657: The Runaways - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass MS-13-- President Trump talks about them a lot.
序言：序言 Ira Glass MS-13——特朗普总统经常谈论它们。
He's mentioned them 198 times since he became president according to one database of everything that he said publicly.
根据一个包含他公开言论的数据库，自就任总统以来，他已提及这些问题 198 次。
Here he is in Nashville in May.
五月他在纳什维尔。
This vicious gang has transformed the once peaceful, beautiful communities that I know so well.
这个邪恶的团伙改变了我所熟悉的曾经和平、美丽的社区。
I know them all.
我认识他们所有人。
Into blood stained killing fields.
进入血迹斑斑的杀戮场。
Savagely murdering, raping, and mutilating, their victims.
野蛮地谋杀、强奸和残害受害者。
The communities he knows well are on Long Island, near where he grew up in Queens.
他熟悉的社区位于长岛，靠近他在皇后区长大的地方。
MS-13 is a particularly brutal gang.
MS-13 是一个特别残暴的帮派。
Originally formed in Los Angeles in the 1980s by immigrants and refugees from Central America.
最初由来自中美洲的移民和难民于 20 世纪 80 年代在洛杉矶成立。
Their weapons of choice tend to be machetes and baseball bats.
他们选择的武器往往是砍刀和棒球棒。
MS-13 has been especially violent lately on Long Island.
MS-13 最近在长岛尤其暴力。
Last year the president spoke there at Suffolk County Community College.
去年，总统在萨福克县社区学院发表演讲。
The audience was filled with law enforcement of various kinds-- immigration and customs officials, FBI agents, members of the local police, in their dress uniforms and white gloves.
观众席上挤满了各种执法人员——移民和海关官员、联邦调查局特工、当地警察，他们穿着制服，戴着白手套。
And the president praised law enforcement for doing a great job eradicating MS-13-- arresting gang members, throwing them in jail, deporting them.
总统还赞扬执法部门在根除 MS-13 方面所做的出色工作——逮捕帮派成员，将他们投入监狱，并将他们驱逐出境。
And I want to just tell you all together, right now.
我想现在就一起告诉你们。
And the reason I came, this is the most important sentence to me.
而我来的原因，这对我来说是最重要的一句话。
On behalf of the American people, I want to say, thank you.
我谨代表美国人民说，谢谢。
Thank you very much.
非常感谢。
Thank you.
谢谢。
At this speech, he shook hands with officers from the Suffolk County Police Department.
在演讲中，他与萨福克县警察局的警官握手。
Our story today is about that police department, and it documents the opposite.
我们今天的故事是关于那个警察局的，它记录了相反的情况。
It documents them failing repeatedly in fighting MS-13.
它记录了他们在与 MS-13 的战斗中屡次失败。
Particularly when the victims were Latino immigrant kids.
特别是当受害者是拉丁裔移民孩子时。
In the end, there were 18 murders in 16 months.
最终，16个月内发生了18起谋杀案。
Literally, teenagers were disappearing.
从字面上看，青少年正在消失。
And for a long time, the Suffolk County Police did very little to investigate.
很长一段时间以来，萨福克县警方几乎没有采取任何调查行动。
Made the same mistakes over and over.
一遍又一遍地犯同样的错误。
Missed clues, missed leads.
错过了线索，错过了线索。
Brushed aside distraught parents who were looking for their kids.
把正在寻找孩子的心烦意乱的父母抛在一边。
Parents who had information that might have been helpful.
拥有可能有帮助的信息的父母。
Investigative reporter Hannah Dreier from ProPublica, who spent the last year in Suffolk County reporting on MS-13 and the police there.
ProPublica 的调查记者 Hannah Dreier 去年在萨福克县报道了 MS-13 和那里的警察。
And she's found pervasive problems in how the Suffolk County Police Department treats Latinos in general.
她发现萨福克县警察局对待拉丁裔的方式普遍存在问题。
Problems which dramatically slowed their response to this MS-13 murder spree.
这些问题极大地减缓了他们对 MS-13 谋杀案的反应。
And let's just get right to it.
让我们开始吧。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
Here's Hannah Dreier.
请听汉娜·德雷尔的报道。
The first teenager who was murdered was Miguel Garcia Moran.
第一个被谋杀的青少年是米格尔·加西亚·莫兰。
His family always teased his mom, Carlota, over how over protective she was.
他的家人总是取笑他的妈妈卡洛塔（Carlota），说她保护欲太强了。
When Miguel was a toddler, back in Ecuador, she put chicken wire around their house to keep him from running down the street.
当米格尔还是个蹒跚学步的孩子时，回到厄瓜多尔，她在房子周围放了铁丝网，防止他在街上跑。
When the family got green cards and moved to Suffolk County, she imposed a strict 10 PM curfew.
当全家获得绿卡并搬到萨福克县后，她实施了严格的晚上 10 点宵禁。
And when he wanted to play video games at a neighbor's house on a cold Friday afternoon, in February of 2016, Carlota drove him there, a few blocks away, even though he had just turned 15 and could have walked over.
2016 年 2 月，一个寒冷的星期五下午，当他想去邻居家玩电子游戏时，卡洛塔开车送他去了几个街区外的地方，尽管他刚刚满 15 岁，完全可以步行过去。
Carlota got home later that evening around 7:30 with some dinner for Miguel.
那天晚上 7:30 左右，卡洛塔回到家，为米格尔准备了一些晚餐。
She called out his name.
她喊出了他的名字。
When he didn't answer, she felt a jolt of alarm.
见他没有回答，她心中猛地一惊。
She texted him to ask where he was.
她给他发短信询问他在哪里。
No response.
没有回应。
She texted him a third, a fourth, a fifth time.
她给他发了第三次、第四次、第五次短信。
By midnight, Carlota's stomach was clenched with dread.
到了午夜，卡洛塔的胃因恐惧而揪紧。
Miguel never failed to let her know where he was.
米格尔总是让她知道他在哪里。
He never missed his curfew.
他从来没有错过宵禁。
He was even too afraid to go to sleepovers.
他甚至不敢去过夜。
By 2:00 AM, she couldn't wait any longer.
凌晨2:00，她已经等不及了。
She and her boyfriend, Abraham Chaparro, got in the car and started driving.
她和男友亚伯拉罕·查帕罗 (Abraham Chaparro) 上车开始开车。
And I was like, where's Miguel.
我当时就想，米格尔在哪里？
What happened to Miguel?
米格尔怎么了？
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter He normally, he calls me, every 5, every 10 minutes.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 他通常每 5 分钟、每 10 分钟给我打电话。
But during all those hours, they seemed just so long, and I didn't know whether I should scream, or cry.
但在这几个小时里，时间似乎太长了，我不知道自己是否应该尖叫，或者哭泣。
I just felt like I was losing the whole world at that moment.
那一刻我只觉得自己失去了整个世界。
At that point, I was just saying, you know, it's like someone stole my son.
那时，我只是说，你知道，这就像有人偷了我的儿子一样。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier After hours of searching the streets, Carlota finally went home.
[西班牙语] 汉娜·德雷尔 (Hannah Dreier) 在街道上搜寻了几个小时后，卡洛塔终于回家了。
She sat down on her bed, fully clothed, and waited for the sun to come up, so she and Abraham could go to the police station.
她穿着衣服坐在床上，等待太阳升起，这样她就可以和亚伯拉罕一起去警察局了。
When they got there, two Suffolk County Police officers were sitting on an elevated platform, behind the counter, drinking coffee.
当他们到达那里时，两名萨福克县警察正坐在柜台后面的高台上喝咖啡。
Carlota only speaks Spanish.
卡洛塔只会说西班牙语。
But her boyfriend, Abraham, has lived in the US for years, and speaks some English.
但她的男友亚伯拉罕已经在美国生活多年，会说一些英语。
Abraham helped her give the officers the basics.
亚伯拉罕帮助她向军官们介绍了基本知识。
The missing kid was Miguel Garcia Moran, 15 years old, tall, and big, 235 pounds, lived in the town of Brentwood, last seen at a friend's house the night before.
失踪的孩子是米格尔·加西亚·莫兰 (Miguel Garcia Moran)，15 岁，身材高大，体重 235 磅，住在布伦特伍德镇，最后一次出现是在前一天晚上在朋友家。
A detective named Luis Perez was assigned to the case.
一名名叫路易斯·佩雷斯的侦探被指派负责此案。
He's a veteran detective in Brentwood, and one of the few officers on the force who speaks Spanish.
他是布伦特伍德的一名资深侦探，也是警队中少数会说西班牙语的警官之一。
The police told Carlota and Abraham that some officers were going to drive around their neighborhood to look for Miguel.
警察告诉卡洛塔和亚伯拉罕，一些警察将开车在他们的社区周围寻找米格尔。
But really, they shouldn't be too concerned.
但实际上，他们不应该太担心。
And they said, look, it's Saturday.
他们说，看，今天是星期六。
Your son's going to be back on Monday.
你儿子将于周一回来。
He's probably just hanging out with friends.
他可能只是和朋友出去玩。
But I said, no, my son would never do that.
但我说，不，我儿子永远不会那样做。
He always comes home early.
他总是很早回家。
This isn't like him.
这不像他。
At this point, Miguel had been missing for 24 hours, which in a missing persons case are the most crucial.
此时，米格尔已经失踪了24小时，这在失踪案中是最关键的。
There's a truism in law enforcement-- the first 24 hours are the only 24 hours.
执法中有一条不言而喻的道理：前 24 小时是唯一的 24 小时。
The New York City Police Department has a checklist of dozens of things officers have to do immediately if a minor goes missing.
纽约市警察局有一份清单，列出了如果未成年人失踪，警察必须立即采取的数十项措施。
Things like, talking to the kids' friends, checking their social media accounts, and putting out a press release.
比如，与孩子们的朋友交谈、查看他们的社交媒体帐户以及发布新闻稿。
Nassau County, which borders Suffolk County on Long Island, has an even more extensive protocol, which includes alerting state officials within two hours of taking a report.
与长岛萨福克县接壤的拿骚县制定了更广泛的协议，其中包括在收到报告后两小时内向州官员发出警报。
The Suffolk County Police handbook, on the other hand, has no checklist for what to do if a minor goes missing.
另一方面，萨福克县警察手册没有列出未成年人失踪后应采取的措施。
Nothing about talking to the kid's friends.
没什么和孩子的朋友说话的事。
Nothing about social media.
与社交媒体无关。
Nothing about a press release.
没有任何关于新闻稿的内容。
In the whole handbook, there are basically two paragraphs about what to do if a minor is reported missing.
整本手册中，基本上有两段是关于未成年人被报告失踪后该怎么办的。
And they boil down to take a report, search the area where they live.
他们最终会提交一份报告，搜查他们居住的地区。
That's it.
就是这样。
So on Sunday, two days after Miguel went missing, that's what the Suffolk County Police did.
因此，周日，也就是米格尔失踪两天后，萨福克县警方就这么做了。
They searched the woods closest to Carlota's home.
他们搜查了离卡洛塔家最近的树林。
And they also talked to the neighbors.
他们还与邻居交谈。
On Monday, three days after Miguel went missing, the police put out a press release and a photo of Miguel in a green shirt with a red bandanna around his head.
周一，米格尔失踪三天后，警方发布了一份新闻稿和一张米格尔穿着绿色衬衫、头上围着红色头巾的照片。
It said, quote, "Detectives do not believe there is foul play involved in Moran's disappearance." And they listed Miguel as a runaway, which Carlota found extra upsetting.
引述说，“侦探们不认为莫兰的失踪涉及谋杀。”他们将米格尔列为逃亡者，卡洛塔对此感到格外不安。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I felt a lot of indignation because they would say that, oh, he just ran away from home.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我感到非常愤慨，因为他们会说，哦，他刚刚离家出走。
And I'd think, why would you say that?
我想，你为什么这么说？
Why would you say that he ran away from home when I have proof?
我有证据你凭什么说他离家出走？
I have pictures of us, like, going to the store.
我有我们的照片，比如去商店的照片。
Us going to different places, even from that day, where we went to the firefighters.
我们去了不同的地方，甚至从那天起，我们就去了消防员那里。
The day Miguel disappeared, he and Carlota had gone to the firehouse to fill out an application.
米格尔失踪的那天，他和卡洛塔去消防站填写了一份申请。
He wanted to join the volunteer firefighters.
他想加入志愿消防员。
They spent the morning and afternoon together as they often did on weekends.
他们上午和下午都在一起度过，就像他们周末经常做的那样。
Miguel liked to walk with his arms slung around his mother's shoulders.
米格尔走路时喜欢用手臂搂着母亲的肩膀。
At 5' 10", he towered over her.
他身高 5 英尺 10 英寸，比她高出许多。
Miguel was a total mama's boy.
米格尔是个十足的妈妈的儿子。
For his 15th birthday, a few months earlier, his older sister helped him get Carlota's name tattooed on his arm.
几个月前，在他 15 岁生日时，他的姐姐帮他把卡洛塔的名字纹在了手臂上。
So to Carlota, the thought that Miguel had run away from home was insane.
所以对于卡洛塔来说，米格尔离家出走的想法是疯狂的。
She tried to explain this to the police, but they still listed him as a runaway.
她试图向警方解释此事，但警方仍将他列为逃亡者。
And when they did that, the police were acting against guidelines from multiple agencies.
当他们这样做时，警方的行为违反了多个机构的指导方针。
According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and the Department of Justice, law enforcement should quote, "Assume the child is at risk, until investigative facts contradict that assumption." When a kid is listed as a runaway instead of as a missing or endangered person, it basically stops an investigation before it starts.
根据国家失踪和受虐儿童中心和司法部的说法，执法部门应该引用：“假设儿童处于危险之中，直到调查事实与该假设相矛盾。”当一个孩子被列为离家出走而不是失踪或濒临灭绝的人时，基本上就在调查开始之前就停止了。
Listing Miguel as a runaway is the first big mistake the police make.
将米格尔列为逃亡者是警方犯下的第一个重大错误。
They'll be many more.
他们还会更多。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter My hope, truthfully, was that if I go to the police they would help us.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 说实话，我的希望是，如果我去找警察，他们会帮助我们。
You know, this was just a disaster.
你知道，这只是一场灾难。
A disaster.
一场灾难。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter Going to the police was a disaster.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 去警察局是一场灾难。
After days with no apparent progress from police, Carlota, realized she needed a new strategy.
几天后，警方没有取得明显进展，卡洛塔意识到她需要一个新策略。
She started going around posting missing person flyers, which she wrote herself because the police had not made any.
她开始四处张贴寻人启事，这些传单是她自己写的，因为警方还没有制作任何传单。
She searched for Miguel every day on residential streets, strip malls, at American Eagle, his favorite clothing store, and in the woods.
她每天都在住宅区街道、商业街、米格尔最喜欢的服装店美国之鹰以及树林里寻找米格尔。
Including one patch of forest that the police call the killing fields.
其中包括一片被警方称为杀戮场的森林。
It's a gang hang out and dumping ground for bodies.
这是一个帮派闲逛和倾倒尸体的地方。
The trees are so dense there that it's hard to see very far into them.
那里的树木非常茂密，很难看到很远的地方。
Condoms and cigar wrappers and empty spray paint cans blanket the ground.
避孕套、雪茄包装纸和空喷漆罐铺满了地面。
At the heart of these woods is an abandoned psychiatric hospital.
树林的中心是一座废弃的精神病院。
The dozens of possibilities she'd been replaying in her head, we're converging on a single fear, MS-13.
她的脑海中不断回放着数十种可能性，我们最终汇聚到了一个恐惧上：MS-13。
She knew they were active in Brentwood, but she didn't know much more.
她知道他们在布伦特伍德很活跃，但她不知道更多。
MS-13 leaders in the US are often really young, like high school aged.
美国的 MS-13 领导人通常都很年轻，就像高中生一样。
On Long Island, some of the most brutal MS-13 violence has been masterminded by 15 and 16-year-olds.
在长岛，一些最残酷的 MS-13 暴力事件是由 15 岁和 16 岁的青少年策划的。
Brentwood high school was shared by a few MS-13 cliques.
布伦特伍德高中由几个 MS-13 派系共享。
That's what they call their subgroups-- the Hollywood Locos, the Brentwood Locos, and the Sailors.
这就是他们对自己的子团体的称呼——Hollywood Locos、Brentwood Locos 和 Sailors。
They wear blue plastic rosaries and Nike Cortez sneakers.
他们戴着蓝色塑料念珠和 Nike Cortez 运动鞋。
The other gangs at the school were as color coded as teams at camp.
学校里的其他帮派和营地里的队伍一样用颜色编码。
At the time Miguel went missing, Suffolk County Police mostly left the gangs alone.
米格尔失踪时，萨福克县警方基本上没有放过该团伙。
Members had the run of the woods around town and the halls of the high school.
成员们在城镇和高中礼堂周围的树林里奔跑。
Miguel's older sister, Lady, was a sophomore at Brentwood high school when Miguel went missing.
米格尔失踪时，她的姐姐莱迪正在布伦特伍德高中二年级。
Lady has a habit of narrowing her eyes when she talks.
女士说话时有眯起眼睛的习惯。
She's streetwise, but also churchgoing.
她很擅长街头生活，但也经常去教堂。
She had been a natural loner all her life, unlike Miguel, who has always been teased for his stutter, and was desperate to seem cool.
她一生都是一个天生的孤独者，不像米格尔，米格尔总是因为口吃而被嘲笑，并且不顾一切地想让自己看起来很酷。
At Brentwood high school, Lady, had become even more standoffish to keep the gang kids away, which wasn't always easy because gang members aggressively approach new students at school and pressure them to join.
在布伦特伍德高中，为了让帮派孩子远离，莱迪变得更加冷漠，这并不总是那么容易，因为帮派成员在学校积极接近新生并迫使他们加入。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter If they didn't see you with a stern look in your face, or if they didn't see you mad, then they would treat you badly.
[说西班牙语] 口译员 如果他们没有看到你表情严肃，或者没有看到你生气，那么他们就会对你不好。
It was different for me because I had a strong temper.
这对我来说是不同的，因为我脾气暴躁。
But Miguel was not like that.
但米格尔不是那样的人。
He was weak.
他很虚弱。
He was the spoiled child.
他是个被宠坏的孩子。
When Miguel started in the high school, did you tell him the things that you had learned?
当米格尔开始上高中时，你有告诉他你所学到的东西吗？
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I would tell him, you know, when you're changing period from one class to the other, don't talk to certain people.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我会告诉他，你知道，当你从一堂课换到另一堂课时，不要和某些人说话。
And he'd say, OK.
他会说，好吧。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter And at first, he did.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 起初，他做到了。
He did listen to me.
他确实听我的话。
But then, you know, he had friends that I did not know.
但你知道，他有一些我不认识的朋友。
And I told him, do not make friends.
我告诉他，不要交朋友。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier A week after Miguel went missing, Carlota did an interview with a Spanish language news channel to talk about his disappearance.
[西班牙语] 汉娜·德雷尔 (Hannah Dreier) 米格尔失踪一周后，卡洛塔接受了一家西班牙语新闻频道的采访，谈论了他的失踪。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier The footage shows Carlota leaning heavily on Abraham, as the two walk through a strip mall in jackets and winter hats, taping up their missing person flyers.
[西班牙语]汉娜·德雷尔（Hannah Dreier） 这段视频显示，卡洛塔重重地靠在亚伯拉罕身上，两人穿着夹克、戴着冬帽穿过一家露天购物中心，用胶带贴好失踪人员传单。
She says, there are so many things you hear about in this country.
她说，在这个国家你听到的事情太多了。
That the gangs go and take kids.
那些团伙去抓孩子。
That's what I fear the most.
这是我最害怕的。
That they've taken him.
他们带走了他。
Carlota brought up the possibility that gangs might be involved in Miguel's disappearance.
卡洛塔提出了米格尔失踪案中可能有帮派参与的可能性。
But the Suffolk County Police still said no foul play was suspected and continued to list him as a runaway.
但萨福克县警方仍然表示不存在谋杀嫌疑，并继续将他列为逃亡者。
Another big problem with the police's treatment of these immigrant families, was they were dismissive, and sometimes even treated them like suspects.
警方对待这些移民家庭的另一个大问题是，他们不屑一顾，有时甚至把他们当作嫌疑人对待。
Carlota came to feel intimidated by Detective Perez.
卡洛塔开始对佩雷斯警探感到害怕。
She says he seemed angry at her.
她说他似乎生她的气。
He was big, like a bodybuilder, with tattoos circling his arms.
他身材高大，就像一名健美运动员，手臂上有纹身。
One day he sat her down and accused her of knowing more than she was saying about Miguel.
有一天，他让她坐下来，指责她对米格尔的了解比她所说的还要多。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter Then he started telling me, you know where he is.
[说西班牙语] 翻译然后他开始告诉我，你知道他在哪里。
And I said, what?
我说，什么？
Like, why do I know where he is?
比如，为什么我知道他在哪里？
I come here all the time asking where he is.
我每次都来这里问他在哪里。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter If I knew where he was then I wouldn't be here.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 如果我知道他在哪里，那么我就不会在这里了。
And I just wanted to hit him when he told me that.
当他告诉我这些时，我只想打他。
And he said, well, if you don't know where he is--
他说，好吧，如果你不知道他在哪里——
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter --then you should go to a witch doctor, because then, they can help you find Miguel.
[说西班牙语] 翻译——那你应该去找巫医，因为那样的话，他们就能帮你找到米格尔。
Detective Perez told Carlota to find a brujo, which is Spanish for witch doctor, or fortune teller.
佩雷斯警探告诉卡洛塔找到一个布鲁霍（brujo），这是西班牙语中巫医或算命师的意思。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I don't know why he said that.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我不知道他为什么这么说。
It's like, I can't do anything more for you.
就好像，我不能再为你做任何事了。
You need to go and see the witch doctor because he just didn't want to help anymore.
你需要去看巫医，因为他不想再帮忙了。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier One of the starkest ways that the police demonstrated their indifference to the families, was that they wouldn't even speak to them in their own language.
[说西班牙语]汉娜·德雷尔（Hannah Dreier） 警方对这些家庭表现出冷漠的最明显方式之一是，他们甚至不会用他们的母语与他们交谈。
This underlies so much of what went wrong.
这就是很多问题的根源。
Even Detective Perez, who could speak Spanish.
甚至是会说西班牙语的佩雷斯警探。
Lady told me something else that happened in that brujo conversation.
女士还告诉了我在布鲁霍谈话中发生的其他事情。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter He just said, I'm not speaking Spanish anymore because this is America.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 他只是说，我不再说西班牙语了，因为这是美国。
Nobody speaks Spanish, only English, so why don't you just go back.
没有人会说西班牙语，只会英语，所以你为什么不回去呢？
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter Even knowing that my mom doesn't speak a word of English.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 即使知道我妈妈不会说英语。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I felt bad.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我感觉很糟糕。
You know, because she was Latino, and to come and say this to us knowing that we needed him.
你知道，因为她是拉丁裔，所以来对我们说这些，知道我们需要他。
That we needed for him to find someone for us.
我们需要他为我们找人。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter And he just simply didn't feel like speaking our language to us.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 他只是不想对我们说我们的语言。
Carlota and Lady are not unusual in Suffolk County.
卡洛塔和莱德在萨福克县并不罕见。
Though the county includes really ritzy places like the Hamptons, it also has towns like Brentwood, where families get by on minimum wage jobs, and most people speak Spanish as their first language.
尽管该县有汉普顿等真正豪华的地方，但也有布伦特伍德等城镇，那里的家庭靠最低工资的工作勉强度日，大多数人以西班牙语为母语。
20% of the county is Hispanic.
该县 20% 的人是西班牙裔。
But in 2016, in the entire Suffolk County Police Department, 3,500 employees, only three people were certified to interpret for Spanish speakers.
但2016年，整个萨福克郡警察局的3500名员工中，只有三人获得西班牙语口译认证。
Unlike a majority of big police departments, Suffolk County doesn't give officers extra pay for knowing a second language.
与大多数大型警察部门不同，萨福克县不会因为了解第二语言而向警察提供额外报酬。
They do pay police well, though.
不过，他们确实付给警察丰厚的报酬。
They're actually one of the best paid departments in the country.
他们实际上是全国薪酬最高的部门之一。
Detective Perez made just under $200,000 a year, and lived in a gated community several towns away from where he works.
佩雷斯警探的年收入略低于 20 万美元，住在距离他工作地点几个城镇的一个封闭社区里。
Detective Perez wouldn't talk to me for this story, by the way.
顺便说一句，佩雷斯警探不会跟我谈论这个故事。
When I knocked on his door, he said he had no comment, and told me to get off his property.
当我敲他的门时，他说他无可奉告，并让我离开他的家。
Almost two months after Miguel went missing, there was a breakthrough in the case.
米格尔失踪近两个月后，案件有了突破。
But the person who made it was not a Suffolk County Detective.
但制造它的人并不是萨福克郡的侦探。
It was Miguel's sister, Lady.
那是米格尔的妹妹，女士。
One morning, she borrowed Abraham's cell phone and discovered that Miguel had left his Facebook account open there.
一天早上，她借了亚伯拉罕的手机，发现米格尔在那里打开了他的 Facebook 帐户。
She suddenly had access to his Facebook Messenger chats.
她突然可以访问他的 Facebook Messenger 聊天记录。
She could look through all the conversations he had with his friends, up to the day he went missing.
她可以查看他与朋友的所有对话，直到他失踪的那一天。
Here, look.
在这里，看。
Hannah Dreier Lady showed me the messages.
汉娜·德雷尔女士向我展示了这些信息。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter Yes.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 是的。
That was Miguel's entire messenger conversation.
这就是米格尔的整个通讯对话。
Most of them were failed attempts to flirt with girls at school.
其中大多数都是在学校与女孩调情的失败尝试。
In others, he's talking about smoking weed.
在其他方面，他正在谈论吸食大麻。
In one conversation, he tells a friend he wants a pair of Nike Cortez sneakers.
在一次谈话中，他告诉一位朋友他想要一双 Nike Cortez 运动鞋。
But the friend tells him he can't wear those because they're a sign of MS-13.
但朋友告诉他不能穿这些，因为它们是 MS-13 的标志。
That's an important piece of advice.
这是一条重要的建议。
MS-13 doesn't have businesses like a normal criminal organization.
MS-13 没有像普通犯罪组织那样的业务。
And instead, commits violence for the sake of violence, killing victims with bats and machetes for minor shows of disrespect, like wearing Nike Cortez shoes without their permission.
相反，为了暴力而暴力，用球棒和砍刀杀死受害者，只因为轻微的不尊重行为，比如未经允许就穿 Nike Cortez 鞋。
And then, there's just one conversation from the day Miguel disappeared.
然后，从米格尔失踪那天起，只有一次谈话。
Text and audio messages between Miguel and someone named Alexander Lokote.
米格尔和一个名叫亚历山大·洛科特的人之间的短信和音频消息。
Lokote isn't a last name.
Lokote 不是一个姓氏。
It means something like homeboy or gangster.
它的意思是“宅男”或“黑帮”。
So you can see the day that Miguel went missing.
所以你可以看到米格尔失踪的那一天。
There's like 20 messages back and forth between him and Alexander.
他和亚历山大之间大约有 20 条信息来回传递。
The conversation begins at 8:54 in the morning.
谈话从早上8点54分开始。
And ends at 7:06 that night.
当晚7点06分结束。
Right around when Carlota was getting home and discovering that Miguel wasn't there.
就在卡洛塔回到家时，发现米格尔不在家。
Alexander tells Miguel he's gotten his hands on some weed, and invites him to smoke later on with two other boys.
亚历山大告诉米格尔他得到了一些大麻，并邀请他稍后和另外两个男孩一起抽烟。
One of the other boys is a kid named Jairo.
其他男孩之一是一个名叫贾罗的孩子。
Miguel had just started smoking weed.
米格尔刚刚开始吸大麻。
His mother and sister didn't even know he had tried it.
他的母亲和妹妹甚至不知道他尝试过。
Miguel seems pleased and surprised, and responds with a voice message.
米格尔看起来既高兴又惊讶，并用语音留言回应。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier That's Miguel.
[说西班牙语] 汉娜·德雷尔 那是米格尔。
He's saying, oh, you're so bad.
他说，哦，你太坏了。
What have you done?
你做了什么？
At this point in the morning, Miguel was still with Carlota at the mall.
早上这个时候，米格尔还和卡洛塔一起在商场里。
It sounds like her in the background of some of these messages, talking and laughing.
听起来她就像在其中一些消息的背景中，有说有笑。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier Miguel says he wants to bring along a friend, but Alexander says, no, don't do that.
[西班牙语] 汉娜·德雷尔·米格尔 (Hannah Dreier Miguel) 说他想带一位朋友一起去，但亚历山大说，不，不要那样做。
Jairo won't like it.
贾罗不会喜欢的。
Jairo's going to hook them up with weed.
贾罗要用大麻把他们勾起来。
Later, Miguel and Alexander argue about whether to meet in the woods or at Miguel's house.
后来，米格尔和亚历山大争论是在树林里还是在米格尔家里见面。
Miguel tells Alexander that he'd prefer to meet at his house because he doesn't like to go out into the trees.
米格尔告诉亚历山大，他更愿意在他家见面，因为他不喜欢到树林里去。
But finally, Miguel gives in and agrees to meet in the woods near the high school, a few blocks away from his house.
但最终，米格尔屈服了，同意在距离他家几个街区的高中附近的树林里见面。
The last message is from Alexander.
最后一条消息来自亚历山大。
He tells Miguel he's by the fluorescent lights already, at the school.
他告诉米格尔他已经在学校的荧光灯旁了。
He seems annoyed that Miguel isn't there yet.
他似乎对米格尔还没到很生气。
And then, nothing.
然后，什么也没有。
In the days and months after that night, Miguel's Facebook account is flooded with messages from family and friends wondering where he is, or vowing to find him.
那天晚上之后的几天和几个月里，米格尔的 Facebook 账户上充斥着来自家人和朋友的信息，他们想知道他在哪里，或者发誓要找到他。
But none of those messages was from Alexander Lokote.
但这些消息都不是亚历山大·洛科特发来的。
Abraham showed all these Facebook messages to Detective Perez.
亚伯拉罕向佩雷斯警探展示了所有这些 Facebook 消息。
Carlota said soon afterward, the detective called with a strange suggestion.
卡洛塔说，不久之后，侦探就打来电话，提出了一个奇怪的建议。
He asked Abraham and Carlota if they wanted to meet him at the high school.
他问亚伯拉罕和卡洛塔是否想在高中见到他。
He said he was going to interview Alexander Lokote in the principal's office, to see what he might know.
他说他要去校长办公室采访亚历山大·洛科特，看看他可能知道什么。
And for some reason, he wanted to give them a chance to be there for it.
出于某种原因，他想给他们一个参与其中的机会。
When they got to the high school, Alexander Lokote was there.
当他们到达高中时，亚历山大·洛克特就在那里。
Lady had been called out of class, and was waiting outside the office.
女士被叫下课了，正在办公室外面等着。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter He was scared.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 他很害怕。
He looked kind of pale, and as though he wanted to get out of there right away.
他的脸色有些苍白，似乎想要立刻离开这里。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter Yeah, he was dressed like a gang member.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 是的，他穿得像帮派成员。
He was wearing his white long t-shirt.
他穿着白色长T恤。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter And I saw the rosary.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我看到了念珠。
I ran this episode past a few police experts.
我让几位警察专家了解了这一集。
And they all said it was really odd that Detective Perez invited the victim's family to an interrogation of a witness or a potential suspect like that.
他们都表示，佩雷斯警探邀请受害者家属来审问证人或潜在嫌疑人，这真的很奇怪。
For one thing, it could make it harder to use anything Alexander said that day to build the case in court.
一方面，这可能会让利用亚历山大当天所说的话在法庭上立案变得更加困难。
They said that if Detective Perez suspected foul play at that point, he should have gotten a warrant to search Alexander's phone.
他们说，如果佩雷斯侦探当时怀疑有谋杀行为，他应该获得搜查亚历山大手机的搜查令。
Abraham thought that Alexander looked young, and so weak that he couldn't break a plate.
亚伯拉罕认为亚历山大看起来很年轻，而且很虚弱，连盘子都打不碎。
He said that Alexander told him that he, Jairo, and another kid, had planned to go with Miguel to some train tracks.
他说亚历山大告诉他，他、贾罗和另一个孩子计划和米格尔一起去一些火车轨道。
But Miguel never showed up.
但米格尔始终没有出现。
Carlota told Abraham that so far, her teenage daughter seemed to have made more progress than the detectives.
卡洛塔告诉亚伯拉罕，到目前为止，她十几岁的女儿似乎比侦探们取得了更多的进步。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter This was such a key thing that he knows.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 这是他知道的一件非常关键的事情。
What else do they want?
他们还想要什么？
They weren't doing anything.
他们什么也没做。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier It's not clear what happened to Alexander Lokote.
[西班牙语] 汉娜·德雷尔 目前尚不清楚亚历山大·洛科特发生了什么事。
Lady tells me that after this meeting, she stopped seeing him in school.
女士告诉我，这次见面之后，她就不再在学校见到他了。
I've been trying to find Alexander for months, but nobody I've talked to knows his real last name.
几个月来我一直在寻找亚历山大，但与我交谈过的人都不知道他的真实姓氏。
Carlota stopped going to her job at an envelope factory.
卡洛塔不再去信封工厂上班。
She spent most of her time in her basement apartment looking through Miguel's clothes, breathing in their smell, and trying to distract herself by reading romance novels.
她大部分时间都待在地下室公寓里，翻看米格尔的衣服，呼吸它们的气味，并试图通过阅读言情小说来分散自己的注意力。
She hated when Lady went out, even to attend church.
她讨厌夫人出去，甚至去教堂。
Nearly three months after Miguel disappeared, at the end of April, the state finally gave Carlota a missing person poster.
米格尔失踪近三个月后，四月底，州政府终于给了卡洛塔一张失踪人口海报。
The poster read, quote, "Miguel is a runaway." Then one afternoon in May, Carlota was watching the news at home when she saw another mother on TV, crying.
海报上写道：“米格尔是一名逃亡者。”五月的一个下午，卡洛塔正在家里看新闻，她看到电视上另一位母亲在哭泣。
Oscar Acosta disappeared two weeks ago.
奥斯卡·阿科斯塔两周前失踪。
Police believe it's suspicious.
警方认为这很可疑。
Oscar Acosta, was a 19-year-old, weeks away from graduating high school.
奥斯卡·阿科斯塔 (Oscar Acosta) 19 岁，距离高中毕业还有几周时间。
He had emigrated from El Salvador to Brentwood three years before.
三年前，他从萨尔瓦多移民到布伦特伍德。
He left home to play soccer one night and hadn't been seen since.
一天晚上，他离家去踢足球，此后就再也没有人见过他。
When Oscar's mother went to the police station, this may sound familiar to you, she had a hard time finding an officer who spoke Spanish.
当奥斯卡的母亲去警察局时，这对你来说可能听起来很熟悉，她很难找到会说西班牙语的警官。
So she enlisted her cousin, and a woman from church, to help her talk to the officers.
因此，她招募了她的表弟和一名教堂妇女来帮助她与警察交谈。
She felt that the police were ignoring the case, so she started posting handmade missing person flyers, just as Carlota had.
她觉得警方忽视了这个案子，所以她开始像卡洛塔一样张贴手工制作的失踪人员传单。
In June, a third Brentwood high school student went missing, Jose Pena.
六月，第三名布伦特伍德高中学生何塞·佩纳失踪。
He was 18 years old.
他当时 18 岁。
Emigrated from El Salvador two years before, like Oscar.
和奥斯卡一样，两年前从萨尔瓦多移民。
Jose's mother didn't speak English either.
何塞的母亲也不会说英语。
When she went to the police station, she also says there was no one who spoke Spanish.
当她去警察局时，她还说没有人会说西班牙语。
So she had to ask her cab driver to interpret for her.
所以她不得不请出租车司机为她翻译。
He charged her $70.
他向她收取了 70 美元。
The police told her not to worry.
警察告诉她不要担心。
Her son was probably hanging out with friends.
她的儿子可能正在和朋友出去玩。
He'd be back soon.
他很快就会回来。
Oscar and Jose were not minors, so they couldn't be listed as runaways.
奥斯卡和何塞都不是未成年人，所以不能被列为逃亡者。
Police put out a press release on Oscar's disappearance two weeks after he went missing.
奥斯卡失踪两周后，警方发布了关于他失踪的新闻稿。
They never said anything about Jose.
他们从未说过任何关于何塞的事情。
These mothers have told me that it seems to them like police were either uninterested in helping them, or unable to do their jobs.
这些母亲告诉我，在她们看来，警察要么没有兴趣帮助她们，要么无法完成她们的工作。
They said it seemed like they were being brushed off because they were immigrants.
他们说，他们似乎因为是移民而被忽视。
The Suffolk County Police Department wouldn't comment on any of the specifics of what happened with these families.
萨福克县警察局不会对这些家庭发生的任何细节发表评论。
They wouldn't comment about why they incorrectly classified all these disappearances as runaways.
他们不会评论为什么他们错误地将所有这些失踪事件归为逃亡者。
But they did send this statement, quote, "Our response to a reported missing person does not differ based on nationality or ethnicity." They also said, quote, "Suffolk County Police officers are among the finest in the country and treat everyone with professionalism and compassion."
但他们确实发出了这样的声明，引用说：“我们对失踪人员报告的反应不会因国籍或种族而有所不同。”他们还说，“萨福克县警察是全国最优秀的警察之一，他们以专业精神和同情心对待每个人。”
But the mothers in these cases aren't just being oversensitive.
但这些案例中的母亲们不仅仅是过于敏感。
The Department of Justice investigated the Suffolk County Police Department for two years, and in 2011, issued its observations.
司法部对萨福克县警察局进行了两年的调查，并于 2011 年发布了调查结果。
It documents a pattern of discrimination against Latinos.
它记录了对拉丁裔的歧视模式。
A former DOJ official said the department was both over and under policing Latino residents.
一位前司法部官员表示，该部门对拉丁裔居民的监管既过度又不足。
Stopping them more frequently than white people for minor violations, while also failing to fully look into the crimes they reported.
比白人更频繁地因轻微违法行为而拦截他们，同时也未能充分调查他们报告的罪行。
The DOJ called out the department for the exact problems Carlota and the other parents had told me about-- not enough Spanish speakers, not doing enough to protect Latino teenagers from gangs, and not taking Latino victims seriously, even treating them like suspects.
司法部针对卡洛塔和其他家长告诉我的确切问题点名了该部门——没有足够多的人讲西班牙语，没有采取足够的措施保护拉丁裔青少年免受帮派侵害，没有认真对待拉丁裔受害者，甚至像对待嫌疑人一样对待他们。
The police department agreed to federal oversight until the bias issues were fixed.
警察局同意接受联邦监督，直到偏见问题得到解决。
But seven years after the DOJ investigation ended, they're still finding the same problems.
但司法部调查结束七年后，他们仍然发现同样的问题。
Because of the nature of the agreement, it's not overseen by a court.
由于该协议的性质，它不受法院监督。
There isn't much the DOJ can do beyond issuing progress reports every year.
除了每年发布进度报告之外，司法部无能为力。
In the midst of the disappearances of these three boys, another Brentwood high school student went missing.
在这三个男孩失踪的过程中，另一名布伦特伍德高中生也失踪了。
A 15-year-old girl from El Salvador, whose family asked that I not use her name.
一名来自萨尔瓦多的 15 岁女孩，她的家人要求我不要使用她的名字。
But unlike Miguel, Oscar, and Jose, after 2 and 1/2 days, her father found her just walking on the street by a White Castle.
但与米格尔、奥斯卡和何塞不同的是，2又1/2天后，她的父亲发现她正走在白色城堡旁边的街道上。
She said she'd been with some older boys.
她说她和一些年长的男孩在一起。
Her father couldn't figure out if she'd gone with them willingly, or if she'd been kidnapped.
她父亲不知道她是自愿跟他们走的，还是被绑架了。
But something seemed wrong to him.
但他似乎有些不对劲。
His daughter wasn't acting normally.
他女儿的表现不太正常。
He thought maybe she had been drugged, possibly raped.
他认为她可能被下药了，甚至可能被强奸了。
And she'd just gotten some threatening text messages.
她刚刚收到了一些威胁短信。
So as soon as they found her, he and his wife took her to the Suffolk County Police Department to ask them to investigate.
因此，他们一找到她，他和妻子就将她带到萨福克县警察局，要求他们进行调查。
The girl's father had been a cop in El Salvador, and ever since she'd gone missing, he'd been having trouble getting the police to take her disappearance seriously.
女孩的父亲曾是萨尔瓦多的一名警察，自从她失踪后，他一直很难让警方认真对待她的失踪。
So he and his wife secretly videotaped the meeting.
于是他和妻子偷偷录下了这次会面。
With?
和？
Hannah Dreier Watching the video, you can see firsthand how two Suffolk County Police officers treat an immigrant family that's come in to report a crime.
汉娜·德雷尔 (Hannah Dreier) 观看视频，您可以亲眼目睹两名萨福克县警察如何对待前来报案的移民家庭。
In the video, the girl is sitting at a desk across from a detective named Michael Cammarata, who's leaning back in his chair.
在视频中，女孩坐在桌子旁，对面是一位名叫迈克尔·卡马拉塔的侦探，后者靠在椅子上。
The father's crouching on the floor.
父亲蹲在地板上。
And immediately, Detective Cammarata begins interrogating the girl in English.
卡马拉塔警探立即开始用英语审问这个女孩。
As if she was the one who'd done something wrong.
就好像她是做错事的人一样。
Instead of asking the 15-year-old girl about how she may have been hurt, Detective Cammarata threatens to throw her in juvenile detention, which is in Nassau County.
卡马拉塔侦探没有询问这名 15 岁女孩她是如何受伤的，而是威胁要把她扔进拿骚县的少年拘留所。
He thinks she was lying about something.
他认为她在某件事上撒了谎。
And she is being vague and evasive in her answers.
她的回答含糊其词、闪烁其词。
They said you were with two boys.
他们说你和两个男孩在一起。
That's what Fanny said.
范妮是这么说的。
Really?
真的吗？
Michael Cammarata Yeah.
迈克尔·卡马拉塔 是的。
So you need to -- look, I don't-- do you not understand what I've been going through for the last two days trying to find you?
所以你需要——听着，我不——你不明白我在过去两天里为了找到你而经历了什么吗？
OK.
好的。
And how much trouble you could be in?
你可能会遇到多少麻烦？
It's up to me, whether or not I take you to Nassau County and you stay there.
由我决定，是否带你去拿骚县并让你留在那里。
OK?
好的？
Which just means, it's just you and I.
这只是意味着，只有你和我。
Not your family.
不是你的家人。
I take you.
我带你。
I put handcuffs on you.
我给你戴上手铐。
And I take you.
我带你去。
OK?
好的？
So you need to tell me who you were with.
所以你需要告诉我你和谁在一起。
Who were the boys?
男孩们是谁？
The girl's dad doesn't speak English, but he can make out the details of what they're talking about.
女孩的爸爸不会说英语，但他能听清他们谈论的细节。
He hears a name he recognizes, and he can tell his daughter isn't giving the full story.
他听到一个他认识的名字，他可以看出他的女儿没有说出完整的故事。
He wants to jump in and help the cops.
他想跳进去帮助警察。
Give some information about an older guy she's been hanging out with.
提供一些有关她一直在一起的年长男人的信息。
And he wants to understand and monitor the conversation between the detective and his 15-year-old daughter.
他想了解并监控侦探和他 15 岁女儿之间的对话。
So he asked the detective for an interpreter.
于是他向侦探请求翻译。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Michael Cammarata OK.
[说西班牙语] 迈克尔·卡马拉塔 好的。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier The detective ignores his request, which is technically a violation of federal civil rights laws.
[西班牙语] Hannah Dreier 侦探无视了他的请求，从技术上讲，这违反了联邦民权法。
A minute later, the girl's dad asks again.
一分钟后，女孩的爸爸又问。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Michael Cammarata He said that too.
[西班牙语] Michael Cammarata 他也这么说过。
Another 2 and 1/2 minutes pass with no interpreter.
又过了 2又1/2 分钟，没有翻译。
So the girl's dad asks her to translate his request to the detective.
所以女孩的父亲让她把他的请求翻译给侦探。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Girl Well, he said he needed an interpreter.
[说西班牙语] 女孩 好吧，他说他需要一名翻译。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Girl So he can inform you of everything.
[说西班牙语] 女孩 所以他可以告诉你一切。
So he can inform me?
那么他可以通知我吗？
Girl No. So he can tell you everything.
女孩 不。所以他可以告诉你一切。
Because he doesn't speak that much English.
因为他不太会说英语。
The girl's dad actually starts leaving the room to try to find an interpreter himself.
女孩的父亲实际上开始离开房间，试图亲自寻找翻译。
The detective tells him to stay put.
侦探告诉他不要动。
Tell him he has to stay.
告诉他他必须留下来。
Hannah Dreier Finally, as the detective continues interrogating the girl, the dad takes out his cell phone and calls a community advocate he knows.
汉娜·德雷尔 最后，当侦探继续审问女孩时，父亲拿出手机给他认识的一位社区倡导者打电话。
He passes the phone over to the detective.
他把电话递给侦探。
This is Carlos, I need interpreter, no understand.
我是卡洛斯，我需要翻译，听不懂。
The guy on the phone repeats what the dad has been saying, that he needs an interpreter.
电话里的人重复了父亲所说的话，他需要一名翻译。
And the detective agrees to get another officer who speaks Spanish.
侦探同意聘请另一名会说西班牙语的警官。
[INAUDIBLE] Michael Cammarata OK.
[听不清] 迈克尔·卡马拉塔 好的。
All right.
好的。
I'm just going to use an officer.
我只是要使用一名军官。
I just wanted to make sure what he was looking for.
我只是想确定他在寻找什么。
He said, I wanted to make sure what he was looking for.
他说，我想确定他在寻找什么。
Though it seems like the dad has made that pretty clear.
不过，爸爸好像已经说得很清楚了。
[INAUDIBLE] Michael Cammarata OK.
[听不清] 迈克尔·卡马拉塔 好的。
All right.
好的。
The detective hands the phone back to him, and he goes right back to interrogating the girl--
侦探把手机还给他，他又继续审问那个女孩——
All right.
好吧。
So you're with Carlos.
所以你和卡洛斯在一起。
Who else is in the house with Carlos?
房子里还有谁和卡洛斯在一起？
Six minutes go by, the dad asks for an interpreter for the seventh time.
六分钟过去了，爸爸第七次要求翻译。
And finally, the detective goes out to get one.
最后，侦探出去取了一个。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier Here he returns with another detective, who speaks Spanish.
[说西班牙语] 汉娜·德雷尔 (Hannah Dreier) 他带着另一位会说西班牙语的侦探回来了。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Detective Perez Si, senor.
[说西班牙语] 佩雷斯·斯警探，高级。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] OK.
[说西班牙语] 好的。
Hannah Dreier It's Detective Perez.
汉娜·德雷尔 我是佩雷斯侦探。
The same guy Carlota has been dealing with.
卡洛塔一直在和同一个人打交道。
The dad starts explaining the whole saga in Spanish, but Perez cuts him off.
父亲开始用西班牙语解释整个故事，但佩雷斯打断了他。
He turns to the girl and asks if she speaks English.
他转向女孩，问她是否会说英语。
She says she does.
她说她愿意。
Now, you speak English.
现在，你说英语。
You speak English?
你会说英语吗？
The dad jumps in and asks Perez to speak in Spanish.
父亲介入并要求佩雷斯用西班牙语讲话。
He doesn't speak Spanish, so if you speak English, you speak English.
他不会说西班牙语，所以如果你说英语，你就说英语。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier Perez Ignores her dad and begins interrogating the daughter in English.
[说西班牙语] 汉娜·德雷尔·佩雷斯 (Hannah Dreier Perez) 无视她的父亲，开始用英语审问女儿。
You think that we're as dumb as the kids you hang out with?
你认为我们和你一起出去玩的孩子一样愚蠢吗？
He tells the girl she's lying.
他告诉女孩她在撒谎。
And like the other detective, he threatens to lock her up in juvie.
和其他侦探一样，他威胁要把她关进少年犯。
How about instead of going back with your parents, we bring you to the Nassau County juvenile facility, to jail?
我们不和你父母一起回去，而是把你带到拿骚县青少年监狱，送进监狱怎么样？
Because you're a juvenile delinquent by law.
因为你是法律规定的未成年人。
You know what that means?
你知道这意味着什么吗？
That you don't follow the rules, we can bring you to a juvenile jail.
如果你不遵守规则，我们可以把你送进少年监狱。
And you just stay there, until your parents are ready to get you.
你就呆在那里，直到你的父母准备好接你为止。
The interrogation gets more intense.
审讯变得更加激烈。
Detective Cammarata threatens to take the girl to a hospital and do tests on her to see what she's been up to with these older guys.
卡马拉塔警探威胁要带女孩去医院并对她进行检查，看看她和这些年长的家伙做了什么。
The 15-year-old hangs her head and explains to her mom in tears what the detectives have been saying.
这位 15 岁的女孩低下头，泪流满面地向妈妈解释侦探们所说的话。
She says the officers are accusing her of lying.
她说警察指控她撒谎。
She says she doesn't want them to arrest her and deport her.
她说她不希望他们逮捕她并将她驱逐出境。
The girl did give them one of the names of the guys she was with.
女孩确实给了他们和她在一起的男人的名字之一。
The detectives, as far as I can tell, don't use it as a lead.
据我所知，侦探们不会用它作为线索。
Instead, Detective Perez goes into this whole scared straight speech with her.
相反，佩雷斯警探与她进行了这整个令人恐惧的直言不讳的演讲。
He tells her to stop hanging out with these guys.
他告诉她不要再和这些家伙在一起了。
And if she doesn't, he'll go after them, and then they'll be mad at her.
如果她不这样做，他就会追赶他们，然后他们就会生她的气。
We have ways of going into old messages.
我们有办法处理旧消息。
We'll find this guy you were with.
我们会找到和你在一起的那个人。
We'll lock him up.
我们会把他关起来。
We'll then lock everybody up that they end up hating you for you putting them in this position.
然后我们会把每个人都关起来，因为你把他们放在这个位置上，他们最终会恨你。
You're a young girl.
你是个年轻女孩。
Stay away from these older guys, because you'll only get them in trouble.
远离这些年长的家伙，因为你只会给他们带来麻烦。
OK?
好的？
Instead of taking the girl's parents' concerns seriously, or even hearing them out in their own language, Detective Perez threatens their daughter.
佩雷斯侦探没有认真对待女孩父母的担忧，甚至没有用他们自己的语言听取他们的意见，而是威胁他们的女儿。
And her parents had good reason to be concerned.
她的父母有充分的理由担心。
Their daughter told me that she had spent the days with an MS-13 gang member, who a year later would be charged with four murders.
他们的女儿告诉我，她曾与一名 MS-13 帮派成员一起度过了那些日子，一年后，该成员将被指控犯有四项谋杀罪。
Nine months later, the girl went missing again.
九个月后，女孩再次失踪。
She came home again, and this time she seemed genuinely scared.
她再次回到家，这次她似乎真的很害怕。
Her father called the police to ask once more if the officers would investigate the guy she'd been with.
她的父亲打电话给警察，再次询问警察是否会调查与她在一起的那个人。
He says they came over, talked to the girl, said they'd be in touch, and never were.
他说他们过来与那个女孩交谈，说他们会联系，但从未联系过。
It's unclear if they investigated beyond that.
目前还不清楚他们是否对此进行了调查。
If they did investigate, they might have learned that she'd been with the leader of one of the MS-13 cliques, a guy who's now charged with six counts of murder.
如果他们确实进行了调查，他们可能会了解到她曾与 MS-13 集团之一的领导人在一起，该领导人现在被指控犯有六项谋杀罪。
Hannah Dreier.
汉娜·德雷尔。
Coming up, all those cops you've been hearing about all this hour?
来吧，所有这些你一直听到的警察？
Hannah asks their boss, what the hell?
汉娜问他们的老板，到底是怎么回事？
That's in a minute, when our program continues.
一会儿之后，我们的节目就会继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's show, "The Runaways," investigative reporter Hannah Dreier from ProPublica is telling the story of a string of murders of immigrant teenagers in Long Island by the gang MS-13 that, for months and months, it seemed like the Suffolk County Police were not treating as murders, and certainly did not solve.
在今天的节目《逃亡者》中，ProPublica 的调查记者汉娜·德雷尔 (Hannah Dreier) 讲述了 MS-13 团伙在长岛谋杀青少年移民的一系列故事，几个月来，萨福克县警方似乎没有将其视为谋杀案，当然也没有破案。
When families reported their children missing, police told them that their kids were fine.
当家人报告孩子失踪时，警方告诉他们孩子一切都很好。
They chose to ignore leads and evidence the parents offered, didn't follow procedures and best practices that other police departments follow in similar cases.
他们选择忽视父母提供的线索和证据，没有遵循其他警察部门在类似案件中遵循的程序和最佳做法。
And they listed the children as runaways, which had effects on how rigorous the investigations were.
他们还将这些孩子列为离家出走，这影响了调查的严格程度。
The families believe they were treated this way because they're all Spanish-speaking immigrants.
这些家庭认为，他们之所以受到这样的待遇，是因为他们都是讲西班牙语的移民。
So Hannah sat down with Timothy Sini.
于是汉娜和蒂莫西·西尼坐下来。
He was the Suffolk County Police commissioner from 2016 to the beginning of 2018.
2016年至2018年初，他担任萨福克县警察局长。
Basically, he was in charge of the cops during these cases-- to see how he explained this police behavior.
基本上，在这些案件中，他负责警察——看看他如何解释警察的这种行为。
Here's Hannah.
这是汉娜。
When people on Long Island talk about Timothy Sini, they talk about him as a future congressman or New York attorney general.
当长岛的人们谈论蒂莫西·西尼时，他们谈论的是他未来的国会议员或纽约总检察长。
Sometimes, they say it in an earnest way, because he's clean cut, with some movie star sparkle, a heavy square jaw, and a diploma from the Harvard Kennedy School of Government, a Democratic Golden Boy in Trump Country.
有时，他们会很认真地这么说，因为他五官干净利落，有电影明星的光芒，方下巴厚重，还有哈佛肯尼迪政府学院的文凭，是特朗普国家的民主党金童。
Sometimes, they say it with an eye roll, because Timothy Sini is a professional politician who revels in media attention, who has been known to hold press conferences to talk about Halloween safety, and who appears to be swinging through short stints in New York institutions with his eye on bigger things.
有时，他们会翻白眼说这句话，因为蒂莫西·西尼是一位职业政客，热衷于媒体关注，众所周知，他会召开新闻发布会谈论万圣节安全，而且他似乎在纽约机构短暂任职，着眼于更大的事情。
Sini worked his way through the US attorney's office and the Long Island County Executive's office to become the youngest ever head of the Suffolk County Police Department, at the age of 36.
西尼在美国检察官办公室和长岛县行政长官办公室工作，成为萨福克县警察局有史以来最年轻的局长，时年 36 岁。
Today, he's no longer the police commissioner.
今天，他不再是警察局长了。
Last year, he was elected to be the Suffolk County District Attorney.
去年，他当选为萨福克县地方检察官。
One of his campaign slogans was "the man who took MS-13 down."
他的竞选口号之一是“击落 MS-13 的人”。
We sat in a conference room at a beautiful dark wood table.
我们坐在会议室里一张漂亮的深色木桌旁。
Government buildings are unusually nice in Suffolk County.
萨福克县的政府建筑异常漂亮。
And I asked him about the immigrant boys who went missing in 2016.
我向他询问了 2016 年失踪的移民男孩的情况。
Part of what we're writing about is the kids who went missing during that time.
我们所写的部分内容是在那段时间失踪的孩子们。
And I noticed that--
我注意到——
What time?
什么时间？
Hannah Dreier During, like, 2016, 2017.
汉娜·德雷尔 (Hannah Dreier) 在 2016 年、2017 年期间。
Oscar Acosta.
奥斯卡·阿科斯塔。
Timothy Sini No, that's before then.
Timothy Sini 不，那是在那之前。
No, they all went missing in 2016.
不，他们都在 2016 年失踪了。
Miguel Garcia.
米格尔·加西亚.
That was all 2016.
这就是2016年的全部了。
No, it was 2015.
不，那是2015年。
Hannah Dreier No, no, no. It was definitely 2016.
汉娜·德雷尔 不，不，不。那肯定是2016年了。
This is an important distinction, because if they had happened in 2015, which they didn't, that would have been before Timothy Sini took over the department.
这是一个重要的区别，因为如果它们发生在 2015 年（但事实并非如此），那也是在蒂莫西·西尼 (Timothy Sini) 接管该部门之前。
I guess, like-- Timothy Sini But they went missing in 2015.
我想，就像—— Timothy Sini 但他们在 2015 年失踪了。
OK.
好的。
I mean-- Timothy Sini Right?
我的意思是——蒂莫西·西尼 对吗？
I mean, we can just check.
我的意思是，我们可以检查一下。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Timothy Sini Yeah, we can just check the records.
Timothy Sini 是的，我们可以检查记录。
I mean, I could be-- well, don't Google it.
我的意思是，我可以——好吧，不要用谷歌搜索。
Check, like, real records.
检查真实记录。
On?
在？
Timothy Sini Like a missing persons report.
蒂莫西·西尼 (Timothy Sini) 喜欢失踪人口报告。
Yeah, I mean, it's on-- Timothy Sini Right.
是的，我的意思是，它正在播放—— Timothy Sini 对。
Google?
谷歌？
So you don't remember when they went missing, it sounds like.
所以听起来你不记得他们什么时候失踪的。
I don't have the exact date, but I can get it to you very easily.
我没有确切的日期，但我可以很容易地告诉你。
OK.
好的。
So anyway, when they went missing, their parents say that--
所以无论如何，当他们失踪时，他们的父母说——
You know, that's very important too.
你知道，这也非常重要。
Because when I came in as police commissioner, we can get the exact dates and then lay out the whole chronology.
因为当我担任警察局长时，我们可以得到确切的日期，然后列出整个时间顺序。
But when I came as police commissioner--
但当我就任警察局长时——
Here's the whole chronology.
这是整个年表。
Timothy Sini took over the department in January 2016.
Timothy Sini 于 2016 年 1 月接管该部门。
Miguel went missing in February.
米格尔在二月份失踪。
The 15-year-old girl in the secret recording went missing and was found in March.
秘密录音中的15岁女孩失踪，并于3月份被发现。
Oscar went missing in April.
奥斯卡于四月失踪。
Jose Pena went missing in June.
何塞·佩纳于六月失踪。
Once we actually started talking about the missing kid cases, former police commissioner Sini immediately said something I hadn't heard from anyone.
当我们真正开始谈论失踪儿童案件时，前警察局长西尼立即说了一些我没有从任何人那里听到的话。
He said the police knew as soon as the boys disappeared that they were murder victims, not runaways, not just missing people.
他说，男孩一失踪，警方就知道他们是谋杀案的受害者，不是逃亡者，也不仅仅是失踪人员。
But when I came as police commissioner, we had some missing boys, right?
但当我担任警察局长时，我们有一些失踪的男孩，对吗？
And right away, Chief Giganti, Gerard Giganti, who I promoted to chief detective, came to me and said, "I don't think these boys are missing.
很快，我晋升为首席侦探的吉甘蒂警长杰拉德·吉甘蒂就来找我说：“我不认为这些男孩失踪了。
I believe they're homicide victims.
我相信他们是凶杀案的受害者。
I believe they're victims of MS-13 gang violence."
我相信他们是 MS-13 帮派暴力的受害者。”
When did he say that?
他什么时候这么说的？
Timothy Sini Basically, as soon as I was told that we had missing boys, that was his analysis.
蒂莫西·西尼 基本上，当我得知我们有男孩失踪时，这就是他的分析。
So you were told these three boys were missing.
所以你被告知这三个男孩失踪了。
We suspect they're homicides.
我们怀疑他们是凶杀案。
There's no question about that.
毫无疑问。
They were likely homicide victims.
他们很可能是凶杀案的受害者。
No doubt about it, right out of the gate.
毫无疑问，就在门外。
So when you first came in.
所以当你刚进来的时候。
Timothy Sini When I first-- I have to look at when they were reported missing for the fifth time, OK?
蒂莫西·西尼 当我第一次——我必须看看他们第五次被报告失踪的时候，好吗？
But I'm telling you that right out of the gate, we suspected they were homicides.
但我告诉你，我们一开始就怀疑他们是凶杀案。
This was nuts to me, because the police appeared to be treating so many of the kids as runaways, were telling their parents not to worry, that they'd come home soon.
这对我来说很疯狂，因为警察似乎把很多孩子当作离家出走的孩子，告诉他们的父母不要担心，他们很快就会回家。
So the first one, Miguel Moran, he was missing, and he was listed as a runaway for-- he was listed, like, three times as a runaway.
所以第一个，米格尔·莫兰，他失踪了，他被列为逃亡者，因为他被列为逃亡者，大概有三次。
He went missing in February.
他于二月份失踪。
There may have been several times he went missing.
他可能失踪过几次。
No, he went missing once, in February.
不，他在二月份失踪过一次。
And then he was listed as a runaway.
然后他就被列为逃亡者。
So I am not going to sit here and debate with you facts about when someone went missing.
因此，我不会坐在这里与你们争论有关某人何时失踪的事实。
We will pull the missing persons report.
我们将调取失踪人员报告。
I mean, I can show you here.
我的意思是，我可以带你去这里。
Timothy Sini I don't care what article you're showing me.
Timothy Sini 我不在乎你给我看什么文章。
It's just, like-- it's the date, February 2016.
只是，就像——今天是 2016 年 2 月。
I have the-- I think I might even have the missing persons.
我有——我想我什至可能有失踪人员。
OK, so February 2016.
好的，2016 年 2 月。
That may be right on that particular one.
对于那个特定的人来说，这可能是正确的。
So he goes missing in February 2016, which is a few months after I get in.
所以他在 2016 年 2 月失踪，也就是我进来几个月后。
Gerry Giganti, out of the gate, says that this is not a missing persons.
走出大门的格里·吉甘蒂表示，这不是失踪人员。
It is a homicide.
这是一起凶杀案。
Which is why we transferred the missing persons case from the general squad.
这就是为什么我们把失踪人员案件从总队转移过来的原因。
Typically, it's a general squad investigation.
通常情况下，这是一次普通的小队调查。
We transfer it immediately to the major case squad.
我们立即将其移交大案组。
So in Miguel's case, he went missing in February, and then this is the poster that the family was given.
就米格尔的情况而言，他在二月份失踪了，然后这是给家人的海报。
This is now two months later, in April.
现在已经是两个月后的四月了。
And again, it says Miguel is a runaway.
再次，它说米格尔是一名逃亡者。
So he seems, at least from the outside, like he was listed as a runaway.
所以，至少从表面上看，他似乎被列为逃亡者。
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Hannah Dreier And the police told at least the state that he was a runaway.
汉娜·德雷尔（Hannah Dreier） 警方至少告诉州政府他是一名逃亡者。
And that happened again with all the boys.
所有男孩都再次经历了同样的情况。
Yeah, it's information that they probably received from the person filing the missing persons report.
是的，这可能是他们从提交失踪人员报告的人那里收到的信息。
Just because-- Hannah Dreier No, the person was convinced that he was not a runaway.
只因为—— 汉娜·德雷尔 不，这个人确信他不是逃亡者。
I don't know the source of the runaway component.
我不知道失控组件的来源。
I don't know where the runaway part came from.
我不知道那部分失控的部分是从哪里来的。
I don't know if it came from someone in the family.
不知道是不是家里人传的。
I don't know if it came from another witness.
我不知道这是否是另一个目击者的口述。
I don't know if it came from a friend of the boy.
不知道是不是这个男孩的朋友发来的。
But there is no question that, internally, there's no doubt that the Suffolk County Police Department, essentially out of the gate, believed that there was foul play.
但毫无疑问，萨福克县警察局内部毫无疑问地相信存在谋杀行为。
This is, of course, at odds with the press release the Suffolk County Police put out after Miguel disappeared, which said, quote, "Detectives do not believe there is foul play involved in Moran's disappearance."
当然，这与萨福克县警方在米格尔失踪后发布的新闻稿不一致，该新闻稿称，“侦探们不相信莫兰的失踪涉及谋杀。”
Timothy Sini said he wasn't aware of any policy about listing a kid as a runaway instead of as a missing person.
蒂莫西·西尼 (Timothy Sini) 表示，他不知道有任何政策将儿童列为离家出走者，而不是失踪者。
I wanted to know why the Suffolk County Police Department's rules and procedures had so little to say about what to do if a kid goes missing.
我想知道为什么萨福克县警察局的规则和程序对于孩子失踪后该怎么办的规定如此之少。
Just two paragraphs compared to much more detailed guidelines and checklists in Nassau County and New York City.
与拿骚县和纽约市更详细的指南和清单相比，只有两段。
Former Commissioner Sini said he didn't know what I was talking about, so I showed him a copy of that section, which I had with me.
前专员西尼说他不知道我在说什么，所以我给他看了我随身携带的那一部分的副本。
Basically, there are two paragraphs.
基本上有两段。
One says--
有人说——
I understand what you said.
我明白你说的。
And I said I think there is actually more to it.
我说我认为实际上还有更多内容。
And I think maybe, depending-- I don't know if we can get that to you, because that would essentially reveal investigative steps, but--
我想也许，取决于——我不知道我们是否可以把它交给你，因为这基本上会揭示调查步骤，但是——
There's more to it?
还有更多吗？
Like, more in the rules and procedures?
比如，更多的规则和程序？
Yes, I believe there-- Hannah Dreier I mean, these are the rules and procedures.
是的，我相信——汉娜·德雷尔（Hannah Dreier），我的意思是，这些是规则和程序。
I can assure you that these are not the rules and procedures of the Suffolk County Police Department.
我可以向您保证，这些不是萨福克县警察局的规则和程序。
The rules the procedures of the Suffolk County Police Department are about 5,000 pages long.
萨福克县警察局的程序规则大约有 5,000 页长。
They're 1,602 pages long.
它们有 1,602 页长。
I have a copy.
我有一份。
The Police Department's press office pointed out to me that if a child goes missing, the rules and procedures include another way they can find him or her.
警察局新闻办公室向我指出，如果一个孩子失踪，规则和程序包括他们可以找到他或她的另一种方式。
There are a few paragraphs about the statewide missing person alert system and how to request an alert.
有几段内容是关于全州失踪人员警报系统以及如何请求警报的。
But the police never did that for Miguel, or the 15-year-old girl, or Oscar, or Jose.
但警方从未对米格尔、那个 15 岁女孩、奥斯卡或何塞这样做。
The press office also said that police officers learn how to deal with missing children in more detail during their training.
新闻办公室还表示，警察在训练中更详细地学习如何处理失踪儿童。
The rules and procedures also say that police officers have to provide free Spanish language interpretation for anyone whose primary language is not English.
规则和程序还规定，警察必须为母语不是英语的任何人提供免费的西班牙语翻译。
And the agreement with the Department of Justice says that police have to use interpretation services instead of forcing Spanish speakers to rely on their children or hire their taxi drivers.
与司法部的协议规定，警方必须使用口译服务，而不是强迫讲西班牙语的人依赖他们的孩子或雇用出租车司机。
I asked Timothy Sini about the mom who told me she did just that.
我向蒂莫西·西尼询问了那位告诉我她就是这么做的妈妈的情况。
So we have a contract with Language Line, which is part of our language access plan.
因此，我们与 Language Line 签订了合同，这是我们语言访问计划的一部分。
Can you not interrupt me?
你能不能别打扰我？
So listen.
所以听着。
So we have a contract with language access.
所以我们签订了一份语言访问合同。
If there is a--
如果有一个——
Language Line is a service where police can call an interpreter on the phone if there's no one available in the office.
语言热线是一项服务，如果办公室无人在场，警察可以通过电话呼叫口译员。
Police tell me it can be a hassle to use.
警察告诉我，使用起来可能很麻烦。
Also, the connections can be bad, with dropped calls and annoyingly bad sound quality.
此外，连接可能会很差，会出现掉线和令人烦恼的糟糕音质。
I asked Former Commissioner Sini about the 15-year-old girl's experience, the one that was caught on the recording, and how many times the detectives refused to speak with her father in Spanish.
我向西尼前局长询问了录音中记录下来的 15 岁女孩的经历，以及侦探们有多少次拒绝用西班牙语与她父亲交谈。
But he said he wouldn't respond to, quote, "bald allegations."
但他表示，他不会回应“赤裸裸的指控”。
The Suffolk County Police tell me they've improved.
萨福克县警方告诉我他们已经有所改善。
They say they now have 10 certified interpreters, up from three.
他们说他们现在有 10 名经过认证的口译员，从 3 名增加到了 10 名。
But according to the most recent DOJ report, from March, they're still not regularly using professional interpreters.
但根据司法部最新报告，从三月份开始，他们仍然没有定期使用专业口译员。
The report says that when non-English speakers call the department, they are only given interpretation services 20% of the time.
报告称，当非英语人士致电该部门时，只有 20% 的情况为他们提供口译服务。
And the department is still letting officers use bilingual children as crime scene interpreters, even though the DOJ keeps saying that that should be banned.
尽管司法部一直表示应该禁止，但该部门仍然允许警察使用双语儿童作为犯罪现场翻译。
I recently talked to a 12-year-old girl whose brother was attacked by MS-13 in the woods by their house.
我最近与一名 12 岁女孩交谈，她的兄弟在自家房子附近的树林里遭到 MS-13 袭击。
The gang cut off his hand with a machete.
这伙人用砍刀砍掉了他的手。
When the police came to interview him, they asked her to interpret for him.
当警察来询问他时，他们请她为他翻译。
She told me that after she heard her brother tell all the details of the attack, she didn't want to leave the house anymore.
她告诉我，当她听到她哥哥讲述了袭击的所有细节后，她再也不想离开家了。
Everyone, former Commissioner Sini included, agrees on one thing-- what led to the boys being found, and their cases being investigated more rigorously-- were the next MS-13 attacks, the double murder of two teenage girls, Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens.
包括前专员西尼在内的每个人都同意一件事——导致这些男孩被发现、他们的案件得到更严格调查的原因——是下一次 MS-13 袭击，两名少女 Kayla Cuevas 和 Nisa Mickens 的双重谋杀。
In September, seven months after Miguel disappeared, best friends Kayla and Nisa were walking on a quiet street near Kayla's home, when a group of boys they'd been feuding with at school jumped out of a car and attacked them.
九月，米格尔失踪七个月后，最好的朋友凯拉和妮莎正在凯拉家附近一条安静的街道上散步，一群他们在学校不和的男孩从车上跳下来袭击了他们。
They used baseball bats and machetes.
他们使用棒球棒和砍刀。
The attackers left 15-year-old Nisa's mangled body right there on the street.
袭击者将 15 岁的妮莎残破的尸体留在街上。
16-year-old Kayla was missing overnight.
16 岁的凯拉 (Kayla) 一夜之间失踪。
The next day, a neighbor found her body in a patch of woods on the same block.
第二天，一位邻居在同一街区的一片树林里发现了她的尸体。
Almost immediately, the full force of the Suffolk County Police Department kicked into gear.
几乎立刻，萨福克县警察局的全部力量就开始行动。
And Maurice, police are calling the murders of these two teenage girls an act of savagery on this community, and they're asking for the public's help.
莫里斯，警方称这两名少女被谋杀是对这个社区的野蛮行为，他们正在寻求公众的帮助。
They're also stepping up anti-gang enforcement they have at every level, they say, patrolling this neighborhood and Brentwood High School to find the killer or killers.
他们说，他们还在各个层面加强反帮派执法，在这个社区和布伦特伍德高中巡逻，寻找凶手。
One obvious difference between the girl's deaths and the boys was that the police had the girls' bodies.
女孩的死亡和男孩的死亡之间的一个明显区别是警方拥有女孩的尸体。
The gang hadn't tried to hide them.
该团伙并没有试图隐藏它们。
But the boys' parents point out that the murders were different in another way.
但男孩的父母指出，这起谋杀案还有另一个不同之处。
The boys were immigrants, from Spanish-speaking families.
这些男孩是移民，来自讲西班牙语的家庭。
Kayla and Nisa, on the other hand, were girls born on Long Island, whose parents were English-speaking American citizens with nice homes and professional jobs.
另一方面，凯拉和妮莎是出生在长岛的女孩，她们的父母是说英语的美国公民，拥有漂亮的家庭和专业的工作。
Dozens of officers went door to door, asking for tips.
数十名警察挨家挨户询问小费。
The department increased patrols and posted flyers offering a cash reward of $15,000 for help catching the girls' killers.
该部门加强了巡逻，并张贴传单，悬赏 15,000 美元现金，以帮助抓获杀害女孩的凶手。
Police arrested 25 suspected MS-13 members and mapped out their cliques.
警方逮捕了 25 名疑似 MS-13 成员，并查明了他们的派系。
Within days, officers were searching the woods with German Shepherds and shovels.
几天之内，警察们就用德国牧羊犬和铲子在树林里搜寻。
A Suffolk County Detective visited Carlota at home and swabbed her teeth for DNA.
萨福克郡的一名侦探到卡洛塔家中探望，并用棉签擦拭她的牙齿以获取 DNA。
Timothy Sini held press conferences.
蒂莫西·西尼召开新闻发布会。
We've made a strategic subject list of known gang members in the area.
我们已经制定了该地区已知帮派成员的战略主题清单。
And we're going to be enhancing our presence here to target those individuals.
我们将加强我们在这里的存在，以针对这些人。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter When Miguel and Oscar went missing, barely anyone would talk about it.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 当米格尔和奥斯卡失踪时，几乎没有人会谈论这件事。
But then, when the girls were murdered, then everyone was talking about it.
但后来，当女孩们被谋杀时，每个人都在谈论这件事。
But it was as though nobody could remember that there were some missing persons as well.
但似乎没有人记得还有一些失踪的人。
A few days after the girls were killed, Carlota was home watching Univision.
女孩们被杀几天后，卡洛塔正在家里观看Univision。
It was on TV that I learned when they found Oscar.
当他们找到奥斯卡时，我是在电视上得知的。
And I just started to panic.
我开始恐慌。
Panic, panic, panic.
恐慌，恐慌，恐慌。
And my daughter said, no, Mom.
我女儿说，不，妈妈。
But that's not Miguel.
但那不是米格尔。
That's Oscar that they found.
这就是他们找到的奥斯卡。
But I was panicking because I said, well, if they had found Oscar, then they practically found Miguel.
但我很恐慌，因为我说，好吧，如果他们找到了奥斯卡，那么他们实际上就找到了米格尔。
And my daughter said, no, calm down.
我女儿说，不，冷静点。
It's Oscar.
这是奥斯卡。
It's not Miguel.
这不是米格尔。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier Police had found Oscar's body in the woods, the ones they call the killing fields, near some train tracks.
[西班牙语]汉娜·德雷尔警方在树林里发现了奥斯卡的尸体，他们称之为杀戮场，靠近一些铁轨。
The reporter also said that another body had been found in the same place.
记者还称，在同一地点还发现了另一具尸体。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier And just then, through the window of the basement apartment, Carlota saw two men in suits coming down the stairs.
[西班牙语]汉娜·德雷尔 就在这时，卡洛塔透过地下室公寓的窗户看到两个穿着西装的男人走下楼梯。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter I saw people coming in through the door.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 我看到有人从门进来。
And when I saw that it was the same guy who came to take my DNA, I knew that they were here to give me some news.
当我看到来提取我DNA的就是同一个人时，我知道他们是来给我一些消息的。
And I just-- I don't know.
我只是——我不知道。
I just started to scream, and cry, and kneel, and just like I was dragging myself on the floor, because I knew why they were there.
我开始尖叫、哭泣、跪下，就像我在地板上拖着自己一样，因为我知道他们为什么在那里。
And then they left.
然后他们就离开了。
And that's where I stopped remembering.
那就是我停止记忆的地方。
It's like my mind was clouded.
我的心就像被乌云笼罩了一样。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter And then, the next thing I knew, I woke up at the hospital.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 然后，我知道的下一件事是，我在医院醒来。
Carlota had run out of the apartment, tripped on some stairs outside, and smashed her face on the cement.
卡洛塔跑出了公寓，在外面的楼梯上绊了一跤，脸撞到了水泥地上。
The hospital staff wrote a summary on her chart.
医院工作人员在她的病历上写下了一份总结。
It said, quote, "altered mental state, patient repeatedly stating 'just kill me.
引述说，“精神状态发生了改变，病人反复说‘杀了我吧’。”
My son, my son.'"
我的儿子，我的儿子。’”
When she was released from the hospital, she packed Miguel's things, his clothes, video games, and school papers, into five trash bags and put them on the street.
出院后，她把米格尔的东西、衣服、电子游戏和学校试卷装进五个垃圾袋，扔到街上。
She felt guilty for having brought Miguel to Brentwood in the first place, for having told him to ignore the kids who were bothering him in school.
她为一开始把米格尔带到布伦特伍德而感到内疚，因为她告诉他不要理会那些在学校打扰他的孩子。
When he was missing, Miguel's things had felt like a vital connection to someone who was alive, but now they seemed like recriminations.
当他失踪时，米格尔的东西感觉就像是与一个活着的人有着重要的联系，但现在它们看起来像是相互指责。
The coroner listed the cause of death as a blow to the head.
验尸官将死因列为头部受到打击。
Within weeks of discovering Oscar and Miguel's bodies, police also found the body of Jose Pena, the third missing boy from Brentwood High School.
在发现奥斯卡和米格尔尸体的几周内，警方还发现了布伦特伍德高中第三个失踪男孩何塞·佩纳的尸体。
He'd been buried in the same woods.
他被埋在同一片树林里。
The double murder of Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens and the police department's race to catch the killers got so much attention, it reached all the way to President Trump, who invited the girls' parents to his first State of the Union address.
凯拉·奎瓦斯和妮莎·米肯斯的双重谋杀案以及警察局抓捕凶手的竞赛引起了如此多的关注，甚至还传到了特朗普总统，他邀请女孩的父母参加他的第一次国情咨文演讲。
Their two teenaged daughters, Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens, were close friends on Long Island.
他们的两个十几岁的女儿凯拉·奎瓦斯和妮莎·米肯斯是长岛的亲密朋友。
But in September 2016, on the eve of Nisa's 16th birthday-- such a happy time it should have been-- neither of them came home.
但在 2016 年 9 月，在妮莎 16 岁生日前夕——本该是一个多么幸福的时刻——他们俩都没有回家。
Trump drew a straight line from the girl's murders to the need for stronger immigration laws.
特朗普将女孩的谋杀案与加强移民法的必要性联系起来。
Many of these gang members took advantage of glaring loopholes in our laws to enter the country as illegal, unaccompanied, alien minors, and wound up in Kayla and Nisa's high school.
这些帮派成员中的许多人利用我们法律中的明显漏洞，以非法、无人陪伴的外国未成年人身份进入该国，并最终在凯拉和妮莎的高中就读。
Of course, Miguel and Oscar and Jose were also in that high school.
当然，米格尔、奥斯卡和何塞也在那所高中。
And their disappearances got so much less attention, not just by the president, but by the police.
他们的失踪不仅受到总统的关注，而且也受到警方的关注。
I asked former Commissioner Sini why the police seemed to do so little until the two girls died, especially if they thought the missing boys were homicides.
我问前局长西尼，为什么警方在这两个女孩死亡之前似乎没有采取任何行动，特别是如果他们认为失踪的男孩是凶杀案的话。
You know, when you have the double homicide of two high school girls in Brentwood, that's going to provide a catalyst to increase more resources in eradicating MS-13.
你知道，当布伦特伍德发生两名高中女生双重凶杀案时，这将成为增加更多资源来根除 MS-13 的催化剂。
And that's exactly what we did.
这正是我们所做的。
If you want to criticize the Suffolk County Police Department for not doing enough against MS-13 prior to September 13, 2016, I suppose you can do that.
如果你想批评萨福克县警察局在 2016 年 9 月 13 日之前对 MS-13 采取的行动不够，我想你可以这么做。
Why would you say that?
你为什么这么说？
Timothy Sini Well, that's what you're suggesting.
Timothy Sini 嗯，这就是你的建议。
So what I'm suggesting to you is that it's clearly a fact that we did increase our efforts against MS-13 on September 13, 2016.
因此，我向您建议的是，我们确实在 2016 年 9 月 13 日加大了针对 MS-13 的力度，这显然是事实。
It may be true that the police stepped up their efforts after September 13th, but they weren't necessarily effective.
9月13日之后警方确实加大了力度，但不一定有效。
The murders continued.
谋杀仍在继续。
In October, a few weeks after the girls were killed, MS-13 killed another 15-year-old immigrant high schooler.
10 月，女孩被杀几周后，MS-13 又杀死了另一名 15 岁的移民高中生。
When his father reported him missing, police listed him as a runaway.
当他的父亲报告他失踪时，警方将他列为逃亡者。
A few days later, a man's body was found in the street.
几天后，人们在街上发现了一具男子的尸体。
After that, it was a suspected rival killed in a deli, then four young men cut up and left together in a gruesome tableau in the woods.
之后，一名疑似情敌在一家熟食店被杀，随后四名年轻人被肢解并一起离开，在树林中呈现出恐怖的画面。
All told, the gang killed eight more people by the spring of 2017.
到 2017 年春天，该团伙总共又杀害了 8 人。
By then, MS-13 murders accounted for 40% of homicides in Suffolk County.
那时，MS-13 谋杀案占萨福克县凶杀案的 40%。
I've spoken with most of the victim's families.
我已经与大多数受害者的家人进行了交谈。
All of them are Latino immigrants.
他们都是拉丁裔移民。
And even though their loved ones were killed after September 13th, they all told me they felt ignored and disrespected by the Suffolk County Police.
尽管他们的亲人在 9 月 13 日之后被杀，但他们都告诉我，他们感到萨福克县警察的忽视和不尊重。
There are lots of ways to frame why the cops treated them like this.
有很多方法可以解释为什么警察这样对待他们。
The parents say it's because they're immigrants.
父母说这是因为他们是移民。
The DOJ says the department has unlawful bias and discrimination.
美国司法部表示，该部门存在非法偏见和歧视。
This one retired Suffolk County detective I talked to had another word for it.
与我交谈过的一位退休的萨福克县侦探对此有另一种说法。
His name is Rob Trotta.
他的名字叫罗布·特罗塔。
He's now a county politician.
他现在是一名县政客。
He left the police department a year and a half before Timothy Sini came in.
在蒂莫西·西尼 (Timothy Sini) 加入之前，他离开了警察局一年半。
There is a term among law enforcement.
执法部门中有一个术语。
It's called a misdemeanor murder.
这被称为轻罪谋杀。
You know, they're killing each other.
你知道，他们正在互相残杀。
I guess it's a bad thing to say they were killing each other, but were killing low income, minority people.
我想说他们互相残杀是一件坏事，但他们正在杀害低收入的少数族裔。
Which, you know, is horrible.
你知道，这太可怕了。
That means like a murder that's not going to get as much attention as the other ones, or you're not going to get as much glory for solving?
这意味着就像谋杀案一样，它不会像其他谋杀案一样受到那么多关注，或者你不会因为解决而获得那么多荣耀？
No, it's like you know, you're anyone, and there's a murder where someone really got murdered, you're going to put attention to that, because this guy, you know, was-- I don't want to say asking for it.
不，就像你知道的那样，你是任何人，并且有一起谋杀案，有人真的被谋杀了，你要注意这一点，因为这个人，你知道，是——我不想说是自找的。
No one should be asking for murder, but clearly he put himself in a position to be killed.
没有人应该要求谋杀，但显然他把自己置于被杀的境地。
Now, that's very different from two girls being murdered, high school girls, by MS-13.
现在，这与两名高中女生被 MS-13 谋杀有很大不同。
That's not misdemeanor murder.
这不是轻罪谋杀。
I asked the Suffolk County Police if their cops use this term.
我问萨福克县警察他们的警察是否使用这个词。
They sent back a statement saying, quote, "Every investigation is rigorously conducted, regardless of victim or circumstances.
他们发回一份声明称，“无论受害者或情况如何，每项调查都会严格进行。
And department resources are allocated accordingly."
部门资源也会相应分配。”
But there's another reason why the investigations into the boy's disappearances were so anemic.
但对男孩失踪的调查如此乏力还有另一个原因。
Several detectives and FBI agents talked to me about it.
几位侦探和联邦调查局特工跟我谈过这件事。
They said the team who handled cases like this in Suffolk County used to be excellent.
他们说，萨福克县处理此类案件的团队曾经非常出色。
This was over a decade ago, starting back in 2003, when the FBI first created a joint gang task force on Long Island.
这是十多年前的事了，从 2003 年开始，当时联邦调查局 (FBI) 首次在长岛成立了一个联合帮派特别工作组。
It's basically like a team made up of FBI agents and local detectives.
它基本上就像一个由联邦调查局特工和当地侦探组成的团队。
They share intel, fight crime together.
他们分享情报，共同打击犯罪。
Suffolk County Police sent three of its detectives to join them.
萨福克县警方派出三名侦探加入他们的行列。
Rob Trotta was one of those detectives.
罗布·特罗塔就是其中一位侦探。
And for nearly a decade, they had MS-13 on the run.
近十年来，他们的 MS-13 一直在逃。
I call it the 1978 Yankees, when everything just clicks and you know, we had informants everywhere.
我称之为 1978 年的洋基队，当时一切都很顺利，你知道，我们到处都有线人。
They really had a pulse for what was going on.
他们确实对正在发生的事情了如指掌。
We would cover gang and clique meetings, where we had two people wired up, just so we could see what was going on.
我们会报道帮派和派系的会议，我们让两个人连线，这样我们就可以看到发生了什么。
If they broke off, we would have conversations and everything.
如果他们中断了，我们就会进行对话等等。
They shared resources with the feds, who had way more money and training.
他们与联邦政府共享资源，后者拥有更多的资金和培训。
They solved murders, and even got wind of planned murders before they happened and stopped them.
他们破获了谋杀案，甚至在谋杀案发生之前就得知并制止了谋杀案。
It was going great, until, in 2012, the Suffolk County Police Chief at the time, a guy named James Burke, got into a squabble with the FBI and pulled his detectives from the task force.
一切进展顺利，直到 2012 年，时任萨福克县警察局长詹姆斯·伯克 (James Burke) 与联邦调查局 (FBI) 发生争执，并将他的侦探从专案组中撤出。
Then a few months later, Burke got into big trouble himself for beating up a guy who had been arrested for theft.
几个月后，伯克因殴打一名因盗窃被捕的男子而陷入大麻烦。
The thief had stolen a duffel bag from Burke's car, which was weirdly filled with dildos and porn.
小偷从伯克的车里偷了一个行李袋，里面奇怪地装满了假阳具和色情内容。
The FBI started investigating him as a result.
联邦调查局因此开始对他进行调查。
Burke was eventually put in prison for violating civil rights and obstructing justice.
伯克最终因侵犯公民权利和妨碍司法公正而入狱。
But one major casualty of the whole fiasco was the department's anti-gang capabilities.
但整个惨败的一大受害者是该部门的反帮派能力。
They were decimated.
他们被消灭了。
When Timothy Sini took over the police department in early 2016, he restored the partnership with the FBI.
2016 年初蒂莫西·西尼 (Timothy Sini) 接管警察局后，恢复了与联邦调查局 (FBI) 的合作关系。
But by then, Suffolk County had lost out more than three years of MS-13 intel.
但到那时，萨福克县已经失去了三年多的 MS-13 情报。
And it was really hard to catch up.
而且真的很难追上。
Finally, in March of 2017, a year after Miguel first went missing, the FBI gang task force, which now had Suffolk County cops back on it, made a big arrest.
最终，在 2017 年 3 月，即米格尔首次失踪一年后，联邦调查局帮派特别工作组（现在萨福克县警察又重新介入）进行了一次大规模逮捕。
They charged two guys, 19-year-old Jairo Saenz and his 22-year-old brother Alexi, with organizing the murders of Kayla and Nisa six months before.
他们指控两名男子，19 岁的 Jairo Saenz 和他 22 岁的弟弟 Alexi，六个月前组织谋杀了 Kayla 和 Nisa。
The brothers were the leaders of the main MS-13 clique at Brentwood High School, the Sailors.
兄弟俩是布伦特伍德高中 MS-13 主要集团水手队的领导者。
They've pled not guilty.
他们不认罪。
Federal prosecutors have now charged at least 28 people with participating in the MS-13 mayhem on Long Island.
联邦检察官现已指控至少 28 人参与长岛 MS-13 骚乱。
It's a massive, ongoing case that includes at least 15 murders, eight attempted murders, arsons, assault, racketeering, and conspiracies to sell marijuana and cocaine.
这是一起正在审理的大规模案件，涉及至少 15 起谋杀案、8 起谋杀未遂案、纵火案、袭击案、敲诈勒索案以及共谋出售大麻和可卡因案。
Many of the accused ringleaders are teenagers.
许多被指控的头目都是青少年。
The case is still in progress, with new defendants added every few months.
该案仍在审理中，每隔几个月就会增加新的被告。
At least 10 people have been indicted for the murders of Oscar Acosta, Jose Pena, and the girls, Kayla Cuevas and Nisa Mickens.
至少有 10 人因谋杀奥斯卡·阿科斯塔、何塞·佩纳以及女孩凯拉·奎瓦斯和妮莎·米肯斯而被起诉。
One person has already pled guilty to killing Jose Pena.
一人已承认杀害何塞·佩纳。
But so far, no one's been charged for Miguel's death.
但到目前为止，还没有人因米格尔的死亡而受到指控。
Carlota won't give Miguel a proper burial until his killer is brought to justice.
在凶手被绳之以法之前，卡洛塔不会给米格尔一个正式的埋葬。
So in the meantime, his ashes sit on a night stand.
所以与此同时，他的骨灰放在床头柜上。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Interpreter It's been three years, and the police have never come here to tell me anything.
[说西班牙语] 翻译 已经三年了，警察从来没有来这里告诉过我任何事情。
They just gave me back my son in a cardboard box.
他们刚刚把我的儿子装在一个纸板箱里还给了我。
And that's what makes me mad.
这就是让我生气的原因。
There are lots of parents, and we're all suffering.
父母有很多，我们都在受苦。
So if they could just have a little bit of wisdom, some feeling, some heart, to help us Latinos.
因此，如果他们能有一点智慧、一点感觉、一点心来帮助我们拉丁裔就好了。
I say Latinos, because if they were Americans-- and I'm sorry to say this, but if they were Americans, they would have found someone quickly.
我说拉丁裔，因为如果他们是美国人——我很抱歉这么说，但如果他们是美国人，他们会很快找到人。
But because we're Latinos, we're always left behind.
但因为我们是拉丁裔，所以我们总是被落在后面。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Hannah Dreier I think I know what happened to Miguel.
[说西班牙语] Hannah Dreier 我想我知道 Miguel 发生了什么事。
In those Facebook messages from the day he went missing, he and Alexander Lokote talk about meeting up with a guy named Jairo.
在他失踪那天的 Facebook 消息中，他和亚历山大·洛科特 (Alexander Lokote) 谈论了与一个名叫贾罗 (Jairo) 的人会面的事情。
Alexander wants to meet Miguel at Jairo's house.
亚历山大想在贾罗家里见米格尔。
Jairo says don't bring a friend.
Jairo 说不要带朋友来。
Jairo is going to supply the weed.
贾罗将提供杂草。
I'm waiting for you at the school with Jairo.
我和 Jairo 在学校等你。
One of the leaders of the MS-13 clique, the Sailors, the guy who's been charged with six murders now, including Oscar's and Kayla's and Nisa's murders, is Jairo Saenz.
杰罗·萨恩斯 (Jairo Saenz) 是 MS-13 集团“水手”的领导人之一，他现在被指控犯有六起谋杀案，其中包括谋杀奥斯卡、凯拉和妮莎。
This summer, I talked to a former member of Jairo's clique, a guy named Henry, who's in immigration detention right now.
今年夏天，我与贾罗集团的前成员交谈，他名叫亨利，目前正在移民拘留所中。
Henry told me, after he joined the Sailors, the first person the clique killed was a chubby Ecuadorean kid.
亨利告诉我，他加入水手队后，该集团杀死的第一个人是一个胖乎乎的厄瓜多尔孩子。
I showed him a picture of Miguel, and he said, yeah, that was him.
我给他看了一张米格尔的照片，他说，是的，就是他。
Henry says Miguel confused the Sailors, because he wore a clashing mix of gang gear.
亨利说米格尔让水手们感到困惑，因为他穿着混搭的帮派装备。
Sometimes, he'd come to school wearing the plastic rosary of MS-13.
有时，他会戴着 MS-13 的塑料念珠来学校。
Other times, he'd be in the head-to-toe black of the 18th Street Gang, or sporting a red bandanna, a sign of the bloods.
其他时候，他会从头到脚穿着第 18 街帮的黑色衣服，或者戴着红色头巾，这是血统的标志。
Henry knew Miguel at school.
亨利在学校认识米格尔。
Sometimes, they'd smoke weed together in the woods.
有时，他们会一起在树林里抽大麻。
And so one time, Henry says Jairo made him grill Miguel about why he was wearing clothes from these gangs, if he wasn't in a gang.
有一次，亨利说杰罗让他盘问米格尔，如果他没有加入帮派，为什么他会穿着这些帮派的衣服。
Miguel said he didn't have to explain how he dressed to anyone.
米格尔说他不需要向任何人解释他的着装。
Henry thought Miguel was probably trying out gang clothes in an attempt to look cool.
亨利认为米格尔可能是在尝试帮派服装，试图让自己看起来很酷。
But the clique felt disrespected, and that's all it took to get Miguel killed-- a red bandanna.
但该集团感到不受尊重，而这就是杀死米格尔所需要的一切——一条红色大手帕。
Hannah Dreier.
汉娜·德雷尔。
She's a reporter for ProPublica.
她是 ProPublica 的记者。
This story was a collaboration with them.
这个故事是与他们合作的。
There's a print version on their web site.
他们的网站上有印刷版。
ProPublica.org.
ProPublica.org。
Something upsetting recently happened on Long Island, that we thought we should point out before we leave this subject.
长岛最近发生了一些令人不安的事情，我们认为在结束这个主题之前应该指出这一点。
One of the parents who we mentioned in this story, Evelyn Rodriguez, the mother of one of the girls who was killed, was also killed.
我们在这个故事中提到的父母之一，伊芙琳·罗德里格斯（Evelyn Rodriguez），一名被杀女孩的母亲，也被杀了。
Not by MS-13.
不是MS-13。
It happened during an argument over the location of a memorial for her daughter.
这件事发生在一场关于她女儿纪念碑位置的争论中。
She was one of the parents who Donald Trump invited to the State of the Union address.
她是唐纳德·特朗普邀请参加国情咨文演讲的家长之一。
Our program was produced today by Dana Chivvis and Sean Cole.
今天我们的节目由 Dana Chivvis 和 Sean Cole 制作。
The people who put our show together today includes Elna Baker, Zoe Chace, Whitney Dangerfield, Damian Graef, Chana Joffe-Walt, Seth Lind, Lawrence Lowe, Anna Martin, Nadia Reiman, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Dianne Wu.
今天制作我们节目的人员包括 Elna Baker、Zoe Chace、Whitney Dangerfield、Damian Graef、Chana Joffe-Walt、Seth Lind、Lawrence Lowe、Anna Martin、Nadia Reiman、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Dianne Wu。
Our senior producer is Brian Reed.
我们的高级制片人是布莱恩·里德。
Our managing editor is Susan Burton.
我们的总编辑是苏珊·伯顿。
Special thanks today to Peter Brill, Rob Bub, David Klinger, Vernon Geberth, Natalie Keyssar, Alexandra Zayas, Dan Golden, and our colleagues at ProPublica.
今天特别感谢 Peter Brill、Rob Bub、David Klinger、Vernon Geberth、Natalie Keyssar、Alexandra Zayas、Dan Golden 以及我们在 ProPublica 的同事。
Quick program note.
快速程序说明。
Our program Serial just launched its third season.
我们的节目系列刚刚推出了第三季。
Sarah Koenig and Emmanuel Dzotsi host.
莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 和伊曼纽尔·佐西 (Emmanuel Dzotsi) 担任主持人。
I've been hearing drafts of this for months.
几个月来我一直在听到这个草稿。
I cannot recommend this highly enough.
我极力推荐这个。
It's about the court system.
这是关于法院系统的。
It gives this very vivid picture of ordinary cases that turn out to be all kinds of incredible in all kinds of ways.
它生动地描绘了普通案件的情况，而这些案件最终以各种方式变得令人难以置信。
You can hear it at serialpodcast.org, or wherever you get your podcasts.
您可以在serialpodcast.org 或任何可以获取播客的地方收听它。
This American Life is delivered in to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always our program's co-founder, Tory Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Tory Malatia。
He is still using Yahoo.
他仍在使用雅虎。
He says to me all the time, when I try to look up something online--
当我试图在网上查找一些东西时，他总是对我说——
Well, don't Google it.
好吧，不要用谷歌搜索它。
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。