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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass OK, so one of my co-workers, David Kestenbaum, started telling me about this thing.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 好的，我的一位同事 David Kestenbaum 开始告诉我这件事。
And really, I thought he was completely-- I just-- there was no way it could be true.
真的，我认为他完全——我只是——这不可能是真的。
It just seemed completely ridiculous.
这看起来完全荒谬。
And then, I got to say, the more he explained, the more it slowly started to seem like, OK, maybe he's right.
然后，我不得不说，他解释得越多，我就越觉得，好吧，也许他是对的。
Important fact to know about David before we go any further-- he has a PhD in physics, worked at Fermilab on subatomic particles, was on the team that discovered the top quark.
在我们继续深入之前，需要了解有关大卫的重要事实——他拥有物理学博士学位，在费米实验室研究亚原子粒子，是发现顶夸克的团队成员。
And then this whole thing between him and me began when he told me to download an app onto my iPhone.
当他告诉我在我的 iPhone 上下载一个应用程序时，他和我之间的这一切就开始了。
OK, so now I've opened it up.
好的，现在我已经打开它了。
And there's, like, a gray steel, fake steel background.
还有，就像，一个灰色的钢，假钢背景。
And it says in white type on top of it, Universe Splitter, quantum-induced universe bifurcation.
上面用白色字体写着“宇宙分裂者”，量子引发的宇宙分叉。
What do I do now?
我现在该怎么办？
All right, so tell me something you are having trouble making up your mind about what to do.
好吧，告诉我一些你在决定做什么时遇到困难的事情。
You and I are recording this on December 31.
你和我在 12 月 31 日记录这一点。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass And I've had a week off.
Ira Glass：我已经休息了一个星期。
I grew a beard.
我留起了胡子。
I noticed.
我注意到了。
Ira Glass And I'm trying to decide if I should shave it off.
Ira Glass：我正在考虑是否应该把它剃掉。
And so that's something I'm trying to decide.
这就是我正在努力决定的事情。
What's your opinion?
你有什么意见？
David Kestenbaum [LAUGHS] Actually, I think it looks pretty good right now.
David Kestenbaum [笑] 事实上，我认为现在看起来相当不错。
OK, so what does this Universe Splitter do?
好的，那么这个宇宙分裂器有什么作用呢？
It lets you do both.
它可以让你两者兼得。
Like, it creates a duplicate of this universe so that in one you get to grow the beard, and in the other you shave it off.
就像，它创造了这个宇宙的复制品，这样在一个宇宙中你就可以长出胡子，而在另一个宇宙中你就可以把胡子剃掉。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass For pretend or for real?
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 是假装还是真的？
No, no, for real, maybe.
不，不，也许是真的。
This is a thing.
这是一件事。
It's called the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.
这被称为量子力学的多世界解释。
And there are a lot of really smart physicists who think this is probably what's happening.
有很多非常聪明的物理学家认为这可能就是正在发生的事情。
OK, so how does this work?
好的，那么这是如何工作的呢？
Like, what do I do next?
比如，接下来我该做什么？
All right, so there are two boxes there?
好吧，那儿有两个盒子吗？
Yeah.
是的。
In one box it says, In one universe, I will now.
在一个盒子里写着：在一个宇宙中，我现在就这么做。
Hold on-- shave off beard tonight.
等一下——今晚把胡子刮掉。
OK, and then the other box is labeled, In the other universe.
好的，然后另一个盒子被标记为“在另一个宇宙中”。
In the other one, I will now--
在另一件事中，我现在将——
And then below it there's like a button with like, an atom drawn on it.
然后在它下面有一个按钮，上面画了一个原子。
[LAUGHS] Yeah.
[笑]是的。
Ira Glass Like an atom like you would draw it in a 1950s cartoon.
Ira Glass 就像 20 世纪 50 年代漫画中画的原子一样。
Yeah, that's like the aesthetic of the whole thing.
是的，这就像整个事物的美学。
It's like an old piece of scientific equipment.
它就像一台古老的科学设备。
So what does it do when you push the button?
那么当你按下按钮时它会做什么呢？
So if you push the button, it sends a signal to a fancy piece of scientific equipment at the University of Geneva in Switzerland.
因此，如果你按下按钮，它就会向瑞士日内瓦大学的一台精美的科学设备发送信号。
And the equipment these days can be tiny, like a little box you can hold in your hand.
现在的设备可能很小，就像一个可以拿在手里的小盒子。
And it does the following.
它执行以下操作。
It takes a single particle of light, a photon, it sends it at a kind of mirror that can make the photon either go left or right.
它需要一个光粒子，一个光子，将其发送到一种可以使光子向左或向右移动的镜子。
You can think of it that way.
你可以这样想。
Like at random it'll go either left or right?
就像随机的那样，它会向左还是向右？
Well, according to the laws of quantum mechanics, which govern very small things, it actually goes both.
嗯，根据控制非常小的事物的量子力学定律，它实际上是两者兼而有之。
It's not that we don't know.
并不是我们不知道。
It actually goes left and right at the same time.
它实际上同时向左和向右移动。
OK.
好的。
David Kestenbaum So that's super weird, right?
David Kestenbaum 所以这太奇怪了，对吧？
But that is actually true, and demonstrated, and like we've known that since the '20s.
但这确实是事实，并且已经得到证实，就像我们自 20 年代以来就知道的那样。
OK.
好的。
So then what happens in this device in Geneva?
那么日内瓦的这个装置会发生什么呢？
Yeah, so the device fires a photon which can go left or right.
是的，所以该设备发射一个可以向左或向右移动的光子。
And then the device looks to see, well, where did it go?
然后设备会查看它去了哪里？
And we know the particle's in both places, right?
我们知道粒子在这两个地方，对吧？
But when the machine looks, it only finds it in one place.
但当机器查找时，它只在一处找到它。
It shows it went either left or right, which doesn't make sense, right?
它表明它要么向左要么向右，这没有意义，对吧？
Because we know from the math that the particle did go to both places.
因为我们从数学中知道粒子确实到达了这两个地方。
So why did we only see it in one of those places?
那么为什么我们只在这些地方之一看到它呢？
And what's the answer?
答案是什么？
David Kestenbaum All right, so one of the answers is that the photon is in both places, left and right, but just in different universes.
David Kestenbaum 好吧，答案之一是光子存在于两个地方，左和右，但只是在不同的宇宙中。
Wait.
等待。
So you're saying that when you shoot the photon into the mirror, it actually creates an entire duplicate of our universe.
所以你是说，当你将光子射入镜子时，它实际上创造了我们宇宙的整个复制品。
And in one of those universes, the photon is on the left, and the other it is on the right?
在其中一个宇宙中，光子位于左侧，而另一个宇宙则位于右侧？
Yes.
是的。
It both went left and right.
它既向左又向右。
Those are just in different universes.
这些只是在不同的宇宙中。
The math of it makes a lot of-- the math of it is very, like, streamlined and simple.
它的数学原理很重要——它的数学原理非常精简和简单。
I remember the day I saw it in class, and I was like, oh, my god.
我记得那天我在课堂上看到它，我当时就想，哦，天哪。
Maybe it's true.
也许这是真的。
Yeah.
是的。
David Kestenbaum So those boxes you filled out on the app--
David Kestenbaum 所以你在应用程序上填写的那些框——
You mean the box where I typed in "shave off beard tonight", and the box where I typed in, keep beard?
你是指我输入“今晚剃掉胡须”的框和我输入“保留胡须”的框吗？
Right, right.
对，对。
So it'll basically choose one of those boxes if the photon goes left, and the other box if the photon goes right.
因此，如果光子向左移动，它基本上会选择其中一个框，如果光子向右移动，它会选择另一个框。
OK, got it.
好的，明白了。
David Kestenbaum You have to do what it says.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 你必须按照它说的去做。
You mean I have to keep the beard or shave off the beard like it tells me?
你的意思是我必须保留胡子或像它告诉我的那样剃掉胡子？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, because when you press that button, you're going to get back one answer.
是的，因为当你按下那个按钮时，你就会得到一个答案。
But there's going to be a duplicate universe in which there is a duplicate you sitting in a duplicate studio and a duplicate me and you holding a duplicate phone in exactly the same way.
但是将会有一个重复的宇宙，其中有一个重复的你坐在一个重复的工作室里，一个重复的我和你以完全相同的方式拿着一个重复的手机。
The only difference is that that phone comes back with the other answer.
唯一的区别是，该电话返回的是另一个答案。
And then that version of me will do whatever it says on the phone?
然后那个版本的我就会按照电话里所说的去做？
We know that other guy.
我们认识那个人。
We trust him.
我们信任他。
He's going to go do the other.
他要去干另一件事了。
OK, I think I understand all this.
好吧，我想我明白这一切了。
Let's go ahead.
我们继续吧。
Yeah, go ahead.
是的，继续吧。
Push it.
推动它。
David Kestenbaum [LAUGHS] I do feel weird about it.
David Kestenbaum [笑]我确实觉得很奇怪。
I feel weird.
我感觉很奇怪。
I know it's crazy.
我知道这很疯狂。
I feel weird.
我感觉很奇怪。
You literally just put your finger right up to the button and pulled it away in fear.
你实际上只是将手指放在按钮上，然后因恐惧而将其拉开。
All right, here it goes-- the split universe.
好吧，事情就是这样——分裂的宇宙。
OK, it says, Input valid.
好的，它说，输入有效。
Internet contacted.
互联网联系。
Geneva online.
日内瓦在线。
Device ready.
设备准备就绪。
Photon emitted.
发射光子。
Quantum event.
量子事件。
Your universe has just split.
你的宇宙刚刚分裂。
You're in the universe in which you should keep beard.
你处在一个应该留胡子的宇宙中。
And right now in the other universe, the other you is being told to shave off beard tonight.
现在在另一个宇宙中，另一个你被告知今晚要剃掉胡子。
So after that, I kept the beard that night.
所以那天晚上我就留起了胡子。
And friends at New Year's parties asked me about it.
新年聚会上的朋友也问过我这件事。
And if the universe did in fact split, the other version of me in the other universe must have had different conversations.
如果宇宙确实分裂了，那么另一个宇宙中的另一个版本的我一定会有不同的对话。
Maybe for instance somebody gave him a great idea for a show today that, in that universe, instead of airing this show, in that universe you're hearing a totally different theme.
例如，也许有人给了他一个关于今天节目的好主意，在那个宇宙中，你听到的不是这个节目，而是一个完全不同的主题。
And David, just to be sure I'm understanding this, you're saying this isn't a metaphor.
大卫，为了确保我理解这一点，你说这不是一个隐喻。
You're saying there are scientists who really believe that a second universe gets created?
你是说有些科学家真的相信第二个宇宙已经创造出来？
Yeah, for sure.
是的，当然。
I mean, I think it's not most physicists.
我的意思是，我认为这不是大多数物理学家的观点。
And there are some who think it's ridiculous, for sure.
当然，也有人认为这很荒谬。
But there are some would take it very seriously.
但也有一些人会非常认真地对待它。
OK, where is this alternate universe that we're creating?
好吧，我们正在创造的这个平行宇宙在哪里？
Yeah, I don't really even know how to think about this.
是的，我什至不知道如何思考这个问题。
But if this is true, the universe is duplicating itself all the time.
但如果这是真的，那么宇宙就一直在自我复制。
It's like a fundamental thing about existence.
这就像存在的一个基本的事情。
Well, today on our program, in a universe that may be duplicating itself all the time, we have people who have become entranced by the idea of a parallel universe out there where things are different.
好吧，今天在我们的节目中，在一个可能一直在自我复制的宇宙中，我们有人对平行宇宙的想法着迷，那里的事物是不同的。
In one of those stories, things are better in the alternate world in one crucial way.
在其中一个故事中，平行世界的情况在一个关键方面变得更好。
In another story, two parallel worlds overlap.
在另一个故事中，两个平行世界重叠。
In another, a woman tries to visit-- she actually tries to go to the parallel universe.
在另一个故事中，一个女人试图访问——她实际上试图去平行宇宙。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act 1, Dreams From My Father.
第一幕，父亲的梦想。
So I was e-mailing with a fiction writer that we have on our show sometimes, Etgar Keret, about today's theme.
所以我和我们节目中有时出现的一位小说作家 Etgar Keret 发了一封电子邮件，讨论今天的主题。
And he told me that his father used to spend a lot of time imagining worlds like we're talking about in today's program-- parallel worlds to ours that are almost the same as our world, but not quite.
他告诉我，他的父亲过去常常花很多时间想象我们在今天的节目中谈论的世界——与我们的世界几乎相同但又不完全相同的平行世界。
And he said his father did this starting during World War II.
他说他的父亲从第二次世界大战期间就开始这样做了。
His father was 14, living in Poland-- he was Jewish-- when the Germans invaded and started sending Jews to the concentration camps.
当德国人入侵并开始将犹太人送往集中营时，他的父亲 14 岁，住在波兰——他是犹太人。
During the Second World War, him and his parents, they hid in a hole in the ground that they dug for 620 days.
第二次世界大战期间，他和父母在自己挖的地洞里躲了620天。
So he had a lot of spare time.
所以他有很多空闲时间。
And when he was there, he would imagine all kinds of things.
当他在那里的时候，他会想象各种各样的事情。
He would imagine a world in which the Nazis didn't exist, or in which he wasn't a Jew, or in which people just in general didn't kill each other, you know?
他会想象一个纳粹不存在的世界，或者他不是犹太人，或者人们一般不会互相残杀的世界，你知道吗？
And this kind of thing was something that he associated with being a child.
而这种事情，他就和小时候联系在一起。
Then he kind of felt that it interested him as a child, then I will probably like it too.
然后他觉得他小时候对它很感兴趣，那么我可能也会喜欢它。
Back during the war, his father couldn't leave that hole for almost two years.
战争期间，他的父亲几乎两年都无法离开那个洞。
The Nazi headquarters was right there near the hole on the same property.
纳粹总部就在同一块土地上的洞附近。
A Christian farmer in his 80s would bring them food and haul out buckets of urine.
一位 80 多岁的基督徒农民会给他们带来食物，并运出一桶桶尿液。
They couldn't even talk a lot of the time.
很多时候他们甚至不能说话。
Etgar imagines it was like two years of meditation.
埃特加想象这就像两年的冥想。
My father, the way that he would talk about his time in the hole, he would say that he would sleep, and then he would wake up, and then he would ask his father if the war was over.
我的父亲，他谈论他在洞里的时光的方式，他会说他会睡觉，然后他会醒来，然后他会问他的父亲战争是否结束了。
And his father would say no, so he would go and sleep some more.
他父亲会拒绝，所以他会去再睡一会儿。
That's the way he would tell it to me.
他就是这样告诉我的。
I think it's that kind of-- the softcore version.
我认为这就是那种——软核版本。
And was it like, when you say a hole, could they even stand up?
就像，当你说一个洞时，他们甚至可以站起来吗？
No. They couldn't stand in it, and they couldn't even lie down in it.
不，他们不能站在里面，甚至不能躺在里面。
They had to sit in it.
他们不得不坐在里面。
And when the Russians liberated the town and they were brought out, they had to be carried out because their muscles were so cramped that, by the time of the end of the war, they couldn't move them.
当俄国人解放了这座城镇，他们被带出来时，他们不得不被抬出去，因为他们的肌肉太局促了，到战争结束时，他们已经无法移动他们了。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
So basically they're in this hole, and they're sitting there?
所以基本上他们就在这个洞里，并且坐在那里？
Yes.
是的。
And you know, it's like it's very, very cold, you know?
你知道，感觉就像非常非常冷，你知道吗？
It's way beyond freezing.
已经远超冰冻了。
And you don't have food.
而且你没有食物。
And you hear voices in German, and you know that you can easily be killed.
你听到德语的声音，你知道你很容易被杀。
And you close your eyes, and you think of another universe.
当你闭上眼睛时，你会想到另一个宇宙。
Etgar's written lots of fiction that imagines parallel worlds of various kinds.
埃特加写了很多想象各种平行世界的小说。
And when I asked him if he wanted to do something for today's show, he wrote this story-- a true story that starts when he was a kid.
当我问他是否想为今天的节目做点什么时，他写了这个故事——一个从他小时候开始的真实故事。
When I was six years old, my dad worked at a pool snack bar not far from one of Tel Aviv's beaches.
当我六岁时，我父亲在距离特拉维夫海滩不远的一家泳池小吃店工作。
Every day at 5:30 in the morning he'd leave home for the pool, swim 2 kilometers, shower in the locker room, and get to work.
每天早上5点30分，他都会离开家去游泳池，游2公里，在更衣室淋浴，然后开始工作。
He wouldn't get home till 9:00 at night.
直到晚上9:00他才回到家。
14 hours a day, 7 days a week unloading boxes of soft drinks, dressing toasted sandwiches, brewing coffee in gleaming glasses at the pool snack bar up by the beach.
每周 7 天、每天 14 小时，在海滩边的泳池小吃店卸装软饮料、给烤三明治调味、用闪闪发光的玻璃杯冲泡咖啡。
Years later, Dad always said those were the best days of his life, fondly remembering how the salty air blowing in from the sea would mix in his lungs with the smell of the coffee and the imported cigarettes he used to sell at the bar.
多年后，爸爸总是说那是他一生中最美好的时光，他深情地回忆起从海上吹来的咸味空气与酒吧里卖的咖啡和进口香烟的味道混合在他的肺里。
Coffee, cigarettes, and the sea were always my father's three favorite things.
咖啡、香烟和大海一直是父亲最喜欢的三样东西。
For me, those days were not quite as happy.
对我来说，那些日子并不那么快乐。
When Dad came back from work, I was already in bed.
当爸爸下班回来时，我已经躺在床上了。
And other than Saturdays when I'd go off to visit him at the pool with my mom, I never saw him at all.
除了周六我和妈妈一起去游泳池看他之外，我从来没有见过他。
Not that I was bitter about this.
并不是说我对此感到痛苦。
Six-year-old children can't really imagine a different world for themselves, one where their father had more time for them.
六岁的孩子无法真正为自己想象一个不同的世界，一个他们的父亲有更多时间陪伴他们的世界。
They accept reality as it is.
他们接受现实本来的样子。
And yet, I missed him dearly.
然而，我非常想念他。
Seeing this, my mother suggested I go with him every morning to the pool, have a swim together, and take a cab to school from there.
妈妈见状，建议我每天早上和他一起去游泳池，一起游泳，然后从那里打车去学校。
I don't remember anything of those morning swims, but the car rides with Dad are crystal clear.
我不记得早上游泳的任何事情，但和爸爸一起开车的经历却清晰可见。
It's still dark as we sit in our Silver Peugeot 504, the windows rolled down, Dad smoking Kent 100s and describing parallel universes that exist at this very moment in other dimensions-- universes where everything is precisely identical to ours-- same road, same traffic light, same cigarette in the corner of Dad's mouth-- all except for one tiny difference.
天还很黑，我们坐在银色标致 504 里，车窗摇下，爸爸抽着肯特 100 雪茄，描述着此刻存在于其他维度的平行宇宙——一切都与我们的完全相同的宇宙——同样的道路，同样的红绿灯，爸爸嘴角叼着同样的香烟——除了一点点细微的差别。
And this difference Dad would change every morning, changing the one detail in the parallel universe that differed from ours.
而这种差异爸爸每天早上都会改变，改变平行宇宙中与我们不同的一个细节。
Here we are in the parallel universe waiting at the exact same intersection for the light to change.
我们在平行宇宙中，在完全相同的十字路口等待光线的变化。
Only in this universe, instead of a Silver Peugeot, we are riding a dragon.
只是在这个宇宙中，我们骑的不是银标致，而是龙。
And here's another one where under my faded sweatpants hide gills which allow me to breathe under water like a fish.
这是另一张，在我褪色的运动裤下面隐藏着鳃，它让我可以像鱼一样在水下呼吸。
When I was nine, my father got a new job.
当我九岁的时候，我父亲找到了一份新工作。
He no longer had to get up so early in the morning.
他再也不用早上那么早起床了。
And in the evenings, we'd all have dinner together and watch the nightly news.
晚上，我们会一起吃晚饭并观看晚间新闻。
I was 22 by the time I moved out of my parents' house, but I still made sure to visit them at least twice a week.
当我搬出父母的房子时我已经 22 岁了，但我仍然确保每周至少去看望他们两次。
And on Saturdays, I'd swim with Dad at the pool where he once worked.
每周六，我都会和爸爸一起去他曾经工作过的游泳池游泳。
When I was 43, my father was diagnosed with cancer.
当我43岁的时候，我的父亲被诊断出患有癌症。
It was tongue cancer, the result of 50 years of smoking.
这是舌癌，是 50 年吸烟的结果。
By the time the doctors caught on, it was at an advanced stage.
当医生发现时，病情已处于晚期。
And though we never spoke a word about it, it was obvious to us both that soon he was going to die.
尽管我们从未谈论过此事，但我们俩都清楚他很快就会死去。
On Mondays, I take him in for his physical therapy.
每周一，我带他去做物理治疗。
And as we sat in the waiting room to see the physical therapist with the British accent, my father sometimes still talked about parallel universes where everything was exactly the same as ours, save for one difference-- say, that dogs could speak, or that people could read minds, or that the sky was purple.
当我们坐在候诊室里看带有英国口音的物理治疗师时，我父亲有时仍然会谈论平行宇宙，那里的一切都与我们的一模一样，除了一处不同——比如，狗会说话，或者人们可以读懂思想，或者天空是紫色的。
And when the milk white clouds floated across it, they looked tasty enough to eat.
当乳白色的云彩飘过时，它们看起来就很美味。
At the end of every session, the physical therapist would show me how to hold my father's arm when we walked together and what I should do in case he lost his balance.
每次治疗结束时，物理治疗师都会向我展示当我们一起走路时如何握住父亲的手臂，以及如果他失去平衡我应该做什么。
On our way home as we approached the corner of King Solomon and Arlozorov, Dad would always stop.
在回家的路上，当我们接近所罗门国王和阿尔洛佐罗夫的拐角处时，爸爸总是会停下来。
"Do you smell that?" he'd say, and point to the new cafe at the corner.
“你闻到那个味道了吗？”他一边说，一边指着街角新开的咖啡馆。
"Just by the smell of it, I can tell you that's the best coffee in town."
“仅凭味道，我就可以告诉你这是城里最好的咖啡。”
At this stage of his illness, the tongue cancer was so advanced my father could no longer eat or drink.
在他病情的这个阶段，舌癌已经发展到晚期，我父亲已经不能再吃喝了。
Instead, he got all his food and liquids through a clear plastic tube straight to his stomach.
相反，他所有的食物和液体都通过一根透明的塑料管直接进入胃部。
On one of these Mondays after physical therapy while walking by the corner cafe on King Solomon and Arlozorov, my father, instead of just posing to praise the place as usual, suggested we actually go in for a cup of coffee.
其中一个周一，物理治疗结束后，我父亲走过所罗门王号和阿尔洛佐罗夫号的街角咖啡馆，他没有像往常一样只是摆出姿势赞扬这个地方，而是建议我们实际上去喝杯咖啡。
"Dad," I said after a moment's hesitation, "you can't drink anything.
“爸爸，”我犹豫了一会儿说，“你不能喝任何东西。
The tumor is blocking your esophagus." "I know," he said and patted me on the back, "but you can."
肿瘤阻塞了你的食道。” “我知道，”他说，拍拍我的背，“但你可以。”
We sat at a corner table on the sidewalk.
我们坐在人行道上的一张角落桌子旁。
I ordered a latte and a glass of water from the pretty waitress.
我向漂亮的女服务员点了一杯拿铁和一杯水。
And when she asked my father what he'd like, he asked for a double espresso.
当她问我父亲想要什么时，他要了一杯双份浓缩咖啡。
I stared at him, confused, and he smiled and shrugged.
我困惑地盯着他，他微笑着耸了耸肩。
The waitress noticed Dad's guilty smile and gave me a questioning look.
女服务员注意到爸爸心虚的笑容，疑惑地看了我一眼。
Not knowing what to say, I ordered an oatmeal cookie.
我不知道该说什么，就点了一块燕麦饼干。
Until the coffee arrived, we sat in silence.
直到咖啡端上来，我们都沉默地坐着。
I wanted to ask my father why he'd ordered the coffee at all and if it had anything to do with the waitress being pretty, but I said nothing.
我想问父亲为什么要点咖啡，这是否与女服务员漂亮有什么关系，但我什么也没说。
Dad pulled a cigarette pack out of his shirt pocket and a lighter he had stored in his glasses case and set them both down on the table.
爸爸从衬衫口袋里掏出一盒烟，从眼镜盒里拿出一个打火机，把它们放在桌子上。
We waited.
我们等待着。
A few minutes later, the waitress returned with our order.
几分钟后，女服务员带着我们的订单回来了。
She placed it on the table-- a latte, a glass of water, and a cookie in front of me, and a double espresso in front of Dad.
她把它放在桌子上——一杯拿铁、一杯水、一块饼干放在我面前，还有一杯双份浓缩咖啡放在爸爸面前。
Aromatic steam rose from my coffee.
我的咖啡散发出芳香的蒸汽。
I wanted to drink it.
我想喝它。
But doing that in Dad's face seemed unfair, so I just kept staring at it.
但当着爸爸的面这样做似乎不公平，所以我只是一直盯着它看。
When out of the corner of my eye, I saw my father quickly snatch the double espresso off the table and gulp it down in one sip.
当我的眼角余光看到父亲飞快地从桌上夺过双份浓缩咖啡，一口气喝了下去。
It was impossible.
这是不可能的。
I knew it was impossible.
我知道这是不可能的。
After all, I was there in the room when the oncologists showed me and my mother the X-ray with the tumor resting above the blocked esophagus like a scoop of vanilla ice cream on a waffle cone.
毕竟，当肿瘤科医生给我和我母亲看了 X 光片时，我就在房间里，肿瘤位于阻塞的食道上方，就像华夫饼蛋筒上的一勺香草冰淇淋一样。
My father, she said then, could never drink again.
她当时说，我父亲再也不能喝酒了。
And here we were sitting together on a pleasant summer day at this hipster cafe, me still staring at my steaming cup of coffee, and him by my side, smiling after killing off his double espresso.
在一个愉快的夏日，我们坐在这家时髦的咖啡馆里，我仍然盯着我那杯热气腾腾的咖啡，而他在我身边，在喝完他的双份浓缩咖啡后微笑着。
And for a moment there, I thought maybe we were in a parallel universe.
有那么一刻，我想也许我们身处一个平行宇宙。
Maybe he told me enough stories ever since I was a little boy to tear open a hole in the aching heart of our universe through which we were sucked into a parallel one, identical to our own in every way save for one exception.
也许从我还是个小男孩的时候起，他就给我讲了足够多的故事，足以在我们痛苦的宇宙中心撕开一个洞，通过这个洞，我们被吸入一个平行的宇宙，除了一个例外之外，在所有方面都与我们自己的宇宙相同。
In this universe, my dad could drink and eat as much as he liked, and he was not about to die in just a few months.
在这个宇宙里，我爸爸可以尽情地吃喝玩乐，而且他不会在短短几个月内就死掉。
The piping hot coffee slid down my father's windpipe and into his lungs.
滚烫的咖啡顺着父亲的气管滑进他的肺部。
When it got there, Dad started to choke.
当它到达那里时，爸爸开始窒息。
He stood up and grabbed his throat with both hands.
他站起来，双手掐住喉咙。
The wet wheezing noises he made were horrific-- the sound of a man whose lungs are flooded with hot coffee.
他发出的潮湿的喘息声令人毛骨悚然——这是一个肺部充满热咖啡的人发出的声音。
A bespectacled man from the table next to us leaped up and asked my father if he needed any help.
邻桌的一个戴眼镜的男人跳起来问我父亲是否需要帮助。
I just sat there paralyzed.
我只是瘫痪地坐在那里。
The parallel universe I had shared with my father moments ago had vanished, dropping me back into a far worse universe.
刚才我和父亲共享的平行宇宙消失了，我又回到了一个更糟糕的宇宙。
A few more seconds of gargling followed, after which Dad leaned over and coughed up, evacuating all the fine Italian espresso that had filled his lungs.
接下来又漱了几秒钟，然后爸爸弯下身子咳了出来，吐出了肺部里所有的意大利浓缩咖啡。
When he was done, he sat up in his chair as if nothing had happened, inches away from the puddle of coffee and phlegm, and lit himself a cigarette.
吃完后，他从椅子上坐起来，好像什么也没发生过一样，离那一滩咖啡和痰只有几英寸远，给自己点了一支烟。
People at the tables around us kept staring at him.
我们周围桌子上的人一直盯着他。
"What did I tell you?" He smiled at me and exhaled smoke from his nostrils.
“我告诉你什么了？”他对我微笑，鼻孔里吐出一口烟。
"The best coffee in town."
“镇上最好的咖啡。”
Etgar Keret.
埃特加·凯雷特。
He's the author of many books.
他是许多书籍的作者。
He writes about his dad and the rest of his family in stories a lot like this one-- emotional fables that happen to be true-- in his book, The Seven Good Years.
他在他的书《美好的七年》中写了很多关于他父亲和家人的故事，这些故事恰好是真实的情感寓言。
Act 2, Sorry, Not Sorry.
第二幕，抱歉，不抱歉。
So it's kind of grim to say this, but the moon landing-- that story of American triumph-- it could've gone in another way.
所以说这个有点残酷，但是登月——美国胜利的故事——它可能会以另一种方式发生。
In some other storyline from the multiverse, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, they land on the moon, they walk around, it's great.
在多元宇宙的其他故事情节中，尼尔·阿姆斯特朗和巴兹·奥尔德林登陆月球，他们四处走动，这太棒了。
But then there's a problem, and they cannot take off to come home.
但问题来了，他们无法起飞回家。
NASA thought this was the most dangerous moment in the mission, the most likely spot it could fail.
美国宇航局认为这是任务中最危险的时刻，也是任务最有可能失败的地方。
One of President Richard Nixon's speechwriters, William Safire, actually prepared a statement to be read in case that was the way the story went.
理查德·尼克松总统的演讲撰稿人之一威廉·萨菲尔实际上准备了一份声明供宣读，以防事情发展成这样。
At the top of the page in all caps it read, "In the event of moon disaster,"-- first line of the speech-- "fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore it in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace." Pretty good.
页面顶部全部大写写着：“如果发生月球灾难，”——演讲的第一行——“命运注定了那些平静地前往月球探索的人们将留在月球上安息。”不错。
David Kestenbaum has this next story about another presidential speech, never delivered, that also feels like it slipped into our world from a parallel universe.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆（David Kestenbaum）有一个关于另一场总统演讲的故事，虽然从未发表过，但感觉就像是从平行宇宙溜进了我们的世界。
You can find this speech framed, hanging in the guest bathroom of a home in California.
你可以在加州一户人家的客用浴室里找到这篇演讲稿，并装裱起来。
Here's David.
这是大卫。
The speech was to be read on the night of August 17, 1998.
该演讲将于 1998 年 8 月 17 日晚宣读。
It's in the house of Bob Shrum, because he wrote it.
它在鲍勃·施鲁姆 (Bob Shrum) 的家里，因为是他写的。
Shrum was a longtime Democratic political strategist, speechwriter, and getter-outer of tight spots.
施鲁姆是一位长期的民主党政治战略家、演讲撰稿人和解决困境的人。
Oh, I've had to apologize so many times for so many things-- sure.
哦，我不得不为很多事情道歉很多次——当然。
What's the most recent thing you apologized for?
你最近道歉的一件事是什么？
Having a fight with my wife about what we were giving various people as Christmas gifts.
和我的妻子争论我们要送给不同的人什么圣诞礼物。
This story is about an apology he wrote for a much bigger audience.
这个故事是关于他为更多读者写的道歉信。
That August, 1998, Shrum was on vacation in Idaho staying with some friends, and the phone rang.
1998 年 8 月，施鲁姆在爱达荷州度假，和一些朋友住在一起，电话响了。
Well, I didn't have a cell phone then, so somehow or other-- oh, my office called me and said Mark was trying to reach me.
嗯，当时我没有手机，所以不知何故——哦，我的办公室打电话给我，说马克正在试图联系我。
Mark is Mark Penn, who at the time was conducting polls and advising the President of the United States, who at the time was Bill Clinton, who at the time was in a lot of hot water.
马克就是马克·佩恩，当时他正在进行民意调查并为美国总统提供建议，而当时的美国总统是比尔·克林顿，当时他正处于困境中。
Impeachment might very well be an option-- tampering with witnesses, obstruction of justice are very, very serious charges.
弹劾很可能是一种选择——篡改证人、妨碍司法公正都是非常非常严重的指控。
A moment when one political party said there were very valid high crimes and misdemeanors, and the other party said that's ridiculous political posturing.
某一时刻，一个政党表示存在非常合理的重罪和轻罪，而另一政党则表示这是荒谬的政治姿态。
Anyway, there had been stories in the press for months at this point that Clinton might have had an affair with an intern, Monica Lewinsky.
不管怎样，几个月来媒体上一直有报道称克林顿可能与实习生莫妮卡·莱温斯基有染。
Clinton denied it, though, under oath in a civil case, and famously on television.
不过，克林顿在民事案件中宣誓后否认了这一点，并在电视上广为人知。
[CAMERAS CLICKING] Bill Clinton But I want to say one thing to the American people.
[摄像机点击]比尔·克林顿但我想对美国人民说一件事。
I want you to listen to me.
我要你听我说。
I'm going to say this again.
我要再说一遍。
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
我没有和莱温斯基小姐发生性关系。
But there was the dress with Clinton's DNA on it and recorded phone calls between Monica Lewinsky and a co-worker talking about the affair.
但那件衣服上有克林顿的 DNA，并且记录了莫妮卡·莱温斯基和一名同事谈论这件事的电话。
At the time Bob Shrum got the call, President Clinton was finally going to have to testify before independent counsel Ken Starr's grand jury.
当鲍勃·施鲁姆接到电话时，克林顿总统终于不得不在独立检察官肯·斯塔尔的大陪审团面前作证。
He would have to own up to the affair, and then afterwards say something to the nation.
他必须承认这件事，然后再向全国说些什么。
But what?
但什么？
That was what the phone call was about.
这就是电话的内容。
Shrum called Mark Penn back, who asked if he would take a shot at writing a speech for the president to be delivered on TV just after he gave his grand jury testimony.
施鲁姆给马克·佩恩回了电话，马克·佩恩问他是否愿意尝试为总统写一篇演讲稿，并在他向大陪审团作证后立即在电视上发表。
It would be the president's chance to frame the whole thing, maybe finally put it away and prevent the Republicans from starting impeachment proceedings.
这将是总统策划整个事件的机会，也许最终将其搁置并阻止共和党启动弹劾程序。
The country would be watching.
国家将会关注。
Bob Shrum said OK.
鲍勃·施鲁姆说好的。
He hung up the phone and told his wife and the couple they were staying with on vacation what the assignment was.
他挂了电话，告诉妻子和他们一起度假的夫妇，任务是什么。
One of the people there said, this better be good.
那里的一个人说，这最好是好事。
So I sat at the dining room table and I wrote in longhand on a yellow pad, which is how I've always written.
于是我坐在餐桌旁，在黄色便签本上手写，这就是我一直以来的写作方式。
I drafted it.
我起草了它。
What he wrote was a straight up, direct apology.
他写的内容是直截了当、直接的道歉。
It's on the-- well, actually, I can go get it.
它就在——嗯，实际上，我可以去拿。
You want to hold on for a second?
你想再坚持一下吗？
Shrum went to go get it from where it was hanging in what he calls the guest powder room.
施鲁姆去把它挂在他所谓的宾客盥洗室里。
And to be clear, there's other political memorabilia in there.
需要明确的是，其中还有其他政治纪念品。
It's a speech he's proud of.
这是他引以为豪的演讲。
"My fellow Americans, no one who is not in my position can understand fully the remorse I feel today.
“我的美国同胞们，除了我的立场之外，没有人能够完全理解我今天所感受到的悔恨。
Since I was very young, I have had a profound reverence for this office I hold.
从我很小的时候起，我就对我所担任的这个职务怀有深深的敬意。
I've been honored that you, the people, have entrusted it to me.
我很荣幸你们，人民，把它托付给我。
I am proud of what we have accomplished together.
我为我们共同取得的成就感到自豪。
But in this case, I have fallen short of what you should expect from a president.
但在这件事上，我没有达到你对总统的期望。
I have failed my own religious faith and values.
我辜负了自己的宗教信仰和价值观。
I have let too many people down.
我已经让太多人失望了。
I take full responsibility for my actions-- for hurting my wife and daughter, for hurting Monica Lewinsky and her family, for hurting friends and staff, and for hurting the country I love.
我对我的行为承担全部责任——伤害我的妻子和女儿，伤害莫妮卡·莱温斯基和她的家人，伤害朋友和工作人员，伤害我所爱的国家。
None of this ever should have happened."
这一切都不应该发生。”
Then he has Clinton apologizing for misleading people about the affair.
然后他让克林顿为在这件事上误导人们而道歉。
And this is how it ends.
事情就是这样结束的。
"Finally, I also want to apologize to all of you, my fellow citizens.
“最后，我还要向你们所有人，我的同胞们道歉。
I hope that you can find it in your heart to accept my apology.
我希望你能从心里接受我的道歉。
I pledge to you that I will make every effort of mind and spirit to earn your confidence again, to be worthy of this office, and to finish the work on which we have made such remarkable progress in the past six years.
我向你们保证，我将尽一切努力，再次赢得你们的信任，无愧于这个职位，并完成我们在过去六年中取得如此显着进展的工作。
God bless you, and good night."
上帝保佑你，晚安。”
I mean, I remember writing it.
我的意思是，我记得写过它。
I thought it was the right thing for him to say.
我认为他说的是对的。
And when I hear it now, I still think it's the right thing for him to say.
当我现在听到这句话时，我仍然认为他说的是正确的。
It's notable that Shrum had the president apologizing to Monica Lewinsky and her family.
值得注意的是，施鲁姆让总统向莫妮卡·莱温斯基和她的家人道歉。
At the time, Charles Rangel, the Democratic congressman from New York, called her, quote, "a young tramp."
当时，来自纽约的民主党国会议员查尔斯·兰格尔称她为“年轻的流浪汉”。
She was the subject of jokes on late night television.
她是深夜电视上笑话的对象。
Bill Maher said, "I think Monica Lewinsky is the one who should apologize to America." No one seemed to be thinking about her as a person whose life was now a wreck.
比尔·马赫说：“我认为莫妮卡·莱温斯基才是应该向美国道歉的人。”似乎没有人认为她的生活现在已经一团糟了。
Shrum was.
施鲁姆是。
Well, I mean, she was an intern, a kid in the White House.
嗯，我的意思是，她是一名实习生，是白宫的一个孩子。
And I thought that that made every bit of sense in the world.
我认为这在世界上是有意义的。
Shrum sent the speech into the White House.
施鲁姆将演讲稿送入白宫。
And then the day arrived.
然后这一天到了。
Clinton gave his grand jury testimony, which was not broadcast.
克林顿向大陪审团作证，但并未播出。
And that evening, the president went on TV to give his speech.
那天晚上，总统在电视上发表讲话。
Shrum sat down with the rest of the country to watch it.
施鲁姆与全国其他人一起坐下来观看。
We were just sitting around in the living room, watching it on television.
我们只是坐在客厅里看电视。
And at that point are you thinking, maybe he's going to read my speech?
那时你是否在想，也许他会读我的演讲？
Sure.
当然。
I thought he might very well-- Bill Clinton, who I worked with on State of the Union messages, never exactly reads what you send him.
我认为他很可能——比尔·克林顿（Bill Clinton），我在国情咨文中与他一起工作过，从来没有准确地阅读过你发给他的内容。
So I didn't anticipate that it would be necessarily word for word what I had sent, but I thought it might be pretty close to it.
所以我没有预料到我发送的内容一定是逐字逐句的，但我认为它可能非常接近。
It was almost diametrically the opposite.
这几乎是截然相反的。
Good evening.
晚上好。
This afternoon in this room, from this chair, I testified before the office of independent counsel and the grand jury.
今天下午，我在这个房间里，坐在这把椅子上，向独立检察官办公室和大陪审团作证。
I answered their questions truthfully, including questions about my private life, questions no American citizen would ever want to answer.
我如实回答了他们的问题，包括有关我私生活的问题，这些问题是任何美国公民都不愿意回答的。
I not only remember hearing the first words, but I remember the look on his face.
我不仅记得听到的第一句话，还记得他脸上的表情。
He was really, really angry.
他真的非常非常生气。
It's the private Bill Clinton who could get angry.
可能会生气的是私人比尔·克林顿。
And I have seen him angry, but I don't think the country had seen him angry very often.
我见过他生气，但我认为这个国家并不经常看到他生气。
As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with Monica Lewinsky.
如你所知，在一月份的证词中，有人问我有关我与莫妮卡·莱温斯基关系的问题。
While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information.
虽然我的回答在法律上是准确的，但我并没有自愿提供信息。
Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate.
确实，我和莱温斯基小姐确实有过不恰当的关系。
In fact, it was wrong.
事实上，这是错误的。
It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.
这是我的判断失误和个人失败，我对此负全部责任。
There are moments of apology in there and what feel like honest reflection, like when he straight up admits the reasons he had been so evasive until then.
其中有道歉的时刻，感觉像是诚实的反思，就像当他直截了当地承认他之前一直如此回避的原因时。
I can only tell you I was motivated by many factors-- first, by a desire to protect myself from the embarrassment of my own conduct.
我只能告诉你，我的动机有很多——首先，是为了保护自己免受自己行为的尴尬。
But the overall message is not I'm sorry.
但总体信息不是“我很抱歉”。
I screwed up, he seems to be saying, but the real problem is the fact that I'm having to talk about this at all.
我搞砸了，他似乎在说，但真正的问题是我必须谈论这个。
It's a private family matter.
这是私人家庭问题。
It's nobody's business but ours.
这不关别人的事，只关我们的事。
Even presidents have private lives.
即使是总统也有私生活。
He closes not by asking for forgiveness, as Shrum had advised, but by asking people to stop gawking.
他没有像施鲁姆建议的那样以请求宽恕作为结束语，而是要求人们停止发呆。
And so tonight, I ask you to turn away from the spectacle of the past seven months, to repair the fabric of our national discourse, and to return our attention to all the challenges and all the promise of the next American century.
因此今晚，我请你们把注意力从过去七个月的奇观中移开，修复我们国家话语的结构，并将我们的注意力重新集中到下一个美国世纪的所有挑战和所有希望上。
Thank you for watching, and good night.
感谢您的观看，晚安。
What do you think would have happened if instead that night he'd taken out your speech and read it?
如果那天晚上他把你的演讲稿拿出来读，你认为会发生什么？
I think it would have lessened the chances that he would've been impeached.
我认为这会减少他被弹劾的可能性。
Really?
真的吗？
Bob Shrum I don't know that it would have prevented the impeachment, but I think it would have lessened the chances.
鲍勃·施鲁姆（Bob Shrum）：我不知道这是否会阻止弹劾，但我认为这会减少弹劾的可能性。
It's possible his speech gets you to the same ending, just with a slightly different plot.
他的演讲可能会让你得到同样的结局，只是情节略有不同。
And after all, there was a lot of momentum in Congress toward impeachment.
毕竟，国会中有很大的弹劾势头。
But it's nice to contemplate a world where the leader of your country can stand up and acknowledge having made a mistake, can acknowledge reality.
但设想这样一个世界是件好事：你们国家的领导人可以站出来承认自己犯了错误，可以承认现实。
An apology really is about the truth-- laying it out so we can all live in the same world together.
道歉确实是关于真相的——把它说出来，这样我们就能一起生活在同一个世界里。
It's impossible to imagine that happening now.
现在很难想象会发生这种事。
Clinton seemed closer to it at that moment, but he still couldn't do it.
克林顿在那一刻似乎更接近了，但他仍然做不到。
I wonder, of all the possible universes, in how many of them does Clinton say I'm sorry, you know?
我想知道，在所有可能的宇宙中，克林顿在多少个宇宙中说过“对不起”，你知道吗？
Not I'm sorry for what happened, or I'm sorry if people feel-- but really like I'm sorry.
不是我对所发生的事情感到抱歉，或者如果人们觉得我很抱歉——而是真的很抱歉。
There may be a universe in which he did that.
可能存在一个他那样做的宇宙。
I'm just not aware of it, because I don't live in it.
我只是不知道，因为我不住在其中。
[LAUGHS] Yeah, that's not the one we live in.
[笑]是的，那不是我们住的地方。
You want to know what I think?
你想知道我的想法吗？
I think it's possible there is no universe in which President Clinton reads Bob Shrum's speech.
我认为克林顿总统阅读鲍勃·施鲁姆演讲的宇宙可能并不存在。
Listening to the speech Clinton did give, I kind of think he gives it in every possible universe.
听了克林顿的演讲，我觉得他在所有可能的宇宙中都发表了演讲。
It was exactly how he felt.
这正是他的感受。
And the speech that you wrote, while great, was not at all how he was feeling at that moment.
你写的演讲虽然很棒，但根本不是他当时的感受。
Obviously, the speech that I drafted did not reflect how he felt coming out of the grand jury.
显然，我起草的演讲稿并没有反映他从大陪审团出来后的感受。
I just think you want to do what fits the moment, and you want to be true to yourself.
我只是认为你想做适合当下的事情，并且你想要忠于自己。
The problem was that, I think, he was true to the angry guy who had just come out of the room, you know?
我认为问题在于，他对那个刚刚从房间里出来的愤怒的人是真诚的，你知道吗？
He was maybe not true to the person he was the next day.
他也许对第二天的自己并不忠诚。
There are the yous in all the parallel worlds, but also the you on Thursday and the one on Friday, the one who's had some time to think, and some sleep, and a sandwich.
所有平行世界里都有你，也有周四和周五的你，有时间思考、睡觉和吃三明治的你。
For sure, those are different people.
当然，这些是不同的人。
David Kestenbaum.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
In some other universe, he stayed a physicist for all of his life.
在另一个宇宙中，他一生都是物理学家。
In this one, he is the executive editor of our program.
在这一期中，他是我们节目的执行编辑。
Bill Clinton, by the way, later wrote about this address to the nation that night in his biography.
顺便说一句，比尔·克林顿后来在他的传记中写下了当晚向全国发表的这次演讲。
He does not mention Shrum's draft of the speech, but he does say that most of his advisors had counseled him to simply admit that he had made an awful mistake-- not to go out swinging.
他没有提到施鲁姆的演讲稿，但他确实说，他的大多数顾问都建议他承认自己犯了一个可怕的错误，不要出去摇摆。
He did anyway, of course.
当然，无论如何他还是这么做了。
Weeks after that speech, he backtracked in front of a smaller audience at a prayer breakfast with religious leaders.
在那次演讲几周后，他在与宗教领袖举行的祈祷早餐会上，在少数听众面前收回了观点。
He took a different tone there.
他在那里采取了不同的语气。
He said, "I agree with those who have said that in my first statement after I testified I was not contrite enough." It was much closer to what Shrum had written.
他说：“我同意那些人的说法，在我作证后的第一份声明中，我没有足够的悔悟。”这与施鲁姆所写的更接近。
He included an apology to Monica Lewinsky and her family.
他还向莫妮卡·莱温斯基和她的家人道歉。
Coming up, worried that you're living in a parallel universe where some very basic facts about your own life have been altered?
即将到来，担心您生活在一个平行宇宙中，您自己生活中的一些非常基本的事实已被改变？
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
We've arrived at Act 3 of our show, Act 3-- Sklar-Crossed Brothers.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕，第三幕——Sklar-Crossed Brothers。
So if you think about it, being an identical twin is kind of a parallel world situation.
所以如果你想一想，同卵双胞胎是一种平行世界的情况。
You know, you have this other version of yourself stuck in the same world as you, stuck in the same house as you.
你知道，你有另一个版本的自己，与你困在同一个世界，困在同一所房子里。
You see somebody who's just like you running around, doing things that you might not do.
你看到一个和你一样的人到处跑，做你可能不会做的事情。
Dana Chivvis has this next story about a mother, her twins, and a 48-year-old mystery.
达纳·奇维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 的下一个故事是关于一位母亲、她的双胞胎和一个 48 岁的谜团。
Annette Sklar had a lot going on in the winter of '72.
Annette Sklar 在 72 年冬天发生了很多事情。
In January, she delivered twin boys-- Jason first, followed by Randy 5 minutes later.
一月份，她生下了双胞胎男孩——杰森先出生，五分钟后兰迪紧随其后。
Weighing 5 pounds, 2 ounces, Randy had to spend the first days of life in an incubator.
兰迪重 5 磅 2 盎司，出生后的最初几天必须在保温箱中度过。
They lived in suburban St. Louis.
他们住在圣路易斯郊区。
Annette's husband Dick had a job at a paper company, called Tension Envelope.
安妮特的丈夫迪克在一家名为张力信封的造纸公司工作。
He worked long hours and traveled a lot.
他工作时间长，经常出差。
Annette was often at home alone caring for two infants-- feeding them, changing diapers, and making sure she didn't lose track of which one was which, because they looked exactly alike.
安妮特经常独自在家照顾两个婴儿——给他们喂奶、换尿布，并确保她不会忘记哪个是哪个，因为他们看起来一模一样。
Were you always scared that you might mix them up?
您是否总是害怕将它们混淆？
Like from the day they were born, was that a real fear?
就像从他们出生的那天起，那是真正的恐惧吗？
I tried to be really careful about knowing who either had-- what outfit they were on.
我试着非常小心地了解谁穿着什么衣服。
I knew-- I was really careful about it.
我知道——我对此非常小心。
So usually, we had outfits in different colors-- blue, blue Jay, and red, Randy red.
通常，我们有不同颜色的服装——蓝色，蓝杰，红色，兰迪红。
And then I didn't think about it too much, once I knew it was.
当我知道是这样的时候，我就没有想太多。
OK.
好的。
Annette Sklar [LAUGHS] That's how we did it.
Annette Sklar [笑]我们就是这么做的。
That's a good system.
这是一个很好的系统。
Annette Sklar I mean, I think I did feed them twice, one of them, and didn't feed the other one.
安妮特·斯克拉（Annette Sklar）我的意思是，我想我确实喂了它们两次，其中一次，而没有喂另一次。
That happens, sometimes.
有时会发生这种情况。
You did that.
你做到了。
You did that.
你做到了。
One of them was eating, the other one was crying a lot.
其中一个正在吃饭，另一个正在哭。
And I go, why is he crying so much?
我说，他为什么哭得这么厉害？
She even had a back-up-- a creative redundancy she built into the safety plan for their identities.
她甚至还有一个后备——她在他们的身份安全计划中加入了一种创造性的冗余。
And that was diaper pins.
那是尿布别针。
She used blue diaper pins for Jason, and yellow ones for Randy.
她为杰森使用蓝色尿布别针，为兰迪使用黄色尿布别针。
Everything went smoothly for a while.
有一段时间一切都很顺利。
And then at six weeks, they had their first check-up.
六周后，他们进行了第一次检查。
Annette dressed them in the same outfit-- a fancy number their aunt in Los Angeles had sent them.
安妮特给他们穿上了同样的衣服——这是他们在洛杉矶的姨妈寄给他们的漂亮号码。
But underneath the clothes, the diaper pin system was up and running.
但在衣服下面，尿布别针系统已经启动并运行。
At the doctor's office, a nurse took the babies out of the room.
在医生办公室，一名护士将婴儿带出了房间。
Annette can't really remember why.
安妮特实在记不清为什么了。
Maybe she needed to weigh them.
也许她需要称一下它们的重量。
And a few minutes later, the nurse came back in with the boys.
几分钟后，护士带着孩子们回来了。
And she goes, oh, we have such a great surprise for you.
她说，哦，我们给你一个很大的惊喜。
Now we have Pampers.
现在我们有了帮宝适。
We're just using them for the first time.
我们只是第一次使用它们。
So instead of using your diapers, we used your Pampers.
因此，我们没有使用您的尿布，而是使用您的帮宝适。
Oh, no. Annette Sklar And then they gave me all four of their tins.
哦，不。 Annette Sklar 然后他们把四个罐子都给了我。
The nurse had changed the babies out of their cloth diapers and put them into disposable ones, foiling the system entirely.
护士把婴儿们的布尿布换成了一次性尿布，彻底破坏了这个系统。
She handed Annette a little bag with the diaper pins in it.
她递给安妮特一个小袋子，里面装着尿布别针。
The boys were completely indistinguishable.
男孩们完全没有区别。
I was very upset.
我很沮丧。
So they go, oh, you're going to be fine.
所以他们就说，哦，你会没事的。
You're fine.
你很好。
Of course, they go, you're fine.
当然，他们走了，你没事。
And we got in the car, and I was so upset the whole way home.
我们上了车，回家的路上我一直很沮丧。
When she got home, Annette put the babies on the couch and stared at them.
回到家后，安妮特把孩子们放在沙发上，盯着他们看。
At six weeks old, they didn't have distinct personalities yet.
六周大时，它们还没有明显的个性。
They weighed the same amount.
他们的重量相同。
They had the same bald heads.
他们都有着同样的光头。
No birthmarks.
没有胎记。
And I'm not kidding you, they looked exactly alike.
我不是在开玩笑，他们看起来一模一样。
And so I was thinking I was a really terrible mother.
所以我想我是一个非常糟糕的母亲。
Oh, no. Annette Sklar Then how can I really look at this and not see my own children and not know which ones they are?
哦，不。 Annette Sklar 那么我怎么能真正看到这个而不看到我自己的孩子，也不知道他们是谁？
You know, she called me in a panic.
你知道，她惊慌地给我打电话。
And she just said, I don't know what I'm going to do.
她只是说，我不知道我要做什么。
I don't know which one's which.
我不知道哪个是哪个。
I don't know what to do.
我不知道该怎么办。
This is Annette's best friend Linda Wallace-- Aunt Linda, as Jason and Randy know her.
这是安妮特最好的朋友琳达·华莱士——杰森和兰迪都认识的琳达姨妈。
She lived in the same subdivision.
她住在同一个小区。
Did you go over there to try to help her?
你有去那里试图帮助她吗？
Because if she couldn't tell them apart, how would I be able to tell them apart?
因为如果她都无法区分他们，我又如何区分他们呢？
Right.
正确的。
Linda Wallace I mean, I couldn't tell them apart, you know?
琳达·华莱士 我的意思是，我无法区分他们，你知道吗？
She had the pins.
她有别针。
Yeah.
是的。
[LAUGHS] Were you nervous to tell Dick?
[笑]告诉迪克你会紧张吗？
Were you nervous to tell your husband?
告诉你丈夫你紧张吗？
Yes.
是的。
I was really nervous.
我真的很紧张。
So when he came home, and he saw them, and they were in their crib-- and so finally, I had to tell him.
所以当他回到家时，他看到了他们，他们在婴儿床上——所以最后，我不得不告诉他。
I go, I have to tell you what happened.
我走了，我得告诉你发生了什么事。
And I told him.
我告诉他。
And he goes, really?
他真的走了吗？
He goes, oh, we'll figure it out.
他说，哦，我们会解决的。
Let's see.
让我们来看看。
And then we were both looking at both of them right next to each other.
然后我们就一起看着他们两个。
And then of course, they had the Pampers on, and nothing.
当然，他们也戴着帮宝适，但什么也没有。
And he's going, I don't know.
他会去吗，我不知道。
What do you think it is?
你认为它是什么？
(LAUGHING) I go, I don't know.
（笑）我走了，我不知道。
Annette was faced with a decision.
安妮特面临着一个决定。
She had to choose which baby was Jason and which one was Randy.
她必须选择哪个婴儿是杰森，哪个婴儿是兰迪。
She had nothing to go on but a maternal feeling, so she chose.
除了母性的感觉，她没有什么可以继续下去，所以她选择了。
Dick agreed with her.
迪克同意她的观点。
I really, always felt like I had the right person in my heart.
我真的，一直觉得我心里有一个对的人。
I just said it is, and I'm not going to think about it anymore.
我就这么说了，我不会再去想了。
This is my life.
这就是我的生活。
We know who they are, and it is who they are.
我们知道他们是谁，他们就是他们。
And we're not going to talk about it anymore.
我们不会再谈论它了。
Do you think she got it right?
你觉得她说得对吗？
Do you think Annette got it right?
你认为安妮特说得对吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Dana Chivvis You don't know?
达纳·奇维斯 你不知道吗？
I mean, I don't think she knows.
我的意思是，我认为她不知道。
She says she did, but how does she know?
她说她知道，但她怎么知道呢？
I mean, there's no way.
我的意思是，没有办法。
They were so-- they looked so much alike, and so I'm not sure.
他们看起来非常相似，所以我不确定。
Jason and Randy are 48 years old now.
杰森和兰迪现在 48 岁。
They're comedians.
他们是喜剧演员。
They work together.
他们一起工作。
They've done cameos on different TV shows, like Curb Your Enthusiasm and Better Call Saul.
他们在不同的电视节目中客串，例如《遏制你的热情》和《风骚律师》。
And they still look exactly the same.
而且它们看起来仍然一模一样。
Randy, can you describe what Jason looks like?
兰迪，你能描述一下杰森的样子吗？
He's very good looking.
他长得很帅。
Jason, he is very Semitic looking.
杰森，他看起来很闪米特人。
He's got glasses.
他有眼镜。
He's about 5 foot, 8 and 1/2.
他身高约 5 英尺 8 又 1/2。
That's generous.
真是慷慨啊。
Randy Sklar Somewhat athletic looking.
兰迪·斯克拉 (Randy Sklar) 看起来有些运动。
Less generous.
不太慷慨。
Dana Chivvis They found out about their potentially swapped identities when they were about 12 years old, by accident.
达纳·奇维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 他们在 12 岁左右时偶然发现了自己可能互换身份的事情。
They were spending a summer weekend at the world famous Lake of the Ozarks in central Missouri with their mom and Aunt Linda and her two sons.
他们和妈妈、琳达阿姨以及她的两个儿子一起在密苏里州中部世界著名的奥沙克湖度过了一个夏季周末。
The boys were playing while Annette and Aunt Linda talked amongst themselves.
孩子们正在玩耍，安妮特和琳达阿姨正在互相交谈。
The story of the calamitous doctor's visit came up.
灾难性的医生来访的故事出现了。
And unbeknownst to them, Jason and Randy were in earshot, and they overheard the whole thing.
他们不知道的是，杰森和兰迪就在他们能听见的范围内，他们无意中听到了整个事情。
This is Jason.
这是杰森。
He sounds remarkably like Randy.
他听起来非常像兰迪。
We were livid that this could have happened, and also that she was sharing it in sort of an offhand kind of joking way.
我们对这种事发生感到愤怒，而且她以一种即兴开玩笑的方式分享这件事。
And Linda Wallace, who is a funny woman, was making it funnier.
琳达·华莱士（Linda Wallace）是一个有趣的女人，她让这一切变得更有趣。
And they were laughing about it.
他们为此大笑。
And we were like-- we were just very embarrassed by it and upset by it.
我们对此感到非常尴尬和沮丧。
Like, oh my god, this is an insane thing to hear, because we may not be who we are.
就像，天哪，这真是一件疯狂的事情，因为我们可能不是我们自己。
What pissed you off about it?
是什么让你生气了？
What was so upsetting about it?
到底是什么让我们如此心烦意乱呢？
I think that it just was we were just sensitive, I think, to being confused.
我认为这只是我们对困惑很敏感。
And again, it was this narrative that kind of went through our lives, as we wanted to be individuals and we wanted to be seen as individuals.
再说一次，正是这种叙事贯穿了我们的生活，因为我们想成为个体，我们希望被视为个体。
And then here's this thing that happened where we could be so easily confused.
然后这件事发生了，我们很容易感到困惑。
For identical twins-- two people who are constantly being mistaken for one another, who try really hard to make it clear that they're unique individuals-- this was a big deal.
对于同卵双胞胎来说——两个经常被误认为彼此的人，他们非常努力地表明自己是独一无二的个体——这是一件大事。
Randy was the most upset.
兰迪是最沮丧的。
He goes, why can't you go to the policemen?
他走了，你为什么不去找警察呢？
I think Randy really wanted me to go there.
我想兰迪真的希望我去那里。
We were talking all the way to the car.
我们一路聊到车上。
Not that an actual crime had been committed, just a crime against their dignity.
并不是说发生了真正的犯罪，只是侵犯了他们的尊严。
But for some reason, Randy figured the police were the ones who could sort it out.
但出于某种原因，兰迪认为警察才是能够解决问题的人。
But Annette did not go to the police.
但安妮特没有去报警。
And the name confusion did not get sorted out, it remained a mystery in Jason and Randy's lives.
而名字的混乱并没有得到解决，这仍然是杰森和兰迪生活中的一个谜。
The couple times that it was brought up throughout their years, if somebody said something about it, they would go, I don't want to hear about it.
在他们这些年里，有几次提起这个问题，如果有人对此说了些什么，他们就会走，我不想听。
Don't bring it up again.
别再提了。
Wow.
哇。
I had no idea it was that painful for them.
我不知道这对他们来说是那么痛苦。
I mean, it was a joke between Annette and I that I'm not sure was a joke between all of us, because they were very sensitive about it.
我的意思是，这是安妮特和我之间的一个笑话，我不确定这是我们所有人之间的一个笑话，因为他们对此非常敏感。
Just the simple fact of the matter that for countless times in our lives, someone has said to me, Jason?
只是一个简单的事实，在我们的一生中无数次，有人对我说，杰森？
And I'm like, nope, I'm Randy.
我想，不，我是兰迪。
Right.
正确的。
Randy Sklar You know?
兰迪·斯克拉 你知道吗？
Like, that that's happened so many times in my life.
就像，这样的事在我的一生中发生过很多次。
If that's not true, there is--
如果这不是真的，那就有——
You have to go back to every single one of those people and apologize.
你必须回去向每一个人道歉。
--and apologize.
——并道歉。
No, but there's a notion that you've been living a little bit of a lie.
不，但有一种观念认为你一直生活在一点点谎言之中。
It's a tiny lie, but it's not your lie.
这是一个小小的谎言，但这不是你的谎言。
Not your lie.
不是你的谎言。
Randy Sklar It's not your lie, and it's not your fault.
兰迪·斯克拉：这不是你的谎言，也不是你的错。
But still, that's unsettling in a weird way, to me.
但对我来说，这仍然以一种奇怪的方式令人不安。
That's just weird that for all this time I had it wrong.
奇怪的是，我一直都错了。
If they were switched, then they have to re-imagine something that's so foundational nobody ever thinks about it-- their birth.
如果他们被调换了，那么他们就必须重新想象一些根本没有人考虑过的事情——他们的出生。
Who's older?
谁年纪大？
Who was in the incubator?
谁在孵化器里？
Like Randy says, it's weird.
正如兰迪所说，这很奇怪。
It doesn't really make a difference, but also somehow it does.
它实际上并没有什么区别，但在某种程度上它确实有区别。
And not knowing what the truth is, that's even more unnerving.
而且不知道真相是什么，那就更令人不安了。
It turns out there was one way to figure it out.
事实证明，有一种方法可以解决这个问题。
Sometime around the age of 40-- Randy can't remember exactly when-- the topic of their potentially swapped identities came up.
在 40 岁左右的某个时候——兰迪记不清具体是什么时候——他们可能互换身份的话题出现了。
And they were like, why haven't we figured this out yet?
他们说，为什么我们还没有弄清楚这一点？
They were grown ass adults.
他们都是成年人了。
They should know who they actually were.
他们应该知道自己到底是谁。
And also, they were working as comedians at that point, and they thought it might be good material, which-- we'll see.
而且，他们当时正在担任喜剧演员，他们认为这可能是很好的材料，我们拭目以待。
Randy thought maybe the hospital where they were born would have a copy of their baby fingerprints.
兰迪想也许他们出生的医院会有他们婴儿指纹的副本。
They could get those and compare them to their adult fingerprints.
他们可以获取这些指纹并将其与成人指纹进行比较。
He wasn't wrong about the science part of that.
他对其中科学部分的看法并没有错。
Identical twins have nearly the same DNA, so their fingerprint patterns are very similar-- closer than anyone else's.
同卵双胞胎拥有几乎相同的 DNA，因此他们的指纹图案非常相似——比其他任何人都更接近。
As you probably know, fingerprints are made up of lines.
您可能知道，指纹是由线条组成的。
And some of those lines have tiny variations in them, like forks or loops.
其中一些线条有微小的变化，例如叉子或环。
And those markings are different between identical twins.
这些标记在同卵双胞胎之间是不同的。
For those of you still listening, the reason for that is that the markings develop based on the conditions in the womb, like pressure, which is different depending on where the baby is in the womb.
对于那些仍在听的人来说，其原因是标记是根据子宫内的条件（例如压力）形成的，根据婴儿在子宫中的位置而有所不同。
So Randy called the hospital where they were born to see if they still had a copy of their fingerprints.
于是兰迪打电话给他们出生的医院，看看他们是否还有指纹副本。
The hospital told them that they throw birth records out after 30 years.
医院告诉他们，30年后他们会把出生记录扔掉。
They were old and out of luck.
他们年纪大了，运气不好。
Until I was back home last summer with my family--
直到去年夏天我和家人一起回到家——
This is Randy.
这是兰迪。
Randy Sklar --and I was digging through, just looking at stuff--
兰迪·斯克拉——我正在挖掘，只是看东西——
In St. Louis.
在圣路易斯。
Randy Sklar --in St. Louis.
兰迪·斯克拉——在圣路易斯。
I was back in our childhood home that we had lived in since we were four years old.
我回到了我们从四岁起就住的童年家。
And I found from the hospital our footprints.
我从医院里找到了我们的脚印。
I couldn't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
Where were they?
他们在哪里？
Randy Sklar They were in a book--
兰迪·斯克拉 他们在一本书里——
--next to your bed, right?
——在你的床边，对吗？
Randy Sklar Next to my bed, there was like a nightstand thing that was like a chest that you could open up.
兰迪·斯克拉 在我的床边，有一个像床头柜一样的东西，就像一个可以打开的箱子。
And it was just in the bottom of that.
它就在底部。
I couldn't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
And I'd never seen it there before.
我以前从未在那里见过它。
And I thought, OK, we could find out.
我想，好吧，我们可以找到答案。
It became more real.
它变得更加真实。
Real, and the possibility was rekindled.
真实的，可能性被重新点燃。
If they could find someone to compare their adult footprints to their baby footprints, maybe they could put this mystery to bed once and for all.
如果他们能找到人来比较他们的成人足迹和婴儿足迹，也许他们就能一劳永逸地解开这个谜团。
As luck would have it, there was just such a person in Buena Park, California, about 25 miles from Los Angeles where Jason and Randy now live-- a forensic identification specialist by the name of Kurt Kuhn.
幸运的是，在距离杰森和兰迪现在居住的洛杉矶约 25 英里的加利福尼亚州布埃纳帕克就有这样一个人——一位法医鉴定专家，名叫库尔特·库恩 (Kurt Kuhn)。
But Kurt said there was no way he could use a baby footprint from a hospital.
但库尔特表示，他不可能使用医院里的婴儿脚印。
Those aren't made for identification purposes, they're made because baby feet are freaking cute.
这些不是为了识别目的而制作的，它们是因为婴儿的脚非常可爱而制作的。
They're mementos, and they usually don't have much detail.
它们是纪念品，通常没有太多细节。
In June, Jason sent Kurt the footprints anyway, just to check.
六月，杰森还是把脚印发给了科特，只是为了检查一下。
And when Kurt saw them, he confirmed that they were mostly just unusable smudges of ink.
当库尔特看到它们时，他确认它们大多只是无法使用的墨水污迹。
But miraculously, there was a half-inch spot on the ball of the left Jason foot that had nice, clear lines.
但奇迹般的是，杰森的左脚脚掌上有一个半英寸的地方，上面有漂亮、清晰的线条。
He shouldn't have any problem making the identification.
他的身份识别应该没有任何问题。
He just needed Jason and Randy's adult feet.
他只需要杰森和兰迪成年的脚。
Faced with the imminent revelation of their true identities, Jason and Randy were forced to think through what they would actually do if they'd been switched as babies, which, let's be honest, is not a long list of considerations.
面对即将揭露的真实身份，杰森和兰迪被迫思考，如果他们在婴儿时期被调换，他们实际上会做什么，老实说，这并不是一长串考虑因素。
Or would we legally change our names to each other's names?
或者我们可以合法地将我们的名字改为彼此的名字吗？
Right.
正确的。
If you are swapped, then you're kind of like committing fraud all the time right now.
如果你被调换了，那么你现在就像一直在进行欺诈一样。
I guess, yeah.
我想是的。
Jason Sklar Unintentionally.
杰森·斯克拉无意中。
Unintentional fraud, yeah.
无意的诈骗，是的。
Well, I would be using his social security number.
好吧，我会使用他的社会安全号码。
Right.
正确的。
Randy Sklar You know, how does that affect everything we do?
兰迪·斯克拉（Randy Sklar）您知道，这对我们所做的一切有何影响？
I wonder if it does.
我想知道是不是这样。
I mean, maybe it only matters if one of you commits murder barefoot, and then runs through wet cement or something.
我的意思是，也许只有你们中的一个人赤脚谋杀，然后穿过湿水泥或其他东西才重要。
Right.
正确的。
Dana Chivvis Maybe practically, it doesn't actually matter.
Dana Chivvis：也许实际上，这并不重要。
Maybe it doesn't matter.
也许这并不重要。
I'm probably right about that.
我可能是对的。
Except there's one person who Jason was legitimately worried about-- their mom, Annette, who they're very close with.
除了杰森有理由担心的一个人——他们的妈妈安妮特，他们和她关系非常亲密。
Their father died in 2009.
他们的父亲于 2009 年去世。
Annette's had two strokes in recent years.
安妮特近年来曾两次中风。
They're protective of her.
他们保护她。
What if she got it wrong all those years ago?
万一她多年前就搞错了怎么办？
Yeah, say more about that.
是的，多说一点。
Jason Sklar I would feel like maybe she would be embarrassed, or maybe she would feel like she should have spoken up and maybe found out a way in that moment to get our footprints and just dispel it and figure it out.
Jason Sklar 我觉得也许她会感到尴尬，或者也许她觉得她应该说出来，也许在那一刻找到一种方法来获取我们的足迹，然后消除它并弄清楚它。
I just have a feeling, that's all-- my feeling, my definite feeling that I know who's who.
我只是有一种感觉，仅此而已——我的感觉，我明确的感觉，我知道谁是谁。
I know who you are.
我知道你是谁。
I'm the mother.
我是母亲。
I know.
我知道。
What if it's different?
如果不一样怎么办？
You want me to change my name?
你要我改名吗？
What if I became Jason and Jason became me?
如果我成为杰森，杰森成为我怎么办？
Then you have to have different girlfriends.
那你就必须有不同的女朋友。
[LAUGHTER] Randy Sklar You mean wives?
[笑声] Randy Sklar 你是说妻子吗？
Mom.
妈妈。
Dana Chivvis A few days before Thanksgiving, I flew to LA and met Randy, Jason, and Annette at Randy's house where Annette was spending the holiday.
达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 感恩节前几天，我飞往洛杉矶，在安妮特度假的兰迪家里见到了兰迪、杰森和安妮特。
We left her at home with her grandchildren and headed down the 5 towards Buena Park, and hopefully resolution.
我们把她和她的孙子留在家里，沿着 5 号公路前往布埃纳公园，希望能得到解决。
Randy said he was feeling remarkably zen.
兰迪说他感觉非常禅宗。
But Jason?
但杰森？
I feel more nervous today than ever before about this.
今天我对此感到比以往任何时候都更加紧张。
Like, I think when we got into this, I was like, oh, this is going to be so interesting and fascinating.
就像，我想当我们进入这个领域时，我就想，哦，这将会非常有趣和令人着迷。
But I really want my mom to be right.
但我真的希望我妈妈是对的。
Like, I want to be me.
就像，我想成为我自己。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I just woke up this morning saying, god, I hope my mom was right.
今天早上我刚醒来说，天啊，我希望我妈妈是对的。
We turned off the highway, drove through the gates of Kurt's subdivision, and pulled up to a house with a Winnebago out front.
我们下了高速公路，驶进库尔特小区的大门，把车停在一栋房子前，前面有一辆温尼贝戈汽车。
Oh, it's a Winnebago.
哦，这是温尼贝戈。
The garage door was halfway down, and behind it we could see a pair of white legs that ended in a sock tan and flip-flops.
车库门半开着，在门后面我们可以看到一双白色的腿，脚上穿着棕褐色的袜子和人字拖。
Kurt?
库尔特？
The garage door lifted to reveal Kurt--
车库门打开，库尔特现身——
What's up?
怎么了？
Dana Chivvis --a tall man with a full mustache and a voice like a cartoon bear.
达纳·奇维斯（Dana Chivvis）——一个高个子男人，留着浓密的小胡子，声音像卡通熊。
And you're not coming in through the garage.
而且你不能从车库进来。
Get on the front porch.
到前廊去。
Let me get rid of the trash and take them--
让我把垃圾扔掉并带走——
All right.
好吧。
Randy Sklar Done.
兰迪·斯克拉 完成。
Done and doner.
完成了，完成了。
We stepped into Kurt's living room, met his wife and granddaughter.
我们走进库尔特的客厅，见到了他的妻子和孙女。
We made an impressive amount of small talk about Thanksgiving, Winnebagos, hunting.
我们聊了很多关于感恩节、温尼贝戈斯和狩猎的闲聊。
Well, have you ever bitten into birdshot while eating?
那么，你有没有在吃饭时被鸟弹咬过？
I have not, no. Dana Chivvis I have, actually.
我没有，没有。事实上，达纳·奇维斯（Dana Chivvis）我有。
So-- [LAUGHS] Dana Chivvis Kurt spent 25 and a half years working as a forensic identification specialist for the Beverly Hills and Los Angeles Police Departments.
所以——[笑]Dana Chivvis Kurt 在比佛利山庄和洛杉矶警察局担任法医鉴定专家 25 年半。
He shows us Jason and Randy's baby footprints.
他向我们展示了杰森和兰迪的婴儿脚印。
He'd had them locked in his safe for five months.
他把它们锁在保险箱里五个月了。
Take those.
拿那些。
Dana Chivvis Oh, they're so cute.
Dana Chivvis 哦，他们太可爱了。
It's time to take their adult footprints.
是时候留下他们成人的足迹了。
All right, so what do we do?
好吧，那我们该怎么办？
Kurt Kuhn Sit down and get rid of a left shoe and sock.
库尔特·库恩 (Kurt Kuhn) 坐下来，脱掉左脚的鞋子和袜子。
Randy goes first.
兰迪先行。
He puts his naked foot up on Kurt's knee.
他把赤裸的脚放在Kurt的膝盖上。
Kurt takes a special ink pad and presses it against his foot.
库尔特拿起一块特殊的印台，将其压在脚上。
Then he repeats the process with Jason.
然后他和杰森重复这个过程。
And that's it.
就是这样。
We send them out the door to walk around the neighborhood while Kurt figures out who is actually Jason and who is actually Randy.
我们让他们出去在附近散步，而库尔特则弄清楚谁实际上是杰森，谁实际上是兰迪。
We go upstairs to his office where he scans the footprints and then pulls them up on his computer screen.
我们上楼到他的办公室，他扫描脚印，然后将其显示在电脑屏幕上。
He enlarges the baby one onscreen, because it's teeny, and stares at the lines comparing it to the adult footprint.
他在屏幕上放大了婴儿的一号，因为它很小，并盯着线条将其与成人的足迹进行比较。
After just 20 minutes, he's done.
仅仅20分钟后，他就完成了。
I text Jason and tell him to come back to the house.
我给杰森发短信，让他回家。
OK, here we go.
好的，我们开始吧。
Dana Chivvis Welcome back.
达纳·奇维斯欢迎回来。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Dana Chivvis Kurt sits them back down on the couch and proceeds with a line of questioning I had not anticipated.
达纳·奇维斯·科特 (Dana Chivvis Kurt) 让他们坐回沙发上，然后提出了一系列我没有预料到的问题。
OK.
好的。
Well, my first question is how many other babies were in the doctor's office that day?
好吧，我的第一个问题是那天医生办公室里还有多少其他婴儿？
I have no idea.
我不知道。
Dana Chivvis Kurt, who's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, by the way, is screwing with them.
顺便说一句，达纳·奇维斯·库尔特（Dana Chivvis Kurt）是你见过的最好的人之一，他正在和他们搞砸。
[INAUDIBLE] OK, let's hear it.
[听不清] 好的，让我们听听。
Don't keep us in suspense.
不要让我们保持悬念。
So he tells them.
所以他告诉他们。
Jason Sklar Wow.
杰森·斯克拉 哇。
Whoa.
哇哦。
My god.
我的上帝。
All right, safe travels.
好的，旅途平安。
Have a good trip, you guys.
祝你们旅途愉快。
Thanks.
谢谢。
Dana Chivvis Thank you.
达纳·奇维斯谢谢你。
We'll be in touch soon, OK?
我们很快就会联系，好吗？
I'll turn off the air.
我会关掉空气。
Dana Chivvis No, I'm not going to tell you the results yet.
Dana Chivvis 不，我还不打算告诉你结果。
On the drive back to Randy's house, their family calls.
在开车返回兰迪家的路上，他们的家人打来电话。
First, Randy's wife Amy who asks him not how are you, but who are you.
首先，兰迪的妻子艾米问他不是你好吗，而是你是谁。
Then Randy's daughter Georgia calls with her sister and Jason's kids in the background.
然后兰迪的女儿乔治亚在后台打电话给她的妹妹和杰森的孩子。
Are you you?
你是你吗
Randy Sklar I'm going to reveal it when I get home.
兰迪·斯克拉（Randy Sklar） 我回家后会透露这一点。
We're home.
我们到家了。
Come on down.
下来吧。
Jason Sklar Come on in.
杰森·斯克拉 进来吧。
We walk back into the kitchen we left a few hours before.
我们走回几个小时前离开的厨房。
Annette is there with her four grandchildren.
安妮特和她的四个孙子在那里。
Jason and Randy's aunt and uncle are there too and an English bulldog named Roman.
杰森和兰迪的叔叔阿姨也在场，还有一只名叫罗曼的英国斗牛犬。
We gather around the kitchen island.
我们聚集在厨房岛周围。
Jason's five-year-old daughter, Noah, clings to him.
杰森五岁的女儿诺亚紧贴着他。
Everyone's excited, a little nervous.
大家都很兴奋，又有点紧张。
First of all-- OK, so first of all, how is everyone feeling?
首先——好的，首先，每个人感觉如何？
I'm nervous.
我很紧张。
Randy Sklar We got the results, and we found out that I am me and Uncle Jason is Uncle Jason.
Randy Sklar 我们得到了结果，我们发现我是我，杰森叔叔是杰森叔叔。
[LAUGHTER] Annette Sklar I'm so glad.
[笑声] Annette Sklar 我很高兴。
You actually saw it, for sure.
你确实看到了，这是肯定的。
We don't have to think about it.
我们不必考虑它。
But that's what I thought in my heart.
但我心里就是这么想的。
I felt like--
我感觉就像——
Randy Sklar So doesn't that make you feel like-- what does it make you feel like, that you got it--
兰迪·斯克拉（Randy Sklar） 那么，这是否会让你感觉——它让你感觉如何，你明白了——
Just in my heart, it felt like that's who you were, when you're a mother.
在我心里，感觉这就是你，当你是一个母亲的时候。
And now I'm excited.
现在我很兴奋。
[LAUGHING] I'm happy.
[笑]我很高兴。
You feel good?
你感觉好吗？
Annette Sklar I'm excited.
安妮特·斯克拉 我很兴奋。
I love that you're so happy.
我喜欢你如此幸福。
Annette Sklar I'm so happy.
安妮特·斯克拉 我很高兴。
So we went down, and he did our footprint.
于是我们就下去了，他留下了我们的足迹。
I know.
我知道。
Look, she's really so happy.
你看，她真的很幸福。
She's like legitimately happy.
她真的很高兴。
Look at the smile on Mom's face.
看看妈妈脸上的笑容。
She's so happy.
她很高兴。
A day later, Randy got Aunt Linda on the phone and told her the good news.
一天后，兰迪给琳达阿姨打电话，告诉她这个好消息。
Yahoo!
雅虎！
Randy Sklar Yahoo.
兰迪·斯克拉雅虎。
So that means that Mom and Dad were right.
所以这意味着爸爸妈妈是对的。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Thank you, Aunt Linda.
谢谢你，琳达阿姨。
Love you.
爱你。
I love you too.
我也爱你。
Dana Chivvis So all is well in the Sklar family.
Dana Chivvis 所以 Sklar 家族一切都很好。
Jason is still older than Randy by five minutes.
杰森仍然比兰迪大五分钟。
Randy is still the one who spent time in an incubator.
兰迪仍然是那个在孵化器里待过的人。
They haven't been committing unintentional fraud.
他们并没有无意识地进行欺诈。
They don't have to change their social security numbers.
他们不必更改社会安全号码。
The world Annette said they were living in was indeed the world they were in all along.
安妮特说的他们生活的世界，确实就是他们一直生活的世界。
Dana Chivvis is one of the producers of our show.
达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 是我们节目的制片人之一。
Act 4, If I Lived Here, I'd Be Home Now.
第四幕，如果我住在这里，我现在就回家了。
So our last story today is about somebody who tries to visit a parallel world, one that she almost lived in herself.
所以我们今天的最后一个故事是关于一个人试图访问一个平行世界，她几乎就生活在这个平行世界里。
Diane Wu explains.
吴黛安解释道。
The universe Emily ended up in was like a postcard for old-timey America-- 10 acres in Vermont with five big brothers and sisters eating candy out of glass jars at the family general store.
艾米莉最终所处的世界就像一张旧时美国的明信片——在佛蒙特州的 10 英亩土地上，五个哥哥姐姐在家庭杂货店里吃着玻璃罐里的糖果。
Yeah, we just lived in this big house.
是的，我们就住在这座大房子里。
And my parents were really strict.
而且我的父母真的很严格。
[LAUGHS] My parents were so strict.
[笑]我的父母非常严格。
They always reminded me of the Von Trapp family, even though that's really extreme.
他们总是让我想起冯·特拉普家族，尽管这确实很极端。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
A lot of rules, huh?
规则很多吧？
Emily It was a lot of rules.
艾米丽 有很多规则。
It was very much do as I say.
完全按照我说的去做。
She almost lived a totally different life.
她几乎过着完全不同的生活。
Emily was adopted from South Korea when she was a baby.
艾米莉（Emily）小时候被从韩国收养。
She's 40 now.
她现在40岁了。
And as a kid, she rarely thought about the world she came from, what her life would have been like there.
作为一个孩子，她很少思考她来自的世界，以及她在那里的生活会是什么样子。
It was the '80s.
那是八十年代。
That kind of thing wasn't especially encouraged.
这种事情并没有受到特别鼓励。
Her family raised her not to ask many questions about her past, but there was one thing she really wanted to know about it.
她的家人从小就教育她不要问太多有关她过去的问题，但有一件事她真的很想知道。
I mean, mostly growing up I just really wondered what my birth mother looked like.
我的意思是，在成长的过程中，我真的很想知道我的生母长什么样。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Emily That was usually the question that always came to my mind.
艾米丽 这通常是我脑海中经常出现的问题。
Her adoptive parents didn't look like her.
她的养父母长得不像她。
They were white, as was most everybody else in town, so it was hard for her to picture her birth mother's face.
他们都是白人，就像镇上大多数人一样，所以她很难想象她生母的脸。
But there was no one to ask.
但没有人去问。
A couple of decades later, Emily became a mother herself and suddenly, felt connected to and curious about her birth mother again.
几十年后，艾米丽自己也成为了一名母亲，突然间，她再次对自己的亲生母亲产生了联系和好奇。
She started researching how to contact her and, two long years later, finally got in touch.
她开始研究如何联系她，两年后终于联系上了。
Then she decided to go on a trip to South Korea to meet her birth mother-- a trip that would allow her to tunnel between the universe that was into the universe that might have been.
然后她决定去韩国见见她的生母——这次旅行将使她能够在原本的宇宙和可能存在的宇宙之间穿梭。
She recorded parts of it for a podcast called, Motherhood Sessions.
她为一个名为“Motherhood Sessions”的播客录制了部分内容。
All of Emily's emotions about the trip hit her on the way to the airport in New York when suddenly she found herself sobbing while talking to the cab driver.
在前往纽约机场的路上，艾米丽对这次旅行的所有情绪都受到了打击，当时她突然发现自己在与出租车司机交谈时哭泣。
I'm meeting my birth mother for the first time.
这是我第一次见到我的亲生母亲。
That is exciting for you.
这对你来说是令人兴奋的。
Who told about your birth mother?
谁告诉你你的生母的事？
I searched for her through the adoption agency.
我通过收养机构找到了她。
It took two years-- two years of searching.
花了两年时间——两年的寻找。
Oh, that's good.
哦，那很好。
That's good.
那挺好的。
And what about your dad?
那你爸爸呢？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Cab Driver You don't know?
出租车司机你不知道吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Cab Driver OK, don't worry about that anything.
出租车司机 好的，不用担心这个。
It should be better, everything.
一切都应该更好。
And it's a very blessing for you.
这对你来说是一个很大的祝福。
You're going to meet your mother.
你将会见到你的母亲。
I know.
我知道。
I know you're feeling, because you've spend your whole life without your mom.
我知道你的感受，因为你一生都在没有妈妈的陪伴下度过。
I know you spent your whole life without your mom.
我知道你的一生都在没有妈妈的陪伴下度过。
You need your mom on when your children-- like you babies, you know?
当你的孩子——就像你的婴儿一样——的时候，你需要妈妈的陪伴，你知道吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Going on the plane, too, for me, it was kind of thinking about the last time I took that flight was when I was a baby.
对我来说，坐飞机也让我回想起我最后一次坐飞机是在我还是个婴儿的时候。
And touching down, I remember thinking that the last time I was here was when I was five months old.
飞机落地后，我记得我上次来这里是在我五个月大的时候。
She had a day to settle in before she met her birth mother.
在见到她的生母之前，她有一天安顿下来的时间。
It was the first time she'd ever been to Asia.
这是她第一次来亚洲。
And wandering around Seoul, it was so easy to imagine the other versions of her life all around her.
在首尔闲逛，很容易想象她周围生活的其他版本。
I'd go in stores, or in restaurants, and I'd think, oh, could I be that woman behind the counter working there?
我走进商店或餐馆，我会想，哦，我可以成为在那里工作的柜台后面的那个女人吗？
When I'd see a mom with her little girl, I'd be like, oh, wow, is that what it would've been like to walk down the street holding my mom's hand?
当我看到妈妈和她的小女儿时，我会想，哦，哇，这就是牵着妈妈的手走在街上的感觉吗？
On her second day in Korea, Emily carefully did her hair and makeup and headed to the adoption agency to meet her birth mother.
来到韩国的第二天，艾米丽仔细地做了头发和化妆，然后前往收养机构去见她的生母。
Their reunion happened in a worn down meeting room in front of a bulletin board pinned with Christmas cards.
他们的重聚发生在一间破旧的会议室里，会议室的布告栏上钉着圣诞贺卡。
I see this short Korean woman walk in the door.
我看到一个矮小的韩国女人走进门。
And we hug, and I cry a lot.
我们拥抱，我哭了很多次。
[SPEAKING KOREAN] Emily And she says [KOREAN], which means I'm sorry.
[说韩语]艾米丽 她说[韩语]，这意味着我很抱歉。
It's the very first thing her birth mother says to her.
这是她的生母对她说的第一句话。
[SPEAKING KOREAN].
[说韩语]。
And I say [KOREAN], which means it's OK.
我说[韩语]，这意味着没关系。
[KOREAN]
[韩语]
[SPEAKING KOREAN] Diane Wu That's a social worker in the room translating for them.
[说韩语] Diane Wu 这是房间里的一名社会工作者为他们翻译。
Emily's birth mother told her her story.
艾米丽的生母向她讲述了自己的故事。
She'd gotten pregnant as a teenager, which was completely shunned.
她十几岁时就怀孕了，这是完全被回避的。
There was no place in society for teenage single mothers.
社会上没有青少年单亲母亲的地位。
A few days after Emily was born, a relative came by with a police officer and social worker, and they took Emily away.
艾米丽出生几天后，一位亲戚带着一名警察和社会工作者过来，他们把艾米丽带走了。
A week later, Emily's birth mother went to the police station, desperate to get her baby back.
一周后，艾米丽的生母来到警察局，迫切地想把孩子找回来。
They told her it was too late.
他们告诉她已经太晚了。
She called the adoption agency several times over the years to check in on her daughter.
多年来，她多次给收养机构打电话，询问女儿的情况。
Learned she'd been adopted by an American family.
得知她被一个美国家庭收养。
I talked with her on the phone.
我和她通了电话。
And when I asked her if she'd ever imagine the world where she did manage to get Emily back, she told me, I haven't really had those thoughts, but I always dreamt about her.
当我问她是否想象过她能设法让艾米丽回来的世界时，她告诉我，我并没有真正有过这些想法，但我总是梦见她。
Seeing her birth mother's face, meeting her whole extended family later on that trip, it had a profound impact on Emily.
在那次旅行中看到她生母的脸，见到她的整个大家庭，这对艾米丽产生了深远的影响。
I heard her talk about it on that podcast, Motherhood Sessions.
我听到她在播客“母性会议”上谈到了这个问题。
And I was surprised and moved to hear her say that being in the same room with her birth family--
当我听到她说和她的原生家庭在同一个房间时，我感到惊讶和感动——
For the first time, I felt pretty, you know?
我第一次觉得自己很漂亮，你知道吗？
Because growing up, your parents always tell you that you're pretty, or whatever.
因为在成长过程中，你的父母总是告诉你，你很漂亮，或者其他什么。
But I never really believed it.
但我从来没有真正相信过。
But being around this family, and we all look alike, you know?
但在这个家庭里，我们看起来都很相似，你知道吗？
I felt like I was beautiful.
我感觉自己很漂亮。
And I had never felt it that deeply before.
我以前从未有过如此深刻的感受。
And what do you think is behind that feeling?
你认为这种感觉背后的原因是什么？
Because after growing up, living a lifetime of feeling like you don't fit in and wondering why maybe certain guys don't like you, or why maybe you're not the most popular person in school.
因为长大后，一生都感觉自己不合群，想知道为什么某些人不喜欢你，或者为什么你不是学校里最受欢迎的人。
You know, for the first time in my life, I felt like I made sense.
你知道，我有生以来第一次觉得自己说得通。
I felt like my being made sense.
我觉得我的存在是有道理的。
I felt like my face made sense.
我觉得我的脸有道理。
Emily stayed with her birth family for three days in a town called Dongducheon in a little house by the railroad tracks.
艾米丽和她的原生家庭在一个叫东豆川的小镇铁轨旁的一栋小房子里住了三天。
There were ceramic pots of kimchi in the yard, a flat screen TV in the living room that was always playing Korean variety shows and soap operas.
院子里有陶瓷盆泡菜，客厅里有一台平板电视，一直在播放韩国综艺节目和肥皂剧。
Lots of visitors came by to welcome Emily.
许多游客前来欢迎艾米丽。
It felt warm, familiar.
感觉很温暖，很熟悉。
On the first night, Emily was getting ready for bed, and her birth mother came in and presented her with four boxes containing gold jewelry for Emily, her kids, and her husband.
第一天晚上，艾米丽正准备睡觉，她的生母进来给她带来了四个盒子，里面装着送给艾米丽、她的孩子和她丈夫的金首饰。
Emily accepted them, hesitantly.
艾米丽犹豫着接受了它们。
Then using a translation app, her birth mother told her--
然后，她的亲生母亲使用翻译应用程序告诉她——
She said Korean mothers sleep with their children.
她说韩国妈妈和孩子一起睡。
And I'm like, oh, god, here we go.
我想，哦，上帝，我们开始吧。
Emily had heard about this-- that it's not unusual for Korean parents to sleep in the same room as their kids, even when they're adults.
艾米丽听说过这件事——韩国父母和孩子睡在同一个房间并不罕见，即使他们已经是成年人了。
In this room, there was only one bed.
这个房间里，只有一张床。
She tried to explain to her birth mother, sorry, but I prefer to sleep alone.
她试图向她的生母解释，对不起，但我更喜欢一个人睡。
It wasn't clicking.
它没有点击。
Emily ended up calling an interpreter she'd hired who had already gone home for the day.
艾米丽最终给她雇的一名翻译打了电话，后者当天已经回家了。
And so I called her and asked her to explain that I couldn't do it.
于是我打电话给她，让她解释说我不能这么做。
And she did, but you could see that my birth mother was pissed and not really happy about it.
她确实这么做了，但你可以看到我的亲生母亲对此很生气而且不太高兴。
She had missed years and years of my life.
她已经错过了我生命中的很多年。
I can understand why she'd want to sleep in the same room with me, but I just couldn't do it.
我能理解为什么她想和我睡在同一个房间，但我就是做不到。
A lot of the time with her birth mother was like this.
和生母在一起的很多时候都是这样。
As a visitor, it was impossible to fit in completely.
作为一个访客，不可能完全融入其中。
She was a stranger and family all at the same time, dropping into a place that really felt like it could be home-- but it wasn't.
她既是一个陌生人，又是一个家人，来到一个真正感觉像是家的地方——但事实并非如此。
Diane Wu is our show's managing editor.
吴黛安 (Diane Wu) 是我们节目的总编辑。
That podcast, Motherhood Sessions, where we first heard Emily's story, it's a show about women and moms in moments of crisis and change.
我们第一次听到 Emily 的故事的播客“Motherhood Sessions”是一档关于危机和变革时刻的女性和妈妈们的节目。
It starts its second season this week.
第二季将于本周开始。
[MUSIC PLAYING] (SINGING) In my alternate universe, things only get better, not worse.
[音乐播放]（唱歌）在我的另一个宇宙中，事情只会变得更好，而不是更糟。
There's not a cloud in the deep blue sky, and I'm floating along.
深蓝色的天空中没有一丝云彩，我在漂浮。
Our program was produced today by our executive editor, David Kestenbaum.
我们的节目今天由我们的执行编辑 David Kestenbaum 制作。
The people who made today's show include Elna Baker, Susan Burton, Ben Calhoun, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Neil Drumming, Nora Gill, Damien Graves, Seth Lind, Jessica Lussenhop, Lina Misitzis, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Rae Mondo Nadia Reiman, Robyn Semien, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Julie Whitaker.
今天节目的制作人包括 Elna Baker、Susan Burton、Ben Calhoun、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Neil Drumming、Nora Gill、Damien Graves、Seth Lind、Jessica Lussenhop、Lina Misitzis、Stowe Nelson、Katherine Rae Mondo Nadia Reiman、Robyn Semien、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Julie Whitaker。
Our managing editor is Diane Wu.
我们的总编辑是 Diane Wu。
Special thanks today to Sean Carroll, the physicist at Caltech, who told David about the universe splitter app in the first place.
今天特别感谢加州理工学院的物理学家肖恩·卡罗尔 (Sean Carroll)，他首先向大卫介绍了宇宙分离器应用程序。
His book about parallel universes created by quantum physics is called, Something Deeply Hidden.
他关于量子物理学创造的平行宇宙的书叫做《深藏不露的东西》。
Thanks also today to Peter Bresnan, Alexandra Sacks, Suebee Craig, Christine Lee, Kim Park Nelson, Andrew Parsons, Eric Daniels, Joe Magee, Nazanin Rafsanjani, Devon Taylor, Emma Munger, and Molly Donahue.
今天还要感谢 Peter Bresnan、Alexandra Sacks、Suebee Craig、Christine Lee、Kim Park Nelson、Andrew Parsons、Eric Daniels、Joe Magee、Nazanin Rafsanjani、Devon Taylor、Emma Munger 和 Molly Donahue。
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Special thanks as always to our programs co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地特别感谢我们的项目联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he put a lojack on his car, but not a good one.
你知道，他在他的车上放了一个lojack，但不是一个好东西。
When his car got stolen, he starts tracking it, and it shows his car, but--
当他的车被盗后，他开始追踪它，结果显示了他的车，但是——
It actually goes left and right at the same time.
它实际上同时向左和向右移动。
Or-- or, everyone, alternative universe photon firing, here we go.
或者——或者，大家，替代宇宙光子发射，我们开始吧。
Torey Malatia, he is so obsessed with the polls for the Democratic primary.
托里·马拉蒂亚（Torey Malatia），他非常痴迷于民主党初选的民意调查。
But you know, I don't think he really understands how to read them.
但你知道，我认为他并不真正理解如何阅读它们。
He was explaining to me the other day that this poll of the electorate in New Hampshire--
前几天他向我解释说，这次新罕布什尔州选民的民意调查——
It actually goes left and right at the same time.
它实际上同时向左和向右移动。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC PLAYING] (SINGING) In my alternate universe.
[音乐播放]（唱歌）在我的平行宇宙中。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。