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Prologue Sean Cole From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言 Sean Cole 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是《美国生活》。
Ira Glass is off this week, I'm Sean Cole.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 本周休假，我是肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole)。
So there's this guy who's been on our show a few times now, Kirk Johnson.
柯克·约翰逊（Kirk Johnson）已经多次出现在我们的节目中。
He's this extraordinary person.
他是一个非凡的人。
In his early 20s, he went to Iraq and ran rebuilding projects in Fallujah for USAID after the invasion.
20 岁出头时，他前往伊拉克，在伊拉克入侵后为美国国际开发署负责费卢杰的重建项目。
He saw that Iraqis who worked for the US military were being threatened and killed because of it and weren't getting asylum in the US.
他看到为美军工作的伊拉克人因此受到威胁和杀害，并且没有在美国获得庇护。
And he was outraged.
他很愤怒。
So he single-handedly launched a campaign which changed US law on this.
于是他单枪匹马发起了一场改变美国相关法律的运动。
And for years after, he championed these cases, saving thousands of people's lives.
多年后，他一直支持这些案件，拯救了数千人的生命。
It was beyond difficult, an extraordinary stressful job.
这是一项非常困难、压力很大的工作。
And so to decompress, Kirk took up fly fishing, which is where today's story actually starts.
为了减压，柯克开始飞钓，这就是今天故事的真正开始。
It has nothing to do with Iraq or refugees.
这与伊拉克或难民无关。
It begins on a river in New Mexico.
它始于新墨西哥州的一条河。
Fly fishing, just in case you don't know, you're using this special lure that looks like an insect.
飞蝇钓鱼，以防万一您不知道，您使用的是这种看起来像昆虫的特殊诱饵。
That's the fly.
那就是苍蝇。
It floats on the water.
它漂浮在水面上。
Kirk makes his own flies out of things like rabbit fur-- so taking parts of one kind of animal, using it to imitate another kind, in order to catch a third kind.
柯克用兔毛之类的东西制作了自己的苍蝇——因此取一种动物的一部分，用它来模仿另一种动物，以便捕捉第三种动物。
So Kirk's on the river with this guide, a guy named Spencer Seim.
柯克和一位名叫斯宾塞·塞姆 (Spencer Seim) 的向导一起在河上。
This is back in 2011.
这还要追溯到2011年。
And at one point, Spencer reaches down to fetch something out of his tackle box.
有一次，斯宾塞伸手从他的钓具箱里拿出一样东西。
Here's Kirk.
这是柯克。
And I caught this really colorful flash-- really beautiful looking fly.
我捕捉到了这只色彩缤纷的闪光——看起来非常漂亮的苍蝇。
And I asked him what it was.
我问他那是什么。
And he pulls this thing out, and it's a salmon fly.
他把这个东西拿出来，这是一只鲑鱼蝇。
That is, it's used to catch salmon.
也就是说，它是用来捕鲑鱼的。
Kirk had only ever seen trout flies, which are kind of brown or gray.
柯克只见过鳟鱼蝇，它们是棕色或灰色的。
But this thing was intricately tied together with bird feathers and silvery thread, maybe an inch and a half long, kind of a moth-sized peacock, like an Impressionist version of an insect or a dream about an insect.
但这东西是用鸟羽毛和银线错综复杂地绑在一起的，大约一英寸半长，有点像飞蛾大小的孔雀，就像印象派版本的昆虫或关于昆虫的梦。
And it's got these emerald, and canary yellow, and ruby-colored strips from feathers of these exotic birds, maybe 10 or 12 species in total.
这些奇异鸟类的羽毛上有翠绿色、金丝雀黄色和红宝石色的条纹，总共可能有 10 或 12 种。
And they're arranged in this really ornate pattern where the hooklets and the barbules will connect to this.
它们以这种非常华丽的图案排列，钩子和小羽枝将与之相连。
It's really nerdy, yes.
这真的很书呆子，是的。
But I'd never seen anything like it.
但我从未见过这样的事情。
It's a beautiful piece of art.
这是一件美丽的艺术品。
And he then said to me-- he goes, well, if you think that's crazy, you should hear about this kid who just broke into the British Museum of Natural History to steal hundreds of these exotic birds for their feathers, which he sold to Victorian salmon fly tyers, because he wanted to buy a new golden flute.
然后他对我说——他说，好吧，如果你觉得这很疯狂，你应该听听这个孩子刚刚闯入英国自然历史博物馆，偷走了数百只这些奇异鸟类的羽毛，然后他把这些羽毛卖给了维多利亚时代的鲑鱼飞禽，因为他想买一个新的金笛。
An actual flute, a musical instrument made of gold.
真正的长笛，一种金制乐器。
And as soon as he said that-- I mean, I'm not over-dramatizing the moment.
他一这么说——我的意思是，我并没有把这一刻过分戏剧化。
I was in the middle of a cast when he was telling me this, and I just kind of froze.
当他告诉我这件事时，我正在演员阵容中，我有点愣住了。
I was like, this is the craziest sentence I've heard.
我当时想，这是我听过的最疯狂的一句话。
Kirk started plying Spencer with questions on the spot.
柯克当场开始向斯宾塞提问。
He wanted to know everything.
他想知道一切。
So they went back to Spencer's place that night and looked up the kid's profile on Facebook.
于是当晚他们回到了 Spencer 的住处，在 Facebook 上查找了孩子的个人资料。
His name?
他的名字？
Edwin Rist, R-I-S-T.
埃德温·里斯特，R-I-S-T。
And even that didn't seem like a real name to me.
即使这个名字对我来说也不像真名。
It seemed like some 19th century-- you know, he's one of these Victorian boxers.
这看起来像是 19 世纪的事——你知道，他是维多利亚时代的拳击手之一。
Edwin had broken into the museum two years earlier in 2009.
两年前的 2009 年，埃德温闯入了博物馆。
This was a branch of Britain's Natural History Museum in a little town called Tring.
这是英国自然历史博物馆位于特林小镇的分馆。
So Kirk starts Googling around to read everything he can find out about the case.
于是，柯克开始在谷歌上搜索，阅读他能找到的有关此案的所有信息。
But there wasn't much, just a few articles in the British press that covered the basics, which were-- Edwin Rist was from New York originally.
但内容并不多，只有英国媒体上的几篇文章涵盖了基本知识，这些文章是——埃德温·里斯特（Edwin Rist）来自纽约。
He was in London studying music.
他在伦敦学习音乐。
He was exceptionally talented on the flute.
他在长笛方面有着非凡的天赋。
He was only 20 when he stole the birds, 299 of them.
他偷走299只鸟时才20岁。
And not just any dead birds, they were from one of the most important collections in scientific history.
它们不仅仅是任何死去的鸟类，它们来自科学史上最重要的收藏之一。
And also, their feathers would fetch about a million dollars if he took them apart and sold them to salmon fly tyers-- which he did, some of them.
而且，如果他把它们拆开并卖给鲑鱼蝇类，那么它们的羽毛可以卖到大约一百万美元——他确实这么做了，其中一些。
And he was caught.
他被抓住了。
The police arrested him.
警察逮捕了他。
And yet, somehow, he was now walking around free auditioning for orchestras in Europe.
然而，不知何故，他现在正在欧洲各地的管弦乐团免费试镜。
And a huge number of the birds were still unaccounted for.
还有大量鸟类仍然下落不明。
Kirk wanted to understand how this happened, that a 20-year-old flutist with no particular experience in museum larceny made off with some of the most precious specimens in the world.
柯克想了解这是如何发生的，一名 20 岁的长笛演奏家在博物馆盗窃方面没有任何经验，却偷走了一些世界上最珍贵的标本。
And he wondered where the missing birds were.
他想知道失踪的鸟在哪里。
Kirk's guide, Spencer, told him, if you really want to find those specimens, you should get yourself to the 21st annual International Fly Tying Symposium.
柯克的向导斯宾塞告诉他，如果你真的想找到这些标本，你应该参加第 21 届年度国际绑蝇研讨会。
It was in Somerset, New Jersey at the Doubletree Hotel and Conference Center.
地点是新泽西州萨默塞特的双树酒店和会议中心。
About a hundred people were there.
那里约有一百人。
If you've been to any trade show, you can picture it, sort of a maze of booths selling all kinds of fly tying supplies, hooks, thread, feathers.
如果您去过任何贸易展览，您可以想象它，有点像迷宫般的摊位，出售各种绑蝇用品、钩子、线、羽毛。
And you can buy whole birds there, too.
您也可以在那里购买整只鸟。
I went into one guy's booth, and he had a pretty large box just full of parakeet heads.
我走进一个人的摊位，他有一个很大的盒子，里面装满了鹦鹉头。
And all of their beaks were kind of open, like they were chirping at the moment of--
它们所有的喙都张开，就像它们在叽叽喳喳地叫着——
Oh, my god.
哦，天啊。
Kirk Johnson I won't go too gory there, but--
柯克·约翰逊，我不会说得太血腥，但是——
Were you about to say, at the moment of their death?
你是想说，在他们死亡的那一刻吗？
[LAUGHS] Yes, I was.
[笑]是的，我是。
I was actually going to say, at the moment of their decapitation.
我其实想说的是，在他们被斩首的那一刻。
But there are bits of birds everywhere.
但到处都有小鸟。
And the guy with the parakeet heads was busily tying a fly in a hook clamped in a little vise, and attached the feathers with thread, wrapping it around the shaft.
那个长着鹦鹉头的家伙正忙着把一只苍蝇绑在一个夹在小虎钳里的钩子里，并用线把羽毛绑起来，把它缠在轴上。
All of these spectators were gathered around him like he was a sidewalk magician doing a trick.
所有这些观众都聚集在他周围，就像他是一个人行道魔术师在表演魔术一样。
Kirk posed as a customer at first, but the guy could tell he wasn't serious about buying anything.
柯克一开始假扮成顾客，但那家伙看得出来他并不想买任何东西。
So Kirk finally came clean and said to him that he was thinking of writing something about that museum heist.
所以柯克最终坦白了，对他说他正在考虑写一些关于博物馆抢劫案的文章。
And he looks up from his fly, and he said, I don't think you want to write that story.
他从苍蝇上抬起头来，说道，我认为你不想写那个故事。
And I said, no?
我说，不是吗？
Why?
为什么？
And he goes, because we're a small, tight-knit community.
他走了，因为我们是一个小而紧密的社区。
And you do not want to piss us off.
而且你不想惹恼我们。
[LAUGHTER] I was just like momentarily stunned.
[笑声] 我瞬间惊呆了。
But in my mind, I was like, holy cow, this is awesome.
但在我看来，我想，天哪，这太棒了。
This is so--
这是这样的——
[LAUGHTER] Sean Cole Because what would happen if you pissed them off?
[笑声]肖恩·科尔 因为如果你惹怒了他们会发生什么？
I don't normally pull this card out, but I feel like my time in Fallujah has calibrated my threat perception a little bit differently.
我通常不会拿出这张卡，但我觉得我在费卢杰的经历让我对威胁的感知有所不同。
I would imagine.
我会想象。
Kirk Johnson And so a dude with a bunch of feathers pinched between his fingers does not constitute a threat to me.
柯克·约翰逊：所以一个手指间捏着一堆羽毛的家伙对我来说并不构成威胁。
That guy's threat had the exact opposite effect on Kirk than he intended.
那家伙的威胁对柯克产生了与他预想的完全相反的效果。
And something kicked in for Kirk at this point, like it sometimes does when he gets an idea in his head.
这时，柯克突然想到了一些事情，就像他脑子里突然有了一个想法时有时会发生的那样。
To me, it was just a very clear-- you know, a flare fired.
对我来说，这只是一个非常明显的——你知道，一枚照明弹发射了。
Like, if he was trying to turn me away from this story, it was like he had just filled my tank up.
就像，如果他试图让我远离这个故事，就好像他刚刚给我的油箱加满了水一样。
It was like, hey, pay more attention to this.
就像，嘿，多注意一下。
This is crazy.
这太疯狂了。
It is crazy, the stuff Kirk found out.
柯克发现的事情太疯狂了。
You can't turn away once you start hearing all the details, not just about the heist and risk, but where the birds came from and the whole surreal subculture of salmon fly tying, what Kirk calls the feather underground, sometimes characterized by shady dealings and obsession.
一旦你开始听到所有的细节，你就无法转身离开，不仅仅是关于抢劫和风险，还有鸟类从哪里来，以及鲑鱼蝇绑的整个超现实亚文化，柯克称之为地下羽毛，有时以不正当交易和痴迷为特征。
Kirk interviewed more than 50 fly tyers and discovered things that the people investigating the case didn't find out.
柯克采访了 50 多名蝇贩，发现了调查此案的人员没有发现的事情。
And that is our show today, the story of what may be the greatest feather caper in history.
这就是我们今天的节目，讲述可能是历史上最伟大的羽毛雀跃的故事。
Expect high drama and ornithology.
期待精彩的戏剧和鸟类学。
And stay with us.
并留在我们身边。
Act One, The Specimens.
第一幕，样本。
A quick warning that this episode contains a few swear words that we've un-beeped for the podcast version.
快速警告，本集包含一些脏话，我们已在播客版本中取消了这些脏话。
You can find a version with beeps at our website, thisamericanlife.org.
您可以在我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org 上找到带有蜂鸣声的版本。
The birds Edwin stole, I said they were valuable.
埃德温偷的鸟，我说它们很有价值。
Some of them were collected in the mid 1800s by one of the greatest scientific explorers of his time, a man named Alfred Russel Wallace.
其中一些是由当时最伟大的科学探险家之一阿尔弗雷德·拉塞尔·华莱士 (Alfred Russel Wallace) 在 1800 年代中期收集的。
He was like another Darwin and a peer of Darwin's.
他就像另一个达尔文，也是达尔文的同辈。
Alfred Wallace spent nearly a decade thrashing through the Malay archipelago, capturing and preparing animal specimens, and shipping them back to England.
阿尔弗雷德·华莱士花了近十年的时间穿越马来群岛，捕捉和准备动物标本，然后将它们运回英国。
He lived in tiny huts, his flesh regularly invaded by bugs.
他住在狭小的小屋里，他的肉体经常受到虫子的侵袭。
And about four years in, he contracted malaria and figured he would just hunker down in his shack to sweat it out.
大约四年后，他感染了疟疾，并认为他只能蹲在自己的小屋里出汗。
And while he's in the middle of this fever, he has a eureka moment and figures out evolution through natural selection completely on his own.
当他正处于狂热之中时，他突然灵光一现，并完全依靠自己通过自然选择弄清楚了进化论。
He's like, I've got it.
他说，我明白了。
Like, I figured it out.
就像，我想通了。
And this is before Darwin came up with it?
这是在达尔文提出之前吗？
Well, but this is the kicker.
好吧，但这就是关键。
He sits down, and he writes this paper meant for publication.
他坐下来，写下了这篇准备发表的论文。
And he puts it in an envelope, and he mails it to Charles Darwin--
他把它放进一个信封，然后寄给查尔斯·达尔文——
[LAUGHING] --who had never published anything on this yet.
[笑]——谁还没有发表过任何这方面的东西。
Darwin had figured it out, too, at that point, but he had been too scared to put it out there.
达尔文当时也已经弄清楚了这一点，但他太害怕了，不敢把它说出来。
These specimens were as important as Darwin's finches-- which, by the way, are also at the Tring Museum.
这些标本与达尔文雀一样重要——顺便说一句，达尔文雀也收藏在特林博物馆。
They're early evidence of evolutionary theory.
它们是进化论的早期证据。
And specimens like these can inform scientists about everything from climate change to the way we perceive color.
像这样的标本可以让科学家了解从气候变化到我们感知颜色的方式等一切信息。
Scientists are still using them.
科学家们仍在使用它们。
Alfred Wallace himself once wrote that each species, each bird, is an individual letter building the words and sentences that describe the deep history of our planet.
阿尔弗雷德·华莱士本人曾经写道，每个物种、每只鸟都是一个单独的字母，构建着描述我们星球深厚历史的单词和句子。
If we allow these letters to disappear, that history disappears with them.
如果我们让这些字母消失，那么历史也会随之消失。
He also wrote that it's probably best if people from the West never see birds like these in their original habitat in all their beauty and glory because they'd just plunder them and ruin everything.
他还写道，西方人最好永远不要在它们原来的栖息地看到这些鸟类的美丽和荣耀，因为他们只会掠夺它们并毁掉一切。
He had no idea how right he would turn out to be.
他不知道他的观点会变得多么正确。
Not long after, there was an industrialized slaughter all over the world.
不久之后，世界各地爆发了工业化屠杀。
And it was in the name of women's fashion.
这是以女性时尚的名义。
This was back when women wore a lot of hats.
那是在女人戴着很多帽子的时候。
And anyone who was anyone wore hats with a lot of feathers on them, from parrots, egrets, ospreys.
任何有名望的人都戴着帽子，帽子上有很多羽毛，有鹦鹉、白鹭、鱼鹰的羽毛。
Designers in the US and Europe couldn't get enough of this stuff.
美国和欧洲的设计师对这些东西爱不释手。
Whole species were decimated by the fashion industry.
整个物种都被时尚业消灭了。
You'd see hats decorated with entire birds.
你会看到帽子上装饰着整只鸟。
In the 19th century, this was like the Gucci bag.
在19世纪，这就像Gucci包。
If you could only afford a robin, that was one thing.
如果你只能买得起一只知更鸟，那是一回事。
But if you could afford a bird of paradise-- and we're talking about the whole bird being mounted with outstretched wings.
但如果你能买得起一只天堂鸟——我们谈论的是整只鸟都长着张开的翅膀。
And sometimes, these hats had several different birds mounted on them.
有时，这些帽子上会镶上几只不同的鸟。
Holy crow.
圣乌鸦。
[LAUGHS] Sorry.
[笑]抱歉。
Kirk Johnson And it's-- I mean, it is punny, but it was how they demonstrated their own perch in society.
柯克·约翰逊：我的意思是，这很双关，但这就是他们展示自己在社会中的地位的方式。
Some women had so many birds on their hats that they had to squat just in order to fit into their carriages-- so gaudy and inconvenient.
有些妇女的帽子上有很多鸟，她们不得不蹲着才能进入马车，如此俗丽且不方便。
Meanwhile, the gentlemen of the era were also sort of using feathers as accessories.
与此同时，那个时代的绅士们也在某种程度上使用羽毛作为配饰。
Salmon flies were like hats for guys.
鲑鱼蝇就像男人的帽子。
This was also around the time that all these exclusive fishing clubs were popping up on the coasts of England and Scotland.
也就在那时，所有这些高级钓鱼俱乐部都在英格兰和苏格兰海岸涌现。
And each club had its own special patented salmon fly.
每个俱乐部都有自己特殊的专利鲑鱼蝇。
And the flies themselves had all these names.
苍蝇本身也有这些名字。
They're absurd.
他们是荒谬的。
They're like the Exordium, the Jock Scott, the Durham's Ranger.
他们就像Exordium、Jock Scott、Durham's Ranger。
Can I-- I just wanted to--
我可以——我只是想——
Yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊。
Kirk Johnson Just to give people a sense of-- OK, so this is the recipe for the first salmon fly that Edwin ever tied.
柯克·约翰逊 只是为了让人们有一种感觉——好吧，这就是埃德温绑的第一只鲑鱼蝇的配方。
It's called the Durham Ranger.
它被称为达勒姆游骑兵。
This is a recipe from the 1840s.
这是 1840 年代的食谱。
And they call it a recipe?
他们称之为食谱？
Kirk Johnson Yes.
柯克·约翰逊 是的。
The tail calls for feathers from the Indian crow, which is the red rough fruit crow that's all over South America.
尾巴需要印度乌鸦的羽毛，印度乌鸦是遍布南美洲的红色粗果乌鸦。
The butt requires two turns of black ostrich hurl.
屁股需要黑鸵鸟投掷两圈。
The throat has light blue hackle, usually from the cotinga, which is from Central America.
喉咙有浅蓝色的鬃毛，通常来自中美洲的科廷加。
The wings have a pair of long jungle cock feathers with double tibbetts on both sides.
翅膀上有一对长长的丛林公鸡羽毛，两侧有双蒂贝特。
And it goes on like that.
就这样继续下去。
The cheeks are from a bird called a chatterer.
脸颊来自一种叫喋喋不休的鸟。
The horns are blue macaw, which is a parrot.
角是蓝色金刚鹦鹉，是一种鹦鹉。
Of course, back then, when you wanted these feathers, you went down to the local plume merchant-- or in Paris a plumassier-- and you paid real money.
当然，当时，当你想要这些羽毛时，你会去当地的羽毛商人那里——或者在巴黎的羽毛商那里——然后你付真金白银。
Around the year 1900, certain snowy egret feathers were more expensive than gold.
1900年左右，某些雪鹭羽毛比黄金还贵。
But for me, all I kept fixating on was that this is all bullshit.
但对我来说，我一直关注的是这都是废话。
[LAUGHTER] There's no reason why a salmon should care about any of this.
[笑声]鲑鱼没有理由关心这些。
They don't.
他们不这样做。
I mean, you could tie a chocolate wrapper to a hook and catch salmon.
我的意思是，你可以将巧克力包装纸绑在钩子上并捕获鲑鱼。
Oh.
哦。
Kirk Johnson So all of these little subtleties of which subspecies did you use for the cheek of the feather, they don't even see any of that.
柯克·约翰逊（Kirk Johnson）因此，您在羽毛的脸颊上使用了哪个亚种的所有这些细微差别，他们甚至没有看到任何这些。
But that didn't matter to Victorian salmon fly tyers back then.
但这对于当时的维多利亚鲑鱼蝇类来说并不重要。
And these days, the community tying this kind of fly still tries to do it according to the same classical recipes in these 100-year-old manuals.
如今，绑这种苍蝇的社区仍然试图按照这些有 100 年历史的手册中相同的经典食谱来进行。
Except now, they don't even fish with them.
但现在，他们甚至不和他们一起钓鱼。
They're just for show.
他们只是为了作秀。
They use feathers from the same species arranged the same exact way.
他们使用来自同一物种的羽毛，并以完全相同的方式排列。
So the fixation is on historical authenticity, like a fly tying version of civil war reenacting.
因此，人们对历史真实性的关注，就像重演内战的绑苍蝇版本一样。
But because we've murdered so many birds for so many reasons over the years, a lot of the most coveted species are now endangered or protected.
但由于多年来我们出于多种原因杀害了如此多的鸟类，许多最令人垂涎的物种现在已濒临灭绝或受到保护。
There's a species of cotinga that is just completely illegal to buy and sell.
有一种 Cotinga 的买卖是完全非法的。
It's the Cotinga maculata.
这是 Cotinga maculata。
And they completely jones over this stuff.
他们对这些东西非常感兴趣。
I have been struggling to find another hobby whose adherents are so quickly driven to break international laws to do the art.
我一直在努力寻找另一种爱好，它的追随者很快就会被驱使去违反国际法来从事艺术。
I mean, you don't get into the dark side of knitting.
我的意思是，你不会陷入编织的阴暗面。
Of course, not every salmon fly tyer is breaking the law, but some of them openly flout the rules or just ignore them.
当然，并不是所有的鲑鱼飞蝇都违反了法律，但其中一些飞蝇公然藐视规则，或者干脆无视它们。
Violators can be fined thousands of dollars.
违规者可被处以数千美元的罚款。
There was a post on the main web forum for this hobby, classicflytying.com, that sums up this slavish addiction to certain feathers.
在这个爱好的主要网络论坛 classicflytying.com 上有一个帖子，总结了这种对某些羽毛的盲目沉迷。
One guy said, there's something to a fly tied with the old materials.
一个人说，旧材料上绑着一只苍蝇，有什么东西。
And someone else responded, I've met this something.
还有人回答说，我遇到过这个事情。
I'm haunted by it constantly now.
我现在经常被它困扰。
It's like a drug.
这就像毒品一样。
Nothing else matters.
别的都无所谓。
Nothing else compares.
没有什么可以比拟的。
When it touches my fingers, I feel the history.
当它触碰我的手指时，我感受到了历史。
I'm taken back to a time when fish were as big as logs, fresh from the sea, reds, yellows, and shades of blues.
我仿佛回到了鱼儿像木头一样大的时代，刚从海里打捞上来，有红色、黄色和蓝色。
Their texture and color have that power to push you to do your best.
它们的质地和颜色有力量推动你做到最好。
There is nothing else that compares to that power.
没有任何东西可以与这种力量相比。
Act Two, The Flutist.
第二幕，长笛演奏家。
[FLUTE MUSIC PLAYING]
[长笛演奏]
Kirk wanted to talk to the bird thief, Edwin Rist.
柯克想和偷鸟贼埃德温·瑞斯特谈谈。
He emailed him every now and then over the course of three years, asking for an interview.
三年来，他时不时地给他发电子邮件，要求接受采访。
Edwin always said, no, that it was still too raw.
埃德温总是说，不，它还是太生了。
And then finally, he agreed, gave Kirk like a week's notice.
最后，他同意了，提前一周通知柯克。
Kirk and his wife Marie-Josée flew to Dusseldorf where Edwin was living playing in an ensemble, which is the music you're hearing right now.
柯克和他的妻子玛丽-乔西飞往杜塞尔多夫，埃德温在那里居住，在一个合奏团中演奏，这就是你现在听到的音乐。
[ENSEMBLE MUSIC PLAYING] But Marie-Josée was worried.
[合奏音乐] 但玛丽-乔西很担心。
They didn't know this guy.
他们不认识这个人。
He had broken into a museum, after all.
毕竟他闯入了一家博物馆。
Who knew what he was capable of, if he was dangerous?
如果他很危险，谁知道他能做什么？
And they were meeting him at their hotel room.
他们在酒店房间见他。
So they hired a German bodyguard who sat out in the hallway during the eight-hour interview.
因此，他们聘请了一名德国保镖，在八小时的采访期间，他坐在走廊上。
They needn't have bothered.
他们不必费心。
Edwin, while tall, was not imposing, even in his black pea coat.
埃德温虽然身材高大，但即使穿着黑色短大衣，也并不显眼。
He was friendly.
他很友善。
Kirk liked him, though they're very different, Kirk's, oh, gosh farm boy Midwestern-ness and Edwin's living in a rarefied world of flutes and feathers in Europe.
柯克喜欢他，尽管他们很不同，柯克，哦，天哪，中西部的农场男孩，而埃德温生活在欧洲一个充满笛子和羽毛的稀有世界。
We asked Edwin if we could air parts of their interview on the show, and he said, no. So you won't hear his voice.
我们问埃德温是否可以在节目中播出他们采访的部分内容，他说不能。这样你就听不到他的声音了。
But a lot of what we know about how he came to be in the museum that night comes straight from him.
但我们对那天晚上他如何来到博物馆的很多了解都直接来自他。
He grew up in a quiet town in New York State south of Albany.
他在纽约州奥尔巴尼以南的一个安静的小镇长大。
He was cute, looked sort of like Harry Potter with thick, wire-rim glasses, a bit of an indoors-y kid, home schooled along with his younger brother.
他很可爱，看起来有点像哈利·波特，戴着厚厚的金属丝边框眼镜，有点像一个喜欢宅在家里的孩子，和他的弟弟一起在家接受教育。
And even back then, he was shaping up to be a great musician.
即使在那时，他也正在成为一名伟大的音乐家。
Edwin's parents were both journalists.
埃德温的父母都是记者。
And when Edwin was about 10, his dad was researching a story for Discover Magazine about the physics of fly casting.
当埃德温大约 10 岁的时候，他的父亲正在为《发现》杂志研究一篇关于飞蝇投掷物理学的故事。
So Edwin happened to watch an instructional video on how to tie flies using this specific kind of feather called a hackle.
所以埃德温碰巧观看了一个关于如何使用这种称为硬毛的特殊羽毛来绑苍蝇的教学视频。
--but let's tie the hackle around the base of the wing so that it floats lower in the surface and perhaps looks like a mayfly at rest.
——但是让我们把硬毛绑在翅膀的底部，这样它就漂浮在水面较低的位置，也许看起来像一只静止的蜉蝣。
And the feather is transformed.
羽毛也发生了变化。
It's suddenly, the hook has like a thousand little legs sticking out in every different direction.
突然间，钩子就像有一千条小腿向各个不同的方向伸出。
Yes.
是的。
And for whatever reason, 10-year-old Edwin's brain was just frozen by this.
不管出于什么原因，10岁的埃德温的大脑都被冻结了。
Seeing something so ordinary transform into something extraordinary like that was amazing to him.
看到如此平凡的事物转变为如此非凡的事物对他来说是令人惊奇的。
Edwin told Kirk that he and his brother watched that part of the video maybe eight times.
埃德温告诉柯克，他和他的兄弟看了视频的这一部分大约八次。
And soon, he was rummaging through the garage and the basement looking for a hook and thread, anything he could find to try it himself.
很快，他就在车库和地下室里翻箱倒柜，寻找钩子和线，以及任何他能找到的东西来亲自尝试。
He plucked the feathers from his mom's down pillow.
他从妈妈的羽绒枕头上拔下了羽毛。
His dad, seeing all of this, finally brought Edwin to a tackle shop, got him a vise, and some hooks, and other materials, so he could start tying flies for real-- trout flies to begin with, the ugly ones.
他的父亲看到了这一切，最后把埃德温带到了一家渔具店，给他买了一把虎钳、一些钩子和其他材料，这样他就可以开始真正地绑苍蝇了——首先是鳟鱼苍蝇，那些丑陋的苍蝇。
Edwin's brother got into it, too.
埃德温的兄弟也参与其中。
They took classes, spent hours hunkered over their creations in this kind of fuzzy trance.
他们上课，花几个小时在这种模糊的恍惚状态下专注于自己的创作。
Before too long, they were winning fly tying competitions and going to conventions.
不久之后，他们就赢得了绑蝇比赛并参加了会议。
And it was at one of those conventions where Edwin laid eyes on his first salmon fly.
正是在其中一次会议上，埃德温第一次见到了鲑鱼蝇。
It was at the booth of a prominent fly tyer named Edward Muzeroll, or Muzzy for short.
那是在一位名叫爱德华·穆泽罗尔（Edward Muzeroll）（简称 Muzzy）的著名飞蝇贩的摊位上。
And once again, little Edwin's mind just froze.
小埃德温的思绪再一次僵住了。
It was the same reaction Kirk had that day on the water, total bedazzlement.
这和柯克那天在水上的反应一样，完全眼花缭乱。
And he's kind of oohing and aahing.
他有点哇哦。
And he starts talking to Muzzy.
他开始和穆兹说话。
And then, before you know it, he's arranging for private lessons with Muzzy to learn how to do this new type of fly tying-- new to Edwin.
然后，在你意识到之前，他正在安排穆兹的私人课程，学习如何进行这种新型的飞蝇绑法——这对埃德温来说是新的。
And so I think he was 14 when he went up to Maine one summer and got lessons.
所以我想，有一年夏天，他去缅因州上课时，他才 14 岁。
I think it was eight or 12 hour days where Muzzy proceeded to walk him through not just the techniques but the history of this art form.
我认为 Muzzy 每天花了 8 到 12 个小时，不仅向他介绍了这种艺术形式的技术，还介绍了它的历史。
During that first tutorial with Muzzy, though, where Edwin tied the Durham Ranger, they used substitute feathers or subs, meaning no red-ruffed fruitcrow, no black ostrich herl.
不过，在 Muzzy 的第一个教程中，埃德温绑了达勒姆游骑兵，他们使用了替代羽毛或替代品，这意味着没有红领果鸦，没有黑色鸵鸟赫尔。
Instead, they used, like, dyed chicken feathers or whatever.
相反，他们使用染色鸡毛之类的东西。
And Muzzy, who'd been tying flies longer than Edwin had been alive, could tell right away that Edwin was a natural, a prodigy.
穆兹绑苍蝇的时间比埃德温还活着的时间还要长，他立刻就看出埃德温是一个天生的天才。
And so at the end of that first session, when Muzzy's saying goodbye, he gives Edwin an envelope and kind of in hushed tones said, this is what it's all about.
因此，在第一堂课结束时，当 Muzzy 说再见时，他给了 Edwin 一个信封，并低声说道，这就是全部内容。
Edwin opens the envelope.
埃德温打开信封。
And inside is $150 or $200 worth of exotic bird feathers.
里面是价值 150 或 200 美元的珍奇鸟类羽毛。
From the red-ruffed fruitcrow and from cotinga, I think.
我想是来自红颈果鸦和柯廷加。
Now Muzzy's stuff was legal.
现在穆兹的东西是合法的了。
And it was a gesture to this young acolyte, almost like, work your way up to these things.
这是对这位年轻助手的一种姿态，几乎就像是，努力做到这些。
You know?
你知道？
Like, when you get good enough, try using one of these red-ruffed fruitcrow feathers.
就像，当你足够优秀时，尝试使用其中一根红颈果鸦羽毛。
And that's when Edwin caught the bug.
就在那时，埃德温发现了这个问题。
All he wanted to use in his flies were exotic bird feathers from then on.
从那时起，他只想在苍蝇中使用异国鸟类的羽毛。
He started doing chores for his neighbors, gathering firewood, just for a little extra feather money.
他开始为邻居做家务，捡柴火，只是为了一点额外的羽毛钱。
He soon grew into a master fly tyer-- which, by the way, means an expert mimmicker-- able to consistently and perfectly hew to the same classic recipes again and again.
他很快就成长为飞蝇大师——顺便说一句，这意味着模仿专家——能够一次又一次地始终如一地、完美地遵循相同的经典食谱。
But there was always this one limitation as to what he could accomplish.
但他所能实现的目标始终存在这一限制。
As good as Edwin got-- and I mean, he was heralded as the future of fly tying by Fly Tyer Magazine, which I subscribe to.
埃德温（Edwin）表现出色，我的意思是，他被我订阅的《Fly Tyer》杂志誉为飞蝇绑法的未来。
Of course, you do.
当然，你会的。
Kirk Johnson You know, he was completely embraced by this community by his 16th birthday, I think.
柯克·约翰逊（Kirk Johnson）你知道，我想他在 16 岁生日时就完全被这个社区所拥抱了。
I mean, he was a legend already.
我的意思是，他已经是一个传奇了。
But as good as he was, he was a 16-year-old who wasn't really flush with cash.
但尽管他很优秀，他还是一个 16 岁的年轻人，现金并不充裕。
And so whenever there were these occasional eBay auctions of the species that he wanted, he always got outbid by these wealthier, older fly tyers who had disposable income.
因此，每当 eBay 偶尔拍卖他想要的物种时，他的出价总是会被那些拥有可支配收入的较富有、年长的苍蝇爱好者出价高出。
And so his devotion to this art form was kind of always defined by a longing for what he didn't have.
因此，他对这种艺术形式的热爱总是源于对他所没有的东西的渴望。
These other guys would say, yeah, well, it's a good fly, but talk to me when you get some real cotinga.
其他人会说，是的，好吧，这是一只很好的苍蝇，但是当你得到一些真正的苍蝇时，请告诉我。
No. Sean Cole Especially to a kid.
不，肖恩·科尔尤其是对一个孩子来说。
Edwin has this specific way of talking, perhaps cultivated from living in Europe for many years.
埃德温有这种独特的说话方式，也许是在欧洲生活多年养成的。
And on the topic of using substitute feathers instead of the real thing, he told Kirk, the knowledge of its falsity eats at you.
关于使用替代羽毛代替真实羽毛的话题，他告诉柯克，了解它的虚假性会让你感到厌烦。
So in a way, Edwin was a pauper musician gazing through a shop window at a shiny musical instrument-- which, by the way, he literally was that, too.
因此，在某种程度上，埃德温是一位穷困的音乐家，透过商店橱窗凝视着闪亮的乐器——顺便说一句，他确实也是这样。
At the same time he was excelling at fly tying, he was also excelling at the flute.
在他擅长飞绳打法的同时，他也擅长吹笛子。
Just to give you a sense, this is a YouTube video Edwin posted of him covering "Master of Puppets" by Metallica, playing all the parts on different flutes.
为了让您有一个感觉，这是 Edwin 发布的 YouTube 视频，视频中他翻唱了 Metallica 的《Master of Puppets》，并用不同的长笛演奏了所有部分。
[MUSIC - "MASTER OF PUPPETS" BY METALLICA]
[音乐 - METALLICA 的《木偶大师》]
Anyway, he was finally admitted to the Royal Academy of Music in London, but he didn't bring any of his fly tying gear or feathers with him.
不管怎样，他最终被伦敦皇家音乐学院录取，但他没有带任何飞蝇绑具或羽毛。
He said, Customs wouldn't have appreciated his birdy bag.
他说，海关不会欣赏他的小鸟包。
Around the same time, a fly tying friend in Canada-- and something of a mentor to Edwin-- sent him an email saying basically, hey, while you're over there, you've got to check out this place north of London, a branch of the Natural History Museum in a town called Tring.
大约在同一时间，加拿大的一位系苍蝇的朋友——埃德温的导师——给他发了一封电子邮件，基本上说，嘿，当你在那里时，你必须去看看伦敦北部的这个地方，这是自然历史博物馆在一个叫特林的小镇的分馆。
He attached pictures of drawers filled with brilliantly colorful bird specimens.
他附上了抽屉的照片，里面装满了色彩鲜艳的鸟类标本。
They weren't on display.
他们没有展出。
They were stored away in a special wing of the museum that the general public isn't allowed into.
它们被存放在博物馆的一个特殊侧翼中，一般公众不得进入。
Act Three, The Museum.
第三幕，博物馆。
The Tring is this big, old brick Tudor building from the 1880s.
Tring 是一座建于 1880 年代的大型古老砖砌都铎式建筑。
On the outside, it looks more like a private mansion or a boy's school than a museum.
从外面看，它看起来更像是一座私人宅邸或一所男子学校，而不是博物馆。
The only way you can see that special bird collection is for legitimate research purposes.
您可以看到特殊鸟类收藏的唯一方法是用于合法的研究目的。
So Edwin came up with a plan, a lie.
于是埃德温想出了一个计划，一个谎言。
He emailed the museum and told them he needed to photograph the birds for a friend's PhD thesis.
他给博物馆发了电子邮件，告诉他们他需要为朋友的博士论文拍摄这些鸟类。
And on November 5, 2008, he brought a camera to the museum, signed the visitor logbook using his own name, and was escorted to the Birds of Paradise Collection.
2008年11月5日，他带着相机来到博物馆，用自己的名字在参观日志上签名，然后被护送到天堂鸟收藏馆。
You can tell a research specimen of a bird from a mile away.
你可以从一英里外分辨出一只鸟的研究标本。
Their eye sockets are stuffed with cotton, their wings folded down at their sides, legs stiff.
它们的眼窝里塞满了棉花，翅膀折叠在身体两侧，双腿僵硬。
They're referred to as bird skins.
它们被称为鸟皮。
And importantly, the legs have these tags attached to them with the species, and date, and other bio-data, and, in this case, Alfred Wallace's signature.
重要的是，腿上贴有这些标签，上面有物种、日期和其他生物数据，在这种情况下，还有阿尔弗雷德·华莱士的签名。
Without that tag, the specimen isn't a specimen anymore.
没有这个标签，标本就不再是标本了。
It's just a bird.
它只是一只鸟。
Who knows where the hell it came from?
谁知道它到底是从哪里来的？
But research, of course, was the last thing on Edwin's mind, looking at the birds.
但当然，埃德温最不想做的事情就是研究鸟类。
He was just in awe of their arresting beauty.
他只是对它们引人注目的美丽感到敬畏。
He made this analogy.
他做了这样的比喻。
He said, if I put a gold brick on the table, it's really impressive.
他说，如果我把一块金砖放在桌子上，那真是令人印象深刻。
There's a shock value of understanding, wow, that's really valuable.
理解有一种令人震惊的价值，哇，这真的很有价值。
And then this is what he told me.
然后这就是他告诉我的。
He goes, if you go to Fort Knox, if you go into the vault, there's a drastically different feeling than just seeing a gold brick.
他说，如果你去诺克斯堡，如果你进入金库，会有一种与仅仅看到金砖截然不同的感觉。
Quote, "For a fly tyer, for someone who understands the feathers, and sees the potential in them, and who really has a passion-- I guess you could call it an obsession.
引用：“对于一只飞蝇来说，对于那些了解羽毛、看到羽毛潜力、真正有热情的人来说——我想你可以称之为痴迷。
I don't like to use it, because it sounds like a negative term-- "but that overwhelming, wow, what have I just seen feeling was all that I had.
我不喜欢用它，因为它听起来像是一个消极的术语——“但是那种压倒性的，哇，我刚刚看到的感觉就是我所拥有的一切。
And I remember it to this point, because it was just so extraordinary.
我至今还记得这件事，因为它实在是太非凡了。
And the sad thing," he told me, "is that many, many, many-- well, most people have no idea what that feels like."
可悲的是，”他告诉我，“很多、很多、很多——好吧，大多数人都不知道那是什么感觉。”
Edwin photographed all sorts of different species of birds that day.
埃德温那天拍摄了各种不同种类的鸟类。
And he says he wasn't casing the museum that first time.
他说他不是第一次参观博物馆。
He just wanted to look.
他只是想看看。
Except he also took pictures of the area around the museum.
除此之外，他还拍摄了博物馆周围地区的照片。
Those surely were not interesting photographs, but they may have proved useful later on.
这些肯定不是有趣的照片，但它们后来可能被证明是有用的。
Oh, and also--
哦，还有——
He opens up Microsoft Word on his computer and creates a file called PlanforMuseumInvasion.doc.
他在计算机上打开 Microsoft Word 并创建一个名为 PlanforMuseumInvasion.doc 的文件。
I swear to god.
我向上帝发誓。
Sean Cole That's a little on the nose.
肖恩·科尔：这有点让人恼火。
I know.
我知道。
But you don't think anyone's ever going to see your hard drive, you know?
但你认为任何人都不会看到你的硬盘，你知道吗？
In some ways, it's a smart thing to do, to build a list of the things that you're going to need to pull off a museum heist.
从某些方面来说，列出完成博物馆抢劫所需的物品清单是一件明智的事情。
You don't want to just wing that.
你不想只是即兴发挥。
Wing it?
翼它？
Hey-o!
嘿哦！
Kirk Johnson No, but I mean, he wrote on there that he would need a glass cutter.
柯克·约翰逊 不，但我的意思是，他在那里写道他需要一把玻璃刀。
And I said, was this like one of those things you see in the movie where it's some perfect, disk-shaped glass that's cut?
我说，这就像你在电影中看到的那些东西之一，它是一些完美的、经过切割的圆盘形玻璃吗？
Yeah.
是的。
And it was just like a handheld-- almost like an X-ACTO knife.
它就像一个手持设备——几乎就像一把 X-ACTO 刀。
And I was like, well, did you practice?
我就想，好吧，你练习了吗？
And he's like, no. I didn't think is going to be that hard.
他说，不。我没想到会那么难。
The evening of June 23, 2009, Edwin finished playing a concert at the Royal Academy of Music and boarded a train to Tring.
2009年6月23日晚，埃德温结束了在皇家音乐学院的音乐会，登上了前往特林的火车。
According to him, he brought along only one empty suitcase, a pair of latex gloves he took from his doctor's office, some wire clippers, a little LED light, and the glass cutter.
据他说，他只带了一个空行李箱、一副从医生办公室拿来的乳胶手套、一些钢丝钳、一盏小LED灯和玻璃刀。
Act Four, The Heist.
第四幕，抢劫。
Adele Hopkin So Edwin came up from the station, he's saying on foot, with his suitcase on the night.
阿黛尔·霍普金 于是，埃德温晚上从车站步行过来，带着手提箱。
Obviously, he'd been up here before.
显然，他以前来过这里。
The detective on the case, Adele Hopkin, took Kirk to the crime scene, up public footpath 37 in Tring, to a secluded area outside the museum.
负责此案的侦探阿黛尔·霍普金 (Adele Hopkin) 带柯克前往犯罪现场，沿着特林 37 号公共人行道，到达博物馆外的一个僻静区域。
--and then came along here.
——然后就来到了这里。
And then he's saying he shimmied up this wall-- which is doable-- up here onto the top.
然后他说他摇摇晃晃地爬上了这堵墙——这是可行的——到了顶部。
He clips some strands of barbed wire in order to get to a window.
他剪断了几股带刺铁丝网，以便到达窗户。
This window here, which has now got the bars.
这里的这个窗户现在已经有栏杆了。
And was the reason he brought the glass cutter, which, it turns out, he dropped along the way somewhere.
这就是他带来玻璃刀的原因，事实证明，他在途中的某个地方掉下了玻璃刀。
He had a moment of doubt where he started saying to himself, maybe that's some kind of sign that I'm not supposed to do this.
他有一瞬间的怀疑，他开始对自己说，也许这表明我不应该这样做。
Like, maybe I should just bail on this whole thing.
就像，也许我应该放弃这整件事。
But then this other voice in his head said, no, you've been planning this forever.
但随后他脑海中的另一个声音说，不，你一直在计划这件事。
Just figure it out.
弄清楚吧。
So he used a different kind of glass cutter, a giant rock.
所以他使用了另一种玻璃切割机，一块巨大的岩石。
--and then just smashed one of the windows and then went in.
——然后就砸碎了一扇窗户然后进去了。
Edwin says he's not sure how he didn't cut himself up on the glass.
埃德温说他不知道自己为什么没有被玻璃割伤。
And an alarm is triggered in the museum.
博物馆里响起了警报。
And there is a security guard there that night.
那天晚上那里有一名保安。
This is a very contentious point, but Edwin told me that he thinks that the security guard was engrossed in a soccer match.
这是一个非常有争议的观点，但埃德温告诉我，他认为保安正在全神贯注地观看足球比赛。
The museum virulently denies this.
博物馆恶毒地否认了这一点。
And they told me, that particular security guard doesn't even like soccer.
他们告诉我，那个保安甚至不喜欢足球。
But one thing that we're certain of is that an alarm was triggered.
但我们可以确定的一件事是警报被触发了。
The security guard did not notice it.
保安没有注意到。
And Edwin had the run of the place.
埃德温掌控着这个地方。
And he was in there undetected for at least an hour.
他在那里待了至少一个小时而不被发现。
It was a weirdly easy thing to pull off.
这是一件异常容易完成的事情。
His plan had just been to take a couple of the best specimens of each species.
他的计划只是采集每个物种中最好的几个样本。
But in the dark, with just his little LED pinch light, he couldn't see which were the best ones.
但在黑暗中，仅靠他的小 LED 夹灯，他无法看出哪些是最好的。
So he just started grabbing whatever he could fit in his hands.
于是他开始抓起手上能抓到的东西。
The cotingas were small.
科廷加很小。
He bagged about 100 of those.
他装了大约 100 个。
The resplendent quetzals, though, were trickier.
然而，华丽的绿咬鹃则更棘手。
He had to carefully coil their long tails in order to make them fit.
他必须小心地卷起它们的长尾巴，以使它们合身。
He moved from cabinet to cabinet, sometimes emptying whole drawers-- or nearly.
他从一个柜子搬到另一个柜子，有时甚至清空了整个抽屉——或者几乎清空了。
He took 47 of the museum's 48 red-ruffed fruitcrow.
他拿走了博物馆 48 只红领果鸦中的 47 只。
He only left the last one because he didn't see it wedged in the back of the tray.
他只留下了最后一个，因为他没有看到它卡在托盘后面。
Because he's been here before, he knew exactly where to go for what he wanted, filled up his suitcase-- you wouldn't believe it, would you-- and just walked back to the train station.
因为他以前来过这里，所以他清楚地知道去哪里买他想要的东西，装满他的手提箱——你不会相信，对吧——然后走回火车站。
Kirk tried to get Edwin to describe the feeling that he had loading the birds into the suitcase.
柯克试图让埃德温描述他将鸟儿装进手提箱的感觉。
But sitting together in the hotel in Dusseldorf, Edwin was strangely devoid on this score.
但奇怪的是，坐在杜塞尔多夫的旅馆里，埃德温在这一点上却一无所知。
He told Kirk, it wasn't like, ah, they're mine now, ho, ho, ho.
他告诉柯克，这不像，啊，它们现在是我的了，嗬，嗬，嗬。
It was surprisingly unexciting and technical.
令人惊讶的是，它既不令人兴奋，又缺乏技术性。
Like, how do I make them fit?
比如，我该如何让它们合适？
Though, he did admit that even he was amazed he managed to pull it off.
不过，他确实承认，就连他自己也很惊讶自己竟然成功了。
Edwin said, quote, "the fact that essentially an idiot with a rock could steal a suitcase full of birds from the Natural History Museum, even as I think about it-- and I've thought about this myself-- it's absurd."
埃德温说，“事实上，一个拿着石头的白痴就能从自然历史博物馆偷走装满鸟类的手提箱，即使我想到了这一点——我自己也想过这一点——这是荒谬的。”
And then he went out the way he came in, shoved the suitcase back out of the window first, and climbed out after it.
然后他就按进来的路出去了，先把行李箱推到窗外，然后又爬了出去。
At which point, this total exhaustion fell over him, dragging one foot after the other back to town.
这时，他彻底疲惫不堪，拖着一只脚又拖着另一只脚回到城里。
And mixed in with the fatigue was paranoia.
与疲劳混合在一起的是偏执狂。
When he got to the train platform, every set of footfalls on the walkway above him was a potential threat.
当他到达火车站台时，他上方人行道上的每一个脚步声都是潜在的威胁。
And he was there for hours.
他在那里待了几个小时。
He had missed the last train back to London that night and had to sit on the platform with a million dollars worth of birds until 4:00 in the morning.
那天晚上他错过了返回伦敦的最后一班火车，不得不带着价值100万美元的鸟儿坐在站台上直到凌晨4:00。
He got back to his room, had this kind of euphoric moment where he laid out all the birds and realized the success of his haul.
他回到自己的房间，度过了一种欣喜的时刻，他把所有的鸟都摆好了，并意识到他的捕获成功了。
On the floor, or where?
在地板上，还是在哪里？
Kirk Johnson I think he laid them out on his bed.
柯克·约翰逊（Kirk Johnson）我认为他把它们放在床上。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Did he like roll around in the dead birds?
他喜欢在死鸟里打滚吗？
[LAUGHS] That, I don't know.
[笑]那，我不知道。
But there was nobody else on planet Earth that had this many flawless specimens of these species.
但地球上没有其他人拥有这么多这些物种的完美标本。
To now be sitting with this haul, like, he would punch through to the highest level of fly tying because he wouldn't want for anything.
现在，他坐在这堆东西上，就像，他会冲破飞蝇绑扎的最高水平，因为他不想要任何东西。
And he would just have this kind of-- you're totally in a different game now, and no one else is able to play with it, you know?
他就会有这种——你现在完全处于不同的游戏中，没有其他人能够玩它，你知道吗？
And if they wanted to play, they'd have to pay through the nose.
如果他们想玩，就必须付出高昂的代价。
Again, Edwin had stolen 299 birds from the museum.
埃德温再次从博物馆偷走了 299 只鸟。
He would never have to wonder again where his next feather was coming from.
他再也不用怀疑他的下一根羽毛是从哪里来的了。
The broken window wasn't discovered until the following morning.
直到第二天早上，破碎的窗户才被发现。
The cops were called in.
警察被叫了进来。
They look around, and the museum and the cops together conclude that nothing seems to have been stolen.
他们环顾四周，博物馆和警察共同得出结论：似乎没有任何东西被盗。
Wait.
等等。
What?
什么？
Kirk Johnson Yeah.
柯克·约翰逊 是的。
They went looking for the things that they knew had a huge market value, like Darwin's birds.
他们去寻找那些他们知道具有巨大市场价值的东西，比如达尔文的鸟类。
Darwin's birds, the famous finches, which were still safely cuddled in their drawer.
达尔文的鸟类，著名的雀类，它们仍然安全地依偎在抽屉里。
Once again, Alfred Wallace was second best to Darwin.
阿尔弗雷德·华莱士再次仅次于达尔文。
Yeah.
是的。
Sean Cole I went through all that.
肖恩·科尔 我经历了这一切。
To me, it was like one of the final blows to him is that, if they had cared about Wallace as much as they should, they would have gone and checked to make sure that Wallace's birds were still there.
对我来说，这就像对他的最后一击是，如果他们尽可能关心华莱士，他们就会去检查以确保华莱士的鸽子还在那里。
But they didn't.
但他们没有。
And if they had done that, they would have found out right away that they had been robbed.
如果他们这样做了，他们就会立刻发现自己被抢劫了。
They would have had a big head start on things.
他们本来可以在事情上取得很大的领先优势。
But as it happened, it took them almost-- it was well over a month before they even found out that they were robbed.
但事实上，他们几乎花了一个多月的时间才发现自己被抢劫了。
35 days, in fact.
事实上，35天。
The closed circuit surveillance cameras in the town of Tring reset after 28 days.
特林镇的闭路监控摄像头在28天后重置。
In a statement to us, the museum said-- I'm paraphrasing here-- that there's nothing more important than the security and welfare of the collection.
在给我们的一份声明中，博物馆说——我在这里解释一下——没有什么比藏品的安全和福利更重要的了。
And after the theft, they changed how they grant access to the collections and also beefed up their security measures.
盗窃案发生后，他们改变了访问藏品的方式，并加强了安全措施。
Act Five, The Investigation.
第五幕，调查。
It was only when someone wrote to the museum with a question about one of the species that a curator went to that cabinet, opened the drawer, and saw that it was empty.
只有当有人写信给博物馆询问有关其中一个物种的问题时，馆长才走到那个柜子前，打开抽屉，发现里面是空的。
It was a huge blow.
这是一个巨大的打击。
The curators at the Tring are part of a long lineage caring for and protecting this collection.
特林博物馆的策展人是关心和保护这些藏品的悠久血统的一部分。
During the Blitz of London in World War II, bombs raining down everywhere, it was their predecessors who bundled up the museum's bird specimens and secreted them out of the city up to their new location in Tring.
二战伦敦闪电战期间，炸弹如雨点般落下，正是他们的前辈将博物馆的鸟类标本打包并秘密运出伦敦，运至特林的新址。
That's why they're there, so they'd be safe.
这就是他们在那里的原因，这样他们就安全了。
And now, under the watch of collections manager Robert Prys-Jones, this happened.
现在，在收藏经理罗伯特·普莱斯-琼斯的监督下，这一切发生了。
There is a missing chunk from the record.
记录中缺少一块。
And in something like [INAUDIBLE] bird, it is a missing chunk that-- you know, a really substantial-- possibly over the half of the world's resource of that species is now missing.
对于像[听不清]鸟类这样的东西，它是一个缺失的部分——你知道，这是一个非常重要的部分——现在可能超过世界上该物种资源的一半以上。
The whole thing was a complete kick in the guts.
整件事简直就是一场彻头彻尾的打击。
It was desperately, deeply depressing.
这是绝望的、深深的沮丧。
Alfred Wallace's birds survived Hitler, but not Edwin Rist.
阿尔弗雷德·华莱士的鸟儿在希特勒的统治下幸存下来，但埃德温·里斯特却未能幸存。
The investigators didn't have a lot of obvious clues to go on.
调查人员没有太多明显的线索可以继续下去。
There was almost no physical evidence.
几乎没有任何实物证据。
But had the police or the museum looked in the visitors log, they would have found Edwin's full name, which, if someone had Googled it, they would have found edwinrist.com, on which he was selling some of their specimens, using their Latin names.
但是，如果警察或博物馆查看游客日志，他们就会找到埃德温的全名，如果有人用谷歌搜索，他们就会找到 edwinrist.com，他在该网站上使用拉丁名字出售一些标本。
They also would have quickly discovered that he played the flute.
他们也会很快发现他吹长笛。
And if they had gone looking for the birds on eBay or the fly tying forums, they would have found birds for sale from someone with the handle FlutePlayer1988.
如果他们在 eBay 或绑蝇论坛上寻找鸟类，他们会发现从一个名为 FutePlayer1988 的人那里出售的鸟类。
One of the posts was titled, "Indian crow feathers for sale-- buying new flute." If any of the buyers asked, Edwin made up stories as to where the birds came from.
其中一篇帖子的标题是“出售印度乌鸦羽毛——购买新笛子”。如果有买家问起，埃德温就会编造这些鸟来自哪里的故事。
But mostly, no one asked.
但大多数情况下，没有人问。
They didn't want to know.
他们不想知道。
The way Edwin finally got caught was sort of random.
埃德温最终被捕的方式有点随机。
A tip came in from a fly tyer who had seen a bird skin at a festival-- in the Netherlands of all places-- that looked like it might have come from the Tring.
一位蝇贩收到了一条消息，他在荷兰各地的一个节日上看到了一张鸟皮，看起来可能来自特林。
And the guy traced it back to FlutePlayer1988 on eBay.
那家伙在 eBay 上将其追溯到 FrudePlayer1988。
It took some doing, but the police finally tracked Edwin down and showed up at his apartment with a warrant, one year after the break-in.
经过一番努力，警察终于找到了埃德温，并在闯入事件一年后带着逮捕令出现在他的公寓。
He confessed immediately.
他立即承认了。
Brought the officers into his bedroom where his girlfriend was still sleeping and showed them the birds.
把警察带到他的卧室，他的女朋友还在睡觉，并向他们展示了这些鸟。
Since he confessed and plead guilty, the case went right to sentencing.
由于他认罪并认罪，案件进入宣判阶段。
Edwin was looking at 10 years for burglary and 14 years for selling stolen goods.
埃德温因盗窃罪被判处 10 年徒刑，因贩卖赃物罪被判处 14 年徒刑。
But during the sentencing process, Edwin's lawyers brought in a psychologist who diagnosed him with Asperger's syndrome.
但在宣判过程中，埃德温的律师请来了一位心理学家，诊断他患有阿斯伯格综合症。
That changed everything.
这改变了一切。
The judge in his statement said that Edwin's crime wholly merited a lengthy prison sentence.
法官在声明中表示，埃德温的罪行完全值得判处长期监禁。
He said the crime amounted to, quote, "a natural history disaster of world proportions." But he said, because of the diagnosis and a legal precedent in the UK involving Asperger's, a long prison sentence would probably be overturned on appeal.
他说，这起犯罪事件相当于“世界范围内的自然历史灾难”。但他表示，由于这一诊断以及英国涉及阿斯伯格症的法律先例，长期监禁刑期可能会在上诉时被推翻。
So he sentenced Edwin to one year, suspended.
于是他判处埃德温一年徒刑，缓期执行。
There was a financial penalty, too, but no time behind bars.
也有经济处罚，但没有时间入狱。
Of the 299 birds, a third of them came back to the Tring unscathed.
在 299 只鸟中，有三分之一毫发无伤地回到特林。
Another third had been plucked at, or dismantled, or in some way compromised.
另外三分之一已被拔除、拆除或以某种方式受到损害。
Chiefly, their bio-data tags had been removed with the date, and species, and Alfred Wallace's signature, which meant those specimens were now useless to science.
主要是，它们的生物数据标签上的日期、物种以及阿尔弗雷德·华莱士的签名都被删除了，这意味着这些标本现在对科学毫无用处。
And the last third did not come back to the museum.
最后三分之一没有回到博物馆。
They were gone, missing.
他们走了，失踪了。
Some of them were sold, but certainly not all of them.
其中一些被出售，但肯定不是全部。
Where were they?
他们在哪里？
When Edwin was caught, he pleaded his guilt, which meant that the investigation stopped, and there was no search for anything else.
当埃德温被捕后，他承认了自己的罪行，这意味着调查停止了，并且没有进行任何其他搜索。
The museum wasn't looking for it.
博物馆并没有寻找它。
The British police wasn't looking for it.
英国警方并没有寻找它。
And as I was starting to dig around in these forums-- and I would see occasions of guys cracking jokes about the heist, and it wasn't like it was a reformed community-- I was like, this is nuts.
当我开始在这些论坛上挖掘时——我会看到有人就抢劫事件开玩笑，而且这不像是一个改革后的社区——我当时想，这太疯狂了。
Someone's got to find these things.
必须有人找到这些东西。
And Kirk is someone who can't stop himself when he comes across an injustice that he might actually be able to fix.
柯克是一个当他遇到他实际上能够解决的不公正现象时无法阻止自己的人。
Also, this unsettling thing happened during the interview.
另外，在采访过程中还发生了一件令人不安的事情。
Kirk says Edwin just didn't seem like someone with Asperger's.
柯克说埃德温看起来不像患有阿斯伯格症的人。
And after six of their eight hours together, he told him so.
在他们在一起的八个小时中的六个小时之后，他告诉了他这一点。
Edwin responded that he hadn't exhibited any obvious symptoms of the disorder until he was in the evaluation room, not long before sentencing.
埃德温回答说，直到宣判前不久，他进入评估室，才表现出任何明显的疾病症状。
He said, I became exactly what I was supposed to be.
他说，我变成了我应该成为的样子。
If I'm being honest, I was pissed off.
老实说，我很生气。
Like, this started out as just a quirky, funny story to me.
就像，这对我来说只是一个离奇、有趣的故事。
But when I learned about Wallace, when I learned about the debt that we have to these specimen collections and that they were still out there-- a lot of them were still missing-- then it took on a more serious valence where suddenly I was like, OK, this isn't just like a funny thing.
但当我了解华莱士时，当我了解到我们对这些标本收藏负有责任，而且它们仍然在那里——其中很多仍然失踪——然后它就呈现出一种更严肃的价态，突然我想，好吧，这不仅仅是一件有趣的事情。
You can't go back and get another bird from 1860 anymore.
你不能再回去买另一只 1860 年的鸟了。
That bird's gone.
那只鸟不见了。
And what I met was a kid who was not remorseful, who kind of grimaced when I referred to him as a thief at one point.
我遇到的是一个毫无悔意的孩子，当我有一次称他为小偷时，他做了个鬼脸。
And he told me that he doesn't think of himself as a thief.
他告诉我他不认为自己是小偷。
Are we at the anger level at this point?
我们现在处于愤怒的程度吗？
Like, probably approaching there.
就像，可能正在接近那里。
Because now it's as if this is a case closed.
因为现在这件事好像已经结案了。
And no one's looking for these birds.
没有人在寻找这些鸟。
And I'm still on these forums seeing people trading and selling things that look suspiciously like Edwin's birds.
我仍然在这些论坛上看到人们交易和出售看起来可疑地像埃德温的鸟的东西。
Had Edwin hidden a bunch away and was still selling them?
埃德温藏了一堆还在卖吗？
Was someone else selling them?
是其他人卖的吗？
Kirk couldn't let it go.
柯克无法放手。
And then he had a kind of breakthrough and became certain that he knew where all of the missing specimens were.
然后他有了某种突破，并确信他知道所有丢失的标本在哪里。
Coming up, Kirk goes and confronts his prime suspect.
柯克出现了，并与他的头号嫌疑人对峙。
And he learns that ornithologists can have serious potty mouths.
他还了解到鸟类学家可能有严重的便盆口。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Sean Cole in for Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯的肖恩·科尔。
Today's show, the Feather Heist, the true story of one of the weirdest capers in recent history, which was also a tragic loss to natural history.
今天的节目《羽毛抢劫》讲述了近代历史上最怪异的惊悚事件之一的真实故事，这也是自然历史的悲惨损失。
And it's the story of Kirk Johnson, who took it upon himself to re-investigate the theft of 299 bird specimens from the Tring Museum north of London.
这是柯克·约翰逊 (Kirk Johnson) 的故事，他亲自重新调查了伦敦北部特林博物馆 (Tring Museum) 299 件鸟类标本被盗的事件。
Act Six, The Suspect.
第六幕，嫌疑人。
Kirk, of course, asked Edwin Rist about the missing bird skins when they were together in Dusseldorf.
当然，当他们在杜塞尔多夫时，柯克向埃德温·里斯特询问了丢失的鸟皮的情况。
Edwin told him the police took everything from him.
埃德温告诉他，警察夺走了他的一切。
They had everything.
他们拥有一切。
He also, in the interview, called into question whether the museum knew how many were still missing and suggested they never really knew how many they had in the first place.
他还在采访中质疑博物馆是否知道还有多少人失踪，并表示他们一开始就从未真正知道有多少人失踪。
But the people at the Tring had given Kirk this document, a meticulous accounting of what had come back to them and what was still unaccounted for.
但特林的人已经给了柯克这份文件，其中详细记录了返回给他们的内容以及仍然下落不明的内容。
And Kirk had it with him.
柯克也拥有这样的能力。
This is him reading it to Edwin in the hotel room.
这是他在酒店房间里给埃德温读的。
I mean, this is like a pretty thorough-- like the number of specimens missing July '09, intact specimen was labelled-- without label.
我的意思是，这就像一个非常彻底的——就像 09 年 7 月丢失的样本数量一样，完整的样本被贴上了标签——没有标签。
Approximate number of specimens represented by feathers and skin fragments, and then a total estimate sort of consolidated.
以羽毛和皮肤碎片为代表的样本的大致数量，然后综合估计总数。
I know this is weird.
我知道这很奇怪。
I said, this doesn't seem haphazard.
我说，这看起来不是偶然的。
And Edwin said, no, it doesn't seem haphazard.
埃德温说，不，这看起来并不随意。
I would agree.
我同意。
It looks very, very thorough.
看起来非常非常彻底。
And it looks very calculated, I guess.
我猜这看起来是经过深思熟虑的。
And so I said, well, so then, if that's accurate, where are they?
所以我说，好吧，那么，如果这是准确的，他们在哪里？
And he goes, if someone has them, I really don't know about it.
他说，如果有人拥有它们，我真的不知道。
And the question then is, does one individual have them?
那么问题是，一个人拥有它们吗？
Or is it parceled out over time?
或者随着时间的推移它会被分配出去吗？
And I look up at him.
我抬头看着他。
And I said, but aren't you the person most uniquely positioned to answer that?
我说，但你不是最有能力回答这个问题的人吗？
And he says, in what sense?
他说，在什么意义上？
[LAUGHTER] And I looked at him.
[笑声]我看着他。
I was like, but you're the one that took them.
我当时想，但你是带走他们的人。
And after kind of a long-winded response, he said, I don't have them, fundamentally.
经过一段冗长的回答后，他说，从根本上说，我没有。
Yes.
是的。
Sean Cole Now, a number of Edwin's customers returned the feathers, and bird parts, and whole birds that they'd bought from him to the museum.
肖恩·科尔 现在，埃德温的一些顾客将他们从埃德温那里购买的羽毛、鸟类部位和整只鸟归还给博物馆。
In some cases, Edwin's dad reimbursed them, spending thousands of dollars.
在某些情况下，埃德温的父亲会报销他们，花费数千美元。
The museum was now faced with the bizarre task of having to calculate how many feathers equaled one red-ruffed fruitcrow.
博物馆现在面临着一项奇怪的任务，即计算一只红领果鸦有多少根羽毛。
And factoring all of that in, the number of outstanding birds on the spreadsheet shrank down to 64.
考虑到所有这些因素，电子表格中优秀鸽子的数量减少到了 64 只。
And as Kirk waded through all of the past sales of birds online, doing Wayback Machine searches and stuff like that, this sort of pattern started to emerge that seemed odd.
当柯克费力地浏览所有过去的在线鸟类销售，进行回溯机器搜索之类的事情时，这种看起来很奇怪的模式开始出现。
There was another user who had clearly posted specimens that came from Edwin's stash.
还有一位用户明确发布了来自埃德温藏匿的标本。
This different user named Goku, G-O-K-U.
这个不同的用户名叫悟空，G-O-K-U。
Either it was Edwin under another name, or someone who was working with him to sell the birds, an accomplice.
要么是埃德温的另一个名字，要么是和他一起卖鸟的人，一个同谋。
And I really did not know the answer for a long time.
而我真的很长一段时间都不知道答案。
But this Goku guy suddenly became like a big person of interest to me.
但这个悟空家伙突然变得像我感兴趣的大人物一样。
Kirk started mapping all of Edwin's closest associates in the fly tying world.
柯克开始绘制埃德温在绑蝇世界中所有最亲密同事的地图。
And he developed a short list as to who Goku might be, if it wasn't Edwin.
如果不是埃德温，他还列出了悟空可能是谁的简短名单。
And then one day, Kirk happened to be visiting with an ornithologist at Yale named Rick Prum, one of the head curators at the Peabody Museum.
然后有一天，柯克碰巧拜访了耶鲁大学的一位鸟类学家，名叫里克·普鲁姆（Rick Prum），他是皮博迪博物馆的首席馆长之一。
MacArthur Genius Guggenheim recipient.
麦克阿瑟天才古根海姆获奖者。
And you walk in, and he's just like dropping the F-bomb right and left.
当你走进去时，他就像左右扔下脏话一样。
[LAUGHTER] And he's just-- I mean, I love this guy.
[笑声] 他只是——我的意思是，我爱这个人。
And I wrote these notes, because I was trying to get Fish and Wildlife Service to bust these fuckers.
我写了这些笔记，因为我试图让鱼类和野生动物服务局来消灭这些混蛋。
Rick Prum had taken an enraged interest in the Tring case himself.
里克·普鲁姆本人对特林案产生了极大的兴趣。
Like Kirk, he had taken copious notes, kept track of the sales online.
和柯克一样，他做了大量笔记，跟踪网上销售情况。
And listening to the two of them talk, it's like they've each met the only other person in the world who's not only heard of but loves just as passionately the same band he worshipped in high school.
听着他们两个的谈话，就好像他们每个人都遇到了世界上唯一一个不仅听说过而且同样热情地热爱着他在高中时崇拜的乐队的人。
I mean, did you ever see Rist-- you never saw his website at the day?
我的意思是，你见过 Rist 吗？你当时从未见过他的网站吗？
Like, when he was busted, what was on his website?
比如，当他被捕时，他的网站上有什么？
His website's down now.
他的网站现在已经瘫痪了。
Rick Prum Yeah, but did you ever record it?
Rick Prum 是的，但是你录过吗？
No. Rick Prum I have.
不，里克·普鲁姆，我有。
I've got his whole website,
我有他的整个网站
No way.
没办法。
Sean Cole And looking at Edwin's website definitively narrowed the short list of who Goku who might be down to one guy.
肖恩·科尔（Sean Cole）查看埃德温（Edwin）的网站后，最终将悟空（Goku）可能的候选名单缩小到一个人。
Long Nguyen, another top-notch fly tyer who is exactly Edwin's age.
龙·阮（Long Nguyen），另一位顶级蝇类选手，与埃德温（Edwin）同龄。
They're friends.
他们是朋友。
Long Nguyen lives in Norway.
Long Nguyen 住在挪威。
Oh yes, it's so perfect.
哦，是的，太完美了。
You have no idea how helpful that is.
你不知道这有多大帮助。
And Kirk had other evidence implicating Long, some Facebook exchanges, Edwin saying, did your box arrive, pictures of the two of them on a trip to Japan after which all kinds of new birds were posted for sale by Goku.
柯克还有其他证据暗示朗，埃德温说，一些脸书交流，你的盒子到了吗，他们两个去日本旅行的照片，之后悟空发布了各种新鸟出售。
Not only that, other members of the community were openly accusing Long of working with Edwin, telling him, we know it's you.
不仅如此，社区的其他成员还公开指责朗与埃德温合作，告诉他，我们知道是你。
Your days are numbered.
你的日子屈指可数了。
Now, Edwin has insisted all along that Long was not involved in the heist.
现在，埃德温一直坚称朗没有参与抢劫。
He's defended Long against accusations on the internet.
他针对互联网上的指控为朗辩护。
And he told Kirk that Long was not involved.
他告诉柯克，朗没有参与其中。
And then he put Kirk in touch with Long.
然后他让柯克与朗取得了联系。
And Long, the only other person Kirk knew of who clearly seemed to be selling the stolen birds, agreed to talk.
朗是柯克认识的唯一一个显然在出售偷来的鸟的人，他同意谈话。
Act Seven, Oslo.
第七幕，奥斯陆。
Kirk thought maybe Long had been at the museum with Edwin that night.
柯克想也许朗那天晚上和埃德温一起去了博物馆。
There was always a question as to how Edwin pulled this off on his own.
一直有一个问题是埃德温是如何独自完成这件事的。
Maybe Long had put him up to it in the first place.
也许朗一开始就让他这么做了。
He pictured him being wealthy and manipulative, using Edwin as a pawn.
他想象自己富有且善于操纵，利用埃德温作为棋子。
And when Kirk's plane landed in Oslo, he was just about jumping out of his skin he was so eager to talk with Long.
当柯克的飞机降落在奥斯陆时，他简直要兴奋起来，他非常渴望与朗交谈。
He took a train out to a little suburb of the city.
他乘火车前往城市的一个小郊区。
Long met him at the station.
朗在车站遇见了他。
He was a teenage-looking 20-something with a big smile and Chuck Taylors.
他看上去二十多岁，笑容灿烂，戴着查克·泰勒 (Chuck Taylor) 的帽子。
I had miraculously convinced him to do the interview at his home because I had this kind of fantastical notion that he would slip up, and I would find some partially-exposed wing under the couch or something like that, you know?
我奇迹般地说服了他在他家里接受采访，因为我有一种奇怪的想法，认为他会犯错，我会在沙发下找到一些部分暴露的翅膀或类似的东西，你知道吗？
[LAUGHTER] Sean Cole Like a box of dead birds would come tumbling out of a closet.
[笑声] 肖恩·科尔 就像一盒死鸟会从壁橱里翻出来一样。
Yeah, when he was trying to reach for some sugar packets or something.
是的，当他试图伸手去拿一些糖包或其他东西时。
So we walk into the apartment, and out of the corner of my eye there's like this green flash just bombing towards my face.
于是我们走进公寓，从我眼角的余光中，一道绿色的闪光正向我的脸袭来。
And it's his parrot that just was loose in the apartment and flapped over and landed on my shoulder and spent most of the-- I think that was like a seven-hour interview the first day.
他的鹦鹉刚刚在公寓里松散，拍打着翅膀落在我的肩膀上，花了大部分时间——我认为这就像第一天的七个小时采访。
And it was an uncomfortable interview where I'm learning all of these things about his life, but also confronting him with stuff.
这是一次令人不舒服的采访，我了解了他生活中的所有这些事情，但也让他面对一些事情。
And his bird is, meanwhile, kind of nibbling on my earlobe.
与此同时，他的鸟儿正在啃咬我的耳垂。
[LAUGHTER] Kirk Johnson I hope I'm not being like [PARROT SQUAWKS] a jerk or like-- I feel like the worst [PARROT SQUAWKS] guest ever asking all these questions.
[笑声]柯克·约翰逊（Kirk Johnson）我希望我不会像[鹦鹉尖叫]那样混蛋之类的——我觉得自己是问过所有这些问题的最糟糕的[鹦鹉尖叫]客人。
And something else happened when Kirk walked into the apartment.
当柯克走进公寓时，发生了另一件事。
All notions of Long being the rich, conniving mastermind of the Tring heist fell away.
所有关于朗是特林抢劫案的富有、纵容的策划者的想法都消失了。
Long was from a family of Vietnamese refugees who had fled the war to Norway in the '70s.
朗来自一个越南难民家庭，他们在 70 年代逃离战争来到挪威。
He started tying flies in a boys home when he was a kid, basically as an escape.
当他还是个孩子的时候，他就开始在男孩家里绑苍蝇，基本上是为了逃避。
--because things were turbulent in our family.
——因为我们家的事情很动荡。
I mean, yeah, I don't think about that now because it's past.
我的意思是，是的，我现在不考虑这个，因为那已经过去了。
But things were bad.
但情况很糟糕。
We had our best to just go through it with parents being in Vietnam and all, and after the war and stuff.
我们尽力在父母身在越南的情况下，在战争结束后经历这一切。
And Long said he never really had what he called true friends.
朗说他从来没有真正拥有过他所谓的真正的朋友。
And around that same time after he had started tying flies, he was reading about other fly tyers online.
大约在他开始绑苍蝇之后的同一时间，他在网上阅读了有关其他苍蝇绑法的信息。
And he heard about this one kid in America who was exactly his age.
他听说美国有一个和他年龄相仿的孩子。
I think I start hearing about Edwin when I was 15 or 16, because he was really famous back then.
我想我是在 15 或 16 岁的时候开始听说埃德温的，因为他当时非常有名。
Long looked up to Edwin.
朗抬头看着埃德温。
They met online first, just writing back and forth.
他们先是在网上认识的，只是来回写信。
They had a ton in common, so they decided to meet.
他们有很多共同点，所以他们决定见面。
And that Japan trip was the first time they saw each other in person.
那次日本之行是他们第一次见面。
They tied flies together there.
他们在那里把苍蝇绑在一起。
Edwin had already stolen the birds at that point, but he hadn't been caught yet.
埃德温当时已经偷走了这些鸟，但还没有被抓住。
And he's telling me that Edwin reached out to him to ask him to help sell these things, but just as a friend.
他告诉我埃德温联系他请他帮助出售这些东西，但只是作为朋友。
He just said, hey, I found these things.
他只是说，嘿，我找到了这些东西。
Can you post these things online for me?
你能为我把这些东西发布到网上吗？
And Long thought that that was what being a friend was.
朗认为这就是朋友的意义。
He thought he was going to help Edwin make enough money to buy his new flute.
他认为他会帮助埃德温赚到足够的钱来购买他的新长笛。
And he also felt really flattered and honored that Edwin Rist was paying attention to him.
他还对埃德温·里斯特对他的关注感到非常受宠若惊和荣幸。
Long told Kirk he mostly just re-posted some of Edwin's ads, including pictures of birds.
朗告诉柯克，他主要只是转发了埃德温的一些广告，包括鸟类的照片。
But it is true that Edwin sent him a bunch of presorted packets of feathers and three or four whole bird skins to sell.
但埃德温确实给他寄了一堆预先分类的羽毛包和三四张整张鸟皮来出售。
And Long did sell some of them, but Long says he didn't know any of it was stolen at the time, which Edwin confirms.
朗确实卖掉了其中一些，但朗说他当时不知道其中有任何东西被偷了，埃德温证实了这一点。
Edwin made up stories about where the birds came from.
埃德温编造了关于鸟儿从哪里来的故事。
And Long never stopped to think how implausible they were, partly because he was blinded by his love of the birds.
朗从未停下来思考它们是多么难以置信，部分原因是他被自己对鸟类的热爱蒙蔽了双眼。
But also, probably he was blinded by his infatuation for Edwin.
但同时，他也可能被对埃德温的迷恋蒙蔽了双眼。
Looking back, Long says Edwin was probably just trying to attract less attention to himself.
回顾过去，朗说埃德温可能只是想减少对自己的关注。
My assumption is just like he wanted to erase his traces.
我的猜测就像他想抹去自己的痕迹一样。
But the traces were already there, so I don't know why.
但痕迹已经在那里了，所以我不知道为什么。
Yeah.
是的。
Kirk Johnson Like he's-- do you see what-- it's not a nice thing to do.
柯克·约翰逊：就像他一样——你明白吗——这不是一件好事。
No, it's absolutely not.
不，绝对不是。
And I had like a tough decision about how to deal with this friendship.
我对如何处理这段友谊做出了艰难的决定。
At the time, I think, when he get exposed, I was really shocked.
当时我想，当他被曝光时，我真的很震惊。
I was frozen from the forum because people-- they assumed that I was the one responsible for everything.
我被冻结在论坛之外，因为人们——他们认为我是所有事情的负责人。
I was considering if I should turn my back, because it's reasonable for me to erase this friendship.
我在考虑是否应该转身离开，因为我删除这段友谊是合理的。
And you can't do this to friends.
而且你不能对朋友这样做。
It made me really upset with Edwin.
这让我对埃德温非常不满。
I don't know how you look at this chain of events and see them as equals.
我不知道你如何看待这一系列事件并平等地看待它们。
I don't know how you look at the chain of events and see this as anything other than Edwin using him as a fence to potentially take the fall for him if things got hairy.
我不知道你如何看待这一系列事件，并认为这不是埃德温利用他作为栅栏，以便在事情变得棘手时可能为他承担责任。
Sitting with Long, Kirk ultimately turned to the question of where the missing birds were.
柯克和朗坐在一起，最终转向了失踪鸟类在哪里的问题。
But instead of just asking him outright, he eased into the subject with a kind of Colombo, just-one-more-question gentle persistence.
但他并没有直截了当地问他，而是以一种科伦坡式的、只问一个问题的温和坚持慢慢进入了这个话题。
Meanwhile, Long sometimes sounded like a disgraced banker at a congressional hearing, saying he couldn't remember things that seemed basic.
与此同时，朗有时在国会听证会上听起来就像一个丢脸的银行家，说他记不起一些看似基本的事情。
For instance, Kirk asked him whether the customers paid Edwin directly, or if Long had handled any of the money.
例如，柯克问他顾客是否直接向埃德温付款，或者朗是否处理过这些钱。
I don't remember if I received the money, or if the money went to him.
我不记得我是否收到了钱，也不记得钱是否给了他。
You remember, right?
你还记得吧？
I mean, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you would remember if people-- like, these things were selling for thousands of dollars.
我的意思是，我并不是想成为一个混蛋，但你会记得，如果人们——比如，这些东西售价数千美元。
Yeah-- Kirk Johnson Don't you think you would remember?
是的——柯克·约翰逊，你不认为你会记得吗？
I don't think I sold things for thousands of dollars.
我不认为我的东西能卖几千美元。
What I remember most is selling small amounts, like packages of feathers.
我记得最清楚的是少量出售，比如一包羽毛。
I don't want to be rude, but this is another point where I'm really just--
我不想无礼，但这是我真的只是——
Yeah, I understand.
是的，我明白。
Because I spent like four years to try to forget all this.
因为我花了四年的时间试图忘记这一切。
Yeah.
是的。
Long Nguyen Yeah.
龙阮 是啊。
So what are you doing, it's like try to bring up all in the surface.
那么你在做什么，就像试图把所有的事情都浮出水面。
So the details is quite unclear to myself, because I trying to close this case.
所以我自己也不清楚细节，因为我试图结束这个案子。
Yeah, Kirk thought to himself, you and me both, buddy.
是的，柯克心想，你和我，伙计。
There are still a lot of skins that are missing.
还有很多皮肤缺失。
I don't have any skins.
我没有任何皮肤。
Many people would probably think that I possess those skins.
很多人可能会认为我拥有这些皮肤。
Why?
为什么？
Long Nguyen Because I was so close related to Edwin.
Long Nguyen 因为我和埃德温的关系非常密切。
That would be a natural thing to assume.
这是很自然的假设。
It would be very logical.
这将是非常合乎逻辑的。
Long Nguyen Yeah.
龙阮 是啊。
Like pretty reasonable for them to think that, no?
他们这样想很合理，不是吗？
Yeah.
是的。
If that's not true, than, A, how can we prove that that's not true?
如果这不是真的，那么，A，我们如何证明这不是真的？
I can't prove it.
我无法证明这一点。
Kirk Johnson You can or you can't?
柯克·约翰逊：你可以还是不可以？
Can't.
不能。
Kirk Johnson Then the question, B, is, where are they?
柯克·约翰逊 那么问题 B 是，他们在哪里？
Where?
在哪里？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Kirk Johnson How is that possible?
柯克·约翰逊 这怎么可能？
How do you not know?
你怎么不知道？
Like, you know-- like, I mean, you and Edwin--
就像，你知道——就像，我是说，你和埃德温——
I know what Ed-- like, I don't know where because a tiny part was sold through me.
我知道艾德喜欢什么，但我不知道在哪里，因为一小部分是通过我出售的。
You can't ask for a receipt for me not having skins.
你不能因为我没有皮肤而索要收据。
Kirk left Long's apartment feeling bad for him, but also frustrated.
柯克离开朗的公寓时，对他感到难过，但也感到沮丧。
It still seemed like maybe he was holding something back.
看起来他似乎仍然隐瞒了什么。
And he didn't know if he would ever see Long again.
他不知道自己是否还能再见到Long。
But then, the next morning, Long was waiting for Kirk in the lobby of his hotel.
但第二天早上，朗正在酒店的大厅里等待柯克。
He told Kirk he had been thinking and decided to quit tying flies with exotic bird feathers.
他告诉柯克，他一直在思考，并决定不再用奇特的鸟类羽毛来绑苍蝇。
He was afraid, though, that he'd lose the few friends he still had.
但他担心自己会失去仅存的几个朋友。
He said they only liked him because he tied beautiful flies.
他说他们喜欢他只是因为他绑了漂亮的苍蝇。
Kirk and Long spent the next two days hanging out.
接下来的两天里，柯克和朗一起出去玩。
They walked around the city together, mostly sightseeing.
他们一起在城市里散步，主要是观光。
And at one point, they met up on the steps of the National Gallery where Munch's painting, The Scream, was stolen in 1994 by thieves who broke through a window.
有一次，他们在国家美术馆的台阶上相遇，蒙克的画作《呐喊》于 1994 年被小偷破窗偷走。
And I just decided like, ah, screw it.
我就决定，啊，管它呢。
I'm going to just do one more attack on his defenses here and see if I can get him to admit anything.
我打算再对他的防御进行一次攻击，看看能否让他承认任何事情。
I heard from two separate people that, in the last year, you've told them that you have so much Indian crow, and you don't have any need for it.
我从两个不同的人那里听说，去年，你告诉他们，你有这么多印度乌鸦，但你不需要它。
And so, what am I supposed to do with that?
那么，我该怎么办呢？
You do whatever you-- Kirk Johnson But is it true?
你做你想做的事——柯克·约翰逊 但这是真的吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Kirk Johnson That you have a lot of Indian crow?
柯克·约翰逊 你有很多印度乌鸦吗？
No. I have, like-- I still have some of the packages of the ones I was supposed to sell.
不，我有，比如——我还有一些我应该卖掉的包裹。
OK.
好的。
Sean Cole Long kept those packages he was supposed to sell for himself, after Edwin was arrested.
埃德温被捕后，肖恩·科尔·朗保留了那些他本该卖给自己的包裹。
He sent back the bird skins, but he kept the feathers.
他寄回了鸟皮，但保留了羽毛。
And suddenly, I was like, OK, now we're getting somewhere.
突然，我想，好吧，现在我们已经取得进展了。
Like, how many?
比如，有多少？
Kirk Johnson And he was just miserable under this line of questioning, but he finally estimated that he had between 600 and 800 of these feathers from Edwin.
柯克·约翰逊（Kirk Johnson）在这样的追问下感到很痛苦，但他最终估计他从埃德温那里得到了 600 到 800 根羽毛。
Yeah, I know.
是的，我知道。
Sean Cole And he didn't have that many anymore.
肖恩·科尔：他已经没有那么多了。
He had sold half of them-- again, back before he knew they were stolen-- and kept the rest, which he had been tying with ever since.
他已经卖掉了其中的一半——再一次，在他意识到它们被偷之前就卖掉了——并保留了其余的，从那以后他就一直把它们绑在一起。
He was now down to about 100 feathers.
他现在只剩下大约100根羽毛了。
Kirk says Long also admitted that the number of birds Edwin sent him was more like 10 or 20, rather than just a few.
柯克说朗还承认埃德温寄给他的鸟的数量更像是 10 或 20 只，而不是几只。
We checked this with Long, and he refutes it.
我们向朗核实了这一点，他反驳了这一点。
In any case, Kirk finally felt like he was closing in on what he'd been after.
无论如何，柯克终于觉得他正在接近他一直追求的目标。
Obviously, he had no real standing to be asking any of these questions or making demands.
显然，他没有真正的资格提出这些问题或提出要求。
He wasn't the police.
他不是警察。
He didn't work for the museum.
他没有在博物馆工作。
But he had been on this case so doggedly for so long.
但他在这个案子上坚持了这么久。
I was like, Long, you know you have to show me these things, right?
我当时想，朗，你知道你必须向我展示这些东西，对吧？
And he kind of very quietly said, yes.
他非常平静地说，是的。
And then he started crying.
然后他开始哭泣。
And he--
而他——
He started crying?
他开始哭了？
Kirk Johnson Yeah, and he told me he's never told anyone about this, that not even his family knows about this, that he's never admitted this to anyone.
柯克·约翰逊：是的，他告诉我他从未告诉过任何人这件事，甚至他的家人也不知道这件事，他从未向任何人承认过这一点。
And I saw someone who was really struggling with his actions in a way that I hadn't seen with Edwin.
我看到一个人正在为自己的行为而苦苦挣扎，这是我在埃德温身上从未见过的。
There were no tears in the Edwin interview.
埃德温的采访中没有流泪。
Right.
正确的。
Kirk Johnson I mean, there was a kind of a-- he thought it was just as crazy as I did-- this whole story-- attitude, you know?
柯克·约翰逊，我的意思是，有一种——他认为这和我一样疯狂——整个故事——态度，你知道吗？
So not only are you getting a better accounting of their co-involvement and the number of birds that were involved, but also there's something else that you've been looking for, which is like contrition, kind of.
因此，你不仅可以更好地了解他们的共同参与和参与的鸟类数量，而且还有你一直在寻找的其他东西，就像忏悔一样。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Sean Cole Kirk and Long took the train back to Long's apartment where Long dipped in and fetched his binder of feathers, sort of like a stamp book with little pockets.
肖恩·科尔·柯克和朗乘火车回到朗的公寓，朗拿起他的羽毛活页夹，有点像一本带有小口袋的集邮册。
They brought it to a local bar, ordered a couple of beers, and opened it.
他们把它带到当地的一家酒吧，点了几瓶啤酒，然后打开。
I want to ask you just like, what's what, kind of.
我想问你，这是什么，有点。
And four years after he had first heard about the heist, Kirk had them in his hands, feathers that no one else knew about, that Edwin Rist had stolen from the Tring Museum.
在他第一次听说这起盗窃案的四年后，柯克手里拿着这些羽毛，这些羽毛是埃德温·里斯特从特林博物馆偷来的，没有其他人知道。
It was the first time he had seen stolen Tring Museum feathers in the wild, fugitive feathers.
这是他第一次在野生的逃亡羽毛中看到被盗的特林博物馆羽毛。
Kirk says holding that binder, he felt a straight line back to Wallace, Wallace who wrote, "All living things were not made for man." Still, Wallace probably never pictured two guys poring over the detached feathers of his birds in a bar in suburban Oslo.
柯克说，拿着活页夹，他感觉到一条直线回到了华莱士，华莱士写道：“所有生物都不是为人类而生的。”尽管如此，华莱士可能从未想象过有两个人在奥斯陆郊区的一家酒吧里仔细研究他的鸟儿脱落的羽毛。
So this is like-- these are Tring, and this is--
所以这就像——这些是特林，这是——
OK, so there's like-- Long Nguyen Should we just count only the Tring first?
好的，所以就像—— Long Nguyen 我们应该先只计算 Tring 吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Long Nguyen And then I'll tell about every feather.
Long Nguyen 然后我会讲述每根羽毛。
Yeah, that'd be great.
是的，那就太好了。
Long Nguyen OK.
龙阮 好的。
1, 2, 3, 4 , 5, 6, 7--
1、2、3、4、5、6、7——
And I just remember very clearly having two thoughts.
我只记得很清楚有两个想法。
One was, here they are.
一是，他们在这里。
I found them.
我找到了他们。
And how can you tell so quickly which ones are Tring?
你怎么能这么快分辨出哪些是Tring呢？
Wait.
等待。
Wait.
等待。
Kirk Johnson OK, sorry.
柯克·约翰逊 好吧，抱歉。
You're at 40 there.
你已经40岁了。
One.
一。
Kirk Johnson And then, at the same time, recognizing just how pathetic it all was and how small it all was.
柯克·约翰逊然后，同时，认识到这一切是多么可悲，这一切是多么渺小。
There wasn't a box of missing birds.
没有一箱失踪的鸟。
There were no labels.
没有标签。
These things, I knew what happened.
这些事情，我都知道是怎么回事了。
They're just plucked, harvested feathers from 150-year-old birds that will never be returned to their-- you can't reattach them to a bird.
它们只是从 150 岁的鸟身上拔下来的羽毛，这些羽毛永远不会归还给它们——你无法将它们重新附着在鸟身上。
You can't do anything with them.
你不能对他们做任何事。
And so it was this complicated moment where I was really kind of proud, but also a little embarrassed.
所以在这个复杂的时刻，我真的有点自豪，但也有点尴尬。
Because I was like, this is not-- there's nothing really triumphant about this moment.
因为我当时想，这不是——这一刻没有什么真正值得胜利的。
Kirk told Long he thought Long should send the feathers back to the museum, partly because it might help Long put the whole ugly business behind him.
柯克告诉朗，他认为朗应该将羽毛送回博物馆，部分原因是这可能有助于朗将整个丑陋的事情抛在脑后。
And Long agreed.
朗也同意了。
It took him a few months, but he finally stuffed them all into an envelope with no return address.
他花了几个月的时间，终于把它们全部塞进一个没有回信地址的信封里。
Kirk learned of two other full bird skins that definitively came from the Tring.
柯克了解到另外两张完整的鸟皮肯定来自特林。
The buyer lives in South Africa and has no interest in sending them back.
买家住在南非，没有兴趣将其退回。
About 20 others belonging to a guy in Montreal looked like possible Tring birds, but he's resold them already.
蒙特利尔一个人的另外大约 20 只看起来可能是特林鸟，但他已经转售了它们。
And say Long sold 10 more of them.
并假设 Long 又卖出了 10 个。
That would bring the total number of birds unaccounted for down to 32, which means, A, there's just no way to find out what happened to all of them anymore.
这将使下落不明的鸟总数减少到 32 只，这意味着，A，我们已经没有办法再知道它们都发生了什么事。
And B, Edwin is not the only fly tyer in the world who felt OK about knowingly owning stolen property.
B，埃德温并不是世界上唯一一个对故意拥有被盗财产感到满意的飞人。
Anyone who bought anything from him should send it back to the museum in whatever shape it's in.
任何从他那里买过任何东西的人都应该把它以任何形状送回博物馆。
But what would come of them sending back parts of birds, or feathers, or whatever?
但如果他们送回鸟类的一部分、羽毛或其他什么东西，会产生什么结果呢？
No scientific value.
没有科学价值。
I mean, maybe someone will figure out down the line how to figure out which feather came from which bird, but it would just be a moral victory, honestly.
我的意思是，也许有人会弄清楚如何找出哪根羽毛来自哪只鸟，但老实说，这只是道德上的胜利。
A moral victory?
道德上的胜利？
Kirk Johnson Yeah.
柯克·约翰逊 是的。
I mean, it's not-- and I'm fully aware of that.
我的意思是，这不是——而且我完全意识到这一点。
Like, they're not going to be used, but they don't belong to this community.
就像，它们不会被使用，但它们不属于这个社区。
They belong to that museum.
它们属于那个博物馆。
And the end of this should be everyone just return things that they know are stolen, even if it's two feathers.
最终的结局应该是每个人都归还他们知道被偷的东西，即使是两根羽毛。
And they can walk around with their head a little bit higher.
他们走路时可以把头抬高一点。
And maybe that's just so stupid of me for suggesting this.
也许我提出这个建议太愚蠢了。
But if the choice is between them returning it and them getting to keep it, that seems easy to me.
但如果在归还它和保留它之间做出选择，这对我来说似乎很容易。
But Kirk finally decided to let go of this case.
但柯克最终决定放弃这个案子。
He realized that he had become just as obsessive as Edwin about the birds and as obsessive as Wallace, for that matter.
他意识到自己已经变得像埃德温一样对鸟类着迷，也像华莱士一样对鸟类着迷。
All three men, for completely different reasons, spent years fixating over the very same birds-- not the same species, the same physical animals.
这三个人出于完全不同的原因，花了数年时间关注同一种鸟——不是同一个物种，是同一种动物。
Wallace wanted knowledge.
华莱士想要知识。
Edwin saw a lot of beautiful colors and guessed dollar signs.
埃德温看到了很多美丽的颜色并猜出了美元符号。
And Kirk, though he knows how loony this sounds, wanted to avenge the birds.
尽管柯克知道这听起来有多疯狂，但他还是想为鸟儿报仇。
As a last-ditch effort, and with the museum's knowledge, he went on the main fly tying forum and said that the Tring was ready to accept any anonymous returns, no questions asked.
作为最后的努力，在博物馆了解的情况下，他在主要的绑蝇论坛上表示，Tring 已准备好接受任何匿名退货，不问任何问题。
He said, as much as I would personally like to know who might be in possession of any of the missing skins, it is much more important that they be returned.
他说，尽管我个人很想知道谁可能拥有丢失的皮肤，但更重要的是归还它们。
And I have included the museum's address below for anyone who is so inclined.
我在下面列出了博物馆的地址，供有兴趣的人参考。
I don't mean to lecture-- and I imagine that some of you might be annoyed by this point-- but I am challenging you to help remove this cloud that hangs over your hobby.
我并不是要说教——我想你们中的一些人可能会对这一点感到恼火——但我挑战你们帮助消除笼罩在你们爱好上的阴云。
Simply deleting any reference to what happened at the Tring doesn't seem like the best way of coming to terms with it.
简单地删除对特林发生的事情的任何提及似乎并不是接受它的最佳方式。
And then, more than 40 members of the fly tying community asked the moderator of the forum to delete Kirk's post.
随后，40多名绑蝇社区成员要求论坛版主删除柯克的帖子。
And like so many other things in this story, it disappeared.
就像这个故事中的许多其他事情一样，它消失了。
Kirk Johnson wrote an excellent book about the museum heist, which was the basis for this story.
柯克·约翰逊（Kirk Johnson）写了一本关于博物馆抢劫案的优秀书，这是这个故事的基础。
It has lots of details that we weren't able to get into on the radio.
它有很多我们无法通过广播了解的细节。
It's called The Feather Thief-- Beauty, Obsession, and the Natural History Heist of the Century.
它的名字叫《羽毛小偷——美丽、痴迷和世纪自然历史抢劫》。
Our program is produced today by Miki Meek.
今天我们的节目由 Miki Meek 制作。
The people who help make our show-- Dana Chivvis, Neil Drumming, Damian Gray, Hannah Joffe-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Seth Lind, Anna Martin, Robin Simeon, Christopher Switala, Stowe Nelson, Julia Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
帮助制作我们节目的人们——Dana Chivvis、Neil Drumming、Damian Gray、Hannah Joffe-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Seth Lind、Anna Martin、Robin Simeon、Christopher Switala、Stowe Nelson、Julia Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。
Our senior producer is Brian Reed, managing editor, Susan Burton, research help from Michelle Harris.
我们的高级制片人是布赖恩·里德（Brian Reed），总编辑苏珊·伯顿（Susan Burton），米歇尔·哈里斯（Michelle Harris）提供研究帮助。
Special thanks today to Ellen Paul, James Costa, and Marion Bentley.
今天特别感谢艾伦·保罗、詹姆斯·科斯塔和马里昂·本特利。
Our website is thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to our archive of over 600 episodes, totally free.
我们的网站是 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中免费收听我们的 600 多集档案。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to my boss, Ira Glass.
一如既往地感谢我的老板艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass)。
You know, I happened to see him in the park last weekend with his two dogs, a labradoodle and a Pomeranian.
你知道，上周末我碰巧在公园里看到他和他的两只狗，一只拉布拉多犬和一只博美犬。
It was just the three of them walking along.
一路上只有他们三个人走着。
And he got really hostile when I approached them.
当我接近他们时，他变得非常有敌意。
We're a small, tight-knit community.
我们是一个小而紧密的社区。
And you do not want to piss us off.
而且你不想惹恼我们。
I'm Sean Cole.
我是肖恩·科尔。
Ira's back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉下周将带着更多《美国生活》的故事回来。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。