7: Quitting - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass What will make you change?
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 什么会让你改变？
For most of us, it is not self-help books, courses at the learning annex.
对于我们大多数人来说，它不是自助书籍、学习附件中的课程。
We are immune to any number of long, sincere talks with our friends about the problems that do not go away.
我们不会与朋友就那些无法解决的问题进行多次长时间、真诚的交谈。
We are immune to resolutions made at the last minute of the last hour of each December 31.
我们不受每年 12 月 31 日最后一刻的最后一刻做出的决议的影响。
Consider the story of Evan Harris.
想想埃文·哈里斯的故事。
She didn't like her job.
她不喜欢她的工作。
She wanted to leave her boyfriend.
她想离开她的男朋友。
She was living in a city she didn't like.
她生活在一个她不喜欢的城市。
I was well-entrenched in my life and pretty much sleepwalking.
我的生活根深蒂固，几乎在梦游。
And weeks went by.
几周过去了。
And months went by.
几个月过去了。
And then one day, she and a coworker were in the mail room at the extremely low-level office jobs that they held, and there amongst the envelopes, stacks of envelopes everywhere, they started talking.
然后有一天，她和一位同事在他们担任的极低级别办公室工作的收发室里，在信封、成堆的信封随处可见的地方，他们开始交谈。
And that's where it happened to Evan Harris.
这就是埃文·哈里斯的遭遇。
You know how sometimes the smallest thing can end up changing your entire life?
你知道有时最小的事情最终会改变你的整个生活吗？
A casual comment by somebody that you barely know, an ad you happen to spot in the newspaper, a chance encounter, one little moment.
一个你几乎不认识的人的随意评论，你偶然在报纸上看到的一则广告，一次偶然的相遇，一个小小的时刻。
And later when you look back, you realize, oh, that was it.
后来当你回头看时，你会意识到，哦，就是这样。
That was the moment.
就是那一刻。
That was the pivot point around which my entire life turned and spun and went into a totally different direction.
那是我一生的转折点，围绕着它，我的一生转向了一个完全不同的方向。
And you know you don't get to choose.
而且你知道你无法选择。
You do not get to choose this pivotal moment.
你无法选择这个关键时刻。
And sometimes, as anybody over a certain age can tell you, the pivotal moment can be kind of stupid.
有时，正如任何超过一定年龄的人都会告诉你的那样，关键时刻可能有点愚蠢。
In Evan Harris's case, it was about as unlikely as they come.
就埃文·哈里斯而言，这种情况几乎不可能发生。
We were doing some sort of menial labor.
我们正在做一些卑微的劳动。
She was doing a mailing, and I was putting some stuff in alphabetical order.
她正在发邮件，我正在按字母顺序放置一些东西。
And I said to her, "Shouldn't the letter Q be further toward the back of the alphabet?"
我对她说：“字母 Q 不应该更靠近字母表的后面吗？”
That's it.
就是这样。
With the utterance of those words-- let me just play this back for you.
随着这句话的说出——让我给你们回放一下。
Because these are words which changed an adult human life.
因为这些话改变了成年人的生活。
Here we go.
开始了。
"Shouldn't the letter Q be further toward the back of the alphabet?"
“字母Q不应该更靠近字母表的后面吗？”
With those words, Evan Harris's life took a 180 degree turn.
这句话使埃文·哈里斯的生活发生了一百八十度的转变。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago.
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥。
This is Your Radio Playhouse.
这是您的广播剧场。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Quitting, stories of people who quit everything in their lives that they hated and what happened to them afterwards.
今天在我们的节目《戒烟》中，讲述了人们戒掉生活中他们讨厌的一切的故事，以及之后发生在他们身上的事情。
Coming up, writer Sandra Tsing Loh, Lisa Buscani, and others.
即将登场的还有作家 Sandra Tsing Loh、Lisa Buscani 等人。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
So Evan Harris and her friend and coworker, Shelley Ross, were at this job and they started talking about the letter Q.
埃文·哈里斯 (Evan Harris) 和她的朋友兼同事雪莉·罗斯 (Shelley Ross) 正在从事这项工作，他们开始谈论字母 Q。
And it was the kind of conversation you can only really have at a job that does not require total concentration.
这种对话只有在不需要全神贯注的工作中才能真正进行。
So you're sorting mail, you're frying burgers, you're doing whatever.
所以你正在分拣邮件，你正在煎汉堡，你正在做任何事情。
And so they're talking about the letter Q.
所以他们正在谈论字母 Q。
And again, remember, this is the pivotal conversation in a person's life.
再次记住，这是一个人一生中的关键对话。
They're talking about the letter Q and they get to talking about where it should be in the alphabet.
他们正在谈论字母 Q，并开始讨论它应该在字母表中的位置。
And in their minds, Q does not belong in the middle of the alphabet where it is, with the hoi polloi of the alphabet.
在他们看来，Q 并不属于字母表的中间位置，即字母表中的大众。
Your Ms, your Ns, your Ps.
你的女士，你的Ns，你的Ps。
Letters that will just join any word for the asking.
字母将仅连接任何单词以供询问。
N is in letters-- you don't even hear it.
N 是字母——你甚至听不到它。
Damn.
该死。
What's it doing in there?
它在那里做什么？
Q, in their mind, has more character.
在他们看来，Q更有个性。
Q, in their mind, doesn't take anything off of anybody.
在他们看来，Q 不会从任何人身上夺走任何东西。
It makes demands and it sees that they are met.
它提出要求并确保这些要求得到满足。
What other letter has an adjunct, a bodyguard with it, carried into every word?
还有哪个字母的每一个字都有一个附属词，一个保镖？
In their mind, Q belongs at the end of the alphabet, with your Xs, your Ys, your Zs.
在他们看来，Q 位于字母表的末尾，与 X、Y、Z 一起。
Letters that do not care what anybody thinks of them and that don't just join up to any word.
这些字母不关心任何人对它们的看法，也不只是连接任何单词。
And Q, of course, is the first letter of the word "quit." You can't spell "quit" without Q, at least on public radio you can't.
当然，Q 是“quit”一词的第一个字母。如果没有 Q，你就无法拼写“quit”，至少在公共广播中你不能。
And Evan Harris and her friend Shelley Ross started talking about what it means to be able to quit something.
埃文·哈里斯和她的朋友雪莉·罗斯开始谈论能够放弃某件事意味着什么。
What are the qualities that you need?
你需要什么品质？
And they decided the qualities were that kind of fierce independence that, in fact, they saw in the letter Q.
他们认为这种品质就是那种强烈的独立性，事实上，他们在 Q 字母中看到了这一点。
And they talked about quitting for a long time that day.
那天他们聊了很长时间关于戒烟的事情。
And Quitter Quarterly just came out of my mouth, really.
《戒烟季刊》刚刚从我嘴里说出来，真的。
I mean it just came out of my mouth.
我的意思是这只是从我嘴里说出来的。
It kind of came from heaven.
它有点来自天堂。
It kind of came from heaven.
它有点来自天堂。
Really.
真的。
It just kind of lit down on me.
这让我有点沮丧。
And there it was, and that's how I saw it.
事情就在那里，我就是这么看的。
Quitter Quarterly.
戒烟季刊。
At that moment, Evan Harris and her friend Shelley Ross decided to publish a little zine, a little Xerox thing, just a couple pages long, called Quitter Quarterly.
就在那一刻，埃文·哈里斯和她的朋友雪莱·罗斯决定出版一本小杂志，有点施乐的东西，只有几页长，叫做《戒烟季刊》。
And that changed Evan's life.
这改变了埃文的生活。
Recently I heard about the butter sculptures at the Minnesota State Fair.
最近我听说明尼苏达州博览会上有黄油雕塑。
These are these big sculptures made entirely out of butter.
这些是完全由黄油制成的大型雕塑。
The way it was explained to me was that they are often of the queen for the day.
他们向我解释的方式是，它们通常是当天的女王。
That some teenage girl will be selected as the fair queen that day, and then her bust will be done in butter.
那天，某个十几岁的女孩将被选为美丽的女王，然后她的半身像将用黄油完成。
And it got me to thinking, what if my muse had called me to work in butter?
这让我开始思考，如果我的缪斯召唤我去黄油工作怎么办？
What if my muse said, you will now represent the human form in butter?
如果我的缪斯说，你现在要用黄油代表人类形态怎么办？
What if your muse calls you to do something hokey and out-of-date, like singing in coffeehouses or I don't even know.
如果你的缪斯召唤你做一些做作和过时的事情，比如在咖啡馆唱歌，或者我什至不知道，该怎么办？
The point is we cannot choose who we fall in love with.
关键是我们无法选择爱上谁。
We cannot choose what we are interested to write about.
我们无法选择我们感兴趣的内容。
We cannot choose our muse.
我们无法选择我们的缪斯。
And quitting was the muse that called Evan Harris.
放弃是埃文·哈里斯的缪斯。
She had written other things before Quitter Quarterly, but back then the ideas came out in a trickle.
在《戒烟季刊》出版之前，她还写过其他文章，但当时的想法是一点点涌现的。
When she wrote about quitting, it was like this inexhaustible fountain.
当她写下戒烟的时候，就像一座取之不竭的喷泉。
It was standing in front of a fire hydrant, immense force, full blast coming at her.
它站在消防栓前，巨大的力量，全力向她袭来。
It really came all at once.
真的一下子就来了。
I mean, I really sat down to start writing about it, and it really came out.
我的意思是，我真的坐下来开始写它，而且它真的出来了。
And it seemed to have already been formed.
而且似乎已经成型了。
And the way that Evan Harris and Shelley Ross write about quitting is so evocative and funny that after just two issues of this tiny little zine, Quitter Quarterly was excerpted in Harper's Magazine and it was named Zine of the Month by Sassy Magazine , which covers your sort of highbrow to lowbrow scale.
埃文·哈里斯 (Evan Harris) 和雪莱·罗斯 (Shelley Ross) 写关于戒烟的方式是如此令人回味和有趣，以至于在这本小杂志出版两期后，《戒烟季刊》就被《哈泼斯》杂志摘录，并被《时髦》杂志评为本月最佳杂志，涵盖了从高雅到低俗的范围。
Soon a publisher had Evan writing a book which is going to be out this coming May called The Quit .
很快，一家出版商让埃文写了一本书，名为《戒烟》，将于今年五月出版。
And all of this was happening because Evan Harris and Shelley Ross were not just writing about quitting.
所有这一切的发生是因为埃文·哈里斯和雪莱·罗斯不仅仅在写关于戒烟的文章。
They were inventing an entire philosophy of quitting, a theory of quitting.
他们正在发明一整套戒烟哲学、戒烟理论。
Quitter Quarterly is like a scientific inquiry into the properties of quitting.
《戒烟季刊》就像是对戒烟特性的科学探究。
For example, the euphoria of the quit.
例如，戒烟带来的欣快感。
The euphoria of the quit.
戒烟的欣快感。
Quitting euphoria is an incredible thing.
放弃欣快感是一件不可思议的事情。
I don't know how much you have quit, but there is an incredible charge to quitting that is like a drug.
我不知道你戒了多少，但戒烟会产生令人难以置信的费用，就像吸毒一样。
It's like being in love kind of, except it's being in love with your decision.
这有点像恋爱，只不过是爱上你的决定。
Evan Harris was writing about quitting, and thinking about quitting, and gathering the strength to quit her job and her boyfriend and her city, which, by the way, she did.
埃文·哈里斯（Evan Harris）写的是关于辞职，考虑辞职，并积聚力量辞掉她的工作、她的男朋友和她的城市，顺便说一句，她确实这么做了。
And at some point in this entire process, her view of the world began to change.
在整个过程的某个时刻，她的世界观开始发生变化。
Quits and potential quits seemed to be everywhere.
退出和潜在退出似乎无处不在。
She would go out with a friend for coffee and, of course, talk about all this quitting business that she was thinking about all the time.
她会和朋友出去喝咖啡，当然，也会谈论她一直在考虑的戒烟事宜。
And then this friend, no matter who it was, would come out with some story about something that he or she wanted to quit.
然后这个朋友，无论是谁，都会讲出一些关于他或她想要放弃的事情的故事。
Quitting started to seem like the engine that made everything in the world go round.
戒烟开始似乎是世界上一切运转的引擎。
The way I see it in thinking about my own life, I see it as being framed and the narrative of it being pushed along by quitting, by quits.
在我思考自己的生活时，我认为它是被框定的，它的叙事是通过退出、退出而推动的。
So that my first big quit was to leave the college that I was going to, and I moved to New York City.
所以我的第一个重大放弃就是离开我要去的大学，然后我搬到了纽约市。
And then my next big quit was to quit the graduate program that I was in, and then I fell into this job.
然后我的下一个重大退出是退出我正在参加的研究生课程，然后我就陷入了这份工作。
And so now I have nothing left to quit.
所以现在我已经没有什么可以放弃的了。
I mean I've quit my boyfriend.
我的意思是我已经和男朋友分手了。
I've quit my city.
我已经离开了我的城市
I've quit my job.
我已经辞掉工作了。
And I have nothing left to quit.
我已经没有什么可以放弃的了。
And so really now there's nothing to do but build things up again.
所以现在确实没有什么可做的，只能重新建立起来。
Do you see what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗？
Yeah, but you say that as if you're just building them up for what will be the central fact of your life, which is then you're going to quit them.
是的，但你这么说就好像你只是为了成为你生活的中心事实而建立它们，然后你就会放弃它们。
That's right.
这是正确的。
The way I see it is that there's sort of like two basic, big, important concepts.
我的看法是，有两个基本的、大的、重要的概念。
OK?
好的？
And the first one is that nothing lasts forever.
第一个是没有什么是永恒的。
There is nothing that you can do that you can keep on doing forever.
没有什么事情是你可以永远持续做下去的。
Nothing.
没有什么。
That's it.
就是这样。
Period.
时期。
End of story.
故事结束。
And then the other big one is that you have to be doing something.
另一个重要的问题是你必须做点什么。
So my feeling is it's better to willfully quit whatever it is and then go on to the next thing that you have to be doing, because you have to be doing something, than to just kind of let things fall apart.
所以我的感觉是，最好是故意放弃任何事情，然后继续你必须做的下一件事情，因为你必须做某事，而不是让事情分崩离析。
The quitting cycle.
戒烟循环。
In everybody's life, there is something of a quitting cycle.
每个人的一生中，都会有一个戒烟周期。
So you can talk about adolescence being a time where people quit listening to their parents.
所以你可以说青春期是人们不再听父母的话的时期。
And then maybe in people's mid-to-late 20s, they start quitting places or even quitting people.
然后，也许在人们20多岁的时候，他们开始离开一些地方，甚至离开一些人。
And then later on in mid-life, I think that there's a little bit of a quitting thing going on, which some people call mid-life crisis, and I would probably call it the mid-life quit.
然后在中年以后，我认为会发生一些戒烟的事情，有些人称之为中年危机，我可能会称之为中年戒烟。
And then for older adults, I think they do quite a bit of quitting, too.
对于老年人来说，我认为他们也做了很多戒烟的事情。
I think that they basically quit giving a damn what people think of them and quit worrying about certain things.
我认为他们基本上不再关心人们对他们的看法，也不再担心某些事情。
There's the quitting cycle and then there's the nature of quitters, which I think is important.
有戒烟周期，还有戒烟者的本质，我认为这很重要。
I don't think quitters are lazy people necessarily.
我不认为放弃者一定是懒惰的人。
I mean some quitters are probably lazy, but I don't think that the essential nature of a quitter is to be lazy.
我的意思是有些放弃者可能很懒，但我不认为放弃者的本质就是懒惰。
I think that the essential nature of a quitter is to be able to cut their losses and move on.
我认为放弃者的本质是能够减少损失并继续前进。
Quitting is about being willful.
放弃是一种任性。
Quitting is about having one's own volition to do whatever.
戒烟是指凭自己的意志去做任何事情。
Can I ask you to reflect on why it is that you think the word "quitter" has such a pejorative connotation in our culture?
我能否请您反思一下，为什么您认为“放弃”这个词在我们的文化中具有如此贬义的含义？
Because I think of the last time I saw the word "quitter" and it was a cover of a magazine with Ross Perot on it, when he pulled out of the presidential race.
因为我想起我上次看到“放弃者”这个词时，那是一本印有罗斯·佩罗的杂志封面，当时他退出了总统竞选。
And the word "quitter" was above him.
而“放弃”这个词就在他的上方。
Just the notion of being a quitter was so shameful.
仅仅想到成为一个放弃者就太可耻了。
That was the message of it.
这就是它的信息。
The word "quitter" does have a negative connotation, and that's something that I would really like to change.
“放弃”这个词确实有负面含义，这是我真正想改变的。
I would really like to kidnap that word.
我真的很想绑架这个词。
I see quitters as people who have volition.
我认为戒烟者是有意志力的人。
Quitters never win and winners never quit, and that's completely untrue.
放弃者永远不会获胜，成功者永远不会放弃，这是完全不正确的。
I mean really the more things you quit, the more things you're going to do.
我的意思是，你放弃的事情越多，你要做的事情就越多。
And the more things you do, the more potential you have for success.
你做的事情越多，你成功的潜力就越大。
I mean, I would say that Quitter Quarterly as a thing is definitely pro-quitting propaganda.
我的意思是，我想说《戒烟季刊》绝对是支持戒烟的宣传。
I mean, absolutely.
我的意思是，绝对。
But I'm not so much describing-- well, maybe I'm describing a little bit what quits feel like.
但我并没有过多地描述——好吧，也许我只是描述了一点戒烟的感觉。
But I'm much more interested in the anatomy of quitting.
但我对戒烟的剖析更感兴趣。
I would say that the anatomy of an actual quit would vary, but the general form of a quit would be that the quitter thinks about it.
我想说的是，实际戒烟的具体情况会有所不同，但戒烟的一般形式是戒烟者思考它。
The quitter thinks about it some more.
放弃者再考虑一下。
The quitter quits.
放弃者放弃。
And then there's the post-quitting stuff.
然后是辞职后的事情。
I'm just going to stop that right there.
我要就此打住。
Are you following this particular point?
您遵循这一点吗？
Let's review those steps again, OK?
让我们再回顾一下这些步骤，好吗？
The anatomy of a quit.
戒烟的剖析。
The quitter thinks about it.
放弃者想了想。
Step two now.
现在第二步。
The quitter thinks about it some more.
放弃者再考虑一下。
To me this indicates somebody who actually has been in that position.
对我来说，这表明有人确实处于这个位置。
You don't just think about it.
你不只是想想而已。
It goes on for a really long, long time before you actually then do the quit.
在你真正戒烟之前，这种情况会持续很长很长一段时间。
Let's review.
我们来回顾一下。
That the quitter thinks about it.
放弃者会考虑这一点。
The quitter thinks about it some more.
放弃者再考虑一下。
The quitter quits.
放弃者放弃。
And then there's the post-quitting stuff.
然后是辞职后的事情。
Now, you know, we have all met in our lives people who have come to see the world through a single idea, people for whom all interaction can be explained by some scheme.
现在，你知道，我们在生活中都遇到过这样的人，他们通过一个单一的想法来看待世界，对他们来说，所有的互动都可以通过某种方案来解释。
And it could be a big idea.
这可能是一个伟大的想法。
It could be the laws of supply and demand, or Fundamentalist Christianity, or structuralist linguistic theory.
它可能是供求规律，或者原教旨主义基督教，或者结构主义语言理论。
Or it could be a small idea.
或者这可能是一个小想法。
The need for everybody to do aerobic exercise on a regular basis, or the danger of fluoridation, or CIA conspiracies dating back to the Bay of Pigs.
每个人都需要定期进行有氧运动，或者氟化物的危险，或者可以追溯到猪湾事件的中央情报局阴谋。
Who amongst us has not had a conversation on a train, or a plane, or at a party, or an in-law's house, where some earnest-faced person, full of evidence and theory, expounds at length on an idea like, if everyone on the earth would just stand on his or her head for an hour a day, there would be world peace?
我们当中谁没有在火车上、飞机上、聚会上或姻亲家中进行过谈话，其中有一些严肃的人，充满证据和理论，详细阐述了这样一个想法：如果地球上的每个人每天倒立一个小时，世界就会和平？
And if you talk to Evan Harris for a while, she'll tell you about the great quits which have driven world history, how, in fact, all the wars and strife of the millennia are, in fact, better understood as a series of quits.
如果你和埃文·哈里斯聊一会儿，她会告诉你推动世界历史发展的伟大退出，事实上，几千年来的所有战争和冲突如何更好地理解为一系列退出。
And as some people will do when they become obsessed with a single topic, she sometimes delves into quitting issues that are so esoteric, so erudite, that it would be hard, I think, for anyone else to not just understand them, but to care about them.
正如有些人沉迷于某个主题时会做的那样，她有时会深入研究那些深奥、博学的问题，我认为，其他人很难不仅理解它们，而且关心它们。
For example, she was trying to figure out a system for how to rate the importance of various types of quits.
例如，她试图找出一个系统来评估各种戒烟类型的重要性。
She actually created a mathematical model to do that that she was working on.
她实际上创建了一个数学模型来完成她正在研究的任务。
And during our interview, she repeated several times that quitting had a life of its own, a life separate from any of the quits that you might make or I might make or other people make.
在我们的采访中，她多次重复说，戒烟有其自己的生命周期，它与你、我或其他人可能做出的任何戒烟是分开的。
In her mind, it seemed that quitting-- was almost like a living thing, separate from the actions of human beings.
在她看来，戒烟——几乎就像是一种生物，与人类的行为无关。
Quitting itself has an identity, and your particular quit, one quitter's particular quit, fits into the world and all the other quitters in the world.
戒烟本身有一个身份，你的特定戒烟，一个戒烟者的特定戒烟，适合这个世界和世界上所有其他戒烟者。
And you have to remember that your quit is going to influence another person's quit, potentially.
而且你必须记住，你的戒烟可能会影响另一个人的戒烟。
The point of quitting is to move in the world and to get bigger and bigger as a person.
戒烟的目的是为了融入世界，让自己变得越来越伟大。
God damn.
该死的。
Sometimes I just start to sound like a nut basically about this.
有时我对此听起来就像个疯子。
I mean, what am I talking about?
我的意思是，我在说什么？
What am I talking about?
我在说什么？
You have to understand.
你必须明白。
This is so on my mind.
我心里就是这么想的。
I think about this all the time.
我一直在想这个。
I think about this all the time.
我一直在想这个。
I'm thinking about getting up and walking out of this room right now.
我现在正在考虑起身走出这个房间。
I really am.
我确实是。
Quitting is not just about how it feels to yourself.
戒烟不仅仅关乎你自己的感受。
No, I don't think that's true.
不，我不认为这是真的。
I don't think that's true.
我不认为这是真的。
And I think that people have to see themselves in a swim that way.
我认为人们必须以这种方式看待自己在游泳。
In a swim of quitting?
正在戒烟吗？
Evan Harris In a swim of quitting.
埃文·哈里斯 (Evan Harris) 正在戒烟。
In a swim of quitting with other swimmers, with other people who are quitting?
与其他游泳者、与其他正在戒烟的人一起退出游泳？
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass Evan, I have to say that you're saying people should be aware of themselves as being part of a world of quitting, and a world of people who are quitting, and a whole idea of the notion of quitting.
艾拉·格拉斯·埃文（Ira Glass Evan），我不得不说，你的意思是，人们应该意识到自己是一个戒烟世界的一部分，是一个正在戒烟的人的世界，以及一个关于戒烟概念的完整想法。
But I have to say, in all of my life, you are the only person I've ever met who thinks of it that way.
但我不得不说，在我的一生中，你是我见过的唯一一个这么想的人。
Oh, but you're so wrong about that.
哦，但你的想法大错特错了。
Oh well, maybe you're not wrong.
哦，好吧，也许你没有错。
Am I really the only person you've ever met who thinks of quitting in this way?
我真的是你见过的唯一一个想以这种方式戒烟的人吗？
You yourself said you didn't start to think about quitting in this way before February.
你自己也说过，你在二月份之前并没有开始考虑以这种方式戒烟。
Right, but just because I didn't start to think about it before February doesn't mean that no one else has ever thought of it before.
是的，但仅仅因为我在二月份之前没有开始考虑这个问题并不意味着其他人以前没有想过这个问题。
I wonder how long you're going to feel this way, how long you're going to be this interested in quitting.
我想知道你这种感觉会持续多久，你会对戒烟如此感兴趣多久。
I don't know how long I'll be interested in quitting.
我不知道要多久我才会有兴趣戒烟。
I think maybe what you're suggesting is that I'll get it out of my system and I'll be over it and it'll be done.
我想也许你的建议是我会把它从我的系统中删除，我会克服它，它会完成的。
But as I said before, I have quit everything.
但正如我之前所说，我已经放弃了一切。
I don't, in a very literal way, have anything to quit anymore.
从字面上看，我没有什么可以放弃的了。
I have no city.
我没有城市。
I have no boyfriend.
我没有男朋友。
I have no home.
我没有家。
Not that those are the only things in life.
并不是说这些是生活中唯一的事情。
I mean, I suppose I could quit smoking or quit eating things that are bad for me.
我的意思是，我想我可以戒烟或戒掉对我有害的东西。
There's a lot of little quits that I could execute which I might do just to tide me over.
我可以执行很多小放弃，我可能会这样做只是为了渡过难关。
But the thing about quitting is that it runs on a cycle so that now or soon-- not quite yet-- but soon, I'll be building more things up which I will quit.
但关于戒烟的事情是，它是一个循环，所以现在或很快——还没有——但很快，我就会建立更多我会戒掉的东西。
Are you sure?
你确定吗？
Evan Harris Yes, I am sure.
埃文·哈里斯 是的，我确信。
Evan Harris.
埃文·哈里斯。
If you would like a copy of Quitter Quarterly , get a pencil.
如果您想要一本《戒烟季刊》，请拿一支铅笔。
It's P.O.
这是 P.O.
Box 20515, Tompkins Square Station, New York, New York, 10009.
Box 20515，汤普金斯广场站，纽约，纽约，10009。
Again.
再次。
Quitter Quarterly , P.O.
戒烟季刊
Box 20515, Tompkins Square Station, New York, New York, 10009.
Box 20515，汤普金斯广场站，纽约，纽约，10009。
A copy is $0.25 plus the cost of one thin American stamp.
一份售价 0.25 美元，另加一张薄薄的美国邮票的费用。
Well, coming up in a minute, all the dogs in a suburban Los Angeles neighborhood quit their dull, suburban lives.
好吧，一会儿，洛杉矶郊区的所有狗都放弃了他们沉闷的郊区生活。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
[MUSIC - "DON'T FENCE ME IN" BY ELLA FITZGERALD]
[音乐 - 艾拉·菲茨杰拉德的《别围攻我》]
This is Sandra Tsing Loh in Los Angeles, sitting at the piano, and this is a story about quitting.
这是洛杉矶的 Sandra Tsing Loh，坐在钢琴前，这是一个关于戒烟的故事。
Right now it is at that moment of the day, that sour, late afternoon moment, when the orangey rays of the fading afternoon sun slant across patches of-- not exactly lawn, but a kind of leathery Bermuda clover that springs up in the West Valley after the rain.
现在正是一天中的那个时刻，那个阴郁的午后时刻，午后夕阳的橙色光芒斜射在一片片土地上——不完全是草坪，而是雨后在西谷长出的一种坚韧的百慕大三叶草。
And a dog realizes that his world is not a swirling universe of endless possibility, of good and evil, of constantly banging up against the portals of Blakean excess.
一只狗意识到，他的世界并不是一个充满无限可能性、善与恶、不断撞击布莱克过剩之门的漩涡宇宙。
But it is a 10x15 foot yard with a locked gate at the end.
但这是一个 10x15 英尺的院子，末端有一个锁着的门。
And your kibble isn't even the good kibble.
而且你的粗粮甚至都不是好的粗粮。
It's the Lady Lee bargain kibble.
这是李女士特价粗粮。
And the only reason to get up in the morning is to chase a blue rubber ball with a bell in it.
早上起床的唯一原因就是追逐一个里面有铃铛的蓝色橡皮球。
And life seems as drab and dry as dust, at least so it seems today to two particular dogs-- Joey, a large silver-haired Australian Shepherd with no tail but a wagging skirt, and his companion, Flipper, of a German Shepherd-Terrier mix, which makes him small and yappy.
生活似乎像灰尘一样单调和干燥，至少今天对两只特别的狗来说是这样——乔伊，一只银毛的澳大利亚牧羊犬，没有尾巴，只有一条摇曳的裙子；还有他的同伴，弗利珀，是德国牧羊犬和梗犬的混种，这使得他身材矮小，爱叫。
But then, at that moment, Joey and Flipper hear this magical call.
但就在那时，乔伊和弗利珀听到了这个神奇的呼唤。
It is Rusty and Boots, the neighborhood dog sentinels.
这是拉斯蒂和布茨，邻居的狗哨兵。
Excitedly, they are barking out a message.
他们兴奋地大声喊出一条消息。
"There's something going on in the alley.
“巷子里出事了。
There's something going on in the alley." One by one, each other dog in the neighborhood-- Ginger and Patches and Blueberry and Joey and Flipper-- bolt to their back gates, trying to press their moist noses through the wooden slats to see what's going on as they raise their voices in a joyous canine cacophony.
巷子里出事了。”附近的每只狗——金杰、帕奇斯、蓝莓、乔伊和弗利珀——都一一冲向自家的后门，试图将湿润的鼻子压进木板条看看发生了什么，同时它们提高了声音，发出欢乐的犬类声音。
And indeed, there in the alley it is the most famous dog of all time, Buck, the Husky from Jack London's Call of the Wild .
事实上，在这条小巷里，有有史以来最著名的狗，巴克，杰克·伦敦的《野性的呼唤》中的哈士奇。
He stands effortlessly on his hind legs, his ruff is beautifully fluffed, and in kind of a debonair, Howard Keel-type way, he sings in shimmering tenor, "Come, you dogs.
他毫不费力地用后腿站立，他的颈毛漂亮地蓬松，以一种霍华德·基尔式的温文尔雅的方式，用闪闪发光的男高音唱道：“来吧，你们这些狗。
Come, you doggies.
来吧，你们这些狗狗。
Come, you dogs.
来吧，你们这些狗。
Come to Canada.
来加拿大吧。
Canada.
加拿大。
Big mountains, big valleys, big sky, big water.
大山、大峡谷、大天空、大水。
It's Marlboro country."
这是万宝路的国家。”
Joey and Flipper can almost hear the National Geographic theme playing.
乔伊和弗利珀几乎能听到国家地理主题曲的演奏。
It is the sound of 2,000 Maasai warriors, hirpling across the desert with their spears pointing of the mysterious curve of the horn of the wildebeest and of the water buffalo, of the veiled gaze of a red-nostriled mandrill monkey.
这是 2000 名马赛战士的声音，他们用长矛疾驰穿过沙漠，矛尖指向角马和水牛角的神秘曲线，指向红鼻孔山魈猴隐藏的目光。
It is so exciting that, one by one, the dogs overleap their back gates, which used to be impossible, but now seems ridiculously easy.
令人兴奋的是，狗一只接一只地越过后门，这在过去是不可能的，但现在看起来轻而易举。
There goes Ginger and Patches and Blueberry and Rusty and Boots and Flipper!
还有姜、补丁、蓝莓、生锈、靴子和脚蹼！
"Come, you dogs.
“来吧，你们这些狗。
Come, you doggies.
来吧，你们这些狗狗。
Come, you dogs.
来吧，你们这些狗。
Come on.
来吧。
And Joey!
还有乔伊！
And Joey."
还有乔伊。”
And Joey, who at this humiliating moment cannot quite get his lardy, overweight body, stuffed full of too many Cheetos and Doritos quite over that back gate.
而乔伊，在这个羞辱性的时刻，他无法完全摆脱他那胖胖的身体，在后门上塞满了太多的奇多和多力多滋。
Buck has to athletically leap behind and push against his big behind, as though it were one of Yul Brynner's obelisks in The Ten Commandments.
巴克必须以运动方式向后跳跃并推动他的大屁股，就好像它是《十诫》中尤·伯连纳的方尖碑之一。
And Joey's over.
乔伊结束了。
And his skirt lifts out behind him like a magic cape.
他的裙子像魔法斗篷一样在身后升起。
And he and the other dogs are sailing, flying over the San Fernando Valley.
他和其他狗正在航行，飞越圣费尔南多谷。
For the first time, they look down at the humming suburban grid that was outside that back gate the whole time.
他们第一次俯视一直在后门外嗡嗡作响的郊区电网。
The slowly revolving orange and yellow sign of the Canoga Park Motor Inn, Canoga Park Bowl.
卡诺加公园碗 (Canoga Park Bowl) 的卡诺加公园汽车旅馆 (Canoga Park Motor Inn) 缓慢旋转的橙色和黄色标志。
Canoga Park Motor Inn, Canoga Park Bowl.
卡诺加公园汽车旅馆，卡诺加公园碗。
Canoga Park Motor Inn, Canoga Park Bowl-- and the Yoshinoya Beef Bowl.
卡诺加公园汽车旅馆 (Canoga Park Motor Inn)、卡诺加公园碗 (Canoga Park Bowl) 和吉野家牛肉碗 (Yoshinoya Beef Bowl)。
And the Winnetka 5 Drive-in movie theater, which is playing Nightmare on Elm Street Part 5 again.
还有 Winnetka 5 汽车影院，正在再次播放《猛鬼街第 5 部分》。
And Roscoe and [?
还有罗斯科和[？
Sadequois, ?] those harsh West Valley speedways over which grimy King Auto Bear shops glower.
Sadequois，？]那些严酷的西谷高速公路，肮脏的国王汽车熊商店在其上怒目而视。
And the yellow ranch-style houses with their balding lawns, whose occupants keep using the drought as an excuse for letting everything go to pot.
还有黄色的牧场式房屋，草坪已经秃了，居住者总是以干旱为借口，让一切都陷入困境。
Occupants who eek out their sad, daily lives of quiet desperation.
居住者在平静的绝望中度过悲伤的日常生活。
Prisoners of the People Magazine demographics which enslave them.
《人物杂志》人口统计数据的囚徒，奴役了他们。
Their favorite TV shows being blank cyphers, like Full House and Empty Nest .
他们最喜欢的电视节目是空白密码，例如《满屋》和《空巢》。
And never, in the history of Western civilization, has the nest seemed quite so empty as it does today.
在西方文明史上，巢穴从来没有像今天这样空荡过。
But to the dogs, the suburban grid is the most fascinating thing they've ever seen.
但对于狗来说，郊区的网格是它们见过的最迷人的东西。
"But you think that's amazing," says Buck.
“但你认为这太棒了，”巴克说。
"Wait 'til you are skimming with me over the ice flows of the Arctic tundra and all around you snowy mountain peaks are raising like cathedral spires.
“等到你和我一起掠过北极苔原的冰流，你周围的雪山峰像大教堂的尖顶一样升起。
And the air is clean, Zestfully clean and manly and good." And with that, as if in a Spielberg film, the dogs sail away from it all, over the Angeles Crest mountains, disappearing in a burst of a magical star shower.
空气很干净，非常干净，有男子气概，很好。”就这样，就像在斯皮尔伯格电影中一样，狗们驶离了这一切，越过安吉利斯克雷斯特山脉，消失在一阵神奇的星雨中。
Night is falling, adventure calling.
夜幕降临，冒险在召唤。
Night is falling, adventure calling.
夜幕降临，冒险在召唤。
[MUSIC - "DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT (DISAPPEAR)" BY BRAVE COMBO]
[音乐 - BRAVE COMBO 的“做一些不同的事情（消失）”]
Lisa Buscani and more coming up.
丽莎·布斯卡尼 (Lisa Buscani) 等更多作品即将推出。
It's Your Radio Playhouse.
这是您的广播剧场。
It is Your Radio Playhouse.
这是您的广播剧场。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
All right, let's review.
好吧，我们来回顾一下。
The stages of quitting according to Ms. Evan Harris, editor, co-writer of Quitter Quarterly .
《戒烟季刊》编辑兼合著者埃文·哈里斯女士介绍了戒烟的各个阶段。
The stages of quitting.
戒烟的阶段。
You think about it.
你想想吧。
You think about it some more.
你再考虑一下。
Then maybe you quit.
那么也许你就放弃了。
Maybe you feel that quitting euphoria as you soar over the suburbs with your doggy friends towards Canada.
当你和你的狗狗朋友一起飞过郊区飞往加拿大时，也许你会感到不再有兴奋感。
But I think that it is just as likely that you do not quit.
但我认为你也很可能不会放弃。
I think it's just as likely that you stay suspended in a kind of long-term, pre-quitting confusion for weeks and months.
我认为你很可能会陷入一种长期的、戒烟前的困惑中数周甚至数月的状态。
When is it time to quit?
什么时候该戒烟？
When is enough enough?
什么时候才够呢？
Go ahead.
前进。
If you try to touch me, I will kill you in a [BLEEP] minute.
如果你试图碰我，我会在 [BLEEP] 分钟内杀死你。
In a [BLEEP] minute.
在 [BLEEP] 分钟内。
Not one minute.
不到一分钟。
30 seconds.
30秒。
If there ever was a couple that seemed like it should quit its relationship, I would say that this one would pretty much qualify.
如果有一对夫妇似乎应该放弃这段关系，我会说这一对几乎符合资格。
This is Ray, the voice you just heard, and he lived for years with a guy named Peter.
这是雷，你刚才听到的声音，他和一个叫彼得的人住了很多年。
And these are real people.
这些都是真实的人。
And this comes from a very unusual CD that I have here called Shut Up, Little Man .
这来自一张非常不寻常的 CD，我在这里称之为《闭嘴，小男人》。
It's called that because one of them is always saying to the other one, "Shut up, little man." And the recordings were made by the next-door neighbors of Raymond and Peter.
之所以这么称呼，是因为其中一个总是对另一个说：“闭嘴，小家伙。”录音是雷蒙德和彼得的隔壁邻居录制的。
This all happened in San Francisco in the late 1980s.
这一切都发生在 20 世纪 80 年代末的旧金山。
And as they say in the liner notes, the apartment building this took place in was built like a cheap motel and had very thin walls.
正如他们在班轮笔记中所说，发生这一事件的公寓楼建造得像廉价汽车旅馆，墙壁非常薄。
I'm just going to read this.
我只是要读一下这个。
This is the neighbors writing.
这是邻居写的。
"Within a week of arrival, we were exposed to what would become a dependable routine from our next-door neighbors.
“抵达后一周内，我们就接触到了隔壁邻居的可靠习惯。
Evenings charged with belligerent rants, hateful harangues, drunken soliloquies, death threats, and the sound of wrestling bodies thumping against the wall that separated our apartments.
晚上充满了好斗的咆哮、仇恨的长篇大论、醉酒的独白、死亡威胁，以及摔跤的声音撞在分隔我们公寓的墙上。
They fought with a raging abandon and total disregard for everyone in the building."
他们疯狂地战斗，完全无视大楼里的每个人。”
The two guys, the neighbors who moved in-- Eddie Lee Sausage and Mitchell D.
这两个家伙，搬进来的邻居——埃迪·李·香肠（Eddie Lee Sausage）和米切尔·D.
are their names.
是他们的名字。
They started taping Raymond and Peter.
他们开始给雷蒙德和彼得录音。
And at first, they just did this because they really thought that at some point somebody might try to kill somebody else, and they thought it would be important to have real evidence.
起初，他们这样做只是因为他们真的认为在某个时候有人可能会试图杀死别人，而且他们认为拥有真实的证据很重要。
Again, they say in the liner notes, "The first crudely-recorded session featured a monologue by Ray muttering to himself about his desire to kill.
他们在衬里的注释中再次说道，“第一次粗略录制的会议以雷的独白为特色，他自言自语地讲述了他的杀人欲望。
There was something so nakedly sinister about the recording that we were shocked, mystified.
这段录音里有一种赤裸裸的险恶，让我们感到震惊和困惑。
At the same time, it instilled in us a hunger for more."
与此同时，它也让我们产生了对更多东西的渴望。”
So these two guys-- names of Eddie Lee Sausage and Mitchell D.-- who made these recordings, say that they actually never figured out if Raymond and Peter were a gay couple or if they were just straight roommates.
因此，制作这些录音的这两个人——埃迪·李·香肠和米切尔·D·——说他们实际上从来没有弄清楚雷蒙德和彼得是同性恋伴侣还是只是异性恋室友。
It is clear that homosexuality is on the minds of Raymond and Peter a lot, a whole lot.
显然，雷蒙德和彼得经常关注同性恋问题。
An unusual amount of time on the CD to rants about how much they hate gays.
CD 上用了不同寻常的时间来咆哮他们有多么讨厌同性恋。
Raymond and Peter, that is.
就是雷蒙德和彼得。
They rant about this so much that you really began to wonder, what is this obsession about?
他们对此如此咆哮，以至于你真的开始想知道，这种痴迷到底是为了什么？
What is it about?
这是关于什么的？
You get that kind of methinks-the-lady-protest-too-much sort of feeling very early on.
你很早就有一种我认为女士抗议太多的感觉。
But I digress.
但我离题了。
I bring it here onto this, our Radio Playhouse radio program today, because it includes warning signs about when it is time to quit a relationship, I think.
我今天把它带到我们的 Radio Playhouse 广播节目中，因为我认为它包含了关于何时该退出一段关系的警告信号。
The thing about this couple is that they get into a kind of fight that only very well-established couples or roommates or people who work together get into.
这对夫妇的问题在于，他们陷入了一种只有非常稳定的夫妻、室友或一起工作的人才会发生的争吵。
And that is it's a fight which begins with the smallest fact of daily life.
这就是一场从日常生活中最小的事实开始的战斗。
They literally actually get into a fight about cutting their toenails.
他们真的因为剪脚趾甲而发生争执。
And then suddenly everything is riding on cutting their toenails.
然后突然之间，一切都取决于他们剪脚趾甲了。
Everybody's pride.
每个人的骄傲。
Everybody's self-image.
每个人都有自我形象。
Everything is on the table with this life or death ferocity.
一切都摆在桌面上，生死攸关。
When you find yourself in that situation, it's time to start thinking about, maybe I should quit this relationship.
当你发现自己处于这种情况时，是时候开始考虑，也许我应该退出这段关系。
I can see you trying to cut your toenails.
我看到你正试图剪脚趾甲。
I don't want to see you cut your toenails.
我不想看到你剪脚趾甲。
So why would I worry about it?
那么我为什么要担心呢？
For god's sake, shut up, little man.
看在上帝的份上，闭嘴，小家伙。
I don't want to watch you cut your toenails.
我不想看你剪脚趾甲。
I would like to have eaten tonight also, but I can't because of you talking about toenails.
我今晚也想吃东西，但我不能，因为你在谈论脚趾甲。
You know, we've been trying to watch this TV show.
你知道，我们一直在努力观看这个电视节目。
Can't we watch it?
我们不能看吗？
Why should you watch this, you [BLEEP] piece of [BLEEP]?
你为什么要看这个，你的[BLEEP]片段[BLEEP]？
All you are is a [BLEEP] queer mother [BLEEP] and you want to watch queer [BLEEP].
你只是一个[BLEEP]酷儿妈妈[BLEEP]，并且你想看酷儿[BLEEP]。
I don't want to watch that [BLEEP].
我不想看那个[BLEEP]。
Don't do that.
不要那样做。
Do not do that.
不要那样做。
What do you want us to do?
你想让我们做什么？
[INTERPOSING VOICES] We're watching Wheel of Fortune , just--
[插话]我们正在看《命运之轮》，只是——
You watch a bunch of [BLEEP] queer mother [BLEEP].
你看一群[BLEEP]酷儿妈妈[BLEEP]。
I don't want to watch queer mother [BLEEP].
我不想看酷儿妈妈[BLEEP]。
I want to watch something decent, like--
我想看一些像样的东西，比如——
Sorry.
抱歉。
Go somewhere else and watch it then.
然后去别的地方看看。
Don't touch-
别碰-
Don't you touch me.
别碰我。
You were the one that put your hands on me.
是你把手放在我身上的。
Don't do that.
不要那样做。
Get the [BLEEP] out.
把[BLEEP]拿出来。
Get your [BLEEP] hands off me, you [BLEEP].
把你的[BLEEP]手从我身上拿开，你[BLEEP]。
You go sit down.
你去坐下吧。
Ray You better get your hands off me.
雷 你最好把手从我身上拿开。
You go to hell!
你去地狱吧！
Peter I smell like a human being.
彼得，我闻起来像个人。
You smell like a [BLEEP] dog.
你闻起来像只[哔]狗。
You are a dog.
你是一只狗。
I took a bath today.
我今天洗澡了。
You ain't took a bath in three days.
你三天没洗澡了
You just stop it.
你就停下来吧。
Peter You're a stinking [BLEEP] piece of [BLEEP].
彼得，你是一个臭[BLEEP]的[BLEEP]片段。
Dirty man, go to the bathroom.
肮脏的家伙，去洗手间吧。
[GIGGLING] Peter No, they don't.
[咯咯笑]彼得不，他们没有。
Go ahead and giggle.
继续咯咯笑吧。
Giggle all you want to!
你想怎么笑就怎么笑吧！
Giggle.
傻笑。
Giggle, dirty little man.
咯咯笑，肮脏的小男人。
You always giggle falsely.
你总是假笑。
You don't have a decent giggle in you.
你没有像样的咯咯笑声。
I am a decent-- Peter Shut up, little man.
我是一个正派的人——彼得 闭嘴，小个子。
Why don't these guys quit each other?
为什么这些人不互相放弃呢？
I think part of it-- and I actually think one of the most striking things about these recordings-- is the intimacy of these arguments.
我认为其中一部分——实际上我认为这些录音中最引人注目的事情之一——是这些争论的亲密性。
Arguing can be one of the most intimate things that people can do together.
争论可能是人们可以一起做的最亲密的事情之一。
It's this mutually shared moment.
这是共同的时刻。
I'm going to play you one more cut that really illustrates this in a kind of-- I don't know if "chilling" is the right word, but it's disturbing.
我将再给你们播放一个片段，它以某种方式真正说明了这一点——我不知道“令人不寒而栗”这个词是否正确，但这令人不安。
In the middle of a big argument, one of them is so inside the other one's head and knows so much about him that, at one point, to humiliate him, he starts to call him women's names.
在一场激烈的争吵中，其中一个人对另一个人的了解如此之多，以至于在某一时刻，为了羞辱他，他开始用女性的名字称呼他。
OK, Mabel.
好的，梅布尔。
I don't attack.
我不攻击。
I don't attack, Mabel.
我不会攻击，梅布尔。
You ain't nothing but a [BLEEP] piece of [BLEEP].
你只不过是[BLEEP]的[BLEEP]片段。
Try, Mabel.
试试吧，梅布尔。
Try, Mabel.
试试吧，梅布尔。
Ray You try to attack me, I'll kill you.
雷 你想攻击我，我就杀了你。
All right.
好的。
What do you think of Mabel?
你觉得梅布尔怎么样？
You try.
你试试。
Don't try to tempt me.
别试图诱惑我。
Peter You try and you're going to be done.
彼得，你尝试一下，你就会完成的。
I'm not going to attack you.
我不会攻击你。
[INAUDIBLE] Peter I am waiting for you right here.
[听不清] 彼得，我在这里等你。
I came here!
我来了！
Peter Don't be a fool.
彼得 别傻了。
Don't be a fool, little man.
别傻了，小男人。
I've told you that you're a-- Peter OK, Alice.
我已经告诉过你，你是——彼得，好吧，爱丽丝。
OK, Julie.
好的，朱莉。
Go back in there.
回到那里去吧。
[INAUDIBLE PHRASE] Peter Sally June, Abigail May, this is just too much.
[听不清的短语]Peter Sally June，Abigail May，这实在是太多了。
You [BLEEP] piece of [BLEEP].
你[BLEEP]一片[BLEEP]。
Peter You can't take nobody.
彼得 你不能带走任何人。
You're a sick little man.
你是个生病的小男人。
I am healthy.
我很健康。
Peter You're a sick little man--
彼得，你是个生病的小男人——
You're a [BLEEP].
你是一个[BLEEP]。
Peter --who is dying from the same thing your brother died of.
彼得——他也死于你哥哥同样的病。
Bull [BLEEP].
公牛[哔]。
Ira Glass The utter cruelty of that last comment is just breathtaking.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 最后一句话的残酷程度令人震惊。
They do talk about leaving each other on the CD, but they never do leave each other.
他们确实谈论过在CD上离开彼此，但他们从未真正离开过彼此。
As Evan Harris says, the stages of quitting.
正如埃文·哈里斯所说，戒烟的各个阶段。
OK.
好的。
You think about it.
你想想吧。
You think it some more.
你再想一下吧。
Sometimes you quit.
有时你会放弃。
And in their case, you just keep thinking about it some more.
对于他们的情况，你只需再多思考一下即可。
Part one, Work.
第一部分，工作。
The morning began with weight.
早晨从体重开始。
My head sown down to an unbearably heavy burden, pinned to the narcotic pillow.
我的头承受着难以承受的沉重负担，被钉在麻醉枕头上。
My eyes like their lids shut.
我的眼睛就像眼皮合上一样。
Blindness would hinder my motion.
失明会阻碍我的行动。
My arms and legs remembered the heavy metal burned into their sense memory and refused me the grace I needed to get through the day.
我的胳膊和腿记得重金属烧进了他们的感官记忆，拒绝了我度过这一天所需的优雅。
My body's refusal to function was in the name of survival.
我的身体以生存的名义拒绝运作。
If I moved, that meant I would get up.
如果我动了，那就意味着我会站起来。
If I got up, I would probably take a shower and get dressed.
如果我起床，我可能会洗澡并穿衣服。
If I did that, I would go to work, to unspeakable, unthinkable horror.
如果我这么做了，我就会去上班，带着无法形容、难以想象的恐惧。
Now, don't get me wrong.
现在，别误会我的意思。
I have nothing against work per se.
我并不反对工作本身。
The concept of joining shoulder-to-shoulder with efficient, enthusiastic coworkers, discovering problems, crafting solutions, pushing onward, always onward via honest sweat of brow is attractive to me.
与高效、热情的同事并肩作战，发现问题，制定解决方案，推动前进，通过诚实的汗水始终前进，这种理念对我很有吸引力。
I think of well-constructed women in business suits, the ones who really know how to tie a scarf, dashing through airports to catch that last flight to Rome, manhandling a potential empire crashing crisis, and spending an exhausted yet satisfied overnight in the company pensione.
我想到那些身着西装、身材匀称的女性，她们真正知道如何系围巾，冲过机场赶上飞往罗马的最后一班航班，粗暴地处理潜在的帝国崩溃危机，并在公司养老金中度过疲惫但满足的一夜。
I think of post office murals and 1950's communist propaganda.
我想到了邮局壁画和 1950 年代的共产主义宣传。
Strong, textured, geometric men in the stoic blue of the overall and the work shirt, reverently folding open the land, courageously braving the hell of the forge, lifting their ruddy cheeks and angular chins to God or government, simply, deeply, thankful for their job.
强壮、有质感、几何形状的男人穿着坚忍的蓝色工装裤和工作衬衫，虔诚地打开土地，勇敢地勇敢地勇敢地走进锻造厂的地狱，向上帝或政府抬起红润的脸颊和棱角分明的下巴，简单而深深地感谢他们的工作。
That was work to me, not the salaried conflagration I went to every day.
这对我来说是工作，而不是我每天都会经历的薪水大火。
I worked at a small trade journal in the suburbs where I handled various layout and writing tasks.
我在郊区的一家小型贸易杂志社工作，负责处理各种布局和写作任务。
It was a tiny firm, a mom and pop organization, if you will, starring Leona Helmsley as mom.
如果你愿意的话，那是一家小公司，一个妈妈和流行组织，由利昂娜·赫尔姆斯利 (Leona Helmsley) 饰演妈妈。
The publisher was a shrunken, shrewish woman in her 50's, the kind of woman who thought the word "broad" was a badge of honor.
出版商是一位50多岁、身材瘦削、泼辣的女人，是那种认为“广泛”这个词是一种荣誉徽章的女人。
She fancied herself the last of the old Chicago newsies, barking her wisdom from her stuffy, windowless office, her cover sticks sweating off the gin blossoms in her nose, one of an endless supply of beige stained Virginia Slims dangling from her lipless mouth.
她幻想自己是最后一位芝加哥老报童，在闷热、没有窗户的办公室里大喊大叫，鼻子里的杜松子酒花在封面上流汗，无唇的嘴里叼着源源不绝的米色维吉尼亚细身威士忌。
Her motto was this-- yell, yell, and yell some more.
她的座右铭是——大喊大叫，再大喊大叫。
If they're there the next morning, you've lost your touch.
如果第二天早上他们还在那里，你就失去了联系。
It was as if Satan had made a foray into human resources.
就好像撒旦已经侵入人力资源一样。
She stood over my shoulder constantly, criticizing my work with raptorial fervor, waiting like a blood-mouthed hyena for the moment when I tripped up and made an error.
她不断地站在我的肩膀上，以猛烈的热情批评我的工作，像一只血口鬣狗一样等待着我绊倒和犯错误的那一刻。
And when I did screw up, as employees inevitably do when told they can do nothing else, she was all over me like drone bees to the queen.
当我确实搞砸了时，正如员工被告知他们无能为力时不可避免地会做的那样，她就像雄蜂对蜂王一样在我身边。
I was not capable of being right.
我没有能力说对。
The presumption that I could be right, that I could even have an opinion, infuriated her.
假设我可能是对的，我什至可以有自己的观点，这激怒了她。
Any argument I sputtered in my defense was dissected, mocked, and negated.
我在辩护中提出的任何论点都会遭到剖析、嘲笑和否定。
After all, how can one question the wisdom of a woman who cornered the floral industry tabloid market?
毕竟，我们怎么能质疑一位垄断花卉行业小报市场的女性的智慧呢？
It was better to tip my neck open and let her drink.
最好把我的脖子张开让她喝。
As horrible as it was, I couldn't just leave.
尽管这很可怕，但我不能就这样离开。
She paid me $12,000 a year.
她每年付给我 12,000 美元。
Even with a second job on weekends, I barely got by.
即使周末有第二份工作，我也勉强度日。
I rarely went out anywhere.
我很少出去任何地方。
I felt like restaurants were meant for other people.
我觉得餐馆是为其他人准备的。
The world seemed to narrow to the places where I could and could not go.
世界似乎变得狭窄，只有我能去和不能去的地方。
My friends nicknamed me Florence Nightingale.
我的朋友们给我起了个绰号：弗洛伦斯·南丁格尔。
No one could nurse a drink like I could.
没有人能像我一样调酒。
I bought the cheapest food possible, the cheapest clothes available, and forgot about cutting my hair.
我买了最便宜的食物，最便宜的衣服，却忘了剪头发。
My thought process was consistently reduced to the bottom line.
我的思维过程一直被简化为底线。
Basically, the job taught me one thing-- how to live a life with little or no option.
基本上，这份工作教会了我一件事——如何在没有选择或没有选择的情况下生活。
And after a while, I was incapable of imagining myself in any other circumstance.
过了一段时间，我无法想象自己处于任何其他情况。
Forget about my college degree and all the experience I obtained.
忘记我的大学学位和我获得的所有经验。
This was how it was and always would be.
过去是这样，以后也永远是这样。
If you thought about it too much, it became hard to breathe.
想得太多，就会呼吸困难。
The breaking came when review time rolled around, two months later than she said it would when she hired me.
当审查时间到来时，突破发生了，比她雇用我时所说的时间晚了两个月。
She told me she wasn't going to give me a raise.
她告诉我她不会给我加薪。
Raises were given on merit in her office, she said.
她说，她的办公室是根据表现加薪的。
My work did not merit a raise.
我的工作不值得加薪。
The room was suddenly very literally light.
房间突然变得非常明亮。
It was almost too bright in the room to look at her without wincing.
房间里的光线太亮了，看着她，她都会皱起眉头。
I could hear the hum of the office lamps.
我能听到办公室灯的嗡嗡声。
I was amazed at my calm.
我对自己的冷静感到惊讶。
I stood, walked to my desk, took my office keys off the chain, and walked out the door.
我站起来，走到办公桌前，从链子上取下办公室钥匙，然后走出门。
I did not know what I was going to do and, blessedly, I did not care.
我不知道自己要做什么，幸运的是，我不在乎。
I sat quietly on the train back to the city, feeling my back muscles slowly unravel and my stomach lift six inches into my heart.
我安静地坐在回城的火车上，感觉背部肌肉慢慢松弛，胃部向心脏升起六英寸。
The warmth started in my cheeks and spread down to my fingers, down to my feet.
温暖从我的脸颊开始蔓延到我的手指，一直到我的脚。
My lungs expanded completely, which hurt a bit.
我的肺部完全扩张，有点痛。
It felt like I had been swimming all day and had forgotten to breathe.
感觉就像我已经游泳一整天而忘记了呼吸。
I didn't mind the pain.
我不介意疼痛。
Peace is a fine travelling companion.
和平是一个很好的旅行伴侣。
Lisa Buscani.
丽莎·布斯卡尼。
More from her in a minute.
一分钟后她会提供更多信息。
But first this song from Robert Metrick, first performed in Chicago's Club Lower Lengths.
但首先是这首来自 Robert Metrick 的歌曲，首先在芝加哥的 Club Lower Lengths 中表演。
You're listening to Your Radio Playhouse.
您正在收听“您的广播剧场”。
[MUSIC - "THE CALENDAR SONG" BY ROBERT METRICK]
[音乐 - 罗伯特·麦特里克的《日历之歌》]
Part two, Love.
第二部分，爱。
When we started, he and I, I was thin.
当我们开始时，他和我，我很瘦。
My face was a diamond, all clean walls.
我的脸是钻石，墙壁干净。
Nothing held me back.
没有什么能阻止我。
Not my clothes, not my lack of money.
不是我的衣服，不是我缺钱。
I was weightless but I had control, like astronauts after they learn to swim properly in space.
我虽然失重，但我有控制力，就像宇航员学会在太空中正确游泳后一样。
Our conversations used to overlap and dovetail and interweave, and occasionally we'd stop to breathe.
我们的谈话常常重叠、吻合、交织，偶尔我们会停下来喘口气。
Great pictures of limitless futures, expensive and unfettered.
无限未来的伟大图景，昂贵且不受约束。
That's how we talked it.
我们就是这样谈的。
I tried to break my visions down to see how to make them happen and he just made his bigger, which is one way of doing it, I guess.
我试图分解我的愿景，看看如何实现它们，而他只是让他的愿景变得更大，我想，这是实现这一目标的一种方式。
When we made love, we knew how to forget ourselves.
当我们做爱时，我们知道如何忘记自己。
That, I'm convinced, is passion.
我坚信，这就是激情。
To kiss him so hard and hold him so hard that the act itself is forgotten.
如此用力地吻他、抱他，以至于忘记了这个动作本身。
And all that is remembered is skin and hair and warmth.
所记得的只是皮肤、头发和温暖。
That's a gift.
那是一份礼物。
That's something we kept for a long, long time.
这是我们保留了很长一段时间的东西。
The decline was relatively slow.
下降幅度相对缓慢。
Every time we fought, I took the opportunity to shift the relationship from one shoulder to another just to give myself a break and better balance.
每次我们吵架时，我都会趁机将关系从一个肩膀转移到另一个肩膀，只是为了给自己一个休息和更好的平衡。
And we'd start again.
我们会重新开始。
I had carried us a long time.
我已经陪伴我们很久了。
He could say that, too, I suppose.
我想他也可以这么说。
I started gaining weight, and that seemed to be the theme of it.
我的体重开始增加，这似乎就是它的主题。
It became harder and harder to get down to the bone.
深入骨髓变得越来越困难。
The way we were put together began to escape me.
我开始忘记我们在一起的方式。
When we made love, we suddenly knew exactly where we were and what was going on.
当我们做爱时，我们突然清楚地知道我们在哪里以及发生了什么。
It was one of those great sadnesses that you carry in your throat.
这是你喉咙里的巨大悲伤之一。
I couldn't quit it because this was one so easy.
我无法放弃它，因为这太容易了。
On the morning of the first night he stayed with me, I woke up and looked at him and found home.
他和我住在一起的第一天早上，我醒来，看着他，就找到了家。
I could fold myself into him, into the warmth found in those deco corners.
我可以将自己融入他的怀抱中，融入那些装饰角落里的温暖之中。
I couldn't quit it because I had been alone much of my life.
我无法放弃它，因为我一生中大部分时间都是孤独的。
To be alone again meant an energy my aging had confiscated.
再次孤独意味着我的衰老已经没收了我的能量。
And even though I was still alone with him, a future was the crumb of consolation.
尽管我仍然单独和他在一起，但未来已经是一点安慰了。
I couldn't quit it because it didn't fit the only picture I had.
我无法放弃它，因为它不适合我唯一的照片。
My parents knew the necessary work of love.
我的父母知道爱的必要作用。
They were the model here.
他们是这里的模特。
If they could work dogged for their heart, so could I, I thought.
我想，如果他们能坚持不懈地为自己的心工作，我也能。
I couldn't quit it because of winter.
因为冬天我无法戒掉它。
I can't stand to sleep alone in the cold.
我无法忍受在寒冷中独自入睡。
The end happened several times, actually.
实际上，结局发生了好几次。
We would inevitably hook up again and mess around.
我们不可避免地会再次勾搭起来，到处乱搞。
We just didn't look in each other's eyes is all.
我们只是没有看对方的眼睛而已。
One night we were eating dinner and his smile was less than honest.
一天晚上，我们正在吃晚饭，他的笑容不太诚实。
And I thought, well, then this is it.
我想，好吧，那就这样吧。
I said, I've been working far too hard for far too long.
我说，我已经工作得太辛苦太久了。
And he agreed, and I wanted him to fight it, and was disappointed by how light he was.
他同意了，我希望他能够抗争，但对他的体重感到失望。
Smiling, so ready to fly.
微笑着，准备起飞。
I felt light, too, but it was the way you are before you catch a cold, all unfocused and buzzing.
我也感觉很轻松，但这就是你感冒之前的样子，注意力不集中，嗡嗡作响。
And the chill comes from inside.
而且寒气是从里面传来的。
Lisa Buscani.
丽莎·布斯卡尼。
Act Four: Act Four Ira Glass Dwight Okita has this poem about quitting from his book Crossing with the Light .
第四幕：第四幕 艾拉·格拉斯·德怀特·冲田（Ira Glass Dwight Okita）在他的书《与光交叉》中写了一首关于退出的诗。
He wrote it back when he worked as a dance instructor.
他在担任舞蹈教练时写下了这句话。
It's about a student he became friends with.
这是关于他成为朋友的一名学生的故事。
Somewhere in Chicago, a woman unplugs a toaster from a wall, and suddenly her apartment is empty.
在芝加哥的某个地方，一名妇女从墙上拔掉了烤面包机的电源，突然间她的公寓就空了。
She wraps the cord jump rope style into a bow, lowers the appliance into a box marked "Kitchen Things," and tapes it shut.
她将跳绳式的绳索缠绕成蝴蝶结，将设备放入标有“厨房用品”的盒子中，然后用胶带将其封闭。
All day, boxes move past her, a brown blur against the white walls.
一整天，箱子都从她身边经过，在白色的墙壁上留下棕色的模糊痕迹。
How many men does it take to lift a woman's spirits?
需要多少男人才能让女人精神振奋？
"Make your arms like a barrel," I scolded, your dance instructor, fox-trotting you around the room.
“让你的手臂像桶一样，”我斥责你，你的舞蹈教练带着你在房间里走着狐步舞。
"Women are always walking backwards, aren't they?" you said, looking at your feet.
“女人总是在倒退着走，不是吗？”你说，看着你的脚。
And I spun you.
我旋转了你。
"No, just going in circles." And here we laughed.
“没有，只是在兜圈子。”说到这里我们笑了。
In the mirrors of the dance studio, we laughed.
在舞蹈室的镜子里，我们笑了。
And I saw us, lost in the fun house again.
我看到我们再次迷失在欢乐屋里。
I want it always to be fun.
我希望它总是很有趣。
Now everything is loaded on the truck.
现在所有东西都装上了卡车。
She sits behind the wheel of something larger than her.
她坐在比她更大的车的方向盘后面。
"I'm going to Timbuktu and I'm taking my time," she says her hands on the wheel.
“我要去廷巴克图，我会慢慢来，”她双手放在方向盘上说道。
"Peaches, pears, apples, plums.
“桃子、梨、苹果、李子。
Tell me when your birthday comes." And I wave to her from the curb.
当你生日到来时告诉我。”我在路边向她挥手。
It paints a sad picture, this woman in a van pulling out of a driveway no longer hers.
它描绘了一幅悲伤的画面，这个女人开着一辆货车，从车道上驶出，不再属于她了。
And for her, I do a farewell samba on the lawn, alone, taking the darkness in the crescent of my arms, leading it in a dance I'm just beginning to learn.
为了她，我在草坪上跳了一首告别桑巴舞，独自一人，用我的双臂拥抱着新月形的黑暗，带领它跳着我刚刚开始学习的舞蹈。
"The Farewell Samba" by Dwight Okita.
德怀特·冲田的《告别桑巴》。
And we're going to close our broadcast today with a piece by the late Philip Larkin, which seems perfect as you contemplate upcoming quits.
我们将以已故菲利普·拉金 (Philip Larkin) 的一首作品来结束今天的广播，当你考虑即将退出时，这似乎是完美的。
Over the course of the next week, we're not quitting anything.
在接下来的一周里，我们不会放弃任何事情。
I think that's what you've gotten out of this particular program.
我想这就是你从这个特定计划中得到的东西。
Anyway, this is called "Poetry of Departures."
无论如何，这就是所谓的《离别诗》。
Sometimes you hear, fifth-hand/ As epitaph/ He chucked up everything and just cleared off,/ And always the voice will sound/ Certain you approve/ This audacious, purifying,/ Elemental move.
有时你会听到，第五手/作为墓志铭/他把一切都扔掉然后清理掉，/声音总是会响起/你肯定会批准/这种大胆的，净化的，/基本的举动。
And they are right, I think./ We all hate home/ And having to be there/ I detect my room,/ It's specially-chosen junk,/ The good books, the good bed,/ And my life, in perfect order/ So to hear it said/
我认为他们是对的。/我们都讨厌家/而且必须在那里/我发现我的房间，/它是专门挑选的垃圾，/好书，好床，/还有我的生活，井然有序/所以听到它说/
He walked out on the whole crowd/ Leaves me flushed and stirred,/ Like Then she undid her dress/ Or Take that, you bastard;/ Surely I can, if he did?/ And that helps me stay/ Sober and industrious./ But I'd go today,/
他在人群中走了出去/让我满脸通红，激动不已，/就像然后她解开了她的衣服/或者拿着那个，你这个混蛋；/如果他这样做了，我当然可以？/这有助于我保持/清醒和勤奋。/但我今天会去，/
Yes, swagger the nut-strewn roads,/ Crouch in the fo'c'sle/ Stubbly with goodness, if/ It weren't so artificial,/ Such a deliberate step backwards/ To create an object/ Books; china; a life/ Reprehensibly perfect.
是的，在撒满坚果的道路上大摇大摆，/蹲在前面/善意地胡茬，如果/它不是那么人为，/如此刻意的倒退/创造一个物体/书籍；中国;生活/完美得应受谴责。
There's so many famous quits.
有很多著名的退出者。
There's so many quits that have driven world history.
有太多的放弃推动了世界历史。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
See you next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周再见，我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。