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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass
序言：序言 艾拉·格拉斯
For over 20 years, Eric Capstick's worked for Yankee Stadium.
埃里克·卡普斯蒂克 (Eric Capstick) 在洋基体育场工作了 20 多年。
He's a camera operator.
他是一名摄影师。
During the game, he runs around the crowd, looking for fans to put up on this impossibly huge TV screen that sits over the outfield.
比赛期间，他在人群中跑来跑去，在外场上方巨大的电视屏幕上寻找球迷。
And I've seen lots of people work a crowd with a microphone or a camera over the years, and I can say definitively, he is masterful.
多年来我见过很多人拿着麦克风或摄像机在人群中工作，我可以肯定地说，他很熟练。
So I'd appreciate it if you gave me some really great energy, like [GROWLS] you know, positive Yankee energy.
所以，如果你能给我一些真正伟大的能量，比如[咆哮]，你知道，积极的洋基能量，我会很感激。
Are you guys a bachelorette party or something?
你们是单身派对还是什么？
Yeah.
是的。
Eric Capstick All right.
埃里克·卡普斯蒂克 好吧。
I'm going to try and get you for the second shot.
我会尽力让你进行第二次射击。
Yay.
耶。
Ira Glass He's this lanky, friendly guy.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 他是个身材瘦长、友善的人。
By the way, he seems to know everybody working in the stadium.
顺便说一句，他似乎认识在体育场工作的每个人。
What's up, bro?
怎么了，兄弟？
Ira Glass When he walks past, he tosses them pieces of bubblegum that he swiped from the Yankees dugout.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 当他走过时，他把从洋基队休息室偷来的泡泡糖扔给他们。
Danny.
丹尼.
Ira Glass A piece of gum arcs through the air.
艾拉·格拉斯 一块口香糖在空气中划出弧线。
Oh, he dropped it.
哦，他把它掉了。
He dropped it.
他把它扔掉了。
But usually, he has pretty good hands.
但通常情况下，他的手都很好。
I like to say that half the people in the building can't catch.
我想说的是，大楼里一半的人都抓不住。
It's pretty accurate, actually.
实际上，这是相当准确的。
The whole purpose of putting fans up on the big screen is to keep the crowd energized between innings, when nothing's happening on the field.
将球迷放在大屏幕上的全部目的是在比赛之间、场上没有任何事情发生时让观众保持活力。
So what Eric's looking for is pumped up, passionate fans.
所以埃里克正在寻找的是充满活力、热情的粉丝。
Sometimes fans ask for Kiss Cam.
有时粉丝会要求接吻镜头。
I'm like, no, you got to go to Queens for Kiss Cam.
我想，不，你必须去皇后区看 Kiss Cam。
We don't do Kiss Cam here.
我们这里不做接吻镜头。
You get that Queens reference?
你得到皇后区的参考资料了吗？
He's saying Kiss Cam's the kind of low-brow garbage that you see at Mets games.
他说 Kiss Cam 是你在大都会队比赛中看到的那种低俗垃圾。
How are you doing?
你好吗？
Hi, I want to get the kids.
你好，我想带孩子去。
I mean, you know, primarily, so you should sit, probably.
我的意思是，你知道，首先，所以你可能应该坐下来。
He's talking to some teachers and parents of kids from a school, PS 71 in the Bronx.
他正在与布朗克斯 PS 71 学校的一些老师和孩子们的家长交谈。
They're here on a class trip.
他们来这里参加班级旅行。
You don't want to be in it?
你不想参与其中吗？
Ira Glass Eric likes to position himself between the people who he's shooting and the screen, so they can actually see themselves on the huge screen right over his shoulder.
艾拉·格拉斯·埃里克 (Ira Glass Eric) 喜欢将自己置于拍摄对象和屏幕之间，这样他们就可以在他肩膀上方的大屏幕上看到自己。
Sometimes that means perching himself over the edge of a balcony, but not this time.
有时这意味着他自己要栖息在阳台的边缘，但这次不是。
We're about 10 seconds away.
我们还有大约 10 秒的时间。
Ira Glass Everybody waits.
艾拉·格拉斯 每个人都在等待。
It feels like a long time.
感觉好像很久了。
Here we go.
开始了。
You're up.
你起来了。
Hey, you're [INAUDIBLE].
嘿，你[听不清]。
So how was it?
那么怎么样呢？
Child I don't know.
孩子我不知道。
Exciting, yeah.
令人兴奋，是的。
Like, you just get to see yourself on there, and it makes you feel famous.
就像，你只是在那里看到自己，这会让你感觉自己出名了。
How did you know what to do when the camera went on you?
当摄像机对准你时，你怎么知道该怎么做？
Well, I've seen people and what they do.
嗯，我见过人们以及他们所做的事情。
Like, they wave and stuff.
就像，他们挥手之类的。
Duh-- even if you're in fourth grade.
呃——即使你是四年级。
The camera's a magic wand.
相机是一根魔杖。
Somebody points it at you, you know what to do.
有人指着你，你知道该怎么做。
A few friends sitting near these kids-- Kristen, and Joanne, and Howie-- they saw Eric, and they called out to him that he should shoot them next because it was Joanne's birthday.
坐在这些孩子旁边的几个朋友——克里斯汀、乔安妮和豪伊——他们看到了埃里克，他们喊他接下来应该开枪射杀他们，因为那天是乔安妮的生日。
Eric saw right through that.
埃里克看透了这一点。
I didn't.
我没有。
It's your birthday?
今天是你的生日吗？
Joanne No, it's not my birthday.
乔安妮 不，这不是我的生日。
He lied because I wanted to be on the camera.
他撒谎是因为我想出现在镜头前。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Because I love the Yankees, and I'm happy to be here.
因为我爱洋基队，我很高兴来到这里。
And I want all my friends to be on TV.
我希望我所有的朋友都能上电视。
Kristen and her friend was actually on the big screen once.
克里斯汀和她的朋友实际上曾经登上过大银幕。
Oh my god, it's so exciting.
天哪，这太令人兴奋了。
People saw me on TV, and they texted me from home [INAUDIBLE].
人们在电视上看到我，他们从家里给我发短信[听不清]。
We see you on camera.
我们在镜头里看到你。
It was my moment of fame.
那是我成名的时刻。
I've never been on TV before.
我以前从未上过电视。
I was on TV.
我在电视上。
Well, we actually were on TV once last-- two seasons ago.
嗯，我们实际上上一次上过电视——两季前。
There was a ball that came out, and our friend--
有一个球出来了，我们的朋友——
[INAUDIBLE] Howie [INAUDIBLE] first home run, and our friend caught the ball and dropped it.
[听不清] Howie [听不清] 第一个本垒打，我们的朋友接住了球，然后把它扔掉了。
And it fell right on our seats, and we all bent over to get it.
它正好落在我们的座位上，我们都弯腰去拿它。
And then we watched SportsCenter that night, and you saw all of us like, ahh, and bent over.
然后那天晚上我们看了《体育中心》，你看到我们所有人都像，啊，弯下了腰。
And that's our one time we were on TV.
那是我们第一次上电视。
So they were on SportsCenter-- SportsCenter.
所以他们在体育中心——体育中心。
It's so far away in the stands, so small on the screen, that nobody they knew recognized them.
看台上距离太远，屏幕上又那么小，他们认识的人都认不出他们来。
Nobody texted, nobody called.
没有人发短信，没有人打电话。
Yet still, it's kind of satisfying.
但即便如此，还是让人很满足的。
Like I DVRed SportsCenter and then paused it and took pictures of the TV.
就像我用 DVRed SportsCenter 然后暂停并拍摄电视照片一样。
And every year it shows up in my Facebook memories, I share it.
每年它都会出现在我的 Facebook 记忆中，我都会分享它。
I'm like, oh, that's when Wayne blew the ball.
我想，哦，那就是韦恩吹球的时候。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
You're only on the big screen at the stadium for a few seconds.
您只在体育场的大屏幕上停留几秒钟。
But to get there, one woman told me, it makes your day.
但一位女士告诉我，到达那里，你会很开心。
Another said she was recognized on the subway on the way home from a game that she had been on the screen.
另一位网友表示，她在玩完一场游戏回家的路上被人认出了。
It's like this thrilling thing the Yankees can bestow on any lucky fan.
这就像洋基队可以送给任何幸运球迷的令人兴奋的事情一样。
So much better than a bobblehead.
比摇头丸好多了。
Because who doesn't want to get on TV?
因为谁不想上电视呢？
Well, today on our program, non-TV people suddenly find themselves on TV.
好吧，今天在我们的节目中，非电视人士突然发现自己出现在电视上。
They didn't expect it.
他们没想到。
They didn't ask for it.
他们没有要求。
They just found out they were, whether they wanted it or didn't want it.
他们只是发现自己是这样的，无论他们想要还是不想要。
And some definitely did not want it.
有些人肯定不想要它。
Others didn't even know it was happening because they're babies.
其他人甚至不知道发生了这种事，因为他们还是婴儿。
What that kind of attention can do to you.
这种关注能给你带来什么。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act I.
第一幕。
Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used on Television.
您所说的任何内容都可以并且将会在电视上使用。
So since the 1980s, there's been a way that tons of ordinary Americans suddenly found themselves on TV, though it probably was not how they wanted to be making their TV debuts.
因此，自 20 世纪 80 年代以来，大量普通美国人突然发现自己出现在电视上，尽管这可能不是他们想要的电视首秀方式。
So if you live in this country, you probably know the TV show Cops.
因此，如果您住在这个国家，您可能知道电视节目《警察》。
This particular clip is from a kind of updated version of Cops called Live PD, which is made by a different company.
这个特殊的剪辑来自《警察》的更新版本，名为 Live PD，由另一家公司制作。
It's actually more popular than Cops these days.
如今它实际上比《警察》更受欢迎。
And with me to discuss this is Dan Taberski.
与我一起讨论这个问题的是 Dan Taberski。
And Dan, you have watched a lot of these shows over the years.
丹，这些年来你看过很多这样的节目。
I have.
我有。
I have watched a lot of Cops.
我看过很多《警察》。
I've watched a lot of Cops over the years-- too much.
这些年来我看过很多《警察》——太多了。
And I know that one of the things that's interested you about that show and that you enjoy when you watch a show, it comes from the fact that you yourself used to make television.
我知道你对这个节目感兴趣并且你在观看节目时喜欢的事情之一来自于你自己曾经制作过电视这一事实。
Yeah, I did for a long time.
是的，我做了很长时间。
And a lot of reality shows, too, mostly kid shows and game shows, silly stuff.
还有很多真人秀节目，主要是儿童节目和游戏节目，都是一些愚蠢的东西。
But I know what tricks that you employ in making a reality show.
但我知道你们制作真人秀时用的什么伎俩。
And I've always wondered, how were they doing this?
我一直想知道，他们是如何做到这一点的？
What are the tricks that they're using?
他们到底用了什么伎俩？
What's the difference between what they're showing me on TV versus reality?
他们在电视上向我展示的内容与现实有什么区别？
Like, what really happened?
就像，到底发生了什么？
Dan Taberski Yeah, yeah.
丹·塔伯斯基 是的，是的。
And you have a new podcast about this very question.
您有一个关于这个问题的新播客。
It's called Running from Cops.
这就是所谓的逃离警察。
I've listened to the whole thing.
我已经听完了整个事情。
It's a great show.
这是一场很棒的表演。
And in this show, you take that question apart for Cops and for Live PD.
在这个节目中，你将这个问题分别针对《警察》和《现场警察》。
And I think before we get further, you should explain what Live PD is for the people who haven't seen it.
我认为在我们进一步讨论之前，您应该向还没有看过 Live PD 的人解释一下它是什么。
Yeah, the thing about Live PD is that half the country doesn't even know what it is.
是的，Live PD 的问题在于，半个国家甚至不知道它是什么。
And in the meantime, it was the most DVRed show of 2018.
与此同时，它也是 2018 年最受 DVR 关注的节目。
It's three hours long of live policing on Friday night and then another three hours of live policing on Saturday night.
周五晚上有三个小时的现场警务，周六晚上又有三个小时的现场警务。
So it is a lot of hours of television.
所以看电视的时间很长。
And just so people can picture the show, describe what Live PD looks like, what makes it different from Cops.
这样人们就可以想象这个节目，描述 Live PD 的样子，以及它与《警察》的不同之处。
Live PD is mainly different because it's live.
Live PD 的主要不同之处在于它是实时的。
It's basically set up like any SBN show.
它的设置基本上与任何 SBN 节目一样。
So there's a host, and there's all these monitors behind him.
所以有一个主持人，他身后有所有这些监视器。
And the monitors are following six to eight police departments around the country live.
监视器正在实时跟踪全国六到八个警察部门。
And he just keeps cutting to different police departments to show you the highlights of what's going on right now.
他只是不断地切到不同的警察部门，向你展示目前正在发生的事情的要点。
Let's go right now to Jeffersonville.
我们现在就去杰斐逊维尔吧。
Both of the officers, Alyssa Wright and Denver Leverett, are serving as backup on a speeding pullover.
两名警官艾丽莎·赖特 (Alyssa Wright) 和丹佛·莱弗里特 (Denver Leverett) 在一辆超速警车上担任替补。
Let's see why.
让我们看看为什么。
Both hands out the window.
双手伸出窗外。
Man 1 Both hands out the window.
男子 1 双手伸出窗外。
And then they go back to the studio, where there's a couple of police officers offering analysis and color commentary about what they're seeing.
然后他们回到工作室，那里有几名警察对他们所看到的情况进行分析和彩色评论。
If they're aggressive, you're going to try to use less lethal to taser, pepper spray, to try to control the situation.
如果他们具有攻击性，你将尝试使用不太致命的泰瑟枪、胡椒喷雾来控制局势。
Now you're dealing with a dog and the suspect at the same time.
现在你同时面对一只狗和嫌疑人。
It makes it a lot more difficult.
这让事情变得更加困难。
Yeah.
是的。
Dan Taberski So one thing that's interesting about Live PD is that it premiered in 2016, right?
Dan Taberski 那么 Live PD 的一件有趣的事情是它于 2016 年首播，对吗？
Right when there was this proliferation of people filming their own police interactions on their own phones and putting it on YouTube.
就在那时，越来越多的人用自己的手机拍摄自己与警察的互动，并将其发布到 YouTube 上。
And it really changed the conversation around policing.
这确实改变了围绕警务的对话。
Lots of videos of people getting shot by the police.
很多人被警察枪杀的视频。
Yeah, and Live PD consciously positions itself and markets itself as a response to all that.
是的，Live PD 有意识地定位自己并推销自己，作为对这一切的回应。
To the videos.
到视频。
Dan Taberski Right.
丹·塔伯斯基 对。
Like, we're going to go a step further than your iPhone video or your body cam.
就像，我们将比您的 iPhone 视频或随身摄像机更进一步。
We will bring it to you live.
我们将现场为您带来。
It doesn't get more real than this.
没有比这更真实的了。
That's their position.
这就是他们的立场。
So here's a promotional video they put up.
这是他们发布的宣传视频。
Being able to see exactly what the police are doing and how they're doing it is beneficial to everyone.
能够准确地看到警察在做什么以及他们如何做对每个人都有好处。
The cell phone changed everything.
手机改变了一切。
Being able to instantly load video up.
能够立即加载视频。
You have to be very carefully in these situations.
在这些情况下你必须非常小心。
They only put up what they want to put up.
他们只放出他们想放出的东西。
They don't get the whole interaction.
他们无法理解整个互动。
So for police departments wanting to get their side out in this atmosphere, Live PD is great on TV and also social media.
因此，对于想要在这种氛围中表达自己立场的警察部门来说，Live PD 在电视和社交媒体上非常有用。
Unlike Cops, which is sort of old school, Live PD has a big social media presence.
与老派的《警察》不同，《Live PD》在社交媒体上占有很大的份额。
It's a live show.
这是一场现场表演。
People tweet along live.
人们现场发推文。
They have a rabid fan base.
他们拥有狂热的粉丝群。
During the show, the police departments will actually tweet, if you liked seeing Pasco County, Florida, for example, on Live PD, here's how you can apply to become an officer yourself.
在节目期间，警察部门实际上会发推文，例如，如果您喜欢在 Live PD 上看到佛罗里达州帕斯科县，您可以通过以下方式申请自己成为一名警官。
So I spoke to this one guy, Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich.
所以我和奥齐·克尼佐维奇警长聊了聊。
He's the sheriff in Spokane, Washington.
他是华盛顿州斯波坎市的警长。
And that's one of the places where Live PD's been filming.
那是 Live PD 拍摄的地方之一。
This thing has tapped into something that I can't explain.
这件事已经触及了我无法解释的东西。
I've never seen anything like it before-- not in 28 years.
我以前从未见过这样的事情——28 年来从未见过。
I can tell you that Live PD has done wonders for our recruiting.
我可以告诉你，Live PD 为我们的招聘创造了奇迹。
Really?
真的吗？
How?
如何？
Ozzie Knezovich Applications-- people calling us all over the country.
Ozzie Knezovich 应用程序——全国各地的人们给我们打电话。
Really?
真的吗？
Ozzie Knezovich Yes.
奥齐·克内佐维奇 是的。
It's been amazing.
太棒了。
It's been amazing the amount of Christmas cards we got from people all over the country.
我们从全国各地收到的圣诞贺卡之多令人惊讶。
Get out of here.
离开这里。
Ozzie Knezovich No. It shows people at their worst.
Ozzie Knezovich 不。它展示了人们最糟糕的一面。
Well, no, it shows what we're dealing with.
嗯，不，它显示了我们正在处理的事情。
It shows what society is dealing with.
它显示了社会正在处理什么。
So one of the things that's the most interesting about your series, Running from Cops, is that you really do try to figure out what is the gap between what the programs show us and what really happened out on the street.
因此，《逃离警察》系列中最有趣的事情之一是，你确实试图找出节目向我们展示的内容与街上真实发生的事情之间的差距。
And as part of that, you and your team watched how many hours?
作为其中的一部分，您和您的团队观看了多少个小时？
And for Live PD, we watched hundreds of hours.
对于 Live PD，我们观看了数百小时。
That's all we can get.
这就是我们所能得到的一切。
[LAUGHS] That is what was available to us.
[笑]这就是我们可以得到的。
There have been over 1,000, and we could get 846.
已经有1000多个了，我们可以得到846个。
And so now, what we've done is we've asked you to do an excerpt from your series here for us, where you try to figure out the gap between what we see on these two programs and what really happened, and where you talk to the people getting arrested on Live PD and on Cops about the experience of being reluctantly put on television.
所以现在，我们所做的是请你为我们从你的系列节目中摘录一段，你试图找出我们在这两个节目中看到的内容与实际发生的情况之间的差距，并与在《Live PD》和《警察》中被捕的人谈论不情愿地被上电视的经历。
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass And so what's going to happen now is you're going to start with Cops and then go to Live PD.
Ira Glass：所以现在要发生的事情是，你将从《警察》开始，然后转到《现场警察》。
Take it away.
把它拿走。
We'll start here.
我们将从这里开始。
This is Cops, 2013, season 26, episode 14.
这是《警察》，2013 年，第 26 季，第 14 集。
This scene happens in Gwinnett County, Georgia.
这一幕发生在佐治亚州格温内特县。
It's after midnight, and an officer pulls up on two teenagers.
午夜过后，一名警官拦住了两名青少年。
They're parked in a church parking lot.
他们把车停在教堂停车场。
Hey, how are you doing?
嘿，你好吗？
Teenager 1 Great, how are you?
青少年 1 太好了，你好吗？
Just hanging out.
只是闲逛。
Officer Just hanging out?
警官 刚刚闲逛？
OK, well, it's the church, and it's closed.
好吧，这是教堂，而且已经关门了。
I've got mine.
我有我的。
Officer Anything illegal, drugs, anything like that at all?
警官 有什么非法的、毒品之类的吗？
No. Officer No?
没有，警官没有？
OK.
好的。
Would you mind if I check to make sure there's nothing illegal in the car?
你介意我检查一下以确保车内没有任何非法物品吗？
The guy tells the officer that he's out on bond for possession of cocaine, but that he's been clean for a month.
该男子告诉警官，他因持有可卡因而被保释，但他已经一个月没有犯罪了。
So now we're all getting suspicious, right?
所以现在我们都开始怀疑了，对吧？
Just leave it there for now.
暂时把它留在那里。
Dan Taberski The cop starts rooting around in the front seat, past the half-drunk soda cups and empty chip bags on the floorboard.
丹·塔伯斯基（Dan Taberski） 警察开始在前排座位上翻找，经过地板上的半醉汽水杯和空薯片袋。
And pretty much immediately, he finds what he is looking for.
他几乎立刻就找到了他要找的东西。
This right here, crack cocaine has almost like a cake consistency to it.
在这里，强效可卡因的稠度几乎就像蛋糕一样。
So we're going to nick test a portion of that and see-- test a small amount.
所以我们要测试其中的一部分，然后看看——测试少量。
The officer picks up a sample, and he does what's called a nick test, a roadside drug test.
警官拿起样本，然后进行所谓的刻痕测试，即路边药物测试。
If it ends up being cocaine, it'll have a blue or a blue over pink change to it.
如果它最终是可卡因，它会变成蓝色或蓝色加粉红色。
And that would be cocaine.
那就是可卡因。
The blue hue on the pink on the bottom, that's positive for cocaine.
底部粉红色的蓝色色调，对可卡因呈阳性。
The guy and the girl look stunned.
男孩和女孩看上去都惊呆了。
They deny the cocaine is theirs.
他们否认可卡因是他们的。
The cop arrests them both.
警察逮捕了他们两人。
You're being placed under arrest for possession of cocaine.
你因持有可卡因而被捕。
Just go ahead and place your hands behind your back, OK?
把手放在背后，好吗？
Now I know my way around a reality show edit room.
现在我熟悉了真人秀编辑室的情况。
And as far as reality shows go, Cops seems pretty real.
就真人秀节目而言，《警察》似乎相当真实。
In that segment we just watched, there's no music.
我们刚刚观看的那一段，没有音乐。
There's no narrator.
没有解说员。
It's just edited-down observational filming of police at work.
这只是经过剪辑的警察工作观察录像。
That's what I like about it.
这就是我喜欢它的原因。
And it's that style that makes it so believable to the casual viewer.
正是这种风格使得它对于普通观众来说非常可信。
It is what it is-- until it's not.
它就是它本来的样子——直到它不是。
Did you always want to be a police officer?
你一直想成为一名警察吗？
Was that always the plan?
这一直是计划吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
It seemed like a good idea at the time.
当时这似乎是个好主意。
Really?
真的吗？
It would never seem like a good idea to me.
对我来说这永远都不是一个好主意。
It seems dangerous, and difficult-- and thankless, often.
这似乎很危险，也很困难，而且常常吃力不讨好。
It is dangerous, and it is difficult, and it's very thankless.
这很危险，也很困难，而且非常吃力不讨好。
This is John Burdges.
这是约翰·伯奇斯。
He's a former narcotics officer, and he loved it.
他曾是一名缉毒警官，他很喜欢这个工作。
But after 14 years on the job, he went to law school.
但工作 14 年后，他进入了法学院。
He's been a defense attorney ever since here in Buford, Georgia, where he was retained by that young woman in that Cops episode that we just heard.
自从在佐治亚州布福德开始，他就一直是一名辩护律师，我们刚刚听到的《警察》一集中的那个年轻女子在那里聘用了他。
I thought she was guilty, having been in law enforcement.
我认为她有罪，因为她曾从事执法工作。
And I'm very fond of the police, and I'm very pro-police.
我非常喜欢警察，也非常支持警察。
But I just thought it was a regular episode.
但我只是以为这是一个普通的剧集。
So did her family, and so did the district attorney, and so did everybody else.
她的家人也是如此，地方检察官也是如此，其他人也是如此。
Until, that is, a secondary test on that drug sample taken on the scene came back from the lab.
直到对现场采集的药物样本从实验室返回进行二次测试。
The alleged cocaine came back negative from the state lab that it was not cocaine.
国家实验室对涉嫌可卡因的检测结果呈阴性，表明它不是可卡因。
In fact, it was nothing.
事实上，这没什么。
They couldn't figure out what it was.
他们无法弄清楚那是什么。
But it was certainly not a drug.
但它肯定不是药物。
In fact, that roadside drug test in that episode, they do them all the time on Cops.
事实上，那一集中的路边药物测试，他们一直在《警察》中进行。
The colors tell you if it's coke or not.
颜色可以告诉你它是否是可乐。
Easy-peasy.
简单易行。
But what they never say on Cops, and which I didn't know myself, until now, is that, in fact, those tests, pretty much every jurisdiction in the country says they are inadmissible at trial, including Gwinnett County, Georgia, where that young woman and her boyfriend were arrested.
但他们从未在《警察》中说过，直到现在我自己也不知道的是，事实上，这些测试，几乎全国每个司法管辖区都表示它们在审判中不可接受，包括佐治亚州格温内特县，那位年轻女子和她的男朋友在那里被捕。
But when that test pops up as blue on Cops, they never say, well, we'll see how the official test comes back.
但是，当该测试在《警察》中显示为蓝色时，他们从来不会说，好吧，我们将看看官方测试如何返回。
They say--
他们说——
And that would be cocaine.
那就是可卡因。
Dan Taberski But it wasn't.
丹·塔伯斯基 但事实并非如此。
And that's not the only discrepancy that John Burdges learned about as this case progressed.
随着案件的进展，这并不是约翰·伯奇斯了解到的唯一差异。
The cop didn't just open the car door and find the suspected drugs, like on the show.
警察并没有像节目中那样，打开车门就发现了可疑毒品。
He searched for 14 minutes before testing anything.
他搜索了 14 分钟，然后才进行任何测试。
And he didn't just do one test, like they show in that episode.
他不仅仅做了一次测试，就像那一集中所展示的那样。
He actually tested it two times for coke before it came back blue.
他实际上测试了两次可乐，然后才变蓝。
One month after the official test results showed it wasn't cocaine, the producers of Cops aired that episode anyway, attracting the wrong kind of notoriety for Burgess' client.
官方测试结果显示这不是可卡因一个月后，《警察》的制片人还是播出了这一集，为伯吉斯的客户带来了错误的恶名。
And in fact, she ended up, over a period of a few months, moving out of Gwinnett County, where she grew up, several miles away.
事实上，她最终在几个月的时间里搬出了几英里外她长大的格温内特县。
You put this young lady through this for what?
你让这位年轻女士经历这些是为了什么？
To film a damn TV show.
去拍一部该死的电视节目。
And nobody cares.
没人关心。
Burgess's client didn't want to talk to me.
伯吉斯的客户不想和我说话。
She's trying to put the whole thing behind her.
她正试图把整件事抛在脑后。
But why would she have agreed to be on Cops in the first place?
但为什么她一开始会同意加入《警察》呢？
Because the thing is for pretty much any reality show, Cops included, the producers do need your consent to show your face on their show, usually by signing a consent form.
因为几乎所有真人秀节目（包括《警察》）都需要您的同意才能在他们的节目中露面，通常是签署同意书。
Why would anyone who just got arrested sign that piece of paper?
为什么刚被捕的人会签署那张纸？
Well, you got to talk to people, and you got to persuade them.
嗯，你必须与人们交谈，你必须说服他们。
Any producer that is worth a salt knows that.
任何值得关注的生产商都知道这一点。
John Langley is the co-creator of Cops.
约翰·兰利是《警察》的联合创始人。
30 years later, he still produces the show, now with the help of his son, Morgan.
30 年后，他仍在儿子摩根的帮助下制作该剧。
Most people who sign do so fully cognizant of what they're doing.
大多数签署的人都充分认识到自己在做什么。
It's just like, they talk to him and listen--
就像，他们和他说话并听——
Here's the good news.
这是好消息。
At this stage of our show's life, people know the show, and it has a certain pop cultural iconic value.
在我们节目生命的现阶段，人们已经了解了该节目，并且它具有一定的流行文化标志价值。
And they'll say, get those news cameras away from me.
他们会说，把那些新闻摄像机从我身上拿开。
Say, we're with the Cops crew, and they go, oh, Cops.
比如说，我们和警察一起，他们就说，哦，警察。
Well, that's OK.
嗯，没关系。
I've actually heard Langley say this before, that people want to be reality show famous, even if it's Cops famous.
事实上，我以前曾听兰利说过这样的话，人们希望在真人秀节目中出名，即使是《警察》出名。
And I've always found it hard to believe, but you kind of gotta take his word for it, unless you're going to track down the people who have been filmed by Cops and ask them yourself.
我一直觉得很难相信，但你必须相信他的话，除非你要找到那些被警察拍摄的人并亲自询问他们。
And so we did.
我们也这么做了。
Because I was given a choice.
因为我有选择。
Sign if I go to jail.
如果我进监狱就签名。
I don't feel like the TV show should have anything to do with my freedom.
我不认为电视节目与我的自由有任何关系。
Corey Robinson was chased and filmed by Cops on his 18th birthday, while he was hanging out in a park in Tampa, Florida.
科里·罗宾逊 (Corey Robinson) 18 岁生日那天在佛罗里达州坦帕市的一个公园里闲逛时，遭到警察的追捕和拍摄。
And he says when he was sitting in the back of a police car, the first person to approach him wasn't a cop, but rather a producer from Cops, the show, who told him--
他说，当他坐在警车后座时，第一个接近他的人不是警察，而是《警察》节目的制片人，他告诉他——
I need you to sign this release form, or you're going to jail with a felony trespassing.
我需要你签署这份授权书，否则你会因非法侵入罪而入狱。
So Corey says no way.
所以科里说没办法。
And he asks to talk to an actual cop.
他要求与一名真正的警察交谈。
And he says to the officer--
他对军官说——
They're telling me you're charging me with a felony trespassing, and I'm going to jail if I don't sign a release form.
他们告诉我，你指控我犯有非法侵入重罪，如果我不签署释放表格，我就会入狱。
He was like, yeah, you should take him up on his offer.
他说，是的，你应该接受他的提议。
He's trying to help you.
他正在努力帮助你。
You need to sign the paper, or you go to jail.
你需要在文件上签名，否则你就会进监狱。
He put the window up, and he walked away.
他把窗户打开，然后走开了。
In fact, of the nine people we were able to find who had been filmed by Cops, all but one say they didn't sign a release, were too drunk or high to do it willingly, or they were coerced into it, like Corey Robinson.
事实上，在我们找到的被警察拍摄的九个人中，除了一个人之外，所有人都说他们没有签署释放书，因为喝得太醉或喝得太高而不愿意这样做，或者他们是被胁迫的，就像科里·罗宾逊一样。
And that young woman in that video that I played you, the cocaine bust that turned out to not be cocaine--
还有我在视频中扮演你的那个年轻女子，查获可卡因，结果证明不是可卡因——
According to her attorney, John Burdges--
据她的律师约翰·伯奇斯说——
They told her, you either sign this waiver, or you won't get a bond.
他们告诉她，你要么签署这份弃权书，要么拿不到保证金。
So you're sitting in jail in a holding area.
所以你坐在监狱的拘留区里。
You're 18 years old, and you can't get out of jail unless you sign this piece of paper.
你已经 18 岁了，除非你在这张纸上签名，否则你无法出狱。
So yeah, she signed a waiver, but it was not voluntary.
是的，她签署了一份弃权书，但这不是自愿的。
Nothing's voluntary when you got handcuffs on.
当你戴上手铐时，没有什么是自愿的。
The producers of Cops maintain that they don't coerce subjects to sign consent forms and that they won't even consider a segment for the show unless they have a signed release in hand.
《警察》的制片人坚称，他们不会强迫受试者签署同意书，而且除非他们手头有签署的授权书，否则他们甚至不会考虑在该剧中添加一个片段。
A spokesperson told us sometimes people sign, then regret it, and make, quote, "outrageous allegations." So that's Cops.
一位发言人告诉我们，有时人们会签字，然后后悔，并提出“令人愤慨的指控”。这就是警察。
There's more going on than what you see on screen.
发生的事情比您在屏幕上看到的更多。
But what about Live PD?
但 Live PD 又如何呢？
I mean, it's live.
我的意思是，它是直播的。
How do you manipulate live?
你如何操纵直播？
Nothing is more it is what it is than a live TV show, right?
没有什么比直播电视节目更重要了，对吧？
No one from Live PD would talk to us about the show or how it's produced.
Live PD 没有人愿意和我们谈论这部剧或者它是如何制作的。
And so we set out to find the answer ourselves by tracking down suspects who have been on the show and having conversations about what actually ended up on television.
因此，我们开始通过追踪节目中的嫌疑人并就电视上的实际结果进行对话来寻找答案。
In the past three years, they've shot in over 30 cities.
三年来，他们的拍摄足迹遍及30多个城市。
And so we picked one-- Spokane, Washington.
所以我们选择了一个——华盛顿州斯波坎。
Welcome back.
欢迎回来。
Let's go to Spokane County, Washington.
我们去华盛顿州斯波坎县。
Deputy van Patton is there.
范巴顿副警长也在场。
And oh, no, looks like we've got another shirtless dude.
哦，不，看来我们还有另一个光着膀子的家伙。
Spokane's 89% white.
斯波坎 89% 是白人。
And like a lot of places, they've got a pretty serious opioid problem.
和很多地方一样，他们也面临着相当严重的阿片类药物问题。
The city's been on 99 hours of Live PD.
该市已进行 99 小时的 Live PD 直播。
And so me and my producers, we watched them all.
所以我和我的制片人，我们都看了。
Meth or heroin, James?
詹姆斯，冰毒还是海洛因？
James Not doing anything.
詹姆斯什么也没做。
All right, James, you have the right to remain silent.
好吧，詹姆斯，你有权保持沉默。
The goal was to look for clues as to the suspect's identity.
目的是寻找有关嫌疑人身份的线索。
They only say their first names, if even that.
他们只说自己的名字，即使是这样。
So we look for a first name, or a street sign maybe, so that we could see where the arrest happened.
所以我们会寻找名字，或者街道标志，这样我们就可以看到逮捕发生的地点。
And then we would cross-reference that with court records from around the same time, trying to find a match.
然后我们将其与大约同一时间的法庭记录进行交叉引用，试图找到匹配的内容。
And that is how my producer Henry and I met Amy.
我和制片人亨利就是这样认识艾米的。
What do you think?
你怎么认为？
I'm going to just kind of mic it, like, back and forth.
我会用麦克风来回播放。
This is weird.
这很奇怪。
It's like I'm being interrogated, but not by police officers.
这就像我正在被审问，但不是被警察审问。
And remember it this time.
这次一定要记住。
Amy was on Live PD, season 2, episode 21.
艾米参加了 Live PD 第二季第 21 集。
I'll play a little bit of that episode for you.
我将为您播放该集的一小部分。
Excuse me.
打扰一下。
Oh, is she drunk?
哦，她喝醉了吗？
Dan Taberski A Spokane County Sheriff's deputy is responding to a call about a disturbance.
丹·塔伯斯基 (Dan Taberski) 斯波坎县副警长正在接听有关骚乱的电话。
And they find a woman in her late 30s.
他们找到了一名 30 多岁的女性。
That's Amy.
那是艾米。
Then why are you sitting on the floor, crying?
那你为什么坐在地上哭呢？
Because I'm drunk.
因为我喝醉了。
And I lose everything I love.
我失去了我所爱的一切。
OK.
好的。
So you weren't arguing, just drunk and obnoxious is all?
所以你们并没有吵架，只是喝醉了并且令人讨厌而已？
She's sitting on the floor of what looks like a trailer behind a regular house.
她坐在普通房子后面看起来像拖车的地板上。
Amy is drunk.
艾米喝醉了。
Drunk drunk.
醉了醉了。
Sure.
当然。
OK.
好的。
Do you have shoes?
你有鞋吗？
Let's walk out.
我们出去走走吧。
Come on.
快点。
Let's get you out of this nice gentleman's trailer so he can enjoy his evening.
让我们带你离开这位好先生的拖车，这样他就可以享受他的夜晚了。
They don't explain where or why they're even moving her, and they don't wait for shoes.
他们没有解释为什么要把她搬到哪里或为什么，也没有等待鞋子。
There are six inches of snow on the ground, and they drag her through it in her pink socks.
地上有六英寸厚的积雪，他们拖着穿着粉红色袜子的她穿过雪。
OK.
好的。
OK.
好的。
Dan Taberski The officer runs a check on her name, and a warrant comes out.
丹·塔伯斯基（Dan Taberski） 警官对她的名字进行了核查，并发出了逮捕令。
You've got a felony warrant for possession of stolen property, OK?
你已经收到了占有被盗财产的重罪逮捕令，好吗？
I didn't do nothing.
我什么也没做。
You're arresting me for nothing.
你无缘无故地逮捕我。
I have no [BLEEP].
我没有[BLEEP]。
The warrant isn't actually for stolen property.
逮捕令实际上并不是针对被盗财产的。
It's for failure to appear in court.
这是因为未能出庭。
They cuff her in the snow in her socks.
他们在雪地里把她铐在袜子里。
You can see her breath.
你可以看到她的呼吸。
Please don't.
请不要。
I've got no shirt on underneath.
我下面没穿衬衫。
Please don't.
请不要。
Hey, relax.
嘿，放松点。
He's just making sure you don't have anything on you.
他只是确认你身上没有任何东西。
[INAUDIBLE] I'm not a whore.
[听不清]我不是妓女。
Officer OK, good.
警官 好的，好的。
The officer arrests her and her boyfriend and puts them both in the same cop car.
警察逮捕了她和她的男朋友，并将他们放在同一辆警车里。
And host Dan Abrams gives this commentary at the end.
主持人丹·艾布拉姆斯在最后给出了这样的评论。
It seems those who steal together stay together.
看来一起偷窃的人会永远在一起。
And they're together now in the back seat of that car, both with outstanding warrants.
他们现在一起坐在那辆车的后座上，两人都有未执行的搜查令。
And that's it.
就是这样。
We don't see her again in the episode.
我们在这一集中没有再看到她。
Let's go to Richland County in South Carolina.
我们去南卡罗来纳州的里奇兰县。
Do you remember it at all?
你还记得吗？
Amy Just bits and pieces.
艾米只是一些零碎的东西。
We met Amy at her parents' home on a street that dead ends at the Spokane River.
我们在艾米父母的家中见到了她，她的家位于斯波坎河尽头的一条街道上。
Amy doesn't ask us in.
艾米没有邀请我们进去。
We sit and talk on a couple lawn chairs in the front yard.
我们坐在前院的几张草坪椅上聊天。
It's still patched with melting snow.
它仍然被融化的雪修补着。
That afternoon, I remember having a drink.
那天下午，我记得喝了一杯酒。
And I'm a drinker, obviously.
显然，我是个酒鬼。
And I have no recollection after this, just, cup of alcohol.
在这之后我什么都不记得了，只是喝了一杯酒。
No. Dan Taberski Literally do not remember it.
不，丹·塔伯斯基（Dan Taberski）确实不记得了。
No, I have no fucking clue.
不，我他妈的一点线索都没有。
Dan Taberski Do you remember the cops picking you up and helping you out of that house?
丹·塔伯斯基（Dan Taberski） 你还记得警察接你并帮助你离开那所房子吗？
Do you remember walking through the snow?
你还记得走过雪地吗？
I don't even remember them reading me my rights.
我什至不记得他们读过我的权利。
You saw the cameras.
你看到了摄像机。
Amy I have no recollection of that whole time frame, gentlemen.
艾米，先生们，我不记得整个时间段。
Mm-mm.
嗯嗯。
I didn't start actually really remembering things until I was in booking.
直到我预订时我才开始真正记住事情。
I woke up in booking.
我在预订中醒来。
And I guess I had a mask on my face and--
我猜我脸上戴着面具——
A what?
一个什么？
Amy A mask on my face because I guess I was spitting.
艾米在我脸上戴上口罩，因为我猜我在吐口水。
And it was just really embarrassing, you know?
这真的很尴尬，你知道吗？
Can I ask you, I mean, is that something that happens?
我可以问你，我的意思是，这是发生过的事情吗？
Have you blacked out before?
你以前黑过吗？
Often?
经常？
You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
如果您不想回答，则不必回答。
I'm just--
我只是——
Not often.
不经常。
Probably like the fourth time I blacked out, and the police were around.
大概是我第四次昏过去的时候，警察就在附近。
Question-- how does someone that drunk-- blackout drunk-- consent to being on Live PD, a live television show?
问题——一个喝醉了的人——喝醉了——怎么会同意参加现场电视节目《Live PD》？
I mean, it's hard enough for the show Cops to get them to sign, and that's taped months in advance.
我的意思是，对于剧中的警察来说，让他们签字已经够难的了，而且这是提前几个月录制的。
No. Obviously not.
不，显然不是。
Dan Taberski Did they talk to you about the fact that you were on television?
丹·塔伯斯基（Dan Taberski） 他们有跟你谈过你上电视的事吗？
No. Dan Taberski So this is the first thing we figure out.
不，丹·塔伯斯基（Dan Taberski） 所以这是我们首先要弄清楚的事情。
Whereas pretty much any other reality show needs the consent of people who appear on their show, Live PD makes a different case.
几乎所有其他真人秀节目都需要获得节目中出现者的同意，但 Live PD 的情况却有所不同。
Because it's live, or close to live-- they're actually on a delay.
因为它是直播，或者接近直播——他们实际上有延迟。
It's somewhere between 10 and 40 minutes.
大约需要 10 到 40 分钟。
But because it's live, Live PD says, hey, we're basically news.
但因为是直播，Live PD 说，嘿，我们基本上就是新闻。
And news doesn't need consent from suspects, so why should we?
新闻不需要嫌疑人的同意，那我们为什么要呢？
At least that's what they've argued in court.
至少他们在法庭上是这么说的。
So for people like Amy, there is no consent involved here.
所以对于艾米这样的人来说，这里不涉及同意。
You're on the show whether you like it or not.
无论你喜欢与否，你都在节目中。
They don't blur her face, nothing.
他们没有模糊她的脸，什么都没有。
Another thing we learned about Live PD and Cops, too, is that the police approve everything that goes on the air.
我们从《Live PD》和《警察》中了解到的另一件事是，警方批准播出的所有内容。
With Live PD, that's where that 10- to 40-minute delay comes in.
对于 Live PD，这就是 10 到 40 分钟延迟的原因。
There's actually a hotline set up, like a Batphone, where the sheriffs can see what's about to go out on the air and just pick up the hotline and kill it.
实际上有一条热线电话，就像蝙蝠电话一样，治安官可以看到即将播出的内容，然后拿起热线电话并终止它。
A lot of people watch Live PD.
很多人都看Live PD。
What do you imagine they're watching it for?
你猜他们看这个是为了什么？
To watch fucking drunk-ass idiots make fools of themselves, myself-- sorry to be like that, but they are just fucking-- they have no problem belittling you, and humiliating you, and degrading you, just laughing at me and stuff in booking and just-- some of them calling me names.
看着他妈的醉酒白痴出丑，我自己——很抱歉这样，但他们就是他妈的——他们毫无问题地贬低你，羞辱你，贬低你，只是嘲笑我和预订中的东西，只是——他们中的一些人辱骂我。
In fact, by the time Live PD was on again the next night, they had already edited footage of Amy into the opening of the show, a hot mix of the most salacious moments with Amy exclaiming--
事实上，当 Live PD 第二天晚上再次播出时，他们已经将艾米的镜头剪辑到了节目的开头，这是最性感时刻的热门组合，艾米惊呼道：
She is drunk.
她喝醉了。
Dan Taberski And what's more, she was afraid her Live PD appearance would just make her look guilty before she even had a trial.
丹·塔伯斯基 (Dan Taberski) 更重要的是，她担心自己在现场警察局的露面只会让她在审判之前显得有罪。
Been there for them to say I'm going to jail on a fucking stolen property-- Jesus.
在那里，他们说我会因为偷窃财产而入狱——天啊。
Because now everyone's assuming that you stole property, instead of-- or somebody going--
因为现在每个人都假设你偷了财产，而不是——或者有人去——
Yeah, before I even fucking go to trial.
是的，在我他妈的去受审之前。
And if I don't beat my trial, thanks a lot, fucking Live PD.
如果我没有通过审判，非常感谢，他妈的Live PD。
Do you understand what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗？
Already, I looked like a piece of shit.
我已经看起来像一坨屎了。
That's fucking another nail in my coffin.
这真是又一个钉在我棺材上的钉子。
And it's just like you-- yeah.
这就像你一样——是的。
Did you ever have any good interactions with the police?
你和警察有过良好的互动吗？
Yes, once.
是的，一次。
A long time ago, there was a police officer once.
很久以前，有一个警察。
I was walking down Empire, and it was winter.
我沿着帝国大道行走，当时正值冬天。
I didn't have a coat, no shoes-- just a blanket.
我没有外套，没有鞋子，只有一条毯子。
And he actually gave me a ride in his car to a battered women's shelter.
他实际上用他的车载我去了受虐妇女收容所。
I never forgot that.
我从未忘记过这一点。
They're not all assholes, but the majority of them, yes, are.
他们并不都是混蛋，但他们中的大多数，是的，是。
And it's nothing I would not say to their face.
我不会当着他们的面说任何话。
I'm getting that sense.
我明白了。
Amy We would all notice.
艾米我们都会注意到的。
You do see good policing on Live PD-- all the time, actually.
事实上，你确实可以在 Live PD 上看到良好的警务工作，事实上，一直如此。
Cops, too.
警察也是。
You see it in big and small ways-- officers being kind to an elderly woman who keeps calling 911 just for company.
你可以从大大小小的方面看到这一点——警察对一位老妇人很友善，她一直拨打 911 寻求陪伴。
We found one guy who OD'd on camera, and the cops gave him Narcan, saved his life.
我们在镜头前发现一个吸毒的人，警察给了他麻醉剂，救了他的命。
There are segments where the police de-escalate situations in ways that seem really impressive.
在某些片段中，警察以令人印象深刻的方式缓和了局势。
But these shows, they're not designed around those segments.
但这些节目并不是围绕这些细分市场设计的。
It's not good TV to watch a cop help an old lady across the street.
看警察帮助老太太过马路的电视节目可不是什么好节目。
Over the past five years, body cameras have been adopted by police departments across the country.
过去五年来，执法记录仪已被全国各地的警察部门采用。
The idea being simple-- if there's a body cam recording your every move, it will encourage good policing.
这个想法很简单——如果有一个随身摄像头记录你的一举一动，它将鼓励良好的警务工作。
But what about a TV camera?
但是电视摄像机呢？
Does that encourage good policing, or does it encourage the police to make good TV?
这是否鼓励了良好的警务工作，或者是否鼓励警察制作优秀的电视节目？
Amy had a friend who was also filmed by Live PD who felt the cops had gone after her not just as police, but as police trying to make a compelling TV show.
艾米有一个朋友，她也被 Live PD 拍摄到，她觉得警察不仅以警察的身份追捕她，而且还以警察的身份试图制作一部引人注目的电视节目。
I went to jail, then my friend went fucking the week later.
我进了监狱，一周后我的朋友就去操了。
So we go.
所以我们走吧。
A few miles away, we find the house that Jessica is staying at right now.
几英里外，我们找到了杰西卡现在住的房子。
It's her mom's place.
这是她妈妈的地方。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Jessica Hi, nice to meet you.
[插话]杰西卡嗨，很高兴认识你。
I'm Jessica.
我是杰西卡。
How are you going?
你怎么样？
[INTERPOSING VOICES] I just got out of jail this morning, and my mom was moving without me.
[插话] 今天早上我刚出狱，我妈妈独自一人搬家。
Jessica's hair is wet.
杰西卡的头发湿了。
She just got out of the shower.
她刚洗完澡。
Thick ropes of cigarette smoke snake around the room.
浓浓的香烟烟雾在房间里蜿蜒而行。
She's welcoming and a little frazzled, given the day she's already had.
她很热情，但考虑到她已经经历了这一天，她有点疲惫。
I just got out.
我刚出去。
Like I said, I just got off the transport after a three-hour drive this morning, and was in booking from Benton County Jail.
就像我说的，今天早上我经过三个小时的车程后刚刚下车，正在从本顿县监狱预订。
Jessica's had a rough go.
杰西卡过得很艰难。
She's an addict, has been for a while.
她是个瘾君子，已经有一段时间了。
And turns out, Jessica has had more than one run-in with the Live PD cameras.
事实证明，杰西卡与 Live PD 摄像机发生过不止一次冲突。
Yeah, well, they always [INAUDIBLE] film.
是的，好吧，他们总是[听不清]拍电影。
She thinks she's being targeted in a way that she wouldn't be if the police didn't have cameras following them.
她认为，如果警察没有摄像机跟踪，她就不会成为攻击目标。
Which leads us to the other thing we find out.
这引出了我们发现的另一件事。
Live PD, not totally live.
直播 PD，但不完全直播。
They hedge their bets.
他们对冲他们的赌注。
They actually send crews out at all hours, filming arrests and banking them.
实际上，他们全天候派出工作人员，拍摄逮捕行动并将其存入银行。
So if it's a slow night of policing, they can just slap one of those on the air, and say it's earlier.
因此，如果这是一个警察工作缓慢的夜晚，他们可以直接在广播中播放其中一个，并说时间还早。
Like this.
像这样。
We want to show you something that happened earlier in Spokane County, Washington.
我们想向您展示早些时候在华盛顿州斯波坎县发生的事情。
The implication is earlier today, right?
意思是今天早些时候，对吧？
Like a couple hours ago?
就像几个小时前一样？
Jessica's arrest happened over three weeks before it aired.
杰西卡被捕发生在节目播出前三周多。
Here's how Jessica's Live PD appearance went down.
以下是杰西卡在 Live PD 中的亮相是如何失败的。
This is Live PD, season 1, episode 57.
这是 Live PD 第一季第 57 集。
Deputies went to serve a warrant on a woman they've dealt with many times before.
代表们对一名他们之前曾多次打交道的女子发出了逮捕令。
So, right now, we're just going to a female that is wanted by department of corrections on a warrant.
所以，现在我们要去找一名被惩教部门通缉的女性。
We know her very well.
我们非常了解她。
She has an extensive history with us.
她与我们有着悠久的历史。
So we're just going to go to her mom's house, where she might be at, see if she's there.
所以我们要去她妈妈家，她可能在的地方，看看她是否在那里。
Don't let that horror movie music fool you, by the way.
顺便说一句，不要让恐怖电影的音乐欺骗了你。
That warrant is for a low-level offense, basically for missing a date with her corrections officer.
该逮捕令是针对轻罪的，基本上是因为错过了与惩教官的约会。
So, she's not an ax murderer.
所以，她不是斧头杀人犯。
I'll let Jessica narrate the rest.
剩下的事情就让杰西卡来讲述吧。
We were sitting here smoking a bowl of meth in my mom's driveway right here.
我们坐在我妈妈的车道上吸一碗冰毒。
We get our stuff together.
我们把我们的东西放在一起。
We're driving down the driveway, and there's a cop.
我们正沿着车道行驶，有一个警察。
So she runs and hides in the bushes, but the cops brought the dog, who sniffed her out.
于是她跑到灌木丛里躲了起来，但警察把狗带来了，狗把她嗅了出来。
Sheriff's office, stop.
警长办公室，停下来。
Jessica And all of a sudden, boom.
杰西卡 突然之间，繁荣。
I'm lit up by big camera lights, the dog, three cops.
我被巨大的摄像机灯、狗和三名警察照亮。
And that's where you'll see the footage that they actually showed.
在那里您将看到他们实际展示的镜头。
You're under arrest.
你被捕了。
Jessica [INAUDIBLE] today.
杰西卡[听不清]今天。
This dog?
这只狗？
Jessica I was like, hey, man, don't let the dog bite me.
杰西卡我当时想，嘿，伙计，别让狗咬我。
If you watch the footage, you can see that I'm pretty afraid of the dog.
如果你看录像，你就会发现我非常害怕那只狗。
She stands up out of the bushes, hands up, and she's got no top on.
她从灌木丛中站起来，举起双手，但她没穿上衣。
She's in her bra.
她在胸罩里。
She pulled her shirt off because it was bright orange, and she thought it might give her away.
她脱下衬衫，因为它是亮橙色的，她认为这可能会暴露她的身份。
For these earlier-on segments, the ones that aren't aired live, Live PD, from what we can tell actually does try to get consent from suspects.
对于这些早期的片段，那些没有现场直播的片段，Live PD，据我们所知，实际上确实试图获得嫌疑人的同意。
Jessica said no. But that doesn't mean they won't use it.
杰西卡说不。但这并不意味着他们不会使用它。
They'll just blur your face.
他们只会模糊你的脸。
So Jessica's face is blurred, but nothing else is.
所以杰西卡的脸是模糊的，但其他什么都不是。
All the cops are kind of smirking, and smiling at her.
所有的警察都在傻笑，对她微笑。
Keep moving.
继续前进。
Jessica This is all over DOC?
杰西卡 这一切都结束了吗？
Yeah, crazy.
是的，疯狂。
Jessica [INAUDIBLE] around.
杰西卡[听不清]在附近。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
I've been running because I was thinking you guys, I'm in trouble for something different.
我一直在跑步，因为我在想你们，我遇到了一些不同的麻烦。
My bad.
我的不好。
What did you think you were in trouble for?
你以为你遇到什么麻烦了？
Kill somebody we don't know about?
杀死一个我们不认识的人？
She was hiding in the back of her mom's house.
她躲在她妈妈房子的后面。
Her face was blurred, but she was still recognized on the show by friends and by a niece who lives 300 miles away.
她的脸已经模糊了，但她的朋友和住在 300 英里外的侄女仍然在节目中认出了她。
But Jessica's biggest complaint about all this is how relentless the police were in trying to get her on camera.
但杰西卡对这一切最大的抱怨是警察不遗余力地试图让她上镜。
Fine.
美好的。
If they want to serve her a warrant, she's dealt with the police before.
如果他们想向她发出搜查令，她之前就和警察打过交道。
But they seemed dead-set on serving her that warrant on TV.
但他们似乎铁了心要在电视上为她提供逮捕令。
They came again, and again.
他们一次又一次地来了。
They've came to my mom's house.
他们来我妈妈家了。
I could-- let me call my mom real quick and I'll ask her, we can probably-- I can put it on speaker and you guys can hear how many times they came here with the dog, with the cameras, beating down the door at 1:30, 2:00 in the morning.
我可以——让我快点给我妈妈打电话，我会问她，我们也许可以——我可以把它打开扬声器，你们就能听到他们有多少次带着狗带着摄像机来到这里，在凌晨 1:30、2:00 敲门。
When my mom goes to work, my daughter is in the 7th grade, and goes to school, and is a wonderful student and athlete.
当我妈妈去上班时，我女儿正在上七年级，正在上学，是一名出色的学生和运动员。
And beating down the door like I'm some pistol-toting, dope-dealing, assault rifle-carrying badass bitch.
然后我就破门而入，就像我是一个拿着手枪、贩卖毒品、携带突击步枪的坏蛋一样。
And that's not me.
那不是我。
Yeah.
是的。
Jessica Hi, hey.
杰西卡 嗨，嘿。
Real quick, you're being recorded, just so you know.
很快，你就会被录音，只是为了让你知道。
OK.
好的。
Jessica How many times would you figure that Live PD and the cops came over here looking for me since July?
杰西卡 你猜自七月份以来，Live PD 和警察来这里找过我多少次？
Uh, probably 6.
呃，大概是6个。
Probably about six times.
大概有六次左右。
Oh, beyond.
哦，超出了。
Oh, absolutely.
哦，绝对是。
Dan Taberski I worked as a producer on a live television show once, and I'll never do it again.
Dan Taberski 我曾经在电视直播节目中担任过制片人，我再也不会这样做了。
The pressure is truly nauseating, and dead air is not an option.
压力确实令人作呕，死气沉沉的空气不是一个选择。
And Live PD has got six hours live every week.
Live PD 每周有六个小时的直播时间。
You've got to fill it with something.
你必须用一些东西来填充它。
Would it be that surprising if the police did target her, all for some dumb TV show?
如果警察真的因为一些愚蠢的电视节目而针对她，那会令人惊讶吗？
Listen to what one of the officers said about her on the scene.
听听现场一名警官对她的评价。
She's tripping a bit right now.
她现在有点绊倒。
She's a frequent flyer that we know very well.
她是我们非常熟悉的飞行常客。
She's been arrested lots and lots for this kind of thing.
她因为这种事被逮捕了很多次。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
Dan Taberski They know Jessica.
丹·塔伯斯基 他们认识杰西卡。
Spokane is a small city.
斯波坎是一个小城市。
They know all about her.
他们了解她的一切。
I'm pretty entertaining, I guess.
我觉得我很有趣。
You know, like if I keep them laughing, and everything seems to go a little bit smoother.
你知道，如果我让他们笑起来，一切似乎都会变得更顺利。
And I have a really good sense of humor, so.
而且我很有幽默感，所以。
She does, actually.
事实上，她确实如此。
Jessica is charming.
杰西卡很迷人。
She's funny.
她很有趣。
And she's quick.
而且她动作很快。
And if the police deal with her as much as they say they do, they'd know that, too.
如果警察像他们所说的那样对待她，他们也会知道这一点。
After her arrest was all over one officer, even says--
她被捕后，一名警官甚至说——
She's a hoot.
她是个混蛋。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Dan Taberski She's a hoot.
丹·塔伯斯基（Dan Taberski） 她真是个混蛋。
In other words, she's good TV.
换句话说，她是一部好电视。
And she was.
她确实是。
She was weird, and wacky, and she had no top on.
她很奇怪，很古怪，而且没穿上衣。
You know, just because I'm having a bad month, or a bad year, or a bad week, doesn't mean that they can take my face, and my name, and call me a frequent flyer, like they said.
你知道，仅仅因为我度过了糟糕的一个月、一年或一周，并不意味着他们可以拿走我的脸和我的名字，并称我为常旅客，就像他们所说的那样。
I might be a washed-out junkie, but I've got a good soul and a good personality, and, you know.
我可能是一个被淘汰的瘾君子，但我有一个好的灵魂和好的个性，而且，你知道。
The Spokane sheriff's office says they didn't target Jessica because she would make good TV.
斯波坎治安官办公室表示，他们没有针对杰西卡，因为她会拍出精彩的电视节目。
They went after her multiple times because she had a warrant.
他们多次追捕她，因为她有逮捕令。
They say it's not uncommon.
他们说这并不罕见。
Quote, "That was true before Live PD was here, and it's still true today."
引用：“在 Live PD 出现之前这是事实，今天仍然如此。”
In March of last year, the city council in Spokane decided that they had had enough, that citizens were being forced onto the show unwillingly.
去年三月，斯波坎市议会认为他们已经受够了，公民被迫不情愿地观看演出。
But also, and a little more practically, it just didn't make the city look that good on national television.
但更实际的是，它并没有让这座城市在国家电视台上看起来那么好。
They voted 5 to 1 to effectively kick Live PD and Cops out of the city limits.
他们以 5 比 1 的投票结果有效地将 Live PD 和警察赶出城市范围。
Other cities that have rethought their participation in Live PD-- Bridgeport, Connecticut, Streetsboro, Ohio, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.
其他重新考虑参与 Live PD 的城市包括康涅狄格州布里奇波特、俄亥俄州斯特里茨伯勒和俄克拉荷马州塔尔萨。
The pushback doesn't seem to be slowing Live PD down, though.
不过，这种阻力似乎并没有减缓 Live PD 的发展速度。
In fact, last fall A&E ordered more episodes of the show.
事实上，去年秋天，A&E 订购了更多剧集。
But not like 13 or 26 episodes like a network normally would.
但不像网络通常那样有 13 或 26 集。
They ordered 450 more hours of it.
他们又订购了 450 个小时。
Dan Taberski.
丹·塔伯斯基.
His podcast is called Running from Cops.
他的播客名为“逃离警察”。
It's made by Pineapple Street Media.
它是由菠萝街媒体制作的。
The producers of Live PD did not respond to Dan and his team when they reached out.
当丹和他的团队联系时，Live PD 的制片人没有做出回应。
And we also reached out.
我们也伸出了援手。
We tried to do some fact-checking with them.
我们试图与他们进行一些事实核查。
They did not answer our fact check questions, but did issue a statement asserting the rights to broadcast what they do live.
他们没有回答我们的事实核查问题，但发表了一份声明，声称有权直播他们所做的事情。
Quote, "The First Amendment protects the right of the media to record people involved in public places in matters of public interest, which certainly includes the actions of law enforcement."
引用：“第一修正案保护媒体记录公共场所参与公共利益事务的人员的权利，其中当然包括执法行动。”
Coming up on TV, but there is no way you could ever know it, because you don't know what TV is.
出现在电视上，但你不可能知道它，因为你不知道电视是什么。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, I'm on TV.
今天的节目，我上电视了。
Stories of people who are used to being on the watching side of television, the normal side of television, who suddenly, without choosing, are placed on the other side of the screen.
故事讲述了那些习惯于观看电视的人们，即电视的正常一侧，突然，没有选择，被置于屏幕的另一侧。
Or maybe the best way to say that is they're inside the screen.
或者也许最好的说法是它们在屏幕内。
I don't know.
我不知道。
What's that do to you?
那对你有什么用？
We've arrived at Act 2 of our program.
我们已经到了计划的第二幕。
Act 2, "Born To Play The Part." I know somebody who whenever we would watch a film or TV show, if there was a dog in the scene, they always did the same thing-- they would turn to me and say, dog doesn't know it's in a movie.
第二幕，“生来就是为了扮演这个角色。”我知道有人每当我们看电影或电视节目时，如果场景中有一只狗，他们总是做同样的事情——他们会转向我说，狗不知道它在电影中。
Or dog doesn't know that's Mel Gibson.
或者狗不知道那是梅尔·吉布森。
Dog doesn't know that Neil Patrick Harris.
狗不认识尼尔·帕特里克·哈里斯。
Same thing if a baby showed up.
如果婴儿出现，同样的情况。
Baby doesn't know that's Meryl Streep.
宝贝不知道那是梅丽尔·斯特里普。
Baby doesn't know it's in a film.
Baby不知道这是在电影里。
One of our producers, Bim Adewunmi, is also a big noticer or of babies on television, including one in particular that she's become slightly obsessed with.
我们的制片人之一 Bim Adewunmi 也是电视上的婴儿的关注者，尤其是她有点着迷的婴儿。
Here's Bim.
这是比姆。
OK.
好的。
So it's an uncharacteristically peaceful scene in the sixth season of The Walking Dead.
所以这是《行尸走肉》第六季中一反常态的平静场景。
No zombies, no gore.
没有僵尸，没有血腥。
There's a man, the hero of the show, Rick Grimes and his teenage son Carl.
有一个男人，这部剧的英雄，里克·格莱姆斯和他十几岁的儿子卡尔。
The whole scene has a cloud of awkward family tension, but nothing more perilous than that.
整个场景充满了尴尬的家庭紧张气氛，但没有什么比这更危险的了。
Get your stuff.
拿走你的东西。
Gabriel can take care of Judith while we're gone.
我们不在的时候，加布里埃尔可以照顾朱迪思。
I'm not coming.
我不来了。
Bim Adewunmi But wait.
Bim Adewunmi 但是等等。
There's a third character in the scene.
场景中有第三个角色。
She's wearing a lilac smock dress, and she's got a pacifier in her mouth.
她穿着一件淡紫色的罩衫裙，嘴里叼着一个奶嘴。
She's a baby, and she's adorable.
她还是个婴儿，而且很可爱。
Her name is Judith.
她的名字叫朱迪思。
So anyway, Rick is carrying Judith towards Carl in the street.
不管怎样，瑞克背着朱迪思在街上走向卡尔。
And as they approach, the baby spots the teen and she waves.
当他们靠近时，婴儿发现了青少年，她向她挥手。
It's obviously unscripted, because how could you script a toddler?
这显然是无脚本的，因为你怎么能为一个小孩编写脚本呢？
And you can see the actor playing her dad, Andrew Lincoln, look down and smile in surprise.
你可以看到扮演她父亲安德鲁·林肯的演员低下头，惊讶地微笑。
All through the scene Judy goes through baby's greatest hits.
在整个场景中，朱迪都经历了婴儿最热门的歌曲。
She fidgets.
她坐立不安。
She sucks on her pacifier.
她吮吸着奶嘴。
She makes sounds that the subtitles caption as babbling.
她发出的声音就像字幕一样在胡言乱语。
And with one arm wrapped around Rick's bicep, she swivels her head back and forth, just observing her environment.
她用一只手臂搂住里克的二头肌，来回转动头部，只是观察周围的环境。
And then she does the one thing you're not supposed to do.
然后她做了一件你不应该做的事。
She spots the camera, and then proceeds very happily to break the fourth wall.
她发现了摄像机，然后非常高兴地打破了第四面墙。
She stares, and I mean stares down the barrel of the camera.
她凝视着，我的意思是凝视着相机的镜筒。
Her focus, laser-sharp.
她的专注，如激光般锐利。
Above her head, acting with a capital A, is happening.
在她的头顶上，正在发生大写的A表演。
This is the highest-rated cable show in America.
这是美国收视率最高的有线电视节目。
But to this baby, who knows nothing about craft, or dramaturgy, or anything else or the televisual arts, there's only a great big camera.
但对于这个对工艺、戏剧、或其他任何东西或电视艺术一无所知的婴儿来说，只有一台很棒的大相机。
And as far as she understands life, it's there to be looked at.
就她对生活的理解而言，生活是值得观察的。
A few things go through my mind whenever I watch this scene.
每当我看到这个场景时，我都会想到一些事情。
That this must have been the best take of the day.
这一定是今天最好的镜头了。
I don't know why, but that tickles me.
我不知道为什么，但这让我很痒。
The idea of a Hollywood set being at the mercy of a baby's whims is just joyous to me.
好莱坞的布景任由婴儿的奇思妙想的摆布，这个想法对我来说真是令人高兴。
Judith has been around on the show since the third season, the first baby born to our heroes since the dead began roaming the Earth.
朱迪思从第三季开始就出现在节目中，她是自死者开始在地球上漫游以来我们的英雄所生的第一个孩子。
The parade of babies who played her in seasons 3 to 5 were fine.
在第三季到第五季中扮演她的婴儿游行都很好。
But the Judith they cast in season 6, ah, the platonic ideal of cute baby.
但是第六季他们选的朱迪思啊，柏拉图式的可爱宝宝理想。
Cheeks, heavy and jowly.
脸颊厚重，下巴突出。
Mouth rosebud.
嘴里的玫瑰花蕾。
Eyes wide and bright.
眼睛又大又明亮。
Can a baby have charisma?
婴儿能有魅力吗？
Well, this baby had charisma.
嗯，这个婴儿很有魅力。
First of all, she was a surprisingly good actor sometimes.
首先，她有时是一位令人惊讶的好演员。
All right.
好的。
New plan.
新计划。
Bim Adewunmi Judith, along with her parents and brother, are trying to escape a herd of walkers who have broken into their community.
比姆·阿德文米·朱迪思 (Bim Adewunmi Judith) 与她的父母和兄弟一起试图逃离一群闯入社区的步行者。
The thing is, walkers can smell humans.
问题是，步行者可以闻到人类的气味。
And so the survivors have to mask their scent by wearing sheets smeared in Walker guts to get through the horde.
因此，幸存者必须穿着涂有沃克内脏的床单来掩盖自己的气味，才能穿过人群。
Eventually, the group is forced to split up, and Judy gets passed from her brother, who's carrying her under his sheet, to another member of the group.
最终，这群人被迫分开，朱迪从她的哥哥那里被转移到了另一位成员那里，而哥哥把她藏在床单下。
I'll take her.
我会带她去。
Bim Adewunmi There's a tight shot of Judy's little face as she gets transferred, fake blood on her cheek.
Bim Adewunmi 有一张朱迪被转移时小脸的特写镜头，脸颊上有假血。
And she looks 100% stressed out, like she's thinking, for god's sake, what now?
她看起来压力百分百，就像她在想，天啊，现在怎么办？
And of course she thinks that.
她当然这么认为。
Look around her.
看看她的周围。
It's all zombies.
都是僵尸。
She's not acting at all, which of course makes her the best actor in the scene.
她根本没有在表演，这当然使她成为该场景中的最佳演员。
Talk about method.
说说方法。
We get Judith in short bursts, mere seconds at a time.
我们会在短时间内抓住朱迪思，一次只有几秒钟。
I've inadvertently watched her grow up.
我在不经意间见证了她的成长。
In the first episode of season 9, she talks.
在第九季的第一集中，她说话了。
[CHILD BABBLING] Judith is actually played by two babies.
[孩子牙牙学语]朱迪思实际上是由两个婴儿扮演的。
That tends to be the case because of pesky things like labor laws and child welfare.
由于劳动法和儿童福利等烦人的事情，情况往往如此。
You can swap out one identical twin for another without messing up continuity.
您可以将一个同卵双胞胎替换为另一个，而不会破坏连续性。
The twins that play Judith, their names are Sofia and Chloe Garcia-Frizzi.
扮演朱迪思的双胞胎，他们的名字是索菲亚和克洛伊·加西亚·弗里齐。
I cannot stress this enough.
我怎么强调都不为过。
The Garcia-Frizzi twins might be the cutest babies I have ever seen, on telly or in real life.
加西亚-弗里兹双胞胎可能是我在电视上或现实生活中见过的最可爱的婴儿。
Top three, definitely.
前三，绝对是。
They arrived in their butterball prime, all round and squishy.
他们到达时正值黄油般的巅峰时期，浑身圆润，软软的。
No hard edges to them.
他们没有硬边。
And now they are five years old.
现在他们五岁了。
It's funny to think of babies as famous, as being recognized by fans in the streets.
认为婴儿很出名，在街上被粉丝认出来，这很有趣。
Because being a baby, you're often the center of attention.
因为作为婴儿，您经常成为关注的焦点。
You have someone who prepares your food and drives you around.
有人为你准备食物并开车送你到处走走。
It's not so different from being famous.
这和出名没什么区别。
There's no way a baby would know they were getting special attention.
婴儿不可能知道他们受到了特别的关注。
Babies just expect that.
婴儿们只是期待这一点。
I talked to the Garcia-Frizzi twins' mother, Tiffany, to ask if the girls knew they were famous now that they're five.
我与加西亚-弗里齐双胞胎的母亲蒂芙尼交谈，询问女孩们是否知道她们现在已经五岁了。
It's actually really, really funny, because until my oldest daughter told them that they were famous, they legitimately did not now.
这实际上真的非常非常有趣，因为直到我的大女儿告诉他们他们很出名之前，他们现在确实没有出名。
Like they would go up to kids at the park, and they'd ask them what TV show they're on.
就像他们会去公园里的孩子们面前，问他们正在看什么电视节目一样。
And it's like, no not everybody's on a TV show.
就像，不，不是每个人都在电视节目中。
So until their older sister was like no, you guys are on TV.
所以直到他们的姐姐说不，你们才上电视。
You're famous.
你很有名。
They're like, what's famous?
他们说，什么是出名的？
I was like, it means nothing.
我当时想，这没什么意义。
It means nothing.
这没有任何意义。
They get recognized from time to time, like when they went trick or treating and the people at the house were dressed like characters from "The Walking Dead."
他们时不时就会被认出来，比如当他们去“不给糖就捣蛋”的时候，家里的人都打扮得像《行尸走肉》中的角色。
I think they're starting to come aware of, like, that other people do know who they are that aren't necessarily people we know, if that makes sense.
我认为他们开始意识到，其他人确实知道他们是谁，但不一定是我们认识的人，如果这有意义的话。
Like, strangers know who they are.
就像，陌生人知道他们是谁。
I don't think they really necessarily connected it to fame yet.
我认为他们还没有真正将其与名气联系起来。
But they will tell people they're Judith Grimes.
但他们会告诉人们他们是朱迪思·格莱姆斯。
Like, they definitely know that they play pretend on TV.
就像，他们肯定知道他们在电视上假装。
But they don't know it's acting.
但他们不知道这是在演戏。
They just think it's pretend.
他们只是认为这是假装。
Fame changes us, takes us further away from what we once were, which is to say innocent and pure.
名声改变了我们，让我们远离了曾经的天真和纯洁。
Famous babies don't know they're famous, so they're immune to its dangers.
出名的婴儿并不知道自己出名，因此他们不会受到其危险的影响。
When you think about it, babies are the only beings who should be famous.
想想看，婴儿是唯一应该出名的生物。
Bim Adewunmi is one of the producers of our show.
Bim Adewunmi 是我们节目的制作人之一。
Act 3, "Lina with an N." So we now turn to two girls.
第三幕，“带有 N 的莉娜”。现在我们转向两个女孩。
One of them has this big moment in her life end up on national television, and she had no choice about that.
其中一位人生中的重要时刻最终出现在国家电视台上，而她别无选择。
The other sees that moment on television, and it sticks with her for years.
另一个人在电视上看到了那个时刻，这让她印象深刻很多年。
The second girl in the story is Lina Misitzis, one of the producers of our show.
故事中的第二个女孩是莉娜·米西齐斯 (Lina Misitzis)，她是我们节目的制片人之一。
A piece of background you need to know to understand this story-- she was really into musical theater as a kid.
要理解这个故事，你需要了解一个背景——她小时候非常喜欢音乐剧。
Listened to musicals, fantasized about being in them, which is why this story stayed with her.
听音乐剧，幻想自己身处其中，这就是为什么这个故事一直萦绕在她心头。
Here she is.
她在这里。
I know when it started.
我知道什么时候开始的。
It was in Greece-- the country, not the musical.
这是在希腊——这个国家，而不是音乐剧。
I spent part of my childhood there.
我在那里度过了童年的一部分。
I was six or seven years old when I found a two-disk CD set at the bottom of some sales bin, a best of Broadway compilation from various European tours of Broadway shows, all in different languages.
当我六七岁的时候，我在某个销售箱的底部发现了一套两盘 CD，这是百老汇欧洲巡演的精选百老汇精选集，全部以不同语言编写。
I remember a German "I Am What I Am" from "La Cage aux Folles."
我记得《La Cage aux Folles》中的一首德语歌曲“I Am What I Am”。
[MUSIC - "I AM WHAT I AM'] [NON-ENGLISH SINGING]
[音乐 - “我就是我”] [非英语演唱]
I listened over and over, arms outstretched, pretending I was onstage, spotlit.
我张开双臂，一遍又一遍地听着，假装自己在聚光灯下的舞台上。
It only escalated from there.
它只是从那里升级。
Back in America, in my bedroom in Virginia, I Scotch-taped up pictures of Ethel Merman, Bernadette Peters, Bebe Neuwirth.
回到美国，在弗吉尼亚州我的卧室里，我用胶带粘上了埃塞尔·默曼、伯纳黛特·彼得斯、贝比·诺沃斯的照片。
On weekends, I checked casting calls in the Washington Post.
周末我会在《华盛顿邮报》上查看选角电话。
My mom's rule was if an audition was less than five miles away, I could try out.
我妈妈的规定是，如果试镜距离不到五英里，我就可以去尝试。
I recorded the Tonys on VHS each year, watched it over and over.
我每年都会用录像带录制托尼奖，并一遍又一遍地观看。
Same for "Sound Of Music" and "Fiddler on the Roof." But the tape I watched the most, the one that spoke to me more than any other, was this 1997 TV special.
《音乐之声》和《屋顶上的提琴手》也是如此。但我看得最多的录像带，也是最能打动我的录像带，是 1997 年的电视特别节目。
Barbara Walters hosted, and it was called "Broadway's New Annie: Search For A Star." and if the title doesn't give it away, here's the premise.
芭芭拉·沃尔特斯 (Barbara Walters) 主持，节目名称为“百老汇新安妮：寻找明星”。如果标题没有透露这一点，那么这就是前提。
The musical "Annie" was coming back to Broadway and the show's director needed to find a star.
音乐剧《安妮》即将重返百老汇，该剧的导演需要寻找一位明星。
And this was how he decided to do it, on TV.
这就是他决定在电视上这样做的方式。
Little girls, little girls, 2,000 little girls all sharing the same dream.
小女孩，小女孩，2000个小女孩都有着同一个梦想。
I was 8, the same age as those girls.
当时我8岁，和那些女孩同龄。
I could have auditioned if I'd known about it.
如果我知道的话我本来可以去试镜的。
It was a nationwide contest sponsored by the department store Macy's, and there was a Macy's less than five miles from my house.
这是一场由梅西百货公司赞助的全国性比赛，距离我家不到五英里就有一家梅西百货公司。
To watch, I dressed up like an orphan, and the closest thing I came up with was wearing my older brother's underwear.
为了观看，我打扮得像个孤儿，最接近的就是穿我哥哥的内衣。
I'd stand in front of the TV transfixed, so close my mom would yell at me that I was going to damage my eyes.
我会站在电视机前呆住，距离太近，我妈妈会对我大喊大叫，说我会伤到我的眼睛。
And the person I was watching for was this one girl named Harley who reminded me of me because she was special, perfect for the role in every way, which I figured I'd be.
我正在关注的人是一个叫哈利的女孩，她让我想起了我，因为她很特别，在各方面都很适合这个角色，我想我也会成为这个角色。
Although Harley had the advantage of also looking the part-- long red wavy hair, chubby cheeks.
尽管哈利也有长得像这个角色的优点——长长的红色波浪发，胖乎乎的脸颊。
The sort of aw, shucks grin you want to see on Annie's face.
那种你想在安妮脸上看到的笑容。
Except.
除了。
(SINGING) Tomorrow.
（唱歌）明天。
Martin Charnin I don't want you to do that.
马丁·查宁 我不想让你这么做。
You're going tomorrow, tomorrow.
你明天就去，明天。
Tomorrow!
明天！
Too!
太！
Loud!
大声！
(SINGING) Too.
（唱）也是。
(SINGING) Too.
（唱）也是。
Martin Charnin Too.
马丁·查宁也是。
Too.
也是。
Too!
太！
Too!
太！
Just sometimes, I get kind of scared, and it was really scary.
只是有时候，我会感到有点害怕，这真的很可怕。
So it kind of like came out.
所以它有点像出来了。
She's scared, which is kind of understandable.
她很害怕，这是可以理解的。
The guy she's auditioning for is Martin Charnin.
她的试镜对象是马丁·查宁。
He wrote "Annie" back in 1976.
1976年，他创作了《安妮》。
He was the show's original director.
他是该剧的原导演。
That's him you hear singing along with her.
你听到的就是他和她一起唱歌。
Martin takes Harley by the hand, and leads her away from all the other girls.
马丁拉着哈利的手，把她从所有其他女孩身边带走。
He cups her chin in his palm, and places her on the floor by his feet, and together they watch more Annie hopefuls audition.
他用手掌托住她的下巴，把她放在脚边的地板上，然后他们一起观看更多安妮的试镜。
Then I sat with the director, and then he let me watch.
然后我和导演坐在一起，然后他让我看。
Something about the little girl's face makes Martin want to see her again.
小女孩脸上的某种东西让马丁想再次见到她。
She makes the finals.
她进入了决赛。
I'm just going to think about just smile, and do your best.
我只想微笑，尽力而为。
I loved this story because Harley just needed to be noticed by the right person, just like I needed.
我喜欢这个故事，因为哈雷只需要被合适的人注意到，就像我需要的那样。
August 7, at a nondescript rehearsal hall in Midtown Manhattan, the finalists have gathered selected from 2,000 of the last auditions.
8 月 7 日，在曼哈顿中城一个不起眼的排练厅里，决赛选手们从最后一次试镜的 2000 名选手中选出。
Harley Ott, one of Martin's favorites, is back from Jersey.
哈雷·奥特，马丁的最爱之一，从泽西岛回来了。
She has another chance to sing, but again is struck with stage fright.
她还有一次唱歌的机会，但再次怯场。
(SINGING) You're always a day [INAUDIBLE].
（唱歌）你永远是一天[听不清]。
A- Lina Misitzis It doesn't go well, and still, later that day she gets a third chance.
A- Lina Misitzis 进展并不顺利，但那天晚些时候她得到了第三次机会。
Martin, who thinks she might be right for the role of an orphan, still believes he could overcome her nerves in rehearsal.
马丁认为她可能适合扮演孤儿这个角色，但他仍然相信他可以在排练中克服她的紧张情绪。
OK, so now she's out of the running for Annie.
好吧，现在她不再竞争安妮了。
But she may become an orphan on Broadway-- the kind of thing I'd have died for.
但她可能会成为百老汇的孤儿——我愿意为此而死。
As far as I was concerned, Harley had made it.
就我而言，哈雷成功了。
But then comes the moment I haven't been able to understand for more than 20 years.
但接下来的那一刻我二十多年来一直无法理解。
As a kid I found it upsetting, as an adult baffling.
当我还是个孩子的时候，我觉得它令人不安，作为一个成年人，我感到困惑。
Martin walks into the hall to grab Harley.
马丁走进大厅抓住哈利。
Is Harley here?
哈利在吗？
Barbara Walters But when he goes to find her parents.
芭芭拉·沃尔特斯 但是当他去找她的父母时。
I had them right in that chair, right here all three of them.
我让他们坐在那张椅子上，就在这里，他们三个。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Barbara Walters He finds they've left.
[插话] Barbara Walters 他发现他们已经离开了。
On screen, you see a confused Martin looking around anxiously.
在屏幕上，你看到困惑的马丁焦急地环顾四周。
He's still not done with her, still picturing her in his cast list, but she was gone.
他还没有结束与她的关系，仍然在他的演员名单中想象着她，但她已经走了。
For a moment, he stands there probably thinking exactly what I'm thinking.
有那么一会儿，他站在那里，想的可能正是我的想法。
Why the hell would you ever walk out on that?
你到底为什么要离开这个？
Harley threw away her shot, and ever since I've wondered why.
哈利放弃了她的射击，从那时起我就想知道为什么。
So I tracked her down.
于是我就追踪到了她。
She was really surprised to hear from me.
收到我的来信她真的很惊讶。
It was so long ago, she said, but she was also totally game to talk.
她说，那是很久以前的事了，但她也很爱说话。
Harley and I actually have a lot in common.
哈利和我实际上有很多共同点。
We're both from the East Coast, we're both 30 years old, born just 10 days apart.
我们都来自东海岸，都30岁了，出生时间相隔仅10天。
She remembers everything about the audition.
她记得试镜的一切。
And then I remember these, like, boards we had to walk under.
然后我记得这些，比如，我们必须从下面走过的木板。
It was like you had to be under a certain height to even go into the audition, cause you had to walk under these kids-only things.
就好像你必须低于一定的高度才能参加试镜，因为你必须走在这些儿童专用的东西下面。
They decided that orphans were a certain height?
他们决定孤儿有一定的身高吗？
I guess so.
我想是的。
I mean, I was certainly getting under that.
我的意思是，我确实对此感到不满。
So I'd probably still get under that today.
所以今天我可能仍然会陷入困境。
By the way, Harley has dwarfism.
顺便说一句，哈利患有侏儒症。
That's what she meant by that joke.
她说的那个笑话就是这个意思。
She's 4 foot 6.
她身高 4 英尺 6 英寸。
I pretty quickly got to the point.
我很快就进入正题。
Why did you walk out that day?
那天你为什么要出去？
And the answer was not what I expected at all.
而答案根本不是我所期望的。
I thought Harley was bombing because of what Barbara Walters said, because she had stage fright.
我认为哈利是因为芭芭拉·沃尔特斯所说的话而轰炸，因为她怯场。
But it wasn't nerves stopping her.
但这并没有阻止她。
That's not stage fright.
这不是怯场。
That's frustration that I can't sing.
不能唱歌是我的挫败感。
I'm not scared, I'm pissed.
我不是害怕，我是生气。
Like, I'm mad at myself in that moment.
就像，那一刻我对自己很生气。
I have no pitch, and the poor man was trying so hard to get me to sing the right note, and I just couldn't do it.
我没有音高，那个可怜的人费尽心思让我唱出正确的音符，但我就是做不到。
Start to get hot.
开始变热。
Your hands start to get clammy, your heart starts to race.
你的手开始变得湿冷，你的心跳开始加速。
All these people are now looking at me.
现在所有这些人都在看着我。
And I don't know what to do.
我不知道该怎么办。
Which of course casts her sudden disappearance in an entirely different light.
这当然让人们对她的突然失踪产生了完全不同的看法。
It was not a feeling of fear of being on stage, or fear of auditioning.
这并不是害怕登上舞台，也不是害怕试镜。
It was just an overwhelming feeling of this not being right for me.
我有一种压倒性的感觉，觉得这不适合我。
Think it was just this isn't what I want to be doing right now.
我想这只是我现在不想做的事情。
It stopped being fun, and I just looked at both of my parents and I said, I'm done.
它不再有趣了，我只是看着我的父母，我说，我完了。
I don't-- I don't want to do this anymore.
我不想——我不想再这样做了。
I'm ready to go.
我准备走了。
And there was absolutely no questioning of me on that at all.
完全没有人对我提出任何质疑。
They said, OK, let's go.
他们说，好吧，我们走吧。
Were you embarrassed leaving?
离开时你感到尴尬吗？
Did you say goodbye to people?
你跟人家说再见了吗？
Like, the way it's framed in the show is this very abrupt thing.
就像，它在节目中的框架方式是非常突然的。
But how did it feel in the moment?
但那一刻感觉如何？
What did it look like?
它看起来像什么？
The moment my parents said we could leave, I was comfortable.
当我父母说我们可以离开的那一刻，我感到很舒服。
I was like all right, guys.
我当时就觉得好吧，伙计们。
Let's get out of here.
我们离开这里吧。
Let's go get a snack.
我们去吃点小吃吧。
Why she didn't stick around that day, it wasn't an act of fear.
为什么她那天没有留下来，并不是因为害怕。
It was an act of courage.
这是一种勇敢的行为。
I feel like I've always been pretty in tune with myself.
我觉得我一直与自己很合拍。
And I know when something is not right.
我知道什么时候事情不对劲。
And I've done this with other things in my life, where I've gotten pretty far with something, and then I'm like eh, I think we're done.
我在生活中的其他事情上也做过这样的事情，当我在某些事情上取得了很大的进展时，然后我就想，呃，我想我们已经完成了。
So there's this like other little person inside of you.
所以这就像你内心的另一个小人一样。
Is that a short joke?
这是一个简短的笑话吗？
Lina Misitzis It wasn't a short joke, but when I said it, I was worried that you might think it is.
Lina Misitzis：这不是一个简短的笑话，但当我这么说时，我担心你可能会这么认为。
But it wasn't.
但事实并非如此。
So there was, I'm going to start over.
所以，我要重新开始。
So there was a voice in your head speaking to you in a language that you understand, but couldn't quite speak yet.
所以你脑子里有一个声音用一种你能理解但还不能说的语言对你说话。
100%, yes.
100%，是的。
Lina Misitzis But what you were able to interpret in the moment was?
Lina Misitzis 但你此刻能够解释的是？
This isn't right for me.
这不适合我。
Lina Misitzis And I don't feel good.
Lina Misitzis 我感觉不太好。
Yeah.
是的。
Lina Misitzis And I need to get out.
Lina Misitzis 我需要出去。
I need to leave.
我需要离开。
Lina Misitzis So at 7, Harley understood enough to know she wasn't good enough.
莉娜·米西茨 (Lina Misitzis) 所以，哈雷在 7 岁时就已经足够明白自己还不够好。
She walked away.
她走开了。
She felt fine.
她感觉很好。
Me, it took me much longer to figure it out.
我，花了更长的时间才弄清楚。
I auditioned for the 8th grade musical, and didn't get in.
我参加了八年级音乐剧的试镜，但没有被录取。
I auditioned for the 9th grade musical, didn't get in.
我参加了九年级音乐剧的试镜，没有被录取。
I auditioned for the 10th grade play, and didn't get in.
我参加了十年级戏剧的试镜，但没有被录取。
I tried transferring to Interlochen, an elite arts boarding school for teens.
我尝试转学到因特洛肯（Interlochen），一所针对青少年的精英艺术寄宿学校。
Didn't get in.
没进去。
My senior year of high school, all the kids enrolled in theater were given one song to sing in an end-of-year revue.
我高中四年级时，所有进入剧院的孩子都得到了一首歌，可以在年终滑稽表演中演唱。
The teacher gave me an easy one, a song from the musical "Hairspray." About growing up.
老师给了我一首简单的歌，一首音乐剧《发胶》中的歌曲。关于成长。
[MUSIC PLAYING] (SINGING) Once upon a time, I used to play with Kens.
[音乐播放]（唱歌）从前，我曾经和肯斯一起玩。
But now that I'm a woman, I like bigger men.
但现在我是个女人了，我喜欢大个子的男人。
When the song shifted into the high notes, I talked the lyrics instead of singing them, hoping it'd make it look intentional, like a character choice.
当歌曲进入高音时，我说歌词而不是唱歌词，希望这能让它看起来是故意的，就像一个角色选择。
Harley's a bad singer, but she's obviously got something.
哈利是个糟糕的歌手，但她显然有一些东西。
She's a good actor.
她是个好演员。
What you don't find out about her in that Barbara Walters special is that she actually went onto a pretty successful child acting career.
在芭芭拉·沃尔特斯的特别节目中，你没有发现她实际上走上了相当成功的儿童演艺生涯。
She starred in a Nick at Nite short, multiple commercials, even a Val Kilmer movie.
她主演了《Nick at Nite》短片、多部广告，甚至还主演了一部 Val Kilmer 的电影。
But me?
但我呢？
So OK, Mama.
好吧，妈妈。
Be honest, OK?
说实话，好吗？
I called my mom in Greece to ask.
我打电话给在希腊的妈妈询问。
Was I talented?
我有才华吗？
Woman You were-- you had talent.
女人 你是——你有才华。
But you know, I don't believe you were the star, the big star.
但你知道，我不相信你是明星，大明星。
You never got the leading role.
你从来没有得到过主角。
Actually, I, like, often didn't even get in at all.
事实上，我经常根本就没有进去。
And so I don't really understand why I held on to that dream for too long.
所以我真的不明白为什么我坚持这个梦想太久。
You loved it, Lina.
你喜欢它，莉娜。
You loved it.
你喜欢它。
I mean, you loved the musicals.
我的意思是，你喜欢音乐剧。
I mean, you were like an encyclopedia.
我的意思是，你就像一本百科全书。
I have a very vivid memory of you going to Borders on your tippy-toes, asking the person behind the desk for the musical "Annie Get Your Gun." And you were telling him you want the 1938.
我对你踮着脚尖去博德斯向桌子后面的人询问音乐剧《安妮拿你的枪》的情景记忆犹新。你告诉他你想要 1938 年的。
No, it wasn't '38, because in '39 Judy Garland did "Wizard Of Oz."
不，那不是 38 年，因为朱迪·加兰在 39 年出演了《绿野仙踪》。
OK.
好的。
So I had different talents.
所以我有不同的才能。
Harley says that when acting stopped being fun, she moved on.
哈利说，当表演不再有趣时，她就继续前进。
She's a teacher now in New Jersey.
她现在是新泽西州的一名教师。
And of course, I've moved on, too.
当然，我也继续前进。
Mostly.
主要是。
Almost entirely.
几乎完全。
Really, any day now.
真的，现在任何一天。
Lina Misitzis is one of the stars of our show.
Lina Misitzis 是我们节目的明星之一。
The program is produced by Diane Wu.
该节目由吴黛安制作。
The people put the show together includes Bim Adewunmi, Elna Baker, Ben Calhoun, Zoe Chase, Dana Chivvis Sean Cole, Aviva DeKornfeld, Damien Graves, Seth Lind, Lina Misitzis, Stowe Nelson, Katherine Raimondo, Ben Phelan, Nadia Raymond, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
制作该剧的人员包括 Bim Adewunmi、Elna Baker、Ben Calhoun、Zoe Chase、Dana Chivvis Sean Cole、Aviva DeKornfeld、Damien Graves、Seth Lind、Lina Misitzis、Stowe Nelson、Katherine Raimondo、Ben Phelan、Nadia Raymond、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike。
Our managing editor is David Kestenbaum.
我们的总编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
Special thanks today to Michael Margolis, Greg Collelo, Henry Molofsky, Courtney Harold, Joel Lovell, Diane Hodson, Nielsen Global Media and Lisa Morel.
今天特别感谢 Michael Margolis、Greg Collelo、Henry Molofsky、Courtney Harold、Joel Lovell、Diane Hodson、Nielsen Global Media 和 Lisa Morel。
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 600 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地观看我们的 600 多集档案。
Look at our app, and you can download as many of them as you want.
看看我们的应用程序，您可以根据需要下载任意数量的应用程序。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always for the program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢该计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he and I went to the beach last weekend.
你知道，上周末我和他去了海滩。
I did not realize he had never been to the beach.
我不知道他从来没有去过海滩。
He was shocked.
他很震惊。
He could not stop saying.
他无法停止说。
Oh, no, looks like we've got another shirtless dude.
哦，不，看来我们还有另一个光着膀子的家伙。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories on This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多关于《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。