638: Rom-Com - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass It's This American Life from WBEZ Chicago, I'm Ira Glass.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 这就是 WBEZ 芝加哥的美国生活，我是 Ira Glass。
Valentine's Day is around the corner, and here at the show we were talking about romantic comedies and how they don't get a lot of respect.
情人节即将到来，在节目中我们谈论浪漫喜剧以及它们如何没有得到太多尊重。
I think it's maybe because of the bad ones.
我想这可能是因为那些不好的原因。
Every part of them just feels too obvious, you know?
他们的每个部分都感觉太明显了，你知道吗？
The couple meets, but they hate each other at first.
夫妻俩相遇了，但一开始他们互相憎恨。
They go through some things that make them, you know, learn some important lesson about themselves.
你知道，他们经历的一些事情让他们学到了一些关于自己的重要教训。
You know from the very beginning they're going to end up together.
你从一开始就知道他们最终会在一起。
And then, no surprise, they do.
然后，毫不奇怪，他们确实这么做了。
When it's not done well, it's all too obvious and tired, and you can feel the gears working in the thing.
当它做得不好时，一切都太明显和累了，你可以感觉到齿轮在里面工作。
One of the producers on our show, Neil, he wholeheartedly really loves romantic comedies, has favorites that he's watched over and over dozens of times.
我们节目的制片人之一尼尔，他全心全意地热爱浪漫喜剧，他最喜欢的喜剧已经看了几十遍。
He once collaborated with the producer of Sleepless in Seattle on a rom-com script that never got made.
他曾与《西雅图不眠夜》的制片人合作编写了一部浪漫喜剧剧本，但从未制作完成。
He has all kinds of thoughts about them.
他对他们有各种各样的想法。
And he realized this thing about rom-coms and what's so satisfying about the good ones that I really think is true.
他意识到浪漫喜剧的这一点，以及我认为真实的好喜剧的令人满足之处。
I used to say that it was just watching just the close-ups of two beautiful people being funny and clever and witty to each other.
我曾经说过，这只是看两个美丽的人彼此有趣、聪明、机智的特写镜头。
Yeah.
是的。
Neil Drumming Being their sort of best selves, or sometimes worst selves, but then eventually their best selves.
尼尔·鼓明（Neil Drumming）是他们最好的自己，有时是最差的自己，但最终还是最好的自己。
And that was kind of enough for me.
这对我来说已经足够了。
Now, why shut me out?
现在，为什么要把我拒之门外？
You know what happens to people who shut everybody out?
你知道那些把所有人拒之门外的人会怎样吗？
No, they fester.
不，它们会溃烂。
Ira Glass That's Meg Ryan and Kevin Kline with a fake French accent in the movie French Kiss.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 这是电影《法式之吻》中的梅格·瑞安 (Meg Ryan) 和凯文·克莱恩 (Kevin Kline)，他们操着假法国口音。
Fester.
溃烂。
I am festering.
我正在溃烂。
Meg Ryan Inside, fester and rot.
梅格·瑞安 里面，溃烂腐烂。
I've seen it happen.
我已经看到它发生了。
You'll become one of those hunched-back lonely old men sitting in the corner of a crowded cafe mumbling to yourself, (FRENCH ACCENT) my ass is twitching.
你会成为那些驼背孤独的老人之一，坐在拥挤的咖啡馆的角落里，自言自语，（法国口音）我的屁股在抽搐。
You people make my ass twitch.
你们这些人让我屁股抽搐。
If there's there's a simple thing that resonates for me, it's that, in the best of these movies, you get to see two people get along in a way that is great.
如果有一件简单的事情引起了我的共鸣，那就是，在这些最好的电影中，你可以看到两个人以一种很棒的方式相处。
It's just like nice to see that part of people.
很高兴看到这部分人。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
And I think, if you're projecting at all, it's the idea that you can be that connected to someone or receive someone that well.
我认为，如果你有投射的话，那就是你可以与某人建立联系或很好地接待某人。
When you see it, you're like, oh, yeah, that would be nice.
当你看到它时，你会说，哦，是的，那太好了。
That's why I like the ones where people spend a lot of time together.
这就是为什么我喜欢人们花很多时间在一起的人。
That's key for Neil.
这对尼尔来说是关键。
In Neil's personal ranking of these films, which has the 2009 film The Ugly Truth at the very, very bottom, the three rom-coms that sit at the very top like the tousled hair above Hugh Grant's head, are French Kiss, Two Weeks Notice, which is a real estate rom-com, and his very favorite-- lots of people's favorite-- When Harry Met Sally.
在尼尔对这些电影的个人排名中，2009年的电影《丑陋的真相》排在最后，排在最前面的三部浪漫喜剧就像休·格兰特头上凌乱的头发一样，分别是《法式热吻》、《两周通知》，这是一部房地产浪漫喜剧，还有他最喜欢的——很多人最喜欢的——《当哈利遇见莎莉》。
And they're all at the top of the list for this very reason, because of how much time the couple spends together talking.
正是因为这个原因，他们都名列榜首，因为这对夫妇花了很多时间在一起聊天。
Take When Harry Met Sally.
以《当哈利遇见莎莉》为例。
The thing that I like about it is that at least you get a vision of what their relationship actually is, because they spend 12 years together before they finally get together.
我喜欢它的一点是，至少你可以了解他们的关系到底是什么样的，因为他们在一起度过了 12 年才最终走到一起。
So you get to see real fights.
所以你可以看到真正的战斗。
You get to see their relationship grow.
你会看到他们的关系不断发展。
You get to see their personalities clash.
你会看到他们的个性冲突。
And so they actually have a chance to fall in love by talking to each other, as opposed to, in romantic comedies now, or like where there's the montage and music playing and then you're just supposed to come out of that thinking they're in love, they actually spend time with each other.
所以他们实际上有机会通过互相交谈来坠入爱河，而不是现在的浪漫喜剧，或者像蒙太奇和音乐播放的地方，然后你应该从那种想法中走出来，认为他们相爱，他们实际上花时间在一起。
Like there's a sequence of scenes in When Harry Met Sally where they're just getting along, and they're just talking on the phone.
就像《当哈利遇见莎莉》中的一系列场景，他们只是相处得很融洽，他们只是在打电话。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Got it.
知道了。
Now, you're telling me you would be happier with Victor Laszlow than with Humphrey Bogart?
现在，你告诉我你和维克多·拉斯洛在一起比和亨弗莱·鲍嘉在一起更开心？
When did I say that?
我什么时候这么说过了？
Billy Crystal When we drove to New York.
比利·克里斯托 当我们开车去纽约时。
I never said that.
我从来没有这么说过。
I would never have said that.
我绝不会这么说。
All right, fine.
好吧，好吧。
Have it your way.
随心所欲。
Have you been sleeping?
你睡觉了吗？
Why?
为什么？
Billy Crystal Because I haven't been sleeping.
比利·克里斯托 因为我还没睡。
I think if I was dating someone who hated When Harry Met Sally, I don't know that I could date them.
我想如果我正在和一个讨厌《当哈利遇见莎莉》的人约会，我不知道我能和他们约会。
Like, [LAUGHS] I don't know that I could.
就像，[笑]我不知道我可以。
If you're not interested in the relationship between Harry and Sally, I don't really understand what kind of person you are.
如果你对哈利和莎莉之间的关系不感兴趣，我真的不明白你是什么样的人。
[LAUGHS] I don't know.
[笑]我不知道。
Wow.
哇。
Neil Drumming That's not to say that you're a bad person, it just means I don't think I understand you.
尼尔·鼓明：这并不是说你是一个坏人，这只是意味着我认为我不理解你。
OK.
好的。
Romantic comedies are contrived.
浪漫喜剧是做作的。
The people are way more clever and way better looking than in real life.
人们比现实生活中更聪明，也更漂亮。
The stories are full of things that would be ridiculous and sometimes maybe even on the stalker-y side if they happened to any of us.
这些故事充满了荒谬的事情，如果发生在我们任何人身上，有时甚至可能是跟踪狂。
But this totally artificial form, when it works, reminds you of what it feels like to be in love and of somebody who wants to listen to what you say and who says things that you want to listen to.
但这种完全人为的形式，当它发挥作用时，会让你想起恋爱的感觉，想起有人想听你说的话，也有人说你想听的话。
And so for this Valentine's Day, we're devoting our show to rom-coms.
因此，在这个情人节，我们将把我们的节目奉献给浪漫喜剧。
In each of our acts today, we found a story that reminds us of some aspect of a movie rom-com.
在今天的每一场表演中，我们都发现了一个让我们想起电影浪漫喜剧某些方面的故事。
And yes, we did go on a search for stories of people running, sprinting down the street in real life in an urgent rush to tell someone that they love them.
是的，我们确实在寻找现实生活中人们在街上奔跑、冲刺的故事，急于告诉某人他们爱他们。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Meet Cute.
第一幕，遇见可爱。
So the first thing a rom-com needs is for the couple to meet in an appealing way, the meet cute.
所以浪漫喜剧首先需要的就是夫妻俩以一种吸引人的方式见面，而且见面很可爱。
The meet cute is supposed to make you feel like no matter what happens, these two people should be together.
可爱的相遇应该让你觉得无论发生什么，这两个人都应该在一起。
There are so many ways to do this.
有很多方法可以做到这一点。
In The Wedding Planner, Matthew McConaughey saves Jennifer Lopez from a runaway dumpster that is rolling down the street.
在《婚礼策划师》中，马修·麦康纳从街上滚动的失控垃圾箱中救出了詹妮弗·洛佩兹。
In Pretty Woman, Richard Gere gets lost in a very fancy car and Julia Roberts gives him directions.
在《风月俏佳人》中，理查·基尔在一辆非常豪华的汽车中迷路了，朱莉娅·罗伯茨为他指路。
Bringing Up Baby, Katherine Hepburn picks up Cary Grant's golf ball on a golf course.
抚养婴儿时，凯瑟琳·赫本在高尔夫球场捡起加里·格兰特的高尔夫球。
In Reality Bites, Winona Ryder throws her cigarette into Ben Stiller's car.
在《现实叮咬》中，薇诺娜·瑞德把香烟扔进了本·斯蒂勒的车里。
And Neil's favorite, When Harry Met Sally--
还有尼尔最喜欢的《当哈利遇见莎莉》——
The thing about When Harry Met Sally is it has an extended meet cute, which I like.
《当哈利遇到莎莉》的特点是它有一个延长的可爱的相遇，我喜欢这一点。
They take a road trip from Chicago to New York, and so they're kind of meeting for several hours.
他们从芝加哥开车去纽约，所以他们会面几个小时。
And from the very beginning, it's contentious because Harry has all these theories about relationships that she finds like crazy and off-putting.
从一开始，这就是有争议的，因为哈利有所有这些关于人际关系的理论，她觉得这些理论疯狂而令人反感。
What I'm saying is-- and this is not a come on in any way, shape, or form-- is that men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way.
我想说的是——这不是任何形式的挑衅——男人和女人不能成为朋友，因为性的部分总是会成为阻碍。
That's not true.
那不是真的。
I have a number of men friends and there is no sex involved.
我有很多男性朋友，但不涉及性行为。
You only think you do.
你只是认为你这样做。
Meg Ryan You're saying I'm having sex with these men without my knowledge?
梅格·瑞恩（Meg Ryan）你是说我在我不知情的情况下与这些男人发生性关系？
No, what I'm saying is they all want to have sex with you.
不，我是说他们都想和你发生性关系。
I think it sets up the chemistry.
我认为它建立了化学反应。
Like it sets up that there is something about them that you want to root for.
就像它表明你想要支持他们身上的某些东西一样。
Meet cutes do happen in real life, but for this first story in today's show, we have a piece of fiction, a story where the meet cute plays an important role in the story as a turning point for one of the characters.
现实生活中确实会发生可爱的事，但对于今天节目中的第一个故事，我们有一个虚构的故事，一个故事中，可爱的人在故事中扮演着重要的角色，作为其中一个角色的转折点。
The story's by Simon Rich.
故事由西蒙·里奇创作。
The actor Daniel Radcliffe read it for us.
演员丹尼尔·雷德克利夫为我们朗读了这本书。
"I don't understand," Professor Xander Kaplan said while his girlfriend sobbed into a pillow.
“我不明白，”桑德·卡普兰教授说，而他的女朋友在枕头上抽泣着。
"I thought you liked tulips." "I do," she said.
“我以为你喜欢郁金香。” “我愿意，”她说。
"It's just-- you get them for me every year.
“只是——你每年都会给我买。
It's starting to get a little impersonal.
它开始变得有点没有人情味了。
I mean, this time, you didn't even include a card."
我的意思是，这一次，你甚至没有附上卡片。”
Xander winced.
桑德皱起了眉头。
Her reasoning was sound.
她的推理是合理的。
"I apologize," he said.
“我道歉，”他说。
"I obviously made an error in judgment." He tried to take her hand, but she pulled it out of reach.
“我显然判断失误了。”他试图握住她的手，但她却把它拉到够不到的地方。
"Do you remember what I did for your birthday?" She said, "I got you that new Bunsen burner you wanted.
“你还记得我为你生日做了什么吗？”她说：“我给你买了你想要的新本生灯。
I knit you a pair of wool socks so your feet wouldn't get cold in the lab.
我给你织了一双羊毛袜，这样你的脚在实验室就不会冷了。
You never make that kind of effort for me.
你从来没有为我做出过那样的努力。
All you do is think about yourself."
你所做的就是为自己着想。”
"That's incorrect," Xander said.
“这是不正确的，”桑德说。
"What about Emiladium?
“那艾米拉迪亚呢？
It took me nine months to synthesize that element and I named it after you." "You were going to synthesize that element anyway," Emily said.
我花了九个月的时间才合成了这个元素，并以你的名字命名了它。” “无论如何你都会合成那个元素，”艾米丽说。
"You needed it for your secret project, that silver orb thing in your lab.
“你的秘密项目需要它，实验室里那个银色的球体。
Emiladium wasn't about me, it was about you.
Emiladium 不是关于我的，而是关于你的。
I mean, for god sakes, you won't even tell me what it does."
我的意思是，看在上帝的份上，你甚至不告诉我它是做什么的。”
Xander sighed.
桑德叹了口气。
"Is there anything I can do to make it up to you?" Emily blinked back some tears.
“有什么我可以做的来弥补你吗？”艾米丽眨了眨眼睛，忍住了眼泪。
"I don't know.
“我不知道。
I mean, it's not like you can just go back in time and get me a different present." Xander's expression brightened.
我的意思是，你不可能回到过去给我买一份不同的礼物。” Xander的表情变得明亮起来。
"Wait there," he said.
“在那儿等着，”他说。
"I'll be right back."
“我马上回来。”
Xander hurried down the hall, crept into his laboratory, and locked the door behind him.
桑德匆匆穿过大厅，蹑手蹑脚地走进他的实验室，并锁上了身后的门。
His time machine was right where he had left it.
他的时间机器就在他离开的地方。
He climbed inside the silver orb and flicked on the power switch.
他爬进银色球体，打开电源开关。
His plan was simple, travel back in time to this morning, find a new gift for Emily, and bring it to the present.
他的计划很简单，穿越回到今天早上，为艾米丽找到一件新礼物，并带到现在。
But there were a couple of risks.
但也存在一些风险。
There was a chance, for example, that using the machine would cause the universe to explode.
例如，使用这台机器有可能导致宇宙爆炸。
He'd never tested the thing out before.
他以前从未测试过这个东西。
There was also no guarantee that he would be able to find a good present.
也不能保证他能找到一份好礼物。
He only had enough Emiladium to fuel five minutes of time travel.
他的艾米拉迪亚只够支撑五分钟的时间旅行。
That didn't give him a lot of wiggle room.
这并没有给他太多回旋的余地。
Wherever he went, he would have to shop efficiently.
无论他走到哪里，他都必须高效地购物。
Xander was usually a pretty good problem solver.
Xander 通常是一个非常好的问题解决者。
He had, for example, invented a time machine.
例如，他发明了一台时间机器。
But quantum physics and nuclear hydraulics were trivial compared to the rigors of gift shopping.
但与购物的严酷相比，量子物理学和核水力学就显得微不足道了。
He massaged his temples, trying to remember if Emily had dropped any hints lately.
他按摩太阳穴，试图回忆艾米丽最近是否有什么暗示。
He vaguely recalled her staring at a vase in Crate & Barrel, but that place was full of vases.
他依稀记得她盯着木桶里的一个花瓶，但那个地方到处都是花瓶。
There was no way he'd be able to pick out the right one.
他不可能挑选出正确的人。
He was trying to remember the name of her favorite perfume when a thought entered his head.
当他试图记住她最喜欢的香水的名字时，一个念头进入了他的脑海。
Maybe he was thinking too small.
也许他想得太小了。
His machine could transport him to any time and place in human history.
他的机器可以把他带到人类历史上的任何时间和地点。
Why go back a few hours when he could go back a few centuries?
既然他可以回到几个世纪，为什么还要回到几个小时呢？
He knew Emily loved Shakespeare.
他知道艾米丽喜欢莎士比亚。
She'd written her senior thesis on one of his tragedies.
她的毕业论文是关于他的一场悲剧的。
Why not travel back to the Globe Theater and swipe her an original script?
为什么不回到环球剧场，给她刷一个原创剧本呢？
It wouldn't be too difficult, he reasoned.
他推断，这不会太困难。
All he'd have to do is dash back backstage and grab one.
他所要做的就是冲回后台拿一张。
It would be the most impressive gift she'd ever received in her life.
这将是她一生中收到的最令人印象深刻的礼物。
But which tragedy had Emily written her thesis about?
但艾米丽的论文写的是哪场悲剧呢？
He knew it was one of the king ones, Richard the something or Charles the something, but there are a bunch of those.
他知道这是国王之一，理查德什么的或者查尔斯什么的，但这样的人有很多。
What if he got it wrong?
如果他听错了怎么办？
It was too risky.
太冒险了。
There was always jewelry.
总是有珠宝。
He knew the general construction dates for King Tut's tomb.
他知道图坦卡蒙陵墓的大致建造日期。
He could park in front of the pyramid, run inside, and snatch a jade stone.
他可以把车停在金字塔前，跑进去，抢走一块玉石。
He entered the coordinates and was about to push the lever when he started to second guess himself again.
进入坐标，正要按下操纵杆，他又开始怀疑自己了。
Buying women jewelry was always chancy.
购买女性珠宝总是很冒险。
Emily had very specific tastes, and what if she didn't like jade?
艾米丽的品味非常独特，如果她不喜欢玉石怎么办？
It wasn't like he'd be able to go back and return it.
他不可能回去归还它。
He thought back to the night they met.
他回想起他们相遇的那天晚上。
He was finishing his PhD at the time, and his lab had closed early because of Easter.
当时他正在完成博士学位，他的实验室由于复活节而提前关闭。
He'd stuffed his papers into his briefcase and shuffled through the rain to the 116th Street Station.
他把文件塞进公文包，冒着雨拖着脚步来到第 116 街车站。
It was 4:05 AM and the platform was deserted, except for Emily.
当时是凌晨 4 点 05 分，站台上空无一人，除了艾米丽。
It had been several days since Xander's last conversation with a human, and when she started to speak to him, he felt the stirrings of a panic attack.
距离 Xander 上次与人类交谈已经过去好几天了，当她开始和他说话时，他感到一阵惊恐发作。
But Emily's friendly smile managed, somehow, to put him at ease.
但艾米丽友好的微笑不知何故让他放松了。
She was awfully cheerful, given her circumstances.
考虑到她的处境，她非常高兴。
Her MetroCard had expired, she said, and the machines were broken.
她说，她的地铁卡已经过期，机器也坏了。
She'd been stranded for over 20 minutes.
她已经被困了20多分钟。
Would he be willing to sell her a ride?
他愿意卖给她一程吗？
Xander nodded and watched as she rooted around in her purse for some cash to pay him back.
Xander点点头，看着她在钱包里翻找一些现金来还他。
It was a moment or two before it occurred to him that she had given him the chance to be gallant.
过了一会儿，他才意识到她给了他表现英勇的机会。
"You-- you don't have to reimburse me," he said.
“你——你不必偿还我的费用，”他说。
"I'll swipe you in for free." She thanked him enthusiastically and then, shockingly, wrapped her arms around his torso.
“我免费帮你刷进去。”她热情地感谢他，然后，令人震惊的是，她用双臂搂住了他的躯干。
Xander wasn't used to physical contact.
Xander不习惯身体接触。
And although the hug was brief, it caused his entire body to tingle from head to toe.
而这个拥抱虽然短暂，却让他整个人从头到脚都酥麻起来。
It was a startling sensation, like walking through an electrically-charged field.
这是一种令人震惊的感觉，就像走过一个带电的场一样。
He still felt that way whenever she touched him.
每当她碰触他时，他仍然有这种感觉。
Xander was an atheist and believed fiercely in random causality.
桑德是一位无神论者，坚信随机因果关系。
But by the end of their shared subway ride, he was sure he'd experienced a miracle.
但当他们共同乘坐地铁结束时，他确信自己经历了一个奇迹。
This wonderful person had shown up out of nowhere and given him a chance at love.
这个奇妙的人突然出现，给了他爱情的机会。
And in return, he'd given her three years of misery.
而作为回报，他却给了她三年的痛苦。
He thought about all of his Saturday nights at the lab, ignoring her calls, making excuses.
他想起了周六晚上在实验室的所有经历，无视她的电话，找借口。
He thought about the way she cried when he handed her the tulips.
他想起当他把郁金香递给她时，她哭的样子。
How could he make up for three years of romantic ineptitude with a single birthday present?
三年的浪漫无能，怎么可能用一份生日礼物来弥补呢？
He closed his eyes and concentrated.
他闭上眼睛，集中注意力。
There had to be a right answer.
必须有一个正确的答案。
Cleopatra's crown.
克利奥帕特拉的王冠。
Joan of Arc's sword.
圣女贞德的剑。
A baby dinosaur.
一只小恐龙。
What was the greatest thing he could give her, the very best present in the world?
他能给她的最伟大的东西、世界上最好的礼物是什么？
It was the hardest problem he'd ever attempted to solve.
这是他曾经尝试解决的最难的问题。
But then, as always, the solution came to him.
但随后，一如既往，他找到了解决方案。
Xander parked his time machine by the 116th Street Station and dashed into the subway.
Xander 将他的时间机器停在 116 街车站旁，冲进地铁。
It was 3:45 AM a little over three years in the past.
那是三年多前的凌晨 3 点 45 分。
Emily was standing by the turnstile, swiping and re-swiping her expired MetroCard.
艾米莉站在十字转门旁，刷了又刷她过期的地铁卡。
He took a deep breath and approached her.
他深吸一口气，走近她。
"Let me guess," he said.
“让我猜猜，”他说。
"Expired MetroCard?" She chuckled.
“地铁卡过期了？”她咯咯笑起来。
"How'd you know?" "I had a hunch.
“你怎么知道？” “我有一种预感。
Come on, I'll swipe you through." "Oh, that's OK," she said.
来吧，我给你扫过去。” “哦，没关系，”她说。
"I'll just go to the machine upstairs or--" "The machines are all broken," he said.
“我就去楼上的机器那里，或者——” “机器都坏了，”他说。
"You'd better catch this one," he said.
“你最好抓住这个，”他说。
"The next one won't come for another 20 minutes."
“下一个要等二十分钟才会来。”
Before she could protest, he took out his MetroCard and swiped her through the turnstile.
还没等她抗议，他就拿出了地铁卡，带她刷过闸门。
She smiled back at him with confusion.
她困惑地对他微笑。
"Aren't you coming?" she asked as the train pulled into the station.
“你不来吗？”火车进站时她问道。
Xander averted his eyes.
桑德移开目光。
He worried that if he looked at her, he would start to cry.
他担心如果他看到她，他会哭起来。
"I need to take a different train," he said.
“我需要乘坐另一趟火车，”他说。
"Well, at least let me pay you for the--" "That's all right," he said, his voice breaking.
“好吧，至少让我付钱给你——” “没关系，”他声音沙哑地说。
"It's a present."
“这是一份礼物。”
He was about to turn away when she leaned over the turnstile and hugged him.
他正要转身离开，她靠在旋转门上，拥抱了他。
It was exactly as he remembered it, her long brown hair brushing softly against his neck, his entire body tingling with warmth.
和他记忆中的一模一样，她棕色的长发轻轻拂过他的脖颈，让他浑身一阵温暖。
"Thanks," she said.
“谢谢，”她说。
He tried to say, you're welcome, but the words got caught in his throat.
他想说，不客气，但话却被卡在了喉咙里。
He waved goodbye as she boarded the train, then he marched out of the station alone.
当她登上火车时，他挥手告别，然后独自走出车站。
Daniel Radcliffe reading the short story, "The Present" by Simon Rich from Rich's book, The Last Girlfriend on Earth.
丹尼尔·雷德克利夫正在阅读西蒙·里奇的短篇小说《现在》，摘自里奇的书《地球上最后一个女朋友》。
Radcliffe is also the star of Simon Rich's new TV show, Miracle Workers, which will be out soon on TBS.
雷德克利夫还是西蒙·里奇 (Simon Rich) 的新电视节目《奇迹缔造者》(Miracle Workers) 的明星，该节目即将在 TBS 播出。
And he stars in a new film, Beast of Burden that comes out this month.
他还主演了本月上映的新电影《Beast of Burden》。
The main body of most romantic comedies is there's something or a group of things keeping them apart.
大多数浪漫喜剧的主体是有一些东西或一组东西将它们分开。
There's always obstacles that are keeping these two people who are fated to be together apart.
总有一些障碍让这两个注定要在一起的人分开。
The obstacles can be big or little.
障碍可大可小。
Tom Hanks isn't over his dead ex-wife in Sleepless in Seattle.
汤姆·汉克斯在《西雅图不眠夜》中并没有忘记他死去的前妻。
In Notting Hill, a guy falls in love with somebody who's too famous for him.
在诺丁山，一个男人爱上了一个比他更有名的人。
In Bridget Jones, she's going after the wrong guy, which, of course, is Pride and Prejudice, and, I don't know, so many films.
在《布里奇特·琼斯》中，她追错了人，当然，就是《傲慢与偏见》，还有很多电影，我不知道。
It's one of the most common.
这是最常见的一种。
In When Harry Met Sally, they each are involved with other people for a lot of the film.
在《当哈利遇见莎莉》中，他们在影片的大部分时间里都与其他人交往。
But the real obstacle is that they're friends, which, in this film, has a special meaning, because if you remember when Harry met Sally on that car ride originally, he told her that he didn't think that men and women could ever just be friends.
但真正的障碍是他们是朋友，这在这部电影中具有特殊的意义，因为如果你还记得哈利最初在那趟车上遇见莎莉时，他告诉她，他不认为男人和女人只能成为朋友。
So this is new for him.
所以这对他来说是新的。
Billy Crystal has a scene in the film with a sidekick character, a best friend, played by Bruno Kirby, where they talk about this.
比利·克里斯托（Billy Crystal）在电影中与布鲁诺·柯比（Bruno Kirby）饰演的搭档角色（最好的朋友）有一个场景，他们谈论了这一点。
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
Bruno Kirby You enjoy being with her?
Bruno Kirby 你喜欢和她在一起吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Bruno Kirby You find her attractive?
布鲁诺·柯比 你觉得她有吸引力吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Bruno Kirby And you're not sleeping with her?
布鲁诺·柯比：你不和她一起睡吗？
No. Bruno Kirby You're afraid to let yourself be happy.
不。布鲁诺·柯比 你害怕让自己快乐。
Why can't you give me credit for this?
为什么你不能为此给予我信任？
This is a big thing for me.
这对我来说是一件大事。
I never had a relationship with a woman that didn't involve sex.
我从来没有和一个女人发生过不涉及性的关系。
I feel like I'm growing.
我感觉自己在成长。
We went out looking for a real-life couple facing some obstacle that kept them from being together, and that's not actually very hard to find.
我们出去找一对现实生活中的情侣，他们面临着一些阻碍他们在一起的障碍，而这实际上并不难找到。
But one of our producers, Elna Baker, heard about a couple where the obstacle that confronted them, once the relationship got going, was pretty unusual.
但我们的一位制片人埃尔娜·贝克听说有一对夫妇，一旦关系开始，他们所面临的障碍就非常不寻常。
It was a couple one of her friends was in years ago.
这是她的一个朋友几年前的一对。
Quick warning to everybody who's listening to this podcast version of our show, there are some words that we have un-beeped in this and other stories in the program.
快速警告所有正在收听我们节目播客版本的人，我们在节目中的这个故事和其他故事中没有发出提示音。
If you don't want to hear that, maybe you're listening with kids, you can get a beeped version at our website, thisamericanlife.org.
如果您不想听，也许您正在和孩子们一起听，您可以在我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org 上获取嘟嘟声版本。
Anyway, here's Elna.
不管怎样，艾尔娜来了。
My friend, Michelle Buteau, is one of the most audacious, ballsy people I know.
我的朋友米歇尔·布托是我认识的最大胆、最勇敢的人之一。
And she brings this attitude into all aspects of her life, including relationships.
她将这种态度融入到生活的各个方面，包括人际关系。
This is a story about her and her boyfriend.
这是一个关于她和她男朋友的故事。
It starts in the '90s, when she was 18, going to college, living in Miami.
事情要从 90 年代开始，当时她 18 岁，正在上大学，住在迈阿密。
And as college students do, she adopted a new cool persona for herself, one that wore dark lipstick, cargo pants, and danced in reggae clubs every weekend.
就像大学生一样，她为自己塑造了一个新的酷角色，涂深色口红，穿着工装裤，每个周末都在雷鬼俱乐部跳舞。
I loved dancing.
我喜欢跳舞。
I wanted to be a fly girl on In Living Color.
我想成为《In Living Color》中的一名飞翔女孩。
I definitely would have been Snoop Dogg's video ho if I had the chance.
如果有机会的话，我肯定会成为 Snoop Dogg 的视频达人。
Yeah.
是的。
Michelle Buteau And, yeah, I was out one night at a teeny bopper club, and that's where I saw him.
米歇尔·布托：是的，有一天晚上我去一家小型波普俱乐部，在那里我看到了他。
I remember the smoke machine was working.
我记得烟雾机正在工作。
It felt like we were at a bar mitzvah somewhere in Jersey.
感觉就像我们在泽西岛某个地方参加成人礼。
And literally, when the smoke cleared, I'm like, who is that tall boy with the khakis on and the big gold chain and the curly hair?
从字面上看，当烟雾散去时，我就想，那个穿着卡其裤、戴着大金链、留着卷发的高个子男孩是谁？
How do I talk to him?
我怎么跟他说话？
And I kind of just sort of like inched my way over to him on the dance floor.
我有点像在舞池上慢慢地向他走去。
I remember doing this move where we're like-- we both sort of like roll into each other's body, and I can get a whiff of his Drakkar Noir and I was like, mm, yes, yes, yes.
我记得做这个动作时我们就像——我们都有点像滚进彼此的身体，我能闻到他的 Drakkar Noir 的味道，我当时想，嗯，是的，是的，是的。
And my heart was beating so fast, I could hear it.
我的心跳得很快，我都能听到。
And I'm like, oh, my god, this is what love is.
我想，哦，天啊，这就是爱。
I feel like a Puerto Rican Molly Ringwald.
我感觉自己就像波多黎各人莫莉·林沃德。
Like in any good first encounter, there were magical coincidences.
就像任何美好的初次邂逅一样，总会有神奇的巧合。
We were walking out to the parking lot, and we realized we both had the same car, Mazda Protegees, both leased by our moms.
我们走到停车场，发现我们拥有同一辆车，马自达 Protegees，都是我们妈妈租的。
Was that a moment where you're like, this is fate?
那一刻你是否觉得这就是命运？
I mean, not only did I go to this club--
我的意思是，我不仅去了这个俱乐部——
Oh, definitely.
哦，当然。
I'm like, what?
我想，什么？
Like, out of all the cars in the world, out of all the dance clubs, you and me.
就像，在世界上所有的汽车中，在所有的舞蹈俱乐部中，你和我。
He was 18, too, but he seemed really grown up.
他也18岁了，但他看起来真的长大了。
He worked at Best Buy selling DVDs, and he was also a drug dealer.
他在百思买工作，销售 DVD，同时也是一名毒贩。
And in my mind, I was like, oh, my god, he's so cool.
在我看来，我当时想，哦，天哪，他太酷了。
He's so good at math.
他数学非常好。
He counts so quickly.
他数得真快。
[LAUGHTER] Elna Baker In case you're thinking, drug dealer, red flag, he was barely a drug dealer.
[笑声] Elna Baker 如果你在想，毒贩，危险信号，他几乎不是毒贩。
He dealt weed.
他贩卖杂草。
Nearly every woman I know has dated a weed dealer.
我认识的几乎每个女人都和杂草贩子约会过。
They quickly got serious.
他们很快就严肃起来。
And he was Michelle's first big relationship.
他是米歇尔的第一个重要关系。
He was funny, smart.
他很有趣，很聪明。
They had good banter.
他们有很好的玩笑。
And he was this incredibly accepting person, made her feel comfortable, confident about her body and about sex, which she'd never really felt before.
他是一个令人难以置信的包容性的人，让她对自己的身体和性感到舒适和自信，这是她以前从未真正感受到的。
She imagined a real future with him.
她想象着和他在一起的真实未来。
The plan was-- I mean, looking back on it, it seems so basic, but just to be with each other, and to have fun, and to have kids, and to go out to dinner after a movie on a Friday night, you know, the Olive Garden, Cheesecake Factory, just kind of exist in a really cute apartment with beige carpet and white blinds.
我的意思是，回想起来，它似乎很基本，但只是为了彼此在一起，玩得开心，生孩子，周五晚上看完电影后出去吃晚饭，你知道，橄榄园，芝士蛋糕工厂，就存在于一间非常可爱的公寓里，有米色地毯和白色百叶窗。
Yeah, the American Dream.
是的，美国梦。
Fast forward three years into the relationship.
这段关系快进三年了。
Their lives are totally entwined.
他们的生活完全交织在一起。
Their families are close.
他们的家人很亲密。
They vacation together.
他们一起度假。
It was that point of no return place in a relationship where you're just like, here it is.
这是一段关系中无法回头的时刻，你就像是，就在这里。
This is it.
就是这样。
But there was this one thing that seemed sort of off, a lack of photographic evidence, no pictures of himself as a kid, specifically no school pictures, no prom picture.
但有一件事似乎有点不对劲，缺乏照片证据，没有他小时候的照片，特别是没有学校照片，没有舞会照片。
Even his mom didn't have any shots of him.
就连他的妈妈也没有他的照片。
It was just weird.
这很奇怪。
And then one night--
然后有一天晚上——
I had a dream that he called me up.
我梦见他打电话给我。
He told me that he never graduated high school.
他告诉我他高中没有毕业。
When I called him the next day and I was like I had this crazy dream, he just started crying.
当我第二天打电话给他时，我就像做了一个疯狂的梦一样，他开始哭了。
I could just hear him gently sobbing and he's like, not only did I not graduate high school, I don't even know how to read.
我只能听到他轻轻地抽泣，他就像，我不仅没有高中毕业，我什至不知道如何读书。
I'm just like, how?
我只是想，怎么样？
Like, I thought I knew you.
就像，我以为我认识你。
Like, what?
比如，什么？
Like, haven't we read something together?
比如说，我们没有一起读过一些东西吗？
Their entire relationship flashed before her eyes, one moment after another.
他们的整个关系在她眼前一闪一闪地闪过。
Suddenly, it all made sense.
突然间，这一切都有意义了。
And I was going back.
我正要回去。
You know, I realized, like, oh my god, this is why we go to the same restaurant.
你知道，我意识到，天哪，这就是我们去同一家餐厅的原因。
We would go to the same restaurant, and he'd order the same thing because he couldn't read the menu.
我们会去同一家餐厅，他会点同样的东西，因为他看不懂菜单。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
Michelle Buteau And he liked you go to restaurants that had pictures of the food.
Michelle Buteau 他喜欢你去有食物照片的餐馆。
You know, I would write him poems and stuff and he's like, read them to me.
你知道，我会给他写诗之类的东西，他就会读给我听。
You know, it's better when I hear it from you.
你知道，当我听到你的消息时会更好。
And never wanted to go through his mail.
并且从来不想查看他的邮件。
I had to help him.
我必须帮助他。
When you stop and think about it, the fact that he'd been able to navigate the world convincingly and keep this from Michelle for over three years, it was an incredible feat.
当你停下来想一想，事实上，他能够令人信服地驾驭这个世界，并且在三年多的时间里不让米歇尔知道，这是一个令人难以置信的壮举。
He must have been covering this up constantly.
他肯定一直在掩盖这件事。
When he told me why he didn't know how to read, it just made my heart break even more.
当他告诉我为什么他不识字时，我的心更碎了。
I mean, his dad died when he was young, and so his mom had to work three jobs.
我的意思是，他的父亲在他很小的时候就去世了，所以他的妈妈不得不做三份工作。
And he was depressed and just dropped out of the fifth grade, and nobody ever noticed.
他很沮丧，刚从五年级退学，却没有人注意到。
His mom didn't want to deal with it.
他的妈妈不想处理这件事。
And you know, I'm not judging because it must been so hard for her.
你知道，我不是在评判，因为这对她来说一定很难。
The only thing that kept going through my mind, I remember, was, I want to save you.
我记得，我脑子里唯一一直闪过的就是，我想救你。
I want to help you.
我想帮助你。
I want to make this better.
我想让这变得更好。
You know, we're going to get back on track to what we had planned.
你知道，我们将回到我们计划的轨道上。
She was not going to allow this obstacle to push them apart.
她不会让这个障碍将他们分开。
She jumped into action.
她立即行动起来。
This was before you could Google everything, so Michelle went to the library and did research on adult literacy.
那是在你还可以用谷歌搜索所有东西之前，所以米歇尔去了图书馆，对成人识字能力进行了研究。
She broke it down into manageable steps and wrote out a timeline for him.
她将其分解为可管理的步骤，并为他制定了时间表。
My game plan for him was I had a list of places he could go to to go to night school, a therapist he could talk to, easy adult reading books, tips and tricks.
我对他的计划是，我列出了他可以去上夜校的地方、他可以交谈的治疗师、简单的成人阅读书籍、提示和技巧。
It was like a whole sort of care package of how to just take it on.
这就像一整套关于如何接受它的护理包。
And he was really overwhelmed by it.
他真的被它压垮了。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It's like, OK, this is a really big deal.
就像，好吧，这确实是一件大事。
I get it.
我得到它。
Michelle's dyslexic, and her boyfriend didn't have a learning disability.
米歇尔有阅读障碍，而她的男朋友没有学习障碍。
But still, she could empathize with how hard it can be to read.
但她仍然能够理解阅读是多么困难。
And at first, Michelle's boyfriend was totally on board with the plan.
起初，米歇尔的男朋友完全同意这个计划。
But after a year of Michelle offering him solutions, he still hadn't taken any action.
但米歇尔向他提供了一年的解决方案后，他仍然没有采取任何行动。
It just seemed like he didn't want to.
看起来他只是不想这么做。
He got around the world just fine without reading.
他不读书也能游历世界。
She started realizing, oh wait, his illiteracy was a way bigger problem for her than it was for him, and it really started pushing them apart.
她开始意识到，哦等等，他的文盲对她来说比对他来说是一个更大的问题，这真的开始让他们分开。
I stopped being his girlfriend and sort of became his coach or his mom, and it wasn't fun for either one of us.
我不再是他的女朋友，而是成为了他的教练或他的妈妈，这对我们俩来说都不好玩。
I tried every tactic.
我尝试了每一种策略。
I was patient.
我很有耐心。
I was nice.
我很好。
I was stern.
我很严厉。
And then I kind of backed off.
然后我有点退缩了。
I'm like, whatever.
我就像，无论如何。
He needs to do on his own time.
他需要利用自己的时间做事。
It started to bleed its way into every moment they shared together, like she could never fully relax anymore.
它开始渗透到他们在一起的每一刻，就像她再也无法完全放松一样。
Even when they were happy, she'd snap herself out of it and think, wait, no, no. We're forgetting that there's this huge, looming problem, and we've got to fix it before everything can be OK.
即使他们很高兴，她也会振作起来，想，等等，不，不。我们忘记了这个巨大的、迫在眉睫的问题，我们必须先解决它，然后一切才能恢复正常。
She started to resent him.
她开始怨恨他。
We don't even laugh anymore.
我们甚至不再笑了。
We're not even holding hands like we used to.
我们甚至不再像以前那样牵手。
We're not even having sex like we used to, simply because you're not even going to this class.
我们甚至不再像以前那样做爱，只是因为你甚至不去上这门课。
Like, if you just went to a class, I would just be so happy.
就像，如果你只是去上课，我会很高兴。
Did you feel like, if you love me, you will learn to read?
你有没有觉得，如果你爱我，你就会学会读书？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
I mean, is that weird?
我的意思是，这很奇怪吗？
But I totally felt like that.
但我完全有这样的感觉。
I was like, who's going to read books to our kids at night?
我当时想，谁会在晚上给我们的孩子读书呢？
Like, you've got to get it together.
就像，你必须把它放在一起。
This was like the bane of my existence.
这就像我存在的祸根。
I was like-- and I couldn't really talk to anyone about it, because how embarrassing.
我当时想——我真的不能和任何人谈论这件事，因为太尴尬了。
Because I didn't want my friends to think less of him, you know?
因为我不想让我的朋友轻视他，你知道吗？
And I wanted him to still feel like a man, so I just kind of carried this by myself.
我希望他仍然感觉像个男人，所以我就自己承担了这个。
And at some point, I just looked at myself and I was like, you've got to go.
在某个时刻，我看着自己，心想，你必须离开。
But even then, it was just like, how do I leave somebody when they're down?
但即便如此，我还是会想，当某人情绪低落时，我该如何离开他们呢？
Well, in a sense it actually-- like, it made the relationship last longer because everything became about him reading.
嗯，从某种意义上说，这实际上让我们的关系持续得更久，因为一切都与他的阅读有关。
And so if you could just crack that or fix that, then maybe it would work out.
所以如果你能破解这个问题或者解决这个问题，那么也许就会成功。
Oh, my god, what are you?
天哪，你是什么？
Dr. Phil with tits?
菲尔博士有奶吗？
[LAUGHTER] Yeah, I mean, I feel like I always live like that.
[笑声] 是的，我的意思是，我觉得我一直都是这样生活的。
If I could just lose those 20 pounds.
如果我能减掉那20磅就好了。
If I could just have a clean house all the time, I could do everything I really want to do on my list.
如果我能一直拥有一个干净的房子，我就可以做清单上我真正想做的一切。
And so, yeah, there was that.
所以，是的，就是这样。
You know, if we could just get past this, then we'll live the life we're supposed to live.
你知道，如果我们能够克服这个困难，那么我们就会过上我们应该过的生活。
That's the promise of an obstacle.
这是一个障碍的承诺。
You feel like all you have to do is conquer it, and you get your happy ending.
你觉得你所要做的就是征服它，然后你就会得到幸福的结局。
How would it play out in a rom-com?
如果拍成浪漫喜剧的话会怎样呢？
Yeah.
是的。
Michelle Buteau Ooh, OK.
米歇尔·布托 哦，好的。
Boom.
繁荣。
He learns how to read.
他学习如何阅读。
He writes a New York best seller situation.
他写了一本纽约畅销书的情景。
It becomes a movie.
它变成了一部电影。
Channing Tatum plays him.
查宁·塔图姆饰演他。
Lisa Bonet plays me.
丽莎博内特扮演我。
And we live happily ever after with a bunch of mixed children in a huge apartment with beige carpet by the Cheesecake Factory.
从此以后，我们和一群混血孩子住在芝士蛋糕工厂旁边一间铺着米色地毯的大公寓里，幸福地生活着。
Amazing.
惊人的。
[LAUGHS] See, I was imagining that he would greet you at the airport with, like, a sign that he had handwritten himself that was like, Michelle, I can read now.
[笑]看，我想象他会在机场迎接你，就像一个他自己手写的标志，就像“米歇尔，我现在可以读了”。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
Elna Baker And then you'd see it, and you'd start crying.
埃尔娜·贝克：然后你就会看到它，然后你就会开始哭泣。
And you'd be like, oh!
你会说，哦！
And he's worked so hard behind your back, secretly going to night school the whole time.
而且他背着你那么努力，一直偷偷去夜校。
Aww.
哇。
I know.
我知道。
Instead, he just like fucked a stripper.
相反，他就像操一个脱衣舞娘。
OK, she wasn't a stripper, but she was sleeping with Michelle's boyfriend.
好吧，她不是脱衣舞娘，但她和米歇尔的男朋友睡过。
Michelle suspects that the entire time she was struggling to get him to read, he was cheating on her.
米歇尔怀疑，在她努力让他读书的整个过程中，他一直在欺骗她。
She was so focused on the obstacle she thought they were facing, she totally missed it.
她太专注于她认为他们面临的障碍，但她完全忽略了它。
Of course, as rom-coms go, the thing missing from this story is com, at least until Michelle started doing stand up and figured out how to tell it on stage.
当然，随着浪漫喜剧的发展，这个故事缺少的就是喜剧，至少在米歇尔开始单口喜剧并弄清楚如何在舞台上讲述之前是这样。
When did you decide, this story's funny.
你什么时候决定的，这个故事很有趣。
I'm going to put it in my act?
我要把它融入到我的行动中吗？
Because it's actually really sad, but--
因为这确实很悲伤，但是——
Yeah, you know, most of my-- the first joke I ever wrote was about him.
是的，你知道，我写的第一个笑话大部分都是关于他的。
Will you tell it to me?
你能告诉我吗？
Michelle Buteau Sure.
米歇尔·布托 当然。
It's lines at Disney World remind me of my ex-boyfriend, three hours of waiting for a two-minute ride.
迪士尼世界的排队让我想起了我的前男友，两分钟的车程要等三个小时。
Ayo.
阿哟。
But the story, I didn't feel comfortable doing it on stage till 13 years later.
但这个故事，直到13年后我才觉得在舞台上表演很舒服。
And I stayed with him, but then it got, like, real ratchet.
我和他待在一起，但后来事情变得像真正的棘轮一样。
Like, we would get into arguments, and I'd say shit like, but you said you'd learn how to read for me.
就像，我们会争论，我会说狗屎之类的，但你说你会学习如何为我读书。
Like, that's not how you want your first relationship to be.
就像，这不是你想要的第一段关系。
[LAUGHTER] Elna Baker In her act, she even talks about how great it feels to tell this story on stage.
[笑声] 埃尔娜·贝克 (Elna Baker) 在表演中，她甚至谈到了在舞台上讲述这个故事的感觉是多么棒。
But it just felt so good.
但就是感觉太好了。
It was so cathartic.
这真是一种宣泄。
I was like, yes, I got to get this out.
我当时想，是的，我必须把它弄出来。
And I just started doing jokes about him and blogging about him.
我开始开他的玩笑并写关于他的博客。
And my friends are like, you got to be careful, because you're using his first and last name.
我的朋友们说，你必须小心，因为你使用的是他的名字和姓氏。
[LAUGHTER] And I was like, bitch, I don't give a fuck, because that motherfucker can't read!
[笑声]我当时想，婊子，我才不在乎呢，因为那个混蛋不识字！
[APPLAUSE] All right.
[鼓掌]好吧。
Good night, everybody.
大家晚安。
I got to go.
我得走了。
[CHEERING] Ira Glass Elna Baker's one of the producers of our show.
[欢呼] Ira Glass Elna Baker 是我们节目的制片人之一。
Michelle Buteau is going to be hosting a new podcast, Late Night Whenever from WNYC.
米歇尔·布托 (Michelle Buteau) 将主持一个新的播客，来自 WNYC 的 Late Night Everyday。
It's going to launch in April.
它将于四月推出。
Coming up, a real life rom-com that involves Shakespeare, real kisses that are like stage kisses, and the police.
一部现实生活中的浪漫喜剧即将上映，其中涉及莎士比亚、像舞台吻一样的真实吻和警察。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, for Valentine's Day, "Rom Com," stories mostly taken from real life that mimic things that we have seen in romantic comedies.
今天的情人节节目“Rom Com”，故事大多取材于现实生活，模仿我们在浪漫喜剧中看到的东西。
We've arrived at Act Three of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, The Run.
第三幕，奔跑。
This, of course, in a romantic comedy is the scene where somebody has to cross town at some point, literally sprinting to chase down the person they love and stop them from either marrying somebody else or winning them back somehow.
当然，在浪漫喜剧中，有这样一个场景：某人必须在某个时刻穿过城镇，冲刺去追捕他们所爱的人，并阻止他们要么嫁给别人，要么以某种方式赢回他们。
It doesn't always end up at the airport, but lots of these do.
它并不总是在机场结束，但很多这样。
And honestly, I have to say, I was surprised we found this ever happened in real life, but here is one story like that.
老实说，我不得不说，我很惊讶我们发现现实生活中发生过这种事，但这里有一个这样的故事。
Marissa Kohan's dad used to like to tell the story.
玛丽莎·科汉 (Marissa Kohan) 的父亲曾经喜欢讲这个故事。
It was about his own marriage.
这是关于他自己的婚姻。
He died a couple of years ago.
他几年前去世了。
His name is Ron.
他的名字叫罗恩。
The story goes like this.
故事是这样的。
When he was getting together with Marissa's mom, Marissa's mom, Debbie, drove across the country to move in with Ron in Florida.
当他与玛丽莎的妈妈聚会时，玛丽莎的妈妈黛比开车穿过全国搬到佛罗里达州与罗恩同住。
And before she left, she had the post office forward her mail to his house in Florida.
在她离开之前，她让邮局将邮件转发到他在佛罗里达州的家中。
And he saw a letter arrive from her ex-fiance.
他看到一封来自她前未婚夫的信。
I think it's crazy, but my dad decided that he saw that letter and he had to read it.
我觉得这很疯狂，但我爸爸决定他看到了那封信，他必须读它。
This is Marissa.
这是玛丽莎。
Marissa Kohan So he just opened the letter, read the whole thing.
玛丽莎·科汉（Marissa Kohan）所以他打开了这封信，读了整件事。
And as my dad put it, my mom's ex-fiance was declaring his undying love for her, and was begging her not to go, and was saying he wants to get back together with her.
正如我父亲所说，我母亲的前未婚夫正在宣告他对她永恒的爱，并恳求她不要走，并说他想与她复合。
And my dad freaked out.
我爸爸吓坏了。
He decided, this is it.
他决定，就这样吧。
It's now or never.
要么现在，要么永远。
He decides he's going to meet her in Dallas, which is where she is in her car trip, and also is where the ex-fiance lives.
他决定去达拉斯与她见面，这是她驾车旅行的地方，也是前未婚夫居住的地方。
He hurries to the airport.
他急忙赶往机场。
The way he told it was he was going through the airport, you know, running through the Florida airport.
他所说的方式是他正在穿过机场，你知道，穿过佛罗里达机场。
Gets a ring out of a little gumball machine.
从一个小口香糖球机中取出一个戒指。
Puts, you know, however much that costs, a quarter or whatever, in the gumball machine, pulls out a Mickey Mouse ring-- because it's Florida, naturally.
你知道，无论花费多少钱，无论是四分之一还是其他什么，放入口香糖球机中，都会拉出一个米老鼠戒指 - 因为它自然是佛罗里达州。
Gets on the plane.
上飞机了。
Flies and meets my mom in Dallas.
飞去达拉斯与我妈妈见面。
And right there in the airport, gets down on one knee the second he sees her.
就在机场，他一看到她就单膝跪下。
I had no plans of seeing the ex-fiance at all, whatsoever.
无论如何，我根本没有计划去见前未婚夫。
This is Marissa's mom, Debbie.
这是玛丽莎的妈妈黛比。
She had no idea the ex-fiance had written a letter or that Ron had opened it.
她不知道前未婚夫写了一封信，也不知道罗恩打开了它。
All she knew was that he had offered to drive the rest of the way across the country with her and was going to meet her in the Dallas airport.
她只知道他主动提出开车陪她穿越整个国家，并准备在达拉斯机场接她。
He gets off the plane, and I greet him.
他下了飞机，我向他打招呼。
And practically the very next thing out of his mouth is, will you marry me?
事实上，他接下来说的话就是，你愿意嫁给我吗？
And he opens up his hand.
他张开手。
And in his hand, he's got this little Mickey Mouse ring in his hand.
他手里拿着这个米奇老鼠的小戒指。
And I am not proud of my reaction at all.
我对自己的反应一点也不感到自豪。
[LAUGHS] Do you want to hear it?
[笑]你想听吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Debbie [LAUGHS] My reaction was, are you crazy?
黛比[笑]我的反应是，你疯了吗？
This is the craziest thing I've ever heard of.
这是我听过的最疯狂的事情。
I barely know you.
我几乎不认识你。
That was my reaction.
这就是我的反应。
I have to say, that is my favorite part of the story.
我不得不说，这是故事中我最喜欢的部分。
No, what I love about it is that in the movies, when somebody does a gesture like that, often it's way crazier than what he did.
不，我喜欢的是在电影中，当有人做出这样的手势时，通常比他所做的更疯狂。
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass And kind of stalker-ish.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 有点跟踪狂的感觉。
But the movie just acts like, oh, that was a totally lovely thing for a person to do because true love will out.
但这部电影的表现就像，哦，这对一个人来说是一件非常可爱的事情，因为真爱会出现。
And I like that you had the normal human reaction that a normal person would have.
我喜欢你有正常人会有的正常反应。
It would be like, are you nuts?
就像，你疯了吗？
Right.
正确的。
Right.
正确的。
Right.
正确的。
Right.
正确的。
Yeah.
是的。
Well, I'm too pragmatic to fall for that one, I guess.
好吧，我想，我太务实了，不会轻易相信这一点。
True love eventually did win out though.
但真爱最终还是赢得了胜利。
At their wedding, in addition to a regular ring, she also wore the Mickey Mouse one.
在他们的婚礼上，除了普通的戒指外，她还戴着米老鼠的戒指。
There was another story we heard about somebody running to win love, which actually kind of paralleled the run that happens at the end of Neil's favorite rom-com, When Harry Met Sally.
我们还听说过另一个故事，是关于有人为了赢得爱情而跑步的，这实际上与尼尔最喜欢的浪漫喜剧《当哈利遇见莎莉》结尾时发生的跑步相似。
In When Harry Met Sally, the way it goes is that it's New Year's Eve.
在《当哈利遇到莎莉》中，故事的情节是新年前夜。
Harry's wandering around the streets of New York, and he realizes that he loves Sally, has to tell her now, breaks into a run to go tell her.
哈利在纽约街头闲逛，他意识到自己爱莎莉，现在必须告诉她，于是他跑去告诉她。
It's very New York-centric in this one because he tries to catch a cab, and of course he can't-- so he's just going to run the entire distance.
这一次非常以纽约为中心，因为他试图搭上出租车，当然他不能——所以他只会跑完全程。
David Kestenbaum has our real-life version of this story, about a guy named Steve Snyder.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 (David Kestenbaum) 讲述了这个故事的现实版本，讲述的是一个名叫史蒂夫·斯奈德 (Steve Snyder) 的人。
The thought that someone actually made one of these runs in real life seems so unlikely to me that I wanted to see where it had happened, retrace the steps of it.
在我看来，有人在现实生活中真的进行了这样的跑步，这种想法似乎不太可能，所以我想看看它发生在哪里，追溯它的步骤。
So I met Steve where the run began, at this burger place on Ludlow Street in New York City.
所以我在跑步开始的地方遇见了史蒂夫，在纽约市拉德洛街的这个汉堡店。
Steve is the kind of guy who is not very good at hiding his feelings.
史蒂夫是那种不太善于隐藏自己感情的人。
Like, if this were a movie, you could title it "Say Everything."
就像，如果这是一部电影，你可以将其命名为“说出一切”。
The setup to the run is this, he'd met this woman, Emily, at a birthday party.
跑步的背景是这样的，他在一次生日聚会上遇到了这个女人，艾米丽。
He was totally smitten.
他完全被迷住了。
What I remember is the party kind of turned into sort of a tunnel vision moment.
我记得聚会有点变成了一种狭隘的视野时刻。
All I really did was talk to her.
我真正做的就是和她说话。
It didn't go great.
进展不太顺利。
He kept asking her, you want to go to a movie?
他一直问她，你想去看电影吗？
Maybe we could hang out sometime.
也许我们可以找个时间出去玩。
If there's a trajectory of my life, it's going from clingy to a little less clingy.
如果说我的人生有一条轨迹的话，那就是从粘人到不那么粘人。
Steve emailed her after the party.
聚会结束后史蒂夫给她发了电子邮件。
Nothing came of it.
结果什么也没发生。
A year passes.
一年过去了。
And just like in When Harry Met Sally, they meet a second time.
就像《当哈利遇见莎莉》中一样，他们第二次见面。
In Steve and Emily's case, it's at the very same birthday party, same apartment.
就史蒂夫和艾米丽而言，这是在同一个生日聚会上，在同一个公寓里。
And they become friends.
他们成为朋友。
It was the kind of friendship where, really, it could go either way.
事实上，这种友谊可以是任何一种方式。
She seemed kind of interested in something more, but maybe not enough.
她似乎对更多的事情感兴趣，但也许还不够。
And the longer they were friends, it was like, well, maybe that's what they were.
他们做朋友的时间越长，就好像，好吧，也许他们就是这样。
Steve had a job as a film critic, so they would go to movies, lots of movies, where they would not hold hands and not kiss.
史蒂夫有一份影评人的工作，所以他们会去看电影，很多电影，在那里他们不会牵手，也不会接吻。
There is a pathetic moment.
有一个可悲的时刻。
So Lincoln Center Station, we're waiting for the train.
林肯中心车站，我们正在等火车。
It's like some crazy, 20-minute wait where the words actually come out of my mouth, you know, hey, if you ever want a film critic as a boyfriend, you just let me know.
这就像疯狂的 20 分钟等待，这些话实际上是从我嘴里说出来的，你知道，嘿，如果你想要一个影评人作为男朋友，你就让我知道。
[LAUGHTER] I think we were talking about-- it fit into the context of the conversation somehow, but I can't think of anything more pathetic.
[笑声]我想我们正在谈论——它在某种程度上符合谈话的背景，但我想不出还有什么比这更可悲的了。
What was her reaction?
她的反应是什么？
Steve Snyder She just kind of laughed and was like, yeah, OK, OK.
史蒂夫·斯奈德（Steve Snyder）她只是笑了笑，然后说，是的，好吧，好吧。
The run happened on a night where they were not going to hang out.
这次跑步发生在他们不打算出去玩的一个晚上。
Steve thinks he was working on a review of some Mutant Ninja Turtle movie.
史蒂夫认为他正在写一部《忍者神龟》电影的评论。
And after work, he goes out with some friends to a music place.
下班后，他和一些朋友一起去音乐场所。
Music's so loud and it's kind of fun.
音乐是如此响亮，而且很有趣。
You know, it's a great night.
你知道，这是一个美好的夜晚。
And we're dancing.
我们正在跳舞。
I actually started dancing for once.
我实际上开始跳舞一次。
We leave the place.
我们离开这个地方。
We're going to go get some greasy food because we're hungry and we haven't eaten.
我们要去买一些油腻的食物，因为我们饿了，而且还没吃东西。
And I have my bag and everything, so we walk into the burger joint.
我带着包和所有东西，所以我们走进汉堡店。
The place we are sitting in right now-- greasy spoon, tiled white walls and painted brick.
我们现在坐的地方——油腻腻的勺子，白墙瓷砖，彩绘砖。
It's like a piece of a subway station that's somehow above ground.
它就像地铁站的一部分，不知何故位于地面之上。
You know, there's what, five tables here?
你知道吗，这里有五张桌子？
It's tiny.
它很小。
And so I remember just kind of throwing my bag down.
所以我记得我只是把包扔了下来。
And then I pull out my phone just to check.
然后我拿出手机来查看。
And it's one of those weird nights, right?
这是那些奇怪的夜晚之一，对吧？
Like, I just haven't checked my phone almost any night-- any night, 99% of nights, you know, your phone's right next to you.
就像，我几乎每个晚上都没有检查过我的手机——任何一个晚上，99% 的夜晚，你知道，你的手机就在你身边。
If it's buzzing, you hear it.
如果嗡嗡声，您会听到。
If it rings, you hear it.
如果铃声响起，您就会听到。
I don't know if I had bad reception in the place because it's kind of an older building, but I looked down, and I swear to god, I have like 22 text messages.
我不知道这个地方的信号接收是否不好，因为那是一栋老建筑，但我低下头，我向上帝发誓，我收到了大约 22 条短信。
And I'm like, what?
我想，什么？
And they're all from Emily.
他们都是艾米丽的。
And so I run out of the burger place to the street.
于是我就从汉堡店跑到了街上。
Right, let's go outside.
好吧，我们出去吧。
Steve Snyder [LAUGHS] OK.
史蒂夫·斯奈德（笑）好的。
I rush out here, and there's not exactly a lot of room.
我冲出去，这里已经没有多少空间了。
I mean, there's not room at all.
我的意思是，根本没有空间。
So this is a crowded-- like, this is where you hang out till 4:00 AM.
所以这是一个拥挤的地方——就像，这是你闲逛到凌晨 4:00 的地方。
So I rush out and I start reading through the messages.
于是我冲出去，开始阅读邮件。
And it starts very kind of innocently, very like, hey, what are you up to tonight?
它开始时非常天真，非常像，嘿，你今晚要做什么？
Oh, are you-- oh, maybe you're out?
哦，你是——哦，也许你出去了？
I was wondering if maybe you wanted to like get a drink or something?
我想知道你是否想喝点东西什么的？
And then it starts escalating like, wait, are you not texting me?
然后事情开始升级，比如，等等，你不给我发短信吗？
Or why aren't you texting me back?
或者你为什么不回短信给我？
Usually, he was pretty quick at getting back to her.
通常，他很快就会回复她。
Because I was totally into her.
因为我完全喜欢她。
And then it started being like-- it started getting a little more paranoid.
然后它开始变得有点偏执。
And then I think she started thinking I was on a date or something.
然后我想她开始以为我在约会什么的。
In just two hours, it looked like she'd gone through all these phases, everything laid out in all these texts, ending with one that Steve was not expecting.
在短短两个小时内，看起来她已经经历了所有这些阶段，所有这些文本中都列出了所有内容，并以史蒂夫意想不到的方式结束。
And the last text message said, maybe we need to talk about this whole not dating thing.
最后一条短信说，也许我们需要谈谈这整个不约会的事情。
I just-- I-- I thought, this is it.
我只是——我——我想，就是这样了。
Like whatever's about to happen, this is the moment.
就像任何即将发生的事情一样，这就是时刻。
And so I immediately called her.
于是我立即给她打电话。
I immediately just hit dial.
我立即按下拨号键。
I didn't quite know what I was going to say.
我不太知道自己要说什么。
And I think she picked up the phone, said, hello, and I just kind of started going into it, like, I don't know what to say here.
我想她拿起电话说，你好，然后我就开始进入这个话题，就像，我不知道在这里该说什么。
Like, yes, I want to date you.
就像，是的，我想和你约会。
And what have we been doing?
我们一直在做什么？
You know, I'm screaming in the street.
你知道吗，我在街上尖叫。
The cars aren't moving.
车都不动了。
People stop walking by me.
人们不再从我身边走过。
They just stop to see what's going on here, because I'm screaming like, I love you.
他们只是停下来看看这里发生了什么，因为我尖叫着，我爱你。
I don't know how to be clearer, like, I love you.
我不知道该怎么说得更清楚，比如，我爱你。
And so I'm screaming this.
所以我尖叫这个。
And this crowd is starting to cheer me on.
这群人开始为我欢呼。
Someone does yell, like, say you love him!
有人确实大喊大叫，比如说你爱他！
Say you love him, yelling to her through the phone.
说你爱他，通过电话对她大喊大叫。
And--
还有——
I love New York.
我爱纽约。
[LAUGHS] Steve Snyder And all I remember her saying, and it might have been all that she did say, was, you need to stop yelling.
[笑] 史蒂夫·斯奈德 我记得她说过的话，也可能是她说过的话，就是，你需要停止大喊大叫。
If you want to talk about this, you might as well just come here.
如果你想谈论这个，不妨来这里。
And as far as I'm concerned, this is the moment-- like, it's on.
就我而言，现在就是这样的时刻——就像，它已经开始了。
This is happening.
这正在发生。
And I just start running down the street looking for cabs.
我就开始沿着街道跑去找出租车。
Let's run.
我们跑吧。
Let's run.
我们跑吧。
Steve Snyder [LAUGHS] OK.
史蒂夫·斯奈德（笑）好的。
So I start running.
所以我开始跑步。
We are now jogging up Ludlow Street.
我们现在正在拉德洛街慢跑。
It's actually kind of exciting.
这实际上有点令人兴奋。
The crowd's looking at me, wondering what the hell I'm doing.
人群看着我，想知道我到底在做什么。
And literally, I'm banging on every cab, because it's that time of night where some are just saying they're off duty.
从字面上看，我敲打着每一辆出租车，因为在晚上的那个时候，有些人只是说他们下班了。
So I think I hit a couple.
所以我想我打了几个。
And I'm sort of like, can you take me just up to the East Village, not that far?
我就想，你能带我去东村吗？不要那么远？
But taxi after taxi is like, no, or there's someone in it.
但一辆接一辆的出租车都说，不，或者车里有人。
So he keeps running.
所以他继续奔跑。
It's like I didn't tell my friends where I was going.
就好像我没有告诉我的朋友我要去哪里。
I left my laptop, all these screeners that I had taken assignments to review, that the movie studios told me they needed back.
我留下了我的笔记本电脑，所有这些我接受作业审查的放映机，电影制片厂告诉我他们需要归还。
I ditched everything.
我抛弃了一切。
Yeah.
是的。
David Kestenbaum Why does love always involve running?
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 为什么爱情总是与跑步有关？
[LAUGHS] That is interesting.
[笑]这很有趣。
Why did I feel like I had to run?
为什么我觉得我必须逃跑？
In the movies, they run, but usually it's because someone's about to get married or about to get on a plane.
在电影中，他们会逃跑，但通常是因为有人要结婚或要上飞机。
It felt very urgent to get there very quick.
感觉非常紧迫，必须尽快到达那里。
This had been building up for years.
这种情况已经持续多年了。
And for a moment, she was willing to consider it.
有那么一刻，她愿意考虑一下。
And I was going to get there before she said it was too late or she was too tired.
我要在她说太晚或者她太累之前赶到那里。
Steve told me he'd been living in the friend universe for so long, and now it was like this little wormhole had opened up-- he didn't know for how long-- where he might be able to slip into the parallel universe of boyfriend.
史蒂夫告诉我，他已经在朋友宇宙里生活了这么久，现在就像这个小虫洞打开了——他不知道会持续多久——在那里他可以溜进男朋友的平行宇宙。
Steve did eventually get a taxi, he made it to her apartment, and he stayed over.
史蒂夫最终打到了一辆出租车，到达了她的公寓，并在那里过夜。
And they did become boyfriend and girlfriend.
他们确实成为了男朋友和女朋友。
In the movies, this is often the final scene.
在电影中，这通常是最后的场景。
The end of the movie is the beginning of the relationship.
电影的结束就是这段关系的开始。
You don't really get to see how it goes, how he gets too clingy, one of them meets someone else, how it just fades.
你无法真正看到事情是如何进行的，他是如何变得太粘人的，其中一个人遇到了另一个人，它是如何消失的。
But that is not this story.
但这不是这个故事。
We got married, and now we have two kids.
我们结婚了，现在我们有两个孩子。
And I still can't believe it's all played out the way it did.
我仍然不敢相信这一切就这样发生了。
I know things don't always work out in the end, but sometimes you just want to hear the ones that do.
我知道事情并不总是最终成功，但有时你只是想听到那些成功的。
David Kestenbaum is one of the producers of our show.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆是我们节目的制片人之一。
So after Harry does his run across New York City on New Year's Eve and reaches Sally, he explains to her that he ran because, once you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible.
因此，在哈利在除夕夜跑步穿越纽约并到达莎莉身边后，他向她解释说，他跑步是因为，一旦你意识到你想和某人共度余生，你就会希望你的余生尽快开始。
And he tells her all the things about her that he notices and loves about her.
他告诉她他注意到并喜欢她的所有关于她的事情。
That's the final thing you need for a rom-com.
这是浪漫喜剧所需要的最后一件事。
You need for somebody to declare that they see you in ways that you're usually not seen-- maybe you don't even know yourself.
你需要有人宣称他们以你通常看不到的方式看待你——也许你甚至不了解你自己。
And it does happen in real life sometimes after some obstacles.
在现实生活中，有时在遇到一些障碍之后，这种情况确实会发生。
Diane Wu has a story like that.
吴黛安有一个这样的故事。
She fell for him in an acting class.
她在表演课上爱上了他。
Jillian was a serious young actor bent over her desk taking notes when Geoffrey got up in front of class to read from A Midsummer Night's Dream.
当杰弗里在课堂上起身朗读《仲夏夜之梦》时，吉莉安是一位严肃的年轻演员，她正伏在桌子上做笔记。
I just remember hearing his voice first and then actually looking up from my notebook and just watching him do the scene.
我只记得先听到他的声音，然后才从笔记本上抬起头，看着他表演这个场景。
And he was so, so good.
他是如此、如此优秀。
And he had this really awesome voice.
他的声音真的很棒。
It's super low and really resonant, and he was really hot, too.
声音超低，非常有共鸣，而且他也很性感。
By the time he sat back down, she was done.
等他坐下来的时候，她已经完成了。
I was immediately more attracted to him than I'd ever felt attracted to anybody before.
我立刻就对他产生了前所未有的吸引力。
And I didn't know how to talk to him.
而且我不知道怎么跟他说话。
I just knew that I wanted to talk to him, but I just didn't know how.
我只知道我想和他说话，但我不知道如何说话。
It was like a mix between wanting to be right next to somebody and then run away and hide.
这就像想要紧挨着某人，然后又想逃跑并躲起来。
Jillian was young, 20.
吉莉安很年轻，才20岁。
She'd had boyfriends, but nothing too serious.
她有过男朋友，但都没有太严重。
And they'd always liked her more than she liked them, until Geoffrey.
他们总是喜欢她胜过她喜欢他们，直到杰弗里。
They were working together at a Shakespeare theater in New York.
他们在纽约的莎士比亚剧院一起工作。
At the end, they put on a production of The Winter's Tale.
最后，他们上演了《冬天的故事》。
Onstage, she'd sometimes gets so distracted that he was there that she'd forget her lines.
在舞台上，她有时会因为他在场而分心，以至于忘记台词。
Sometimes offstage, she thought maybe Geoffrey was flirting with her, but she couldn't tell for sure.
有时在台下，她以为杰弗里可能在和她调情，但她不能确定。
And anyway, she had a rule, never sleep with a cast mate.
不管怎样，她有一条规矩，永远不要和演员一起睡觉。
So for four months, she kept her feelings to herself.
所以四个月来，她一直把自己的感受保密。
Cut to the night of the final cast party.
切到最后演员聚会当晚。
Everyone's at the bar that they always go to, and it's the first night they're no longer coworkers.
每个人都在他们常去的酒吧里，这是他们不再是同事的第一个晚上。
So on her way over, Jillian makes it her mission to try and kiss him that night.
因此，在过来的路上，吉莉安把那天晚上尝试亲吻他作为自己的使命。
She talks to him a lot at the party, but keeps chickening out.
她在聚会上和他聊了很多，但总是畏首畏尾。
Finally, she gives up and decides to go home.
最后，她放弃了，决定回家。
And so I was standing there, and I was getting ready to hail a cab, finishing up the end of the cigarette, and I felt him come up next to me.
于是我站在那里，准备叫一辆出租车，抽完烟，我感觉到他走到我旁边。
And yeah, he just-- it was kind of like-- I remember him just like brushing back hair kind of off of my cheek.
是的，他只是——有点像——我记得他就像把我脸颊上的头发拂到后面。
And it's that moment, you know, where you know that you're actually going to kiss.
就在那一刻，你知道，你知道你们真的要接吻了。
You just feel it in your two bodies.
你只是在你的两个身体中感受到它。
And he just so very lightly pressed his lips up against mine.
他只是轻轻地将嘴唇压在我的嘴唇上。
And then it was like, well, now like an actual deeper kiss.
然后就好像，嗯，现在就像一个真正更深的吻。
And I know from the outside, we made it look good, because it very much felt like one of those-- like a good stage kiss.
我从外面知道，我们让它看起来很好，因为它感觉就像其中之一——就像一个很好的舞台吻。
After their perfect first kiss, everything falls into place on cue.
在他们完美的初吻之后，一切都按部就班。
He invites her back to his apartment.
他邀请她回到他的公寓。
She flicks her cigarette to the curb.
她把香烟弹到路边。
He opens the door to the cab.
他打开出租车门。
She glides into the backseat.
她滑进后座。
More kissing ensues.
更多的接吻随之而来。
And I think that's probably the first time I've ever made out with anybody in the back of a cab.
我想这可能是我第一次在出租车后座上与人亲热。
[LAUGHS] I think I was probably like, oh, this cab driver's here.
[笑]我想我可能会想，哦，这个出租车司机在这里。
They make out all the way across Manhattan, over a bridge, and up five flights of stairs.
他们一路穿过曼哈顿，跨过一座桥，爬上五层楼梯。
Somehow, Geoffrey manages to unlock the door without removing his lips from Jillian's.
不知何故，杰弗里在嘴唇没有离开吉莉安嘴唇的情况下成功地打开了门。
This impresses her very much.
这让她印象非常深刻。
Everything is going so perfectly.
一切都进行得如此完美。
So then I use his bathroom because I've been drinking a lot of beer all night.
然后我就去他的浴室，因为我整晚都喝了很多啤酒。
And I'm so nervous.
我很紧张。
I notice that my hands are shaking in the mirror.
我注意到镜子里我的手在颤抖。
I'm so nervous.
我好紧张。
And I just look myself in the eye, and I actually gave myself a pep talk, like pointer fingers and dancing in the mirror and being like, this is everything you've waited for.
我只是看着自己的眼睛，实际上我给自己说了一句鼓舞的话，比如食指，在镜子里跳舞，就像，这就是你等待的一切。
It's actually happening.
这确实正在发生。
It's like excitement, nervous, I believe in you.
就像兴奋，紧张，我相信你。
Yeah.
是的。
Then Jillian encounters the first obstacle in what will turn out to be a very strange night for her.
然后吉莉安遇到了第一个障碍，这对她来说将是一个非常奇怪的夜晚。
And my whole heart just sinks.
我的整个心都沉了下去。
And I'm not actually going to be able to have sex with him.
我实际上无法与他发生性关系。
I just got my period.
我刚来月经。
I realize that making out with him in the back of the cab and just my cigarettes and my leather jacket, you know, it makes me seem like I was this really cool city girl, but the reality of who I am is this very nervous person who grew up very conservative, like very, very conservative.
我意识到，在出租车后座和他亲热，只有我的香烟和皮夹克，你知道，这让我看起来像是一个非常酷的城市女孩，但事实上我是谁，是一个非常紧张的人，成长过程中非常保守，非常非常保守。
Jillian grew up on a farm in rural Canada.
吉莉安在加拿大农村的一个农场长大。
This one time when she was young and got her period while wearing white pants, her whole family participated in a weird game of denial.
有一次，当她年轻的时候，穿着白裤子来月经时，她全家人都参与了一场奇怪的否认游戏。
Everyone just pretended like she sat in some jam.
每个人都假装她坐在果酱里。
She didn't even like to say the word period.
她甚至不喜欢说“时期”这个词。
It was something that was kind of like very hush-hush and not something I was used to discussing openly.
这有点像非常秘密的事情，而不是我习惯公开讨论的事情。
Jillian thinks, there's no way we can sleep together tonight.
吉莉安想，今晚我们不可能睡在一起了。
So she's disappointed, and she's stressing over how she's even going to tell him.
所以她很失望，并且正在为如何告诉他而感到紧张。
But she can't hide in the bathroom much longer.
但她不能再躲在浴室里太久了。
He's waiting on the other side of the door.
他在门的另一边等着。
So I left the bathroom, and it was like I stepped out into another world, this romantic world where he'd actually taken a scarf and put it over a lamp, so the lighting was this orange mood lighting.
所以我离开了浴室，就像我走进了另一个世界，这个浪漫的世界，他实际上拿了一条围巾，把它放在一盏灯上，所以灯光是橙色的情绪灯光。
And he didn't have a shirt on.
而且他没穿衬衫。
And my mind remembers him glistening.
我的脑海里还记得他闪闪发光。
He probably wasn't actually glistening, but that's how my mind remembers him.
他可能实际上并不闪闪发光，但这就是我的记忆中他的样子。
We checked.
我们检查了。
Her mind remembers right.
她的脑子记得没错。
Geoffrey told me, and he said, yes, this was very embarrassing looking back, but while she was in the bathroom, he slathered on baby oil to make his muscles pop.
杰弗里告诉我，他说，是的，现在回想起来这非常尴尬，但当她在浴室时，他涂了厚厚的婴儿油，让他的肌肉爆裂。
Anyway, they start to kiss.
不管怎样，他们开始接吻了。
And I remember at first being really into it, and then remembering my situation.
我记得一开始我真的很投入，然后记起了我的处境。
So my mouth does that thing where it curls up a little bit.
所以我的嘴会稍微卷曲起来。
And we kind of laugh a bit and he goes in to kiss me again, and I do that thing where I pull away again.
我们笑了一会儿，然后他又进去吻我，我又做了同样的事，然后又抽身离开。
And he was so sweet.
他是如此甜蜜。
He was like, wait, what's going on?
他说，等等，发生了什么事？
You know, he noticed it.
你知道，他注意到了。
He read it right away, and was like, we don't have to do this.
他立即读了它，然后说，我们不必这样做。
I want to be clear, nothing is expected of you in this situation.
我想澄清的是，在这种情况下，我们对你没有任何期望。
We don't have to have sex.
我们不必发生性行为。
And I was like, I want to.
我当时想，我想要。
I really-- like I honestly-- I want to.
我真的——老实说——我想要。
It's just-- and I kept trying to think of, how am I going to phrase this?
只是——我一直在想，我该如何表达呢？
I think of this thing that my roommate used to say.
我想起了我室友曾经说过的这句话。
She calls it her Aunt Flo.
她称其为弗洛阿姨。
So I look at him, and I tell him that my Aunt Flo has just landed and she's very much in town.
于是我看着他，告诉他我的弗洛阿姨刚刚落地，她就在城里。
And he gets a little bit confused.
他有点困惑。
[LAUGHTER] He asked me if my Aunt has just arrived at the airport and if I have to go see her or something.
[笑声] 他问我阿姨是否刚到机场，我是否必须去看她或其他什么。
So eventually, I just fess up.
所以最终，我承认了。
And I tell him, no, I have my period.
我告诉他，不，我有月经。
And I'm pretty sure I whispered it.
我很确定我是低声说的。
I'm pretty sure I was like, I have my (QUIETLY) period.
我很确定我当时想，我有我的（安静的）月经。
And he smiled this half-smile and was like, so?
他半笑了笑，然后说，所以呢？
I was like, so?
我当时想，所以呢？
What do you mean, so?
那么你是什么意思？
And he just-- he didn't care.
而他只是——他不在乎。
He didn't care.
他不在乎。
He was older than her, grew up with a bunch of sisters.
他比她大，和一群姐妹一起长大。
Jillian is briefly astonished, considers this totally new possibility, not caring, decides she's into it, and they start kissing again.
吉莉安短暂地感到惊讶，认为这是一种全新的可能性，并不在意，决定自己喜欢它，然后他们再次开始接吻。
And because this is a family show, I will just say that everything that happened next went really well.
因为这是一部家庭剧，所以我只能说接下来发生的一切都很顺利。
In fact, it was the first time this particular activity went quite so well for Jillian.
事实上，对于吉莉安来说，这是第一次这项特殊的活动如此顺利。
I felt like I finally understood what it was about.
我感觉我终于明白了它的意思。
I remember lying there and listening to his heartbeat.
我记得躺在那里听着他的心跳。
Yeah, and just listening to his heartbeat was such a comforting sound that I can still hear it so distinctly.
是的，光是听他的心跳声就是一种令人安慰的声音，我仍然可以清晰地听到它。
And after a while, he gets up to go to the bathroom, and he kind of flicks on that little light.
过了一会儿，他起身去洗手间，然后他打开了那盏小灯。
She's talking about the lamp by the bed.
她正在谈论床边的灯。
And I turn off that light.
然后我关掉那盏灯。
And he flicks it on again, and then I turn it back off.
他再次打开它，然后我又把它关掉。
And we have this little shared moment laughter.
我们分享了这一刻的欢笑。
And he leaves, and I turn the light on again, and it looks like a crime scene.
他离开了，我再次打开灯，看起来就像一个犯罪现场。
There is blood everywhere.
到处都是血。
This is the first time I had seen so much of my own menstrual fluid.
这是我第一次看到自己有这么多经血。
I was afraid of it.
我很害怕。
I couldn't even fathom what he was going to think about it.
我什至无法理解他会怎么想。
Just when Jillian thinks it can't get worse, she looks up from the bed.
正当吉莉安认为事情不会变得更糟时，她从床上抬起头来。
And then I don't know how this happened, but my very own like red, bloody hand print is on his white wall.
然后我不知道这是怎么发生的，但他的白色墙壁上有我自己的红色血手印。
[GASPS] Oh, my god.
[喘气]哦，天哪。
Jillian Welsh I just panicked.
吉莉安·威尔士 我只是惊慌失措。
Jillian tears the sheets off the bed and throws them aside.
吉莉安把床单从床上撕下来扔到一边。
Next, the hand print.
接下来是手印。
He didn't have any water or anything in his room, so I used my own saliva to wipe the bloody hand print off of the wall, like, out, out, damn spot.
他的房间里没有水或任何东西，所以我用自己的唾液擦掉墙上的血手印，就像，出去，出去，该死的地方。
[LAUGHTER] Diane Wu Next, she bundles up the sheets, but she has no idea what to do with them.
[笑声] Diane Wu 接下来，她把床单捆起来，但她不知道如何处理它们。
She starts to put them in the hamper, but then realizes that he would still have to take them and wash them himself, which she cannot bear to imagine.
她开始把它们放进篮子里，但后来发现他仍然要亲自接过它们并清洗它们，这是她无法想象的。
She peeks under his bed to see if she can stash them there, but then she thinks, no, no, that's crazy.
她偷看他的床底下，看看是否可以把它们藏在那里，但后来她想，不，不，这太疯狂了。
He'll still find them.
他还是会找到他们的。
Geoffrey will be out of the bathroom any minute.
杰弗里随时都会离开浴室。
She's running out of options.
她已经没有选择了。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Well, I have to get out of there.
好吧，我必须离开那里。
You're not going to get away with that, though.
不过，你不会侥幸逃脱的。
He's going to notice his sheets are gone.
他会发现他的床单不见了。
I know, but I wasn't thinking about that at the time.
我知道，但我当时并没有想到这一点。
All I could think of is that I didn't want him to have to wash these sheets.
我所能想到的就是我不想让他洗这些床单。
And I didn't want him to have to clean up my mess, I guess.
我想我不想让他来收拾我的烂摊子。
To cover her tracks, Jillian throws the comforter over the bed so you can't see the sheets are missing, straightens the pillows, and gets ready to bolt.
为了掩盖她的踪迹，吉莉安把被子扔到床上，这样你就看不到床单丢失了，然后拉直枕头，准备逃跑。
When Geoffrey comes back from the shower, she makes up a lame excuse about why she can't stay the night, something about having to go to work early the next morning.
当杰弗里洗完澡回来时，她编造了一个蹩脚的借口，解释为什么她不能过夜，比如第二天早上必须去上班。
She could tell how flimsy it sounded as she was saying it.
她听得出这话听起来有多么脆弱。
And I just, oh, it breaks my heart, but I remember him looking so hurt and so confused.
我只是，哦，这让我心碎，但我记得他看起来很受伤，很困惑。
I wish that I didn't leave.
我希望我没有离开。
Like, I wish that I had stayed, but--
就像，我希望我留下来，但是——
She didn't.
她没有。
Geoffrey offered to help Jillian hail a cab, but she was like, no, it's fine.
杰弗里主动提出帮吉莉安叫一辆出租车，但她说，不，没关系。
I'll just take the subway.
我就坐地铁吧。
She walked to the station, totally miserable.
她走到车站，心情十分沮丧。
Then it really hits me that I have stolen this man's sheets.
然后我才真正意识到我偷了这个人的床单。
How do you come back from that?
你是怎么回来的？
How do you-- how are you not the weird girl who took his bedsheets?
你怎么——你怎么不是那个拿走他床单的奇怪女孩？
Yeah.
是的。
Jillian Welsh So then I'm so inside myself and I hear this voice being like, ma'am, excuse me, ma'am.
Jillian Welsh 那么我内心深处就听到这个声音，女士，对不起，女士。
And I look up.
我抬起头。
And in New York, they have this station outside of subway entrances with this folding table and the NYPD stands behind.
在纽约，他们在地铁入口外设有一个带有折叠桌的车站，纽约警察局就站在后面。
And it's a random bag search.
这是随机的袋子搜查。
No!
不！
Diane Wu And here, Jillian does what any sensible leading lady would do when confronted by law enforcement.
吴黛安在这里，吉莉安做了任何明智的女主角在面对执法部门时都会做的事情。
I pretend I don't hear them.
我假装没有听到他们的声音。
And I try to exit the subway station in like a brisk, like, run-walk.
我试着像轻快的跑步一样离开地铁站。
And nothing looks more suspicious than trying to avoid a random bag search.
没有什么比试图避免随机搜查行李更可疑的了。
I'm sure.
我敢肯定。
I'm sure.
我敢肯定。
Jillian Welsh Yeah.
吉莉安·威尔士 是的。
Oh.
哦。
The officer catches up to Jillian, unzips her backpack, and pulls out the sheets, which are covered in blood.
警官追上吉莉安，拉开她背包的拉链，拉出沾满血迹的床单。
I remember him-- and the subway has such distinct lighting, like I just remember him holding up these sheets, my menstrual sheets of shame, like menstrual sheets of doom.
我记得他——地铁里有如此明显的灯光，就像我只记得他举着这些床单一样，我的耻辱月经床单，就像厄运的月经床单。
I realize that they didn't look like menstrual sheets of doom, they looked like murder sheets of doom.
我意识到它们看起来并不像月经的末日床单，它们看起来像谋杀的厄运床单。
[LAUGHTER] He asked me to explain it, and I just start crying.
[笑声]他让我解释一下，我就开始哭了。
And I can barely get the words out.
我几乎说不出话来。
I'm just trying to explain to him, it's my period on those sheets.
我只是想向他解释，这是我在床单上的时期。
And I stole the sheets from the guy that I was with.
我从和我在一起的那个人那里偷了床单。
And I know that that's wrong.
我知道这是错误的。
Like I know that the actual theft of the sheets is wrong.
就像我知道床单的实际盗窃是错误的。
And I promised the officer that I would return them, but I just needed to wash them first.
我向官员保证我会归还它们，但我只需先清洗它们即可。
The police officer looks Jillian up and down, asks for her ID, and points her to go stand in a little box taped on the floor by the wall.
警察上下打量了吉莉安，要求她出示身份证件，并示意她站在靠墙贴在地板上的一个小盒子里。
She watches him walk over to his partner and have a very serious-looking conversation.
她看着他走向他的伴侣，进行了一场非常严肃的谈话。
The sheets stay crumpled up on the plastic folding table.
床单皱巴巴地放在塑料折叠桌上。
Then he comes back, and gives me an ultimatum.
然后他回来了，给了我最后通牒。
So we can go down to the precinct and they can file a report and they've got to keep the sheets just in case it's evidence, you know, and they're going to ask me a bunch of questions and follow up, or I can take him back to the apartment, the apartment that I just came from, and have my partner corroborate my story.
所以我们可以去分局，他们可以提交一份报告，他们必须保留这些表格，以防万一成为证据，你知道，他们会问我一堆问题并跟进，或者我可以带他回到公寓，我刚来的公寓，让我的伴侣证实我的故事。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
Jillian Welsh And I had to think about it.
Jillian Welsh 我必须考虑一下。
Like, I honestly-- like, I honestly gave it a really solid, good think.
就像，老实说，我真的给了它一个非常可靠、好的想法。
There was a huge part of me that would rather go to the police station than have to go back and show Jeffery these-- not only show him these sheets, but also bring the police there.
我内心深处宁愿去警察局也不愿回去给杰弗里看这些——不仅给他看这些床单，而且还把警察带到那里。
But, you know, my common sense caught up with me of, this looks like I've done something very wrong.
但是，你知道，我的常识让我意识到，这看起来我做了一些非常错误的事情。
They make the long walk to Geoffrey's apartment, silently.
他们默默地走了很长一段路，来到了杰弗里的公寓。
They get to the doorstep and buzz, wait for Geoffrey to walk down five flights of stairs.
他们走到门口，嗡嗡作响，等待杰弗里走下五层楼梯。
When he gets there, the police officer does all the talking.
当他到达那里时，所有的谈话都是由警察进行的。
Good evening, do you know this woman?
晚上好，你认识这个女人吗？
Geoffrey says he does, that they'd just been hanging out.
杰弗里说他知道，他们只是一起出去玩。
Then the cop reaches into Jillian's backpack and pulls out the sheets.
然后警察把手伸进吉莉安的背包里，拉出床单。
Do you know what these are?
你知道这些是什么吗？
Geoffrey says, those are my sheets.
杰弗里说，那些是我的床单。
The police officer asks, can you identify the substance on these sheets?
警察问，你能辨认出这些纸上的物质吗？
And I just remember being fascinated, because without hesitating and almost in this stronger voice, he just says, menstrual fluid, which is like-- you know, I would call my period anything other than what it actually was.
我只记得我很着迷，因为他毫不犹豫地几乎用更强的声音说，月经液，这就像——你知道，我会把我的经期称为任何其他的东西，而不是它的实际情况。
So for him to look a police officer right in the eyes and just say very confidently, menstrual fluid, it was just-- it sounded so scientific and very grown up.
因此，他直视警察的眼睛，非常自信地说，月经液，这听起来很科学，也很成熟。
The cops, having fulfilled their narrative purpose and successfully reunited our couple, leave.
警察完成了他们的叙述目的并成功地让我们夫妇团聚，然后离开了。
And then I'm alone with Geoffrey.
然后我就和杰弗里单独在一起了。
And I'm trying to apologize to him, namely for stealing his sheets, but also just for everything, for bringing the police back to his house.
我试图向他道歉，即为偷了他的床单，但也为一切，为将警察带回他家而道歉。
Jillian remembers sobbing through all of this.
吉莉安记得在这一切过程中她一直在哭泣。
She's mortified.
她很羞愧。
All of a sudden, Geoffrey stops her and says this thing that still hits Jillian in a soft spot.
突然，杰弗里阻止了她，说了这句话，至今仍让吉莉安心痛不已。
He told me-- I just remember him looking at me and he's like, you're so strange.
他告诉我——我只记得他看着我，他说，你太奇怪了。
[LAUGHS] He said, wonderfully strange.
[笑]他说，非常奇怪。
Everything that you could possibly think of going wrong went wrong, and it all still turned out OK.
所有你可能认为会出错的事情都出错了，但结果仍然很好。
He still liked me, no matter what.
不管怎么样，他还是喜欢我。
This is like my favorite moment in any rom-com.
这是我在任何浪漫喜剧中最喜欢的时刻。
It's the scene in 10 Things I Hate About You when Julia Stiles reads her poem to Heath Ledger in front of the entire class.
这是《我讨厌你的十件事》中朱莉娅·斯蒂尔斯在全班面前向希斯·莱杰读她的诗的场景。
It's Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets telling Helen Hunt how he just can't believe she runs into strangers all day long, and they don't know that they just met the greatest woman alive.
《尽善尽美》中的杰克·尼科尔森告诉海伦·亨特，他简直不敢相信她整天都会遇到陌生人，而且他们不知道自己遇到了世上最伟大的女人。
And of course, it's Mark Darcy at the bottom of the stairs telling Bridget Jones, I like you very much, just as you are.
当然，马克·达西在楼梯底部告诉布里奇特·琼斯，我非常喜欢你，就像你一样。
To me, the whole point of rom-coms is to set up that line.
对我来说，浪漫喜剧的全部意义就是建立这条线。
It's what we all want to hear and say to the people we love most.
这是我们都想听到并对我们最爱的人说的话。
But real life doesn't guarantee a plot line that pushes us to say it.
但现实生活并不能保证有一个情节促使我们说出这些话。
Diane Wu, she's one of the producers of our show.
吴黛安，她是我们节目的制片人之一。
Jillian and Geoffrey dated for a few months, and then they broke it off when real life, new jobs, her expired visa from Canada, got in the way.
吉莉安和杰弗里约会了几个月，然后由于现实生活、新工作以及她过期的加拿大签证的阻碍，他们分手了。
She says she's glad it ended before anything bad happened.
她说她很高兴事情在发生任何不好的事情之前就结束了。
Keeps the memory sweet, just like a movie.
留下美好的回忆，就像电影一样。
Today, Jillian Welsh is a comedian in Toronto.
如今，吉莉安·威尔士是多伦多的一名喜剧演员。
A version of this story first aired on the RISK!
这个故事的一个版本首先在《RISK!》中播出。
Podcast.
播客。
Our program is produced today by Neil Drumming and Diane Wu.
今天我们的节目由 Neil Drumming 和 Diane Wu 制作。
The people who put our show together includes Elna Baker, Elise Bergerson, Ben Calhoun, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Whitney Dangerfield, Stephanie Foo, Damien Grave, Kimberly Henderson, Chana Joffe-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Seth Lind, Alvin Melathe, BA Parker, Ben Phelan, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierny, and Julie Whitaker.
制作我们节目的人员包括 Elna Baker、Elise Bergerson、Ben Calhoun、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Whitney Dangerfield、Stephanie Foo、Damien Grave、Kimberly Henderson、Chana Joffe-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Seth Lind、Alvin Melathe、BA Parker、Ben Phelan、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierny 和 Julie惠特克.
Our senior producer is Brian Reed.
我们的高级制片人是布莱恩·里德。
Our managing editor is Susan Burton.
我们的总编辑是苏珊·伯顿。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, thisamericanlife.org, This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
[致谢] 我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，《This American Life》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台提供。
Quick program note, our colleagues at our home station, WBEZ Chicago have a new podcast called Making Obama about Barack Obama's early years in Chicago, which features him, his friends, mentors, and rivals talking about his years in Chicago and his rise.
节目简介：我们在 WBEZ 芝加哥总部的同事推出了一个新播客，名为《Making Obama》，讲述巴拉克·奥巴马 (Barack Obama) 在芝加哥的早年经历，其中包括他、他的朋友、导师和竞争对手，谈论他在芝加哥的岁月和他的崛起。
It's six episodes, stuff I have never heard or read before about him.
这是六集，我以前从未听说过或读过有关他的内容。
Making Obama, get it wherever you get your podcasts.
让奥巴马，无论你在哪里播放播客，都能获得它。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he and I were reminiscing about that taxi ride we had years ago in England with Margaret Thatcher.
你知道，他和我正在回忆几年前我们和玛格丽特·撒切尔在英国乘坐出租车的经历。
And I think that's probably the first time I'd ever made out with anybody in the back of a cab.
我想这可能是我第一次在出租车后座上与任何人亲热。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Happy Valentine's Day.
情人节快乐。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。