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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass A man walks into the main branch of the San Francisco Public Library one Monday earlier this month.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 本月早些时候的一个星期一，一名男子走进旧金山公共图书馆的主分馆。
He's a balding gentleman named John Peters, and he's looking for books by the Marxist political theorist, Antonio Gramsci.
他是一位名叫约翰·彼得斯的秃头绅士，正在寻找马克思主义政治理论家安东尼奥·葛兰西的书籍。
He's an Italian radical.
他是意大利激进分子。
And what I'm seeing is everything has been taken out several years ago.
我看到的是几年前所有的东西都被拿走了。
I'm wondering, are these stolen?
我想知道，这些是被偷的吗？
Or has somebody-- and I know of one case of this-- deliberately not wanted people to see these books?
或者有人——我知道一个这样的例子——故意不希望人们看到这些书？
If this is a conspiracy to suppress the 20th century's greatest theorist of cultural hegemony, it is not a very effective conspiracy.
如果说这是一个镇压20世纪最伟大的文化霸权理论家的阴谋，那并不是一个非常有效的阴谋。
It takes the helpful librarian less than two minutes to find, on the shelves of the fourth floor, a book of Gramsci's selected political writings.
这位乐于助人的图书管理员只花了不到两分钟就在四楼的书架上找到了一本葛兰西精选的政治著作。
So here's the call number.
这是电话号码。
So that's how you find it on the shelf, OK?
这就是你在货架上找到它的方式，好吗？
OK.
好的。
Ira Glass Five of us went to libraries around the country that day, according to the reference desk.
据咨询台称，那天我们五个人去了全国各地的图书馆。
And one of the things that we found everywhere were even-tempered, unflappable librarians.
我们随处发现的其中一件事就是脾气平和、镇定自若的图书管理员。
Like at the Palo Verde Public Library in Phoenix, a library user named Cindy, in a maroon sweatshirt and fanny pack, broke into song to get the librarian to understand exactly which Amy Grant Christmas album she wanted.
就像在凤凰城的帕洛维德公共图书馆一样，一位名叫辛迪（Cindy）的图书馆用户穿着栗色运动衫和腰包，突然唱歌，让图书管理员准确了解她想要哪张艾米·格兰特圣诞专辑。
No. Cindy (SINGING) Mary, did you know that your baby boy--
不。辛迪（唱歌）玛丽，你知道吗，你的宝贝儿子——
Oh, I've heard the song.
哦，我听过这首歌。
Ira Glass That same day on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation in Montana, at the Medicine Spring Library, a woman asked the librarian, Aaron Lafromboise, if they have anything on the Motokiks, the traditional women's society in the tribe.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 同一天，在蒙大拿州黑脚印第安人保留地的 Medicine Spring 图书馆，一名妇女询问图书管理员亚伦·拉弗罗姆博伊斯 (Aaron Lafromboise)，他们是否有关于 Motokiks（部落中传统妇女社团）的任何资料。
You know, I don't know if there's anything actually written about Motokik.
你知道，我不知道是否有任何关于 Motokik 的文章。
Yeah.
是的。
Aaron Lafromboise Yeah, one of my aunties is in there.
Aaron Lafromboise 是的，我的一位阿姨就在那里。
And so when I got my Indian name, she sang me an honor song from the Motokiks.
因此，当我得到我的印度名字时，她给我唱了一首 Motokiks 的荣誉歌曲。
So it was really amazing.
所以这真的很神奇。
Really?
真的吗？
Aaron Lafromboise So I'm thinking you might have to search a little more.
Aaron Lafromboise 所以我想你可能需要再搜索一下。
They look for books together and don't find much.
他们一起找书，但没找到多少书。
The books are written mostly by non-natives and men, which can I say?
这些书大部分是由非本地人和男性写的，我可以说吗？
Good example of cultural hegemony.
文化霸权的好例子。
Same afternoon, on the other side of the country in the Jackson Heights branch of the Queens Public Library in New York City, upstairs in the children's section, high school kids hide out on the floors of the stacks.
同一天下午，在美国的另一边，纽约市皇后区公共图书馆杰克逊高地分馆楼上的儿童区，高中生们躲在书库的地板上。
A teenager by the computers downloads an immigration form, I suppose, for her parents.
我想，电脑旁的一个青少年正在为她的父母下载一份移民表格。
This is, everybody says, the most ethnically-mixed neighborhood in Queens, with books in English, Spanish, Chinese, Korean Urdu, Hindi, and more.
大家都说，这是皇后区种族最混杂的社区，有英语、西班牙语、中文、韩语、乌尔都语、印地语等书籍。
Two happily confident third graders, named Katherine and Adam, friends from the libraries after school program, Stacks, walk up to the librarian with a request.
两个快乐自信的三年级学生凯瑟琳和亚当是图书馆课后项目“斯塔克斯”的朋友，他们向图书管理员提出了一个请求。
I want to know that any books have words but no pictures.
我想知道有哪些书是有文字但没有图片的。
Most of our books have at least a little picture.
我们大多数的书都至少有一张小图片。
Even the chapter books have drawings at the start of each chapter, the librarian explains.
图书管理员解释说，即使是章节书，每一章的开头都有图画。
The kids let her know that this is acceptable.
孩子们让她知道这是可以接受的。
Not ideal, but acceptable.
不理想，但可以接受。
I want to have a book with a challenge reading because-- do you know I'm almost fifth grade?
我想要一本有挑战性的书，因为——你知道我快五年级了吗？
No, you're third grade.
不，你才三年级。
How can you be almost fifth grade?
你怎么可能快五年级了？
But I want a really challenge.
但我想要一个真正的挑战。
I want a challenging one.
我想要一个有挑战性的。
And I think I know there's a one here.
我想我知道这里有一个。
Can you go to the front over there?
你能到前面去吗？
He marches the librarian towards the books for older kids.
他带领图书管理员走向为大孩子准备的书籍。
Best as I can figure out, Adam somehow got it into his head that day that he had just had it with picture books.
据我所知，亚当那天莫名其妙地认为他刚刚受够了图画书。
And as soon as he said this, Katherine was like, oh, me too.
他一说这句话，凯瑟琳就说，哦，我也是。
Though once Adam walked away, she told me it was her own independent decision.
尽管亚当离开后，她告诉我这是她自己的独立决定。
It's that now that I'm bigger, I don't want to really have more pictures.
就是现在我长大了，我真的不想再拍更多的照片了。
I want to mostly just use my imaginations for reading.
我主要想发挥我的想象力来阅读。
People use the library for so much more than books, though.
不过，人们使用图书馆的目的不仅仅是书籍。
In just that one Monday, the five of us who went out to record, we witnessed a woman printing out fliers to find her lost dog.
就在那个星期一，我们五个人出去录制，我们目睹了一位女士打印传单寻找她丢失的狗。
We witnessed old people getting help with their email.
我们目睹了老年人在电子邮件方面获得帮助。
One librarian told me that in her job, you really get in touch with just how many people really do not know how to use computers at all.
一位图书管理员告诉我，在她的工作中，你真的会接触到有多少人根本不知道如何使用计算机。
We saw a homeless guy research apartments he might be able to afford.
我们看到一个无家可归的人研究他可能买得起的公寓。
We heard about power tools you could check out to do your home improvements when you have a place and lights for seasonal affective disorder you can check out.
我们听说，当您有地方可以使用电动工具来改善房屋时，并且可以使用治疗季节性情感障碍的灯。
A library got on the phone and then arranged for a patron to get a new walker and get it delivered to him.
一家图书馆接到电话，然后安排一位顾客购买一个新的助行器并将其交付给他。
Will you be there between 5:00 and 7:00 tonight?
今晚 5:00 到 7:00 之间您会在那儿吗？
Yes.
是的。
Librarian 4 Yes.
图书管理员 4 是的。
5:00 and 7:00 tonight works.
今晚5:00和7:00上班。
The librarian from suburban Detroit that I spoke with, Annie Spence, described libraries the best, I thought.
我认为，与我交谈过的来自底特律郊区的图书管理员安妮·斯彭斯 (Annie Spence) 对图书馆的描述最为到位。
I always say that it's the only place-- well, it's one of the last places you can go that you don't have to buy or believe in anything to come in.
我总是说，这是唯一一个你可以去的地方，你不必购买或相信任何东西就可以进入。
You can just come, and we'll help you, no matter what your question is.
您来就可以，无论您有什么问题，我们都会帮助您。
We'll try to figure it out with you.
我们会尽力与您一起解决这个问题。
In the Harry Potter books, there's this place called the Room of Requirement.
在《哈利·波特》系列中，有一个地方叫做有求必应屋。
The way it works is you walk three times in front of this certain patch of wall at Hogwarts, thinking, like, I really need a coffee.
它的工作原理是，你在霍格沃茨的这块墙前走了三遍，心想，我真的需要一杯咖啡。
And then suddenly in that room a coffee shop will appear.
然后突然间在那个房间里会出现一家咖啡店。
Or, I need a place to make my magic potion in secret, and then a room with all the ingredients for your magic potion will appear.
或者，我需要一个地方来秘密制作我的魔法药水，然后就会出现一个房间，里面有你的魔法药水的所有成分。
Libraries are like that.
图书馆就是这样。
But in real life.
但在现实生活中。
That's what they do.
这就是他们所做的。
And today on our program, we have stories of very unlikely uses for these Rooms of Requirement, all driven by people who want something very, very specialized.
今天在我们的节目中，我们讲述了这些有求必应屋的不太可能的用途，所有这些都是由那些想要非常非常专业的东西的人推动的。
Something which, in every single story in today's show, the library is able to deliver.
在今天节目中的每一个故事中，图书馆都能提供一些东西。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, In Praise of Limbo.
第一幕，赞美地狱边境。
So we start our show today with a library in a very unusual place, and with people who want something very unusual from that library.
因此，我们今天的节目从一个位于非常不寻常的地方的图书馆开始，人们也想从这个图书馆得到一些非常不寻常的东西。
Zoe Chace explains.
佐伊·查斯解释道。
The library sits on the border between Canada and the US.
该图书馆位于加拿大和美国边境。
I mean, literally on the border.
我的意思是，字面意思是在边界上。
Like there's a faded black line running along the floor to show you which country you're in.
就像地板上有一条褪色的黑线告诉你你所在的国家/地区。
The books are mostly in Canada.
这些书大多在加拿大。
The front door is in America.
前门在美国。
So entering from the US is easy.
所以从美国入境很容易。
But if you're coming from the Canadian side, to get to the door, you have to venture for about 20 yards into American territory on an American sidewalk.
但如果您从加拿大一侧过来，要到门口，您必须在美国人行道上冒险进入美国领土约 20 码。
How can you tell you've crossed over?
怎么才能看出自己穿越了呢？
Flower pots.
花盆。
A row of flower pots.
一排花盆。
Yeganeh Torbati is a Reuters reporter who was there recently.
Yeganeh Torbati 是最近到过那里的路透社记者。
So the flower pots are there to demarcate the border between the United States and Canada.
所以花盆的存在是为了划分美国和加拿大之间的边界。
It's just-- it's like, sorry, we just have to show you that this little line exists, but we're trying to make it as sweet as possible.
就好像，抱歉，我们只需向您展示这条小线的存在，但我们正在努力使其尽可能甜蜜。
And in the spring, those flower pots are blooming, and it's quite beautiful.
而到了春天，那些花盆里都开了花，相当漂亮。
Of course, when I was there, it was quite dead.
当然，我去的时候，那里已经死了。
So it's really just a line of flower pots with dirt in them.
所以它实际上只是一排里面有泥土的花盆。
The place is kind of famous, gets tourists.
这个地方有点名气，吸引游客。
When Barack Obama was speaking during a state visit from the Canadian Prime Minister, he mentioned the library as this harmonious symbol of Canadian-US ties.
当巴拉克·奥巴马在加拿大总理国事访问期间发表讲话时，他提到图书馆是加美关系的和谐象征。
A library is an inherently welcoming place.
图书馆本质上是一个受欢迎的地方。
Its whole ethos is this is for everybody.
它的整体精神是适合所有人。
That's the spirit of this library in two countries at once.
这就是这个同时在两个国家建立的图书馆的精神。
That's not why we're talking about it, though.
但这不是我们谈论它的原因。
We're talking about something happening inside the library that's making things kind of tense.
我们正在谈论图书馆内发生的一些事情，这让事情变得有点紧张。
That's why Yeganeh was there.
这就是 Yeganeh 在那里的原因。
She covers immigration.
她负责移民事务。
She's been writing about the travel ban since January 2017.
自 2017 年 1 月以来，她一直在撰写有关旅行禁令的文章。
And the list of countries has changed as the ban has changed.
随着禁令的变化，国家名单也发生了变化。
But Iran?
但伊朗呢？
Iran has always been on the list of banned countries.
伊朗一直在被禁止的国家名单上。
There are a lot of Iranian students in the US here on single-entry visas.
有很多持单次入境签证在美国的伊朗学生。
Single-entry means if they leave, they can't just turn around and re-enter.
单次入境意味着如果他们离开，他们不能掉头重新进入。
They can't go home to see their families.
他们不能回家看望家人。
And because of the travel ban, their families can't visit them here, so there's no way for them to see each other.
而且由于旅行禁令，他们的家人无法来这里探望他们，所以他们也没有办法见面。
But Iranians can get to Canada, and this library is in Canada.
但伊朗人可以去加拿大，而且这个图书馆就在加拿大。
And Iranian students in America can get to this library because this library is also in America.
在美国的伊朗学生可以去这个图书馆，因为这个图书馆也在美国。
So that's what they've been doing, meeting at this library in two countries at once.
这就是他们一直在做的事情，同时在两个国家的图书馆见面。
Yeganeh went up there and waited outside the library on a Saturday morning.
周六早上，耶加内去了图书馆外面等候。
Almost immediately, this woman walked in, who herself was an Iranian student.
几乎立刻，这位女士就走了进来，她本人就是一名伊朗学生。
And she was dressed for the winter weather and in a winter coat.
她穿着冬衣，适合冬天的天气。
And she looked kind of anxious, and I could kind of tell that she's Iranian.
她看起来有点焦虑，我可以看出她是伊朗人。
And so I started talking to her, and she said that yes, indeed, she was trying to meet her parents.
于是我开始和她说话，她说是的，确实，她想见见她的父母。
They spoke in Persian.
他们用波斯语交谈。
Yeganeh is Iranian-American, actually.
事实上，耶加内是伊朗裔美国人。
Her parents came here as students.
她的父母作为学生来到这里。
And I had earlier saw her being questioned by US border patrol agents.
我早些时候看到她被美国边境巡逻人员盘问。
And so I asked her what had happened in those interactions because I had heard that border patrol agents were objecting to these reunions and were at times trying to stop people from carrying them out.
所以我问她这些互动中发生了什么，因为我听说边境巡逻人员反对这些聚会，有时还试图阻止人们进行聚会。
But she said that they questioned her, they examined her documents, and they asked her if she was here to see her family.
但她说，他们审问了她，检查了她的文件，还问她是否来这里见家人。
And she said yes, and they said great, that's very normal.
她说是的，他们说很好，这很正常。
A lot of people do it.
很多人都这样做。
And they let her into the library.
他们让她进入图书馆。
And then maybe about 10, 15 minutes after she first arrived, I kind of hear this bit of commotion.
然后大约在她第一次到达后 10、15 分钟，我听到了一点骚动。
The door of the library is like pretty creaky, and old, and kind of noisy.
图书馆的门很破旧，吱吱作响，而且有点吵。
And these three or four people come in.
而这三四个人也进来了。
We were in the second reading room, furthest from the door.
我们在第二个阅览室，离门最远。
And you just see this woman in a headscarf and a winter coat, and she just starts rushing in.
你只看到这个戴着头巾、穿着冬衣的女人，她就开始冲进来。
And her daughter gets up from the table where I was sitting with her and walks over to her really quickly, and they just embrace.
她的女儿从我和她坐在一起的桌子上站起来，很快走到她身边，他们就拥抱了。
And immediately, tears are flowing.
随即，泪水就流了下来。
And it's just this really intense and very intimate and private moment.
这就是这个非常激烈、非常亲密和私密的时刻。
But there was no loud crying.
但没有大声哭喊。
There was no sobbing.
没有哭泣。
There was no loud talking
没有大声说话
[LAUGHS] Yeah.
[笑]是的。
It's just this subdued environment, and they're trying to-- they're both expressing all their emotions, but also trying to fit them into the space.
正是在这种柔和的环境中，他们试图表达自己所有的情感，但也试图将它们融入到这个空间中。
Around this family are kids with headphones on, on computers, parents with kids in the children's reading room.
在这个家庭周围，孩子们戴着耳机，在玩电脑，父母带着孩子在儿童阅览室里。
All the library stuff is happening.
所有图书馆的事情都在发生。
The librarians stay out of the way, which seems like an acquiescence to these meetings, but there are these new signs up around lately.
图书馆员不予干涉，这似乎是对这些会议的默许，但最近出现了这些新的标志。
No eating, no packages, and no family meetings.
不准吃饭，不准带包裹，也不准举行家庭会议。
Yeganeh heard that the US and Canadian authorities had threatened to shut the library down, and she asked them about it.
耶加内听说美国和加拿大当局威胁要关闭图书馆，她向他们询问了此事。
The Canadians denied it.
加拿大人否认了这一点。
The US had no comment.
美国没有发表评论。
In the library, Yeganeh sees families ignore the signs.
在图书馆里，耶加内看到家人忽视了这些标志。
This student flew from Michigan.
该学生从密歇根州飞来。
Her family came from Iran for only a few hours together.
她的家人从伊朗过来，只待了几个小时。
It seems crazy.
看起来很疯狂。
And then around, I want to say 11:00, another Iranian family entered.
然后，我想说 11:00 左右，另一个伊朗家庭进来了。
It's been three years since this mother has seen her son.
这位母亲已经三年没有见到她的儿子了。
She and her husband come in with their other son, who lives in Canada now.
她和她的丈夫带着现在住在加拿大的另一个儿子进来。
He and his brother look like twins.
他和他的兄弟看起来就像双胞胎。
These parents have been visiting their son in Canada for weeks.
这对父母已经去加拿大探望他们的儿子几个星期了。
And all this time, they've been trying to figure out, is there any way we can see our other son who lives in Ohio?
一直以来，他们一直在想办法，我们有什么办法可以见到住在俄亥俄州的另一个儿子吗？
They couldn't solve it, but just before the parents were scheduled to fly back to Iran, they heard about the library, and everyone rushed there for a few hours.
他们无法解决，但就在父母计划飞回伊朗之前，他们听说了图书馆的事，大家都赶到了那里几个小时。
That was also really emotional.
那也是非常感人的。
I didn't see the exact moment of their embrace, but I saw their goodbye.
我没有看到他们拥抱的具体时刻，但我看到了他们的告别。
And that was very difficult to watch.
这很难看。
What happened?
发生了什么？
Yeganeh Torbati So the brother who's living in the United States, he hugged his mother, and you can just see him sobbing into her shoulder.
Yeganeh Torbati 所以，住在美国的兄弟，他拥抱了他的母亲，你可以看到他靠在她的肩膀上抽泣。
Then they separate, and she has this very tear-stained face and is putting her coat and scarf back on.
然后他们分开了，她的脸上满是泪痕，正在重新穿上外套和围巾。
And then he hugs his father and, again, buries his face in his shoulder.
然后他拥抱了父亲，再次将脸埋在父亲的肩膀上。
And the father, I heard him say to his son, take care of yourself.
而父亲，我听到他对儿子说，照顾好自己。
Please take care of yourself.
请照顾好自己。
A lot of these families talk every day, multiple times a day.
很多这样的家庭每天都会谈话，一天多次。
Like they know exactly how the other person is doing, what's going on in their life.
就像他们确切地知道对方在做什么，他们的生活中发生了什么。
But still, they fly, rent a car, drive to the border.
但他们仍然飞，租一辆车，开车去边境。
Shirin Estahbanati, another student, drove up from New York to see her parents who'd flown from Iran.
另一位学生 Shirin Estahbanati 从纽约开车来看望从伊朗飞来的父母。
Reuters put up a video of her interview about the visit.
路透社发布了一段关于她这次访问的采访视频。
Shirin is this glowing, young face.
希琳是这张容光焕发、年轻的脸。
Her emotions are just written right across it.
她的情绪就写在上面。
Her dad had had a heart attack recently.
她的父亲最近心脏病发作。
She was so anxious to see him.
她非常渴望见到他。
I don't know.
我不知道。
The time I was just hugging my parents, I was thinking, I wish I could stop all clocks all over the world.
当我拥抱父母的时候，我在想，我希望我能停止世界上所有的时钟。
I can't explain how tough it was, especially about my dad.
我无法解释这是多么艰难，尤其是我父亲。
I thought even he is shorter than the time I left.
我想连他离开的时间都比我短。
I don't know.
我不知道。
The time he met me, he started smelling me, and he was like, I miss your smell.
当他见到我的时候，他开始闻我的味道，他说，我想念你的味道。
So-- [SNIFFLES]
所以——[抽鼻子]
I'd been thinking of the idea of this show, of libraries as the magical Room of Requirement from Harry Potter.
我一直在思考这个节目的想法，把图书馆想象成《哈利·波特》中神奇的有求必应屋。
I think this is exactly that.
我认为正是如此。
Like imagine these Iranian students in America, thinking, I need a magical place that is somehow in America but also outside it.
就像想象这些在美国的伊朗学生一样，他们想，我需要一个神奇的地方，它既在美国境内，又在美国之外。
It seems like an impossible one.
这似乎是不可能的。
It's like a very particular only at this time in America would this exact requirement exist.
这就像一个非常特殊的情况，只有在美国这个时候才会存在这种确切的要求。
And a room appeared, a reading room.
一个房间出现了，一间阅览室。
Zoe Chace, who's one of the producers of our show.
佐伊·查斯（Zoe Chace），我们节目的制片人之一。
Act Two, Book Fishing in America.
第二幕，《美国钓鱼》一书。
OK, so our program today, of course, is about people who want libraries to satisfy some very deep, and sometimes, very idiosyncratic desires.
好的，当然，我们今天的节目是关于那些希望图书馆满足一些非常深刻的、有时非常特殊的愿望的人们。
And the people in this act, they wish for a library that can give them something that only ever existed inside the pages of a book.
而参与这一活动的人们，他们希望有一个图书馆能够为他们提供只存在于书本中的东西。
Sean Cole, tell us what happened.
肖恩·科尔，告诉我们发生了什么事。
There's this book I've always really loved, a novel by Richard Brautigan.
我一直很喜欢这本书，是理查德·布劳蒂根（Richard Brautigan）的小说。
If you haven't heard of him, he was a really funny, almost surreal, hippyish writer in the '60s and '70s, probably best known for the book, Trout Fishing in America, a very short and deeply experimental piece of fiction, part travelogue, part fever dream.
如果你没有听说过他，他是 60 年代和 70 年代一位非常有趣、近乎超现实的嬉皮士作家，最出名的可能是《在美国钓鳟鱼》一书，这是一部非常短的、深度实验性的小说，一半是游记，一半是狂热的梦想。
It's what made people cultish about Brautigan.
这就是人们崇拜布劳蒂根的原因。
A kid who went to my college legally changed his name to Trout Fishing In America.
一个在我大学上学的孩子合法地把名字改成了美国鳟鱼钓鱼。
But the novel I'm talking about is lesser known.
但我正在谈论的小说却鲜为人知。
It's called The Abortion, subtitle, An Historical Romance 1966.
它的名字叫《堕胎》，副标题是《1966 年的历史浪漫史》。
And it's not so much the story that gets me.
吸引我的并不是这个故事。
It's the setting.
这是设定。
It takes place in a library in San Francisco.
它发生在旧金山的一个图书馆。
But instead of coming to take books out of the library, people come to submit unpublished books they've written to the library, forever.
但人们不是来图书馆取书，而是永远向图书馆提交他们写的未出版的书。
The books are there to stay.
书就留在那里。
They can bring a book in anytime.
他们可以随时带书进来。
The library never closes.
图书馆从不关门。
And the librarian-- there is only one-- is always there to greet them.
图书馆员——只有一个——总是在那里迎接他们。
He lives at the library, and he's the narrator of the story.
他住在图书馆，是故事的叙述者。
This is from the first chapter.
这是从第一章开始的。
The librarian says, "We don't use the Dewey decimal classification or any index system to keep track of our books.
图书管理员说：“我们不使用杜威十进制分类法或任何索引系统来跟踪我们的图书。
We record their entrance into the library in the Library Contents Ledger, and then we give the book back to its author, who is free to place it anywhere he wants in the library, on whatever shelf catches his fancy.
我们将他们进入图书馆的情况记录在图书馆内容分类帐中，然后我们将书归还给作者，作者可以自由地将其放置在图书馆中任何他想要的地方，任何他喜欢的书架上。
It doesn't make any difference where a book is placed because nobody ever checks them out and nobody ever comes here to read them.
一本书放在哪里没有任何区别，因为没有人检查过它们，也没有人来这里阅读它们。
This is not that kind of library.
这不是那种图书馆。
This is another kind of library."
这是另一种图书馆。”
The librarian is reflexively polite and effusive.
图书管理员本能地彬彬有礼，热情洋溢。
He might say to someone, "I don't think we have a book like this in the entire library.
他可能会对某人说：“我认为整个图书馆都没有这样的书。
This is a first." He puts people at ease.
这是第一次。”他让人们感到轻松。
He says, "My clothes are not expensive but they are friendly and neat and my human presence is welcoming."
他说：“我的衣服并不昂贵，但它们友好而整洁，我的存在很受欢迎。”
Eventually, a woman comes in with a book, and she's very beautiful.
最后，一个女人拿着一本书进来了，她非常漂亮。
They fall in love.
他们相爱了。
She gets pregnant, but they're not ready to have a child.
她怀孕了，但他们还没有准备好生孩子。
So because this takes place in 1966, the two of them travel to Mexico to get an abortion, which is why the novel is called The Abortion.
因为故事发生在1966年，两人前往墨西哥堕胎，这就是小说被称为《堕胎》的原因。
But just the spectacle of this library, it's hilarious, and heartbreaking, and democratic, and other-dimensional all at the same time.
但光是这个图书馆的奇观，它就既搞笑又令人心碎，又民主又具有其他维度。
Brautigan imagined a great anonymous wash of humanity marching through, with a lot on its mind.
布劳蒂根想象着一场伟大的、匿名的人类大清洗，带着很多想法。
Kind of the Utopian ideal of the public square, except completely silent, all written down on rows and rows of unread books.
有点像公共广场的乌托邦理想，除了完全沉默之外，所有的一切都写在成排的未读书籍上。
The librarian says the main purpose of the library is, quote, "to gather pleasantly together the unwanted, the lyrical and haunted volumes of American writing." And when you talk to other people who've read The Abortion, the conversation usually winds its way to this one chapter.
图书管理员说，图书馆的主要目的是“愉快地收集不需要的、抒情的和闹鬼的美国著作”。当你和其他读过《堕胎》的人交谈时，谈话通常会绕到这一章。
Yeah.
是的。
Sean Cole This is Todd Lockwood, a photographer and music producer in Burlington, Vermont.
肖恩·科尔 这是托德·洛克伍德，佛蒙特州伯灵顿的一名摄影师和音乐制作人。
I'll tell you why I got in touch with him in a minute.
我稍后会告诉你为什么我会联系他。
"The 23" is essentially a list of all 23 books that came into the library this one particular day, by little kids, old people.
“23 本书”本质上是在某一天进入图书馆的所有 23 本书的清单，作者是小孩和老人。
And the chapter's made up of just little descriptions of the 23 books that the librarian wrote down in his ledger.
本章仅对图书管理员记在账本上的 23 本书进行了一些简短的描述。
There's one called It's the Queen of Darkness, Pal, a science fiction novel written by sewer worker.
有一本叫《帕尔，黑暗女王》，是下水道工人写的科幻小说。
There's a book called Leather Clothes and the History of Man, which is somehow entirely made of leather.
有一本名为《皮衣与人类历史》的书，不知何故完全由皮革制成。
Not just the binding, but the pages.
不仅仅是装订，还有页面。
Richard Brautigan himself comes into the library with a book called Moose.
理查德·布劳蒂根本人带着一本名为《驼鹿》的书走进图书馆。
And a doctor comes in looking, quote, "doctory and very nervous," with a book entitled The Need for Legalized Abortion.
一位医生带着一本名为《堕胎合法化的必要性》的书进来查看，引用他的话说，“医生非常紧张”。
I asked Todd what some of his favorites were, and he pointed to this one.
我问托德他最喜欢什么，他指出了这个。
Just the title alone is just wonderful.
光是标题就已经很精彩了。
It's called Bacon Death by Marcia Patterson.
玛西娅·帕特森（Marcia Patterson）将其称为《培根之死》。
"The author was a totally nondescript young woman except for the look of anguish on her face.
“作者是一位完全不起眼的年轻女性，除了脸上露出痛苦的表情。
She handed me this fantastically greasy book and fled the library in terror.
她递给我这本极其油腻的书，然后惊恐地逃离了图书馆。
The book actually looked like a pound of bacon.
这本书实际上看起来像一磅培根。
I was going to open it and see what it was about, but I changed my mind.
我本来想打开它看看里面写的是什么，但我改变了主意。
I didn't know whether to fry the book or put it on the shelf.
我不知道该把这本书炒了还是束之高阁。
Being a librarian here is sometimes a challenge."
在这里担任图书管理员有时是一个挑战。”
Todd first read The Abortion when it came out in the early '70s.
托德第一次阅读《堕胎》是在 70 年代初出版的时候。
A friend of his gave it to him with a little inscription that said, "This book will change your life."
他的一位朋友送给他这本书，上面写着：“这本书将改变你的生活。”
And that turned out to be more than prophetic.
事实证明，这不仅仅是预言。
He ended up reading it about once a year for the next 15 years.
在接下来的 15 年里，他大约每年都会读一次这本书。
And every time I'd read it, I'd get the same feeling from it.
而且每次读到它，我都会有同样的感受。
First thing I would say to myself is, when is somebody going to build this library?
我要对自己说的第一件事是，什么时候有人会建立这个图书馆？
When is somebody going to do this?
什么时候有人会这么做？
To eventually becoming, when am I going to do this?
为了最终成为，我什么时候才能做到这一点？
A real life library for unpublished books submitted by their authors.
现实生活中的图书馆，存放作者提交的未出版书籍。
A home for anything anyone felt a burning need to express, or explain, or somehow get off their chests.
任何人都迫切需要表达、解释或以某种方式倾诉的地方，这里都是一个家。
Todd dreamed for years about one day creating a place like that.
托德多年来一直梦想着有一天能创建一个这样的地方。
And there was clearly a desire for it.
显然有这样的愿望。
In The Abortion, Brautigan gives an address for his fictional library.
在《堕胎》中，布劳蒂根给出了他虚构的图书馆的地址。
3150 Sacramento Street, San Francisco, California, 94115, which is the real life address of the Presidio branch of the San Francisco Public Library.
3150 Sacramento Street, San Francisco, California, 94115，这是旧金山公共图书馆 Presidio 分馆的真实地址。
So for a while, people were actually sending their unpublished manuscripts there and had to be informed, this is not that kind of library.
所以有一段时间，人们实际上将未出版的手稿发送到那里，并且必须被告知，这不是那种图书馆。
This is a normal kind of library
这是一个普通的图书馆
Anyway, Todd kept putting off his dream, thinking, I'll put that library together someday.
不管怎样，托德一直推迟他的梦想，心想，有一天我会把那个图书馆组装起来。
And then two things happened, the first one being very tragic.
然后发生了两件事，第一件事非常悲惨。
Oh, my God.
我的天啊。
Todd Lockwood --in 1989.
托德·洛克伍德——1989 年。
This was the United DC-10 that went down in Sioux City, Iowa.
这就是在爱荷华州苏城坠毁的联合航空 DC-10 飞机。
So losing a sibling is one of those things that really causes you to look at the things that you've done in your life and ask yourself, are these really the best things I can be doing right now?
因此，失去兄弟姐妹是真正让你审视自己一生中所做的事情并问自己的事情之一，这些真的是我现在能做的最好的事情吗？
And so at any rate, about a month and a half or two months after the crash, I thought, you know what?
无论如何，在事故发生后大约一个半月或两个月，我想，你知道吗？
I need to just get away from this constant sorrow here and take myself to the movies.
我需要摆脱这里持续不断的悲伤，带自己去看电影。
And there was this movie that had come out earlier that year that Todd hadn't seen yet, a Kevin Costner vehicle about an Iowa farmer who plows up his corn to build a baseball diamond.
那年早些时候，托德还没有看过一部凯文·科斯特纳的电影，讲述了爱荷华州一位农民犁地玉米建造棒球场的故事。
(WHISPERING) If you build it, he will come.
（低声）如果你建造它，他就会来。
So I went to see Field of Dreams, and about halfway into that film, it became really obvious to me that Brautigan's library is my baseball field.
所以我去看了《梦想之地》，大约看了一半，我才意识到布劳蒂根的图书馆就是我的棒球场。
If I build it, people will come.
如果我建造它，人们就会来。
It wasn't even before the movie was over that that struck you?
电影结束之前，你还没有被震撼到吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, as soon as that part of the film started to unfold, I was just astounded at the parallel.
是的，当电影的这一部分开始展开时，我对其中的相似之处感到震惊。
I was like, this is weird.
我当时想，这很奇怪。
I felt literally as if I'm supposed to be sitting here right now watching this.
我真的感觉好像我现在就应该坐在这里看这个。
This is all part of a big plan.
这都是一个大计划的一部分。
Which, if you remember, is exactly the way Kevin Costner's character felt in the movie.
如果你还记得的话，这正是凯文·科斯特纳饰演的角色在电影中的感受。
And I'm not a person that gets too caught up in the metaphysical aspects of life.
我不是一个太沉迷于生活的形而上学方面的人。
But when I stepped outside the theater afterward, I just--
但当我后来走出剧院时，我只是——
I feel it as strongly as I've ever felt anything in my life.
我对这一点的感受是我一生中从未有过的强烈感受。
I'd never felt so sure about anything in my life.
我一生中从未对任何事情感到如此确定。
Todd immediately started calling around, putting a board of advisors together, appealing for funding.
托德立即开始四处打电话，组建了一个顾问委员会，呼吁提供资金。
It took about half a year.
大约花了半年的时间。
And then finally--
然后最后——
And around here on the side is our entrance.
旁边就是我们的入口。
--the library opened its doors in Burlington, Vermont in 1990.
——图书馆于 1990 年在佛蒙特州伯灵顿开业。
This tape is from a BBC Radio story that aired a few years in.
这盘磁带摘自几年前播出的 BBC 广播电台故事。
Todd led the producers past The Vermont Institute of Massage Therapy--
托德带领制片人经过佛蒙特州按摩疗法研究所——
And here we are.
我们到了。
Sean Cole --to a modest wooden building, outfitted with comfy chairs and shelves for the books.
肖恩·科尔——一座朴素的木结构建筑，配有舒适的椅子和书架。
A swinging placard out front said, in capital letters--
前面有一块摇摆的标语牌，用大写字母写着——
The Brautigan Library.
布劳蒂根图书馆。
Sean Cole And underneath that, the words, "A Very Public Library."
肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 在其下面写着“一个非常公共的图书馆”。
[DOOR CLOSING] Now it's one thing to adapt a piece of fiction into a movie.
[关门]现在将小说改编成电影是一回事。
It's another thing to adapt a piece of fiction into a library.
将小说改编成图书馆则是另一回事。
As soon as they started talking about how The Brautigan Library would work in real life, Todd and his advisors and volunteers realized that they were going to need to make some concessions, such as whereas in the novel, there's just one librarian, in real life, there were many.
当他们开始谈论布劳蒂根图书馆在现实生活中如何运作时，托德和他的顾问和志愿者意识到他们需要做出一些让步，比如在小说中，只有一个图书馆员，而在现实生活中，有很多。
All volunteer, and none of them lived there.
都是志愿者，而且没有人住在那里。
Certainly never impregnated anyone there, or not to Todd's knowledge.
肯定没有让那里的任何人怀孕，或者据托德所知。
And unlike in the novel, the books were almost exclusively submitted by mail.
与小说不同的是，这些书几乎都是通过邮件提交的。
And the authors had to kick in a little money, $25 or so, to cover the cost of binding their manuscripts.
作者必须投入一点钱，大约 25 美元，来支付装订手稿的费用。
And people actually came to read the books, from all over the country.
人们实际上是从全国各地来读书的。
I was sitting there one day, and a couple comes in the front door.
有一天我坐在那里，一对夫妇从前门进来。
And they announce, we're here!
他们宣布，我们在这里！
And I said, well, welcome.
我说，好吧，欢迎。
Where are you from?
你从哪来？
And this couple had flown from Houston for the weekend, specifically to hang out in The Brautigan Library for a couple of days.
这对夫妇从休斯顿飞来度周末，专门去布劳蒂根图书馆闲逛了几天。
Stop it.
停止吧。
Todd Lockwood And we had many of those.
Todd Lockwood 我们有很多这样的人。
Probably because of the barrage of media stories about the library.
可能是因为媒体对图书馆的报道层出不穷。
New York Times, Wall Street Journal, a wire story that got picked up by hundreds of papers across the country.
《纽约时报》、《华尔街日报》的一篇连线报道被全国数百家报纸转载。
Everyone treated it as a quirky human interest story.
每个人都把它当作一个离奇的人文故事。
The first and, at the time, only library for unpublished books, which started off as a piece of make-believe in a weirdo novel written 20 years beforehand.
第一个也是当时唯一一个收藏未出版书籍的图书馆，最初是 20 年前写的一部怪异小说中的一段虚构内容。
There was a ledger the librarians used, but they didn't write down descriptions of the books that came in.
图书馆员使用了一个分类账，但他们没有写下入库书籍的描述。
Rather they wrote down descriptions of the people that came in.
相反，他们写下了进来的人的描述。
This is from that BBC story.
这是来自 BBC 的故事。
This is March 20, '93.
这是 93 年 3 月 20 日。
"A man stopped by from Washington.
“一个人从华盛顿过来。
'Is this the library?' he asked.
“这是图书馆吗？”他问道。
'Yes,' I said.
“是的，”我说。
'It's The Brautigan.' 'What's a Brautigan?
“这是布劳蒂根号。” '什么是布劳蒂根？
Is it the city library?' I told him it was a home for unpublished manuscripts.
是市图书馆吗？我告诉他这是未出版手稿的家。
'Why?' he asked.
“为什么？”他问道。
'So they can stay alive, and people can read them,' I said.
“这样它们就能活下来，人们也能读到它们，”我说。
He wasn't impressed.
他没有留下深刻的印象。
'Where's the real library?' he wanted to know.
“真正的图书馆在哪里？”他想知道。
'Same street, three blocks up.' He left."
“同一条街，三个街区之外。”他离开了。”
A lot of people have asked that question-- why?
很多人都问过这个问题——为什么？
And over the years, Todd has tended to give a pretty short and well-honed answer, almost like an artist statement.
多年来，托德倾向于给出一个非常简短且经过精心打磨的答案，几乎就像一个艺术家的陈述。
In fact, he used almost exactly the same words with the BBC producers in 1993, as he did with me in 2018.
事实上，他在 1993 年对 BBC 制片人使用的措辞几乎与 2018 年对我使用的措辞一模一样。
The beauty of it is that it doesn't make sense.
它的美妙之处在于它没有意义。
For me, one of the beauties of this whole thing was that it didn't make any sense.
对我来说，这整件事的美妙之处之一就是它没有任何意义。
It was illogical.
这是不合逻辑的。
Todd Lockwood Yeah.
托德·洛克伍德 是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Just like in Field of Dreams, where he says, I have done something completely illogical.
就像他在《梦想之地》中说的那样，我做了一些完全不合逻辑的事情。
Right.
正确的。
Right.
正确的。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Ray Kinsetta I have just created something totally illogical.
Ray Kinsetta 我刚刚创造了一些完全不合逻辑的东西。
That's what I like about it.
这就是我喜欢它的原因。
Sean Cole It's what I liked about Todd's library, and it's what I'd always loved about the library in the novel, the fictional one.
肖恩·科尔：这就是我喜欢托德图书馆的原因，也是我一直喜欢小说中的图书馆的原因，虚构的图书馆。
It wasn't just illogical.
这不仅仅是不合逻辑的。
It was impossible.
这是不可能的。
And I loved sitting with the librarian in that impossible place, surrounded by books that only he and the people who wrote them knew about.
我喜欢和图书管理员一起坐在那个不可能的地方，周围都是只有他和写这些书的人才知道的书。
So for someone to transform an imaginary magical place I loved into an actual location I could maybe visit one day, it was like finding out there was a real life chocolate factory, like the one Charlie visited, or a wardrobe that opened up unto a forest with talking animals in it.
因此，对于有人将我喜欢的想象中的神奇地方改造成我有一天可能会参观的实际地点，就像发现现实生活中存在一家巧克力工厂，就像查理参观过的那样，或者是一个通往森林的衣柜，里面有会说话的动物。
But there was something else, something stranger, that The Brautigan Library had in common with Field of Dreams.
但布劳蒂根图书馆和梦想之地还有一些其他的、更奇怪的共同点。
The story goes like this.
故事是这样的。
In 1991, about a year after the library opened, the Bumbershoot Arts Festival in Seattle asked Todd if he wanted to set up a mini version of the library at the festival, an exhibit.
1991 年，也就是图书馆开放一年后，西雅图的 Bumbershoot 艺术节询问托德是否想在艺术节上举办一个迷你版的图书馆展览。
So Todd, his wife, and about 100 of the books they'd amassed up to that point got on a plane, flew out there, and set up shop in this indoor event space.
因此，托德、他的妻子以及他们迄今为止收集的大约 100 本书登上了飞机，飞到了那里，并在这个室内活动空间开设了商店。
And so first day at the exhibit, I'm showing people around.
因此，在展览的第一天，我就带人们四处参观。
And this gentleman walks up to me, and puts out his hand, and says, Hi, I'm Bill Kinsella, the author of Shoeless Joe, the book Field of Dreams was based on.
这位绅士走到我面前，伸出手说，嗨，我是比尔·金塞拉，《无鞋乔》的作者，这本书是根据《梦想之地》改编的。
No way.
决不。
No way.
决不。
Todd Lockwood And I was just dumbfounded.
托德·洛克伍德（Todd Lockwood） 我简直惊呆了。
I said, you have no idea how wildly fantastic it is that you are here right now.
我说，你不知道你现在在这里是多么美妙。
I said, if you hadn't have written that, I might never have stepped up to the plate and really done this.
我说，如果你没有写下那句话，我可能永远不会站出来真正做到这一点。
You just said, "stepped up to the plate."
你刚才说：“站起来吧。”
Oh.
哦。
[LAUGHS] Sean Cole It just so happened that Bill Kinsella, or WP Kinsella is what it says on his book jackets, was a featured speaker at Bumbershoot that year.
[笑] Sean Cole 碰巧的是，Bill Kinsella（或 WP Kinsella）（如他的书封套上所写）是当年 Bumbershoot 的特邀演讲者。
And he said, well.
他说，好吧。
He said, I've got one for you.
他说，我给你准备了一张。
Were it not for Richard Brautigan, I would never have written that book.
如果没有理查德·布劳蒂根，我永远不会写那本书。
No way.
决不。
Todd Lockwood In fact, he said I would never have gotten into being a fiction writer, were it not for Richard Brautigan.
托德·洛克伍德 事实上，他说，如果没有理查德·布劳蒂根，我永远不会成为一名小说作家。
This is the part of the story that when I tell it to people, their eyes get really wide.
这就是故事的一部分，当我把它讲给人们听时，他们的眼睛都睁得大大的。
The part where one twin in a fairy tale figures out why she's been wearing half a locket around her neck the entire time.
童话故事中的一对双胞胎弄清楚了为什么她脖子上一直挂着半个挂坠盒。
Todd hadn't known it, but no other writer had as much of an impact on Kinsella's life and career as Richard Brautigan.
托德并不知道，没有其他作家像理查德·布劳蒂根那样对金塞拉的生活和事业产生如此大的影响。
In 1985, Kinsella published a book of weird, vignettey short stories that he called his Brautigans.
1985 年，金塞拉出版了一本怪异、小插曲的短篇小说集，他称之为《Brautigans》。
He dedicated the collection to Richard Brautigan, including, in the dedication, a fan letter he'd written to Brautigan, in which he said, quote, "I have just written a novel about a man who drives from Iowa to New Hampshire, kidnaps JD Salinger, and takes him to a baseball game at Fenway Park.
他将该系列献给理查德·布劳蒂根，在致词中，包括他写给布劳蒂根的一封粉丝信，他在信中说：“我刚刚写了一本小说，讲述的是一个男人从爱荷华州开车到新罕布什尔州，绑架了 JD 塞林格，并带他去看芬威球场的棒球比赛。
He was talking about Shoeless Joe.
他正在谈论无鞋乔。
That was part of the plot.
这是情节的一部分。
And so you're both kind of shocked.
所以你们俩都有点震惊。
I'm imagining two shocked men.
我想象着两个震惊的男人。
Yeah, right.
是的，对。
[LAUGHING] I was like, perhaps someway or other, Brautigan himself is playing some sort of role in all this.
[笑]我当时想，也许以某种方式，布劳蒂根本人在这一切中扮演了某种角色。
That we're like marionettes, and he's up there just with a great big smile on his face, just having a blast, messing with the real world.
我们就像木偶，而他就在那里，脸上挂着灿烂的笑容，玩得很开心，扰乱了现实世界。
Or haunting it somehow, like he was saying, playfully, better not forget me.
或者以某种方式困扰着它，就像他开玩笑地说的那样，最好不要忘记我。
I wanted to talk with Bill Kinsella for this story, but he died in 2016 on September 16, the same day Richard Brautigan had died in 1984.
我想和比尔·金塞拉谈谈这个故事，但他于 2016 年 9 月 16 日去世，同一天理查德·布劳蒂根 (Richard Brautigan) 于 1984 年去世。
Both of them chose that day to end their lives.
两人都选择了这一天来结束自己的生命。
Kinsella was terminally ill and opted for doctor-assisted suicide, which is legal now in Canada, where he's from.
金塞拉身患绝症，选择了医生协助自杀，这在他的家乡加拿大现在是合法的。
Brautigan shot himself with a revolver.
布劳蒂根用左轮手枪开枪自杀。
The Brautigan Library chugged along in its original location for about six years.
布劳蒂根图书馆在原来的位置运转了大约六年。
But as Todd once wrote in an issue of the library newsletter, reality can be so clankingly real at times.
但正如托德曾经在图书馆时事通讯中所写的那样，现实有时是如此真实。
By 1996, fewer and fewer manuscripts were coming in.
到了 1996 年，收到的手稿越来越少。
Money was tight.
钱很紧张。
Here and there, Todd had to make ends meet with funds from his own bank account.
托德时不时地不得不用自己的银行账户里的资金来维持收支平衡。
And finally, the entire Brautigan Library was moved to a room in the Fletcher Free Library, the regular public library down the road in Burlington.
最后，整个布劳蒂根图书馆被搬到了弗莱彻免费图书馆的一个房间，弗莱彻免费图书馆是伯灵顿路上的常规公共图书馆。
It stopped accepting new books but people could still come and read the ones that existed.
它停止接受新书，但人们仍然可以来阅读现有的书。
10 years went by, and then the Fletcher Library decided it needed the space for other things.
十年过去了，弗莱彻图书馆决定需要空间来存放其他东西。
So all The Brautigan Library books, more than 300 of them, found themselves shrink wrapped on a wooden pallet in Todd Lockwood's basement.
因此，Brautigan 图书馆的所有书籍（其中 300 多本）都被收缩包装在托德·洛克伍德地下室的木托盘上。
And this is the moment in the library's history when I first heard about it.
这是我第一次听说图书馆历史上的时刻。
I've been wanting to tell this story and see the books for myself for about 10 years.
大约十年来，我一直想讲述这个故事并亲眼看看这本书。
But way back when Todd and I started talking about this, he said he needed to wait, that he was in negotiations with a couple of academic libraries that might be interested, couldn't do an interview until something was finalized, et cetera and so on.
但早在托德和我开始谈论这个问题时，他说他需要等待，他正在与几个可能感兴趣的学术图书馆进行谈判，在事情最终确定之前无法进行采访，等等。
Certainly the books weren't available to look at.
当然，这些书是看不到的。
I said I'd keep checking in, but I didn't.
我说过我会继续检查，但我没有。
And then this past summer, I started thinking about the library again.
然后去年夏天，我再次开始思考图书馆。
So I looked it up, and the library had finally found a new home in Vancouver, Washington, about 3,000 miles away from where it was born.
于是我查了一下，图书馆终于在华盛顿州温哥华找到了新家，距离它的诞生地大约有3000英里。
And it had a new librarian, John Barber, a professor at one of the universities in town.
它有一位新的图书管理员约翰·巴伯（John Barber），他是镇上一所大学的教授。
He led me down into the basement of the Clark County Historical Museum.
他带我走进克拉克县历史博物馆的地下室。
Wow.
哇。
John Barber These are all the manuscripts.
约翰·巴伯 这些是所有手稿。
Oh, my gosh.
哦，天哪。
Come to find, the manuscripts have been housed in this building since 2010, and John Barber was instrumental in making that happen.
事实证明，这些手稿自 2010 年以来一直存放在这座建筑中，约翰·巴伯 (John Barber) 在这件事上发挥了重要作用。
If there's such a thing as a Brautigan scholar, it's him.
如果有布劳蒂根学者这样的人的话，那就是他了。
He may know more about Richard Brautigan than anyone else alive.
他可能比任何活着的人都更了解理查德·布劳蒂根。
He was a student of Brautigan's and hung out with him.
他是布劳蒂根的学生并和他一起出去玩。
So naturally, he was a big supporter of the library from early on.
很自然地，他从一开始就是图书馆的大力支持者。
And when the library shut down, he was sad to think of all the books being mothballed in Todd's basement.
当图书馆关闭时，他很难过地想到所有的书都被封存在托德的地下室里。
Until finally, he just got inspired and organized to have them all moved to this place.
直到最后，他才灵机一动，组织起来，把他们全部搬到了这里。
And he's taken on the mantle of the librarian.
他承担了图书管理员的职责。
Also, I should say, Richard Brautigan once told me that he would haunt me.
另外，我应该说，理查德·布劳蒂根曾经告诉我，他会困扰我。
Yes.
是的。
Sean Cole This was in 1982, two years before Brautigan killed himself.
肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 这是 1982 年，即布劳蒂根自杀前两年。
Brautigan's friend, Nikki Arai, had just died of complications from cancer.
布劳蒂根的朋友尼基·阿拉伊 (Nikki Arai) 刚刚因癌症并发症去世。
And I said, you have your memories of her.
我说，你有关于她的记忆。
You could write about those memories.
你可以写下那些回忆。
You're a writer.
你是一名作家。
That's what you do.
这就是你要做的。
And he said, I don't write for therapy, and actually got really upset with me.
他说，我写作不是为了治疗，而且他真的对我很生气。
Then he said, but then again-- and he turned and walked away.
然后他说，但话又说回来——然后他转身走开了。
And he came back after a few minutes with a little slip of paper, on which he had written, "Where you are now, I will join you soon."
几分钟后他回来了，手里拿着一张小纸条，上面写着：“你现在所在的地方，我很快就会和你会合。”
After dinner and another bottle of whiskey, they went out to the yard and burned the note in a kind of ritual to send those words to Brautigan's friend.
晚餐和另一瓶威士忌后，他们走到院子里，以某种仪式烧掉了这张纸条，将这些话传达给布劳蒂根的朋友。
And I went home that night-- slowly because of all the whiskey-- and wrote about that experience.
那天晚上我回家了——因为喝了很多威士忌，所以很慢——并写下了那段经历。
And I showed it to him, and he said, if you ever show this to anybody before I'm dead, I will haunt you.
我把它拿给他看，他说，如果你在我死之前把它拿给任何人看，我会缠着你。
And I did.
我做到了。
And he does.
他确实做到了。
After all, John, for all intents and purposes, now inhabits a physical manifestation of an idea Brautigan had in his head.
毕竟，无论出于何种意图和目的，约翰现在都居住在布劳蒂根脑海中的想法的物理表现中。
And what's a little startling when you meet John is that he is the librarian from the novel.
当你见到约翰时，有点令人惊讶的是，他是小说中的图书管理员。
Like he's just like him.
就好像他和他一样。
His clothes are not expensive but friendly and neat, and his human presence welcoming.
他的衣服并不昂贵，但友好而整洁，他的人性化的存在也很受欢迎。
Yes, we look an awful lot alike.
是的，我们看起来非常相似。
Tall, mustache, glasses.
高个子，小胡子，眼镜。
He's reflexively polite and effusive.
他本能地彬彬有礼，热情洋溢。
I had all three meals with him the day we spent together.
我们一起度过的那天，我和他一起吃了三顿饭。
And each time, he said to the server, in all earnestness, "Thank you for your hospitality." Same as when the museum's director let us in early before it opened.
每次他都语重心长地对服务员说：“谢谢你们的热情招待。”就像博物馆馆长在开馆前提前让我们进去一样。
It's much smaller than I imagined somehow.
它比我想象的要小得多。
Well, there's that, certainly.
嗯，当然是这样。
There's 300-plus manuscripts that are associated with the library.
该图书馆有 300 多份手稿。
So we might actually say that it's small but mighty.
所以我们实际上可以说它虽小但功能强大。
Because each of these 300-plus manuscripts that we're standing in the middle of has dreams, and aspirations, memories, and hopes for the future associated with it.
因为我们面前的这 300 多份手稿中的每一份都有与之相关的梦想、愿望、记忆和对未来的希望。
In fact, it's just two long sets of bookshelves at one end of the museum's research library.
事实上，它只是博物馆研究图书馆一端的两组长书架。
And all of the books have the same plain black, brown, gray, or blue bindings.
所有的书都有相同的纯黑色、棕色、灰色或蓝色装订。
The host of that BBC piece said they looked like body bags for whatever was inside of them.
英国广播公司那篇文章的主持人说，它们看起来就像装尸袋，里面装着什么东西。
I really wonder how many of them were ever read cover to cover.
我真的很想知道其中有多少人被从头到尾读过。
I wanted to see if being in the library gave me the same feeling I had as when I read The Abortion.
我想看看在图书馆里是否给我带来了和读《堕胎》时一样的感觉。
And I have to say more and more, it really did feel like I had climbed into the pages of that novel, with its messy expanse of humanity marching through.
我不得不说，我确实感觉自己已经爬进了那本小说的书页，里面的人性杂乱无章。
Some of the books were silly.
有些书很愚蠢。
Others were mournfully nostalgic.
其他人则悲伤地怀旧。
Still others were deadly serious.
还有一些人的情况非常严重。
Which is about the lives of two teen girls in World War II Vienna.
这是关于二战时期维也纳两个少女的生活的。
Others promoted radical ideas.
其他人则提倡激进的想法。
Three Essays Advocating the Abolishing of Money.
三篇主张废除金钱的文章。
Almost 50 poetry collections.
诗集近50部。
I opened up one called I'd Be Your Roadkill, Baby.
我打开了一本叫做《我愿意成为你的马路杀手，宝贝》的书。
The poetry reading.
诗朗诵。
"He greased me with his words--" oh!
“他用他的话让我感到高兴——”哦！
OK, I can't say that on the radio.
好吧，我不能在广播里这么说。
Instead of using Dewey Decimal, the books are organized according to what they call the Mayonnaise System.
这些书籍没有使用杜威十进制，而是根据所谓的蛋黄酱系统进行组织。
It's a Brautigan in-joke.
这是布劳蒂根的一个笑话。
He ended Trout Fishing in America with the word "mayonnaise." And it goes by category.
他用“蛋黄酱”这个词结束了美国的鳟鱼垂钓。它按类别划分。
So there's adventure, family, future, humor, love, meaning of life, poetry, natural world, social political cultural, spirituality, street life, war and peace, and my favorite, all the rest.
所以有冒险、家庭、未来、幽默、爱情、生命的意义、诗歌、自然世界、社会政治文化、灵性、街头生活、战争与和平，还有我最喜欢的，所有其他的。
[LAUGHS] John Barber There's always the miscellaneous drawer, right?
[笑] John Barber 总是有各种各样的抽屉，对吧？
Where something is just too offbeat to fit in.
有些东西太另类而无法融入。
And instead of the summaries being in a big library contents ledger, there's a summary printed out on the first page of each book.
而且摘要不是放在大型图书馆内容分类帐中，而是在每本书的第一页上打印摘要。
Of course, almost all of the books are offbeat.
当然，几乎所有的书都是另类的。
Like this is the summary of a novel called Did She Leave Me Any Money?
这是一本小说《她给我留钱了吗？》的摘要。
It says, "A philosophical comedy about men, money, motivation, winning strategies, architecture, nudism, trucking, corporate assassinations, heart attacks, sexual politics, hometown parades, spiritual warriors, and the dredging of Willapa Bay."
它说，“一部关于男人、金钱、动机、制胜策略、建筑、裸体主义、卡车运输、公司暗杀、心脏病、性政治、家乡游行、精神战士和威拉帕湾疏浚的哲学喜剧。”
This is something a bunch of the books have in common.
这是很多书的共同点。
It's like their authors are gushing forth with everything they've been wanting to talk about their whole lives.
就好像他们的作者滔滔不绝地讲述了他们一生中一直想谈论的一切。
And with a lot of them, there's this sense of, this is important.
对于他们中的很多人来说，有一种感觉，这很重要。
I alone have the answer.
我一个人有答案。
Just like with a lot of the books in Brautigan's novel.
就像布劳蒂根小说中的很多书一样。
For instance, there's the most prolific contributor to The Brautigan Library, Albert E.
例如，Brautigan 图书馆最多产的贡献者 Albert E.
Helzner.
赫尔兹纳。
He's got 19 books here, three under an assumed name.
他这里有 19 本书，其中三本是化名的。
And they're mostly comprised of his own personal scientific theories and observations.
它们主要由他个人的科学理论和观察组成。
Titles like A Revolutionary Way of Looking at the Earth as a Planet, or, more to the point, The World is Wrong.
诸如《将地球视为一颗行星的革命性方式》之类的书名，或者更确切地说，《世界是错误的》。
The only way I can think to describe it-- and I do so admiringly-- it's like PhD-level stoner thinking.
我能想到的唯一描述它的方式——我很钦佩地这样做——就像博士级别的瘾君子思维。
Everything and everyone in the Helzner-verse is interconnected and impactful.
赫尔兹纳宇宙中的一切和每个人都是相互关联且具有影响力的。
In his book, October 6, 1990, Helzner said that every year on October 6, he'd go to the maternity ward of a hospital, look at a newborn baby through the glass, and ask himself, how did this birth come about?
赫尔兹纳在《1990年10月6日》一书中说，每年的10月6日，他都会去医院的产房，透过玻璃看着一个刚出生的婴儿，然后问自己，这个婴儿是怎么出生的？
What is the long-range effect?
长期效果如何？
And what is the significance of any birth?
任何出生的意义是什么？
Addressing the baby he went to see in 1990, he says he wants to tell her what transpired on the day before she was born.
在谈到 1990 年他去看望的婴儿时，他说他想告诉她她出生前一天发生的事情。
"I spent the whole day thinking about you," he writes.
“我一整天都在想你，”他写道。
"On that day, the moon was shining on my town of Marblehead, Massachusetts.
“那天，月亮照耀着我所在的马萨诸塞州马布尔黑德镇。
It was a bright full moon sitting in a clear sky.
那是一轮明亮的满月，挂在晴朗的天空中。
My wife and I drove to Seaside 5 Corners for a bite to eat.
我和我的妻子开车去 Seaside 5 Corners 吃点东西。
We saw the moon as we drove along.
我们开车时看到了月亮。
We saw the old buildings.
我们看到了古老的建筑。
You'll see the same moon and the same old buildings when you grow up."
当你长大后，你会看到同样的月亮和同样的老建筑。”
Albert Helzner died in June 2016, but his books are still at the library.
艾伯特·赫尔兹纳 (Albert Helzner) 于 2016 年 6 月去世，但他的书仍在图书馆中。
God knows where that baby is now.
天知道那个婴儿现在在哪里。
I asked John if there were any books in particular that he wanted to show me.
我问约翰是否有什么特别想给我看的书。
And he was really enthusiastic about this one that he thought gave a sense of what the library was there for.
他对这个项目非常感兴趣，他认为它能让人了解图书馆的用途。
It's called--
它的名字叫——
Autobiography about a Nobody.
关于一个无名小卒的自传。
And it's written by Etherley Murray of Pittman, New Jersey.
它的作者是新泽西州皮特曼的埃瑟利·穆雷 (Etherley Murray)。
And she may have said, oh look, here's a library that accepts manuscripts, regardless of subject matter.
她可能会说，哦，看，这是一个接受手稿的图书馆，无论主题如何。
Right, exactly.
对，完全正确。
John Barber I'm a nobody.
约翰·巴伯 我是一个无名小卒。
They'll be interested.
他们会感兴趣的。
It's mainly the story of her growing up during the Depression in Altoona, Pennsylvania, eating onion sandwiches and, quote, "wearing coats that belonged to women who had just departed this life." Except it was in the humor section, intentionally so.
这主要是关于她在大萧条时期在宾夕法尼亚州阿尔图纳长大的故事，吃着洋葱三明治，并引用“穿着属于刚刚离开此生的女性的外套”的故事。只是它是在幽默部分，这是故意的。
There's a cartoon horse in a red union suit on the title page, tears cascading from behind its blinders.
扉页上有一匹穿着红色工会套装的卡通马，眼泪从眼罩后面流下来。
She says, in the notes that came along with the submission, that she had submitted it to 40 publishers, who, although they liked the story, did not publish manuscripts of nobodies.
她在提交的附注中说，她已将其提交给 40 家出版商，尽管这些出版商喜欢这个故事，但并未出版无名之辈的手稿。
In Brautigan's novel, a guy in his 50s walks into the library with a book he wrote when he was 17.
在布劳蒂根的小说中，一个 50 多岁的男人带着一本他 17 岁时写的书走进图书馆。
"'This book has set the world's record for rejections,' he says.
“‘这本书创下了世界被拒绝的记录，’他说。
'It has been rejected 459 times, and now I am an old man.'"
“已经被拒绝了459次，现在我已经是个老人了。”
You know, there'd be a sense of completion, for one thing.
你知道，一方面，会有一种完成感。
This is Todd Lockwood again, the founder of the library.
这又是托德·洛克伍德，图书馆的创始人。
And we heard this from numerous writers that sent us works.
我们从许多向我们发送作品的作家那里听到了这一点。
After their book had been in the collection for a while, we'd hear back from them, hear back from writers who would say, wow, this really is a weight off.
他们的书被收藏一段时间后，我们会收到他们的回复，收到作家的回复，他们会说，哇，这真的是减重了。
I just feel like the project is done finally.
我只是觉得这个项目终于完成了。
Even though it technically was finished, it's the fact that it's sitting on a shelf in a public place, where someone that that person doesn't know will cross paths with that book, and take it off the shelf, and perhaps read it.
尽管从技术上讲它已经完成了，但事实是它放在公共场所的书架上，不认识的人会遇到这本书，并将其从书架上取下来，也许会阅读它。
That sort of completes the circle, and I can get on to the next thing.
这样就完成了一个循环，我可以继续下一件事了。
It's funny to think about, but in some ways, The Brautigan Library is more like the library in the novel now than it ever has been.
想想很有趣，但在某些方面，布劳蒂根图书馆现在比以往任何时候都更像小说中的图书馆。
The books are housed in a building that looks more like the Presidio branch.
这些书存放在一座看起来更像 Presidio 分店的建筑里。
They aren't often read by anyone.
它们不经常被任何人阅读。
And it has one librarian, who actually is available at all hours of the day and night to accept new books, but only digitized ones, PDFs submitted online.
它有一名图书管理员，实际上可以全天候接受新书，但仅限于在线提交的数字化 PDF 书籍。
But the more I think about it, it's not about how perfectly or imperfectly Todd or John turned a fictional place into a real one.
但我越想越觉得，这并不是托德或约翰如何完美或不完美地将一个虚构的地方变成真实的地方。
That's not the point.
这不是重点。
It's that Richard Brautigan in his novel predicted with perfect accuracy what would happen if you did create a library like this.
理查德·布劳蒂根（Richard Brautigan）在他的小说中非常准确地预测了如果你真的创建了一个这样的图书馆会发生什么。
That being there would give you a feeling like you're walking down the street and noticing that everyone has a book they've made tucked under one arm, a jumbled woolly individual transcription of how the world feels to that person.
身处其中会给你一种感觉，就像你走在街上，注意到每个人的腋下都夹着一本书，这是一本杂乱无章的个人记录，记录了那个人对世界的感受。
It's the feeling of being able to read everyone's mind for a moment and being startled by their unedited thoughts because they're nothing like yours, but they're just as weird.
这是一种能够读懂每个人的想法的感觉，并被他们未经编辑的想法吓到，因为它们与你的想法完全不同，但它们也同样奇怪。
It's like the librarian says in chapter two of the novel, "There just simply had to be a library like this."
就像小说第二章中图书管理员所说的那样，“就必须有一个这样的图书馆。”
Sean Cole, who's one of the producers of our program.
肖恩·科尔，我们节目的制作人之一。
Coming up, a woman who went to the library every day for a while as a child suddenly realizes one day as an adult that the way she was remembering it was not right at all.
接下来，一位小时候每天都去图书馆一段时间的女士突然意识到，长大后的某一天，她的记忆方式根本不正确。
That's in a minute.
就在一分钟之内。
From Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
来自芝加哥公共广播电台，当我们的节目继续进行时。
This American Life, I'm Ira Glass.
这个美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, "The Room of Requirement," we have stories of how libraries function like a real-life version of that room in Harry Potter, the Room of Requirement.
今天，在我们的节目《有求必应屋》中，我们讲述了图书馆如何像《哈利·波特有求必应屋》中那个房间的现实版一样运作的故事。
Where when you need something, the room just makes it appear for you, just like librarians try to do.
当您需要某些东西时，房间就会为您提供它，就像图书馆员试图做的那样。
Seriously, all over the world.
说真的，世界各地。
Whatever your request.
无论你的要求是什么。
We have arrived at the third act of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, Growing Shelf Awareness.
第三幕，增强货架意识。
This act is about somebody returning to the library that she went to as a kid, wanting something very specific and very personal out of that experience.
这个行为是关于一个人回到她小时候去过的图书馆，想要从这次经历中得到一些非常具体和非常个人的东西。
One of our producers, Stephanie Foo, went with her.
我们的一位制作人 Stephanie Foo 和她一起去了。
Lydia Sigwarth walks into her childhood library in Dubuque.
莉迪亚·西格沃斯走进位于迪比克的儿时图书馆。
It's this huge stone building with Roman columns, built over 100 years ago.
这是一座带有罗马柱的巨大石头建筑，建于 100 多年前。
And as soon as we pass the front door, Lydia stops dead in her tracks, looks up at the large, echoey rotunda above us, and gets quiet.
我们一经过前门，莉迪亚就停了下来，抬头看着我们头顶上回声巨大的圆形大厅，然后安静了下来。
Do you remember how you felt walking into the library when you were a kid?
你还记得小时候走进图书馆的感觉吗？
It was my favorite part of each day, and I always had a plan.
这是我每天最喜欢的部分，而且我总是有一个计划。
I always came with a plan of what I wanted to do.
我总是带着一个我想做的事情的计划。
This was her favorite place growing up.
这是她成长过程中最喜欢的地方。
She only lives half an hour away now, but she hasn't been a patron here in nearly two decades.
她现在住的地方只有半小时路程，但她已经有近二十年没有光顾这里了。
Back when she was six, Lydia, her mom, and her six siblings used to spend a lot of time here.
莉迪亚六岁时，她的妈妈和她的六个兄弟姐妹经常在这里度过很多时光。
Like a lot of time.
就像很多时间一样。
They spent all day, almost everyday here for about half a year, while they were homeless.
在大约半年的时间里，他们几乎每天都在这里度过，而他们却无家可归。
We walk past a World War I exhibit into an airy space filled with nonfiction books and people working on computers.
我们走过一战展览，进入一个通风良好的空间，里面摆满了非小说类书籍和在电脑上工作的人们。
This was where the children's department used to be, I'm pretty sure.
我很确定这里曾经是儿童部。
We go around the crafting zone into a quiet area by a big floor-to-ceiling window that looks out on the street.
我们绕过手工区，进入一个安静的区域，通过一扇大落地窗可以看到外面的街道。
This was a very warm spot because of the window.
由于有窗户，这是一个非常温暖的地方。
I remember it being very cozy and warm.
我记得那是非常舒适和温暖的。
There's some cushion chairs here.
这里有一些带垫子的椅子。
Those are new.
这些都是新的。
Back then, they'd sit on the floor.
那时，他们会坐在地板上。
My little brother would take his nap here.
我弟弟会在这里午睡。
This was a quieter spot, where we're sitting right now.
这是一个比较安静的地方，我们现在坐的地方。
And I remember my eldest sister holding my little brother who's two at the time.
我记得我的大姐抱着我当时两岁的弟弟。
And he was sleeping, and she would quietly read a book out loud to me.
他睡着了，她就会悄悄地给我朗读一本书。
This used to be next to a big shelf, where they kept all The Boxcar Children books.
这里曾经旁边有一个大书架，里面放着《棚车儿童》的所有书籍。
They were free to run around unassisted, without parents hovering over them, to do whatever they wanted.
他们可以自由地跑来跑去，无需父母的帮助，可以做任何他们想做的事。
If you think about it, libraries are kind of one of the only public spaces where kids have freedom like that.
如果你想一想，图书馆是孩子们拥有这样自由的唯一公共场所之一。
And so Lydia ran through the stacks, and crawled around on the play rug, or just stared out of this big window, her favorite, near where her baby brother used to sleep.
于是莉迪亚跑过书堆，在游戏地毯上爬来爬去，或者只是凝视着她最喜欢的大窗户，窗外靠近她小弟弟睡觉的地方。
I forgot about this.
我忘了这件事了。
So the entrance is below us right now.
所以入口现在就在我们下面。
And I would watch people come in and out because we'd be here for hours at a time.
我会看着人们进出，因为我们一次会在这里待上几个小时。
And I would watch people come in and then wait for them to come back out and see how many books they had.
我会看着人们进来，然后等他们回来，看看他们有多少本书。
Lydia came from a stable family, but when they moved from Denver to Dubuque, they had a tough time finding a place they could afford.
莉迪亚来自一个稳定的家庭，但当他们从丹佛搬到迪比克时，他们很难找到负担得起的地方。
So they crashed with friends and family, moving every month or two.
因此，他们与朋友和家人住在一起，每隔一两个月就搬一次家。
Lydia remembers all nine of them, crammed together in someone's basement.
莉迪亚记得他们九个人都挤在某人的地下室里。
She and her five sisters all slept together on a big L-shaped couch, with blow-up mattresses in the middle.
她和她的五个姐妹一起睡在一张 L 形的大沙发上，中间放着充气床垫。
And every morning, Lydia's mom would pack up all the kids and take them to the library.
每天早上，莉迪亚的妈妈都会收拾好所有的孩子，带他们去图书馆。
I think that's why they took us here, is to give the family we were staying with privacy, but also to give us our own measures of privacy.
我认为这就是他们带我们来这里的原因，是为了给我们住的家人提供隐私，同时也给我们自己的隐私措施。
We could spread out and have our own spots.
我们可以分散开来，拥有自己的位置。
So I had spots here, and you can't have a spot in a furnished basement shared with eight other people.
所以我在这里有位置，而你不能在与其他八个人共享的带家具的地下室中找到位置。
Her parents did such a good job pretending that they were just on a fun adventure, that Lydia didn't register any of this as painful or difficult.
她的父母做得很好，假装他们只是在进行一次有趣的冒险，莉迪亚并没有将这一切视为痛苦或困难。
She didn't even really understand that their family was going through anything, until she was having a conversation at work about a year ago, talking about homeless people coming to the library.
她甚至并不真正了解他们的家人正在经历什么，直到大约一年前她在工作中进行一次谈话，谈论无家可归的人来到图书馆。
It came rushing back to her.
它又冲回到她身边。
Wait a minute, that was me.
等一下，那是我。
She honestly had never thought about it for almost two decades.
说实话，她已经有近二十年没有想过这个问题了。
And I'm sitting in this meeting, like almost crying, like I teared up.
我坐在这次会议上，几乎要哭了，就像我流泪了。
I was like, how did I never realize this before?
我当时想，我以前怎么没有意识到这一点？
And how did we never talk about this?
我们怎么从来没有谈论过这个？
And then I was like, it's because it wasn't traumatic.
然后我想，这是因为它没有造成创伤。
We were fine.
我们都很好。
We were happy.
我们很高兴。
We were fed, and clothed, and taken care of.
我们有饭吃，有衣服穿，有照顾。
So there was nothing wrong.
所以没有什么问题。
Because I remembered that time so fondly, that I was like, oh, that was the year we lived in the library.
因为我对那段时光记忆犹新，我想，哦，那是我们住在图书馆的那一年。
It was the best time ever.
这是有史以来最好的时光。
I just remember the feeling that it gave me, of belonging.
我只记得它给我的感觉，归属感。
I get really emotional thinking about it because I credit Mrs. S for most of it.
想到这我真的很激动，因为我把大部分事情都归功于 S 女士。
Mrs. S was the children's librarian.
S 女士是儿童图书管理员。
Lydia's favorite spot in the library was by her desk.
莉迪亚在图书馆最喜欢的地方是她的书桌旁。
It was a round desk, like a half moon round desk.
那是一张圆形的桌子，就像一张半月圆的桌子。
So I would make a beeline over here and make my demands known.
所以我会直奔这里并提出我的要求。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Every morning, all seven kids would run in and spread out over her library.
每天早上，七个孩子都会跑进来，分散在她的图书馆里。
But every day, Mrs. S would greet them warmly.
但每天，S女士都会热情地跟他们打招呼。
She'd stroll the stacks with Lydia, helping her find something to read.
她会和莉迪亚一起逛书库，帮助她找一些可以读的东西。
They had conversations about books and about life.
他们谈论书籍和生活。
Lydia remembers this one day in particular, when Mrs. S came up to her with a recommendation.
莉迪亚尤其记得这一天，当时 S 太太向她提出了一项推荐。
I remember her putting aside the book, The Twelve Dancing Princesses, for me.
我记得她把《十二个跳舞的公主》这本书放在一边给我。
I remember her bringing it to me and saying that this came back, and I thought of you right away when I saw it because you have sisters.
我记得她把它拿给我并说这个回来了，当我看到它时我立刻就想到了你，因为你有姐妹。
So I got this for you.
所以我给你买了这个。
It was the first book that felt perfect for her.
这是第一本让她觉得完美的书。
The youngest princess in the book was the heroine, and she was also the youngest sister in her family.
书中最小的公主是女主角，也是家里最小的妹妹。
She was sure Mrs. S was telling her that she was special.
她确信S夫人是在告诉她，她很特别。
Lydia wanted to find Mrs. S for a few years because she had such great memories of her, but who exactly was she?
莉迪亚想找到S女士几年，因为她对她有如此美好的回忆，但她到底是谁？
Lydia had no idea what the S stood for, like what her real last name was.
莉迪亚不知道 S 代表什么，也不知道她真正的姓氏是什么。
She visited the library once to ask, and they said they weren't sure.
她去图书馆询问过一次，他们说不确定。
It had been decades.
已经过去几十年了。
But there was a Mrs. Stephenson who had worked here a long time.
但有一位斯蒂芬森夫人在这里工作了很长时间。
Only problem was she couldn't talk to her that day because she was on vacation.
唯一的问题是那天她不能和她说话，因为她正在度假。
So Lydia just went home.
于是莉迪亚就回家了。
Then about a year ago, when all of the memories of her being homeless came flooding back, she wrote a long email to say thank you and sent it to Mrs. Stephenson.
大约一年前，当她无家可归的所有记忆涌上心头时，她写了一封长电子邮件表示感谢，并将其发送给史蒂芬森夫人。
But she never got a response.
但她从未得到回应。
Lydia thought, it's probably not the right Mrs. S, or maybe she doesn't remember me.
莉迪亚想，这可能不是正确的S女士，或者也许她不记得我了。
We get to go to the staff only.
我们只能去找工作人员。
Very exciting.
非常令人兴奋。
So I'll just tell you.
所以我就告诉你吧。
I called ahead, and yep, Mrs. Stephenson was Mrs. S.
我提前打了电话，是的，斯蒂芬森夫人就是 S 夫人。
And yes, she totally remembered Lydia.
是的，她完全记得莉迪亚。
So we went to see her in the staff only area.
所以我们去工作人员专用区看她。
It was the first time Lydia had seen her since she was a little kid.
这是莉迪亚从小到大第一次见到她。
Mrs. S was sitting in a big, warm office, decorated with paintings of cows and pink monsters.
S 太太坐在一间又大又温暖的办公室里，办公室里装饰着牛和粉红色怪物的画。
And when she saw Lydia, she rushed out with her arms wide open and grabbed her into a huge hug.
当她看到莉迪亚时，她张开双臂冲了出去，将她紧紧地抱在了怀里。
[LAUGHS] Hi, sweetheart.
[笑]嗨，亲爱的。
Lydia Sigwarth Hi.
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 你好。
Aww, you look the same.
哇，你看起来都一样。
Lydia Sigwarth Do I?
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 我是吗？
Yes, just taller.
是的，只是更高。
Lydia Sigwarth Do you remember me?
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 你还记得我吗？
I remember your family.
我记得你的家人。
Lydia Sigwarth Aww because we were here all the time.
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 哇，因为我们一直都在这里。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Yeah, that's what I remember.
是的，我记得就是这样。
Golly!
发誓!
Try to think of the last person you've met who used the word "golly" with all sincerity.
试着想想你遇到的最后一个真诚地使用“天哪”这个词的人。
I can see why Mrs. S made her feel cared for.
我明白为什么 S 女士让她感到被关心。
I brought you a present that is very badly wrapped.
我给你带来了一件包装得很糟糕的礼物。
I don't know what happened to my ribbon.
我不知道我的丝带怎么了。
It is, of course, a copy of The Twelve Dancing Princesses.
当然，它是《十二个跳舞的公主》的副本。
Oh, my God!
我的天啊！
Did I introduce this book to you?
我向你介绍过这本书吗？
You did.
你做到了。
Mrs. Stephenson It's my very favorite book of all time.
斯蒂芬森夫人 这是我一直以来最喜欢的书。
That's so funny because I thought it was special for me.
这很有趣，因为我认为这对我来说很特别。
Well, of course it was!
嗯，当然是！
Stephanie Foo Then Lydia asks Mrs. S, did she read her letter?
Stephanie Foo 然后Lydia 问S 女士，她读过她的信吗？
Turns out Mrs. S never got it.
结果S女士从来没有得到过。
We figure it probably got caught by her spam filter.
我们认为它可能被她的垃圾邮件过滤器捕获。
And so Lydia starts to explain everything about that moment recently where she realized she'd been homeless.
于是莉迪亚开始解释最近她意识到自己无家可归那一刻的一切。
This was my home for that year, and I felt like I belonged.
这是我那年的家，我有归属感。
I belonged, and I was safe here.
我属于这里，而且我在这里很安全。
And I believe that was partially due to your influence, for me.
我相信这部分是由于你对我的影响。
Oh, oh.
哦，哦。
Aww!
哇！
I can't-- I give your parents all that credit.
我不能——我把所有的功劳都归功于你的父母。
I knew, but I-- we just-- no!
我知道，但我——我们只是——不！
It's your mom and dad.
这是你的妈妈和爸爸。
And I really do give them so much credit, but my memories from that time are all of you treating me so well.
我确实非常信任他们，但我从那时起的记忆就是你们对我很好。
And I felt so important here.
我感觉这里很重要。
I felt like you thought that I was just the greatest, and it just means so much.
我觉得你认为我是最伟大的，这意义重大。
That's the sound of a hug.
那是拥抱的声音。
Mrs. Stephenson It's everyday life for the library.
斯蒂芬森夫人 这是图书馆的日常生活。
It is!
这是！
It is.
这是。
Mrs. Stephenson It's what we do.
史蒂芬森夫人 这就是我们所做的。
Do you remember knowing about the family situation when they were in?
你还记得他们在的时候了解过他们的家庭情况吗？
I didn't know the exacts of the family situation.
我不知道具体的家庭情况。
We just knew.
我们刚刚知道。
We just knew.
我们刚刚知道。
They were here every day.
他们每天都在这里。
It was obvious.
这是显而易见的。
Lydia starts nodding effusively to what Mrs. S is saying.
莉迪亚开始对 S 女士所说的话热情地点头。
She knows exactly what she's talking about because Lydia works with those kids everyday herself.
她很清楚自己在说什么，因为莉迪亚每天都和这些孩子一起工作。
She's a librarian, a children's librarian.
她是一名图书管理员，一名儿童图书管理员。
And you became a librarian?
你成了一名图书管理员？
Lydia Sigwarth I did because of you.
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 我这么做是因为你。
I think it's awesome.
我认为这太棒了。
You don't realize how much influence you have on anybody, just by doing your job.
仅通过做你的工作，你不会意识到你对任何人有多大的影响力。
You keep saying you were just doing your job, and I feel like I need to say, though, that you did not have to be that kind.
你一直说你只是在做你的工作，但我觉得我需要说，你不必那样。
You could have done your job without being that eternally kind.
即使你不那么永远友善，你也可以完成你的工作。
And that's something that I think about a lot because there are situations with children that I know are coming from difficult places or children who are there all day, and they just need a lot from me.
这是我经常思考的事情，因为我知道有些孩子来自困难的地方，或者整天呆在那里，他们需要我提供很多帮助。
And there are days when I don't want to be the most kind person on the planet because I'm tired or the child is being challenging.
有时我不想成为地球上最善良的人，因为我累了或者孩子有挑战性。
There are always those days.
那些日子总是有的。
But you were that kind.
但你就是那样的善良。
Yes, the girl who lived at the library grew up to become a librarian, helping other kids like her.
是的，那个住在图书馆的女孩长大后成为了一名图书管理员，帮助其他像她一样的孩子。
I'll have families that, I would say, most of the kids that are there all the time, it's because they don't want to be home or don't have a stable home.
我会说，我的家庭中的大多数孩子一直都在那里，这是因为他们不想回家或没有稳定的家。
And I hope I'm doing the same thing for my kids.
我希望我能为我的孩子们做同样的事情。
It's so important to me.
这对我来说非常重要。
You are.
你是。
I don't think you have to hope.
我认为你不必抱有希望。
I know you are, just by watching and seeing your reactions today.
我知道你是，只要观察你今天的反应就知道了。
I know you are.
我知道你是。
You are.
你是。
Thank you.
谢谢。
[SNIFFLES] Mrs. Stephenson You're welcome.
[抽鼻子]史蒂芬森夫人 不客气。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Just continue to do what you're doing.
继续做你正在做的事情。
It's obvious.
这是显而易见的。
I'm just going to cry now for a little while.
我现在只想哭一会儿。
It's fine.
没关系。
The two women swap numbers in their phones.
两个女人互换了手机号码。
They make a date to get fried pickles in Platteville and to talk shop about disenfranchised youth and best practices at story time.
他们约好去普拉特维尔买炸泡菜，并在故事时间谈论被剥夺权利的年轻人和最佳做法。
I visited the Platteville library, where Lydia has been a children's librarian for eight years.
我参观了普拉特维尔图书馆，莉迪亚在那里担任了八年的儿童图书管理员。
And I have to say she's really great at her job.
我不得不说她的工作非常出色。
She pinballs from one side of the room to another, helping one kid fix her computer, making sure others are safe as they walk out.
她从房间的一侧弹球到另一侧，帮助一个孩子修理她的电脑，确保其他人走出去时的安全。
Well, it's gone black.
嗯，已经黑了。
That's a great sign.
这是一个很好的迹象。
There we go!
我们开始吧！
Yes!
是的！
Lydia Sigwarth Yes.
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 是的。
OK, we fixed it.
好的，我们修好了。
How are you doing, bud?
你好吗，伙计？
Good?
好的？
Good.
好的。
All right.
好的。
It's probably a better idea to put coats on.
穿上外套可能是一个更好的主意。
She brought in her parents' scale and used some old x-rays to make a fake hospital and has a fish named Fishstick that the kids help take care of.
她带来了父母的体重秤，并用一些旧的 X 光片搭建了一座假医院，并养了一条名叫 Fishstick 的鱼，孩子们帮忙照顾。
Are we gonna fill it up-- Lydia Sigwarth We are going to fill it up.
我们要把它填满吗——莉迪亚·西格沃斯 我们要把它填满。
--with toilet water?
——用马桶水？
Lydia Sigwarth Not with toilet water.
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 不能用花露水。
[LAUGHS] Stephanie Foo The windows have little reading nooks in them and a giant bear to cuddle with named Sir Fluffy Puffy McBearson.
[笑] Stephanie Foo 窗户上有小阅读角，还有一只巨大的熊可以拥抱，名叫蓬松·蓬松·麦克贝尔森爵士。
On April Fool's Day, she set up a self checkout line.
愚人节那天，她设立了一条自助结账线。
It was just a mirror at the counter.
这只是柜台上的一面镜子。
Get it?
得到它？
She also holds her monthly book club, where she and a bunch of kids talk about their readings, but also build things out of stacked books, and create funny videos, and play games.
她还举办每月一次的读书俱乐部，在那里她和一群孩子谈论他们的阅读，但也用堆积如山的书籍制作东西，制作有趣的视频，玩游戏。
I talked to a couple of kids who said they used to hate reading, but now they love it, all because of Miss Lydia's book club.
我和几个孩子交谈过，他们说他们以前讨厌读书，但现在他们喜欢读书，这一切都是因为莉迪亚小姐的读书俱乐部。
I want to know where the shadow puppet books are.
我想知道皮影书在哪里。
Shadow puppets.
皮影戏。
You want to learn how to make shadow puppets?
您想学习如何制作皮影吗？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Lydia Sigwarth OK, let's do that.
莉迪亚·西格沃斯 好吧，我们就这么做吧。
Lydia has one girl at her library who is there all the time, every day.
莉迪亚的图书馆里有一个女孩，她每天都在那儿。
We'll call her Anna.
我们就叫她安娜吧。
Anna reminds Lydia of herself growing up, but she's had it harder.
安娜让莉迪亚想起了自己的成长经历，但她的成长经历更加艰难。
Her living arrangements aren't stable.
她的生活安排并不稳定。
She's often hungry.
她经常饿。
Lydia worries about her when she disappears for a week.
当她失踪一周后，莉迪亚很担心她。
One day about a year ago when Anna was 9, she had the same impulse with Lydia that Lydia had with Mrs. S.
大约一年前的一天，安娜九岁的时候，她对莉迪亚有同样的冲动，就像莉迪亚对 S 太太有同样的冲动。
Anna wrote her a letter.
安娜给她写了一封信。
It says, "Lydia is really nice.
它说：“莉迪亚真的很好。
She's a really nice person.
她是一个非常好的人。
She's an intelligent, rememberative, and fast young woman.
她是一位聪明、记忆力强、反应敏捷的年轻女性。
Sometimes when I'm at home, I just want to go to the library, just to see Lydia."
有时当我在家时，我只想去图书馆，只是为了看看莉迪亚。”
Stephanie Foo.
史蒂芬妮·福.
Credits Ira Glass Our program was produced today by Stephanie Foo.
图片来源：Ira Glass 今天我们的节目由 Stephanie Foo 制作。
The people who put our show together includes Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Jared Floyd, Michelle Harris, Chana Joffe-Walt, Jay Kang, David Kestenbaum, Anna Martin, Stone Nelson, Nadia Reiman, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Christopher Swetala, and Matt Tierney.
制作我们节目的人员包括 Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Jared Floyd、Michelle Harris、Chana Joffe-Walt、Jay Kang、David Kestenbaum、Anna Martin、Stone Nelson、Nadia Reiman、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Christopher Swetala 和 Matt Tierney。
Our senior producer is Brian Reed.
我们的高级制片人是布莱恩·里德。
Our managing editor is Susan Burton.
我们的总编辑是苏珊·伯顿。
The reporters who went to libraries for us at the top of the show.
节目顶部为我们去图书馆的记者们。
Jude Joffe-Block was in Phoenix.
裘德·乔夫-布洛克在凤凰城。
Liza Veale was in San Francisco.
丽莎·维尔 (Liza Veale) 在旧金山。
Rachael London was in Florida.
瑞秋伦敦在佛罗里达州。
And our producer, Anna Martin, was at the Blackfeet Indian Reservation in Montana.
我们的制片人安娜·马丁 (Anna Martin) 在蒙大拿州的黑脚印第安人保留地。
Thanks today to Eric Klinenberg, who spoke about libraries as palaces for the people.
今天感谢埃里克·克林伯格 (Eric Klinenberg)，他将图书馆视为人民的宫殿。
It was helpful to us as we thought about this week's show, as was Susan Orlean's book, The Library Book.
当我们思考本周的节目时，这对我们很有帮助，苏珊·奥尔良的书《图书馆之书》也是如此。
Thanks also today to Ianthe Brautigan, William Steele, Elizabeth Jensen, William Hartston, Ashleyanne Krigbaum, Brian Belfiglio, Annie Proulx Marcia Popper, Brad Richardson and everybody at the Clark County Historical Museum, Michael Fast Buffalo Horse, Joe Rutherford, Bridgit Bowden, and Zach Goelman.
今天还要感谢 Ianthe Brautigan、William Steele、Elizabeth Jensen、William Hartston、Ashleyanne Krigbaum、Brian Belfiglio、Annie Proulx Marcia Popper、Brad Richardson 以及克拉克县历史博物馆的所有人、Michael Fast Buffalo Horse、Joe Rutherford、Bridgit Bowden 和 Zach Goelman。
Also thanks to the staffs of the Phoenix Public Library, the Queens Public Library, the Sumter County Public Library, the San Francisco Public Library, and the Medicine Spring Library.
还要感谢菲尼克斯公共图书馆、皇后区公共图书馆、萨姆特县公共图书馆、旧金山公共图书馆和 Medicine Spring 图书馆的工作人员。
Our web site, thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to our archive of over 600 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们的 600 多集档案。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
We had the biggest fight the other day, him and me.
前几天我们发生了最激烈的争吵，他和我。
I told him, look, it's like you think you're God or something.
我告诉他，看，你好像认为自己是上帝什么的。
He didn't deny it.
他没有否认。
Yes, we look an awful lot alike.
是的，我们看起来非常相似。
Tall, mustache, glasses.
高个子，小胡子，眼镜。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of this American life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多关于美国生活的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。