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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言：序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
How's it going?
怎么样了？
John How are you feeling today?
约翰 你今天感觉怎么样？
Yeah, it's a little chilly.
是的，有点冷。
I'm so excited, man.
我太兴奋了，伙计。
This is the day.
这就是这一天。
Yeah, this is the day.
是的，就是这一天。
In a big hall on a pier in Portland, Maine, walls of windows looking out on the water, Abdi Nor, wearing a royal blue three-piece suit, American flag tie, American flag pin on his lapel.
在缅因州波特兰码头的一个大厅里，阿卜迪·诺尔穿着宝蓝色三件套西装，打着美国国旗领带，翻领上别着美国国旗别针，透过窗户可以看到外面的水面。
Hey, John.
嘿，约翰。
John Look at you.
约翰看看你。
[INAUDIBLE]
[听不清]
Yes, yes, yes.
是的，是的，是的。
I dressed up for this.
我为此精心打扮。
I ordered this online.
我在网上订购了这个。
It arrived yesterday.
昨天到了。
Ooh, just in time.
噢，来得正是时候。
Abdi Nor So it's all the US flag.
Abdi Nor 所以这都是美国国旗。
This was recorded three weeks ago.
这是三周前录制的。
Abdi and 45 others from 25 countries were becoming US citizens.
阿卜迪和来自 25 个国家的其他 45 人正在成为美国公民。
And just before the ceremony started, Abdi was told that he will be leading the entire group at the end in the Pledge of Allegiance.
就在仪式开始前，阿卜迪被告知他将在最后带领整个团体宣誓效忠。
Yes.
是的。
Abdi Nor I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
阿卜迪·诺尔 我宣誓效忠美利坚合众国的国旗和它所代表的共和国，这是上帝统治下的一个国家，不可分割，人人享有自由和正义。
Yes.
是的。
Abdi Nor Any pronunciation problem?
Abdi Nor 有发音问题吗？
OK, yeah.
好的，是的。
Ira Glass It's been a long journey to this moment for Abdi, starting in 2013.
Ira Glass 从 2013 年开始，Abdi 经历了一段漫长的旅程才走到这一刻。
We did a whole episode of our show years ago, built around recordings that Abdi made during that difficult journey to America.
几年前，我们制作了一整集节目，围绕阿卜迪在那段艰难的美国之旅中录制的录音制作。
And today, to commemorate his new status as our fellow citizen, we thought we would replay that story with some updates at the end.
今天，为了纪念他作为我们同胞的新地位，我们认为我们会重播这个故事，并在最后进行一些更新。
His odyssey began when he won something called the Diversity Visa Lottery, or the DV Lottery.
当他赢得“多元化签证彩票”或“DV 彩票”时，他的冒险之旅就开始了。
If you've never heard of this, it sounds like the kind of thing that can't be real.
如果您从未听说过这件事，那么这听起来像是一种不可能是真实的事情。
But it's been around since the '90s, run by the United States government every year.
但它自上世纪 90 年代以来就已存在，每年都由美国政府运营。
The original idea of it was to get a more varied group of immigrants from a diversity of countries into our country.
其最初的想法是让更多来自不同国家的移民群体进入我们的国家。
The Trump administration has cut some of the eligible countries from the list, but the lottery is still operating.
特朗普政府已将一些符合条件的国家从名单中删除，但抽签活动仍在进行。
Over 14 million people applied for the 2020 lottery, with over 80,000 winners.
超过 1400 万人申请了 2020 年彩票，中奖者超过 8 万人。
Back in 2013, Abdi found out he won in a cyber cafe in Kenya.
早在 2013 年，阿卜迪就在肯尼亚的一家网吧发现自己中奖了。
Abdi was a Somali refugee back then, living in Kenya.
阿卜迪当时是一名索马里难民，住在肯尼亚。
His next tape I'm going to play you was from those days, so you'll hear Abdi's American accent is not as good as it is now.
我要给你播放的他的下一个磁带是那时候的，所以你会听到阿布迪的美国口音不像现在那么好。
He remembers the moment that he won this way.
他还记得自己以这种方式获胜的那一刻。
He sat down on his computer.
他坐在电脑前。
I put my confirmation number.
我输入了我的确认号码。
I put my date of birth, and then clicked Submit.
我输入了出生日期，然后单击“提交”。
There was a few seconds of silence.
沉默了几秒钟。
But then, you have been randomly selected.
但随后，你就被随机选中了。
Everybody went nuts, lifted him up in the air in his chair.
每个人都疯了，把他坐在椅子上举到空中。
But Abdi didn't believe it.
但阿卜迪并不相信。
He asked his friends to put him down and started entering his information into the computer again and again.
他让朋友们放下他，并开始一次又一次地将他的信息输入电脑。
It's the same answer, the same response.
这是相同的答案，相同的反应。
I put in same response.
我也做出了同样的回应。
I realized I won.
我意识到我赢了。
I walked out with these friends all shouting behind me, in front of me, holding my hands, shaking me.
我走出去，这些朋友都在我身后、在我面前大喊大叫，握着我的手，摇晃着我。
My heart was bumping.
我的心砰砰直跳。
I was not holding myself together.
我没有振作起来。
Moving to America seemed like a done deal.
移居美国似乎已成定局。
But he didn't know the half of it.
但他不知道其中的一半。
Winning the lottery was especially a big deal for Abdi because really more than anybody he knew, Abdi had been obsessed with America since he was little.
赢得彩票对阿卜迪来说尤其重要，因为阿卜迪从小就对美国着迷，他比他认识的任何人都更痴迷。
As a kid growing up in Mogadishu, Somalia, he'd go to the movies, which, in Mogadishu, just meant a TV perched on a table in a shack.
作为一个在索马里摩加迪沙长大的孩子，他会去看电影，在摩加迪沙，这意味着一台电视放在小屋的桌子上。
And he would bring a pen and paper to watch American films so he could write down any words he didn't know and learn the language better.
他会带笔和纸去看美国电影，这样他就可以写下任何他不认识的单词，从而更好地学习语言。
He became known to people as the guy who could translate the movie for you.
他被人们称为可以为你翻译电影的人。
Stuff would happen on screen and everybody would turn to Abdi, who would shout out, "He says he's about to kill that guy." He pronounced his English like an American.
屏幕上会发生一些事情，每个人都会转向阿卜迪，阿卜迪会大喊：“他说他要杀了那个人。”他的英语发音像美国人一样。
That's why his accent is so amazing when you hear him, which led to his nickname that all his friends called him.
这就是为什么当你听到他的口音时，他的口音是如此惊人，这也导致了他所有朋友都这样称呼他的绰号。
Abdi the American-- that's my name.
美国人阿卜迪——那是我的名字。
That's my nickname.
这是我的昵称。
And as he got older, he devoted himself to the goal of getting to America, not only studying English, but also teaching it.
随着年龄的增长，他致力于去美国的目标，不仅学习英语，还教授英语。
He did some radio stories in English.
他用英语做了一些广播故事。
And you can totally understand why he'd want to leave his country, right?
你完全可以理解他为什么想离开他的国家，对吗？
He grew up in Somalia.
他在索马里长大。
For years, there was no functioning government.
多年来，没有一个正常运作的政府。
It was rival warlords, and militias, and just anarchy, dangerous and violent.
这是敌对的军阀和民兵，还有无政府状态、危险和暴力。
There were bombings and attacks from the terrorist group, Al-Shabaab, which is affiliated with Al-Qaeda.
隶属于基地组织的恐怖组织青年党发动了爆炸和袭击。
Abdi says, for him, or really for any man in his 20s in Somalia, it's hard to stay out of the fight.
阿卜迪说，对他来说，或者对索马里任何一个 20 多岁的男人来说，很难置身事外。
You can't just be neutral and go about your life.
你不能只是保持中立并继续你的生活。
He tells stories of Al-Shabaab members threatening him to join them, or else.
他讲述了青年党成员威胁他加入他们的故事，否则就加入。
At one checkpoint on the way to his mom's, they told him basically, next time you come through here, you better be one of us.
在去他妈妈家的路上的一个检查站，他们基本上告诉他，下次你经过这里时，你最好成为我们中的一员。
So it was that, or join the government forces who were fighting Al-Shabaab.
事情就是这样，或者加入与青年党作战的政府军。
Or he could flee the country.
或者他可以逃离这个国家。
You know those boats full of people trying to cross the Mediterranean to get to Europe, and sometimes they sink, and hundreds of people drown?
你知道那些满载人的船只试图穿越地中海前往欧洲，有时它们会沉没，数百人被淹死？
Abdi knows people who've gone on those boats and on boats like them to escape to Yemen.
阿卜迪知道有人乘坐这些船和像他们一样的船逃到也门。
Yes, I've lost three very good friends.
是的，我失去了三个非常好的朋友。
And one of these friends had his child less than a year old with his wife.
其中一位朋友和妻子生了一个不到一岁的孩子。
He knew how to swim, but he could not swim because his child was-- you know, he was trying to save his child and his wife.
他知道如何游泳，但他不会游泳，因为他的孩子——你知道，他试图拯救他的孩子和他的妻子。
And then they were caught up in the sea and sharks.
然后他们就陷入了大海和鲨鱼之中。
They were not the only ones who died there.
他们并不是唯一死在那里的人。
75 other Somalis were killed in that journey.
另有 75 名索马里人在那次旅程中丧生。
And that has changed nothing about our decision.
这并没有改变我们的决定。
That doesn't scare us a lot at all.
这一点也不让我们害怕。
We know death is there.
我们知道死亡就在那里。
Several times, Abdi planned to take one of those boats.
阿卜迪曾多次计划乘坐其中一艘船。
But he had trouble getting the money together.
但他很难筹到钱。
And eventually, his mom talked him out of it.
最终，他妈妈劝他打消了这个念头。
So instead, he escaped across the border to Kenya.
因此，他越过边境逃往肯尼亚。
Somalia and Kenya are next to each other.
索马里和肯尼亚毗邻。
Abdi moved to Nairobi, enrolled in a university, tried twice for a student visa to America, was denied both times.
阿卜迪搬到内罗毕，在一所大学就读，两次尝试申请美国的学生签证，但两次都被拒绝。
And if he hadn't gotten lucky that day in the cyber cafe, he said he would be looking again in getting on a boat.
如果他那天在网吧没有走运，他说他会再次考虑是否要上船。
Yeah.
是的。
If I had not won this green card lottery, that was one of my options.
如果我没有赢得这张绿卡彩票，那是我的选择之一。
I was not afraid to do that.
我并不害怕这样做。
I'm looking for a life.
我正在寻找一种生活。
And to get to that, I'll keep trying to the death.
为了实现这一目标，我将至死不渝地努力。
The thing about the lottery, though, what Abdi learned is that it does not guarantee you a life in America.
不过，阿卜迪了解到，关于彩票并不能保证你在美国的生活。
And in fact, it's just the first step.
事实上，这只是第一步。
After you win, you have to wait more than a year.
获胜后，还要等待一年多。
Then you show up at an American embassy for an interview.
然后你出现在美国大使馆接受面试。
And you have to gather all kinds of paperwork to bring with you-- medical documents and school transcripts and a criminal background check.
你必须收集各种文件并随身携带——医疗文件、学校成绩单以及犯罪背景调查。
Everything has to be perfect, every I dotted.
一切都必须完美，每一个点点滴滴。
The tiniest mistake means that you can be denied for good.
最微小的错误都意味着你可能会被永远拒绝。
In fact, most years, over half the people who win the lottery never get their visas.
事实上，大多数时候，超过一半的中彩票者从未获得签证。
They don't make it to America.
他们没能到达美国。
And right away after winning the lottery, Abdi got a bad break.
中了彩票后不久，阿卜迪就遭遇了糟糕的境遇。
The police in Nairobi, Kenya, where he lived, started raiding houses, looking to round up all the Somalis like him and kick them out of the country.
他居住的肯尼亚内罗毕的警察开始搜查房屋，试图围捕所有像他一样的索马里人，并将他们赶出该国。
We have a very unusual, day by day record of what happened to Abdi, because a BBC reporter named Leo Hornak wanted to document this process and started calling Abdi every night.
我们对阿卜迪的遭遇有非常不寻常的日复一日的记录，因为一位名叫利奥·霍纳克（Leo Hornak）的 BBC 记者想要记录这个过程，并开始每天晚上给阿卜迪打电话。
This is one of their very first recordings.
这是他们最早的录音之一。
Hey, Abdi.
嘿，阿卜迪。
Can you hear me?
你能听到我吗？
Abdi Nor Yeah, yeah, yeah.
阿卜迪·诺尔 是啊，是啊，是啊。
I can hear you.
我能听到你的声音。
Yeah.
是的。
Actually, I'm safe.
事实上，我很安全。
Leo Nornak You sent me an email that had me really worried today.
Leo Nornak 你今天给我发了一封电子邮件，让我非常担心。
Tell me what happened.
告诉我发生了什么事。
Yeah, it was crazy.
是的，太疯狂了。
I was actually chatting with some of the people in our apartment when these guys-- we don't call them the police, we call them the guys.
事实上，我正在和我们公寓里的一些人聊天，当这些人——我们不称他们为警察，我们称他们为“家伙”。
Out of nowhere, they appeared at the gate.
不知怎么的，他们就出现在了大门口。
And they asked us all to raise our hands up.
他们要求我们所有人举手。
And you know, we were thinking, like, OK, this is the end of it.
你知道，我们当时想，好吧，事情就这样结束了。
We're going to go there tonight.
今晚我们要去那里。
By there, he means a place called Kasarani, a giant soccer stadium that Kenyan authorities and police were using as a makeshift jail to hold hundreds of refugees.
他指的是一个叫卡萨拉尼的地方，这是一个巨大的足球场，肯尼亚当局和警察将其用作临时监狱，关押数百名难民。
Like, oh, my god, the next couple of nights you're going to be spending there in the concentration camp.
就像，哦，天哪，接下来的几个晚上你将在集中营里度过。
And then they take you to Mogadishu.
然后他们带你去摩加迪沙。
And OK, you're going to miss your lottery.
好吧，你会错过你的彩票的。
All that things were going through my mind.
所有这些事情都在我的脑海中闪过。
This call happened on April 17, 2014.
这个电话发生在2014年4月17日。
Abdi had 96 days to go before his interview at the US embassy, which would be scheduled for July 22nd.
阿卜迪距离定于 7 月 22 日前往美国大使馆接受面谈还有 96 天。
Leo started calling him every day.
利奥开始每天给他打电话。
He was worried for him.
他很为他担心。
Like I say, over half the people who win this lottery never make it to the United States.
就像我说的，超过一半的中彩票者从未到达美国。
Would Abdi succeed?
阿卜迪会成功吗？
Over the next three months, he faced a horrifying obstacle course.
在接下来的三个月里，他面临着可怕的障碍。
It's just like one seemingly impossible task after another.
这就像一项又一项看似不可能的任务。
At several points, he's afraid for his life.
有好几次，他都担心自己的生命安全。
And his story is the story of so many people around the world who are desperately trying to make it to America, to become one of us.
他的故事就是世界各地许多人的故事，他们拼命努力到达美国，成为我们中的一员。
OK, so you remember where we are.
好的，所以你记得我们在哪里。
Abdi is about to be taken into custody by the police.
阿卜迪即将被警方拘留。
Here's Leo Hornak.
请听利奥·霍纳克的报道。
So here's why the police were raiding Abdi's neighborhood in Nairobi.
这就是警察突袭内罗毕阿卜迪社区的原因。
Al-Shabaab, the very group Abdi moved to Kenya to escape, had been ramping up terrorist attacks inside Kenya.
青年党正是阿卜迪为逃亡而前往肯尼亚的组织，该组织一直在肯尼亚境内加强恐怖袭击。
You may remember one of the biggest ones.
您可能还记得最大的一个。
The hostage crisis in the upscale Westgate Mall is ongoing, the chaotic scene now a tense standoff.
高档西门购物中心的人质危机仍在持续，混乱的场面现在陷入紧张的对峙状态。
In September 2013, Al-Shabaab gunmen trapped hundreds of people in a mall for days and killed 67.
2013 年 9 月，青年党枪手将数百人困在商场内数天，并造成 67 人死亡。
And the way the Kenyan government responded to these terrorist attacks was the way governments often do in these situations-- with a huge crackdown on the community they held responsible.
肯尼亚政府应对这些恐怖袭击的方式就是政府在这种情况下经常采取的方式——对他们认为负有责任的社区进行大规模镇压。
Al-Shabaab is from Somalia, so they go after Somali refugees living in Kenya.
青年党来自索马里，所以他们追捕居住在肯尼亚的索马里难民。
The government is trying to clear them out of Kenya's cities and move them to camps in the country, or deport them back to Somalia.
政府正试图将他们清除出肯尼亚的城市，并将他们转移到该国的难民营，或者将他们驱逐回索马里。
And in Nairobi, the neighborhood they target is Abdi's neighborhood.
在内罗毕，他们的目标社区是阿卜迪的社区。
It's called Eastleigh.
它的名字叫伊斯特利。
It's a dense neighborhood where many poor Somalis live and where there's some Al-Shabaab support.
这是一个人口稠密的社区，居住着许多贫穷的索马里人，也得到了一些青年党的支持。
Eastleigh's been there for decades.
伊斯特利已经在那里呆了几十年了。
It's known as "Little Mogadishu".
它被称为“小摩加迪沙”。
Abdi lives there with his older brother, Hassan, in a small room with one bed and a single bathroom for the whole building.
阿卜迪和他的哥哥哈桑住在一间小房间里，整栋楼只有一张床和一间浴室。
So back to that phone call on April 17th.
回到 4 月 17 日的那通电话。
The police show up and grab Abdi by the shirt.
警察出现并抓住了阿卜迪的衬衫。
They just get your collar and hold it so tight.
他们只是抓住你的衣领并把它握得很紧。
And they tell you, come with me and just get into the truck.
他们告诉你，跟我来，上卡车。
That's what they said to all of us.
这就是他们对我们所有人说的。
It's 96 days until Abdi's interview.
距离阿卜迪接受采访还有 96 天。
And Abdi's worried they're going to throw him and his brother into a truck and take them into detention, before he can ever get his papers together and leave for America.
阿卜迪担心，在他拿到文件前往美国之前，他们会把他和他的兄弟扔进卡车并拘留他们。
They threaten you, and they try to forcibly take you to the trucks.
他们威胁你，并试图强行把你带到卡车上。
We were not going with them.
我们没有和他们一起去。
We were saying, OK, let's negotiate.
我们说，好吧，我们谈判吧。
I'm not going anywhere.
我哪儿也不去。
I have legitimate documents.
我有合法证件。
And they were telling us, OK, bring out all your documents.
他们告诉我们，好吧，拿出你所有的文件。
What do you have?
你有什么？
Abdi pulls out his refugee ID.
阿卜迪拿出他的难民身份证。
Officially, that should protect Abdi.
按照官方说法，这应该可以保护阿卜迪。
It's from the United Nations.
这是联合国发来的。
Unofficially--
非正式地——
He didn't even try to give it a single glance, because he knows the shape.
他连看一眼都没有，因为他知道它的形状。
He knows the frame of it.
他知道它的框架。
And he says-- he threw it into my face and he says, you're a refugee.
他说——他把它扔到我脸上，他说，你是难民。
What are you doing here?
你在这里做什么？
And they were like, come on, give us whatever you have.
他们说，来吧，把你拥有的一切都给我们。
That's one of them said.
其中一位是这么说的。
So that's when the real business starts.
这才是真正的生意开始的时候。
AKA, the bribes.
又名贿赂。
Abdi, his brother, and the neighbors start pooling their cash.
阿卜迪、他的兄弟和邻居们开始集中现金。
In total, I think we give them more than $80 US.
我认为我们总共给了他们超过 80 美元。
And I had to beg them.
我不得不恳求他们。
Please, I have nothing.
拜托，我什么都没有。
This is all I have.
这就是我的全部了。
I have nothing.
我什么都没有。
I have nothing.
我什么都没有。
This is all I have.
这就是我的全部了。
Please, you have to take it.
拜托，你必须接受它。
And how much does $80 US buy you in Eastleigh?
80 美元在伊斯特利能买多少钱？
It gives you the best food.
它给你最好的食物。
It's better off jeans, better off shirts, jacket, all that stuff.
最好穿牛仔裤、衬衫、夹克等等。
It's a lot of money.
这是很多钱。
It's indeed a lot of money.
确实是很多钱。
And Abdi, what happens next?
阿卜迪，接下来会发生什么？
I mean, there's no solution, right, to this.
我的意思是，对此没有解决方案，对吧。
This could happen again tomorrow.
明天这种情况可能会再次发生。
Not even tomorrow.
甚至明天也不行。
It can happen right now.
它现在就可能发生。
It can happen tonight.
这可能发生在今晚。
It can happen the next few minutes.
它可能会在接下来的几分钟内发生。
It can happen in the next few hours.
这可能会在接下来的几个小时内发生。
Talking to Abdi every day, what I realized was how relentless it is.
每天与阿卜迪交谈，我意识到它是多么无情。
Every night's another excuse for a crackdown.
每天晚上都是镇压的另一个借口。
And the Somalis are sitting ducks, trapped in this one neighborhood.
而索马里人则被困在这一地区，如坐以待毙。
Most people are indoors today.
今天大多数人都在室内。
They're not going to anywhere.
他们哪儿也不去。
They're not coming out of their houses.
他们不会走出自己的房子。
April 25th, 88 days to Abdi's interview, and counting.
4 月 25 日，距 Abdi 接受采访还有 88 天，并且还在继续计算。
It's a Friday, which normally would be a busy day in Eastleigh because it's a Muslim holy day.
今天是星期五，通常在伊斯特利会是忙碌的一天，因为这是穆斯林圣日。
People take off from work, go shopping, go out to eat, and meet at the mosque for prayers.
人们下班，去购物，出去吃饭，并在清真寺聚会祈祷。
But not today.
但今天不行。
Abdi says last week, the police showed up at a nearby mosque, grabbed people as they left prayers, and drove them away in trucks.
阿卜迪说，上周，警察出现在附近的一座清真寺，在人们离开祈祷时抓住他们，然后用卡车将他们赶走。
We're getting additional threats from the police, saying that they will intensify the operationism, that they will take more people.
我们收到了来自警方的更多威胁，称他们将加强行动，他们将带走更多人。
So Abdi, what do you think you're going to do today?
那么阿卜迪，你今天打算做什么？
Will you visit a mosque?
你会参观清真寺吗？
No, I will not.
不，我不会。
I never missed a prayer on Friday, but this one.
我从来没有错过周五的祈祷，但这次。
But this one.
但是这个。
Never missed, but you never know.
从未错过，但你永远不知道。
Soon, Abdi stops leaving his apartment for anything.
很快，阿卜迪不再因为任何事而离开他的公寓。
He and his brother, Hassan, essentially go into hiding, locked down in their building.
他和他的兄弟哈桑基本上躲藏起来，被锁在他们的大楼里。
They stopped going to school.
他们停止上学了。
As the days go by, food begins to run short.
日子一天天过去，食物开始短缺。
Abdi and Hassan pool their supplies with another Somali family on the ground floor of their building-- two women, one a single mother with two small boys.
阿卜迪和哈桑与他们大楼底层的另一个索马里家庭共享物资，其中包括两名妇女，其中一名是带着两个小男孩的单身母亲。
But it's not much.
但并不多。
Soon, they're down to just tea and sugar and a loaf of bread they're able to get each day from a Kenyan guy who delivers it on his bike.
很快，他们就只剩下每天从一个骑自行车送东西的肯尼亚人那里得到的茶、糖和一条面包。
That's what they were living on-- tea and bread.
这就是他们赖以生存的东西——茶和面包。
Our eyes are turning red, and the energy is running out.
我们的眼睛开始变红，能量正在耗尽。
We're looking, like, pretty skinny.
我们看起来很瘦。
Abdi and Hassan are paying for the tea and bread with money they get from overseas.
阿卜迪和哈桑用从海外获得的钱购买茶和面包。
Years ago, Abdi did some reports for an American public radio show called The Story, and a listener reached out wanting to help.
几年前，阿卜迪为一个名为“故事”的美国公共广播节目做了一些报道，一位听众主动寻求帮助。
She sends them money, not too different from lots of Somali refugees who have family members abroad supporting them.
她给他们寄钱，这与许多有海外家人支持的索马里难民没有太大区别。
But obviously, that kind of help only goes so far.
但显然，这种帮助只能到此为止。
It's challenging, because you can't even shut your eyes at night and sleep soundly.
这很有挑战性，因为你晚上甚至无法闭上眼睛睡个好觉。
This is Abdi's older brother, Hassan.
这是阿卜迪的哥哥哈桑。
He tells me they aren't sleeping.
他告诉我他们没有睡觉。
He and Abdi sound the same, by the way.
顺便说一句，他和阿卜迪听起来一样。
Apparently, even their father can't tell them apart on the phone.
显然，连他们的父亲都无法在电话里区分他们。
Any minute, you expect them breaking into your house or grabbing you.
随时都有可能他们闯入你的房子或抓住你。
It's like sleeping with your pants on.
就像穿着裤子睡觉一样。
You know, you are always ready.
你知道，你时刻准备着。
You don't know what's happening, you know?
你不知道发生了什么，知道吗？
Yeah, wow.
是的，哇。
Hassan Nor Feeling at home, it's like, you relax.
哈桑·诺 (Hassan Nor) 宾至如归的感觉，就像放松一样。
You watch movie.
你看电影。
It's something like-- that never happens.
类似的事情永远不会发生。
If you hear another sound outside, or some other knocking, or a small kind of sound, what was it?
如果你听到外面有另一种声音，或者其他敲击声，或者一种微小的声音，那是什么声音？
What's happening?
发生什么事了？
Are they coming?
他们来了吗？
We are not criminals, just we are refugees.
我们不是罪犯，我们只是难民。
And I never thought being a refugee will make you sound like criminal.
我从没想过身为难民会让你听起来像个罪犯。
The kind of police abuses Abdi told me about are well documented by human rights groups and journalists-- arbitrary arrests, extortion, beatings, forcible deportation, family members separated.
阿卜迪告诉我的警察虐待行为已被人权组织和记者详细记录——任意逮捕、勒索、殴打、强行驱逐出境、家庭成员离散。
It's illegal under international law to send refugees back to a country where their lives could be in danger.
根据国际法，将难民送回其生命可能面临危险的国家是非法的。
The spokesman for Kenya's Ministry of Interior, which oversaw the police raids in Eastleigh, told me they were justified to make the city safe from Al-Shabaab.
负责监督伊斯特利警方突袭行动的肯尼亚内政部发言人告诉我，他们有理由让这座城市免受青年党的袭击。
But he confirmed that the kind of police corruption Abdi told me about has been a problem for a long time in Kenya.
但他证实，阿卜迪告诉我的那种警察腐败现象在肯尼亚长期以来一直是一个问题。
That is a fact, he said.
这是事实，他说。
We're not denying that.
我们并不否认这一点。
Abdi and Hassan tell me Eastleigh's come up with a warning system.
阿卜迪和哈桑告诉我伊斯特利想出了一个警告系统。
The first person to spot the police from his window fires a group text to his friends to say, they're coming your way, so you've got time to hide.
第一个从窗户发现警察的人会向他的朋友群发短信说，他们正朝你走来，所以你有时间躲起来。
Then you pass the message on to your friends, and so on.
然后你将消息传递给你的朋友，等等。
You can tell a raid started, Hassan says, when you hear all the phones going off.
哈桑说，当你听到所有电话都响时，你就知道突袭已经开始。
With just three months left til his interview, Abdi still needs to get all the documents required by the US embassy, documents from the police, his school, his doctors.
距离面试只剩下三个月了，阿卜迪仍然需要获得美国大使馆要求的所有文件、警方、学校和医生的文件。
But he can't do any of that, because he can't even leave his building.
但他什么也做不到，因为他甚至不能离开他的大楼。
The clock's ticking.
时钟在滴答作响。
This is a long dream.
这是一个漫长的梦想。
My hopes were high to get this thing.
我对得到这个东西的希望很高。
But now today, I'm in trouble, you know?
但现在我有麻烦了，你知道吗？
Right.
正确的。
Abdi Nor It's not the Americans who are putting my visa into trouble.
阿卜迪·诺尔：不是美国人给我的签证带来麻烦。
It's the Kenyans, the Kenyan police.
这是肯尼亚人，肯尼亚警察。
And I'm supposed to have my interview here in July.
我预计七月份在这里接受面试。
My heart broke, you know?
我的心碎了你知道吗？
My feelings are very, very bad.
我的感觉非常非常糟糕。
I'm feeling like, OK, you're not going to make it.
我感觉，好吧，你不会成功的。
April 28th, T minus 85 days to his interview.
4 月 28 日，距离面试还有差 85 天。
Instead of hiding from the police, people are now surrendering.
人们现在不再躲避警察，而是投降。
From his window, Abdi sees entire families sitting on the sidewalk with their belongings.
从窗户里，阿卜迪看到全家人带着他们的财物坐在人行道上。
Hundreds of families are on the move back to Somalia.
数百个家庭正在返回索马里。
They're ready to show themselves to the police and say, all right, I'm done.
他们准备向警察露面并说，好吧，我受够了。
I'm done.
我受够了。
They don't have any more money to pay off the police.
他们没有更多的钱来付钱给警察了。
And rather than end up at the football stadium, they'll just go back to Somalia.
他们不会最终出现在足球场，而是会返回索马里。
Even the family on the ground floor, the two women with the young boys, are packing up.
就连底楼的两个女人和小男孩也在收拾行李。
Which really broke the heart of my brother and I, because that means we're going to be alone here.
这真的让我和哥哥心碎了，因为这意味着我们将独自一人留在这里。
Did you have any conversations with them about their plans, what they're afraid of?
您是否与他们讨论过他们的计划以及他们害怕什么？
Can you tell me about any conversation you had with any member of that family?
您能告诉我您与该家庭成员的任何谈话吗？
What they are telling me, Abdi, what are you doing here?
他们告诉我什么，阿卜迪，你在这里做什么？
Come on, move.
来吧，动起来。
You're dream about America, that doesn't exist.
你对美国的梦想并不存在。
This is a dream.
这是一个梦。
Come on, boy.
来吧，男孩。
You're wrong.
你错了。
That's what they're telling me, Leo.
他们就是这么告诉我的，利奥。
At some point, I'm thinking, like, would be OK to go with them.
在某些时候，我想，和他们一起去也可以。
This is totally no life.
这根本就不是生活。
I guess it can't be safe for two unaccompanied women with small children to be traveling by car from Nairobi to Somalia.
我想，对于两名带着小孩的无人陪伴的妇女来说，从内罗毕开车前往索马里并不安全。
It can't be safe, right?
这不可能安全，对吧？
They're expecting everything.
他们期待一切。
They're expecting an extortion of property.
他们预计会遭到勒索财产。
They're expecting a rape, because there are gangs on the road that can rape women.
他们预计会遭到强奸，因为路上有可以强奸妇女的团伙。
And the gangs know that there are Somalis on the move, so they're somewhere on the road where there's no police inside.
这些团伙知道有索马里人在行动，所以他们在路上没有警察的地方。
So they can come and jump into buses, rape women, take their money.
这样他们就可以跳上公共汽车，强奸妇女，拿走她们的钱。
And the other thing that these families are fearing when they reach at the border between Kenya and Somalia, another chapter of danger begins, because it's Al-Shabaab that are lurking around the border.
当这些家庭到达肯尼亚和索马里边境时，他们担心的另一件事是，危险的新篇章开始了，因为青年党潜伏在边境周围。
And when you fall into the hands of Al-Shabaab, you disappear forever.
当你落入青年党手中时，你就永远消失了。
The other thing that I was also discussing with them about this seven-year-old and five-year-old kids, because these are the age that the Al-Shabaab really want to program the kids and teach them whatever ideologies they believe.
我还与他们讨论的另一件事是关于这些七岁和五岁的孩子，因为这些年龄段的青年党真正想对孩子们进行编程，并教给他们他们相信的任何意识形态。
And so yeah, the lady looked like she was so much worried for her kids than for herself.
是的，这位女士看起来更担心她的孩子而不是她自己。
Knowing this, these two ladies and the kids must go.
知道了这一点，这两位女士和孩子们就必须走了。
Wow.
哇。
Abdi Nor It's really.
阿卜迪·诺尔 确实如此。
So you've got a lot of things to think about, a lot of things to worry about.
所以你有很多事情要考虑，有很多事情要担心。
One night on the phone, Abdi asked me if I'm familiar with the migration of the wildebeest.
一天晚上，阿卜迪在电话里问我是否熟悉角马的迁徙。
Abdi wants to be clear he doesn't know about this, because he's African.
阿卜迪想澄清他并不知道这件事，因为他是非洲人。
He's a city kid.
他是一个城里孩子。
He's just seen it on Discovery Channel clips like everyone else.
他和其他人一样刚刚在探索频道的剪辑中看到过它。
Anyway, each year thousands and thousands of wildebeest trek to a river that they have to cross in order to graze on the other side.
不管怎样，每年都有成千上万的角马长途跋涉到一条河，它们必须穿过这条河才能在对岸吃草。
The river's infested with crocodiles, and not every wildebeest makes it.
这条河里鳄鱼出没，并不是所有角马都能成功。
But they all have to try.
但他们都必须尝试。
Abdi says he knows how they feel.
阿卜迪说他知道他们的感受。
Somalis are prey, he says.
他说，索马里人是猎物。
They're being hunted.
他们正在被追捕。
Each evening when I phoned Abdi, I was always concerned that one night, no one would answer, that he would have finally taken the advice of his neighbors, or been hauled off to the holding pens in Kasarani.
每天晚上，当我给阿卜迪打电话时，我总是担心有一天晚上没有人接听，担心他最终会听取邻居的建议，或者被拖到卡萨拉尼的拘留所。
But when he did pick up, often he wanted to talk about things that weren't related to the Kenyan police or Al-Shabaab.
但当他接电话时，他常常想谈论与肯尼亚警察或青年党无关的事情。
We talked about his favorite movies, Rambo, that movie, The Rock with Nicolas Cage, anything Schwarzenegger.
我们谈论了他最喜欢的电影，《第一滴血》，那部电影，尼古拉斯·凯奇主演的《岩石》，任何施瓦辛格的电影。
We talked about his friends in the good old days in Eastleigh when you could sit in a cafe and sip tea with camel milk.
我们谈论了他在伊斯特利的旧时光里的朋友，当时你可以坐在咖啡馆里喝着骆驼奶茶。
One thing I asked Abdi about, when people win the regular lottery, you always hear stories about how, all of a sudden, family members are really nice to them, how cousins they haven't spoken to in years start calling to say hi, asking for favors.
我问阿卜迪一件事，当人们中了普通彩票时，你总是会听到这样的故事：突然之间，家人对他们非常好，他们多年没有联系的表兄弟姐妹如何开始打电话打招呼，寻求帮助。
I wondered if this was the case with Abdi.
我想知道阿卜迪是否也是这种情况。
Here he was sitting in a slum with all these refugees who were in the same terrible situation, and now he had a ticket out.
他和所有处于同样可怕境地的难民坐在贫民窟里，现在他有一张出去的票。
Did people start treating him differently?
人们开始以不同的方式对待他吗？
Yes, Leo, especially the girls.
是的，狮子座，尤其是女孩们。
This is a very good question.
这是一个很好的问题。
Abdi's a practicing Muslim, and so are the women he hangs out with.
阿卜迪是一名虔诚的穆斯林，与他交往的女性也是如此。
So normally before, you could only visit them in a kind of formal courtship visit at their home-- no having girls over to his place, no hanging out in public.
所以以前，你通常只能去他们家进行正式的求爱拜访——不能让女孩去他家，也不能在公共场合闲逛。
The difference now, since I won the green card lottery, is that they are trying to come to my house.
现在不同的是，自从我赢得了绿卡彩票后，他们正试图来我家。
He's talking about before the police raids started, when life was relatively normal in Eastleigh.
他说的是警方突击搜查之前，伊斯特利的生活相对正常。
So I just hear someone coming up the stairs and knocking at my door and saying, hey, Abdi, how have you been?
所以我只听到有人走上楼梯，敲我的门，说，嘿，阿卜迪，你最近怎么样？
And it's a lady.
而且是一位女士。
And yeah, she sits right next to your bed, and it's all about the conversation.
是的，她就坐在你的床边，一切都是为了谈话。
She's trying to do anything to attract you with the sweet words.
她想尽一切办法用甜言蜜语来吸引你。
Hi.
你好。
Do you have a girlfriend?
你有女朋友吗？
When do you want to marry?
你想什么时候结婚？
What type of girls do you want?
你想要什么类型的女孩？
Now you're going to America, you need a wife.
现在你要去美国，你需要一个妻子。
When you go to America, please let me be the first person that you [INAUDIBLE], because I'm here, and I don't have a husband.
当你去美国时，请让我成为你[听不清]的第一个人，因为我在这里，而且我没有丈夫。
Are you thinking about any of these girls?
你在想这些女孩吗？
Maybe something could happen.
也许会发生什么事情。
Yes.
是的。
I really am attracted to one of these girls.
我真的被其中一个女孩所吸引。
She's really beautiful, cute.
她真的很漂亮，很可爱。
She's Somali, but she has finished high school in Nairobi.
她是索马里人，但在内罗毕完成了高中学业。
The good thing about her is that she speaks English.
她的优点是她会说英语。
She is really, I think, my type.
我想她确实是我喜欢的类型。
She likes to read a lot, you know?
她喜欢读书，你知道吗？
She has a different character.
她有不同的性格。
The rest of Somali girls are very shy, but this pretty girl she gives me all this confidence.
其他索马里女孩都很害羞，但这个漂亮的女孩给了我所有的信心。
And she allows me to go to her, and she allows me to hang out with her in downtown Nairobi, wherever possible.
她允许我去找她，她允许我尽可能在内罗毕市中心和她一起出去玩。
So yeah, I think I fall in love.
所以是的，我想我坠入爱河了。
Well, congratulations.
好吧，恭喜。
That's one piece of good news.
这是一个好消息。
Yeah.
是的。
But unfortunately for the last four weeks, we haven't seen each other.
但不幸的是，在过去的四个星期里，我们没有见面。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Leo Hornak May 1st, 82 days and counting.
Leo Hornak 5 月 1 日，还有 82 天，还在继续。
Abdi cautiously ventures out of the apartment building for the first time in weeks.
阿卜迪几周来第一次小心翼翼地走出公寓楼。
He heads downtown to central Nairobi where life is continuing as normal.
他前往市中心前往内罗毕市中心，那里的生活照常进行。
It's a stressful journey, but he's able to buy a couple of gallons of clean water and some cans of beans to bring home.
这是一次压力很大的旅程，但他能够买几加仑干净的水和一些罐装豆子带回家。
He says it's amazing how good these taste to him and Hassan.
他说这些对他和哈桑来说味道如此之好令人惊讶。
He tells me he's getting more and more worried about the paperwork he still has to get together for his interview-- his medical records and transcripts from his university.
他告诉我，他越来越担心面试时还需要准备的文件——他的病历和大学的成绩单。
And there's one piece of paper that terrifies him.
有一张纸让他感到害怕。
One of the US embassy requirements is to get a police certificate, something called a Certificate of Good Conduct.
美国大使馆的要求之一是获得无犯罪记录证明，即所谓的良好行为证书。
What this basically is is proof from Kenyan law enforcement that Abdi isn't a criminal.
这基本上是肯尼亚执法部门证明阿卜迪不是罪犯的证据。
Abdi doesn't have a record, so this shouldn't be a big deal, except for the place he has to go to get the official certificate-- the headquarters of the Kenyan police.
阿卜迪没有记录，所以这应该没什么大不了的，除了他必须去获得官方证明的地方——肯尼亚警察总部。
So that scares you a lot.
所以这让你很害怕。
Thousands of Somalis are being held, as we speak.
就在我们发言时，数千名索马里人被关押。
And they are waiting for their return to Somalia, or some of them are waiting for their return to the camps.
他们正在等待返回索马里，或者其中一些人正在等待返回营地。
So while I'm thinking of jumping into a bus and headed to headquarters, stepping in there and saying, hey, guys, I need a police letter, my heart is already pounding.
因此，当我考虑跳上公共汽车前往总部时，走进去说，嘿，伙计们，我需要一封警方信函，我的心已经在狂跳。
For weeks, Abdi had been talking to me about this, telling me how worried he was about having to go into the belly of the beast.
几个星期以来，阿卜迪一直在和我谈论这件事，告诉我他对不得不进入野兽的肚子是多么担心。
Finally, on a Tuesday morning in May, 77 days before his interview, he gets up early, gets together every ID he has to prove he's a legal refugee, says goodbye to Hassan, and takes a bus to police headquarters.
最后，在五月的一个星期二早上，也就是接受面谈的前 77 天，他早早起床，收集了所有证明自己是合法难民的身份证件，告别了哈桑，然后乘公共汽车前往警察总部。
He walks in, waits for his name to be called, and walks up to the window where he faces a Kenyan police officer.
他走进去，等待叫到他的名字，然后走到窗前，面对着一名肯尼亚警察。
And what he encounters is not brutal police tactics, but bureaucracy.
而他遇到的并不是警察的残酷手段，而是官僚主义。
He was telling me, there's nothing that I can do but take your paperwork and send it to UNSCR.
他告诉我，我无能为力，只能把你的文件发送给联合国安理会。
And then I have to wait for that to come back to me.
然后我必须等待它回到我身边。
Even it can take more than five months, he tells me.
他告诉我，即使这可能需要五个多月的时间。
Five months-- way too long for Abdi to have it in time for his interview on July 22nd.
五个月——对于阿卜迪来说，时间太长了，无法赶上 7 月 22 日的面试。
The guy there was not friendly.
那里的那个人并不友好。
He was really, really fierce.
他真的非常非常凶猛。
And I was frozen with fear.
我吓得浑身僵硬。
And finally I tell him, wait, just listen to me, gentleman.
最后我告诉他，等等，听我说，先生。
You're talking about five months, sir, but that's not what I'm talking about.
先生，你说的是五个月，但这不是我说的。
If I don't get this police certificate, they will not give me or issue a visa for me, all right?
如果我拿不到这份无犯罪记录证明，他们就不会给我或给我签发签证，好吗？
So please, is it possible?
所以请问可以吗？
And he was telling me, there's nothing that I can do for you.
他告诉我，我无能为力。
It's going to take more than five months.
需要五个多月的时间。
There's no possibility of you going into a later position with the US Embassy, is there?
你不可能再在美国大使馆担任更高的职位，是吗？
It doesn't happen.
它不会发生。
If you delay your interview, that's the end of it.
如果你推迟面试，那就结束了。
Some other people will grab the visa.
其他一些人会获得签证。
Yeah.
是的。
Then it's going to be a doom.
那么这将是一个厄运。
It's going to be a doom, Abdi says.
阿卜迪说，这将是一场厄运。
And I felt that, too.
我也有这样的感觉。
Up to this point, it seemed like if Abdi could just hold on long enough to get to his embassy interview, he'd make it to America.
到目前为止，如果阿卜迪能坚持足够长的时间去参加大使馆面试，他似乎就能到达美国。
Now, all bets were off.
现在，所有的赌注都落空了。
Now, unless this changed, there was no way.
现在，除非改变这一点，否则没有办法。
Leo Hornak.
利奥·霍纳克.
Abdi decides to keep going back to police headquarters every few weeks, despite the risk, despite how frightening it is, to see if one time maybe he gets a different answer.
阿卜迪决定每隔几周就回到警察总部，尽管有风险，尽管有多么可怕，看看是否有一次他会得到不同的答案。
What happens next in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续时，芝加哥公共广播电台接下来会发生什么。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, we're replaying the story of Abdi Nor, just three weeks after the ceremony where he finally became a US citizen.
今天，在我们的节目中，我们将重播阿卜迪·诺尔 (Abdi Nor) 的故事，就在他最终成为美国公民的仪式举行三周后。
Abdi's a Somali refugee, who escaped to Kenya.
阿卜迪是一名逃往肯尼亚的索马里难民。
And then he won what amounts to a golden ticket to move to the United States and become an American, but only if he's able to make it to an interview at the US embassy, with all the right paperwork, all done perfectly, so he can cash in that golden ticket.
然后，他赢得了一张移居美国并成为美国人的金票，但前提是他能够参加美国大使馆的面试，并准备好所有正确的文件，一切都做得很完美，这样他就可以兑现这张金票。
The United Nations has reported that the number of people around the world displaced from their homes because of conflict and persecution is at an all time high.
联合国报告称，世界各地因冲突和迫害而流离失所的人数达到历史最高水平。
It's over 70 million people, the largest number the UN has ever recorded.
人口超过 7000 万人，是联合国有记录以来的最大数字。
Abdi, of course, is one of those people.
阿卜迪当然是其中之一。
He's Muslim, from a country with a proven history of terrorism.
他是穆斯林，来自一个有着恐怖主义历史的国家。
The story all happened back in 2013, but today, under President Trump's travel ban, a Somali like Abdi would not be allowed a visa to immigrate into the United States.
故事都发生在 2013 年，但今天，根据特朗普总统的旅行禁令，像阿卜迪这样的索马里人将无法获得移民美国的签证。
Anyway, Leo Hornak continues our story.
不管怎样，利奥·霍纳克继续我们的故事。
May 12th, T minus 71 days to Abdi's embassy interview.
5月12日，距离阿卜迪大使馆面谈还有差71天。
Abdi gets on a bus home from school and, this time, runs into another danger-- not the police, not Al-Shabaab themselves, but the fear of Al-Shabaab.
阿卜迪从学校坐公交车回家，这一次，他遇到了另一个危险——不是警察，不是青年党本身，而是青年党的恐惧。
The bus is so crowded with people.
公共汽车上挤满了人。
And there are these two ladies watching me.
这两位女士正在注视着我。
Abdi looks around and realizes he's the only Somali.
阿卜迪环顾四周，意识到他是唯一的索马里人。
People can tell.
人们可以说出来。
Somalis look different.
索马里人看起来不一样。
And a Somali with a backpack on, on a public bus?
公共巴士上背着背包的索马里人？
He knows what people are thinking.
他知道人们在想什么。
They're watching my hands.
他们在看着我的手。
They're thinking, like, when is this guy putting his hand into that bag and start to blow up?
他们在想，这个家伙什么时候把手伸进袋子里开始爆炸？
This lady then started shouting at the driver, have you made sure there's no bomb in that bag?
这位女士然后开始对司机大喊，你确定袋子里没有炸弹吗？
I had to fight back.
我不得不反击。
And I say, listen, lady, wait a minute.
我说，听着，女士，等一下。
I'm not what you think I am, you know?
我不是你想象的那样，你知道吗？
No, there's no bomb here.
不，这里没有炸弹。
I'm not one of those people.
我不是那些人中的一员。
I'm a student, and I'm carrying my books.
我是一名学生，我带着我的书。
It's quite embarrassing.
实在是太尴尬了。
And at the same time I feel fear, because everyone in there had very cautious eyes on me.
同时我也感到害怕，因为那里的每个人都用非常谨慎的目光看着我。
In Kenya, because people don't trust the police, mobs will take justice into their own hands.
在肯尼亚，由于人们不信任警察，暴民就会将正义掌握在自己手中。
For example, if a shopkeeper yells "thief" on the street, strangers might grab the person and beat them.
例如，如果店主在街上大喊“小偷”，陌生人可能会抓住这个人并殴打他。
And it's not unheard of for people to die this way.
人们以这种方式死去并非闻所未闻。
A man in the back of the bus chimes in.
公交车后座的一名男子插话道。
Why is he there?
他为什么在那里？
He shouts, kick him out.
他大喊，把他赶出去。
I tried as much as I can to calm them down.
我尽力让他们平静下来。
And they were ignoring me.
他们无视我。
And then the driver turns his head and tells me, boy, step out of my car.
然后司机转过头告诉我，孩子，下车吧。
All right, call the police.
好吧，报警吧。
And you know, we weren't in Little Mogadishu.
你知道，我们不在小摩加迪沙。
We weren't in downtown.
我们当时不在市中心。
We were in the middle.
我们在中间。
And in the middle, what I mean in the middle, is exactly the Bengali police station.
中间，我的意思是中间，正是孟加拉警察局。
This is the police station Somali terrorists bombed two weeks earlier.
这是两周前索马里恐怖分子轰炸的警察局。
What do you think?
你怎么认为？
If they kick me out there with a bag standing there near the police station, what's going to happen?
如果他们把我踢到警察局附近，手里还拿着一个袋子，会发生什么？
They can shoot me to death.
他们可以开枪打死我。
I said to the driver, wait a minute.
我对司机说，等一下。
You want to know what's in here?
你想知道这里有什么吗？
And then I had to unzip my bag and bring everything out-- the books, the papers.
然后我必须拉开包的拉链，把所有东西都拿出来——书、报纸。
Showed him the pen, the ID, student ID.
给他看了笔、身份证、学生证。
Everything, I brought out.
所有的东西，我都拿出来了。
And then I hang the bag upside down and showed him.
然后我把袋子倒挂起来给他看。
Do you see anything in there?
你看到里面有什么东西吗？
And then it looked like the driver was kind of satisfied.
然后看起来司机有点满意。
He looked straight, and he drove the car a little bit faster.
他目光直视，将车开得更快了一些。
Four days later, May 16th, 67 days to the interview, Al-Shabaab blows up two buses.
四天后，即 5 月 16 日，距离采访还有 67 天，青年党炸毁了两辆公共汽车。
It's a big deal.
这是一件大事。
They were in a Central Market-- at least 12 dead, more than 70 injured.
他们在中央市场——至少 12 人死亡，70 多人受伤。
Abdi is sure the police will be out in force, and he hunkers down at home for a while.
阿卜迪确信警察会出动，所以他在家里蹲了一段时间。
Leo, it's good.
利奥，这很好。
How are you?
你好吗？
Leo Nornak Yeah, not too bad at all.
Leo Nornak 是的，一点也不坏。
Could you tell me the date?
你能告诉我日期吗？
And then we can start.
然后我们就可以开始了。
It's May 17, 2014.
现在是 2014 年 5 月 17 日。
And last night after that explosion, there was a massive operation in Little Mogadishu.
昨晚爆炸发生后，小摩加迪沙发生了大规模行动。
They've knocked at our house.
他们敲了我们的房子。
It was like 2:00 last night.
昨晚好像是2:00。
We haven't opened.
我们还没有开业。
They just kept knocking.
他们只是不停地敲门。
And they were thinking, like, there's nobody here.
他们在想，这里没有人。
And then they have moved.
然后他们就搬走了。
So hang on.
所以坚持住。
So they kind of-- if they just don't get any answer, then they think it's empty?
所以他们有点——如果他们没有得到任何答案，那么他们就会认为它是空的？
Yes.
是的。
The thing is that Eastleigh is not like before.
问题是伊斯特利不再像以前那样了。
Now, there are no more people at all.
现在，根本就没有人了。
80% have gone.
80%已经走了。
That's what I think.
我就是这么认为的。
It was like 50% before.
以前好像是50%。
Now, it's 80%.
现在，是80%。
Most buildings are empty.
大多数建筑物都是空的。
So these days when they keep knocking and nobody's opening, they're thinking, like, people here have moved.
所以这些天，当他们不断敲门却没有人开门时，他们就会想，这里的人们已经搬走了。
So yes, that's what we did last night.
是的，这就是我们昨晚所做的。
We just-- none of us opened.
我们只是——我们都没有打开。
There was no light in our house.
我们家没有灯。
Because these guys, they're listening to the movements.
因为这些家伙，他们正在听动静。
They're watching if there's any movement in the windows.
他们正在观察窗户里是否有任何动静。
They are seeing if there's a light, or something.
他们正在查看是否有光或其他东西。
Just something like that shows them there's a life here.
正是这样的事情向他们表明这里有生命。
So that's what we do.
这就是我们所做的。
We don't show there's a life.
我们没有表现出有生命。
It's totally blackout.
完全停电了
Good evening, Leo.
晚上好，利奥。
Leo Nornak Hey, Abdi.
里奥·诺纳克 嘿，阿卜迪。
How are you?
你好吗？
Good.
好的。
I'm pleased to hear it.
我很高兴听到这个消息。
I know that you had a tough, a very difficult evening.
我知道你度过了一个艰难、非常艰难的夜晚。
Do you want to say what the date is and tell me what happened?
你想告诉我日期是什么并告诉我发生了什么吗？
May 19.
5 月 19 日。
Now the time is 8:45.
现在时间是8点45分。
All I can say, Leo, is that I haven't slept for the last, I can say, 30 hours or more, because the police raid has increased.
我只能说，Leo，我已经连续 30 个小时或更长时间没有睡觉了，因为警方的突击搜查力度加大了。
They have come and taken so many people from our neighborhood.
他们来了，带走了我们附近的很多人。
And we have realized that this is not the ordinary police.
我们已经意识到这不是普通的警察。
They have changed something.
他们改变了一些东西。
These guys, they don't negotiate on cash.
这些家伙，他们不会就现金进行谈判。
Everything has changed.
一切都变了。
They're not going into any negotiation at all.
他们根本不会进行任何谈判。
They throw you in the back of their trucks and drive away.
他们把你扔到卡车后面然后开走。
So many, so many refugees for the last--
这么多、这么多的难民最后——
And how are you finding this out?
你是如何发现这一点的？
How do you know this?
你怎么知道这个？
Well, I told you already about that girl.
好吧，我已经告诉过你关于那个女孩的事了。
She's my-- I can say she's my girlfriend now, but she has a Kenyan national ID.
她是我的——我现在可以说她是我的女朋友，但她有肯尼亚国民身份证。
The text message she sent me here, it says, hey, they have been with me for, like, 15 minutes, where she was just sleeping, her room.
她发给我的短信上写着，嘿，他们已经陪了我大概 15 分钟了，她刚刚在她的房间里睡觉。
And one of them said, you are not supposed to be a Somali.
其中一人说，你不应该是索马里人。
You're a Kenyan, so you can be my wife.
你是肯尼亚人，所以你可以成为我的妻子。
That's one of the policeman, what one of the policeman said when she showed them her Kenyan national ID.
这是其中一名警察，其中一名警察向他们出示她的肯尼亚身份证时说的话。
I'm taking all the Somalis, so you would be lonely here.
我要带走所有索马里人，所以你在这里会很孤独。
Just come, and you will be safe.
来吧，你就会安全的。
You will live with me.
你将和我住在一起。
And she said, please leave me alone.
她说，请别打扰我。
They took everyone else in the compound where she lived who had a refugee ID.
他们带走了她居住的院子里所有持有难民身份证的人。
She lived with other girls.
她和其他女孩住在一起。
And the other girls don't have the national ID, so they forced the girls out.
而其他女孩没有身份证，所以他们把女孩赶了出去。
They have finally forced the girls out.
他们终于把女孩们赶了出来。
I tried to confirm this with his girlfriend, but she didn't want to talk to me about it.
我试图向他的女朋友确认这一点，但她不想和我谈论这件事。
Abdi says the police took her roommates that night, but left her behind.
阿卜迪说，那天晚上警察带走了她的室友，但把她留在了后面。
So what?
所以呢？
She's alone now?
她现在一个人吗？
What's the situation?
什么情况？
She is alone, yes.
她是一个人，是的。
So Leo, yes, that last night, Hassan and I, we didn't know where to go.
所以利奥，是的，昨晚，哈桑和我，我们不知道该去哪里。
We could hear all those sounds-- the knob of our gate, the shouts, the bullets that were being fired into the doors of people.
我们可以听到所有这些声音——大门的把手、喊叫声、射向人们门的子弹。
At one moment I was thinking, like, go under your bed.
有一刻我在想，比如，钻到你的床底下去。
And then a moment, I was thinking like, if they find you here, they're going to kill you.
然后有那么一刻，我在想，如果他们发现你在这里，他们就会杀了你。
I was like, this is-- I don't know.
我当时想，这是——我不知道。
I've never been in such a stressful situation.
我从来没有经历过如此紧张的情况。
So if you were to look outside the building right now, what would you see?
那么，如果您现在向建筑物外面看，您会看到什么？
Leo, to be honest-- Leo-- Leo Nornak I'm not asking you to.
利奥，说实话——利奥——利奥·诺纳克，我并不是要求你这样做。
I know it's dangerous, but just help me imagine.
我知道这很危险，但请帮我想象一下。
Leo, to be honest, if I just look through my window, there's nothing that I can see, I'm telling you, there's nothing that I can see.
里奥，说实话，如果我只是透过窗户看，我什么也看不见，我告诉你，我什么也看不见。
All the lights are off.
所有的灯都灭了。
Even there's no street light here now.
甚至现在这里连路灯都没有了。
It's totally, totally dark.
天完全黑了。
There's only this light coming from the laptop.
只有笔记本电脑发出这种光。
We have to put lots of things on the windows so that they cannot even see-- that's what I'm doing right now-- so that they cannot even see the light from my laptop.
我们必须在窗户上放很多东西，这样他们就看不到——这就是我现在正在做的——这样他们甚至看不到我笔记本电脑发出的光。
But Leo, I don't know.
但利奥，我不知道。
I don't know why they come midnight.
我不知道他们为什么半夜来。
Why is that?
这是为什么？
Because they don't want us to go to sleep?
因为他们不想让我们睡觉？
Why don't they come during the day?
他们为什么白天不来？
They usually come the same time, 2:30, 2:30, you know?
他们通常在同一时间来，2:30、2:30，你知道吗？
And that's exactly when Somali women and children are all asleep and that these guys are coming.
就在索马里妇女和儿童都睡着的时候，这些家伙就来了。
They kick the door open, telling you, wake up, terrorist.
他们把门踢开，告诉你，醒醒，恐怖分子。
Wake up.
醒来吧。
Why are you sleeping?
你为什么要睡觉？
They're coming back every night.
他们每天晚上都会回来。
What the hell is going on?
到底是怎么回事？
Why don't they-- at least if they're doing an operation, why don't they come at one time and finish the hell the whole thing?
他们为什么不——至少如果他们正在做一项手术，为什么他们不一次性来完成整件事呢？
They're killing us.
他们正在杀了我们。
They're killing us by fearing.
他们因恐惧而杀死我们。
In this situation, it must be easy for Al-Shabaab to get supporters, I guess-- people who have maybe a little bit of sympathy with their ideas.
在这种情况下，我想青年党一定很容易获得支持者——那些可能对他们的想法有一点同情的人。
Did you read or did you hear about the young men who were deported from Kenya to Somalia have already joined Al-Shabaab?
您是否读过或听说过从肯尼亚被驱逐到索马里的年轻人已经加入青年党的消息？
No, I didn't see that.
不，我没有看到。
Abdi Nor They are coming from the border already, attacking Kenya as revenge, because the Kenyans have really mistreated so many women, and children, and so many young men.
阿卜迪·诺尔 他们已经从边境过来，攻击肯尼亚作为报复，因为肯尼亚人确实虐待了如此多的妇女、儿童和年轻人。
Kenya is really giving a very good opportunity to these Al-Shabaab guys, because they are getting what they wanted.
肯尼亚确实为这些青年党提供了一个非常好的机会，因为他们正在得到他们想要的东西。
They are getting the young men that they were looking for.
他们正在寻找他们正在寻找的年轻人。
Yeah.
是的。
Well, I wish I could say more, but I think there's nothing more I can say right now.
好吧，我希望我能说更多，但我想现在我没什么可说的了。
I know all I need is some sleep.
我知道我需要的只是睡觉。
I don't know if you can feel that, but my eyes now--
我不知道你是否能感觉到，但我的眼睛现在——
I can.
我可以。
I can.
我可以。
I can hear you feel very stressed.
我听得出你感到压力很大。
I hope you get some sleep and keep safe as well, as safe as you can with your good luck, I mean.
我希望你能睡个好觉并保持安全，我的意思是，祝你好运，尽可能安全。
Days go by.
日子一天天过去。
Abdi and Hassan do their best to keep their spirits up and entertain themselves.
阿卜迪和哈桑尽力保持精神振奋并自娱自乐。
They read books.
他们读书。
They watch Lost and Walking Dead.
他们看《迷失》和《行尸走肉》。
It's one of the weird quirks of Eastleigh that, even if food runs short, you can still have good broadband internet.
伊斯特利的怪癖之一是，即使食物短缺，你仍然可以使用良好的宽带互联网。
They even build makeshift barbells out of old milk cans they've filled with sand and stones and start working out.
他们甚至用装满沙子和石头的旧牛奶罐制作临时杠铃，然后开始锻炼。
1, 2, 3.
1、2、3。
Leo Hornak And they do one of Abdi's favorite things.
Leo Hornak 他们做了 Abdi 最喜欢的事情之一。
Listen to music.
听音乐。
[MUSIC - "CARELESS WHISPER" BY GEORGE MICHAEL]
[音乐 - 乔治·迈克尔的《粗心低语》]
Back in Somalia, if Al-Shabaab caught you with MP3s on your phone, they would flog you.
回到索马里，如果青年党发现你的手机上有 MP3，他们就会鞭打你。
Or they could even kill you for it.
或者他们甚至可能因此杀了你。
They believe most music is sinful.
他们认为大多数音乐都是有罪的。
But Abdi always took a risk.
但阿卜迪总是冒险。
He kept his music collection on a secret SIM card hidden under the mattress.
他将自己的音乐收藏保存在一张隐藏在床垫下的秘密 SIM 卡上。
This song, called "Careless Whisper," give me some good memories.
这首歌叫《Careless Whisper》，给我留下了美好的回忆。
Because in Somalia, we really had very few Western songs.
因为在索马里，我们的西方歌曲确实很少。
And there was one time that they got this song and made it into Somali.
有一次他们得到了这首歌并将其制作成索马里语。
They translated it.
他们翻译了它。
Wow.
哇。
Abdi Nor Yeah, yeah.
阿卜迪·诺尔 是的，是的。
I would love to play you that.
我很想和你玩那个。
I don't know if it-- let me think where we can get it.
我不知道是否可以——让我想想我们可以从哪里得到它。
Yeah.
是的。
[MUSIC - "CARELESS WHISPER" BY MUKTAR IDI RAMADAN]
[音乐 - MUKTAR IDI RAMADAN 的“粗心耳语”]
To be very honest, I have so many songs on my phone, but most of them are very, very old.
说实话，我手机里有很多歌，但大部分都是非常非常老的歌。
I really enjoy them.
我真的很喜欢它们。
Because I remember my father and the beautiful days in Somalia, he used to play these songs.
因为我记得我的父亲和在索马里的美好时光，他过去常常演奏这些歌曲。
Because he had this big radio.
因为他有这么大的收音机。
I'm talking about the '90s, when I was a pretty young guy.
我说的是 90 年代，当时我还是个很年轻的人。
And my father used to sit like this.
我父亲以前也是这样坐着的。
He's leaning against the wall.
他靠在墙上。
His big radio was right next to him.
他的大收音机就在他旁边。
And next to him is a flask full of hot tea with his khat.
他旁边有一瓶热茶和他的卡塔叶。
And the khat is the small leaves that Somalis eat as a stimulant.
阿拉伯茶是索马里人作为兴奋剂食用的小叶子。
And next to him is also a bowl full of milk.
而他的旁边，还放着一碗牛奶。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
My father, when he has all that stuff, he's in heaven.
我的父亲，当他拥有所有这些东西时，他就像在天堂一样。
He's smiling.
他在微笑。
He gets his finger on the tape, and he makes us quiet.
他把手指放在磁带上，让我们安静下来。
He says, shut up, and just enjoy.
他说，闭嘴，享受吧。
During all this, Abdi did leave the house sometimes, but only for a very specific reason-- either to go to an important class he couldn't miss, or to go to the police headquarters and try his luck again getting the certificate he needs for his interview.
在这整个过程中，阿卜迪确实有时会离开家，但只是出于一个非常具体的原因——要么去参加他不能错过的重要课程，要么去警察总部碰碰运气，拿到面试所需的证书。
Then on May 29th, with 54 days and counting, Abdi sends me this recording.
然后在 5 月 29 日，还有 54 天，阿卜迪向我发送了这段录音。
Hi, this is Abdi.
嗨，这是阿卜迪。
I have great news to declare, so let me just-- I'm so excited.
我有好消息要宣布，所以让我——我很兴奋。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
I'm really different today.
我今天真的不一样了。
My police clearance is done.
我的警察许可已经完成。
Let me say that again.
让我再说一遍。
My police clearance is done.
我的警察许可已经完成。
I'm looking at my hand, fingers.
我看着我的手，手指。
They're all black, because I'm still wearing the black ink for the fingerprints.
它们都是黑色的，因为我仍然戴着黑色墨水作为指纹。
And I'm not sorry about it.
我对此并不感到遗憾。
I smell the US visa.
我闻到了美国签证的味道。
I smell it.
我闻到了。
I smell it.
我闻到了。
I see July 22 coming.
我预计 7 月 22 日即将到来。
This was the only problem.
这是唯一的问题。
I dealt with it.
我处理了。
It's done.
完成了。
At this point, Abdi's a shoo-in.
在这一点上，阿卜迪稳操胜券。
It's almost hard to believe after all the obstacles.
在经历了所有的障碍之后，这几乎令人难以置信。
But he calls up the embassy, talks through all the paperwork, and they tell him he's good to go.
但他打电话给大使馆，讨论了所有的文件，他们告诉他可以走了。
And they'll see him on the 22nd.
他们将于 22 日见到他。
And his tune on our nightly phone calls totally changes, from this--
他对我们每晚电话的语气完全改变了，从此——
My heart broke, you know?
我的心碎了你知道吗？
I'm feeling like, OK, you're not going to make it.
我感觉，好吧，你不会成功的。
--to this.
——对此。
Abdi Nor Now I'm in love with the American culture.
Abdi Nor 现在我爱上了美国文化。
I'm in love with their beautiful roads and streets, houses.
我爱上了他们美丽的道路、街道和房屋。
I'm in love with everything, everything in the United States that's going on.
我爱上了美国正在发生的一切。
Do you sometimes worry that maybe you're so in love with this place that it might disappoint you when you reach there?
有时你是否担心，也许你是如此热爱这个地方，以至于当你到达那里时它可能会让你失望？
Many people who reach America have a very tough time.
许多到达美国的人都经历了一段非常艰难的时期。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
No, I don't worry about that, because I know whatever I have been through, they've never been through.
不，我不担心这个，因为我知道无论我经历过什么，他们都没有经历过。
I've been a refugee.
我曾经是一名难民。
I've been hiding from police.
我一直在躲避警察。
I've been hiding from Shabaab.
我一直在躲避青年党。
I've been hiding from so many armed groups.
我一直在躲避这么多武装团体。
I have had enough trouble.
我已经受够了麻烦了。
I have had enough disappointment.
我已经受够失望了。
America is an opportunity, so I'll take my chances.
美国是一个机会，所以我会抓住机会。
And America is an opportunity not just for Abdi, but his whole family.
美国不仅对阿卜迪来说是一个机会，对他的整个家庭来说也是一个机会。
My mother is in Somalia.
我的母亲在索马里。
She's in Mogadishu, the most dangerous city in the world.
她在世界上最危险的城市摩加迪沙。
And so every call that's coming from Mogadishu, I pick up really with shaky hands.
因此，每次从摩加迪沙打来的电话，我都会用颤抖的双手接听。
Abdi hasn't seen his mother in more than three years.
阿卜迪已经三年多没有见到他的母亲了。
She lives in a tiny, rundown shack made of corrugated tin.
她住在一间用瓦楞铁皮搭建的又小又破的小屋里。
And she doesn't always have access to enough food or clean water.
她并不总是能够获得足够的食物或干净的水。
If Abdi gets to America, he hopes he can make some money.
如果阿卜迪到了美国，他希望能赚点钱。
And even if he can't protect her from violence, he can at least help her to get a better place with clean water and three meals a day.
即使他不能保护她免受暴力，他至少可以帮助她找到一个更好的地方，有干净的水和一日三餐。
I spoke to my mother yesterday evening.
昨天晚上我和妈妈说话了。
She asked, boy, when are you going out of that country?
她问，孩子，你什么时候离开那个国家？
And I said, mom, I've got 52 days.
我说，妈妈，我还有 52 天。
52 days.
52天。
I need your prayers.
我需要你的祈祷。
And she said, oh, my god, he's got 52 days.
她说，天啊，他还有 52 天的时间。
I'm praying for you, boy.
我在为你祈祷，孩子。
And I know, like I am right now, she's counting the days.
我知道，就像我现在一样，她正在数着日子过。
It's going to be something that will make her proud, that will make her survive.
这会让她感到自豪，让她活下去。
She's really sending all her prayers towards me.
她真的把所有的祈祷都寄给了我。
Abdi's older brother, Hassan, has also applied for the visa lottery.
阿卜迪的哥哥哈桑也申请了签证抽签。
Like Abdi, he's worked for years on his English.
和阿卜迪一样，他也花了很多年的时间来学习英语。
He came to Kenya years before Abdi.
他比阿卜迪早几年来到肯尼亚。
Now he's getting ready to live alone again.
现在他正准备再次独自生活。
Hassan, is there a part of you that thinks, just a little part of you that is a bit jealous about Abdi?
哈桑，你的内心是否有一部分，只是你的一小部分，对阿卜迪有点嫉妒？
Because you both worked hard.
因为你们俩都很努力。
And Abdi has got this not through hard work, but by luck.
而阿卜迪的这一成就并非靠努力，而是靠运气。
Actually, if I tell you, I don't have the least jealousy at all.
事实上，如果我告诉你，我一点也没有嫉妒心。
If we get two of us visa to get out here, it would even be better.
如果我们两个人能拿到签证就更好了。
But if someone told me right now, there is one visa, which one of you will take?
但如果现在有人告诉我，只有一种签证，你们会选择哪一种？
I would say Abdi, because he's new to this country.
我会说阿卜迪，因为他是这个国家的新人。
And I know how we are so fearful at night.
我知道我们在晚上是多么的害怕。
And I know how he can't sleep at night.
我也知道他晚上怎么睡不着觉。
For him to get visa is my biggest pleasure.
他能拿到签证是我最大的荣幸。
Yeah, there's luck there, but luck can be fair.
是的，这里面有运气，但运气是公平的。
June 4th, 48 days and counting.
6 月 4 日，还有 48 天。
Abdi goes into the stairwell to use the bathroom and finds a police officer standing there, who calls for backup.
阿卜迪走进楼梯间去洗手间，发现一名警察站在那里，呼叫支援。
The officer doesn't ask for a bribe.
该官员不会索要贿赂。
He lets Abdi go.
他让阿卜迪走了。
Abdi has no idea why.
阿卜迪不知道为什么。
June 8th, 44 days to go.
6月8日，还有44天。
Abdi tells me, apparently the police have started raiding during the day, which is a change.
阿卜迪告诉我，显然警察在白天开始突击搜查，这是一个变化。
He avoided them because he was at class.
他避开他们，因为他正在上课。
June 15th, 37 days to go.
6月15日，还有37天。
Abdi hears on the radio that dozens of masked Al-Shabaab gunmen bombed the police station, stole its weapons, and went on a rampage in a town on the coast, killing at least 48 people.
阿卜迪在广播中听到，数十名蒙面青年党枪手轰炸了警察局，偷走了警察局的武器，并在沿海一个城镇横冲直撞，造成至少 48 人死亡。
Abdi and Hassan brace for more police raids.
阿卜迪和哈桑准备迎接更多的警察突袭。
July 7th, 15 days to go.
7月7日，还有15天。
Leo, I'm telling you, they have chased me with machetes, with stones.
利奥，我告诉你，他们用砍刀、石头追赶我。
Abdi, you're kidding.
阿卜迪，你开玩笑吧。
Abdi Nor Yeah, it was only 12 hours ago.
Abdi Nor 是的，那只是 12 小时前。
When Abdi and I speak, he's shaken up.
当阿卜迪和我说话时，他很震惊。
He says he just tried to visit the mosque for the first time in weeks.
他说他只是几周来第一次尝试参观这座清真寺。
It's right down the block.
它就在街区的正下方。
I was like only 10 steps away from my house, and then there's this, like, 50 armed young men.
我距离我家只有 10 步之遥，然后就有 50 名武装年轻人。
They were armed with machetes and with rocks in their hands.
他们手持砍刀，手里拿着石头。
And they started chasing me and throwing those stones.
他们开始追我并扔那些石头。
And then I started running towards the mosque.
然后我开始跑向清真寺。
The mob was a bunch of Kenyans attacking Somalis at random on the streets.
这群暴徒是一群肯尼亚人，他们在街上随意袭击索马里人。
Yeah, they caught up with us.
是的，他们追上了我们。
They were beating these guys, and I couldn't look back.
他们正在殴打这些家伙，我无法回头。
Oh, no. Abdi Nor I threw myself-- I threw myself into the mosque, and then somebody closed the gate.
哦，不。阿卜迪·诺尔（Abdi Nor）我投身——我投身进清真寺，然后有人关上了门。
And the sheikh, clerk, he was like, please calm down.
酋长、职员，他说，请冷静下来。
If these people want to kill us, I think we will all go to heaven.
如果这些人想杀了我们，我想我们都会上天堂。
Because Allah says, if we die in the mosque, that's it.
因为安拉说，如果我们死在清真寺里，就这样了。
We're going straight to the heaven.
我们将直接前往天堂。
Well, did you expect to die?
嗯，你想过死吗？
Abdi Nor I did.
阿卜迪 我也没有。
July 17th, five days to go.
7月17日，还有五天。
The woman sending him money from America wires cash for his interview fee-- $320.
那位女士从美国给他汇钱，支付他的面试费——320 美元。
And then finally, July 21st, one day to go.
最后，7 月 21 日，只剩下最后一天了。
It's actually not days.
其实不是几天。
It's now hours left to my interview.
现在距离我的面试还剩几个小时。
10 hours and 53 minutes, to be precise.
准确地说，是10小时53分钟。
It's at 7:30 tomorrow morning.
明天早上 7 点 30 分。
I'm not going to bed anymore.
我不会再去睡觉了。
I'm not going to sleep.
我不打算睡觉。
I am sure about that.
我对此确信无疑。
Tomorrow is going to change my life.
明天将改变我的生活。
It's going to change my life to be the happiest person on Earth.
这将改变我的生活，成为地球上最幸福的人。
It's going to change my life to be the most devastated man on Earth.
这将改变我的生活，成为地球上最受打击的人。
So it's this too.
所以也是这个。
Tomorrow night, I'm coming back to this home, breaking everything, smashing everything right here, because I'm happy or I'm angry.
明天晚上，我会回到这个家，打破一切，砸碎这里的一切，因为我高兴或生气。
In both situations, I'll break these things, I know.
我知道，在这两种情况下，我都会打破这些东西。
I will just give a punch into my laptop.
我只会对着我的笔记本电脑打一拳。
I have to say, Abdi, I'm really excited for you.
我不得不说，阿卜迪，我真的为你感到兴奋。
I'm just wishing you good luck with all my heart.
我只是全心全意地祝你好运。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Leo Nornak I'm going to leave you and let you prepare, and can't wait to speak tomorrow.
Leo Nornak 我要离开你了，让你做好准备，我迫不及待地想明天发言。
I wish I will talk to you smiling, not really have that--
我希望我能微笑着和你说话，而不是真的——
I think you will be smiling.
我想你会微笑的。
That's what I expect.
这就是我所期望的。
OK, so while I was brushing my teeth this morning, I got a text message, and it was from Abdi.
好吧，今天早上我刷牙的时候，我收到一条短信，是阿卜迪发来的。
Hi, very bad news.
嗨，非常坏消息。
They gave me a red paper that said visa rejected.
他们给了我一张红纸，上面写着签证被拒绝。
And yeah, we text messaged backwards and forwards.
是的，我们来回发短信。
And the last message he sent to me, which was a few hours ago, was, this is my worst day on Earth.
几个小时前，他发给我的最后一条信息是，这是我在地球上最糟糕的一天。
I couldn't get hold of Abdi for a day.
我一天都联系不到阿卜迪。
When I finally did talk to him, he walked me through what happened.
当我最终与他交谈时，他向我讲述了发生的事情。
Abdi arrived hours early.
阿卜迪提前几个小时到达。
The waiting room was filled with other lottery winners.
等候室里挤满了其他彩票中奖者。
One by one, they were called in, and one by one, Abdi says, they came out grinning.
阿卜迪说，他们一一被叫进来，一一笑着出来。
Then Abdi's number was called.
然后就拨通了阿卜迪的电话。
This was it, window 9.
就是这样，9号窗口。
And there was this American lady.
还有一位美国女士。
She was a black American, to be honest.
老实说，她是一名美国黑人。
I was really happy, because somebody already told me that the ladies are good than the men.
我真的很高兴，因为有人告诉我，女人比男人好。
So if a lady interviews you, you get the visa also.
因此，如果一位女士面试您，您也可以获得签证。
I was thinking, like, all right, man.
我当时想，好吧，伙计。
You got it.
你明白了。
So the first thing she said was, please, can you raise your right hand and swear that everything that you will say is the truth?
所以她说的第一句话就是，请你举起右手，发誓你所说的一切都是事实？
Abdi did, and he answered a few simple questions.
阿卜迪照做了，并回答了几个简单的问题。
And then she was busy, writing something on her computer.
然后她就忙着在电脑上写东西。
I could feel that my legs were shivering.
我能感觉到我的腿在颤抖。
This is the moment.
这就是现在。
Man, this is the moment that you have been waiting for.
伙计，这就是你一直在等待的时刻。
And then she said, so tell me, where did you go to high school?
然后她说，告诉我，你在哪里读高中？
And I said, Mogadishu, Somalia.
我说，索马里摩加迪沙。
Where did you go to college, she asked.
你在哪里上大学，她问。
And he told her his university in Nairobi.
他告诉她他在内罗毕的大学。
But she said the transcripts that you have here does not have a signature.
但她说你这里的笔录没有签名。
Did you know that?
你知道吗？
One of his school transcripts didn't have a signature.
他的一份学校成绩单没有签名。
She took out a pink piece of paper and on the bottom, wrote two words-- "Missing Transcript." She handed it to Abdi and said, sorry, I can't give you the visa.
她拿出一张粉红色的纸，在纸的下面写着两个字——“遗失的笔录”。她把它递给阿卜迪并说，抱歉，我不能给你签证。
I was looking into her eyes, like, please, come back to me and say, hey, I've changed my mind.
我看着她的眼睛，就像，请回到我身边并对我说，嘿，我改变了主意。
Please, please, God.
求你了，求你了，上帝。
I need your help.
我需要你的帮助。
I need luck today.
我今天需要运气。
But the lady didn't change her mind.
但这位女士并没有改变主意。
She picked up her microphone and called the next number.
她拿起麦克风，拨通了下一个号码。
Dazed, Abdi walked outside and sat alone under a tree outside the embassy.
阿卜迪茫然地走到外面，独自坐在使馆外的一棵树下。
Because I needed to calm myself and bring myself together.
因为我需要让自己平静下来，让自己振作起来。
I sat there.
我坐在那里。
I was holding my head, and I was looking at this whole world as the worst place to live.
我抱着头，把整个世界视为最不适宜居住的地方。
I told myself, hey, are you rejected?
我告诉自己，嘿，你被拒绝了吗？
Is this real, or am I dreaming?
这是真的，还是我在做梦？
I thought it was like a dream.
我觉得这就像一场梦。
No, you can't do this.
不，你不能这样做。
You can't do this.
你不能这样做。
The embassy told him he could send them a signed transcript, if he wanted.
大使馆告诉他，如果他愿意，可以向他们发送一份签名的笔录。
But they told him not to come back to the embassy.
但他们告诉他不要再回到大使馆。
They'd be in touch, maybe.
也许他们会保持联系。
Abdi sent the transcript, even though he was sure he'd missed his chance.
尽管阿卜迪确信自己已经错过了机会，但还是发送了笔录。
Hello, this is Abdi Nor.
你好，我是阿卜迪·诺尔。
It's the 1st of August, 2014.
这是 2014 年 8 月 1 日。
An email got into my inbox.
一封电子邮件进入了我的收件箱。
It was Immigrant Visa Department at the US embassy.
那是美国大使馆的移民签证部。
And it tells me, from our records, your document has been received, and your visa will be sent by tomorrow.
它告诉我，根据我们的记录，您的文件已收到，您的签证将于明天寄出。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
This email made me jump off from my bed and hit my head onto the ceiling.
这封电子邮件让我从床上跳了起来，头撞到了天花板上。
It's issued.
已发出。
God, I just looked at it again.
天哪，我刚刚又看了一遍。
It's issued.
已发出。
What the hell is going on?
到底是怎么回事？
It's issued.
已发出。
This big smile was on my face.
我的脸上挂着灿烂的笑容。
I've never, ever had such a big smile-- never ever, ever, ever.
我从来没有笑过这么灿烂——从来没有、从来没有。
Hey, you.
嘿，你。
Leo Nornak Abdi.
利奥·诺纳克·阿卜迪。
[LAUGHS] Oh, my god.
[笑]哦，天啊。
How are you?
你好吗？
Leo.
利奥.
Leo Nornak Are you recording this?
Leo Nornak 你在录音吗？
First, please, before you say-- don't say anything first.
首先，请在你说之前——先不要说什么。
Please be recording.
请录音。
I'm recording, yeah.
我正在录音，是的。
Leo Nornak OK, great.
里奥·诺纳克 好吧，太棒了。
How does it feel to be the owner of a US visa?
拥有美国签证感觉如何？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
What was the question again?
又问了什么？
Sorry.
对不起。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
What does it feel like to be a green card holder?
成为绿卡持有者是什么感觉？
It feels like the dream has just become real.
感觉就像梦想刚刚变成现实。
I don't know what to say.
我不知道该说什么。
It feels like I am not a refugee.
感觉我不是难民。
No, this is not the refugee that was hiding from the police.
不，这不是躲避警察的难民。
I'm an American citizen.
我是美国公民。
There was one thing about the approval of Abdi's visa that made us wonder.
关于阿卜迪签证的批准，有一件事让我们感到好奇。
The day Abdi's visa was issued, before he heard the news, I had actually called the US embassy in Nairobi.
阿卜迪签证签发的那天，在他听到这个消息之前，我实际上已经给美国驻内罗毕大使馆打了电话。
I said I was a reporter doing a story about Abdi and that I was curious about how long their decision would take, because of my deadline.
我说我是一名记者，正在报道阿卜迪的故事，我很好奇他们需要多长时间才能做出决定，因为我的截止日期已经到了。
The woman I spoke to said she didn't know.
与我交谈的女士说她不知道。
For nine days, Abdi hadn't heard anything.
九天来，阿卜迪没有听到任何消息。
Two hours after my call, he got the good news.
在我打电话两个小时后，他得到了好消息。
We asked the State Department if my phone call influenced their decision about Abdi's visa, and they told us, quote, "The journalist's call played no role in the timing of the visa issuance.
我们询问国务院，我的电话是否影响了他们对阿卜迪签证的决定，他们告诉我们，引用的话：“记者的电话对签证签发的时间没有影响。
Any visa process coinciding with a press inquiry is merely a coincidence." I can't prove anything, but that is at odds with what the woman on the phone told me back when I initially called the embassy.
任何签证程序与媒体询问同时发生都只是巧合。”我无法证明任何事情，但这与我最初给大使馆打电话时电话里的女士告诉我的内容不一致。
She said that now that they knew I was doing a story about Abdi, they would try and expedite the process, even though I told her that wasn't why I was calling and that I was only asking for information.
她说，现在他们知道我正在做一个关于阿卜迪的故事，他们会尝试加快这个过程，尽管我告诉她这不是我打电话的原因，我只是询问信息。
We spoke with eight immigration lawyers, all experienced with the Diversity Visa Lottery, and they all said my call probably bumped Abdi's application to the top of the pile that day.
我们采访了八位移民律师，他们都对多元化签证抽签有丰富的经验，他们都说我的电话可能使阿卜迪的申请成为当天的首要申请。
And with the lottery, because they give out a finite number of visas by a hard deadline, that can be the difference between making it to the US, or not.
通过抽签，因为他们在严格的截止日期前发出有限数量的签证，这可能是能否到达美国的区别。
Leo Hornak, he's now at The Times of London, where he's the executive producer of the paper's new daily news podcast called, Stories of Our Times.
利奥·霍纳克（Leo Hornak），现在在伦敦《泰晤士报》工作，担任该报新的每日新闻播客《我们时代的故事》的执行制片人。
The show launches next month.
该剧下个月开播。
On August 11th, 2014, Hassan took Abdi to Nairobi airport, and Abdi flew to America to live in a small town in Maine.
2014年8月11日，哈桑带着阿卜迪前往内罗毕机场，阿卜迪飞往美国，住在缅因州的一个小镇。
The woman who had been supporting Abdi put him up with her family.
一直支持阿卜迪的女人把他安置在她的家人身边。
He looked for work for a while, finally found a job installing installation.
他找了一阵子工作，终于找到了安装安装的工作。
Lived in an apartment with three other Somali guys, mattresses on the floor.
和另外三个索马里人住在一间公寓里，床垫放在地板上。
He wrote a book about his life, Call Me American.
他写了一本关于他的生活的书，叫我美国人。
And then, three weeks ago--
然后，三周前——
If all the candidates would remain standing, or stand if you can, and raise your right hand.
如果所有候选人都保持站立，或者如果可以的话站立，并举起右手。
Abdi and 45 others in a sunshine-filled room in Maine raised their right hands.
阿卜迪和其他 45 人在缅因州一间充满阳光的房间里举起了右手。
Abdi had tears in his eyes.
阿卜迪眼里含着泪水。
--on oath-- Man --that I absolutely and entirely--
——发誓——伙计——我绝对、完全——
--renounce and abjure-- Abdi Nor --renounce and abjure--
——放弃和放弃——阿卜迪诺——放弃和放弃——
--to any foreign prince-- Abdi Nor --to any foreign prince--
——致任何外国王子——阿卜迪·诺尔——致任何外国王子——
--state or sovereignty-- Ira Glass OK, jumping ahead here.
--国家或主权-- Ira Glass 好的，先跳到这里。
--the Constitution of the United States--
——美国宪法——
--the Constitution of the United States--
——美国宪法——
--against all enemies-- Abdi Nor --against all enemies--
--对抗所有敌人--阿卜迪·诺尔--对抗所有敌人--
--foreign and domestic.
——国外和国内。
Abdi Nor --foreign and domestic.
阿卜迪·诺尔——国外和国内。
Jumping ahead again.
再次向前跳跃。
It all takes less than two minutes.
这一切只需要不到两分钟。
So help me, God.
所以请帮助我吧，上帝。
Abdi Nor So help me, God.
阿卜迪·诺尔 所以上帝啊，请帮助我。
Congratulations.
恭喜。
You are all United States citizens.
你们都是美国公民。
[APPLAUSE] Ira Glass There's also brief remarks from Senator Angus King.
[掌声] Ira Glass 参议员安格斯·金也发表了简短的讲话。
All of you who are immigrants or descendants of immigrants--
你们所有移民或移民后裔——
A choir sings.
唱诗班在唱歌。
Choir (SINGING) And the rocket's red glare--
合唱团（唱歌）还有火箭的红色光芒——
Abdi leads everybody in the Pledge of Allegiance.
阿卜迪带领大家宣誓效忠。
-- and to the republic for which it stands--
——以及它所代表的共和国——
And afterwards, I get a chance to talk to him.
之后，我就有机会和他交谈。
I think every second today was very, very moving.
我觉得今天的每一秒都非常非常感动。
And I feel the transformation happening.
我感觉到转变正在发生。
I feel the change happening.
我感觉到变化正在发生。
It's interesting.
这很有趣。
You actually do feel different now?
你现在确实感觉不一样了吗？
I feel different, yes.
我感觉不一样了，是的。
Really, I feel different.
真的，我感觉不一样了。
I mean, I'm not that Abdi from yesterday.
我是说，我不再是昨天的那个阿卜迪了。
I can feel that.
我能感觉到。
I can sense that, you know?
我能感觉到，你知道吗？
Is the difference just that you feel safe?
区别只是你感到安全吗？
The difference is that I feel safe, but I also feel empowered.
不同之处在于我感到安全，但我也感到有力量。
Empowered.
赋权。
Able to vote, able to do anything any citizen can do, able to bring his mother over from Somalia.
能够投票，能够做任何公民能做的事情，能够把他的母亲从索马里接过来。
He's no longer worried that he'd be banned coming in and out of the country, or that the Trump administration will start to deport green card holders like him somehow.
他不再担心自己会被禁止进出该国，也不担心特朗普政府会开始以某种方式驱逐像他这样的绿卡持有者。
Finally, he said, his childhood nickname, Abdi the American, is matched by his nationality.
最后，他说，他童年的绰号“美国人阿卜迪”与他的国籍相匹配。
It feels good.
感觉很好。
Who was I all these years?
这些年我是谁？
My life had been based on fighting for survival, and getting out of the war, and being threatened under-- it felt like I didn't have any rights at all as a displaced person, as a refugee, even as a green card holder or a resident in the United States.
我的生活是建立在为生存而战、逃离战争和受到威胁的基础上的——感觉就像我作为一个流离失所者、作为难民、甚至作为绿卡持有者或美国居民根本没有任何权利。
But now, I feel like it's like restarting.
但现在，我感觉就像重新开始一样。
You know, when you play video games, if something happens and then you have a character was killed, you just have the power to go back and redo everything.
你知道，当你玩电子游戏时，如果发生了什么事，然后你的角色被杀了，你就有权返回并重做一切。
One of the things I was so curious to ask Abdi about was, he had idealized America so much before he got here, in Kenya he used to say he loved America, so what was it like for him to actually live here?
我很好奇要问阿卜迪的一件事是，他在来到这里之前就非常理想化美国，在肯尼亚他常常说他爱美国，那么他真正生活在这里是什么样的呢？
It seemed like no place could possibly live up to the way he'd felt about the United States.
似乎没有一个地方能达到他对美国的感觉。
And he said, yeah, for all the safety, and opportunity, and freedom to speak and protest that he appreciates here, there were things about America that he was not prepared for.
他说，是的，尽管他很欣赏这里的安全、机会、言论和抗议的自由，但美国有些事情是他没有准备好的。
At his first job here installing insulation, guys on the crew stole his hardhat, and his tools, and his winter coat, treated him like an outsider.
他在这里的第一份工作是安装隔热层，工作人员偷走了他的安全帽、他的工具和他的冬衣，把他当作一个外人。
And in a bigger way, the America that he liked seeing on television when he was growing up, an idealistic, united America, that's what he had expected to find.
从更大的角度来看，他在成长过程中喜欢在电视上看到的美国，一个理想主义的、团结的美国，这就是他所期望找到的。
But that America is not on the TV anymore.
但美国不再出现在电视上。
It's such a scary place, so divided, more like the Somali tribes.
这是一个如此可怕的地方，如此分裂，更像是索马里部落。
Some things that happen here really reminded me what started the Somali civil war, how people were not happy with each other, how we hated each other's tribe, and power and all that.
这里发生的一些事情确实让我想起了索马里内战的起因，人们如何彼此不高兴，我们如何仇恨彼此的部落，权力等等。
And then the war that it started in 1991, 30 years old now.
然后是1991年开始的战争，现在已经30岁了。
So I can't watch America go that path, you know?
所以我不能看着美国走那条路，你知道吗？
I can't.
我不能。
So the only thing that I can do is sort of not see the news to not break my heart.
所以我唯一能做的就是不看新闻，以免伤心。
So America is such a confusing place.
所以美国真是一个令人困惑的地方。
Things are going well for him, though.
不过，他的一切进展顺利。
He got certification as an interpreter, and that's his job nowadays.
他获得了口译员资格，这就是他现在的工作。
His brother, Hassan, has made it to Toronto with his wife and kids.
他的兄弟哈桑与妻子和孩子一起抵达多伦多。
And Abdi is attending college part time, studying politics.
阿卜迪正在兼职上大学，学习政治。
He doesn't just want to use his right to vote now that he's a citizen, he wants to run for office someday.
作为公民，他不仅想利用自己的投票权，还想有一天竞选公职。
Well, the program was produced today by Brian Reed, Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Julie Snyder, and Nancy Updike.
今天的节目由 Brian Reed、Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joffe-Walt、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Julie Snyder 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
And editing help for today's show from Joel Lovell.
乔尔·洛弗尔 (Joel Lovell) 为今天的节目提供编辑帮助。
Production help from Noor Gill, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, and Matt Tierney.
Noor Gill、Katherine Rae Mondo、Stowe Nelson 和 Matt Tierney 为制作提供了帮助。
Thanks to BBC Radio current affairs, Hugh Levinson and Brigitte Harney, BBC's Crossing Continents radio show, where a version of Leo's story first aired.
感谢 BBC 广播电台时事节目、休·莱文森和布丽吉特·哈尼的广播节目《穿越大陆》，其中首次播出了利奥故事的一个版本。
Special thanks to Esther Sung at the National Immigration Law Center, also to PRI's The World, where Leo was a producer.
特别感谢国家移民法律中心的 Esther Sung，以及 PRI 的《世界》，Leo 是该节目的制片人。
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he was giving me a ride home last night.
你知道，他昨晚开车送我回家。
And I reached out to the radio, which, of course, was playing our station.
我伸手去拿收音机，当然，它正在播放我们的电台。
And before I could even touch the tuner, Torey is so hardcore Public Radio, he screeches the car over to the curve and tells me--
在我还没来得及触摸调谐器之前，托里（Torey）是一位铁杆公共广播电台，他把车开到弯道上并告诉我——
Boy, step out of my car.
男孩，从我的车里走出来。
All right, call the police.
好吧，报警吧。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。