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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
So one of our producers, Zoe Chace, had this whole plan to follow this senator for a year as he ran for re-election.
因此，我们的制片人佐伊·查斯 (Zoe Chace) 制定了整个计划，在这位参议员竞选连任期间跟踪他一年。
And it was an interesting story because the senator is a Republican who does not like the president.
这是一个有趣的故事，因为参议员是一位不喜欢总统的共和党人。
And he talks about that all the time, and the president seems to despise him.
他一直在谈论这个，总统似乎很鄙视他。
So would he be able to convince Republicans to vote for him?
那么他能说服共和党人投票给他吗？
Republicans still overwhelmingly support the president.
共和党人仍然以压倒性多数支持总统。
Zoe wanted to see him make the pitch.
佐伊想看到他上场。
And then something happened that threw a wrench in her plans.
然后发生了一些事情，打乱了她的计划。
Zoe?
佐伊？
Yeah, he resigned.
是的，他辞职了。
He stopped running for office.
他停止竞选公职。
Yeah, so that kind of put the kibosh on that story.
是的，所以这个故事就被搁置了。
Yeah.
是的。
Explain who this is.
解释一下这是谁。
Zoe Chace Jeff Flake, senator from Arizona-- he resigned from the Senate on October 24.
佐伊·查斯·杰夫·弗莱克 (Zoe Chace Jeff Flake)，亚利桑那州参议员，于 10 月 24 日辞去参议员职务。
And that day, he gave this big resignation speech on the floor of the Senate kind of slamming the president.
那天，他在参议院发表了一篇重要的辞职演讲，有点像对总统的猛烈抨击。
In this political moment, it got a lot of attention.
在这个政治时刻，它引起了很多关注。
It is time for our complicity and our accommodation of the unacceptable to end.
现在是结束我们的共谋和对不可接受的行为的包容的时候了。
We must never regard as normal the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals-- the personal attacks, the flagrant disregard for truth and decency.
我们决不能将经常性、随意性地破坏我们的民主规范和理想视为正常现象——人身攻击、公然无视真理和正派。
And this attitude, you might say, is the reason he had to resign.
你可能会说，这种态度是他不得不辞职的原因。
He'd been very outspoken about the president.
他对总统一直非常直言不讳。
He wrote a whole book calling the president basically unfit for office and a menace to our democracy.
他写了一整本书，称总统基本上不适合担任公职，并且对我们的民主构成威胁。
And that's why he couldn't win an election in Arizona.
这就是他无法赢得亚利桑那州选举的原因。
There were polls that showed he only had a 22% approval rating among Trump voters in Arizona.
民意调查显示，他在亚利桑那州特朗普选民中的支持率仅为22%。
So how could he win a Republican primary?
那么他如何才能赢得共和党初选呢？
So the story is dead.
所以这个故事就死了。
But then in December, something happens that changes everything.
但到了十二月，发生了一些事情，改变了一切。
Yeah, this thing happens where a Democrat gets elected to Senate in Alabama, which is weird.
是的，这种事情发生在一位民主党人当选阿拉巴马州参议员的时候，这很奇怪。
Doug Jones becomes the senator of Alabama against accused child molester Roy Moore.
道格·琼斯成为阿拉巴马州参议员，对抗被指控猥亵儿童的罗伊·摩尔。
And that changes things because John McCain is out for medical leave.
这改变了事情，因为约翰·麦凯恩正在休病假。
The Republican majority in the Senate is now down to one vote-- 49 Democrats, 50 Republicans.
共和党在参议院的多数席位现在只剩一票——49 名民主党人，50 名共和党人。
Any one Republican senator can theoretically stop a bill by voting with the other side.
理论上，任何一位共和党参议员都可以通过与另一方投票来阻止一项法案。
And suddenly, this one renegade Senator, Jeff Flake, not beholden to the president, has a lot of power.
突然间，这位叛逆的参议员杰夫·弗莱克（Jeff Flake）不再受制于总统，却拥有了很大的权力。
Long time no talk.
好久没有说话了。
Zoe Chace So how does it feel to be the most powerful senator in Congress right now?
佐伊·查斯（Zoe Chace）那么现在成为国会最有权势的参议员感觉如何？
Where'd you get that?
你从哪里得到的？
Zoe Chace A lot of people.
佐伊·切斯 很多人。
[CHUCKLES] You're running in strange circles, then.
[咯咯笑] 那么你就陷入了奇怪的循环。
It does give you more leverage though, right?
但它确实给了你更多的影响力，对吧？
I mean, are you feeling that?
我的意思是，你有这种感觉吗？
Well, I don't feel it yet because it hasn't happened yet.
嗯，我还没有感觉到，因为它还没有发生。
But when the new senator is seated, then perhaps.
但当新参议员就任时，也许会发生。
This is as much as you'll get Jeff Flake to admit he's excited about something.
这足以让杰夫·弗莱克承认他对某件事感到兴奋。
He is an understated guy.
他是一个低调的人。
I can tell he is pleased.
我看得出来他很高兴。
Flake's essential for Republicans to get to 50 votes.
弗莱克对于共和党获得 50 票至关重要。
For all the things, they need 60 votes for in the Senate.
对于所有事情，他们需要在参议院获得 60 票支持。
He has new leverage there as well.
他在那里也有了新的影响力。
And so Zoe asks Jeff Flake, could she watch him try to execute this new-found leverage?
因此佐伊问杰夫·弗莱克，她可以看着他尝试执行这个新发现的杠杆吗？
And he said sure, and she's been following him since then.
他说当然可以，从那时起她就一直跟着他。
Because Flake is in this interesting position.
因为弗莱克处于这个有趣的位置。
Any Republican who is up for re-election this year, there are all kinds of things they cannot say or do because Donald Trump and his voters will punish them.
任何准备今年连任的共和党人，都有各种各样的事情不能说或做，因为唐纳德·特朗普和他的选民会惩罚他们。
They can't cross the president.
他们不能得罪总统。
They can't cozy up to Democrats.
他们无法讨好民主党人。
But because Flake isn't running, it's like he's bulletproof.
但因为弗莱克没有跑步，所以他就像是刀枪不入的。
It's like he has this superpower.
就好像他拥有这种超能力一样。
He can do anything he wants, say anything he wants, take risks to get things done.
他可以做任何他想做的事情，说任何他想说的事情，冒险完成事情。
And he decides to do something with that new-found power and leverage.
他决定利用新发现的力量和影响力做一些事情。
And what he decides to do is pass what could be his very last bill.
他决定做的是通过可能是他的最后一项法案。
And the thing he goes for in this bill is DACA-- legal status for kids who were brought to the United States by their parents, and then grew up here in the United States.
他在这项法案中主张的是 DACA——由父母带到美国并在美国长大的孩子的合法身份。
It's 800,000 people who have signed up officially as DACA kids.
已有 80 万人正式注册成为 DACA 儿童。
Super popular issue-- 80% of the country supports giving the Dreamers legal status.
超级热门话题——全国80%的人支持给予梦想家合法地位。
The president said he wanted it.
总统说他想要它。
The majority of the Senate wants it.
参议院的大多数人都希望如此。
If anything should be able to pass, it should be DACA.
如果说有什么能够通过的话，那就应该是 DACA。
So Zoe followed him trying to pass DACA for four months.
于是佐伊跟着他四个月，试图通过 DACA。
She talked to him when he would come off the Senate floor, when he was heading to the White House.
当他离开参议院、前往白宫时，她与他交谈。
She hung out with him in his office when he was stressed out late at night.
当他深夜感到压力很大时，她和他一起去他的办公室闲逛。
And of course, you probably know Flake, he does not succeed, right?
当然，你可能认识弗莱克，他没有成功，对吧？
DACA does not pass.
DACA 没有通过。
The president tweeted, in fact just last weekend in all caps, no more DACA deal.
总统在推特上表示，事实上就在上周末，所有大写字母都没有再达成 DACA 协议。
DACA is dead.
DACA 已经死了。
And so today on our show, what you're going to hear is you're going to hear Jeff Flake fail.
所以今天在我们的节目中，你将听到的是杰夫·弗莱克的失败。
And just to say it, of course, it is not a big surprise to anybody that Congress is dysfunctional.
当然，顺便说一句，国会功能失调对任何人来说都不足为奇。
And it's hard to get anything done in Congress.
在国会里很难完成任何事情。
But watching somebody actually trying to do something, to pass a bill, you see how the nature of Congress' dysfunction has changed in ways that are very specific to Donald Trump.
但当你看到有人实际上试图做某事、通过一项法案时，你就会发现国会功能失调的本质是如何以唐纳德·特朗普特有的方式发生变化的。
And OK, yes, we take for granted right now how messed up Congress is.
好吧，是的，我们现在认为国会有多混乱是理所当然的。
We don't even think twice about that.
我们对此毫不犹豫。
But for this hour, I would just ask you to open your mind and heart to the idea that there is another way this could have gone with DACA.
但在这一个小时里，我只想请你们敞开心扉，接受这样一个想法：DACA 可以通过另一种方式解决这个问题。
And arguably, it should have gone if our democracy was working like we read about in high school, that when a vast majority in a democracy want something, it happens.
可以说，如果我们的民主制度像我们在高中读到的那样运作，那么它就应该消失，即当民主国家的绝大多数人想要某样东西时，它就会发生。
For Jeff Flake, after those four months were done-- after playing the game the way everybody else does, which you'll hear him do at the beginning of the story-- politicking and horsetrading votes.
对于杰夫·弗莱克（Jeff Flake）来说，在这四个月结束之后——在像其他人一样玩游戏之后，你会在故事开始时听到他做的事——政治和讨价还价。
After all that, even he comes to see differently how Congress should operate.
毕竟，就连他也开始以不同的方式看待国会应该如何运作。
So that's our show today.
这就是我们今天的节目。
It'll be in four acts which correspond roughly to the four at bats Senator Flake gets to push DACA forward.
它将分为四幕，大致相当于参议员弗莱克推动 DACA 前进的四次击球。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
So if you remember, back in September, President Trump ended President Obama's DACA program, leaving Dreamers in limbo with the threat of eventual deportation.
因此，如果您还记得的话，早在 9 月份，特朗普总统就结束了奥巴马总统的 DACA 计划，使梦想家陷入了最终被驱逐出境的威胁。
And he gave Congress six months to pass a bill, six months to fix things for the Dreamers.
他给了国会六个月的时间来通过一项法案，六个月的时间来解决梦想家的问题。
The deadline was March 5.
截止日期是3月5日。
The clock started ticking.
时钟开始滴答作响。
That's how long Jeff Flake has to get this done.
这就是杰夫·弗莱克完成这项工作所需的时间。
And let's just jump right in with Act One-- Act One, The Bluff.
让我们直接进入第一幕——第一幕，虚张声势。
And we're going to start at the first place that Jeff Flake can try to exercise his leverage and his new-found bulletproof superpower.
我们将从杰夫·弗莱克（Jeff Flake）可以尝试发挥他的影响力和他新发现的防弹超能力的第一个地方开始。
And that is December.
那是十二月。
It's late December, when Congress is all about trying to pass their tax cuts.
十二月底，国会正忙于通过减税法案。
You might remember this.
你可能还记得这一点。
They wanted to give the president a big victory before the end of the year.
他们希望在年底之前让总统取得重大胜利。
They wanted to prove that a Republican House and Senate and White House could work together to actually get things done.
他们想证明共和党众议院、参议院和白宫可以共同努力，真正把事情做好。
The date is December 19.
日期是12月19日。
Zoe Chace takes it from here.
佐伊·切斯 (Zoe Chace) 从这里接手。
We zoom in on Flake's Senate office in the Russell Building.
我们放大弗莱克位于罗素大厦的参议院办公室。
Because the Republicans are so desperate for a win and because Majority Leader Mitch McConnell needs every vote he can get, no Democrats will vote for the tax cuts.
因为共和党如此渴望获胜，而且多数党领袖米奇·麦康奈尔需要他能得到的每一票，所以没有民主党人会投票支持减税。
This is Flake's moment that he was counting on.
这是弗莱克所指望的时刻。
It's an opportunity to use the leverage he has to move DACA ahead.
这是一个利用他所拥有的影响力推动 DACA 向前发展的机会。
He and Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, cook up a plan.
他和民主党领袖查克·舒默制定了一个计划。
He proposes a trade to Mitch McConnell-- my vote for the tax bill in exchange for a promise to get a DACA bill on the floor by the end of January.
他向米奇·麦康奈尔 (Mitch McConnell) 提出一项交易——我对税收法案投赞成票，以换取在一月底之前将 DACA 法案付诸表决的承诺。
And now they are just about to vote.
现在他们正要投票。
You're the last holdout on this tax bill.
你是最后一个抵制这项税单的人。
Am I?
我是吗？
Zoe Chace Are you undecided on how you're going to vote on that?
Zoe Chace：您还没有决定如何投票吗？
I mean, if you're negotiating for something outside of the bill, you never indicate where you'll be for certain.
我的意思是，如果你正在谈判账单之外的事情，你永远不会明确表明你会在哪里。
Never say what you're going to do.
永远不要说你要做什么。
[CHUCKLES].
[笑声]。
This is a bluff.
这是虚张声势。
Flake loves the tax bill.
弗莱克喜欢税单。
He loves tax cuts.
他喜欢减税。
He knows he's going to vote for the bill even if he doesn't get what he wants.
他知道即使他没有得到他想要的东西，他也会投票支持该法案。
Eventually, he tells me that.
最终，他告诉我了。
But he doesn't tell anybody else.
但他没有告诉其他人。
We hop onto the Senate subway.
我们跳上参议院地铁。
And another reporter tries to get it out of him.
另一位记者试图从他嘴里套出这件事。
The funny thing is the tax bill can pass without him.
有趣的是，税收法案没有他也能通过。
They think they have the 50 votes they need already.
他们认为他们已经获得了所需的 50 票。
If you're some kind of Congress nerd and you're counting, Doug Jones hasn't been seated yet.
如果你是某种国会书呆子并且正在数数，道格·琼斯还没有就座。
John McCain is out on medical.
约翰·麦凯恩因病缺席。
But who knows?
但谁知道呢？
They just got the 50.
他们刚刚拿到了50。
Bob Corker, Republican from Tennessee, he recently came around for no apparent reason.
鲍勃·科克 (Bob Corker) 是来自田纳西州的共和党人，他最近无缘无故地改变了立场。
With things in flux like this, maybe someone could flip.
在事情如此不断变化的情况下，也许有人会翻转。
And then Flake would have a lot more leverage.
然后弗莱克就会拥有更多的影响力。
And Flake's been working on a DACA bill with other Republicans and Democrats, a bipartisan bill.
弗莱克一直在与其他共和党人和民主党人一起制定 DACA 法案，这是一项两党合作的法案。
And he wants that bill to get a vote.
他希望该法案获得投票。
Bring it to the floor.
把它带到地板上。
Agree to bring it to the floor.
同意将其带到地板上。
Use me as an excuse.
拿我当借口吧。
Say we've got to get Flake.
假设我们必须得到弗莱克。
So we had to agree to DACA.
所以我们不得不同意 DACA。
That's done a lot.
这已经做了很多了。
I mean, you've--
我的意思是，你已经——
How do I describe Jeff Flake?
我该如何描述杰夫·弗莱克？
Suit and tie, clasped hands, earnestly looking at me on his office couch.
西装革履，双手紧握，在他办公室的沙发上认真地看着我。
I mean, he's a senator.
我的意思是，他是一名参议员。
He's deeply earnest to the point where he's kind of dorky.
他非常认真，甚至有点傻。
He's a Mormon.
他是摩门教徒。
He's super disciplined.
他非常遵守纪律。
He often goes to the gym twice a day.
他经常一天去两次健身房。
He has this way of being more hopeful than it seems like he should.
他的这种方式比他看起来应该更有希望。
When it comes to Mitch McConnell, the leader of the Senate, Flake often seems like Charlie Brown running to kick the football to McConnell's Lucy.
当谈到参议院领袖米奇·麦康奈尔时，弗莱克常常看起来就像查理·布朗跑去把足球踢给麦康奈尔的露西。
But right now, he feels like the power dynamic has changed.
但现在，他感觉权力动态已经发生了变化。
Jeff Flake is suited up.
杰夫·弗莱克 (Jeff Flake) 已穿戴整齐。
He feels like he has some moves.
他感觉自己好像有一些动作。
About immigration, when Flake talks about it, he often talks about economics.
关于移民，弗莱克谈到移民时，常常会谈到经济。
We're an aging country.
我们是一个老龄化国家。
We need workers.
我们需要工人。
He has a libertarian mindset about it.
他对此有自由主义心态。
The economics are personal to him, though.
不过，经济学对他来说是个人的。
He grew up on a cattle ranch in northern Arizona.
他在亚利桑那州北部的一个养牛场长大。
His dad hired undocumented immigrants.
他的父亲雇用了无证移民。
And he got to know them.
他认识了他们。
And he liked them.
他喜欢它们。
He writes about one of them in his book, this guy he grew up with, Manuel.
他在书中写到了其中一个人，这个和他一起长大的人，曼努埃尔。
It's in that kind of tokenizing style that politicians can use when they write about real life people caught up in national policy.
政客们在描写现实生活中受国家政策困扰的人们时可以使用这种象征性的风格。
But I've spent enough time with him to know that his feelings on immigration-- they are sincere, they are deeply held, and they are different from a lot of his colleagues.
但我和他相处了足够的时间，知道他对移民的感情是真诚的，是坚定的，而且与他的许多同事不同。
So Manuel.
所以曼努埃尔.
Manuel came when I was just very young.
曼努埃尔来的时候我还很小。
And he was young himself.
而且他自己也很年轻。
He was 16.
他16岁。
And we thought he was old and wise.
我们认为他既老又聪明。
And he worked in the shop mostly on the farm and would fix just anything that broke.
他主要在农场工作，负责修理任何损坏的东西。
And baling wire, duct tape-- some of it wasn't pretty.
还有打包线、管道胶带——其中一些并不漂亮。
He was never much of a welder.
他从来都不是一个焊工。
But he--
但他——
Flake worked all summer on the ranch, too.
弗莱克整个夏天也在牧场工作。
He says he was always breaking the equipment.
他说他总是破坏设备。
So he ended up hanging out a lot with Manuel, talking about his girlfriend.
所以他最终和曼纽尔经常出去玩，谈论他的女朋友。
One conversation that we still laugh about-- he's asking if I was dating anybody else.
有一次我们至今仍会开怀大笑的谈话——他问我是否在和其他人约会。
I said, no, no, just Cheryl.
我说，不，不，只有谢丽尔。
And he said-- his English by this time was pretty good.
他说——此时他的英语已经相当好了。
But some of the phrases were a little off.
但有些措辞有点不对劲。
He said, Jeff, you know the saying.
他说，杰夫，你知道这句话。
He said, when the cat is gone, the mouse, he can run around.
他说，等猫走了，老鼠走了，他就可以到处跑了。
[LAUGHS] And--
[笑]还有——
Flake was on Manuel's side.
弗莱克站在曼努埃尔一边。
When the border patrol would come and do these roundups, Flake would pull his hat down low over his head and ride his horse in the opposite direction of where the workers were, trying to lure the Cessnas away.
当边境巡逻队来进行围捕时，弗莱克会把帽子拉低，低过头顶，骑着马朝工人所在的相反方向走，试图把塞斯纳飞机引开。
He just saw Manuel at his dad's funeral last year.
去年他刚刚在父亲的葬礼上见过曼努埃尔。
Manuel's got a green card now, seven kids.
曼努埃尔现在有了绿卡，还有七个孩子。
One's adopted.
一个是领养的。
A merit-based system, he says, like the president has called for-- it wouldn't account for all these guys I've known who made their lives here, made the country better.
他说，就像总统所呼吁的那样，基于绩效的制度不会考虑到所有我认识的人，他们在这里谋生，让国家变得更好。
That's how he sees it.
他就是这么看的。
Flake's worked on immigration bills practically every year-- 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006.
弗莱克几乎每年都参与移民法案的研究——2003 年、2004 年、2005 年、2006 年。
He was part of the Gang of Eight that tried to do comprehensive immigration reform in 2013.
他是 2013 年试图进行全面移民改革的“八人帮”的成员之一。
DACA is the bare minimum of what he would do if he could.
如果可以的话，DACA 是他所能做的最低限度的事情。
He'd love to make it much easier for more people to work and live here.
他希望让更多的人能够更轻松地在这里工作和生活。
But there's no place in his party for that idea anymore.
但他的党内已经不再有这个想法了。
DACA, though, DACA is different.
然而，DACA 是不同的。
Most people like DACA.
大多数人都喜欢 DACA。
As we rush Aaron Sorkin-style through the Dirksen Building, he explains how he gets even more leverage if another Republican peels off.
当我们像亚伦·索尔金那样匆匆穿过德克森大厦时，他解释了如果另一位共和党人退出，他将如何获得更大的影响力。
That's what he's waiting for.
这就是他在等待的。
And the most likely person that could be right now hours before the tax vote is Senator Susan Collins.
最有可能在税收投票前几个小时出现的人是参议员苏珊·柯林斯(Susan Collins)。
And she called me this morning.
今天早上她给我打电话。
And she has some issues.
她有一些问题。
Collins has her own deal also unrelated to the tax bill, that she's trying to use her tax bill vote to get leverage on.
柯林斯有自己的交易，也与税收法案无关，她正试图利用她的税收法案投票来获得影响力。
She wants some stuff to patch up Obamacare.
她想要一些东西来修补奥巴马医改。
And she's been threatening to vote against the tax bill if that isn't addressed.
如果这个问题得不到解决，她就威胁要投票反对这项税收法案。
Yesterday, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell went on the Senate floor and promised to address her issues.
昨天，多数党领袖米奇·麦康奈尔来到参议院并承诺解决她的问题。
But Flake says Collins' situation is still a little shaky.
但弗雷克表示，柯林斯的处境仍然有些不稳定。
She had a long meeting with the vice president today.
她今天与副总统进行了一次长时间的会面。
So she's close.
所以她很接近。
But it's still working on a few things.
但它仍在做一些事情。
That's good for you, huh?
这对你有好处，是吧？
Jeff Flake But--
杰夫·弗莱克但是——
But she's not going to necessarily pull what you're pulling.
但她不一定会拉你拉的东西。
She's pulling for something else.
她正在做别的事。
Right.
正确的。
She pulling for something else.
她拉着别的东西。
But we both-- it works out.
但我们俩都成功了。
He ducks into a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.
他躲进了参议院司法委员会的听证会。
Meanwhile, calls are flooding into his office.
与此同时，他的办公室接到大量电话。
You're a Republican.
你是共和党人。
Support the president's tax bill.
支持总统的税收法案。
Have a spine.
有脊椎。
Vote against the president's tax bill.
投票反对总统的税收法案。
When I catch up with Flake that night, he still hasn't heard from McConnell.
那天晚上我找到弗莱克时，他仍然没有收到麦康奈尔的消息。
To be clear, what Flake is trying to get is modest.
需要明确的是，弗莱克想要得到的只是适度的。
He's not trying to get an actual DACA deal done or a formal announcement.
他并不是想达成真正的 DACA 协议或正式宣布。
He just wants a sort of pinky swear from the Majority Leader.
他只是想要多数党领袖的小指宣誓。
The Majority Leader will not make any public promises about DACA right now.
多数党领袖目前不会就 DACA 做出任何公开承诺。
Flake believes that's because he's scared.
弗莱克认为那是因为他害怕。
It'll make Republicans in the House flip out and endanger the tax cut bill.
这将使众议院的共和党人大发雷霆，并危及减税法案。
OK, fair enough.
好吧，很公平。
He can work with that.
他可以处理这个问题。
But notice just how hard it is to get this simple thing done.
但请注意，完成这个简单的事情是多么困难。
Flake heads off to talk to McConnell to try to get his firm commitment.
弗莱克前往与麦康奈尔交谈，试图得到他的坚定承诺。
And he leaves me behind in his office where I suffer two off-the-record hours with his Chief of Staff Chandler Morse, one office over from Flake's.
他把我留在他的办公室里，我和他的幕僚长钱德勒·莫尔斯（Chandler Morse）一起度过了两个不公开的小时，距离弗莱克的办公室只有一间。
We talk a lot.
我们聊了很多。
Chandler is a character I wish I could tell you more about.
钱德勒是一个我希望能告诉你更多的角色。
I'm allowed to reveal the following things from those hours.
我被允许透露以下几个小时内的事情。
Between calls and emails, he ate a seven-day-old, seven-layer bean and salsa dip.
在打电话和发电子邮件的间隙，他吃了一份放了 7 天的七层豆子和莎莎酱。
Then he ate a Popsicle.
然后他吃了一根冰棒。
He texts and emails like his life depends on it.
他发短信和发电子邮件，就像他的生命依赖于此一样。
At 10 o'clock that night, Flake shows back up with news.
那天晚上 10 点，弗莱克带着新闻回来了。
Now what?
现在怎么办？
We hustle into his office.
我们匆匆走进他的办公室。
And he runs me through the story of the two hours that just happened.
他向我讲述了刚刚发生的两个小时的故事。
So right-- so you left here, you went to go talk to the Majority Leader.
所以，你离开这里，去和多数党领袖交谈。
Well, he was over in the Mansfield Room.
好吧，他已经在曼斯菲尔德厅了。
We're all eating dinner, and I sat down.
我们都在吃晚饭，我坐下来。
And he said, you OK on this?
他说，你同意吗？
I said, no, no. I said, I need to know if we have a commitment to bring this bill up in January because that was what we were talking about before.
我说，不，不。我说，我需要知道我们是否承诺在一月份提出这项法案，因为这是我们之前讨论过的。
To bring up the DACA bill.
提出 DACA 法案。
Jeff Flake And he said, I can't.
杰夫·弗雷克（Jeff Flake）他说，我不能。
I can't commit.
我无法承诺。
I don't want to commit to something that I can't deliver on.
我不想承诺一些我无法兑现的事情。
And the spending bill is now kicked into January.
支出法案现在已被推迟到一月份。
And I just can't.
而我就是做不到。
Oh, no. Jeff Flake And so I said, well, you couldn't do it in December.
哦，不。 Jeff Flake：所以我说，好吧，你不能在 12 月做到这一点。
And I understood that.
我明白了。
But January, even if there's a spending bill, we have to do on the 17th, that still leaves quite a bit, a month.
但是一月份，即使有支出账单，我们也必须在 17 日进行，还剩下相当多的时间，一个月。
No, I can't do it.
不，我做不到。
Can't commit.
不能承诺。
And so I just walked away.
于是我就走开了。
Then later he came back over a bit and just said, I hope you understand.
后来他回来了，只是说，我希望你理解。
I just can't commit.
我就是无法承诺。
I never commit to bring bills up.
我从不承诺提出账单。
McConnell doesn't like immigration.
麦康奈尔不喜欢移民。
Flake thinks he thinks it's generally a losing issue for their party.
弗莱克认为，他认为这对他们的政党来说通常是一个失败的问题。
Plus McConnell has the votes without Flake.
另外，麦康奈尔在没有弗莱克的情况下拥有选票。
And anyway, I'm guessing he sees through the bluff and knows Flake is going to vote for the tax bill no matter what.
不管怎样，我猜他看穿了虚张声势，知道弗莱克无论如何都会投票支持税收法案。
Jeff Flake isn't a sulker, exactly.
确切地说，杰夫·弗莱克并不是一个生闷气的人。
But it's hard to imagine what else he could have been doing over dinner while Chandler was upstairs, chewing on a popsicle stick and texting him.
但很难想象当钱德勒在楼上嚼着冰棍棒并给他发短信时，他在晚餐时还能做什么。
He was out of moves.
他已经无能为力了。
But then, after McConnell left, the vice president called him, Mike Pence.
但麦康奈尔离开后，副总统称他为迈克·彭斯。
And Flake gets back a sliver of leverage.
弗莱克重新获得了一点影响力。
For Pence, they don't want any Republican voting against this bill.
对于彭斯来说，他们不希望任何共和党人投票反对这项法案。
I mean, obviously.
我的意思是，显然。
Zoe Chace The White House wants every Republican on board for the tax vote.
佐伊·查斯 (Zoe Chace) 白宫希望每位共和党人都参与税收投票。
It'll look good that way, a united front.
这样看起来会很好，统一战线。
Pence and Flake go way back.
彭斯和弗莱克很久以前就说过了。
They were famously tight when they were both in the house.
当他们都在家里时，他们的关系是出了名的紧张。
They've been strained lately.
他们最近很紧张。
This has caused Flake a little anguish.
这让弗莱克有些苦恼。
They don't agree on the president.
他们在总统的问题上意见不一。
There's always a pretty intense wistfulness mixed with defensiveness when Flake talks about Pence.
当弗莱克谈到彭斯时，总是带着一种非常强烈的渴望和防御。
And he talks about him a lot actually because that's his only big connection to the White House.
事实上，他经常谈论他，因为这是他与白宫唯一的重要联系。
Their long friendship was forged when they both stood up to President Bush over No Child Left Behind and then again over his prescription drug plan.
他们的长期友谊是在他们因“不让一个孩子掉队”问题与布什总统对抗以及再次反对布什总统的处方药计划时结下的。
They both love tax cuts.
他们都喜欢减税。
They both hate spending.
他们都讨厌花钱。
Anyway, he's a bit tortured that he and Pence are on different sides now.
不管怎样，他和彭斯现在站在不同的一边，这让他有点痛苦。
And Pence, he and I are close.
还有彭斯，他和我很亲密。
We talk about tax cuts.
我们谈论减税。
And we've been working on this stuff for a long time.
我们已经在这方面努力了很长时间。
This has been-- best friends in the House.
这是众议院里最好的朋友。
I think it's been a personal kind of thing for him.
我认为这对他来说是个人的事情。
And I understand that.
我明白这一点。
We always stuck together back then.
那时我们总是粘在一起。
We like to stick together when we can.
我们喜欢尽可能地团结在一起。
And I think he saw it as his personal mission kind of, too.
我认为他也将其视为他的个人使命。
So he gave me all kinds of good reasons.
所以他给了我各种充分的理由。
Frankly, to vote for the bill, I didn't need to hear them.
坦率地说，为了投票支持该法案，我不需要听到他们的声音。
But Mike, you know, he's a good friend.
但是迈克，你知道，他是一个好朋友。
But I've made no commitment after that call.
但在那通电话之后我没有做出任何承诺。
Remember, he is actually voting for the bill but not letting on to his buddy Mike.
请记住，他实际上是在投票支持该法案，但没有透露给他的好友迈克。
This bill that, under different circumstances, they would be celebrating together.
这个法案，在不同的情况下，他们都会一起庆祝。
Also there's a good chance Pence knows Flake's bluffing.
而且彭斯很有可能知道弗莱克的虚张声势。
So they're kind of playacting with each other.
所以他们就像是在互相玩耍。
I mean, did it feel bad?
我的意思是，感觉很糟糕吗？
Jeff Flake Yeah, well, and I mean, yeah.
杰夫·弗莱克 是的，嗯，我的意思是，是的。
Mike said, well, we're going to get this done.
迈克说，好吧，我们会完成这件事。
The president's committed.
总统已经承诺了。
I'm committed.
我已经承诺了。
Paul's committed in the House.
保罗在众议院尽职尽责。
Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House-- Pence is saying they'll do it, DACA.
众议院议长保罗·瑞安 (Paul Ryan) 彭斯表示他们会这么做，DACA。
Everybody wants to do DACA.
每个人都想参加 DACA。
But they're not going to publicly commit to doing it right now.
但他们现在不会公开承诺这样做。
The Senate, they know they've got to get it done.
参议院，他们知道他们必须完成这件事。
It will get done.
它会完成的。
Your name is going to be all over it, whatever else.
无论其他什么，你的名字都会出现在上面。
I said, if they'll get it done, I'll step back, take my name off of all of it, and just vote for it.
我说，如果他们能完成这件事，我会退后一步，把我的名字从这一切中删除，然后投票支持它。
Just get it done.
只要完成它就可以了。
I just want to get this done.
我只是想完成这件事。
And he said, no, I know.
他说，不，我知道。
I know.
我知道。
Just know that we're going to get it done with no commitment.
只要知道我们将在没有任何承诺的情况下完成它。
As Flake's recounting all this to me late night in his office, we're interrupted by a phone call.
当弗莱克深夜在他的办公室向我讲述这一切时，我们被一个电话打断了。
Weren't there just points today where you were like, I should just say, yes.
今天不是有一些时候你会说，我应该说，是的。
Hello.
你好。
Zoe Chace It's Lindsey Graham.
佐伊·切斯 我是林赛·格雷厄姆。
Lindsey Graham is Flake's Republican partner in crime on the DACA bill.
林赛·格雷厄姆 (Lindsey Graham) 是弗莱克在 DACA 法案中的共和党犯罪搭档。
He's kind of the Ernie to Flake's Bert, wisecracking where Flake is earnest and shy.
他有点像弗莱克的伯特的厄尼，他爱说俏皮话，而弗莱克则认真而害羞。
It turns out there was a final dramatic scene that happened just before Flake came back to talk to me, that he was about to tell me before Lindsey Graham called.
事实证明，就在弗莱克回来和我说话之前发生了最后一个戏剧性的场景，他正要在林赛·格雷厄姆打电话之前告诉我。
But now I get to hear him tell it to Graham on the phone.
但现在我听到他在电话里告诉格雷厄姆。
Hey, you know what happened?
嘿，你知道发生了什么吗？
Zoe Chace So after dinner, in the Mansfield room, in the long call with Mike Pence--
佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace）晚餐后，在曼斯菲尔德的房间里，与迈克·彭斯（Mike Pence）进行了长时间的通话——
Mitch called me.
米奇给我打电话。
Lindsey Graham What did he say?
林赛·格雷厄姆 他说什么？
He gave a commitment.
他做出了承诺。
Firm.
公司。
Lindsey Graham Did he?
林赛·格雷厄姆 是吗？
Yeah.
是的。
You got that right.
你说得对。
Zoe Chace In a surprising twist, not long after Flake hung up with Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell called his phone and abruptly reversed himself.
佐伊·切斯 (Zoe Chace) 令人惊讶的是，就在弗莱克挂断迈克·彭斯 (Mike Pence) 电话后不久，米奇·麦康奈尔 (Mitch McConnell) 拨通了他的电话，然后突然改变了态度。
"I don't usually do this," McConnell said to Flake, "But--" And he went on to give Flake what he wanted.
“我通常不会这样做，”麦康奈尔对弗莱克说，“但是——”然后他继续给弗莱克他想要的东西。
He committed to bring DACA to the Senate floor in January for a vote.
他承诺将在一月份将 DACA 提交参议院进行投票。
The bluff worked.
虚张声势奏效了。
Even if McConnell saw through it to begin with, he decided he had to be sure of him.
即使麦康奈尔一开始就看穿了这一点，他也决定必须对他有信心。
Flake got his DACA vote promise.
弗莱克兑现了 DACA 投票承诺。
And it happens, Flake learned, because of what happened with Susan Collins.
弗莱克了解到，这种情况之所以发生，是因为苏珊·柯林斯发生的事情。
She called me while I was on the phone with Mitch.
当我和米奇打电话时她给我打电话。
Flake was on the phone with Mitch McConnell when Susan Collins beeped in.
弗莱克正在和米奇·麦康奈尔通电话，苏珊·柯林斯打了进来。
He put Mitch on hold, clicked over, said hi to Susan, told her to hang on a second.
他让米奇等一下，点击过去，向苏珊打招呼，让她稍等一下。
I just put her on hold while I finished the call with Mitch.
当我结束与米奇的通话时，我让她保持等待。
He clicked back over to McConnell.
他点击回到麦康奈尔。
He wanted to make sure he got his commitment.
他想确保他得到了他的承诺。
He got it.
他明白了。
Then he hung up with McConnell and got back on with Collins.
然后他挂断了麦康奈尔的电话，又重新接通了柯林斯的电话。
And then learned that the deal with her had gone south.
然后得知与她的交易失败了。
She was calling Flake to let him know her deal with McConnell had changed and see where he was at.
她打电话给弗莱克，让他知道她与麦康奈尔的协议已经改变，并了解他的情况。
And where he was at was psyched because he, just moments ago, gotten what he wanted.
他现在很兴奋，因为就在不久前，他得到了他想要的东西。
"This is good news," I can hear Graham crowing on the other end of the phone.
“这是个好消息，”我听到格雷厄姆在电话那头欢呼。
But anyway, we got the commitment.
但无论如何，我们得到了承诺。
By the end of January, they're going to bring up our bill.
到一月底，他们将提出我们的账单。
We've just got to finish.
我们必须完成。
We've just got to finish it.
我们必须完成它。
Bye.
再见。
Zoe Chace And then almost immediately, his phone rings again.
佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace）几乎立刻，他的电话又响了。
[PHONE RINGING] It's Vice President Mike Pence.
[电话铃声] 是副总统迈克·彭斯打来的。
Flake tells me to stop recording.
弗莱克叫我停止录音。
OK.
好的。
I later piece together how this all went down and learn just how convoluted the backstage maneuvering was that night that finally got Jeff Flake what he wanted.
后来我拼凑出这一切是如何发生的，并了解到那天晚上的后台操作是多么复杂，最终杰夫·弗莱克得到了他想要的东西。
Leverage wasn't enough.
杠杆还不够。
He also got lucky.
他也很幸运。
Mike Pence seems to be the reason that Susan Collins' deal and Flake's deal both changed at the last minute.
迈克·彭斯（Mike Pence）似乎是苏珊·柯林斯（Susan Collins）的交易和弗莱克（Flake）的交易在最后一刻改变的原因。
And their deals changed because of another issue I didn't see coming, abortion.
他们的交易因为另一个我没有预见到的问题而改变，那就是堕胎。
Susan Collins wanted that Obamacare fix.
苏珊·柯林斯希望奥巴马医改能够得到解决。
At the eleventh hour, these antiabortion activists met up with Mike Pence because they heard about Susan Collins' Obamacare fix.
在最后一刻，这些反堕胎活动人士会见了迈克·彭斯，因为他们听说了苏珊·柯林斯的奥巴马医改方案。
They thought it would result in federal dollars going towards abortions.
他们认为这将导致联邦资金用于堕胎。
They did not like that.
他们不喜欢那样。
Mike Pence is passionately, vigorously against abortion.
迈克·彭斯强烈反对堕胎。
That is his big issue.
这是他的大问题。
Pence then met with Collins.
彭斯随后会见了柯林斯。
As best I can tell, this meeting changed things for Collins' deal.
据我所知，这次会议改变了柯林斯的交易。
And she was unhappy about it.
她对此很不高兴。
And in fact, the provision she wanted did get kicked down the road.
事实上，她想要的规定确实被搁置了。
After all that, McConnell's office wanted to be absolutely certain of every Republican vote because they'd been burned by a defection just three weeks before.
毕竟，麦康奈尔的办公室希望绝对确定共和党的每一张选票，因为就在三周前，他们还因叛逃而感到焦灼。
So McConnell made a game-time decision to call Flake and give him what he wanted with DACA.
因此，麦康奈尔在比赛时做出了一个决定，给弗莱克打电话，并通过 DACA 给他他想要的东西。
The Sergeant at Arms will restore order in the gallery.
武装中士将恢复画廊的秩序。
And later that night, when the tax bill comes to the floor--
那天晚上晚些时候，当税单落地时——
Senators voting in the affirmative-- Alexander, Barrasso, Blunt--
投票赞成的参议员——亚历山大、巴拉索、布朗特——
Collins votes for it.
柯林斯投了赞成票。
Female Speaker --Collins, Corker--
女议长——Collins, Corker——
She votes for it even though she apparently got shivved at the last second.
尽管她在最后一秒显然被吓倒了，但她还是投了赞成票。
--Daines, Enzi, Ernst, Fischer, Flake, Gardner, Graham, Grassley, Hatch, Heller, Hoeven, Inhofe, Isakson, Johnson--
——戴恩斯、恩齐、恩斯特、费舍尔、弗莱克、加德纳、格雷厄姆、格拉斯利、哈奇、海勒、霍文、英霍夫、伊萨克森、约翰逊——
Act Two, Flake's Second at Bat-- Now with the President.
第二幕，弗莱克第二次击球——现在与总统在一起。
It's weird to be inside a senator's office, listening to him gossip with other lawmakers like a kid on the phone and then see that gossip become news and then government business.
在参议员的办公室里，听他像小孩子一样在电话里与其他议员闲聊，然后看到这些八卦变成新闻，然后变成政府事务，这感觉很奇怪。
A commitment on a cell phone between two guys seeps out through the halls of the Capitol and onto cable TV.
两个人在手机上的承诺渗透到国会大厦的大厅和有线电视上。
The lawmakers are negotiating a bill impacting undocumented immigrants.
立法者正在谈判一项影响无证移民的法案。
Really, DACA is at the center of everything.
确实，DACA 是一切的中心。
And keep in mind, Senator Jeff Flake is expecting a DACA bill signed in the new year.
请记住，参议员 Jeff Flake 预计 DACA 法案将在新的一年签署。
McConnell gives a press conference on December 22, a few days after the tax bill passes.
税收法案通过几天后，麦康奈尔于 12 月 22 日召开新闻发布会。
We have a commitment on a bipartisan basis to address the DACA issue.
我们承诺在两党的基础上解决 DACA 问题。
And there's a working group.
还有一个工作组。
And I've said to them, if they can come up with an agreement that the administration is comfortable with, will devote floor time to that in January as well.
我已经对他们说过，如果他们能够达成一项令政府满意的协议，他们也会在一月份花时间讨论这个问题。
--an agreement that the administration is comfortable with--
——政府对此感到满意的协议——
Sounds as monotonous as the rest, totally standard.
听起来和其他的一样单调，完全标准。
Just keep it in mind because that is not the deal Flake thinks he got.
请记住这一点，因为这不是弗莱克认为他得到的协议。
Anyway, now that Flake has dealt with McConnell, he has to get the White House on board.
不管怎样，现在弗莱克已经和麦康奈尔打交道了，他必须让白宫加入进来。
Up till now, it's been relatively normal political horse trading.
到目前为止，这是相对正常的政治讨价还价。
Now all that's going to change.
现在这一切都将改变。
It's not an easy thing for Flake to do to ask Trump to work with him.
对于弗莱克来说，邀请特朗普与他合作并不是一件容易的事。
Trump and Flake do not get along in a very loud and public way.
特朗普和弗莱克的相处方式并不公开。
Like recently, Trump went to Arizona and trash talked both Republican senators, first John McCain and then--
就像最近，特朗普去了亚利桑那州，对两位共和党参议员说了垃圾话，首先是约翰·麦凯恩，然后——
And nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, who's weak on borders, weak on crime.
没有人想让我谈论你们的另一位参议员，他在边界问题上软弱无力，在犯罪问题上软弱无力。
So I won't talk about him.
所以我不会谈论他。
Nobody wants me to talk about him.
没有人想让我谈论他。
Nobody knows who the hell he is.
没有人知道他到底是谁。
Here's a question.
这里有一个问题。
Have you talked to the president?
你和总统谈过吗？
Has he called you or anything?
他给你打过电话或者有什么事情吗？
I was at the White House on the NAFTA issue.
我在白宫讨论北美自由贸易协定问题。
That hostage looking photo, I guess.
我猜是那张看起来像人质的照片。
That's--
那是——
You didn't look relaxed.
你看起来并不轻松。
In this photo, his lips are pressed together.
在这张照片中，他的嘴唇紧闭在一起。
He looks like he's sitting as far apart from the president as he can get.
他看上去坐在离总统尽可能远的地方。
One of the NAFTA renegotiation meetings-- Flake's a NAFTA fan.
北美自由贸易协定重新谈判会议之一——弗莱克是北美自由贸易协定的粉丝。
Trump calls it the worst trade deal ever made.
特朗普称这是有史以来最糟糕的贸易协议。
As soon as I walked in that room, I thought, I'm going to be next to him, aren't I?
当我走进那个房间时，我就想，我会站在他旁边，不是吗？
Yep.
是的。
But he did pull me aside and said that he had spoken to Mike Pence and others and that he expressed again his desire to move ahead on DACA.
但他确实把我拉到一边，说他已经与迈克·彭斯和其他人谈过了，并再次表达了推进 DACA 的愿望。
He said, we're going to get this done.
他说，我们会完成这件事。
This conversation weeks ago remains a North Star for Flake.
几周前的这次谈话对弗莱克来说仍然是北极星。
The president said, we're going to get this done.
总统说，我们会完成这件事。
So we're going to get it done.
所以我们要完成它。
He believes that.
他相信这一点。
He understands that what the White House wants for DACA is the wall.
他明白白宫想要的 DACA 是隔离墙。
And for a while the main question is what's a wall.
有一段时间，主要的问题是什么是墙。
How expensive?
有多贵？
How many miles?
多少英里？
In December, the White House finally gets specific.
12 月，白宫终于明确了具体内容。
It's going to be $2 billion worth of wall this next year along with other border security stuff.
明年的隔离墙以及其他边境安全设施将耗资 20 亿美元。
Flake is like, great.
薄片就像，太棒了。
We're moving forward.
我们正在前进。
And then just after the New Year, the loop de loop begins.
然后新年刚过，循环就开始了。
The White House is like, surprise, and drops this list on them.
白宫感到惊讶，并把这份名单交给了他们。
It's the hardest of hard-line immigration policy dream wish list.
这是强硬移民政策中最艰难的梦想愿望清单。
The White House threw the kitchen sink in and just all of it.
白宫把厨房水槽和所有的东西都扔了进去。
Let's do a sign on policy, sanctuary cities.
让我们在政策、庇护城市上做一个标志。
Let's do everything.
让我们做一切吧。
Let's fund the wall, the whole thing.
让我们为这堵墙以及整个工程提供资金。
Let's put that in there.
让我们把它放在那里。
This is not what Flake thought this bill was going to be.
这不是弗莱克所认为的该法案的内容。
Honestly, it surprised me, too.
老实说，这也让我感到惊讶。
Given what the White House had been saying, it was an abrupt right turn.
考虑到白宫的说法，这是一个突然的右转。
To get any deal in the Senate, Flake knows it'll need Democrats and Republicans both.
弗莱克知道，要在参议院达成任何协议，都需要民主党和共和党的支持。
And now the Democrats are mad.
现在民主党人疯了。
Democrats are slamming the administration's plan for a border wall including Senator Dick Durbin, who said--
包括参议员迪克·德宾在内的民主党人猛烈抨击政府的边境墙计划，他说——
Dick Durbin's like, you're piling all these draconian immigration enforcement measures on the backs of Dreamers.
迪克·德宾（Dick Durbin）说，你把所有这些严厉的移民执法措施都强加在梦想家身上。
That's not what we've been negotiating.
这不是我们一直在谈判的内容。
Trump's like, maybe the government needs a good shutdown if you're so mad.
特朗普说，如果你这么生气，也许政府需要彻底关闭。
The Democrats are like, yeah, maybe it does.
民主党人说，是的，也许确实如此。
That brings us to January 9, a big meeting between the White House and lawmakers.
1 月 9 日，白宫与立法者将举行一次大型会议。
It's the first with Democrats.
这是民主党的第一次。
So it's a big deal.
所以这是一件大事。
It's supposed to get everyone on the same page.
它应该让每个人都达成共识。
Smooth out all the misunderstandings so they can make this happen.
消除所有误会，以便他们能够实现这一目标。
But as is routine for this White House, there are some distractions.
但正如白宫的例行公事一样，也有一些干扰因素。
As you may remember, the Michael Wolff book, Fire and Fury, has just come out.
您可能还记得，迈克尔·沃尔夫的书《火与怒》刚刚出版。
Richard, isn't it remarkable that we're talking about the president's mental state?
理查德，我们谈论总统的精神状态不是很值得注意吗？
People are openly questioning the president's sanity on every TV in the Capitol.
人们在国会大厦的每台电视上公开质疑总统的理智。
100% of the people closest to the president believe that there is something wrong here.
100%与总统最亲近的人都认为这里出了问题。
There's also news of potential military strikes against North Korea this morning.
今天早上还有消息称可能对朝鲜进行军事打击。
Reporters catch Flake in the Dirksen hallway.
记者在德克森的走廊里抓住了弗莱克。
Senator Flake, on a separate foreign policy note, there's a report today that the administration is considering what they're calling nose--
弗莱克参议员，在另一份外交政策报告中，今天有一份报告称，政府正在考虑他们所说的鼻子——
A bloody nose?
鼻子流血了？
Reporter Bloody nose strategy in North Korea, where they would strategically strike several sites.
记者在朝鲜的血鼻战略，他们将对朝鲜的几个地点进行战略性打击。
Have you seen those reports?
你看过那些报道吗？
No, I have not.
不，我没有。
I have not.
我没有。
I have to look at it first.
我必须先看看它。
Hi, Senator Flake.
你好，弗莱克参议员。
I'm Reyna.
我是雷娜。
I'm a Dreamer.
我是一个梦想家。
We've met.
我们见过面。
Oh, hi.
哦，嗨。
Zoe Chace That voice-- that's a woman who comes up to Flake, a DACA recipient named Reyna.
佐伊·查斯 (Zoe Chace) 那个声音——是一个向弗莱克走来的女人，她是一名 DACA 受益人，名叫雷娜 (Reyna)。
This is starting to happen a lot.
这种情况开始经常发生。
Everywhere we go in the Capitol, we run into DACA kids.
无论我们去国会大厦的哪个地方，我们都会遇到 DACA 儿童。
Sometimes it's in big groups in matching orange shirts and orange beanies, yelling, "Dream Act Now."
有时，它会成群结队地穿着相配的橙色衬衫和橙色无檐小便帽，高喊着“梦想，现在就行动”。
Reyna came here with a small group.
雷纳带着一小群人来到这里。
She drove 48 hours from Arizona.
她从亚利桑那州开车 48 小时来到这里。
And she's different from other Dreamers I meet at the Capitol.
她与我在国会大厦遇到的其他梦想家不同。
She's more like a Politico reporter than an advocate.
她更像是一名政治记者，而不是一名倡导者。
She knows there's a bipartisan bill in the works.
她知道两党正在制定一项法案。
She knows that Flake is working on it.
她知道弗莱克正在努力。
She knows there's a meeting today at the White House.
她知道今天白宫有一个会议。
She says, we're just kind of worried to see if you would see something happening in terms of the deal coming closer.
她说，我们只是有点担心，看看您是否会看到交易临近时发生的事情。
I'm just really kind of worried to see if you would say something happening in terms of the deal that's coming closer.
我只是真的有点担心你是否会说一些即将到来的交易中发生的事情。
We're going to the White House right now for a bipartisan meeting.
我们现在要去白宫参加两党会议。
And it involves 27 people.
涉及27人。
That's so many people.
这么多人啊。
Zoe Chace A bipartisan meeting with 27 people.
Zoe Chace 与 27 人参加的两党会议。
Reyna and Flake worry together that's too many.
雷娜和弗莱克一起担心这太多了。
Too many.
太多了。
It's not going to be that much negotiation.
不会有那么多谈判。
But we're-- all I can say is we're doing all we can.
但我只能说，我们正在竭尽全力。
Well, thank you so much for your leadership.
嗯，非常感谢您的领导。
And we just want to be able to be helpful.
我们只是希望能够提供帮助。
When Reyna talks to senators, she talks strategy.
当雷纳与参议员交谈时，她谈论的是战略。
She doesn't tell her story.
她不讲她的故事。
To be honest, that's the way to talk to Flake, I think.
说实话，我认为这就是与弗莱克交谈的方式。
He can seem a little cold when it comes to constituents.
当谈到选民时，他似乎有点冷漠。
I rarely hear him talk about what Dreamers want.
我很少听他谈论梦想家想要什么。
He talks about what Schumer wants, what McConnell doesn't.
他谈论舒默想要什么，麦康奈尔不想要什么。
Reyna and the other Dreamers are in the weirdest legislative cul-de-sac imaginable.
雷纳和其他梦想家正处于可以想象的最奇怪的立法死胡同中。
Their issue is immensely popular, which you'd think would be an asset.
他们的问题非常受欢迎，你会认为这是一笔财富。
But in fact, it's a curse.
但事实上，这是一个诅咒。
Reyna comes to learn that.
雷娜来了解这一点。
Flake's seen it already over his many years' negotiating immigration deals.
弗莱克在多年的移民协议谈判中已经看到了这一点。
We've always had the DREAM Act, or DACA solution, before it was called DACA, that we realized that we could have taken to the floor in either the House and Senate and passed relatively easily because there's so much public support out there.
在被称为“DACA”之前，我们一直都有“梦想法案”或“DACA”解决方案，我们意识到我们可以在众议院和参议院提出并相对容易地通过，因为那里有如此多的公众支持。
But it was always put as part of the broader package because we needed the other things as well.
但它总是作为更广泛的一揽子计划的一部分，因为我们还需要其他东西。
Because the Dreamers are so popular, they're often used as a spoonful of sugar to make tougher immigration measures easier to swallow-- stuff like border security, restricting visas, or on the Democrat side, legalizing even more immigrants.
由于梦想家如此受欢迎，它们经常被用作一勺糖，让更严厉的移民措施更容易被接受——比如边境安全、限制签证，或者在民主党方面，让更多移民合法化。
That's the curse of DACA.
这就是DACA的诅咒。
The most valuable thing about it, on Capitol Hill anyway, is the possibility that it could be used to pass other stuff.
无论如何，在国会山，它最有价值的是它可以用来传递其他东西的可能性。
So even though we're a democracy, even though 80% of the country wants DACA, the country doesn't get what it wants because there's no incentive for Congress to just put it to a straight up or down vote.
因此，尽管我们是一个民主国家，尽管这个国家 80% 的人都想要 DACA，但这个国家却没有得到它想要的，因为国会没有动力直接投票赞成或反对。
And everybody here takes this for granted.
这里的每个人都认为这是理所当然的。
So when President Trump canceled DACA in September, DACA become this sort of brass ring again, everyone grabbing at Dreamers for their own agendas.
因此，当特朗普总统在 9 月取消 DACA 时，DACA 再次成为这种黄铜圈，每个人都为了自己的议程而抓住梦想家。
That's why Flake thinks nothing will happen in this White House meeting-- too many people, too many agendas.
这就是为什么弗莱克认为这次白宫会议不会发生任何事情——太多的人，太多的议程。
There are people there today who I'm convinced don't want to deal at all.
我确信今天那里有人根本不想打交道。
And so anyway, that's what my concern is.
无论如何，这就是我关心的问题。
OK, all right.
好吧，好吧。
I'll see you when you get back.
当你回来时我会见到你。
I wasn't allowed into the White House meeting.
我不被允许参加白宫会议。
So I was expecting to just get Flake to tell me later.
所以我希望弗莱克稍后能告诉我。
That proved to be unnecessary.
事实证明这是没有必要的。
I'm thrilled to be with a distinguished group of Republican and Democratic lawmakers from both the House and the Senate.
我很高兴能与来自众议院和参议院的一群杰出的共和党和民主党议员在一起。
We have something in common.
我们有一些共同点。
We'd like to see this get done.
我们希望看到这件事完成。
It's DACA.
这是DACA。
We've been talking about DACA for a long--
我们已经谈论 DACA 很长时间了——
There are TVs all over the Senate building tuned to CNN.
参议院大楼各处都有电视收看 CNN。
Chandler, Flake's chief of staff, and I are getting coffee.
弗莱克的幕僚长钱德勒和我正在喝咖啡。
And notice the cameras aren't leaving the room.
请注意，摄像机没有离开房间。
All of Washington ends up watching almost the whole meeting on cable TV.
整个华盛顿的人几乎都通过有线电视观看了整个会议。
This is a pretty infamous meeting talked about a lot since.
这是一次非常臭名昭著的会议，此后人们谈论了很多。
It's one of the starkest moments of reality TV of the Trump presidency.
这是特朗普总统任期内电视真人秀中最严峻的时刻之一。
The part at the beginning where everyone's getting along.
一开始大家相处的部分。
The president calls a potential deal a "bill of love."
总统称一项潜在的协议是“爱的法案”。
Truly, it should be a bill of love.
确实，这应该是一份爱的法案。
And we can--
我们可以——
His agenda seems to be prove to everyone he's not crazy.
他的议程似乎是向所有人证明他没有疯。
Prove his own tweet that he's a very stable genius.
用他自己的推文证明他是一个非常稳定的天才。
Maybe because of that, he says yes to things he's never wanted before or since.
也许正因为如此，他才会对他之前或之后从未想要过的事情说“是”。
At one point, Senator Feinstein offers a straight-up DACA bill, no wall attached.
有一次，范斯坦参议员提出了一项直接的 DACA 法案，没有附墙。
Yeah, I would like to.
是的，我愿意。
I think a lot of people would like to see that.
我想很多人都愿意看到这一点。
But I think we have to do DACA.
但我认为我们必须实行 DACA。
But Mr. President, wait.
但是总统先生，等等。
Zoe Chace Kevin McCarthy, House Republican, is like, no, dude.
众议院共和党人佐伊·切斯·凯文·麦卡锡说，不，伙计。
No. Trump moves on to another guy.
不，特朗普转向了另一个人。
Jeff?
杰夫？
Zoe Chace Jeff-- I crane my head at the TV to see Flake at the end of the table.
Zoe Chace Jeff——我把头伸向电视，看到桌子尽头的弗莱克。
For those of us who have been through comprehensive reform, that was six, seven months of every night negotiating.
对于我们这些经历过全面改革的人来说，那是六七个月的夜夜谈判。
He says, doing all the stuff that you're listing that you want, Mr. President, by March 5, that's too hard.
他说，总统先生，在 3 月 5 日之前完成你列出的所有你想要的事情，这太难了。
That's why we'd make it a phase two.
这就是为什么我们将其设为第二阶段。
We do a phase one, which is DACA and security.
我们进行第一阶段，即 DACA 和安全。
And we do phase two, which is comprehensive immigration.
我们进行第二阶段，即全面移民。
And I think we should go right to it.
我认为我们应该直接开始。
I really do.
我真的这么做。
We do one.
我们做了一个。
And we then do the other.
然后我们再做另一个。
But we go right to it, yes.
但我们还是直接去做吧，是的。
Flake got him to say just what he wanted-- phase one and phase two, DACA and wall first, maybe one or two other things.
弗莱克让他说出他想说的话——第一阶段和第二阶段、DACA 和隔离墙优先，也许还有其他一两件事。
The bigger, more major changes the White House wants, they'll come later on a separate bill, phase two.
白宫想要的更大、更重大的改变将在稍后的第二阶段单独法案中提出。
After demanding the kitchen sink just a short while ago, Trump's now throwing the kitchen sink out.
在不久前要求厨房水槽后，特朗普现在又把厨房水槽扔掉了。
Everyone in Washington knows that phase two will never happen.
华盛顿的每个人都知道第二阶段永远不会发生。
Well, Trump doesn't.
嗯，特朗普不这么认为。
But Congress knows that Congress cannot pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill.
但国会知道国会无法通过一项全面的移民改革法案。
But whatever.
但无论如何。
This will work.
这会起作用。
It's whiplash but whiplash that Flake thinks breaks his way.
这是鞭打，但弗莱克认为鞭打打破了他的道路。
I'm not able to meet up with him right after the meeting because he's busy giving TV interviews.
会议结束后我无法立即与他见面，因为他正忙着接受电视采访。
When we finally catch up in the Capitol building that afternoon, he's in a completely different mood.
那天下午我们终于在国会大厦见面时，他的心情完全不同了。
The news cycle's mood has shifted, too, from alarm over the president's mental state to thrilling over Trump the deal maker.
新闻周期的情绪也从对总统精神状态的担忧转变为对交易撮合者特朗普的兴奋。
The president's "act like a sane person" strategy seems to be working.
总统的“表现得像个理智的人”策略似乎正在发挥作用。
Nope.
没有。
No, that was all the other reporters.
不，那是所有其他记者。
Sorry you weren't there.
抱歉你当时不在场。
You weren't there.
你当时不在场。
Where you been?
你去哪儿了？
I couldn't get to the White House, man.
我没能去白宫，伙计。
Luckily, the whole meeting was recorded.
幸运的是，整个会议都被录音了。
Aw, man.
噢，伙计。
Woo!
哇！
Zoe Chace What'd you make of it?
佐伊·切斯 你对此有何感想？
Frankly, I had pretty low expectations going into it.
坦白说，我对此的期望很低。
But there were some useful things that came out of it.
但从中产生了一些有用的东西。
Yeah, he expressed more flexibility than some in the room were comfortable with, I think.
是的，我认为他表现出的灵活性比房间里的一些人感到舒服的多。
And then when the cameras left, he kept referring to phase one and phase two.
然后当摄像机离开时，他一直提到第一阶段和第二阶段。
And that's what we've been wanting.
这就是我们一直想要的。
When I heard that, I thought that was the thing that you've been asking for.
当我听到这个消息时，我以为这就是你一直在要求的东西。
Yeah, it was.
是的，确实如此。
Yeah, we talked during the private meeting.
是的，我们在私人会议期间谈过。
That's when I kept trying to come back to him.
那时我一直试图回到他身边。
Thank you for recognizing that we can't do it all in the next month, that we've got to stick to certain items.
感谢您认识到我们无法在下个月完成所有工作，我们必须坚持某些项目。
And then we can come back to the other things.
然后我们可以回到其他事情。
Flake's doing a thing here that I saw a few times.
弗莱克在这里做了一件我见过几次的事情。
He's such an accentuate-the-positive kind of guy, it's almost like he only heard the parts he wanted to hear.
他是一个强调积极的人，几乎就像他只听到了他想听的部分。
At the meeting, Trump also talked about not letting in killers and ending chain migration.
在会议上，特朗普还谈到了不让杀手进来和结束连锁移民。
That that was urgent.
那是紧急的。
But Flake's focused on this one point.
但弗莱克重点关注这一点。
He made it clear a number of times that he's not going to be doctrinaire on this, more in transient, that he will sign whatever gets to him.
他多次明确表示，他不会在这件事上表现得教条主义，更短暂的是，他会签署任何他能得到的东西。
That he trusts us to put something together, and that he'll sign it.
他相信我们能把一些东西放在一起，并且他会签署。
I mean, you sound kind of excited.
我的意思是，你听起来有点兴奋。
You seem like--
你看起来像——
Yeah, a little better.
是的，好一点了。
Zoe Chace During my months with Jeff Flake, one thing I didn't understand for a long time was his ability to stay optimistic after years of disappointment over this issue.
佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace） 在我与杰夫·弗雷克（Jeff Flake）相处的几个月里，我很长一段时间不明白的一件事是，他在对这个问题多年失望之后仍然保持乐观的能力。
It was confounding.
这令人困惑。
I knew that part of his optimism is political strategy.
我知道他的乐观情绪部分源于政治策略。
He's using that attitude with reporters, with the administration, with his colleagues.
他对记者、政府和同事都采用这种态度。
But he came to realize at the same time this is his nature.
但他同时意识到这就是他的本性。
He can't be different.
他不可能与众不同。
A few months ago, I asked him about The Book of Mormon.
几个月前，我向他询问《摩尔门经》的事。
I saw it on his desk.
我在他的桌子上看到了它。
I saw him reading from it on his phone and listening to the audio book through wireless headphones.
我看到他在手机上阅读并通过无线耳机收听有声读物。
He's devout.
他很虔诚。
He doesn't drink coffee.
他不喝咖啡。
He goes to church every Sunday.
他每周日都去教堂。
Doesn't drink or swear.
不喝酒也不说脏话。
And he told me one of his favorite parts of The Book of Mormon is in the last several passages of Alma, which tells the story of people who, Mormons believe, lived in the Americas long before Columbus arrived.
他告诉我，《摩门教之书》中他最喜欢的部分之一是《阿尔玛》的最后几段，其中讲述了摩门教徒相信早在哥伦布到达之前就生活在美洲的人们的故事。
There's a character called Moroni, a military captain.
有一个角色叫摩罗乃，是一名军事上尉。
And he grew pretty angry at the government at that time led by a guy named Pahoran, who was a good guy.
他对当时由一个名叫帕霍兰的人领导的政府感到非常愤怒，帕霍兰是一个好人。
But Moroni who was also a really good guy, assumed that the government was holding out, not giving them their war supplies and whatever else.
但莫罗尼也是一个非常好的人，他认为政府在坚持，不向他们提供战争物资和其他任何东西。
He writes a threatening letter to Pahoran, saying, why are you ignoring me?
他给帕霍兰写了一封威胁信，说，你为什么不理我？
Long story short, it's a misunderstanding.
长话短说，这是一个误会。
Pahoran was under siege by the enemy and just couldn't help Moroni.
帕霍兰被敌人围困，无法帮助莫罗尼。
But Moroni had no way of knowing that.
但摩罗乃无法知道这一点。
Finally, Pahoran got a chance to tell him.
帕霍兰终于有机会告诉他了。
And he didn't get mad at Moroni or anything.
他并没有生摩罗乃之类的气。
He said, no, you're a good man.
他说，不，你是个好人。
And you just don't have all the information.
而你只是没有掌握所有信息。
They were both fine after that.
之后他们俩都很好。
They reconciled.
他们和解了。
Something like that tells you to bridle your passions, not assume the worst.
类似这样的事情告诉你要抑制你的激情，不要做最坏的打算。
Assume the best.
假设最好的。
Look for the good.
寻找好的一面。
Things usually work out.
事情通常都会顺利进行。
Assume the best.
假设最好的。
Look for the good.
寻找好的一面。
It's his motto.
这是他的座右铭。
He talks about it a lot.
他谈了很多。
It was written out on an index card on his parent's fridge growing up.
这是在他成长过程中父母冰箱上的一张索引卡上写的。
He says, you'll find it in every one of his 10 brothers and sisters houses, too.
他说，你也会在他的 10 个兄弟姐妹的房子里找到它。
It's his attitude towards everyone, even Trump, who Flake can't stand.
这是他对每个人的态度，甚至是特朗普，弗莱克都无法忍受。
Throughout this whole negotiation, Flake continues to say, Trump wants a DACA deal.
在整个谈判过程中，弗莱克继续表示，特朗普希望达成 DACA 协议。
He has better instincts on this than his advisors, he says.
他说，他在这方面比他的顾问有更好的直觉。
It's the Moroni in him.
这是他内心的摩罗乃。
When I come in the next morning, January 10, I find out Flake's been up most of the night.
1 月 10 日，第二天早上，当我回来时，我发现弗莱克已经睡了大半夜。
Good morning.
早上好。
Jeff Flake Good morning.
杰夫·弗莱克早上好。
Where have you been?
你去哪儿了？
Since the president has said he'll sign whatever he gets, different factions of lawmakers start writing their own bills with their own priorities.
由于总统表示他将签署他收到的任何文件，不同派系的立法者开始根据自己的优先事项编写自己的法案。
It's a race to get a bill to the president and prejudice him in favor of the first one he sees.
这是一场向总统提交法案并让他偏向于他看到的第一个法案的竞赛。
You missed a good DACA meeting last night.
您昨晚错过了一场精彩的 DACA 会议。
Well, what happened?
嗯，发生了什么事？
Jeff Flake It was just called kind of on the fly.
杰夫·弗雷克（Jeff Flake） 这只是被称为“即时”。
But we met, the six of us.
但我们相遇了，我们六个人。
And it's what the group has become.
这就是这个团体现在的样子。
The Gang of Six, all immigration bill veterans, half Democrats, half Republicans.
六人帮，都是移民法案的资深人士，一半是民主党人，一半是共和党人。
Flake's staff spends the day finishing the draft of the bill.
弗莱克的工作人员花了一天时间完成该法案的草案。
Flake's feeling good about it.
弗莱克对此感觉良好。
Really good.
真的很好。
At one point, a bunch of students come by.
这时，一群学生走过来。
--that you will not be running for re-election.
——你不会竞选连任。
So with that, what do you want your legacy to be as senator?
那么，作为参议员，您希望留下什么遗产呢？
[CHUCKLES] Get DACA done.
[笑声] 完成 DACA。
That's it.
就是这样。
That's for Zoe's benefit right here.
这是为了佐伊的利益。
Yeah, no, I appreciate it.
是的，不，我很感激。
I took a note.
我记下了。
He's a little tired of me asking about his legacy all the time.
他有点厌倦了我一直询问他的遗产。
So I did appreciate it.
所以我很感激。
By that night, in his office, he's dreaming big.
那天晚上，在他的办公室里，他正在做一个远大的梦想。
He's imagining the president selling the deal at the State of the Union in 2 and 1/2 weeks.
他想象总统会在 2 又 1/2 周后在国情咨文中推销该协议。
And for the State of the Union address coming up at the end of the month, the president-- it sure would be nice for him to stand up and say, we've got this bipartisan deal done.
对于本月底即将发表的国情咨文演讲，总统如果能够站出来说，我们已经完成了这项两党协议，那肯定会很好。
I'm sure the president wants to do that.
我确信总统想要这样做。
I would if I were him.
如果我是他我会的。
I mean, the president's only going to endorse a bipartisan deal.
我的意思是，总统只会批准两党协议。
We just hope he'll get behind this one.
我们只是希望他能支持这一点。
And we can move it through quickly.
我们可以快速完成它。
And you think the President will only endorse a bipartisan deal?
您认为总统只会支持两党协议吗？
It's hard to know what he's going to do, right?
很难知道他要做什么，对吧？
I do think that he's there.
我确实认为他在那里。
Zoe Chace OK, so you guys, you have your deal.
佐伊·查斯（Zoe Chace） 好吧，你们达成一致了。
Right.
正确的。
Zoe Chace Is it written down on a piece of paper?
Zoe Chace 它写在一张纸上吗？
I have three sheets that-- I have three sheets here which talk about what we've agreed to.
我有三张纸——我这里有三张纸谈论我们已经同意的内容。
Just then, Senator Bob Corker shows up.
就在这时，参议员鲍勃·科克出现了。
Like it's the "attack the president and quit the Senate" club meeting.
就像这是“攻击总统并退出参议院”俱乐部会议。
Chief of Staff Chandler basically hooks my collar and literally throws me out of the room.
参谋长钱德勒基本上勾住了我的衣领，然后把我扔出了房间。
Whoa, what?
哇，什么？
Chandler Morse I grabbed you out of there.
钱德勒·莫尔斯 我把你从那里抓了出来。
Why?
为什么？
Because Corker was like, why don't you stay?
因为科克说，你为什么不留下来呢？
I was like, I have some place to go.
我当时想，我有地方要去。
That's not what happened.
事实并非如此。
Zoe Chace Rude.
佐伊·切斯·粗鲁。
I sit next to the coat rack behind a scheduler and wait.
我坐在调度员后面的衣帽架旁边等待。
I'm holding the immigration deal outline in my hand.
我手里拿着移民协议大纲。
For one sweet Washington moment, I am the only reporter who has it, I think.
我想，对于华盛顿的一个甜蜜时刻，我是唯一拥有它的记者。
I fight the urge to tweet it out.
我忍住了把它发推文的冲动。
It's an urge I never thought I'd have.
这是我从未想过的冲动。
But being down here, it becomes a thing.
但来到这里，它就成了一件事。
I read the bill and realize there's so much in here for each side to hate.
我读了这份法案，意识到其中有太多让双方都讨厌的地方。
DACA kids get citizenship but only after 12 years.
DACA 儿童必须在 12 年后才能获得公民身份。
They aren't allowed to sponsor their parents for citizenship.
他们不被允许担保父母获得公民身份。
But the parents do get work permits.
但父母确实获得了工作许可证。
Republicans get an end to the visa lottery program.
共和党结束了签证抽签计划。
And Democrats keep those visas for other immigrants.
民主党人为其他移民保留了这些签证。
And there's money for the wall.
还有钱修墙。
In other words, it's a compromise.
换句话说，这是一种妥协。
Corker leaves.
软木塞离开。
I'm back in.
我回来了。
Flake's leaned way back in his chair, his feet up on the desk, on the phone with Dick Durbin.
弗莱克靠在椅子上，双脚搁在桌子上，正在和迪克·德宾通电话。
They're cracking each other up.
他们互相打闹。
[LAUGHS] Zoe Chace For this one moment, it really seems like this is going to work, like Washington is going to work.
[笑] Zoe Chace 在这一刻，这似乎真的会起作用，就像华盛顿会起作用一样。
They're going to do something.
他们要做点什么。
[LAUGHS] Oh, that's great.
[笑]哦，那太好了。
Zoe Chace At the end of the night, we get on the Senate subway back to the Capitol Building.
佐伊·切斯 夜幕降临时，我们乘坐参议院地铁返回国会大厦。
Let me put it this way.
让我这样说吧。
You've been through this before.
你以前经历过这个。
So what's going to blow this up?
那么什么会炸毁这个呢？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Jeff Flake If the president hears from the base.
杰夫·弗莱克（Jeff Flake） 如果总统听到基地的消息。
Some people get in the White House and see him and say, you can't do this.
有些人进入白宫看到他后说，你不能这样做。
Zoe Chace.
佐伊·查斯。
Coming up, Flake's prophecy fulfilled plus a trip to the South Pacific.
接下来，弗莱克的预言实现了，并进行了一次南太平洋之旅。
That's in a minute.
就在一分钟之内。
Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台当我们的节目继续时。
This American Life.
这美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, if you're just tuning in, we're following Senator Jeff Flake as he tries to do the most basic part of his job, and that is pass a law.
今天在我们的节目中，如果您刚刚收看，我们正在关注参议员杰夫·弗莱克（Jeff Flake），他正在努力完成其工作中最基本的部分，那就是通过一项法律。
That's what we pay those guys for.
这就是我们付钱给那些人的原因。
They seem to do it so rarely these days.
如今他们似乎很少这样做了。
At the end of the first half of the show, we left Senator Flake in a happy, optimistic mood.
上半场演出结束时，我们带着快乐、乐观的心情离开参议员弗莱克。
He had an outline to a bipartisan DACA deal in hand.
他手上有一份两党 DACA 协议的大纲。
It addressed four issues the White House had laid out a few days before.
它解决了白宫几天前提出的四个问题。
The president seemed open.
总统似乎很开放。
He said he'd sign anything.
他说他愿意签署任何东西。
The plan going forward was this.
下一步的计划是这样的。
Lindsey Graham, who'd been playing a lot of golf with the president lately and talking about what good friends they are, would sell the deal to the president.
林赛·格雷厄姆最近经常与总统打高尔夫球，谈论他们是多么好的朋友，他会把这笔交易卖给总统。
And they would get the president to sell the deal to the American people, which means at this point, none of the senators are supposed to talk about the deal publicly, not yet, because they want Donald Trump to own this deal and sell it.
他们会让总统向美国人民兜售这笔交易，这意味着在这一点上，任何参议员都不应该公开谈论这笔交易，因为他们希望唐纳德·特朗普拥有并出售这笔交易。
That's the only way the House of Representatives and the Republican base is going to go for the deal.
这是众议院和共和党基础支持该协议的唯一途径。
And this brings us to Act Three, Flake's next at bat-- When the Cat's Away, the Mouse, He Can Run Around.
这就把我们带到了第三幕，弗莱克的下一个击球——当猫离开时，老鼠，他可以到处跑。
Again, here's Zoe Chace.
佐伊·切斯再次报道。
Zoe Chace I wake up the next morning to mass confusion.
佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace） 第二天早上我醒来时感到一片混乱。
Somehow or other, the strategy has gone off the rails.
不知何故，这一战略已经偏离了轨道。
I'm on the House side doing another interview, but it's easy to track Flake.
我在众议院一边进行另一次采访，但追踪弗莱克很容易。
He seems to be going from reporter to reporter, saying they have a deal.
他似乎从一个记者到另一个记者，说他们达成了协议。
I'm reading this on Twitter.
我正在 Twitter 上读到这篇文章。
Eventually he shows up on TV.
最终他出现在电视上。
The fact that there is a deal came from Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona.
达成一项协议的事实来自亚利桑那州参议员杰夫·弗莱克(Jeff Flake)。
An agreement that we're-- the bipartisan group I'm talking about, the six of us working, that we're shopping among our colleagues now.
我们是——我正在谈论的两党团体，我们六个人一起工作，我们现在正在同事之间购物。
This was not the plan.
这不是计划。
Flake knows his name on the deal could kill the deal for the president.
弗莱克知道，他在协议上的名字可能会毁掉总统的协议。
He often flies to Arizona as soon as he can on Thursdays.
他经常在周四尽快飞往亚利桑那州。
He's incredibly close to his wife, Cheryl.
他与妻子谢丽尔的关系非常亲密。
The youngest of his five kids is a senior in high school.
他的五个孩子中最小的一个是一名高中生。
I'm basically running with him to get to the airport.
我基本上是和他一起跑去机场。
So you're running around the capitol saying you've got a deal.
所以你在国会大厦里跑来跑去说你已经达成协议了。
As we rush out to the car waiting to take him to the airport, Flake's press officer runs after us, pulls him back, and literally whispers into his ear.
当我们冲向汽车准备送他去机场时，弗莱克的新闻官员追上我们，把他拉了回来，并在他耳边低语。
It's weird.
很奇怪。
I've never seen them do that before.
我以前从未见过他们这样做。
We get in the car.
我们上车。
I don't know if it's vanity or strategy that's making Flake talk out of school.
我不知道是虚荣心还是策略让弗莱克离开了学校。
Why did I do what?
我为什么做了什么？
Zoe Chace Why did you tell everyone you had a deal?
佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace）你为什么要告诉所有人你达成了协议？
Because we have an agreement.
因为我们有一个协议。
We do.
我们做到了。
We do.
我们做到了。
The six of us-- between us.
我们六个人——我们之间。
We had the agreement.
我们达成了协议。
I know.
我知道。
I just thought that you were going to wait for the president to talk about it before you talked about it.
我只是以为你要等总统讲完再讲。
All I said is we pretty much have an agreement when I was asked about it.
当我被问及此事时，我只是说我们几乎达成了一致。
That's not going rogue I wouldn't think.
我想这不会是流氓行为。
I've gone rogue.
我已经出轨了
This wasn't rogue.
这不是流氓。
It was a little vanity and a little strategy.
这是一点虚荣心，也是一点策略。
Flake had been watching Fox News the night before to get a read on how the president's base was taking the immigration developments-- badly, it turns out.
弗莱克前一天晚上一直在收看福克斯新闻，以了解总统的支持者如何看待移民的发展——事实证明，情况很糟糕。
After one day of praising his presidential-ness and deal making chops, they were now furious at him for selling out to "Flake Jeff Flake" and the Chuck Schumers of the world.
在赞扬了他的总统才能和交易能力一天之后，他们现在对他出卖给“弗莱克·杰夫·弗莱克”和世界各地的查克·舒默斯感到愤怒。
Flake figured the deal might die then if it was getting brutalized on Fox.
弗莱克认为，如果福克斯受到残酷对待，这笔交易可能会失败。
So he wanted to make the deal public to keep it alive at least among other members of Congress.
因此，他希望将这笔交易公之于众，以使其至少在国会其他议员中保持活力。
As he's explaining all this, he gets a call.
当他解释这一切时，他接到了电话。
OK.
好的。
But for the record, I never even said that.
但郑重声明，我什至从未说过这样的话。
I never used the word.
我从来没有用过这个词。
[LAUGHS].
[笑]。
OK.
好的。
All right.
好的。
Sounds good.
听起来不错。
Bye.
再见。
You OK?
你还好吗？
What's happening?
发生什么事了？
Jeff Flake Nothing we can talk about on tape.
杰夫·弗雷克（Jeff Flake） 我们在磁带上没有什么可以谈论的。
The whisper, this call-- something weird is going on.
耳语声、呼唤声——有些奇怪的事情正在发生。
There's something Flake's not telling me.
有些事情弗莱克没有告诉我。
All right.
好的。
I don't ever like to go off the record with you because I don't want to set a precedent-- but I just want to know if there's anything I should be prepared for.
我不想和你私下交谈，因为我不想开创先例——但我只是想知道是否有什么我应该做好准备的。
I put the mic down.
我放下麦克风。
The president said something unflattering to the president, Flake says to me.
弗莱克对我说，总统说了一些不讨好总统的话。
Like, the president said something that would make him look really bad if it got out.
比如，总统说了一些话，如果传出去的话，他的形象会很糟糕。
And with that, he walks over to the airport.
说完，他就往机场走去。
My mind raced through what this president could possibly have said that would be that bad.
我的脑海里快速闪过这位总统可能会说的话那么糟糕。
And I will not share those thoughts with you.
我不会与你分享这些想法。
Because anyway, 139 minutes later, we all found out.
因为无论如何，139 分钟后，我们都知道了。
They all are s-hole people who live in s-hole places.
他们都是住在坑里的坑人。
S-hole--
S孔--
[BEEP]-hole countries.
[BEEP]-洞国家。
Male Speaker All countries in Africa are [BEEP]-holes.
男发言者 非洲所有国家都是[BEEP]洞。
Why do we want these people from, quote, "All these [BEEP]-hole countries here."
为什么我们想要这些人，引用的话，“这里所有这些[BEEP]洞国家。”
There was no coming back from that.
从此再也回不来了。
The deal was dead.
这笔交易已经死了。
Flake didn't mess it up by blabbing about it.
弗莱克并没有因为喋喋不休而把事情搞砸。
In fact, it went down exactly like Flake predicted the night before.
事实上，它的下降与弗莱克前一天晚上的预测一模一样。
Some people get in the White House and see him, and say, you can't do this.
有些人走进白宫见到他，然后说，你不能这样做。
We even know exactly when it must have happened-- between 10:00 and noon that morning.
我们甚至确切地知道事情发生的时间——那天早上 10:00 到中午。
Because at 10, when Dick Durbin called the president, Donald Trump seemed psyched to hear from him.
因为当迪克·德宾 (Dick Durbin) 10 点给总统打电话时，唐纳德·特朗普 (Donald Trump) 似乎很高兴收到他的来信。
He wanted to hear what they came up with.
他想听听他们想出了什么办法。
So Durbin and Lindsey Graham went over to the White House.
因此，德宾和林赛·格雷厄姆前往白宫。
There's been a ton of good reporting on this.
关于这一点已经有很多好的报道。
So you may know the story.
所以你可能知道这个故事。
By noon, when they arrived, the president was a different guy.
中午，当他们到达时，总统已经变了一个人。
Graham and Durbin walk in.
格雷厄姆和德宾走了进来。
And there are hardliners in the room-- Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue, and from the White House, the chief of staff, the Head of Homeland Security, and Stephen Miller, the anti-immigration obsessed mastermind, the president's domestic policy advisor.
房间里还有强硬派——参议员汤姆·科顿(Tom Cotton)和大卫·珀杜(David Perdue)，以及来自白宫的幕僚长、国土安全部部长，以及反移民痴迷的策划者、总统的国内政策顾问斯蒂芬·米勒(Stephen Miller)。
The president was in a bad mood.
总统心情不好。
Everyone was.
每个人都是。
"Why do we have all these people coming from [BEEP]-hole countries in Africa," he said, "And not from places like Norway?" And now Trump hates the proposal.
“为什么我们所有这些人都来自非洲的[BEEP]洞国家，”他说，“而不是来自挪威这样的地方？”现在特朗普讨厌这个提议。
In the space of two days, he's gone from wanting the kitchen sink in exchange for DACA to wanting a bill of love, DACA and the wall and a few other things.
在两天的时间里，他从想要厨房水槽来换取 DACA，变成想要一张爱的账单、DACA、墙壁和其他一些东西。
Now he was back to wanting the kitchen sink.
现在他又开始想要厨房水槽了。
This is not how this is supposed to go.
这不应该是这样的。
Usually the president signals to the Congress what he wants to do.
通常总统会向国会发出他想要做什么的信号。
The Congress signals to the president what they might pass.
国会向总统发出他们可能通过什么的信号。
When it's the same party, those priorities line up.
当是同一方时，这些优先级是一致的。
And they march along like a three-legged race, pushing and pulling a little bit but headed towards a common goal, like say Obama on Obamacare.
他们像三足赛跑一样前进，一点点推拉，但朝着一个共同的目标前进，就像奥巴马在奥巴马医改中所说的那样。
This is a Republican Congress that can't move in sync with this White House because looking for signals from this White House, it's like a flaming, screaming siren of noise.
这是一个共和党国会，无法与白宫同步行动，因为从白宫寻找信号，它就像一个燃烧的、尖叫的噪音警报器。
As demonstrated this week, every new person who walks into the Oval Office can flip the president to their side.
正如本周所展示的那样，每一个走进椭圆形办公室的新人都可以将总统翻转到他们一边。
Let alone what he sees on TV every morning and every night, you can't get a clear signal from someone who turns on a dime like that.
别说他每天早上和晚上在电视上看到的，就是这样一个突然变态的人，你都无法得到清晰的信号。
So politics has turned into this game of red light, green light.
于是政治就变成了红灯绿灯的游戏。
When the president turns on the green light, everyone runs toward him, trying to make a deal.
当总统打开绿灯时，每个人都跑向他，试图达成协议。
When he turns on the red light, everyone has to stop.
当他闯红灯时，所有人都必须停下来。
You can't build up momentum towards anything.
你无法为任何事情积聚动力。
You can't find a compromise that'll please him.
你找不到让他满意的妥协方案。
In that environment, what's a senator to do?
在那种环境下，参议员该怎么办？
Act Four, It's Our Prerogative.
第四幕，这是我们的特权。
In the weeks after [BEEP]-hole, I started to hear Flake using a word I find shocking coming out of his mouth.
在[BEEP]洞之后的几周里，我开始听到弗莱克从他嘴里说出了一个令我震惊的词。
The more Flake has lived with this red light, green light thing, the more he's decided that's not what the Senate exists to do.
弗莱克越是忍受这种红灯、绿灯的事情，他就越觉得这不是参议院存在的目的。
The regular process of waiting to hear what the president wants and respond to it-- in normal times, that might make sense.
等待听到总统想要什么并做出回应的常规过程——在正常情况下，这可能是有意义的。
But Flake's like, this guy is nutty and changes every five minutes.
但弗莱克觉得，这家伙很疯狂，每五分钟就会改变一次。
And we don't have to do that.
我们不必这样做。
We have the power to force this president into committing to something.
我们有权力迫使这位总统做出一些承诺。
Well, we're an equal branch of government here.
嗯，我们在这里是平等的政府部门。
And we've been acting like we're not.
而我们一直表现得好像我们不是。
But I do think that if we-- we'll actually pass something here.
但我确实认为，如果我们——我们实际上会在这里通过一些东西。
And I believe it will be the bipartisan bill, the one in the middle.
我相信这将是两党共同通过的法案，即中间的法案。
Then the president will find a way to like it.
然后总统就会找到一种喜欢它的方式。
But we just can't wait and can't just give away our prerogative here.
但我们不能等待，也不能放弃我们在这里的特权。
And that's what we've been doing.
这就是我们一直在做的事情。
And it's just not right.
这是不对的。
Flake's vision is this-- if the Senate passes something with 60 votes, especially something like DACA, it'll force the president to like it.
弗莱克的愿景是——如果参议院以 60 票通过某项法案，尤其是像 DACA 这样的法案，它将迫使总统喜欢它。
This is what happened with the Russia sanctions bill.
这就是俄罗斯制裁法案所发生的情况。
The president didn't want to impose sanctions, at least the way Congress was demanding.
总统不想实施制裁，至少不想按照国会的要求实施制裁。
Then the Senate and the House voted overwhelmingly to do it.
随后，参议院和众议院以压倒性多数投票通过了这一决定。
And he signed it reluctantly.
而他也很不情愿地签了字。
He signed it, quote, for the sake of national unity.
引述，他是为了民族团结而签署的。
And once the president says yes, Jeff Flake thinks, even if a bill seems too liberal for the House, the House will just go along with the president because that's what they do.
杰夫·弗莱克认为，一旦总统同意，即使一项法案对众议院来说似乎过于自由，众议院也会支持总统，因为这就是他们所做的。
The key is in the end, what Trump could call an apple and an orange, and the House would buy it, I think.
关键是最后，特朗普可以称之为苹果和橙子，我认为众议院会购买它。
I would say that.
我会这么说。
So it just depends on him.
所以这只能取决于他了。
This is not Mitch McConnell's idea of how things should work.
这不是米奇·麦康奈尔关于事情应该如何运作的想法。
Remember that innocent phrase he uttered back in December?
还记得他十二月时说过的那句无辜的话吗？
An agreement that the administration is comfortable with.
政府对此感到满意的协议。
He'll only bring a bill to the floor that the White House supports.
他只会提出白宫支持的法案。
Blake said that was never part of the deal.
布莱克表示，这从来不是交易的一部分。
But he says that's generally been McConnell's approach with this president.
但他表示，这通常是麦康奈尔与这位总统的相处方式。
Only bring stuff to a vote that the president wants to sign.
只将总统想要签署的内容带到投票中。
January 19-- it's been one month since McConnell's commitment to bring DACA to the floor in January.
1 月 19 日——距离麦康奈尔承诺在 1 月份启动 DACA 计划已经过去一个月了。
And he shows no intention of bringing up DACA.
他也没有表现出提出 DACA 的打算。
In fact, he's made it clear he will not.
事实上，他已经明确表示他不会。
And the entire US government is about to come to a standstill over this disagreement.
而整个美国政府即将因这一分歧而陷入僵局。
The Democrats have watched Flake get burned by McConnell.
民主党人眼睁睁地看着弗莱克被麦康奈尔烧死。
And now they step forward with their own moves to try to force DACA to the floor.
现在，他们挺身而出，试图迫使 DACA 屈服。
Chuck Schumer goes to the White House and, over cheeseburgers, tries to cut a quick last minute deal with the president-- $25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA.
查克·舒默 (Chuck Schumer) 前往白宫，一边吃芝士汉堡，一边试图与总统在最后一刻快速达成一项协议——价值 250 亿美元修建隔离墙，以换取 DACA 计划。
A huge sum, more than the White House has ever publicly asked for.
这是一笔巨款，比白宫公开要求的还要多。
Trump rejects it.
特朗普拒绝了。
So Democrats set their sights on McConnell.
于是民主党人把目光投向了麦康奈尔。
They tell them to bring DACA to the floor or they'll shut the government down.
他们要求他们将 DACA 法案付诸表决，否则他们将关闭政府。
They won't vote for the spending bill that comes before the Senate that night.
他们不会投票支持当晚参议院提交的支出法案。
McConnell doesn't budge.
麦康奈尔没有让步。
You know how this ends.
你知道这会如何结束。
The government shuts down.
政府关门了。
But watching them try to avoid it at the last minute that night was kind of wild.
但那天晚上看着他们在最后一刻试图避免它有点疯狂。
I watched from the Senate press gallery.
我在参议院新闻席上观看了。
All the congressional reporters were pressed together on this balcony above the Senate floor.
所有的国会记者都挤在参议院楼层上方的阳台上。
They were telling me this is rare.
他们告诉我这种情况很少见。
You barely ever see this, watching them negotiate in public in front of you.
你几乎看不到这一点，看着他们在你面前公开谈判。
You're so close, you feel like you should be able to hear them.
你们离得太近了，你觉得你应该能听到他们的声音。
But you can't, so you watch closely.
但你不能，所以你要仔细观察。
The senators head to the floor for a vote around 10:15 that night.
当晚 10 点 15 分左右，参议员们前往会场进行投票。
And they stay out there till after 1:00 AM.
他们在那里呆到凌晨 1:00 以后。
The drama all revolves around McConnell and Schumer, who are refusing to talk to each other.
这部戏剧全部围绕麦康奈尔和舒默展开，他们拒绝互相交谈。
These two grown men, who have worked together for years, who are in charge of the Senate, sitting on opposite sides of the room not looking at each other, with all these other grown adults running around them just trying to get them to speak.
这两个已经一起工作多年的成年男子负责参议院，坐在房间的两侧，互不看对方，所有其他成年成年人围着他们跑来跑去，只是想让他们发言。
If it were a ballet, Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham were the principals, whirling and spinning all over the room between the Democrats and the Republicans, seemingly trying to cut a deal.
如果这是一部芭蕾舞剧，杰夫·弗莱克和林赛·格雷厄姆就是主角，他们在民主党和共和党之间旋转，似乎试图达成协议。
All the Democrat lady senators, at one point, were gabbing in the corner until Graham bursts in.
所有民主党女参议员一度都在角落里闲聊，直到格雷厄姆突然闯入。
Rubio, Cruz, a couple of the other guys, sat in a row in the back like kids smoking cigarettes on the bleachers too cool to engage, cracking each other up.
卢比奥、克鲁兹和其他几个人坐在后面一排，就像孩子们在露天看台上抽烟一样，太冷了，无法参与，互相开怀大笑。
At some point, for no obvious reason, House Republican Dana Rohrabacher wandered onto the floor and veered around, looking bedraggled.
在某个时刻，众议院共和党议员达纳·罗拉巴赫(Dana Rohrabacher)毫无明显原因地走到地板上，然后转过身来，看上去脏兮兮的。
But through all this, the two people with the power to stop a shutdown, McConnell and Schumer, they barely budged from their chairs.
但尽管经历了这一切，麦康奈尔和舒默这两个有权阻止政府关门的人却几乎没有从椅子上站起来。
Very sadly, we are on the precipice of a government shutdown.
非常可悲的是，我们正处于政府关闭的边缘。
Occasionally, they got up and scolded the other one without looking his way.
有时候，他们会站起来，不看对方一眼就骂他。
I think our friends on the other side took some bad advice.
我认为我们另一边的朋友接受了一些不好的建议。
Really bad advice.
真是糟糕的建议。
I'd hate to have to be trying to explain this, myself.
我不想自己尝试解释这一点。
They held all this hostage, over the completely unrelated issue of illegal immigration.
他们把这一切作为人质，以完全不相关的非法移民问题为由。
And it ends there.
一切就到此为止了。
Man The Senate stands adjourned until 12:00 noon today.
参议院休会至今天中午 12:00。
[GAVEL BANGING] Zoe Chace We meet back in Flake's office at 2:00 AM.
[木槌敲击] Zoe Chace 我们于凌晨 2:00 在 Flake 的办公室见面。
His staff is lying on the floor in the dark, watching movies.
他的工作人员在黑暗中躺在地板上看电影。
Flake's hair is spiked up on his head from running his hands through it for hours.
由于用手梳理了好几个小时，弗莱克的头发都竖了起来。
See you tomorrow, Flake yells as I leave.
明天见，我离开时弗莱克喊道。
He sleeps in his office.
他睡在他的办公室里。
Oh, man, the government is shut down, I say to Flake's scheduler on the way out.
哦，伙计，政府关门了，我在出去的时候对弗莱克的调度员说。
What a time to be alive, she says back.
她回答说，活着真是太美好了。
In the outside world, people are wondering what the shutdown means.
在外界，人们想知道关闭意味着什么。
Who is going to be furloughed?
谁将被休假？
What's this going to cost?
这要花多少钱？
Fox News alert, Uncle Sam turns out the lights.
福克斯新闻提醒，山姆大叔关灯了。
Now the blame game is in full swing as the government shuts down.
现在，随着政府关门，指责游戏已经全面展开。
Tension on Capitol Hill following the government shutdown.
政府关门后，国会山局势紧张。
This is utter madness!
这简直是疯狂！
Zoe Chace Meanwhile, inside Congress, it's a really different vibe.
Zoe Chace 与此同时，国会内部的氛围非常不同。
It's like a fun sleepover.
这就像一次有趣的过夜。
I pop in on Colorado Senator Michael Bennet.
我顺便拜访了科罗拉多州参议员迈克尔·贝内特。
And he's hanging around in his socks.
他还穿着袜子闲逛。
Senators are posting sunset pictures from the Capitol to Twitter.
参议员们将国会大厦的日落照片发布到推特上。
Reporters are tweeting out which Chinese place lunch is from.
记者们在推特上发布了午餐来自哪家中国餐厅的信息。
Graham and Flake out to get fajitas.
格雷厄姆和弗莱克出去买墨西哥卷饼。
A bipartisan group of senators comes together to end the shutdown.
两党参议员齐聚一堂，结束政府关门。
They meet in Susan Collins' office.
他们在苏珊·柯林斯的办公室见面。
For the first time in forever, it's like true bipartisan deal making over bagels and coffee.
有史以来第一次，这就像真正的两党就百吉饼和咖啡达成的协议。
It's exciting.
这很令人兴奋。
Susan Collins institutes this beaded talking stick.
苏珊·柯林斯 (Susan Collins) 发明了这款串珠说话棒。
You can't talk in their meetings unless you're holding it.
除非你主持会议，否则你不能在他们的会议上讲话。
I got it first to talk about what I was proposing the group accept.
我首先谈谈我建议小组接受的内容。
And then they handed it around till Lamar Alexander got it.
然后他们把它分发出去，直到拉马尔·亚历山大拿到为止。
22 people in there, nine Republicans, 13 Democrats, everyone in a circle.
那里有 22 个人，9 名共和党人，13 名民主党人，大家围成一圈。
Alexander's talking about Senate process.
亚历山大正在谈论参议院的程序。
And Mark Warner across the room interrupted him and then interrupted him again.
房间另一边的马克·华纳打断了他的话，然后又打断了他。
And Lamar, mild mannered Lamar, takes the stick like a javelin, and threw it at--
拉马尔，举止温和的拉马尔，像标枪一样拿起棍子，然后把它扔向——
Oh my God.
天哪。
Jeff Flake Lamar ducked.
杰夫·弗莱克·拉马尔躲开了。
It hit the wall.
它撞到了墙上。
You could've heard a pin drop.
你可能会听到一根针掉落的声音。
It was the quietest-- just complete and utter shock.
这是最安静的——完全是彻底的震惊。
Anyway so, and then the meeting went on for the rest of time.
无论如何，会议继续进行剩下的时间。
Then today--
那么今天——
Lamar Alexander, channeling the frustration of the entire country over his own powerlessness in that moment.
拉马尔·亚历山大表达了整个国家对他当时的无能为力的挫败感。
Flake goes to the floor of the Senate and makes a speech trying to rally other senators around his cause, pitching his dream that they don't have to cater to the president.
弗莱克在参议院发表演讲，试图团结其他参议员支持他的事业，并提出他的梦想，即他们不必迎合总统。
They can pass their own bill and nail the White House down that way.
他们可以通过自己的法案并以此方式锁定白宫。
The best way out of this is for the Senate to be the Senate again.
解决这个问题的最好办法就是让参议院再次成为参议院。
We are an equal branch of government.
我们是平等的政府部门。
And to say that we won't move on a particular topic until we have agreement from the president when we've waited for weeks and weeks and weeks for that kind of agreement or that kind of nod or signal, we can't wait anymore.
并说，在我们等待总统同意之前，我们不会就某个特定话题采取行动，而我们已经等待了数周、数周、数周才获得这种协议或那种点头或信号，我们不能再等了。
Let's more jealously guard our prerogative here as legislators.
让我们更加谨慎地捍卫我们作为立法者的特权。
And let's bring an immigration bill to the floor.
让我们将移民法案提交审议。
No one seems to be signing up.
似乎没有人报名。
That's Flake's issue in general.
这就是弗莱克的总体问题。
He seems to talk to an invisible group of Republicans that no one else can see, Republicans who agree with him.
他似乎在与一群看不见的共和党人交谈，这些人谁也看不到，他们同意他的观点。
As you know, the shutdown ends.
如您所知，关闭结束。
The final deal is this-- three more weeks of government funding and an agreed upon time for a DACA deal to come to the floor.
最终的协议是这样的——再提供三周的政府资助，并商定 DACA 协议的落实时间。
That's exactly where they were a month ago.
这正是他们一个月前所在的地方。
McConnell took it away.
麦康奈尔把它拿走了。
McConnell gave it back.
麦康奈尔把它还给了我。
As you also know, DACA has not passed.
如您所知，DACA 尚未通过。
There is no DACA deal.
没有 DACA 协议。
The one Flake supported, the bipartisan talking stick deal, the Trump administration issued an apocalyptic statement tearing it to shreds.
弗莱克支持的两党谈话棒协议，特朗普政府发表了一份世界末日声明，将其撕成碎片。
None of the proposals got enough votes to pass.
所有提案均未获得足够票数通过。
It's widely acknowledged they'll pass no more bills this year.
人们普遍承认他们今年不会再通过任何法案。
No more major ones, at least.
至少不再有主要的事情了。
Jeff Flake failed.
杰夫·弗莱克失败了。
For the last few years, Jeff Flake has done this weird, very nonpolitical thing.
在过去的几年里，杰夫·弗莱克做了一件奇怪的、非常非政治的事情。
He goes to a remote Pacific island and lives there for a week to see if he can survive on his own.
他前往太平洋的一个偏远岛屿，在那里住了一周，看看自己能否独立生存。
He grew up obsessed with survival stories-- his favorite guilty pleasure, he says-- Shackleton, Robinson Crusoe, anyone who was basically in a sailboat, capsized, ended up on a life raft, and got to an island.
他从小就沉迷于生存故事——他说，这是他最喜欢的罪恶感——沙克尔顿、鲁滨逊漂流记，任何一个基本上在帆船上翻船、最后登上救生筏、到达一座岛屿的人。
He wanted to know, if I were marooned on an island, could I survive?
他想知道，如果我被困在一个岛上，我能活下来吗？
He first tried it back in 2009.
他第一次尝试是在 2009 年。
He went somewhere near the Marshall Islands for a week, lived on spearfishing and coconuts.
他去了马绍尔群岛附近的某个地方一周，靠鱼叉捕鱼和椰子为生。
He got lonely.
他变得孤独了。
So he wrote numbers with a Sharpie on the hermit crab shells so he could keep track of them.
因此，他用记号笔在寄居蟹壳上写下了数字，这样他就可以跟踪它们。
See which ones were friendly.
看看哪些人是友好的。
He liked it so much he went to another island a few years later with two of his kids and then the next year with a Democratic senator to make a point about bipartisanship.
他非常喜欢它，几年后，他和两个孩子去了另一个岛，第二年又和一位民主党参议员一起去表达两党合作的观点。
The Discovery Channel filmed it.
探索频道拍摄了它。
Called it Rival Survival.
称之为“竞争生存”。
The barrel full of life-saving water lies nearby.
装满救生水的桶就在附近。
But unless they can build a fire to purify the contaminated water, they're at risk of acute dehydration.
但除非他们能够生火来净化受污染的水，否则他们将面临严重脱水的风险。
He's a proud Democrat.
他是一名自豪的民主党人。
I'm a proud Republican.
我是一名自豪的共和党人。
But I'd gladly vote for any of Martin's bills if he could just start a fire.
但如果马丁能点火的话，我很乐意投票支持他的任何法案。
[SQUEAKING] Aw, come on.
[吱吱声] 噢，来吧。
Come on.
快点。
Come on.
快点。
Come on.
快点。
Flame, flame.
火焰，火焰。
Come on.
快点。
Flake and Heinrich never make a fire on the island.
弗莱克和海因里希从未在岛上生火。
They could have just brought matches with them.
他们本可以随身携带火柴。
But they were caught in a reality TV show game where the rules were arbitrary and rigged against doing the obvious, simple thing.
但他们陷入了电视真人秀游戏中，规则是任意的，并且被操纵，不利于做明显、简单的事情。
You see where I'm going with this.
你知道我要说什么了。
It takes a very particular kind of person to put up with rules like that and maintain a go-get-em, can-do attitude, and come back again and again.
需要一种非常特殊的人才能忍受这样的规则，保持积极进取、能做的态度，并一次又一次地回来。
And Jeff Flake is still at it.
杰夫·弗莱克仍在努力。
Last I saw him, he was bringing a new DACA proposal to the floor.
我上次见到他时，他正在提出一项新的 DACA 提案。
He says he's going to keep bringing it up until it passes.
他说他将继续提出这个问题，直到它过去为止。
Do you think other senators think it's silly that you're out there still talking about DACA?
您是否认为其他参议员认为您仍在谈论 DACA 是愚蠢的？
Some of them, yeah, probably.
是的，可能是其中一些。
Move on, Flake.
继续前进，弗莱克。
No, still got time.
不，还有时间。
Still got to do it.
还是得做。
I'm excited.
我很兴奋。
This is going to do it.
这将做到这一点。
This speech is going to change minds.
这篇演讲将改变人们的想法。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
I can't tell if you think that or not.
我不知道你是否这么认为。
I really don't know.
我真的不知道。
I see that it's working.
我看到它正在发挥作用。
No, I mean, what choice do you have?
不，我是说，你有什么选择？
You move ahead.
你继续前进。
Maybe he's acting, strategically playing the part of the optimist, pretending things will turn around next week.
也许他是在演戏，策略性地扮演乐观者的角色，假装事情下周就会出现好转。
Maybe he has faith that things will truly turn around next week.
也许他相信下周事情就会真正好转。
After all this time, I still find it hard to tell.
过了这么久，我仍然觉得很难说。
There's a little Don Quixote in him for sure.
他身上肯定有一点堂吉诃德的影子。
But there's also a long game that he's playing.
但他还有一场漫长的比赛要打。
And I'm on to it now.
我现在就开始做。
He's trying to force his view of governance into being by constantly acting as if things are different from this political reality, that how it is now doesn't have to be the way it always is.
他试图通过不断的表现来强行推行他的治理观，就好像事情与政治现实不同，现在的情况不一定是过去的样子。
Zoe Chace is one of the producers of our program.
佐伊·查斯是我们节目的制作人之一。
Our program is produced today by Ben Calhoun and our senior producer, Brian Reed.
今天我们的节目由本·卡尔霍恩和我们的高级制片人布莱恩·里德制作。
Our staff includes Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Whitney Dangerfield, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Seth Lind, Alvin Melathe, Nadia Reiman, Lilly Sullivan.
我们的员工包括 Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Whitney Dangerfield、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joffe-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Seth Lind、Alvin Melathe、Nadia Reiman、Lilly Sullivan。
Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
克里斯托弗·斯维塔拉、马特·蒂尔尼、朱莉·惠特克和黛安·吴。
Our managing editor is Susan Burton.
我们的总编辑是苏珊·伯顿。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's cofounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
I caught him two-timing me with another radio host, Kai Ryssdal, the host of Marketplace.
我发现他两次与另一位电台主持人凯·里斯达尔（Kai Ryssdal）（《市场》节目的主持人）对我进行约会。
I finally confronted Torey about it and he said no, no, no, they're just good friends.
我最终向托里提出了这件事，他说不，不，不，他们只是好朋友。
He and I are close.
他和我很亲近。
We talk about tax cuts.
我们谈论减税。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。