66: Tales from the Net - This American Life
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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 66 集 | 1998 年 6 月 26 日 66：来自网络的故事 注：《美国生活》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
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Prologue Boy From PRI, Public Radio International--
序幕男孩来自 PRI、国际公共广播电台——
Public Radio International-- Woman Public Radio--
国际公共广播电台--女子公共广播电台--
--radio international.
——国际广播电台。
Woman One more time.
女人 再一次。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life .
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Well, a few weeks ago, we invited you to send us your stories of life on the internet, to send unusual or amusing email exchanges, interesting things you've found in Usenet groups or on web pages.
几周前，我们邀请您向我们发送您在互联网上的生活故事、发送不寻常或有趣的电子邮件交流、您在新闻组或网页上发现的有趣的事情。
Hundreds of people responded.
数百人响应。
I recorded interviews with some of them and invited the ones who live here in Chicago to Chicago's Museum of Contemporary Art for a show.
我录制了对其中一些人的采访，并邀请住在芝加哥的人到芝加哥当代艺术博物馆观看一场展览。
Today on our program, what happened when all the tapes and readings and people were gathered onstage in the museum's theater.
今天在我们的节目中，当所有的磁带、读物和人们聚集在博物馆剧院的舞台上时发生了什么。
So Mary is 19 years old, an English major at the University of Washington.
玛丽今年 19 岁，就读于华盛顿大学英语专业。
And one day, she's cruising the net, visiting the home pages of complete strangers.
有一天，她在网上漫游，访问完全陌生的人的主页。
And I came across this site that I thought was amazing.
我发现了这个我认为很棒的网站。
It was the most cutting-edge, thought-provoking site I'd ever seen.
这是我见过的最前沿、最发人深省的网站。
And so I was examining it, checking it out.
所以我正在检查它，检查它。
And I realized that this guy was my age.
我意识到这个人跟我同龄。
And he worked at Microsoft.
他在微软工作。
And that just blew me away, because I'm a student.
这让我震惊，因为我是一名学生。
I can barely afford coffee in the morning.
我早上几乎买不起咖啡。
And here, this guy worked at Microsoft.
在这里，这个人在微软工作。
I ended up emailing him, just to tell him how much I liked his site and how amazing I thought it was.
我最终给他发了电子邮件，只是为了告诉他我有多喜欢他的网站以及我认为它是多么的神奇。
And he wrote back.
他回信说。
And that went on for about four or five days.
这样的情况持续了大约四五天。
We just kept writing back and forth, really personal stuff, too, not just computer geek stuff.
我们只是不断地写来写去，也是非常私人的东西，而不仅仅是计算机极客的东西。
What is the brave new world of the internet?
互联网的美丽新世界是什么？
I would argue that one main difference between regular life and life on the net is that you can meet a stranger and get to know them intimately, much faster on the net than you can anywhere else.
我认为，正常生活和网络生活之间的一个主要区别在于，您可以在网络上结识陌生人并亲密地了解他们，这比在其他任何地方都快得多。
Well, for a week, Mary and this guy right each other several times a day, long, personal emails.
好吧，在一周的时间里，玛丽和这个家伙每天都会互相纠正好几次，都是很长的私人电子邮件。
Then they agreed to meet in person at a coffee shop on Valentine's Day.
然后他们同意在情人节那天在一家咖啡店见面。
I was nervous before we met, because I was worried that he wouldn't find me as interesting in real life.
我们见面之前我很紧张，因为我担心他在现实生活中不会觉得我有趣。
So we met for coffee.
所以我们见面喝咖啡。
We ended up spending the next 12 hours together.
我们最终一起度过了接下来的 12 个小时。
There wasn't really a turning point until a few days later.
直到几天后，事情才真正出现转折点。
We had continued to see each other.
我们继续见面。
And one night, we ended up going out to his office at Microsoft.
一天晚上，我们最终去了他在微软的办公室。
It was about midnight, and nobody was there.
那时已经是半夜了，没有人在。
And we were hanging out.
我们一起出去玩。
And one thing led to another, and all of a sudden, we were making out.
一件事接二连三，突然之间，我们就亲热了。
And you were glad, though, because you were liking him.
不过你很高兴，因为你喜欢他。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Yeah.
是的。
It wasn't a bad thing.
这并不是一件坏事。
But it was awkward, because it was my first time.
但这很尴尬，因为这是我第一次。
I had never really done that with anybody before.
我以前从未真正对任何人这样做过。
It was your very first time actually having sex with somebody?
这是你第一次真正与某人发生性关系吗？
Right.
正确的。
Well, no, it was my first time kissing anybody.
好吧，不，这是我第一次亲吻任何人。
Because you hadn't had a high school boyfriend who you would do that with?
因为你没有一个高中男友可以和你一起做这件事？
No, no. I was a real big loner in high school.
不，不。高中时我是一个真正的孤独者。
I didn't get out much.
我没有出去太多。
So it was your first time just making out with somebody, and it was at Microsoft.
所以这是你第一次和某人亲热，而且是在微软。
Yeah.
是的。
And so it made it all the more surreal, I think.
我认为这让一切变得更加超现实。
It was just weird for me to think that, here's this guy I met a little over a week ago by chance on the internet.
我觉得很奇怪，这是我一个多星期前在互联网上偶然认识的这个人。
And here we are at his office, doing this.
我们在他的办公室里做这件事。
And then after that, I barely heard from him.
从那以后，我就几乎没有他的消息了。
He told me that he didn't want a relationship right now, that he wanted to wait.
他告诉我他现在不想建立关系，他想等待。
He kept using the term, he wanted to make his first million before he had a relationship with somebody.
他一直用这个词，他想在与某人发生关系之前赚到他的第一个一百万。
For all the hype about the revolutionary changes the internet is going to bring us, what's striking about this particular story is how much of it could have happened without computers at all.
尽管人们对互联网将给我们带来的革命性变化进行了大肆宣传，但这个特定故事的惊人之处在于，其中有多少事情完全可以在没有计算机的情况下发生。
All across America, teenage boys kiss young women on a date or two, then freak out and withdraw.
在美国各地，十几岁的男孩会在一两次约会中亲吻年轻女性，然后惊慌失措并退出。
All the computer adds is an air of mystery and intimacy and some exotic stage props for the drama.
电脑所添加的只是一种神秘和亲密的气氛以及一些异国情调的舞台道具。
Otherwise, the lines and the moves are very, very old.
否则，台词和动作就非常非常老了。
After the fact, after the night at his office down there at Microsoft, I noticed, boy, he really was feeding me some lines there.
事后，在他在微软的办公室度过一晚之后，我注意到，天哪，他真的在那里给我灌输了一些台词。
Like what else?
还有什么？
Mary He actually was going to set me up with a copy of Office 97.
Mary He 实际上打算给我提供一份 Office 97。
He never did.
他从来没有这样做过。
The cad.
CAD。
At what point in the whole interaction did he promise you the Office 97, the free software?
在整个互动过程中，他在什么时候向您承诺免费软件 Office 97？
Did you just think, he's feeding me a lot of soup?
你有没有想过，他给我喝了很多汤？
No. I thought it was cool, because I'd heard some things about Office 97.
不。我觉得这很酷，因为我听说过一些有关 Office 97 的事情。
I thought, wow, I'd like to have that.
我想，哇，我想要那个。
Now, I'm sure you can only look back on the incredible naivete.
现在，我相信你只能回顾那令人难以置信的天真。
Some young man is prowling the streets of Seattle, walking through the U District, telling women--
一些年轻人在西雅图的街道上徘徊，穿过U区，告诉女人们——
"Got your free software." Ira Glass Well, the question we pose in this hour is, what is happening on the internet?
“得到了你的免费软件。” Ira Glass 好吧，我们这一个小时提出的问题是，互联网上正在发生什么？
And are there things happening on the net that never would have happened without it?
是否有一些事情如果没有网络就永远不会发生？
Over the past few weeks, we've advertised in cities around the country, inviting radio listeners to send us samples of their own emails, samples of things they've found on the net that they thought were especially interesting or amusing.
在过去的几周里，我们在全国各地的城市做了广告，邀请广播听众向我们发送他们自己的电子邮件样本，以及他们在网上发现的他们认为特别有趣或有趣的东西的样本。
We have advertised here in Chicago, asking people to come here today, to the museum of contemporary art, with those samples.
我们在芝加哥这里做了广告，邀请人们今天带着这些样品来到这里，来到当代艺术博物馆。
And over the next hour, we'll hear from people here and people around the country, an unscientific sampling of what's going on on the net.
在接下来的一个小时内，我们将听到这里的人和全国各地的人们的声音，对网络上正在发生的事情进行不科学的采样。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
My co-host for today's show is David Hauptschein.
今天节目的联合主持人是 David Hauptschein。
Welcome, David.
欢迎，大卫。
David is a playwright and novelist.
大卫是一位剧作家和小说家。
His played "Trance" won the Fringe First Award at the Edinburgh Theatre Festival and was produced for the Brighton Arts Festival.
他的戏剧《Trance》荣获爱丁堡戏剧节边缘艺术节一等奖，并为布莱顿艺术节制作。
His play "The Persecution of Arnold Petch" premiered this year at Red Orchid Theater here in Chicago.
他的戏剧《阿诺德·佩奇的迫害》今年在芝加哥红兰花剧院首演。
And years ago, David started having these shows that he called "letter shows," where he invited people onstage to bring their mail to a theater and read it, just as kind of a big open mic.
几年前，大卫开始举办这些他称之为“信件秀”的节目，他邀请台上的人们将他们的邮件带到剧院并阅读，就像一个大的开放式麦克风一样。
And we're adapting the format of those shows to the electronic media today.
我们正在调整这些节目的格式以适应当今的电子媒体。
David, why don't you explain the rules of how one of these shows goes.
大卫，你为什么不解释一下其中一场演出的规则呢？
OK.
好的。
This is a show with many, many rules.
这是一个有很多很多规则的节目。
That's why we have two hosts up here.
这就是为什么我们这里有两位主持人。
Ira does half of them, and I do the other half.
艾拉做一半，我做另一半。
The first rule is the time rule.
第一个规则是时间规则。
These are egg timers.
这些是煮蛋计时器。
These are mechanical devices that do not exist in cyberspace.
这些是网络空间中不存在的机械设备。
They are crude.
它们很粗糙。
They're holding at approximately four minutes.
他们大约坚持了四分钟。
And that's what everybody will have when they're presenting.
这就是每个人在演讲时都会得到的。
Let's give a sample ding, so people know what to expect.
让我们给出一个示例，以便人们知道会发生什么。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Sample ding.
样品叮。
Well, these different dings.
好吧，这些不同的叮当声。
But we're going to start with this one here.
但我们将从这里开始。
This is your basic [DING].
这是你的基本[DING]。
So when you hear that, you must stop mid-syllable and just exit the stage, unless one of us starts talking to you or something.
因此，当您听到这个消息时，您必须在音节中间停下来并退出舞台，除非我们中的一个人开始与您交谈或其他什么。
So we're going to begin with Joe Fosco.
我们将从乔·福斯科开始。
In preparation for this show, we spent many hours surfing the net together and finding files that we thought were interesting.
为了准备这个节目，我们花了很多时间一起上网并寻找我们认为有趣的文件。
And Joe's going to come up and read some.
乔会过来读一些。
Wait a minute, Joe, let me get this timer going, here.
等一下，乔，让我启动这个计时器，就在这里。
I've got to put these other ones in different places.
我必须把其他的放在不同的地方。
This one I'm going to read now is a website of this guy who's building an aluminum ball, ball of aluminum foil.
我现在要读的这个网站是这个人的网站，他正在制作一个铝球，铝箔球。
And he went into quite a bit of detail about this ball.
他详细介绍了这个球。
He says, "I don't remember exactly how the ball began, but it is a sphere, composed entirely of aluminum foil of various varieties.
他说：“我不记得球是如何开始的，但它是一个球体，完全由各种铝箔组成。
It is mostly candy wrappers with a few bits of foil and other food items mixed in.
它主要是糖果包装纸，混有一些箔纸和其他食品。
So far, the best finish coat is York Peppermint Pattie wrappers.
到目前为止，最好的面漆是约克薄荷帕蒂茄衣。
Other foil is fine, but a coat of Peppermint Pattie wrappers is necessary to keep it on.
其他箔纸也可以，但需要一层薄荷帕蒂包装纸来保持它。
Gum wrappers also tend to have their quality.
口香糖包装纸也有其质量。
But they are far too difficult to peel, considering the minimal bulk they have.
但考虑到它们的体积很小，剥皮太困难了。
Gum wrappers do make a good finish coat on top of Peppermint Pattie wrappers for show.
口香糖包装纸确实可以在薄荷帕蒂包装纸上形成一层很好的饰面层，以供展示。
Some items, such as Hershey's Miniatures, which look like they might be good candidates for foil, aren't.
有些物品，例如好时迷你模型，看起来可能是箔纸的良好候选者，但事实并非如此。
The ball is more impressive in person than this page can hope to depict."
这个球比本页所希望描述的更令人印象深刻。”
Oh, there is, if you can see it.
哦，有的，如果你能看到的话。
And then, he has this diary of its growth.
然后，他就有了这本成长日记。
It starts back in January.
事情要从一月份开始说起。
And he says, "We've gotten an electric postage scale in the office.
他说：“我们办公室里有一个电子邮资秤。
It reads one more digit of precision, so we now have a weight of 3.9 ounces.
它读取的精度多了一位，因此我们现在的重量为 3.9 盎司。
I have done the math to compute the density of the ball.
我已经完成了数学计算来计算球的密度。
Curiously, it is much lower than that of solid aluminum.
奇怪的是，它比实心铝低得多。
I have a hard time believing that the ball is less than half aluminum by mass, so I invite you to let me know if there are any errors in my computations.
我很难相信这个球的质量还不到铝的一半，所以我邀请您告诉我我的计算是否有任何错误。
I expected that the density would be less than that of solid aluminum because of a small amount of air between layers of the foil, the adhesive coatings, inks, and small quantities of chocolate, grease, and other leftovers from the food items that the wrappers were originally used to package.
我预计铝箔的密度会低于实心铝的密度，因为铝箔层之间有少量的空气、粘合剂涂层、油墨以及少量的巧克力、油脂和包装纸最初用来包装食品的其他残留物。
I wouldn't have been too surprised by 5 or even 10% difference.
对于 5% 甚至 10% 的差异，我不会感到太惊讶。
But I find the actual results obtained a little difficult to believe."
但我发现所获得的实际结果有点令人难以置信。”
I have a question for you, Joe.
我有一个问题要问你，乔。
Do you believe that fellow would be making that ball if it wasn't for the internet?
你相信如果没有互联网，那个家伙会做出那个球吗？
I think so.
我想是的。
David Hauptschein See, I think that one of the discussions we've been having the past couple of weeks is, is the internet unique in any way?
David Hauptschein 你看，我认为过去几周我们一直在讨论的问题之一是，互联网在某种程度上是独一无二的吗？
And I think that it is in the sense that people now know they have potentially millions of--
我认为，从某种意义上说，人们现在知道他们可能拥有数百万——
Readers.
读者们。
David Hauptschein --readers.
大卫·豪普特沙因——读者。
Whereas before, a guy would make a silver ball.
而以前，一个人会制作一个银球。
He'd make a silver ball and put it in his desk, and no one would know about it.
他会制作一个银球并将其放在办公桌上，而没有人会知道这件事。
The other interesting thing is, on this, he has links to other sites that are making aluminum foil balls, and someone also who's making a rubber band ball.
另一件有趣的事情是，在这方面，他有其他制作铝箔球的网站的链接，还有一些人也在制作橡皮筋球。
But I think, actually, the idea that he might get some notoriety out of his ball has spurred him on to further-- at least, maybe it would've been a mediocre ball.
但我认为，实际上，他可能会从他的球中获得一些恶名的想法促使他走得更远——至少，也许这会是一个平庸的球。
I think he's working it out to make the ultimate ball.
我认为他正在努力打出最终的球。
All right.
好的。
Thank you, Joe.
谢谢你，乔。
Our next reader, Stacy.
我们的下一位读者，史黛西。
David Hauptschein Oh, this is Stacy.
David Hauptschein 哦，这是史黛西。
Do I just start?
我刚开始吗？
David Hauptschein You can just start.
David Hauptschein 你可以开始了。
Tell us anything you think we need to know, or just start right in.
告诉我们您认为我们需要了解的任何信息，或者直接开始。
I'm just going to set the timer for four minutes.
我要把计时器设置为四分钟。
OK.
好的。
A former friend of mine from high school is currently living with her husband and son in England.
我以前的一位高中朋友目前与她的丈夫和儿子住在英国。
And every three weeks or so, she sends out what I call a broadcast email.
大约每三周，她就会发出我所说的广播电子邮件。
And she sends it to what has now become 56 email addresses.
她将邮件发送至现在的 56 个电子邮件地址。
I'm going to read one of the broadcast emails.
我将阅读其中一封广播电子邮件。
But before I do, I think I should make two notes.
但在此之前，我想我应该做两个笔记。
One is that she refers to her husband as "Bobo" or "Bo." And she refers to her son as "Boo" because she named him after Boo Radley in To Kill a Mockingbird .
一是她称自己的丈夫为“波波”或“波”。她称她的儿子为“Boo”，因为她以《杀死一只知更鸟》中的 Boo Radley 为他命名。
That's a strange choice.
这是一个奇怪的选择。
Stacy Granted, that is his nickname.
史黛西 当然，这是他的昵称。
So she also rates her adventures with "paws," like bear paws.
所以她也用“爪子”来评价她的冒险，就像熊掌一样。
And for example, once, after visiting the Stratford on Avon, she said, "Three paws for Shakespeareville." So here's the first one that I ever received.
例如，有一次，在参观了埃文河畔的斯特拉特福之后，她说：“莎士比亚维尔的三只爪子。”这是我收到的第一个。
"Hi.
“嗨。
Baby Boo had his first day in London this weekend.
本周末，宝贝布在伦敦度过了他的第一天。
We went to the British Museum, a quick stop to Harod's, and really quick stops to Big Ben and Westminster Abbey to take pictures.
我们去了大英博物馆，很快就到了哈罗德百货公司，然后很快就到了大本钟和威斯敏斯特教堂拍照。
We bought a six-foot diameter beach towel that I lay out for Boo to play on.
我们买了一条直径六英尺的沙滩巾，我把它铺在布上让布玩。
I told him that it's his boundary, and if he crawls off it, he'll get electrocuted from the wires.
我告诉他，这是他的界限，如果他爬出界限，他就会被电线触电。
You know, like those dog training things.
你知道，就像那些训练狗的事情。
Well, he does a good job of keeping me on my feet now.
好吧，他现在做得很好，让我站稳了脚跟。
Before, I had to watch him every second.
以前，我必须每时每刻都看着他。
Now, I have to watch him every millisecond."
现在，我必须每一毫秒都看着他。”
You know what this is like?
你知道这是什么样的吗？
It's like one of those Christmas letters.
这就像其中一封圣诞信。
How often does she--
她多久——
Exactly.
正是如此。
But this comes-- I think I've received these over the last year.
但这来了——我想我在去年就收到了这些。
And these come fairly regularly, like once a month.
而且这些来得相当有规律，比如每月一次。
And for you, as somebody who knows her, when you read these, do you feel a sense of, yes, I must know, or is it, oh, no?
对你来说，作为一个认识她的人，当你读到这些时，你是否有一种感觉，是的，我必须知道，或者是，哦，不？
Well, actually, what's really interesting is that she and I have grown apart.
嗯，实际上，真正有趣的是我和她已经分开了。
And I didn't really quite know how to end the relationship.
我真的不太知道如何结束这段关系。
But these emails have actually given me some closure, because--
但这些电子邮件实际上让我有了一些了结，因为——
Because now, you never have to say anything.
因为现在，你再也不用说什么了。
I don't say anything.
我什么也没说。
It used to-- [DING]
它曾经——[丁]
Oh, ok.
哦，好吧。
And I never have to say anything.
我从来不需要说什么。
I never respond to them.
我从不回应他们。
But she continues to send them to me, and I have a lot of fun reading them.
但她继续把它们寄给我，我读起来很开心。
And before, I used to feel really guilty.
以前，我常常感到非常内疚。
Like I wouldn't respond to her letters or I wouldn't be a good friend.
就像我不会回复她的信，否则我就不会成为一个好朋友。
But now, I feel like, OK, well, we're just so different.
但现在，我觉得，好吧，我们真的很不同。
Right, right.
对，对。
Ira Glass Once a month, it comes to you in a vision.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 每月一次，它会以异象的形式出现在你面前。
Right.
正确的。
And then I just read it.
然后我就读了它。
And actually-- I'm really horrible, and I can't believe I'm going to admit this-- but I actually send it out to two of my other friends, who also-- [LAUGHTER] I forward it to two other friends, who are sitting out there.
事实上——我真的很糟糕，我不敢相信我会承认这一点——但我实际上把它发给了我的另外两个朋友，他们也——[笑声]我把它转发给了另外两个朋友，他们就坐在那儿。
And they read it and comment back to me.
他们读了它并给我评论。
I can't believe I'm saying this.
我不敢相信我会这么说。
Well, she doesn't listen to the radio, does she?
嗯，她不听广播，是吗？
My friends and I sat and thought about it.
我和我的朋友们坐下来思考这个问题。
And we thought, well, I don't think she listens to NPR.
我们想，好吧，我认为她不听 NPR。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Well, for our next one, I thought we'd do one that people contacted us when we advertised around the country for things going on on the net.
好吧，对于我们的下一个项目，我想我们应该做一个当我们在全国范围内为网络上发生的事情做广告时人们联系我们的项目。
And somebody notified us about this one web page.
有人通知我们有关这一网页的信息。
We were searching for people who were having experiences on the net they would never have otherwise.
我们正在寻找那些在网络上拥有否则永远无法获得的体验的人。
And this particular page was made by woman named Jenny Ringley, a senior at Dickinson College in Pennsylvania.
这个特别的页面是由一位名叫珍妮·林利 (Jenny Ringley) 的女士制作的，她是宾夕法尼亚州迪金森学院的一名大四学生。
Like a lot of people, she created her own little home page on the World Wide Web.
像很多人一样，她在万维网上创建了自己的小主页。
There's the regular part of my page, I guess you would say, with information about me, the music I like, things like that, like everybody has on their page.
我想你会说，这是我页面的常规部分，包含有关我的信息，我喜欢的音乐，诸如此类的信息，就像每个人的页面上都有的一样。
The one item that has become extremely popular, though, is the JenniCam.
不过，JenniCam 是一款非常受欢迎的产品。
And it's just a camera that sits in my room and takes a picture every three minutes and uploads it.
它只是我房间里的一个相机，每三分钟拍一张照片并上传。
So every three minutes, you can find out what fascinating thing I'm doing in my room.
因此，每隔三分钟，您就可以了解我在房间里所做的有趣的事情。
The JenniCam is on seven days a week, 24 hours a day.
JenniCam 每周 7 天、每天 24 小时运行。
And the number of people who want to see what fascinating thing is going on in a college girl's dorm room each day?
每天有多少人想看看女大学生宿舍里发生了什么有趣的事情？
People, I'm not sure.
人们，我不确定。
But as far as number of hits go, we get over 500,000 hits a day.
但就点击量而言，我们每天的点击量超过 500,000 次。
A half million hits, every single day.
每天都有五十万次点击。
And what do people see?
人们看到了什么？
Nothing, really.
没什么，真的。
I write email, I sleep, I have friends over.
我写电子邮件，睡觉，有朋友过来。
You can watch my hedgehog when I'm not in the room.
当我不在房间时你可以看我的刺猬。
Things like that.
诸如此类的事情。
Pretty much just regular college life, as far as I know.
据我所知，几乎就是正常的大学生活。
Our associate producer tuned in to your page, just to kind of see what was going on.
我们的副制片人调到了您的页面，只是为了看看发生了什么。
And for about a half an hour, she witnessed you on the phone.
在大约半个小时的时间里，她在电话里目睹了你。
Every three minutes, there'd be another picture of you in a different position, on the telephone.
每隔三分钟，电话里就会出现另一张你处于不同位置的照片。
I talk on the phone a lot.
我在电话里聊了很多。
Ira Glass In a way, it's hard to think of anything more banal than seeing a college student's dorm room.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 在某种程度上，很难想象还有什么比看到大学生宿舍更平庸的事情了。
I would have to agree.
我不得不同意。
I would absolutely agree.
我绝对同意。
I don't do anything that's that interesting.
我不做任何那么有趣的事情。
I don't have company very often.
我很少有人陪伴。
I don't do anything more interesting, really, than talk on the phone, watch TV, and sleep.
事实上，我没有做任何比打电话、看电视和睡觉更有趣的事情。
Let me ask you to talk about the nudity.
让我请你谈谈裸体。
Well, whenever I'm nude in my room, I'm nude on the JenniCam.
好吧，每当我在房间里裸体时，我在 JenniCam 上也是裸体的。
But, you know, when I think about how often somebody is nude in the course of a day, it's really not very long.
但是，你知道，当我想到有人在一天中裸体的频率时，这真的不是很长。
Well, maybe I'm not an average person.
嗯，也许我不是一个普通人。
But I figure when I'm alone, who really cares?
但我想，当我独自一人时，谁真正在乎呢？
I sleep naked, and I get changed.
我裸睡，然后换衣服。
And when I get out of the shower, I'm all wet.
当我洗完澡出来时，我浑身湿透了。
There's no hurry to put on clothes.
还不急着穿衣服。
Explain what the thrill is about being naked in front of a computer camera.
解释一下在电脑摄像头前赤身裸体是多么令人兴奋。
Actually, with the camera there, I don't think about it much.
事实上，有了相机，我并没有想太多。
So whenever I'm normally naked in my room, that's when I would be on the camera.
因此，每当我通常在房间里赤身裸体时，我就会出现在镜头前。
It really doesn't affect me in much of a big way, I would say.
我想说，这确实不会对我产生太大影响。
But wait.
但是等等。
You're saying you're being naked in front of potentially a half million people, and it means nothing to you?
你是说你在可能有五十万人面前赤身裸体，但这对你来说毫无意义？
I think the camera would be a lot less interesting if I paid that much attention to it.
我认为如果我对相机投入那么多的注意力，它就会变得不那么有趣了。
It would be more of a staged show.
这将更像是一场舞台表演。
And you can go see a staged show anywhere.
你可以去任何地方观看演出。
I think the whole appeal of the camera is that it is whatever is normally going on in my room.
我认为相机的全部吸引力在于它是我房间里通常发生的一切。
And with it having been up for a year and a half now, I'm pretty accustomed to it being there.
现在它已经存在一年半了，我已经习惯了它的存在。
It doesn't affect me much, I would say.
我想说，这对我影响不大。
Have there been any moments over the last two years where you were sort of sorry that the camera was in the dorm room?
在过去的两年里，有没有什么时刻让你对相机放在宿舍里感到有点遗憾？
Actually, it goes sort of the opposite way.
事实上，情况恰恰相反。
Whenever I go home for breaks, for spring break or something like that, I'm always sad to be away from the camera.
每当我回家休息、春假或类似的事情时，我总是很难过远离镜头。
It's really a different feeling.
确实是一种不一样的感觉。
Whenever I'm in the room and the camera is broken for some reason, my room feels totally different.
每当我在房间里，相机由于某种原因坏了，我的房间就会感觉完全不同。
It's like I'm completely alone.
就好像我完全孤独了。
I usually prefer the camera be there.
我通常更喜欢相机在那里。
And I'm sad when it's off as opposed to wishing it weren't there.
当它关闭时我会感到难过，而不是希望它不存在。
Because you don't feel alone when it's on.
因为当它开启时，你不会感到孤独。
Right.
正确的。
Even though there's nobody actually there with me, even though I'm still alone, even if there's nobody watching the camera from the other end, it's just comforting to know that there is somebody metaphorically out there.
尽管实际上没有人在我身边，尽管我仍然孤身一人，即使没有人从另一端看着摄像机，但知道有人隐喻地在那里，这还是令人感到安慰。
In your view, why are so many people checking out the site each day?
在您看来，为什么每天有这么多人查看该网站？
A lot of the people, it's totally hoping to find me getting out of the shower, getting dressed for bed, things like that.
很多人完全希望看到我洗完澡，穿好衣服上床睡觉，诸如此类的事情。
It's hoping to find the nudity.
它希望找到裸体。
But I get lots of email from people who say that it's just nice, when they're alone in their office, to know that there's somebody else out there, somebody else that is doing nothing more interesting than what they're doing at the same time.
但我收到很多来自人们的电子邮件，他们说，当他们独自在办公室时，知道还有其他人在那里，其他人没有做比他们同时做的事情更有趣的事情，这真是太好了。
It's like having a little virtual friend.
就像有一个虚拟小朋友一样。
Now, at some point in the two years, you've probably had somebody over in the dorm room to mess around.
现在，在这两年的某个时刻，你可能有人在宿舍里闲逛。
At that point, it goes on the other person's comfortability.
到那时，就取决于对方的舒适度了。
I have no problem doing that.
我这样做没有问题。
And that's the whole point of the camera, is that it's whatever I'm doing.
这就是相机的全部意义所在，它就是我所做的一切。
When I went into this, I understood that in order to make it really work, it would have to be no matter what I was doing.
当我进入这个领域时，我明白，为了让它真正发挥作用，无论我在做什么，都必须是这样。
But I can't really enforce that on people who are visiting me.
但我无法真正对来拜访我的人强制执行这一点。
So if the other person is uncomfortable, then the camera is turned off or it points to a different part of the room.
因此，如果对方感到不舒服，那么摄像机就会关闭或指向房间的不同部分。
And generally, has the other person been uncomfortable?
一般来说，对方是否感到不舒服？
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass Was there ever a time that you actually had somebody over where you actually kept the camera on the two of you?
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 是否曾经有人在你身边，让相机一直对着你们两个？
Yes, in fact.
是的，事实上。
And the funny thing is that it never actually was broadcast, because the number of people suddenly reloading on the server ended up crashing the computer that posted the JenniCam at the time.
有趣的是，它实际上从未被播出，因为服务器上突然重新加载的人数最终导致当时发布 JenniCam 的计算机崩溃。
Wow.
哇。
Jenny Ringley So even though we were there and the camera was on, the server was crashed by the number of people wanting to see.
Jenny Ringley 所以，即使我们在那里并且摄像头也开着，服务器还是因为想看的人太多而崩溃了。
What's your impression of who these people are?
您对这些人的印象如何？
Oh, I don't know.
哦，我不知道。
Mostly men.
大部分是男性。
It's almost exclusively men.
几乎都是男性。
I get about 700 emails a day.
我每天收到大约 700 封电子邮件。
And of that number, maybe 10 are from women.
在这个数字中，大约有 10 个来自女性。
You get 700 emails a day?
您每天收到 700 封电子邮件？
Jenny Ringley Right.
珍妮·林利 对。
Well, a lot of those are entries to a contest on my web page called "Name That Curve," where, once a week, I put up a new picture of some closeup shot of a part of my body, and people guess what it is.
嗯，其中很多都是我网页上名为“命名那条曲线”的竞赛的参赛作品，每周一次，我都会在其中发布一张我身体某个部位的特写镜头的新照片，人们猜猜它是什么。
So I would say 300 or so of that number are "Name That Curve" entries.
所以我想说，其中 300 个左右是“命名该曲线”条目。
The rest of them are people saying either, "I saw your web page.
其余的人要么说：“我看到了你的网页。
I like your page," or "Can I call you?" Or "Can you send me private, special pictures?" It really, really ranges.
我喜欢你的页面”或“我可以给你打电话吗？”或者“你能给我发私人的、特别的照片吗？”它真的非常非常广泛。
Jenny says she spends five to six hours a day answering email.
珍妮说她每天花五到六个小时回复电子邮件。
And when I talked to her, on the one hand, there seemed to be something completely innocent in what she was doing, putting herself out there and not really caring who sees.
一方面，当我和她交谈时，她所做的事情似乎完全是无辜的，把自己摆在那里，并不真正关心谁会看到。
And if you press her about her own exhibitionism, she'll tell you over and over, "Oh, no, no, no. It's not about exhibitionism.
如果你向她追问她自己的暴露癖，她会一遍又一遍地告诉你，“哦，不，不，不。这与暴露癖无关。
It's an experiment in letting people view a person's entire life without editing." The one thing that she's gotten on the internet that she could never have gotten so easily any other way is she's famous within a small circle.
这是一个让人们在不经过编辑的情况下查看一个人的整个生活的实验。”她在互联网上得到的一件事是她在一个小圈子里出名，这是她用其他任何方式都无法轻易得到的。
It's a small, particular kind of thing.
这是一件小而特殊的事情。
I do get a fair number at this point of requests for autographed pictures and people wanting to buy my hair and my clothing, things like that.
目前我确实收到了相当多的索要签名照片的请求，还有人想买我的头发和衣服之类的东西。
What?
什么？
Jenny Ringley It's pretty scary.
珍妮·林利 这太可怕了。
Well, one time, I was caught on camera actually trimming my bangs, because if you're going to do that, it's cheaper.
嗯，有一次，我被摄像机拍到正在修剪刘海，因为如果你要这样做，它会更便宜。
And all of a sudden, I got 40 emails from people saying, "Are you going to do anything with that hair?
突然间，我收到了 40 封电子邮件，人们说：“你打算用那头发做点什么吗？
Can I buy it from you?"
我可以向你买吗？”
Well, I don't know.
嗯，我不知道。
It's kind of scary.
有点可怕。
I do meet people from time to time.
我确实时不时会遇到一些人。
Somebody'll say, "I'm passing through the area.
有人会说：“我正经过该地区。
Do you think I could meet you?"
你觉得我能见到你吗？”
And you say?
你说呢？
Jenny Ringley I actually have a pretty good knack for getting a good feeling about people right off the bat.
珍妮·林利（Jenny Ringley） 事实上，我有一个很好的本领，可以立即对别人产生好感。
So sometimes I say no. Sometimes I say yes.
所以有时候我会说不。有时我会说是的。
I've had dinner with, oh, probably a dozen people from the JenniCam.
我和，哦，可能是 JenniCam 的十几个人一起吃过晚饭。
And has that been nice?
这样好吗？
Jenny Ringley I had one person who had a hard time taking no for an answer, even after I made it abundantly clear I wasn't interested.
珍妮·林利（Jenny Ringley） 我遇到过一个人，即使在我明确表示我不感兴趣之后，也很难接受“不”的回答。
It is, kind of.
确实是这样。
I've had a fair number of improper passes at the end of the evening.
晚上结束时，我有过很多次不当的传球。
But it stays at a pass.
但它仍然停留在通过状态。
If there were a cable channel that would just have a camera on in your room, with no sound, 24 hours a day, do you think you'd get a half million viewers?
如果有一个有线电视频道，每天 24 小时在你的房间里开着一个摄像头，没有声音，你认为你会有 50 万观众吗？
I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
I don't think I would, because if you have the TV, you have other things you can watch.
我想我不会，因为如果你有电视，你就可以看其他东西。
I think it would still be popular.
我想它仍然会很受欢迎。
But I think at that point, it would be a lot less interesting, because people can do this from their offices.
但我认为到那时，事情就会变得不那么有趣了，因为人们可以在办公室里做到这一点。
At work, if they have internet usage that's not monitored from work, you can just put it on and leave it on in the background while you're doing whatever else on your computer.
在工作中，如果他们的互联网使用情况不受工作监控，您可以将其打开并在您在计算机上执行其他操作时将其保留在后台。
Jenny Ringley has just graduated from college.
珍妮·林利刚刚大学毕业。
She's moved to another city, where she's gotten a job designing web pages for a big national magazine.
她搬到了另一个城市，在那里她找到了一份为一家全国性大型杂志设计网页的工作。
Coming up, other tales from the net.
接下来，来自网络的其他故事。
That's in a minute when our program continues.
一会儿我们的节目就继续了。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Most weeks in our program, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
在我们节目的大多数星期里，我们都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
But this week, we are trying something different.
但本周，我们正在尝试一些不同的东西。
We're broadcasting from the Museum of Contemporary Art, here in Chicago, where we're taking what geologists might call a core sample of things happening on the internet, a very unscientific sample.
我们从芝加哥当代艺术博物馆进行广播，在那里我们采集了地质学家可能称之为互联网上发生的事情的核心样本，这是一个非常不科学的样本。
How are people using the net?
人们如何使用网络？
What is happening on the net that is not happening anywhere else or has not happened anywhere else?
网络上正在发生但在其他地方没有发生或在其他地方没有发生过的事情？
Over the last few weeks, we have advertised, asking people to come here today with things they have found on the net, including their own email exchanges.
在过去的几周里，我们发布了广告，要求人们今天带着他们在网上找到的东西来到这里，包括他们自己的电子邮件交流。
People from around the country are joining by telephone.
来自全国各地的人们通过电话加入。
My co-host today is playwright David Hauptschein, who's conducted these kinds of events in the past onstage here in Chicago.
今天我的共同主持人是剧作家大卫·豪普特沙因（David Hauptschein），他过去曾在芝加哥的舞台上主持过此类活动。
Welcome back, David.
欢迎回来，大卫。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Ira Glass Well, now, this example of people's lives changed by the internet.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：嗯，现在，这个例子说明了人们的生活被互联网改变了。
Eileen and Fred Kiefer live outside Columbus, Ohio.
艾琳·基弗和弗雷德·基弗住在俄亥俄州哥伦布市郊外。
They are septuagenarians with seven kids and 13 grandkids.
他们都是七十多岁的老人，有 7 个孩子和 13 个孙子。
OK, well, when we first got our email going on our computer, I sent a message to our son in Milwaukee, whose address was K-I-E-F-F.
好吧，当我们第一次在计算机上收到电子邮件时，我向密尔沃基的儿子发送了一条消息，他的地址是 K-I-E-F-F。
K-I-E-F-F.
K-I-E-F-F。
Eileen Kiefer Yeah.
艾琳·基弗 是的。
But it was my first time to use it, and I left one of the F's off.
但这是我第一次使用它，我把其中一个 F 关闭了。
Her email was a chatty email about everything going on in the family, signed, "Love, Mom."
她的电子邮件是一封闲聊的电子邮件，讲述了家里发生的一切，署名是“爱，妈妈”。
So I got back a letter from someone whose address was K-I-E-F.
于是我收到了一封来自地址为 K-I-E-F 的人的来信。
And he said, "I enjoyed this letter, but I don't think you meant it for me." So then, I wrote back and said thanks, and explained how I'd make the mistake.
他说：“我很喜欢这封信，但我不认为你是为了我而写的。”然后，我回信表示感谢，并解释了我是如何犯这个错误的。
And he wrote back.
他回信说。
And we've been writing now for, it'll be two years this month.
我们现在一直在写，这个月就满两年了。
The man, the couple, actually, who got her email were Kiefer and Galen Mitchell in Portland, Oregon.
事实上，收到她电子邮件的那对夫妇是俄勒冈州波特兰市的基弗·米切尔和盖伦·米切尔。
He works at Tandy and does a radio show out there.
他在 Tandy 工作并在那里做广播节目。
And when he got Mrs. Kiefer's email in his account, the thing that actually got to him was that she signed it, "Love, Mom." His own mother had just died two months before.
当他在自己的帐户中收到基弗夫人的电子邮件时，真正让他感动的是她在邮件上签了字：“爱，妈妈。”他自己的母亲两个月前刚刚去世。
His father had been dead for years.
他的父亲已经去世多年了。
Mrs. Kiefer said she never intended or wanted to have a long-term email friendship.
基弗夫人说，她从来没有打算或不想建立长期的电子邮件友谊。
It seems like we had nothing in common going in-- the age difference, and they had no children.
我们似乎没有任何共同点——年龄差异，而且他们没有孩子。
And they're Mormons, and we're Catholics.
他们是摩门教徒，我们是天主教徒。
It seemed like there wasn't a whole lot that we had to talk about.
看起来我们没有太多要谈的。
But we never have any trouble.
但我们从来没有遇到任何麻烦。
At first, we were writing every day.
起初，我们每天都在写作。
We were both so excited about this.
我们都对此感到非常兴奋。
And now, we're usually in touch at least once a week.
现在，我们通常每周至少联系一次。
And we visited.
我们参观了。
And he's in Oregon.
他在俄勒冈州。
We're in Ohio.
我们在俄亥俄州。
Visited in Portland last year and spent a couple days with him and had a wonderful time.
去年访问了波特兰，与他一起度过了几天，度过了一段美好的时光。
And they're, like, 30 years younger than we are.
他们比我们年轻 30 岁。
So we've become Mom and Dad.
就这样，我们成为了爸爸妈妈。
And we've adopted them.
我们已经采用了它们。
They call them our illegally adopted children.
他们称他们为非法领养的孩子。
And in December, when I had a serious operation, he was on the phone every night just like the rest of our kids.
十二月，当我做了一次严重的手术时，他每天晚上都打电话，就像我们其他的孩子一样。
So he's really become one of our kids.
所以他真的成为了我们的孩子之一。
So what in the world was it in those first emails they sent two years ago?
那么他们两年前发送的第一封电子邮件到底写了什么？
What could people possibly say to create a bond like that?
人们可能会说什么来建立这样的联系？
Oh, I don't remember.
哦，我不记得了。
I just remember indicating that I was 70.
我只记得说我70岁了。
So I didn't want anybody to think we were going to have this big romance or anything.
所以我不想让任何人认为我们将会有一场盛大的浪漫之类的事情。
Because, you know, you read these stories about people doing weird things with people on the internet.
因为，你知道，你读过这些关于人们在互联网上与人做奇怪事情的故事。
We never had that problem.
我们从来没有遇到过这个问题。
We have seven children.
我们有七个孩子。
And all of them have email except one.
除了一封之外，他们所有人都有电子邮件。
And the ones out of town we hear from a couple times a week.
我们每周都会收到几次来自城外的人的来信。
One of our daughters we hear from almost daily.
我们几乎每天都会收到我们其中一位女儿的来信。
Now, did you have as much contact with them before email?
现在，在发送电子邮件之前，您与他们有过同样多的联系吗？
Oh, no. No, we would talk on the phone maybe once a month.
哦，不。不，我们可能每月通一次电话。
And it was always, "How are you?" And you never really were part of their lives that way.
总是这样，“你好吗？”而你从来没有真正成为他们生活的一部分。
Two of our children live in Boston.
我们的两个孩子住在波士顿。
And while we were always close, we weren't communicating very often.
虽然我们总是很亲密，但我们并不经常交流。
So email has really brought you all closer together.
所以电子邮件确实拉近了你们之间的距离。
Oh, it's wonderful.
哦，太棒了。
I keep trying to talk everybody I know into it if their children have access to a computer.
我一直试图说服我认识的每个人都同意他们的孩子可以使用电脑。
It's changed our lives a lot.
它改变了我们的生活很多。
It's just changed our lives.
它只是改变了我们的生活。
I wouldn't think of not checking the computer first thing in the morning to see who's writing.
我不会想到早上第一件事不检查电脑看看谁在写。
Another reader?
另一位读者？
David Hauptschein You have one there?
David Hauptschein 你那里有一个吗？
Sure, plenty.
当然，很多。
David Hauptschein OK, let's go with another reader.
David Hauptschein 好吧，让我们和另一位读者一起去吧。
Our next reader participant, Steve Sedin.
我们的下一位读者参与者是史蒂夫·塞丁。
Steve Sedin.
史蒂夫·塞丁。
Steve Sedin I came across a Usenet group called alt.amazonwomen.admirers.
Steve Sedin 我遇到了一个名为 alt.amazonwomen.admirers 的 Usenet 小组。
And this is a short dialogue between two guys.
这是两个人之间的简短对话。
Guy one: "I was just talking with someone.
第一个人：“我只是在和某人说话。
And we started thinking about a couple of girls we know that used to give us piggyback rides.
我们开始想起几个我们认识的女孩，她们过去常常骑在我们身上。
Here's an interesting thought.
这是一个有趣的想法。
One girl was, like, 5'2", weighed 110 pounds.
一名女孩身高约 5 英尺 2 英寸，体重 110 磅。
She wasn't a great athlete and didn't have a lot of muscle, and she was able to give me piggyback rides with ease, while I weigh close to 200 pounds.
她不是一个出色的运动员，也没有很多肌肉，但她能够轻松地让我背着骑，而我的体重接近 200 磅。
So with that thought in mind, I'm curious to know, assuming you believe that piggyback rides are the easiest way to lift a person, which they are, how much weight would you guess some fitness and body building women could lift piggyback?
因此，考虑到这一点，我很想知道，假设您认为背驮式骑行是举起一个人的最简单方法（事实确实如此），您认为一些健身和健美女性可以背负着多少重量？
I mean, if they can lift 200-pound guys over their shoulders and press them overhead, just imagine how much they could lift piggyback.
我的意思是，如果他们可以将 200 磅重的人举过肩并压过头顶，想象一下他们可以背负多少重量。
Any thoughts?"
有什么想法吗？”
So the response to that is, "Yeah, here's a thought.
所以对此的回应是：“是的，这是一个想法。
Where are the lift-a-200-pound-man-overhead-and-press-him women?
那些把 200 磅重的男人举过头顶并按他的女人在哪里？
Boy, would I ever like to see that.
男孩，我想看到那个吗？
I mean, who cares about piggyback rides?
我的意思是，谁在乎骑背式骑行？
A piggyback ride isn't a lift at all.
背驮式乘车根本不是电梯。
The man just climbs on.
那人只是爬上去。
And all the weight is supported by the bones of the legs, because the legs are already locked out.
而所有的重量都是由腿骨支撑的，因为腿已经被锁定了。
Not impressive, not sexy.
不令人印象深刻，也不性感。
But to see a woman militarily press a man, now, that's worth paying to see.
但现在，看到一个女人用武力压制一个男人，那是值得花钱看的。
My greatest thrill would be to see a tall, muscular woman pick up a tiny man under his armpits and dangle him in midair.
我最兴奋的就是看到一个身材高大、肌肉发达的女人把一个身材矮小的男人夹在腋下，把他挂在半空中。
Impossible, you say?
你说不可能？
Maybe.
或许。
But consider this.
但考虑一下这一点。
In 1988, the women's weightlifting championships were dominated by young, teenage girls.
1988年，女子举重锦标赛主要由年轻的少女主导。
I saw a 16-year-old Chinese girl snatch 165 pounds as though it were a feather.
我看到一个16岁的中国女孩像羽毛一样抓起165磅的重物。
She cleaned and jerked 231 pounds without so much as making a face.
她连鬼脸都没做就拉了 231 磅的重物。
She weighed 132 pounds.
她体重132磅。
Try this, guys.
试试这个，伙计们。
Go to your garage and load up that old barbell with, say, 270 pounds.
去你的车库把那个旧杠铃装上，比如 270 磅。
Try to dead-lift it.
尝试硬拉它。
See how heavy it feels.
看看感觉有多重。
Now, picture a cute, 17-year-old 99-pound pound Chinese girl take that same barbell and lift it all the way overhead in about five seconds." So the response to that is, "Yes, I agree.
现在，想象一个可爱的 17 岁、体重 99 磅的中国女孩拿着同一个杠铃，在大约五秒钟内将其一直举过头顶。”所以对此的回应是，“是的，我同意。
Now we're getting close to the real thing." Thank you.
现在我们已经接近真实的情况了。”谢谢。
[APPLAUSE] Ira Glass Our next reader, Dolores.
[掌声] Ira Glass 我们的下一位读者，Dolores。
Dolores.
多洛丽丝.
Dolores OK, this is a romance story.
多洛雷斯 好吧，这是一个浪漫故事。
I met this guy last fall.
我去年秋天认识了这个人。
And he worked most of the week in another part of the country.
他一周的大部分时间都在该国的另一个地方工作。
He would fly out on Sunday night and come back on Thursday night.
他会在周日晚上飞出去，周四晚上回来。
So our romance was conducted through the net.
所以我们的恋情是通过网络进行的。
And because he was away so much, we talked or emailed back and forth every day.
由于他经常外出，我们每天都会来回交谈或发电子邮件。
And I don't know if other people have had this experience, but if you start going out with someone and you're writing them over the net, it's very exciting.
我不知道其他人是否有过这种经历，但是如果你开始和某人约会并且在网上写下来，那是非常令人兴奋的。
You come home, and you turn on the computer, and it's one of the first things that you think about.
你回到家，打开电脑，这是你首先想到的事情之一。
And it really adds this element that, I don't know, I've never had before.
它确实添加了这个元素，我不知道，我以前从未有过。
So anyway, we went out for about three or four months.
无论如何，我们出去了大约三四个月。
And we fell in love.
我们相爱了。
But eventually, we started to have problems.
但最终，我们开始遇到问题。
Our daily correspondence became more and more strained.
我们的日常通信变得越来越紧张。
And finally, I wrote him this email that I'm going to read to you.
最后，我给他写了这封电子邮件，我将读给你听。
"Dear Sam, I feel like I'm making you feel worse, and I can't bear that.
“亲爱的萨姆，我觉得我让你感觉更糟了，我无法忍受。
I am so sorry.
我很抱歉。
I think that you should have peace.
我认为你应该保持平静。
And I pray for you.
我为你祈祷。
I pray for that for you every day.
我每天都为你祈祷。
I think you should take some time and call me when you do feel more peace."
我认为你应该花一些时间，当你感到更加平静时给我打电话。”
So this was very heartfelt.
所以这是非常发自内心的。
And I did think that he would write me back.
我确实认为他会给我回信。
And after about two and a half weeks, he hadn't written me.
大约两个半星期后，他没有给我写信。
And this was a dramatic departure for us.
这对我们来说是一个戏剧性的转变。
And so when we finally did talk, it was like Vietnam.
所以当我们最终交谈时，情况就像越南一样。
There was about 36 hours of a intense meltdown.
大约持续了 36 个小时的剧烈崩溃。
And I fired out five hysterical emails, which I won't read to you.
我发了五封歇斯底里的电子邮件，我不会读给你听。
And we broke up.
我们分手了。
And while we were breaking up, my computer crashed.
当我们分手时，我的电脑死机了。
And I lost all of my email.
我丢失了所有电子邮件。
And so I lost all of this correspondence from him, which was 100 pages, easily.
于是我轻易地就丢掉了他所有的 100 页信件。
And I wrote him.
我写信给他。
And I told them about this.
我告诉他们这件事。
And he sent me two caches of folders, his mail and my mail.
他给我发了两个文件夹缓存，他的邮件和我的邮件。
Well, at that time, I didn't want to read through all of this.
好吧，当时我并不想读完这一切。
It was a little too painful.
有点太痛苦了。
I just wanted it.
我只是想要它。
I wanted to have it.
我想拥有它。
So when I prepared for this show tonight, I decided to go back and read through it.
所以当我今晚准备这个节目时，我决定回去读一遍。
And I discovered something, which was that he did email me back.
我发现了一件事，那就是他确实给我回了电子邮件。
I just never got it.
我只是从来没有得到它。
And part of the hell-- I was in hell for those two or three weeks before we talked.
地狱的一部分——在我们谈话之前的两三个星期，我就在地狱里。
So this is what he emailed me that I discovered.
这就是我发现的他给我发的电子邮件。
It said, "Dolores, you are so good a person.
它说：“多洛雷斯，你是一个很好的人。
I'm very proud to know you and have you in my life.
我很自豪认识你并让你出现在我的生活中。
I will take some time and get grounded, and then call you.
我会花一些时间静下心来，然后给你打电话。
Thanks for all your love and understanding." Well, I was flabbergasted.
感谢你们的爱和理解。”好吧，我很惊讶。
It took me several days to even wrap my mind around the fact that he had sent this.
我花了好几天的时间才明白这是他寄来的。
And it completely altered my experience of that time and of him.
这完全改变了我对那段时间和他的经历。
And I still can't quite assimilate it, really.
我仍然无法完全理解它，真的。
Do you think it's possible that he faked it when he sent you the batch of emails back?
你认为他给你发回的这批邮件有可能是伪造的吗？
Now, this is the question that every man I tell this story to asks me.
现在，这是我讲述这个故事的每个人都问我的问题。
It didn't occur to me.
我没想到。
And he would have had to have gone through quite a bit of trouble to do it, because it is encoded with all of the information.
他必须经历相当多的麻烦才能做到这一点，因为它是用所有信息编码的。
I don't know.
我不知道。
What do you think?
你觉得怎么样？
Our next reader, Sarah, is somebody who has a story for us.
我们的下一位读者莎拉是一个有故事要讲给我们听的人。
This involves a guy who picked out my photo in what we call the "MeetBook" for incoming freshmen.
这涉及到一个人在我们为新生提供的“MeetBook”中挑选了我的照片。
It has every freshman and a little bio data.
它有每个新生和一些生物数据。
And he liked me.
他喜欢我。
But none of our friends knew each other, so he couldn't meet me.
但我们的朋友都不认识，所以他没能见到我。
And what he ended up doing was obsessing about my photo and deciding, well, I can't just obsess about her photo.
他最终所做的是痴迷于我的照片，并决定，好吧，我不能只痴迷于她的照片。
I'd like to know more about her as a person.
我想更多地了解她这个人。
So he sent out this broadcast message to everybody in the dorm I lived in that was on the net at the time, asking what I was like.
于是他就向我住的宿舍里的每个人发出了当时网上的广播信息，询问我的情况。
So all these strangers responded.
所以所有这些陌生人都做出了回应。
And they just made stuff up.
他们只是编造了一些东西。
But it was very positive, because what happened was, he ended up writing me a letter on paper, using quotes about all the things that people had said about me, that I was cheerful and intelligent and had a good disposition.
但这是非常积极的，因为发生的事情是，他最终在纸上给我写了一封信，引用了人们对我的所有评价，说我开朗、聪明，性格很好。
He decided I was a rare commodity.
他认为我是稀有商品。
I should call him.
我应该给他打电话。
And I was kind of cornered into calling him by my friends.
我是被朋友逼着才给他打电话的。
But this is a story that went nowhere, because he was truly not someone I wanted to end up going out with.
但这是一个没有结果的故事，因为他真的不是我最终想与之约会的人。
Do you think that the way that he decided to approach you was a tip-off that that might have been?
你认为他决定接近你的方式是否是一种暗示？
Yeah, I have to admit that-- the first thing he said when I called him up-- because he was really nervous, and I really didn't care-- he said, "OK, we can get together.
是的，我必须承认——当我打电话给他时他说的第一句话——因为他真的很紧张，而我真的不在乎——他说，“好吧，我们可以聚在一起。
But not Friday night, because Friday night's the ping-pong tournament."
但周五晚上不行，因为周五晚上是乒乓球比赛。”
Well, thank you for that, the rigmarole.
好吧，谢谢你，胡言乱语。
Our next presenter, our next reader, Noel.
我们的下一位演讲者，我们的下一位读者，诺埃尔。
My name is Noel, and I'm diastematic.
我叫诺埃尔，我是个口裂者。
Anybody here know what that means?
这里有人知道这意味着什么吗？
It means that I have a gap between my front two teeth.
这意味着我的两颗门牙之间有一个间隙。
For those of you unfamiliar with this whole website gap-tooth thing, I built a website for gap-tooth people.
对于那些不熟悉整个网站间隙牙齿事物的人，我为间隙牙齿人建立了一个网站。
So, yeah, idiotic.
所以，是的，白痴。
You want it, you've got it.
你想要它，你就得到了。
But I'm in good company.
但我的同伴很好。
10% of America, including David Letterman, Lauren Hutton, Noam Chomsky, Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, Itzhak Perlman, Chaucer's Wife of Bath, Vince Lombardi, blah, blah, blah, all with two cleavage.
美国10%的人，包括大卫·莱特曼、劳伦·赫顿、诺姆·乔姆斯基、最高法院法官桑德拉·戴·奥康纳、伊扎克·帕尔曼、乔叟的巴斯之妻、文斯·隆巴迪，等等，等等，都是两条乳沟。
I must admit, for better or for worse, yes, I'm the one who built this website.
我必须承认，无论好坏，是的，我是建立这个网站的人。
But the emphasis is humor.
但重点是幽默。
In early November last year-- Ira Glass Wait, humor verses what?
去年十一月初——Ira Glass 等等，幽默诗句是什么？
Like attacks at people without gaps in their teeth?
就像攻击牙齿没有缝隙的人一样？
What would be other thing that you would do-- you would proselytize, try bring people over, encourage people to create gaps in their teeth?
你还会做什么其他的事情——你会劝说人们改变信仰，尝试让人们过来，鼓励人们在牙齿上制造缝隙？
Absolutely.
绝对的。
David Hauptschein Are you working with any orthodontists?
David Hauptschein 您是否与正畸医生一起工作？
This will hit on a lot of those themes.
这将涉及很多这样的主题。
In the early November last year, I was watching a Bears-Packers game.
去年11月初，我观看了熊队与包装工队的比赛。
And during the pregame ceremonies, the USPS, the post office, unveiled art for a new stamp, due this summer, featuring the late great Vince Lombardi, who was one of the greatest gappers ever to live.
在赛前仪式上，美国邮政总局（邮局）揭开了今年夏天发行的新邮票的艺术图，其中包括已故伟大的文斯·隆巴迪（Vince Lombardi），他是有史以来最伟大的间隙者之一。
He was on a stamp, riding high atop the team in the throes of victory, smiling huge.
他就像一枚邮票，在胜利的阵痛中高高在上，笑容灿烂。
But something was missing, Coach Lombardi's trademark gap-toothed grin.
但缺少了一些东西，那就是隆巴迪教练标志性的露牙笑容。
He had near-perfect pearly whites, and the gap was gone.
他拥有近乎完美的珍珠白，差距消失了。
The next day, as a joke, I added a page to the gap-tooth website, protesting the post office's depiction of Lombardi as a cosmetically-altered hero.
第二天，我开玩笑地在间隙牙齿网站上添加了一个页面，抗议邮局将隆巴尔迪描绘成一个经过整容的英雄。
Who would Don King be if he were bald?
如果唐·金是秃头的话他会是谁？
Or Gorbachev without the Kool-Aid stain?
或者没有酷爱饮料污点的戈尔巴乔夫？
Or Jimmy Durante without that nose?
或者没有那个鼻子的吉米·杜兰特？
So knowing that this was one small effort to have a little fun while making a point, knowing that this was the Web, the oddball media that gets no real merit for its content, I expected little to no attention.
因此，我知道这是在表达观点的同时获得一点乐趣的一个小小的努力，知道这是网络，是奇怪的媒体，其内容没有真正的价值，我预计很少或不会受到关注。
But then came Yahoo, which featured it as a weekly pick.
但后来雅虎来了，它把它列为每周精选。
The Washington Post had me on the phone and ran a half-page story with my before and after pics.
《华盛顿邮报》给我打电话，用我之前和之后的照片刊登了一篇半页的故事。
Chicago's Channel 7 came to my apartment and ran a story on its 6 o'clock news just for the Super Bowl.
芝加哥第七频道来到我的公寓，在六点钟新闻中专门报道了超级碗的报道。
Getting out of hand?
失控？
Yeah, timeout.
是啊，超时了。
If you're thinking this pathetic web-based protest should never have received any attention, I'm in agreement with you.
如果您认为这种可悲的网络抗议不应该受到任何关注，我同意您的观点。
What was ironic about this story is that they painted me as a freak-- imagine that-- a superfan, ready to strap myself with bombs and blow up my teeth and Washington, D.C., if they didn't change the art.
这个故事的讽刺之处在于，他们把我描绘成一个怪胎——想象一下——一个超级粉丝，如果他们不改变艺术，就准备用炸弹绑住自己，炸毁我的牙齿和华盛顿特区。
And it was all pretty much lighthearted.
一切都很轻松。
So Bob, the artist of the postage stamp, latched back to the AP.
因此，邮票艺术家鲍勃又回到了美联社。
And I thought, this is just fun.
我想，这很有趣。
I mean, I'm just running a website for gap-toothed people.
我的意思是，我只是在为牙齿不齐的人运营一个网站。
You can't take me that seriously.
你不能这么认真地对待我。
So I called up Bob, and we talked about the stamp.
所以我打电话给鲍勃，我们讨论了邮票的问题。
We discussed angles and art representation.
我们讨论了角度和艺术表现。
He was a really nice guy.
他是一个非常好的人。
I was thinking about dropping the protest already when he told me his three-year-old daughter was gap-toothed.
当他告诉我他三岁的女儿牙齿有缝隙时，我已经在考虑放弃抗议了。
And that was it.
就是这样。
Protest over.
抗议结束。
But what still gets me today is that the Web has the power to make insignificant things seem real, that email can really serve as a powerful form of protest, which it did in this case, and that people, including myself, really do have too much time on their hands.
但今天仍然让我印象深刻的是，网络有能力让无关紧要的事情变得真实，电子邮件确实可以作为一种强有力的抗议形式，在这种情况下它确实做到了，而且人们，包括我自己，确实有太多的空闲时间。
Well, as we looked for those stories from the net for this show, especially stories of things happened on that net might not happen anywhere else, we found Earl Jackson.
嗯，当我们为这个节目从网上寻找那些故事时，特别是那些发生在网上的事情可能不会发生在其他地方的故事，我们找到了厄尔·杰克逊。
He's an associate professor of Comparative Literature at the University of California at Santa Cruz.
他是加州大学圣克鲁斯分校比较文学副教授。
And he spends a lot of time on the net.
而且他花了很多时间上网。
He writes about the net, has seven websites himself.
他撰写有关网络的文章，自己拥有七个网站。
And he tells the story, which begins on America Online.
他讲述了这个故事，故事始于美国在线。
I was on AOL and other services in San Francisco a lot.
我经常使用 AOL 和旧金山的其他服务。
And there are these chat rooms where gay men can meet and talk.
还有一些聊天室，男同性恋者可以在那里见面和交谈。
And in San Francisco, it's fairly wild.
在旧金山，情况相当疯狂。
There's a 24-hour bulletin board that I was observing for this study was doing, where you could almost be guaranteed that, if you lived in San Francisco and you had a modem, you could have sex any time of the day or night.
我在这项研究中观察了一个 24 小时的公告牌，在那里你几乎可以保证，如果你住在旧金山并且有调制解调器，你可以在白天或晚上的任何时间发生性行为。
This was a very goal-directed bulletin board.
这是一个目标明确的公告板。
Right.
对。
And you would know exactly what they wanted to do.
而且你会确切地知道他们想做什么。
And you'd probably have nude pictures of them before that.
在那之前你可能已经有他们的裸照了。
What I also thought was really interesting-- and this was more true of AOL-- that there was a new metaphysics of sexuality, because people would talk about cybersex or real sex.
我还认为非常有趣的是——对于美国在线来说更是如此——存在一种关于性的新形而上学，因为人们会谈论网络性或真实的性。
And it occurred to me, after I listened to enough, by real sex, they meant phone sex.
当我听够了之后，我突然想到，真正的性爱，他们指的是电话性爱。
Oh, really?
哦，真的吗？
Earl Jackson Yeah, so it became, instead of a two-tier system, it's a three-tier system.
Earl Jackson 是的，所以它不再是两层系统，而是三层系统。
And you have real sex, ultra-real sex, and cybersex.
你有真实的性爱、超真实的性爱和网络性爱。
That would mean what I call a slow-time interface, which means actual physical contact.
这意味着我所说的慢速界面，即实际的物理接触。
God, do people still do that?
天哪，现在还有人这样做吗？
Earl Jackson Yes.
厄尔·杰克逊 是的。
Earl Jackson says that he meets more and more people who've hooked up what amounts to video cameras on their computers.
厄尔·杰克逊说，他遇到越来越多的人在电脑上连接了相当于摄像机的东西。
With a technology called CU-SeeMe, they can look at the person they're interacting with over the net.
借助一种名为 CU-SeeMe 的技术，他们可以查看通过网络与之交互的人。
I know people that actually leave physical dates to go home and have sex over the net with the quick cam.
我知道有些人实际上会离开约会回家并通过快速摄像头在网上发生性行为。
Come-- Earl Jackson It's true.
来吧——厄尔·杰克逊 这是真的。
There's an entire culture that's entirely video transmission sexuality now.
现在有一种完全是视频传输性的文化。
Talk a little more about that.
多谈谈这一点。
You actually know somebody who actually left an actual date--
你实际上认识一个真正留下过约会对象的人——
Yeah, me, in fact.
是的，事实上是我。
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass Oh, they left you?
艾拉·格拉斯 哦，他们离开了你？
Yeah, they left me.
是的，他们离开了我。
But he said that that is what he does lately.
但他说这就是他最近所做的。
And I understood that, because a lot of men are afraid of sexual contact because of AIDS.
我理解这一点，因为很多男人因为艾滋病而害怕性接触。
So the perfect thing to eroticize is distance.
所以，最适合色情的东西就是距离。
And so he says to you-- at what point in the evening did he say, "I'm going to go home now?"
所以他对你说——晚上什么时候他说：“我现在要回家了？”
Pretty soon.
很快。
He said that he really needed to do the CU-SeeMe stuff.
他说他确实需要做 CU-SeeMe 的事情。
Back in December of 1993, Earl Jackson met a guy over the net in one of these gay chat rooms.
早在 1993 年 12 月，厄尔·杰克逊 (Earl Jackson) 在其中一个同性恋聊天室中通过网络认识了一个人。
The guy's name was Ken, lived nearby.
那个人名叫肯，住在附近。
But he had a boyfriend.
但他有男朋友。
So the two never met in person.
所以两人从未见过面。
But almost every day for a year, they got online together and created these elaborate fantasies together online, using that kind of software where you can see what the other person types as they type it, and they can see what you type as you type it.
但一年来，他们几乎每天都在一起上网，一起在网上创造出这些精心设计的幻想，使用那种软件，你可以在别人打字时看到他们打字的内容，他们也可以在你打字时看到你打字的内容。
We would have a fantasy about, what if he came to my classroom and then I took him back into my office?
我们会幻想，如果他来到我的教室，然后我把他带回我的办公室怎么办？
But it was really sort of a game.
但这确实是一场游戏。
But these narratives became so intense that we would set times of the day, or he would just check in.
但这些叙述变得如此激烈，以至于我们会设定一天中的时间，或者他只会检查。
And he said, "Do you have time for a story now?" And he would start it.
他说：“你现在有时间讲故事吗？”他会开始它。
And then I'd continue it.
然后我会继续下去。
And we have all of these stories.
我们有所有这些故事。
But as we kept doing this, then a little part of his life would come in.
但当我们继续这样做时，他生活的一小部分就会融入其中。
And then there would be a story that we take us somewhere else.
然后就会有一个故事，我们把我们带到别的地方。
And then I'd know a little bit more.
然后我就会知道更多一点。
And soon, the sex part was really an excuse to tell the other stories.
很快，性爱部分就成为了讲述其他故事的借口。
And sometimes, he would be telling this story about his childhood in Missouri.
有时，他会讲述他在密苏里州童年的故事。
And then it would remind him of a social fantasy.
然后这会让他想起一个社会幻想。
And then he'd put me in it.
然后他就把我放进去。
And you couldn't plan to do these things.
而且你不能计划做这些事情。
We became sort of like jazz pianists or something.
我们变得有点像爵士钢琴家之类的。
We'd have these riffs together.
我们会把这些连复段放在一起。
Then one day, he was asking me if I had time to talk to him.
然后有一天，他问我是否有时间和他谈谈。
And I was just leaving.
我正要离开。
But I could tell that even the way he was typing was different.
但我看得出来，连他打字的方式都不同。
You could tell even the way he was typing was different?
你甚至能看出他打字的方式不同吗？
People have different habits in their speed or the way he would respond or if he didn't put a smiley face after a certain number words.
人们对速度或他的反应方式或他在一定数量的单词后没有放笑脸的习惯有不同的习惯。
I just knew there was something really wrong with the way he asked me if I had time.
我只知道他问我是否有时间的方式确实有问题。
And he said, "Bad news, son." And I think I knew instantly what that was.
他说：“坏消息，儿子。”我想我立刻就知道那是什么了。
He had tested positive.
他的检测呈阳性。
And he didn't know how to break it to me.
他不知道如何向我打破它。
And our messages to each other then became a lot more about that and about what happened to him as a child and other things that were fairly tragic and amazing that he was telling anybody, because he was really one of the strong, silent types.
然后我们互相传递的信息更多地是关于这件事，关于他小时候发生的事情，以及他告诉任何人的其他相当悲惨和令人惊讶的事情，因为他确实是坚强、沉默的类型之一。
Then-- this is when I should have gotten more nervous-- he started saying that he didn't want any of his porn tapes anymore, because he associated porn with him being positive.
然后——这是我应该变得更加紧张的时候——他开始说他不再想要他的任何色情录像带，因为他将色情与他的积极态度联系在一起。
So he wanted to mail them to me.
所以他想把它们邮寄给我。
And he mailed me a box of them.
他给我寄了一盒。
I didn't really want them, but he wanted to do this for me.
我并不是真的想要它们，但他想为我做这件事。
So there was suddenly a box of porn tapes in my house.
于是我家里突然出现了一盒色情磁带。
And then the following week, there was one, too.
接下来的一周，也出现了一个。
And just before I got back to San Francisco, I got a message from him, hoping that I was well and hoping I got the tapes.
就在我回到旧金山之前，我收到了他的一条消息，希望我一切都好，并希望我能拿到录音带。
And he said that I'd get another message very soon.
他说我很快就会收到另一条消息。
Now, he was writing to me almost entirely in capital letters, which scared me.
现在，他给我写的信几乎全是大写字母，这让我感到害怕。
And I didn't know why.
我不知道为什么。
But here's the last one.
但这是最后一个。
"I have it all boxed up now.
“我现在已经把一切都装箱了。
I will give it to my friend.
我会把它给我的朋友。
He will mail it for me like he did before.
他会像以前一样为我邮寄。
And it will arrive either Thursday or Friday via two-day express.
它将通过两天快递在周四或周五送达。
I have a letter coming to you to help explain a few things.
我有一封信要写给您，请您解释一些事情。
Thank you for being a friend when I really needed it.
谢谢你在我真正需要的时候成为我的朋友。
Kenneth."
肯尼思。”
And then, three days, nothing.
然后，三天了，什么也没有。
And then there's just one line.
然后就只有一行了。
"A package should arrive today, 1/19/95.
“包裹应该会在今天 95 年 1 月 19 日送达。
Email me.
给我发电子邮件。
Cruiser3.
巡洋舰3.
Bye.
再见。
Love, Ken.
爱，肯。
And then on the 25th, there was one that looked like it was from Ken.
然后在 25 日，有一封看起来像是来自 Ken 的邮件。
It was his screen name.
这是他的网名。
But then, when I opened it up, it said, "This is a hard note for me to write.
但当我打开它时，它说：“这对我来说很难写。
Ken left a note to ask me to let you know.
肯留下了一张纸条让我通知你。
Ken took his own life on Friday, January 20.
1 月 20 日星期五，肯结束了自己的生命。
He was cremated yesterday, and his ashes will be dropped into the ocean off San Francisco today.
他昨天被火化，今天他的骨灰将被撒入旧金山附近的大海。
Ken's mental attitude over the last four to six weeks is very hard to describe.
肯在过去四到六周里的精神状态很难描述。
He was a basket case, to say the least.
至少可以说，他是一个废人。
I will keep his account open for the next day if you have any questions or response, and I will try to answer them for you.
如果您有任何问题或回复，我会在第二天保留他的帐户，我会尽力为您解答。
Ken's friend, Dave."
肯的朋友戴夫。”
Did he send you a final note in the last package he sent you?
他在寄给您的最后一个包裹中是否给您寄了最后一张纸条？
Yeah.
是的。
It was the only time I ever saw his handwriting.
这是我唯一一次看到他的笔迹。
And that said similar things to this.
这也说了类似的话。
it was just, "Thank you for being a friend when I needed it.
只是，“谢谢你在我需要的时候成为我的朋友。
And I will always love you."
我会永远爱你。”
It must have been so strange to see a physical manifestation of him after the email.
邮件发出后看到他的身体表现一定很奇怪。
It was.
是的。
And what was really odd was that, when he first sent the first box of tapes, he told me which tape had a scene where the two people are the ones that he imagined us to be.
真正奇怪的是，当他第一次寄出第一盒磁带时，他告诉我哪盘磁带中有一个场景，其中两个人就是他想象中的我们。
Now, that doesn't mean that he looked like either one of them.
现在，这并不意味着他看起来像他们中的任何一个。
But he knew the fantasy scenario that would resonate with us.
但他知道会引起我们共鸣的幻想场景。
So even at that point, our fantasies were constantly mediated by some other technology.
因此，即使在那时，我们的幻想也不断地受到其他一些技术的调节。
And-- which is probably hard for you to imagine-- but none of this cold.
而且——这可能你很难想象——但没有这么冷。
There was something so tender about this that I was very moved by this experience.
这件事是如此温柔，以至于我对这次经历非常感动。
After he died, did you go through a period of mourning for him?
他去世后，你为他经历过一段哀悼期吗？
Yes, I did.
是的，我做到了。
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass What a strange thing to be mourning somebody who you never actually saw.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 哀悼一个你从未真正见过的人是一件多么奇怪的事情。
Yeah, although it's real.
是的，虽然这是真的。
When people say, oh, the computers are making us all isolated and it's such a cold world, I've had emotional experiences and long-term friendships that would have never been possible otherwise.
当人们说，哦，电脑让我们变得孤立，世界如此寒冷，我已经拥有了情感体验和长期的友谊，否则这些都是不可能的。
It's funny, because it's almost like the whole thing, it could be a con, an elaborate con.
这很有趣，因为这几乎就像整个事情一样，它可能是一个骗局，一个精心设计的骗局。
But he would be such a creep that-- I thought of that, actually, because it seemed almost like a melodrama from a long time ago.
但他会是一个如此令人毛骨悚然的人——事实上，我想到了这一点，因为这看起来几乎就像是很久以前的情节剧。
It was really tawdry.
真的很俗气。
And if I wrote a short story, I wouldn't end it this way, because it was too hokey.
如果我写一个短篇小说，我不会这样结束，因为它太做作了。
After he died, you know how after somebody you were close to is gone, how when you go back to the places where you used to go with them, you'll think of them inevitably and miss them.
他去世后，你知道当你亲近的人离开后，当你回到曾经和他们一起去的地方时，你会不可避免地想起他们并想念他们。
After he was gone, when you would get back on your computer, would you sense his loss?
他离开后，当你重新打开电脑时，你会感觉到他的失落吗？
Yes.
是的。
Yeah, he really felt gone.
是的，他真的感觉自己消失了。
He really felt gone.
他真的感觉自己消失了。
When I saw somebody else using his screen name, to get a stranger with his screen name, that was really, really chilling.
当我看到其他人使用他的网名，让一个陌生人使用他的网名时，这真的非常非常令人不寒而栗。
Earl Jackson in Santa Cruz.
厄尔·杰克逊在圣克鲁斯。
Credits Ira Glass Well, our program was produced today by Paul Tough, Dolores Wilber, Julie Snyder, and myself, with David Hauptschein, Alix Spiegel, and Nancy Updike.
感谢 Ira Glass 嗯，我们今天的节目由 Paul Tough、Dolores Wilber、Julie Snyder 和我本人以及 David Hauptschein、Alix Spiegel 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
Contributing editors, Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, and consigliere Sarah Vowell.
特约编辑 Jack Hitt、Margy Rochlin 和顾问 Sarah Vowell。
Production help from Laura Doggett and Sini Davenport.
Laura Doggett 和 Sini Davenport 为制作提供帮助。
Today's program is a co-production with Chicago's Museum of Contemporary Art, Peter Taub, curator.
今天的节目是与芝加哥当代艺术博物馆馆长彼得·陶布 (Peter Taub) 联合制作的。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] If you want to buy a cassette of our program, call us at WBEZ here in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 如果您想购买我们节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
Again, 312-832-3380.
再次拨打 312-832-3380。
Our email address, [email protected] .
我们的电子邮件地址，[电子邮件受保护]。
You know, if you want to listen to any episode of our program for free over the internet, you can do it at our website, www.thislife.org.
您知道，如果您想通过互联网免费收听我们节目的任何一集，您可以在我们的网站 www.thislife.org 上进行。
Thanks to KCRW for posting the sound files and to Elizabeth Wasserman, who designed and runs the site.
感谢 KCRW 发布声音文件，并感谢设计和运营该网站的 Elizabeth Wasserman。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who insists that he doesn't even know what Office 97 is, no matter what anybody says.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，他坚称自己甚至不知道 Office 97 是什么，无论别人怎么说。
He actually was going to set me up with a copy of Office 97.
他实际上打算给我安装一份 Office 97。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of this American life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多关于美国生活的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。