees the white faces.
但它正在被淡化，因为每个人都看到白人的面孔。
They're not seeing any black face as a part of it.
他们没有看到任何黑脸是其中的一部分。
So whose lives matter?
那么谁的生命重要呢？
Mm, I don't know.
嗯，我不知道。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
The vast majority of the protesters we talked to at Mr. Mango that night were, in fact, white.
事实上，那天晚上我们在芒果先生采访的抗议者绝大多数都是白人。
How has it been working after curfew?
宵禁后，工作进展如何？
Does it feel-- have you been nervous about it at all?
你是否感到紧张？
No, I haven't been nervous.
不，我没有紧张。
I'm not a nervous individual.
我不是一个容易紧张的人。
Yeah, because this is all-- this is all riots, and never know whether you're going to be attacked or not or feeling unsafe.
是的，因为这就是全部——这都是骚乱，永远不知道你是否会受到攻击或感到不安全。
It's part of being a black male, period.
这是作为黑人男性的一部分。
So it's a little bit of insight for everybody else to feel like how we feel, you know?
因此，让其他人感受到我们的感受是一种洞察力，你知道吗？
Alexander works the night shift from 6:00 PM to 2:00 AM, which has made getting home hard during this week of curfew.
亚历山大的夜班工作时间为下午 6:00 至凌晨 2:00，这使得在本周的宵禁期间回家变得困难。
The subway is closed.
地铁已关闭。
Cabs aren't an option.
出租车不是一个选择。
Alexander is 26 and has lived in New York City his whole life.
亚历山大今年 26 岁，一生都住在纽约市。
He told me that the first time a Yellow Cab stopped for him as a black man was this last year.
他告诉我，作为黑人，黄色出租车第一次为他停车是在去年。
Tonight, he heard Uber is running, and that's how he'll get home.
今晚，他听说 Uber 正在运行，这就是他回家的方式。
Through the grace of God.
借着神的恩典。
[LAUGHS] That's the only way possible to describe it.
[笑]这是唯一可以描述它的方式。
Right now, though, he has to get back to work.
不过，现在他必须回去工作了。
He walks over to the cash register.
他走到收银台。
You know what?
你知道吗？
I'm the type of person that when I buy stuff, sometimes I get all the things that are the same color.
我是那种买东西时，有时会买到相同颜色的东西的人。
I don't know why.
我不知道为什么。
I think other people do it, too, but somehow I got Ramune and it looked like blueberries.
我想其他人也这样做，但不知何故我得到了弹珠汽水，它看起来像蓝莓。
It looks like you got all purple today.
看来你今天全身都是紫色的。
You got purple Ramune and an acai drink.
你有紫色汽水和巴西莓饮料。
And somehow I got this grape juice, too.
不知怎的，我也得到了葡萄汁。
I don't know why.
我不知道为什么。
It's hilarious, huh?
很搞笑吧？
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
At around 1:30 AM, a guy in an MTA uniform walked in.
凌晨 1 点 30 分左右，一名身穿 MTA 制服的男子走了进来。
He was holding a big leather binder.
他拿着一个大皮革活页夹。
He heads straight for the cash register, eager to show Dorje whatever is inside of it.
他径直走向收银台，渴望向多杰展示里面的东西。
It's a trading card album, full of old basketball cards, the kind with holograms.
这是一本集换卡册，里面全是旧篮球卡，是带有全息图的那种。
Yeah, this is from the 1990s when Michael Jordan dominated.
是的，这是 20 世纪 90 年代的事，当时迈克尔·乔丹 (Michael Jordan) 占据统治地位。
There's Michael Jordan.
有迈克尔·乔丹。
This is the famous nuts and bolts collection.
这是著名的具体细节系列。
I'm going to give 500 for that.
我愿意为此付出 500 美元。
It's 10 cards.
这是10张卡。
Everybody's in the Hall of Fame.
每个人都进了名人堂。
See?
看？
Look at that.
看看那个。
His name is Fred Nixon.
他的名字叫弗雷德·尼克松。
He works for the city subway system, specifically the G stop beneath the store.
他在城市地铁系统工作，特别是商店下面的 G 站。
I work right downstairs in the booth.
我就在楼下的摊位里工作。
Yeah, I got to-- don't you see I need a napkin since I'm on TV, man?
是的，我必须——你没看到我上电视后需要餐巾吗，伙计？
Fred comes into Mr. Mango a lot, when he gets hot downstairs.
当芒果先生在楼下感到热的时候，弗雷德经常和他见面。
The napkin he asked for was to wipe the sweat from his forehead.
他要的餐巾是用来擦额头上的汗的。
He and Dorje talk all the time.
他和多吉一直在说话。
They know each other well.
他们彼此很了解。
No, no, it's died down now.
不不不，现在已经平息了。
Diane Wu Fred starts talking about the looting.
黛安·吴·弗雷德 (Diane Wu Fred) 开始谈论抢劫事件。
You know the reason why people did that, because Donald Trump is an idiot.
你知道人们这样做的原因，因为唐纳德·特朗普是个白痴。
And he said when the looting starts, the shooting starts.
他说，当抢劫开始时，枪击就开始了。
People in America, they take that to heart, and they say, oh, yeah?
美国人把这一点记在心里，他们说，哦，是吗？
Shoot me.
开枪射击我。
And that's what that was all about.
这就是全部内容。
But I'm glad they stopped.
但我很高兴他们停下来了。
I really believe that's why the people looted because they wanted to challenge him, you know?
我真的相信这就是人们抢劫的原因，因为他们想挑战他，你知道吗？
Like they felt dared to.
就像他们觉得有勇气这样做一样。
Fred Nixon Yeah.
弗雷德·尼克松 是的。
Fred Nixon is 61 years old.
弗雷德·尼克松今年 61 岁。
He's black, grew up here in the same neighborhood.
他是黑人，在同一个街区长大。
And he's proud of these past couple of weeks.
他对过去几周感到自豪。
He feels the protests are a continuation of work he had a hand in starting.
他认为抗议活动是他参与启动的工作的延续。
Yeah, I started this movement 40 years ago right across the street at Bam with Sonny Carson.
是的，40 年前，我和桑尼·卡森 (Sonny Carson) 在街对面的巴姆 (Bam) 发起了这项运动。
Wait, [INAUDIBLE].
等等，[听不清]。
Fred Nixon Sonny Carson actually was trying to do something like this 40 years ago.
弗雷德·尼克松·桑尼·卡森实际上在 40 年前就尝试过做这样的事情。
Go look that up.
去查一下吧。
I did.
我做到了。
Sonny Carson was a civil rights activist and a political organizer from Brooklyn.
桑尼·卡森是一位来自布鲁克林的民权活动家和政治组织者。
In the 1970s, he led demonstrations for racial justice, just a block away from Mr. Mango.
20 世纪 70 年代，他领导了争取种族正义的示威活动，距离芒果先生仅一个街区。
How does it make you feel seeing it happen again now in 2020?
2020 年再次看到这种情况，您有何感受？
I wanted to see it before I'm dead, so I'm glad about it because black people can't do it by themselves.
我想在死之前看到它，所以我很高兴，因为黑人无法自己做到。
And until everybody jumped in the course, that's why nobody was listening.
在每个人都加入课程之前，这就是为什么没有人在听。
What do you think is different now, though, that-- I mean, basically, more white people than ever are paying attention.
不过，你认为现在有什么不同——我的意思是，基本上，比以往任何时候都有更多的白人在关注。
What do you think is different?
您认为有何不同？
I think that-- you ever heard the saying, the straw that broke the camel's back?
我想——你听说过“压垮骆驼的最后一根稻草”这句话吗？
Of course.
当然。
Fred Nixon George Floyd was the straw that broke the camel's back.
弗雷德·尼克松、乔治·弗洛伊德是压垮骆驼的最后一根稻草。
Part of Fred's job is interfacing with cops patrolling the subway station often.
弗雷德的部分工作是经常与在地铁站巡逻的警察打交道。
Sometimes when I see cops, I get really upset about it.
有时，当我看到警察时，我会感到非常沮丧。
When I was 15 years old, I got beat up by the cops right in front of the 88th precinct.
当我 15 岁时，我在 88 分局前被警察殴打。
On Carson and DeKalb.
关于卡森和迪卡尔布。
And recently, they tried to burn it up last week.
最近，他们上周试图把它烧掉。
I didn't even feel bad for them because of that experience I had when I was 15 years old.
因为我15岁时的那段经历，我什至没有为他们感到难过。
It was the early '70s when it happened.
事情发生的时候是 70 年代初。
Fred said it was a misunderstanding about unpaid bus fare, which, at the time, was $0.35.
弗雷德表示，这是对未付公交车费的误解，当时的公交车费为 0.35 美元。
He says not a lot's changed since then.
他说从那时起并没有发生太大变化。
I've been stopped by the cops with my uniform on.
我穿着制服被警察拦住了。
The cops came to my job and told me I stole a Red Bull at the store with my uniform on.
警察来到我工作的地方，告诉我，我穿着制服在商店偷了一瓶红牛。
And I was going crazy.
我快要疯了。
I was like-- I told them if they didn't get out of my booth, I was going to press the emergency button.
我当时想——我告诉他们，如果他们不离开我的摊位，我就要按下紧急按钮。
They all left.
他们都离开了。
Because they know they have to fill out paperwork for that.
因为他们知道他们必须为此填写文件。
Fred didn't buy anything at Mr. Mango, not during that break anyway.
弗雷德没有在芒果先生那里买任何东西，至少在那次休息期间没有买。
He just came in to say hi to Dorje.
他只是进来向多吉打个招呼。
Yeah, this is the place, man.
是的，就是这个地方，伙计。
Mr. Mango is the best.
芒果先生是最棒的。
Especially Mr. Dorje here.
尤其是这里的多杰先生。
Mr. Dorje.
多杰先生。
On his way out, Fred promised Dorje that he'd bring back the basketball cards soon so he could get a proper look.
出去的时候，弗雷德向多吉保证，他很快就会把篮球卡带回来，这样他就可以好好看看。
Dorje said he'd want a full hour to do it, so that he can see everything.
多杰说他想要整整一个小时，这样他就能看到一切。
After 3:00 AM, even the night shift workers weren't coming in anymore.
凌晨3:00以后，连夜班的工人都不再进来了。
It was just Dorje and Ronny in there.
那里只有多杰和罗尼。
They were in constant motion-- Ronny restocking the eggs and coconut water, Dorje cleaning the coffee machine and rearranging the pastries.
他们不停地忙碌着——罗尼补充鸡蛋和椰子水，多杰清洁咖啡机并重新摆放糕点。
Around 3:30, a really out of it man walked in.
3点30分左右，一个神情恍惚的男人走了进来。
He was black.
他是黑人。
It seemed like he might have been homeless.
看来他可能无家可归了。
He got a muffin.
他得到了一块松饼。
After that, no one came in.
之后就没有人进来了。
And the store felt like a safe, clean cocoon, full of soap and honey and different kinds of sprinkles.
商店感觉就像一个安全、干净的茧，充满了肥皂、蜂蜜和不同种类的糖粉。
It felt like a store from six months ago, or 100 months ago, where nothing was out of place, except maybe the case of hand sanitizer above the cheesecake fridge.
感觉就像是六个月前或一百个月前的一家商店，除了芝士蛋糕冰箱上方的洗手液盒之外，没有任何东西不合适。
The last person we talked to as we left at 5:00 AM was a Latino guy picking over the oranges in a crisp Hawaiian shirt.
凌晨 5:00 离开时，最后一个与我们交谈的人是一位拉丁裔男子，他穿着一件清爽的夏威夷衬衫在摘橙子。
He was complaining about a notice from the government that his student loans from the '80s were overdue.
他抱怨政府通知他 80 年代的学生贷款已逾期。
He was so annoyed.
他很生气。
No pandemic or protest on his mind at all in that moment.
那一刻他脑子里根本没有流行病或抗议。
Diane Wu with Lina Misitzis.
黛安·吴和莉娜·米西齐斯。
Coming up, a neighborhood protest that wasn't supposed to happen.
一场不应该发生的邻里抗议即将到来。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
Act Three: Grand Army Ira Glass It's This American Life.
第三幕：大军艾拉·格拉斯 这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's show, Here Again, the stories in the aftermath of the killing of George Floyd that we recorded this past week.
今天的节目《又来了》是我们上周录制的乔治·弗洛伊德被杀后的故事。
So there are these Twitter threads that have sprung up these last couple weeks where people were collecting as many videos of police violence against protesters as they can find.
因此，过去几周出现了一些推特帖子，人们收集了尽可能多的警察对抗议者施暴的视频。
I spent a lot of time scrolling through the ones assembled by a North Carolina lawyer named T.
我花了很多时间浏览北卡罗来纳州一位名叫 T 的律师整理的资料。
Greg Doucette.
格雷格·杜赛特.
He's also got them in handy Google Doc form online.
他还以方便的在线 Google 文档形式提供了这些内容。
He has over 600 videos so far, and he says people have sent him 1,600 direct messages with links that he hasn't even gotten to yet.
到目前为止，他已经拥有 600 多个视频，他说人们已经向他发送了 1,600 条带有链接的直接消息，但他还没有收到。
The stuff that police are doing in these videos, I mean, the tactics that they're using against peaceful protests, it is not news.
我的意思是，警察在这些视频中所做的事情，他们针对和平抗议所使用的策略，这不是新闻。
There's nothing new about it.
这没什么新鲜的。
At this point, I think everybody knows or should know that this stuff is happening.
在这一点上，我想每个人都知道或者应该知道这件事正在发生。
But watching them back to back, all collected in one place, the sheer concentrated volume of it is unnerving.
但看着它们背靠背，全部聚集在一个地方，其绝对集中的体积令人不安。
The simplest ones start with utterly peaceful demonstrators.
最简单的就是从完全和平的示威者开始。
In San Luis Obispo, Bentonville, Arkansas, Columbus, Ohio, Huntsville, Georgia, Walnut Creek, California-- too many places to name.
圣路易斯奥比斯波、阿肯色州本顿维尔、俄亥俄州哥伦布、佐治亚州亨茨维尔、加利福尼亚州核桃溪——太多地方无法一一列举。
And then police fired tear gas and sometimes flash bangs or rubber bullets with no apparent provocation.
然后警察在没有明显挑衅的情况下发射催泪瓦斯，有时还发射闪光弹或橡皮子弹。
Oh, shit!
妈的！
Oh, fuck!
哦，操！
Oh, shit!
妈的！
Run, run, run, run!
跑，跑，跑，跑！
[INAUDIBLE]
[听不清]
Lots of videos, of course, get way more violent.
当然，很多视频变得更加暴力。
In Austin, police shot a bean bag round at a 16-year-old boy, Brad Levi Ayala.
在奥斯汀，警察用豆袋弹射击了 16 岁男孩布拉德·莱维·阿亚拉 (Brad Levi Ayala)。
He seems like he's just a bystander, watching the protests from an embankment near the street.
他似乎只是一个旁观者，在街道附近的堤坝上观看抗议活动。
Jesus Christ!
耶稣基督！
Man 2 Murder!
男人2谋杀！
Murder!
谋杀！
Murder!
谋杀！
In Minneapolis, on a super peaceful, suburban looking, tree-lined street with pretty homes, police and National Guard marched down the street.
在明尼阿波利斯，在一条超级宁静、看起来像郊区、绿树成荫的街道上，街道上有漂亮的房子，警察和国民警卫队在街上游行。
Get inside!
进去吧！
Cop 2 Get in your house now!
警察 2 现在就到你家去吧！
Let's go!
我们走吧！
And fire some kind of a round at a woman for the offense of videoing them from her own porch.
向一名妇女开枪，因为她在自己的门廊上拍摄了她们的视频。
Ah!
啊!
Ah!
啊!
Ira Glass In Los Angeles, a black family tries to protect a store from looters.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 在洛杉矶，一个黑人家庭试图保护一家商店免遭抢劫。
They flag down police to help, and then, the police start to handcuff and detain them.
他们示意警察帮忙，然后警察开始给他们戴上手铐并拘留。
A reporter who's there on live TV tries to set the police straight.
现场电视直播的一名记者试图纠正警方的说法。
They're protecting the store.
他们正在保护商店。
The looters are over there.
抢劫者就在那里。
In Indianapolis, an officer looks like he grabs a young woman's breasts while trying to detain her.
在印第安纳波利斯，一名警官在试图拘留一名年轻女子时似乎抓住了她的胸部。
She squirms free.
她自由地蠕动。
And two officers beat her to the ground with nightsticks.
两名警察用警棍将她打倒在地。
Get on the ground.
趴在地上。
Ira Glass This is going to be the last one I'm going to play you.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：这将是我为你扮演的最后一个角色。
It sums up, I think, all of these as well as any one video could.
我认为，它总结了所有这些以及任何一个视频都可以做到的。
It's from Charleston, South Carolina.
来自南卡罗来纳州查尔斯顿。
Again, a perfectly peaceful group of protesters, all of them kneeling-- I don't know-- maybe 20 feet from a line of police.
又是一群完全和平的抗议者，他们都跪着——我不知道——距离警察队伍大约有 20 英尺。
There's one guy who addresses officers.
有一个人向官员讲话。
I am not your enemy.
我不是你的敌人。
You are not my enemy.
你不是我的敌人。
I love all of y'all.
我爱你们所有人。
You are my family, and I love you.
你们是我的家人，我爱你们。
And I respect you.
我尊重你。
And I want to understand y'all.
我想理解你们。
I want to understand all of you.
我想理解你们所有人。
He repeats this over and over.
他一遍又一遍地重复这句话。
I want to understand you.
我想了解你。
Police respond by marching over to the guy, they drag him to his feet, and arrest him.
警察的反应是向该男子走去，将他拖起来并逮捕他。
Come on, what are you doing?
来吧，你在做什么？
Protester 2 What are you doing?
抗议者2 你在做什么？
Fuck you!
操你妈！
Fuck you!
操你妈！
What the fuck did he do?
他到底做了什么？
Are you fucking kidding me?
你他妈是在开玩笑吗？
Ira Glass Which brings us to Act Three, Grand Army.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 这将我们带入第三幕《大军》。
So given the way protests have been going, some people do not want them in their own neighborhoods.
因此，考虑到抗议活动的进展情况，有些人不希望抗议活动发生在自己的社区。
There's a neighborhood in Brooklyn, Red Hook, where there was a debate about this.
布鲁克林的雷德胡克区有一个关于这个问题的争论。
A couple weeks ago, one woman, who is white, woke up, read the news of the day, and then posted online that she wanted to have a protest.
几周前，一名白人妇女醒来后阅读了当天的新闻，然后在网上发帖表示她想进行抗议。
She got several responses from local community leaders asking her not to do it.
她收到了当地社区领导人的多次回复，要求她不要这样做。
The wife of a local pastor wrote, please reconsider this.
当地一位牧师的妻子写道，请重新考虑这一点。
There's more damage than good that will come from this.
由此带来的损害大于好处。
The hurt and anger that the black community has right now will not allow for this to end up peacefully.
黑人社区现在所受到的伤害和愤怒不会让这件事和平结束。
In the end, you will be able to go back home to a quiet peaceful block, but the residents of NYCHA-- that's the public housing-- won't.
最终，您将能够回到安静祥和的街区，但 NYCHA（即公共住房）的居民却不会。
They will end up with more police presence, possible curfew, some may get hurt, and so much more.
他们最终将面临更多的警察存在、可能的宵禁、一些人可能会受伤等等。
The one who wrote the initial post backed down.
第一篇文章的作者做出了让步。
But last weekend, there was a protest in Red Hook.
但上周末，雷德胡克发生了抗议活动。
One of our producers Dana Chivvis, who lives there, explains how that happened and how it went.
我们的一位制作人达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 住在那里，他解释了这是如何发生的以及事情是如何进行的。
The protest that did happen was organized by a 22-year-old named Na Dortch, who had never done anything like this before.
确实发生的抗议活动是由 22 岁的 Na Dortch 组织的，他以前从未做过这样的事情。
I met up with him just before the protest started.
我在抗议活动开始前与他会面。
Have you been in touch with the police?
您与警方取得过联系吗？
Have they contacted you as the organizer at all?
他们有没有联系过作为组织者的你？
Oh, yeah, they have.
哦，是的，他们有。
Dana Chivvis What have those conversations been like?
Dana Chivvis 这些对话是什么样的？
They're just mainly interested in the route and what's going to happen and things like that.
他们只是主要对路线以及将要发生的事情以及类似的事情感兴趣。
Has it been cordial, your conversations with them?
您与他们的谈话是否亲切？
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's been-- it has been cordial.
哦，不，不，不，不，不。一直是——一直很亲切。
It has been cordial, but they say things like, so we need the route.
气氛很诚恳，但他们会说“所以我们需要路线”之类的话。
And I say, I don't think you need the route.
我说，我认为你不需要这条路线。
And they say, well, you don't have a permit.
他们说，好吧，你没有许可证。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Like, hey, if you don't give me the route, we're going to shut it down because you don't have a permit-- things like that.
就像，嘿，如果你不给我路线，我们就会关闭它，因为你没有许可证，诸如此类。
I didn't give them the route at all.
我根本没有给他们路线。
I didn't give anyone the route.
我没有给任何人路线。
I gave people a general route.
我给了人们一个大致的路线。
The police told me they didn't try to shut down the event.
警方告诉我，他们并没有试图阻止该活动。
Three weeks ago, Na was doing what a lot of us were.
三周前，娜正在做我们很多人都在做的事情。
Literally, I was doing nothing.
从字面上看，我什么也没做。
Literally nothing.
从字面上看什么也没有。
I was just home in my house, doing nothing.
我就在家里，什么也不做。
Just going outside sometimes, getting some air, but I was doing nothing.
有时只是出去呼吸一下空气，但我什么也没做。
And then George Floyd was killed.
然后乔治·弗洛伊德被杀。
The country erupted in protest.
全国爆发抗议。
Na looked out at his neighborhood and saw--
娜看着他的邻居，看到——
Nobody's coming to fucking Red Hook.
没有人会来他妈的红钩。
And nobody's out here protesting, and I was just like, fuck it.
没有人在这里抗议，我就想，去他妈的。
I'm going to do a protest.
我要去抗议。
He'd been to a few protests over the years.
多年来他参加过几次抗议活动。
When he was 17, he joined a Black Lives Matter group for a few days.
17 岁时，他加入了“Black Lives Matter”组织几天。
But he felt like he was too young to make a difference, to be heard.
但他觉得自己还太年轻，无法做出改变，无法被听到。
Everyone else in the group was ancient, in their 30s.
小组里的其他人都是三十多岁的老人。
He texted his friend Crystal.
他给他的朋友克里斯托发了短信。
She agreed to be his secretary.
她同意担任他的秘书。
Made a flyer with the date and time for the protest.
制作了一张写有抗议日期和时间的传单。
Na pulled in his friends, Mo Pringle-- like the chimp, she told me-- Naseem Stevenson, who plans to go to law school, and a few others.
娜拉来了他的朋友莫·普林格尔（Mo Pringle）——她告诉我，就像黑猩猩——纳西姆·史蒂文森（Naseem Stevenson），他计划去法学院，还有其他几个人。
They came up with a name-- the New BLQK Leaders, black spelled BLQK, because the other version was taken.
他们想出了一个名字——New BLQK Leaders，黑色拼写为BLQK，因为另一个版本被采用了。
Objectively, 2020 has been an unremitting shit storm of a year, but things have actually been going OK for Na.
客观地说，2020年是一场持续不断的狗屎风暴的一年，但对于Na来说，一切其实都进展顺利。
He recently came out to his friends and family.
他最近向他的朋友和家人出柜了。
Most of them were supportive.
他们中的大多数人都表示支持。
His grandmother asked a few awkward questions and then tried to get some hot gossip about who else was gay.
他的祖母问了几个尴尬的问题，然后试图了解一些关于还有谁是同性恋的热门八卦。
He's been feeling more empowered lately, more like himself.
最近他感觉自己更有力量，更像他自己了。
But when he and some friends decided to have a protest, they got the same response from some community leaders as the other woman, the one who proposed a protest on Facebook.
但当他和一些朋友决定举行抗议时，他们得到了一些社区领袖与另一位在 Facebook 上提出抗议的女性相同的回应。
They worried it could be dangerous.
他们担心这可能很危险。
People from outside the neighborhood could come in and start trouble.
附近的人可能会进来制造麻烦。
It could give the cops a reason to harass them or to get violent.
这可能会给警察骚扰他们或采取暴力的理由。
One of them felt like people have been protesting for years, and nothing had changed.
其中一位觉得人们已经抗议多年了，但什么都没有改变。
The New BLQK Leaders had a Zoom call where they tried to convince them everything would be fine.
新 BLQK 领导人进行了 Zoom 电话会议，试图说服他们一切都会好起来的。
I'm going to express all throughout the protest, we do not want agitators here.
我要在整个抗议活动中表达，我们不希望这里有煽动者。
If you see anyone who's trying to agitate, stop them.
如果您看到有人试图煽动，请阻止他们。
If you feel like you are going to get agitated or if you are here to be violent, leave.
如果您觉得自己会变得焦躁，或者您来这里是为了施暴，请离开。
I'm going to constantly express that.
我将不断地表达这一点。
After this call with the community leaders, though, one of them, a guy who serves as a community liaison to the 76th precinct, sent an email to the police, telling them what route he thought the march would take and giving them the names and photos of the organizers.
不过，在与社区领导人通话后，其中一位担任第 76 分局社区联络员的人向警方发送了一封电子邮件，告诉他们他认为游行将采取什么路线，并向他们提供了组织者的姓名和照片。
It made Na feel even more targeted than he already did.
这让Na比他已经感觉到的更有针对性了。
It hurt me.
这伤害了我。
It almost discouraged me, because it made me feel like, damn, nobody believes in us.
这几乎让我泄气，因为这让我觉得，该死，没有人相信我们。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Even though we constantly express how it was going to go and we expressed that, you can help us make sure that these things remain-- like, the protest is safe.
尽管我们不断地表达事情将如何进行，并且我们表达了这一点，但你可以帮助我们确保这些事情仍然存在——比如，抗议是安全的。
But it almost discouraged me.
但这几乎让我泄气。
It kind of made me feel like, I didn't know what I was doing.
这让我感觉，我不知道自己在做什么。
Na's friends, the other organizers, convinced him to keep going.
罗的朋友，即其他组织者，说服他继续前进。
And that email, it was actually the reason one of the reticent community leaders, Tiffiney Davis, decided to go to the protest.
这封电子邮件实际上是一位沉默寡言的社区领袖蒂菲尼·戴维斯决定参加抗议活动的原因。
It's a crazy day-- it's an empowering, but scary day.
这是疯狂的一天——这是充满力量但又令人恐惧的一天。
Tiffiney runs an organization called Red Hook Art Project.
蒂菲尼经营着一个名为“红钩艺术项目”的组织。
On Sunday, the day of the protest, she showed up early.
周日，即抗议当天，她很早就出现了。
A handful of people were hanging around outside the community center, getting ready, making signs and T-shirts.
几个人在社区中心外面闲逛，做好准备，制作标语和 T 恤。
What are you scared about?
你害怕什么？
Tiffiney Davis I'm just seeing a lot of the police ride around in ways that they-- I mean, they always patrol the neighborhood, but they're patrolling it way too much now.
蒂菲尼·戴维斯：我只是看到很多警察到处巡逻，我的意思是，他们总是在附近巡逻，但现在他们巡逻得太多了。
Because they know that there's black leaders behind this protest.
因为他们知道这次抗议背后有黑人领导人。
And they're looking for them to do something that that's not what their intentions are.
他们正在寻找他们做一些并非他们本意的事情。
You're seeing them drive around more today?
你今天看到他们开车的次数增多了吗？
I did see them drive around today, and I'm a little frustrated by what I'm seeing.
我今天确实看到他们开车到处走，我对所看到的感到有点沮丧。
As of now, I'm frustrated because these are young children.
到目前为止，我很沮丧，因为这些都是小孩子。
They're all my son and my daughter's age, so I'm very disappointed at the community police.
他们都是我儿子和女儿的年纪，所以我对社区警察很失望。
I'm very disappointed.
我很失望。
I don't know, just that any kid can make a wrong move.
我不知道，只是任何孩子都可能做出错误的举动。
Like that gentleman right now is bouncing a basketball.
就像那位先生现在正在弹篮球一样。
What if the basketball rolled over and hit a police officer, and then they try to blame that on something negative and a reason to start shooting?
如果篮球翻倒并击中了一名警察，然后他们试图将其归咎于一些消极的事情和开始射击的原因怎么办？
Look at them.
看看他们。
Do they look like they want to start trouble?
他们看起来像是想惹麻烦吗？
No, they look like they want to make T-shirts and signs.
不，他们看起来像是想制作 T 恤和标牌。
They just want opportunities to be seen and heard and respected.
他们只是希望有机会被看到、听到和尊重。
The signs and T-shirts had George Floyd's face on them and Black Lives Matter-- and also, Forever Deion.
标语和 T 恤上印有乔治·弗洛伊德 (George Floyd) 的头像和“黑人生命也是命”(Black Lives Matter)，还有“永远的 Deion”(永远的 Deion)。
Deion Fludd was a kid from Red Hook who died in 2013.
Deion Fludd 是一名来自 Red Hook 的孩子，于 2013 年去世。
He went through a subway turnstile without paying.
他没有付钱就通过了地铁旋转门。
Some cops tried to arrest him, and he jumped into the subway tracks to get away.
一些警察试图逮捕他，他跳进地铁轨道逃跑。
He ended up in the hospital, paralyzed from the neck down in a coma and shackled to the bed.
他最终被送进了医院，脖子以下瘫痪，昏迷不醒，被铐在床上。
The police say he was hit by a train, but his family says he woke up from the coma and told them the police had beaten him and left him on the subway tracks.
警方称他被火车撞倒，但他的家人说他从昏迷中醒来，并告诉他们警察殴打了他，并将他留在地铁轨道上。
He died from the injuries not long after.
不久后他因伤势过重而死亡。
When 4:00 PM comes, there are probably 100 to 200 people waiting for the protest to begin.
当下午 4:00 到来时，可能有 100 到 200 人等待抗议开始。
Na is walking around with a bullhorn in hand.
娜手里拿着扩音器走来走去。
He's tall, wearing a white Black Lives Matter T-shirt.
他身材高大，穿着一件白色的 Black Lives Matter T 恤。
His mask is around his chin.
他的面具位于下巴周围。
Na, are you nervous?
呐，你紧张吗？
Na Dortch I'm a little nervous.
Na Dortch 我有点紧张。
Are you used to talking to this many people?
你习惯和这么多人说话吗？
I've been in front of this many people doing other things, just not talking.
我一直在这么多人面前做其他事情，只是不说话。
But I'm not worried about the talking.
但我并不担心谈话。
My eyes are on a mission, on a prize.
我的目光聚焦在使命、奖品上。
I don't really-- I'm not thinking too much about my speech or anything.
我真的没有——我并没有对我的演讲或任何事情考虑太多。
You don't be nervous, man.
你别紧张，伙计。
You stand up--
你站起来——
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊。
I'm not that nervous.
我没那么紧张。
I'm just a little-- I'm shocked, really.
我只是有点——我真的很震惊。
Is it more people than you thought there would be here or what?
这里的人比你想象的要多还是什么？
A lot more people than I thought would be here.
这里的人比我想象的要多得多。
It's a lot, huh?
很多，是吧？
Na Dortch Yeah.
娜·多奇 是的。
I need everybody to repeat after me.
我需要大家跟着我重复一遍。
One mic.
一个麦克风。
One mic.
一个麦克风。
Na Dortch All right, at 4:15, we will start moving.
Na Dortch 好的，4点15分，我们开始出发。
Right now, we are just waiting for other people to come.
现在，我们只是等待其他人的到来。
I'm so glad to see so many people out here.
我很高兴在这里看到这么多人。
Let's give a round of applause because this is beautiful.
让我们热烈鼓掌，因为这太美了。
For a guy who's never led a protest before, he seems totally at ease.
对于一个以前从未领导过抗议活动的人来说，他似乎完全放松了。
There are also police there, about 10 of them by my count, including the commanding officer of the 76th precinct, which covers Red Hook, Deputy Inspector Megan O'Malley.
那里也有警察，据我统计大约有 10 名警察，其中包括负责雷德胡克地区的第 76 分局的指挥官、副督察梅根·奥马利 (Megan O'Malley)。
She's talking to Naseem, Na's advance man, telling him certain streets are closed, including the block the 76th precinct is on.
她正在与 Na 的先遣人员 Naseem 交谈，告诉他某些街道已关闭，包括第 76 分局所在的街区。
Did she say that was because of construction, or did she say--
她是说那是因为施工，还是她说——
Construction.
施工。
Dana Chivvis She said it was because of construction.
Dana Chivvis 她说这是因为施工。
She said it's construction, and they've been making mocktails.
她说这是在施工，他们一直在制作无酒精鸡尾酒。
Oh, like molotov cocktails?
哦，就像燃烧弹一样？
Naseem Stevenson Yeah, mocktail--
纳西姆·史蒂文森 是的，无酒精鸡尾酒——
Like the fire bombs?
比如燃烧弹？
Naseem Stevenson Yep.
纳西姆·史蒂文森 是的。
Na's planned the whole thing out.
娜已经计划好了整件事。
He has the bikers in the crowd to move to the front of the march.
他让人群中的骑自行车的人走到游行队伍的前面。
Next come six people carrying a banner that reads, "Defund the Police," and a more and more common tactic-- the white marchers are put at the front of the protest and on the sides, the thought being that police will be less likely to harm them.
接下来是六人举着横幅，上面写着“撤资警察”，这是一种越来越常见的策略——白人游行者被安排在抗议活动的前面和两侧，目的是让警察不太可能伤害他们。
Na stands in front of the group with his fists in the air.
娜站在众人面前，高举拳头。
The crowd gets silent, puts their fists in the air, too.
人群安静下来，也举起了拳头。
And then--
然后——
He leads the protest through Red Hook.
他通过红钩领导了抗议活动。
The crowd is amped.
人群挤满了人。
There are a bunch of young people.
有一群年轻人。
This is the first time I've seen the whole country together.
这是我第一次看到整个国家在一起。
I ain't even going to lie.
我什至都不会撒谎。
I love it.
我喜欢它。
Out in front of the marchers are eight or nine cops and more cops flanking the crowd.
游行者前面有八九名警察，人群两侧有更多警察。
The protesters do the usual cheers-- no justice, no peace.
抗议者一如既往地欢呼——没有正义，就没有和平。
How do you spell racist?
种族主义者怎么拼写？
Protesters NYPD.
纽约警察局的抗议者。
How do you spell racist?
种族主义者怎么拼写？
Dana Chivvis As well as a few hyper local chants.
Dana Chivvis 以及一些超级当地的圣歌。
When I say 76, y'all say, suck my dick.
当我说 76 时，你们都会说，吸我的鸡巴。
76!
76！
Suck my dick!
吸我的鸡巴！
Dana Chivvis Is it a little weird that the cops are like--
Dana Chivvis 警察的样子是不是有点奇怪——
Leading?
领先？
Leading the way, yes, very weird.
带路，是的，很奇怪。
Very, very.
非常非常。
I wasn't expecting none of them.
我没想到他们中没有一个。
I thought they was gonna hound us.
我以为他们会追捕我们。
They actually leading the way.
他们实际上在带路。
So I don't know.
所以我不知道。
The cops are there to keep the community and the marchers safe, Deputy Inspector O'Malley told me.
副督察奥马利告诉我，警察的职责是保护社区和游行者的安全。
But the marchers were there to protest the cops for making them feel unsafe.
但游行者在那里抗议警察让他们感到不安全。
Na runs through the crowd, front to back, leading the chants with his bullhorn.
罗娜从前到后穿过人群，用扩音器引导人们呼喊口号。
The march winds through the public housing high rises, picking up people as it goes.
游行队伍蜿蜒穿过公共住房高楼，一路上载着人们。
What started as a couple hundred people just keeps growing.
最初只有几百人，但规模不断扩大。
I did not think there would be this many people at all-- at all.
我根本没想到会有这么多人。
This is crazy.
这太疯狂了。
I expected, like, 200.
我预计大概是200。
This is, like, 500.
这大约是500。
Yeah, I got to make sure it stays in shape.
是的，我必须确保它保持形状。
The planned route, I find out, is to march over a little bridge, a highway overpass, and get as close as they can to the 76th precinct station, then turn and head back into Red Hook.
我发现，计划的路线是穿过一座小桥、一座高速公路立交桥，尽可能靠近第 76 分局车站，然后掉头返回雷德胡克。
But as the protest gets near, Na changes the plan.
但随着抗议活动的临近，罗改变了计划。
He tells Naseem, who's been walking out in front of the marchers, communicating with the police, that he doesn't want to turn around and end the march.
他告诉纳西姆，他一直走在游行者前面，与警察沟通，他不想转身结束游行。
It's going too well.
进展得太顺利了。
We have to.
我们必须。
There's too many people to stop.
人太多了，根本停不下来。
We could go to the bridge and then we could walk downtown.
我们可以去桥，然后步行到市中心。
OK.
好的。
Dana Chivvis Downtown is downtown Brooklyn, near the Barclays Center, which has been the location for a lot of protests these last few weeks.
达纳奇夫维斯市中心位于布鲁克林市中心，靠近巴克莱中心，过去几周这里一直是许多抗议活动的地点。
They get onto the overpass and cross it and find a police barricade at the end, a line of those metal fences blocking off the intersection.
他们上了立交桥并穿过它，发现尽头有一个警察路障，一排金属栅栏挡住了十字路口。
They have to stop.
他们必须停下来。
Hundreds of people pile onto this bridge above the expressway.
数百人涌上高速公路上方的这座桥。
And this is where Naseem tells Deputy Inspector O'Malley that Na wants to change the plan.
就在这时，纳西姆告诉副督察奥马利，纳想要改变计划。
Where is he planning to go?
他打算去哪里？
Naseem Stevenson [INAUDIBLE]
纳西姆·史蒂文森 [听不清]
You're-- you know, there's going to be more cops, but OK.
你知道，将会有更多的警察，但是没关系。
I'm just relaying information that I received.
我只是转达我收到的信息。
I understand that.
我明白这一点。
You gave me a route.
你给了我一条路线。
You wouldn't give me a route.
你不肯给我路线。
You never gave me the end of the route.
你从来没有给我路线的终点。
We agreed upon the footbridge.
我们商定了人行天桥。
I facilitated, but OK.
我提供了便利，但是还好。
So.
所以。
Someone needs to tell O'Malley where they want to go.
需要有人告诉奥马利他们想去哪里。
Naseem turns and looks for Na, who's walked back into the crowd.
纳西姆转身寻找娜，后者又走回了人群中。
I'm speaking on his behalf.
我代表他发言。
Megan O'malley So to make this cleared up, we could just speak to the organizer.
Megan O'malley 所以为了澄清这个问题，我们可以和组织者谈谈。
And whatever we can do to make this work--
无论我们能做什么来让这项工作成功——
I'm grabbing him for you.
我替你抓住他。
Megan O'malley All right, this isn't a standoff.
梅根·奥马利：好吧，这不是对峙。
Don't try to trap anybody.
不要试图困住任何人。
No one's going to go in handcuffs.
没有人会戴上手铐。
Nasheem!
纳西姆！
Dana Chivvis Nasheem is Na's full name.
达纳·奇夫维斯·纳西姆 (Dana Chivvis Nasheem) 是娜的全名。
It's a little confusing.
有点令人困惑。
It's very close to Naseem, his right hand man, this guy.
与他的得力助手纳西姆（Naseem）非常接近，这个家伙。
Nasheem, I need you.
纳西姆，我需要你。
You need to articulate--
你需要清楚地表达——
All right, all right.
好吧，好吧。
Naseem Stevenson --what you like.
纳西姆·史蒂文森——你喜欢什么。
Stand back.
退后一点。
Stand back.
退后一点。
Give him some space.
给他一些空间。
Hold on, listen.
等等，听着。
Naseem Stevenson Stand back.
纳西姆·史蒂文森 退后一步。
We're not them.
我们不是他们。
We're OK.
我们没事。
This has been great.
这太棒了。
We're OK.
我们没事。
We're going to keep being OK.
我们会一直保持好的状态。
I know you're under a lot of stress.
我知道你压力很大。
Where do you want to go?
你想去哪里？
You want to go downtown?
你想去市中心吗？
You said to go downtown?
你说去市中心？
Naseem Stevenson No.
纳西姆·史蒂文森 No.
I'm going by what you want.
我就按照你想要的去做
I'm here to facilitate for you.
我是来为你提供便利的。
What do you want?
你想要什么？
We've had people downtown.
我们已经有人在市中心了。
No arrests, no issues, all right?
没有逮捕，没有问题，好吗？
We're going downtown.
我们要去市中心。
We're going downtown.
我们要去市中心。
Downtown is totally fine.
市中心完全没问题。
You want to go downtown, we could go downtown.
你想去市中心，我们可以去市中心。
And I just want to say while we're here.
我只想说，当我们在这里的时候。
Information that I got was from him, and I relayed it you when I got it.
我得到的信息是他给我的，我得到信息后就转告给你了。
It's OK.
没关系。
Listen, we're OK.
听着，我们没事。
Naseem Stevenson I mean, I just want you to know why.
纳西姆·史蒂文森 我的意思是，我只是想让你知道为什么。
It's tense.
很紧张。
There have been plenty of protests in recent weeks where things did not go well.
最近几周发生了很多抗议活动，但情况并不顺利。
Right here in Brooklyn, cops beating protesters, driving cars into them, people throwing firebombs at police.
就在布鲁克林，警察殴打抗议者，驾驶汽车冲撞他们，人们向警察投掷燃烧弹。
This stuff's on everyone's mind.
这个事情大家心里都在想。
So there was-- no-- Megan O'malley It's OK.
所以有——不——梅根·奥马利，没关系。
Listen, we're gravy.
听着，我们是肉汁。
Everything's good.
一切都很好。
No, I want transparency.
不，我想要透明度。
Megan O'malley Everything is good.
梅根·奥马利 一切都很好。
I want transparency.
我想要透明度。
So I'm just being transparent while you're here.
所以当你在这里的时候我只是保持透明。
But you're starting to get a restless crowd.
但你开始遇到一群焦躁不安的人。
Let's get them moving, all right?
让我们让他们动起来，好吗？
They have momentum.
他们有动力。
Let's take it in a positive direction.
让我们朝积极的方向发展吧。
All right?
好的？
You want to go downtown?
你想去市中心吗？
Yeah, we'll go downtown.
是的，我们要去市中心。
So we're all going to go downtown, right?
所以我们都要去市中心，对吗？
We're going to stop traffic, yeah?
我们要停止交通，是吗？
All right.
好的。
We're going to open this up.
我们要打开这个。
We're going to go this way.
我们要走这条路。
All right, we're good?
好吧，我们好吗？
We're in agreement now?
我们现在同意了吗？
So once we're out of-- Megan O'malley You're doing a good job.
所以，一旦我们离开—— Megan O'malley，你就做得很好了。
You're doing a really good job.
你做得非常好。
All right?
好的？
This is very successful.
这是非常成功的。
Let's keep it this way.
让我们保持这种方式吧。
What have you got?
你有什么？
Once you-- hello, Vinny, by the way.
一旦你——顺便说一句，你好，文尼。
How are you?
你好吗？
Once we're out of the 76th, it's out of your control.
一旦我们离开了 76 号，一切就脱离了你的控制。
No, I am going to walk with you to Barclays or to the bridge or--
不，我要和你一起步行去巴克莱银行或者大桥或者——
Oh, you are?
噢，你是？
Megan O'malley --wherever you're going, yeah.
梅根·奥马利——无论你要去哪里，是的。
Oh, OK, nice.
哦，好的，不错。
Megan O'malley Yeah, yeah.
梅根·奥马利 是的，是的。
No, it's we're pals today, all right?
不，今天我们是朋友，好吗？
That's what I'm saying.
这就是我所说的。
We're going to do this together.
我们将一起做这件事。
Start it back up.
启动它备份。
No justice, something.
没有正义，什么的。
No justice!
没有正义！
No peace!
没有平安！
Megan O'malley Slowly, slowly, please.
梅根·奥马利 请慢慢地，慢慢地。
Give an announcement slowly.
慢慢地发布公告。
Call slowly.
慢慢呼唤。
The officers swing one of the metal gates open, so only three or four people can walk through at a time.
警察打开一扇金属门，因此一次只能通过三四个人。
Na is back in the crowd, with the bullhorn.
娜带着扩音器回到了人群中。
Naseem and I walk through together, at the head of the crowd.
纳西姆和我走在人群的最前面。
He turns and blows some kisses towards people on the precinct side of the barrier.
他转身向护栏一侧的人们飞吻。
Huh?
啊？
Dana Chivvis Who are you blowing kisses to?
Dana Chivvis 你要向谁飞吻？
I used to work here, so I'm saying hi to one of my co-workers.
我曾经在这里工作过，所以我向我的一位同事打招呼。
Where did you work?
你在哪里工作？
Naseem Stevenson In the 76th.
纳西姆·史蒂文森，76 号。
You worked at the 76th?
你在76号工作吗？
Naseem Stevenson Yep.
纳西姆·史蒂文森 是的。
When I ask about it, he doesn't have anything bad to say about the officers at the 76.
当我问及此事时，他并没有对 76 号警官说任何不好的话。
And he tells me he's planning to have a career of some kind in law enforcement.
他告诉我他计划从事执法工作。
It's a peaceful march to the Barclays Center, about three miles away from where it all began.
这是一场前往巴克莱中心的和平游行，距离一切开始的地方大约三英里。
The protest picks up more and more people along the way.
一路上抗议活动吸引了越来越多的人。
The police estimated 1,200 people at its peak.
警方估计最多时有 1,200 人。
The young woman in the crowd walks up to Na and gives him her number, which he takes politely.
人群中的年轻女子走到娜面前，给了他自己的电话号码，他礼貌地接受了。
And they continue even deeper into Brooklyn.
他们继续深入布鲁克林。
At Grand Army Plaza, Na stands up on the wall of a fountain and looks back at a sea of faces waiting to hear him speak.
在大军广场，那站在喷泉的墙上，回头看着等待听他讲话的人海。
This is amazing.
这太棒了。
I don't even know what to say at this point.
此时我什至不知道该说什么。
There's just so many people.
人就这么多。
And to think it started all in little Red Hook, this is crazy.
想想这一切都是从小红钩开始的，这太疯狂了。
This gives me hope, you know?
这给了我希望，你知道吗？
Seeing all these people here, all these allies, all these young black men, all these young black women.
看到这里所有这些人，所有这些盟友，所有这些年轻的黑人男性，所有这些年轻的黑人女性。
Let's just-- can we just put a fist up please?
让我们——我们可以举起拳头吗？
[CHEERING] I'll try not to cry.
[欢呼]我会尽量不哭。
I'm black and I'm proud!
我是黑人，我骄傲！
I met up with Na a few days later in a park in Red Hook.
几天后，我在雷德胡克的一个公园见到了娜。
When he walked up to me, he was talking to his team, saying maybe next he would run for some kind of elected position.
当他走到我面前时，他正在与他的团队交谈，说也许接下来他会竞选某种民选职位。
Nothing too big, just something local.
没什么太大的，只是一些当地的东西。
Yesterday, I was in my house, and I was just laying down on my bed.
昨天，我在家里，躺在床上。
And I'm like, wow.
我想，哇。
I really fucking did that.
我他妈真的这么做了。
Black, queer man, broken tooth, a little chubby-- like, shit, I really did that.
黑人，奇怪的男人，断牙，有点胖——就像，妈的，我真的这么做了。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
It just feels like the odds are stacked against me.
只是感觉机会对我不利。
And I like winning.
而且我喜欢获胜。
I like winning.
我喜欢获胜。
Dana Chivvis is one of the producers of our show.
达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 是我们节目的制片人之一。
Act Four: Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200 Ira Glass Act Four, Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200.
第四幕：不通过 Go，不收取 200 美元 Ira Glass 第四幕，不通过 Go，不收取 200 美元。
So there's this video making the rounds that a bunch of us saw, and we thought the writer who is in it, Kimberly Jones, did such a good job giving context and laying out a history quickly in a way that anybody can understand.
我们很多人都看到了这段视频，我们认为其中的作者金伯利·琼斯（Kimberly Jones）做得非常好，以任何人都可以理解的方式提供了背景并快速列出了历史。
That even though this video has gotten a lot of views online and even after we learned that John Oliver ended his HBO show last week with this video, we still wanted to play it here.
尽管这段视频在网上获得了很多观看次数，甚至在我们得知约翰·奥利弗上周以这段视频结束了他的 HBO 节目后，我们仍然想在这里播放它。
Kimberly Jones starts this video by talking about the looters in the recent protests.
金伯利琼斯在这段视频中首先谈论了最近抗议活动中的抢劫者。
And she says, people say all these negative things about the looters, but don't ask why they're looting.
她说，人们对抢劫者说了所有这些负面的话，但不会问他们为什么要抢劫。
And to explain a feeling that lots of people have, she launches into an economic history of black people in America, starting with slavery.
为了解释很多人的感受，她从奴隶制开始讲述了美国黑人的经济史。
We must never forget that economics was the reason that black people were brought to this country.
我们永远不能忘记，经济是将黑人带到这个国家的原因。
We came to do the agricultural work in the south and the textile work in the north.
我们来南方干农活，到北方干纺织活。
Do you understand that?
你明白吗？
That's what we came to do.
这就是我们来这里要做的。
Now if I right now decided that I wanted to play Monopoly with you and for 400 rounds of playing Monopoly, I didn't allow you to have any money, I didn't allow you to have anything on the board, I didn't allow for you to have anything.
现在，如果我现在决定和你一起玩大富翁，并且玩了 400 轮大富翁，我不允许你有任何钱，我不允许你在棋盘上有任何东西，我不允许你有任何东西。
And then we played another 50 rounds of Monopoly and everything that you gained and you earned while you were playing that round of Monopoly was taken from you-- that was Tulsa.
然后我们又玩了 50 轮大富翁，你在玩那轮大富翁时获得的一切都被拿走了——那就是塔尔萨。
That was Rosewood.
那是罗斯伍德。
Those are places where we built black economic wealth, where we were self-sufficient, where we owned our stores, where we owned our property, and they burned them to the ground.
这些是我们建立黑人经济财富的地方，我们自给自足，我们拥有我们的商店，我们拥有我们的财产，但他们把它们烧毁了。
So that's 450 years.
那就是 450 年。
So for 400 rounds of Monopoly, you don't get to play at all.
因此，对于 400 轮的大富翁游戏，您根本无法玩。
Not only do you not get to play, you have to play on the behalf of the person that you're playing against.
你不仅不能参加比赛，而且还必须代表对手比赛。
You have to play and make money and earn wealth for them, and then you have to turn it over to them.
你要为他们玩、赚钱、赚财富，然后你要把它交给他们。
So then for 50 years, you finally get a little bit, and you're allowed to play.
50年后，你终于得到了一点，你就可以玩了。
And every time that they don't like the way that you're playing, or that you're catching up, or that you're doing something to be self-sufficient, they burn your game.
每当他们不喜欢你的比赛方式，或者你正在追赶，或者你正在做一些自给自足的事情时，他们就会毁掉你的比赛。
They burn your cards.
他们烧掉你的卡。
They burn your Monopoly money.
他们烧掉你的大富翁钱。
And then, finally, at the release and the onset of that, they allow you to play and they say, OK, now you catch up.
然后，最后，在发布和开始时，他们允许你玩，他们说，好吧，现在你赶上了。
How can you win?
你怎么能赢呢？
How can you win?
你怎么能赢呢？
You can't win.
你赢不了。
The game is fixed.
游戏已定。
So when they say, why did you burn down the community, why did you burn down your own neighborhood, it's not ours.
所以当他们说，你为什么烧毁社区，为什么烧毁你自己的社区，那不是我们的。
We don't own anything.
我们不拥有任何东西。
We don't own anything.
我们不拥有任何东西。
Trevor Noah said it so beautifully last night.
特雷弗·诺亚昨晚说得非常漂亮。
There's a social contract that we all have.
我们都有一份社会契约。
That if you steal or if I steal, then the person who is the authority comes in and they fix the situation.
如果你偷或者我偷，那么权威人士就会介入并解决问题。
But the person who fixes the situation is killing us!
但解决这个问题的人正在杀了我们！
So the social contract is broken.
所以社会契约被打破了。
And if the social contract is broken, why the fuck do I give a shit about burning the fucking Football Hall of Fame, about burning a fucking Target?
如果社会契约被打破，为什么我他妈的会在乎烧毁他妈的足球名人堂，烧毁他妈的塔吉特？
You broke the contract when you killed us in the streets and didn't give a fuck!
当你在街上杀了我们的时候，你就违反了契约，而且根本不在乎！
You broke the contract, and for 400 years, we played your game and built your wealth.
你违反了合同，四百年来，我们玩着你的游戏，积累了你的财富。
You broke the contract when we built our wealth again on our own by our bootstraps in Tulsa, and you dropped bombs on us.
当我们在塔尔萨靠自己的力量再次建立财富时，你们违反了合同，并向我们投掷了炸弹。
When we built it in Rosewood, and you came in and you slaughtered us.
当我们在罗斯伍德建造它时，你进来并屠杀了我们。
You broke the contract, so fuck your Target.
你违反了合同，去你的目标吧。
Fuck your Hall of Fame.
操你的名人堂。
Far as I'm concerned, they could burn this bitch to the ground.
就我而言，他们可以把这个婊子烧成灰烬。
And it still wouldn't be enough.
但这还不够。
And they are lucky that what black people are looking for is equality and not revenge.
他们很幸运，黑人追求的是平等而不是复仇。
Kimberly Jones, she's a writer, author of a young adult novel.
金伯利·琼斯（Kimberly Jones），她是一位作家，一本年轻成人小说的作者。
Her website is KimJonesWrites.com.
她的网站是 KimJonesWrites.com。
[MUSIC - "WALKING IN THE SNOW" BY RUN THE JEWELS]
[音乐 - RUN THE JEWELS 的《雪中行走》]
Our program was produced today by Nadia Reiman and Bim Adewunmi.
今天我们的节目由 Nadia Reiman 和 Bim Adewunmi 制作。
The people who made today's show include Emanuele Berry, Susan Burton, Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Aviva DeKornfeld, Noor Gill, Damien Graef, Lina Misitzis, Stow Nelson, Katharine Rae Mondo, Ben Phelan, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, and Julie Whitaker.
制作今天节目的人员包括 Emanuele Berry、Susan Burton、Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Aviva DeKornfeld、Noor Gill、Damien Graef、Lina Misitzis、Stow Nelson、Katharine Rae Mondo、Ben Phelan、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Nancy Updike 和 Julie惠特克.
Our managing editors are Diane Wu and Sara Abdurrahman.
我们的执行编辑是 Diane Wu 和 Sara Abdurrahman。
Our executive editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的执行编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Thanks today to Eric Stevens and the staff of Mr. Mango and Dream Team Felix.
今天感谢埃里克·史蒂文斯以及芒果先生和菲利克斯梦之队的工作人员。
The art on our website for today's show is by Adrian Brandon.
我们网站上今天展览的艺术作品是阿德里安·布兰登 (Adrian Brandon) 创作的。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he chose a funny way to announce to the staff some cutbacks in our equipment budget.
你知道，他选择了一种有趣的方式向员工宣布我们设备预算的一些削减。
I need everybody to repeat after me.
我需要大家跟着我重复一遍。
One mic.
一个麦克风。
One mic.
一个麦克风。
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。