656: Let Me Count the Ways - This American Life

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Prologue Ira Glass 7:00 AM, Tijuana, Mexico, at a little plaza just outside the border crossing into the United States.

序言 Ira Glass 上午 7:00，墨西哥蒂华纳，美国边境口岸外的一个小广场。

About 250 people, lots with backpacks and suitcases, lots with kids, crowd around a woman who holds an oversized notebook in her arms.

大约 250 人，很多人都背着背包和手提箱，很多人还带着孩子，围着一位怀里抱着一本超大笔记本的女士。

That's what I've come to see.

这就是我来这里的目的。

The notebook.

笔记本。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass Anybody else have 532?

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 还有人有 532 吗？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass Anybody got 533?

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 有人拿到 533 了吗？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass 534?

[说西班牙语] Ira Glass 534？

The notebook is a list of names, each neatly written in ballpoint pen.

笔记本上有一列名字，每个名字都用圆珠笔工整地写着。

If she calls you, then you get to enter the official port of entry.

如果她打电话给您，那么您就可以进入官方入境口岸。

It's just over the fence.

就在栅栏那边。

Each number has 10 names under it.

每个数字下面有 10 个名字。

OK.

好的。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass You have to get in the book.

[说西班牙语] Ira Glass 你必须写进书里。

If you just walk up to the port of entry and say you want asylum in the United States, you're running for your life, they'll tell you to get out.

如果你走到入境口岸并说你想在美国寻求庇护，那么你就是在逃命，他们会告诉你离开。

You have to go outside.

你必须到外面去。

Get a number.

获取号码。

Wait your turn.

轮到你了。

A couple of people told us this happened to them.

有几个人告诉我们这发生在他们身上。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass She starts to call out all the names under the number 535.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 她开始喊出 535 号下的所有名字。

I've edited out the last names here because so many people were nervous about being identified by cartels and gangs when we talked to them.

我在这里删除了姓氏，因为当我们与很多人交谈时，他们担心被卡特尔和帮派认出。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Alexa?

[说西班牙语] Alexa？

Alexa?

亚历克斯？

Alberto?

阿尔贝托？

She's standing outside the busiest border crossing in the Western hemisphere, a complex of buildings so sprawling that I never figured out exactly where they started and ended.

她站在西半球最繁忙的过境点外，这是一座建筑群，如此庞大，以至于我一直不知道它们到底在哪里开始和结束。

It's run by a federal agency with 60,000 employees.

它由一个拥有 60,000 名员工的联邦机构运营。

This woman is not one of them.

这个女人不是他们中的一员。

She's seeking asylum herself, here with her son.

她自己和儿子一起在这里寻求庇护。

She said her husband was killed by gangs back in El Salvador.

她说她的丈夫在萨尔瓦多被帮派杀害。

Then in July, they threatened to do it to her 10-year-old son, too, if she didn't pay up.

然后到了 7 月，他们威胁说，如果她不还钱，他们也会对她 10 岁的儿子这么做。

So she said she quit her job and abandoned her house and came here.

所以她说她辞去了工作，抛弃了房子，来到了这里。

That's who we have pulling people from the crowd and lining them up to enter the United States.

这就是我们把人们从人群中拉出来并让他们排队进入美国的人。

That's our system for doing it these days.

这就是我们现在这样做的系统。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass Calm down.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 冷静。

Calm down, she says.

冷静点，她说。

Now, in theory, this job shouldn't fall to a random person who's not even a US citizen.

现在，从理论上讲，这项工作不应该落到一个甚至不是美国公民的随机人身上。

Under US law and international treaties, the moment anybody seeking asylum presents him or herself to a border patrol officer, that officer has an obligation to process them, right then.

根据美国法律和国际条约，当任何寻求庇护的人向边境巡逻官员提出庇护时，该官员就有义务立即处理他们。

So in theory, all the people standing in this plaza should be able to march up to the huge border station and get processed immediately.

所以理论上来说，所有站在这个广场上的人都应该能够立即前往巨大的边境站接受处理。

No wait, no notebook with numbers.

不用等，没有带数字的笔记本。

But under President Trump, the government's saying it doesn't have the capacity to process all the people showing up at our southern border.

但在特朗普总统的领导下，政府表示没有能力处理出现在我们南部边境的所有人员。

So people stand outside our border, waiting.

所以人们站在我们的边境外等待。

Not just here, but at official ports of entry all across the southwest.

不仅在这里，而且在整个西南部的官方入境口岸。

Over the last six months, Customs and Border Protection officers have been stopping asylum seekers from even walking up to federal facilities at the border.

在过去的六个月里，海关和边境保护局官员一直在阻止寻求庇护者前往边境的联邦设施。

This has been filmed by crews from CBS, NBC, Fox, and many others.

哥伦比亚广播公司 (CBS)、全国广播公司 (NBC)、福克斯 (Fox) 和许多其他公司的工作人员都拍摄过该视频。

They stop people in the middle of bridges that cross from Mexico into the United States at El Paso and Brownsville, and turn them away before they can even get to the official ports of entry on the other side to apply for asylum.

他们在埃尔帕索和布朗斯维尔从墨西哥进入美国的桥梁中间拦截人们，甚至在他们到达另一边的官方入境口岸申请庇护之前将他们拒之门外。

Customs and Border Protection says the people are allowed in once space becomes available.

海关和边境保护局表示，一旦有空位，人们就可以进入。

They expect this will be temporary, and I quote, "No one is being denied the opportunity to make a claim of credible fear or seek asylum." The lawyers for the immigrants point out that, in the past, these facilities have not had a problem processing the number of people who show up today.

他们预计这将是暂时的，我引用的话：“没有人被拒绝提出可信的恐惧或寻求庇护的机会。”移民律师指出，过去这些设施在处理今天出现的人数方面没有问题。

So people are kept waiting outside to fend for themselves.

因此，人们只能在外面等待，以求自生自灭。

Here in Tijuana, it's so many people that they wait for weeks.

在蒂华纳，人太多了，他们要等上几个星期。

So to keep things orderly, they have this notebook.

为了保持秩序，他们有这个笔记本。

And because it raises legal issues under asylum law for either the Mexican or American governments to keep a list like this, it's managed by an asylum seeker.

而且，由于墨西哥或美国政府保留这样的名单会根据庇护法提出法律问题，因此该名单由寻求庇护者管理。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass The woman with the notebook is named Karen.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 拿着笔记本的女人名叫凯伦。

She says that when she first arrived here from El Salvador, she put her name in the notebook-- her number is 598-- started paying for a cheap room nearby, and volunteered with Mexican officials to help clean the plaza, or whatever, just to be useful.

她说，当她第一次从萨尔瓦多来到这里时，她把自己的名字写在笔记本上——她的号码是598——开始支付附近便宜房间的费用，并自愿与墨西哥官员一起帮助清洁广场或其他什么，只是为了有用。

And then at some point, the Jamaican refugee who'd been managing the notebook got his number called and passed the notebook to her.

然后在某个时候，负责管理笔记本的牙买加难民接到了电话，并将笔记本交给了她。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass You really could not pick anybody better for this job.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 你真的找不到比这更适合这份工作的人了。

Karen managed people in her old job in the Salvadoran Ministry of Health, and says she was also a leader at her church.

凯伦在萨尔瓦多卫生部的旧工作中负责管理人员，并表示她也是教会的领袖。

And she's good at managing people.

而且她很擅长管理人。

When she's not shouting names, she calls everybody "preciosa," precious.

当她不喊名字的时候，她会称呼每个人为“preciosa”，即“宝贝”。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass And goes about the daily task of disappointing people whose numbers aren't picked with as much kindness as anybody could possibly muster.

[说西班牙语] Ira Glass 每天的任务就是让那些没有像任何人所能聚集的那样善意地挑选数字的人感到失望。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass I'm going to ask you all a favor, she's saying, but she doesn't say right away what it is.

[说西班牙语] Ira Glass：我想请你们帮个忙，她说，但她没有立即说出具体是什么。

Dozens of tired people look at her.

几十个疲惫的人看着她。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass I want us all to be happy for those who are going in.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 我希望我们所有人都为那些即将加入的人感到高兴。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] OK?

[说西班牙语] 可以吗？

Ira Glass Because just like you, I'm waiting for my number, OK?

Ira Glass 因为就像你一样，我也在等我的电话号码，好吗？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass I know the effort to be here has been hard for everybody.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 我知道来到这里的努力对每个人来说都很艰难。

I know this is really difficult.

我知道这真的很难。

I understand because I'm living it, too.

我理解，因为我也在生活。

I'm also paying rent.

我也交房租了

I'm also spending money on food.

我也在吃饭上花钱。

But I want to appeal to your conscience, OK?

但我想诉诸你的良心，好吗？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass And here finally, she gets to the favor.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 终于，她得到了青睐。

She explains there's a pregnant woman she wants to jump to the front of the line, and she wants everybody be OK with that and feel good about it.

她解释说，她有一位孕妇想要插到队伍的前面，她希望每个人都能接受并对此感觉良好。

Nobody seems too happy with this, but nobody complains, either.

似乎没有人对此感到太满意，但也没有人抱怨。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Ira Glass The person who brought me to see this is an LA Times reporter who first wrote about the existence of the notebook, Cindy Carcamo.

[西班牙语] Ira Glass 带我看到这个的人是《洛杉矶时报》的记者 Cindy Carcamo，她是第一个报道笔记本存在的人。

Although the notebook is supposedly the system that asylum seekers are running for each other to make their wait more orderly, Cindy says they probably didn't create the notebook.

尽管该笔记本据称是寻求庇护者为彼此运行的系统，以使他们的等待更加有序，但辛迪表示，他们可能没有创建该笔记本。

In fact, most everything about the notebook is controlled by a Mexican government agency called Grupos Beta.

事实上，笔记本电脑的大部分内容都由墨西哥政府机构 Grupos Beta 控制。

Grupos Beta takes the notebook each night and stores it in a safe.

Grupos Beta 每天晚上都会拿走笔记本并将其存放在保险箱中。

And a Grupos Beta official explained to Cindy and me that every morning, they talk to somebody from US Customs and Border Protection.

Grupos Beta 的一位官员向辛迪和我解释说，每天早上，他们都会与美国海关和边境保护局的人员交谈。

[SPEAKING SPANISH]?

[说西班牙语]？

Or no. Man [SPEAKING SPANISH]

或者没有。男人[说西班牙语]

They just meet, talking.

他们只是见面、聊天。

And then he says we're taking this many people in today, and that's how it works.

然后他说我们今天要吸收这么多人，这就是它的运作方式。

Every day in the morning, US Customs and Border Protection gives a number to Mexican officials, and then the Mexican officials give that number to the notebook keeper and she calls that many names.

每天早上，美国海关和边境保护局都会向墨西哥官员提供一个号码，然后墨西哥官员将这个号码交给笔记本管理员，她会叫出那么多名字。

On this particular day, only 20 people were allowed to enter the port of entry.

在这一天，只允许20人进入入境口岸。

One day earlier in the week, it was zero.

本周早些时候的一天，该值为零。

On any given day, with over 1,000 names uncalled in the notebook, it's 20, or 30, or 40.

在任何一天，笔记本上都有超过 1,000 个名字没有被叫到，那就是 20 个、30 个或 40 个。

50's the most anybody had seen.

50年代是人们见过最多的。

Cindy and I talked to lots of people who were waiting, and they were pretty much exactly who you'd expect.

辛迪和我与很多正在等待的人交谈过，他们几乎正是你所期望的人。

Many of them said they were escaping violence in Mexico or Central America.

他们中的许多人表示，他们是为了逃避墨西哥或中美洲的暴力。

Some seemed truly terrified, even here in the plaza.

有些人似乎真的很害怕，即使是在广场上。

One woman said that yesterday, her son thought that he'd spotted one of the men who was after them at the shelter they were staying at, so they fled to a hotel.

一名妇女说，昨天，她的儿子以为自己在他们住的避难所发现了一名男子正在追捕他们，所以他们逃到了一家酒店。

But we also met a 29-year-old mom named Lara, from a tiny Mexican town called Jalapa in Guerrero, who is here because her cousin in California keeps telling her that her kids would have a better life in the United States.

但我们也遇到了一位名叫拉拉 (Lara) 的 29 岁妈妈，她来自墨西哥格雷罗州一个叫哈拉帕的小镇，她来到这里是因为她在加利福尼亚州的表弟一直告诉她，她的孩子在美国会过上更好的生活。

So she sold off everything and brought the five of them here-- really nice kids, by the way-- hoping for political asylum.

于是她卖掉了一切，把他们五个人带到了这里——顺便说一句，他们都是非常好的孩子——希望获得政治庇护。

No. No violence, she said.

不，没有暴力，她说。

It's not about violence.

这与暴力无关。

If she's not fleeing violence, she doesn't really have much chance of getting asylum in the United States.

如果她不是为了逃离暴力，她在美国获得庇护的机会并不大。

It was weird to talk to somebody and know that she probably would not get what she had pinned all her hopes on and traveled 1,500 miles for, and that she and her kids were probably going to wait for weeks and then get turned back.

与某人交谈并知道她可能不会得到她所寄托的全部希望并长途跋涉 1,500 英里才得到的东西，这感觉很奇怪，而且她和她的孩子可能会等待数周然后被拒绝。

I never had the experience of knowing so clearly someone's future that they do not know.

我从来没有过如此清楚地知道某人的未来而他们却不知道的经历。

It was hard to keep looking her in the eye.

很难一直看着她的眼睛。

You know, everything was in Spanish, right?

你知道，一切都是西班牙语，对吧？

So I don't understand Spanish.

所以我听不懂西班牙语。

I didn't get anything.

我什么也没得到。

So I want to know what's happening.

所以我想知道发生了什么事。

Give me a moment.

给我一点时间。

Man Yesterday you told me "manana." Today again, "manana."

伙计，昨天你告诉我“manana”。今天又是“马纳纳”。

OK.

好的。

Ira Glass When Karen finished rounding up her 20 people for the day, this guy from Cameroon, named Ransom, approached her.

艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 当凯伦 (Karen) 召集完当天的 20 个人后，这个来自喀麦隆、名叫兰塞姆 (Ransom) 的人走近了她。

Karen's English doesn't go much past "give me a moment," and his Spanish doesn't go much past "manana." So Karen dragged in Cindy, the LA Times reporter, to translate.

凯伦的英语不会超出“给我一点时间”，而他的西班牙语不会超出“manana”。于是凯伦请来《洛杉矶时报》记者辛迪来翻译。

But can you ask her how many people will be waiting tomorrow?

但你能问她明天有多少人在等吗？

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Karen [SPEAKING SPANISH]

[说西班牙语] 凯伦 [说西班牙语]

When they're done, Ransom told me and Cindy that he left Cameroon with 16 other people three months before.

当他们完成后，兰塞姆告诉我和辛迪，他三个月前和另外 16 个人一起离开了喀麦隆。

They flew to Ecuador, which is a path that lots of people take because visas are easy to get there.

他们飞往厄瓜多尔，这是很多人选择的途径，因为那里的签证很容易获得。

Then they walked through the jungle, north through Central America, sleeping in the bush, till they got here three weeks ago.

然后他们穿过丛林，向北穿过中美洲，睡在灌木丛中，直到三周前到达这里。

It's been a tough journey.

这是一段艰难的旅程。

It's really been tough.

真的很艰难。

It's been a long way.

已经走了很长一段路了。

The money is finished.

钱已经用完了。

Like, I don't have a way to stay.

就像，我没有办法留下来。

That's the problem.

这就是问题所在。

That's why I'm frustrated.

这就是我感到沮丧的原因。

That's the problem.

这就是问题所在。

Where are you staying?

你住在哪里？

Man We just live nearby.

伙计，我们就住在附近。

We just-- you wouldn't understand.

我们只是——你不会理解的。

It's quite tough.

这是相当艰难的。

We're like 40 people in one room.

我们大约 40 个人挤在一个房间里。

One small room.

一间小房间。

It's just-- I don't know how something like that--

只是——我不知道怎么会这样——

We pay like $50 a month.

我们每个月付50美元左右。

Ira Glass And he's going to be here so long that he has to pay a second month.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：他要在这里待很长时间，以至于他必须支付第二个月的费用。

He says they were robbed along the way in the jungle.

他说他们在丛林中一路被抢劫。

So when he arrived in Tijuana three weeks ago, he only had $80.

因此，当他三周前抵达蒂华纳时，他身上只有 80 美元。

With so little money, how is he surviving?

钱这么少，他怎么生存？

Well, water in the absence of food.

好吧，在没有食物的情况下喝水。

I drink water.

我喝水。

The situation he's fleeing should make him a good candidate for asylum in the United States.

他逃离的情况应该使他成为美国庇护的良好候选人。

The government of Cameroon has been killing the English-speaking minority in the country and burning their homes, trying to suppress an armed uprising.

喀麦隆政府一直在杀害该国讲英语的少数民族并烧毁他们的房屋，试图镇压武装起义。

But it's a hard moment to try to enter our country.

但现在是尝试进入我们国家的艰难时刻。

The Trump administration is doing all kinds of things to be stricter with potential immigrants.

特朗普政府正在采取各种措施对潜在移民更加严格。

And as you'll hear this hour, some of them are keeping desperate people waiting outside the border for weeks.

正如您今天会听到的那样，其中一些人让绝望的人们在边境外等待数周。

Even if you understand that we're trying to be stricter with who's coming into the country, it can be hard to understand why we're doing it like this.

即使您了解我们正在努力对进入该国的人员更加严格，但也很难理解我们为什么要这样做。

Today on our program, I think at this point, most of us have heard about a few of the things that the President and his appointees have done to try to get control of the border.

在今天的节目中，我想我们大多数人都已经听说过总统和他的任命者为控制边境所做的一些事情。

We've heard about the family separations, we've heard about the travel ban.

我们听说过家庭分离的消息，也听说过旅行禁令的消息。

But in fact, it's a wide-ranging, coordinated effort across many agencies.

但事实上，这是许多机构之间广泛、协调的努力。

All kinds of things that have not gotten a lot of attention.

各种没有引起太多关注的事情。

What's interesting is that so much of their effort, lots of the things that they're doing, are not cracking down on people breaking the law or sneaking across the border, not targeting criminals or bad hombres.

有趣的是，他们所做的很多努力，他们正在做的很多事情，并不是打击违法者或偷偷越境的人，也不是针对罪犯或坏人。

Many of the efforts are targeted at the people who are trying their best to play by the rules and do what we ask of foreigners who want to come here.

许多努力都是针对那些尽力遵守规则并按照我们对想来这里的外国人的要求行事的人。

People trying to obey our laws, like asylum seekers showing up at our door saying, I'm in danger at home.

人们试图遵守我们的法律，比如寻求庇护者出现在我们家门口说，我在家里有危险。

Your laws allow me to apply for haven.

你们的法律允许我申请避难所。

Today we take you on a tour of the many, many things that are all happening, the ways that we're shutting our doors to outsiders.

今天，我们将带您了解正在发生的许多事情，以及我们对外人关闭大门的方式。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act One, All Together Now.

第一幕，现在就一起行动。

So to enter the United States from the south, you can go to the official border station, the port of entry, and do it legally, like the people who you heard trying to do it in that plaza in Tijuana.

因此，要从南部进入美国，您可以前往官方边境站，即入境口岸，并合法地进行，就像您听到的在蒂华纳那个广场上试图这样做的人一样。

Well, you might get to that plaza, see the line, see the wait, and pause, or maybe try to go to the border station in Brownsville or El Paso.

好吧，您可能会到达那个广场，看到队伍，看到等待，然后暂停，或者尝试前往布朗斯维尔或埃尔帕索的边境站。

Again, you might pause and decide to take your kids, and take your chances, and head out to cross the border illegally.

再一次，你可能会停下来，决定带着你的孩子，抓住机会，前往非法越境。

I was talking to a Customs and Border Protection officer, a spokesman for the union, Chris Cabrera.

我正在与海关和边境保护局官员、工会发言人克里斯·卡布雷拉交谈。

He patrols the area around the Rio Grande and he says that he picks up people like this all the time.

他在格兰德河周围地区巡逻，他说他总是遇到这样的人。

They tell him they tried the port of entry.

他们告诉他，他们尝试了入境口岸。

The line was too long.

队伍太长了。

They didn't want to wait that long.

他们不想等那么久。

And that's why a lot of them choose to come through the river, because they don't want to wait.

这就是为什么他们中的很多人选择过河来，因为他们不想等待。

Once he apprehends them, there's something new now that they go through under this administration.

一旦他逮捕了他们，他们在本届政府的领导下就会经历一些新的事情。

A new thing that's happening on the border.

边境上正在发生一件新事。

People caught crossing into the country illegally are being rounded up and sent to federal criminal court in mass hearings with dozens of people getting sentenced at the same time.

非法越境被捕的人正在被围捕，并被送往联邦刑事法院举行大规模听证会，数十人同时被判刑。

The government has done these hearings in the past, but never on the scale that's happening now.

政府过去曾举行过此类听证会，但从未达到现在的规模。

As of April, they're doing them in every district along the border, sometimes twice a day, with tens of thousands of people convicted.

截至四月，他们在边境沿线的每个地区都这样做，有时一天两次，已有数万人被定罪。

They're prosecuting a crime that didn't used to be treated like a crime.

他们正在起诉一项过去不被视为犯罪的罪行。

Before this, if you cross the border illegally, you'd most likely just get put into immigration proceedings and probably deported.

在此之前，如果您非法越境，您很可能会进入移民程序并可能被驱逐出境。

Now, you go through criminal court first, even if you came here to ask for asylum.

现在，即使你来这里寻求庇护，你也要先经过刑事法庭。

This is happening under the administration's Zero Tolerance Policy.

这是在政府的零容忍政策下发生的。

You probably heard about the part of that policy that separated children from their parents.

您可能听说过该政策中将孩子与父母分开的部分。

That part has officially ended.

这部分已经正式结束了。

But this move to prosecute border crossings as criminal offenses, this was actually the main point of the Zero Tolerance Policy.

但此举将过境行为定为刑事犯罪，这实际上是零容忍政策的要点。

Reporter Julia Preston went to McAllen, Texas, to one of the courts that's had the highest number of prosecutions since this all started to see what this looks like in practice.

记者朱莉娅·普雷斯顿前往德克萨斯州麦卡伦，来到自这一切开始以来起诉数量最多的法院之一，看看这在实践中是什么样子。

And what she discovered is what's happening now is just the first step towards much bigger things that are in the works.

她发现现在发生的事情只是朝着正在进行的更大事情迈出的第一步。

Here's Julia.

这是朱莉娅。

Picture a federal courtroom.

想象一下联邦法庭。

The defendants sit with their lawyers at one table, the prosecutors on the other side, the judge up front.

被告与律师坐在一张桌子旁，检察官坐在另一侧，法官坐在前面。

The McAllen courtroom was a stunningly different site.

麦卡伦法庭是一个截然不同的地方。

Five rows of wooden benches, usually meant for visitors, were packed with defendants, squeezed in shoulder to shoulder.

五排通常供游客使用的木凳上挤满了被告，肩并肩地挤在一起。

74 of them.

其中 74 个。

The defendants were dressed in tattered t-shirts and jeans, not prison uniforms.

被告穿着破烂的T恤和牛仔裤，而不是囚服。

Some of the men had trouble keeping their pants up when they stood because their belts were taken away when they were detained.

一些男子站立时很难把裤子提起来，因为他们的皮带在被拘留时被拿走了。

They'd been caught by the Border Patrol after they crossed the Rio Grande River.

他们跨过里奥格兰德河后被边境巡逻队抓获。

Most of them just one or two days before.

大多数是在一两天前。

Ladies and gentlemen, let me ask you please to stand and raise your right hand.

女士们先生们，请起立并举起右手。

Take an oath before the court this morning for these proceedings.

今天早上在法庭上就这些诉讼程序宣誓。

That's the sound of 74 people standing up to be sworn in when they're shackled at the ankles and chained around the waist.

这是74名脚踝被铐、腰被铁链锁住的人站起来宣誓就职的声音。

They all had one hand that was cuffed tightly to the waist chain and just one hand free.

他们都有一只手被紧紧地铐在腰链上，只有一只手是空闲的。

In another hearing I went to, there were 87 defendants.

在我参加的另一场听证会上，有 87 名被告。

In that one, the marshals had to put some of them in the jury box.

在那场比赛中，执法人员不得不将其中一些人放入陪审团席。

The defendants would all be out of there-- charged, convicted, and sentenced-- in just over two hours.

被告将在两个多小时内全部离开那里——受到指控、定罪和判刑。

It was mass justice at head-spinning speed.

这是一场以令人头晕的速度进行的大规模正义。

The magistrate judge presiding over this hearing, Scott Hacker, didn't sit in his usual place on the high bench.

主持这次听证会的治安法官斯科特·哈克(Scott Hacker)没有坐在他通常在高位法官的位置上。

Instead, he spent the whole hearing on his feet, right in front of the migrants, so he could see each one of them.

相反，他整个听证会都站在移民面前，这样他就能看到他们每一个人。

The migrants were wearing wireless headphones to hear the Spanish interpreter.

移民们戴着无线耳机来听西班牙语翻译的声音。

Judge Hacker took a few minutes to make sure everyone's headphone was working.

哈克法官花了几分钟时间来确保每个人的耳机都能正常工作。

Sir, can you hear?

先生，你能听到吗？

The gentlemen next to you.

你们旁边的先生们。

Can you hear?

你能听到吗？

The defendants awkwardly adjusted their headphones with their one free hand.

被告笨拙地用一只空着的手调整耳机。

Throughout the hearing, the security guards ran around as tech support, resetting the headphones or swapping them out for fresh ones.

在整个听证会期间，保安人员作为技术支持四处奔波，重置耳机或更换新耳机。

Judge Hacker ran the hearing like a professor, explaining things in plain language and raising an index finger in the air in big gestures to punctuate his points.

哈克法官像教授一样主持听证会，用通俗易懂的语言解释事情，并在空中举起食指，做出大手势来强调他的观点。

He addressed the migrants as sir and ma'am, and ladies and gentlemen.

他称呼移民为先生、女士、女士们、先生们。

This is your day in court.

这是你出庭的一天。

It's important that you hear and understand everything that I explain to you.

重要的是您要听到并理解我向您解释的所有内容。

I'll admit, I was surprised.

我承认，我很惊讶。

I was expecting some kind of rodeo justice.

我期待着某种牛仔竞技正义。

People herded through with no idea what was happening to them.

人们蜂拥而过，不知道发生了什么事。

But it wasn't that.

但事实并非如此。

The judge, the public defenders, even the prosecutors seemed to be working hard to ensure that all 74 defendants got some kind of basic due process.

法官、公设辩护人、甚至检察官似乎都在努力确保所有 74 名被告获得某种基本的正当程序。

Every time the judge explained something, he would go around pointing to each defendant, one by one, getting them to confirm that they understood.

每次法官解释一些事情时，他都会一一指着每个被告，让他们确认他们明白了。

Then I'll start with the person on the front row.

然后我就从前排的人开始。

[INAUDIBLE].

[听不清]。

He'll answer yes or no, then I'll point to Miss [INAUDIBLE].

他会回答“是”或“否”，然后我会指着[听不清]小姐。

She'll answer.

她会回答。

Then I'll point to Miss Perez, she'll answer.

然后我会指着佩雷斯小姐，她会回答。

When I'm finished with the first row, I'll start with the gentleman on the second row.

当我完成第一排的工作后，我将从第二排的那位先生开始。

The third row, the fourth row, and continue until I get everyone.

第三排，第四排，继续下去，直到我把所有人都搞定为止。

Have you understood the instructions?

您理解说明了吗？

Yes or no, sir.

是或否，先生。

Next.

下一个。

74 yeses.

74 是的。

Over the course of the hearing, he would go around to every person this way a total of 16 times.

在听证会过程中，他以这种方式向每个人转了总共16次。

Judge Hacker explained the crime they were accused of, illegal entry.

哈克法官解释了他们被指控的非法入境罪。

It's a federal offense, but the first time around it's a minor one.

这是一项联邦犯罪，但第一次是轻微犯罪。

A misdemeanor.

轻罪。

Do each of you understand this charge of illegal entry?

你们每个人都了解这个非法入境罪名吗？

Please answer yes or no, starting with you, sir.

请回答是或否，从你开始，先生。

Yes, sir.

是的，先生。

Julia Preston Si, senor.

朱莉娅·普雷斯顿·斯，高级。

Yes, yes, yes 74 times.

是的，是的，是的74次。

A judge I observed in another hearing had a different method.

我在另一次听证会上观察到的一位法官采用了不同的方法。

For some questions, he had all the defendants answer in unison, which sounded like this.

有些问题，他让所有被告人齐声回答，听起来是这样的。

Do each of you understand your right to an attorney?

你们每个人都了解自己聘请律师的权利吗？

The sheer amount of paperwork that went into that hearing was immense.

听证会所需的文书工作量巨大。

The documents for each person had to have the right name with correct spelling, the right country they were from, the right place and date where they were apprehended.

每个人的文件必须有正确的姓名和拼写、他们来自正确的国家、他们被逮捕的正确地点和日期。

The right details about how they crossed the river, whether they were on a raft, or a boat, or they swam, or they waded.

关于他们如何过河的正确细节，无论他们是在木筏上还是在船上，或者他们游泳还是涉水。

I found out later that Customs and Border Protection has an office nearby where agents, and lawyers, and paralegals work through the night to get all those piles of documents ready by dawn on the morning of the hearing.

后来我发现海关和边境保护局在附近设有一个办公室，特工、律师和律师助理通宵工作，以便在听证会当天早上黎明前准备好所有成堆的文件。

The Border Patrol wasn't happy about this use of their agents.

边境巡逻队对他们使用特工的做法并不满意。

Officials told me they would much rather have the agents out on the front line patrolling the border.

官员告诉我，他们更愿意让特工在边境前线巡逻。

The judge carefully explained their right to a trial and the possible consequences of pleading guilty-- fines, jail time, deportation.

法官仔细地解释了他们接受审判的权利以及认罪可能产生的后果——罚款、监禁、驱逐出境。

They did have the option of pleading not guilty and going to trial, but they still wouldn't stand a chance of winning because, for most of them, the border patrol had caught them near the Rio Grande.

他们确实可以选择不认罪并接受审判，但他们仍然没有获胜的机会，因为对他们中的大多数人来说，边境巡逻队在格兰德河附近抓住了他们。

They had admitted when and where they crossed the river, so there really wasn't much room for argument.

他们已经承认了何时何地过河，实在没有多少争论的余地。

They'd been caught in the act.

他们当场被捕。

The federal public defenders, all 18 of them in the McAllen office, had come to the courtroom in the hours before the hearing to meet with each defendant and basically prepare them to plead guilty.

麦卡伦办公室的 18 名联邦公设辩护律师在听证会前几个小时来到法庭，与每位被告会面，基本上为他们认罪做好了准备。

Most of those meetings lasted just a few minutes, then everyone declared their plea.

大多数会议只持续几分钟，然后每个人都宣布自己的请求。

Mr. Santos, they're saying your illegal entry occurred on the 19th of this month.

桑托斯先生，他们说您的非法入境发生在本月 19 日。

How do you plead?

你如何恳求？

Guilty or not guilty.

有罪或无罪。

Guilty.

有罪的。

Judge Mr. Morales, they're saying your illegal entry occurred on the 19th of this month.

法官莫拉莱斯先生，他们说你的非法入境发生在本月 19 日。

74 guilty pleas.

74 人认罪。

Even when you know it's coming, it's a somber thing to see.

即使你知道它即将到来，这也是一件令人沮丧的事情。

A group of people I wondered about during this hearing were the migrants who wanted to seek asylum.

在这次听证会上我想知道的一群人是想要寻求庇护的移民。

Because even with a criminal conviction, they can still apply for asylum, but it wasn't clear the migrants understood that.

因为即使被定罪，他们仍然可以申请庇护，但不清楚移民是否理解这一点。

Before sentencing, a man from Nicaragua stood up, worried and apologetic.

在宣判前，一名来自尼加拉瓜的男子站了起来，既担心又抱歉。

He told the judge he'd come to the US to apply for political asylum.

他告诉法官他来美国是为了申请政治庇护。

He'd brought evidence of his persecution.

他带来了迫害的证据。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Julia Preston If he took a guilty plea, he asked, would he be deported right away and never get a chance at asylum?

[西班牙语]朱莉娅·普雷斯顿（Julia Preston）问道，如果他认罪，他会立即被驱逐出境并且永远没有获得庇护的机会吗？

Judge Hacker thought he would get a chance, but he couldn't say for certain.

哈克法官认为他会有机会，但他不能肯定。

He's not an immigration judge.

他不是移民法官。

The way it works is that, after the hearing, the man will be transferred into detention in the immigration system, a different system, and there, he'll have to insist to the officers that he wants to pursue his asylum claims.

其运作方式是，听证会结束后，该男子将被转移到移民系统（一个不同的系统）中拘留，在那里，他必须向官员坚持他想寻求庇护申请。

A lot of people might not figure that out.

很多人可能想不通。

For many asylum seekers, going first to criminal court was very confusing.

对于许多寻求庇护者来说，首先去刑事法庭非常令人困惑。

Then it was time for the sentences.

然后是宣判时间。

Often in federal court, this takes days or weeks.

在联邦法院，这通常需要几天或几周的时间。

But here, the judge didn't skip a beat.

但在这里，法官并没有跳过任何一步。

The sentences came right away.

判决马上就出来了。

10 days, 20 days for a handful of cases.

10天，少数情况20天。

People who had some kind of record-- who'd been convicted of illegal entry before, or had drug or domestic violence convictions, traffic violations-- the longest sentence for that group was 100 days.

那些有某种记录的人——以前曾因非法入境被定罪，或者曾因毒品或家庭暴力、交通违规被定罪——该群体的最长刑期是100天。

Everyone else, though-- the vast majority in this courtroom-- had no criminal record in the US and this was their first illegal entry offense.

然而，其他人——法庭上的绝大多数人——在美国没有犯罪记录，这是他们第一次非法入境。

All of those people were given the same sentence, time served.

所有这些人都被判了同样的刑期，服刑期满。

In other words, the time they'd already spent in detention, which, for most of them, was less than two days.

换句话说，他们已经被拘留的时间，对于他们中的大多数人来说，还不到两天。

Two days.

两天。

All of this work to deter illegal crossings, and yet most everyone walked out of the court that day with basically no punishment.

所有这些都是为了阻止非法越境，但那天大多数人都走出了法庭，基本上没有受到任何惩罚。

Leaving the courtroom, I had a lot of questions.

离开法庭时，我有很多问题。

When Attorney General Jeff Sessions talks about this new policy of prosecuting everyone who crosses the border illegally, he says its purpose is to deter people from making those crossings.

当司法部长杰夫·塞申斯谈到这项起诉所有非法越境者的新政策时，他说其目的是阻止人们越境。

But how is two days of detention any kind of deterrent?

但两天的拘留有什么威慑力呢？

It didn't make sense.

这没有道理。

Especially when you consider the massive amount of resources that go into these hearings.

尤其是当你考虑到这些听证会需要投入大量资源时。

The border patrol agents writing up the charges, the paralegals, the court clerks, the prosecutors checking criminal backgrounds, and figuring out who they should recommend for extra jail time.

边境巡逻人员撰写指控，律师助理、法院书记员、检察官检查犯罪背景，并确定应该推荐谁加刑。

The Justice Department added eight new prosecutors in southern Texas this summer for these cases.

今年夏天，司法部在德克萨斯州南部增加了八名新检察官来处理这些案件。

18 public defenders, the marshals and security guards, getting dozens of shackled people in and out of the courthouse.

18 名公设辩护人、法警和保安，将数十名戴着手铐的人送进送出法院。

The buses and vans to get them there.

巴士和面包车送他们去那里。

And these misdemeanor cases are sapping away the energy and time of everyone for the other business of the court, which is prosecuting more serious crimes, including narcotics, money laundering, trafficking, and weapons offenses.

这些轻罪案件正在消耗法院其他业务的每个人的精力和时间，法院正在起诉更严重的犯罪行为，包括毒品、洗钱、贩运和武器犯罪。

I really didn't know what to make of it all until I had a conversation with Ryan Patrick.

在我与瑞安·帕特里克交谈之前，我真的不知道该怎么理解这一切。

He's the head prosecutor of the federal district that McAllen is part of, the Southern District of Texas.

他是麦卡伦所属联邦区德克萨斯州南区的首席检察官。

And he told me something I hadn't heard from the attorney general or President Trump.

他告诉了我一些我没有从司法部长或特朗普总统那里听到的事情。

He told me these misdemeanor prosecutions are just phase one of a larger strategy by the Justice Department.

他告诉我，这些轻罪起诉只是司法部更大战略的第一阶段。

So some of the way these cases are handled could very well change as our resources, on our side, change, as well.

因此，随着我们这边的资源发生变化，处理这些案件的一些方式很可能会发生变化。

When you say it could very well change, you mean there could be more felony cases?

当你说情况很可能发生变化时，你的意思是可能会有更多重罪案件？

There could be.

可能有。

Yes, ma'am.

是的，女士。

Julia Preston I see.

朱莉娅·普雷斯顿 我明白了。

Is that the goal, or is that where you're trying to go with this?

这是你的目标吗？或者说这就是你想要实现的目标吗？

As appropriate, and for cases that we can prove, yes, we will file more felony cases.

在适当的情况下，对于我们可以证明的案件，我们将提起更多重罪案件。

With illegal entry, the first offense is a misdemeanor.

对于非法入境，第一次犯罪属于轻罪。

But if somebody is caught crossing illegally a second time, they can be prosecuted for a felony and go to prison for up to two years.

但如果有人第二次非法越境被发现，他们可能会被指控犯有重罪，并被判处最高两年的监禁。

A felony conviction makes it very difficult for a person ever to get a visa to enter the United States legally, much less get a green card or become a citizen.

重罪定罪使得一个人很难获得合法进入美国的签证，更不用说获得绿卡或成为公民了。

The government's ramping up to prosecute more people.

政府正在加大力度起诉更多人。

Border patrol is hiring.

边境巡逻队正在招聘。

So are the US Marshals.

美国法警也是如此。

In May, 32% of people caught crossing the southwest border were sent to be prosecuted.

5月，32%的越过西南边境被抓的人被送去起诉。

A month later, it was 46% of them.

一个月后，这一数字达到了 46%。

Administration officials told me the goal is 100%.

政府官员告诉我，目标是 100%。

Literally zero tolerance for illegal crossings.

对非法越境实行零容忍。

This could mean prosecuting something like 200,000 people a year for the misdemeanor offense.

这可能意味着每年约有 20 万人因轻罪被起诉。

Before long, it could mean tens of thousands of newly convicted felons in federal prison.

不久之后，这可能意味着联邦监狱将有数万名新被定罪的重罪犯。

President Trump and the attorney general have long said that people who cross the border illegally are just criminals.

特朗普总统和司法部长长期以来一直表示，非法越境的人只是罪犯。

Now, every day, more and more of them are becoming exactly that.

现在，每天都有越来越多的人变成这样。

Julia Preston.

朱莉娅·普雷斯顿。

She's a contributing writer to The Marshall Project.

她是马歇尔计划的特约作家。

You can read a print version of her story on The Marshall Project's website, marshallproject.org.

您可以在马歇尔计划网站 marshallproject.org 上阅读她的故事的印刷版本。

Act Two, The Kitchen Sink.

第二幕，厨房水槽。

So the administration's immigration policy-- this has been widely reported-- is run from the office of White House senior advisor, Stephen Miller.

因此，政府的移民政策——这已被广泛报道——是由白宫高级顾问斯蒂芬·米勒的办公室制定的。

He's 33 years old, brings a detailed knowledge of immigration issues and regulations to the task, has installed like-minded people at the various agencies that deal with immigration.

他今年 33 岁，对移民问题和法规有着详细的了解，并在处理移民问题的各个机构中安插了志同道合的人。

We requested sit-down interviews with him, and with numerous other administration officials throughout the government.

我们要求对他以及整个政府的许多其他政府官员进行面对面采访。

They all turned us down.

他们都拒绝了我们。

But I'm going to take this act and try to give you a sense of the sweep of the changes that they put into place.

但我将采取这一行动，并尝试让您了解他们所实施的全面变革。

The variety, and ingenuity, and comprehensiveness of them.

它们的多样性、独创性和全面性。

Here we go.

开始了。

The administration has brought back workplace raids at a level that hasn't been done for years, rounding up hundreds of undocumented people at a time.

政府重新对工作场所进行了多年来未曾有过的突击搜查，一次围捕了数百名无证人员。

The State Department and Department of Homeland Security have cracked down on recalcitrant countries.

美国国务院和国土安全部对顽抗的国家进行了打击。

Yes, that is an official designation that we give to some countries.

是的，这是我们给予某些国家的官方指定。

Recalcitrant.

桀骜不驯。

These are countries that do not accept deportees that we want to send them.

这些国家不接受我们想要遣送的被驱逐者。

There were 20 countries like that just after the President took office.

总统刚上任后，类似的国家就有20个。

His administration has twisted arms, imposed sanctions, and convinced more than half of those countries to take people back, clearing the way for 15,000 more people to be deported.

他的政府施加压力，实施制裁，并说服其中一半以上的国家将人遣返回国，为另外 15,000 人被驱逐出境扫清了道路。

The Department of Homeland Security has set up a de-naturalization task force to go after people who lied on their citizenship applications, and literally strip away their citizenship.

美国国土安全部成立了一个取消入籍特别工作组，专门追查那些在公民身份申请中撒谎的人，并从字面上剥夺他们的公民身份。

The attorney general has changed the rules so that if you're fleeing gang violence or domestic violence, even if immigration agents believe that your life is in danger, that's not grounds for asylum in the United States.

总检察长改变了规则，这样，如果你逃离帮派暴力或家庭暴力，即使移民代理认为你的生命处于危险之中，这也不能成为在美国寻求庇护的理由。

This affects a lot of people.

这影响了很多人。

The Attorney General explained it this way--

总检察长是这样解释的——

Asylum is not generally for those who suffered from a private act of violence or if a gang is in the neighborhood.

庇护通常不适用于那些遭受私人暴力行为或附近有帮派的人。

It's always from members of groups who are persecuted by the state.

它总是来自受国家迫害的群体成员。

Asylum was never meant to solve all problems, even serious problems, that people face every day all over the world.

庇护从来不是为了解决世界各地人们每天面临的所有问题，甚至是严重的问题。

And then there's a whole set of policies the Trump administration has put into place that affects all of the people who are trying to lawfully enter the United States.

特朗普政府制定了一整套政策，影响所有试图合法进入美国的人。

Filling out forms, sending in information, waiting their turns.

填写表格，发送信息，等待轮到。

They are all coming under increased scrutiny.

他们都受到更严格的审查。

The forms are much longer.

表格要长得多。

Applicants are called in to be interviewed about things they were never called in for before.

申请人被要求接受面试，询问他们以前从未被要求面试的事情。

And attorneys who help people through this process will tell you that they're getting a ton of what they call RFE's, Requests for Evidence, for perfectly ordinary things that, in the past, would have been routine.

帮助人们完成这一过程的律师会告诉你，他们收到了大量他们所谓的 RFE，即“证据请求”，这些内容都是非常普通的事情，而在过去，这些事情是司空见惯的。

Here's an example.

这是一个例子。

Immigration attorney Marisol Perez works at a firm that filed a visa request on behalf of their client, the Archdiocese of San Antonio, which is trying to hire a priest from another country.

移民律师马里索尔·佩雷斯 (Marisol Perez) 在一家代表其客户圣安东尼奥大主教管区提出签证申请的公司工作，该公司正试图从另一个国家聘请一名牧师。

They were surprised when they got an RFE from the government-- I've seen this-- asking them to prove that, in fact, the archdiocese really exists as a functioning business.

当他们收到政府发来的 RFE 时，他们感到很惊讶——我见过这个——要求他们证明，事实上，总教区确实作为一个正常运作的企业存在。

It was shocking to us.

这让我们感到震惊。

This is the second-largest archdiocese-- Catholic archdiocese-- in the country.

这是该国第二大总教区——天主教总教区。

Certainly they're in business.

当然，他们是在做生意。

Certainly they're flourishing.

当然，它们正在蓬勃发展。

Certainly they are a legitimate operating business.

当然，他们是合法经营的企业。

Do you think it was just a bureaucratic snafu?

你认为这只是官僚主义的混乱吗？

If I chalked it up to that, there are lots of bureaucratic snafus.

如果我将其归结为这一点，那就存在很多官僚主义混乱。

It didn't take much work for me to collect some.

我没花太多功夫就收集到了一些。

There was the musician who was told that the two Grammys he won and the three that he was nominated for, but did not win, were not sufficient evidence of his musical talent, and that more proof would be required before he could reside in the United States.

有一位音乐家被告知，他赢得的两项格莱美奖和他获得提名但没有获奖的三项格莱美奖，并不能充分证明他的音乐天赋，在他可以居住在美国之前，还需要更多的证据。

There was the RFE asking a British citizen to have her British birth certificate translated into English, please.

RFE 要求一位英国公民将她的英国出生证明翻译成英文。

There was the RFE where the government argued that an architect didn't qualify for the visa he wanted because you don't need a specialized degree to be an architect.

在 RFE 中，政府辩称建筑师没有资格获得他想要的签证，因为成为建筑师不需要专业学位。

Even though, of course, you do need a specialized degree.

当然，尽管如此，您确实需要专业学位。

According to one study, in the last quarter of 2017 alone, the percentage of work visas getting RFE's tripled.

一项研究表明，仅在 2017 年最后一个季度，获得 RFE 的工作签证比例就增加了两倍。

3/4 of them got RFE's.

其中 3/4 收到了 RFE。

The most mundane ones are just asking for documents that you've already sent.

最普通的只是要求您提供已发送的文件。

Jacqueline Watson is an immigration attorney in Austin.

杰奎琳·沃森 (Jacqueline Watson) 是奥斯汀的一名移民律师。

She says she's now seeing this in the vast majority of cases she files.

她说她现在在她提交的绝大多数案件中都看到了这一点。

RFE's asking for stuff she's already submitted.

RFE 要求提供她已经提交的资料。

If it happens in one case, you can say, OK, that was a mistake.

如果在某种情况下发生这种情况，你可以说，好吧，那是一个错误。

If it happens in almost every case you file, there's something wrong.

如果您提交的几乎所有案例都发生这种情况，则说明有问题。

She and other immigration attorneys see it as a deliberate strategy to gum up the works, slow the process, discourage people from applying, give out fewer visas.

她和其他移民律师认为这是一种故意的策略，目的是搞砸工作、减缓进程、阻止人们申请、减少发放签证。

And she said when you get an RFE, it also means you can't get work permits or travel permits that you would otherwise be able to get while applying.

她说，当你收到 RFE 时，这也意味着你无法获得工作许可证或旅行许可证，而你本来可以在申请时获得这些许可证。

A spokesman for the US citizenship and Immigration Services, USCIS emailed me a statement saying that assertions that they are trying to slow the immigration process are, quote, "inaccurate" and, in fact, their reforms are intended to do the opposite.

美国公民及移民服务局的一位发言人通过电子邮件给我发了一份声明，称他们试图减缓移民进程的说法是“不准确的”，事实上，他们的改革旨在起到相反的作用。

Quote, "reduce incomplete or frivolous filings, thus speeding up the immigration process for many applicants and petitioners, allowing them to receive a decision faster."

引用，“减少不完整或无聊的申请，从而加快许多申请人和请愿人的移民流程，使他们能够更快地收到决定。”

Attorneys say visas and green cards are now being turned down all the time for reasons that they never saw before.

律师表示，签证和绿卡现在总是因为他们以前从未见过的原因而被拒绝。

One big one that I was told comes up a lot is applications being rejected because the government thinks that you'll become a burden on the public.

有人告诉我，经常出现的一个大问题是申请被拒绝，因为政府认为你会成为公众的负担。

And the attorneys I spoke with sounded truly bewildered by the way that they are enforcing this.

与我交谈过的律师听起来确实对他们执行这一规定的方式感到困惑。

For example, Marisol Perez has a client who's 11 years old, born in Mexico.

例如，Marisol Perez 有一位 11 岁的客户，出生于墨西哥。

His mom married an American and wanted to bring him to the United States, and the green card application had everything the government has asked for in the past.

他的妈妈嫁给了一个美国人，想把他带到美国，而绿卡申请已经满足了政府过去要求的一切。

Father made enough money, father was working, showed his tax returns.

父亲赚了足够的钱，父亲在工作，出示了他的纳税申报表。

But the kid was turned down because the government said that he would become a public charge.

但这个孩子被拒绝了，因为政府说他将成为公共负担。

So we inquire and ask, we're not sure why this person has been denied.

所以我们询问又询问，我们不知道为什么这个人被拒绝了。

Could you provide more information?

您能否提供更多信息？

Still no explanation.

还是没有解释。

All this has led Jacqueline Watson, and a lot of immigration attorneys, to conclude that, at this point--

所有这一切让杰奎琳·沃森和许多移民律师得出这样的结论：

The Department of Homeland Security is always looking for new and creative ways to fuck our clients.

国土安全部一直在寻找新的、有创意的方式来操我们的客户。

There's a brand new way that Jacqueline's worried about.

杰奎琳担心的是一种全新的方式。

You know those Requests for Evidence that lawyers complained about?

您知道律师抱怨的那些“索取证据”吗？

USCIS has a new rule.

美国移民局有新规定。

If they decide there isn't enough evidence to support a claim, as of this month, they don't need to issue a Request for Evidence at all.

如果他们认为没有足够的证据来支持索赔，从本月开始，他们根本不需要发出证据请求。

They could simply turn down the application.

他们可以简单地拒绝该申请。

The head of USCIS, Francis Cissna, is quoted in the press release on this.

新闻稿中引用了美国移民局局长弗朗西斯·西斯纳的话说。

He says, quote, "For too long, our immigration system has been bogged down with frivolous or meritless claims that slow down processing for everyone." He said, "Doing this would discourage people from gaming the system."

他引用他的话说：“长期以来，我们的移民系统陷入了无聊或毫无根据的索赔的泥潭，这减慢了每个人的处理速度。”他说：“这样做会阻止人们玩弄系统。”

This is how all this looks to people on his side of things, the people calling for these changes and making these changes in our immigration system.

这就是支持他的人、呼吁这些改变并在我们的移民制度中做出这些改变的人们的看法。

They see every part of this so totally differently from the way the immigration attorneys do.

他们对这件事的每一个部分的看法都与移民律师的方式完全不同。

From their point of view, the entire immigration system is a mess, overloaded with false claims and people trying to cheat their way into the United States.

在他们看来，整个移民系统一团糟，充斥着虚假申报和试图欺骗进入美国的人。

When the Attorney General gives speeches, he talks about nearly 100,000 people a year seeking asylum.

当司法部长发表演讲时，他谈到每年有近 10 万人寻求庇护。

Seeking asylum because they know if you say the word asylum, we'll set you free in the United States till the judge can see your case years from now.

寻求庇护，因为他们知道如果你说“庇护”这个词，我们就会让你在美国获得自由，直到几年后法官才能审理你的案件。

Lots of them never show up for their day in court.

他们中的许多人从未出庭。

The system is being gamed.

系统正在被玩弄。

There's no doubt about it.

毫无疑问。

Mark Krikorian is the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that calls for stricter controls on immigration.

马克·克里科里安（Mark Krikorian）是华盛顿智库移民研究中心的执行主任，该中心呼吁对移民实行更严格的控制。

He makes the case that the United States would be better off if we would just cut the number of people who immigrate here each year to less than half of what it is now.

他认为，如果我们将每年移民到美国的人数减少到现在的一半以下，美国的情况将会变得更好。

He sums it up this way.

他是这样总结的。

He doesn't see a need for a huge, thriving country like ours, with hundreds of millions of people, to import any workers from overseas.

他认为像我们这样一个庞大、繁荣、拥有数亿人口的国家没有必要从海外引进任何工人。

So--

所以——

Which categories of people have such a compelling case to be admitted that we let them in?

哪些类别的人有如此令人信服的理由让我们让他们进来？

That would be husbands, wives, and little kids of American citizens, genuine Einsteins-- humanity has not produced that many Einsteins a year-- and humanitarian immigration to the extent that people cannot stay where they are for a second longer.

那将是美国公民的丈夫、妻子和小孩，真正的爱因斯坦——人类每年并没有产生那么多爱因斯坦——以及人道主义移民，以至于人们不能再在原地停留一秒钟。

You add all that up, that's maybe 400,000 people a year, 350,000.

你把所有这些加起来，每年可能有 400,000 人，350,000 人。

It's still a lot of people, but it's fewer than there are now.

人还是很多，但是比现在少了。

Right now, it's about a million legal immigrants in a year.

目前，每年大约有一百万合法移民。

Of course, you could quibble with his numbers.

当然，你可以对他的数字提出质疑。

Somebody else might argue that there are over a million people in the category, "people who cannot stay where they are for a second longer."

其他人可能会说，有超过一百万人属于“无法在原地停留一秒钟的人”这一类别。

But given this vision that we don't need outsiders, and that tons of people are trying to cheat and game their way into the country, when I told Krikorian what the immigration attorneys had told me about all the ways that the Trump administration seemed to be slowing things down and finding any excuse to say no to their clients, he was utterly unimpressed.

但考虑到我们不需要外来者，以及大量的人试图通过欺骗和游戏进入这个国家，当我告诉克里科里安移民律师告诉我的特朗普政府似乎在放慢速度并寻找任何借口对他们的客户说不的所有方式时，他完全不为所动。

He appreciated the tighter rules and extra scrutiny that have come down this last year and a half.

他对过去一年半以来出台的更严格的规则和额外的审查表示赞赏。

It's definitely called for.

这绝对是需要的。

It's long overdue.

已经姗姗来迟了。

Now, there's always going to be, you know, bureaucratic absurdities.

现在，你知道，官僚主义的荒谬总是会存在。

Does the Archdiocese of San Antonio really exist?

圣安东尼奥总教区真的存在吗？

I mean, this is the kind of thing that any large organization is going to generate sometimes.

我的意思是，这是任何大型组织有时都会发生的事情。

But the strict scrutiny of applications is long, long overdue.

但对申请的严格审查早就该进行了。

More change is coming.

更多的变化即将到来。

One of the biggest ideas that's been floated publicly by the White House Office of Management and Budget is a proposal that you won't be able to get legal residency, you won't be able to get a green card or citizenship, if you or your kids have ever gotten food stamps or other public benefits.

白宫管理和预算办公室公开提出的最大想法之一是，如果您或您的孩子曾经获得过食品券或其他公共福利，您将无法获得合法居住权，您将无法获得绿卡或公民身份。

Even if your kids are citizens.

即使你的孩子是公民。

If this went through, it would become impossible for millions of people to ever get legal status in this country.

如果这种情况发生，数百万人将不可能在这个国家获得合法身份。

They become eligible for deportation.

他们有资格被驱逐出境。

It's unclear, at this point, if the administration is going to go through with that proposal.

目前尚不清楚政府是否会批准该提议。

Coming up, food fight between the President's immigration staffers, the State Department, the Office of Management and Budget, and the most powerful military the world has ever known.

即将到来的是，总统的移民工作人员、国务院、管理和预算办公室以及世界上最强大的军队之间的粮食斗争。

Guess who wins?

猜猜谁赢了？

That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

In today's program, "Let Me Count the Ways," we're trying to document the many, many ways that the Trump administration is changing immigration enforcement across many agencies, including some things that have not gotten a lot of attention.

在今天的节目“让我数一数方法”中，我们试图记录特朗普政府在许多机构改变移民执法的许多方法，包括一些尚未引起太多关注的事情。

We've arrived at Act Three of our show.

我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。

Act Three, The Terminators.

第三幕，终结者。

So the people directing immigration policy for the White House generally don't talk much to the press.

因此，白宫负责移民政策的人一般不会对媒体发表太多言论。

They do the work behind the scenes and out of sight from the public.

他们在幕后进行工作，远离公众视线。

But some emails were released as part of a lawsuit, and they give us the most vivid picture we have gotten of these people at work, of them enacting the project that is at the heart of this administration.

但一些电子邮件是作为诉讼的一部分而发布的，它们向我们展示了这些人在工作中最生动的画面，其中包括他们制定了本届政府的核心项目。

On immigration, probably more than anything, the President's agenda is a radical departure from any Republican or Democrat who's ever held the office.

在移民问题上，也许最重要的是，总统的议程与任何曾任总统的共和党或民主党人都截然不同。

He complains frequently about the bureaucracy, the deep state trying to thwart him.

他经常抱怨官僚机构和试图阻挠他的深层政府。

And in these emails, you see the battle play out between the political appointees and the bureaucracy.

在这些电子邮件中，你可以看到政治任命者和官僚机构之间​​的斗争。

The emails show them trying to roll back one particular part of immigration policy, a part that could result in half a million people having to leave the United States.

这些电子邮件显示，他们试图取消移民政策的某一特定部分，该部分可能导致 50 万人不得不离开美国。

In these emails, the appointee's tone is almost uniformly polite, professional.

在这些电子邮件中，被任命者的语气几乎一致是礼貌、专业的。

The career civil servants ask to handle things so differently than they have in the past.

职业公务员要求以与过去不同的方式处理事情。

They push back respectfully in various ways.

他们以各种方式恭敬地予以反击。

One of our producers, Nadia Reiman, read all the emails, which took days, and put this together.

我们的制作人之一纳迪亚·雷曼 (Nadia Reiman) 花了几天时间阅读了所有电子邮件，并将其放在一起。

The emails were about this thing called TPS, Temporary Protected Status.

这些电子邮件是关于 TPS（临时保护状态）的。

It's a humanitarian program, and it works like this.

这是一个人道主义计划，它是这样运作的。

If you're in the US and some sort of disaster hits your home country-- an earthquake or hurricane, or a war breaks out-- the Secretary of Homeland Security can grant temporary protected status, which means, we get it.

如果您在美国，并且某种灾难袭击您的祖国（地震或飓风，或者爆发战争），国土安全部部长可以授予临时保护身份，这意味着我们明白了。

You can't go back to your country right now.

你现在不能回你的国家。

So stick around for 18 months or so.

所以坚持18个月左右。

You can get a work permit, live here, settle for a bit until things clear up at home.

你可以获得工作许可证，住在这里，安顿一会儿，直到家里的事情好起来。

The President's allies don't like TPS for a couple of reasons.

总统的盟友不喜欢 TPS 有几个原因。

First, it's not just for people who are here legally.

首先，这不仅仅适用于合法居留的人。

If you're here illegally when disaster hits your home country, congrats, you get legal status, too.

如果您的祖国遭受灾难时您非法居留，那么恭喜您，您也获得了合法身份。

Also, even though it's called temporary, it can get renewed over and over and over again.

此外，即使它被称为临时的，它也可以一次又一次地更新。

Honduras, for example, got hit by a hurricane in 1998, and it still has TPS almost 20 years later.

例如，洪都拉斯在 1998 年遭受飓风袭击，近 20 年后仍然拥有 TPS。

And these renewals, they're up to the Department of Homeland Security.

这些更新由国土安全部决定。

Every year, they're supposed to gather information to try to figure out, has the country recovered?

每年，他们都应该收集信息，试图弄清楚这个国家是否已经复苏？

Is it safe for people to return home or not?

人们回家安全吗？

If it is, they can end TPS for that country, but it's up to DHS to decide.

如果是，他们可以终止该国家/地区的 TPS，但这由国土安全部决定。

So for Trump political appointees to get rid of TPS for a country, what they have to do is prove that the country has recovered from whatever crisis it once had.

因此，对于特朗普的政治任命者来说，要为一个国家摆脱 TPS，他们要做的就是证明这个国家已经从曾经的危机中恢复过来。

They have to prove it's safe for people to go home.

他们必须证明人们可以安全回家。

The first country they try it with is Haiti.

他们尝试的第一个国家是海地。

Haiti got TPS eight years ago when that earthquake hit in 2010.

海地八年前在 2010 年发生地震时获得了 TPS。

In the first months of the Trump administration, the bureaucracy put together a report that said, basically, what they'd said in the past.

在特朗普政府的头几个月里，官僚机构整理了一份报告，基本上说了他们过去说过的话。

Things are still bad in Haiti.

海地的情况仍然很糟糕。

Let's renew TPS.

让我们更新 TPS。

18 more months please.

请再等18个月。

This is when a Trump appointee named Kathy Nuebel Kovarik enters the scene.

这时，特朗普任命的凯西·努贝尔·科瓦里克 (Kathy Nuebel Kovarik) 登场。

Before this job, she did immigration policy for Senator Chuck Grassley, an anti-immigration hardliner who then urged the President to hire her, on Twitter.

在这份工作之前，她为反移民强硬派参议员查克·格拉斯利(Chuck Grassley)制定移民政策，后者随后在推特上敦促总统雇用她。

So in April 2017, she sends out an email saying, basically, can anyone hustle up info on how Haiti's recovered from the earthquake?

因此，在 2017 年 4 月，她发出了一封电子邮件，基本上说，有人能提供有关海地如何从地震中恢复过来的信息吗？

She asked for, quote, "rebuilding stories, work of nonprofits, how the US is helping in certain industries.

她要求“重建故事、非营利组织的工作、美国如何在某些行业提供帮助。

We need more than Haiti is really horror stories." End quote.

我们需要的不仅仅是海地的恐怖故事。”结束报价。

A researcher chimes in, unhelpfully.

一名研究人员插话，但无济于事。

Quote, "Unfortunately, conditions in Haiti remain difficult.

引用：“不幸的是，海地的情况仍然困难。

Please see below." And he goes on to share five bullet points.

请看下面。”他接着分享了五个要点。

The first one, Haiti has not fully recovered from the 2010 earthquake.

第一，海地尚未从2010年地震中完全恢复。

He also mentions hurricanes that have hit the island, large scale flooding, near-famine conditions, double-digit inflation.

他还提到了袭击该岛的飓风、大规模洪水、近乎饥荒的状况、两位数的通货膨胀。

He gets a polite, "Thank you.

他礼貌地说：“谢谢。”

Very useful," from his boss.

非常有用，”他的老板说。

Before long, he gets asked for more info.

不久之后，有人要求他提供更多信息。

Can you grab more numbers on GDP growth?

你能获取更多有关 GDP 增长的数据吗？

You said it was not so good, but can you look at longer-term trends?

你说不太好，但是你能看一下更长期的趋势吗？

What about some stuff about how they're rebuilding the presidential palace?

关于他们如何重建总统府的一些事情怎么样？

Can you try that?

你能尝试一下吗？

If there's much of a fight about any of this, it's not on email.

如果说有任何关于此事的争论，那也不是通过电子邮件。

Eventually, the staffers find some new numbers for their bosses.

最终，员工们为他们的老板找到了一些新号码。

They know that economic growth is small, but it's there; that 98% of camps for earthquake survivors are now closed; that food shortages in the country are because of hurricanes and bad infrastructure, not necessarily related to the earthquake.

他们知道经济增长很小，但它就在那里； 98%的地震幸存者营地现已关闭；该国的粮食短缺是由于飓风和基础设施落后造成的，与地震不一定有关。

In November, it's officially announced.

11月，正式宣布。

Haitians lose their protected status.

海地人失去了受保护的地位。

One country down, onto the next.

一个国家倒下，进入下一个国家。

Next up is Sudan.

接下来是苏丹。

And here is where this becomes a full-blown smackdown between three federal agencies-- Homeland Security, State Department, and the Department of Defense.

这就是三个联邦机构——国土安全部、国务院和国防部——之间的全面对峙。

Sudan's had TPS since 1997 because of the civil war there.

由于苏丹内战，苏丹自 1997 年起就实行了 TPS。

There's still widespread fighting in parts of the country.

该国部分地区仍然存在广泛的战斗。

So when its TPS status comes up for review, a couple of staffers put together a draft of the country conditions, describing what it's like there, and it's pretty grim.

因此，当其 TPS 状态接受审查时，几位工作人员整理了一份国家条件草案，描述了那里的情况，情况非常严峻。

Page three says it's, quote, "unsafe for individuals to return to Sudan." On page four it says, quote, "Termination does not appear to be warranted," meaning Sudan's status should not be terminated.

第三版称，“个人返回苏丹是不安全的”。第四页引用了“终止似乎没有理由”，这意味着苏丹的地位不应被终止。

People should be allowed to stay in the US.

人们应该被允许留在美国。

But then, on page five, when we get to the final recommendation, it says exactly the opposite.

但是，在第五页，当我们提出最终建议时，它的说法恰恰相反。

Quote, "USCIS recommends termination."

引用：“美国移民局建议终止。”

The higher-ups noticed this discrepancy and realized how it might look.

高层注意到了这种差异，并意识到它可能会是什么样子。

Frank Cissna, the guy who's been tapped to be the new director of USCIS, another Trump political appointee, he reads the country report for Sudan and writes, quote, "The memo reads like one person who strongly supports extending TPS wrote everything up to the recommendations section, and then someone who opposes extensions snuck up behind the first guy, clubbed him over the head, pushed his senseless body out of the way, and finished the memo.

被任命为美国公民及移民服务局新任局长的弗兰克·西斯纳（Frank Cissna）是特朗普的另一位政治任命者，他阅读了苏丹的国家报告并写道，“这份备忘录读起来就像是一个强烈支持延长 TPS 的人把所有内容都写到了建议部分，然后一个反对延期的人偷偷地走到第一个人身后，用棍子打他的头，把他毫无知觉的身体推开，然后完成了这份备忘录。

Am I missing something?" End quote.

我是不是错过了什么？”结束报价。

Right away, political appointee Kathy Nuebel Kovarik is like, sorry about that.

政治任命者凯西·努贝尔·科瓦里克立即表示，对此感到抱歉。

She responds, quote, "Well, I'll take the blame for this," and sends it to someone on her team to fix, a career civil servant named Brandon Prelogar.

她回应说，“好吧，我会为此承担责任”，并将其发送给她团队中的一个人来解决，他是一位名叫布兰登·普雷洛加的职业公务员。

Prelogar didn't respond to my request for an interview.

Prelogar 没有回应我的采访请求。

The administration officials in these emails didn't either.

这些电子邮件中的政府官员也没有这样做。

But I can tell you a few things about him.

但我可以告诉你一些关于他的事情。

He's the Chief for international and humanitarian affairs at USCIS.

他是美国移民局国际和人道主义事务主管。

He's been working for the Department of Homeland Security since 2007 through both Bush and Obama, which depending on how you look at it, makes him either an operative for the deep state trying to thwart our President at every turn, or a typical DC civil servant trying to do his job.

自 2007 年以来，他一直在布什和奥巴马时期为国土安全部工作，这取决于你如何看待这一点，这使他要么是一名试图在每一个环节阻挠我们总统的深层政府特工，要么是一名典型的华盛顿特区公务员，试图做好自己的工作。

Throughout all these emails, every so often he pops up, calmly raising his hand and reminding everyone of the rules.

在所有这些电子邮件中，他时不时地突然出现，平静地举手提醒每个人规则。

He's not standing in the way, exactly.

确切地说，他并没有挡道。

It's more like he's fact checking, waving his arms, politely warning of trouble ahead.

这更像是他在核实事实，挥舞着手臂，礼貌地警告前方有麻烦。

Saying, well, you can try to do that, but the facts might not be with you.

说，好吧，你可以尝试这样做，但事实可能并不支持你。

He has this thing he writes over and over, like an existential truth.

他一遍又一遍地写下这个东西，就像存在的真理一样。

"Country conditions are what they are."

“国家的情况就是这样。”

Anyway, he's assigned to fix the inconsistent memo ASAP.

不管怎样，他被指派尽快修复不一致的备忘录。

He responds, "Got it.

他回答说：“明白了。

Here's our thinking.

这是我们的想法。

The country conditions are what they are.

国家的情况就是这样。

If they're uncomfortable with the termination conclusion following from them and they want to stick with that conclusion, we've proposed paring down that section." End quote.

如果他们对随之而来的终止结论感到不舒服，并且他们想坚持该结论，我们建议削减该部分。”结束报价。

In other words, if the conclusion doesn't match the facts, then your best bet is to remove some of the facts.

换句话说，如果结论与事实不符，那么最好的办法就是删除一些事实。

He sends possible wording they could use to do that, but warns, quote, "Providing sanitized country conditions in a public-facing document would open us up to the charge that our account is lopsided and invite criticism." He passes the draft back to his boss.

他发送了他们可以用来做到这一点的可能措辞，但警告说，“在一份面向公众的文件中提供经过净化的国家情况将使我们面临我们的账户不平衡的指控，并招致批评。”他将草案传回给他的老板。

It goes through more hands, and then it gets to one of the big guns in the Department of Homeland Security, a senior staffer named Gene Hamilton.

它经过了更多的人手，然后到达了国土安全部的一位大人物，一位名叫吉恩·汉密尔顿的高级职员。

Gene Hamilton's a political appointee.

吉恩·汉密尔顿是一名政治任命者。

He was the person responsible for immigration policy in the transition team.

他是过渡团队中负责移民政策的人。

He worked with Stephen Miller back in the Senate in Jeff Sessions's office.

回到参议院后，他在杰夫·塞申斯的办公室与斯蒂芬·米勒一起工作。

So he takes this Sudan report and he removes even more facts than Brandon suggested.

因此，他接受了这份苏丹报告，并删除了比布兰登建议的更多的事实。

Specifically, he edits out references to human rights violations.

具体来说，他删除了有关侵犯人权的内容。

When Brandon sees the results, he once again respectfully raises a red flag.

当布兰登看到结果时，他再次恭敬地举起了红旗。

He's like, guys, based on what they've said so far, the State Department is probably not going to like that.

他说，伙计们，根据他们到目前为止所说的，国务院可能不会喜欢这样。

He adds, quote, "For our part, we just say that this could be read as taking another step toward providing an incomplete and lopsided country conditions presentation to support termination." The email trail goes dead.

他补充道，“就我们而言，我们只是说，这可以被解读为朝着提供不完整和不平衡的国家条件陈述以支持终止而迈出的又一步。”电子邮件踪迹消失了。

Six days later, DHS announces they're terminating TPS for Sudan.

六天后，国土安全部宣布他们将终止苏丹的 TPS。

The next day, the State Department complains, just like Brandon said they would.

第二天，国务院提出了抱怨，就像布兰登所说的那样。

They say the TPS report had, quote, "significant mischaracterizations that are at odds with the State Department's understanding of circumstances on the ground in Sudan." They complained they hadn't been notified of the Sudan TPS termination.

他们表示，TPS 报告“存在重大错误描述，与国务院对苏丹实际情况的理解不一致”。他们抱怨说，他们没有收到苏丹 TPS 终止的通知。

That they had to find out about this when everyone else did.

当其他人都发现这一点时，他们必须发现这一点。

That they had to send diplomats in cabs to the embassies to do damage control.

他们不得不派外交官乘坐出租车前往大使馆进行损害控制。

Then a White House official steps in.

然后白宫官员介入。

He writes Gene Hamilton to say that they'd received a, quote, "flurry of emails from the State Department and the National Security Council about the Sudan decision." He tells Gene Hamilton to go back to the language that the State Department and everyone else agreed to the week before.

他写信给吉恩·汉密尔顿说，他们收到了“国务院和国家安全委员会关于苏丹决定的一系列电子邮件”。他告诉吉恩·汉密尔顿回到国务院和其他所有人上周同意的语言。

Gene Hamilton writes back to the White House official, defiant, cc-ing all the bosses at DHS, quote, "I don't think we agree with that path." The White House doesn't write back.

吉恩·汉密尔顿 (Gene Hamilton) 给白宫官员回信，语气挑衅，抄送给国土安全部的所有老板，引用道：“我认为我们不同意这条道路。”白宫没有回信。

Less than an hour later, Gene sends another email to the same White House guy and caves.

不到一个小时后，吉恩又向同一位白宫官员和洞穴发送了另一封电子邮件。

Hi again, he says.

又嗨了，他说。

We will pull back, though, he says, many of the concerns are, quote, "entirely overblown and completely irrelevant."

不过，他说，我们会撤回，许多担忧“完全被夸大了，完全无关紧要”。

The next day, the Department of Defense weighs in.

第二天，国防部介入。

A foreign affairs specialist sends an email.

外交事务专家发送电子邮件。

It begins, "It has been brought to our attention," and the tone of utter disapproval never lets up.

它的开头是“它已经引起我们的注意”，并且完全不赞成的语气从未减弱。

She says the Sudan memo is wrong about conditions in Sudan.

她说苏丹备忘录对苏丹情况的描述是错误的。

That armed conflict is ongoing.

武装冲突仍在持续。

It's not safe for Sudanese to return there.

苏丹人返回那里并不安全。

She says what they've written is, quote, "a clear departure to past DOD messaging on Darfur to our Congressional committees and foreign partners." She says the Department of Defense would appreciate being included in any policy discussions that impact Sudan.

她说，他们所写的内容“明显背离了过去国防部向我们的国会委员会和外国合作伙伴传达的有关达尔富尔问题的信息。”她说，国防部希望参与任何影响苏丹的政策讨论。

There are more emails after that, and in the end, Gene Hamilton does make a small concession.

此后又收到了更多电子邮件，最后，吉恩·汉密尔顿确实做出了一个小小的让步。

A few sentences get added back to the Sudan memo.

苏丹备忘录中又添加了几句话。

But the result is still the same.

但结果还是一样。

TPS for Sudan is ended.

苏丹的 TPS 已结束。

The new guard wins.

新后卫获胜。

One by one, the countries in these emails lose TPS.

这些电子邮件中的国家/地区一一失去了 TPS。

After Sudan comes Nicaragua.

苏丹之后是尼加拉瓜。

Soon it's El Salvador, Nepal, Honduras.

很快就会有萨尔瓦多、尼泊尔、洪都拉斯。

The administration ended up terminating TPS for 98% of the people who had it.

政府最终终止了 98% 拥有 TPS 的人的 TPS。

I talk to government officials who've dealt with TPS, and they all said TPS was messy.

我与处理过 TPS 的政府官员交谈过，他们都说 TPS 很混乱。

That it was something temporary that became permanent, and it probably shouldn't have.

这是暂时的事情变成了永久性的事情，而且可能不应该这样。

But at the same time, an enormous number of people are currently living here on TPS.

但与此同时，目前有大量的人靠 TPS 生活在这里。

Over 400,000.

超过40万。

Most of them have been here legally for almost 20 years.

他们中的大多数人已经在这里合法居留了近20年。

Inevitably, a whole new life grows out of two decades of just being somewhere.

不可避免地，一个全新的生活会从某个地方的二十年中成长出来。

People start businesses, buy houses, get married, have kids.

人们创业、买房、结婚、生子。

And these kids, the sons and daughters of TPS recipients, US citizens, they're part of the lawsuit that released all these emails.

这些孩子，TPS 接收者的儿子和女儿，美国公民，他们是发布所有这些电子邮件的诉讼的一部分。

They're suing the government over this very mess so their parents aren't sent back home to a place that isn't their home anymore.

他们正在就这一混乱局面起诉政府，这样他们的父母就不会被送回一个不再是他们家的地方。

Nadia Reiman.

纳迪亚·雷曼。

She's one of the producers of our show.

她是我们节目的制作人之一。

Act Four, IRC You, Now You Don't.

第四幕，IRC 你，现在你不需要了。

The President has cut the number of refugees officially allowed into the United States from 110,000, under the previous administration, to 45,000.

总统已将官方允许进入美国的难民人数从上届政府时期的 110,000 人削减至 45,000 人。

But in fact, in this fiscal year, they're not even going to bring in that many people.

但事实上，在本财年，他们甚至不会引进那么多人。

Just 22,000 will arrive.

只有 22,000 人会到达。

That's the smallest number ever in the history of the refugee program here.

这是这里难民计划历史上最少的数字。

So a bunch of these refugee settlement offices that are around the country are going to be shutting down.

因此，全国各地的许多难民安置办公室将被关闭。

Our producer, Zoe Chace, was there for the final days of one of them in Garden City, Kansas.

我们的制片人佐伊·查斯 (Zoe Chace) 在堪萨斯州花园城度过了其中一场的最后几天。

I flew into a tiny airport.

我飞进了一个小机场。

Garden City is southwest Kansas, the middle of the plains.

花园城位于堪萨斯州西南部，平原中部。

Oklahoma's right below us.

俄克拉荷马州就在我们下面。

Colorado's not far west.

科罗拉多州就在西边不远的地方。

Amy Longa was waiting there at the airport.

艾米·隆加正在机场等候。

She started the office four years ago for the International Rescue Committee.

四年前，她为国际救援委员会设立了这个办公室。

She told me I'd recognize her, and I did.

她告诉我我会认出她，我确实认出了她。

The only black woman there.

那里唯一的黑人女性。

Straight back, tall, and a bright turquoise African print dress.

背部挺直，身材高挑，穿着明亮的绿松石色非洲印花连衣裙。

Everyone recognizes Amy.

每个人都认识艾米。

I'll find out soon then even Amy refers to herself in the third person a lot.

我很快就会发现，甚至艾米也经常用第三人称来称呼自己。

Like, she'll say, everybody knows Amy.

她会说，就像每个人都认识艾米一样。

I can't get away because it's, like, Amy, Amy, Amy everywhere I go.

我无法逃脱，因为我到处都是艾米，艾米，艾米。

And truly, like, the kid at the Hertz counter called out to her.

确实，赫兹柜台前的那个孩子对她喊道。

Amy, have you seen this?

艾米，你看到这个了吗？

And handed her a flyer for some kind of Hertz deal.

并递给她一张赫兹某种交易的传单。

It's like the character Amy plays in this town is bigger than Amy actually is.

就好像艾米在这个小镇上扮演的角色比艾米实际的角色更大。

It's Tuesday, July 24.

今天是 7 月 24 日，星期二。

The office is supposed to close on Friday.

该办公室预计周五关闭。

I follow Amy in my rental car and when I get there, the office looks wrecked.

我开着租来的车跟着艾米，当我到达那里时，办公室看起来已经被毁坏了。

Cardboard boxes, an abandoned paper shredder, an old car seat.

纸板箱、废弃的碎纸机、旧汽车座椅。

I mean, it looks closed.

我的意思是，它看起来已经关闭了。

But Amy's in the middle of a meeting, in Arabic.

但艾米正在开阿拉伯语会议。

She and one of her clients are sitting in two office chairs pulled up near the door.

她和她的一位客户坐在靠近门的两张办公椅上。

Where you'd expect a desk between them, they're just knee to knee in these rolly chairs.

你以为他们之间有一张桌子，但他们只是并肩坐在这些卷椅上。

The client's name is Eltahir.

客户的名字是埃尔塔希尔。

He's from Sudan.

他来自苏丹。

He's apparently asking Amy to help him figure out why he got his federal tax refund, but not his state one.

他显然要求艾米帮助他弄清楚为什么他得到了联邦退税，但没有得到州退税。

Amy takes the papers he brought.

艾米接过他带来的文件。

Says she'll look into it.

说她会调查一下。

OK.

好的。

Now, are you comfortable leaving this with me and we make appointment tomorrow?

现在，您可以放心把这个留给我吗？我们明天约个时间吧？

OK.

好的。

Amy Longa What do you want to do?

艾米·隆加 你想做什么？

I can't-- [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]

我不能——[非英语演讲]

I'm looking around at this abandoned office and Amy and I'm like, what?

我环顾四周这个废弃的办公室，艾米和我想，什么？

Appointment tomorrow?

明天预约吗？

OK.

好的。

So why are you still having these conversations if you're going to be closed in two days?

那么，如果两天后你就要关门了，为什么还要进行这些对话呢？

Because technically, the office is still open.

因为从技术上讲，办公室仍然开放。

The office is open.

办公室开放。

You're the only one here.

你是这里唯一的人。

Amy Longa I am the only one.

艾米·隆加 我是唯一的一个。

And I'm here.

我在这里。

Yeah.

是的。

Amy Longa I'm supposed to have packed all these.

艾米·隆加 我应该把所有这些都收拾好了。

And I-- it's difficult to pack when you still have to answer these questions.

当你仍然需要回答这些问题时，我很难收拾行李。

Refugee resettlement is exactly what you'd imagine, if you've ever thought about it.

如果您曾经想过的话，难民重新安置正是您所想象的。

You do a bunch of interviews overseas, go through a major security screening process.

你在海外进行了一系列面试，经历了一个重要的安全审查过程。

You fly to the United States, someone meets you at the airport and takes you to your new home.

您飞往美国，有人在机场接您并带您前往新家。

The US government funds a sparse apartment with food that's culturally relevant, like food that will be familiar to you, as well as cash assistance, housing assistance.

美国政府为一间稀疏的公​​寓提供与文化相关的食物，比如你熟悉的食物，以及现金援助、住房援助。

This lasts for three months while you look for work and go through some cultural orientation.

这会持续三个月，期间您会寻找工作并进行一些文化定位。

And all this is managed by a resettlement agency, a nonprofit that contracts with the State Department to do this stuff.

所有这一切都是由一个安置机构管理的，这是一个与国务院签订合同来做这件事的非营利组织。

In Garden City, it's the International Rescue Committee, the IRC.

在花园城，它是国际救援委员会（IRC）。

They help you get a social security card, figure out your health insurance, find a job, go learn English.

他们帮助您获得社会保障卡、确定您的健康保险、找工作、学习英语。

Pretty much all the things that make up a life here.

几乎构成这里生活的所有事物。

Three months.

三个月。

90 days.

90 天。

I do wonder how they came up with that.

我确实想知道他们是怎么想出这个的。

Making a whole life in 90 days.

90天内成就一生。

The IRC office works with their clients for up to five years with some government assistance.

IRC 办公室在政府的帮助下与客户合作长达五年。

Most of Amy's time is spent with clients far longer than 90 days.

Amy 的大部分时间都花在与客户在一起的时间远远超过 90 天。

This guy from Sudan, he's been here two years.

这个来自苏丹的家伙，他来这里已经两年了。

This office is being closed because so few refugees will be relocated here in the future.

该办公室正在关闭，因为未来将被重新安置到这里的难民很少。

But the fact is, Amy is right in the middle of these relationships, and she has to cut them off.

但事实是，艾米正处于这些关系的中间，她必须切断它们。

The people who are resettled here have a never-ending range of questions.

重新安置在这里的人们有一系列永无休止的问题。

For instance, this is Edie.

例如，这是伊迪。

He came to Garden City recently via a refugee camp in Tanzania.

他最近通过坦桑尼亚的一个难民营来到花园城。

He's Congolese.

他是刚果人。

He's a very giggly guy, but I think it's nerves.

他是一个很爱笑的人，但我认为这是紧张。

He comes in, sits down with Amy, and unfolds a paper with four questions on it.

他进来，和艾米一起坐下，展开一张纸，上面有四个问题。

One is about a guy not calling him back with a job.

其中一个是关于一个人没有给他回电话告诉他工作的事情。

Another is about a bank card.

另一个是关于银行卡的。

How do you use it?

你如何使用它？

He didn't have a pin number.

他没有密码。

Didn't know what a pin was.

不知道pin是什么。

She activates it.

她激活了它。

Activated.

活性。

Man Thank you, madam.

谢谢你，女士。

[INAUDIBLE] now.

[听不清]现在。

It was good.

很好。

There's a church question, a health insurance question, then he thinks of two more.

有一个教堂问题，一个健康保险问题，然后他又想到了两个问题。

It's like this all the time.

一直都是这样。

How do I get a birth certificate for my new baby daughter?

我如何为我的新生女儿取得出生证明？

How much does it cost?

它要多少钱？

How is my green card application doing?

我的绿卡申请进展如何？

Do they need more information?

他们需要更多信息吗？

Is my boss racist?

我的老板是种族主义者吗？

Then why isn't he responding?

那他为什么不回应呢？

How much is it to go to the dentist?

去看牙医要多少钱？

Should I pull this tooth out of my mouth?

我应该把这颗牙齿从嘴里拔出来吗？

If I pull the tooth, should I replace it with a new tooth or leave the gap?

如果拔牙，应该换新牙还是留间隙？

And what will people around here think if I have a gap?

如果我有差距，周围的人会怎么想？

Is that bad?

那很糟糕吗？

Where is the dentist's office?

牙医诊所在哪里？

One night, Amy's meeting with this guy at his apartment.

一天晚上，艾米在他的公寓里与这个人会面。

And when she's done, this other guy, who's not even a client, runs after her and yells at her from a balcony that he needs to talk.

当她完成后，另一个甚至不是客户的家伙追着她，在阳台上对她大喊大叫，说他需要谈谈。

And she's got three days left in this job, but she makes an appointment with him, too.

她的工作还剩三天，但她也和他预约了。

And again, I'm like, why are you meeting with this guy?

我又问，你为什么要和这个人见面？

Like, where is he going to sit even?

比如，他到底要坐哪里？

He walked out of that house.

他走出那所房子。

I'm sure he knew-- we were in the sitting room.

我确信他知道——我们当时在客厅。

He knew the IRC is there, or Amy.

他知道 IRC 就在那里，或者艾米。

And as we moved out, he got out to the balcony and said, I'm going to take this chance and ask.

当我们搬出去时，他走到阳台上说，我要借此机会问问。

If it was not something important, he wouldn't have pushed the button that far.

如果不是什么重要的事情，他也不会按那么远。

Amy has this ability where it's like she imagines all the thoughts in their head.

艾米有这种能力，就像她能想象出他们脑子里的所有想法一样。

She can picture the entire thought process of the person who's sitting in front of her.

她可以想象坐在她面前的人的整个思维过程。

He just didn't jump out and run.

他只是没有跳出来逃跑。

He chewed it.

他咀嚼着。

He digested it.

他消化了它。

Mm-hmm.

嗯嗯。

That's your problem, I think.

我想这就是你的问题。

You can imagine everybody's reality too closely.

你可以太接近地想象每个人的现实。

Amy has been a displaced person.

艾米是一个流离失所者。

First from Uganda, then to Sudan.

首先从乌干达，然后到苏丹。

She ended up in Khartoum.

她最终到达喀土穆。

Then she had to flee Khartoum.

然后她不得不逃离喀土穆。

Then back to Uganda where she was displaced again, until she went to college in the capital city Kampala.

然后回到乌干达，她再次流离失所，直到她在首都坎帕拉上大学。

Then she worked for the UN, then she came to the US.

然后她在联合国工作，然后来到美国。

When Amy's office closes on Friday, Edie and the others will still have somewhere to go.

当艾米的办公室周五下班时，伊迪和其他人仍然有地方可去。

They're getting hooked up with a local branch of Catholic Charities, a nonprofit that stepped in to fill this gap, to close out the 90 days of whoever's left.

他们正在与天主教慈善机构的当地分支机构联系起来，这是一家非营利组织，该机构介入以填补这一空白，以结束剩下的 90 天。

They've never done this work before, though, so it's been kind of trial by fire, more people than they expected.

不过，他们以前从未做过这项工作，所以这是一种考验，人数比他们预期的要多。

And they admit, they don't offer the suite of services and care that the IRC does.

他们承认，他们不提供 IRC 所提供的全套服务和护理。

And they do not have caseworkers who were themselves displaced people in Africa.

而且他们没有自己是非洲流离失所者的社会工作者。

When I talked to them, they copped to that.

当我和他们交谈时，他们接受了这一点。

Yes, it's been hard.

是的，这很难。

And no, we do not have the unique instinct of Amy Longa.

不，我们没有艾米·隆加的独特本能。

So it's going to be different.

所以情况会有所不同。

Edie, who comes here at least three times a week, wants to know how to reach Amy after the office closes.

伊迪每周至少来这里三次，她想知道办公室关门后如何联系艾米。

No, I'm not giving you my cell phone number and I cannot give you my address.

不，我不会给你我的手机号码，也不能给你我的地址。

But Garden City's small.

但花园城很小。

I can guarantee you we will meet somewhere.

我可以向你保证我们会在某个地方见面。

There was this one meeting I saw Amy have with a client that I will never forget.

有一次我看到艾米与一位客户的会面，我永远不会忘记。

Hey.

嘿。

How are you, bubba?

你好吗，布巴？

Zoe Chace This kid, Norkamal, he's just a kid, really.

Zoe Chace 这个孩子，Norkamal，他只是个孩子，真的。

19 years old.

19岁。

He's Rohingya Muslim from Myanmar.

他是来自缅甸的罗兴亚穆斯林。

The Rohingyas have been brutally persecuted there.

罗兴亚人在那里遭受残酷迫害。

He fled to Bangladesh, then Malaysia, then he came to the United States not being able to speak.

他逃到孟加拉国，然后是马来西亚，然后来到美国，无法说话。

It's almost like he has no vocal cords at all.

就好像他根本没有声带一样。

He's injured.

他受伤了。

I don't know how or why.

我不知道如何或为什么。

Like, he really can't talk.

比如说，他真的不会说话。

He talks like this.

他这样说话。

Like, if you just made a K sound at the back of your throat.

就像，如果你只是在喉咙后面发出 K 声。

It's a whisper.

这是一个耳语。

(WHISPERING) "Ka." He also can't read much or write at all.

（低声）“卡。”他也根本无法阅读或写作。

Nor and Amy have gotten very close this year.

今年诺尔和艾米的关系非常亲密。

It's almost like a mother-son relationship.

这几乎就像母子关系。

Nor wants to get a surgery, a risky surgery, that could bring his voice back.

也不想接受手术，一次冒险的手术，以恢复他的声音。

He has health insurance, but it still took him a year and a half working in a beef slaughterhouse to save up $6,000 for the co-pay.

他有健康保险，但他还是花了一年半的时间在牛肉屠宰场工作才攒下 6,000 美元的自付额。

Except, of course, his consultation with the doctor is for August 1.

当然，除非他与医生的会诊日期是 8 月 1 日。

August 1.

8 月 1 日。

the day after Amy's office closes, when she's no longer technically supposed to be working with them.

艾米办公室关门后的第二天，从技术上讲，她不再应该与他们一起工作。

Though, of course, she'll still be his contact with the hospital.

当然，她仍然是他与医院的联系人。

It's taken them all year to perfect their communication, and it's intimate watching them.

他们花了一年的时间来完善他们的沟通，并且观察他们是很亲密的。

It's kind of a lip reading, and signing, and looking into each other's eyes.

这有点像唇读、手势、看着对方的眼睛。

He shows her some medical records she told him to find.

他向她展示了她让他找到的一些医疗记录。

You kept it together.

你把它放在一起。

I think this is it.

我想就是这样了。

You see, it's from the hospital in Malaysia.

你看，是来自马来西亚的医院。

They sit cross-legged from each other on the floor.

他们盘腿坐在地板上。

Amy's desk was literally just pulled out from under her.

艾米的桌子实际上是从她身下被拉出来的。

Some guys came and picked it up as a donation.

有些人过来捡起它作为捐赠。

Let's give it to the doctor, OK?

我们把它交给医生，好吗？

Don't open it.

不要打开它。

Don't put anything in it.

不要在里面放任何东西。

This is for the--

这是为了——

[INAUDIBLE] Zoe Chace That's him saying, "the doctor."

[听不清] Zoe Chace 他说的是“医生”。

Wednesday.

周三。

Amy Longa Wednesday.

艾米·隆加星期三。

Perfect.

完美的。

Bingo.

宾果游戏。

Amy's clients.

艾米的客户。

Lots of them non-English speaking, unskilled labor job having, expensive surgery booking.

他们中的许多人不会说英语，从事非熟练劳动力工作，手术预约费用昂贵。

This is where the immigration debate lives.

这就是移民争论的焦点。

President Trump's idea, the idea of America First, it kind of means fewer people like this.

特朗普总统的理念，美国优先的理念，意味着这样的人会更少。

Why can't we take care of the people in America first?

为什么我们不能先照顾美国人民？

Trump supporters have said that to me for years now.

特朗普的支持者多年来一直对我这么说。

That they think refugees take American jobs.

他们认为难民抢走了美国人的工作。

They cost taxpayers too much money, these government grants to resettle refugees.

他们花费了纳税人太多的钱，这些政府拨款用于安置难民。

This county in Kansas went 63% for Trump, so I figure a lot of people here like his policies.

堪萨斯州的这个县有 63% 的人支持特朗普，所以我认为这里很多人都喜欢他的政策。

I found one of them on Facebook being skeptical of refugees.

我在 Facebook 上发现其中一位对难民持怀疑态度。

Then I found her in real life--

然后我在现实生活中找到了她——

--in a farmhouse just past the meatpacking plant.

——肉类加工厂旁边的一座农舍里。

She and her husband were sitting in their garage watching baseball, drinking beers, throwing the cans into the corner.

她和她的丈夫坐在车库里看棒球比赛，喝着啤酒，把罐子扔到角落里。

[INAUDIBLE] Zoe Chace OK.

[听不清] Zoe Chace 好的。

So who are you, sir?

那么你是谁，先生？

My name's John Becker.

我叫约翰·贝克尔。

Zoe Chace OK.

佐伊·切斯 好的。

And Mr. Becker, what do you make of this refugee resettlement office closing?

贝克尔先生，您对难民安置办公室的关闭有何看法？

OK.

好的。

So you know refugees come into Garden City, Kansas, right?

所以你知道难民来到堪萨斯州花园城，对吗？

What does that mean?

这意味着什么？

Zoe Chace OK.

佐伊·切斯 好的。

What's a refugee?

什么是难民？

A refugee is like, basically, they've been-- they're coming from a war-torn country.

基本上，难民就像来自一个饱受战争蹂躏的国家。

Somalia, the Congo, Sudan, stuff like that.

索马里、刚果、苏丹等等。

OK.

好的。

Well, I'll just tell you the definition of it first and--

好吧，我先告诉你它的定义，然后——

I don't believe that.

我不相信。

Zoe Chace OK.

佐伊·切斯 好的。

And they get vetted extensively.

他们受到广泛的审查。

I don't believe that either.

我也不相信。

Zoe Chace You don't believe the vetting thing.

Zoe Chace：你不相信审查的事。

No. I don't believe they're vetted either.

不，我也不相信他们经过审查。

Right.

正确的。

Well, I guess the distinction that I just do want to make, though, is that they are here legally.

好吧，我想我只是想区分的是，他们是合法的。

It's not illegal immigration.

这不是非法移民。

You know, they have permission to be here.

你知道，他们有权来到这里。

They're flown over here by the UN and State Department.

他们是由联合国和国务院空运过来的。

Why are they doing that?

他们为什么要这么做？

Zoe Chace Well, because, you know, they're refugees.

佐伊·切斯：嗯，因为，你知道，他们是难民。

They can't go home.

他们不能回家。

Why can't they?

为什么他们不能？

Zoe Chace Because their home is unsafe.

Zoe Chace 因为他们的家不安全。

Oh, I don't buy that.

哦，我不买这个。

I don't believe that either.

我也不相信。

Why don't you believe it?

你为什么不相信呢？

John Becker I just don't believe all that stuff.

约翰·贝克尔 我只是不相信所有这些东西。

John Becker is not the first person I've met who wants a moratorium on refugees.

约翰·贝克尔并不是我遇到的第一个希望暂停接收难民的人。

He is the first one who doesn't seem to believe in them, like they're unicorns or elves.

他是第一个似乎不相信它们的人，就像它们是独角兽或精灵一样。

Well, it seems to me that now that they're closing down the office, there'll be fewer refugees here.

嗯，在我看来，既然他们关闭了办公室，这里的难民就会减少。

Somebody is seeing things the way you are.

有人以你的方式看待事物。

So there's going to be few of them?

那么这样的人会很少吗？

Fewer?

更少？

Yeah.

是的。

John Becker Oh, well, I applaud that.

约翰·贝克尔 哦，好吧，我对此表示赞赏。

We don't want to change our whole society here just for a few refugees.

我们不想仅仅为了少数难民而改变这里的整个社会。

We don't want to do that.

我们不想这样做。

They can go to a bigger town, bigger city maybe.

他们可以去更大的城镇，也许更大的城市。

They come here to change our culture.

他们来这里是为了改变我们的文化。

That's how the Beckers see it.

贝克夫妇就是这么看的。

Not to state the very, very obvious, but this is the opposite of Amy.

并不是说非常非常明显，但这与艾米相反。

Whereas she imagines their lives and needs, to the point of anguish sometimes, he doesn't believe they actually exist.

尽管她想象着他们的生活和需求，有时甚至达到了痛苦的地步，但他却不相信他们真的存在。

He can't imagine their lives.

他无法想象他们的生活。

Garden City has train tracks, and grain silos, and enormous wind turbines.

花园城有火车轨道、粮仓和巨大的风力涡轮机。

It has cows in a field under a big metal sign that says Eat More Beef.

田里有奶牛，下面有一个大金属牌子，上面写着“多吃牛肉”。

It smells of shit around 4:00 in the afternoon.

下午4:00左右就闻到了屎味。

You can smell it at the Walmart parking lot.

你可以在沃尔玛停车场闻到这种味道。

But whatever politics that evokes for you, I believe most of the city doesn't agree with the Beckers.

但无论你会想到什么政治观点，我相信这座城市的大多数人都不同意贝克夫妇的观点。

Of the people in town I found who wanted the office to close-- six-- 2/3 of them were Beckers.

我发现城里有六人希望关闭办公室，其中 2/3 是贝克尔斯。

Their relative had been killed on a motorcycle by a Somali.

他们的亲戚在摩托车上被一名索马里人杀害。

The county that Garden City is in is not majority white anymore.

花园城所在的县不再是白人占多数的地区。

There are taco spots everywhere.

到处都有炸玉米饼店。

There's a Vietnamese grocery store.

有一家越南杂货店。

There's a Somali neighborhood.

有一个索马里社区。

And the IRC office, in a way, acts as the glue between these two parts of town that are coming together.

从某种程度上来说，IRC 办公室就像是城市中这两个正在融合在一起的部分之间的粘合剂。

My impression is that most people in town don't want the office to close at all.

我的印象是镇上的大多数人根本不希望办公室关闭。

People like the chief of police, who loves Amy, loves the IRC office.

像警察局长这样的人，喜欢艾米，喜欢 IRC 办公室。

They worked together particularly closely when the Somali community here was threatened by a bomb plot by white militia guys outside of town.

当这里的索马里社区受到城外白人民兵策划的炸弹阴谋威胁时，他们的合作尤其密切。

The local hospital works closely with the IRC.

当地医院与 IRC 密切合作。

So do the local schools.

当地学校也是如此。

The Beckers complain newcomers aren't assimilating fast enough.

贝克夫妇抱怨新来者融入得不够快。

John Becker said a few times, why don't they want to be Americans?

约翰·贝克尔多次说过，为什么他们不想成为美国人？

But they very obviously do.

但他们显然是这样做的。

That's why lots of them are in the IRC office day after day, like wide-eyed kids on the first day of high school.

这就是为什么他们中的很多人日复一日地呆在 IRC 办公室里，就像高中第一天睁大眼睛的孩子一样。

Help me figure out how to fit in.

帮我弄清楚如何融入。

And that's what the IRC office helps them do.

这就是 IRC 办公室帮助他们做的事情。

Close the back of the truck.

关闭卡车后部。

The moving company has just finished packing up the truck and slams the back door shut.

搬家公司刚刚把卡车收拾好，关上后门。

They're driving all the files to Wichita, where the lone IRC office in the state remains.

他们正在将所有文件运送到威奇托，那里是该州唯一的 IRC 办事处。

We watch them drive away, cart off the whole office that she founded four years ago.

我们看着他们开车离开，带走了她四年前创立的整个办公室。

All right.

好的。

That is done.

这样就完成了。

3 o'clock, July 30.

7月30日，下午3点。

There goes the office around the corner.

办公室就在拐角处。

There goes the office around the corner.

办公室就在拐角处。

What next?

接下来怎么办？

You know that feeling when you've packed everything up and you're like, whew, I did it.

你知道那种感觉，当你把所有东西都收拾好后，你会想，哇，我做到了。

This was not that feeling.

这不是那种感觉。

[PHONE RINGING] There is one thing, though, that Amy is really, truly satisfied about.

[电话铃声] 不过，有一件事让艾米非常非常满意。

You can hear it in her voice a few weeks later, a few weeks after the office is closed, when I call her.

几周后，办公室关闭几周后，当我打电话给她时，你可以从她的声音中听到这一点。

Norkamal.

诺卡马尔。

He's the guy who whispered "Wednesday."

他就是那个低声说“星期三”的人。

Hi.

你好。

How are you?

你好吗？

Zoe Chace Oh, my gosh!

佐伊·切斯 哦，天哪！

Oh, my gosh.

哦，天哪。

I can talk.

我可以说话。

Zoe Chace You can talk!

佐伊·切斯 你可以说话！

Your voice is so, like, loud and clear.

你的声音是如此响亮而清晰。

Yeah.

是的。

My voice is clear.

我的声音很清晰。

Zoe Chace And he has all this stuff to say.

Zoe Chace 他有很多话要说。

Amy says when she hears his voice, it sounds like one of her babies crying after he was just born.

艾米说，当她听到他的声音时，听起来就像她的一个婴儿刚出生后的哭声。

[INAUDIBLE] Zoe Chace This is the first time I have heard her, just, pure joy.

[听不清] Zoe Chace 这是我第一次听到她的声音，纯粹的快乐。

[AMY LAUGHS AND SIGHS] Her office is closed, but she got this done.

[艾米笑着叹息]她的办公室关门了，但她还是完成了这件事。

Zoe Chace.

佐伊·查斯。

So podcast listeners, Zoe actually reported out an entire second story for today's program that we did not have time for on the radio, but she found some really interesting stuff.

所以播客听众，佐伊实际上报道了今天节目的整个第二个故事，我们没有时间在广播中播放，但她发现了一些非常有趣的东西。

And since this podcast can be any length at all, I'm excited to play it for you now.

由于这个播客可以是任意长度，我很高兴现在为您播放它。

This is a fifth act of today's show.

这是今天节目的第五幕。

Don't tell anybody who heard the radio version of the show about this, OK?

不要告诉任何听过该节目广播版的人这件事，好吗？

They don't need to know.

他们不需要知道。

It's just between us.

这只是我们之间的事情。

Don't let them know how much better the podcast is.

不要让他们知道播客有多好。

This is Act Five of today's show.

这是今天节目的第五幕。

Act Five, Why So Few?

第五幕，为什么这么少？

And the best way to explain this story-- when Zoe was at the IRC office in Garden City, one of the refugees-- the guy at the beginning of her story, Edie-- he asked her at some point, like, why is this happening?

解释这个故事的最好方式是，当佐伊在花园城的 IRC 办公室时，其中一位难民，即她故事开头的伊迪，在某个时刻他问她，比如，为什么会发生这种情况？

Why are so few refugees coming in that this office has to close?

为什么进来的难民如此之少以至于这个办公室不得不关闭？

And at the time, Zoe actually didn't really understand why.

而当时的佐伊其实也不太明白这是为什么。

Like, why were only 22,000 refugees arriving in the United States if 45,000 was the number that the administration set for itself?

例如，如果政府为自己设定的人数是 45,000 人，为什么只有 22,000 名难民抵达美国？

And she looked into this, trying to figure it out.

她对此进行了调查，试图找出答案。

And to understand the answer, you have to go back to this promise that the President made back when he was a candidate.

要理解答案，你必须回到总统在担任候选人时做出的承诺。

You remember this one.

你还记得这个吧。

Donald J.

唐纳德·J。

Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

特朗普呼吁全面彻底禁止穆斯林进入美国，直到我们国家的代表弄清楚到底发生了什么。

[CROWD CHEERING] Ira Glass So the President acted on this campaign promise in his very first week in office with the travel ban, right?

[人群欢呼]艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 那么总统在上任第一周就实施了旅行禁令，兑现了竞选承诺，对吧？

He banned travel to the United States from seven countries.

他禁止七个国家前往美国旅行。

But that was not all it did.

但这还不是它所做的全部。

It also shut down the refugee program.

它还关闭了难民计划。

Like, the refugee program from all countries all over the world.

就像来自世界各国的难民计划一样。

It was, like, a total and complete shut down for 120 days.

这就像 120 天的彻底关闭。

The idea is shut it down for 120 days while the administration figured out what the hell was going on.

这个想法是关闭它 120 天，直到政府弄清楚到底发生了什么。

In other words, how we vet refugees that we resettle in this country.

换句话说，我们如何审查在这个国家安置的难民。

And at the end of 120 days, theoretically, the refugee resettlement program was supposed to start back up again.

理论上，120 天结束后，难民安置计划应该会重新启动。

But then something weird happened.

但后来发生了一些奇怪的事情。

Refugee resettlement, it never really started back up again.

难民安置，再也没有真正开始恢复。

Not full force.

没有全力。

Look at the numbers.

看看数字。

Take Iraq, which is not on the President's travel ban list-- the final one.

以伊拉克为例，它不在总统的旅行禁令名单上——最后一个。

Last year, we let in 6,886 refugees.

去年，我们接纳了 6,886 名难民。

This year, 130.

今年，130。

OK.

好的。

How come?

怎么会？

Like, what happened?

比如，发生了什么？

They went through a process, they came to a conclusion, they fixed their thing.

他们经历了一个过程，得出了结论，解决了问题。

Should have start started back up.

应该开始备份。

What happened?

发生了什么？

Zoe searched around and found somebody who actually knows.

佐伊四处搜寻，找到了真正了解此事的人。

Back when Donald J.

当唐纳德·J.

Trump said he wanted to know what the hell was going on, what he meant was, what's the vetting process for how we figure out who gets to come in?

特朗普说他想知道到底发生了什么事，他的意思是，我们如何确定谁可以进来的审查程序是什么？

He didn't trust what was already in place.

他不相信已经存在的东西。

So when he announced the travel ban, the White House pulled together people from across the agencies.

因此，当他宣布旅行禁令时，白宫召集了各机构的人员。

Homeland Security, the State Department, National Counterterrorism, Intelligence.

国土安全部、国务院、国家反恐、情报。

All the people you'd want in a room like that.

所有你想要的人都在这样的房间里。

And one of the people in the room was Barbara Strack.

房间里的人之一是芭芭拉·斯特莱克。

She was the chief of refugee admissions for USCIS, USCIS being a Department of Homeland Security that handles immigration.

她是美国移民局难民入境处的负责人，美国移民局是负责移民事务的国土安全部。

She remembers their first meeting on day one of 120.

她记得他们第一次见面是在 120 周年的第一天。

We met in a large conference room that was really full with people around the table and people against the wall.

我们在一个大会议室里开会，里面挤满了桌子周围和靠墙的人。

And--

还有——

It was a lot of people.

人很多。

Barbara Strack A lot of people.

芭芭拉·斯特莱克 很多人。

Barbara says the way most people in the room were looking at it was like this.

芭芭拉说，房间里的大多数人都是这样看的。

The refugee program is already incredibly rigorous.

难民计划已经非常严格。

It's months, sometimes years, of interviews, data collection, security checks.

这是几个月，有时是几年的采访、数据收集、安全检查。

The people in the room were, like, we think of this as very safe.

房间里的人都说，我们认为这非常安全。

But OK, let's do better.

但好吧，让我们做得更好。

Let's make what we already think is extreme vetting more extreme.

让我们把我们已经认为的极端审查变得更加极端。

It was a real A team.

这是一支真正的A队。

The top people.

顶尖人物。

Barbara says everyone was on the same page.

芭芭拉说每个人都在同一立场上。

Our goal is that this program is up and running again on day 121.

我们的目标是该程序在第 121 天再次启动并运行。

So we need to be very organized.

所以我们需要非常有组织。

We need to meet quickly and get the program through the other side when there can be confidence again.

我们需要迅速会面，并在对方再次有信心时让该计划获得通过。

I talked to three other officials who are involved in the 120-day group, two who still work in government, and they all felt like Barbara.

我与参与 120 天小组的另外三名官员进行了交谈，其中两人仍在政府工作，他们都感觉像芭芭拉。

Let's put our back into it, focus, hit the target.

让我们全身心投入，集中精力，击中目标。

So they do it.

所以他们就这么做了。

They meet, they divide into subgroups, they write up a report that makes a bunch of recommendations, which are classified.

他们开会，分成小组，写一份报告，提出一系列保密的建议。

My impression from Barbara and the others who worked on this was we implemented every improvement we could imagine to a process that was already tight.

芭芭拉和其他从事这方面工作的人给我的印象是，我们对已经很紧张的流程实施了我们能想象到的每一项改进。

And the final conclusion of this group of experts was if you institute these improvements into the process that we already have, for sure, it is safe to turn the program back on.

这组专家的最终结论是，如果您将这些改进纳入我们已有的流程中，那么重新启动该程序肯定是安全的。

So go ahead.

所以继续吧。

Start admitting the refugees again with the more extreme vetting that you wanted.

重新开始接纳难民，并进行您想要的更严格的审查。

And then, on about 110 of the 120 days, they hear back from the White House.

然后，在这 120 天中的大约 110 天，他们收到了白宫的回复。

The White House did not like the conclusion of this review.

白宫不喜欢这次审查的结论。

And according to Barbara and the others I spoke to in the group, the White House wanted it to change.

据芭芭拉和我在小组中交谈过的其他人说，白宫希望改变这种情况。

They had expressed concern about the recommendation to resume refugee processing of all nationalities.

他们对恢复所有国籍难民处理的建议表示关切。

And do you know which nationalities the White House was worried about?

你知道白宫担心哪些民族吗？

I'm trying to think if there's any reason not to say this on the record.

我正在思考是否有任何理由不把这件事记录在案。

There's probably not.

应该没有吧

I was told that there was particular concern about Somali nationals.

有人告诉我，索马里国民特别令人担忧。

The administration specifically pointed to Somalis as the sticking point.

政府特别指出索马里人是症结所在。

What do you think?

你怎么认为？

Barbara Strack I honestly can't speculate.

芭芭拉·斯特莱克（Barbara Strack） 说实话，我无法推测。

You don't want to speculate.

你不想猜测。

Barbara Strack No, I honestly-- to this day, I don't know.

芭芭拉·斯特莱克：不，老实说，直到今天我也不知道。

And there's no rationale that you were given?

而且没有给你任何理由吗？

Like, because Somalia is like this or like that.

就像，因为索马里就是这样或那样。

Two government officials confirmed this for me.

两位政府官员向我证实了这一点。

Somalia wasn't the only concern, they said, but it was a major concern.

他们说，索马里不是唯一的问题，但却是一个主要问题。

It was chief of staff John Kelly, in particular, who was unhappy, they said.

他们说，办公厅主任约翰·凯利尤其不高兴。

I think it was bullshit, one guy in the group told me.

“我认为这是胡说八道，”小组中的一个人告诉我。

At the end of the day, the data didn't show that Somalis were any special risk.

归根结底，数据并未显示索马里人面临任何特殊风险。

So after 120 days, the White House reopened the refugee program for some countries, but not for a handful of countries who make up a lot of the refugees that are resettled here.

因此，120天后，白宫重新针对一些国家启动了难民计划，但并未针对少数国家重新开放，因为这些国家的难民数量较多。

For Somalia and 10 others, including all the countries in the original travel ban, the refugee program would stay suspended.

对于索马里和其他 10 个国家，包括最初旅行禁令中的所有国家，难民计划将继续暂停。

For them, the 120 day review got another 90 days.

对他们来说，120 天的审核又多了 90 天。

My boss asked me to think about options for how to address the White House's concerns.

我的老板让我考虑如何解决白宫的担忧。

Barbara says she and the other members of her group were sort of at a loss for what else they could possibly review.

芭芭拉说，她和她小组的其他成员有点不知所措，不知道还有什么可以审查的。

But they went back to work.

但他们又回去工作了。

They came up with some more recommendations.

他们提出了更多建议。

After 90 days, in January 2018, the White House did restart the whole refugee program.

90天后，即2018年1月，白宫确实重启了整个难民计划。

But it was like turning on a faucet and nothing coming out.

但这就像打开水龙头却什么也没有流出来。

If you look at Somalia and those 10 other countries, this fiscal year it looks like we will admit 3% of who we allowed just the year before.

如果你看看索马里和其他 10 个国家，本财年我们将接纳上一年允许的人数的 3%。

Last year, we admitted more than 6,000 Somalis.

去年，我们接纳了 6,000 多名索马里人。

This year, just 250.

今年只有 250 个。

The extreme vetting has gotten so extreme, it seems, that few people can actually get through it.

极端的审查已经变得如此极端，似乎很少有人能真正通过它。

Barbara says the changes they recommended shouldn't have had this effect.

芭芭拉说，他们建议的改变不应该产生这种效果。

It shouldn't have slowed things down so much.

它不应该让事情放慢这么多。

Others I spoke to from the group said the same thing.

我在小组中采访过的其他人也说了同样的话。

It's not clear why the numbers are so low, but Barbara and the other people I talked to said the White House just never supplied the staffing and the resources to carry out the new vetting.

目前尚不清楚为什么数字如此之低，但芭芭拉和我交谈过的其他人表示，白宫从未提供人员和资源来进行新的审查。

A few people told me that the FBI, in particular, isn't staffed up enough to do the checks it's supposed to do.

有几个人告诉我，特别是联邦调查局，没有足够的人员来进行其应该做的检查。

As a result, there's not a ban in place on these refugees, but the outcome is nearly the same.

因此，虽然没有针对这些难民的禁令，但结果几乎是一样的。

A DHS spokesperson said the new screening procedures are undoubtedly making America safer.

国土安全部发言人表示，新的筛查程序无疑使美国变得更安全。

They point to one specific example.

他们举了一个具体的例子。

An Iraqi wanted for murder in Iraq who entered the United States through our refugee program in 2014.

一名因在伊拉克谋杀而被通缉的伊拉克人于 2014 年通过我们的难民计划进入美国。

They said today, with the new vetting procedures, he would not have made it through.

他们今天表示，按照新的审查程序，他将无法通过。

There is some risk with every immigration program.

每个移民计划都存在一定的风险。

If you wanted a zero-risk immigration system, you wouldn't have any immigration at all.

如果你想要一个零风险的移民制度，你就根本不需要任何移民。

My sense is that the risk tolerance of this administration is very, very low with regard to the refugee program.

我的感觉是，本届政府对难民计划的风险承受能力非常非常低。

You know, approaching zero.

你知道，接近于零。

Barbara thinks, though I believe DHS would deny this, that they just want a different kind of refugee coming in, if any come in at all.

芭芭拉认为，尽管我相信国土安全部会否认这一点，但他们只是希望有不同类型的难民进来，如果有的话。

She and another staffer told me about various times going up to the Hill to talk about the refugee program to Congress back when Jeff Sessions was a senator.

她和另一名工作人员告诉我，杰夫·塞申斯还是参议员时，曾多次到国会向国会谈论难民计划。

Do you vet for culture?

你审查文化吗？

he asked.

他问道。

Another time she saw someone else who's now a Trump official, Gene Hamilton, for a briefing.

还有一次，她见到了现任特朗普官员吉恩·汉密尔顿(Gene Hamilton)，听取情况介绍。

Do you screen for integration potential, Hamilton asked, the ability to assimilate?

汉密尔顿问道，你是否筛选整合潜力，即同化能力？

No, she said.

不，她说。

That's something we've always taken pride in, actually, as a country, she told him.

事实上，作为一个国家，这是我们一直引以为傲的事情，她告诉他。

The standard for refugee resettlement has always been vulnerability.

难民安置的标准一直是脆弱性。

How much can we do for you, not how much you can do for us.

我们能为您做多少，而不是您能为我们做多少。

Zoe Chace.

佐伊·查斯。

Again, remember, this story is our secret.

再次记住，这个故事是我们的秘密。

Don't tell anybody who heard the radio show.

不要告诉任何听过广播节目的人。

OK.

好的。

[MUSIC - PUSSY RIOT, "MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN"]

[音乐 - Pussy Riot，“让美国再次伟大”]

What do you want your world to look like?

你希望你的世界是什么样子？

What do you want it to be?

你想要什么？

Do you know that a wall has two sides and nobody is free?

你知道墙有两个面，没有人是自由的吗？

Did your mama come from Mexico?

你妈妈是从墨西哥来的吗？

Papa come from Palestine?

爸爸来自巴勒斯坦？

Sneaking all through Syria, crossing all the border lines.

潜行穿过叙利亚，跨越所有边境线。

Our program was produced today by Nadia Reiman.

我们今天的节目由纳迪亚·雷曼制作。

People who put together today's show included Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Neil Drumming, Hillary Elkins, Damian Grave, Michelle Harris, Chana Joffe-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Seth Lind, Anna Martin, Miki Meek, Ben Phelan, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.

今天的演出包括 Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Neil Drumming、Hillary Elkins、Damian Grave、Michelle Harris、Chana Joffe-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Seth Lind、Anna Martin、Miki Meek、Ben Phelan、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Julie Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。

Our Senior producer is Brian Reed.

我们的高级制片人是布莱恩·里德。

Our managing editor is Susan Burton.

我们的总编辑是苏珊·伯顿。

Special thanks today to so many lawyers.

今天特别感谢这么多律师。

Erica [INAUDIBLE], Nicole Ramos, [INAUDIBLE], Bob [INAUDIBLE], Jennifer Walker Gates, Miriam Ackerman, Morgan [INAUDIBLE], Ana Maria Schwartz, Anastasia Tonello, Edna Yang, Steven [?

艾丽卡 [听不清]、妮可·拉莫斯、[听不清]、鲍勃 [听不清]、詹妮弗·沃克·盖茨、米里亚姆·阿克曼、摩根 [听不清]、安娜·玛丽亚·施瓦茨、阿纳斯塔西娅·托内洛、埃德娜·杨、史蒂文 [？

Navar, ?] Rebecca [INAUDIBLE], Francisco [INAUDIBLE], Crystal [INAUDIBLE], Sandra Feist, Emmy McLean, Teigen [INAUDIBLE], Andy [INAUDIBLE], Rebecca Brown, Rebecca Press, and many others at Central American Legal Assistance.

Navar，？] Rebecca [听不清]、Francisco [听不清]、Crystal [听不清]、Sandra Feist、Emmy McLean、Teigen [听不清]、Andy [听不清]、Rebecca Brown、Rebecca Press 以及中美洲法律援助中心的许多其他人员。

Also [INAUDIBLE], Robbie Grammer, Ben Kestling, Mark O'Brien, Marcy Smith, Katie [INAUDIBLE], Eric Schwartz, Sarah [?

还有[听不清]、罗比·格拉默、本·凯斯林、马克·奥布莱恩、马西·史密斯、凯蒂[听不清]、埃里克·施瓦茨、莎拉[？

Kraus, ?] Jennifer [?

克劳斯，？] 詹妮弗 [？

Sine, ?] Mary [?

正弦，？] 玛丽 [？

Giovanolli.

乔瓦诺利.

?] And a bunch of government spokespeople, including [INAUDIBLE], Michael [?

？]还有一群政府发言人，包括[听不清]、迈克尔[？

Bars, ?] and [?

酒吧，？] 和 [？

Devin ?] [?

德文？] [？

O'Malley.

奥马利。

?]

？]

Our website, thisamericanlife.org.

我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

You know, he keeps inviting me to this little vacation house he has.

你知道，他一直邀请我去他拥有的这个小度假屋。

And whenever I ask him, like, what is it like?

每当我问他，感觉怎么样？

He's so vague.

他好模糊啊

He's just--

他只是——

The country conditions are what they are.

国家的情况就是这样。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

[MUSIC - PUSSY RIOT, "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"]

[音乐 - Pussy Riot，“让美国再次伟大”]

Make America great again.

让美国再次伟大。

This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。