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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass When I arrive at Margo's apartment for our interview--

序言：序言 艾拉·格拉斯 当我到达玛戈的公寓接受采访时——

Come on in.

进来吧。

Ira Glass --she opens the door holding a glass of wine.

艾拉·格拉斯——她拿着一杯酒打开门。

Hi.

你好。

Oh, I need to have a glass of wine while I talk about my family.

哦，我需要一边喝杯酒一边谈论我的家人。

This is not totally a joke.

这不完全是一个笑话。

She's got 11 brothers and sisters, and yes, Catholics, old school, Irish mom, Italian immigrant dad.

她有 11 个兄弟姐妹，是的，还有天主教徒、守旧派、爱尔兰妈妈、意大利移民爸爸。

And the kids do not all get along.

而且孩子们并不都相处得很好。

How many of your siblings do not speak with?

你有多少兄弟姐妹不说话？

I don't speak to-- Eddie, Victor, Mary Jo, Marina, Nancy-- five.

我不和——埃迪、维克多、玛丽·乔、玛丽娜、南希——五个人说话。

Because I had to think.

因为我必须思考。

Ira Glass We sit down on the couch together.

艾拉·格拉斯 我们一起坐在沙发上。

The living room is decked out for a Game of Thrones viewing party.

客厅装饰得适合举办《权力的游戏》观看派对。

And I mean, like seriously decked out, like 15 plastic swords stuck into the back of an older rattan chair to make a fake iron throne, a miniature weirwood tree.

我的意思是，就像认真地装饰一下，就像把 15 把塑料剑插在一把旧藤椅的后面，制成一个假铁王座，一棵微型鱼梁木树。

I have no idea where you get something like that.

我不知道你从哪里得到这样的东西。

It's totally distracting.

这完全让人分心。

On the coffee table in front of us, she's gathered stuff for the interview.

在我们面前的咖啡桌上，她正在收集采访所需的东西。

There's a glass of white wine.

有一杯白葡萄酒。

What kind of wine?

什么样的酒？

Sauvignon Blanc.

长相思。

Ira Glass And there's a book.

Ira Glass：还有一本书。

And there's a list.

还有一个清单。

What is the list?

清单是什么？

This is the order of the items of the things, in the order that I would like them from my parents' estate.

这是物品的顺序，按照我从父母的遗产中想要它们的顺序。

Her parents' estate, that's what I'm here to talk to her about.

她父母的遗产，这就是我来这里和她谈论的事情。

When her parents died, her dad, in 2006, her mom, two years ago, they didn't specify in their wills which child would get which items.

当她的父母去世时，她的父亲在2006年去世，她的母亲在两年前去世，他们在遗嘱中没有具体说明哪个孩子将得到哪些物品。

No, no, no-- they left all that to the kids, saying simply, everyone should get an equal amount.

不，不，不——他们把所有这些都留给了孩子们，简单地说，每个人都应该得到同等的金额。

Sibling number eight in the birth order, Joe, a lawyer, the sunny one in the family, was the sibling left with the truly thankless task of dividing the stuff.

乔是兄弟姐妹中排行第八的人，他是一名律师，是家里最阳光的一个，但他却承担着分配财产的真正吃力不讨好的任务。

Their parents were these imposing, brilliant people, who they still talk about in this worshipful way.

他们的父母都是威风凛凛、才华横溢的人，他们至今仍然以这种崇拜的方式谈论他们。

What they have left to them is just these things, right?

他们留给他们的，就只有这些东西吧？

And this mandate-- to get along well enough one last time to split it up amongst themselves.

还有这个任务——最后一次相处得足够好，以便将其分开。

And they don't want to screw it up.

他们不想把事情搞砸。

They want to honor their parents' last request.

他们想满足父母最后的要求。

But they know it's going to be tough for them, given how they are sometimes with each other.

但考虑到他们有时彼此相处的方式，他们知道这对他们来说会很艰难。

So they invented a process that is so elaborate, honestly, I found it kind of shocking, impressive but extreme.

所以他们发明了一个如此复杂的过程，老实说，我发现它有点令人震惊、令人印象深刻但极端。

It includes the book, the one on the coffee table that Joe had created.

它包括乔在咖啡桌上创作的那本书。

It's thick and spiral bound, with photos of all 196 items of the parents that are up for grabs.

它很厚，采用螺旋装订，上面有父母所有 196 件物品的照片，可供争夺。

Each item gets a number.

每个项目都有一个编号。

He's given a lot of thought to it.

他对此考虑了很多。

And there's four pages of rules and regulations of what you have to do.

还有四页的规则和规定，规定了你必须做什么。

Actually, it's five pages of rules, single spaced, 23 rules.

实际上，它有 5 页规则，单倍行距，23 条规则。

Here's number 10.

这是 10 号。

Number 10, the estate is not recognizing any alleged oral promises by mommy or daddy to give certain items to certain distributees.

第 10 点，遗产管理机构不承认任何所谓的妈妈或爸爸口头承诺将某些物品赠送给某些受赠者。

Thus, all such items are available to be selected.

因此，所有此类项目都可供选择。

Hard, documented proof is required to show that intent and to exclude an item from the selection process.

需要有确凿的、有记录的证据来表明这一意图并将某个项目排除在选择过程之外。

Thus far--

到目前为止——

Notice how every I is being dotted here.

注意这里每个“我”是如何被点缀的。

Hard not to wonder what mommy and daddy would think of it.

很难不知道妈妈和爸爸会怎么想。

The kids so suspicious of each other that all this would be necessary.

孩子们互相猜疑，这一切都是必要的。

The mom's engagement ring, for example.

例如，妈妈的订婚戒指。

To prove to anybody who might doubt that this is actually her ring, the one that she wore when they were little kids, and her whole life, until the viewing at her funeral, there's a photo they took of the ring being handed from the funeral director over to one of the brothers, who then took it to a jeweler, who certified that it is, in fact, the original diamond.

为了向任何可能怀疑这枚戒指的人证明这确实是她的戒指，她小时候佩戴的戒指，以及她一生佩戴的戒指，直到在她的葬礼上观看为止，他们拍摄了一张戒指从葬礼承办人手中移交给其中一个兄弟的照片，然后兄弟将其带到了一位珠宝商处，珠宝商证明这实际上是原始钻石。

But the siblings that I talked to agreed all this is necessary, because there are definite camps among the siblings.

但与我交谈的兄弟姐妹都同意这一切都是必要的，因为兄弟姐妹之间有明确的阵营。

Depending on the issue, they break down into two general teams.

根据问题的不同，他们分为两个一般团队。

Do the two sides have a name that we should be using?

两侧有我们应该使用的名称吗？

No. Ira Glass OK, how should we refer to them?

不。Ira Glass 好的，我们应该如何称呼他们呢？

Oh, we can refer to them as the Rockaway crew versus the non Rockaway crew.

哦，我们可以将他们称为“洛克威船员”与“非洛克威船员”。

Because they're the people who basically stayed in the neighborhood, and the people who didn't.

因为他们基本上是住在附近的人，以及不住在附近的人。

Exactly.

确切地。

Ira Glass Rockaway, by the way, is a neighborhood on the water in Queens, New York.

顺便说一句，艾拉格拉斯洛克威是纽约皇后区的一个水上社区。

Margo is a non Rockaway.

玛戈不是洛克威人。

And in describing other non Rockaways, she says things like--

在描述其他非洛克威人时，她这样说——

But it's hard for Margo to even list the Rockaways without insulting them by the time she gets to the second person on the list.

但当玛戈列出名单上的第二个人时，她很难在不侮辱他们的情况下列出洛克威一家。

One of my brothers is an architect, and he lives in Rockaway.

我的一个兄弟是一名建筑师，他住在洛克威。

And another one is a lawyer-- eh, lawyer, after a few times at the bar.

另一位是律师——呃，律师，在酒吧呆过几次之后。

He--

他——

Margo and that brother have particularly bitter grudges against each other.

玛戈和那个兄弟的恩怨尤其深重。

But I will say, I have never done an interview with somebody who drops her voice so often and so happily in the middle of stories to gossip on the record about their family.

但我要说的是，我从来没有采访过一个在故事中间如此频繁、如此快乐地低声谈论他们家庭八卦的人。

It made her really fun to talk to.

和她交谈真的很有趣。

Margo explained that when they were kids, she and her siblings had normal rivalries that you would expect in any family that big.

玛戈解释说，当他们还是孩子的时候，她和她的兄弟姐妹之间有正常的竞争，这是在任何一个大家庭中都会发生的。

But then when their parents got old, adult disputes and adult resentments came up between them.

但后来父母老了，他们之间就出现了大人的争执和大人的怨恨。

Like for instance, who would get the house in Italy, where their dad was born.

例如，谁会得到他们父亲出生地意大利的房子。

It went to Mary Anne, the oldest kid, who'd fixed it up.

它交给了最大的孩子玛丽·安妮，她把它修好了。

Or whether Mary Ellen, the next to youngest, who for a while was responsible for their mom's care, was doing right by her.

或者，玛丽·艾伦（Mary Ellen），排在第二小的孩子，曾一度负责照顾母亲，她是否对她做得对。

Sibling number five, Victor, thought he should be the one in charge of her care.

五号兄弟维克多认为他应该负责照顾她。

Some of the Rockaways agreed, non Rockaways did not.

一些洛克威人同意，但非洛克威人则不同意。

And Victor stopped talking to a bunch of them, like permanently.

维克多不再和他们中的一群人说话，就像永远一样。

Here's Victor.

这是维克多。

Let's just say that I was disappointed in some of them, because I knew what was best for my mom.

只能说我对其中一些感到失望，因为我知道什么对我妈妈来说是最好的。

I visit my mother every day of my life, unless I was out of town.

除非我不在城里，否则我每天都会去看望我的母亲。

And after my father passed, I visit my mother twice a day.

父亲去世后，我每天去看望母亲两次。

OK?

好的？

And I bought my home one block from her house.

我买了离她家仅一个街区的房子。

So they had a choice.

所以他们有一个选择。

I thought they should have backed me.

我认为他们应该支持我。

The bad feeling between the two sides bubbled over, even on the one day you'd think they'd put it to rest-- the day their mom died.

双方之间的不愉快情绪不断蔓延，甚至在你以为他们会平息的那一天——他们母亲去世的那一天。

Joe, the one who adjudicates between the non Rockaways and the Rockaways, was stuck in California, where he lives, that day.

乔是在非洛克威家族和洛克威家族之间做出裁决的人，那天他被困在他所居住的加利福尼亚州。

On the day my mother died, April 8, 2017, I was trying a case in San Diego.

2017 年 4 月 8 日，我母亲去世的那天，我正在圣地亚哥审理一个案件。

And I got the phone call from the nursing home, saying, excuse me, we have to hold your mother's body, because there are two funeral directors that have come to pick up the body.

我接到疗养院的电话，说，对不起，我们必须抱住你母亲的尸体，因为有两个殡葬承办人来接尸体。

What happened is a few of the Rockaways had arranged for a funeral in Rockaway.

发生的事情是洛克威家族的一些人在洛克威安排了葬礼。

And one of the non Rockaways had arranged a funeral at their mom's parish, out on Long Island.

其中一位非洛克威人在他们母亲位于长岛的教区安排了一场葬礼。

So that was my-- I spent three hours brokering a deal to have the funeral in Rockaway.

这就是我的——我花了三个小时促成了在洛克威举行葬礼的协议。

When it came time to start dividing their parents things, Victor, a Rockaway, suggested Joe, officially a non Rockaway, that they do it using a lottery system.

当开始分配父母的财产时，洛克威人维克多建议正式非洛克威人的乔，他们使用彩票系统来分配。

That's how their mother, who was also an attorney, by the way, divided her mother's estate among her many siblings.

顺便说一句，他们的母亲（也是一名律师）就是这样将母亲的遗产分给她的许多兄弟姐妹的。

The way the thing works is, basically everybody looks inside the book that Joe made up and writes down the items they want in the order that they want them and then sends their list to Joe.

事情的运作方式是，基本上每个人都会查看乔编的书，并按照他们想要的顺序写下他们想要的物品，然后将他们的清单发送给乔。

And then to figure out which sibling gets to pick first, and which picks second, and which picks third, and so on, Joe had to come up with a system.

然后为了弄清楚哪个兄弟姐妹可以先选，哪个选第二，哪个选第三，依此类推，乔必须想出一个系统。

And so, my brother Victor called me, and we discussed it.

于是，我的兄弟维克多打电话给我，我们讨论了这件事。

And he said, how are you going to decide who gets to go first?

他说，你如何决定谁先走？

I said, I have a nice cute little five-year-old boy who lives next door to me.

我说，我家隔壁住着一个五岁的小男孩，很可爱。

I think I'm going to have him pick out of 12 ping-pong balls, like the New York State Lottery.

我想我会让他从 12 个乒乓球中挑选，就像纽约州彩票一样。

Like one number and each ping pong ball for each of the 12 siblings.

就像 12 个兄弟姐妹各有一个号码和每个乒乓球。

He said, oh, no, I wouldn't do that, if I were you.

他说，哦，不，如果我是你，我就不会那样做。

I said, what?

我说，什么？

Who can find something wrong with that?

谁能发现其中有什么问题呢？

I'll videotape it, I said, it'll be all hilarious.

我会录下来，我说，这会很搞笑。

He says, no, people might be suspicious that you rigged it.

他说，不，人们可能会怀疑你操纵了它。

It could have been the second video.

这可能是第二个视频。

The first video would have been no good, could have been thrown out.

第一个视频本来就不好，可能会被扔掉。

My brothers and sisters are quite bright.

我的兄弟姐妹们都很聪明。

And they'll-- they'll easily detect the possible loophole in something.

他们会——他们会很容易地发现某些东西中可能存在的漏洞。

I said, what do you want me to do?

我说，你要我做什么？

Get Pricewaterhouse, like they do the Academy Awards?

像奥斯卡金像奖一样获得普华永道吗？

He said, that would be a great idea.

他说，这将是个好主意。

So I literally got an accounting firm here in Orange County.

所以我确实在奥兰治县找到了一家会计师事务所。

And I called them, and I said, can you give me a list on your letterhead with the numbers 1 through 12 in random order.

我打电话给他们，我说，你能给我一份印有信笺抬头的清单，其中数字 1 到 12 是随机排列的。

It was from the accounting firm that put their brother, Eddie, first.

会计师事务所把他们的兄弟埃迪放在第一位。

So he picks first, in the first round.

所以他在第一轮中先选。

And in the second round, it goes reverse order, and he picks last.

在第二轮中，顺序相反，他最后选。

Then third around, he's first again.

然后第三轮，他再次获得第一。

Then the next round, last.

然后是下一轮，最后一轮。

Like a fantasy football snake draft, over and over, until all 196 items are gone.

就像梦幻足球蛇选秀一样，一遍又一遍，直到所有 196 件物品都消失了。

If you get one of the most coveted items, their mom's silver, her engagement ring, you have to sit out a few rounds after that.

如果你得到了最令人垂涎​​的物品之一，他们妈妈的银器，她的订婚戒指，那么你必须在那之后等待几轮。

Another popular item is a pen that John F Kennedy used to sign a bill, which they have because their dad, Edward Ray, was in the Kennedy administration at the State Department.

另一个受欢迎的物品是约翰·F·肯尼迪用来签署法案的钢笔，他们拥有这支笔是因为他们的父亲爱德华·雷曾在国务院肯尼迪政府任职。

He was friends with the Kennedys.

他是肯尼迪家族的朋友。

And later a Chief Judge at the US Court of International Trade.

后来担任美国国际贸易法院首席法官。

So the book has a certain amount of historical memorabilia, including a photo of the whole family with President Johnson, and 11-year-old Margo shaking his hand.

所以这本书有一定的历史纪念品，包括全家与约翰逊总统的合影，以及11岁的玛戈与他握手的照片。

There are only 196 items in the book, because lots of stuff was lost when Hurricane Sandy tore through their parents' house years ago.

书中只有 196 个项目，因为几年前桑迪飓风摧毁了他们父母的房子，很多东西都丢失了。

After the storm, Margo says, lots of items simply seemed to vanish, mysteriously.

玛戈说，风暴过后，许多物品似乎神秘地消失了。

Don't get her started on who she thinks might have taken those items.

不要让她开始猜测谁可能拿走了这些物品。

Or, on the siblings who say that their mother and father gave them one of the items years ago, when they were alive.

或者，关于那些说他们的父母几年前在他们还活着的时候给了他们一件物品的兄弟姐妹。

People would visit my mommy and leave with items.

人们会拜访我的妈妈并带着物品离开。

I'm like, oh, what happened to that painting that was here.

我想，哦，这里的那幅画发生了什么事。

Oh, mommy gave it to you.

哦，妈妈给你的。

Mm, mommy's 90, she gave that to you?

嗯，妈妈90岁了，她给你的？

So then things would gradually disappear from the home.

这样一来，家里的东西就会逐渐消失。

OK, I don't really want it.

好吧，我真的不想要它。

It's just like, what, are you kidding me?

就像，什么，你在开玩笑吗？

It just feels unfair.

只是感觉不公平。

Margo It just feels unfair.

玛戈 感觉不公平。

The lottery was scheduled for Monday, April 15, last week.

抽签原定于上周 4 月 15 日星期一进行。

I was interviewing Margo just a couple days before it would happen.

就在事情发生的前几天，我正在采访玛戈。

She'd already made her list of what she wanted, ranked in order.

她已经列出了她想要的东西，并按顺序排列。

OK, so read your list.

好的，请阅读您的清单。

Margo This is not going to air till after April 15, right?

玛戈 这个要到 4 月 15 日之后才会播出，对吧？

She was scared that a sibling would hear what she wanted and pick it for themselves just to spite her.

她害怕兄弟姐妹会听到她想要的东西并自己挑选，只是为了惹恼她。

One of the items she was nervous somebody else might get was this turkey platter she had her eye on.

她担心别人可能会得到的东西之一就是她看中的火鸡拼盘。

Her family used it every Thanksgiving when they were kids.

当他们还是孩子的时候，她的家人每年感恩节都会用它。

There's a cartoonish painting of a turkey on it, colorful, kind of kitschy.

上面有一幅火鸡的卡通画，色彩缤纷，有点俗气。

There's a big, ugly ceramic turkey platter that we love.

有一个我们喜欢的又大又丑的陶瓷火鸡拼盘。

There's a little story to go with it, that may or may not be true, that it was bought at a garage sale from the Robert Kennedy's family, when they were moving.

有一个小故事与之相伴，可能是真的，也可能不是，它是罗伯特·肯尼迪一家搬家时在旧货拍卖会上从他们那里买来的。

And that they sold it, and my mother bought it.

他们卖掉了它，我妈妈买了它。

Wait, so in this story, Bobby Kennedy, the attorney general of the United States, a millionaire, has got to move from one place to another.

等等，在这个故事中，美国司法部长、百万富翁鲍比·肯尼迪必须从一个地方搬到另一个地方。

And he's thinking, what am I going to do-- I don't want to move all this stuff, I'm going to have a garage sale?

他在想，我该怎么办——我不想搬所有这些东西，我要去举办车库拍卖会？

And like people from the neighborhood are going to show up at Bobby Kennedy's house just to pick up random stuff from his family?

就像邻居们会出现在鲍比·肯尼迪家里只是为了从他的家人那里拿一些随机的东西一样？

It is my story.

这是我的故事。

And I think it's true, but I can't swear to it.

我认为这是真的，但我不能发誓。

But it's my story.

但这是我的故事。

And don't you dare let me find out it's not true.

你别让我发现这不是真的。

This totally improbable story is backed up by both Victor, a Rockaway, and Joe, a non Rockaway.

这个完全不可能的故事得到了洛克威人维克多和非洛克威人乔的支持。

I'm confident where it came from.

我很自信它是从哪里来的。

It came from the estate of Robert F Kennedy after Kennedy was assassinated.

它来自肯尼迪遇刺后罗伯特·F·肯尼迪的遗产。

That turkey platter was Ethel Kennedy's.

那个火鸡拼盘是埃塞尔·肯尼迪的。

And that's how my parents got that turkey platter.

这就是我父母得到火鸡拼盘的方式。

My parents were good friends with the Kennedys.

我的父母和肯尼迪家族是好朋友。

You could call it a garage sale, but that's, to me-- I can't say it's wrong.

你可以称其为旧货拍卖，但对我来说，我不能说这是错误的。

But the garage of the Kennedy's is probably better than most.

但肯尼迪家族的车库可能比大多数车库都要好。

I think it was somebody in the Kennedy family was selling some items.

我认为是肯尼迪家族的某个人在出售一些物品。

And I assumed the money was going to go to a charity.

我以为这笔钱会捐给慈善机构。

OK?

好的？

I'm sure that the Kennedy family did not need the proceeds of a platter.

我确信肯尼迪家族不需要大盘收益。

It took me a while talking to Margo to understand why this process of dividing their parents things has been so emotionally charged for everybody.

我花了一段时间与玛戈交谈，才明白为什么这个分割父母财产的过程让每个人都如此情绪化。

A lot of this is just whose mommy's favorite and daddy's favorite, despite the fact that you're in your 60s.

尽管你已经 60 多岁了，但其中很多只是妈妈的最爱和爸爸的最爱。

My parents always had favorites.

我的父母总是有最喜欢的。

So everyone was always a little bit jealous of everyone else.

所以每个人总是有点嫉妒其他人。

Joe agreed with that.

乔对此表示同意。

Joe We'd talk about this all the time, who's number one.

乔：我们一直在谈论这个问题，谁是第一。

There's no doubt who number one was.

毫无疑问谁是第一。

My sister Mary Anne was number one.

我的妹妹玛丽·安妮排名第一。

And a lot of this just dealt with trying to get my parents attention, affection, and love.

其中很多只是为了获得父母的关注、感情和爱。

Because my parents had so little time to give to each one of us.

因为我的父母留给我们每个人的时间太少了。

Everybody was fighting for my parents' attention.

每个人都在争夺我父母的注意力。

I don't feel I knew my father very well, until I went to law school.

在我上法学院之前，我觉得我不太了解我的父亲。

Then, all of a sudden, he took great interest in me.

然后，突然间，他对我产生了极大的兴趣。

But where was he the first 22 years of my life?

但我生命的前22年他在哪里呢？

All of a sudden, I became important.

突然之间，我变得很重要。

Before that, I was just one of the runts in the family.

在此之前，我只是家里的小人物之一。

One of the things Joe did, back when he was little, to be more than just one of the runts, was he memorized all kinds of information about American presidents to impress his dad and his dad's fancy friends.

乔小时候所做的一件事，不仅仅是为了成为一个矮子，他记住了有关美国总统的各种信息，以给他的父亲和他父亲的好朋友留下深刻的印象。

Yeah, my father would bring me out to dinner parties.

是的，我父亲会带我出去参加晚宴。

And I'd get all this attention from reciting the presidents, and when they were born, and when they died, and who was Secretary of State, who their vice president was.

我会通过背诵总统的名字、他们出生的时间、去世的时间、谁是国务卿、谁是他们的副总统来吸引所有的注意力。

So my other siblings started memorizing it.

于是我的其他兄弟姐妹开始背诵它。

It was all driven by the same thing.

这一切都是由同一件事驱动的。

And that is, oh, look how he got attention, look how he got affection, why can't I do the same thing?

那就是，哦，看看他如何获得关注，看看他如何获得感情，为什么我不能做同样的事情？

And so, to this day, I can rattle off the presidents' names.

所以，直到今天，我都能念出历任总统的名字。

I learned that as a five, six-year-old from--

我在五六岁的时候就知道了——

OK, wait-- bring it, let's hear the presidents.

好吧，等等——拿过来，让我们听听总统们的声音。

Oh, you mean, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Quincy Adams, Jackson, Van Buren, Harrison, Tyler, Polk, Taylor, Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, Lincoln, Johnson, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Cleveland, like that?

哦，你是说华盛顿、亚当斯、杰斐逊、麦迪逊、门罗、昆西·亚当斯、杰克逊、范布伦、哈里森、泰勒、波尔克、泰勒、菲尔莫尔、皮尔斯、布坎南、林肯、约翰逊、格兰特、海耶斯、加菲猫、亚瑟、克利夫兰，诸如此类？

Yeah, like that.

是的，就像那样。

Joe And we used to time it on who could do it the fastest.

乔 我们过去常常根据谁能跑得最快来计时。

But my father was very competitive.

但我父亲很有竞争力。

So he has to take some responsibility.

所以他必须承担一些责任。

He was always number one in his class.

他在班上一直是第一名。

He spoke five languages.

他会说五种语言。

He played seven instruments.

他演奏七种乐器。

He was a student a Buddy Rich's.

他是巴迪·里奇学校的学生。

He was just a Renaissance man.

他只是一个文艺复兴时期的人。

He was Assistant Secretary of State.

他曾任助理国务卿。

So to measure up to an imposing parent like that, you're always going to feel inadequate.

因此，要配得上这样一位威风凛凛的父母，你总是会觉得自己不够格。

That's what my brothers and sisters have to take with them.

这就是我的兄弟姐妹必须带走的东西。

Wow, what a harsh legacy to give your kids.

哇，给你的孩子留下的遗产是多么残酷啊。

In a way, it's like something nobody would wish on their children, that kind of legacy.

在某种程度上，这就像没有人会希望自己的孩子继承这样的遗产。

Yeah, life's a bitch, isn't it?

是啊，生活就是个婊子，不是吗？

It's a-- that's the way it goes when you have great parents.

当你有伟大的父母时，事情就是这样。

People-- you often see families fall apart when the parents were great people.

人们——当父母是伟大的人时，你经常会看到家庭破裂。

When the parents are gone, there's all kinds of unforeseen stuff they leave us with, stuff they never intended.

当父母去世时，他们会给我们留下各种意想不到的东西，一些他们从未打算的东西。

The objects, and the money, and the property they leave behind, in a way it's so straightforward, compared to that other stuff.

与其他东西相比，他们留下的物品、金钱和财产在某种程度上是如此简单。

There comes a day, it's divided, and then it's over, which by the way, did happen for this family.

总有一天，一切都会分裂，然后就结束了，顺便说一句，这确实发生在这个家庭身上。

They had the lottery, a day early, on April 14, last Sunday.

他们提前一天，即 4 月 14 日，也就是上周日，进行了抽签。

Margo did get the turkey platter she wanted.

玛戈确实得到了她想要的火鸡拼盘。

Victor got the judge's robe that his dad used to wear, that he wanted.

维克多得到了他想要的他父亲曾经穿过的法官袍。

Joe got JFK's pen.

乔拿到了肯尼迪的笔。

By all reports, everybody was pretty happy with what they got.

根据所有报道，每个人都对他们所得到的感到非常满意。

And very soon, after the property is actually handed out to each sibling, in a way, it's like the official end of them as a family.

很快，在财产实际分配给每个兄弟姐妹之后，在某种程度上，这就像他们作为一个家庭的正式结束。

Margo, anyway, says that she sees no reason why she would ever have contact with like five of them, ever again.

不管怎样，玛戈说她认为自己没有理由再与他们中的五个人接触。

The others, though, I have to say, she's super close with, maybe closer after all this.

不过，我不得不说，她与其他人非常亲密，也许在经历了这一切之后更亲密。

Ready for the next phase, whatever that is.

为下一阶段做好准备，无论是什么。

I think it'll be really good, we just-- go on with your life.

我认为这真的很好，我们只是——继续你的生活。

Enjoy your life and get over it, including myself, I say that too, OK.

享受你的生活并克服它，包括我自己，我也这么说，好吧。

Well, today on our program, people leave us, and we'll have to scramble and figure out what to do next.

好吧，今天在我们的节目中，人们离开了我们，我们将不得不争先恐后地弄清楚下一步该做什么。

We have stories of an entire town up and leaving, except for four guys.

我们有关于整个城镇的离开和离开的故事，除了四个人。

And another town, where kids got home one day from school to find that their parents were gone.

还有另一个小镇，孩子们有一天放学回家，发现父母不见了。

And what do they do now?

他们现在做什么？

From WBEZ Chicago, this is American Life.

来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act One: The Sudden Departure Ira Glass Act One, The Sudden Departure.

第一幕：突然的离开 艾拉·格拉斯 第一幕，突然的离开。

When we started putting this show together, we talked a lot about the rapture.

当我们开始制作这个节目时，我们谈论了很多关于狂喜的事情。

You know, when the righteous get lifted to heaven, just a small number of them, leaving the rest of us behind.

你知道，当义人被提升到天堂时，只有少数人，而把我们其他人抛在后面。

And I say us, because I know exactly where I end up in that story.

我说我们，因为我清楚地知道我在这个故事中的结局。

Maybe you've seen the TV show about this kind of thing, The Leftovers.

也许你看过有关此类事情的电视节目《守望尘世》。

Anyway, one of our producers, Lilly Sullivan, she visited a town, where all in one morning, hundreds of people learned that their loved ones are gone and they were left behind.

不管怎样，我们的制片人之一莉莉·沙利文（Lilly Sullivan）访问了一个小镇，一天早上，数百人得知他们的亲人已经去世，他们被抛在了后面。

Anna heard when she was at school.

安娜在学校时听到的。

She was a junior, eating lunch by the football field.

她还是一名三年级学生，在足球场边吃午餐。

And one of my teachers, she came up towards me, and said someone needed me at the office.

我的一位老师走到我面前，说办公室有人需要我。

So, I just got off the bleachers and walked to the office.

于是，我就下了看台，走向办公室。

I didn't think too much of it.

我并没有想太多。

When she got there, her mom and her aunt were waiting for her.

当她到达那里时，她的妈妈和姨妈正在等她。

And my mom just came up to me and hugged me.

我妈妈走到我身边拥抱了我。

And she looked at me, and she's like, it's OK, we'll get him out.

她看着我，然后说，没关系，我们会把他救出来的。

I still didn't understand.

我还是不明白。

Not far away, when school ended, 13-year-old Adrian had a feeling that something was going on, because his dad was not acting normal at all when he picked up him and his little sisters, Gabriella and Eva.

不远处，放学时，13 岁的阿德里安 (Adrian) 感觉有什么事情发生了，因为他的父亲接他和他的妹妹加布里埃拉 (Gabriella) 和伊娃 (Eva) 时表现得很不正常。

Like, I was sitting in front of the car.

就像，我坐在车前。

He was kind of upset, or something like he usually says to us, like, oh, how was your day.

他有点沮丧，或者就像他通常对我们说的那样，比如，哦，你今天过得怎么样。

This is Gabriella.

这是加布里埃拉。

Gabriella I remember asking, can I use the computer when I get home.

加布里埃拉 我记得问过，我回家后可以使用电脑吗？

He said no. And then I asked him, can we go outside.

他说不。然后我问他，我们可以出去吗？

And he said no. Like, I saw in the mirror, like if he was in a different world, not here.

他说不。就像，我在镜子里看到的，好像他在另一个世界，而不是在这里。

And me and my sister were like, what's going on dad?

我和姐姐就想，爸爸怎么了？

And he-- then, he was like, I'm going to tell you when we get home.

然后他说，我们回家后我会告诉你。

So, then we got home.

所以，然后我们就回家了。

He said to sit down on the couch.

他说，坐到沙发上。

And he started to tell us that they got my mom.

他开始告诉我们他们抓到了我妈妈。

He was like, the immigration got your mom.

他说，移民抓走了你的妈妈。

Then all of us, like, just started to cry.

然后我们所有人都开始哭泣。

Sort of.

有点像。

Ira Glass What happened was that immigration had done a workplace raid, the kind where ICE swoops into a factory or business and arrests hundreds or dozens of undocumented workers-- big, workplace raids, where hundreds get arrested all at once.

艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 发生的情况是，移民局进行了一次工作场所突击搜查，即 ICE 突然闯入一家工厂或企业，逮捕数百名或数十名无证工人的大规模工作场所突击搜查，数百人同时被捕。

The US hadn't done them for a decade.

美国已经有十年没有这样做了。

But then the Trump administration brought them back.

但后来特朗普政府把他们带回来了。

ICE says that when they do these operations, the employer is the primary target, the boss.

ICE表示，当他们进行这些操作时，雇主是首要目标，即老板。

When they find undocumented workers at a work site, they don't turn a blind eye.

当他们在工作地点发现无证工人时，他们不会视而不见。

And since they know ahead of time that workers will probably be there, they often bring buses.

由于他们提前知道工人可能会在那里，所以他们经常乘坐公共汽车。

So anyway, my co-worker Lilly Sullivan, she was interested in these big raids, because she'd heard that when one of them happens, it ripples through the whole community.

所以无论如何，我的同事莉莉·沙利文（Lilly Sullivan）对这些大型袭击很感兴趣，因为她听说当其中一次袭击发生时，它会波及整个社区。

It doesn't just affect the families that lose somebody, but everybody else in town as well.

这不仅影响到失去亲人的家庭，还影响到镇上的其他人。

And the place she visited was the very first place that the Trump administration hit with one of these raids, Morristown, Tennessee.

她访问的地方是特朗普政府发动袭击的第一个地方，田纳西州莫里斯敦。

That raid happened a year ago this month.

那次袭击发生在一年前的这个月。

She put together this story about, first, the families impacted by the raid, and then everybody else in town.

她整理了这个故事，首先是受袭击影响的家庭，然后是镇上的其他人。

We've changed all the kids' names in this story, here on the radio.

我们在广播中更改了这个故事中所有孩子的名字。

Here's Lilly.

这是莉莉。

ICE picked up 97 undocumented workers that day, almost everyone working at a slaughterhouse outside of town.

ICE 当天逮捕了 97 名无证工人，几乎所有人都在城外的屠宰场工作。

People told me it was like a bomb had gone off.

人们告诉我，这就像一颗炸弹爆炸了。

Helicopters were circling the town.

直升机正在城镇上空盘旋。

A big public road was blocked off.

一条大公路被封锁。

Officers in uniforms they didn't recognize directing traffic.

穿着他们不认识的制服的警察正在指挥交通。

Factory parking lots all over town that were usually full emptied out, as workers scared of ICE fled home for the day.

镇上各地的工厂停车场通常都空无一人，因为害怕 ICE 的工人们当天都逃回家了。

One family I talked to a lot about the days that followed, I'll call them the Garcias.

我和一个家庭谈论了很多关于接下来的日子的事情，我称他们为加西亚一家。

Their dad had been picked up the morning of the raid, while the kids were at school, doing school stuff.

突袭当天早上，他们的父亲被接走，当时孩子们正在学校做功课。

Manny was in the sixth grade and rode the bus home with his friends.

曼尼上六年级，和朋友们一起乘公共汽车回家。

They were talking about math homework and gossiping.

他们正在谈论数学作业并闲聊。

That's his word.

这是他的话。

He was surprised to see his mom's car in the driveway when the bus pulled up.

当公共汽车停下来时，他惊讶地看到他妈妈的车停在车道上。

He usually gets home before her.

他通常比她先到家。

So, I was like, OK, mom, mom.

所以，我就想，好吧，妈妈，妈妈。

Mom was home.

妈妈在家。

But the door was locked.

但门是锁着的。

I was like, ma, ma-ma.

我当时想，妈妈，妈妈。

And I didn't hear anything.

我什么也没听到。

So I'd start knocking, and I say my little brother's name, and open up.

所以我开始敲门，说出我弟弟的名字，然后开门。

Yeah.

是的。

He never locks it, unless he's like scared or he's doing something.

他从不锁门，除非他害怕或者正在做某事。

Manny figured his little brother, Eric, was making videos and had locked the door so nobody would walk in on him.

曼尼认为他的弟弟埃里克正在制作视频，所以锁上了门，这样就没有人会走进他的门了。

Cause like, he records videos of himself, like making some slime.

因为他会录制自己的视频，比如制作粘液。

Videos of making slime?

制作史莱姆的视频？

Manny Yeah.

曼尼 是的。

This really, ooey, gooey liquid that he could play with, he did that all the time.

这真的是他可以玩的、噢、粘糊糊的液体，他一直这样做。

Eric finally let him in.

埃里克终于让他进来了。

Manny And he just immediately told me, hey, our dad is gone.

曼尼 他立即告诉我，嘿，我们的爸爸走了。

They took our dad.

他们带走了我们的父亲。

I felt my stomach, it was-- felt like I was going to vomit.

我摸了摸我的胃，感觉我要吐了。

Eric, who's nine, had gotten home right before Manny.

九岁的埃里克比曼尼先到家。

Their mom was home and she told them right away.

他们的妈妈在家，她立即告诉了他们。

And then my mom said that they got your dad, migration.

然后我妈妈说他们找到了你爸爸，移民。

And I was just like-- I said, what's that?

我就像——我说，那是什么？

What does that mean?

这意味着什么？

Their mom had locked herself in the house.

他们的妈妈把自己反锁在屋子里。

She'd been sitting inside, curtains drawn, lights off, hiding quietly since morning.

从早上起，她就坐在里面，拉上窗帘，关掉灯，静静地躲起来。

They sat with her on the couch, making no noise.

他们和她一起坐在沙发上，没有发出任何声音。

She'd been watching Facebook Live updates all day, people posting about their families.

她一整天都在观看 Facebook Live 更新，人们发布有关他们家庭的信息。

She knew that a lot of people had gone to where the arrested people were being held, in a big armory outside of town.

她知道很多人都去了关押被捕者的地方，在城外的一个大军械库里。

All day, their mom had been too afraid to head down there, afraid to get so close to ICE.

一整天，他们的妈妈都不敢去那里，害怕离 ICE 这么近。

She's undocumented too.

她也是无证的。

If she were taken, her kids would be completely on their own.

如果她被带走，她的孩子们将完全依靠自己。

But after seeing so many people there all day, including some people that she knew didn't have papers, she decided to risk it.

但一整天在那里看到了这么多人，其中包括一些她认识的没有证件的人，她决定冒险一试。

Her husband's diabetic and he needed his medication.

她丈夫患有糖尿病，需要药物治疗。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan And so I pulled myself together, she said, and I took the risk.

[说西班牙语]莉莉·沙利文所以我振作起来，她说，我冒险了。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan I said, let's go, they can't get all of us who are down there.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 我说，我们走吧，他们抓不到我们所有人。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan If they take us, they take us.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 如果他们带走了我们，他们就会带走我们。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan I got up and I went.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 我起身走了。

She brought one of her older sons with her, her 13 year old.

她带着一个 13 岁的大儿子一起来。

He's a citizen.

他是公民。

And she left her younger two kids at home.

她把年幼的两个孩子留在家里。

She told Manny to take care of his little brother until they got back.

她告诉曼尼在他们回来之前照顾他的弟弟。

As she left, she did the thing that lots of moms do to distract their kids in an emergency.

当她离开时，她做了很多妈妈在紧急情况下为分散孩子注意力而做的事情。

My mom told me start cleaning, and then we started cleaning.

我妈妈叫我开始打扫，然后我们就开始打扫。

So, first we do living room, like sweep, clean what's on floor.

所以，首先我们先清理客厅，比如打扫、清洁地板上的东西。

Then we do the dishes, put them back where they are.

然后我们洗碗，把它们放回原处。

And then, dining room, clean the table, clean the chairs.

然后，餐厅，擦桌子，擦椅子。

But it was usually quiet.

但平时很安静。

We never liked talked on that day.

那天我们从来不喜欢说话。

We didn't talk the whole time we were cleaning.

打扫卫生的整个过程中我们都没有说话。

And after we were done cleaning, which was nighttime, I got something to eat.

我们打扫完后，那是晚上，我吃了点东西。

Manny made Eric dinner, a pop tart and milk and put on cartoons for him, Teen Titans Go.

曼尼为埃里克做了晚餐，包括馅饼和牛奶，并为他播放了动画片《少年泰坦Go》。

He sat next to him while he watched.

他坐在他旁边，看着他。

Manny, himself, was glued to his phone, watching all the Facebook updates and Snapchatting with friends, trying to find news.

曼尼本人则紧盯着手机，观看所有 Facebook 更新以及与朋友的 Snapchat，试图查找新闻。

Around 11:00, they got a call from their mom.

11:00左右，他们接到了妈妈的电话。

She told them to go to bed.

她叫他们去睡觉。

They had school tomorrow.

他们明天还要上学。

She said they'd be home soon.

她说他们很快就会回家。

But neither of the boys could sleep.

但两个男孩都睡不着。

I was feeling sad that-- that-- oh, he's not actually coming back.

我感到很难过——哦，他实际上没有回来。

But then, every time my mom always said, he's coming back, he's coming back.

但每次我妈妈总是说，他会回来，他会回来。

Did you not believe that he would come back that night?

你不相信他那天晚上会回来吗？

Or were you worried that he wouldn't?

还是你担心他不会？

Yeah, were you scared?

是啊，你害怕了吗？

Manny I was pretty scared, cause-- I was scared it was going to be me and him all by ourselves.

曼尼，我很害怕，因为——我害怕只剩下我和他了。

And they would be gone.

他们就会消失。

And we'd be just me and him.

我们就只有我和他了。

Just I was thinking all of that in my mind.

只是我在心里想着这一切。

Cause I have to take care of him.

因为我必须照顾他。

I have to cook him food and I have to like, you know, take responsibility and take care of him.

我必须给他做饭，我必须喜欢，你知道，承担责任并照顾他。

Wait, but how old are you?

等等，但你多大了？

Isn't that too much to do?

是不是做的事情太多了？

I mean, I'm 12, so, I'm pretty-- I already know everything about him, and what he likes, and everything.

我的意思是，我已经 12 岁了，所以，我很漂亮——我已经了解他的一切，他喜欢什么，以及一切。

So, I think I'll be pretty good in taking care of him.

所以，我想我会很好地照顾他。

Eventually, their mom came home.

最终，他们的妈妈回家了。

Their dad didn't.

他们的父亲没有。

At 11:00 that night, he was one of 54 people that ICE sent to detention in Alabama.

当晚 11:00，他是 ICE 送往阿拉巴马州拘留的 54 人之一。

A teacher who'd gone to the armory that day to be with his students and try to help, he told me that seeing these white buses line up and file out in the dark, no goodbyes, no information, it felt like something out of the X Files.

一位老师那天去军械库与他的学生一起并试图提供帮助，他告诉我，看到这些白色巴士在黑暗中排队并鱼贯而出，没有告别，没有信息，感觉就像是 X 档案中的东西。

Of the 97 undocumented workers picked up that morning, ICE let 32 people go, one by one, over the course of the day.

当天早上抓获的 97 名无证工人中，ICE 在一天内一一释放了 32 人。

ICE had put them into deportation proceedings, but said they could wait for their court dates at home.

ICE 已将他们纳入驱逐程序，但表示他们可以在家等待开庭。

It was strange, who got released and who didn't.

谁被释放了，谁没有被释放，这很奇怪。

They released mostly women, some single mothers, but not all of them.

他们释放的大部分是女性，还有一些单身母亲，但不是全部。

They released some people with chronic illnesses, but not all of them.

他们释放了一些患有慢性病的人，但不是全部。

There were a few couples who worked together at the plant, couples with kids, both parents detained.

有几对在工厂一起工作的夫妇，有带孩子的夫妇，父母均被拘留。

In cases like that, someone told me that ICE told them to choose-- said, we'll let one of you go home, choose who.

在这种情况下，有人告诉我 ICE 让他们选择——说，我们会让你们中的一个人回家，选择谁。

People always chose the mom.

人们总是选择妈妈。

I talked to the special agent in charge of the Morristown operation.

我和负责莫里斯敦行动的特工谈过。

He told me ICE has a policy to not leave kids with no parent or caretaker.

他告诉我，ICE 有一项政策，不会让孩子失去父母或看护人。

So when two parents are detained, they might release one.

因此，当两名父母被拘留时，他们可能会释放其中一名。

It's at the officer's discretion.

这是由官员决定的。

Morristown is small enough, under 30,000 people, that nobody in town could avoid what happened.

莫里斯敦很小，人口不到 30,000，镇上没有人能避免所发生的事情。

Everyone saw the helicopters.

每个人都看到了直升机。

Lots of people knew someone who'd been picked up or knew their kids or other relatives.

很多人都认识被接走的人，或者认识他们的孩子或其他亲戚。

When dozens of officers come storming into a small town, rounding up a hundred people, it's the kind of thing where people spill out of their houses and watch.

当数十名警察冲进一个小镇，围捕一百人时，人们就会涌出房屋观看。

Krista Etter lives up the hill from the plant.

克里斯塔·艾特住在工厂的山上。

She had been scared that there was some criminal on the loose.

她担心有罪犯在逃。

She called her daughter, who was at home, and told her to lock the doors.

她打电话给在家的女儿，让她锁上门。

When Krista heard it was a raid at the slaughterhouse, she hiked across the field by her house to go see.

当克丽斯塔听说屠宰场遭到袭击时，她步行穿过她家附近的田地去看。

She saw the ICE trailer, officers cordoning off the entrance to the plant.

她看到了 ICE 拖车，警察封锁了工厂入口。

Krista's a Trump supporter.

克里斯塔是特朗普的支持者。

She's not a fan of illegal immigration.

她不喜欢非法移民。

Most of the area is that way.

大部分地区都是这样。

The county went 77% to Trump.

该县 77% 的选票都归特朗普所有。

She didn't know anyone who'd been directly affected.

她不认识任何受到直接影响的人。

Over the weekend, she went to a vigil for the parents who'd been taken away, not because she wanted to.

周末，她去为被带走的父母守夜，但这并不是她自愿的。

She didn't.

她没有。

She's the general manager for a local paper.

她是当地一家报纸的总经理。

And they asked her to take pictures.

他们还请她拍照。

She says that when she showed up, she was actually a little angry that all these people were there at all, like what do they expect?

她说，当她出现时，她实际上有点生气，因为这么多人都在那里，就像他们期望的那样？

These people broke the law.

这些人触犯了法律。

They should have seen it coming.

他们应该预见到它的到来。

I thought this possibly was a good thing, that ICE was cracking down on immigration.

我认为这可能是一件好事，因为 ICE 正在打击移民。

They're here illegally.

他们是非法入境的。

They need to go home.

他们需要回家。

And then she started listening to the kids at the mic.

然后她开始用麦克风听孩子们的讲话。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Krista Etter There was a young man.

[说西班牙语] Krista Etter 有一个年轻人。

He was a teenager, 14, 15 years old, that said, he just wanted his mom to come home.

他当时是一个14岁、15岁的青少年，也就是说，他只是想让他的妈妈回家。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Krista Etter He didn't have anybody else.

[说西班牙语] Krista Etter 他没有其他人了。

He just wanted his mom to come home.

他只是想让妈妈回家。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Krista Etter It just really, just shook my soul.

[说西班牙语] Krista Etter 这真的震撼了我的灵魂。

It was-- it was almost overwhelming, because there were so many children speaking.

这几乎是压倒性的，因为有这么多孩子在说话。

And-- and, I actually kind of had to get out of there.

而且——而且，我实际上不得不离开那里。

Because I was like, it's getting hot.

因为我想，天气越来越热了。

And I have health issues.

我有健康问题。

And I was like, I need to-- I have to remove myself, you know, walk out to my car, get a breath.

我当时想，我需要——我必须离开自己，你知道，走到我的车旁，喘口气。

And God's kind of going, see, I wanted you here, because you're not correct in your thinking.

上帝有点走了，看，我想要你在这里，因为你的想法不正确。

You're not correct in thinking that this is so black and white.

你认为这是非黑即白的想法是不正确的。

Because when I heard crack down on illegal immigration, I interpreted it as a crackdown on illegal immigrants that were criminals.

因为当我听到打击非法移民时，我把它理解为打击非法移民，即犯罪分子。

If there was a drug situation, you know, violent criminals, pedophile, any kind of situation of that nature.

如果存在毒品问题，你知道，暴力犯罪分子、恋童癖者以及任何此类性质的情况。

That's what I expected.

这正是我所期望的。

And I really believe I'm not the only one who did that.

我真的相信我不是唯一一个这样做的人。

I don't think anybody ever really stopped to think that they were going to go after the family man working at the meatpacking plant.

我认为没有人真正停下来想过他们要追捕在肉类加工厂工作的家庭男人。

That's not what I had in mind.

我不是这么想的。

I'm still a President Trump supporter.

我仍然是特朗普总统的支持者。

I guess, I have to hold out hope that maybe he didn't understand he was going after the guy in the meatpacking plant.

我想，我必须抱有希望，也许他不明白他正在追捕肉类加工厂的那个人。

I mean, I guess he probably does.

我的意思是，我猜他可能会。

I talked to a lot of people in town, who, after the raid, said they felt stunned.

我和镇上的很多人交谈过，他们在袭击发生后表示感到震惊。

People kept reminding me, this is the Bible Belt.

人们不断提醒我，这是圣经带。

This town's God fearing.

这个小镇敬畏上帝。

There's over 100 churches in the area.

该地区有 100 多座教堂。

Love thy neighbor, people take that seriously.

爱你的邻居，人们很重视这一点。

And that really shaped the town's response to the raid.

这确实影响了该镇对袭击的反应。

Reverend David Williams is a pastor in town at a Southern Baptist Church.

大卫·威廉姆斯牧师是镇上美南浸信会教堂的一名牧师。

He describes himself as Republican, conservative, very pro-life, pro military, pro Second Amendment.

他形容自己是共和党人、保守派、非常反堕胎、支持军事、支持第二修正案。

Also, he led a prayer at the vigil.

此外，他还在守夜活动中主持了祈祷活动。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] David Williams Regardless of their color.

[说西班牙语] 大卫·威廉姆斯 无论他们的肤色如何。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] David Williams Or the status of their citizenship.

[西班牙语] David Williams 或他们的公民身份。

[APPLAUSE] Lilly Sullivan He felt he needed to do it, after driving past the raid all day, on his way between his house and his church.

[掌声]莉莉·沙利文 (Lilly Sullivan) 在他家和教堂之间开车经过一整天的突袭后，他觉得自己有必要这样做。

And it was very creepy to see a particular ethnic group basically rounded up.

看到一个特定的种族群体基本上被围捕是非常令人毛骨悚然的。

As Americans, we are better than this.

作为美国人，我们比这更好。

I'm just trying to understand, this is kind of exactly what President Trump said he would do.

我只是想了解，这正是特朗普总统所说的他会做的事情。

He promised workplace raids, right?

他承诺对工作场所进行突击搜查，对吗？

And then, everyone was really shocked when it actually happened.

而当这件事真正发生的时候，所有人都震惊了。

Why are people surprised, do you know?

为什么人们会感到惊讶，你知道吗？

I don't know.

我不知道。

I don't-- I hope-- I don't think when people voted for Trump that they were voting for more raids.

我不——我希望——我不认为当人们投票给特朗普时他们是在投票支持更多的突袭。

I think people were voting for a secure border.

我认为人们投票支持安全边界。

You know, surely people didn't vote that families would be separated, and that families torn apart, and children scared, when am I going to see my mother or father again?

你知道，人们肯定不会投票支持家庭分离，家庭破裂，孩子们害怕，我什么时候才能再次见到我的母亲或父亲？

We're talking about our neighbors.

我们正在谈论我们的邻居。

They're in the shadow of the steeple of the church where I serve.

它们位于我服务的教堂尖塔的阴影下。

So I have a moral and biblical obligation.

所以我有道德和圣经的义务。

It became-- it became a divine thing, yeah.

它变成了——它变成了一件神圣的事情，是的。

I hope I have a job after this interview.

我希望这次面试后我能找到工作。

Other people told me the same thing, their faith told them that they needed to help these families.

其他人也告诉我同样的事情，他们的信仰告诉他们，他们需要帮助这些家庭。

So this very conservative town stepped up to help the people who'd been detained and their families.

因此，这个非常保守的小镇挺身而出，帮助被拘留的人和他们的家人。

Morristown's pretty small, but it's also pretty well integrated.

莫里斯敦虽然很小，但也很完整。

Latinos have been there for decades.

拉丁美洲人已经在那里呆了几十年了。

Whites and Latinos live in the same neighborhoods.

白人和拉丁裔住在同一个社区。

The schools are mixed.

学校鱼龙混杂。

By the morning after the raid, the town had raised $30,000 to bond people out of detention and to help with necessities.

袭击发生后的第二天早上，该镇已筹集了 3 万美元，用于为被拘留者提供担保并提供生活必需品。

Two weeks later, it was up to $90,000.

两周后，金额达到了 90,000 美元。

Again, here's Krista.

再说一次，这是克里斯塔。

I think some of it was guilt.

我想其中有一部分是愧疚。

It was guilt.

这是罪恶感。

Because you don't raise the kind of money in these communities, because we all thought we were right in our assumptions.

因为你不会在这些社区筹集那种资金，因为我们都认为我们的假设是正确的。

Do you see what I mean?

你明白我的意思吗？

It was guilt.

这是罪恶感。

We were like, wow, we all thought that they should all go home.

我们当时想，哇，我们都认为他们都应该回家了。

We all thought we needed to build a wall.

我们都认为我们需要建造一堵墙。

And then, all of a sudden, we watched families being torn apart.

然后，突然之间，我们看到家庭被撕裂。

We never thought about those that were left behind.

我们从来没有想过那些被留下的人。

Now they did.

现在他们做到了。

Pastors in town started a telephone chain, opening up churches around town as sanctuaries, with cots for people who were scared that ICE would come back.

镇上的牧师们建立了一条电话链，在镇上开放教堂作为避难所，为那些害怕 ICE 回来的人们提供婴儿床。

When an immigration raid hits, you don't usually hear about this kind of response-- a town wide effort to pick up the pieces.

当移民突袭袭来时，你通常不会听到这种反应——全镇范围内的努力收拾残局。

Longtime residents lined up to volunteer at churches, brought trucks full of food and donations.

长期居民在教堂排队做志愿者，带来了装满食物和捐款的卡车。

One organizer told me that a local bishop dropped off $5,000 and said, this is from my church, I'm sorry, this is not what we intended.

一位组织者告诉我，一位当地主教扔下了 5,000 美元，并说，这是来自我的教会，对不起，这不是我们的初衷。

People connected families with lawyers, wrote hundreds of character references for people detained.

人们为家人与律师联系，为被拘留者写了数百份品格推荐信。

The Garcia family, where the kids cleaned the house the day of the raid, the kids' teachers came by each week with bags of groceries.

加西亚家的孩子们在袭击当天打扫了房子，孩子们的老师每周都会带着一袋袋的杂货来。

And two months later, at the crack of dawn, their dad came home.

两个月后，黎明时分，他们的父亲回家了。

The town donated $1,000 to go toward his bond.

该镇捐赠了 1,000 美元作为他的保释金。

And the mom was able to scrape together another $9,000 and bond him out.

妈妈又凑了 9,000 美元，把他保释了出来。

His older sons picked him up from Louisiana.

他的大儿子从路易斯安那接他来。

They drove all night to get home.

他们连夜开车回家。

He hadn't told his younger sons he was out.

他没有告诉他的小儿子他出去了。

Their mom got them out of bed, saying, wake up, we're going to McDonald's for breakfast.

他们的妈妈把他们从床上叫起来，说，醒醒，我们要去麦当劳吃早餐。

Hurry up, we're about to leave.

快点吧，我们马上就要出发了。

They were putting on their shoes when their dad opened the screen door and said, so what are you going to get me from McDonald's?

他们正在穿鞋，这时他们的爸爸打开纱门说，那你要从麦当劳给我买什么？

Their mom actually videoed it on her phone.

他们的妈妈实际上用手机录下了这段视频。

[CRYING] The second his dad walks in, the youngest son, Eric, loses it.

[哭泣]他爸爸一走进来，最小的儿子埃里克就失去了它。

Starts wailing.

开始哀号。

[CRYING] He's hugging his dad and saying, papi.

[哭泣]他拥抱着他的爸爸并说，爸爸。

The raid happened a year ago this month.

这次袭击发生在一年前的这个月。

And even now, the kids still cling to their dad.

即使现在，孩子们仍然依附于他们的父亲。

You always want to go with him wherever he goes?

无论他去哪里，你总是想和他一起去吗？

Yeah, even just like go pick up tortillas for whenever mom's cooking.

是的，就像妈妈做饭的时候去拿玉米饼一样。

Or if he's just going to run errand or go pay a bill, or something like that.

或者如果他只是去办事或付账单，或者类似的事情。

He's like, oh, only one person can go, because we can't all go.

他说，哦，只有一个人可以去，因为我们不能都去。

So we all take turns going with him sometimes.

所以有时我们都会轮流和他一起去。

Because it only gets fair.

因为只有这样才变得公平。

Are you serious?

你是认真的？

You take turns going with him when he goes out?

他出去的时候你轮流陪他吗？

Yeah.

是的。

Lilly Sullivan Their dad has his reasons for only taking one kid at a time.

莉莉·沙利文（Lilly Sullivan） 他们的父亲一次只带一个孩子有他的理由。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan Well, no, because they asked for a ton of stuff.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 嗯，不，因为他们要了很多东西。

And then one of them doesn't have his shoes on, and one isn't dressed.

然后其中一个没穿鞋，一个没穿衣服。

So I just take the one who's ready.

所以我只选择准备好的那个。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan The first one, and then later, if I go back out, I take the other one, like that.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 第一个，然后，如果我回去，我会拿另一个，就像那样。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan It's like wherever I go, they want to go too.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 就像无论我去哪里，他们也想去。

And sometimes, their mom doesn't want me to go out alone either.

有时，他们的妈妈也不希望我一个人出去。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan They think that at any moment, the same thing will happen.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 他们认为在任何时候，同样的事情都会发生。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan And I hope not.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 我希望不会。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan But only God knows what will happen.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 但只有上帝知道会发生什么。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Lilly Sullivan So, yeah.

[说西班牙语] Lilly Sullivan 所以，是的。

He's still at home.

他还在家里。

He's in deportation proceedings.

他正处于驱逐出境程序中。

His court date is next year.

他的出庭日期是明年。

And no one knows if he'll have to leave.

没有人知道他是否必须离开。

So they have to plan.

所以他们必须做好计划。

The older kids are getting jobs.

大一点的孩子都在找工作。

The younger ones are learning to cook, so that they can help their mom, preparing for that possibility in case he goes.

年幼的孩子们正在学习做饭，这样他们就可以帮助他们的妈妈，为万一他走了的可能性做好准备。

Lilly Sullivan is one of the producers of our show.

莉莉·沙利文是我们节目的制片人之一。

Coming up, flames moving in from all sides.

升起，火焰从四面八方袭来。

An entire town flees.

整个城镇都逃离了。

Only four people left behind.

只剩下四个人了。

What's their next move?

他们的下一步行动是什么？

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。

This American Life.

这美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Each week on our show, we choose a theme.

每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题。

Today's program, Left Behind, the stories where people are suddenly gone and everyone leftover has to figure out how to handle whatever comes next.

今天的节目《Leave Behind》讲述了人们突然消失的故事，剩下的每个人都必须弄清楚如何处理接下来发生的事情。

We've arrived at Act Two of our program.

我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。

Act Two, Passed Over.

第二幕，被忽略了。

So last fall, the deadliest wildfire in 100 years happened in Northern California.

去年秋天，北加州发生了100年来最严重的野火。

Climate change is real.

气候变化是真实存在的。

150,000 acres burned.

15万英亩土地被烧毁。

85 people died.

85人死亡。

40,000 were displaced from their homes.

40,000 人流离失所。

Two entire communities, Paradise and Concow, were gone in the first 6 and 1/2 hours.

两个完整的社区，Paradise 和 Concow，在最初的 6 又 1/2 小时内就消失了。

Other towns are partially destroyed.

其他城镇部分被毁。

Aerial photos show street after street with rectangles of ash in rows.

航拍照片显示，一条又一条街道上长方形的火山灰成排排列。

All along the sides of the streets, former homes and buildings.

街道两旁都是以前的房屋和建筑物。

Every disaster has lucky survivors.

每一次灾难都有幸运的幸存者。

In this fire, one place that made it through is called Helltown.

在这场大火中，幸存下来的一个地方叫做地狱镇。

That's Helltown, like H-E- double L.

那是地狱镇，就像H-E-双L。

It was left behind when so much else was destroyed.

当其他许多东西被摧毁时，它就被留下了。

We heard about Helltown from reporter Robert Baird's great piece in GQ, it is in next month's print edition.

我们从记者罗伯特·贝尔德（Robert Baird）在《GQ》杂志上发表的精彩文章中听说了地狱镇，该文章将在下个月的印刷版中发布。

It's online right now.

现在已经上线了。

Nancy Updike has our story.

南希·厄普代克讲述了我们的故事。

Helltown is tiny, fewer than 20 houses in a canyon.

地狱镇很小，峡谷里只有不到 20 栋房子。

No store, no post office, more of an enclave than a town.

没有商店，没有邮局，与其说是一个城镇，不如说是一个飞地。

What happened there only makes sense if you know that, A, a trained firefighter was involved, and B, the group of friends who went back to Helltown after it had been evacuated and decided to try and save it, all grew up together, are super tight, and either still live in and around Helltown, or have family there.

只有当你知道，A，一名训练有素的消防员参与其中，B，一群朋友，在地狱镇被疏散后回到地狱并决定尝试拯救它，他们一起长大，关系非常紧密，要么仍然住在地狱镇及其周围，要么在那里有家人时，那里发生的事情才有意义。

They're also all in their 40s-- well, one 39-year-old.

他们也都是 40 多岁——嗯，其中一位 39 岁。

They all have kids.

他们都有孩子。

Very aware of their own mortality.

非常清楚自己的死亡。

So in early November, around 7:45 at night, Jeb, Jason, and Dharma, son of hippie parents, drove up to the ridge overlooking Helltown and just stood there, staring down, with no plan, just watching flames in the distance.

因此，在 11 月初，晚上 7 点 45 分左右，杰布、杰森和嬉皮士父母的儿子达玛开车来到俯瞰地狱镇的山脊，只是站在那里，向下凝视，没有任何计划，只是看着远处的火焰。

This is Dharma.

这就是佛法。

You know, first, we're in shock.

你知道，首先，我们感到震惊。

We're a little bit-- we're like, pointing at different spots, thinking that's your home, that's your parents' home.

我们有点——我们指着不同的地方，认为那是你的家，那是你父母的家。

Oh, man-- these little fires are everywhere.

哦，伙计——这些小火到处都是。

And then the fire's coming down these-- all down the ridge, it's coming down all the little creek cracks, coming down the canyon walls.

然后火就顺着山脊、所有的小溪裂缝、峡谷壁而下。

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

Dharma And it looked like lava flow.

佛法 它看起来像熔岩流。

It reminded me of just like lava, again, like red waterfalls, coming down the sides of the hills.

它让我想起就像熔岩一样，又像红色的瀑布，从山坡上流下来。

It seemed like the right time to turn around and leave, which is exactly what Jeb says, very sensibly, in a cell phone video from that night.

这似乎是转身离开的最佳时机，这正是杰布在那天晚上的手机视频中非常明智地所说的。

We should leave pretty soon.

我们应该很快就离开。

Nancy Updike Not once.

南希·厄普代克 一次也没有。

Not twice.

没有两次。

Jeb Yeah, we got to turn around, buddy.

杰布 是的，我们得掉头了，伙计。

Three times he says it, agreeing with Jason's brother, who was on the phone, also urging them to get the hell out of there.

他说了三遍，同意杰森在电话里的兄弟的观点，也敦促他们离开那里。

But as they were looking down, suddenly they noticed tail lights, one car moving fast through Helltown.

但当他们低头一看时，突然他们注意到尾灯，一辆汽车在地狱镇快速行驶。

This is Dharma again.

这又是佛法。

Weaving around, you can kind of follow the tail lights.

绕来绕去，你可以跟随尾灯。

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

Dharma I thought it was this friend of ours, because the way they were driving, we have a friend that we kind of-- that we grew up with, up in the canyon.

Dharma 我以为是我们的这个朋友，因为从他们开车的方式来看，我们有一个我们一起长大的朋友，在峡谷里长大。

We thought it was this guy, Little Billy.

我们以为是这个人，小比利。

But--

但是——

Yes, because the way someone stops, and then jumps in, and-- yeah, you have to know this guy.

是的，因为有人停下来，然后跳进去，而且——是的，你必须认识这个人。

OK, all right.

好吧，好吧。

It wasn't Little Billy, though.

不过，这不是小比利。

It was a different guy Jeb, Jason, and Dharma had all grown up with, the trained firefighter, who we're going to call Sam, because he was not officially there.

这是一个与 Jeb、Jason 和 Dharma 一起长大的不同的人，一位训练有素的消防员，我们称他为 Sam，因为他并不正式在那里。

The three of them up on the ridge guessed it was Sam, called him on his cell.

山脊上的三个人猜到是萨姆，就打电话给他。

He said, yep, it's me, I'm down here.

他说，是的，是我，我在这儿。

And I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I'm pretty sure he said, I think Helltown's still standing or something.

我不想让他说什么，但我很确定他说的是，我认为地狱镇仍然屹立不倒之类的。

There's a lot of homes down here that are still doing OK.

这里有很多房屋仍然状况良好。

Sam the firefighter also said, I'm not leaving.

消防员萨姆也说，我不会离开。

The fire's not bad here yet.

这里的火还不错。

There's spot fires.

现场出现火灾。

And I'm going to stay and do what I can.

我会留下来，尽我所能。

Sam was alone down there.

山姆独自一人在那里。

Helltown's volunteer fire department and all of its equipment had been deployed elsewhere.

地狱镇的志愿消防队及其所有设备都被部署到其他地方。

Then that was like the three of us kind of looked at each other, and, you know, we made the decision, we're going to drive down there and help Sam out.

然后我们三个人互相看着对方，你知道，我们做出了决定，我们要开车去那里帮助萨姆。

Did it feel like, OK, he's down there, this is doable, and we're just going to do it?

是不是感觉，好吧，他就在那里，这是可行的，我们就去做吧？

Or did it feel like, this might be crazy?

或者感觉这可能很疯狂？

OK.

好的。

Dharma It was a little bit-- a little bit of everything, yes.

佛法 这是一点点——是的，一切都一点点。

Fire doesn't always move in an organized way.

火并不总是以有组织的方式移动。

Even an enormous wildfire like this isn't just one mass, spreading out like a flood.

即使是像这样的巨大野火也不仅仅是一团，像洪水一样蔓延开来。

Bits of fire jump off, embers fly out or get picked up by the wind.

火苗会跳出来，余烬飞出或被风卷起。

And if those embers land, spot fires can start up, little hot spots that could become huge new fires or-- or they could fizzle if there isn't stuff around to burn.

如果这些余烬落地，可能会引发点火，小热点可能会变成新的巨大火灾，或者如果周围没有东西可以燃烧，它们可能会熄灭。

Fire has needs and weaknesses that can be exploited if you're skilled and very, very lucky.

如果你技术娴熟并且非常非常幸运，火的需求和弱点都可以被利用。

Dharma describes himself as an old athlete, pedal to the metal, go for it person.

达摩形容自己是一位老运动员，全力以赴，全力以赴。

Whereas, Jeb is an artist, more of a quiet, let's think about this, perspective having person.

而杰布是一个艺术家，更多的是一个安静的，让我们想想这个，有观点的人。

So, the whole breakfast club mix of the four people is athlete, artist, firefighter, and Jason.

所以，整个早餐俱乐部的四个人组合是运动员、艺术家、消防员和杰森。

Jason didn't want to be interviewed.

杰森不想接受采访。

The firefighter was busy.

消防员很忙。

So this is Jeb and Dharma's story of that night, starting with the harry drive downhill in poor Jason's new truck, down a skinny dirt road, called Center Gap Road, that skirts along the canyon.

这就是杰布和达玛那天晚上的故事，从哈利开着可怜的杰森的新卡车下山开始，沿着一条狭窄的土路，称为中心峡路，沿着峡谷蜿蜒而行。

And they're heading into flames.

他们正走向火海。

Sure enough, about halfway down the road, the fire was on both sides of Center Gap.

果然，大约走到一半的时候，Center Gap 的两侧都着火了。

Feels like we're driving-- we're on one of those little space shuttles or things, and we're driving on planet Mars.

感觉就像我们在开车——我们坐在一架小型航天飞机或其他东西上，而且我们在火星上行驶。

You know, everything's burning all around you.

你知道，你周围的一切都在燃烧。

It's like everything's on fire.

就好像一切都着火了。

Here's Jeb's quiet artist version of that drive.

这是杰布对那次驾驶的安静艺术家版本。

We did drive-through some flames to get down that road, but nothing like life threatening.

我们确实开车穿过一些火焰才走上那条路，但没有生命危险。

Jeb, Dharma, and Jason get down to the main drag, Centerville Road, and they're looking around.

杰布、达玛和杰森来到森特维尔路的主干道，他们环顾四周。

And Sam is right, a lot of houses are still standing.

萨姆是对的，很多房子仍然矗立着。

And Centerville Road is a natural fire stop.

森特维尔路是一个天然的防火站。

The big fire is moving unevenly down the canyon on the right.

大火沿着右侧的峡谷不均匀地移动。

And most of Helltown's houses are to the left of Centerville Road, the side away from the fire.

地狱镇的大部分房屋都位于森特维尔路的左侧，远离火灾的一侧。

And then, here and there are spot fires, one of which Sam is hacking away at.

然后，到处都是点火，山姆正在砍掉其中一处。

There was a house and the cedar fence is all on fire.

有一座房子，雪松栅栏都着火了。

And Sam has a chainsaw.

山姆有一把电锯。

And he's-- he's chainsawing parts of the fence, and kicking them over, trying to-- I see what he was doing.

他正在用电锯锯开栅栏的一部分，然后把它们踢倒，试图——我明白他在做什么。

He was stopping it from-- the flames were burning all this whole fence.

他正在阻止——火焰烧毁了整个栅栏。

And they were getting close to the house.

他们已经接近房子了。

And instantly, he's like, there's no time for talk.

他立刻就觉得，没时间说话了。

There's a shovel in the back of my truck.

我的卡车后面有一把铲子。

Yeah, over the chainsaw.

是的，在电锯上。

He's like get to work, you made it.

他就像开始工作一样，你成功了。

The escape plan, if it came to that, was meet under the bridge and jump in the creek.

逃跑的计划，如果真的到了那一步，那就是在桥下见面，然后跳进小溪里。

Sam also gave some quick tips-- check overhead to make sure you're not under power lines and always park your truck pointed downhill for a quick getaway.

山姆还给出了一些快速提示——检查头顶，确保你没有在电线下，并始终将你的卡车停在山下以便快速逃脱。

Other than that, it was just fire triage.

除此之外，这只是火灾分类。

Patrol up and down Centerville Road, assess where the fire is getting close to the road, and clear as much brush and flammable material as possible away from the side of the road where the fire is approaching.

在森特维尔路上下巡逻，评估火势接近道路的位置，并尽可能清除远离火势接近的路边的灌木丛和易燃材料。

Keep an eye on trees that might burn and fall across the road.

留意可能燃烧并倒在马路上的树木。

And tackle whatever looks most urgent with whatever tool you've got.

并使用您拥有的任何工具来解决看起来最紧急的问题。

For the houses, Jason had an excavator, sort of like a tank with a long bucket arm.

对于房屋，杰森有一台挖掘机，有点像带有长斗臂的坦克。

He would drop the bucket arm down and drag it around the houses and buildings to clear brush that might catch fire.

他会把铲斗臂放下，拖着它绕过房屋和建筑物，清理可能着火的灌木丛。

Basically, make a fire resistant clearing.

基本上，进行防火清理。

Also, he could lift the arm up about 20 feet, to break off branches that might catch fire and fall on people's houses.

此外，他还可以将手臂举起约 20 英尺，折断可能着火并掉落到人们房屋上的树枝。

Dharma and Jeb dug ditches by the road, around houses.

达玛和杰布在路边、房屋周围挖沟渠。

They raked brush.

他们耙灌木丛。

They moved propane tanks.

他们移动了丙烷罐。

They used shovels.

他们用铲子。

They used water, if they could find it, and anything else at hand to put out flaming decks and sheds.

他们使用水（如果能找到的话）以及手头的任何其他东西来扑灭燃烧的甲板和棚屋。

When they finished with one area, they jumped in one of the two trucks and drove to the next one, up and down the same mile of road.

当他们完成一个区域后，他们跳上两辆卡车中的一辆，开往下一辆，在同一英里的道路上来回行驶。

Sam was fighting fires and also coming back and guiding the rest of them-- go here, go there.

山姆一边救火，一边回来引导其他人——到这里，到那里。

Around 9 PM, pretty early on, they all lost cell phone service.

晚上 9 点左右，很早，他们的手机都失去了服务。

So we would all check in with each other, and go, hey, how you doing, what do you need?

所以我们都会互相检查，然后说，嘿，你怎么样，你需要什么？

Yeah.

是的。

Jeb We're going here to look at this spot.

杰布：我们要去这里看看这个地方。

We were mostly worried about where the pine trees were at.

我们最担心的是松树在哪里。

He means the trees on the side of the canyon.

他指的是峡谷一侧的树木。

Because they're the ones that kick off the big embers and have the sap that kind of explodes.

因为他们是那些能够激起大余烬并让汁液爆炸的人。

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

Dharma And then the flames were coming over in different spots everywhere, right?

Dharma 然后火焰从各处不同的地方冒出来，对吧？

All the way down the canyon, it's kind of falling over.

一路顺着峡谷往下走，有点摔倒的感觉。

And there was a couple of trees that were kind of hanging over, up by the Centerville Cemetery.

森特维尔公墓旁边有几棵树悬在空中。

There was kind of like a-- it's like a tunnel up there of big oaks.

那里有点像——就像一条长满大橡树的隧道。

And I was a little concerned that the fire would hit those, and crawl up in there, and then kind of cross over the road.

我有点担心火会烧到那些地方，然后爬到那里，然后穿过马路。

All night, they were clearing small flammable things away from bigger, more dangerous flammable things, obsessively crushing out little fires.

整个晚上，他们都在清理小的易燃物和更大、更危险的易燃物，着迷地扑灭小火。

I was stamping on coals and burning leaves.

我踩着煤炭和燃烧的树叶。

And I realized, I can't do this anymore.

我意识到，我不能再这样做了。

So I grabbed one of my kayak paddles.

所以我抓起了我的一个皮划艇桨。

And I was slapping flames with a kayak paddle.

我用皮划艇桨拍打火焰。

You couldn't do it, cause-- cause your shoes were not standing up.

你做不到，因为——因为你的鞋子站不起来。

Your shoes were--

你的鞋子是——

No, my legs were sore.

不，我的腿很酸。

Nancy Updike Oh, your legs were sore.

南希·厄普代克哦，你的腿很酸。

The shoes were holding up, but your legs were sore.

鞋子还可以，但你的腿很酸。

Oh, my god, wow.

哦，天啊，哇。

My boots did melt.

我的靴子确实融化了。

The soles of my boots were completely melted, partially because there was a tree that was on fire that was going to fall onto my house.

我的靴底完全融化了，部分原因是有一棵着火的树将倒在我的房子上。

So I was cutting it with a chainsaw to drop it, so it wouldn't fall the other direction.

所以我用电锯切割它以使其掉落，这样它就不会从另一个方向掉下来。

And then I got to a point where it was almost about to fall, and I just said, you know what, this is not really safe.

然后我就到了它几乎要掉下来的地步，我只是说，你知道吗，这并不是很安全。

I'm standing in hot coals.

我正站在热炭中。

And I've got a chainsaw, and I'm by myself, so-- under a tree that's on fire.

我有一把电锯，我独自一人，在一棵着火的树下。

So, I'm like, this is probably not the best idea.

所以，我想，这可能不是最好的主意。

So, I just let it be.

所以，我就顺其自然吧。

Were there moments that were actually-- where you were frightened?

有没有一些时刻让你感到害怕？

Yes.

是的。

I would say up by Jeb's house, watching it kind of-- the flames around Jeb's place were real-- were pretty-- were pretty intense.

我会说在杰布的房子旁边，看着它——杰布家周围的火焰是真实的——非常漂亮——非常强烈。

And they were really like-- I remember the-- I remember looking up at 60-- 60 foot flames, or 40, 50 foot flames, and just going, wow.

他们真的很像——我记得——我记得抬头看着 60-60 英尺的火焰，或者 40、50 英尺的火焰，然后就觉得，哇。

And just hearing, and seeing the fire, the intenseness of fire.

只是听到、看到火，火的强度。

We were buying time.

我们是在争取时间。

We were holding the fire back until the professionals got there, so we were hoping.

我们一直在控制火势，直到专业人员到达那里，所以我们希望如此。

But we were hoping as soon as possible that someone would be there with some engines.

但我们希望尽快有人带着一些引擎到那里。

I mean, that's all I wanted to hear, was a helicopter or a fire engine.

我的意思是，这就是我想听到的，就是一架直升机或消防车。

Without cell phone service, they had no idea why no one was coming, hour after hour.

没有手机服务，他们不知道为什么一小时又一小时都没有人来。

This was the first day of the fire.

这是火灾发生的第一天。

They didn't know how bad it was going to get and how bad it already was.

他们不知道情况将会变得多么糟糕，也不知道情况已经有多糟糕。

Is there anybody out there?

外面有人吗？

I mean, we really felt like we were the only ones on the planet Earth at that point.

我的意思是，那时我们真的感觉自己是地球上唯一的人。

And it was like, where's the help?

就像，哪里有帮助？

Are we the only ones out here?

我们是这里唯一的人吗？

You know, we're the only ones.

你知道，我们是唯一的。

Like where's everybody at?

比如说大家都在哪里？

The fight did not feel heroic at any point.

这场战斗在任何时候都没有英勇的感觉。

It was a slog.

这是一个艰难的过程。

They kept the fire away from as many buildings and houses as they could along that mile or so stretch of road.

他们在那一英里左右的道路上尽可能多地让火势远离建筑物和房屋。

But they were never done.

但他们从未完成。

Some places had to be saved again and again.

有些地方必须一次又一次地保存。

Jeb's house was one of the few that was on the other side of the road, the side the fire was coming from.

杰布的房子是马路另一边为数不多的房子之一，火就是从那一边来的。

So, no road between his house and the fire.

因此，他的房子和火灾之间没有道路。

Jeb and Dharma would go to his house, fight the fire down, go tackle someplace else, come back to make sure the place was OK, and have to fight the fire down all over again.

杰布和达玛会去他家，扑灭大火，去其他地方处理，回来确保那个地方没问题，然后又得重新扑灭大火。

Dharma's adrenaline wore off around 3:30 in the morning, after 7 and 1/2 hours of non-stop physical labor.

经过 7 又 1/2 小时不间断的体力劳动，达摩的肾上腺素在凌晨 3:30 左右逐渐消失。

He was crashing and his legs were seizing up.

他崩溃了，双腿发软。

He and Jason went to Jason's house, which Sam had declared safe for the moment.

他和杰森去了杰森的家，山姆宣布那里暂时安全。

I just had to put-- stretch my feet out for a second.

我只需要把我的脚伸出一会儿。

That was the first time I got to get off my feet.

那是我第一次站起来。

And we ended up sitting on his couch for a few minutes, where we sort of dozed off for a second or so.

最后我们在他的沙发上坐了几分钟，打瞌睡了一秒钟左右。

Jeb was frantically awake.

杰布惊醒了。

He was up at his house, whack-a-moling fires, that over the course of the night went 360 degrees around his house.

他在自己的房子里扑灭大火，整个晚上，大火围绕着他的房子旋转了 360 度。

No, not really.

不，不是真的。

I knew that we were all exhausted.

我知道我们都已经筋疲力尽了。

But I just told them, I can't-- there's no way that I can go to sleep.

但我只是告诉他们，我不能——我无法入睡。

So, they were like, we'll be back in an hour.

所以，他们说，我们一小时后回来。

By this time, two hours passed, and I was like, really guys, like--

这时，两个小时过去了，我想，真的，伙计们，就像——

Oh.

哦。

Jeb At one point, I had Jason's truck, and I was by myself.

杰布 有一次，我开着杰森的卡车，只剩下我一个人。

And I pointed it down the driveway, and had engine idling, and I was just yelling into the air, like where is our help?

我把它指向车道，让发动机空转，我只是对着空气大喊，就像我们的帮助在哪里？

I think there's a few other words that I won't say that were involved in that.

我认为还有一些我不会说的词与此有关。

Later, in the weeks and months after the fire, this is the scene and feeling that Jeb kept dreaming about, fighting the fire at his house alone.

后来，在火灾发生后的数周和数月里，杰布一直梦想着独自在家里救火的场景和感觉。

The way Jeb and Dharma described the night, with the smoke blowing through, and this eerie warmth in the air, when it should have been chilly, because it was November, it sounded lonely in some core way, like every person, every creature in the canyon, was having its own personal battle with this thing.

杰布和达玛描述那个夜晚的方式是，烟雾缭绕，空气中弥漫着诡异的温暖，而本来应该寒冷的，因为当时是十一月，但听起来在某种程度上很孤独，就像峡谷中的每个人、每个生物都在与这个东西进行着自己的战斗。

I saw this huge bear come running out of one of the little driveways.

我看到这只巨大的熊从一条小车道里跑出来。

And he saw me and he ran right into the fire.

他看到了我，就跑进了火里。

Oh, Jesus.

哦，耶稣。

Jeb Because I was driving towards him.

杰布因为我正开车朝他驶来。

The wildlife was freaking out.

野生动物都吓坏了。

I saw a couple of deer with singed fur, and they just didn't know what to do.

我看到几只鹿的毛皮被烧焦了，它们只是不知道该怎么办。

There was this little mouse at one point, that kept running towards the flames, and we would stop him and put him on the other side of the road.

有一次，有一只小老鼠，一直向火焰跑去，我们会阻止他，把他放在路的另一边。

And he kept running back towards the flames.

他不断地向火焰跑去。

We're like, wait, guy, you're going the wrong way.

我们就像，等等，伙计，你走错路了。

Finally, finally, around 11:00 AM, some friends from the area showed up with burritos and water.

最后，终于，上午 11:00 左右，一些来自该地区的朋友带着墨西哥卷饼和水出现了。

And I remember sitting on the side of the road, and I'm eating a little burrito.

我记得我坐在路边，正在吃一点墨西哥卷饼。

And then here comes, through the smoke-- I looked down, and through the smoke comes the fire department.

然后，穿过烟雾——我低头一看，消防队穿过烟雾来到了。

An out of town fire truck comes ripping through the smoke.

一辆城外的消防车冲破浓烟驶来。

And it was like, we hold our shovels up.

就像我们举起铲子一样。

We're like help has arrived.

我们就像救援已经到来一样。

And I remember, like-- and the firefighters, they come up to us.

我记得，就像消防员一样，他们向我们走来。

And they stop their truck, you know, and the guy looks out the window.

他们停下了卡车，你知道，那家伙看着窗外。

And I go-- I'm like, hey, man, there's a lot of homes up here.

然后我就想，嘿，伙计，这里有很多房子。

I'm glad you guys finally made it.

我很高兴你们终于成功了。

And I'm thinking he's going to be like, right on, guys, great job.

我想他会说，伙计们，干得好。

He's like this is dangerous, what are you doing?

他好像这样很危险，你在做什么？

You need to get out of here.

你需要离开这里。

And then he-- and drives off.

然后他就开车走了。

So, we didn't get no welcome there.

所以，我们在那里没有受到欢迎。

He was like, nah.

他就像，不。

He was like, you guys-- we're civilians, we weren't supposed to be there.

他说，你们这些人——我们是平民，我们不应该在那里。

Yeah.

是的。

Dharma That was I think their take.

佛法 我认为这就是他们的看法。

And it was pretty dangerous, so--

这非常危险，所以——

On that night, they must have been-- I mean, they probably had just come through some really harrowing sights.

那天晚上，他们一定是——我的意思是，他们可能刚刚经历了一些真正令人痛苦的景象。

They really did.

他们真的做到了。

I mean, and then, because like, hours later, it was 2 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon, Jeb and I finally got-- we got a ride out.

我的意思是，然后，因为几个小时后，下午两三点钟，杰布和我终于——我们搭车出去了。

We were like pretty much delusional and tired.

我们几乎陷入了妄想和疲惫。

And we got a ride out of the canyon.

我们乘车离开了峡谷。

And we saw the total devastation.

我们看到了彻底的破坏。

We were in the country club, compared to the front lines, yeah.

是的，与前线相比，我们在乡村俱乐部。

Yeah, it was definitely a realization of like, oh, I know why no one was here.

是的，这绝对是一种认识，哦，我知道为什么没有人在这里。

You couldn't even get up here.

你甚至无法站到这里。

And there was much more important places to be, and lives to save, you know.

你知道，还有更重要的地方需要去，还有更多的生命需要拯救。

But you don't think about that when you're in the moment of your own little bubble of your own neighborhood, you know.

但你知道，当你处于自己社区的小泡沫中时，你不会想到这一点。

Yeah.

是的。

Jeb What's going on everywhere else.

杰布 其他地方发生了什么？

Helltown is less than four miles from Paradise, which burned to the ground.

地狱镇距离被烧毁的天堂不到四英里。

Jeb and Dharma spent the whole exhausting night imagining, guessing, that they'd been overlooked.

杰布和达玛整个晚上都筋疲力尽地想象、猜测他们被忽视了。

When they drove out, they saw the truth.

当他们开车出去时，他们看到了真相。

They hadn't been overlooked.

他们并没有被忽视。

They'd been spared.

他们幸免于难。

Nancy Updike is one of the producers of our show.

南希·厄普代克是我们节目的制片人之一。

It took firefighters another two-plus days to fully save Helltown.

消防队员又花了两天多时间才完全拯救地狱镇。

In the end, according to Dharma, only two houses were lost in the area of the canyon around Helltown.

根据 Dharma 的说法，最终地狱镇周围的峡谷地区只损失了两栋房屋。

Again, we heard about Helltown from Robert Baird's great story in GQ.

我们再次从 Robert Baird 在《GQ》杂志上的精彩故事中听说了地狱镇。

It's going to be in the May issue of the magazine.

它将出现在该杂志五月号上。

And you can read it on the internet right now, online, at GQ.com.

您现在就可以在 GQ.com 上在线阅读它。

Act Three, The Book of Death is Long and Boring.

第三幕，《死亡之书》又长又无聊。

So our show today is about being left behind when loved ones leave.

所以我们今天的节目是关于当亲人离开时被抛在后面的。

And we'll close out our show with this, about the way people disappear all the time, and the place they go to when they're gone.

我们将用这个来结束我们的节目，关于人们总是消失的方式，以及他们消失后去的地方。

David Kestenbaum explains.

大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆解释道。

Imagine there was a book containing all the names of the dead, all the people who had lived, an enormous book, the last pages of which are blank.

想象有一本书，包含所有死者的名字，所有生过的人的名字，一本巨大的书，最后几页是空白的。

A half second passes, and a new name appears in the book, then another name, another name.

半秒钟过去了，一个新名字出现在书中，然后是另一个名字，另一个名字。

Actually, imagine the book had their Social Security numbers too.

实际上，想象这本书也有他们的社会安全号码。

Because it does.

因为确实如此。

The Death Master File.

死亡大师档案。

David Kestenbaum It's quite a name.

大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆（David Kestenbaum） 这是一个很好的名字。

It is quite a name, yes.

这是一个很好的名字，是的。

David Kestenbaum The Death Master File.

大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆《死亡大师档案》。

It sounds a little like Star Wars or something, you know.

你知道，这听起来有点像星球大战之类的。

It sounds like a book from the afterlife.

这听起来像是一本来自来世的书。

Yes.

是的。

David Kestenbaum Mike Astrue used to be responsible for the Death Master File, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆·迈克·阿斯特鲁曾经负责死亡主档案，以及一大堆其他的东西。

The Death Master File, to be clear, is not a book.

需要明确的是，《死亡主档案》不是一本书。

It's just a computer file.

这只是一个电脑文件。

The people who maintain it work in a building just outside of Baltimore.

维护它的人在巴尔的摩郊外的一栋大楼里工作。

It's the headquarters of the Social Security Administration, which Astrue was the commissioner of for six years, under President Bush, and then Obama.

它是社会保障管理局的总部，阿斯特鲁在布什总统和奥巴马总统的领导下担任了六年的专员。

The government started keeping track of the deaths in 1936.

政府从 1936 年开始记录死亡人数。

It began as paper records.

它开始于纸质记录。

You know, it was just part of the wiring of the building.

你知道，那只是大楼布线的一部分。

And nobody really thought about it.

没有人真正思考过这个问题。

There would have been almost no one outside the agency, probably, that even knew that this existed.

可能该机构之外几乎没有人知道这一点的存在。

Some of the first names on the list, William M Gamble of Louisiana, Eson Bailey, West Virginia, Sidor Mullinar, Connecticut.

名单上的一些名字包括路易斯安那州的威廉姆·甘布尔（William M Gamble）、西弗吉尼亚州的埃森·贝利（Eson Bailey）、康涅狄格州的西多·穆利纳尔（Sidor Mullinar）。

They all died in 1936, which was the first year Social Security cards were issued, meaning they would have only had their numbers for a month or so before they died.

他们都于 1936 年去世，那一年是社会保障卡发放的第一年，这意味着他们在去世前只有一个月左右的时间拥有自己的号码。

William Gambles was 435-03-3049.

威廉·甘布尔斯的电话号码是 435-03-3049。

How many names do you think are on it now?

你认为现在上面有多少个名字？

It's probably, right now, in the range of about 100 million names.

目前，该名称的数量可能约为 1 亿个。

It was a creation of pure bureaucracy.

这是纯粹官僚机构的产物。

We track births, we should track deaths.

我们追踪出生率，我们也应该追踪死亡率。

They are symmetrical events.

它们是对称事件。

But of course, the feelings associated with each couldn't be more different.

但当然，每个人的感受都截然不同。

The Death Master File became available to the public in 1980.

死亡主档案于 1980 年向公众开放。

Companies used it to detect fraud, to see if someone was trying to use a dead person's Social Security number.

公司用它来检测欺诈行为，看看是否有人试图使用死者的社会安全号码。

Anyway, one day Mike was at home and the phone rang.

不管怎样，有一天迈克在家，电话响了。

One of my best friends in the world came to me, very sheepishly.

我在世界上最好的朋友之一来找我，非常羞怯。

And very careful to say, you know, don't do anything that legally and ethically you're not allowed to do.

并且要非常小心地说，你知道，不要做任何法律和道德上不允许你做的事情。

But my mother is upset that her father is not in the Death Master File.

但我母亲对她父亲不在死亡主档案中感到不安。

She'd been tracing out the family's history.

她一直在追查这个家族的历史。

And one resource people use to do that is the Death Master File.

人们用来做到这一点的一种资源是死亡主文件。

And somehow in that long list of millions of names, her father wasn't in there, which is not surprising.

不知何故，在数百万个名字的长长名单中，她的父亲并不在那里，这并不奇怪。

It's actually kind of tricky to know of everyone who dies.

了解每个死去的人实际上有点棘手。

Someone has to notify the state where the person died.

必须有人通知死者死亡所在的州。

Then the state has to submit the information to the federal government.

然后州必须将信息提交给联邦政府。

And you know, states.

你知道，国家。

But Mike had never heard of anyone complaining about not being on the list.

但迈克从未听说过有人抱怨不在名单上。

He told his friend, let me see what I can do.

他告诉他的朋友，让我看看我能做什么。

And when he got to work-- remember, he was head of Social Security-- he went to talk to the people who actually managed the Death Master File.

当他开始工作时——请记住，他是社会保障部门的负责人——他去与实际管理死亡主档案的人交谈。

I went down and talked to them.

我下去和他们说话。

And they were puzzled, because first of all, no one had ever asked.

他们很困惑，因为首先，没有人问过。

And they did have the response-- well, you know, usually people are trying to get off the list, because the agency does accidentally declare a certain number of people dead who are not dead.

他们确实做出了回应——嗯，你知道，通常人们都试图从名单上除名，因为该机构确实意外地宣布了一定数量的人死亡，但实际上并没有死亡。

And they're usually quite upset about that.

他们通常对此感到非常沮丧。

Because all of a sudden, their credit cards don't work, or their ATM card.

因为突然之间，他们的信用卡或 ATM 卡无法使用。

It's kind of a powerful list.

这是一个强大的列表。

The staff was used to taking people off the list.

工作人员习惯于将人员从名单上删除。

They had a term for that-- to undead, as in, he'll be undeaded by Friday, or we can't undead her without her Social Security number.

他们有一个术语——不死，比如，他将在周五之前不死，否则我们无法在没有她的社会安全号码的情况下使她不死。

In the end, it wasn't hard.

最后，这并不难。

If you can undead someone, you can certainly dead them.

如果你能让某人不死，你当然也能杀死他们。

They deaded his friend's grandfather.

他们杀死了他朋友的祖父。

Mike told his friend, who told his mom.

迈克告诉了他的朋友，朋友又告诉了他的妈妈。

So what my friend told me was that it had been a very emotional moment when she realized that her father was in the Death Master File.

所以我的朋友告诉我，当她意识到她的父亲在死亡大师档案中时，这是一个非常激动的时刻。

And you know, and I got a very grateful, emotional letter from her.

你知道，我收到了她写的一封非常感激、充满感情的信。

It's like, she just wanted him, like in that small way, not to be left out.

就好像，她只是希望他，就像这样一点点，不要被排除在外。

What did it feel like to know that somebody felt that way about it?

知道有人有这样的感觉是什么感觉？

Like, when you were walking down the hall, you must have been like, oh, I never thought about this thing that way.

就像，当你走过大厅时，你一定会说，哦，我从来没有这样想过这件事。

I think that the-- this particular story didn't really change my emotional connection to the Death Master File.

我认为这个特定的故事并没有真正改变我与死亡主档案的情感联系。

But I understand it, and I respect it.

但我理解它，也尊重它。

When someone dies, they leave us behind.

当有人去世时，他们就把我们抛在身后。

But we're also leaving them behind.

但我们也把他们抛在了后面。

It's natural to want some kind of marker.

想要某种标记是很自然的。

I think if you're going to collect the names of the dead, millions after millions of names, and then call that thing the Death Master File, it's more than just a government record.

我认为，如果你要收集死者的名字，数以百万计的名字，然后将其称为“死亡主档案”，那么它不仅仅是一份政府记录。

People are going to have feelings about it.

人们对此会有感受。

It is kind of hard for me not to imagine the moment when my name gets added, you know.

你知道，我很难不想象我的名字被添加的那一刻。

Like, there's a moment, it's going to happen, and then there will be another name right behind it, and then another, you know.

就像，有一个时刻，它会发生，然后后面就会有另一个名字，然后是另一个，你知道。

I guess.

我猜。

I guess that's right.

我想这是对的。

I-- for whatever reason, I'm sort of immune to that feeling.

我——无论出于什么原因，我对这种感觉免疫。

Which, of course, is the ridiculous and remarkable thing about all of us.

当然，这对于我们所有人来说都是可笑而又非凡的事情。

You can know about this list, maybe you're even the boss of it.

你可以知道这个名单，也许你就是它的老板。

And you can manage not to think about it at all.

你也可以完全不去想它。

David Kestenbaum is one of the producers of our show.

大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆是我们节目的制片人之一。

Our program was produced today by Lilly Sullivan.

我们今天的节目由莉莉·沙利文制作。

The people who put our show together includes Elna Baker, Ben Calhoun, Zoe Chace, and Chivvis, Sean Cole, Aviva DeKornfeld, Hillary Elkins, Jared Floyd, Damian Grave, Seth Lind, Mike Meek, Lena Misitzis, Stowe Nelson, Katharine Raimondo, Nadia Reiman, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, and Diane Wu.

制作我们节目的人员包括 Elna Baker、Ben Calhoun、Zoe Chace 和 Chivvis、Sean Cole、Aviva DeKornfeld、Hillary Elkins、Jared Floyd、Damian Grave、Seth Lind、Mike Meek、Lena Misitzis、Stowe Nelson、Katharine Raimondo、Nadia Reiman、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Nancy Updike 和 Diane Wu。

Our Managing Editor is David Kestenbaum.

我们的总编辑是大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。

Special thanks today to Kathy Hinckley, to Stephanie Teatro and the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition, to KC Curberson-Alvarado, Liz Neill, Robert Neill, Jackson Neill, Jonathan Burrello, Shira Rubin, Joseph Feit, Jeremy Feit, Negusi Alamu, Susan Pollack, Aster Yilma, Degu Abunie, Cassie Greene O'Hara, Kelefa Sanneh, and Sara Bohannon.

今天特别感谢 Kathy Hinckley、Stephanie Teatro 和田纳西州移民和难民权利联盟、KC Curberson-Alvarado、Liz Neill、Robert Neill、Jackson Neill、Jonathan Burrello、Shira Rubin、Joseph Feit、Jeremy Feit、Negusi Alamu、Susan Pollack、Aster Yilma、Degu Abunie、Cassie Greene O'Hara、Kelefa桑内和萨拉·博汉农。

Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 670 episodes for absolutely free.

我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地观看我们的 670 多集档案。

Or you can download all those episodes, using the This American Life app.

或者，您可以使用“This American Life”应用程序下载所有这些剧集。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

You know, he really is a bit of a name dropper.

要知道，他确实是一个有点名不副实的人。

His car broke down this week, I believe at a friend's house.

我相信他的车本周抛锚在朋友家。

And told me--

并告诉我——

Like a garage of the Kennedys is probably better than most.

就像肯尼迪家族的车库可能比大多数车库都要好。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。