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Prologue Ira Glass In the midterm elections, Democrats, of course, are gunning to retake the House of Representatives.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 在中期选举中，民主党当然会力争夺回众议院席位。
And the 19th congressional district in New York is one of the spots they think they've got a great shot at.
纽约第十九国会选区是他们认为最有机会进军的地点之一。
Demographically, it's one of the rare districts in the country that is actually a true tossup.
从人口统计来看，它是该国罕见的真正陷入困境的地区之一。
It went for Donald Trump by seven points but before that it went for Barack Obama.
唐纳德·特朗普 (Donald Trump) 领先 7 个百分点，但在此之前巴拉克·奥巴马 (Barack Obama) 领先。
It's pretty much evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
民主党和共和党之间的比例几乎平分秋色。
And to make it even more attractive to Democrats, the Republican on the seat right now-- his name is John Faso.
为了让这个席位对民主党更具吸引力，现在坐上这个席位的是共和党人——他的名字叫约翰·法索。
He's the kind of opponent the Democrats dream of getting.
他是民主党梦寐以求的对手。
He's only been in office for one term.
他只任职一届。
He's a former lobbyist.
他以前是一名游说者。
His clients include payday loan companies and energy companies.
他的客户包括发薪日贷款公司和能源公司。
Supporting Faso you've got all the right wing funders the Democrats love to hate-- the Koch brothers, the Mercers, Paul Singer.
支持法索的有所有民主党人又爱又恨的右翼资助者——科赫兄弟、默瑟家族、保罗·辛格。
Add to that, Faso's done a decent job of spending his first term in Congress handing out ammunition to Democrats.
除此之外，法索在国会第一个任期内为民主党提供了弹药，这方面做得不错。
One of our producers, Ben Calhoun, has spent months visiting the district covering this race.
我们的制片人之一本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun) 花了几个月的时间访问该地区报道这场比赛。
Ben?
本？
Yeah.
是的。
So, the best example of what you're talking about is this video.
所以，你所说的最好的例子就是这个视频。
And I'll say, I was so surprised at how often this video has come up when I've been reporting in the district over the last three months.
我想说的是，过去三个月我在该地区进行报道时，这段视频出现的频率让我感到非常惊讶。
People just mention this thing all the time.
人们总是提到这件事。
So in this video, Faso's completely surrounded by these protesters who are all opposing the Republican repeal of the Affordable Care Act-- the repeal of Obamacare.
因此，在这段视频中，法索完全被这些抗议者包围，他们都反对共和党废除平价医疗法案——废除奥巴马医改。
And this woman comes up to him.
这个女人向他走来。
What's your name?
你叫什么名字？
Ben Calhoun The woman's name here is Andrea Mitchell.
本·卡尔霍恩 这位女士的名字是安德里亚·米切尔。
And she explains to Faso, she's not just like any constituent.
她向法索解释说，她不像任何选民。
She went to school with Faso's kids.
她和法索的孩子们一起上学。
Like, Faso's wife was her school nurse.
比如，法索的妻子是她的学校护士。
And she tells Faso that she has a brain tumor and Obamacare saved her health insurance.
她告诉法索，她患有脑瘤，奥巴马医改节省了她的健康保险。
And then she pleads with Faso for him not to support the Republican repeal of Obamacare.
然后她恳求法索不要支持共和党废除奥巴马医改。
I need you, as a human being, to say I promise that we will not take this away from you.
作为一个人，我需要你说我保证我们不会把它从你身边夺走。
I can tell you this-- Andrea Mitchell Until--
我可以告诉你——安德里亚·米切尔直到——
I promise.
我保证。
I promise.
我保证。
Ben Calhoun It's hard to hear in there, but Faso says to Andrea Mitchell, I can tell you that.
本·卡尔霍恩（Ben Calhoun）：那里很难听清，但法索对安德里亚·米切尔（Andrea Mitchell）说，我可以告诉你。
I promise, I promise, I promise.
我保证，我保证，我保证。
He promises her three times.
他向她保证了三遍。
And then in the video he hugs her.
然后在视频中他拥抱了她。
And he seems kind of moved.
他似乎有点感动。
So Faso promises he's not going to support the Republican bill that's going to kill Obamacare.
因此，法索承诺他不会支持共和党的法案，该法案将扼杀奥巴马医改。
And then we can just cut to Faso on the floor of the House a few months later voting for the bill to kill Obamacare.
然后我们可以切入法索，几个月后，众议院投票通过了废除奥巴马医改的法案。
Mr. Speaker, my colleagues, I urge support for the bill.
议长先生，我的同事们，我敦促支持该法案。
It is something that is long overdue.
这是姗姗来迟的事情。
Yeah.
是的。
Faso's spokesperson said later that Andrea Mitchell wouldn't have lost her coverage because of the vote but that's unclear.
法索的发言人后来表示，安德里亚·米切尔不会因为投票而失去她的报道，但这还不清楚。
So that vote, the one to gut Obamacare, it's one of the votes that puts Republicans at greater risk when they're trying to get elected this year.
因此，那次投票，即破坏奥巴马医改的投票，是让共和党人在今年试图当选时面临更大风险的投票之一。
And Democrats are totally coming after him.
民主党人正在全力追赶他。
Greetings from the Resistance in front of John Faso's Kingston office.
来自约翰·法索金斯敦办公室前抵抗组织的问候。
OK, where are we now?
好的，我们现在在哪里？
Ben Calhoun This is sound from protests that have been happening outside of Faso's district offices every Friday.
本·卡尔霍恩（Ben Calhoun） 这是每周五在法索地区办事处外发生的抗议活动的声音。
They call them Faso Fridays.
他们称其为“法索星期五”。
And this one is from Kingston, New York.
这个来自纽约金斯顿。
And it has a house band, called the Tin Horn Uprising.
它有一个室内乐队，名为“Tin Horn Uprising”。
[MUSIC - "GET UP, STAND UP" BY TIN HORN UPRISING]
[音乐 - TIN HORN UPRISING 的“站起来，站起来”]
That is not a good version of that song.
这不是那首歌的好版本。
Yeah.
是的。
It was actually kind of hard to pick which song to play for you.
实际上，选择为你播放哪首歌有点困难。
I feel like the band from the Star Wars cantina is trying to overturn this Congressman.
我觉得星球大战小酒馆的乐队正试图推翻这位国会议员。
Yeah, no. Let me do one more.
是的，不。让我再做一件事。
We're going to go Seasonal.
我们要去季节性的。
[MUSIC - "SANTA CLAUS IS COMING TO TOWN' BY TIN HORN UPRISING]
[音乐 - “圣诞老人即将通过锡角起义来到小镇]
No comment.
没有评论。
Ben Calhoun So these kinds of protests have been kind of a genre for democratic activists all around the country.
本·卡尔霍恩 因此，此类抗议活动已成为全国各地民主活动人士的一种类型。
You've got Tuesdays with Toomey, Fridays with Frelinghuysen.
星期二和图米在一起，星期五和弗里林海森在一起。
These are just in different districts around the country?
这些只是在全国不同地区吗？
Yeah, all over the place.
是的，到处都是。
So all of that means, New York 19, it's just like one of the hottest targets for Democrats across the whole country.
因此，所有这一切都意味着，《纽约 19》，它就像是全国民主党最热门的目标之一。
It's one of the seats that Democrats really believe they can flip, and that they need to flip if they're going to retake the House-- like top 15 easily.
这是民主党真正相信他们可以翻转的席位之一，如果他们想重新夺回众议院——比如轻松夺回前 15 名席位，他们就需要翻转席位。
That's according to somebody who I talked to at the Democratic Party.
这是我在民主党采访过的一位人士的说法。
OK, so the Democrats are dying to take the House and they're full of energy, they're full of enthusiasm.
好吧，民主党人渴望拿下众议院，他们充满活力，充满热情。
But at the same time, they don't agree how to take the House.
但与此同时，他们对于如何入主众议院却没有达成一致。
And there's this big messy fight over ideas and strategy between different groups in the party.
党内不同群体之间围绕思想和战略存在着一场混乱的大斗争。
And Ben, you've reported on this before here on our show.
Ben，你之前在我们的节目中报道过此事。
Mm-hm.
嗯嗯。
Ira Glass And one of the reasons it's so contentious is that each faction thinks that the other faction could totally blow the Democrat's chances to win this fall.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 引起如此争议的原因之一是，每个派系都认为另一派系可能会彻底摧毁民主党今年秋天获胜的机会。
And New York 19, this congressional district we've been talking about, this is a district where that kind of fight is going on.
纽约 19 区，我们一直在谈论的这个国会选区，这是一个正在进行这种斗争的选区。
And Ben, you've been following one of the candidates in that race.
本，你一直在关注那场竞选中的一位候选人。
Hi, how are you doing?
嗨，你好吗？
Just wanted to say hi.
只是想打个招呼。
I'm Jeff Beals.
我是杰夫·比尔斯。
Don't be alarmed.
别惊慌。
I'm running for Congress.
我正在竞选国会议员。
That's Beals knocking on doors right there.
那是比尔斯在敲门。
And I got interested in him because he's emblematic of this whole political moment.
我对他感兴趣，因为他是整个政治时刻的象征。
The way he became politically active, some of the things that he believes, but also, maybe most important he was just willing to talk in this super honest way about things that were going on behind the scenes as Democrats are fighting with each other.
他在政治上变得活跃的方式，他相信一些事情，但也许最重要的是，他只是愿意以这种超级诚实的方式谈论民主党互相争斗时幕后发生的事情。
And he just told me about conversations that you don't normally get to hear about in politics until maybe after an election is over.
他刚刚告诉我一些通常在选举结束后才能听到的政治对话。
You know I've been covering people running for Congress for maybe 15 years and I've just never had somebody talk to me this way.
你知道，我报道国会议员竞选活动已经有大概 15 年了，但从来没有人这样对我说过话。
OK, so that is our show today.
好的，这就是我们今天的节目。
We're going to watch this big soupy fight that's going on at the Democratic Party play out, through the experience that this one candidate, Jeff Beals, has had.
我们将通过这位候选人杰夫·比尔斯的经历来观看民主党内正在发生的这场激烈的斗争。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And Ben Calhoun takes a story from here.
本·卡尔霍恩（Ben Calhoun）从这里讲了一个故事。
Jeff Beals remembers the day that he decided to run for Congress.
杰夫·比尔斯还记得他决定竞选国会议员的那一天。
He was a high school teacher.
他是一名高中老师。
He teaches history and civics and he was killing time between classes.
他教历史和公民，在课间消磨时间。
I'm sitting in-- we have a little room, kind of a break room they'll let us use off the library where you could grab a cup of coffee.
我坐在——我们有一个小房间，有点像休息室，他们会让我们使用图书馆旁边的地方，你可以在那里喝杯咖啡。
And I'm sitting there reading the news.
我坐在那里看新闻。
And I see a blog post that people have declared their run for Congress in New York 19.
我看到一篇博客文章，人们宣布 19 日在纽约竞选国会议员。
And I say, oh, OK.
我说，哦，好吧。
Who's that?
那是谁？
That's good.
那很好。
We got to beat-- got to beat Faso.
我们必须击败——必须击败法索。
And then I read about who it is.
然后我读到了他是谁。
And one of them is an attorney from the largest lobbying law firm in the United States.
其中一位是美国最大游说律师事务所的律师。
Another one of them is a medical devices CEO who, off a link in that very article, is running a factory that's off shored American jobs.
其中另一位是一位医疗设备首席执行官，在那篇文章中的链接中，他正在经营一家将美国工作岗位转移到海外的工厂。
Beals is like, whoa, hold up.
比尔斯说，哇，等等。
Wait a minute.
等一下。
This isn't matching what I think needs to happen right now.
这与我认为现在需要发生的事情不符。
In 2016, he watched Hillary Clinton deploy the strategy Democrats have used for years.
2016年，他目睹了希拉里·克林顿(Hillary Clinton)部署了民主党多年来使用的策略。
She raised tons of money from big donors and lobbyists and pushed moderate positions designed to offend as few people as possible.
她从大捐助者和游说者那里筹集了大量资金，并推行旨在尽可能少得罪人的温和立场。
Beals and other Democrats, the ones on the Bernie side of things, thought that the party had lost its credibility with Americans.
比尔斯和其他支持伯尼的民主党人认为，该党已经失去了美国人的信任。
It was too cozy with Wall Street, too corporate, too insider, and out of touch.
它与华尔街太融洽，太企业化，太内部化，而且脱节。
They saw Clinton as the pinnacle of what had become a losing strategy.
他们将克林顿视为已经失败的战略的顶峰。
I have total contempt for it because they're-- we just lost the presidency and outraised Donald Trump.
我对此完全蔑视，因为他们——我们刚刚失去了总统职位并击败了唐纳德·特朗普。
So I'm just totally-- I've totally fed up with the concept that money is the answer to how you win an election because it self-evidently didn't win an election.
所以我完全厌倦了金钱是赢得选举的答案的概念，因为它显然没有赢得选举。
It lost an election.
它输掉了一次选举。
After Clinton's defeat, Beals was upset and worried.
克林顿落败后，比尔斯感到沮丧和担忧。
And like a lot of Democrats, he started signing up for all kinds of stuff-- protest, voter registration stuff.
和许多民主党人一样，他开始报名参加各种活动——抗议、选民登记。
He became a member of his local Democratic Committee.
他成为当地民主党委员会的成员。
And he noticed how excited Democrats were to stand up to the new President.
他注意到民主党人站起来对抗新总统是多么兴奋。
Beals signed up with a group to host a house party.
比尔斯与一个团体签约举办家庭聚会。
Tons of strangers RSVP'd-- over 100 people, too many for his little apartment.
有大量陌生人回复——超过 100 人，对于他的小公寓来说太多了。
He ended up having to hold it in a coffee shop.
他最终不得不把它放在一家咖啡店里。
It shaped his view of what's possible this year and of what the party should be doing.
这塑造了他对今年可能发生的事情以及党应该做什么的看法。
So Beals is in the teacher's lounge, sipping coffee, reading about these candidates.
比尔斯在教师休息室里喝着咖啡，阅读有关这些候选人的信息。
One is a corporate executive whose company does its manufacturing overseas.
其中一位是一位公司高管，其公司在海外进行制造。
Another is a lawyer from a big lobbying firm, a lawyer whose job is defending Wall Street guys.
另一位是来自一家大型游说公司的律师，他的工作是为华尔街的人辩护。
And he thought, you've got to be joking.
他想，你一定是在开玩笑。
We cannot seriously be doing this again especially in New York 19.
我们不能再认真地这样做了，尤其是在纽约 19。
Beals thought that New York 19 was the kind of place that was ripe for a different kind of campaign because Bernie Sanders had won big there-- crushed Clinton 58% to 41%.
比尔斯认为，纽约 19 区是开展不同类型竞选活动的时机成熟的地方，因为伯尼·桑德斯 (Bernie Sanders) 在那里大获全胜——以 58% 比 41% 击败了克林顿。
This is in her home state.
这是在她的家乡。
Beals thought he understood why.
比尔斯认为他明白原因。
New York 19 is an enormous district, about an hour north of New York City.
New York 19 是一个巨大的地区，位于纽约市以北约一小时车程处。
It's speckled with second homes of well-heeled New Yorkers.
这里散布着富有的纽约人的第二故乡。
But it's also rural and working class with big swaths of poverty.
但农村和工人阶级也面临着大片贫困。
Beals thought, this place has a populist streak which is partly why Trump took it in the general election, he thought.
比尔斯认为，这个地方有民粹主义倾向，这也是特朗普在大选中获胜的部分原因。
It's the kind of place where you can win back some of those Trump voters with a kind of surly, stick up for the little guy, drain the swamp sort of pitch, and drive up democratic turnout with loud progressive ideas to get Democrats pumped.
在这种地方，你可以用一种乖戾的态度赢回一些特朗普选民，为小人物挺身而出，排干沼泽般的宣传，用响亮的进步思想来提高民主投票率，从而让民主党人兴奋起来。
Beals thought that's the right plan, especially right now.
比尔斯认为这是正确的计划，尤其是现在。
It's not all stupid naivety.
这并不全是愚蠢的天真。
It's an awareness of the extraordinary moment we're at.
这是对我们所处的非凡时刻的认识。
If I, in 2016, OK?
如果我在2016年，可以吗？
If in 2016 I had ventured to run for Congress all off of volunteer energy it wouldn't have materialized, period.
如果我在 2016 年冒险完全依靠志愿者的力量竞选国会议员，那它就不会实现，就这样。
There's not volunteer energy of sufficient magnitude.
没有足够数量的志愿者能量。
100 people are not going to show up outside the Ulster County Courthouse to see you give some speech about the moral of American history and your life in it.
100 个人不会出现在阿尔斯特县法院外面看你发表有关美国历史道德和你的生活的演讲。
Beals was about to spend the next 12 months betting everything he had on that idea.
比尔斯准备在接下来的 12 个月里将他所有的一切都押在这个想法上。
Like dozens of progressive candidates all over the country, Beals felt certain.
与全国各地数十位进步候选人一样，比尔斯也深信不疑。
Democrats could win with a progressive message, a call to overhaul their own party.
民主党可以凭借进步的信息、呼吁改革自己的政党而获胜。
He wanted to put that vision head-to-head up against the old strategy he hated so much.
他想将这一愿景与他非常讨厌的旧战略进行正面交锋。
He was about to discover just how much the Democratic Party's current philosophy, fundraising, and strategy is stacked against a plan like his.
他即将发现民主党当前的理念、筹款和战略在多大程度上与他这样的计划相悖。
Come on up here, Jeff Beals.
到这里来，杰夫·比尔斯。
Ben Calhoun Beals declared his candidacy on June 16th, 2017 on the steps of this old courthouse.
本·卡尔霍恩·比尔斯 (Ben Calhoun Beals) 于 2017 年 6 月 16 日在这座旧法院的台阶上宣布参选。
In front of him, he had a podium he just bought on the internet and a crowd of what looks like 100 people spilling out into the street, cheering for all the progressive stuff-- free college tuition, break up the big banks, green New Deal, income inequality.
在他面前，有一个他刚从网上买来的讲台，一群看起来有 100 人的人涌到街上，为所有进步的东西欢呼——免费大学学费、拆分大银行、绿色新政、收入不平等。
We're not just protesting anymore.
我们不再只是抗议。
We're not just asking for our congressman's ear.
我们不只是要求国会议员倾听。
We want his seat!
我们想要他的座位！
My name is Jeff Beals.
我叫杰夫·比尔斯。
I'm running for Congress to win back our voice in this district.
我竞选国会议员是为了赢回我们在这个选区的声音。
And give yourselves a round of applause because we just started!
请给自己热烈的掌声，因为我们才刚刚开始！
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Before Beals taught high school history and civics, he had the kind of biography that'd make you think, that guy could run for Congress.
在比尔斯教授高中历史和公民学之前，他的传记会让你认为，那个人可以竞选国会议员。
He graduated Harvard, where he studied Arabic and political science.
他毕业于哈佛大学，学习阿拉伯语和政治学。
Then he became an analyst at the CIA.
然后他成为中央情报局的分析师。
After that he was a diplomat at the State Department.
此后，他在国务院担任外交官。
He went to Iraq where he worked on the transitional government and the Iraqi constitution.
他前往伊拉克，参与过渡政府和伊拉克宪法的工作。
When he was in training at the State Department, his colleagues voted him most likely to write a dissent cable, which is a kind of memo where someone essentially pulls the fire alarm to say something is terribly wrong.
当他在国务院接受培训时，他的同事们投票认为他最有可能写一份异议电报，这是一种备忘录，本质上是有人拉响火警警报，表示某些事情是严重错误的。
He's not shy about taking a contrary position.
他并不羞于采取相反的立场。
And by the time Beals left Iraq and the State Department, he was really disillusioned with how it had gone.
当比尔斯离开伊拉克和国务院时，他对事情的进展感到非常失望。
He wanted to get away from government.
他想摆脱政府。
Tried grad school and academia, drifted a little, and then started substitute teaching high school.
尝试过研究生院和学术界，稍微偏离了一点，然后开始在高中代课。
He found that he loved it.
他发现他喜欢它。
He took a job at a private school, the job he has now.
他在一所私立学校找到了一份工作，也就是他现在的工作。
One thing about running for Congress-- you don't actually have to ask anyone for permission.
竞选国会的一件事是——你实际上不必征求任何人的许可。
You just start saying you're running for Congress and people are like, oh, that person is running for Congress.
你刚开始说你要竞选国会议员，人们就会说，哦，那个人正在竞选国会议员。
And then something like this happens.
然后类似的事情发生了。
Very quickly I got a phone call from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, can we talk?
很快我就接到了民主党国会竞选委员会的电话，我们可以谈谈吗？
And I'm like, so who is this?
我想，这是谁？
OK.
好的。
For people outside Washington, the Democratic Party is the Democratic Party, right?
对于华盛顿以外的人来说，民主党就是民主党，对吗？
But it's made up of smaller subgroups.
但它是由较小的子组组成的。
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is the political arm of Democrats in the House of Representatives.
民主党国会竞选委员会是众议院民主党的政治部门。
In Washington it goes by the acronym DCCC , or just The D Trip.
在华盛顿，它的缩写为 DCCC，或者简称为 The D Trip。
They help Democrats win seats in Congress by recruiting candidates, training people, helping with strategy and fundraising.
他们通过招募候选人、培训人员、帮助制定战略和筹款来帮助民主党赢得国会席位。
And last spring, when the DCCC reached out to Jeff Beals he thought, maybe it was to talk about how they might help him.
去年春天，当 DCCC 联系杰夫·比尔斯时，他想，也许是想谈谈他们如何帮助他。
So they planned a phone call, 4:00 PM, after Beals finishes teaching.
因此，他们计划在下午 4:00 比尔斯完成教学后打一个电话。
So the day arrives, Jeff's ready.
这一天到来了，杰夫已经准备好了。
But before the clock hits 4:00 PM--
但在下午 4:00 之前——
It's a woman he knows.
这是一个他认识的女人。
She's like, answer your next call.
她就像，接听你的下一个电话。
So they hang up, and then that call comes in.
于是他们挂断电话，然后电话就打进来了。
And it's a political guy I've never met on the phone.
这是一个我从未在电话中见过的政治人物。
And he says, you're about to have a conversation with the DCCC at 4:00.
他说，你将于 4:00 与 DCCC 进行对话。
I think you're a strong candidate.
我认为你是一个强有力的候选人。
But you have to be ready for this conversation.
但你必须为这次谈话做好准备。
They're going to ask you two questions.
他们会问你两个问题。
And I said, what?
我说，什么？
He said, they're going to ask you two questions.
他说，他们会问你两个问题。
Question number one is, how much money can you raise in the first quarter?
第一个问题是，第一季度你能筹集多少钱？
And I said, oh, OK, that's the first question?
我说，哦，好吧，这是第一个问题？
He said, yes.
他说，是的。
So I go, what's the answer?
那我走了，答案是什么？
He goes, $300,000.
他说，30万美元。
And I said, so what's question number two?
我说，那么第二个问题是什么？
He goes, question number two is, how much do you think you need to raise overall to win this race?
他说，第二个问题是，你认为你需要筹集多少资金才能赢得这场比赛？
What's the answer to that?
答案是什么？
He said, $2 million.
他说，200万美元。
The guy tells Beals, give those answers, let's talk later.
那家伙告诉比尔斯，给出答案，我们稍后再说。
4:00, bing!
4:00，叮！
Like, OK, I've got to get off the phone.
就像，好吧，我得挂掉电话了。
I've got to take that 4:00 phone call.
我必须接 4:00 的电话。
I hopped in my car.
我跳上车。
And he says, hi, Jeff.
他说，嗨，杰夫。
I have a couple questions for you.
我有几个问题要问你。
How much money do you think you can raise in the first quarter?
您认为第一季度可以筹集多少钱？
And I said, $300,000?
我说，30万美元？
He goes, sounds good.
他走了，听起来不错。
How much do you think you will need to raise in order to win this race?
您认为您需要筹集多少资金才能赢得这场比赛？
And I'm like, two-- two million?
我想，两——两百万？
Is that-- good answer.
这是——很好的答案。
Well, sounds like things are off to a good start there.
嗯，听起来事情有了一个好的开始。
Keep in touch.
保持联系。
We'll be in touch.
我们会保持联系。
Conversation basically ends.
对话基本结束。
A DCCC spokesperson told me there was more to this conversation but Beals maintains it was very, very focused on money.
DCCC 的一位发言人告诉我，这次谈话还有更多内容，但比尔斯坚称，谈话的重点是金钱。
When he hung up, he was surprised by what wasn't in the conversation.
当他挂断电话时，他对谈话中没有的内容感到惊讶。
What kind of organization have you set up?
你们建立了什么样的组织？
What activists and groups are connected to?
与哪些活动家和团体有联系？
Or even more just, what do you stand for?
或者更简单地说，你代表什么？
But so, Beals gets back on the phone with the democratic insider advisor guy.
但就这样，比尔斯重新与民主党内部顾问通了电话。
That guy did want to talk about what Jeff stood for.
那家伙确实想谈谈杰夫的立场。
And said, you know, so what is your platform?
并说，你知道，那么你的平台是什么？
You're probably not going to want to go single payer.
您可能不想成为单一付款人。
It's not a winner.
这不是赢家。
OK, not a winning issue.
好吧，这不是一个获胜的问题。
There's a lot of problems there.
那里有很多问题。
Single payer, government run nationalized health care-- everyone gets health insurance from the government.
单一付款人、政府运营的国有化医疗保健——每个人都从政府获得医疗保险。
Back when the Republicans were trying to repeal Obamacare, Bernie Sanders launched a big push for this under the label Medicare For All.
当共和党人试图废除奥巴马医改时，伯尼·桑德斯以“全民医疗保险”的名义发起了大力推动。
He chose that name because polls show that people love Medicare.
他选择这个名字是因为民意调查显示人们喜欢医疗保险。
And when he did this, Sanders sort of put a dividing line in the Democratic Party.
当桑德斯这样做时，他在民主党中划出了一条分界线。
On one side, you had the moderate and establishment wing of the party that was all, single payer health care?
一方面，党内温和派和建制派都是单一付款人医疗保健？
Hold your horses there, Che Guevara.
切·格瓦拉，把你的马放在那里。
Do you remember the epic political beating we took over Obamacare for crying out loud?
你还记得我们因大声喊叫而接管奥巴马医改时遭受的史诗般的政治打击吗？
And then on the Sanders side of the line, you had the progressive wing of the party who were all, radical.
然后在桑德斯这边，党内进步派都是激进派。
Most Americans support it.
大多数美国人都支持。
Right now it's like 60%-- plus, it's exciting.
现在大约是 60%——而且，这是令人兴奋的。
You want to make a comeback, how about we run on something people are excited about, you timid bastards.
你想卷土重来，我们就去做一些人们兴奋的事情怎么样，你们这些胆小的混蛋。
Jeff's on that side of the line.
杰夫就在队伍的那一边。
And I said, but I do support single payer.
我说过，但我确实支持单一付款人。
That's one of the crucial, crucial elements of my candidacy.
这是我的候选资格中至关重要的因素之一。
I don't have health insurance through my job.
我没有通过工作获得健康保险。
It is one of the most awful parts of my life.
这是我一生中最可怕的部分之一。
Not to mention how much more awful it is for people that are worse off than me in our district.
更不用说对于我们地区比我境况更差的人来说，这是多么可怕。
Yeah, I said absolutely I'm for single payer.
是的，我说过我绝对支持单一付款人。
That's the whole campaign.
这就是整个活动。
I mean, look there's a lot of issues.
我的意思是，你看，有很多问题。
But if there is one thing we could do right now to make life better in America for the vast majority of Americans, it would be passing Medicare for All now and enacting it.
但如果我们现在可以做一件事来改善绝大多数美国人在美国的生活，那就是立即通过并实施全民医疗保险。
At some point, the guy on the phone turned to fundraising, how to hit the DCCC fundraising numbers.
某个时候，电话那头的人转向筹款，如何达到 DCCC 的筹款数字。
He said, I know it sounds like a lot but you can do it.
他说，我知道这听起来很多，但你可以做到。
Make a list of everyone you know and how much money you can get from each of them.
列出您认识的每个人以及您可以从他们每个人那里得到多少钱。
I should say, this is conventional advice for new candidates.
我应该说，这是对新候选人的传统建议。
People call it rolodexing.
人们称之为名片索引。
It's often done by political operatives to test whether candidates can raise the kind of money that politics often requires these days.
政治活动人员通常会这样做，以测试候选人是否能够筹集到当今政治经常需要的资金。
Consider that in 2016, the average winning congressional campaign had to raise $1.5 million.
考虑到 2016 年，获胜的国会竞选活动平均需要筹集 150 万美元。
Party operatives like to figure out if people can do that, and this is a shortcut.
党的工作人员喜欢弄清楚人们是否可以做到这一点，这是一条捷径。
But it's a shortcut that ignores other things that are often tougher to measure-- grassroots involvement, activism.
但这是一条捷径，忽略了其他往往更难以衡量的事情——基层参与、行动主义。
Even more, it's obviously a screening process that discriminates heavily in favor of rich candidates with rich friends and rich colleagues and against, well, most Americans.
更重要的是，这显然是一个严重歧视的筛选过程，有利于有富有朋友和富有同事的富有候选人，而不是大多数美国人。
How did you feel when you got off of that second phone call?
当你打完第二个电话后，你感觉如何？
I think that, I just felt like I was talking to people who didn't have any idea what I was doing or what I cared about.
我认为，我只是觉得我正在和那些不知道我在做什么或我关心什么的人交谈。
And it was disconcerting.
这令人不安。
And it made me sad, momentarily.
这让我暂时感到悲伤。
But I was surrounded in real life by so many people who were excited about the things that I was excited about and doing it for the reason that I was doing it that I just decided those people were irrelevant.
但在现实生活中，我周围有很多人，他们对我感兴趣的事情感到兴奋，并因为我这样做而这样做，所以我认为这些人无关紧要。
And if they weren't irrelevant then I'd have to make them irrelevant.
如果它们不是无关紧要的话，那么我就必须让它们变得无关紧要。
The DCCC usually is less relevant during a primary.
DCCC 在初选期间通常不太相关。
In the general election, though, if they think you're a winner they'll tell people to give you money.
然而，在大选中，如果他们认为你是赢家，他们就会告诉人们给你钱。
They'll supply polling data, introduce you to consultants.
他们将提供民意调查数据，向您介绍顾问。
They'll buy TV commercials for you.
他们会为你购买电视广告。
So Beals got to work.
所以比尔斯开始工作了。
With or without the DCCC, he knew he was going to need money.
无论有没有 DCCC，他都知道自己需要钱。
Hopefully, he thought, not as much money as the DCCC had told him on that call.
他想，希望这笔钱不会像 DCCC 在电话中告诉他的那么多。
But he was sure he was going to need some.
但他确信他需要一些。
So he set out to raise it.
于是他开始着手筹集资金。
And when Beals started, he was optimistic.
当比尔斯开始时，他很乐观。
Sure, he knew, progressive politics aren't every Democrats' bag.
当然，他知道，进步政治并不是每个民主党人的囊中之物。
But he thought surely there's some deep pocketed progressive types out there-- you know, Warren Buffett types who are all, I'm crazy rich!
但他认为肯定有一些财力雄厚的进步人士——你知道，沃伦巴菲特类型的人都是，我非常富有！
Tax me more.
给我加更多的税。
It's going to be good for America.
这对美国来说将是一件好事。
People started trying to hook Beals up.
人们开始试图勾搭比尔斯。
A friend of mine, who was with the Clinton campaign, had a birthday party.
我的一位参加克林顿竞选团队的朋友举办了一个生日聚会。
This was a buddy from the State Department, politically connected, and he wanted to help Beals.
这是国务院的一个哥们，有政治关系，他想帮助比尔斯。
He was like, come to my birthday.
他说，来参加我的生日吧。
There's going to be influential people there.
那里将会有有影响力的人。
You can give a speech and you can raise some money.
你可以发表演讲，也可以筹集一些资金。
It's going to be great.
会很棒的。
So I come.
所以我来了。
This is a swank party-- private room in a nice restaurant where the meal is already paid for and you just choose your entree.
这是一个豪华的派对——在一家不错的餐厅的私人房间里，餐费已经付了，你只需选择你的主菜。
It's a couple of dozen people at this long wooden table.
这张长木桌旁坐了几十个人。
And at one point, the friend introduces Beals.
有一次，这位朋友介绍了比尔斯。
And Beals does the stump speech, just lets it rip.
比尔斯发表了竞选演讲，只是让它撕裂。
He's feeling it.
他感觉到了。
Why am I running?
我为什么要跑步？
I'm running because we've lost control over the economy, income inequality has reached a terrible point where it threatens the basis of our democracy.
我竞选是因为我们失去了对经济的控制，收入不平等已经达到了一个可怕的地步，威胁到我们民主的基础。
We failed to take action sufficient to after the 2008 financial crisis and it's only gotten worse.
2008 年金融危机之后，我们未能采取足够的行动，情况只会变得更糟。
We need Medicare for All now.
我们现在需要全民医疗保险。
It's a medley of progressive politics in the backroom of a fancy New York restaurant.
这是在纽约一家高档餐厅的后室里进行的进步政治的大杂烩。
And you know, he's giving a political speech at a birthday party, which feels weird.
你知道，他在生日聚会上发表政治演讲，这感觉很奇怪。
Hard to read a room in a dinner party in a nice restaurant.
很难在一家不错的餐厅的晚宴上阅读房间。
Like, it's not the break into applause kind of crowd.
就像，这不是突然爆发出掌声的人群。
So when they're silent, you're not necessarily thinking I'm flopping.
所以当他们沉默时，你不一定会认为我失败了。
But Jeff wraps it up.
但杰夫总结了这一点。
Dessert comes, and then his friend flags him down.
甜点上来了，然后他的朋友示意他下去。
And my friend says to me, he goes, what the heck are you doing, man?
我的朋友对我说，他走了，你到底在做什么，伙计？
You gotta tone that down.
你得把声音调低一点。
Do you understand who's in this room?
你知道这个房间里有谁吗？
You just alienated everybody here.
你刚刚疏远了这里的每个人。
He goes, that guy is the head of-- and he had some bizarre name, Xanthum Atlas Capitol-- you know, something Capitol.
他说，那家伙是——他有一个奇怪的名字，Xanthum Atlas Capitol——你知道，某种Capitol。
You know, he's like, that's head of it!
你知道，他就像，这就是它的头！
You know, and he's pointing at this guy and that guy.
你知道，他指着这个人和那个人。
He's like, this is not going to work.
他说，这行不通。
You should have talked about LGBT.
你应该谈论 LGBT。
That's what he told me.
这就是他告诉我的。
Did it surprise you when he came up to you and said that?
当他走到你面前说出这句话时，你感到惊讶吗？
Yes.
是的。
I mean, it did.
我的意思是，确实如此。
I love him for it.
我因此爱他。
Only your friends will be that straight to you, you know?
只有你的朋友才会对你那么直接，你知道吗？
But Jeff was also kind of shaken up.
但杰夫也有点震惊。
He respected his friend, respected his friend's political savvy.
他尊重他的朋友，尊重他朋友的政治头脑。
So Beals called another buddy from the State Department, somebody who knew them both.
于是，比尔斯给国务院的另一位朋友打电话，他认识他们。
It did cause me confusion.
这确实让我感到困惑。
What am I supposed to be doing here?
我应该在这里做什么？
Because he was really upset.
因为他真的很难过。
He thought, you really blew a chance.
他想，你真是错失了一个机会。
You have no idea how much money was in that room.
你不知道那个房间里有多少钱。
There was a lot of money in that room and you left it on the table.
那个房间里有很多钱，你却把它留在了桌子上。
And I called a friend of mine who knows a lot about politics and is on this campaign.
我给我的一位朋友打了电话，他对政治很了解，也参加了这次竞选。
And I said to him, this is what our buddy said, that I should have talked LGBT or I shouldn't have addressed those things.
我对他说，这就是我们的朋友所说的，我应该谈论 LGBT，否则我不应该谈论这些事情。
And he said, that way lieth the Goldman Sachs speech, Jeff.
他说，高盛的演讲就是这样，杰夫。
That way leith the Goldman Sachs speech.
这就是高盛演讲的方式。
Don't.
不。
Don't.
不。
This was a reference to these private events Hillary Clinton got paid to do with Goldman Sachs, saying one thing to them and something different to the public-- catering to rich people, which was one of the very things Beals was running against.
这是指希拉里·克林顿(Hillary Clinton)受雇与高盛(Goldman Sachs)进行的这些私人活动，对他们说的是一件事，而对公众说的是不同的事情——迎合富人，这正是比尔斯所反对的事情之一。
So he steeled himself and he continued calling up major democratic donors to find the progressive ones.
因此，他坚强起来，继续呼吁主要的民主捐助者寻找进步人士。
He says, often these conversations started out friendly enough.
他说，这些谈话通常一开始就足够友好。
People liked Beals' resume, his background qualifications.
人们喜欢比尔斯的简历和他的背景资格。
But often things would take a turn.
但事情往往会出现转机。
One major democratic donor, a former Goldman Sachs guy actually, he told Beals Medicare for All is a handout.
一位主要的民主党捐助者，实际上是前高盛员工，他告诉比尔斯全民医疗保险是一份施舍。
And it's a political loser.
这是一个政治失败者。
Lots of big donors saw it as this lefty thing that could sandbag the party in general elections.
许多大捐助者将其视为可以在大选中给该党带来影响的左派人物。
They remember the backlash to Obamacare.
他们记得对奥巴马医改的强烈反对。
Another guy, an investment banker type, he says, sure.
另一个人，投资银行家类型，他说，当然。
I'll contribute.
我会做出贡献。
I'll contribute to your campaign.
我将为您的竞选活动做出贡献。
But you have to change your website because it says "rigged economy." And you need to change, "rigged economy" on your website.
但你必须改变你的网站，因为它说“被操纵的经济”。你需要改变你网站上的“被操纵的经济”。
I don't like that.
我不喜欢这样。
And it's just a distortion.
这只是一种扭曲。
And I said, well, I can't change that.
我说，好吧，我无法改变这一点。
He couldn't change that because that would mean giving up the main argument he thinks Democrats should be making right now.
他无法改变这一点，因为这意味着放弃他认为民主党现在应该提出的主要论点。
I think that a lot of democratic politics has been about trying to find the least offensive cause to the donor class to rally people around while stepping on the fewest toes.
我认为，很多民主政治都是在试图找到对捐助者阶级来说最不冒犯的原因，以在最少踩到脚趾的情况下团结人们。
And there are worthy causes you can rally people around.
您可以通过一些有价值的事业来团结人们。
Guns-- you can rally people around that.
枪支——你可以团结人们围绕它。
And you could maybe get to 51-49 and win.
你也许可以以 51-49 获胜。
You could also there, too, get to 51-49 or better, and win.
你也可以在那里取得 51-49 或更好的成绩，并获胜。
But I do believe that there is a way bigger axis out there that people with a lot of money don't want us organizing on, and it's the economic axis.
但我确实相信，有一个更大的轴心，有很多钱的人不希望我们在其上组织起来，这就是经济轴心。
That's in axis where you got 1% on one side, and you've got more than 90% on the other side.
在轴上，一侧有 1%，而另一侧有超过 90%。
And you really change politics in America because you're built on the axis against income inequality in a rigged economy.
你确实改变了美国的政治，因为你建立在反对受操纵经济中的收入不平等的轴心上。
Then you build a very big movement.
然后你发起一个非常大的运动。
The more major democratic donors Beals called, the more amazed he became and how explicit the conversations got, how direct they were in telling him to change what he was saying and campaigning on.
比尔斯打电话给主要的民主捐助者越多，他就越惊讶，谈话变得多么明确，他们多么直接地告诉他改变他的言论和竞选活动。
Of course, like anybody, Beals figured politics was like this.
当然，和其他人一样，比尔斯也认为政治就是这样。
But it was different to see it in real life, to be in the conversations, to be the person getting his arm twisted.
但在现实生活中、在谈话中、在成为那个被扭曲手臂的人中看到它是不同的。
He came to the conclusion that most of the Democratic Party's major donors are against progressive ideas.
他得出的结论是，大多数民主党的主要捐助者都反对进步思想。
Research published by the Washington Post backs this up-- major donors do skew moderate.
《华盛顿邮报》发表的研究支持了这一点——主要捐助者确实偏向温和。
Beals felt confident that there were people out there who agreed with him.
比尔斯相信有人同意他的观点。
He just had to connect with them.
他只需要与他们联系即可。
His plan was to run out and shout this progressive battle cry and hope than an army filled in behind him.
他的计划是跑出去，高喊进步的战斗口号和希望，而不是身后的军队。
And for Beals, the battle cry was Medicare for All.
对于比尔斯来说，战斗口号是全民医疗保险。
This was June of last year, exactly when Bernie Sanders was stumping for Medicare for All, pressuring Democrats into picking a side.
这是去年 6 月，恰逢伯尼·桑德斯 (Bernie Sanders) 为全民医疗保险进行竞选，迫使民主党选边站。
Everyone had to declare which team they were on or they had to dodge.
每个人都必须宣布自己属于哪一队，否则就必须躲避。
It became the national border between progressives and establishment Democrats.
它成为进步派和建制民主党之间的国界。
It was exactly the thing Beals would talk about to try to find voters.
这正是比尔斯为了寻找选民而谈论的事情。
Good evening everyone.
大家晚上好。
Ben Calhoun One of the races first candidate forums was on August 23rd, 2017 at an old church.
本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun) 竞选的第一个候选人论坛于 2017 年 8 月 23 日在一座老教堂举行。
Around 6:00 PM, Beals walked in the front with about half a dozen other candidates past pews of people fanning themselves.
下午 6:00 左右，比尔斯和大约六名其他候选人走在前面，经过长凳上扇着扇子的人。
He walked in with a plan that night.
那天晚上，他带着一个计划走了进来。
Beals plan, as he sat down on his stool up front, was to declare his support for what Sanders was doing as forcefully as he possibly could.
当比尔斯坐在前面的凳子上时，他的计划是尽可能有力地宣布他对桑德斯所做的事情的支持。
Like, he didn't want to just say Medicare for All.
就像，他不想只说全民医疗保险。
He was like, I don't want to leave any room for doubt.
他说，我不想留下任何怀疑的余地。
I want to pledge support for the Medicare for All bill that's sitting in the house right now, House Bill 676.
我想承诺支持目前正在众议院审议的全民医疗保险法案，即众议院第 676 号法案。
So health care comes up.
于是医疗保健就出现了。
And I said, we have a health crisis in the district.
我说，我们该地区面临健康危机。
We have a health care crisis in this country.
我们这个国家面临医疗保健危机。
The solution of the crisis Medicare for All, and I support House Resolution 676.
全民医保危机的解决方案，我支持众议院第676号决议。
And I hear this scream in the audience.
我听到观众席上的尖叫声。
You can actually hear this on the recording of the forum.
您实际上可以在论坛录音中听到这一点。
When I get to Congress, it's called House Resolution 676--
当我到达国会时，它被称为众议院第 676 号决议——
Woo!
哇！
Jeff Beals Medicare for All.
杰夫·比尔斯全民医疗保险。
And a vote for--
并投票给——
I have been going to concerts for a very long time.
我去听音乐会已经很长时间了。
So I'm a very skilled woo-er.
所以我是一个非常熟练的求爱者。
So I wooed as loud as I possibly can.
所以我尽可能大声地求爱。
You've got a veteran woo?
你有老武士吗？
Anique D'angelo Yes.
安妮克·德安吉洛 是的。
Well practiced.
练得好。
This is Anique D'Angelo.
这是安妮克·德安吉洛。
She's a community organizer.
她是一名社区组织者。
She'd gone to the forum that day with her best friend.
那天她和她最好的朋友一起去了论坛。
Both were Sanders supporters and they were both looking at candidates in New York 19.
两人都是桑德斯的支持者，并且都在纽约寻找候选人 19。
And they weren't liking what they saw.
他们不喜欢他们所看到的。
We were like, oh, you know, maybe we would get behind him if we had to.
我们当时想，哦，你知道，如果有必要的话，也许我们会支持他。
You mean, because you were hearing the things that they were proposing and you were like, these don't sound like what?
你的意思是，因为你听到了他们提出的建议，而你觉得这些听起来不像什么？
Like what?
比如什么？
So we had decided after the last election, after the last primary, that this is the moment that things are going to happen and we need someone who is for universalist programs, supports Medicare for All, and like--
因此，在上次选举之后，在上次初选之后，我们决定，这是事情即将发生的时刻，我们需要一个支持全民计划、支持全民医疗保险的人，比如——
You were like, we need to get a real progressive in this race.
你说，我们需要在这场比赛中取得真正的进步。
Yeah.
是的。
Before Bernie I had always thought a moderate is as good as we're going to get.
在伯尼之前，我一直认为温和派就是我们所能得到的最好的了。
This is why Anique yelled, because when Beals said what he said she felt like she had found her candidate.
这就是阿妮克大喊大叫的原因，因为当比尔斯说出他所说的话时，她感觉自己找到了自己的候选人。
She felt like she wanted a firm commitment on single payer, Medicare for All.
她觉得自己想要对单一付款人全民医疗保险做出坚定的承诺。
And she was hearing Democrats talk about fixing the Affordable Care Act and working towards universal coverage.
她听到民主党人谈论修改《平价医疗法案》并努力实现全民覆盖。
And if Medicare for All and universal coverage sound like the same thing, here's the difference.
如果全民医疗保险和全民医疗保险听起来像是同一件事，那么差异就在于此。
Medicare for All is national health care.
全民医疗保险是国家医疗保健。
The government takes over the system, gives everyone insurance.
政府接管这个系统，为每个人提供保险。
Universal coverage is more general.
全民覆盖更为普遍。
I'd like to get everyone covered somehow.
我想让每个人都能以某种方式得到保护。
Maybe some people will keep their current insurance.
也许有些人会保留目前的保险。
Maybe some people will pay to get Medicare.
也许有些人会支付医疗保险费用。
Maybe we leave the system mostly how it is.
也许我们基本上让系统保持原样。
Maybe we change all of this gradually.
也许我们会逐渐改变这一切。
Anique isn't looking for this kind of incrementalism.
Anique 并不寻求这种渐进主义。
She thinks that's what Democrats always say and then they wuss out.
她认为民主党人总是这么说，然后他们就放弃了。
She's fed up.
她厌倦了。
You know, I am a professional person in my early 30s and can't use my health insurance because I have a $4,000 deductible, right?
你知道，我是一个 30 岁出头的专业人士，不能使用我的健康保险，因为我有 4,000 美元的免赔额，对吧？
I mean, I think if you start from a place of, we have to be incremental, you never get to the end goal because there's corporate interests that get in the way, right?
我的意思是，我认为如果你从一个地方开始，我们必须渐进，你永远无法达到最终目标，因为有企业利益阻碍，对吧？
If we said, we're doing this, we'll figure it out.
如果我们说，我们正在这样做，我们就会解决这个问题。
How did we get social security, right?
我们如何获得社会保障，对吗？
We [BLEEP] did it.
我们[哔]做到了。
I don't know if I'm allowed to curse, but--
我不知道我是否可以咒骂，但是——
From that day forward, August 23rd, 2017, Anique D'Angelo was a Beals supporter.
从2017年8月23日那天起，阿妮克·德安吉洛就成为了比尔斯的支持者。
She phone banked in the evening, drove to events all across the district.
她晚上打电话，开车去参加整个地区的活动。
Soon supporters like Anique were fanning out for Beals.
很快，像阿尼克这样的支持者就开始支持比尔斯。
The campaign was crystallizing around a plan.
这场活动正在围绕一项计划具体化。
Sanders had gotten 35,000 votes in the primary, which Beals saw as 35,000 Aniques scattered all across the district.
桑德斯在初选中获得了 35,000 张选票，比尔斯认为 35,000 名安尼克人分散在整个选区。
So Beals' campaign looked at the map of where those votes had come from, the precincts where Sanders support was the densest.
因此，比尔斯的竞选团队着眼于这些选票的来源地图，即桑德斯支持最密集的选区。
They targeted their efforts there.
他们的努力目标就在那里。
If they could just get a third of those people, 12,000 votes, they figured they'd have a serious shot because, not to overwhelm you with numbers here, only 19,000 people voted in the last democratic primary.
如果他们能得到这些人中的三分之一，即 12,000 张选票，他们认为自己就有很大的机会，因为，不要让这里的数字压倒你，在上一次民主初选中只有 19,000 人投票。
So 12,000-- that could win this one.
所以 12,000 人——这可能会赢得这场比赛。
Before long came the first real test for Beale's theory that he could run a campaign that didn't rely on big donors and money, that would be fueled by a flood of volunteers and enthusiasm for brash progressive stuff.
不久之后，比尔的理论就迎来了第一次真正的考验，即他可以开展一场不依赖大额捐助者和金钱的竞选活动，而这将由大量志愿者和对激进进步事物的热情推动。
The test was something that seems kind of basic, getting his name on the ballot.
这次测试看起来很简单，就是把他的名字写在选票上。
Like I said, it's easy to say you're running for Congress.
就像我说的，很容易说你正在竞选国会议员。
It's actually hard to get your name on the ballot.
事实上，让你的名字出现在选票上是很困难的。
I was told that it would cost $200,000 to get yourself on the ballot.
我被告知要花 20 万美元才能参加投票。
I was told $200,000.
有人告诉我20万美元。
That was an interesting moment, because that would be an obstacle because I don't got that money, period.
那是一个有趣的时刻，因为这将成为一个障碍，因为我没有那么多钱，就这样。
Here's why it costs so much money.
这就是为什么它要花这么多钱。
Beale's was told, you're going to need a lawyer on retainer.
比尔律师事务所被告知，你将需要一名聘请律师。
And you're going to need an army of paid canvassers.
你将需要一支由付费游说者组成的军队。
And you're going to need those things because getting signatures is harder than it sounds.
你将需要这些东西，因为获得签名比听起来更难。
To get on the ballot in New York 19 requires 1,250 signatures but there are rules.
要在纽约参加投票，19需要1,250个签名，但有规则。
Only registered Democrats can sign.
只有注册的民主党人才能签名。
The signature has to be witnessed by another registered Democrat.
签名必须由另一名注册民主党人见证。
And people can only sign for one candidate.
人们只能为一名候选人签名。
So if another campaign got there first, you're out of luck.
因此，如果其他竞选活动先到达那里，那么你就不走运了。
You mess up any of that, the signature can get tossed out.
如果你搞砸了其中任何一个，签名就会被扔掉。
So 1,250-- you can't just get 1,250.
所以 1,250——你不能只得到 1,250。
So all they got to do is find three people who put their middle initial wrong and you're done.
所以他们所要做的就是找到三个中间名首字母写错的人，然后你就完成了。
Generally, the thing you do is collect way more than the requirement to send a message to other campaigns not to mess with you.
一般来说，您所做的事情是收集比向其他活动发送消息以免打扰您的要求更多的信息。
And you hire that lawyer to defend your signatures.
然后你聘请律师来捍卫你的签名。
All of this for a traditional campaign needs a boatload of money.
对于传统的竞选活动来说，所有这些都需要大量资金。
Beals' staff knew this was a moment to prove themselves.
比尔斯的员工知道这是证明自己的时刻。
We're not going to be on the ballot unless volunteers are willing to carry the campaign forward.
除非志愿者愿意推动竞选活动，否则我们不会参与投票。
And we put out the call and people gathered hundreds of signatures for the campaign.
我们发出了呼吁，人们为这次活动收集了数百个签名。
And we wound up with over 3,200 signatures all off this volunteer spirit.
我们最终收到了超过 3,200 个签名，这一切都体现了这种志愿者精神。
And they just did it on their own.
他们只是自己做的。
For Beals, this was vindication, proof that the thing he thought was possible actually might be possible.
对于比尔斯来说，这是一种辩护，证明他认为可能的事情实际上可能是可能的。
Proof that the conventional wisdom might be wrong.
事实证明传统智慧可能是错误的。
A campaign like his, it could work.
像他这样的活动是可以奏效的。
I mean, I didn't even know all the people that were doing it.
我的意思是，我什至不认识所有这样做的人。
And you realize that a campaign is not a thing you run.
你意识到竞选活动不是你运行的事情。
It's a thing you unleash.
这是你释放的东西。
And it either is picked up and carried forward by people or it isn't.
它要么被人们继承并发扬光大，要么不被人们继承和继承。
And that started to happen.
这一切开始发生。
And that's-- you know, calling it inspiring is an understatement.
那就是——你知道，称其为鼓舞人心是轻描淡写的。
That was incredible.
这太不可思议了。
And frankly, my whole candidacy has been a gamble on the existence of that.
坦率地说，我的整个候选资格就是对这一点的存在的赌博。
If it's there, then there's a campaign.
如果有的话，那就有一场活动。
And if there isn't, then there's no campaign.
如果没有，那就没有竞选活动。
Ben Calhoun.
本·卡尔霍恩.
Coming up, Democrats who are not Jeff Beals.
接下来是杰夫·比尔斯以外的民主党人。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
This American Life, I'm Ira Glass.
这个美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, It's My Party and I'll Try If I Want To, about a candidate who's running for Congress for the very first time and what his race tells us about what is happening inside the Democratic Party this year.
今天的节目《这是我的政党，如果我想的话，我会尝试》讲述了一位首次竞选国会的候选人，以及他的竞选告诉我们今年民主党内部发生的事情。
The candidate we're following, Jeff Beals, is a Bernie Sanders style progressive.
我们关注的候选人杰夫·比尔斯 (Jeff Beals) 是伯尼·桑德斯 (Bernie Sanders) 风格的进步派。
And around the country this past year, the climate between the party apparatus and progressives has been pretty toxic at times because of a handful of incidents that progressives have taken as signs of the party's hostility.
去年在全国各地，政党机构和进步派之间的气氛有时相当恶劣，因为进步派将一些事件视为党的敌意迹象。
The most notorious one was in Texas.
最臭名昭著的是德克萨斯州。
The DCCC released opposition research on a progressive candidate named Laura Moser for her primary.
DCCC 发布了针对一位名叫劳拉·莫泽 (Laura Moser) 的初选进步候选人的反对派研究报告。
Progressives kind of freaked out.
进步派有点吓坏了。
There've been a few other blow ups in Pennsylvania, Nebraska, New York, Minnesota, Colorado.
宾夕法尼亚州、内布拉斯加州、纽约州、明尼苏达州、科罗拉多州还发生了其他几起爆炸事件。
Party officials say that they have nothing against progressive congressional candidates or their ideas.
党内官员表示，他们并不反对进步的国会候选人或他们的想法。
In Jeff Beals' race, in New York's 19th congressional district, election day is this coming Tuesday and there's a whole array of candidates.
杰夫·比尔斯 (Jeff Beals) 在纽约第 19 国会选区竞选，选举日将于下周二举行，届时将有众多候选人。
Ben Calhoun picks up our story from here.
本·卡尔霍恩从这里开始我们的故事。
By early 2018, seven Democrats had officially declared in the race for New York 19.
到 2018 年初，已有 7 名民主党人正式宣布参加纽约 19 区的竞选。
Seven, I know-- so many.
七个，我知道——很多。
I've gone out with about half of them knocking doors.
我出去的时候，大约有一半的人在敲门。
The most common thing that voters do is they make a joke, some form of holy crap there's a lot of you people!
选民最常见的事情就是开个玩笑，某种形式的废话，你们很多人！
So let's just spin through the cast.
那么让我们简单介绍一下演员阵容。
There's an economist and triathlete who jumped in late.
有一位经济学家和铁人三项运动员很晚才加入。
As the only woman in the race, got the backing of Emily's List.
作为比赛中唯一的女性，得到了艾米丽名单的支持。
She's making a fairly bald play for women voters.
她为女性选民做出了相当露骨的表演。
I'm not going to let those boys beat me.
我不会让那些男孩打败我。
There's a community activist who's also a personal injury lawyer.
有一位社区活动家同时也是一名人身伤害律师。
There's a young staffer for New York governor Andrew Cuomo who's got the money and connections that come with that.
纽约州州长安德鲁·科莫有一位年轻的幕僚，他拥有随之而来的金钱和人脉。
He's driving a 1999 Ford Winnebago to every town in the district.
他开着一辆 1999 款福特温尼贝戈 (Ford Winnebago) 前往该地区的每个城镇。
Somebody must have pointed out how much pollution those old RVs pump out, because now he tells audiences he's buying carbon offsets.
一定有人指出了这些旧房车排放了多少污染，因为现在他告诉观众他正在购买碳补偿。
And then there are three candidates who have raised the most money.
然后是筹集资金最多的三位候选人。
Each has raised over a million dollars.
每个人都筹集了超过一百万美元。
There's Antonio Delgado, the lawyer from the lobbying firm, Brian Flynn, the medical devices executive, and an Iraq veteran named Pat Ryan.
其中包括游说公司的律师安东尼奥·德尔加多（Antonio Delgado）、医疗设备主管布莱恩·弗林（Brian Flynn）和伊拉克退伍军人帕特·瑞安（Pat Ryan）。
Beals has targeted these three.
比尔斯瞄准了这三人。
For him they represent the big money politics he's waging war against.
对他来说，它们代表了他正在反对的大金钱政治。
Inconveniently for Beals, all three of these candidates sell themselves as progressives, identify themselves that way in opening remarks in ads.
让比尔斯感到不便的是，这三位候选人都将自己推销为进步派，并在广告中的开场白中以这种方式表明自己的身份。
And I got to imagine, all seven candidates would be pretty dependable votes against the president.
我可以想象，所有七位候选人都会相当可靠地投票反对总统。
They talk in samey ways about immigration.
他们以同样的方式谈论移民。
They all believe in climate change.
他们都相信气候变化。
They all support public education.
他们都支持公共教育。
But on the big dividing line issue for Democrats, the one that's supposed to separate the progressive team from the establishment team, Medicare for All, there's division.
但在民主党的重大分界线问题上，也就是将进步团队与建制团队分开的问题上，即全民医疗保险，存在分歧。
Of the three big money candidates, Flynn the medical devices CEO, he's for it.
在三位大手笔候选人中，医疗设备首席执行官弗林表示支持。
The other two, Ryan and Delgado, they are not for Medicare for All, which we know because there was a candidate forum in a town called Oneonta.
另外两个，瑞安和德尔加多，他们不支持全民医疗保险，我们知道这一点是因为在一个叫奥尼昂塔的小镇有一个候选人论坛。
They got to asked flat out, Medicare for All, are you for that?
他们必须直截了当地问，全民医疗保险，你支持吗？
Yes or no. Here's their answers.
是还是不是。这是他们的答案。
But Ryan and Delgado, they do this interesting thing you see in a lot of races around the country this year.
但是瑞安和德尔加多，他们做了一件有趣的事情，你可以在今年全国各地的许多比赛中看到这一点。
While progressives are trying to draw this line in the sand, Ryan and Delgado are trying to blur the line out of existence.
当进步人士试图在沙子上划定这条界限时，瑞安和德尔加多却试图模糊这条界限，使之消失。
They're like, line?
他们就像，线？
I don't see a line.
我没有看到一条线。
Oh, look, Donald Trump!
哦，看，唐纳德·特朗普！
Get him!
抓住他！
If you go to their websites or you watch their commercials, you might really think Ryan and Delgado agree with Beals on health care.
如果你访问他们的网站或观看他们的广告，你可能真的认为瑞安和德尔加多在医疗保健方面同意比尔斯的观点。
Delgado's website, for instance, says, I will fight for universal affordable quality health care for everyone.
例如，德尔加多的网站称，我将为每个人提供普遍负担得起的优质医疗保健而奋斗。
He's running TV ads with that kind of language.
他正在用这种语言投放电视广告。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
That's awesome people.
那真是太棒了。
Love to get engaged and take this democracy back.
喜欢订婚并恢复这种民主。
We have to fight for universal, affordable, quality health care for everyone.
我们必须努力为每个人提供普遍的、负担得起的、高质量的医疗保健。
I went to a fundraiser for Delgado at somebody's house.
我去某人家里参加了为德尔加多举办的筹款活动。
After he left, some people said they thought Delgado was for Medicare for All from the way that he talked but they weren't totally sure.
他离开后，一些人说，从德尔加多说话的方式来看，他们认为他支持全民医疗保险，但他们并不完全确定。
They asked me, do you know?
他们问我，你知道吗？
I said, well, I was just at this forum and he said no. Several felt misled.
我说，好吧，我刚刚参加了这个论坛，他拒绝了。一些人感到被误导了。
I told Delgado about it later.
我后来把这件事告诉了德尔加多。
I would say, well, I'm sorry for the confusion first and foremost.
我想说，首先，我对造成的混乱表示歉意。
What I've stated, and how I've stated my position has been abundantly clear.
我所说的以及我如何表达我的立场已经非常清楚了。
And then to the extent there were folks who were confused by that, I would certainly sit down with them and make sure they understood where I was coming from.
如果有人对此感到困惑，我肯定会和他们坐下来，确保他们理解我的观点。
Delgado's attitude is, let's just get everyone covered somehow.
德尔加多的态度是，让我们以某种方式让每个人都得到保障。
Saying, let's have government pay for everybody, Medicare for All, that narrows your options, alienates some voters, and it ignores specific realities.
说，让政府为每个人支付费用，为所有人提供医疗保险，这会缩小你的选择范围，疏远一些选民，而且忽视了具体的现实。
Oh, well, some of the specific realities include the fact that currently 153 million folks right now are relying on employer-based insurance.
哦，好吧，一些具体的现实包括目前有 1.53 亿人依赖雇主保险。
That's a lot of people.
那是很多人。
And a good number of those folks actually like their insurance.
其中很多人实际上喜欢他们的保险。
On top of that, we do not have an administrative apparatus yet developed across the nation that can meaningfully and responsibly and effectively transition to a completely government controlled system.
最重要的是，我们还没有在全国范围内建立起能够有意义、负责任和有效地过渡到完全由政府控制的体系的行政机构。
This can either seem like a totally reasonable and realistic way to think about the politics of health care in this country, or it can sound the way that it sounds to Beals and his supporters-- like a sellout, like Delgado doesn't stand with them at all.
这要么看起来是思考这个国家医疗保健政治的完全合理和现实的方式，要么听起来像比尔斯和他的支持者听起来的那样——就像出卖一样，就像德尔加多根本不与他们站在一起。
Here's Beals.
这是比尔斯。
That's not a minor point of difference.
这不是一个小差别。
That's a chasm.
那是一个鸿沟。
Everybody knows that's just a fig leaf for accepting corporate influence over the issue and refusing to take on a very powerful lobby and industry.
每个人都知道，这只是接受企业对这个问题的影响并拒绝与非常强大的游说和行业较量的遮羞布。
That's all that that is.
仅此而已。
Beals finds it galling that anyone could think he and Delgado want the same thing on health care.
比尔斯感到很恼火的是，任何人都认为他和德尔加多在医疗保健方面有同样的愿望。
He's really frustrated by it.
他真的为此感到沮丧。
And he sees his role in this race to call this out, and to call it the role of money in the race, and to go after the mainstream big money candidates.
他认为自己在这场竞选中的角色是要指出这一点，并称其为金钱在竞选中的角色，并追随主流的大资金候选人。
In Beals' eyes, they embody everything that's wrong with the party.
在比尔斯眼中，他们体现了该党的一切错误。
And there's plenty in their bios to set him off.
他们的简历中有很多东西可以让他失望。
Last week he sent me this ad.
上周他给我发了这个广告。
Brian Flynn, the medical devices guy who financed his campaign with $700,000 of his own money, whose company manufactures overseas, he put out an ad where he says quote, "billionaires and corporations have rigged the system against us." In the ad there's a picture of Flynn.
布莱恩·弗林 (Brian Flynn) 是一名医疗设备专家，他自掏腰包为自己的竞选活动提供了 70 万美元的资金，他的公司在海外进行生产。他在广告中引用了一句话：“亿万富翁和企业操纵了系统来对付我们。”广告中有一张弗林的照片。
He's wearing a $9,000 watch, a Rolex.
他戴着一块价值 9,000 美元的劳力士手表。
Like he didn't even know enough to take it off.
就好像他根本不知道把它脱下来一样。
At every candidate forum I've seen, Beals has gone after those guys, accusing them of being bought and sold, tied to all the big donations they've taken.
在我见过的每一个候选人论坛上，比尔斯都在追捕这些人，指责他们被买卖，与他们接受的所有巨额捐款挂钩。
We have to stop these practices.
我们必须停止这些做法。
We have to stop selling our seat.
我们必须停止出售我们的座位。
We have to stop selling our representation.
我们必须停止出售我们的代表权。
Here he is in November, in a packed middle school auditorium.
十一月，他在拥挤的中学礼堂里。
--corporate power has bought out our own representative.
——企业力量买下了我们自己的代表。
And it has bought out our own ability to take control of our economy and have the jobs we need to have.
它买断了我们控制经济和获得我们需要的工作的能力。
Unfortunately, three of the candidates here are working for those large corporations.
不幸的是，这里的三名候选人正在为那些大公司工作。
One of them shut down a factory in New York State, in Buffalo, moving jobs to the Dominican Republic.
其中之一关闭了纽约州布法罗的一家工厂，将工作岗位转移到多米尼加共和国。
Another one of them works for one of the largest lobbying law firms in the United States and does white collar criminal defense for those companies when they--
其中另一位在美国最大的游说律师事务所工作，为这些公司提供白领刑事辩护，当他们——
I didn't realize that it was going to be shocking for anybody that I would say it.
我没有意识到我说的话会让任何人感到震惊。
But you could feel it.
但你能感觉到。
I mean, I don't know if I believe in ESP.
我的意思是，我不知道我是否相信ESP。
But I do believe that when a human being beside you is rising into rage there is some sort of black cloud emerging, and I felt it.
但我确实相信，当你身边的一个人勃然大怒时，就会有某种乌云浮现，我感觉到了。
Beals says he was surprised by how strong the reaction was, onstage but then also afterwards.
比尔斯说，他对台上和台后的反应如此强烈感到惊讶。
Afterwards, one of the county chairs came up to my chief of staff and said, he can't do that.
后来，一位县主席走到我的幕僚长面前说，他不能这样做。
She said, no one likes Dem on Dem violence.
她说，没有人喜欢民主党的暴力行为。
And the county chair said the same thing to me personally-- stop this.
县主席亲自对我说了同样的话——停止这种行为。
No one likes Dem on Dem violence.
没有人喜欢民主党的暴力行为。
And I said, I don't-- Dem on Dem violence?
我说，我不——民主党对民主党的暴力？
You know, that's a conversation.
你知道，那是一次对话。
Nobody was hit.
没有人被击中。
His opponents respond with an argument you hear from lots of Democrats right now.
他的对手用你现在从许多民主党人那里听到的论点来回应。
This is Gareth Rhodes, the former gubernatorial staffer.
我是前州长工作人员加雷斯·罗兹 (Gareth Rhodes)。
The way we don't win is by attacking each other and bringing each other down.
我们无法取胜的方法就是互相攻击并打倒对方。
We need--
我们需要——
Here's Pat Ryan, veteran.
这是帕特·瑞安，老兵。
Pat Ryan I got to say something after what was just said, all the Democrats in this room have to stand together, period.
帕特·瑞安（Pat Ryan）在刚刚说过的话之后我必须说点什么，这个房间里的所有民主党人都必须站在一起，就这样。
That is how we--
我们就是这样——
And I was told, don't do it.
有人告诉我，不要这样做。
It gives ammunition for John Faso.
它为约翰·法索提供弹药。
That is, Beals attacks will make it easier for Faso to beat whoever wins the primary.
也就是说，比尔斯的进攻将使法索更容易击败任何赢得初选的人。
Which is to me, ridiculous.
这对我来说很荒谬。
The idea that it provides ammunition to Faso, give me a break.
它为法索提供弹药的想法让我休息一下。
These people will invent all the ammunition they want and everything I'm talking about is there, is simply people's resumes.
这些人会发明他们想要的所有弹药，我所说的一切都在那里，只是人们的简历。
And I mean, what is a primary?
我的意思是，什么是初级？
A primary is about the party and about what the party stands for.
初选是关于政党以及政党代表什么的。
So if you were to show me, persuasively, another place where this conversation is going to happen, well then maybe you'll convince me.
因此，如果你有说服力地向我展示这次对话将要发生的另一个地方，那么也许你会说服我。
Oh, no, no, Jeff, we're doing that over there, on this day, with the DCCC at our platform conference.
哦，不，不，杰夫，我们正在那里，今天，在我们的平台会议上与 DCCC 一起这样做。
OK, maybe.
好吧，也许吧。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I can't imagine what the scenario would be.
我无法想象那会是怎样的场景。
But if you're not going to show me a place where it's going to happen then it damn well better happen here.
但如果你不打算向我展示一个发生这种情况的地方，那么最好发生在这里。
It's typical for the party, the DCCC, to check in with candidates and for campaigns to let them know how things are going.
DCCC 的典型做法是与候选人进行沟通，并让他们了解竞选活动的进展情况。
And every three months, the DCCC sends Beals fundraising goals-- $450,000, $500,000, what he's supposed to raise that quarter.
每三个月，DCCC 就会向 Beals 发送一次筹款目标——45 万美元、50 万美元，即他本季度应该筹集的资金。
The kind of money they believe is necessary to compete against a Republican in a district like this.
他们认为，在这样的地区与共和党人竞争需要这笔钱。
Beals missed all those fundraising goals.
比尔斯未能实现所有这些筹款目标。
He's raised about $316,000, which might have been respectable a decade ago, but these days is near the bottom rung of viability.
他筹集了大约 316,000 美元，这在十年前可能是可观的，但如今已接近生存能力的最低水平。
He thinks they don't get what he's doing or the kind of campaign he's trying to run.
他认为他们不明白他正在做的事情或他试图开展的竞选活动。
He says the fundraising goals aren't just this neutral practical bar to get over.
他表示，筹款目标不仅仅是一个需要克服的中立的实际障碍。
They come with ideology.
他们带着意识形态而来。
When the DCCC was saying, raise x dollars by this date, what they were really saying was, adopt these positions and call the following people who are well known, who will contribute to a campaign if you have those positions.
当 DCCC 说，在这个日期之前筹集 x 美元时，他们真正想说的是，采取这些立场并召集以下知名人士，如果你有这些立场，他们将为竞选做出贡献。
And you'll have this much money by that date.
到那个日期你就会有这么多钱了。
There was an ideological message there but the fake of it was just asking for the money.
那里有一个意识形态信息，但假的只是要钱。
Party officials insist that the fundraising goals, they're not ideological.
党内官员坚称，筹款目标与意识形态无关。
They're practical.
它们很实用。
It's reality.
这是现实。
Ian Russell used to be the political director for the DCCC.
伊恩·拉塞尔 (Ian Russell) 曾担任 DCCC 的政治总监。
He says a campaign like Beals is imagining can win, but it's a lot harder and would require a huge grassroots organization.
他说，像比尔斯想象的那样的竞选活动可以获胜，但这要困难得多，并且需要一个庞大的基层组织。
And he says in a district like New York 19, because it's so spread out, a lot of the fight happens on TV.
他说，在像 New York 19 这样的地区，因为它非常分散，所以很多打斗都会在电视上发生。
If you're not running ads in the general election you let your Republican opponent control the conversation.
如果你不在大选中投放广告，你就让你的共和党对手控制了对话。
In Russell's experience, if a campaign like Beals' does make it through the primary, the party can end up in a tough spot.
根据拉塞尔的经验，如果像比尔斯这样的竞选活动确实能够通过初选，该党最终可能会陷入困境。
They've got a limited amount of money.
他们的钱是有限的。
They don't want to pull money away from other races so that they can prop up an underfunded campaign like Beals.
他们不想从其他竞选中抽走资金，以便支持比尔斯这样资金不足的竞选活动。
The DCCC isn't the Salvation Army and shouldn't be the Salvation Army.
DCCC不是救世军，也不应该是救世军。
Their job is to help democratic nominees who are viable get elected.
他们的工作是帮助有生存能力的民主候选人当选。
They have to make tough calls about who to fund.
他们必须就向谁提供资助做出艰难的决定。
Those calls are not made based on ideology.
这些呼吁并非基于意识形态。
They're not made on anything except viability.
除了生存能力之外，它们没有任何其他因素。
That's been the case.
情况就是如此。
It's always the case.
情况总是如此。
It's not without controversy.
这并非没有争议。
But it's an unfortunate symptom of our political system right now that candidates have to be able to raise the money to compete.
但现在我们政治制度的一个不幸症状是候选人必须能够筹集资金才能竞争。
The Republicans have tens of millions of dollars in dark money at their disposal.
共和党拥有数千万美元的黑钱可供支配。
Democrats have to fight back.
民主党必须反击。
It's selfish and irresponsible if a nominee in a must win seat isn't pulling his or her weight and doing what they need to do to raise the money.
如果一个必须赢得席位的提名人没有尽自己的努力，做他们需要做的事情来筹集资金，这是自私和不负责任的。
If candidates aren't able to raise at least some of those resources on their own and show that they're willing to put in the work, it A, substantially decreases the chance they'll get elected in the first place.
如果候选人无法自行筹集至少部分资源并表明他们愿意投入工作，那么他们首先当选的机会就会大大降低。
But B, it requires the DCCC to move money in from other districts.
但是B，它要求DCCC从其他地区转移资金。
Or, even worse, can result in a district coming off the board because the Democratic candidate just gets buried.
或者，更糟糕的是，可能会导致一个选区因民主党候选人被埋葬而被淘汰。
I put to him Beals case, that the donors the party steers him toward have a moderate agenda.
我向他提出了比尔斯的案例，即该党引导他走向的捐助者有一个温和的议程。
And so what he says is, de facto, the fundraising goals you're giving for me are an ideological agenda.
所以他所说的是，事实上，你为我设定的筹款目标是一个意识形态议程。
That's a cop out.
那是一个警察出来了。
That's a cop out.
那是一个警察出来了。
That's just not the case.
事实并非如此。
I'm sure there are many moderate donors who are writing checks.
我确信有很多温和的捐助者正在写支票。
But there's also an excited progressive wing in the party that's helping candidates raise millions and millions of dollars.
但党内还有一个兴奋的进步派正在帮助候选人筹集数百万美元。
Again, in this district Zephyr Teachout's an example of that.
在这个地区，Zephyr Teachout 就是一个例子。
Zephyr Teachout's a person.
Zephyr Teachout 是一个人。
She's a progressive who ran against Faso in 2016.
她是一位进步人士，曾在 2016 年与法索竞选。
Russell points out that Teachout raised about $5 million with politics a lot like Beals.
拉塞尔指出，蒂奇特通过政治筹集了大约 500 万美元，就像比尔斯一样。
She did that by making herself a little famous with progressives.
她通过让自己在进步人士中小有名气来做到这一点。
She did things like get on MSNBC so then she could get small donations from progressives all over the country.
她做了一些事情，比如登上微软全国广播公司（MSNBC），这样她就可以从全国各地的进步人士那里获得小额捐款。
Russell says that's what candidates like Beals have to do.
拉塞尔说，这就是像比尔斯这样的候选人必须做的事情。
I've worked for Howard Dean in 2003, 2004, who helped create this idea, invent this idea of asking people for money on the internet.
我曾在 2003 年和 2004 年为霍华德·迪恩 (Howard Dean) 工作，他帮助创造了这个想法，发明了在互联网上向人们要钱的想法。
You can give people the chance to come in and help your campaign if it's a cause that excites them and inspires them.
如果人们的活动能够激发他们的兴奋和灵感，那么你可以让他们有机会参与并帮助你的活动。
But you have to put the work out to make it happen.
但你必须付出努力才能实现这一目标。
You can't just sit back and expect somebody else to come and do the work for you, or for the DCCC to come in and bail you out.
你不能袖手旁观，指望其他人来为你做事，或者让 DCCC 介入并保释你。
That's just not how it works.
事实并非如此。
Beals relationship with the party went steadily downhill.
比尔斯与党的关系逐渐恶化。
And by February he says, it was nothing but arguments about him missing fundraising goals.
他说，到了二月份，大家都在争论他未能实现筹款目标。
And then came this phone call.
然后就接到了这个电话。
Beals and two people from the campaign, with the DCCC's northeast political director.
比尔斯和两个人来自竞选活动，与DCCC的东北部政治主任。
You know, we get on the phone and the conversation turns to money instantly.
你知道，我们一通电话，话题立刻就转向了金钱。
Then, according to Beals, someone on his end confronts the DCCC about this polling data that they'd given to two of the big money candidates, Brian and Delgado.
然后，根据比尔斯的说法，他这边的某人就 DCCC 提供给两位大资金候选人布莱恩和德尔加多的民意调查数据与 DCCC 进行质询。
They ask, could we get that too?
他们问，我们也能得到吗？
The DCCC says, we can share that with you.
DCCC 说，我们可以与您分享。
But it doesn't get resolved before the conversation turns back to money.
但在话题回到金钱之前，这个问题并没有得到解决。
And they just say, you don't have enough money to run for Congress.
他们只是说，你没有足够的钱竞选国会议员。
That's sort of flat out?
这有点平淡吗？
Jeff Beals Yeah.
杰夫·比尔斯 是的。
And I say, we're running a thriving campaign.
我说，我们正在开展一场蓬勃发展的活动。
There's tons of volunteers.
有很多志愿者。
People are rallying to the message.
人们正在团结起来响应这一信息。
You know, I see every reason to believe that we're putting this together and we're building something real.
你知道，我有充分的理由相信我们正在将其组合在一起并且正在构建一些真实的东西。
We're going to keep running.
我们要继续奔跑。
And then he says to me, don't think if you win the primary people will help you.
然后他对我说，不要认为如果你赢得初选人们会帮助你。
There will be lots of other choices out there.
那里会有很多其他选择。
And--
还有——
Meaning what, like people will put money into different races?
这意味着什么，就像人们会把钱投入不同的种族一样？
Or like--
或者像——
Yes.
是的。
Yeah, exactly, as in people will just skip New York 19 if Jeff Beals is the nominee.
是的，确实如此，如果杰夫·比尔斯 (Jeff Beals) 获得提名，人们就会跳过《纽约 19》。
A DCCC spokesperson wouldn't discuss the specifics of what happened on that call but told me the party would work with Beals if he became the nominee.
DCCC 发言人不愿讨论这次电话会议的具体细节，但告诉我，如果比尔斯成为提名人，该党将与他合作。
At the same time, the former DCCC political director, Ian Russell, he told me if a candidate gets through the primary that the party doesn't think is strong, they will sometimes write off districts they think are a lost cause.
与此同时，前 DCCC 政治主任伊恩·拉塞尔 (Ian Russell) 告诉我，如果一名候选人通过了党认为实力不强的初选，他们有时会取消他们认为已经失败的选区。
Since that phone call, Beals says, his campaign has not spoken with the DCCC.
比尔斯说，自从那通电话之后，他的竞选团队就没有与 DCCC 进行过交谈。
Democrats are so desperate to win this year.
民主党今年非常渴望获胜。
I heard it over and over.
我听了一遍又一遍。
And though Beals has this theory on why a campaign like his can beat a Republican in the fall, even some progressives are nervous to go along with him.
尽管比尔斯对于为什么像他这样的竞选活动能够在秋季击败共和党人有这样的理论，但即使是一些进步人士也不敢同意他的观点。
One progressive group got into a particularly bitter fight over all this.
一个进步团体为此陷入了一场特别激烈的斗争。
The group's Citizen Action.
该团体的公民行动。
It's a branch of a national group.
这是一个国家集团的一个分支。
There's lots of chapters.
有很多章啊
Very active chapter in New York.
纽约分会非常活跃。
Their volunteers run Faso Fridays.
他们的志愿者负责“法索星期五”活动。
Oriana Mayorga was in charge of Citizen Action's endorsement committee in New York 19.
Oriana Mayorga 负责纽约公民行动的认可委员会 19。
She moved to the district to work for Citizen Action as an organizer.
她搬到该地区，作为公民行动组织者工作。
She's a Beals supporter.
她是比尔斯队的支持者。
In January, Mayorga gathered in an endorsement committee of 12 who interviewed the candidates.
一月份，马约加召集了一个由 12 人组成的认可委员会，对候选人进行了面试。
They discussed, then they voted.
他们讨论，然后投票。
There were seven votes for Jeff Beals and five for Antonio Delgado.
杰夫·比尔斯 (Jeff Beals) 获得了七票，安东尼奥·德尔加多 (Antonio Delgado) 获得了五票。
People wanted Jeff Beals.
人们想要杰夫·比尔斯。
That was--
那是——
Not a huge shocker.
并不是一个巨大的震惊。
Citizen Action is progressive.
公民行动是渐进的。
They hold events and rallies for single payer health care.
他们为单一付款人医疗保健举办活动和集会。
We're like, Citizen Action is this grassroots organization that fights corporate power.
我们认为，公民行动是一个与企业权力作斗争的草根组织。
So in no way would I think that they would want to endorse somebody who is from Wall Street, has all these corporate donors backing them and isn't for Medicare for All.
因此，我认为他们绝不会愿意支持来自华尔街、拥有所有这些企业捐助者支持但不支持全民医疗保险的人。
Mayorga sent word to the state leadership of Citizen Action, here was our vote.
马约尔加向公民行动的州领导层发出了消息，这是我们的投票。
But what happened next surprised her.
但接下来发生的事情让她大吃一惊。
State leaders said the vote had been too close, closer than they wanted.
各州领导人表示，投票结果过于接近，超出了他们的预期。
Essentially, look at this some more and try again.
本质上，请多看一下，然后再试一次。
Mayorga says following that first vote, state leaders called members of the committee.
马约加说，在第一次投票后，州领导人召集了委员会成员。
They told people they thought Delgado was the stronger candidate.
他们告诉人们，他们认为德尔加多是更强有力的候选人。
The deputy director spoke very frankly.
副主任说得很坦白。
I mean, it was not-- it wasn't really behind the scenes.
我的意思是，这并不是——它并不是真正在幕后。
She spoke frankly about it with me and while there were volunteers in the office, saying that the organization really felt that Delgado was the most viable candidate.
她在办公室里有志愿者的情况下与我坦诚地谈论了这件事，说该组织确实认为德尔加多是最可行的候选人。
He had the money and he had the support, but that he would have to be for Medicare for All for us to get behind him.
他有钱，也有支持，但他必须支持全民医疗保险，我们才能支持他。
They brought Delgado in and they told them that.
他们把德尔加多带进来并告诉了他们这一点。
But he refused to back Medicare for All.
但他拒绝支持全民医疗保险。
What followed was a series of tough meetings, circular arguments, turning over the coin of idealism and pragmatism.
接下来是一系列艰难的会议、循环论证、理想主义与实用主义的对调。
The same tortured question from the Sanders versus Clinton race.
桑德斯与克林顿竞选中也出现了同样令人痛苦的问题。
This time around though it was, should we back Beals?
但这一次，我们应该支持比尔斯吗？
He's more progressive.
他比较进步。
He's like us.
他就像我们一样。
Others were like, Delgado has more money.
其他人则认为，德尔加多更有钱。
We worry Beals can't compete.
我们担心比尔斯无法参加比赛。
Mayorga says the whole thing was kind of awful.
马约尔加说整件事有点可怕。
At one point, someone ran out of the room with a nosebleed.
有一次，有人流着鼻血跑出了房间。
But eventually another vote was taken-- seven for Delgado, five for Beals.
但最终又进行了另一次投票——七票投给了德尔加多，五票投给了比尔斯。
People in charge were like, OK, if that's our endorsement can you Beals folks live with that?
负责人说，好吧，如果这是我们的认可，你们比尔斯人能接受吗？
And the Beals supporters were in an uproar, right?
比尔斯队的支持者们一片哗然，对吗？
They were like, we voted with the same split for Beals and were told it was too close.
他们说，我们以同样的分歧投票给了比尔斯，却被告知结果太接近了。
The numbers were now 7-5.
现在比分是7-5。
We were in the same place, just a different candidate.
我们在同一个地方，只是不同的候选人。
So technically speaking, both times one would assume that means that it's too close.
所以从技术上来说，两次人们都会认为这意味着它太接近了。
A few things happened after that meeting.
那次会议之后发生了一些事情。
There was another meeting.
还有一次会议。
A bunch of Beals supporters couldn't be there, and one last Beals supporter caved.
一群比尔斯队的支持者不能到场，最后一位比尔斯队的支持者屈服了。
Then Mayorga told her bosses she was upset about how this whole thing went.
然后马约加告诉她的老板，她对整个事情的进展感到不安。
The following week she was fired.
接下来的一周，她被解雇了。
After a careful and deliberative process of our local endorsement committee and our--
经过我们当地认可委员会和我们的——
In May, Citizen Action officially endorsed Antonio Delgado.
五月，公民行动正式支持安东尼奥·德尔加多。
Delgado tweeted out the endorsement calling it quote, "the progressive stamp of approval."
德尔加多在推特上发布了这一背书，称其为“进步的认可印记”。
It's like not even-- I mean, it's kind of funny.
就好像不——我的意思是，这有点有趣。
I mean, Antonio Delgado is Hillary Clinton.
我的意思是，安东尼奥·德尔加多是希拉里·克林顿。
I mean, like, that's just the truth.
我的意思是，这就是事实。
Like he is the Hillary Clinton of the race and Jeff Beals is the Bernie Sanders.
就像他是竞选中的希拉里·克林顿，而杰夫·比尔斯是伯尼·桑德斯。
When I talk to the DCCC and progressives, one of the things they all said was that they were worried about how Democrats were going to handle the whole influx of enthusiasm this year.
当我与 DCCC 和进步人士交谈时，他们都说他们担心民主党将如何应对今年涌入的热情。
Essentially, if Democrats didn't handle the situation right people could get alienated.
从本质上讲，如果民主党不能正确处理这种情况，人们可能会被疏远。
The opportunity could get squandered.
这个机会可能会被浪费。
I couldn't help but think of that when I was talking to Mayorga.
当我和马约加谈话时，我不禁想到了这一点。
To be fair, after this November I'm no longer a Democrat.
公平地说，今年十一月之后我就不再是民主党人了。
I'm 100% a Working Families Party person.
我是 100% 的工作家庭党成员。
So this will be my last Democratic primary I'll be voting in.
所以这将是我最后一次参加民主党初选投票。
Oh, wow, you feel-- you're just like, I'm done.
哦，哇，你感觉——你就像，我完成了。
Oh, I'm done.
哦，我完成了。
Yeah, I'm done.
是的，我已经完成了。
I really am.
我确实是。
I think that we have to make the decision.
我认为我们必须做出决定。
Do we want to support progressive candidates?
我们想支持进步的候选人吗？
Or do we want to go with the safe bets, you know, these Hillary Clintons, these Antonio Delgado candidates?
或者我们想选择安全的赌注，你知道，这些希拉里·克林顿，这些安东尼奥·德尔加多候选人？
Hi, how are you doing?
嗨，你好吗？
I'm Jeff Beals.
我是杰夫·比尔斯。
I saw beware of dog kisses, but--
我看到要小心狗的亲吻，但是——
He's a good dog.
他是一只好狗。
He gets very excited when--
当他感到非常兴奋时——
Recently I follow Beals as he canvassed in Oneonta, a beautiful town up in the mountains of New York.
最近，我跟随比尔斯在奥尼昂塔拉票，奥尼昂塔是纽约山区的一个美丽小镇。
I'm running for Congress.
我正在竞选国会议员。
Ben Calhoun He moved quickly from one port to another with a keen eye out for Bernie Sanders stickers on bumpers and in windows.
本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun) 他迅速从一个港口移动到另一个港口，敏锐地留意着保险杠和窗户上的伯尼·桑德斯 (Bernie Sanders) 贴纸。
That's a telltale sign.
这是一个明显的迹象。
Ben Calhoun Though Beals says his relationship with the national party went cold, progressive groups have jumped in to help him.
本·卡尔霍恩 尽管比尔斯表示他与国家党的关系变冷，但进步团体已经介入帮助他。
A group of former Sanders staffers, the Justice Democrats, and a group of former Sanders activists, the People for Bernie Sanders, they both endorse Beals.
一群前桑德斯工作人员、正义民主党和一群前桑德斯活动人士、伯尼·桑德斯人民，他们都支持比尔斯。
And those endorsements, they serve as this kind of shorthand for progressive voters.
这些支持是进步选民的代名词。
At one house this sweet guy named Dana came to the door.
在一所房子里，一个名叫达纳的可爱小伙子来到了门口。
He had a Sanders sticker outside.
他外面有一张桑德斯的贴纸。
OK, well me too.
好吧，我也是。
Me too.
我也是。
I've been-- I've been looking for you.
我一直在找你。
Beals gave his pitch.
比尔斯发表了自己的看法。
He's a teacher, thinks the economy is working against most people, Medicare for All-- then he mentioned the Justice Democrats, the endorsement by the former Sanders staffers.
他是一名教师，认为经济对大多数人不利，全民医疗保险——然后他提到了正义民主党，这是桑德斯前工作人员的支持。
If you're a Justice Democrat then you've already got my vote.
如果你是一名正义民主党人，那么你已经得到了我的选票。
You don't need to spend a lot of time here.
你不需要在这里花费很多时间。
You can move on.
你可以继续前进。
This happened a number of times that day.
当天这种情况发生了好几次。
As for the army of volunteers Beals knew he would need to win this kind of campaign, did he enlist them?
至于志愿者大军，比尔斯知道他需要赢得这种竞选，他招募了他们吗？
Beals wouldn't say how many he has.
比尔斯没有透露他有多少。
But he did say they've knocked on over 40,000 doors.
但他确实表示他们已经敲开了 40,000 多扇门。
That's the same number Pat Ryan, the veteran, says his campaign has done.
退伍军人帕特·瑞安 (Pat Ryan) 表示，他的竞选活动也取得了同样的成绩。
Antonio Delgado's campaign says they've knocked on 50,000.
安东尼奥·德尔加多 (Antonio Delgado) 的竞选团队表示，他们已经筹集到了 5 万人。
So at least by one measure he's keeping up, though Ryan and Delgado are both running TV ads and Beals is not.
因此，至少从一项衡量标准来看，他正在跟上，尽管瑞安和德尔加多都在投放电视广告，而比尔斯则没有。
So far nobody has released an objective poll on the race.
到目前为止，还没有人发布有关此次竞选的客观民意调查。
With seven candidates, the vote could split in some really weird ways.
有七名候选人，选票可能会以一些非常奇怪的方式分裂。
Everybody agrees someone could win without getting all that much of the vote.
每个人都同意有人可以在没有获得那么多选票的情况下获胜。
Are you registered Democrats?
您是注册民主党人吗？
Are any of you registered Democrats?
你们中有注册的民主党人吗？
Who's a registered Democrat?
谁是注册民主党人？
One of the things that probably will happen, even if Beals doesn't win, some candidates like him probably will.
可能会发生的事情之一是，即使比尔斯没有获胜，像他这样的一些候选人也可能会获胜。
Meaning if Democrats get a majority in the House, all these disagreements about who they are and what they should be are not going to go away.
这意味着，如果民主党在众议院获得多数席位，所有这些关于他们是谁以及他们应该做什么的分歧都不会消失。
Their majority will be riddled with people who feel like the party is doing things wrong and who have spent the past year like Beals has, finding each other.
他们中的大多数人都认为该党做错了事，并且像比尔斯一样在过去的一年里找到了彼此。
That's what Beals is left to do these days.
这就是比尔斯这些天要做的事情。
Now that school's out he starts canvassing around 8:00 AM.
现在学校放学了，他在上午 8:00 左右开始拉票。
He keeps going until 9:00 at night.
他一直坚持到晚上9:00。
And every day, he tells me, he finds more people who feel the way that he does.
他告诉我，每天他都会发现更多的人和他有同样的感受。
Ben Calhoun is one of the producers on our show.
本·卡尔霍恩是我们节目的制片人之一。
Our program was produced today by Zoe Chace.
我们今天的节目由佐伊·查斯制作。
The people who put together our show today includes Ben Calhoun, Dana Chivvis, Chana Joffe-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Seth Lind, Miki Meek, Alvin Melathe, Catherine Maymondo, Lilly Sullivan, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
今天的节目的制作人包括 Ben Calhoun、Dana Chivvis、Chana Joffe-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Seth Lind、Miki Meek、Alvin Melathe、Catherine Maymondo、Lilly Sullivan、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney、Julie Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。
Our senior producer is Brian Reed.
我们的高级制片人是布莱恩·里德。
Our managing editor is Susan Burton.
我们的总编辑是苏珊·伯顿。
Special thanks today to Jeremy McCarter, Lucy Flores, Dustin Reidy, Tim Mynett, and Jonathan Smucker.
今天特别感谢 Jeremy McCarter、Lucy Flores、Dustin Reidy、Tim Mynett 和 Jonathan Smucker。
Our website, Thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to our archive of over 600 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 Thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们的 600 多集档案。
We also have a slide show this week of Jeff Beals out talking to voters.
本周我们还播放了杰夫·比尔斯与选民交谈的幻灯片。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, I was driving him home this week and he pointed out this opening in the woods near his house I had never seen before, looked pretty creepy.
你知道，这周我开车送他回家，他指出他家附近树林里有一个我以前从未见过的空地，看起来非常令人毛骨悚然。
He explained--
他解释说——
That way lieth of the Goldman Sachs speech.
高盛的演讲就是这样的。
That way lieth the Goldman Sachs speech.
高盛的演讲就是这样的。
Don't.
不。
Don't.
不。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。