679: Save the Girl - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass OK.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 好的。
Of everything in pop culture, what can make a teenage boy cry?
在流行文化的所有内容中，什么能让一个十几岁的男孩哭泣？
That's a very specialized list, right?
这是一个非常专业的列表，对吧？
And we got to talking about this at our office because Lina Misitzis, one of the producers here, remembers how there was this one video game, a PlayStation game, that got her brother and his friends when they were kids.
我们在办公室讨论了这个问题，因为这里的制作人之一莉娜·米西齐斯 (Lina Misitzis) 还记得这款视频游戏，一款 PlayStation 游戏，在她哥哥和他的朋友们还是孩子的时候就吸引了他们。
She says he was definitely not a crier.
她说他绝对不是一个爱哭的人。
And honestly in my memory of it, my brother Yannos cries halfway through the game because this character dies.
老实说，在我的记忆中，我的兄弟雅诺斯在游戏进行到一半时哭了，因为这个角色死了。
He actually says that that's not true.
他实际上说那不是真的。
But one of his other friends also remembers him crying.
但他的一位朋友也记得他哭过。
And lots of people had this reaction to the character's death, like famously.
很多人对这个角色的死亡都有这种反应，就像众所周知的那样。
No matter how you play the game, she always dies, and people reacted.
不管你怎么玩游戏，她总是会死，人们的反应也是如此。
What was the game?
比赛是什么？
Lina Misitzis It's called Final Fantasy VII.
Lina Misitzis 这就是《最终幻想 VII》。
When was this?
这是什么时候的事？
Lina Misitzis 1997.
丽娜·米西齐斯 1997。
And the character that they're all crying over is named Aeris, but some people call her Aerith.
他们都为之哭泣的角色名叫艾丽丝，但也有人称她为艾丽丝。
And what was it about this character that was so intense?
这个角色的魅力为何如此强烈？
Well, OK.
好吧，好吧。
So I have no idea.
所以我不知道。
To me, it made no sense.
对我来说，这毫无意义。
She's like this one-dimensional girl.
她就像这个一维的女孩。
She's a cartoon.
她是一个卡通人物。
At the time, it was a big deal that she was 3D.
在当时，她是3D的，这是一件大事。
So she looked, I guess, believable, but she kind of looks like a Mario character.
所以我想她看起来很可信，但她看起来有点像马里奥角色。
It doesn't make sense to me that all of these boys would cry over it.
对我来说，所有这些男孩都会为此哭泣是没有意义的。
And so since my brother disagrees that he cried about it, I called someone who definitely did.
既然我哥哥不同意他为此哭泣，我就打电话给一个肯定哭过的人。
His name is Mike Fahey.
他的名字叫迈克·费伊。
He's a writer for Kotaku, this video game review and reporting website.
他是视频游戏评论和报道网站 Kotaku 的撰稿人。
And he wrote about Final Fantasy VII being remade.
他还写到了《最终幻想 7》的重制。
It comes out, I think, in the next year or two.
我想，它会在未来一两年内问世。
And he wrote this article, and the title of the article was, "I Can't Go Through This Again."
他写了这篇文章，文章的标题是“我不能再经历一次”。
About this scene?
关于这一幕？
Lina Misitzis About this scene.
Lina Misitzis 关于这个场景。
About this scene.
关于这一幕。
It's about how he doesn't feel like he can deal with her dying two times in his life.
这是关于他如何感觉自己无法应对她一生中两次死亡的情况。
One time was enough.
一次就够了。
It was a big part of my youth.
这是我青春的很大一部分。
I mean, it was, what, 22 years ago I played this game.
我的意思是，22 年前我玩过这个游戏。
And I still remember that particular moment.
我仍然记得那个特殊的时刻。
He's in his 40s now, but then he was like-- I don't know-- 24.
他现在 40 多岁了，但那时他就像——我不知道——24 岁。
And he's on his couch playing the game.
他正在沙发上玩游戏。
It felt like there was no real lead into it.
感觉好像没有真正的线索。
I might have even had my attention wandering while the cut scene was playing.
当过场动画播放时，我什至可能会分散注意力。
And then all of a sudden, there's a giant sword in her.
突然间，她的体内多出了一把巨剑。
Sephiroth comes down, impales her, and you're like, no. This has to change.
萨菲罗斯下来，刺穿了她，然后你就说，不。这必须改变。
This has to stop.
这必须停止。
My stomach fell.
我的胃掉下来了。
I remember my stomach just falling and feeling like it was just dropping in my chest.
我记得我的胃在下坠，感觉就像在我的胸口下坠一样。
And that music kicks in just as she's dying.
就在她快要死的时候，音乐响起了。
And whenever I hear that music, I just tear right up.
每当我听到那首音乐，我就会流泪。
And Ira, this is what the scene looks like.
而艾拉，这就是场景的样子。
All right, hold on.
好吧，坚持住。
Let's put this up.
我们把这个放上来吧。
OK, you're now watching a video that we're seeing online.
好的，您现在正在观看我们在网上看到的视频。
OK, so you're the protagonist.
好吧，那你就是主角了。
You're Cloud.
你是云。
His name is Cloud Strife.
他的名字叫克劳德·斯特莱夫。
So that's the character with the orange hair.
这就是橙色头发的角色。
Uh, yeah.
呃，是的。
I mean, it's yellow, but you can call it orange.
我的意思是，它是黄色的，但你可以称之为橙色。
It's his job to protect her.
保护她是他的职责。
And so they're standing on some sort of platform.
所以他们站在某种平台上。
There's mist all over the place.
到处都是雾气。
Yeah, and you can see this girl up here.
是的，你可以在这里看到这个女孩。
That's Aeris.
那是艾丽丝。
Can you see what she's doing?
你能看到她在做什么吗？
She's praying, yeah.
她正在祈祷，是的。
Ira Glass She's praying.
艾拉·格拉斯：她在祈祷。
She has long hair braided in a bow, I guess.
我猜她的长发编成了蝴蝶结。
Pink dress.
粉色连衣裙。
She looks up.
她抬起头。
Cloud looks back at her, very dramatic.
克劳德回头看着她，表情非常戏剧化。
Oh, a menacing figure in a cape drops down.
哦，一个披着斗篷的凶恶身影掉了下来。
So I had Mike watch this with me when I talked to him.
所以当我和迈克谈话时，我让他和我一起看这个。
Wait, he wrote a whole article saying, I can't go through this again, and you made him watch it again?
等等，他写了整篇文章说，我不能再看一遍了，你让他再看一遍？
Uh, yeah, he was fine.
呃，是的，他很好。
It was just a video clip.
这只是一个视频剪辑。
And here we go.
我们开始吧。
Sephiroth plunges from the heavens.
萨菲罗斯从天而降。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
And she just slumps over like that, and her eyes are still open.
她就这样瘫倒在地，眼睛还睁着。
Her mouth parts just a little bit.
她的嘴只有一点点。
This is right about where the music starts.
这正是音乐开始的地方。
And is when the tears start to fall.
也是眼泪开始掉下来的时候。
Ugh, I mean, there's that moment of shock when that sword goes through her.
呃，我是说，当那把剑穿过她时，她感到震惊。
And then, "This can't be real."
然后，“这不可能是真的。”
He's reading off the screen.
他正在屏幕上朗读。
Mike Fahey Cloud says, "This can't be real." And that's really what everyone was feeling right there.
迈克·费伊·克劳德说：“这不可能是真的。”这确实是每个人当时的感受。
That line right there, "Aeris will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry, or get angry." Oh my god.
那句话就在那里，“艾丽丝将不再说话，不再笑，不再哭，也不再生气。”我的天啊。
[SNIFFLES] OK.
[抽鼻子]好的。
Damn it.
该死的。
"His fingers are tingling, his mouth is dry.
“他的手指刺痛，嘴巴干燥。
His eyes are burning." I'm right there with him.
他的眼睛在燃烧。”我就在他身边。
Yeah, I'm tearing up.
是的，我泪流满面。
OK, so why of all the characters in all the video games in the world, why do they tear up for this girl?
好吧，那么为什么世界上所有电子游戏中的所有角色都会为这个女孩流泪呢？
Well, in part, it's because it's one of the first times it's happened.
嗯，部分原因是这是第一次发生这种情况。
I mean, it was just like a surprise.
我的意思是，这就像一个惊喜。
It was really new.
这真的很新。
And to clarify, Mike knows that Aeris is just this one-dimensional character.
需要澄清的是，迈克知道艾里斯只是这个一维角色。
The official game description of her is literally, quote, "young, beautiful, and somewhat mysterious."
官方游戏对她的描述是“年轻、美丽，而且有些神秘”。
Wait.
等待。
Could we pause on the word, "somewhat"?
我们可以暂停一下“有点”这个词吗？
That seems so weirdly insulting.
这看起来太奇怪了，太侮辱人了。
Like, well, you're just somewhat mysterious.
嗯，你只是有点神秘。
[LAUGHS] OK.
[笑]好的。
Right.
正确的。
And in the game, she really does just two things.
在游戏中，她实际上只做了两件事。
She stands next to people and calms them down.
她站在人们旁边，让他们平静下来。
Like she'll put her hand on someone's chest in this meaningful way.
就像她会以这种有意义的方式把手放在某人的胸口上。
She's this reassuring presence, this healer.
她是一个令人安心的存在，一个治愈者。
And then the other thing she does is she asks for help.
然后她做的另一件事就是寻求帮助。
So that's the two basic female functions, right?
这就是女性的两个基本功能，对吗？
Right.
正确的。
OK.
好的。
Lina Misitzis And Mike knows all of this.
莉娜·米西兹 (Lina Misitzis) 迈克知道这一切。
But he says that's enough.
但他说这就足够了。
It's enough about her to make you, the protagonist, care.
她这一点就足够让你这个主角关心了。
She sort of is one-dimensional.
她有点是一维的。
She's like the ray of hope.
她就像希望之光。
She grows flowers in this disgusting slum.
她在这个恶心的贫民窟里种花。
She's almost like a billboard that things can be better.
她几乎就像一个广告牌，表明事情可以变得更好。
Her sweetness and lightness is what they're really trying to squeeze out of her.
他们真正想从她身上榨取的就是她的甜美和轻松。
So that's what they focus on.
这就是他们关注的重点。
And she's understanding.
她很理解。
And maybe that's why one of the other reasons you feel for her.
也许这就是你对她有感觉的其他原因之一。
Because you feel kind of like she would understand you.
因为你觉得她会理解你。
Yeah, she's adorable.
是的，她很可爱。
She really is.
她确实是。
It's those big blue eyes.
就是那双蓝色的大眼睛。
They bore into you, really.
他们确实对你产生了兴趣。
They're in my head, and they have been for 20 years.
它们在我的脑海里已经存在了 20 年。
They're blue, aren't they?
它们是蓝色的，不是吗？
Um, actually, they're green.
嗯，实际上，它们是绿色的。
And Mike realizes that later in the interview, and he wanted to make sure that I make it clear to you that he knows that they're green.
迈克在后来的采访中意识到了这一点，他想确保我向你明确表示他知道它们是绿色的。
Check.
查看。
If Aerith weren't as likeable, maybe if she weren't as pretty, if she didn't have those big green eyes, and she weren't as sweet, her death wouldn't have meant as much.
如果艾丽丝不那么讨人喜欢，也许如果她不那么漂亮，如果她没有那双绿色的大眼睛，如果她不那么可爱，她的死就不会有那么大的意义。
Would Aeris, the character, have been as effective if she were a little brother?
如果艾丽丝这个角色是弟弟的话，她还会那么有效吗？
Wow.
哇。
That is a good question.
这是一个好问题。
I mean, I think she might have had to work harder as a little brother.
我的意思是，我认为她作为弟弟可能需要更加努力。
Gosh, that's an awful thing to say.
天哪，这真是一件可怕的事。
Yeah, I think he would have had to have a stronger personality.
是的，我认为他必须有更强的个性。
There would have been some more scenes of bonding with that character.
本来还会有更多与这个角色有联系的场景。
Yeah.
是的。
Lina Misitzis There's a bird in the game that's called like a Chocobo, I think, that has more personality than Aeris does.
Lina Misitzis 游戏中有一种叫陆行鸟的鸟，我认为它比 Aeris 更有个性。
Yeah.
是的。
Lina Misitzis Yeah, she's young and she's innocent.
Lina Misitzis 是的，她年轻而且天真。
And I don't know.
我不知道。
In the game, it's confusing whether or not she's like you, the protagonist's romantic interest, or like your little sister.
在游戏中，她是像你一样，主角的恋人，还是像你的妹妹，这让人很困惑。
And I think that that's intentional.
我认为这是故意的。
Those are the things that it takes for you to feel protective of her.
这些都是你需要保护她的东西。
And then her death is the thing that energizes all of them to fight and win.
她的死激励了所有人去战斗并取得胜利。
It motivates the remaining party members.
它激励了剩余的党员。
I think her death makes the stakes real.
我认为她的死让赌注变得真实。
It's a game up until her death.
这是一场游戏，直到她死为止。
Even after the Shinra drops the plate and crushes that entire city, you're like, wow.
即使在神罗丢下盘子并摧毁整个城市之后，你也会觉得，哇。
They mean business.
他们是认真的。
But we've got a party of kickass heroes that's going to save the day.
但我们有一群强大的英雄来拯救世界。
And then Aeris dies, and you're like, we might not save the day.
然后艾丽丝死了，你会想，我们可能无法拯救世界。
It adds a layer of reality.
它增加了一层现实。
And her death sends them to their actual mission-- to save the world.
她的死让他们承担起真正的使命——拯救世界。
She's just a prop that gets them there.
她只是让他们到达那里的一个道具。
That's her whole function in the game.
这就是她在游戏中的全部功能。
So basically, it's like she's this barely filled in character, and yet, just, that's enough to work, to make people have all these feelings and to actually cry when she dies.
所以基本上，就好像她的性格几乎没有被填充，然而，这足以发挥作用，让人们有所有这些感受，并在她死时真正哭泣。
All she needs is to seem vulnerable and nice.
她所需要的只是让自己看起来脆弱而友善。
This kind of story, the girl who needs rescuing, is still around.
这样的故事，需要拯救的女孩，依然存在。
It's persistent.
它是执着的。
Despite all the films and stories that try to leave it behind, despite best efforts to quash it, you still run into it.
尽管所有的电影和故事都试图将它抛在身后，尽管尽了最大努力来消除它，你仍然会遇到它。
And you run into it in real life.
你在现实生活中也会遇到它。
People jump in, in real life to rescue young women and get so caught up in that heroic mission, that sometimes, like with Aeris, it kind of doesn't matter who the girl really is or if she wants to get rescued.
在现实生活中，人们会跳进去营救年轻女性，并全身心地投入到这项英雄使命中，有时，就像艾丽丝一样，女孩到底是谁或者她是否想被营救并不重要。
She's sort of just a girl getting rescued.
她只是一个被救的女孩。
They don't see what the girl actually wants or needs.
他们看不到女孩真正想要或需要什么。
They don't see her.
他们没有看到她。
We have examples, real life examples.
我们有例子，现实生活中的例子。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One: My Very Unhappy Birthday Ira Glass Act One, My New and Happy Birthday.
第一幕：我非常不快乐的生日 艾拉·格拉斯 第一幕，我的新生日快乐。
So let's begin with a young woman that the United States government thought needed to be rescued, meaning well with good reason, at first anyway.
因此，让我们从一名美国政府认为需要营救的年轻女性开始，无论如何，她的初衷是有充分理由的。
Nadia Reiman explains.
纳迪亚·雷曼解释道。
I'm looking at a sheet of paper with a couple photos of a young woman, a front view and a side view.
我正在看一张纸，上面有几张年轻女子的照片，一张是正面图，一张是侧面图。
Pretty small.
相当小。
She's got brown hair, brown eyes.
她有一头棕色的头发，棕色的眼睛。
But right below the photos is an X-ray of her jaw.
但照片的正下方是她下巴的 X 光片。
The paper says the X-ray was ordered from O'Hare Airport in Chicago.
该报称，X光检查是从芝加哥奥黑尔机场订购的。
And this X-ray is what sealed her fate.
这张X光照片决定了她的命运。
Two years ago, the woman in the picture lands in Chicago.
两年前，照片中的女人来到了芝加哥。
She's coming from Laos disoriented and jet lagged.
她来自老挝，迷失了方向，还时差反应。
Her name is Yong Xiong.
她的名字叫永雄。
She's meeting her fiancé, who's waiting for her with his mother and sister at the airport in Minneapolis.
她正在见她的未婚夫，未婚夫正在明尼阿波利斯的机场与他的母亲和妹妹一起等待她。
All she has to do is get through customs and make her connecting flight.
她所要做的就是通过海关并搭乘转机航班。
So she steps up to the customs desk, all 4 feet 7 inches of her.
于是她走到海关柜台，身高 4 英尺 7 英寸。
They asked me how old I was.
他们问我多大了。
And I didn't know how to say it in English.
而且我不知道如何用英语说。
So I showed them by fingers how old I was.
于是我用手指向他们展示了我的年龄。
[SPEAKING HMONG] Interpreter I did this, and I did this.
[说苗族语] 翻译 我做了这个，我做了这个。
Yong holds up 10 fingers, pauses, then holds up nine more.
Yong 举起 10 个手指，停顿一下，然后又举起 9 个手指。
10 plus 9, 19.
10 加 9, 19。
The Customs and Border Protection officer asked to see her passport.
海关和边境保护局官员要求查看她的护照。
Yong doesn't speak English, and the officer doesn't speak her language, Hmong.
勇不会说英语，军官也不会说她的语言——苗语。
There's no interpreter.
没有翻译员。
I gave them my passport, and then they looked at it and asked me to write down my birthday.
我把护照给了他们，然后他们看了看，让我写下我的生日。
What did you write down?
你写了什么？
Interpreter [SPEAKING HMONG]
口译员 [苗族语]
[SPEAKING HMONG] Interpreter June 4, 1997.
[苗族语] 翻译 1997 年 6 月 4 日。
So then they asked me about my birthday again and again.
然后他们就一次又一次地问我的生日。
After they got my birthday, they looked at me and kind of just thought whatever they're thinking, that maybe I was too little, or my size was something that they were looking at.
在我生日后，他们看着我，心里想的都是，也许我太小了，或者我的尺寸是他们所关注的。
At this point, the officer pulls Yong aside and calls another officer, and another, and another.
这时，这名警官将勇拉到一边，并叫来了另一名警官，然后又叫了另一名警官，又叫了另一名警官。
At least five Customs and Border Protection officers all inspect Yong and conclude that she, quote, appeared to be under the age of 18 based on her physical characteristics and childlike mannerisms.
至少 5 名海关和边境保护局官员都对 Yong 进行了检查，并根据她的身体特征和孩子般的举止得出结论，她似乎未满 18 岁。
That's what it says in her immigration documents.
她的移民文件上就是这么说的。
I saw a bunch of them.
我看到了他们中的一群。
Customs and Border Protection, or CBP, is trained to watch out for child trafficking.
海关和边境保护局 (CBP) 接受过监视儿童贩运的培训。
And they thought Yong looked too childlike to be 19.
他们认为 Yong 看起来太孩子气了，不像 19 岁。
For what it's worth, Yong does look very young.
无论如何，勇看起来确实很年轻。
When I met her, I thought so, too.
当我遇见她时，我也是这么想的。
She didn't look like a young woman.
她看起来不像一个年轻女子。
She looked 13.
她看起来13岁。
So the officers went through her papers.
于是，官员们检查了她的文件。
They learned that she's here to get married.
他们得知她来这里是为了结婚。
She has a fiancee visa, so to get it, she's already had to do an interview at the American embassy back in Laos.
她有未婚妻签证，所以为了获得它，她必须在老挝的美国大使馆进行面试。
She's gone through a whole process to confirm that she wasn't lying, that her engagement wasn't a sham.
她经历了整个过程来确认她没有说谎，她的订婚也不是假的。
And the government decided that yes, everything checked out.
政府决定，是的，一切都经过检查。
Visa approved.
签证获批。
But now, here she is, watching the officers going through her stuff, her bags, her suitcase.
但现在，她在这里，看着警察检查她的东西、她的包、她的手提箱。
And they find pictures of her with her fiancé.
他们还找到了她和未婚夫的照片。
I've seen them.
我见过他们。
Some are totally innocuous.
有些是完全无害的。
They're from their engagement ceremony.
他们来自订婚仪式。
Yong and her fiancé are both dressed up, tons of flowers.
勇和她的未婚夫都盛装打扮，鲜花盛开。
But in a couple pictures taken in some park, Yong's fiancé is kissing her on the mouth, and Yong is looking away.
但在某公园拍摄的几张照片中，勇的未婚夫正在亲吻她的嘴，而勇却把目光移开。
Her face is contorted.
她的脸扭曲了。
You could say she looks put off, disgusted even.
你可以说她看起来很厌烦，甚至厌恶。
Yong's family told me that Yong almost always looks grumpy in pictures.
勇的家人告诉我，照片中勇几乎总是看起来脾气暴躁。
A cousin said that Yong never smiles, not even in the ones with just us girl cousins.
一个表弟说，勇从来不笑，即使是和我们表妹在一起的时候也是如此。
But the officers note that in the photos with her fiancé, Yong seemed, quote, "physically scared and uncomfortable." They wonder whether Yong has been brought here against her will.
但警方指出，在与未婚夫的照片中，杨似乎“感到害怕和不舒服”。他们想知道勇是否是在违背她意愿的情况下被带到这里的。
Fiancé visas and work visas are a common way traffickers use to get people into the country legally.
未婚夫签证和工作签证是人贩子用来让人们合法进入该国的常用方式。
So they get an officer who speaks Hmong and start to ask Yong a bunch of questions.
于是他们找了一位会说苗语的军官，开始问 Yong 一堆问题。
What's your full name?
你的全名是什么？
Is this your passport?
这是你的护照吗？
How many siblings do you have?
你有几个兄弟姐妹？
Where did you meet your fiancé?
你在哪里认识你的未婚夫的？
Oh, and what was your age again?
哦，你当时几岁了？
All of which Yong seemingly answers without hesitation.
对于这一切，勇似乎都毫不犹豫地回答了。
Yong Xiong.
勇雄.
Yep, that's her passport.
是的，那是她的护照。
Seven sisters.
七姐妹。
Met her fiancé in Laos at a New Year's party.
在老挝的一次新年聚会上认识了她的未婚夫。
He's a US citizen, naturalized.
他是美国公民，已入籍。
He's also Hmong.
他也是苗族。
Her date of birth?
她的出生日期？
June 4, 1997.
1997 年 6 月 4 日。
She's 19.
她19岁了。
He's 22.
他22岁了。
So did they tell you at some point that they were worried that you were being trafficked?
那么他们是否在某个时候告诉过您他们担心您被贩运？
[SPEAKING HMONG] Interpreter Yeah, they did tell me that.
[苗族语] 翻译 是的，他们确实告诉了我这一点。
What did you say when they told you that?
当他们告诉你这些时你说什么？
[SPEAKING HMONG] Interpreter I just thought no, that's nuts.
[苗族语] 翻译 我只是觉得不，那太疯狂了。
That's not what's happening.
事实并非如此。
[SPEAKING HMONG] Interpreter I just told them it was my choice.
[苗族语] 翻译 我只是告诉他们这是我的选择。
That I was not being trafficked, and it was my decision to come to the US to be with my fiancé.
我没有被贩运，我决定来美国与我的未婚夫在一起。
Because it was my choice.
因为这是我的选择。
[SPEAKING HMONG] Nadia Reiman The officers go through a checklist of 11 questions to determine whether Yong is being trafficked, stuff like, is she missing any documents?
[苗族语] Nadia Reiman 警员会检查包含 11 个问题的清单，以确定 Yong 是否被贩运，例如，她是否缺少任何文件？
Does she appear scared?
她看起来很害怕吗？
The answer to 10 of them is no. But then there's one about whether or not she's been coached on what to say.
其中 10 个答案是否定的。但还有一个问题是她是否接受过关于该说什么的指导。
And that one the officers write down, quote, "Appear to be." That, plus the fact that she looked so young, seemed to make the officers believe that, yeah, she's probably trafficked.
官员们写下的那句话，引用了“看来是”。再加上她看起来如此年轻，似乎让警察相信，是的，她可能被拐卖了。
This checklist is just normal procedure.
该清单只是正常程序。
It's what officers have to do if they think something's going on.
如果警察认为发生了什么事，他们就必须这么做。
But then they did do something unusual.
但随后他们确实做了一些不寻常的事情。
They wrote a new birthday into her file, January 1, 2000, making her a minor, 17 years old.
他们在她的档案中写入了一个新的生日，2000 年 1 月 1 日，使她成为未成年人，17 岁。
There were a lot of unusual things that happened in Yong's case, and this made-up birthday is the first one.
勇的案件中发生了很多不寻常的事情，而这个虚构的生日是第一个。
The officers tell Yong she has to stay at the airport overnight.
警察告诉勇，她必须在机场过夜。
In the morning, they tell her through a Hmong speaker that they need to figure out if she's over 18.
早上，他们通过苗族人告诉她，他们需要弄清楚她是否已年满 18 岁。
If she is, fine.
如果她是，那很好。
If not, it'll be a problem.
如果没有，那就有问题了。
They tell Yong to find out how old you really are, we're going to take you to a dentist.
他们让勇查一下你的真实年龄，我们要带你去看牙医。
Yong had never been to a dentist before.
Yong以前从未看过牙医。
As she took a seat in the waiting room, she just thought, I guess this is normal.
当她在候诊室坐下时，她只是想，我想这很正常。
This is what they do when you enter the United States.
这就是您进入美国时他们所做的。
I waited until they called my name, took me to the dental chair and told me to just sit down and lay back.
我等到他们叫我的名字，把我带到牙科椅前，让我坐下来躺下。
And then they told me open my mouth.
然后他们让我张开嘴。
And then they had a stick that looked like it had a mirror on it.
然后他们有一根看起来像上面有镜子的棍子。
And they went to the side here and this side, all around on the inside.
他们走到这边、这边，都在里面。
I didn't.
我没有。
It was just pointing and hand gestures.
这只是指点和手势。
[SPEAKING HMONG] They said, open your mouth, like this.
[说苗语] 他们说，张开你的嘴，就像这样。
Yong shows me how they moved their hand, like a sock puppet who just opened its mouth wide.
勇向我展示了他们如何移动他们的手，就像一个刚刚张开嘴的袜子木偶。
Like with your hand?
就像你的手一样？
Interpreter [SPEAKING HMONG] Yes.
口译员 [苗族语] 是的。
[SPEAKING HMONG] Interpreter I remember they told me to bite down, too.
[苗族语] 翻译 我记得他们也叫我咬下去。
The dentist took the X-ray.
牙医拍了X光片。
No one would talk to me on the record about this, but because it's the government, there is a massive paper trail.
没有人会跟我公开谈论此事，但因为是政府，所以有大量的书面记录。
And not just in Yong's case.
不仅仅是勇的例子。
I'm going to go deep on these tooth X-rays for a second, so bear with me.
我将深入研究这些牙齿 X 光片，所以请耐心等待。
They're used all kinds of immigration cases, not just trafficking.
他们用于处理各种移民案件，而不仅仅是人口贩运案件。
And a lot rides on the results.
很大程度上取决于结果。
If you're under 18, you have more protections.
如果您未满 18 岁，您将获得更多保护。
You get put into a shelter instead of a detention center.
您会被安置在庇护所而不是拘留中心。
It's harder to get deported.
被驱逐出境更难了
But tooth X-rays are just not a very precise way to determine someone's age.
但牙齿 X 光检查并不是确定某人年龄的非常精确的方法。
The way it works is they measure how developed the roots of your molars are, and then based on that, the dentist can determine your age, but only within a range, usually around five years.
其工作原理是测量你的臼齿根部的发育程度，然后根据该数据，牙医可以确定你的年龄，但只能在一个范围内，通常是五岁左右。
So these X-rays can't tell you the difference between a 17-year-old and a 19-year-old.
所以这些X光片无法告诉你17岁和19岁之间的区别。
The same teeth might belong to a 15-year-old or a 20-year-old.
同样的牙齿可能属于 15 岁或 20 岁的人。
Back in 2007, Congress told ICE they were, quote, "troubled by the use of these exams," by their lack of accuracy and by the fact that migrants don't necessarily give consent.
早在 2007 年，国会就告诉 ICE，他们“对这些检查的使用感到困扰”，因为它们缺乏准确性，而且移民不一定表示同意。
Congress said please stop.
国会说请停止。
And yet, the government keeps using them anyway.
然而，政府仍然继续使用它们。
And also, I found out the way the government is using these X-rays is alarming.
而且，我发现政府使用这些 X 射线的方式令人震惊。
They're using the teeth to make migrants the age they want them to be.
他们利用牙齿让移民达到他们想要的年龄。
A political science professor at Northwestern named Jackie Stevens is the one who told me about this.
西北大学政治学教授杰基·史蒂文斯是告诉我这件事的人。
Back in 2018, Jackie was helping research a legal case.
早在 2018 年，Jackie 就正在帮助研究一个法律案件。
She runs something called the Deportation Research Clinic, which reports on government misconduct.
她经营着一个名为“驱逐研究诊所”的机构，专门报告政府的不当行为。
And she got a giant document dump from the Office of Refugee Resettlement, ORR, people putting migrant kids into shelters.
她从难民安置办公室 (ORR) 那里得到了一份巨大的文件转储，人们将移民儿童安置在庇护所中。
She got about 5,000 pages.
她有大约 5,000 页。
The documents revealed that ORR had done hundreds of these forensic exams on migrants over the past couple of years.
文件显示，ORR 在过去几年中对移民进行了数百次法医检查。
Jackie found two things that ORR was doing wrong.
Jackie 发现 ORR 做错了两件事。
One is they were using exams they weren't supposed to.
一是他们使用了不应该使用的考试。
The rule is that, legally speaking, if you're trying to prove someone is an adult, you can only take into account exams that show that with at least 75% probability.
规则是，从法律上讲，如果你想证明某人是成年人，你只能考虑以至少 75% 的概率证明这一点的考试。
If they're below that threshold, you can't use them as evidence.
如果它们低于该阈值，您就不能将它们用作证据。
But Jackie found that ORR was consistently determining people's ages with reports they weren't supposed to use.
但 Jackie 发现 ORR 一直在用不应该使用的报告来确定人们的年龄。
The second big thing Jackie found, time and again, ORR used the age range in the report to make the migrant 18 or over.
Jackie 发现的第二件大事是，ORR 一次又一次地使用报告中的年龄范围将移民认定为 18 岁或以上。
So if they got a range that said this person could be 15 to 23, they'd pick at least 18.
因此，如果他们得到的范围表明此人可能在 15 到 23 岁之间，那么他们至少会选择 18 岁。
It's hard to know exactly why ORR would do this.
很难确切知道 ORR 为何要这样做。
I asked ORR why.
我问 ORR 为什么。
Like, what's in it for them?
就像，这对他们有什么好处？
They never responded.
他们从未回应。
But the way the teeth are usually being used is mostly to turn boys into men.
但牙齿通常的用途主要是把男孩变成男人。
In Yong's case, the opposite seemed to happen.
在勇的例子中，情况似乎恰恰相反。
Her X-ray was used to make her officially a child in the bureaucracy of the US immigration system.
她的 X 光检查使她正式成为美国移民系统官僚机构中的孩子。
CBP had flagged her as a possible trafficking victim.
美国海关和边境保护局已将她标记为可能的人口贩运受害者。
She looked young.
她看起来很年轻。
Southeast Asia is a trafficking hotbed.
东南亚是人口贩卖的温床。
And once that idea took hold of US government agencies, it was very hard for Yong to shake.
一旦这个想法在美国政府机构中占据一席之地，杨就很难动摇。
Because the way I see it, if the government sees Yong as a girl entering the country in danger, as a girl coerced, a girl too small to be a bride, then they had to protect her.
因为在我看来，如果政府认为勇作为一个女孩进入该国处于危险之中，作为一个被胁迫的女孩，一个太小而无法成为新娘的女孩，那么他们必须保护她。
And even if part of the officer suspected she might be telling the truth, that she might really be 19, that she might really be here because she wants to get married, they'd have to be sure-- like 100% sure.
即使警官的一部分怀疑她可能说的是实话，她可能真的19岁，她可能真的因为她想结婚而来这里，他们也必须确定——就像100%确定一样。
So they had her teeth X-rayed.
所以他们给她的牙齿做了X光检查。
In the documents, the dentist writes, quote, "The range of possible ages is 14.76 to 19.56 years." In other words, it's totally plausible that Yong could be 19 as she's been saying.
牙医在文件中写道，“可能的年龄范围是 14.76 至 19.56 岁。”换句话说，Yong 完全有可能像她所说的那样 19 岁。
But she could also be 17, like the officers decided.
但正如官员们所决定的那样，她也可能是 17 岁。
They seemed to use the X-rays as proof that they're right.
他们似乎用 X 射线来证明他们是对的。
Yong's new birth date of January 1, 2000, it sticks.
勇的新出生日期是2000年1月1日，就这样粘着了。
And it starts to reshape her life.
这开始重塑她的生活。
The agents drive Yong straight from the dentist to a juvenile shelter.
特工们直接将勇从牙医那里带到了青少年收容所。
It's in Chicago.
这是在芝加哥。
It looks like a school.
它看起来像一所学校。
It's run by ORR.
它由 ORR 运营。
She's told she can't talk to her fiancé, the supposed trafficker.
她被告知不能与她的未婚夫（所谓的人贩子）交谈。
As soon as she is allowed to, Yong calls her mom.
一旦获得允许，勇就给她妈妈打电话。
I just told her they brought me to this place to stay with all these kids.
我只是告诉她他们带我到这个地方和所有这些孩子住在一起。
I just thought, now I'm in their hands, and this is where they put me.
我只是想，现在我在他们手里了，这就是他们把我放在哪里。
I don't know what's going to happen next.
我不知道接下来会发生什么。
[SPEAKING HMONG] Nadia Reiman Yong is assigned to a room with four other girls.
[说苗族语] Nadia Reiman Yong 被分配到与另外四个女孩住在一起的房间。
There are 13-year-olds at the shelter, but also babies.
收容所里有 13 岁的孩子，也有婴儿。
She spends her days doing all these kids things, like she has to vote for which kids movie to watch during movie night.
她整天都在做所有这些孩子们的事情，比如她必须投票选出在电影之夜观看哪部儿童电影。
She goes on trips to the zoo.
她去动物园旅行。
She does math worksheets.
她做数学作业。
She gets clothes to wear while she's there, but they don't fit her because she's so small.
她在那儿时买了衣服穿，但这些衣服不适合她，因为她太小了。
At first, Yong soldiers on.
初，勇兵上。
She starts to learn English.
她开始学习英语。
She thinks she'll just sit tight, and it'll all get sorted out.
她认为只要静观其变，一切都会迎刃而解。
She's pragmatic, keeps a tight lid on her emotions.
她很务实，严格控制自己的情绪。
When she's assigned to a clinician, Yong tells her right away, like the day they meet, that she's 19.
当她被分配给一名临床医生时，Yong 立即告诉她，就像他们见面的那天一样，她已经 19 岁了。
She's here to be with her fiancé.
她来这里是为了和她的未婚夫在一起。
Two days later, she brings it up again.
两天后，她再次提起这件事。
Nothing changes.
没有任何改变。
She brings it up dozens of times.
她曾多次提起这件事。
It's in all her shelter documents.
她所有的庇护所文件里都有。
In one note, the clinician writes, quote, "Minor repeated to clinician she is not under 18.
临床医生在一份便条中写道，“Minor 向临床医生重复说，她未满 18 岁。
Clinician told minor she believes her.
临床医生告诉未成年人她相信她。
But there needs to be documentation to prove her statement."
但需要有文件来证明她的说法。”
Day in and day out, Yong keeps asking, what's happening?
日复一日，勇不断地问，发生了什么事？
Why am I here?
我为什么在这里？
Her frustration starts to bubble.
她的沮丧开始冒泡。
I told them I'm almost 20.
我告诉他们我快20岁了。
I came here in April, and my birthday's in June.
我四月来到这里，六月是我的生日。
So I'm almost 20.
所以我快20岁了。
They told me, we can't change that for you.
他们告诉我，我们无法为你改变这一点。
We can't help you with that because this birthday that is on the paperwork is what came with you when you were admitted into this building.
我们无法帮助您，因为文件上的生日是您入住这栋大楼时附带的生日。
This is not true, by the way.
顺便说一句，这不是真的。
ORR makes changes to ages based on dental X-rays like the ones I mentioned at any point.
ORR 根据牙科 X 光检查年龄进行更改，就像我在任何时候提到的那样。
They can happen even after someone's been admitted.
即使某人被录取后，它们也可能发生。
Yong has an aunt named Xia in Minnesota, one she doesn't know very well.
勇在明尼苏达州有一位阿姨，名叫夏，她对阿姨不太了解。
They met once back in Laos.
他们在老挝见过一次面。
And she asks, since they won't release her to be with her fiancé, can she be released to go live with her aunt?
她问，既然他们不让她和她的未婚夫在一起，那么她可以被释放去和她的姨妈住在一起吗？
The shelter contacts the aunt to test her DNA to make sure she and Yong are related.
收容所联系了阿姨，测试她的 DNA，以确保她和勇有亲属关系。
They are.
他们是。
But the shelter decides not to release Yong to Aunt Xia because Xia tells them that Yong is an adult.
但收容所决定不将勇释放给夏阿姨，因为夏阿姨告诉他们勇已经是成年人了。
So the shelter concludes she might let Yong run off with the fiancé/supposed trafficker.
因此，庇护所得出的结论是，她可能会让勇与未婚夫/涉嫌人贩子私奔。
At one point, her documents say, quote, "Minor began to state she doesn't know what to do anymore.
她的文件称，有一次，“未成年人开始表示她不知道该怎么办了。
And she cannot think of any solutions and feels stuck in the program." And also, quote, "Minor states that she is 20 years old, and no one believes her."
她想不出任何解决办法，感觉自己被困在这个计划里了。”另外，引用一句：“Minor 说她已经 20 岁了，但没有人相信她。”
January 1, 2018 was looming closer.
距离2018年1月1日越来越近了。
At that point, Yong would reach her fake 18th birthday, after which she'd be a legal adult, again, and not really shelter material.
到那时，Yong 将迎来她假的 18 岁生日，之后她将再次成为一个合法的成年人，而不是真正的庇护所材料。
[SPEAKING HMONG] Interpreter So as I stayed there and it got closer to my 18th birthday, the 18th birthday that they gave me, they had informed me that once I had turned 18, they were going to take me out and put me in a different facility.
[苗族语] 口译员 当我住在那里时，距离我的 18 岁生日越来越近，他们给我的 18 岁生日，他们告诉我，一旦我满 18 岁，他们就会把我带出去，并把我安置在另一个设施里。
And so that's when they switched it and gave me a new birthday, September 1, 2002.
就在那时，他们改变了做法，给了我一个新的生日，2002 年 9 月 1 日。
Wait, so they switched you and gave you another fake birthday?
等等，所以他们换了你，又给了你一个假生日？
So they gave me a new fake birthday, but one that made me younger, too.
所以他们给了我一个新的假生日，但也让我变得更年轻。
Did you ask why?
你问为什么吗？
Yong Xiong [SPEAKING HMONG]
熊勇 [苗语]
I did.
我做到了。
And I asked them, why couldn't they just give me my real birthday?
我问他们，为什么他们不能给我真正的生日呢？
And they said, no, they couldn't do that.
他们说，不，他们不能那样做。
And they didn't know why they couldn't do that.
他们不知道为什么他们不能这样做。
I looked into it.
我调查了一下。
It turns out ORR resubmitted the X-rays of Yong's teeth to a second dentist who concluded Yong could be anywhere between 15 and 20 years old.
结果 ORR 将 Yong 牙齿的 X 光片重新提交给了第二位牙医，后者得出的结论是 Yong 的年龄可能在 15 岁到 20 岁之间。
After which, ORR did change her birth date.
此后，ORR确实更改了她的出生日期。
But they used the lowest end of the range possible.
但他们使用了尽可能范围的最低端。
The documents say DHS, the agency that oversees everything related to immigration, told them to.
文件称，负责监督与移民有关的一切事务的国土安全部告诉他们这样做。
Her new, new birth date is now September 1, 2002.
她的新出生日期现在是 2002 年 9 月 1 日。
The shelter orders a wrist X-ray to assess the age of Yong's skeleton.
收容所要求对阿勇进行手腕X光检查，以评估阿勇骨骼的年龄。
The results come back that Yong is likely 18.
结果显示，Yong 很可能是 18 岁。
The doctor concludes that Yong is still 15, just has, quote, "advanced bone age." She's gone from being 19 to 17 to 15, just like Benjamin Button.
医生得出的结论是，勇还只有 15 岁，只是“骨龄提前”。她从 19 岁变成了 17 岁，再到 15 岁，就像本杰明·巴顿一样。
You know that kind of nightmare where you're trying to run, but you can't move?
你知道那种你想逃跑却无法动弹的噩梦吗？
Yong says living inside the shelter was just like that.
勇说，住在收容所里就是这样。
Day after day, she watches the kids around her leave to go stay with relatives.
日复一日，她看着周围的孩子离开去亲戚家住。
But she's trapped.
但她被困住了。
The clinician notes that Yong's become more irritated.
临床医生指出，勇变得更加烦躁。
And then about 10 months into her shelter stay, something pushes Yong over the edge.
在收容所呆了大约 10 个月后，有件事将 Yong 推向了崩溃的边缘。
I was hanging out with my friends, and then my friends had asked me what my name was.
我和朋友们一起出去玩，然后我的朋友们问我叫什么名字。
I told them my name was Yong Xiong.
我告诉他们我叫永雄。
And so the friend came and said, well, who is Jane Doe?
于是朋友过来问，那么，无名氏是谁？
And I told them, huh?
我告诉他们，嗯？
I don't know who Jane Doe is.
我不知道简·多伊是谁。
The friend said come here.
朋友说来吧。
I wasn't able to read and write well enough yet.
我的阅读和写作还不够好。
And so the friend said, let me show you.
所以朋友说，让我给你看看。
On the outside of my door, it said Jane Doe as my name.
我的门外面写着我的名字“Jane Doe”。
I was so angry.
我很生气。
And I had a permanent marker with me, so I went outside of my room and blacked out the Jane Doe name that was on the outside of my door.
我随身带着永久记号笔，所以我走出房间，把门外的无名氏名字涂黑。
And I just marked it all off.
我刚刚把它全部标记掉了。
A worker came by and said, who vandalized my name on my door?
一个工人走过来说，谁把我门上的名字弄坏了？
And I told her, I did it, because that's not my name.
我告诉她，我做到了，因为那不是我的名字。
Yong had had it.
勇已经受够了。
Nadia Reiman And then what did you do after that?
Nadia Reiman 那之后你做了什么？
Then after that, I refused to pick up my meals under the name Jane Doe.
此后，我拒绝以无名氏的名义取餐。
And they were asking why I wouldn't pick up my meals.
他们问我为什么不去取餐。
And I said because I don't know who Jane Doe is.
我说是因为我不知道简·无名是谁。
I'm not Jane Doe.
我不是简·多伊。
At that moment, I was really angry, thinking I have a mom.
那一刻，我真的很生气，以为我有妈妈。
I have a dad who gave me my name.
我有一个爸爸，他给了我名字。
Why not use my real name?
为什么不用我的真名？
Why give me that name?
为什么给我起这个名字？
I didn't like that name at all.
我根本不喜欢这个名字。
So the shelter is like, fine.
所以避难所就像，很好。
We won't call you Jane Doe anymore.
我们不会再叫你简·无名了。
For the first time in almost a year, Yong is heard.
近一年来，第一次听到勇的声音。
Meanwhile, in the outside world, many parts of the US government with many different acronyms are trying to figure out what the hell is going on with Yong.
与此同时，在外界，美国政府的许多部门都在试图弄清楚杨到底出了什么事。
ORR, the shelter people, who've been given the new age by DHS, the immigration people, are running around with the OS, the State Department people, to confirm what CBP, the Border Protection people, originally thought of Yong, the migrant person.
ORR（庇护所人员）被国土安全部（移民人员）赋予了新时代，他们正在与 OS（国务院人员）四处奔走，以确认 CBP（边境保护人员）最初对移民人员 Yong 的看法。
It turns out, according to Yong's family, someone from the US embassy office in Laos went around Yong's village asking questions, asking to see her family registry, which is this record that families in Laos keep that basically lists who was born when.
据Yong的家人说，原来，美国驻老挝大使馆的人到Yong的村子里询问，要求查看她的户口簿，这是老挝家庭保存的记录，基本上列出了谁出生的时间。
Also, they asked the Laos embassy to confirm Yong's fifth grade and ninth grade school certificates.
此外，他们还要求老挝大使馆确认Yong的五年级和九年级学校证书。
Both have her age, and the embassy says they're both legit
两人都有她的年龄，大使馆说他们都是合法的
I talked to an ICE spokesperson, more immigration people, and they say that going deep like that doesn't sound uncommon.
我与 ICE 发言人以及更多移民人士交谈过，他们说这样的深入调查听起来并不罕见。
Like if they think they have a case of human trafficking on their hands, they spend time and resources checking it out, especially if they think the victim is a minor and especially if the region is known as a place where trafficking is common, which Southeast Asia is.
就像如果他们认为自己手头上有人口贩运案件，他们就会花时间和资源进行检查，特别是如果他们认为受害者是未成年人，特别是如果该地区被认为是人口贩运猖獗的地区，例如东南亚。
In the embassy's report about Yong, it says that, quote, "It does occur that the Hmong population will represent themselves as older for the purpose of applying for a visa." And quote, "Usually under questioning, the girls will admit their real age if they lied." And quote, "Common for them to look very young, malnutritioned, underdeveloped."
在大使馆关于勇的报告中，引用了这样的话：“苗族人口确实会为了申请签证而将自己描述为老年人。”并引用：“通常在审问下，如果女孩撒谎，她们就会承认自己的真实年龄。”并引用：“他们看起来很年轻，营养不良，发育不全。”
In Laos, the average height of a woman is about 4 foot 9 inches.
在老挝，女性的平均身高约为 4 英尺 9 英寸。
This makes them one of the shortest populations in the world.
这使他们成为世界上人口最矮的人之一。
At 4 foot 7, Yong is shorter than average, but not unusual for Laos.
Yong 身高 4 英尺 7 英寸，低于平均水平，但对于老挝来说并不罕见。
It's obvious that Yong is being measured with a Western ruler.
很明显，雍是用西方的统治者来衡量的。
The fiancé was never charged with anything.
未婚夫从未被指控任何罪名。
He says no law enforcement came to talk to him.
他说没有执法人员来与他交谈。
Lawyers that deal with cases like this told me this is unusual if he was actually a trafficking suspect.
处理此类案件的律师告诉我，如果他实际上是人口贩运嫌疑人，那么这很不寻常。
Normally, an investigator from ICE would show up to interview him, but as far as I can tell, no one did.
通常情况下，ICE 的一名调查员会出现采访他，但据我所知，没有人这样做。
There is one thing I found out, though-- something about Yong's fiancé that troubled me when I heard it.
不过，我发现了一件事——当我听到勇的未婚夫的消息时，我感到很困扰。
One person working with Yong told me that he was kind of a big jerk, that he yelled and threatened the shelter when he was talking to them about Yong, and that when the shelter said this will be a process to get her out, he said fine.
一位与勇一起工作的人告诉我，他是个大混蛋，当他与他们谈论勇时，他大喊大叫并威胁庇护所，当庇护所说这将是让她离开的过程时，他说很好。
If you don't let her out, then I don't want her anyway.
如果你不让她出去，我就不要她了。
The person I spoke with said that's why the shelter didn't want to release her to him.
与我交谈的人说这就是庇护所不想将她释放给他的原因。
They were afraid he didn't really care about her.
他们担心他并不真正关心她。
I ran this by Yong's fiancé, and he says none of this is true.
我通过勇的未婚夫报道了这件事，他说这些都不是真的。
He would have loved to talk to Yong, but he says the shelter wouldn't let him.
他很想和勇谈谈，但他说庇护所不允许他这样做。
He says that at one point, he took a week off and weighted by the phone because the shelter said they would call him.
他说，有一次，他请了一个星期的假，并打电话给他，因为收容所说他们会打电话给他。
They never did.
他们从来没有这样做过。
Finally, on June 8, 2018, about 14 months after entering the shelter and four days after her 21st birthday, Yong is released.
最终，2018 年 6 月 8 日，也就是进入收容所约 14 个月后，也是她 21 岁生日后的四天，Yong 被释放。
They release her as a minor under the custody of her aunt, Aunt Xia.
他们将未成年的她释放，由她的姨妈夏姨监护。
This is her.
这就是她。
They said, we are releasing her to you.
他们说，我们把她交给你了。
You need to be aware that she is only 15.
你需要知道她只有15岁。
We've given her multiple birth dates, but that's the birthday that she's coming home with.
我们给了她多个出生日期，但那是她回家的生日。
It is the birthday that she is 15 years old.
那天是她15岁的生日。
You need to keep an eye on her.
你需要留意她。
You must know that anyone who is 18 or older comes and takes her to go get married, you will go to jail for it.
你要知道，任何18岁以上的人来带她去结婚，你都会因此而坐牢。
[SPEAKING HMONG] Nadia Reiman What did you think about that?
[苗族语] Nadia Reiman 你对此有何看法？
So I didn't say much, and I didn't think much.
所以我没有多说什么，也没有多想。
I just thought, OK, the Lord gave her a birthday.
我只是想，好吧，主给了她一个生日。
But you choose to give her a birthday, and just send her home with the birthday you gave her.
但你选择给她过生日，然后带着你给她的生日送她回家。
Even if she's just 10, I just want her home.
即使她只有10岁，我也只想让她回家。
So Yong went to live with her Aunt Xia in St. Paul, 15 miles from her fiancé.
于是，勇前往圣保罗与她的夏阿姨住在一起，距离她的未婚夫 15 英里。
In May, I visited them.
五月份，我拜访了他们。
Yong's been living with Xia for a year.
勇已经和夏住了一年了。
She has to, because according to one part of the government, she's 17, which means--
她必须这么做，因为根据政府的一项说法，她已经 17 岁了，这意味着——
OK.
好的。
So the first thing that I want to do is we finished female reproductive system, right?
所以我想做的第一件事就是我们完成女性生殖系统，对吗？
We've finished male reproductive system with the parts, right?
我们已经用这些部件完成了男性生殖系统，对吗？
She has to go to high school.
她必须去上高中。
It's one of the conditions of her release.
这是释放她的条件之一。
I went with her on a Monday to her health class, where she was learning about pregnancy and the placenta.
周一我和她一起去参加她的健康课程，她在那里学习有关怀孕和胎盘的知识。
She's a freshman there.
她是那里的一年级学生。
And you know what?
你知道吗？
She likes high school.
她喜欢高中。
She's there with a bunch of English language learners.
她和一群英语学习者在一起。
So the teacher helps the students repeat everything.
所以老师帮助学生重复一切。
--to the mother, then-- Teacher --then out.
——对母亲，然后—— 老师——然后出去。
Yeah.
是的。
So the mother, she gets the waste, and she has to say, oh!
所以母亲，她得到了废物，她不得不说，哦！
Bathroom.
浴室。
She's in a school full of other immigrant kids.
她在一所充满其他移民孩子的学校里。
Most of them don't know how much older she is.
他们中的大多数人都不知道她的年龄有多大。
She doesn't bring it up, and they don't seem aware of it.
她没有提起这件事，他们似乎也没有意识到这一点。
And then finally, after more than two years of waiting, Yong got her identity back.
经过两年多的等待，勇终于找回了自己的身份。
She had an immigration hearing just two weeks ago at the end of June, a little after her 22nd birthday.
两周前的 6 月底，也就是她 22 岁生日刚过不久，她刚刚举行了一次移民听证会。
DHS told Yong's lawyers that they were dropping the age thing.
国土安全部告诉杨的律师，他们将放弃年龄问题。
They said they were not contesting her passport or, quote, "any of its contents," which of course include her birth date-- you know, the one she says is real, June 4, 1997.
他们说，他们并不是对她的护照或“护照上的任何内容”提出质疑，其中当然包括她的出生日期——你知道，她说的是真实的出生日期，1997 年 6 月 4 日。
Yong went home that day and called her fiancé at night.
勇当天回家，晚上给未婚夫打电话。
It was the first time they were allowed to talk since she got to the States.
这是自从她到达美国以来他们第一次被允许谈话。
They cried.
他们哭了。
Then they made dinner plans.
然后他们制定了晚餐计划。
Yong was happy, but sort of isn't used to the idea that this is real.
Yong很高兴，但有点不习惯这是真的。
Same thing for her fiancé.
她的未婚夫也是如此。
He says he keeps wondering if she really is here for good and if legally, he really is allowed to marry her.
他说他一直想知道她是否真的永远在这里，如果合法的话，他真的可以娶她。
So for now, he just waits for Yong to call him and make plans.
所以现在，他只等勇打电话给他，制定计划。
So I still can't say exactly why any of this happened to Yong.
所以我仍然不能确切地说为什么这一切发生在Yong身上。
I reached out to all the immigration agencies involved in this case.
我联系了涉及此案的所有移民机构。
CBP and ICE both declined to comment on Yong, and ORR as well, because, they say, she's a minor.
CBP 和 ICE 都拒绝对 Yong 和 ORR 发表评论，因为他们说，她是未成年人。
Her lawyers' take on why this happened is they think the government made a judgment call and screwed up, and just started something in motion they didn't know how to stop.
她的律师对为什么会发生这种情况的看法是，他们认为政府做出了判断，结果搞砸了，只是开始了一些他们不知道如何阻止的事情。
On some level, it seems like maybe everyone was just afraid to miss a trafficking case.
在某种程度上，似乎每个人都只是害怕错过人口贩卖案件。
And then her passport, her visa, all her documents from Laos just didn't matter anymore.
然后她的护照、签证、所有来自老挝的文件都不再重要了。
Yong's still here under a fiancé visa, so she has to get married.
Yong仍然持有未婚夫签证，所以她必须结婚。
If she doesn't, she has to go back to Laos.
如果她不这样做，她就必须返回老挝。
She's back at square one.
她又回到了原点。
It's like she just came into the States, holding her passport and her suitcase.
就像她拿着护照和手提箱刚来到美国一样。
Like no time has passed when she landed at O'Hare in 2017-- except it has.
当她于 2017 年登陆奥黑尔大学时，一切似乎都过去了——只不过现在已经过去了。
Nadia Reiman is one of the producers of our show.
纳迪亚·雷曼 (Nadia Reiman) 是我们节目的制片人之一。
Coming up, a whole country gets obsessed with rescuing a girl-- a missing girl.
接下来，整个国家都热衷于营救一个女孩——一个失踪的女孩。
This in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
这是芝加哥公共广播电台的一分钟节目，我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, Save the Girl, real life damsel-in-distress stories, where rescuers charge in, going full force on the rescuing, assuming that they know what is best for the girl that they're saving-- but really, not paying too much attention to what she might like or who she really is.
今天的节目《拯救女孩》是现实生活中遇险少女的故事，救援人员冲锋在前，全力救援，假设他们知道什么对他们所拯救的女孩最好，但实际上，并没有过多关注她可能喜欢什么或她到底是谁。
This kind of saving the innocent girl, damsel-in-distress story, there's this old video that I love of the novelist Kurt Vonnegut, and he's talking about the effect of that story on people.
这种拯救无辜女孩、遇险少女的故事，有一个我很喜欢小说家库尔特·冯内古特的旧视频，他正在谈论那个故事对人们的影响。
In the video, he's standing at a blackboard, explaining that classic stories each have their own formula.
在视频中，他站在黑板前，解释说每个经典故事都有自己的公式。
And then he's literally mapping them out on the board.
然后他将它们真实地绘制在黑板上。
So there's no reason why the simple shapes of stories can't be fed into computers.
因此，简单的故事形式没有理由不能输入计算机。
They are beautiful shapes.
它们的形状很漂亮。
And then he starts to draw graphs, draw these shapes representing different types of stories.
然后他开始画图表，画这些代表不同类型故事的形状。
So picture, OK, like in school, an x and a y-axis, right?
所以想象一下，好吧，就像在学校里一样，一个 x 轴和一个 y 轴，对吧？
With me?
与我一起？
And then the vertical axis represents here how good or how badly a person is doing in their life.
然后纵轴代表一个人在生活中做得有多好或多坏。
So bad fortune at the bottom of the line, good fortune at the top.
所以，厄运在下，好运在上。
Sickness and poverty down here, wealth and then boisterous good health up there.
这里是疾病和贫穷，那里是财富和健康的身体。
Now this is the BE axis.
现在这是 BE 轴。
BE axis, that is the horizontal line that stretches from the left side of the chalkboard to the right side of the chalkboard.
BE轴，即从黑板左侧延伸到黑板右侧的水平线。
B is the beginning of the story.
B是故事的开始。
E is the ending.
E是结局。
And then Vonnegut demonstrates how this works.
然后冯内古特演示了这是如何工作的。
He says that some stories start with the person who's kind of happy, so they begin more than halfway up that vertical line that measures good or bad fortune.
他说，有些故事是从有点快乐的人开始的，所以故事是从衡量好运或坏运的垂直线的一半以上开始的。
So I would start a little above average.
所以我会开始比平均水平稍高一些。
Why get a depressing person?
为什么要找一个抑郁的人呢？
We'll start-- The whole thing, we call this story man in hole.
我们将开始——整个事情，我们称这个故事为“洞中人”。
But it needn't be about a man, and it needn't be about somebody getting into a hole.
但它不一定是关于一个人，也不一定是关于某人掉进洞里。
But it's just a good way to remember it.
但这只是记住它的好方法。
Somebody gets into trouble, gets out of it again.
有人陷入困境，又摆脱困境。
He's drawing a curve, like a sine wave.
他正在画一条曲线，就像正弦波一样。
And it dips down into bad fortune when he says somebody gets into trouble and then comes back up again for gets out of it.
当他说某人遇到了麻烦，然后又回来摆脱困境时，它就陷入了厄运。
People love that story.
人们喜欢这个故事。
They never get sick of it.
他们永远不会厌倦它。
All right.
好的。
So Vonnegut's done, man in hole.
冯内古特完蛋了，人在洞里。
He then does boy gets girl and draws a diagram for that kind of rom-commy story.
然后他做了男孩得到女孩的故事，并为那种浪漫喜剧故事画了一个图表。
And then he tells the audience he's going to clue them in on the most powerful kind of story of all.
然后他告诉观众他将引导他们了解最有影响力的故事。
This kind of story starts, he says, with the main character not doing well at all.
他说，这种故事一开始，主角的表现就一点都不好。
Like the curve starts near the bottom of the good fortune and bad fortune vertical line.
就像曲线开始于吉凶垂直线的底部附近一样。
But we're going to start way down here.
但我们要从这里开始。
Who is so low?
谁的地位这么低？
It's a little girl.
这是一个小女孩。
What's happened?
发生了什么事？
Her mother has died.
她的母亲去世了。
Her father has remarried a vile-tempered, ugly woman with two nasty daughters, big daughters.
她的父亲再娶了一个脾气暴躁、丑陋的女人，还有两个令人讨厌的大女儿。
You've heard it.
你听说过。
See?
看？
Anyway, there's a party at the palace that night.
无论如何，那天晚上皇宫里有一场宴会。
She can't go.
她不能走。
She has to help everybody else get ready.
她必须帮助其他人做好准备。
She has to stay home.
她必须呆在家里。
OK, so the fairy godmother comes.
好啦，仙女教母来了。
Gives her shoes, gives her a stocking, give her mascara.
给她鞋子，给她袜子，给她睫毛膏。
They're laughing because with each item, he gives the curve a big bump up, like a series of stairs heading upwards.
他们笑是因为他在每一个项目中都会使曲线大幅上升，就像一系列向上的楼梯一样。
Gives her a means of transportation.
为她提供了交通工具。
Goes to the party, dances with the prince, has a swell time.
去参加舞会，和王子一起跳舞，度过了一段愉快的时光。
Boing, boing, boing, boing.
嗡嗡，嗡嗡，嗡嗡，嗡嗡。
Ira Glass With the boings of the grandfather clock striking, he draws a vertical line going straight back down towards misery, though not quite as low as she was at the start.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）随着老大钟敲响的轰鸣声，他画了一条垂直线，笔直向下通往痛苦，尽管不像她开始时那么低。
Does she wind up at the same level?
她最终会处于同一水平吗？
Of course not.
当然不是。
She will remember that dance for the rest of her life.
她将终生记住那场舞蹈。
Now, she poops along on this level till the prince comes, and shoe fits.
现在，她在这个层面上大便，直到王子到来，鞋子合脚。
He draws the curve upward until it hits the very top of the blackboard, as high as he can go, and writes an infinity sign.
他向上绘制曲线，直到到达黑板的最顶部（他能到达的最高点），并写下一个无穷大符号。
She achieves offscale happiness.
她获得了超乎寻常的幸福。
It so happens that this is the most popular story in our civilization, Western civilization, as we love to hear this story.
恰好，这是我们文明、西方文明中最流行的故事，因为我们爱听这个故事。
Every time it's retold, somebody makes another million dollars.
每次重述，就会有人多赚一百万美元。
You're welcome to do it.
欢迎您这样做。
Act Two: Frida Be You and Me Ira Glass Which, really, all of that is the perfect introduction to our next act, Act Two, Frida Be You and Me.
第二幕：Frida Be You and Me Ira Glass 实际上，所有这些都是我们下一幕“Frida Be You and Me”的完美介绍。
When an entire country becomes obsessed with a version of this story, it becomes obsessed with rescuing a girl, like the prince rescued Cinderella, until that venerable old pot took a weird twist.
当整个国家都沉迷于这个故事的某个版本时，它就会沉迷于拯救一个女孩，就像王子拯救灰姑娘一样，直到那个古老的罐子发生了奇怪的转折。
Aviva DeKornfeld explains what happened.
阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德 (Aviva DeKornfeld) 解释了发生的事情。
Every year on September 19, Mexico runs through an earthquake drill.
每年9月19日，墨西哥都会举行地震演习。
And on September 19 in 2017, the whole country ran through the drill as usual at 11:00 AM.
2017年9月19日上午11点，全国如常进行了演习。
Roughly two hours later, a real earthquake hit.
大约两个小时后，真正的地震发生了。
It was a big one, an estimated magnitude of 7.1.
这是一个很大的震级，估计震级为 7.1 级。
Over 300 people died.
超过 300 人死亡。
Thousands of buildings were damaged.
数以千计的建筑物遭到破坏。
And one of those buildings was a school in southern Mexico City.
其中一座建筑是墨西哥城南部的一所学校。
When the school fell, it wasn't a total collapse.
学校倒塌时，并不是完全倒塌。
Only one side fully crumbled.
只有一侧完全崩溃了。
There was a big hole in one of the walls.
其中一堵墙上有一个大洞。
And through it, one of the classrooms was visible-- posters, and kids' drawings, and big colored letters in the midst of destruction.
透过它，一间教室清晰可见——海报、孩子们的画作，以及被破坏的彩色大字。
19 kids were killed at the school, and a bunch more were injured.
学校有 19 名儿童死亡，另有多人受伤。
So pretty quickly, tons of media showed up.
很快，大量媒体出现了。
And the school became crowded with people trying to help.
学校里挤满了试图提供帮助的人。
We started digging, and digging was really not easy.
我们开始挖掘，挖掘确实不容易。
This is Felipe Duran Emiliano.
我是费利佩·杜兰·埃米利亚诺。
He's a member of the Topo Azteca, which is a volunteer rescue brigade.
他是 Topo Azteca 志愿救援队的成员。
Felipe and the other Topos find a tiny gap in the collapsed part of the school about a foot wide.
费利佩和其他拓扑斯人在学校倒塌的地方发现了一个大约一英尺宽的小缺口。
They worked to open it up, and soon they find the body of a teacher.
他们努力打开它，很快就发现了老师的尸体。
Felipe said she had her arms stretched out open, as if she'd been trying to protect others.
费利佩说，她张开双臂，好像她一直在努力保护别人。
The Topos lift the teacher's body out and place her on a stretcher.
拓扑斯将老师的尸体抬了出来，放在担架上。
Then they keep hammering the concrete, looking for other victims.
然后他们继续敲打混凝土，寻找其他受害者。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter And once I remove this piece of concrete, I noticed two small feet.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 当我移开这块混凝土后，我注意到有两只小脚。
The feet belonged to a little boy.
脚属于一个小男孩。
They find three more kids.
他们又找到了三个孩子。
The other volunteers want to pull the bodies out as quickly as possible, keep looking for other people.
其他志愿者想尽快把尸体打捞出来，继续寻找其他人。
But Felipe paused.
但费利佩停了下来。
And so what I said to my co-worker, Machete, can you please ask them to wait?
所以我对我的同事 Machete 说的话，你能让他们等一下吗？
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter Because I want to say a prayer for this small child and also for the other children that have already been taken out.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 因为我想为这个小孩以及其他已经被带出去的孩子祈祷。
They keep going, though the chances of finding survivors is shrinking.
尽管找到幸存者的机会正在缩小，但他们仍在继续前行。
As time passes, the rescue mission becomes less heroic and more tedious.
随着时间的推移，救援任务变得不再那么英勇，而变得更加乏味。
And then on Wednesday morning, there's news.
然后周三早上，有消息。
The TV news program interviews Navy Admiral Jose Luis Vergara, who's on site.
电视新闻节目采访了现场的海军上将何塞·路易斯·韦尔加拉。
The Navy's overseeing the rescue.
海军正在监督救援。
He says we have indication of a girl who is alive.
他说我们有迹象表明一名女孩还活着。
Rescuers have used a thermal scanner and a motion sensor, and they've detected what seems to be a person moving.
救援人员使用了热扫描仪和运动传感器，他们检测到似乎有人在移动。
One of the rescuers says they can see her moving her fingers.
一名救援人员说他们可以看到她移动手指。
News of this girl trapped alive quickly becomes the biggest story of the earthquake.
这个女孩被活活困住的消息很快成为地震中最大的新闻。
The first reporter led into the cordoned off area around the school is this woman named Danielle Dithurbide.
第一个被带入学校周围警戒区的记者是一位名叫丹妮尔·迪瑟比德 (Danielle Dithurbide) 的女士。
She works for Televisa, the largest Spanish language broadcaster in the world.
她在世界上最大的西班牙语广播公司 Televisa 工作。
She's dressed like she's going into battle, khaki vest and a hardhat that looks like a helmet.
她的穿着就像是要上战场一样，卡其色背心，戴着看起来像头盔的安全帽。
And anytime there's new information, Danielle hears about it.
每当有新信息时，丹妮尔都会听到。
She's giving constant updates.
她不断更新。
The girl seems to be trapped underneath a table.
女孩似乎被困在桌子下面。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld We don't want to break it because it could collapse, Danielle says.
[西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld “我们不想打破它，因为它可能会倒塌，”丹妮尔说。
So the rescue workers figure out how to insert supports around the wreckage.
因此，救援人员想出了如何在残骸周围插入支撑物。
The Navy threads a hose through a crack in the rubble to try to get water to the little girl.
海军将一根软管穿过瓦砾的裂缝，试图给小女孩取水。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld This is another Navy official, undersecretary Angel Enrique Sarmiento.
[西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld 这是另一位海军官员，副部长安赫尔·恩里克·萨米恩托 (Angel Enrique Sarmiento)。
He says they've been giving the little girl water through the hose.
他说他们一直通过软管给小女孩喝水。
The rescue workers try to contact the person.
救援人员试图联系该人。
They say, tap twice if you can hear us.
他们说，如果您能听到我们的声音，请轻按两次。
But there are so many people around the school, it's way too loud for them to hear her.
但学校周围人太多了，声音太大了，他们听不到她的声音。
One of the rescue workers holds up his fist to signal for silence.
一名救援人员举起拳头示意大家安静。
Everyone on site stands motionless, straining to listen for muffled signs of life from under what's left of the school.
现场的每个人都一动不动地站着，努力倾听学校残骸下面传来的低沉的生命迹象。
This is all being covered live and broadcast all over the country.
这一切都在全国各地进行现场直播和转播。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Rescuer [SPEAKING SPANISH]
[讲西班牙语] 救援人员 [讲西班牙语]
Aviva DeKornfeld This rescue worker tells Danielle, I heard a very weak voice that belonged to a little girl named Sofia.
阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德 (Aviva DeKornfeld) 这位救援人员告诉丹妮尔，我听到了一个非常微弱的声音，那是一个名叫索菲亚的小女孩的声音。
Danielle asks him, did she say her name?
丹妮尔问他，她说了自己的名字吗？
And he says, yeah, I asked her, is your name Sophie?
他说，是的，我问她，你叫索菲吗？
And she said, Sophie.
她说，苏菲。
Sophie.
苏菲.
The workers keep talking to the girl.
工人们一直在和女孩说话。
They learn her full first name is Frida Sofia.
他们得知她的全名是弗里达·索菲亚。
And she's 12 years old.
她今年12岁了。
The Navy asks around for someone who knows Frida, a teacher or a family member, to try to make her feel more comfortable.
海军四处寻找认识弗里达的人，比如老师或家人，试图让她感觉更舒服。
The principal of the school, Monica Garcia Villegas, she survived the collapse.
学校校长莫妮卡·加西亚·维勒加斯（Monica Garcia Villegas）在倒塌事故中幸存下来。
So did her daughter, who's also named Monica.
她的女儿也是如此，她也叫莫妮卡。
She's a teacher at the school.
她是学校的老师。
They're both they're trying to help the rescue efforts.
他们都在努力帮助救援工作。
Monica, the daughter, offers to talk to Frida.
女儿莫妮卡主动提出与弗里达交谈。
She crouches near the wall where Frida's trapped.
她蹲在弗里达被困的墙边。
She calls her princesa and Evita, terms of endearment.
她称她为“公主”和“艾薇塔”，以表达爱意。
Frida responds, telling her that she's tired.
弗里达回应，告诉她她累了。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld Danielle explains that Televisa's withholding Frida's last name out of respect for the family's privacy.
[西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld Danielle 解释说，Televisa 出于对家人隐私的尊重而隐瞒了弗里达的姓氏。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld Frida has said that there are two bodies near her, but that she doesn't know if they're alive or who they are.
[西班牙语] 阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德·弗里达 (Aviva DeKornfeld Frida) 表示，她附近有两具尸体，但她不知道他们是否还活着，也不知道他们是谁。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld Televisa reports that rescuers have gotten a phone to Frida.
[西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld Televisa 报道称，救援人员已接到弗里达的电话。
She's been able to send messages to the school principal.
她已经能够向校长发送消息。
The whole country becomes emotionally involved with this girl.
整个国家都对这个女孩产生了感情。
People are donating supplies and posting all over Twitter and Facebook about her.
人们捐赠物资，并在 Twitter 和 Facebook 上发布有关她的信息。
There's a hashtag, #FridaSofia.
有一个标签，#FridaSofia。
One person tweets, "She moved her hand, moved Mexico's heart." Another says, "Retweet if you're not going to sleep until you see Frida Sofia out of the rubble."
一个人在推特上写道：“她动了手，感动了墨西哥的心。”另一个人说：“如果你不想睡觉，直到看到弗里达·索菲亚从废墟中出来，就转发吧。”
She's the coverage of the earthquake.
她是地震的报道。
She becomes the center of all the earthquake stories.
她成为所有地震故事的中心。
That's Laura Tejero Nunez, a filmmaker who made a documentary about this.
那是劳拉·特赫罗·努涅斯 (Laura Tejero Nunez)，一位电影制片人，她制作了一部关于此事的纪录片。
Everyone's talking about it.
每个人都在谈论它。
It's like a minute by minute.
就像一分钟一分钟一样。
Everyone's following every step of Frida's rescue.
每个人都在关注弗里达救援的每一步。
Like when they leave their houses, when they leave their couches, they are like, well, what's up with Frida?
就像当他们离开家、离开沙发时，他们会想，弗里达怎么了？
Is she out yet?
她出来了吗？
We know that there's been other victims, that other areas of Mexico have been strongly affected.
我们知道还有其他受害者，墨西哥其他地区也受到了严重影响。
But Frida is the center of all the eyes.
但弗里达却是所有人目光的中心。
Because she's also a story of hope.
因为她也是一个希望的故事。
Everyone's waiting to see what's going to happen.
每个人都在等着看会发生什么。
And then finally, word spreads of good news.
最后，好消息传开。
A rescue worker on site says, she's been rescued.
现场救援人员称，她已获救。
This was shot on a cell phone by someone standing outside the school.
这是站在学校外面的人用手机拍摄的。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Aviva DeKornfeld She's OK, he says.
[说西班牙语] Aviva DeKornfeld 她很好，他说。
She has vital signs.
她有生命体征。
Televisa doesn't report the rescue.
Televisa 没有报道救援情况。
Presumably, they couldn't confirm it.
想必他们也无法证实这一点。
Another reporter tweets that it's just a rumor.
另一位记者在推特上表示，这只是谣言。
But then the Secretary of Education goes on the news.
但随后教育部长继续新闻报道。
He doesn't say she's been rescued.
他没有说她被救了。
But he does say if you're Frida Sofia's parents or related to her, please come to the school.
但他确实说，如果你是弗里达·索菲亚的父母或与她有亲戚关系，请来学校。
The city is in complete disarray, and lots of people are missing.
这座城市一片混乱，许多人失踪。
This call for her parents rips across social media.
这一对她父母的呼吁在社交媒体上引起了轩然大波。
And then the story takes another turn.
然后故事又发生了转折。
Here's Laura the filmmaker again.
电影制片人劳拉又来了。
So the earthquake is the 19th.
所以这次地震是19号。
We hear about Frida the morning of the 20th.
20 号早上我们听说了弗里达的事。
And it's about 30 hours later, like the 21st of September, that the rescue authorities say that Frida never existed.
大约 30 小时后，也就是 9 月 21 日，救援当局说弗里达根本不存在。
The story of Frida Sofia is a lie.
弗里达·索菲亚的故事是一个谎言。
No Frida Sofia was enrolled at the Enrique Rebsamen School.
弗里达·索菲亚 (Frida Sofia) 没有就读于恩里克·雷布萨门学校 (Enrique Rebsamen School)。
There is no Frida.
没有弗里达。
The way everyone finds this out, the head of the Navy, the guy who's been giving, essentially, minute by minute updates on national television about Frida's condition, he goes on TV and gives this awkward press conference.
每个人都发现这一点的方式，海军首脑，本质上是在国家电视台上每分钟更新弗里达病情的人，他出现在电视上并举行了这场尴尬的新闻发布会。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Laura Tejero Nunez He says that Frida Sofia is not a reality.
[西班牙语] 劳拉·特杰罗·努涅斯 他说弗里达·索菲亚不是现实。
That seems like very specific word choice.
这似乎是非常具体的词选择。
Yeah, like he wanted to say like, oh, this wasn't a reality.
是的，就像他想说的那样，哦，这不是现实。
I'm not going to say that anyone told lies.
我不会说有人说谎。
I'm not going to say that this wasn't true.
我不会说这不是真的。
Because that sounds much worse.
因为这听起来更糟糕。
I think he was aware of how big the idea of Frida had become, how prescient in the minds of the Mexicans she had become.
我认为他知道弗里达的想法已经变得多么伟大，她在墨西哥人的心目中变得多么有先见之明。
And he knew that he was going to be accused of falsehoods.
他知道他会被指控撒谎。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Laura Tejero Nunez Shortly afterwards, Danielle Dithurbide, the reporter, comes out in Televisa saying that there is no girl called Frida Sofia.
[西班牙语] 劳拉·特杰罗·努涅斯 不久之后，记者丹妮尔·迪瑟比德在 Televisa 出面说，没有一个叫弗里达·索菲亚的女孩。
So she's not very straightforward on what's happening.
所以她对正在发生的事情不太清楚。
She just kind of waters it down.
她只是淡化了它。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Laura Tejero Nunez And then she says that she has gotten all the information from the authorities.
[西班牙语] Laura Tejero Nunez 然后她说她已经从当局那里得到了所有信息。
So she kind of is-- do you say guarding her back?
所以她有点——你是说保护她吗？
No. She's kind of--
不，她有点——
Protecting herself.
保护自己。
Like I didn't spread this.
就像我没有传播这个一样。
I just heard from the authorities.
我刚刚听到当局的消息。
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
Like I was giving official information.
就像我提供官方信息一样。
So after the news of Frida breaks, what happens?
那么弗里达的消息传出后，会发生什么呢？
The audience is furious.
观众很愤怒。
They are really mad.
他们真的很生气。
The social media is burning, like with hate messages towards Televisa.
社交媒体上充斥着针对 Televisa 的仇恨信息。
They accuse them of creating lies, spreading lies of literally having made up a character for everyone to follow to increase their ratings.
他们指责他们制造谎言，散布谎言，实际上是编造了一个角色，让每个人都跟随以提高他们的收视率。
People sent Danielle, the Televisa reporter, hate mail and death threats.
人们向 Televisa 记者丹妮尔发送仇恨邮件和死亡威胁。
A few of the rescue workers said it was clear all along that Frida didn't exist, like Felipe, who you heard earlier.
一些救援人员表示，很明显，弗里达并不存在，就像你之前听说过的费利佩一样。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I yelled out that that was a great lie.
[说西班牙语] 翻译我大声喊道这是一个弥天大谎。
That there was no such Frida.
没有这样的弗里达。
Felipe said he was one of the people who'd made the hole where everyone thought Frida was trapped.
费利佩说，他是在每个人都认为弗里达被困的地方挖了一个洞的人之一。
He says he tried to tell people at the time that Frida wasn't real-- Danielle, authorities from the Navy.
他说他当时试图告诉人们弗里达不是真实的——丹妮尔，海军当局。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter And I told them, look, if you don't believe me, let's all go together in the hole.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我告诉他们，听着，如果你们不相信我，那就让我们一起进洞吧。
We are the ones who dug the hole.
我们是挖坑的人。
We explored absolutely everything in the area.
我们探索了该地区的一切。
And there is no small person there.
而且那里没有小人物。
It didn't seem to matter.
这似乎并不重要。
Interpreter It was as though they didn't like it.
翻译：好像他们不喜欢这样。
The Televisa lady didn't like it.
Televisa 女士不喜欢它。
The Red Cross didn't like it, and neither did the Admiral.
红十字会不喜欢这样，海军上将也不喜欢。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter They didn't like it because I told them that everything they were saying was lies.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 他们不喜欢它，因为我告诉他们他们所说的一切都是谎言。
I called up Danielle, the Televisa reporter.
我打电话给 Televisa 记者丹妮尔。
She said she has no memory of talking to Felipe or of anyone telling her Frida wasn't real before the Navy broke the news.
她说，在海军宣布这一消息之前，她不记得与费利佩交谈过，也不记得任何人告诉她弗里达不是真实的。
He said he invited you into the hole with him, and he said like, I'll show you she's not there.
他说他邀请你和他一起进洞，然后他说，我会告诉你她不在那里。
Do you remember anyone inviting you into the hole?
你还记得有人邀请你进洞吗？
No, that's not true.
不，那不是真的。
No, that's absolute-- that's a complete lie.
不，那是绝对的——这完全是谎言。
That's not true.
那不是真的。
I swear on my life on it.
我用我的生命发誓。
That's not true.
那不是真的。
When the Navy Undersecretary Sarmiento said Frida wasn't real, he also denied ever telling reporters that she was, which made Danielle furious.
当海军副部长萨米恩托说弗里达不是真实的时，他也否认曾告诉记者她是真实的，这让丹妮尔非常愤怒。
She saw him saying that to another reporter just a few feet away from her.
她看到他对离她几英尺远的另一位记者这么说。
I mean, if I'm you, I feel like I would want to run over there, and--
我的意思是，如果我是你，我感觉我会想跑过去，而且——
And kill him.
并杀了他。
Kill him.
杀了他。
Kill him.
杀了他。
Yes, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
That was my exact feeling.
这就是我的真实感受。
I wanted to kill him.
我想杀了他。
Later on TV, the Navy Undersecretary apologized.
后来，海军副部长在电视上道歉。
He said Danielle was right.
他说丹妮尔是对的。
He had passed on wrong information.
他传递了错误的信息。
We reached out to the Navy multiple times, by the way, but never got clearance to do an interview.
顺便说一句，我们多次联系海军，但从未获得采访许可。
Who do you think started the Frida myth?
你认为弗里达神话是谁开创的？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I've been thinking about it for one year and a half, and I don't have any answer.
我想了一年半了，却没有任何答案。
I don't have an answer either.
我也没有答案。
But here's what I do know.
但这就是我所知道的。
Let's go detail by detail.
让我们逐个详细地讲。
The motion sensor and thermal scanner that detected Frida's body heat and movement, that technology can be imprecise.
检测弗里达体温和运动的运动传感器和热扫描仪，该技术可能不精确。
The movement it detected, that could just be the rubble shifting.
它检测到的运动可能只是瓦砾的移动。
The body heat it detected, that could be a piece of metal that's just exposed to the sun, and therefore warmer than the things around it.
它检测到的身体热量可能是一块刚刚暴露在阳光下的金属，因此比周围的物体更温暖。
As for the workers who heard Frida's voice, well, rescue workers pulled the body of a 58-year-old woman from the rubble after they'd talked to Frida.
至于听到弗里达声音的工作人员，救援人员在与弗里达交谈后，从废墟中拉出了一名 58 岁妇女的尸体。
Maybe it had been her voice they had heard.
也许他们听到的是她的声音。
Though her name wasn't Frida Sofia, it was Reyna Dávila.
虽然她的名字不是弗里达·索菲亚，而是雷娜·达维拉。
Or maybe the name Frida Sofia came from somewhere else.
或者弗里达·索菲亚这个名字可能来自其他地方。
There was a Sofia there.
那里有一个索菲亚。
She was one of the kids rescued earlier in the day.
她是当天早些时候获救的孩子之一。
And there was a Frida on sight, too, a rescue dog helping to look for victims.
现场还出现了一只弗里达，一只帮助寻找受害者的搜救犬。
I have no idea if that explains anything.
我不知道这是否能解释什么。
There are some details that no matter how I turn it, just don't seem like mistakes, like the cell phone and the text messages.
有一些细节，无论我怎么翻，都不像是错误，比如手机、短信。
A volunteer told the press that story.
一名志愿者向媒体讲述了这个故事。
I couldn't find him to follow up.
我找不到他来跟进。
And that rescue worker who told the public that Frida had been rescued, we looked all over for him.
那位告诉公众弗里达已获救的救援人员，我们到处寻找他。
Couldn't find him anywhere.
到处都找不到他。
Felipe, that rescue worker I talked to, he feels like, of course, I couldn't find the answer.
费利佩，我采访过的那位救援人员，他觉得我当然找不到答案。
These are people that like to show up on TV, those people that enjoy telling lies, and people that just don't like to accept the truth.
这些人喜欢出现在电视上，那些喜欢说谎的人，还有一些就是不喜欢接受真相的人。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I really can't explain to myself how it is that this was made up.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我真的无法向自己解释这是如何编造的。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I imagine that this was the smokescreen, the whole Frida situation, in order to detour or to mask up the information.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我想这是烟幕弹，整个弗里达的情况，为了绕道或掩盖信息。
Merely a distraction.
只是一种干扰。
He means a distraction from the person who's taken a lot of blame for the school collapse.
他的意思是分散对学校倒塌负有很多责任的人的注意力。
Remember the Monicas?
还记得莫妮卡吗？
The principal of the school and her daughter, who worked there as a teacher and who said she talked to Frida.
学校校长和她在那里担任教师的女儿说她和弗里达谈过。
The principal, Monica García Villegas, she's also the owner of the school.
校长莫妮卡·加西亚·维勒加斯 (Monica García Villegas)，她也是学校的所有者。
It's a private school, and she lived there with the rest of her family.
这是一所私立学校，她和家人一起住在那里。
The building was originally just two stories, but they built two more stories on top and made that their apartment.
这座建筑原本只有两层，但他们在上面又盖了两层，作为他们的公寓。
The principal used all these heavy materials in the construction.
校长在建筑中使用了所有这些重型材料。
She built marble floors and granite countertops.
她建造了大理石地板和花岗岩台面。
She added a new terrace, but didn't add any columns underneath to support it.
她添加了一个新的露台，但没有在下面添加任何柱子来支撑它。
She installed a Jacuzzi.
她安装了一个按摩浴缸。
When the earthquake hit, all of that overwhelmed the bottom two floors of the building, and it crumbled.
当地震发生时，所有这些都淹没了建筑物的底部两层，并倒塌了。
It was likely the principal's apartment that killed 19 kids and at least seven adults.
校长的公寓很可能导致 19 名儿童和至少 7 名成年人死亡。
The principal fled the scene shortly after the school fell, though not before her daughter and other family members had recovered some of their valuables from the rubble, like purses and shoes, their car, a Mercedes Benz, and a bathtub they got four of the rescue workers to carry for them.
学校倒塌后不久，校长逃离了现场，但在此之前，她的女儿和其他家庭成员从废墟中找到了一些贵重物品，如钱包和鞋子、他们的汽车、一辆梅赛德斯奔驰和一个浴缸，他们让四名救援人员帮他们搬运。
Authorities offered a five million peso reward to anyone who could find her.
当局悬赏五百万比索悬赏给任何能找到她的人。
After nearly two years, the principal was finally arrested on charges of manslaughter in early May of this year.
时隔近两年，校长终于在今年五月初因过失杀人罪被捕。
I reached out to her for a comment, but never heard back.
我联系她征求意见，但从未收到回复。
If the principal and her daughter knew all along that they didn't have a student named Frida Sofia, if the daughter was just pretending to talk to someone trapped under the rubble, if the Navy, for some reason, was passing along unfounded details to the press, or if the deception was more innocent-- volunteers hoping for the best and spreading rumors-- it all fell on willing ears.
如果校长和她的女儿一直都知道他们没有一个名叫弗里达·索菲亚的学生，如果女儿只是假装与被困在废墟下的人交谈，如果海军出于某种原因向媒体传递毫无根据的细节，或者如果欺骗更无辜——志愿者希望得到最好的结果并散布谣言——那么这一切都会落在心甘情愿的耳朵里。
Hundreds of people had been killed by the earthquake.
数百人在地震中丧生。
Lots more were still missing.
还有更多人失踪。
Of course people wanted a little girl to root for.
当然，人们想要一个小女孩来支持。
Aviva DeKornfeld is one of the producers of our show.
Aviva DeKornfeld 是我们节目的制作人之一。
[MUSIC - LITTLE JACKIE, "TO THE RESCUE"]
[音乐 - 小杰基，“救援”]
Our program was produced today by Lilly Sullivan with Elna Baker.
今天我们的节目由莉莉·沙利文和埃尔娜·贝克制作。
The people who put this show together today includes Bim Adewunmi, Emanuele Berry, Susan Burton, Sean Cole, Hilary Elkins, Damien Grave, Jessica Lussenhop, Miki Meek, [INAUDIBLE] Stowe Nelson, Catherine Raimondo, Ben Phelan, Nadia Reiman, Robyn Semien, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Julie Whitaker.
今天制作这个节目的人包括 Bim Adewunmi、Emanuele Berry、Susan Burton、Sean Cole、Hilary Elkins、Damien Grave、Jessica Lussenhop、Miki Meek、[听不清] Stowe Nelson、Catherine Raimondo、Ben Phelan、Nadia Reiman、Robyn Semien、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Julie Whitaker。
Our managing editor is Diane Wu.
我们的总编辑是 Diane Wu。
Our executive editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的执行编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Aviva DeKornfeld, who did the last story in the show, that last act, has been our production fellow for the last six months.
阿维瓦·德科恩菲尔德 (Aviva DeKornfeld) 负责制作该剧的最后一个故事，也就是最后一幕，她在过去六个月里一直是我们的制作人员。
The fellowship is now over.
团契现已结束。
This is our last new show with her.
这是我们和她一起的最后一个新节目。
She is super capable.
她能力超强。
We are sorry to see her go.
我们很遗憾看到她离开。
Podcasters of America, you heard that story.
美国播客，你听说过这个故事。
Give her a job.
给她一份工作。
Special thanks today to Jose Acevedo, Yannos Misitzis, Jason Krouse, Rose Kue, Linda and Laura Xiong, Jackie Stevens, David Wilson, Calleigh McRaith, Lor Xiong-Roby, See Yang, Steve Bansbach, the Customs and Border Protection Chicago field office, Tesia Williams, Andrea Helling, Mark Greenberg, Bell Woods, Zoe Mendelson, Diego Salazar, and Luke Malone.
今天特别感谢 Jose Acevedo、Yannos Misitzis、Jason Krouse、Rose Kue、Linda 和 Laura Xiong、Jackie Stevens、David Wilson、Calleigh McRaith、Lor Xiong-Roby、See Yang、Steve Bansbach、海关和边境保护局芝加哥办事处、Tesia Williams、Andrea Helling、Mark Greenberg、Bell Woods、Zoe Mendelson、Diego Salazar 和 Luke Malone。
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our show's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们节目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
He really believes in the power of a hero sandwich.
他真的相信英雄三明治的力量。
No kidding.
不开玩笑。
Ordered a whole bunch for this big meeting we were going to have this week with some public radio stations and told me--
为本周我们将与一些公共广播电台举行的大型会议订购了一大堆，并告诉我——
They mean business.
他们是认真的。
But we've got a party of kickass heroes that's going to save the day.
但我们有一群强大的英雄来拯救世界。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。