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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass For so many people now, it's not a theoretical thing.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 对于现在的很多人来说，这不是一个理论上的事情。
It's here, this new virus.
这种新病毒就在这里。
And they're having to deal with that fact.
他们必须面对这个事实。
Lots of people are trying to do the right thing.
很多人都在努力做正确的事。
But it's not so clear what the right thing is-- like Luis, who works in construction in Long Island.
但目前还不清楚什么是正确的事情——就像在长岛从事建筑工作的路易斯一样。
When he got tested and learned he had coronavirus, he went back to where he was living.
当他接受检测并得知自己感染了冠状病毒后，他回到了原来的住处。
He shared a house with several other migrants.
他与其他几名移民合住一所房子。
He's an asylum seeker, here from Central America.
他是一名来自中美洲的寻求庇护者。
And he immediately told his landlady because she's pregnant.
他立即告诉了他的女房东，因为她怀孕了。
He didn't want to put her or anybody at risk.
他不想让她或任何人面临危险。
She said he had to leave.
她说他必须离开。
So he decided to isolate in the only place he had-- his car.
因此，他决定在他唯一拥有的地方——他的车里进行隔离。
He parked outside of a 7-Eleven.
他把车停在一家 7-11 便利店外面。
He didn't even want to go inside to get water because he didn't want to infect anybody.
他甚至不想进去取水，因为他不想感染任何人。
This is a voicemail message he left for the woman handling his immigration case.
这是他留给处理他的移民案件的女士的语音邮件。
At this moment, I feel like I don't know what to do.
此刻，我感觉我不知道该怎么办。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Ira Glass I've isolated in my car because I don't want to contaminate more people.
[非英语演讲] Ira Glass 我将其隔离在车内，因为我不想污染更多人。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Ira Glass I don't want people to go through what I'm going through.
[非英语演讲] Ira Glass 我不想让人们经历我正在经历的事情。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Ira Glass It hurts to tell the truth.
[非英语演讲] Ira Glass 说实话很伤人。
It hurts.
好痛。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Ira Glass You have no idea how much.
[非英语演讲] Ira Glass 你不知道有多少。
He says, I haven't left my car.
他说，我还没有离开我的车。
I've been cooped up here.
我一直被关在这里。
If I didn't have a conscience, I'd be out there.
如果我没有良心，我就会出去。
But no, I don't have that kind of heart.
但不，我没有那样的心。
[NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Ira Glass Zora heard this message, and she also tried to do the right thing.
[非英语演讲] Ira Glass Zora 听到了这个消息，她也试图做正确的事情。
She found him housing to ride out the illness.
她为他找到了住所以渡过疾病。
Among other things, an epidemic, a plague, a contagion is a time that we're tested.
除其他外，流行病、瘟疫、传染病是我们经受考验的时刻。
And we rise to the occasion, or we don't, or we can't.
我们会挺身而出，或者不挺身而出，或者不能。
Anthony Almojera very much wants his team to rise to the occasion.
安东尼·阿尔莫杰拉非常希望他的团队能够应对这一形势。
He's the vice president of local 3621 of the EMS Officers Union in New York City.
他是纽约市 EMS 官员联盟当地 3621 的副主席。
EMS, emergency medical services-- it's part of the fire department.
EMS，紧急医疗服务——它是消防部门的一部分。
His job title is lieutenant paramedic.
他的职称是护理中尉。
And besides the stuff he does for the union, he manages a crew of 50 EMS workers.
除了为工会做的事情之外，他还管理着 50 名 EMS 员工。
Even before the coronavirus outbreak, they were short hundreds of EMS workers in the city.
甚至在冠状病毒爆发之前，该市就短缺数百名急救人员。
So they were overworked before.
所以他们之前都劳累过度了。
And it's even more so now.
现在更是如此。
Like this past Tuesday, Anthony worked a 16 hour shift at a station in Brooklyn, watching 911 calls come in.
就像上周二一样，安东尼在布鲁克林的一个车站轮班 16 小时，看着 911 电话打进来。
He talked to my co-worker Miki Meek.
他和我的同事米基·米克交谈过。
A typical day before the coronavirus outbreak was around 4,000 calls.
冠状病毒爆发前一天典型的电话数量约为 4,000 个。
This past week saw the first big spike.
上周出现了第一次大幅上涨。
I worked last night at 1:00 in the morning-- after we had just clocked in, 6,500 plus calls at midnight.
我昨晚凌晨 1:00 开始工作——我们刚打卡上班后，半夜接到了 6,500 多个电话。
At 1:00 in the morning, there were still 274 jobs holding.
截至凌晨1:00，仍有274个职位空缺。
That's 274 jobs in the system that, at the moment, don't have an ambulance to get to them.
系统中有 274 个工作岗位目前没有救护车可以到达。
So these are people that have called 911, but--
这些人拨打了 911，但是——
Right.
对。
Mika Meek --no one's been able to be dispatched.
米卡·米克——还没有人被派遣出去。
Right.
正确的。
Mika Meek And how does that make you feel, when you see that you have that many call still in the queue?
Mika Meek 当您看到还有那么多电话在排队时，您有何感受？
It's a little frightening because, you know, to have been many calls holding-- just to give you some perspective-- yesterday, it was 6,500 calls-- it was the most we've ever done.
这有点可怕，因为，你知道，有很多电话被搁置——只是为了给你一些看法——昨天，有 6,500 个电话——这是我们做过的最多的电话。
Ever?
曾经？
Anthony Almojera Ever, yeah, even including 9/11.
安东尼·阿尔莫杰拉（Anthony Almojera）曾经，是的，甚至包括 9/11。
Later that morning, he was in an ambulance and went on a call near Coney Island.
那天早上晚些时候，他乘坐救护车前往康尼岛附近打电话。
A man had phoned in about his wife.
一个男人打电话来询问他的妻子。
He came home and found her on the floor.
他回到家，发现她躺在地板上。
Call type said fever, cardiac arrest, COVID case.
呼叫类型表示发烧、心脏骤停、新冠病例。
And the husband is outside.
而丈夫也在外面。
And they're both health care workers.
他们都是医护人员。
The patient was somebody who worked in a nursing home, and the husband works in the hospital.
患者是在疗养院工作的人，丈夫在医院工作。
And she was sent home Friday with fever and remained feverish throughout.
周五，她因发烧被送回家，并且一直发烧。
So I'm sitting there, talking to the husband.
所以我坐在那里，和丈夫说话。
And he stated to me, yesterday, he called where he works to say he wanted to stay home and take care of his wife.
他对我说，昨天，他打电话给他工作的地方，说他想留在家里照顾他的妻子。
And they told him he couldn't because he's an essential employee, that the hospital is short staffed, and he needed to come in.
他们告诉他不能，因为他是一名重要员工，医院人手短缺，他需要进来。
And at the moment, he judged that his wife wasn't critical.
而此刻，他判断自己的妻子并不挑剔。
You know, she was feverish and stuff.
你知道，她发烧了之类的。
But OK, she'll make it through the night.
但好吧，她会熬过今晚的。
Then he came home and found her dead.
然后他回到家，发现她死了。
Found her dead, he's saying.
发现她死了，他说。
Mika Meek [SIGH]
米卡·米克 [叹息]
For 17 years, I've been going on these calls of cardiac arrests or other traumatic things.
17 年来，我一直在接听有关心脏骤停或其他创伤事件的电话。
And it's never been an issue for me to go up to the family member when we can't do any more, and say, I'm sorry.
当我们无能为力时，我可以向家人说声对不起，这从来都不是问题。
And then I put my arm around the patient's family member.
然后我用手臂搂住病人的家人。
You know, I let them cry into my shoulder, I've hugged them, anything along those lines to provide a moment of empathy and sympathy.
你知道，我让他们靠在我的肩上哭泣，我拥抱他们，任何类似的事情都可以提供一段同理心和同情心。
Yesterday, when I went outside because he happened to be outside, and I saw this man's grief in his face, and I saw him just break down and how he felt guilty about not being there, and I had to stay six feet away--
昨天，当我出去时，因为他碰巧在外面，我看到这个人脸上的悲伤，我看到他崩溃了，他为不在场而感到内疚，我不得不保持六英尺远——
Hmm.
嗯。
Anthony Almojera I couldn't kneel next to him like I have with other patients in the past.
安东尼·阿尔莫杰拉（Anthony Almojera） 我不能像过去对待其他病人那样跪在他旁边。
I couldn't put my arm around him because I'm concerned about my health because there's a high potentiality that he has it as well.
我无法用手臂搂住他，因为我担心自己的健康，因为他也有很大的潜力。
And I just watched him.
我只是看着他。
And it's the first time, in 17 years, that I actually got back in the truck and I cried.
这是 17 年来我第一次真正回到卡车上，我哭了。
I'm sorry, Anthony.
对不起，安东尼。
Anthony Almojera No-- thank you.
安东尼·阿尔莫杰拉 不——谢谢。
No, what's-- Anthony Almojera That was the crew members.
不，那是什么—— 安东尼·阿尔莫杰拉 那是船员们。
Yeah, I have about 60 messages that are unopened at the moment.
是的，我目前有大约 60 条消息未打开。
Anthony, I tested positive.
安东尼，我的检测呈阳性。
What do I do?
我该怎么办？
Anthony, my wife tested positive.
安东尼，我的妻子检测呈阳性。
What do I do?
我该怎么办？
They're all in that general nature.
它们都具有这种普遍性质。
He's worried.
他很担心。
How many of his crew won't be available soon?
他的团队中有多少人很快就无法上场？
Going by numbers he's seen in other places, he figures half of them will end up quarantined.
根据他在其他地方看到的数字，他估计其中一半人最终将被隔离。
Right now, in Anthony's crew of 50, six people are already out.
目前，安东尼的50名船员中，已有6人退出。
The entire crew, all 50 of them, have been exposed to somebody with COVID-19 at this point.
目前，全体船员 50 人都曾接触过 COVID-19 感染者。
In the past, the policy for New York Fire Department EMS workers was, when you're exposed to a contagious virus like that, you weren't supposed to come to work.
过去，纽约消防局急救人员的政策是，当你接触到这样的传染性病毒时，你就不应该来上班。
But the policy changed about a week and a half ago.
但大约一个半星期前，政策发生了变化。
Now you stay home only if you're actually showing symptoms.
现在，只有当您确实出现症状时才需要呆在家里。
Anthony thinks it's because the city is so desperate for EMS workers right now.
安东尼认为这是因为这座城市现在非常需要急救人员。
So if they can squeeze another five or six days out of you before you become symptomatic, I think that's what their motivation is.
因此，如果他们能在你出现症状之前再挤出五六天的时间，我想这就是他们的动机。
It's not said explicitly.
没有明确说明。
But the crews are short.
但人员短缺。
They need workers.
他们需要工人。
You guys are essential.
你们是必不可少的。
It feels we're expendable.
感觉我们是消耗品。
Now, listen, I don't believe that chief of EMS feels we are expendable.
现在，听着，我不相信急救中心主任认为我们是可以牺牲的。
I don't want to put that on her.
我不想把这个加在她身上。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Anthony Almojera But it feels, overall, by the department and the city that we're just going to keep putting you out there because we don't have any other options, because we didn't properly prepare for this.
安东尼·阿尔莫杰拉（Anthony Almojera）：但总的来说，部门和市政府认为我们只会继续把你放在那里，因为我们没有任何其他选择，因为我们没有为此做好适当的准备。
Spokesperson for the fire department told us that EMS workers are expected to show up if they've been exposed to the virus because at this point in New York, all EMS personnel have likely been exposed to the virus.
消防部门发言人告诉我们，如果急救人员接触过该病毒，预计他们会出现，因为目前在纽约，所有急救人员可能都接触过该病毒。
Right now, EMS workers don't even have a way to get tested to see if they have the virus, just like the rest of us.
目前，急救中心工作人员甚至没有办法像我们其他人一样进行检测以确定他们是否感染了病毒。
And Anthony estimates they're going to run out of N95 masks in less than a week, this coming Friday, April 3.
安东尼估计，他们的 N95 口罩将在不到一周的时间内用完，即 4 月 3 日星期五。
What are you telling your workers right now?
您现在正在告诉您的员工什么？
Well, the tough thing about this is we all signed up for this, you know?
好吧，最困难的事情是我们都报名参加了，你知道吗？
In a pandemic, that is EMS' time to shine, right?
在疫情期间，这正是 EMS 发挥作用的时候，对吗？
Treating viruses is what we do all day long.
治疗病毒是我们整天都在做的事情。
You name it, you know, HIV, hepatitis, meningitis.
你能想到的，你知道，艾滋病毒、肝炎、脑膜炎。
This is what we do.
这就是我们所做的。
But in order to do it effectively, we have to believe that when we're out there with the potential of dying, getting hurt or seriously ill, that if something happens to us, we're going to be taken care of.
但为了有效地做到这一点，我们必须相信，当我们在外面有可能死亡、受伤或重病时，如果我们发生什么事，我们会得到照顾。
And the consensus among the membership is that's not going to happen.
成员们一致认为，这种情况不会发生。
The feeling is we're not going to be taken care of.
感觉我们不会被照顾。
Yes.
是的。
Mika Meek What do you think the next couple weeks are going to be like?
米卡·米克（Mika Meek）：你认为接下来的几周会是什么样？
Oh, we're not even to the halfway point here.
哦，我们还没有到达一半。
You know how they keep talking about flattening the curve?
你知道他们如何一直谈论压平曲线吗？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Anthony Almojera We're on the upward tick of that curve still.
Anthony Almojera 我们仍处于该曲线的上升阶段。
Do you have any workers who are wanting to quit?
你们有想辞职的工人吗？
No, I haven't had any workers that wanted to quit.
不，我没有任何工人想辞职。
I have not heard that.
我没听说过。
Because, like, the virus is here now.
因为，就像，病毒现在就在这里。
It's testing us, all of us, EMS workers, and doctors, and nurses, who are now risking their lives, but also delivery people, postal workers, politicians, those of us who are suddenly out of work, parents who have no talent for homeschooling at all, even those of us who are just on lockdown, worried for older relatives.
它正在考验我们，我们所有人，急救人员、医生和护士，他们现在正冒着生命危险，但也考验着送货员、邮政工人、政治家、我们这些突然失业的人、根本没有在家上学天赋的父母，甚至我们这些刚刚被封锁、担心年长亲戚的人。
We're all being tested.
我们都在接受考验。
So today in our program, we're going to hear from people who are right in the middle of it now, being tested in pretty extreme ways.
因此，今天在我们的节目中，我们将听到那些正处于其中的人们的声音，他们正以相当极端的方式接受考验。
Plus, before the hour's out, a call from the future from somebody in China who's kind of on the other side of this thing.
另外，在一个小时结束之前，来自中国的某个未来的人打来了电话，他是这件事的另一边。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
[MUSIC - "STAY YOUR ASS INDOORS" BY MNEK]
[音乐 - MNEK 的“呆在室内”]
Throughout this episode, we're featuring original songs that we heard on Instagram created by the British musician and producer MNEK while he's been home alone and social distancing.
在这一集中，我们将精选英国音乐家兼制作人 MNEK 在 Instagram 上听到的原创歌曲，这些歌曲是他独自在家并保持社交距离时创作的。
He's jokingly calling these songs his Corona EP, and they are all him, no backing band, looping his own voice.
他开玩笑地称这些歌曲为他的 Corona EP，这些歌曲都是他自己的，没有伴奏乐队，循环播放他自己的声音。
The songs are part PSA, part pure pop, just a man bringing some light in a dark moment.
这些歌曲一半是公益广告，一半是纯粹的流行音乐，只是一个在黑暗时刻带来光明的人。
Now, we turn to Act One.
现在，我们转向第一幕。
Act One, The Inside Game-- OK, so this virus is out there.
第一幕，内部游戏——好的，所以这种病毒就在那里。
And so many of us are scared to get it and wonder what would happen if we did get it.
我们很多人都害怕得到它，并想知道如果我们得到它会发生什么。
And honestly, for all the coverage of the illness, we have not heard the people that it's happened to talk at length about that experience very much.
老实说，对于这种疾病的所有报道，我们还没有听到人们详细谈论那次经历。
One thing that came up here is-- we've all talked about this-- is what is going on in the homes where both parents get the virus, like how do they manage?
这里出现的一件事是——我们都讨论过这一点——父母双方都感染了病毒的家里正在发生什么，比如他们是如何应对的？
And just coincidentally, one of our co-workers, Ben Calhoun, has been worried about his brother-in-law, Elia Einhorn, and Elia's wife, Amy, who are in that exact situation.
巧合的是，我们的一位同事本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun) 一直担心他的姐夫埃利亚·艾因霍恩 (Elia Einhorn) 和埃利亚的妻子艾米 (Amy)，他们正处于这种情况。
They were among the first wave of COVID-19 patients in New York City.
他们是纽约市第一波 COVID-19 患者。
Their daughter, whose name is Conwy, is just a toddler.
他们的女儿名叫康威，还是个蹒跚学步的孩子。
So she is in that period of parenting when a kid needs constant vigilance.
所以她正处于孩子需要时刻警惕的育儿时期。
Ben recorded a call with them.
本对他们的通话进行了录音。
Amy, who got sick first, was too sick to actually get out of bed.
艾米先生病了，她病得很重，根本无法下床。
Elia could drag himself around.
埃利亚可以拖着自己走来走去。
But it was pretty rough going.
但这是相当艰难的。
He was sicker than he had ever been in his life, he said.
他说，他的病情比他一生中任何时候都严重。
One other detail-- Elia has a history of asthma, so he's at elevated risk.
另一个细节——埃利亚有哮喘病史，因此他的患病风险较高。
He'd also developed GI symptoms, throwing up, a possible warning sign that a COVID patient is in more danger.
他还出现了胃肠道症状，即呕吐，这可能是新冠患者面临更大危险的警告信号。
All this is playing out in a 500 square foot New York City apartment.
这一切都在纽约市一间 500 平方英尺的公寓里上演。
So picture like three rooms and a bathroom.
所以想象一下三个房间和一个浴室。
Ben called them in the afternoon.
本下午给他们打电话。
Elia had just gotten Conwy to nap, so you'll hear Elia trying to keep his voice down, trying not to wake her.
埃利亚刚刚让康威睡着了，所以你会听到埃利亚试图压低声音，尽量不吵醒她。
What is just like the logistics of your situation in the apartment right now?
您现在公寓的后勤状况如何？
Like where are you?
比如你在哪里？
And where is Amy?
艾米在哪里？
And how much are you able to either be around each other or not be around each other, or?
你们能在多大程度上彼此相处或不相处？
I haven't seen Amy in like a week.
我已经有一个星期没见到艾米了。
Amy has just been in our room the whole time.
艾米一直在我们的房间里。
So since there's one bathroom, she comes out to use the bathroom.
既然有一间浴室，她就出来上厕所。
And otherwise, like, I just don't see her.
否则，就像，我只是看不到她。
And we usually talk for like one or two minutes.
我们通常会聊一两分钟。
But yeah, Amy is just in our room.
但是，是的，艾米就在我们的房间里。
And she's really, really sick.
她真的病得很厉害。
Her fever goes up and down and up and down.
她的发烧忽高忽低。
And just when we think it's gone, it comes back worse, and it's--
就在我们认为它已经消失的时候，它又回来了，而且更糟，而且是——
But she's just 100% like locked in the room?
但她就像100%被锁在房间里一样？
Yeah, locked in the room.
是的，锁在房间里。
Literally, I told her lock the door so Conwy can't come in.
从字面上看，我告诉她锁上门，这样康威就无法进来。
But you got to-- you got Conwy down, though.
但你必须——不过，你让康威失望了。
She's asleep.
她睡着了。
She's asleep.
她睡着了。
I am going to-- I just saw Amy.
我要去——我刚刚看到艾米。
I get to see her like three times a day for two minutes.
我每天会见她三次，每次两分钟。
And I said to her, we are going to have to do such a strict regimen to get this kid back to normal life after this because I am like-- you know, I'm trying to keep her life as normal as possible.
我对她说，我们必须采取严格的治疗措施才能让这个孩子恢复正常生活，因为我想——你知道，我正在努力让她的生活尽可能正常。
So because she already can't see Amy, she can't go outside-- so I am just like-- I've become the biggest fucking pushover.
所以因为她已经看不到艾米了，所以她不能出去——所以我就像——我已经成为了最大的他妈的容易被欺负的人。
I said to Amy, she had like a tasting menu before bed.
我对艾米说，她睡前喜欢品尝菜单。
We usually let her have a little snack if she wants it.
如果她想要的话，我们通常会让她吃点零食。
She's adding things, having me get up and go to the kitchen and get more stuff.
她正在添加东西，让我起床去厨房拿更多东西。
And I, like, can hardly handle getting up to go get her something.
而我，就像，几乎无法忍受站起来去给她拿东西。
It's just like, oh, dude.
就像，哦，伙计。
So she must have had bites of like seven snacks.
所以她肯定吃了七口零食。
And it's ridiculous.
这很荒谬。
But I just wanted her to--
但我只是想让她——
And I can imagine that, as a parent, you're just like-- you're having all these needs that are unmet right now.
我可以想象，作为父母，您就像 - 您现在拥有所有这些未得到满足的需求。
And right now, you're having a need that I can meet.
现在，你有一个需要我可以满足。
So let me just throw whatever I can in there.
所以让我把我能扔的东西都扔进去。
Exactly, exactly.
完全正确。
I looked-- I looked at us.
我看着——我看着我们。
We were reading one of those Mo Willems books, you know that like--
我们正在读莫·威廉姆斯的一本书，你知道，就像——
Yeah, we were reading-- I don't know why.
是的，我们正在读书——我不知道为什么。
But she wanted to read the baby one.
但她想读那本婴儿书。
And there's two pages that are mirrors.
还有两页是镜子。
And I looked at us, and I was like, we look so blazed.
我看着我们，我想，我们看起来如此耀眼。
We look like college freshmen who just discovered weed and smoked half an ounce, you know.
你知道，我们看起来就像刚刚发现大麻并吸了半盎司的大学新生。
[LAUGHS] Elia Einhorn Me and the two and a half year old look terrible.
[笑] Elia Einhorn 我和那个两岁半的孩子看起来很糟糕。
And I'm wearing my mask, you know, because there's this theory about the viral load getting bigger, you know I mean?
我戴着口罩，你知道，因为有一种关于病毒载量变大的理论，你知道我的意思吗？
With more exposure.
随着更多的曝光。
So just to give you sort of a scene report here, it looks like-- think about a normal Brooklyn-sized apartment.
因此，为了给您提供一种场景报告，它看起来就像——想象一下布鲁克林大小的普通公寓。
It looks like there was 50 toddlers who had an unsupervised birthday party here.
看起来有 50 个幼儿在这里举办了无人监管的生日聚会。
So like, from my vantage point on the couch, I'm looking out.
就像，从我在沙发上的有利位置，我正在向外看。
The first layer is like a peg's game, where you push buttons into colors.
第一层就像一个钉子游戏，你可以按下按钮来改变颜色。
The second layer is all these 3x2 foot huge Paw Patrol pages to color.
第二层是所有这些 3x2 英尺的巨大狗狗巡逻队页面，需要着色。
The next level is a farm that seems to have exploded.
下一层是一个似乎已经爆炸的农场。
The next level are all the Play-Dohs strewn around the ground because I just can't pick it up.
下一关是所有培乐多都散落在地上，因为我无法捡起它们。
Do you have all your logistics covered like groceries?
您的所有物流是否都像杂货一样涵盖在内？
How you doing groceries?
你怎么做杂货？
How are you like-- I don't know, like laundry.
你怎么样——我不知道，比如洗衣服。
Laundry has been a problem.
洗衣一直是个问题。
I'm waiting for Amy to get better because we have to wash it in the bathtub.
我在等艾米好起来，因为我们必须在浴缸里洗澡。
And I just can't physically do it right now.
而我现在无法身体上做到这一点。
I can't stress to you how tired I am.
我无法向你强调我有多累。
I'm like--
我就像——
You're just too tired.
你只是太累了。
Elia Einhorn I'm just too tired, man.
埃利亚·艾因霍恩 我只是太累了，伙计。
I can't sit up that long.
我不能坐那么久。
And so I'm waiting for Amy to either get better so that she can watch Conwy and I can take longer and do it slowly-- or because, by the end of the day, when Conwy goes to sleep, I'm like fried, totally fried.
所以我等着艾米好起来，这样她就可以看康威了，我可以花更长的时间慢慢地做——或者因为，到一天结束时，当康威睡觉时，我就像炸了，彻底炸了。
I can't even stand up.
我什至无法站起来。
Because you're the only person doing Conwy, right?
因为你是唯一一个做康威的人，对吧？
You're like--
你就像——
Oh, yeah, 100%.
哦，是的，100%。
Yeah, Amy hasn't seen her in a week.
是的，艾米已经一周没见到她了。
It's like I'm just with her like now 24/7.
就像我现在 24/7 一样和她在一起。
Do you feel like you've-- I feel like, if I were you, I would keep waiting to feel, like, bottomed out-- be like, is this-- is this the bottom?
你是否觉得你已经——我觉得，如果我是你，我会一直等待感觉，就像，触底——就像，这是——这是底部吗？
Is this the bottom?
这是底部吗？
Yeah, man.
是的，伙计。
Ben Calhoun Just like waiting for that upswing, you know.
本·卡尔霍恩 就像在等待经济复苏一样，你知道。
I keep waiting for it.
我一直在等待它。
And I think it comes.
我认为它来了。
I thought it came like four times.
我以为它来了四次。
And then like, today, I'm the most tired I've been the whole time.
然后就像，今天，我是这段时间以来最累的一次。
So I just don't know.
所以我只是不知道。
And it's like, on the one hand, I mean, we have food.
一方面，我的意思是，我们有食物。
We have water.
我们有水。
We have electricity.
我们有电。
I mean, we have everything we need.
我的意思是，我们拥有我们需要的一切。
If this is all that ever happens, it'll be a triumph.
如果这就是所有发生的事情，那将是一次胜利。
It seriously will if this is all that happens.
如果这就是全部发生的事情，那真的会发生。
It's just the scariest part is, is it going to go into our lungs, you know?
最可怕的是，它会进入我们的肺部，你知道吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Elia Einhorn Right when I start to feel better, I think, you know there's these-- it sort of shows it's these ground glass sort of deposits in people's lungs.
埃利亚·艾因霍恩（Elia Einhorn）：当我开始感觉好一点时，我想，你知道有这些——这表明人们肺部有毛玻璃状的沉积物。
And I've started thinking of it as like your lungs turning to glass.
我开始认为这就像你的肺变成玻璃一样。
And I keep reading these stories out of Wuhan about these young physicians that are like my age, I mean, relatively young physicians that are dying from this.
我一直在读这些来自武汉的故事，关于这些与我年龄相仿的年轻医生，我的意思是，相对年轻的医生正在死于这种疾病。
And I had to stop reading them because it's like, I just can't keep reading about people's lungs metaphorically turning to glass.
我不得不停止阅读它们，因为就像，我无法继续阅读有关人们的肺部隐喻性地变成玻璃的内容。
And it's just making me worry too much that it's going to happen to our family.
这让我太担心这种事会发生在我们的家人身上。
It's so scary to not be able to protect your family against this insidious element of it.
无法保护您的家人免受这种阴险因素的侵害真是太可怕了。
And that's why I-- that's why I emailed you guys that stuff.
这就是为什么我给你们发了这些东西的电子邮件。
I don't know if anything's going to happen.
我不知道会不会发生什么事情。
And if it does happen, it's going to happen so quick.
如果它真的发生了，它也会发生得如此之快。
I don't have time to deal with anything.
我没有时间处理任何事情。
I don't have time to deal with getting my affairs in order, you know.
你知道，我没有时间去处理我的事务。
So I emailed you and Katherine very perfunctory, like here's-- how to-- what me and Amy want, here's our financial stuff.
所以我很敷衍地给你和凯瑟琳发了电子邮件，就像这是——如何——我和艾米想要什么，这是我们的财务资料。
Here's like-- because I just have no fucking clue.
这就像——因为我他妈的根本不知道。
And that's the worst part.
这是最糟糕的部分。
If we could be guaranteed that that wasn't going to happen-- this would just be uncomfortable and fine.
如果我们能保证这种情况不会发生——这会让人感到不舒服，但也没什么问题。
We can laugh about it in a different way.
我们可以用不同的方式来嘲笑它。
But it's the fear that, at any second, one of us could just take really ill and maybe worse.
但我们担心，我们中的任何一个人都可能在任何时候患上重病，甚至更糟。
We're so worried about you.
我们非常担心你。
Elia Einhorn Yeah.
埃利亚·艾因霍恩 是的。
Physically, she's doing fine.
从身体上来说，她状况良好。
But she's showing all of these behaviors about being upset.
但她表现出的所有这些行为都是因为心烦意乱。
And she's actively talking about it.
她正在积极谈论这件事。
Now, like every bed time, she wants me to tell her stories about everybody getting sick, me getting sick, her getting sick, Amy getting sick, you getting sick, and Katherine, and your kids.
现在，就像每次就寝时间一样，她希望我给她讲每个人生病的故事，我生病了，她生病了，艾米生病了，你生病了，还有凯瑟琳和你的孩子。
Everyone in our family getting sick is now part of our story.
我们家里的每个人生病现在都是我们故事的一部分。
--is what we're playing.
——这就是我们正在玩的。
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
We tell her it's the inside game.
我们告诉她这是内部游戏。
Everybody's playing the inside game right now.
现在每个人都在玩内部游戏。
And soon, it's going to end.
很快，这一切就要结束了。
But for now, this is what's happening.
但就目前而言，这就是正在发生的事情。
And these are the rules of the inside game.
这些是内部游戏的规则。
But she keeps saying like, daddy, I'm so tired.
但她一直说，爸爸，我太累了。
I'm so tired.
我好累。
And we're snuggling a lot.
我们经常依偎在一起。
The pediatrician even said, look, if you both get tested positive, you can both just come out.
儿科医生甚至说，看，如果你们都检测呈阳性，你们就可以出来了。
And you can just take off your mask and be around Conwy.
你可以摘下面具，和康威在一起。
But with all this research about the viral load buildup, we've had an infectious disease doctor that we've been talking to that said, you know, don't do that.
但是，通过所有有关病毒载量积累的研究，我们一直在与一位传染病医生交谈，他说，你知道，不要这样做。
You can snuggle her if you need to because she's a toddler.
如果需要的话，你可以依偎她，因为她还是个小孩。
You can't control that.
你无法控制这一点。
But like, as little as possible, so I try to put her between my legs or have my foot on her just to touch her a little bit, you know.
但是，尽可能少，所以我试着把她放在我的两腿之间，或者把我的脚踩在她身上，只是为了触摸她一点，你知道。
But it's been sad.
但已经很难过了。
I mean, she said to me like, I so sad.
我的意思是，她对我说，我很难过。
I so sad.
我好伤心啊
None of my friends want to come to my house.
我的朋友都不想来我家。
Like, everything that she draws, she's like, this is for my friends.
就像，她画的所有东西，都是为了我的朋友们。
Or I made this for my mommy.
或者我为我妈妈做了这个。
This is for mommy.
这是给妈妈的。
On the one hand, she's doing fine.
一方面，她过得很好。
And on the other hand, she's really feeling her age equivalent of like really lonely and cut off.
另一方面，她真的感觉自己的年龄相当于真正的孤独和孤立。
She keeps talking to me about how sick Amy is.
她一直跟我说艾米病得有多严重。
And I tell her like, you know, mom is sick.
我告诉她，你知道，妈妈病了。
But mom's getting better.
但妈妈的情况正在好转。
And I didn't even tell her I was sick, but she somehow figured it out.
我什至没有告诉她我病了，但她不知何故明白了。
And I don't know if it's the mask, or what.
我不知道是面具的原因还是什么。
So she says, daddy's sick.
所以她说，爸爸病了。
And I said, daddy's a little bit sick, but he's OK.
我说，爸爸有点病了，但他没事。
I mean, I feel traumatic, feeling so upset about it.
我的意思是，我感到很痛苦，对此感到非常沮丧。
But again, it's like-- like, are these the last conversations that I'm ever going to have with her?
但同样，这就像——就像，这是我和她最后一次谈话吗？
Oh, Els-- Elia Einhorn Oh, man.
哦，埃尔斯——埃利亚·艾因霍恩 哦，伙计。
You're getting the ugly cry.
你的哭声很难听。
You're getting the ugly cry.
你的哭声很难看。
I've only let myself cry about it a little bit.
我只是让自己为此哭泣一点。
I wish I could do something for you guys.
我希望能为你们做点什么。
Oh.
哦。
You're a regular Barbara Walters, Ben.
你是一个普通的芭芭拉·沃尔特斯，本。
You're getting it out of me.
你要从我这里得到它。
Should we have the kids FaceTime tonight?
今晚我们应该和孩子们进行 FaceTime 通话吗？
Would that-- would that be helpful?
那会有帮助吗？
Yeah, that would be, just for her and for me to just sit down for a minute, honestly.
是的，老实说，那只是为了她和我坐下来。
It's like one of the only times I can rest when she's awake.
这是她醒着时我唯一可以休息的时间之一。
We can do more of that, too, like if the kids can keep her occupied on FaceTime.
我们还可以做更多这样的事情，比如孩子们可以让她在 FaceTime 上保持忙碌。
[CRYING] Now she's waking up.
[哭泣] 现在她醒了。
That's the peril of making any noise in this environment.
这就是在这种环境下发出任何噪音的危险。
But hopefully, she'll go back to sleep.
但希望她能回去睡觉。
You guys have been amazing.
你们太棒了。
Just FaceTiming with your kids has been amazing.
与您的孩子进行 FaceTime 通话就已经很棒了。
Yeah, we're just going to have to ride it the fuck out.
是的，我们只能忍受这一切。
Elia Einhorn with Ben Calhoun, who's a producer on our show.
埃利亚·艾因霍恩 (Elia Einhorn) 和本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun)，他是我们节目的制片人。
That was recorded a little over a week ago.
这是一周多前录制的。
At this point today, Amy is much better.
今天这个时候，艾米已经好多了。
She's actually up and around.
她实际上已经站起来了。
Elia got a lot worse after that call.
在那通电话之后，埃利亚的情况变得更糟了。
But now he's also feeling better.
但现在他也感觉好多了。
Conwy is presumed to have had a mild case of the virus.
据推测，康威感染了轻症病毒。
She's doing fine.
她过得很好。
Act Two, The View From the Park-- so one of the producers here at our show, Emanuele Berry, got to know reporter Jiayang Fan back when were doing our Hong Kong show this past fall.
第二幕，公园里的景色——去年秋天我们节目的制作人之一埃马努埃莱·贝里(Emanuele Berry)在香港节目中结识了记者范嘉阳。
Jiayang's a staff writer at The New Yorker.
嘉阳是《纽约客》的特约撰稿人。
Emanuele and she have stayed in touch since then.
从那时起，埃马努埃莱和她就一直保持联系。
Emanuele was the editor for a story that Jiayang did here a few weeks ago.
埃马努埃莱是嘉阳几周前在这里写的一篇报道的编辑。
Jiayang has a mom who is in a medical facility in New York City.
嘉阳的母亲在纽约市的一家医疗机构工作。
Jiayang tweets about her all the time.
嘉阳一直在推特上谈论她。
And right now, Jiayang's in the situation that a lot of us are in, worried for our parents, but a much more extreme version of that than most of us are dealing with.
现在，嘉阳正处于我们很多人所面临的境地，为我们的父母担心，但这种情况比我们大多数人所面临的要极端得多。
Like already, so much has happened with her mom.
就像已经一样，她妈妈发生了很多事情。
Emanuele checked in with her.
伊曼纽尔去探望她。
How are you?
你好吗？
Jiayang Fan I am trying to hang in there, I guess, is the most optimistic way of putting it.
范嘉阳 我想，我正在努力坚持下去，这是最乐观的表达方式。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
I mean, I follow you on Twitter.
我的意思是，我在 Twitter 上关注你。
I see that you tweet a lot about your mom.
我看到你发了很多关于你妈妈的推文。
But I don't actually exactly know what your mother's ailment is.
但我其实不太清楚你妈妈得的是什么病。
I just know she's hospitalized.
我只知道她住院了
Can you-- what's going on there?
你能——那里发生了什么事吗？
My mother doesn't have control of any part of her body at this point, except for her eyeballs, the movement of her eyeballs.
我母亲此时无法控制身体的任何部分，除了她的眼球，她眼球的运动。
So she is completely cognitively intact and as sharp as she ever has been.
所以她的认知能力完全完好，并且一如既往地敏锐。
But she's imprisoned in a body that refuses to cooperate in any way.
但她被囚禁在一个拒绝以任何方式合作的身体里。
She hasn't left her bed, her hospital bed, except to go to the ICU for the last six years.
在过去的六年里，除了去重症监护室，她没有离开过她的病床，她的病床。
The only time she's ever seen any sliver of the sky is in those few minutes when paramedics push her from the hospital entrance into an ambulance.
她唯一一次看到天空的碎片是在医护人员将她从医院入口推到救护车上的那几分钟。
So when I visit her, I feel like I'm bringing the world to her.
所以当我拜访她时，我感觉我把世界带到了她的面前。
Her mother, Yao Li, has ALS.
她的母亲姚莉患有肌萎缩侧索硬化症（ALS）。
She's lived in a facility for the past six years.
过去六年她一直住在一个设施里。
She always has an aid by her side.
她身边总是有一个帮助者。
Jiayang's apartment is just a three minute walk away.
距离嘉阳的公寓只有三分钟的步行路程。
She visits every day, sometimes twice a day, unless she's traveling for work.
她每天都会来，有时一天两次，除非她是出差。
When Jiayang visits, they talk.
嘉阳来访时，他们交谈。
Well, mostly Jiayang talks.
嗯，主要是嘉阳说话。
Yao Li spells things out using her eyes and an alphabet chart.
姚莉用她的眼睛和字母表把事情说清楚。
It's slow.
很慢。
But that doesn't stop Yao Li from expressing herself.
但这并不妨碍姚莉表达自己的想法。
Sometimes she tries to tell me bawdy jokes over the alphabet chart that she spells with her eyes.
有时，她会试着对着她用眼睛拼写的字母表给我讲一些下流的笑话。
And it'll take me an hour.
我需要一个小时。
And I'll think that she's requesting--
我想她会要求——
[LAUGHS] Jiayang Fan --a medication or that some part of her-- like she'll mention butt, and I'll be like, oh, is her butt hurting?
[笑]嘉阳范——一种药物或她的某些部分——就像她会提到屁股，我会说，哦，她的屁股疼吗？
You know, what-- do you have an infection?
你知道吗——你感染了吗？
And it's she's trying to tell me a butt joke.
她是想给我讲一个笑话。
So that's--
所以那就是——
[LAUGHS] Jiayang Fan So-- so that gives you a little bit of a sense of my mom.
[笑]嘉阳范所以——这让你有点像我妈妈。
She is someone who [LAUGHS] who is relentlessly truthful.
她是一个[笑]始终保持诚实的人。
Whenever a piece comes out of mine, her first question is, read me all the negative tweets about it.
每当我发表一篇文章时，她的第一个问题就是，读给我所有关于它的负面推文。
What is the criticism like?
批评是什么样的？
What are your trolls sayings?
你的巨魔有什么说法？
And I know that sounds absurd and funny.
我知道这听起来很荒谬又有趣。
But I think that comes from an immigrant's survival mentality.
但我认为这来自于移民的生存心态。
She wants to know what I need to prepare myself for in order to survive.
她想知道我需要做什么准备才能生存。
So what happened last week?
那么上周发生了什么？
Take me through what happened last week.
带我回顾一下上周发生的事情。
Remember, my mother is always-- in the best of times, my mother is a mild infection away from death, in the best of times.
请记住，我的母亲总是——在最好的情况下，我的母亲是远离死亡的轻微感染者，在最好的情况下。
The doctors have told me, again and again, she will die of pneumonia.
医生一次又一次地告诉我，她会死于肺炎。
It's just a matter of time.
这只是时间问题。
She's already on a respirator, a machine that breathes for her.
她已经戴着呼吸器，这是一台为她呼吸的机器。
There's not that much that can be done.
能做的事情并不多。
So when I hear news about viruses entering nursing homes, every nerve in my body is on full alarm.
因此，当我听到病毒进入疗养院的消息时，我身体的每一根神经都处于高度警惕状态。
Jiayang once told me that her mother lives for her.
嘉阳曾经告诉我，她妈妈是为了她而活。
But the reverse is also true.
但反之亦然。
Jiayang lives for her mom.
嘉阳是为了妈妈而活。
They're each other's only family, which means Jiayang is a very active family member at her mom's facility.
他们是彼此唯一的家人，这意味着嘉阳是她妈妈的机构中非常活跃的家庭成员。
The staff knows her.
工作人员认识她。
They know how protective she is.
他们知道她的保护欲有多强。
So in early March, when she heard about the virus spreading in nursing homes, she called, said, hey, I know it's a stressful time.
因此，在三月初，当她听说病毒在疗养院传播时，她打电话说，嘿，我知道这是一个压力很大的时期。
But could you ask doctors and nurses to wear gloves and masks before getting too close to my mom?
但是你能要求医生和护士在离我妈妈太近之前戴上手套和口罩吗？
She says she could hear the tone in her own voice, anxious and demanding.
她说她能从自己的声音中听出焦虑和要求的语气。
This is not a tone I've ever taken with any member of my mom's facility for as long as she'd been there.
自从我妈妈所在的机构工作以来，我从来没有用过这样的语气。
But I was-- I was unnerved enough--
但我——我已经够不安了——
Yeah.
是的。
Jiayang Fan I was unnerved enough about what I was reading that I called first thing in the morning to say that.
Jiayang Fan 我对自己读到的内容感到非常不安，所以我早上第一件事就是打电话说了这件事。
And I think the staff who picked up, was very annoyed with me and just said-- and basically said, I can't do that.
我认为接电话的工作人员对我非常恼火，他们只是说——基本上是说，我不能这样做。
Like, I can't-- I don't-- I can't tell other people here what to do.
就像，我不能——我不——我不能告诉这里的其他人该怎么做。
And then I think she thought she hung up.
然后我想她以为她挂了电话。
She didn't actually hang up.
她实际上并没有挂断电话。
And she said, yeah, Yao Li's daughter just called.
她说，是的，姚莉的女儿刚刚打来电话。
And she thinks that, like, we have to wear gloves and, you know, masks like around every patient at the hospital.
她认为，我们必须像医院里的每个病人一样戴上手套和口罩。
And there was-- I heard laughter all around.
我听到周围传来笑声。
And then, really, unfortunately, I heard her say-- I still, to this day, do not know who that staff member was.
然后，真的，不幸的是，我听到她说——直到今天，我仍然不知道那个工作人员是谁。
But she said, you know, and they're the ones who are Chinese.
但她说，你知道，他们才是中国人。
To be frank, I wasn't offended.
坦白说，我并没有被冒犯。
I wasn't like, oh, my God.
我不是这样的，哦，天哪。
This is so racist.
这太种族主义了。
I was just worried.
我只是担心。
I was worried about having offended her.
我担心得罪了她。
I was worried about offending people who are the first line of defense.
我担心会得罪第一道防线的人。
So she put her coat on over her pajamas and ran over to the facility.
于是她把外套套在睡衣外面，跑到了设施里。
But when she got there, there were security guards up front and big signs.
但当她到达那里时，前面有保安人员和巨大的标志。
Jiayang was so flustered she doesn't actually remember exactly what the sign said.
嘉阳心慌意乱，她根本不记得牌子上写的是什么。
But the message was clear.
但信息很明确。
She wasn't getting in to see her mom.
她不是来见她妈妈的。
How could she be sure her mom was OK if she couldn't see her?
如果她看不到她，她怎么能确定她妈妈没事呢？
I became crazed.
我变得疯狂。
I was calling my best friend, who were telling me that I wasn't being a rational, functional person.
我打电话给我最好的朋友，他告诉我，我不是一个理性、实用的人。
I had a dream about moving my mother to a different planet.
我有一个梦想，要把我的母亲搬到另一个星球。
I know that sounds absurd.
我知道这听起来很荒谬。
And it's my subconscious-- I mean, it's my unconscious.
这是我的潜意识——我的意思是，这是我的无意识。
So I'm not totally responsible for it.
所以我对此不负全部责任。
But I think some part of me knew that there was no corner on earth that was safe.
但我想我内心的某个部分知道地球上没有哪个角落是安全的。
How would that even-- how would that even work with a move?
那怎么会——那怎么会与移动一起工作呢？
She is on a feeding tube.
她正在使用饲管。
She's on a ventilator.
她正在使用呼吸机。
She's hooked up on so many different whirling machines.
她迷上了许多不同的旋转机器。
In the best of times, a move would be-- would require six people, not including the transport.
在最好的情况下，搬迁将需要六个人，不包括交通工具。
Talking to Jiayang, I noticed she couldn't help herself going down these thought spirals, far fetched ways to save her mom, all the things that could go wrong.
与嘉阳交谈时，我注意到她情不自禁地陷入这些思想漩涡，想用一些牵强的方法来拯救她的妈妈，以及所有可能出错的事情。
And I think that's because she can't do anything, and she wants to badly.
我认为那是因为她无能为力，而且她非常想做。
But there isn't a way out.
但没有出路。
Where could she possibly go?
她又能去哪里呢？
Not in my apartment, my tiny, almost studio-sized apartment would not be able to fit all the equipment that she needs.
不在我的公寓里，我那几乎是工作室大小的小公寓无法容纳她需要的所有设备。
And I wouldn't be-- I would not be fit to care for her by myself.
我不会——我不适合独自照顾她。
Then what other facility is safe?
那么还有什么设施是安全的呢？
Like, what other facility in New York City is safe?
例如，纽约市还有哪些设施是安全的？
What other facility in America is safe?
美国还有哪些设施是安全的？
And so you're basically at a point where you're like there-- I can't-- there's nothing I can-- there's nothing I can do.
所以你基本上处于这样的境地——我不能——我无能为力——我无能为力。
I'm basically at the point where my unconscious is dreaming up plants to take my mother to Mars.
我基本上正处于我的无意识梦想着植物来带我母亲去火星的阶段。
My mind goes to very strange places, where I think about being told that my mother's ventilator has to be-- that my mother's ventilator is better--
我的思绪转到了非常奇怪的地方，我想到有人告诉我我母亲的呼吸机必须是——我母亲的呼吸机更好——
I'm sorry.
对不起。
It's hard for me to even come up the grammar for this because it's so hard.
对我来说，连语法都很难，因为它太难了。
That my mother's ventilator could better serve someone who's younger and healthier.
我母亲的呼吸机可以更好地为更年轻、更健康的人服务。
This hasn't happened.
这还没有发生。
Nobody's suggested her mom give up her ventilator.
没有人建议她妈妈放弃呼吸机。
But she can't stop thinking of the possibility of it.
但她无法停止思考这种可能性。
And then my mind goes down a rabbit hole.
然后我的思绪就掉进了兔子洞。
I start looking up surgeries where I could give up half my lung, maybe, so that this healthy person can still be saved because-- because it's about lungs filling with fluids, right?
我开始寻找手术，也许我可以放弃一半的肺，这样这个健康的人仍然可以被拯救，因为——因为这是关于肺部充满液体，对吗？
And I think, well, if I could save that other person, then my mother gets to keep her ventilator.
我想，好吧，如果我能救那个人，那么我母亲就可以保留她的呼吸机。
And your mind just spends hours in those rabbit holes, which are completely-- it's completely useless, right?
而你的大脑只是在那些兔子洞里呆了几个小时，这完全是毫无用处的，对吧？
Because it's not-- I mean, these are not my decisions.
因为这不是——我的意思是，这些不是我的决定。
What I'm suggesting is probably totally insane and scientifically, medically impractical.
我的建议可能完全是疯狂的，而且从科学、医学角度来说是不切实际的。
Jiayang did get a small bit of relief.
嘉阳确实稍稍松了口气。
She managed to get in for one last visit.
她设法进入最后一次访问。
That was two weeks ago.
那是两周前的事了。
Because I am her daughter, I'm her caregiver.
因为我是她的女儿，所以我是她的照顾者。
I am her conduit to the world.
我是她通往世界的管道。
I have a responsibility to soothe her panic, not to stoke it.
我有责任安抚她的恐慌，而不是加剧她的恐慌。
I said things to her that I think I would've wanted someone else to say to me, which is this is going to be OK.
我对她说了一些我想其他人也会对我说的话，那就是，这会没问题的。
We will get through this.
我们会渡过难关的。
(VOICE CRACKING) I will see you again very soon.
（声音破裂）我很快就会再次见到你。
I don't know when, but it's going to be very soon.
我不知道什么时候，但很快就会了。
And we will get through this together.
我们将共同渡过难关。
But they weren't words that I necessarily believed if I were to be totally honest.
但如果我完全诚实的话，我不一定相信这些话。
She talked with senior hospital staff.
她与医院的高级工作人员进行了交谈。
And they told her there's a significant chance that coronavirus will enter the facility, that she should be mentally prepared for what that means.
他们告诉她，冠状病毒很有可能进入该设施，她应该为此做好心理准备。
Jiayang thought about staying with her mom, just never leaving that visit, becoming her mom's caretaker.
嘉阳想过留在妈妈身边，永远不离开那次拜访，成为妈妈的看护人。
But her mother's longtime aide convinced Jiayang she'd be more help to her mom outside and promised that she would stay with Yao Li, as long as she could manage.
但她母亲的长期助手说服嘉阳，她会在外面为母亲提供更多帮助，并承诺只要她能做到，她就会留在姚丽身边。
At the time, they were hopeful it would only be a few weeks.
当时，他们希望这只需要几周的时间。
(VOICE CRACKING) I mean, I doubt myself.
（声音嘶哑）我的意思是，我怀疑自己。
I don't know if I made the right decision.
我不知道我的决定是否正确。
I think that, if my mom is going to-- if she's not going to survive the illness, then I should be the one in there.
我认为，如果我妈妈不能——如果她不能从疾病中幸存下来，那么我应该是那里的人。
And then, I mean-- and then my mind goes to dark places.
然后，我的意思是——然后我的思绪就进入了黑暗的地方。
I think, well, who cares if I don't pay the rent?
我想，好吧，谁在乎我不付房租呢？
Who cares if just everything else goes into absolute madness?
谁在乎其他一切是否都变得绝对疯狂？
All I want to be is with my mom.
我只想和妈妈在一起。
Yeah, I mean, what do you think your mom would want you to do in this situation?
是的，我的意思是，你认为你妈妈在这种情况下会希望你做什么？
It was-- it was really hard to leave her.
离开她真的很难。
She began crying, just hysterically crying, because I think she knew that, despite my assurances, that it would be a long time before I saw her again.
她开始哭，歇斯底里地哭，因为我想她知道，尽管我保证，我还需要很长时间才能再次见到她。
And I think-- I think she would-- I think she would want me to stay safe.
我想——我想她会——我想她会希望我保持安全。
I think she would want me to find a way of coping through this crisis without succumbing to it, without being crushed by it.
我想她会希望我找到一种方法来应对这场危机，而不是屈服于它，不被它压垮。
At the end of February, Jiayang did a story for this show about a Chinese man reporting on the virus in Wuhan.
二月底，嘉阳为这个节目做了一个关于一名中国男子报道武汉病毒的故事。
In one of the videos this journalist makes, he introduces us to this guy he calls Ah Ming.
在这位记者制作的一个视频中，他向我们介绍了这个他叫阿明的人。
His father recently died because of coronavirus.
他的父亲最近因冠状病毒去世。
Ah Ming talks about being with his father in the last hours of his life, about holding his hand as his heartbeat drops to zero.
阿明谈到了在他生命的最后几个小时里与父亲在一起，当他的心跳降至零时握住他的手。
For Jiayang, it was one of the most emotional moments in this story for obvious reasons.
对于嘉阳来说，这是这个故事中最激动人心的时刻之一，原因显而易见。
His story was one that I thought just contained such pain and terror.
我认为他的故事充满了痛苦和恐惧。
That was unimaginable to me at the time.
这对当时的我来说是难以想象的。
And now, I realize that last Tuesday might be the last time I-- I-- last Tuesday might be the last time I will ever-- I mean, that might have been the last time I saw my mother.
现在，我意识到上周二可能是我最后一次——我——上周二可能是我最后一次——我的意思是，那可能是我最后一次见到我的母亲。
I can't even get the tenses straight.
我什至无法弄清楚时态。
The grammar doesn't compute in my mind.
语法不在我的脑海中计算。
And I thought that Ah Ming's experience was absolutely the most devastating.
我认为阿明的经历绝对是最具毁灭性的。
And then I think about how lucky Ah Ming was.
然后我就想阿明是多么幸运。
I know that if my mother contracts COVID-19, she will almost certainly die.
我知道，如果我的母亲感染了 COVID-19，她几乎肯定会死。
And I-- and I also know that-- I also know that, when I get the call from the hospital letting me know that she's been infected, I won't be permitted to go in there.
我——我也知道——我也知道，当我接到医院的电话，告诉我她被感染时，我将不被允许去那里。
And I can see my mother's window every day.
而且我每天都能看到妈妈的窗户。
There's a little park that separates my apartment building from my mom's hospital.
我的公寓楼和我妈妈的医院之间有一个小公园。
And when I stand in the park, I can see her window.
当我站在公园里时，我可以看到她的窗户。
I can almost see the orchid that me and my friend brought her a couple of weeks ago.
我几乎可以看到我和我的朋友几周前给她带来的兰花。
Or at least, I think I can see it.
或者至少，我想我能看到它。
And I think about-- I think about the fact that, when she is dying, if she contracts the virus, those last hours that Ah Ming held his father's hand, maybe-- that maybe I'll be standing in the park, just looking up at her window.
我想到——我想到这样一个事实：当她濒临死亡时，如果她感染了病毒，阿明握着他父亲的手的最后几个小时，也许——也许我会站在公园里，只是抬头看着她的窗户。
Maybe that's the closest-- maybe that's the closest I'll be able to get to her in her last hours.
也许这是最接近的——也许这是我在她生命的最后几个小时里能找到的最接近她的地方。
Emanuele Berry is a producer on our show.
埃马努埃莱·贝里 (Emanuele Berry) 是我们节目的制片人。
Coming up, a tiny, tiny virus breaks open a jail cell.
即将到来，一种微小的病毒打破了牢房。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
This American Life, I'm Ira Glass.
这个美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, the test-- the coronavirus is here.
今天的节目，测试——冠状病毒来了。
There are people who, right now, are forced to deal with it.
现在，有些人被迫应对这个问题。
We hear stories of how they face that challenge.
我们听到他们如何应对这一挑战的故事。
We've arrived at act three of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第三幕了。
Act Three, Outbreak Breakout.
第三幕，爆发爆发。
So another way that the coronavirus outbreak has had a huge impact on people's lives-- prisons and jails around the country are starting to release inmates they wouldn't have otherwise, or wouldn't have released as early, anyway, to try to protect prisoners behind bars from getting sick.
因此，冠状病毒的爆发对人们的生活产生了巨大影响——全国各地的监狱和看守所开始释放本来不会释放的囚犯，或者无论如何也不会这么早就释放的囚犯，以试图保护狱中的囚犯不生病。
Correctional institutions, as you can imagine, are Petri dishes of germs and microbes.
正如你可以想象的那样，惩教机构是细菌和微生物的培养皿。
The latest number that I'm seeing, as I'm recording this, more than 50 inmates at Rikers Island in New York City-- that's just one jail here-- correctional officers there and elsewhere also have the virus now.
在我记录此事时，我看到的最新数字是，纽约市赖克斯岛（这里只是一所监狱）有 50 多名囚犯，那里和其他地方的惩教人员现在也感染了该病毒。
So the city is letting 300 inmates go.
因此，该市将释放 300 名囚犯。
Right next door, New Jersey ordered 1000 inmates to be released this past week.
就在上周，新泽西州下令释放 1000 名囚犯。
You're seeing similar decisions like that-- they're not as widespread-- in Ohio, Illinois, Oklahoma, California, and Texas since the crisis hit.
自危机爆发以来，你会在俄亥俄州、伊利诺伊州、俄克拉荷马州、加利福尼亚州和德克萨斯州看到类似的决定，但它们并不普遍。
In San Francisco, the public defender's office urged the release of, quote, "All people who are immunocompromised or over the age of 60." Producer Sean Cole talked with somebody who made that cut.
在旧金山，公设辩护人办公室敦促释放“所有免疫功能低下或 60 岁以上的人”。制片人肖恩·科尔与剪辑者进行了交谈。
They're really two factors under consideration when figuring out who to release from jail or prison amid the COVID-19 outbreak.
在确定在 COVID-19 爆发期间将哪些人从监狱释放时，这实际上是需要考虑的两个因素。
One, how severe was the crime?
一、犯罪情节有多严重？
And then, two, how's the person's health?
然后，第二，此人的健康状况如何？
How vulnerable are they?
他们有多脆弱？
And given these two criteria, one of the best candidates available for release--
考虑到这两个标准，可供发布的最佳候选者之一——
Yes, sir.
是的，先生。
Sean Cole --was Terry Smith.
肖恩·科尔——就是特里·史密斯。
Hi, how are you?
你好你好吗？
--or Ma'am.
——或者女士。
Sean Cole It's-- [LAUGHS] it's sir.
肖恩·科尔：这是——[笑]是先生。
It's sir?
是先生吗？
OK, yeah, because I-- can you still hear me?
好吧，是的，因为我——你还能听到我说话吗？
OK, I'm trying to get some privacy.
好吧，我正在尝试获得一些隐私。
I'm going to a spot where--
我要去一个地方——
I got a hold of Terry at a residential treatment program for veterans called Fresh Start.
我在一个名为“新鲜开始”的退伍军人住院治疗项目中联系了特里。
And they have facilities all over the country.
他们的设施遍布全国。
This one, again, is in San Francisco.
这一次，又是在旧金山。
The court sent him there last week when it became clear that he might be in danger of sitting in a jail cell.
上周，当法院明确他可能有被关进牢房的危险时，他被送往那里。
He'd been in the county jail for nearly a year, charged with breaking into a couple of garages, nothing violent.
他在县监狱关了将近一年，被控闯入几个车库，但并非暴力行为。
This was just his latest stint on these charges.
这只是他对这些指控的最新一次指控。
He's been in and out a few times.
他已经进进出出好几次了。
And at 64, soon to be 65 years old, Terry has a whole pileup of comorbidities that might sound a little overwhelming when I list them.
特里已经 64 岁了，很快就 65 岁了，她患有一大堆合并症，当我列出这些合并症时，这些合并症听起来可能有点令人难以承受。
He has a seizure disorder, PTSD from serving in Vietnam, and also being abused when he was a foster kid.
他患有癫痫症，在越南服役期间患有创伤后应激障碍，并且在他还是一个寄养孩子时也受到过虐待。
He's a recovering heroin addict.
他是一名正在康复的海洛因成瘾者。
And most pressingly right now, Terry suffers from chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder, COPD.
目前最紧迫的是，特里患有慢性阻塞性肺病（COPD）。
It's a lung disease that already sent him to the hospital a couple of times, which is why he got so frightened when he heard about the thing that's apparently coming for everybody's lungs.
这种肺部疾病已经把他送进医院好几次了，这就是为什么当他听说这种东西显然会侵袭每个人的肺部时，他感到如此害怕。
Inmates at San Francisco County jail are allowed to watch TV from 7:00 to 8:00 in the morning.
旧金山县监狱的囚犯可以在早上 7:00 至 8:00 期间看电视。
So he just saw it on the news.
所以他才在新闻里看到的。
We watch everyday.
我们每天都看。
And we saw it get worse and worse.
我们看到情况变得越来越糟。
And people started panicking in the jail.
监狱里的人们开始恐慌。
And they don't want to panic in jail.
他们不想在监狱里惊慌失措。
You get a panic in jail, you know what that'd do?
你在监狱里会感到恐慌，你知道那会怎样吗？
Where does that get you?
这会让你得到什么？
It leads to people, oh, no. We ain't going back to our bunks.
它导致人们，哦，不。我们不会回到我们的铺位。
We're not-- for three days, we did not eat any meals.
我们已经三天没吃任何饭菜了。
For three days.
三天。
Sean Cole Because you were worried about getting the virus?
肖恩·科尔 因为你担心感染病毒？
No, well, because so, when they serve the meals, right?
不，嗯，因为所以，当他们提供饭菜时，对吧？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Terry Smith So you have a guy who hands you an empty tray.
特里·史密斯 所以有人递给你一个空托盘。
That's one meal.
这就是一顿饭。
And there's five people who put something on the tray, the beans, and then they put it into the jello, or the salad.
有五个人将一些东西放在托盘上，即豆子，然后将其放入果冻或沙拉中。
So that's five people, including the guy who puts the tray on there, six people.
所以总共有五个人，包括把托盘放在那里的那个人，一共六个人。
And then you've got the guy that takes the tray at the end and stacks it up and put it on a cart.
然后有人拿起最后的托盘，把它堆起来，放到手推车上。
Now we're at seven people, right?
现在我们有七个人了，对吧？
They're not wearing masks.
他们没有戴口罩。
They're wearing gloves, but they're not wearing masks.
他们戴着手套，但没有戴口罩。
You think they're not taking enough precautions if they're in the jail.
你认为如果他们在监狱里，他们没有采取足够的预防措施。
No, sir.
不，先生。
I mean, they're doing the best they can.
我的意思是，他们正在尽力而为。
But I think they should-- those servers should be wearing masks.
但我认为他们应该——那些服务员应该戴口罩。
There's no hand sanitizer.
没有洗手液。
So no one wants to eat the food.
所以没有人愿意吃这些食物。
They're scared.
他们很害怕。
A lot of older guys start trying to teach the young guys, dude, you need to like start washing your bed areas.
很多年长的人开始尝试教年轻人，伙计，你需要开始清洗你的床铺区域。
You need to start really not touching each other.
你们需要开始真正不互相接触。
You stop hand touching.
你停止用手触摸。
You're not even fully aware of how to, really-- to address this mess.
你甚至不完全知道如何真正解决这个烂摊子。
Terry has served three years, not in prison, in jail, pre-trial, waiting for his case to be resolved.
特里已经服刑三年了，没有入狱，在监狱里，在预审中，等待他的案子得到解决。
His lawyer, a guy named Eric Quandt, says that's the amount of time he should serve for the crimes he's accused of.
他的律师埃里克·匡特 (Eric Quandt) 表示，这就是他因被指控的罪行而应服刑的时间。
And Eric has been filing motions, trying to get a settlement of some kind, maybe a plea deal.
埃里克一直在提出动议，试图达成某种和解，也许是认罪协议。
But it kept getting delayed and delayed.
但它却一再拖延。
And then the virus hit.
然后病毒袭来。
I was scared.
我很害怕。
And yes, to be honest with you, I was scared.
是的，说实话，我很害怕。
I was scared to get the virus and die up here.
我害怕感染病毒并死在这里。
Eric saved my life by doing what he did for me.
埃里克为我做的事救了我的命。
Eric saved my life.
埃里克救了我的命。
And the judge.
还有法官。
It just seems so crazy that it was a virus that, essentially, came to your rescue.
这看起来太疯狂了，以至于它本质上是一种病毒来拯救你。
Yeah, a virus.
是的，一种病毒。
Sean Cole That was all it took for the criminal justice system to kick into gear, a deadly scourge that's devastating the world.
肖恩·科尔：这就是刑事司法系统启动的全部原因，这是一场毁灭世界的致命祸害。
So Terry is no longer behind bars and walks out into a city that's completely on lockdown.
这样，特里就不再身陷囹圄，走进了一座完全封锁的城市。
Remember, San Francisco was one of the first cities to issue a shelter in place ordinance.
请记住，旧金山是最早颁布就地避难条例的城市之一。
He told me he had all these fantasies about what he would do when he was free again-- see his girlfriend.
他告诉我，他幻想着当他再次有空时会做什么——见他的女朋友。
Say hi to his friends.
向他的朋友们问好。
Instead, he's not seeing anyone except the other guys in the facility.
相反，除了设施中的其他人之外，他没有看到任何人。
My granddaughter's, we-- she's really close to me, real close, OK.
我的孙女，我们——她和我真的很亲近，真的很亲近，好吧。
I could wait.
我可以等。
I'm getting out.
我要出去了。
I'm going to go get my baby and put her in my arms, you know what I mean?
我要去接我的孩子，把她抱在怀里，你知道我的意思吗？
So she says-- she don't understand.
所以她说——她不明白。
Papa, you're out.
爸爸，你出去了。
Why can't you come see me?
你为什么不能来看我？
I want to make sure that, when I come see you, I'm OK to come see you.
我想确保，当我来看你时，我可以来看你。
I got to make sure I'm not bringing her nothing, you know what I mean?
我必须确保我没有给她带任何东西，你明白我的意思吗？
It's like these two opposite things, being incarcerated and not being incarcerated, inched ever so slightly closer to each other when Terry wasn't looking.
这就像这两个相反的事物，被监禁和未被监禁，在特里不注意的时候彼此靠得很近。
His life kind of looks a lot like other people's in America right now, happening indoors, looking at the outside world like it's an exhibit.
他的生活看起来很像现在美国其他人的生活，发生在室内，看外面的世界就像看展览一样。
But listen to how he talks about it.
但听听他是如何谈论这件事的。
I can look right now-- from the kitchen, I can see the beach.
我现在可以从厨房看到海滩。
One block from me to the right, one block from me to the right is the park, Golden Gate Park.
离我右边一个街区，离我右边一个街区就是公园，金门公园。
10 blocks down, I can see the ocean.
往下走10个街区，我就能看到大海。
I see it every night.
我每天晚上都会看到它。
I watch the sunset.
我看日落。
I sat last night and watched the sunset-- red.
昨晚我坐着看日落——红色的。
So want to hear my breakfast?
那么想听听我的早餐吗？
I had an avocado and banana.
我吃了鳄梨和香蕉。
It's the same words that a lot of us are saying to each other on the phone or Skype or whatever.
这也是我们很多人通过电话、Skype 或其他方式互相说的话。
This is what I'm looking at out my window.
这就是我在窗外看到的。
This is what I ate.
这是我吃的。
But for Terry, they're a celebration.
但对于特里来说，这是一场庆祝。
Sean is one of the producers of our show.
肖恩是我们节目的制片人之一。
[MUSIC - "BORED" BY MNEK"] Act Four: Hello From the Other Side Ira Glass Act Four, Hello From the Other Side-- OK, so Emanuele Berry, who you heard earlier in the show in act two-- Emanuele used to live in China.
[音乐 - “BORED” BY MNEK”] 第四幕：来自另一边的你好 艾拉·格拉斯 第四幕，来自另一边的你好 - 好的，那么埃马努埃莱·贝里，你在第二幕节目的早些时候听到过 - 埃马努埃莱曾经住在中国。
And she's been texting back and forth with friends there since January when the virus shut down parts of that country.
自一月份病毒导致该国部分地区封锁以来，她就一直与那里的朋友来回发短信。
Now, as American cities are shutting down, a lot of her friends in China are texting her, asking how she's doing.
现在，随着美国城市的封锁，她的很多中国朋友都给她发短信，询问她过得怎么样。
Here's Emanuele.
这是埃马努埃莱。
The other day, I got this text from China.
前几天，我收到了来自中国的短信。
It said, "A word from your future-- it will get better.
它说：“来自你未来的一句话——它会变得更好。
Today, we were on the street, and it almost felt normal."
今天，我们走在街上，感觉几乎很正常。”
It arrived during a hard week.
它是在艰难的一周到达的。
I was worried about my dad, who's high risk, money, my friends who work in hospitals, my best friend who's supposed to have a kid any day now.
我担心我的父亲，他的风险很高，担心金钱，我的在医院工作的朋友，我最好的朋友，他现在随时都会有一个孩子。
I'm constantly thinking about how uncertain each day feels.
我不断地思考每一天的不确定性。
And I'm craving normal.
我渴望正常。
My friend Rebecca Kanthor, sent it.
我的朋友丽贝卡·坎托尔寄来的。
She lives in Shanghai.
她住在上海。
And I called her to hear more about this normal.
我打电话给她，想了解更多关于这种正常情况的信息。
Oh, hey.
哦，嘿。
I got to tell my husband to stop--
我必须告诉我丈夫停下来——
[LAUGHS] Rebecca Kanthor He's like in the-- hey, yo.
[笑] Rebecca Kanthor 他就像是——嘿，哟。
[NON-ENGLISH].
[非英语]。
[WHISTLES]
[口哨声]
Rebecca is American, but she's lived in China for 17 years.
丽贝卡是美国人，但她在中国生活了17年。
She's married to a Chinese man.
她嫁给了一个中国男人。
Her kids go to Chinese schools.
她的孩子们在中文学校上学。
[LAUGHTER] Emanuele Berry Wait, for what?
[笑声] Emanuele Berry 等等，为了什么？
Is he cooking?
他在做饭吗？
I think he's hungry, and he wants to cut a piece off of it.
我觉得他饿了，想切一块。
Husband out of the way, we talked.
老公让开了，我们聊了聊。
China, of course, has had a much more aggressive response to the virus than anything that's happened in the states so far.
当然，中国对病毒的反应比美国迄今为止采取的任何行动都要积极得多。
They locked down Wuhan, traced contacts, isolated people who are sick, sometimes separating them from their families.
他们封锁了武汉，追踪接触者，隔离病人，有时甚至将他们与家人分开。
The government mandated quarantines.
政府强制隔离。
The governor of New York has suggested it might be four to nine months before a stay at home orders are lifted.
纽约州州长表示，可能需要四到九个月的时间才能取消居家令。
But in Wuhan, just two months in, the city is set to open up again.
但在武汉，仅仅两个月后，这座城市就将再次开放。
And in cities like Beijing and Shanghai, the few new cases being reported are coming from travelers.
在北京和上海等城市，报告的少数新病例来自旅行者。
They've been told to resume life as normal.
他们被告知要恢复正常生活。
[SIGHS] How are you doing?
[叹气]你好吗？
Emanuele Berry How am I doing?
埃马努埃莱·贝里 我怎么样？
[LAUGHS] I don't know.
[笑]我不知道。
Like, I think I've accepted that it's going to be tough.
就像，我想我已经接受这将是艰难的。
But part of me just wants to, like, know that it's going to be OK at the end of it, even if it's going to be so like-- if it's going to be difficult, if that makes sense, you know?
但我内心的一部分只是想知道最后一切都会好起来的，即使它会很困难，如果这有意义，你知道吗？
You want to know it's going to be OK in the end?
你想知道最后一切都会好起来吗？
I mean, what was it-- what was it like for you two months ago?
我的意思是，两个月前你的情况怎么样？
Yeah, it's-- I mean, it definitely feels different now.
是的，我的意思是，现在感觉肯定不一样了。
I mean, two months ago, it just felt like, yeah, just so uncertain and things changing by the day.
我的意思是，两个月前，感觉就像，是的，非常不确定，事情每天都在变化。
Yeah, so just every week was different.
是的，所以每周都是不同的。
At this point, you're, maybe, on the other side of this-- possibly on the other side of this, like what-- what does that look like?
在这一点上，你也许在这的另一边——可能在这的另一边，就像——那是什么样子的？
Well, OK, so yeah, things are, you know, feeling much better here.
嗯，好吧，是的，你知道，这里感觉好多了。
I think it just feels like, you know, taking off like a really hot jacket.
我觉得就像脱掉一件非常热的夹克一样。
You know like when you're wearing a winter jacket and, all of a sudden, the weather gets warmer, and you're like, ah, I don't need to be wearing this anymore.
你知道，就像当你穿着一件冬季夹克时，突然间，天气变暖了，你就会想，啊，我不需要再穿这件了。
You take it off.
你把它脱下来。
And you've got short sleeve shirt-- short sleeves on.
你有一件短袖衬衫——短袖。
And you just feel just relaxed.
你会感觉很放松。
Can you take the train now?
现在可以坐火车吗？
Like, what are the trains like?
比如，火车是什么样的？
Yes, I just saw a picture from the train today.
是的，我今天刚在火车上看到一张照片。
And it would-- at the beginning, the trains were-- the subways were still running, I think, the whole way through.
我想，一开始，火车、地铁仍然在运行。
But back in the beginning, there was like one or two people per car.
但一开始，每辆车大约只有一两个人。
And now, all the seats-- at least the photo I saw, all the seats were being sat in.
现在，所有的座位——至少在我看到的照片上，所有的座位都坐满了。
But I haven't taken the subway since January.
但自从一月份以来我就没有坐过地铁了。
You haven't?
你没有吗？
Is there-- is there a reason for that?
这有什么原因吗？
Or is it just--
或者只是——
I think I just told myself that that was something that I could control.
我想我只是告诉自己这是我可以控制的。
And I just thought, well, if I can get it there on my electric bike or my bicycle, then I'll go to those places.
我只是想，好吧，如果我能用我的电动自行车或自行车到达那里，那么我就会去那些地方。
But if I-- I just--
但如果我——我只是——
I stopped taking taxis.
我不再乘坐出租车了。
And I stopped taking the subway.
我不再乘坐地铁了。
Even though they're all running, it's just kind of my personal thing that I decided I wasn't going to do.
尽管他们都在跑步，但这只是我个人的事情，我决定不去做。
As I talked to Rebecca and other friends in China, I've noticed this thing.
当我与丽贝卡和其他中国朋友交谈时，我注意到了这一点。
When they talk about things returning to normal, they start describing all these things that aren't normal.
当他们谈论一切恢复正常时，他们开始描述所有这些不正常的事情。
You know, everyone's still wearing a mask.
要知道，大家都还戴着口罩。
Here, we're told not to wear a mask.
在这里，我们被告知不要戴口罩。
In some cities in China, masks are mandatory.
在中国的一些城市，戴口罩是强制性的。
Or like I saw-- like the other day, I saw someone taking a selfie.
或者就像我看到的那样——就像前几天一样，我看到有人在自拍。
And then, like, halfway through the selfie, they were like, oh, shoot.
然后，就像，自拍进行到一半时，他们就像，哦，开枪。
I'm still wearing my mask.
我还戴着面具。
So they to remember, take it off, and then take the selfie again.
所以他们要记住，把它摘下来，然后再拍一张自拍照。
What-- does that mask-- does it sort of feel like this reminder to you that it's like, oh, this isn't normal?
那张面具是不是有点提醒你，哦，这不正常？
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like-- because actually the government said you can take off your masks.
是的，是的，有点像——因为实际上政府说你可以摘掉口罩。
They said-- you know, they had a press conference.
他们说——你知道，他们召开了新闻发布会。
And the government official took their mask off and was like, you can take your masks off.
政府官员摘下口罩，然后说，你可以摘下口罩了。
You only need them when you go into certain public areas.
仅当您进入某些公共区域时才需要它们。
But in reality, most people are still wearing them.
但实际上，大多数人仍然戴着它们。
And it's not just that people are still wearing masks.
不仅仅是人们仍然戴着口罩。
Temperature taking is now everywhere.
现在测量体温无处不在。
So when you go into any public space and also when you enter any housing compound, like an apartment complex, there's someone at the gate with a little body sensor thermometer.
因此，当您进入任何公共场所以及任何住宅区（例如公寓大楼）时，门口都会有人拿着一个小型人体传感器温度计。
And they put it up to your head, or they put it on your wrist, and take your temperature.
他们把它放在你的头上，或者放在你的手腕上，测量你的体温。
The newest thing for Rebecca to get used to has been this QR code system.
丽贝卡最近适应的就是这个二维码系统。
It basically sorts people.
它基本上对人进行分类。
Should you be quarantined or not?
到底该不该隔离呢？
It's a little unclear how people are being sorted into these categories.
目前尚不清楚人们是如何被分为这些类别的。
But it involves people's locations being tracked through their cell phone.
但这涉及通过手机追踪人们的位置。
If you've recently visited a hospital, been around a sick person, bought a train or a plane ticket, it's being monitored.
如果您最近去过医院、接触过病人、购买过火车票或飞机票，都会受到监控。
The code is like an admission ticket to do anything in the city.
该代码就像一张在这座城市做任何事情的入场券。
I went to visit a friend at their apartment complex.
我去拜访一位朋友的公寓。
And I had to-- first of all, I had to register my name, phone number, passport number.
我必须——首先，我必须注册我的姓名、电话号码、护照号码。
And then I also had to show them on my phone a-- like a QR code, like a little square code that shows that I've been in Shanghai for the past 14 days.
然后我还必须在手机上出示它们——就像一个二维码，就像一个小方块代码，显示我过去 14 天一直在上海。
So I get a green code.
所以我得到了一个绿色代码。
And you know, the only way they can find that out is they have my phone records and like my GPS coordinates or whatever.
你知道，他们能找到这一点的唯一方法是他们有我的电话记录，比如我的 GPS 坐标或其他什么。
I don't know how they find it.
我不知道他们是怎么找到的。
But that's not something that-- I don't know.
但这不是我不知道的事情。
Is that possible in the US?
这在美国可能吗？
I don't-- I don't think-- I don't think so.
我不——我不认为——我不这么认为。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Right, now, that offers-- that gives me-- that makes me feel like I have a sense of security, to be honest, because I look at it and I say, oh, well, I've been here for the past 14 days.
现在，说实话，这给了我一种安全感，因为我看着它，我说，哦，好吧，过去 14 天我一直在这里。
I'm in the safe zone.
我在安全区。
You know, and if you go elsewhere, if you, maybe, go to another city or you travel abroad and you come back, then you're in a yellow zone or a red zone.
你知道，如果你去其他地方，如果你，也许，去另一个城市，或者你出国旅行然后回来，那么你就处于黄色区域或红色区域。
To play the game of basketball, you need a QR code.
要玩篮球比赛，您需要一个二维码。
And then when you get to the park, a volunteer takes your temperature before letting you in.
然后当你到达公园时，志愿者会在让你进入之前测量你的体温。
They do limit the numbers of people going into the park across the street from my house.
他们确实限制进入我家街对面公园的人数。
But there's just-- it's always lots of people there now.
但现在那里总是有很多人。
But I think they still-- I do not think they have let the ladies do their square dancing at night.
但我认为他们仍然——我认为他们没有让女士们在晚上跳广场舞。
I think that is not back to normal.
我认为这还没有恢复正常。
So usually, at nighttime, like around 7:00 PM in all the parks, you'll have like older women and older men doing dance routines, line dancing routines.
因此，通常在夜间，例如晚上 7:00 左右，在所有公园里，您都会看到年长的女性和年长的男性进行舞蹈表演、排舞表演。
And that has stopped.
现在这种情况已经停止了。
And I don't think it's come back.
我不认为它会回来。
Rebecca says they discourage it because the crowds would be too much.
丽贝卡说他们不鼓励这样做，因为人太多了。
I doubt that our future in the US looks anything like what Rebecca is describing.
我怀疑我们在美国的未来是否像丽贝卡所描述的那样。
But everything feels so chaotic here.
但这里的一切都感觉那么混乱。
And the idea that eventually that feeling stops, you get used to the new normal, I can take comfort in that.
想到最终这种感觉会停止，你会习惯新常态，我可以从中得到安慰。
Emanuele Berry.
伊曼纽尔·贝里.
[MUSIC - "MIAMI, 2017" BY BILLY JOEL]
[音乐 - 比利·乔尔的《迈阿密，2017》]
Our program was produced today by Dana Chivvis and Nadia Reiman.
今天我们的节目由 Dana Chivvis 和 Nadia Reiman 制作。
The people put together today's show from their own homes-- Bim Adewunmi, Emanuele Berry, Susan Burton, Ben Calhoun, Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Noor Gill, Damien Graef, Chana Joffe-Walt, Miki Meek, Lina Misitzis, Stowe Nelson, Katharine Rae Mondo, Ben Phelan, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetela, and Matt Tierney.
今天的节目由 Bim Adewunmi、Emanuele Berry、Susan Burton、Ben Calhoun、Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Noor Gill、Damien Graef、Chana Joffe-Walt、Miki Meek、Lina Misitzis、Stowe Nelson、Katharine Rae Mondo、Ben Phelan、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetela 和 Matt Tierney 等人在自己的家中组织而成。
Our managing editor is Diane Wu.
我们的总编辑是 Diane Wu。
Our executive editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的执行编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Special thanks today to Clara Amfo, Patty Lyons, and everybody at Meals on Wheels in Savannah, Georgia, James Dominick Jr, Sammy Chase, Sam Braun, Vicky Ibarra, Daniel Harris, Peter McNally, George, Jamie Lowe, Adnan Khan, Alex, Kim Sue, Chuck Leong, Christina Peña, and Zelu Goa.
今天特别感谢 Clara Amfo、Patty Lyons 以及佐治亚州萨凡纳 Meals on Wheels 的所有人、James Dominick Jr、Sammy Chase、Sam Braun、Vicky Ibarra、Daniel Harris、Peter McNally、George、Jamie Lowe、Adnan Khan、Alex、Kim Sue、Chuck Leong、Christina Peña 和 Zelu Goa。
Our website, where, to pass the time in lockdowns in your own home, you can stream our archive of nearly 700 episodes for absolutely free, ThisAmericanLife.org.
在我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org 上，您可以完全免费地观看我们近 700 集的档案，以打发居家隔离期间的时间。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, when I was in quarantine last week, he called me every single day to make sure I was OK.
你知道，当我上周被隔离时，他每天都给我打电话，以确保我没事。
But I don't know, I don't think that he had the right list of symptoms.
但我不知道，我认为他的症状列表不正确。
He kept asking me--
他一直问我——
Oh, is your butt hurting?
哦，你屁股疼吗？
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。