692: The Show of Delights - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass In these dark, and confusing, and combative times, where in just one month-- and it's a month that doesn't feel that atypical-- we have impeachment hearings, and Australia on fire, and a near war with Iran, and a deadly virus spreading around the world.
序言：序言 艾拉·格拉斯 在这个黑暗、混乱、好斗的时代，在短短一个月内——而且这一个月并不让人感觉不寻常——我们举行了弹劾听证会，澳大利亚陷入火灾，与伊朗几乎爆发战争，致命病毒在世界各地蔓延。
We thought here at our show, we would try the most radical counter-programming possible.
我们认为在我们的展会上，我们将尝试尽可能激进的反编程。
So today, we bring you our show about delight.
那么今天，我们为大家带来我们关于欢乐的节目。
And our story starts with my co-worker Bim Adewunmi, growing up in East London, in Nigeria, learning about America from afar.
我们的故事始于我的同事 Bim Adewunmi，他在尼日利亚东伦敦长大，从远处了解美国。
I just remember the feeling of swimming in a lot of American culture.
我只记得在很多美国文化中游泳的感觉。
I watched a lot of sitcoms.
我看了很多情景喜剧。
I'd been watching Roseanne, I Dream of Jeannie, Family Matters.
我一直在看《罗珊娜》、《我梦见珍妮》、《家庭事务》。
It was a hodgepodge of Americana.
这是美国风格的大杂烩。
A deep dive on Marilyn Monroe, but also the books of Maya Angelou, and also the Cosby spin-off show, A Different World.
深入探讨玛丽莲·梦露、玛雅·安吉卢的书籍，以及考斯比的衍生剧《不同的世界》。
And I remember thinking, there are so many different types of black people, doing their own version of black people things, and that was really interesting to me.
我记得我当时想，有很多不同类型的黑人，他们做着他们自己版本的黑人事情，这对我来说真的很有趣。
Bim knew there were problematic things about America, of course.
当然，比姆知道美国存在一些问题。
Who didn't know that?
谁不知道呢？
But at the time, I was like, yay!
但当时我就想，耶！
American pop culture.
美国流行文化。
This is great.
这太棒了。
And I had such a fixed idea of America.
我对美国的看法是如此固定。
There were a million high school movies and TV shows.
有上百万部高中电影和电视节目。
I was like, oh, yeah.
我当时想，哦，是的。
If I was to land in an American school today, I would know exactly what to do.
如果我今天进入一所美国学校，我会确切地知道该怎么做。
I know the crowd I would fit in with.
我知道我适合的人群。
It was going to be proms.
本来是舞会。
It was going to be malls.
本来应该是购物中心。
I know where the cafeteria is.
我知道自助餐厅在哪里。
I understand that gym is a place of hell.
我知道健身房是一个地狱。
I understood everything around the idea of American school.
我了解美国学校理念的一切。
I had a whole vision of myself and where I would fit in the hierarchy.
我对自己有一个完整的愿景，也知道自己在等级制度中的位置。
Seriously?
严重地？
Bim Adewunmi Absolutely.
Bim Adewunmi 绝对的。
I'd be the semi-jock, because I used to run track at school.
我会成为一名半运动员，因为我曾经在学校参加过田径比赛。
So I was like, semi-jock, but sensitive, theater child, but also everybody's friend.
所以我就像一个半运动员但敏感的戏剧孩子，但也是每个人的朋友。
Yeah.
是的。
Bim Adewunmi And I would be approachable by people who weren't as cool as me.
Bim Adewunmi 对于那些不如我酷的人，我会很平易近人。
I had a whole strategy planned out.
我制定了一个完整的策略。
[LAUGHTER] Ira Glass I love that you totally pictured your American high school.
[笑声] Ira Glass 我喜欢你完整地描绘了你的美国高中。
I was going to be the everyman who was also very cool, incredibly bright, very beautiful, very popular, but wasn't conceited.
我将成为一个非常酷、非常聪明、非常美丽、非常受欢迎但不自负的普通人。
It seemed a shame to waste all this knowledge that I had about how American society functions by me being in England.
我在英国浪费了我所拥有的关于美国社会如何运作的所有知识，这似乎是一种耻辱。
It was like, well, what good is all this knowledge here?
就好像，好吧，所有这些知识有什么用呢？
If you have the knowledge, then you want to be tested.
如果你有知识，那么你想接受测试。
I wanted to be tested.
我想接受测试。
And the only real test is to actually live in America.
唯一真正的考验就是真正生活在美国。
To live that life.
过那样的生活。
And so, when she was 19, after high school and before college-- they don't call it high school and they don't call it college where she's from-- she decided, I'm going to do it.
所以，当她 19 岁的时候，高中毕业后、大学之前——在她的家乡，他们不称之为高中，也不称之为大学——她决定，我要这么做。
I'm going to take the test.
我要去参加考试。
Live the dream.
实现梦想。
Go live in America.
去美国生活吧。
In fact, not just any old part of America, but a quintessentially American corner of America.
事实上，这不仅仅是美国的任何一个古老地区，而是美国的一个典型的美国角落。
And that's summer camp.
这就是夏令营。
Summer camp's an institution they didn't really have in either of the countries where she'd spent her childhood-- Nigeria and England.
在她度过童年的两个国家——尼日利亚和英国，夏令营是一个真正没有的机构。
She was hired by a company that brings in teenagers from overseas to work as counselors, and she was assigned to a camp in a very un-British location-- just outside Santa Cruz, California.
她被一家从海外引进青少年担任辅导员的公司聘用，她被分配到一个非常非英国地点的营地——就在加利福尼亚州圣克鲁斯郊外。
We were amongst redwoods, some of the most ancient most majestic things ever on the Earth.
我们置身于红杉之中，红杉是地球上最古老、最雄伟的树木。
They've seen [BLEEP] dinosaurs.
他们见过[哔]恐龙。
So we were between the redwoods and the ocean.
所以我们在红杉和海洋之间。
And I was like, man!
我当时想，伙计！
You just don't get vistas like this in East London.
在东伦敦你是看不到这样的景色的。
It felt so American to be in nature like this.
在这样的大自然中感觉很美国化。
And we were sleeping in cabins, and I was like, yeah, this is a camp, all right.
我们睡在小屋里，我当时想，是的，这是一个营地，好吧。
In fact, over and over she found herself seeing and doing things that she'd only encountered in American pop culture.
事实上，她一次又一次地发现自己看到并做了一些她只在美国流行文化中遇到的事情。
For instance, she ate at an old-fashioned diner, with round stools at a long table, and a waitress in a striped blouse who called her honey.
例如，她在一家老式餐厅吃饭，长桌旁有圆凳子，穿着条纹衬衫的女服务员称她为“亲爱的”。
Or there was the day that a guy in a grocery store aisle, a total stranger, hit on her, which she'd only seen on television, which apparently is not a thing British men do very much.
或者有一天，杂货店过道里的一个完全陌生的男人向她搭讪，她只在电视上见过，这显然不是英国男人经常做的事情。
And each time these things happened, it was exhilarating and surprising.
每一次这样的事情发生，都令人兴奋和惊讶。
So one of the other counselors at camp, Laurel, invited us all to her parents place on Lake Tahoe.
因此，营地的另一位辅导员劳雷尔邀请我们所有人去她父母位于太浩湖的住所。
So we drove down in her car, which was a white El Camino truck, and she told us his name was Chester.
于是我们开着她的车下来，那是一辆白色的埃尔卡米诺卡车，她告诉我们他的名字叫切斯特。
And I thought, that's perfect.
我想，这太完美了。
Chester.
切斯特。
Chester the El Camino truck.
埃尔卡米诺卡车切斯特。
Yes.
是的。
At that point, I didn't know how to drive.
那时我还不知道怎么开车。
I still don't know how to drive because I lived in London, and there's a fantastic tube, and buses, and whatever, and I walked everywhere--
我仍然不知道如何开车，因为我住在伦敦，那里有很棒的地铁、公共汽车等等，而且我步行去任何地方——
Whatever.
无论如何。
I don't want to hear your British chauvinism of our American way of life.
我不想听到你们对我们美国生活方式的英国沙文主义。
It was great.
太棒了。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
Ira Glass Mm-hmm.
艾拉·格拉斯 嗯嗯。
Anyway, we drove down to Tahoe.
不管怎样，我们开车去了太浩湖。
And on the way we had the windows down, we were playing loud music, we're wearing jeans cutoffs, and I remember thinking yet again, this moment of stark clarity, I was like, oh my god!
在我们把窗户关上的路上，我们大声播放音乐，我们穿着牛仔裤，我记得我再次想到，这一刻的清晰，我就像，天哪！
This is America!
这就是美国！
I'm in a truck!
我在卡车里！
We're on the road!
我们在路上！
The wind is in our hair!
风吹过我们的头发！
This is perfect!
这太完美了！
We're a bunch of girls laughing about whatever, and it's great.
我们是一群女孩，无论做什么都开怀大笑，这真是太棒了。
Like it was a performance, but I knew all the words.
就像是一场表演，但我知道所有的台词。
So you guys are playing the radio.
所以你们正在听收音机。
Are you singing along with the radio?
你跟着收音机唱歌吗？
Oh, I do remember one song.
哦，我记得有一首歌。
Super girly.
超级少女感。
That was the year that Norah Jones' album Come Away With Me came out.
那一年，诺拉·琼斯的专辑《Come Away With Me》发行。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Bim Adewunmi I don't care what anyone says.
Bim Adewunmi 我不在乎别人说什么。
That album is a banger.
那张专辑很糟糕。
I love it still.
我仍然喜欢它。
Norah Jones' is just perfect.
诺拉琼斯的完美。
And I remember the lead song, "I Don't Know Why" was on the radio every single day.
我记得每天都会在广播中播放主打歌曲“我不知道为什么”。
And I remember us singing it, the final bit where she sings (SINGING) my heart's in something, something, whatever.
我记得我们唱这首歌，她唱的最后一点是我的心在某事，某事，无论如何。
And then she says this great line-- (SINGING) and you'll be on my mind.
然后她说出这句伟大的台词——（唱歌），你就会出现在我的脑海里。
And I remember we would sing that, and we'd put our hands to our chests, and we would extend our arms and be like, (SINGING) you'll be-- and we would all sing it.
我记得我们会唱这首歌，我们会把双手放在胸前，然后伸出双臂说，（唱歌）你会的——我们都会唱这首歌。
[MUSIC - "YOU'LL BE ON MY MIND" BY NORAH JONES]
[音乐 - 诺拉·琼斯的《你会在我的脑海里》]
And it was just this very romantic, very windswept-- it felt to me, again, like the perfect soundtrack to my American summer.
这非常浪漫，非常有风吹过——这对我来说，再次感觉就像是我的美国夏天的完美配乐。
America is real.
美国是真实的。
Bim Adewunmi America is real!
Bim Adewunmi 美国是真实的！
I was like, oh, my god!
我当时想，哦，天哪！
American things are happening to me.
美国的事情正在发生在我身上。
OK, so like I said at the beginning, our show today is about delight.
好的，就像我一开始说的，我们今天的节目是关于快乐的。
And it was during that summer, Bim says, because it was so full of moments of delight, she started to really take notice of that feeling and think of it as a thing, a thing that you liked.
宾姆说，正是在那个夏天，因为那里充满了快乐的时刻，她开始真正注意到这种感觉，并将其视为一件事情，一件你喜欢的事情。
It wasn't just enjoyable, she thought.
她想，这不仅仅是令人愉快的。
That feeling seemed important somehow.
不知何故，这种感觉似乎很重要。
And I thought, OK, this feeling is something worth repeating.
我想，好吧，这种感觉值得重复。
And the idea that you can go and look for delight and you might find it, was, I think, fully planted that summer.
我认为，你可以去寻找快乐，你可能会找到它，这个想法在那个夏天就已经扎根了。
In you?
在你身上？
Bim Adewunmi In me, yeah.
Bim Adewunmi 在我心里，是的。
Like if I actively sought out delight, I might be able to find it and replicate it forever.
就像如果我积极寻找快乐，我也许能够找到它并永远复制它。
So I thought, OK, we'll just keep doing that.
所以我想，好吧，我们就继续这样做吧。
That was a way of organizing my life.
这是组织我生活的一种方式。
By the way, a very un-British way to organize her life, Bim says, to embrace delight wholeheartedly and un-self-consciously.
顺便说一句，比姆说，这是一种非常非英国式的生活方式，她全心全意、不自觉地拥抱快乐。
Fundamentally, I'm fighting against every urge in me, which is like, don't.
从根本上说，我正在与内心的每一种冲动作斗争，就像“不要这样做”。
Don't do that.
不要那样做。
Because I'm still British.
因为我仍然是英国人。
I can't help that.
我无能为力。
So I'm always just thinking to myself, just going like, oh, is that too much?
所以我总是心里想，哦，这样是不是太过分了？
I feel very much like somebody's disapproving nanny.
我觉得自己很像有人不赞成的保姆。
Stop that.
别这样了。
That's too much emotion.
这感情太多了
You know, there's a reason why our national sound is a tut.
你知道，我们的民族声音之所以叫“啧啧”是有原因的。
[TUTS] Stop it.
[TUTS]别说了。
[LAUGHTER] It's an admonishment.
[笑声]这是一个警告。
It's like, stop it, you know?
就像，停下来，你知道吗？
There used to be a talk show, and the theme song was a little child singing in this very sing-songy voice-- (SINGING) it'll never work.
曾经有一个脱口秀节目，主题曲是一个小孩子用这种非常歌唱的声音唱歌——（唱歌）它永远不会成功。
It'll never work.
它永远不会起作用。
And that is how I feel about most things.
这就是我对大多数事情的感受。
[LAUGHTER] Bim Adewunmi But this kid just sang in a sole voice, and then a chorus of voices join and say, (SINGING) it will never work!
[笑声] Bim Adewunmi 但这孩子只是用一个声音唱歌，然后一大群人加入并说，（唱歌）这永远不会成功！
[LAUGHTER] Every time I see it, I'm like, a-ha!
[笑声] 每次我看到它，我都会说，啊哈！
That is the spirit of Britain.
这就是英国的精神。
So there's this poet that I discovered a couple of years ago.
这就是我几年前发现的这位诗人。
He's called Ross Gay, and he's written a book where he basically keeps track of the things that delight him.
他叫罗斯·盖伊（Ross Gay），他写了一本书，基本上记录了令他高兴的事情。
And that's things, that's people, that's moments, whatever.
那就是事情，那是人，那是时刻，等等。
And the word he used was "negligence." He said it's a negligence if people don't take the time to honor the things that they take delight in, but more importantly, that they share the things that they take delight in.
他用的词是“疏忽”。他说，如果人们不花时间去尊重他们喜欢的事情，但更重要的是，他们不分享他们喜欢的事情，那就是一种疏忽。
And if you don't do that, there's a loss there.
如果你不这样做，就会有损失。
You have to do it to achieve humanity.
你必须这样做才能实现人性。
You have to share delight.
你必须分享喜悦。
And that's what we're going to be doing today, right?
这就是我们今天要做的，对吧？
Yes, that's exactly what we're going to be doing today.
是的，这正是我们今天要做的。
We're going to think about what delights us, why it delights us, why it's important to cultivate delight.
我们要思考什么让我们快乐，为什么它让我们快乐，为什么培养快乐很重要。
And with that, let me just hand over the show to you.
那么，让我把这个节目交给你吧。
You'll host the show from here.
您将从这里主持节目。
OK, you want to do the part where you say "from WBEZ Chicago?"
好的，您想要执行“来自 WBEZ 芝加哥”的部分吗？
OK.
好的。
From W-B-E-zed Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自 W-B-E-zed 芝加哥，这是《美国生活》。
I'm Bim Adewunmi.
我是比姆·阿德温米。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
It's one thing to be attuned to delight, but it's quite another to scrape off a sample, stick it on a slide, and place it under a microscope.
获得愉悦是一回事，但刮下样本、将其粘贴在载玻片上并将其放在显微镜下则完全是另一回事。
Enter Ross Gay, the poet I was talking about a moment ago.
罗斯·盖伊（Ross Gay）登场，我刚才谈到的诗人。
Ross is an English professor at Indiana University, and a couple of years ago, he embarked on a specific mission-- to think about delight.
罗斯是印第安纳大学的英语教授，几年前，他开始执行一项特定的使命——思考快乐。
He made it a practice, in fact.
事实上，他把它变成了一种实践。
For one calendar year, Ross would ask himself, what delights me?
在一年的时间里，罗斯会问自己，什么让我高兴？
And then he would write it down.
然后他会把它写下来。
He set rules.
他制定了规则。
He would do it every day, he would draft them quickly, and every single delight would be written by hand.
他每天都会这样做，他会很快地起草它们，并且每一个喜悦都会用手写下来。
He called them essayettes.
他称它们为散文。
Some of these essayettes eventually became a book-- The Book of Delights.
其中一些散文最终成为一本书——《欢乐之书》。
Here's Ross reading an excerpt of Delight number 80 from the book, "Tomato Onboard," in his living room in Bloomington.
罗斯在布卢明顿的客厅里阅读《船上的番茄》一书中第 80 期《快乐》的摘录。
What you don't know until you carry a tomato seedling through the airport and onto a plane, is that carrying a tomato seedling through the airport and onto a plane will make people smile at you, almost like you're carrying a baby.
直到您携带番茄苗穿过机场并登上飞机时，您才会知道携带番茄苗穿过机场并登上飞机会让人们对您微笑，就像您抱着一个婴儿一样。
I did not know this until today, carrying my little tomato, about three or four inches high in its four-inch plastic starter pot, which my friend Michael gave to me, smirking about how I was going to get it home.
直到今天我才知道这一点，我拿着我的小番茄，大约三四英寸高，放在四英寸的塑料发酵罐里，这是我的朋友迈克尔给我的，笑着说我要如何把它带回家。
Something about this at first felt naughty-- not comparing a tomato to a baby, but carrying the tomato under the plane.
起初，这件事让人觉得很顽皮——不是把西红柿比作婴儿，而是把西红柿带到飞机下面。
And so, I slid the thing into my bag while going through security, which made them pull the bag for inspection.
于是，我在过安检时把东西塞进了包里，结果他们把包拉出来接受检查。
When the security guy saw it was a tomato, he smiled and said, "I don't know how to check that.
当保安看到这是一个西红柿时，他微笑着说：“我不知道如何检查。
Have a good day."
祝你有美好的一天。”
But I quickly realized one of its stems, which I almost wrote as arms, was broken from the jostling, and it only had four of them.
但我很快意识到它的一根茎，我几乎把它写成手臂，在推挤中折断了，而且它只有四根。
So I decided I'd better just carry it out in the open.
所以我决定最好公开进行。
And the shower of love began.
爱的沐浴开始了。
Before boarding the final leg of my flight, one of the workers said, "Nice tomato!" which I don't think was a come on.
在登上最后一段航班之前，一名工作人员说：“西红柿不错！”我不认为这是一个来吧。
And the flight attendant asked about the tomato at least five times-- not an exaggeration-- every time calling it "my tomato." "Where's my tomato?
空乘人员至少五次询问番茄的情况——毫不夸张——每次都称它为“我的番茄”。 “我的西红柿呢？
How's my tomato?
我的西红柿怎么样？
You didn't lose my tomato, did you?" She even directed me to an open seat in the exit row.
你没有弄丢我的西红柿吧？”她甚至引导我到出口排的一个空位子。
"Why don't you guys go sit there and stretch out?" I gathered my things and set the little guy in the window seat so she could look out.
“你们为什么不坐在那里舒展一下身体呢？”我收拾好东西，把小家伙放在靠窗的座位上，这样她就可以向外看。
When I got my water, I poured some into the little guy's soil.
当我拿到水时，我把一些水倒进了小家伙的土壤里。
When we got bumpy, I put my hand on the little guy's container, careful not to snap another arm off.
当我们遇到颠簸时，我将手放在小家伙的容器上，小心不要折断另一只手臂。
And when we landed, and the pilot put the brakes on hard, my arm reflexively went across the seat, holding the little guy in place, the way my dad's arm would when he had to break in that car without belts to speak of, and one of my very favorite gestures in the encyclopedia of human gestures.
当我们着陆时，飞行员猛踩刹车，我的手臂条件反射地越过座椅，将小家伙固定在适当的位置，就像我父亲在没有安全带的情况下闯入那辆车时的手臂所做的那样，这也是人类手势百科全书中我最喜欢的手势之一。
The Book of Delights is a series of daily snapshots into one man's habits and pleasures.
《快乐之书》是一系列关于一个人的习惯和快乐的日常快照。
If you ever wanted an essay about the specific sensation of applying coconut oil to a shower damp body, that would be delight number 101.
如果您想要一篇关于在淋浴时将椰子油涂抹在潮湿的身体上的特殊感觉的文章，那将是第 101 号文章。
Airports, and the people Ross encounters in them, come up a fair bit.
机场，以及罗斯在机场遇到的人，都受到了相当多的关注。
His garden, where we spent a very delightful afternoon talking about bumblebees and potatoes, is the location of many a delight.
我们在他的花园里谈论大黄蜂和土豆，度过了一个非常愉快的下午，这里是许多欢乐的地方。
Some of the delights in the book were things that surprised him, while others were looking back in time, memories of people no longer here.
书中的一些乐趣是让他感到惊讶的事情，而另一些则是对过去的回顾，对不再在这里的人们的回忆。
A lot of them featured familiar faces in familiar places.
其中很多都是在熟悉的地方出现了熟悉的面孔。
Ross was getting to reassess his environment, and consider it through a new lens-- a delightful lens.
罗斯开始重新评估他的环境，并通过一个新的视角——一个令人愉快的视角来考虑它。
I was learning as I was going.
我一边走一边学习。
And frankly, I was learning how much some of these things delighted me.
坦率地说，我正在了解其中一些事情让我多么高兴。
The question is always, why does that delight me?
问题总是，为什么这让我高兴？
What does it do to a person to study delight?
研究快乐对一个人有什么作用？
Or, as it emerges, to study joy every single day for a year?
或者，正如它所出现的那样，研究一年中每一天的快乐？
What do you discover?
你发现了什么？
One of the things he discovered is the mechanics of how to find delight every day as a discipline.
他发现的一件事是如何将每天寻找乐趣作为一门学科。
Because delight doesn't just arrive, you need to actively go looking for it.
因为快乐不会突然到来，你需要积极地去寻找它。
Being in a state of trying to train your curiosity, and trying to train this sense of not knowing.
处于一种努力训练你的好奇心的状态，努力训练这种不知道的感觉。
Delight and curiosity are really tied up.
喜悦和好奇心确实是紧密相连的。
You have to be OK with not knowing things.
你必须坦然接受不知道的事情。
You have to be actually invested and happy about not knowing things.
你必须真正投入并为不了解事物而感到高兴。
The Book of Delights is a peculiar thing, an undertaking of serious academic rigor that also makes you feel good.
《欢乐之书》是一件奇特的作品，是一部学术严谨的作品，同时也让你感觉良好。
Those things aren't meant to go together.
这些东西不应该放在一起。
The book offers up many thoughts on what delight is or what it could be, but it never defines it explicitly.
这本书提出了许多关于快乐是什么或它可能是什么的想法，但它从未明确定义它。
The takeaway is that delight, while important, is hard to pin down.
结论是，快乐虽然很重要，但很难确定。
Reading the book and talking to Ross about this made me feel like I was floating on a chemically-enhanced-- but perfectly legal in 11 states-- cloud.
阅读这本书并与罗斯谈论这一点让我感觉自己漂浮在化学增强的云上——但在 11 个州完全合法。
I began to think of him as a sort of personal delight guru, and so my questions for him began to take on the strong whiff of a patchouli joss stick.
我开始把他视为一种个人快乐大师，所以我对他的问题开始带有强烈的广藿香香的味道。
Did you end up with a grand unifying theory on what delight is?
您最终是否得出了关于快乐是什么的宏大统一理论？
[LAUGHS] No. No, but I did end up with what feels like a kind of beginning theory of what joy is.
[笑]不，不，但我最终确实得到了一种关于快乐是什么的初步理论。
[LAUGHS] I just had an image.
[笑]我刚刚有一张图片。
Delight is like the butterflies flying around and landing on the thing that is joy.
喜悦就像蝴蝶飞来飞去，落在快乐的事物上。
Right.
正确的。
See?
看？
Patchouli.
广藿香。
To Ross, an important part of delight is that it's an invitation.
对罗斯来说，快乐的一个重要部分是这是一个邀请。
By loving something, we allow other people an opportunity to love it too-- sharing, tapping someone on the shoulder to say, hey, look!
通过热爱某件事，我们让其他人有机会也热爱它——分享、拍拍别人的肩膀说，嘿，看！
So, often I feel like I've had the experience of walking through the world and not seeing anything.
所以，我常常觉得自己有过走遍世界却什么也看不见的经历。
And then someone's like, did you see how that-- You don't see it until you see it.
然后有人会说，你看到了吗——除非你看到它，否则你不会看到它。
And then when you see it, you're like, whoa!
然后当你看到它时，你会说，哇！
We just had a bunch of people over here the other night, and this couple had this little kid.
前几天晚上我们这里有一群人，这对夫妇带着一个小孩。
And so, he starts yelling, rainbow!
于是，他开始大喊，彩虹！
Rainbow!
彩虹！
[LAUGHS] And what did we do?
[笑]我们做了什么？
We are all in here talking, being adults.
我们都是成年人，都在这里说话。
Boom!
繁荣！
We ran outside and started looking at the rainbow.
我们跑到外面开始看彩虹。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Thank you.
谢谢。
It's like, come gasp with me.
就像，跟我一起喘气吧。
Come gasp with me.
快来和我一起喘口气吧。
This is unbelievable.
这太令人难以置信了。
Which brings us to Act Two-- The Squeals on the Bus.
接下来我们进入第二幕——公交车上的尖叫声。
It's not surprising that it's a child that runs in to tell everyone to come look at a rainbow.
毫不奇怪，一个孩子跑进来告诉大家来看彩虹。
There's a feeling that delight is the preserve of children, and any adult who finds delight easily might be a simpleton or a Pollyanna.
人们有一种感觉，快乐是孩子们的专利，而任何容易找到快乐的成年人可能是个傻瓜或盲目乐观。
Perhaps, you've noticed, this whole hour is an argument against that.
也许，你已经注意到，这一个小时都是在反对这一点。
But for Act 2, let's spend a little time with a five-year-old-- my colleague, Robyn Semien's son, Cole.
但在第二幕中，让我们花一点时间和一个五岁的孩子在一起——我的同事，罗宾·塞米恩的儿子科尔。
He recently had an experience around a mundane thing most adults loathe-- commuting.
他最近经历了一件大多数成年人都讨厌的平凡事情——通勤。
He was going to ride the school bus for the very first time.
他这是第一次乘坐校车。
Robyn has the story.
罗宾有故事。
Cole has been looking forward to this exact moment for years, more than kindergarten, or his first day at school.
多年来，科尔一直期待着这一刻，不仅仅是幼儿园，也不仅仅是他上学的第一天。
Taking the bus to Cole, is epic.
乘坐巴士前往科尔，真是史诗般的体验。
So one morning this past September, with his new sneakers and Batman backpack on, Cole and I walked down our driveway.
所以，去年九月的一天早上，我和科尔穿着新运动鞋，背着蝙蝠侠背包，走在车道上。
What happened to old Cole?
老科尔怎么了？
Cole Yeah, old Cole is dead now.
科尔 是的，老科尔现在死了。
Oh, wow!
哦，哇！
Cole Yeah, when we get old, really old, we start to die.
科尔 是的，当我们老了，真的老了，我们就开始死亡。
Well, these are very deep thoughts for the bus.
嗯，这些都是对公交车来说非常深刻的想法。
Riding the bus, to Cole, was not about riding the bus.
乘坐公共汽车去科尔，并不是为了乘坐公共汽车。
It meant he was gaining on his big sister Josie.
这意味着他正在追赶他的姐姐乔西。
She's 10, getting a hair closer to that mysterious, frustratingly out-of-reach thing that she has-- autonomy.
她十岁了，离她所拥有的神秘的、令人沮丧的遥不可及的东西——自主权——越来越近了。
We're going to walk down to the bus stop together.
我们要一起步行到公交车站。
Come on.
快点。
Why?
为什么？
Robyn Semien Because that where the bus comes to get her, down on the corner.
Robyn Semien 因为公共汽车来接她的地方就在拐角处。
Did you know that?
你知道吗？
No. Robyn Semien For a kid obsessed with this trip, he's surprisingly vague on some of the details.
罗宾·塞米恩 (Robyn Semien) 对于一个痴迷于这次旅行的孩子来说，他对一些细节的描述出人意料地模糊。
See the tree?
看到树了吗？
What tree?
什么树？
Robyn Semien That tree right down there on the corner.
Robyn Semien 那棵树就在拐角处。
Then we have to wait there?
那我们还得在那里等？
Robyn Semien Mm-hmm.
罗宾·塞米恩 嗯嗯。
That's how she does it every single day.
她每天都是这样做的。
That's how she's been doing it for three years.
三年来，她就是这样坚持的。
What?
什么？
Robyn Semien I know!
罗宾·塞米恩 我知道！
And now it's your turn.
现在轮到你了。
We get to the corner and wait.
我们走到拐角处等待。
Hey, good morning.
嘿，早上好。
Our neighbor Ian pulls up, sees us, and gets out of his car.
我们的邻居伊恩把车停了下来，看到我们，就下了车。
I'm waiting for my bus.
我正在等我的公共汽车。
Ian Oh!
伊恩哦！
Your first day?
你的第一天？
Yeah, first time on the bus.
嗯，第一次坐公交车。
Ian All right!
伊恩 好吧！
I think I hear a bus.
我想我听到了公共汽车的声音。
Robyn Semien You do?
罗宾·塞米恩 你知道吗？
Oh, it was just that car.
哦，就是那辆车。
Robyn Semien Cole wills the bus to come sooner, like everyone at every bus stop ever has done.
罗宾·塞米恩·科尔 (Robyn Semien Cole) 希望公交车能够早点来，就像每个公交车站的每个人都做过的那样。
I think I heard my bus.
我想我听到了公交车的声音。
It sounded different.
听起来不一样。
I think I heard it.
我想我听到了。
I don't think so yet, bud.
我还不这么认为，伙计。
We practiced greeting the bus driver.
我们练习向公交车司机打招呼。
I'm going to say, hi, busdriver.
我要说，嗨，公交车司机。
I'm a little bit shy to say, how are you doing?
我有点害羞地说，你好吗？
We do this a couple more times till Cole tells me to stop because it's boring.
我们又这样做了几次，直到科尔告诉我停止，因为这很无聊。
A little bit boring.
有点无聊。
Robyn Semien And then more waiting.
Robyn Semien 然后还有更多的等待。
Cole's mood dips.
科尔的情绪低落。
He has doubts.
他有疑问。
But what if there is not a spot for me in the bus?
但如果公交车上没有空位怎么办？
Oh, there'll be a spot for you.
噢，会有位置给你的。
They know you're coming.
他们知道你要来。
We told them you're coming.
我们告诉他们你要来。
OK?
好的？
OK.
好的。
What's taking up that bus?
是什么占用了那辆公共汽车？
It's taking too long for me.
对我来说花费的时间太长了。
We've been here for over an hour.
我们已经在这里呆了一个多小时了。
It's been 10 minutes.
已经10分钟了。
Cole And it's taking too long.
科尔 而且这花了太长时间。
It's taking crappy long!
花的时间太长了！
[LAUGHS] Crappy!
[笑]蹩脚！
Robyn Semien No, no. We don't say that.
罗宾·塞米恩 不，不。我们不这么说。
Fine.
美好的。
Robyn Semien I'm a little worried that maybe Cole has overimagined the bus ride, and it won't live up.
罗宾·塞米恩（Robyn Semien） 我有点担心科尔可能对巴士之旅想象过度，而它不会实现。
That years of anticipation will only disappoint him in the end.
这么多年的期待，最终只会让他失望。
And then rounding the corner--
然后转过拐角——
[LAUGHS] Stand to the side.
[笑]站到一边。
OK, let's go.
好的，我们走吧。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
Cole tears past me and up the bus steps like it's nothing.
科尔泪流满面地从我身边走过，走上公交车的台阶，就像什么事都没有一样。
He's daring, I think to myself.
他很大胆，我心里想。
Love you!
爱你！
Good morning.
早上好。
Cole stood for a second longer, facing the rows of seats and kids, taking it all in, completely lit up.
科尔又站了一秒钟，面对一排排的座位和孩子们，将这一切全都看在眼里，完全被照亮了。
I can't believe it!
我简直不敢相信！
I'm on the bus!
我在公交车上！
Yes!
是的！
Yes!
是的！
It's my first time.
这是我第一次。
He's fine.
他很好。
Better than fine.
比好的好。
Cole Now this is what I'm talking about.
科尔 现在这就是我要说的。
That was New Cole, with his producer, Robyn Semien.
那是纽·科尔和他的制片人罗宾·塞米恩。
Act Three-- Mrs. Meek shall inherit the Earth.
第三幕——米克夫人将继承地球。
I think delight might actually be more profound when you've experienced more, including real loss and tragedy.
我认为，当你经历更多，包括真正的损失和悲剧时，快乐实际上可能会更深刻。
Ross Gay's book of delights is edged in despair.
罗斯·盖伊的《欢乐之书》陷入了绝望的边缘。
In it, Ross writes about his dearly departed friends, his uncle Earl, his father.
罗斯在书中写到了他已故的朋友、他的叔叔厄尔、他的父亲。
He calls them his deceased beloveds.
他称他们为他已故的挚爱。
But that's the way of delight.
但这就是快乐的方式。
When I think of joy, grown up joy is made up of our sorrow, just like it's made up of what is pleasing to us.
当我想到快乐时，长大后的快乐是由我们的悲伤组成的，就像它是由令我们高兴的事物组成的一样。
Often, it felt like I wasn't going to be able to talk about delight without talking about these other things.
通常，感觉如果不谈论这些其他事情，我就无法谈论快乐。
Delight often implies its absence.
喜悦常常意味着它的缺席。
Noriko Meek knows all about that.
Noriko Meek 知道这一切。
After 72 years on Earth, she's made some changes lately.
在地球上生活了 72 年后，她最近做出了一些改变。
Her daughter, Miki, talked to her about it.
她的女儿米基（Miki）与她谈论了这件事。
My mom is 72 years old, and in this new phase of her life, where she's all about doing whatever she wants.
我妈妈已经 72 岁了，在她人生的新阶段，她只想做任何她想做的事。
I'm glad for her, but sometimes it's kind of annoying.
我为她感到高兴，但有时这有点烦人。
Recently, I was her chauffeur on a road trip through Texas and New Mexico.
最近，我是她的司机，进行了一次穿越德克萨斯州和新墨西哥州的公路旅行。
She woke me up at 5:30 in the morning so we could drive an hour to watch the sunrise from some sand dunes in the middle of nowhere.
她早上 5:30 叫醒我，这样我们就可以开车一个小时去偏僻的沙丘上看日出。
She insisted on hanging out in a cold crappy parking lot to take pictures of a rainbow.
她坚持在寒冷、破旧的停车场闲逛，拍摄彩虹的照片。
Then when I asked if I could interview her, she told me, "maybe." But first, she needed to take a bath.
然后当我问我是否可以采访她时，她告诉我，“也许吧。”但首先，她需要洗个澡。
Her second one for the day.
她今天的第二个。
Oh!
哦！
Miki Meek When she finally got out, she sat next to me on the queen bed we were sharing-- one, two, three-- and then pulled out some floss.
当米基·米克（Miki Meek）终于出来时，她坐在我们共用的大床上，坐在我旁边——一张，两张，三张——然后拿出一些牙线。
I should clean my teeth.
我应该清洁牙齿。
Miki Meek You're going to clean your teeth while we're talking?
Miki Meek 我们说话的时候你要刷牙吗？
So gross.
太恶心了。
Noriko Meek No worry!
米克纪子 不用担心！
I can do whatever.
我可以做任何事。
Except that I'm sleeping right next to you.
只不过我睡在你旁边。
The first time I notice she'd changed was over the summer, standing outside of my brother's house.
我第一次注意到她的变化是在夏天，当时她站在我哥哥的房子外面。
We'd been talking about where to go grocery shopping, when she suddenly switched subjects.
我们正在讨论去哪里买菜，她突然转移了话题。
She asked me, with this smiling but also totally serious face, if I could tell that she was glowing.
她面带微笑，但表情十分严肃，问我是否看出她在发光。
I wasn't totally sure what she was talking about, so I told her, um, yeah, I guess you look nice.
我不太确定她在说什么，所以我告诉她，嗯，是的，我猜你看起来不错。
And then I just as quickly changed the subject back to the cheap produce section at Trader Joe's.
然后我很快就把话题转回到Trader Joe's 的廉价农产品区。
Well, because to me it was so obvious you've probably seen it.
嗯，因为对我来说这太明显了，你可能已经看到了。
Because inside, I mean, I think I was glowing inside, just radiating joy.
因为我的内心，我觉得我内心在发光，散发着喜悦。
Just delight, you know?
只是高兴，你知道吗？
I don't think I've ever used the word "delight" in a conversation with you ever.
我想我在和你谈话时从来没有用过“高兴”这个词。
I don't think I start using this word-- yeah, just recently, I think.
我不认为我开始使用这个词——是的，我想是最近才开始使用这个词。
Because I tell my friends, my life is just delightful, you know?
因为我告诉我的朋友，我的生活很愉快，你知道吗？
To my friends.
给我的朋友们。
Miki Meek This is not the mom I grew up with.
米基·米克 这不是和我一起长大的妈妈。
She was practical, frugal, and not a big fan of hugs, kisses, or elaborating on her feelings.
她很实际、节俭，不太喜欢拥抱、亲吻或阐述自己的感受。
My mom was married to my dad for 43 years.
我妈妈和我爸爸结婚43年了。
They met in college in their early 20s, and then went on to have six kids.
他们二十岁出头在大学相识，随后育有六个孩子。
My mom stayed at home with us full-time, and she was kind of a hard-ass.
我妈妈全职在家陪我们，她是个硬汉。
OK, so what does the word "delight" mean to you?
好吧，那么“喜悦”这个词对你来说意味着什么？
How would you even define that?
你会如何定义它？
Delight is just like light your heart out, like ignite something, you know?
快乐就像点燃你的心，就像点燃某些东西，你知道吗？
At the moment, you just feel lightness.
此刻，你只感觉轻松。
So if you were to list what delights you, what's on that list?
那么，如果您要列出令您高兴的事情，那么清单上有什么？
OK, go first thing in the morning I wake up, and I go to the bathroom, and my Toto toilet is warm.
好的，早上起床后第一件事就是去卫生间，我的 Toto 马桶很热。
We have a Japanese toilet with a warm toilet seat.
我们有一个带温暖马桶座圈的日式厕所。
Yeah, and I just sit on it.
是的，我只是坐在上面。
It's just so warm.
真是太温暖了。
And I just feel I am so happy.
我只是觉得我很高兴。
I really feel it.
我真的感觉到了。
I am so happy!
我太高兴了！
And it happens every morning.
它每天早上都会发生。
[LAUGHS] Yeah, it's a consistent delight.
[笑]是的，这是一种持续的快乐。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Consistent Delight.
一致的喜悦。
Miki Meek Other things on her list of delights?
Miki Meek 她的快乐清单上还有其他东西吗？
Eating discounted donuts for breakfast-- she keeps her freezer stocked with them-- going to a ballet class for seniors, and reading biographies in bed for two hours every night.
早餐吃打折的甜甜圈——她的冰箱里备满了甜甜圈——去参加老年人的芭蕾舞课，每晚在床上读两个小时的传记。
She also started traveling for fun for the very first time in her life.
她也开始了她人生中第一次的乐趣旅行。
Right now, she's on a big nature streak.
现在，她正处于一种自然的状态。
She's hiked through Joshua Tree, the Badlands, Death Valley, the Pyrenees, and on, and on, and on.
她徒步穿越约书亚树、荒地、死亡谷、比利牛斯山脉等等。
She exhausts me.
她让我筋疲力尽。
Never.
绝不。
Miki Meek Not even when we were kids or when you had us?
米基·米克（Miki Meek） 甚至当我们还是孩子的时候或者当你有了我们的时候也没有吗？
[LAUGHS] What did you feel?
[笑]你有什么感觉？
Noriko Meek I was glad you guys are born and safe, but I don't think-- raising kids, taking care of your dad-- yeah, I don't think I ever used the word "delight." Because I mean, I placed myself always like my needs, or whatever, last.
Noriko Meek 我很高兴你们出生并且安全，但我不认为——抚养孩子，照顾你的父亲——是的，我不认为我曾经使用过“高兴”这个词。因为我的意思是，我总是将自己的需要或其他什么放在最后。
Money, or whatever, time.
金钱，或者其他什么，时间。
But then after kids all gone, and your dad's gone, finally I have my life, and I can do what I want, whenever, whatever.
但在孩子们都走了，你爸爸也走了之后，我终于有了自己的生活，我可以随时随地做我想做的事。
Just no stress.
只是没有压力。
No responsibility.
没有责任。
That's why I say light, I feel so light.
这就是为什么我说轻，我感觉很轻。
And I think delight-- delightful is just the exact adjective for my life at this point.
我认为“愉悦”——“愉悦”正是对我此时此刻的生活的准确形容词。
My life is really amazing.
我的生活真的很奇妙。
And then I see movies.
然后我看电影。
Three movies a week sometimes, at 8:30 in the morning, and that's just wonderful.
有时每周看三部电影，早上 8:30，那真是太棒了。
How many other people in the movie theater?
电影院里还有多少人？
Nobody.
没有人。
Just me.
只有我。
Just great.
太棒了。
Miki Meek After my dad died four years ago from cancer, my mom completely fell apart in a way I'd never seen her before.
米基·米克（Miki Meek）：四年前，我父亲因癌症去世后，我母亲以一种我从未见过的方式彻底崩溃了。
She suddenly became needy, she openly cried.
她突然变得很需要，她公开哭泣。
Before then, all her energy had gone into keeping my dad alive.
在那之前，她所有的精力都花在了维持我父亲的生命上。
She'd spent a decade caring for him, constantly driving him to the ER in the middle of the night, and checking his oxygen levels while he slept.
她花了十年的时间照顾他，经常在半夜开车送他去急诊室，并在他睡觉时检查他的氧气水平。
We never really talked about what it was like for her watching him deteriorate so much that sometimes he felt like a stranger.
我们从来没有真正谈论过她看着他恶化得如此严重，有时他觉得自己像个陌生人是什么感觉。
But then, when he was suddenly gone, all the feelings she'd pushed down came out in this big devastating wave.
但当他突然消失后，她压抑的所有感情都在这毁灭性的巨浪中爆发了出来。
For a while, she could barely function.
有一段时间，她几乎无法活动。
Four years.
四年了。
It took four years.
花了四年时间。
I really took a very small step forward after your dad died, just to make sure I'm alive.
你父亲去世后，我真的向前迈出了一小步，只是为了确保我还活着。
So each morning I get up and I have this terrible pain in my chest.
所以每天早上我起床后，我的胸部都会感到剧烈的疼痛。
But then I just say, OK, I think I can make myself live to the end of this day.
但后来我只是说，好吧，我想我能让自己活到这一天。
And that's all I thought about.
这就是我所想的。
Do you feel surprised sometimes that you feel this good?
有时你会因为自己感觉这么好而感到惊讶吗？
I mean, when dad died and I was just so sad, I didn't think this would ever happen.
我的意思是，当爸爸去世时，我非常悲伤，我认为这不会发生。
Hmm.
唔。
Noriko Meek I really thought my life was over.
Noriko Meek 我真的以为我的人生已经结束了。
My mom grieved intensely like this for about six months, and then I asked her to come live with me in my tiny apartment for a while.
我妈妈就这样悲痛了大约六个月，然后我让她到我的小公寓里和我一起住一段时间。
She said yes, and I didn't expect her to.
她说是的，我没想到她会这么做。
I thought she'd worry too much about being a burden.
我以为她太担心成为负担了。
But this time, she agreed with me that staying with me might actually make her feel better.
但这一次，她同意我的观点，认为和我在一起实际上可能会让她感觉更好。
I wouldn't let her sleep on the couch, so we got into this whole nighttime routine where we'd put on our pajamas and read in my bed, like some old married couple.
我不会让她睡在沙发上，所以我们就开始了整个夜间的例行公事，我们穿上睡衣，在我的床上看书，就像一对老夫妇一样。
My brother came to visit us once.
有一次我哥哥来看我们。
At 10:00 PM, my mom tapped me on the knee and said, time to hit the hay, Mik.
晚上 10:00，我妈妈拍拍我的膝盖说，米克，该上床睡觉了。
We sat up together, and he was like, what is happening?
我们一起坐起来，他问，发生了什么事？
My mom's choice to stay with me marked the beginning of her opening herself up and putting herself first.
我妈妈选择和我在一起标志着她开始敞开心扉，把自己放在第一位。
Right now, her travel calendar for 2020 is already all booked up-- Alabama, Alaska, Italy, Japan, Chicago, and Spain.
现在，她2020年的旅行日历已经排满了——阿拉巴马州、阿拉斯加、意大利、日本、芝加哥和西班牙。
Maybe because my life is getting shorter, that pushes me to be more courageous.
也许是因为我的生命越来越短，这促使我更加勇敢。
Yeah.
是的。
Noriko Meek So every day I wake up with some expectation, anticipation.
Noriko Meek 所以每天我醒来时都会带着一些期待、期待。
Yeah, on my calendar, there's nothing I don't want to do.
是的，在我的日历上，没有什么是我不想做的。
If dad had stayed alive and been healthy, do you think you could still feel the way that you do now?
如果爸爸还活着并且身体健康，你认为你还能有现在的感觉吗？
Probably not.
可能不会。
Isn't that terrible?
那不是很可怕吗？
Because with him, my life, I'll have more responsibilities.
因为有了他，我的生活，我就会有更多的责任。
He will be number one in my life.
他将成为我生命中的第一。
And then, my needs will come after his.
然后，我的需求将排在他之后。
Yeah, so it's just almost sometimes sounds like, oh, I'm glad he's gone.
是的，所以有时听起来就像是，哦，我很高兴他走了。
I'm not saying that.
我不是这么说的。
But because he's gone, this is the life I have, and I just want it to be delightful, you know?
但因为他走了，这就是我的生活，我只是希望它是愉快的，你知道吗？
I think it's OK.
我认为还可以。
It is OK.
没关系。
Noriko Meek Yeah.
米克纪子 是的。
These questions kind of dumb.
这些问题有点愚蠢。
That's my mom telling me she thinks my questions are kind of dumb.
我妈妈告诉我，她认为我的问题有点愚蠢。
[LAUGHS] Why is it dumb?
[笑]为什么这么蠢？
People will think you're really annoying?
人们会认为你真的很烦人吗？
Yeah, I think so.
是的，我想是的。
That's why I don't know why you want to do this, because the people like, oh, my gosh!
这就是为什么我不知道你为什么要这样做，因为人们喜欢，哦，天哪！
I'm so sick of listening to her.
我实在听腻了她的话。
So self-absorbed, you know?
这么自恋你知道吗？
I'm sorry.
对不起。
I do feel that way genuinely.
我确实有这样的感觉。
And sometimes I feel like I earned it.
有时我觉得这是我应得的。
Miki Meek, a constant delight.
米基·米克（Miki Meek），永远的快乐。
Also a producer on our show.
也是我们节目的制作人。
Coming up, would you call yourself a dealer of delight?
接下来，你会称自己为快乐经销商吗？
Hmm?
唔？
You the Feds?
你是美联储？
I'mma deal with now?
我现在要处理吗？
I know it was a setup!
我知道这是一个安排！
[LAUGHTER] I knew it!
[笑声]我就知道！
Yes.
是的。
I'm full of delight, I'm slanging delight.
我满心欢喜，我满口欢喜。
You know what I'm saying?
你知道我在说什么吗？
I'm on the internet corners.
我在互联网角落。
What you need?
你需要什么？
What you need?
你需要什么？
I got it!
我得到了它！
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Bim Adewunmi taking over the show from Ira for the day.
我是 Bim Adewunmi，接替 Ira 主持今天的节目。
Yes, we are coming over here stealing your jobs.
是的，我们来这里抢了你的工作。
Today's show-- The Show of Delights.
今天的节目——欢乐秀。
Stories about how we go about making, and feeling, and actively seeking out delight, which is all around us, by the way.
顺便说一句，关于我们如何创造、感受以及积极寻找快乐的故事，这些快乐就在我们周围。
The poet Ross Gay, ambassador for delight, writes about a time he was in New York, and saw a man feeding a pigeon perched on his shoulder.
愉悦大使、诗人罗斯·盖伊（Ross Gay）写道，有一次他在纽约，看到一个男人正在喂一只停在他肩上的鸽子。
He looks closer, and sees--
他凑近一看，发现——
-- the bird dipping its head into the hand the man must have been holding very near to his own face, so that the feeding was not only kind of romantic, but alluded to that original feeding the bird experienced-- a mother dropping masticated vittles into the tiny chippers gaped mouth, which is, after all, the first romance.
——那只鸟把头伸进男人握着的手上，那只手一定离他自己的脸很近，这样喂食不仅是一种浪漫，而且还暗示了这只鸟最初的喂食经历——一位母亲将咀嚼过的食物滴进了小而张开的嘴里，这毕竟是第一个浪漫。
It sounds like something out of a children's picture book, doesn't it?
这听起来像是儿童图画书里的东西，不是吗？
Feeding, caring, being companions to our animals.
喂养、照顾我们的动物，成为它们的伴侣。
And with that, we've arrived at Act Four-- The Elephant in the Bedroom.
就这样，我们来到了第四幕——卧室里的大象。
Disa Skaff has a job that's out of a children's book.
迪萨·斯卡夫 (Disa Skaff) 的工作简直就像是儿童读物中的一样。
She's a night zookeeper at the Denver Zoo.
她是丹佛动物园的夜间动物园管理员。
So while most people are asleep, she's doling out snacks, checking the animals are warm and cozy, turning out their lights, and saying goodnight.
因此，当大多数人都在睡觉时，她会分发零食，检查动物是否温暖舒适，关掉灯，并道晚安。
Dana Chivvis recently spent a night with Disa at the zoo.
达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 最近与迪萨 (Disa) 在动物园度过了一晚。
Being at the zoo at night is like being backstage hours after a play has ended.
晚上在动物园就像一场演出结束后几个小时在后台。
The public is long gone.
公众早已不在了。
The vendors have packed up their Dippin' Dots and zoo swag.
商贩们已经收拾好了他们的 Dippin' Dots 和动物园的小玩意儿。
The paths that wind around the animal exhibits are empty and dark, and a little creepy.
环绕动物展览的小路空荡荡、黑暗，有点令人毛骨悚然。
I follow Disa's flashlight as we walk around.
当我们四处走动时，我跟着迪萨的手电筒。
Disa, your job is very dark.
迪莎，你的工作很黑暗。
Yeah, but you can see where you're walking.
是的，但你可以看到你正在走的地方。
Usually, it's just her, the security guards, another night zookeeper, and 3,000 wild animals.
通常只有她、保安、另一位夜间动物园管理员和 3000 只野生动物。
Disa has the best job in the whole world.
迪萨拥有全世界最好的工作。
See?
看？
We walk into a building through a back door-- the special zookeeper entrance.
我们通过后门走进一座建筑——动物园管理员的特殊入口。
Disa turns the lights on, and I see something I've never seen before-- an elephant on the ground, on his side, (WHISPERS) sleeping.
迪萨打开灯，我看到了一些我以前从未见过的东西——一头大象侧卧在地上，（低声）睡着了。
Describe it.
描述一下。
So Chuck is sleeping.
所以查克正在睡觉。
Oh, he's waking up.
哦，他醒了。
He just stretched his back leg out.
他只是伸出后腿。
He's got to push up with his front feet, doing some Upward Facing Dog stretch.
他必须用前脚向上推，做一些上犬式伸展运动。
And now he's ready for some food.
现在他准备好吃点东西了。
Each of the 450 different species at the zoo has its own nighttime routine, and Disa's put them to bed so many times by now, she knows their individual sleep preferences.
动物园里 450 种不同的物种都有自己的夜间作息，迪萨已经让它们上床睡觉很多次了，她知道它们各自的睡眠偏好。
Where they like to sleep, how they like to sleep, with whom they like to sleep.
他们喜欢在哪里睡觉、喜欢如何睡觉、喜欢和谁一起睡觉。
There's a lady lizard who uses a male lizard as a mattress, and lemurs who cuddle in branches.
有一只雌性蜥蜴以雄性蜥蜴为床垫，还有狐猴依偎在树枝上。
The gorillas are the touchiest about their sleep.
大猩猩对睡眠最为敏感。
Disa avoids them after 5:00.
5:00 后，迪萨就避开了他们。
Do any animals spoon?
有动物会用勺子吗？
Oh, a lot of animals spoon.
哦，很多动物都用勺子。
Our Red River hogs spoon.
我们的红河猪勺。
The Red River hogs?
红河猪？
Disa Skaff Yeah, we'll see them.
迪萨·斯卡夫：是的，我们会见到他们的。
They sleep like a pack of sausages.
他们睡得像一包香肠。
Sorry, hogs.
对不起，猪们。
I'm sure she means chicken sausages.
我确信她指的是鸡肉香肠。
There are one-year-old Komodo dragon siblings who sleep crammed together inside a log.
一岁大的科莫多龙兄弟姐妹挤在一根圆木里睡觉。
A quick aside, because I find it delightful-- those little Komodo guys don't have a father, because their mother impregnated herself.
顺便说一句，因为我觉得这很令人愉快——那些科莫多小家伙没有父亲，因为他们的母亲让自己怀孕了。
I'm not kidding.
我不是在开玩笑。
Female Komodo dragons can impregnate themselves.
雌性科莫多龙可以让自己怀孕。
Disa knows all the animals, many on a first-name basis.
迪萨认识所有的动物，其中很多动物都叫得上名字。
She checks on Daphne the crocodile, and Coco the porcupine, Murray the moray, and fern the bongo.
她检查了鳄鱼达芙妮、豪猪可可、海鳗默里和邦戈蕨。
She wants a treat.
她想要请客。
We're just saying night-night.
我们只是说夜夜。
These animals know Disa.
这些动物认识迪萨。
They have relationship.
他们有关系。
They're not alarmed to see us.
他们看到我们并不感到惊慌。
In fact, a lot of them seem expectant, like they've been waiting for her to come by and tuck them in.
事实上，他们中的很多人似乎都在期待，就像他们一直在等她过来给他们盖被子。
In the kangaroo section, everyone is crouching in a group.
袋鼠区，大家蹲成一团。
Goodnight, roos!
晚安，罗斯！
Dana Chivvis Bakari the zebra is still standing up.
斑马 Dana Chivvis Bakari 仍然站着。
Zebras can rest on their feet.
斑马可以用脚休息。
Good night, sir.
晚安，先生。
Dana Chivvis Bugsy and Boo otter literally cannot wait one more second for their dinner.
达纳·奇夫维斯·巴格西 (Dana Chivvis Bugsy) 和布水獭 (Boo otter) 的晚餐确实一刻都等不及。
[ANIMAL SOUNDS] I was going to play you a bunch more cute animal sounds here, but my editor said move it along.
[动物声音] 我本来打算在这里为您播放一些更可爱的动物声音，但我的编辑说继续播放。
So here's some music instead.
所以这里有一些音乐。
What's so charming about animals going to sleep?
动物睡觉有什么魅力？
Is it that we're seeing creatures that are so different from us doing something so familiar, reminding us of a commonality that we all have to do this one thing to survive?
是不是我们看到与我们如此不同的生物在做着如此熟悉的事情，提醒我们一个共同点：我们都必须做这一件事才能生存？
You know what?
你知道吗？
Who cares?
谁在乎？
Here's a baby flamingo who wants us to leave him alone so he can get some shut eye.
这是一只火烈鸟宝宝，他希望我们不要打扰他，这样他就可以闭目养神了。
[SQUAWKING INDIGNANTLY] Sorry!
[愤怒地尖叫]对不起！
Disa has the easygoing and gentle demeanor of someone who legitimately loves her job, a job we all said we wanted as kids, along with firefighter and astronaut.
迪萨举止随和、温柔，就像一个真正热爱自己工作的人，这份工作是我们小时候都想要的工作，还有消防员和宇航员。
And unlike the rest of us civilians at the zoo, she gets to have direct contact with the animals, take care of them, which she loves.
与我们动物园里的其他平民不同，她可以与动物直接接触，照顾它们，这是她喜欢的。
When I'm there, the zookeepers are hand-feeding Eleanor, a four-month-old kudu, which is a kind of antelope.
当我在那里时，动物园管理员正在手工喂养埃莉诺，这是一只四个月大的捻角羚，它是羚羊的一种。
Eleanor stands on spindly legs and chugs the entire bottle in one go.
埃莉诺站在细长的腿上，一口气喝完了整瓶酒。
[CHUGGING] Disa Skaff Good girl, Eleanor.
[CHUGGING] 迪萨·斯卡夫 好女孩，埃莉诺。
Eleanor's dad, Joe, comes over, looking for some treats, which Disa gives him.
埃莉诺的父亲乔过来寻找一些零食，迪萨给了他。
This is Joe, the dad.
这是乔，爸爸。
Dana Chivvis And then she does something else.
Dana Chivvis 然后她做了别的事情。
Did you just eat one of Joe's treats?
你刚刚吃了乔的一份零食吗？
Not at tasty as I thought they'd be.
不像我想象的那么好吃。
I just ate a little.
我刚吃了一点。
Like, that bit.
就像，那一点。
I take a bite.
我咬了一口。
It's kind of grassy.
有点长草了
Disa says primate biscuits aren't bad.
迪萨说灵长类饼干还不错。
Then we both confess to trying dog food when we were kids.
然后我们都承认小时候尝试过狗粮。
There is one animal who's having a rough go of it.
有一种动物正经历着艰难的日子。
We walk around to the back of the great ape house, and Disa points her flashlight at a tree.
我们绕到大猩猩屋的后面，迪萨用手电筒照着一棵树。
At the top, tangled up in some branches, is a sheet blowing gently in the wind.
顶部，缠着一些树枝，有一张床单在风中轻轻飘动。
One of the reasons we came down here is we have Jaya the orangutan.
我们来这里的原因之一是我们有猩猩贾亚。
Oh, my gosh!
哦，天哪！
Disa Skaff He is newer to the zoo.
迪萨·斯卡夫（Disa Skaff） 他是动物园的新手。
Is that-- Disa Skaff So he is currently sleeping in a tree.
是吗—— Disa Skaff 所以他现在正在树上睡觉。
Jaya should be inside, where it's warm.
贾亚应该在里面，那里很温暖。
Orangutans are from the rainforest of Sumatra and Borneo.
猩猩来自苏门答腊岛和婆罗洲的雨林。
And I sound this baffled because I really thought I was just looking at a wayward sheet caught in a tree.
我听起来很困惑，因为我真的以为我只是在看一张挂在树上的任性的床单。
But then the sheet moved.
但随后床单移动了。
Jaya was under it, clutching it tightly around his little body.
贾亚就在它下面，紧紧地抓住他小小的身体。
It really looks like there's a little person up there.
看起来确实有一个小人在那里。
Yeah.
是的。
Dana Chivvis Jaya has only been at the zoo for a few months.
达纳·奇夫维斯·贾亚 (Dana Chivvis Jaya) 才来到动物园几个月。
He moved here from a zoo in Minnesota in August.
他于八月从明尼苏达州的一家动物园搬到这里。
He's still getting used to it.
他还在习惯。
A few days ago something spooked him.
几天前，有件事让他感到害怕。
He retreated to the yard and climbed up a tree.
他退到院子里，爬上一棵树。
Do you worry about him in the cold like this?
这么冷的时候你还担心他吗？
We do worry about him, yeah.
我们确实担心他，是的。
So from the records today, it looks like the keeper took some binoculars and tried to look at his fingers and toes, to see if there are any signs of frostbite, and they're really bright red.
所以从今天的记录来看，看门人拿了一些双筒望远镜，试图观察他的手指和脚趾，看看是否有冻伤的迹象，而且它们真的是鲜红色的。
So we'll just check on him throughout the night.
所以我们会整夜检查他的情况。
I guess one of the complicated things about delight is that it can exist, like a kernel, at the center of misfortune.
我想关于快乐的复杂事情之一是它可以像内核一样存在于不幸的中心。
Sometimes delight is found in the ability to take care of another living thing that needs you.
有时，能够照顾另一个需要你的生物会让人感到高兴。
It's nice to be needed.
被需要真是太好了。
Why, is he the best?
为什么，他是最好的？
Disa Skaff He's like a puppy.
迪萨·斯卡夫 他就像一只小狗。
Yeah?
是的？
Disa Skaff So he's really gentle and nice.
迪萨·斯卡夫（Disa Skaff） 所以他真的很温柔又友善。
Mostly, I think I love Rudy because most of the animals that I have built a relationship with because I see them all the time.
大多数情况下，我认为我喜欢鲁迪，因为我与大多数动物建立了关系，因为我一直看到它们。
It's usually because I give them food.
通常是因为我给他们食物。
Rudy, I do not give him food, but he will come to me when I call him.
鲁迪，我不给他食物，但当我呼唤他时，他会来找我。
If he's outside and I need him to come inside because it's too cold, I call him, and he'll come over.
如果他在外面，而我因为太冷而需要他进来，我会给他打电话，他就会过来。
Yeah, he responds to me, and I don't know, he's my best friend.
是的，他回应了我，我不知道，他是我最好的朋友。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
This thing about Rudy and what a nice guy he is, what if the joy we get from interacting with animals, the idea that we can have relationships of mutual affection, is a total illusion?
关于鲁迪，他是一个多么好的人，如果我们从与动物互动中获得的快乐，以及我们可以建立相互感情关系的想法完全是幻觉呢？
What if the truth is that, for these animals anyway, our relationships are mostly transactional?
如果事实是，对于这些动物来说，我们的关系主要是交易性的怎么办？
Does the delight then disappear?
那么喜悦会消失吗？
Or maybe that is the transaction?
或者也许这就是交易？
We give them food and they give us delight.
我们给他们食物，他们给我们带来快乐。
Just got a text message.
刚刚收到一条短信。
Dana Chivvis There's one last moment I want to tell you about.
Dana Chivvis 我想告诉你最后一刻。
So one of our hoof stock keepers, Matt, is asking if we can check on Charlie's guillotine door to make sure it got closed.
因此，我们的一位蹄畜饲养员马特询问我们是否可以检查查理的断头台门，以确保它已关闭。
He's sure he did it, but you know how it is.
他确信他做到了，但你知道那是怎么回事。
He'll wake up at 2:00 AM in a panic.
他会在凌晨 2:00 惊慌失措中醒来。
Charlie is a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig.
查理是一只越南大腹猪。
His day-keeper, Matt, couldn't remember if he'd shut the door to his yard.
他的看门人马特不记得他是否关上了院子的门。
We go to check on Charlie, and, yes, his door is closed.
我们去查看查理的情况，是的，他的门关着。
He's completely sacked out.
他彻底被解雇了。
He's made himself a big nest of hay, somehow managed to cover most of his body with it, his head included.
他用干草给自己做了一个大窝，不知怎么地用它覆盖了他的大部分身体，包括他的头。
So all we can see is his belly rising and falling with each deep, sleepy breath.
所以我们只能看到他的腹部随着每一次深沉、困倦的呼吸而起伏。
'Night Charlie!
“夜查理！
Good boy!
好孩子！
Dana Chivvis I like Charlie.
达纳·奇维斯 我喜欢查理。
He's terse, but uncomplicated, you know?
他很简洁，但并不复杂，你知道吗？
He knows his name.
他知道他的名字。
He recognizes that Disa is talking to him and he responds.
他意识到迪萨正在和他说话，他做出了回应。
They're communicating across species.
他们正在跨物种进行交流。
For me, this one short interaction contains all the magic of her job.
对我来说，这一短暂的互动包含了她工作的所有魔力。
Disa and a pig are talking to each other.
迪萨和一头猪正在互相交谈。
Dana Chivvis, whose love for her dog delights me, co-produced today's show.
达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 联合制作了今天的节目，她对她的狗的爱让我很高兴。
And for those of you who care, Jaya the orangutan is back indoors, frostbite free.
对于那些关心的人来说，猩猩贾亚已经回到室内，没有冻伤。
Act Five-- Delight At the End of the Tunnel.
第五幕——隧道尽头的喜悦。
I suspect that it's simply a feature of being an adult, what I will call being grown, or a grown person--
我怀疑这只是作为一个成年人的一个特征，我称之为成长，或者一个成年人——
Again, Ross Gay.
又是罗斯·盖伊。
Ross Gay -- to have endured some variety of thorough emotional turmoil, to have made your way to the brink, and if you're lucky, to have stepped back from it, if not permanently, then for some time, or time to time.
罗斯·盖伊（Ross Gay）——经历过各种彻底的情感动荡，走到了崩溃的边缘，如果幸运的话，能够从悬崖上退缩，即使不是永久的，也会持续一段时间，或者时不时地。
This is delight number 100-- "Grown." Ross goes on to talk about the importance of seeing things as they are, in the moment where you don't feel panic, or despair, or doom.
这是第 100 号快乐——“成长”。罗斯接着谈到了在不感到恐慌、绝望或厄运的那一刻看到事物本来面目的重要性。
And knowing what I have felt before, and might feel again, feel a sense of relief, which is cousin to, or rather, water to delight.
知道我以前的感受，以及可能再次感受到的感受，感受到一种如释重负的感觉，这与水的喜悦是相近的，或者更确切地说，是水与喜悦的关系。
This last story is about someone who's defined by delight, but then loses it.
最后一个故事是关于一个人被快乐所定义，但后来却失去了它。
I first got to know her through her blog, Little Known Black History Facts, which is one of my favorite things.
我第一次认识她是通过她的博客“鲜为人知的黑人历史事实”，这是我最喜欢的事情之一。
It's an affectionate parody of the Black History Month rollout of African-American excellence that happens every February.
这是对每年二月举行的黑人历史月展示非裔美国人卓越表现的深情模仿。
But the achievements on this site, they're all made up.
但这个网站上的成就，都是编出来的。
Things like, inventor of the church clap, or first person to put more than 25 barrettes in one child's hair at one time.
比如，教堂鼓掌的发明者，或者第一个同时在一个孩子的头发上戴上超过 25 个发夹的人。
You know, black people stuff.
你知道，黑人的事。
The person behind these perfectly observed jokes is one of the funniest people I know.
这些完美笑话背后的人是我认识的最有趣的人之一。
Her name is Tracy Clayton, although, you may know her as Brokey McPoverty on the internet, where she has legions of fans.
她的名字叫特雷西·克莱顿（Tracy Clayton），不过，您可能在互联网上知道她是布罗基·麦克波蒂（Brokey McPoverty），她在互联网上拥有大批粉丝。
Tracy ran Little Known Black History Facts for five years.
特雷西经营了《鲜为人知的黑人历史事实》五年。
She's the creator of so many of my favorite things, but Little Known Black History Facts is the one I think about most often, even if Tracy doesn't.
她是我最喜欢的许多东西的创造者，但鲜为人知的黑人历史事实是我最常想到的，即使特蕾西不这么认为。
Do you remember anything from that ridiculous blog?
您还记得那个可笑的博客中的任何内容吗？
No. Bim Adewunmi There was Derek Morris, who was the first person to rap loudly to himself while standing at a bus stop.
不，Bim Adewunmi 是德里克·莫里斯 (Derek Morris)，他是第一个站在公交车站大声自言自语的人。
[LAUGHTER] There was Haverford Bliss, and he was the first person to renege in a game of spades.
[笑声] 哈弗福德·布利斯 (Haverford Bliss) 是第一个在黑桃游戏中食言的人。
You know what?
你知道吗？
I don't even play spades.
我什至不玩黑桃。
I just know that that is a bad thing, I think.
我只知道这是一件坏事，我想。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
That's right.
没错。
There was also George G.
还有乔治·G.
Money Spencer, who was the first-- [LAUGHS] he was the first person to end every sentence with, "it is what it is."
莫尼·斯宾塞（Money Spencer），他是第一个——[笑]他是第一个在每句话结尾都用“就是这样”的人。
Hmm.
唔。
AKA, the patron saint of reality shows.
又名真人秀节目的守护神。
Because they say that all the time.
因为他们一直这么说。
Exactly.
确切地。
Tracy Clayton At the end of the day, it is what it is.
特雷西·克莱顿 归根结底，事情就是这样。
[LAUGHTER] Bim Adewunmi Another great one-- Tracy and I are friends now, but I was a fan first.
[笑声] Bim Adewunmi 另一个伟大的人——特雷西和我现在是朋友了，但我首先是粉丝。
A big fan.
一个大粉丝。
What makes her comedy so good is her incredible observation skills.
她的喜剧如此出色的原因在于她令人难以置信的观察能力。
She works from a position of what the southern writer Kiese Layman calls "black abundance." Her references come from her own black American experience, growing up in Louisville, Kentucky, as well as wider culture.
她的工作立场被南方作家基泽·莱曼（Kiese Layman）称为“黑人丰富”。她的参考资料来自她自己在肯塔基州路易斯维尔长大的美国黑人经历以及更广泛的文化。
She marries high concept to the very silly, and Little Known Black History Facts was just one of the many things she created.
她将崇高的理念与非常愚蠢的事物结合在一起，而鲜为人知的黑人历史事实只是她创造的众多事物之一。
Tracy is a one-woman production line of golden internet content.
特雷西是一条黄金互联网内容的单人生产线。
That gifted brain of hers spots delights and amplifies it.
她那天才的大脑发现了快乐并放大了它。
In fact, it felt like Tracy's entire life was about cultivating glee.
事实上，感觉特雷西的一生都是为了培养欢乐。
And then, seemingly at the height of her powers, she just stopped making stuff.
然后，似乎在她权力的鼎盛时期，她就停止了创作。
She lost her ability to feel delight.
她失去了感受快乐的能力。
I felt like I was laying on the bottom of the ocean floor and looking up, and I could see like the sun, and people on the beach somehow, but I'm just miles, and miles, and leagues, and leagues away from it.
我感觉自己躺在海底，抬头仰望，我可以看到太阳，也可以看到海滩上的人们，但我距离它只有几英里、几英里、几里格。
Things got really bad for Tracy, and for her that was extreme, because delight wasn't just a job, it was also her identity.
对于特雷西来说，事情变得非常糟糕，对她来说这是极端的，因为快乐不仅仅是一份工作，也是她的身份。
This is a story of what happened when things went dark for Tracy, and how she made it back to a place of delight.
这是一个关于特蕾西陷入黑暗时所发生的事情以及她如何回到快乐之地的故事。
In 2015, Tracy and her friend, Heben Nigatu, began making a weekly podcast with BuzzFeed, called Another Round.
2015 年，Tracy 和她的朋友 Heben Nigatu 开始与 BuzzFeed 一起制作每周一次的播客，名为 Another Round。
Hi, everyone.
大家好。
I'm Heben.
我是赫本。
Tracy Clayton I'm Tracy.
特雷西·克莱顿 我是特雷西。
And welcome to another round with Heben and Tracy.
欢迎与 Heben 和 Tracy 一起参加另一轮比赛。
What was that?
那是什么？
Tracy Clayton I don't know.
特雷西·克莱顿 我不知道。
[LAUGHTER] Bim Adewunmi There was nothing else like it at the time, two black women trading witty banter, and talking about the stuff that was important to them fueled by their natural chemistry, and, of course, given the name of the show, a good amount of booze.
[笑声] Bim Adewunmi 当时没有什么比这更好的了，两个黑人女性互相开玩笑，谈论对她们来说很重要的东西，这些东西是由她们的自然化学反应推动的，当然，考虑到节目的名字，还有大量的酒。
Another Round did so much so well-- interviews with academics, comedians, and MacArthur geniuses, like Lin Manuel Miranda and Nikole Hannah-Jones.
另一轮做得非常好——采访了学者、喜剧演员和麦克阿瑟天才，比如林·曼努尔·米兰达和尼科尔·汉娜·琼斯。
They even interviewed then presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton.
他们甚至采访了当时的总统候选人希拉里·克林顿。
But that was only part of it.
但这只是其中的一部分。
Their show was funny, intellectual, thoughtful, and also deeply brilliantly silly.
他们的节目很有趣、充满智慧、有思想，但也非常愚蠢。
I loved their quizzes.
我喜欢他们的测验。
One of Heben's masterpieces was a multiple choice quiz on fake names, or as she put it--
赫本的杰作之一是关于假名的多项选择测验，或者用她的话说——
Is This A White Man's Name Or Just Some Syllables I Mashed Together, British Edition.
这是一个白人的名字还是我把一些音节混在一起，英国版。
British people already have super weird names.
英国人已经有了超级奇怪的名字。
They're just doing the most already anyway.
无论如何，他们只是做了最多的事情。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
In this quiz, Tracy had to guess which of the names Heben was reading belonged to an actual real person.
在这个测验中，特雷西必须猜测赫本所读到的哪个名字属于真实的人。
I quit.
我不干了。
Heben Nigatu Tristram Hunt.
赫本·尼加图·崔斯特瑞姆·亨特。
Rimram Pendleton.
里姆拉姆·彭德尔顿。
I'm going to say it's one of the last two.
我想说的是，这是最后两个之一。
I vote for Tristram.
我投票给崔斯特瑞姆。
You're correct!
你是对的！
Oh, my god!
我的天啊！
Tracy, I'm so proud of you!
特雷西，我为你感到骄傲！
Another Round was a hit.
另一轮很受欢迎。
They were doing live shows, selling out venues across the country and abroad.
他们进行现场表演，在全国和国外的场馆门票销售一空。
They won awards.
他们获奖了。
They sold merchandise.
他们出售商品。
Heben and Tracy were being recognized by fans in the street.
赫本和特蕾西在街上被粉丝认出了。
As it grew, the show was getting more demanding to make.
随着节目的发展，节目的制作要求也越来越高。
It needed more money, more staff, more time, and they weren't getting any of that.
它需要更多的资金、更多的员工、更多的时间，但他们却一无所获。
Then Heben left BuzzFeed.
然后 Heben 离开了 BuzzFeed。
She took a job at The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, and came back to record new episodes when she could.
她在斯蒂芬·科尔伯特的《深夜秀》中找到了一份工作，并在可能的情况下回来录制新剧集。
But things weren't the same.
但事情不一样了。
Tracy understood, but it was still hard on both of them.
特雷西明白，但这对他们俩来说仍然很难。
We didn't have a good way to manage that transition.
我们没有一个好的方法来管理这种转变。
And I think that since I was the only one in the building who was accessible all the time, a lot of the work fell on me and my shoulders.
我认为，由于我是大楼里唯一随时可以出入的人，所以很多工作就落在了我和我的肩上。
I'm happy to do the work, but I got tired and didn't know it, you know?
我很高兴做这份工作，但我累了，但我却不知道，你知道吗？
I would wake up, like, oh, my god.
我会醒来，就像，哦，天哪。
Again.
再次。
You know?
你知道？
I can't do this, but I'm doing it anyway.
我做不到这一点，但我还是要做。
I was working at BuzzFeed during this time, and ended up co-hosting three episodes, sitting in for either Tracy or Heben.
这段时间我在 BuzzFeed 工作，最终共同主持了三集，分别担任 Tracy 或 Heben。
There's one episode in particular that really sticks in my mind.
其中有一个情节让我印象特别深刻。
So everyone, Heben sends all of her love from the very, very, very top and bottom of her heart.
所以大家啊，赫本，发自内心非常非常非常的爱。
She is going to be back soon.
她很快就会回来。
She's still busy making magic and stuff with Mr. Colbert.
她还在忙着和科尔伯特先生一起变魔术之类的东西。
But in the meantime and in between time, we've got a Bim in the studio!
但与此同时，我们的工作室里有一个 Bim！
[VOCALIZING] (SINGING) Bim in the studio!
[发声]（唱歌）Bim 在录音室里！
My shoulders are working!
我的肩膀正在工作！
Tracy Clayton Hit them with the shoulders!
特蕾西·克莱顿 用肩膀打他们！
[SCATTING] Bim Adewunmi It was a ridiculous time.
[SCATTING] Bim Adewunmi 那是一段荒谬的时光。
That seems like so much fun.
这看起来很有趣。
Bim Adewunmi It was the funnest episode.
Bim Adewunmi 这是最有趣的一集。
And I think afterwards, I was talking to you, and it was like, OK, well, we finished that up.
我想后来我和你说话的时候，感觉就像是，好吧，我们完成了。
We're done recording.
我们已经录制完成了。
And I was like, so what are you up to for the rest of the day?
我当时想，那你今天剩下的时间要做什么？
And you said, back to bed for a depression nap.
你说，回到床上小憩一下，缓解抑郁症。
The minute the mic went off, you were like, all right.
麦克风一响，你就觉得，好吧。
I'm out.
我出去了。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
Back to my real life.
回到我的现实生活。
That's very true.
这是非常正确的。
You remember that at all?
你还记得吗？
Tracy Clayton No, not that.
特雷西·克莱顿 不，不是那样。
I mean, I remember that episode and that stuff, but I don't remember the depression nap stuff.
我的意思是，我记得那一集和那些东西，但我不记得抑郁症小睡的东西。
And I think that's because I was depressed, and your memory it's not there.
我想那是因为我很沮丧，而你的记忆不存在了。
Also, when everyday feels like another day, and another day, I couldn't even tell you what year that happened.
而且，当每一天都像是又一天又一天时，我什至无法告诉你那是哪一年发生的。
But it sounds about right.
但这听起来是对的。
I feel like that's the theme for a pretty long period of my life.
我觉得这是我生命中很长一段时间的主题。
Listening back to the episodes of the show that aired during this dark period, it's hard to discern that anything was amiss.
回顾一下在这段黑暗时期播出的节目，很难看出有什么问题。
And that's because Tracy proved to be adept at employing that age-old showbiz trick-- she faked it.
那是因为特蕾西被证明很擅长运用演艺界古老的伎俩——她假装了。
Having to fake the funk, as it were, was driven mostly by, I can't let other people down.
不得不假装恐惧，可以说，主要是因为我不能让其他人失望。
And it was also like muscle memory, I guess.
我想这也就像肌肉记忆一样。
I'm really, really, really good at smalltalk.
我真的真的真的很擅长闲聊。
When you are faking delight, do you feel delight?
当你假装快乐时，你感到快乐吗？
Does it bleed into it?
它会渗入其中吗？
Yeah.
是的。
I would get lost and caught up in the conversation.
我会迷失方向并陷入谈话中。
So I did have chances to get carried away.
所以我确实有机会得意忘形。
The effects were not long-term, but it did give me a nice little break, little pockets of OK-ness here and there.
效果不是长期的，但它确实给了我一个很好的休息，到处都有一点点好起来。
But I tell you what, as soon as the interviews and stuff were over, stepping out of the studio, it was just like I had gone 12 rounds with Tyson.
但我告诉你，当采访和其他事情结束后，走出演播室，我就像和泰森打了 12 回合一样。
The show eventually went on hiatus.
该节目最终中断了。
Tracy went on disability.
特雷西继续残疾。
At first it was a relief to just stay home.
起初，呆在家里是一种解脱。
Leaving the house would have meant dealing with New York-- the noise, the people, the subway.
离开家就意味着要面对纽约——噪音、人群、地铁。
But then Tracy realized she was staying in because she was afraid to leave her apartment.
但后来特雷西意识到她之所以留在家里是因为她害怕离开她的公寓。
This one time I was supposed to go somewhere.
这一次我应该去某个地方。
I was all dressed.
我已经穿戴整齐了。
Somehow, by the grace of God, and whoever else was watching, I was dressed.
不知怎的，靠着上帝的恩典，无论其他人在看，我都穿好了衣服。
I looked decent.
我看起来很不错。
I didn't look depressed, quote, unquote.
我看起来并不沮丧，引述，反引述。
And I got to the door of my apartment, and I thought about the trek on the subway.
当我到达公寓门口时，我想起了在地铁上的长途跋涉。
And I was like, I can't.
我当时想，我不能。
And I didn't go out.
而我也没有出去。
I put myself through all of that, getting dressed.
我经历了这一切，穿好衣服。
It had taken hours for this to happen.
这花了几个小时才发生。
And I'm fighting with myself.
而我正在和自己作斗争。
Be kind to yourself.
善待自己。
It's OK if your eyebrows don't match.
如果你的眉毛不匹配也没关系。
It's OK if it's taking you four hours to get ready.
如果您需要四个小时来准备也没关系。
Just do it.
去做就对了。
And then, by the time I got to the door, I expended so much energy getting myself together, I cannot also expend energy trying to make my brain focus on which stop do I get off of?
然后，当我到达门口时，我花了很多精力让自己振作起来，我也无法花费精力让我的大脑专注于我该在哪一站下车？
She did less and less, and the fact that she was doing less made her feel even worse.
她做的事情越来越少，而且做的越来越少，这让她感觉更糟。
She turned her quick, talented mind inwards, turned herself into a target, and was relentless at attacking herself.
她将自己敏捷、才华横溢的头脑转向内心，把自己变成一个目标，毫不留情地攻击自己。
She couldn't turn it off.
她无法将其关闭。
Tracy stopped cleaning her apartment, barely changed clothes.
特雷西不再打扫她的公寓，几乎没有换衣服。
I just remembered being in my room on my bed.
我只记得在我房间的床上。
The entire place is a mess.
整个地方一片混乱。
And I was just laying and I was thinking about how nobody knows that right now, this is where I am.
我只是躺着，想着现在怎么没人知道，这就是我所在的地方。
And I remember getting my phone to text my friend Teddy, who live in Louisville.
我记得用手机给住在路易斯维尔的朋友泰迪发短信。
And I was just like, I'm having a tough time and I just need somebody to know it.
我当时想，我正经历着一段艰难的时光，我只是需要有人知道。
And he was very gracious.
他非常和蔼可亲。
He was like, I'm glad that you reached out.
他说，我很高兴你伸出援手。
And I know it now, but-- I don't know.
我现在知道了，但是——我不知道。
There was something about just wanting somebody to know that you're sad.
只是想让别人知道你很难过。
That I was like, wow, I'm really sad.
我当时想，哇，我真的很难过。
After almost a year of feeling truly terrible, Tracy had something that felt like a breakthrough.
在经历了近一年的真正糟糕的感觉之后，特雷西有了一些突破。
It started with a ritual she'd been doing every night for months.
这一切始于她几个月来每天晚上都在做的一个仪式。
Oh, there was this moment when I realized that Otis Redding's "Sitting On The Dock of the Bay" is about depression.
哦，就在这一刻，我意识到奥蒂斯·雷丁的《坐在海湾的码头》是关于抑郁症的。
And I was like, oh, my gosh!
我当时想，哦，天哪！
This entire time?
这整个时间？
Are you kidding me?
你在开玩笑吧？
I thought it was some old man song about fishing, because I only knew the chorus.
我以为这是一首关于钓鱼的老人歌，因为我只知道副歌部分。
But the words, oh, my gosh.
但是这句话，哦，天哪。
"Sitting on the dock of the bay, watching the tide roll away." Yeah.
“坐在海湾的码头上，看潮水滚滚而去。”是的。
Just wasting time.
只是浪费时间。
Just like nothing else to do, nowhere else to go.
就像无事可做，无处可去一样。
So Tracy had a playlist of sad songs, including "Sitting On The Dock Of The Bay," and every night around 9:00 PM, she'd stand at the window of her apartment, smoking, and drinking, and looking down at the street, feeling like a caricature of a sad girl.
因此，特蕾西有一个悲伤歌曲的播放列表，其中包括《坐在海湾的码头上》，每天晚上 9:00 左右，她都会站在公寓的窗前，抽烟、喝酒，低头看着街道，感觉就像一个悲伤女孩的漫画。
And this one night, after however many months of this ritual, I just started to dance.
这一晚，在这个仪式进行了好几个月之后，我才开始跳舞。
First, it was a little sway to whatever song was playing.
首先，无论播放什么歌曲，它都会产生一点影响。
It may have been the Otis Redding song, because, I mean, it's got a little-- (SINGING AND SNAPPING ALONG IN TIME) Sitting on the dock of the bay, wasting time.
这可能是奥蒂斯·雷丁的歌，因为，我的意思是，它有一点——（随着时间的流逝而歌唱）坐在海湾的码头上，浪费时间。
You know?
你知道？
You can two step a little bit to it.
你可以稍微迈两步。
And after that I was like, maybe I want to listen to other things to dance to.
在那之后我想，也许我想听其他的东西来跳舞。
And so, I switched to a different playlist.
因此，我切换到了不同的播放列表。
Couldn't tell you what it was.
无法告诉你那是什么。
And I think I danced for an hour-- danced, and smoked, and just drank.
我想我跳了一个小时——跳舞、抽烟、喝酒。
And it felt good, and I was smiling, and I was confused.
感觉很好，我微笑着，但我很困惑。
But I was like, don't pick it apart.
但我当时想，不要把它拆开。
And also, I could feel how ridiculous I probably looked.
而且，我能感觉到我的样子可能是多么可笑。
Because, I mean, it's not like I was two-stepping the whole time, right?
因为，我的意思是，我并不是一直在走两步，对吧？
It was just some weird interpretive, can this muscle still move?
这只是一些奇怪的解释，这块肌肉还能动吗？
Can I still do a backbend?
我还可以做后弯吗？
I cannot.
我不能。
I learned that.
我了解到了这一点。
[LAUGHS] But it felt-- I don't know, it almost felt like my body was trying to reach my brain somehow.
[笑]但感觉——我不知道，几乎感觉就像我的身体试图以某种方式到达我的大脑。
Because it wasn't my brain that told my body to start dancing, I'm pretty sure.
因为不是我的大脑告诉我的身体开始跳舞，我很确定。
I think my body was like, you know what?
我想我的身体就像，你知道吗？
You know who I haven't talked to in a long time?
你知道我已经很久没和谁说话了吗？
The brain.
大脑。
Let me check in with the brain and see how things are going.
让我检查一下大脑，看看事情进展如何。
Oh, terribly?
哦，可怕吗？
Well, let's dance a little bit.
好吧，让我们跳一点舞吧。
During these months, she also looked at professionals, and she chose a couple who looked like her, understood her.
这几个月里，她也看了专业人士，选择了一对像她、理解她的情侣。
They are all-- and when I say "all" I mean both my therapist and my psychiatrist-- don't know how it happened, but they are both black women.
她们——当我说“全部”时，我指的是我的治疗师和精神科医生——不知道事情是如何发生的，但她们都是黑人女性。
Yay.
耶。
Tracy Clayton They will both do-- not interviews-- sessions online.
特雷西·克莱顿（Tracy Clayton） 他们都将在网上进行——而不是采访——会议。
So I didn't have to move-- leave my house when I couldn't.
所以我不必搬家——当我不能搬家时就离开我的家。
I didn't have to put on pants when I couldn't.
当我不能穿裤子时，我就不必穿裤子。
One day I got emotional because I woke up late and I forgot about my appointment.
有一天，我情绪激动，因为我起晚了，忘记了我的约会。
So I'm on the little Skype or whatever, I had my bonnet on.
所以我戴上帽子，使用小型 Skype 或其他什么设备。
And I was like, I'm so sorry that I still have this bonnet on.
我当时想，我很抱歉我还戴着这顶帽子。
I know it's not professional.
我知道这不专业。
And my therapist said, it's OK.
我的治疗师说，没关系。
I wear one too.
我也穿一件。
And I was like, every black girl should know what this is, you know?
我当时想，每个黑人女孩都应该知道这是什么，你知道吗？
And since then I just show up in my bonnet, like, what's up?
从那时起我就戴着帽子出现，就像，怎么了？
Eventually, sometime last year, Tracy found herself asking variations of the same question.
最终，去年的某个时候，特雷西发现自己在问同一个问题的不同版本。
She thinks Heben might have mentioned it.
她认为赫本可能提到过这件事。
It was this-- is there anything good that your depression has given you?
就是这样——你的抑郁症给你带来了什么好处吗？
It sounded perverse, but she couldn't stop thinking about it, couldn't stop mulling the question.
这听起来有些反常，但她却无法停止思考，无法停止思考这个问题。
And she found that thinking about the answers made her feel good.
她发现思考这些答案让她感觉很好。
When she mentioned it to her therapist, she told Tracy that finding something good in a bad situation could be a good sign of healing.
当她向治疗师提到这一点时，她告诉特雷西，在糟糕的情况下找到好的东西可能是治愈的好兆头。
And I was like, sounds fake, but what do you mean?
我当时想，听起来很假，但你是什么意思？
She was like, she said the thing really helps you connect with your emotions.
她说，这东西真的可以帮助你与你的情绪建立联系。
But I don't know what that means.
但我不知道这意味着什么。
I don't know what it means to connect with an emotion.
我不知道与情感联系意味着什么。
I feel it.
我感觉到了。
I recognize it.
我认得。
I don't want it.
我不想要它。
I don't like it.
我不喜欢它。
I'm ignoring it.
我忽略它。
I guess that's what she means.
我想这就是她的意思。
[LAUGHTER] Bim Adewunmi I think you're answering the question.
[笑声] Bim Adewunmi 我认为你正在回答这个问题。
All right.
好的。
I can check that off my to-do list.
我可以把它从我的待办事项清单上划掉。
So with the question in mind, Tracy started rising in a brand new journal, not unlike Ross Gay's book of delights.
因此，带着这个问题，特雷西开始在一本全新的期刊中崛起，这与罗斯·盖伊的《欢乐之书》没什么不同。
She calls it a gratitude journal, which sounds earnest.
她称之为感恩日记，听起来很认真。
And yes, she's aware, not very cool.
是的，她知道，不是很酷。
It's a simple practice.
这是一个简单的练习。
A couple of times a week, she writes down what she's grateful for.
她每周几次写下她感激的事情。
When she started, she didn't have much faith.
刚开始的时候，她并没有太大的信心。
A few months ago, I'd have been like, this is just the most ridiculous-- you know?
几个月前，我会想，这真是最荒谬的——你知道吗？
It's not going to work.
这是行不通的。
People were like, get up and walk around the block, and you won't be depressed.
人们会说，站起来绕着街区走走，你就不会感到沮丧了。
Yes, I will.
是的，我会。
And eventually this gratitude journal is going to turn into a chore, another thing that I can't keep up.
最终，这本感恩日记将变成一件苦差事，另一件我无法跟上的事情。
That has not happened at all.
那根本没有发生。
It really helps to remember good things that happen to you.
记住发生在你身上的美好事情确实很有帮助。
It's been shockingly effective.
这非常有效。
In his delight essayette, "Bird Feeding," the poet Ross Gay witnesses a man feeding a pigeon in the park.
诗人罗斯·盖伊在他的散文《喂鸟》中目睹了一个人在公园里喂鸽子。
Less than 30 seconds later, he watches another bird-- a tufted tit mouse this time-- swoop down into the hand of a different, wholly unconnected person.
不到 30 秒后，他看到另一只鸟——这次是一只簇毛山雀——猛扑到另一个完全不相干的人的手中。
A lovely moment twice over.
美好的时刻已经过去两次了。
But he wouldn't have noticed that second bird, he said, if the first bird hadn't prepared him to see it.
但他说，如果第一只鸟没有让他做好准备，他就不会注意到第二只鸟。
Tracy's fans thought of her as their first bird, not only a delightful person by herself, but also a doorway to more delight.
特雷西的粉丝认为她是他们的第一只鸟，她不仅是一个令人愉快的人，而且还是通向更多欢乐的大门。
Now, she's figuring out how to be her own first bird, to develop a system to do for herself what had previously come naturally.
现在，她正在研究如何成为自己的第一只鸟，开发一个系统来为自己做以前自然而然的事情。
Tracy's back at work.
特雷西回来工作了。
She's making new podcasts, interviewing people, being hilarious.
她正在制作新的播客，采访人们，并且很搞笑。
She's not faking it.
她没有假装。
When her mom calls with her four-year-old great nephew Jayden, she's able to pick up the phone, even if it's hard at first sometimes.
当她妈妈给她四岁的曾侄子杰登打电话时，她能够接电话，即使一开始有时很难。
She'd call, I'd answer the phone.
她打电话，我接电话。
I'm like, yeah, not doing great.
我想，是的，做得不太好。
I want to get off the phone.
我想挂掉电话。
She was like, OK.
她说，好吧。
And then she calls Jayden in, and I'm just like, oh.
然后她叫杰登进来，我就说，哦。
Because he's got so much energy!
因为他的能量实在是太强大了！
When I don't have the energy, he still has the energy.
当我没有精力的时候，他还有精力。
So sometimes I'm just like, get this kid away from me!
所以有时候我就想，把这个孩子从我身边带走吧！
And I loved him, love him to death, but I just couldn't do it in times of high stress.
我爱他，爱他爱得要死，但在压力很大的时候我就是做不到。
And the first thing he says when sees me is, oh, hey, Tracy.
当他看到我时说的第一句话是，哦，嘿，特雷西。
[LAUGHS] Like I just interrupted him from doing something.
[笑]就像我刚刚打断了他做某事一样。
His important four-year-old duties.
他四岁时的重要职责。
Hey, Jayden.
嘿，杰登。
How are you doing?
你好吗？
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
巴拉，巴拉，巴拉，巴拉。
And then my mom will go, ask her the question.
然后我妈妈就会去问她这个问题。
And then I'm just like, ugh, I don't feel like it.
然后我就想，呃，我不喜欢这样。
But then he said, OK, I have a question.
但后来他说，好吧，我有一个问题。
And then I'm like, what's your question, Jayden?
然后我就问，你的问题是什么，杰登？
Why are you so cute?
你为什么这么可爱？
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
And I instantly just perk up and smile.
我立即振作起来并微笑。
I know what the question is going to be.
我知道问题是什么。
I know I still don't have an answer.
我知道我仍然没有答案。
And I know, even as he's saying it, I'm just like, it's not going to work.
我知道，即使他这么说，我还是觉得，这行不通。
But as soon as he says it, I'm just like, I don't know, man!
但他一说出来，我就想，我不知道，伙计！
Why you so cute?
你怎么这么可爱？
I don't know!
我不知道！
Being able to deal with family and a hugely energetic child is definitely a sign of mama's coming back.
能够处理家庭和精力充沛的孩子绝对是妈妈回来的标志。
Sophia home now.
索菲亚现在回家了。
This is the blackest This American Life has ever been.
这是《美国生活》有史以来最黑暗的一次。
Tracy Clayton is the host of the podcast Strong Black Legends.
特雷西·克莱顿是播客《坚强的黑人传奇》的主持人。
Our program today was produced by me and Dana Chivvis.
我们今天的节目是由我和 Dana Chivvis 制作的。
Our staff includes Elna Baker, Emanuele Berry, Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Nora Gale, Damien Gray, Michelle Harris, Miki Meek, Lina Misitzis, Stowe Nelson, Catherine Raymondo, Ben Falen, Nadia Reiman, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
我们的员工包括 Elna Baker、Emanuele Berry、Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Nora Gale、Damien Gray、Michelle Harris、Miki Meek、Lina Misitzis、Stowe Nelson、Catherine Raymondo、Ben Falen、Nadia Reiman、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike。
Our managing editor is Diane Wu.
我们的总编辑是 Diane Wu。
Our executive editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的执行编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Special thanks today to Heben Nigatu, Michael Mackenzie, Emily Miles, Ethan Fried, Amy Marsalla, and Joanna Kagan.
今天特别感谢 Heben Nigatu、Michael Mackenzie、Emily Miles、Ethan Fried、Amy Marsalla 和 Joanna Kagan。
Our website is thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站是 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks to my boss, Ira Glass, who guided me as I hosted the show this week.
感谢我的老板艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)，他在我主持本周的节目时为我提供了指导。
He really got stuck in.
他真的陷进去了。
Though it did get a little annoying when he brought his soup into the studio.
不过，当他把汤带进工作室时，确实有点烦人。
I'm Bim Adewunmi.
我是比姆·阿德温米。
Ira Glass will be back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯将于下周回归，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。