63: One Thing - This American Life
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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 63 集 | 1997 年 5 月 9 日 63：一件事 注意：《美国生活》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
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Prologue Ira Glass For WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言 Ira Glass 为 WBEZ 芝加哥创作，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
I know how it is to beat somebody.
我知道打败别人是什么感觉。
I know how it is to pull the trigger, like drive by [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
我知道如何扣动扳机，就像驾驶[无法理解]一样。
I know what it is to pull the trigger.
我知道扣动扳机是什么。
I know what it is to stand in the middle of the street, like a stop sign, throwing out gang signs and expecting a bullet to come to you or somebody to just whack you in the head or something.
我知道站在马路中间是什么感觉，就像一个停车标志，扔出帮派标志，期待一颗子弹飞到你身上，或者有人会打你的头什么的。
From the time he was 13 until the time he was 17, Arnie's life was organized around one thing, the Latin Kings, a huge street gang here in Chicago.
从 13 岁到 17 岁，阿尼的生活都围绕着一件事组织起来：拉丁国王，芝加哥的一个巨大的街头帮派。
Then when he was 17, some kids dragged him to youth group and church services until one day, he felt the presence of the lord and he believed.
然后当他17岁的时候，一些孩子拉他去参加青年团体和教堂礼拜，直到有一天，他感觉到主的存在，他相信了。
And Arnie quit his gang.
阿尼退出了他的帮派。
He still organized his life around one thing, but now the one thing was God.
他仍然围绕一件事组织自己的生活，但现在那一件事就是上帝。
But when you quit a street gang, one of the problems that you face is that your former enemies do not know that you've quit.
但是，当您退出街头帮派时，您面临的问题之一是您以前的敌人不知道您已经退出。
They see you on the street and they come after you.
他们在街上看到你，就会追赶你。
And you don't have your old gang to protect you anymore.
而且你不再有你的老帮派来保护你了。
There's no way to let everybody know.
没办法让所有人都知道。
You can't just publish a notice in the federal register in the classified ads of your local paper.
您不能只在当地报纸的分类广告中发布联邦公报中的通知。
And so guys kept coming up to Arnie on the street trying to fight him or shoot him.
因此，人们不断地在街上找到阿尼，试图与他打斗或开枪射杀他。
Once, for example, some gang kids came up and Arnie happened to be walking with a guy who was a friend of theirs.
例如，有一次，一些帮派的孩子出现了，阿尼碰巧和一个他们的朋友一起散步。
So he jumped in front of me before they were going to shoot me and he goes, no, he's a Christian now.
所以他在他们要射杀我之前跳到我面前，他说，不，他现在是基督徒了。
He's a man of God.
他是神的人。
He's not a King anymore.
他不再是国王了。
That's the [UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE].
这就是[难以理解的短语]。
And the guy was like, no way, I know him.
那家伙说，不可能，我认识他。
He ain't no Christian.
他不是基督徒。
He was like move and then he was going to hit me, right?
他就像一动，然后他就要打我，对吧？
I was ready to start hitting people and just run.
我已经准备好开始打人了，然后就跑了。
You know just elbow him here, punch him here, and make so I can get out.
你知道，只要肘击他这里，打他这里，然后让我可以出去。
It's like my mind was ready, boom, take control.
就好像我的思想已经准备好了，轰隆隆，掌控一切。
Just start fighting.
就开始战斗吧。
But I just like, wait a minute.
但我只是喜欢，等一下。
No, I'm not going to do that.
不，我不会那样做。
God has changed me.
神改变了我。
I'm a new creation like it says in the bible.
正如圣经中所说，我是一个新造的人。
Therefore, anybody who's in Christ a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come.
因此，任何在基督里的人都是新造的人，旧的已经过去，新的已经来到。
And I am the new that has come.
我是新来的。
I just looked around.
我只是环顾四周。
I was just like, hey.
我当时就想，嘿。
I just said, look, I'm a man of God now.
我只是说，看，我现在是神的人了。
You do what you got to do.
你做你必须做的事。
You know what I'm saying?
你知道我在说什么吗？
But I don't gang bang no more.
但我不再群殴了。
And soon I hope to see you in our church praise the lord together.
很快我希望看到你们在我们的教会里一起赞美主。
So he was like, man.
所以他就像，伙计。
So he got mad, real mad.
于是他就生气了，真的生气了。
He just said, forget you, man.
他只是说，忘了你吧，伙计。
And he walked away and all his boys walked back to the car and they didn't do nothing to me.
然后他走开了，他所有的孩子都走回车上，他们没有对我做任何事。
Arnie told me a lot of these stories.
阿尼给我讲了很多这样的故事。
And they're all like stories from the Bible.
它们都像圣经中的故事。
The stories where Paul goes out among the non-believers and they want to hurt him and he's filled with the holy spirit, the bible says.
圣经说，保罗到非信徒中间去，他们想要伤害他，而他却被圣灵充满了。
And then for some reason, because I guess he's filled with the holy spirit, they do not hurt him.
然后出于某种原因，因为我猜他被圣灵充满了，所以他们不会伤害他。
Sometimes Arnie think his life is lot like those stories.
有时阿尼觉得他的生活很像那些故事。
The one I like the best is Stephen in the Book of Acts when he got stoned.
我最喜欢的是《使徒行传》中的司提反被石头打死时的情景。
I love that story because I feel like Stephen is me.
我喜欢这个故事，因为我觉得斯蒂芬就是我。
Yeah, like I'm Stephen.
是的，就像我是斯蒂芬一样。
I'm not, but like we got the same spirits, which we do.
我不是，但就像我们有同样的精神，我们确实如此。
How they have him ready to persecute him and he's like, he's not afraid to tell the truth.
他们如何让他准备好迫害他，而他就像，他并不害怕说出真相。
In other words, he's down for his.
换句话说，他已经为自己的事感到沮丧了。
He's willing to live and die for what he believes in.
他愿意为自己的信仰而生，为自己的信仰而死。
Just like when you're willing to live and die for gang bang.
就像你愿意为群交而生、为死而生一样。
Like me, I was a Latin King.
和我一样，我也是一位拉丁国王。
You know what I'm saying?
你知道我在说什么吗？
You got to live and die for that crown, right?
你必须为那顶王冠而生，为之而死，对吧？
And that's what he was dying for.
这就是他所渴望的。
He was dying for God.
他为神而死。
You know, our lord.
你知道，我们的主。
He's there, he's been done.
他在那里，他已经完成了。
He's standing up firm.
他站得很稳。
He's like, I don't care about anybody.
他就像，我不关心任何人。
Just like when you're on the street.
就像你在街上时一样。
I don't care.
我不在乎。
I'm a Latin King.
我是拉丁国王。
What's up?
这是怎么回事？
You know, I don't care.
你知道，我不在乎。
What's up?
这是怎么回事？
They beat their chests with their gang sign.
他们用帮派标志捶胸顿足。
You know, what's up?
你知道，怎么了？
What's up?
这是怎么回事？
I'm this and this and that.
我是这个、这个、那个。
They're not afraid or ashamed to say who they are.
他们并不害怕或羞于说出自己是谁。
There are people for whom everything in the world comes down to one thing.
对有些人来说，世界上的一切都归结为一件事。
One idea, one belief, and they organize their whole understanding of the world around that belief.
一种想法，一种信念，他们围绕该信念组织对世界的整个理解。
The belief might be God, or free market economics, or animal rights, or the ozone layer.
这种信仰可能是上帝，或者自由市场经济，或者动物权利，或者臭氧层。
And some people structure their lives around collecting old records, or around sex, or theater, or politics, or Star Trek , or basketball.
有些人的生活围绕着收集旧唱片、性、戏剧、政治、星际迷航或篮球。
I've been a one thing person.
我一直是一个只做一件事的人。
Maybe you've been a one thing person too.
也许你也是一个只做一件事的人。
Arnie certainly was.
阿尼当然是。
And his new one thing, the lord, filled the same place in his life that the old one thing, the gang, used to.
他的新事物——领主，在他的生活中占据了与旧事物——帮派——所占据的相同位置。
You know, sometimes I want to give it all, just like I give it all to my gang.
你知道，有时我想付出一切，就像我把一切都奉献给我的帮派一样。
I want to give it all to him.
我想把一切都给他。
Even double, you know.
甚至双倍，你知道。
I want to die for the lord.
我愿意为主而死。
I don't care if I get crucified.
我不在乎我是否会被钉在十字架上。
I don't care if they shoot me.
我不在乎他们是否向我开枪。
You feel the same way about Christianity as you did about the gang?
你对基督教的感觉和你对帮派的感觉一样吗？
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
It's like I have the same mentality and the same heart, but now it's for a different reason and a different person.
就好像我有同样的心态，同样的心，但现在却因为不同的原因，不同的人了。
Well, today on our program, One Thing People.
好吧，今天我们的节目《人们一件事》。
People who organize their lives around just one idea and the price they pay for that.
人们只围绕一个想法和为此付出的代价来组织自己的生活。
Act One, when your one thing is your ex-girlfriend.
第一幕，当你的一件事是你的前女友时。
Act Two, Inescapable Logic.
第二幕，不可避免的逻辑。
What happens when you take a utopian vision of nudism, yes, nudism, to its logical end as your one thing.
当你将裸体主义的乌托邦愿景（是的，裸体主义）视为你的一件事时，会发生什么？
This is the true story of a nude presidential candidate.
这是一位裸体总统候选人的真实故事。
Act Three, more than one thing.
第三幕，不止一件事。
How journalist Philip Weiss came to agree with some Clinton conspiracy theorists, but decided not to follow their cause.
记者菲利普·韦斯如何同意一些克林顿阴谋论者的观点，但决定不追随他们的事业。
Act Four, Quitting Quitting.
第四幕，戒烟戒烟。
Regrets from a former one-thinger.
对以前的一件事感到遗憾。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Life Without Leanne.
第一幕，没有莉安的生活。
Well, let's start our show with the kind of one thing behavior most people at some point or another have gone through themselves.
好吧，让我们从大多数人在某个时刻经历过的一件事行为开始我们的节目。
Taken, perhaps just a step or two further than most of us have taken it.
采取的行动，也许只是比我们大多数人采取的行动更进一步了一两步。
Good evening and welcome to Life Without Leanne.
晚上好，欢迎收看《没有莉安的生活》。
I'm Larry and this is day 683.
我是拉里，今天是第 683 天。
That's nearly 98 weeks since Leanne and I broke up.
我和 Leanne 分手已经快 98 周了。
We're going to start out, as always, with our Leanne watcher of the week.
我们将一如既往地从本周的 Leanne 观察员开始。
My kudos go out to Mike of Evanston, Illinois, who called in with this eloquent report on a brief encounter he had with Leanne on April 28.
我向来自伊利诺伊州埃文斯顿的迈克表示敬意，他打来电话，雄辩地报告了 4 月 28 日他与 Leanne 的短暂会面。
Hey, Larry.
嘿，拉里。
I love the show.
我喜欢这个节目。
Listen, I ran into Leanne last week.
听着，我上周遇到了莉安。
She lost some weight, but she's still beautiful.
她瘦了一些，但仍然很漂亮。
She said she's been exercising, taking classes, doing this, doing that.
她说她一直在锻炼、上课、做这个、做那个。
But it appeared to me that she was struggling to fill some void.
但在我看来，她正在努力填补一些空白。
Your name didn't come up, but it wasn't so much what she said as what she didn't say.
你的名字没有出现，但与其说她说了些什么，不如说她没说了什么。
Thanks, Mike.
谢谢，迈克。
I think we all know what she was trying to say.
我想我们都知道她想说什么。
I wish it all could be such good news.
我希望这一切都是这样的好消息。
But unfortunately, Operation Terrible Mistake has not been the success that we anticipated and I'm afraid we may have to rethink our strategy.
但不幸的是，“可怕错误行动”并没有取得我们预期的成功，恐怕我们可能不得不重新考虑我们的策略。
As you may recall from our April 20 program, the objectives of Operation Terrible Mistake were to one, apply societal pressure.
您可能还记得我们 4 月 20 日的节目，“可怕错误行动”的目标之一是施加社会压力。
Two, foster emotional uncertainty.
第二，培养情绪的不确定性。
Three, precipitate reevaluation.
三、沉淀再评价。
And ideally, four, achieve reconciliation.
理想情况下，四是实现和解。
When I brought up this plan, I suggested the following conversation starter when you would run into Leanne on the street or something.
当我提出这个计划时，当你在街上遇到 Leanne 之类的时候，我建议使用以下对话开头。
I suggested that you say something like, "Leanne, I was so sorry to hear about you and Larry.
我建议你这样说：“莉安，听到你和拉里的事我很遗憾。
You make such a wonderful couple, so I don't mind telling you I think you are making a terrible mistake.
你们是一对如此美妙的情侣，所以我不介意告诉你我认为你犯了一个可怕的错误。
This is my own personal opinion on the matter."
这是我个人对此事的看法。”
Now unfortunately, a number of well meaning individuals took this suggestion rather more literally than I intended and repeated it verbatim to Leanne.
不幸的是，一些善意的人比我本意更从字面上理解了这个建议，并逐字向 Leanne 重复了它。
And some of it sounds like you were practicing it and it created an effect other than the one I desired.
有些听起来像是你在练习，但它产生的效果与我想要的效果不同。
I've now received word through an intermediary that Leanne request that I quote, "Call off the zombies," unquote.
我现在通过中间人收到消息，莉安要求我引用“叫走僵尸”，不要引用。
We will honor her wishes as always.
我们将一如既往地尊重她的愿望。
But I must emphasize, I cannot be held responsible for the behavior of individuals acting on their own initiative.
但我必须强调，我不能对个人主动行动的行为负责。
When Leanne was Little, number 36 in the series.
Leanne 小时候，该系列的第 36 号。
At our regular Monday lunch, Leanne's mother told me a cute story.
在我们周一的例行午餐上，莉安的妈妈给我讲了一个可爱的故事。
She says that when Leanne was seven, she fell while roller skating and badly skinned her knee.
她说，莉安七岁时，在滑旱冰时摔倒，膝盖严重擦伤。
There was no permanent scarring fortunately.
幸运的是，没有留下永久性疤痕。
In an effort to console her, Leanne's mother recalls telling Leanne, if you don't stop crying, your boo-boo is going to think you don't like him.
为了安慰她，莉安的母亲回忆道，她告诉莉安，如果你不停止哭泣，你的宝贝就会认为你不喜欢他。
And that's why, to this day, Leanne endearingly refers to minor cuts and scrapes as Mr. Boo.
这就是为什么直到今天，Leanne 仍亲切地将轻微的割伤和擦伤称为“Boo 先生”。
I've got the minutes to the most recent Leanne Anonymous Meeting, which I'll read to you now.
我有最近一次 Leanne 匿名会议的会议记录，现在我将向您宣读。
It was our first meeting at Gatsby's.
这是我们第一次在盖茨比家见面。
The bartender, Mark, graciously accommodated us by closing off the back room and supplying extra folding chairs.
调酒师马克慷慨地接待了我们，关闭了后面的房间并提供了额外的折叠椅。
All in attendance praised the wisdom of moving these meetings from my apartment, which some of them had complained was not in neutral territory and it was getting kind of cramped in any case.
所有与会者都称赞将这些会议从我的公寓移开是明智的，其中一些人抱怨说，我的公寓不在中立地区，而且无论如何都变得有点拥挤。
On a related matter, Mark told me privately after the meeting that he appreciates our patronage, but he asks that in the future we try not to monopolize the jukebox.
关于相关问题，马克在会后私下告诉我，他感谢我们的惠顾，但他要求我们以后尽量不要垄断点唱机。
Or at least try to play a variety of songs.
或者至少尝试播放各种歌曲。
He's threatening to remove all the Hank Williams selections if he doesn't see some improvement.
他威胁说，如果他没有看到任何改进，他将删除所有汉克·威廉姆斯的选择。
So let's all try to work some Patsy Cline in there or something, OK?
所以，让我们都尝试在那里工作一些 Patsy Cline 之类的，好吗？
Meeting started out.
会议开始了。
We ordered a first round and at Tom's suggestion, we dispensed with the reading of the minutes.
我们订购了第一轮，根据汤姆的建议，我们省去了阅读会议记录。
We proceeded immediately to old business.
我们立即继续老事。
The continuing debate on Leanne's eyes and whether they are turbulent sea green or sand fleck moon blue.
关于莉安的眼睛是汹涌的海绿色还是沙斑月蓝色的争论仍在继续。
They are, by the way, a sand fleck moon blue.
顺便说一句，它们是沙斑月色的。
But when it appeared there could be no middle ground on the issue, Dick stood up and announced, hey, you know, like Elton John says, who cares if they're blue or they're green.
但当这个问题似乎没有中间立场时，迪克站起来宣布，嘿，你知道，就像埃尔顿·约翰说的那样，谁在乎它们是蓝色还是绿色。
Those are the sweetest eyes I've ever seen.
这是我见过的最甜蜜的眼睛。
The motion to adopt Dick's language carried unanimously and we collected more change for the jukebox.
采用迪克语言的动议获得一致通过，我们为自动点唱机收集了更多零钱。
We ordered another round and conversation turned naturally to the rest of Leanne.
我们又点了一轮，谈话自然而然地转向了莉安的其他人。
Her quirky, perky nose, her funny, sunny smile, the perfect curve or her neck.
她古怪、活泼的鼻子，她有趣、阳光的微笑，她完美的曲线或脖子。
Her soft shoulders and so on.
她柔软的肩膀等等。
Until petty jealousies precluded further discussion.
直到小小的嫉妒阻止了进一步的讨论。
Soon thereafter, we took a break to order some more refreshments, and then it was time to welcome new members.
不久之后，我们休息了一下，又点了一些茶点，然后就到了欢迎新成员的时候了。
This stubby and not particularly attractive man who had been spotted with Leanne as recently as mid January stood up and he said, My name's Harry and I love Leanne.
这个粗短且不是特别有魅力的男人在一月中旬被发现和莉安在一起，他站起来说，我叫哈利，我爱莉安。
Harry then related his long, sad tale.
然后哈利讲述了他漫长而悲伤的故事。
The details of which we are all too familiar with.
我们都非常熟悉其中的细节。
He ended with that same old refrain, she met this guy.
他以同样的老话结束，她遇到了这个人。
She says she's deliriously happy.
她说她高兴极了。
That prompted Gunther, who really doesn't speak very often to speak up.
这促使平时不常说话的冈瑟站出来说话。
She's deliriously happy, eh?, he said, staring into his beer.
她高兴极了，是吗？”他盯着啤酒说道。
That guy is doomed.
那家伙就完蛋了。
Those who could still laugh about it, did.
那些还能笑的人确实笑了。
Really, Harry said.
真的，哈利说。
So you think then, there's a chance I could win her back?
那么你认为我有机会赢回她吗？
This question prompted extensive debate, leading to the inevitable threats of violence.
这个问题引发了广泛的争论，导致了不可避免的暴力威胁。
It only ceased when Quentin moved that we change the name of the group from Lovers of Leanne to Victims of Leanne.
当昆汀提议我们将乐队的名称从《Lovers of Leanne》改为《Victims of Leanne》时，这种情况才停止。
That motion was soundly defeated of course, and we voted to adjourn.
当然，这项动议被彻底否决，我们投票决定休会。
Elmo closed the meeting by singing "Oh, Leanne." Including this new verse that had recently come to him in a dream.
埃尔莫以歌曲《哦，莉安》结束了会议。包括最近在梦中出现的这首新诗句。
I have a recording.
我有录音。
[SINGING] Oh, Leanne.
[唱歌]哦，莉安。
I love you.
我爱你。
Love you.
爱你。
Still.
仍然。
I love you.
我爱你。
I love you.
我爱你。
I love you.
我爱你。
Still.
仍然。
I always will.
我永远都会。
It's about Leanne.
是关于莉安的。
Larry Doyle OK, a Leanne announcement.
拉里·多伊尔（Larry Doyle）好的，莉安的公告。
My special friend, Jane, who has been so supportive during this difficult time has suggested that there might be a need for a group addressing the concerns of the lovers of the lovers of Leanne.
我的特别朋友简在这个困难时期给予了我很大的支持，她建议可能需要成立一个小组来解决莉安恋人的恋人的担忧。
Anybody who knows somebody who might be interested in such a group should have them write LeanneANON in care of this station.
任何认识对这样一个团体感兴趣的人的人都应该让他们写信 LeanneANON 来管理这个电台。
We all know what that music means.
我们都知道音乐的含义。
It's time for this week's Leanne challenge.
是时候进行本周的 Leanne 挑战了。
Leanne is what she eats, but how well do you know what she eats?
Leanne就是她吃的东西，但是你对她吃的东西了解多少呢？
Everybody knows Leanne likes horseradish on her hamburgers.
大家都知道莉安喜欢在她的汉堡包里加辣根。
But what kind of horseradish?
但什么样的辣根呢？
OK, here's a hint.
好的，这是一个提示。
She received a case of it last Christmas.
去年圣诞节她收到了一箱。
The answer to last week's challenge was, you guessed it, from left to right.
你猜对了，上周挑战的答案是从左到右。
I know a lot of people thought there was a trick to that question, but there wasn't.
我知道很多人认为这个问题有技巧，但事实并非如此。
Time for the mail.
到了邮寄邮件的时间了。
The mail ran heavy this week with entries to the Candid Leanne Photo Contest.
本周，来自“偷拍莉安摄影大赛”参赛作品的邮件堆积如山。
I think I need to remind everybody that the rules clearly state that Leanne must be the only person shown in the photograph.
我想我需要提醒大家，规则明确规定Leanne必须是照片中唯一出现的人。
In case any of you want to resubmit, I'm going to extend the deadline for two weeks until May 23.
如果你们中有人想重新提交，我将把截止日期延长两周，直到 5 月 23 日。
Please remember entries can't be returned.
请记住，参赛作品无法退回。
OK, first letter.
好的，第一个字母。
One of our far-flung correspondents, Myles, writes from Lexington, Kentucky.
我们的一位远方通讯员迈尔斯在肯塔基州列克星敦撰文。
I'm going to be in town in the near future and I was hoping to finally meet this Leanne I've heard so much about.
不久的将来我要去城里，我希望最终能见到这个我听说过很多次的 Leanne。
Do you have her phone number and address where I can write her directly?
你有她的电话号码和地址吗？我可以直接写信给她吗？
Well, Myles, there's really no need for that.
好吧，迈尔斯，确实没有必要。
Why don't you just send your correspondence to Leanne in care of me and I'll make sure she gets it.
你为什么不把你的信件寄给莉安，让我代为保管，我会确保她收到。
And we also have a letter here from Reggie of Buffalo Grove, Illinois, who writes in.
我们还有一封来自伊利诺伊州布法罗格罗夫的雷吉写来的信。
I think this is very interesting.
我认为这很有趣。
We've gotten a number of letters like this.
我们已经收到好几封这样的来信了。
He writes, Larry, isn't it time you got on with your life?
他写道，拉里，你是不是该继续你的生活了？
It's been nearly two years since Leanne broke up with you.
莉安和你分手已经快两年了。
Actually, we're a couple weeks short of that, but anyway.
事实上，我们还差几周时间，但无论如何。
He says, it's been actually two years since Leanne broke up with you and I hate to tell you, pal, but it's over.
他说，莉安和你分手实际上已经两年了，我不想告诉你，朋友，但一切都结束了。
O-V-E-R.
超过。
But listen, he says, there are a lot of other chicks in the sea, my friend.
但是听着，他说，海里还有很多其他小鸡，我的朋友。
And they're yours for the picking.
它们供您挑选。
Go for it.
大胆试试吧。
Well, Reggie.
好吧，雷吉。
I don't know quite how to answer that.
我不太知道如何回答这个问题。
It's difficult to determine exactly what it is you're driving at.
很难准确地确定您的驾驶目的是什么。
I mean, I'm afraid I don't share your bitter perspective and I don't really get all of your playground aphorisms.
我的意思是，恐怕我不同意你的痛苦观点，我也不太明白你所有的操场格言。
But please understand when I suggest this.
但当我提出这个建议时请理解。
You know nothing about love.
你对爱情一无所知。
But thanks for the letter, Regg.
但谢谢你的来信，雷格。
Your Larry Loves Leanne t-shirt is in the mail.
您的 Larry Loves Leanne T 恤已邮寄。
That's it for Life Without Leanne this week.
这就是本周《没有莉安的生活》的内容。
And let's hope it's the last week.
希望这是最后一周。
I'm Larry and I love Leanne.
我是拉里，我爱莉安。
Larry Doyle writes for The Simpsons and wishes it known that he now loves Becky.
拉里·多伊尔为《辛普森一家》撰稿，并希望人们知道他现在爱着贝基。
Act Two, Inescapable Logic.
第二幕，不可避免的逻辑。
When you're seized by one idea, by one thing, it's not like you choose it.
当你被一个想法、一件事所占据时，这并不是你选择的。
It's like it chooses you.
就好像它选择了你一样。
And often the one thing has a logic to it that seems inescapable.
通常，一件事有一个似乎不可避免的逻辑。
These are perfectly logical consistent systems once you get inside them.
一旦你进入其中，这些都是逻辑上完全一致的系统。
Macrobiotics, Mormonism, the JFK assassination theories.
长寿论、摩门教、肯尼迪刺杀理论。
This is a story of someone who found the logic of his one thing irresistible and he followed that logic to its logical end.
这是一个故事，讲述的是一个人发现他的一件事的逻辑是不可抗拒的，并且他遵循这个逻辑达到了合乎逻辑的结果。
And it's the story of what happened to him as a result.
这就是他因此而发生的事情的故事。
This is a true story set in 1976.
这是发生在1976年的真实故事。
Chicago playwright, Beau O'Reilly, tells this story.
芝加哥剧作家博·奥莱利讲述了这个故事。
Before we begin, a quick parental advisory.
在我们开始之前，先给大家一个简短的家长建议。
There is nudity in this story.
这个故事中有裸体。
No sex, nothing very explicit, but there is nudity.
没有性，没有什么非常露骨的内容，但有裸体。
Eddie Hickock Collins taught high school English in Baldwin, Long Island.
埃迪·希科克·柯林斯 (Eddie Hickock Collins) 在长岛鲍德温教高中英语。
Remedial readers whose attention spans kept them far away from Herman Melville or Nathaniel Hawthorne.
补救型读者的注意力集中使他们远离赫尔曼·梅尔维尔或纳撒尼尔·霍桑。
Holden Caulfield in Catcher in The Rye , those seemed just right to Eddie, despite the fact that Catcher in The Rye was on the banned bookshelf of the school library.
《麦田里的守望者》中的霍尔顿·考菲尔德对艾迪来说似乎恰到好处，尽管《麦田里的守望者》被放在学校图书馆的禁书架上。
The library didn't like the use of the F word on page 201 of Catcher in The Rye .
图书馆不喜欢《麦田里的守望者》第 201 页上使用 F 字。
But page 201 was Eddie Collins' favorite page.
但第 201 页是埃迪·柯林斯 (Eddie Collins) 最喜欢的页面。
And he figured his remedial readers would love it too.
他认为他的补习读者也会喜欢它。
His young hooligans who all wanted and needed to get naked and needed page 201 thought Eddie.
埃迪想，他那些年轻的流氓们都想要、需要裸体，需要第 201 页。
The school soon gave notice though.
不过学校很快就发出了通知。
Under no circumstances was he to teach that dirty Catcher in The Rye.
在任何情况下，他都不能教《麦田里》那个肮脏的守望者。
The F word, beloved page 201.
F字，心爱的第201页。
They were deemed questionable and inappropriate.
他们被认为是有问题和不适当的。
Eddie began reading the book aloud to his remedial class that day.
那天，埃迪开始在辅导班上大声朗读这本书。
And the remedial readers all took notice.
补救的读者都注意到了。
They nodded and they grunted at all the good parts.
他们点点头，对所有好的部分都发出咕哝声。
And running their long, adolescent fingers over and over through their greasy pompadours as good, old Holden Caulfield rolled along.
青春期的修长手指一遍又一遍地抚摸着油腻的蓬巴杜，而善良的老霍尔顿·考菲尔德则滚动着。
And cheering and chanting out the F word when Eddie tore into page 201.
当埃迪撕开第 201 页时，人们欢呼雀跃，大声喊出“脏话”。
Edward Hickock Collins was fired from teaching high school English in Baldwin, Long Island.
爱德华·希科克·柯林斯 (Edward Hickock Collins) 因在长岛鲍德温教高中英语而被解雇。
And he spent the rest of that year pacing in front of the fireplace at his mother's house.
那一年剩下的时间里，他都在母亲家的壁炉前踱步。
It was a cold winter, but Eddie was already heated up from his recent battle with censorship, so Eddie pulled off more and more of his clothes.
那是一个寒冷的冬天，但艾迪已经因为最近与审查制度的斗争而变得热起来，所以艾迪脱下了越来越多的衣服。
His shirt, his shoes, his pants.
他的衬衫，他的鞋子，他的裤子。
And he flung them in all directions.
他把它们扔向各个方向。
Eddie built up the fire and he sweated aloud.
埃迪生起了火，他大汗淋漓。
If he couldn't teach the F word, how could he live free?
如果他不能教F字，他怎么能自由地生活？
That he demanded of himself.
这是他对自己的要求。
The F word, the sex act.
F字，性行为。
That had to be naked and lovely.
那必须是赤裸的、可爱的。
That felt right and right felt natural.
这感觉是对的，而且是理所当然的。
And why hide that, Eddie thought.
为什么要隐藏这一点，埃蒂想。
And that's when he first thought it.
那是他第一次这么想的时候。
He would never dress again.
他再也不会穿衣服了。
You know how an idea catches and grabs a hold of you?
你知道一个想法是如何抓住你的吗？
Maybe you've had that.
也许你也有过这样的经历。
An idea that speaks to your most private imaginings and your deepest hurt feelings, your most secret strange joys.
这个想法表达了你最私人的想象、你最深的受伤感受、你最隐秘的奇怪的快乐。
And that idea says, here I am.
这个想法说，我在这里。
Change everything because I'm here.
改变一切，因为我在这里。
I'm perfect.
我很完美。
I'm enlightened by sexuality.
我被性启发了。
I'm the new laughing cure for cancer.
我是治疗癌症的新笑疗法。
I am my body and shape and in perfect yoga pose.
我就是我的身体和形状，并且处于完美的瑜伽姿势。
And these ideas fuel so crucial that the access of your world turns to embrace them.
这些想法至关重要，以至于你们的世界开始拥抱它们。
Eddie's idea felt like that.
艾迪的想法就是这样。
And Eddie's idea was naked and it was obvious.
而艾迪的想法是赤裸裸的、显而易见的。
It was without guilt or second thought.
没有任何内疚或再三考虑。
Nudity.
裸露。
Nudity now.
现在裸体。
Eddie ran naked all the way to the high school.
艾迪一路赤身裸体跑到了高中。
It was his first nude run.
这是他第一次裸体跑步。
His body was flapping like a ship that has come free of its moorings and is now spinning and reckless in the surf.
他的身体像一艘脱离系泊的船一样拍打着，在海浪中鲁莽地旋转。
And at the high school, all his former students, the remedial readers, they were playing manic playground basketball.
在高中，他以前的所有学生，补习读者，都在操场上打篮球。
And Eddie happily ran out on the court.
艾迪高兴地跑到了球场上。
He wanted to dunk a few in the glorious springtime.
他想在这灿烂的春天里扣几记扣篮。
Dunk a few and then tell the smart guys of his new vision of freedom.
扣篮几下，然后告诉聪明人他对自由的新愿景。
And Eddie yelled in his joy as he hit the court, but his remedial readers weren't glad to see him.
埃迪在上场时高兴地大喊，但他的补习读者并不高兴见到他。
They turned away, laughing, embarrassed by Eddie's nakedness.
他们笑着转过身去，对艾迪的裸体感到尴尬。
And they refused to pass him the ball.
他们拒绝把球传给他。
And when Eddie persisted, he leaped at each one of the boys in turn.
当埃迪坚持不懈时，他依次向每个男孩扑去。
One of them grabbed the ball and smacked it into Eddie's face hard.
其中一个抓住了球，狠狠地砸在了埃迪的脸上。
So hard the ball flip stung and bled and Eddie's eyes filled with tears.
球翻转得太厉害，刺痛了埃蒂，流血了，埃蒂的眼睛里充满了泪水。
Eddie was lost then.
埃迪当时就迷路了。
The remedial readers surrounded and hounded him.
补习班的读者围着他追赶他。
Oh, they flicked popsicle sticks and clouds of dirt at his exposed penis and his poor back side.
哦，他们向他裸露的阴茎和可怜的背部扔了冰棍棒和灰尘。
And Eddie slammed the door of his mother's house.
埃迪关上了他母亲家的门。
He was crying and he was shaking.
他在哭泣，在颤抖。
And all the remedial readers, they gathered in a pack outside.
而所有的补习读者，都聚集在外面。
They were flushed and they talked themselves into a deeper hatred.
他们满脸通红，并说服自己加深了仇恨。
And one of them grabbed a brick and threw it through Eddie's mother's picture window and shattered it.
其中一个抓起一块砖头，把它扔进埃迪母亲的观景窗，把它砸碎了。
And then there was such a roar of rage and hurt and it just ripped through Eddie's brain and he grabbed the same brick and he threw it back through the same window.
然后是一声愤怒和伤害的咆哮，它撕裂了艾迪的大脑，他抓住了同一块砖头，然后把它从同一扇窗户扔了回去。
The remaining glass just flying.
剩下的玻璃飞了。
And then, Eddie jumped through the now open window, falling and gashing his poor hands and his poor feet.
然后，埃迪从打开的窗户跳了出去，摔倒了，划伤了他可怜的手和脚。
The remedial readers running in all directions.
补习的读者四散奔逃。
Eddie landing on a lawn of glass.
艾迪降落在一片玻璃草坪上。
And when he looked up in the sky, written in huge letters of flaming black and red six feet high were the words, "Why?
当他抬头望向天空时，六英尺高的黑色和红色的巨大字母写着这样的话：“为什么？
Don't ask why.
别问为什么。
Live."
居住。”
And right then, something deep exploded in Eddie.
就在那时，埃迪内心深处爆发了某种东西。
And his face and his heart, his whole being, flushed with joy.
他的脸、他的心、他的整个人都因喜悦而通红。
Shock treatments are serious and they're undermining.
休克治疗很严重，而且会造成破坏。
And in Eddie, they led him to a decade of quiet years.
而在埃迪身上，他们带领他度过了十年的平静岁月。
Years in which he memorized D.H.
他记忆 D.H. 的年份
Lawrence's Women in Love from cover to cover.
劳伦斯的《恋爱中的女人》从头到尾。
But his body, his naked body, lay in waiting.
但他的身体，他赤裸的身体，正等待着。
Impatient for the day when the clothes would come off and his body could go public again.
迫不及待地盼望着有一天，衣服会被脱掉，他的身体会再次公开。
Eddie Hickock Collins came to Dekalb, Illinois, to work on the railroad.
埃迪·希科克·柯林斯 (Eddie Hickock Collins) 来到伊利诺伊州迪卡尔布，在铁路上工作。
And he grew a huge, red beard that shouted out a fanfare wherever he went.
他留着巨大的红胡子，无论走到哪里都会大喊大叫。
The Palace was our vegetarian restaurant theater and coffeehouse.
宫殿是我们的素食餐厅、剧院和咖啡馆。
It was work and it was home for we young anti-war hippies.
对于我们年轻的反战嬉皮士来说，这是工作，也是家。
It was a workshop for our ideas on how to change the troubled world that we'd been given by our parents.
这是一个研讨会，我们的想法是如何改变父母给我们带来的混乱世界。
But it was also a refuge.
但它也是一个避难所。
And a magnet, a magnet for people who were obsessed with one idea.
还有一块磁铁，一块吸引那些痴迷于一个想法的人的磁铁。
And for the odd.
对于奇怪的事情。
If your father was a mason and now you'd lost your chi and you were doomed to wander the five room universe of The Palace looking for it.
如果你的父亲是一名石匠，现在你失去了气，你注定要在宫殿的五个房间的宇宙中徘徊寻找它。
If you were hopelessly shy and allergic to the 20th century, and everything that made it tick.
如果你非常害羞并且对 20 世纪及其一切事物过敏。
If you were a closet arsonist who just needed a place to rest and battle the flames inside you.
如果您是一名秘密纵火犯，只需要一个休息的地方并与体内的火焰搏斗。
If you were a bottom pincher who drank too much schnapps and read only 17th century literature, you were welcome at The Palace.
如果您是一个喝了太多杜松子酒并且只阅读 17 世纪文学的吝啬鬼，那么皇宫欢迎您。
You could bring your dogs and your books and your bare feet.
你可以带着你的狗、你的书和你的赤脚。
And as long as you didn't drink Coca-Cola there and at least considered not paying your war taxes, you were welcome.
只要你不在那里喝可口可乐并且至少考虑不缴纳战争税，我们就欢迎你。
And we would never call the police.
我们永远不会报警。
Eddie set up outside The Palace, smiling and silent at first, and he offered his own newsletter, The Beast of Revelation.
埃迪在宫殿外坐下，一开始微笑着，沉默不语，然后他提供了自己的时事通讯《启示录之兽》。
A passionate, journalistic banner that proclaims the beauty of the human body.
充满激情的新闻旗帜，宣扬人体之美。
The penis is glorious and the vagina is magical.
阴茎是光荣的，阴道是神奇的。
They have to be seen to be believed argued The Beast of Revelations.
他们必须被亲眼所见才能相信《启示录》中的野兽。
And after Eddie had figured most of us, the hippie community of The Palace, had a grasp of his basic message, Eddie came in off the sidewalk and he began to talk to us.
当埃迪了解了我们大多数人（宫殿里的嬉皮士社区）掌握了他的基本信息后，埃迪从人行道上走进来，开始与我们交谈。
He was a public speaker.
他是一位公共演说家。
Could he speak there?
他能在那里讲话吗？
Eddie we had a voice and his eyes were wide awake and the title of this first talk was, "Nudity.
埃迪，我们有声音，他的眼睛睁得大大的，第一次演讲的标题是“裸体”。
Nudity Now."
现在裸体。”
He quoted liberally from the D.H Lawrence's Women in Love.
他大量引用了D.H劳伦斯的《恋爱中的女人》。
Lawrence is big.
劳伦斯很大。
Oh, he's big.
哦，他很大了。
Nudity and orgasm equals freedom.
裸体和高潮等于自由。
That's what D.H Lawrence sees.
这就是 D.H 劳伦斯所看到的。
And Lawrence sees me, Eddie.
劳伦斯看到了我，埃迪。
Lawrence agrees with Collins.
劳伦斯同意柯林斯的观点。
Nudity, sexuality, they form a square knot of human perfection.
裸体、性，它们构成了人类完美的结。
Until the Catholic church and public education get ahold of you.
直到天主教会和公共教育抓住你。
Oh, they'll twist you and they'll shame you.
哦，他们会扭曲你，他们会羞辱你。
And that's bad.
这很糟糕。
It's bad.
这很糟糕。
Read Lawrence.
读劳伦斯.
He knows.
他知道。
He's big.
他很大了。
Nudity.
裸露。
Nudity now.
现在裸体。
We all laughed not knowing why.
我们都笑了，不知道为什么。
And at the end of each performance, we followed Eddie out on the sidewalk.
每次表演结束后，我们都会跟着埃迪走到人行道上。
Eddie tossing his clothes in all directions before running off, naked into the night.
艾迪把衣服扔得到处都是，然后赤身裸体跑进夜色中。
Dekalb was a small place, but by the next week when Eddie spoke there was a real crowd that followed him outside for his personal unveiling.
迪卡尔布是一个小地方，但到了下周，当埃迪发表演讲时，已经有一大群人跟随他到外面参加他的个人揭幕仪式。
Edward Hickock Collins blossomed with nudity and attention.
爱德华·希科克·柯林斯 (Edward Hickock Collins) 的裸体和关注盛开。
And by the fourth week, with the crowd urging him on, the clothes came off on stage and Eddie became the nude public speaker.
到了第四周，在人群的催促下，埃迪在舞台上脱下了衣服，成为了裸体的公开演讲者。
Speaking out, but speaking nude, he shouted.
他大声喊道，但赤裸裸地说话。
And Eddie now began his talks naked and he hung around naked.
埃迪现在赤身裸体开始演讲，他也赤身裸体地徘徊。
He could be found at The Palace at all hours naked.
他在皇宫里随时都可以被发现赤身裸体。
Sometimes we politely asked him to dress for an occasion like when someone's parents came to town and then Eddie would put on this kilt.
有时我们会礼貌地要求他在某些场合着装，比如某人的父母来镇上，然后艾迪就会穿上这条苏格兰短裙。
A kilt he made out of a pair of cut-off jeans slashed free at the legs.
他用一条裤腿处开叉的牛仔裤制作了一条苏格兰短裙。
Once my mom came to visit me at The Palace.
有一次，我妈妈来皇宫看望我。
And I don't know what mom expected, but what she got was Eddie, naked and relaxed.
我不知道妈妈期待什么，但她得到的是艾迪，赤身裸体，放松。
Eddie reading the New York Times book review section.
艾迪正在阅读《纽约时报》的书评部分。
It made me very nervous when Eddie sat down with my mother, but my mom loved the New York Times book reviews and Eddie must have sensed that because he offered it to her.
当埃迪和我妈妈坐在一起时，我感到非常紧张，但我妈妈喜欢《纽约时报》的书评，埃迪一定也感觉到了这一点，因为他把它提供给了她。
And the two of them were soon chatting about books they would never have time to read.
两人很快就聊起了他们永远没有时间读的书。
And quickly, they seemed comfortable together.
很快，他们就觉得在一起很舒服。
And that was amazing to me, my mother fully clothed and Eddie not clothed at all.
这对我来说太神奇了，我妈妈穿着衣服，而埃迪根本没穿衣服。
It was only when Eddie leaned over and asked something so private that my mother never told me what it was.
直到埃迪俯身问了一些非常私密的问题时，我母亲才告诉我那是什么。
That my mom flushed and stormed away from the table.
我妈妈脸红了，怒气冲冲地离开了桌子。
And that's the thing about Eddie.
这就是埃迪的特点。
As much as he could win you over, and I liked him, he would always find a way to push things just too far.
尽管他能赢得你的支持，而且我也喜欢他，但他总是会想办法把事情推得太远。
As if any boundary or border was a foreign thing and it was to be disposed of and gotten through, no matter how you felt about it.
就好像任何边界或边界都是外来的东西，无论你对此有何感受，都必须被处理和通过。
Eddie moved into our house and invited some of The Palace women to sleep with him.
埃迪搬进了我们的房子，并邀请了一些宫廷妇女和他一起睡觉。
And some of them were happy to do it until the most private details of their intimacy started showing up in his speeches, surrounded by big, blinking exclamation points.
他们中的一些人很乐意这样做，直到他们亲密关系中最私密的细节开始出现在他的演讲中，周围都是大而闪烁的感叹号。
Look at this.
看看这个。
The police came two months into Eddie's talks.
警察在艾迪谈话两个月后介入。
Eddie was arrested.
艾迪被捕了。
And soon now, this nude messiah would stand trial.
很快，这个裸体的救世主就要接受审判。
And he felt that, messianic and alone and full of a vision of the world where the pants come down in simultaneous synchronization and whole nations freed from the shackles of clothing, walk freely and hang out in peace.
他觉得，弥赛亚式的、孤独的，充满了这样一个世界的愿景：裤子同时同步落下，整个国家摆脱了衣服的束缚，自由行走，和平相处。
And Eddie spent the weeks prior to his trial alternating phone calls to Brezhnev and the Kremlin and Jimmy Carter's White House.
埃迪在受审前的几周里，不断地给勃列日涅夫、克里姆林宫和吉米·卡特的白宫打电话。
Eddie made his calls from the corner laundry mat, urging long distance operators to support his new strategy.
埃迪在角落的洗衣垫上打电话，敦促长途电话接线员支持他的新战略。
International nudity day July 4.
7 月 4 日国际裸体日。
Disarm now.
立即解除武装。
The pants come off in simultaneous synchronization for world peace.
为了世界和平，裤子同步脱掉。
That's the hook.
这就是钩子。
If you're naked, how can you take yourself seriously holding a tank or fondling a nuclear war head?
如果你赤身裸体，你怎么能认真对待自己拿着坦克或抚摸核战争头颅呢？
You'd have to set them down.
你必须把它们放下。
Someone at the Kremlin actually answered one of Eddie's calls and Eddie just poured it on over the phone, his whole platform.
克里姆林宫的某个人实际上接听了埃迪的一个电话，埃迪只是通过电话倾诉，这是他的整个平台。
But at the White House, they just put him on hold and left him there.
但在白宫，他们只是搁置他，把他留在那里。
Eddie hardly noticed.
艾迪几乎没有注意到。
His campaign was heating up.
他的竞选活动正在升温。
Eddie's trial for indecency and his presidential campaign, which takes him to the 1976 Republican National Convention.
艾迪因猥亵罪受到审判，并参加总统竞选，并参加了 1976 年共和党全国代表大会。
That's in a minute, when our program continues.
一会儿之后，我们的节目就会继续。
It's This American Life, I'm Ira Glass.
这就是美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme and bring you a wide variety of stories, different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，并为您带来各种各样的故事，关于该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, One Thing.
今天的节目是《一件事》。
People who are obsessed with one thing.
痴迷于一件事的人。
We are in the middle of act two.
我们正处于第二幕的中间。
Beau O'Reilly's story continues.
博·奥莱利的故事还在继续。
His friend, Eddie, is a one-thinger who believes in a kind of utopian nudity and is coming up on trial for indecent exposure.
他的朋友艾迪是一个一心一意的人，他相信一种乌托邦式的裸体，并因不雅暴露而受到审判。
Again, a parental advisory.
再次，家长忠告。
There's nudity in this story.
这个故事里有裸体。
There was a large crowd at Eddie's trial for indecent exposure.
埃迪因不雅暴露罪受审时，聚集了一大群人。
When the judge walked solemnly in and the clerk called out, all please rise, Eddie slipped out of his kilt and his t-shirt and he did rise.
当法官庄严地走进来，书记员喊道“请全体起立”时，埃迪脱下苏格兰短裙和T恤，站了起来。
The judge found him in contempt and the cops dragged him handcuffed and kilted from the courtroom.
法官发现他藐视法庭，警察把他戴上手铐并穿着苏格兰短裙拖出了法庭。
Eddie meaning to go willingly, but the crowd was too good to waste.
艾迪本来愿意去，但人太多了，不能浪费。
So Eddie shouted over his shoulder, pulling away from the cops to urge them to join him for international nudity day.
于是埃迪回头大喊，从警察身边退开，敦促他们和他一起参加国际裸体日。
And the cops moved Edward Hickock Collins from the county jail to the county hospital.
警察将爱德华·希科克·柯林斯从县监狱转移到县医院。
Now Eddie was a lamb at the hospital.
现在埃迪成了医院里的一只羔羊。
He was polite and he was cooperative.
他很有礼貌而且很合作。
He'd had shock treatments before and he didn't wish to have them again.
他以前接受过休克治疗，现在不想再接受了。
He needed his mind.
他需要他的头脑。
But the doctors gave him Nembutals and Thorazine, large amounts.
但医生给了他大量的戊巴比妥和氯嗪嗪。
And his tongue thickened and his bright eyes grew heavily lidded.
他的舌头变粗了，明亮的眼睛也变得沉重起来。
And he stumbled of his quotations of good old page 201.
他无意中引用了第 201 页的好旧内容。
And after some weeks, all Eddie was really sure of was that the world would be better off naked.
几周后，艾迪真正确定的是，世界如果赤身裸体会更好。
And he was the man to strip it bare.
他就是那个把它剥光的人。
He hung onto that.
他坚持这一点。
Eddie got out on a deep, blue day and he wept because it was June and he was free with International Nudity Day just around the corner.
埃迪在一个深沉、忧郁的日子里下了车，他哭了，因为现在是六月，国际裸体日即将来临，他可以自由活动。
Over the month, Eddie's plan spread and took wing.
一个月来，埃迪的计划得到传播并取得了进展。
International Nudity Day, that's only a beginning.
国际裸体日，这只是一个开始。
It's a great beginning.
这是一个伟大的开始。
It's a campaign launcher.
这是一个活动启动器。
The Republican Convention, that's set for Kansas City, mere months away.
共和党全国代表大会将于几个月后在堪萨斯城举行。
The Republicans need to disarm now.
共和党现在需要解除武装。
The pants come down in simultaneous synchronization candidate.
裤子在同步同步候选中落下。
I'm nude run messiah.
我是裸体奔跑的救世主。
That's the perfect choice for Kansas City.
这是堪萨斯城的完美选择。
I'm running.
我正在跑步。
And I'm running nude.
而且我正在裸体跑步。
And on the fourth of July, 200 of us gathered in the center of downtown.
7 月 4 日，我们 200 人聚集在市中心。
It was a place marked by the crossing of two lines of railroad tracks.
这是一个以两条铁轨交叉点为标志的地方。
Eddie arrived late, running up in his kilt and t-shirt and shaking hands and passing out campaign literature.
埃迪迟到了，他穿着苏格兰短裙和 T 恤跑过来，握手并分发竞选材料。
Someone pulled a baby from the crowd for Eddie to kiss and the crowd cheered.
有人从人群中拉出一个婴儿让艾迪亲吻，人群欢呼起来。
And Eddie spoke, he was poignant in his wonder at the beauty of the human body.
埃迪说话了，他对人体之美的惊叹令人心酸。
And then in simultaneous synchronization, the pants came down.
然后同时同步地，裤子落了下来。
I was there and it was great.
我在那里，那真是太棒了。
We all pulled off our clothes.
我们都脱掉了衣服。
Really only about 30 of us did it, but we were all standing in the front so it felt like a crowd, a naked crowd.
我们实际上只有大约 30 个人，但我们都站在前面，所以感觉就像一群人，一群裸体的人群。
And Eddie was ecstatic.
埃迪欣喜若狂。
He beamed with joy and leaping about, his own clothes flew in all directions with an extra zip that day.
那天他满脸喜悦，蹦蹦跳跳，自己的衣服多了一个拉链，飞向四面八方。
The police moved in with paddy wagons, arresting the naked crowd.
警察开着稻车介入，逮捕了赤身裸体的人群。
But they saved Eddie til last.
但他们直到最后才救了埃迪。
And before they could reach him, a long freight train raced up the track, just as the cops were moving towards Eddie.
在他们到达他身边之前，一列长长的货运列车沿着轨道疾驰而过，正当警察向埃迪驶去时。
He timed it perfectly.
他完美地把握了时机。
Waving and nodding he jumped over the tracks right in front of the engine, leaving the cop on the other side.
他挥手点头，跳过了引擎前面的铁轨，把警察留在了另一边。
And by the time the freight train had passed, Eddie was gone.
当货运列车过去时，埃迪已经走了。
He was already running and he was running nude.
他已经在跑步了，而且是裸体跑步。
Eddie ran all the way to Kansas City, mostly at night.
埃迪一路跑到堪萨斯城，大部分时间都是在晚上。
And Playboy magazine picked up his story and sent a reporter and a photographer to follow him.
《花花公子》杂志报道了他的故事，并派了一名记者和一名摄影师跟踪他。
The pictures were all of Eddie naked eating banana splits with a bunch of old farm boys at a Stuckey's or posed on the seat of a big, hog Harley at a rest stop surrounded by big, hairy biker guys.
这些照片都是埃迪和一群老农场男孩在斯塔基店赤身裸体吃香蕉片，或者在休息站坐在一辆巨大的哈雷摩托车的座位上，周围都是毛茸茸的骑自行车的大家伙。
Naked except for a McDonald's cap giving out free french fries and nudity now buttons under the shadow of the golden arches.
除了一顶免费提供炸薯条的麦当劳帽子外，全身赤裸，现在金色拱门的阴影下扣子全裸。
Playboy magazine bailed him out each time he was arrested.
每次他被捕时，《花花公子》杂志都会保释他。
But when he got to Kansas City, Eddie got cagey.
但当埃迪到达堪萨斯城时，他变得谨慎起来。
This was the big time and he covered himself, his nude body, his kilt, and his t-shirt in a black three-piece suit he bought at the Salvation Army.
这是一个重要的时刻，他用从救世军买的黑色三件套西装遮住了自己，赤裸的身体，苏格兰短裙和T恤。
He borrowed the Playboy writer's press ID and Eddie boldly moved behind Republican lines, making it to the front steps of the convention center.
他借用了《花花公子》作家的新闻身份证，埃迪大胆地走到了共和党的防线后面，走到了会议中心的前面的台阶上。
That was close enough.
那已经足够接近了。
And the next day, Eddie found a fruit crate and he wrote soap all over it in black magic marker.
第二天，埃迪发现了一个水果箱，他用黑魔法记号笔在上面写满了肥皂。
And he returned to the convention steps, standing up high on the soap box above the crowd.
然后他回到大会台阶，站在人群上方的肥皂盒上。
His whole being overwhelmed with the moment, the power, of his big idea.
他的整个人都被他伟大想法的那一刻、力量所淹没。
Blurting out verbiage and joy, his clothes flying and hysterical in all directions.
脱口而出的言语和欢乐，他的衣服飞扬着，歇斯底里地向各个方向飞舞。
And there were brief looks of childlike wonder across Republican faces in the crowd, but then they were replaced with this all to adult frown of disgust and censor.
人群中共和党人的脸上短暂地露出了孩子般的惊奇表情，但随后就被成年人厌恶和审查的皱眉所取代。
The Kansas City cops, hard men who had been put on kook alert, knocked him from the soap box and they slammed him into the cement steps.
堪萨斯城的警察，这些被置于疯人戒备状态的强硬人，将他从肥皂盒上撞了下来，然后把他摔到了水泥台阶上。
And they dragged him bodily away.
他们把他拖走了。
Eddie's anxious cry of nudity now drowned out by police radios and the charging march of police boots.
艾迪因裸体而焦急的叫声现在被警察无线电和警靴冲锋的声音淹没了。
And Eddie stayed in jail for the rest of the convention.
埃迪在大会剩下的时间里一直在监狱里。
His name would never appear on the Republican list of nominees that year.
他的名字永远不会出现在当年的共和党提名人名单上。
And like so many presidential candidates-- Jesse Jackson, Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas, Ross Perot-- the early days of his campaign would prove to be the most memorable.
和许多总统候选人一样——杰西·杰克逊、加里·哈特、保罗·特松加斯、罗斯·佩罗——他的竞选初期将被证明是最令人难忘的。
Edward Hickock Collins had peaked too soon.
爱德华·希科克·柯林斯很快就达到了顶峰。
He returned home to The Palace, but he was never quite the same.
他回到了皇宫的家，但他再也不像以前了。
Eddie's confidence dropped after Kansas City.
堪萨斯城之后，埃迪的信心下降了。
He had other big moments.
他还有其他重要时刻。
Like attending his Yale class reunion football game and dropping his pants and dashing along the sidelines when Yale scored against Harvard.
就像参加耶鲁大学同学聚会橄榄球赛一样，当耶鲁大学对阵哈佛队得分时，他脱下裤子在场边冲刺。
But each one of these episodes led to jail and more hospitals.
但每一起事件都会导致入狱和更多医院的发生。
Or a stream of Nembutals and shock treatments left Eddie struggling to keep a hold on his mind.
或者一连串的戊巴比妥和休克治疗让埃迪难以控制自己的思绪。
It's strange when you think about it.
想想就觉得奇怪。
That nudity would exact this kind of retribution from our society.
这种裸体行为将会给我们的社会带来这样的报应。
Nudity.
裸露。
But Eddie stuck to his vision of the world, his one big idea.
但埃迪坚持他的世界观，他的一个伟大想法。
That a naked man is a free man and should be allowed to be free.
裸体的人是自由的人，应该被允许自由。
The last I heard of him, he had moved back home to Baldwin, Long Island.
我最后一次听到他的消息时，他已经搬回长岛鲍德温的家了。
Eddie began liberating the neighborhood cats and dogs of their leashes, their choke chains, and their flea collars.
埃迪开始为附近的猫狗解开皮带、窒息链和跳蚤项圈。
That's the thing about a messianic vision, about one big idea.
这就是关于弥赛亚愿景、关于一个伟大想法的事情。
If you follow it to its logical conclusion, you don't know where you'll end up.
如果你遵循它的逻辑结论，你不知道你会得到什么结果。
Eddie ended up reading to his cats and dogs, good old page 201 Cather in The Rye.
艾迪最后给他的猫和狗朗读了《麦田里的凯瑟》第 201 页的好书。
The dogs and cats listened.
狗和猫都听着。
They were animals.
他们是动物。
They had no problem with the F word.
他们对F这个词没有任何问题。
Nudity came naturally to them.
裸体对他们来说是很自然的事情。
Well, up until now on our program, we've been hearing about eager, full-hearted one-thingers.
嗯，到目前为止，在我们的节目中，我们一直听到一些热切、全心全意的一心一意的人。
In this part of the show we turn to reluctant one-thingers.
在节目的这一部分，我们转向不情愿的一件事者。
Our first witness, journalist Philip Weiss.
我们的第一位证人是记者菲利普·韦斯。
Philip Weiss writes for the New York Observer and other publications, and he has spent a lot of time with the Clinton conspiracy theorists.
菲利普·韦斯为《纽约观察家》和其他出版物撰稿，他花了很多时间与克林顿阴谋论者打交道。
These are the people who see a sinister force, who see one thing behind these events.
这些人看到了邪恶的力量，看到了这些事件背后的一件事。
The death of deputy White House counsel Vince Foster in 1993, the raiding of Foster's office after his death, Travelgate, Web Hubbell and whether he was paid off to keep him from cooperating with prosecutors.
1993 年白宫副法律顾问文斯·福斯特 (Vince Foster) 去世、福斯特死后办公室遭到突袭、Travelgate、Web Hubbell 以及他是否收受贿赂以阻止他与检察官合作。
Some also include on the list drug and gun running through the Mena airport in Arkansas during Bill Clinton's years as governor, various murders and deaths too numerous to list here.
其中一些名单上还包括比尔·克林顿担任州长期间阿肯色州梅纳机场流经的毒品和枪支，以及各种谋杀和死亡事件，不胜枚举。
Well, as he did his reporting, Philip Weiss became persuaded by some of the one-thingers.
好吧，当菲利普·韦斯进行报道时，他被一些一心一意的人说服了。
He saw their logic, but he did not become a one-thinger himself.
他看到了他们的逻辑，但他自己并没有成为一个人。
He spoke with This American Life senior producer Paul Tough.
他与《美国生活》高级制片人保罗·托夫进行了交谈。
Philip Weiss says that before he first went out to meet the Clinton one-thingers, his year with him was fairly unambiguous.
菲利普·韦斯说，在他第一次出去会见克林顿夫妇之前，他与克林顿在一起的这一年是相当明确的。
I thought they were really out to lunch.
我以为他们真的出去吃午饭了。
I thought they were nuts and hung up and obsessed.
我以为他们疯了，挂断了电话，着迷了。
And had nothing really intelligent to say.
并且没有什么真正明智的话可说。
So tell me a bit about when you first entered their world in the early weeks or months that you really started dealing with these people.
所以请告诉我一些关于你第一次进入他们的世界时的情况，即你真正开始与这些人打交道的最初几周或几个月。
What are they like?
他们是什么样的人？
What are they like as a group?
他们作为一个群体是什么样的？
Well, some of these people meet the Hollywood casting version of an unhappy obsessive.
好吧，其中一些人遇到了好莱坞选角版的不快乐的痴迷者。
Some of them do.
其中一些确实如此。
They're very unpleasant.
他们非常不愉快。
They have weird idiosyncrasies.
他们有一些奇怪的特质。
They're insistent.
他们很坚持。
They're shrill.
他们很尖锐。
And you just think, this is one unhappy camper and I want to get out of his personal space as quickly as possible.
你会想，这是一位不快乐的露营者，我想尽快离开他的私人空间。
Having said that, I've met a number of people who are involved in the Clinton scandals who are very happy people, who are engaging their talents fully.
话虽如此，我见过一些卷入克林顿丑闻的人，他们都是非常快乐的人，他们充分发挥了自己的才能。
For most of the conspiracy theorists, the main event of the Clinton presidency is the death of Vince Foster.
对于大多数阴谋论者来说，克林顿总统任期内的主要事件是文斯·福斯特的去世。
The official version of the facts of Foster's death concludes that on July 20, 1993, Vince Foster drove himself to Fort Marcy Park in suburban Virginia, parked his car, walked to a secluded spot, and shot himself.
福斯特死亡事实的官方版本得出的结论是，1993年7月20日，文斯·福斯特开车前往弗吉尼亚州郊区的马西堡公园，停好车，走到一个僻静的地方，开枪自杀。
But as Philip Weiss found out, there's another version of the facts, meticulously cataloged in another document, an unofficial one.
但正如菲利普·韦斯发现的那样，事实还有另一个版本，在另一份非官方文件中精心编目。
The most important event for me was reading the Sprunt report, which is a classic of sort of call it conspiratorial literature.
对我来说最重要的事件是阅读斯普伦特报告，这是一部堪称阴谋文学的经典之作。
But it's a study by Hugh Sprunt of Texas, Farmers Branch, Texas, outside Dallas, of the record in the Foster case.
但这是德克萨斯州达拉斯郊外法默斯布兰奇市的休·斯普伦特对福斯特案记录进行的一项研究。
And it's brilliant.
这真是太棒了。
And when I read that, I realized that the questions that these people have raised about the events in Fort Marcy Park are not trivial and not nuts.
当我读到这篇文章时，我意识到这些人对马西堡公园事件提出的问题并不是微不足道的，也不是疯狂的。
They are serious, good, investigative questions.
它们是严肃的、好的、研究性的问题。
The most convincing evidence that Philip Weiss found in the Sprunt report had to do with the possibility that Vince Foster died somewhere other than Fort Marcy Park and that his body was moved there by someone.
菲利普·韦斯在《斯普朗特》报告中发现的最令人信服的证据与文斯·福斯特可能死于马西堡公园以外的其他地方以及他的尸体被某人移到那里的可能性有关。
The report points out that there was no dirt on Foster's shoes, despite the fact that he was supposed to have walked through the park.
报告指出，尽管福斯特本应步行穿过公园，但他的鞋子上没有污垢。
There were no car keys found in his pocket despite the fact that he was supposed to have driven himself there.
尽管他应该自己开车去那里，但他的口袋里没有发现车钥匙。
There was a missing briefcase, a misquoted witness, eyeglasses too far from the body, and contradictory accounts of what kind of gun was found in Foster's hand.
公文包丢失，目击证人被错误引用，眼镜离尸体太远，而且关于福斯特手中发现的枪的种类的说法相互矛盾。
And at this point, I don't have any conclusions beyond the strong feeling that there were shenanigans in Fort Marcy Park that his body was brought there, I feel.
在这一点上，我没有任何结论，除了强烈的感觉，我觉得马西堡公园里有恶作剧，他的尸体被带到了那里。
He may have shot himself somewhere else.
他可能在其他地方开枪自杀了。
I think he probably did shoot himself.
我认为他很可能开枪自杀了。
The evidence is, to my mind, pretty strong.
在我看来，证据非常有力。
But there seemed to have been shenanigans.
但似乎发生了恶作剧。
I went to Arkansas a few times.
我去过阿肯色州几次。
And many reporters have gone to Arkansas and come back shocked.
许多记者去了阿肯色州，回来后都感到震惊。
I came back shocked.
我回来很震惊。
I felt like the top of my head was blown off.
我感觉我的头顶被炸掉了。
I just felt that things were different down there and that they explained who our president is politically in a way that was not apparent to people on the East Coast who saw the Rhodes scholar and the Yale law school graduate.
我只是觉得那里的情况有所不同，他们以一种东海岸看到罗德学者和耶鲁大学法学院毕业生的人所不明显的方式解释了我们的总统在政治上的身份。
I thought for a little while that that would be-- as a journalist and writer, that would be my story.
我想了一会儿，这将是——作为一名记者和作家，这将是我的故事。
And I was in it for a little while and now I'm not in it.
我曾参与其中一段时间，但现在我已不再参与其中。
And I don't fully understand why I'm not in it and I was a few months ago.
我不完全明白为什么我没有参与其中，而几个月前我就参与了。
I guess that I believe-- again, while I buy their story about this administration more than I buy the mainstream story, there's a level of alienation in some of the stuff I've read just cruising the 'net that I just wasn't ready for.
我想我再次相信，虽然我更相信他们关于本届政府的故事，而不是主流故事，但我在网上读到的一些东西中存在一定程度的疏离感，而我只是还没有准备好。
I just feared what I might become.
我只是担心自己会变成什么样子。
When one announces in respectable company that one no longer accepts the official version of events with respect to Vince Foster's death, people look at you funny.
当一个人在受人尊敬的公司宣布不再接受有关文斯·福斯特死亡事件的官方版本时，人们会用滑稽的眼神看着你。
I remember one conversation with an editor and finally this editor just said, look, Vince Foster committed suicide in Fort Marcy Park, OK?
我记得与一位编辑的一次谈话，最后这位编辑只是说，看，文斯·福斯特在马西堡公园自杀了，好吗？
And you know, what can you say?
你知道，你能说什么？
When your wife is saying to you you're a nut or you've lost perspective.
当你的妻子对你说你是个疯子或者你失去了远见时。
You know, maybe I'm making the wrong call, but that scares me.
你知道，也许我打错了电话，但这让我害怕。
That threw me.
这让我很震惊。
It's just a question of how much you want to invest yourself in this position, I think.
我认为，问题只是在于你想在这个职位上投入多少。
And you pay a price.
你要付出代价。
Your skin is flayed.
你的皮肤被剥了皮。
And that's the traditional price of a heretic.
这就是异教徒的传统代价。
I'm not trying to be self-dramatizing.
我并不是想自我戏剧化。
It's the ancient bargain that society makes with these people.
这是社会与这些人达成的古老交易。
And I don't know if I want to make that investment.
我不知道我是否愿意进行这项投资。
One of my first meetings with a person in this community, a guy I've actually become a little friendly with and whom I have a great deal of respect for.
这是我与这个社区中的一个人的第一次会面，我实际上与他变得有点友好并且我非常尊重他。
And I'm going to call him Patrick because he uses an alias.
我要叫他帕特里克，因为他使用了化名。
This is a guy with a very Jimmy Stewart manner and a very casual manner, and he walked me through Fort Marcy Park with great patience, telling me his understanding of what happened on July 20, 1993 when Vince Foster's body was found.
这是一个很有吉米·斯图尔特风格和非常随意的人，他非常耐心地带我穿过马西堡公园，告诉我他对1993年7月20日文斯·福斯特尸体被发现时发生的事情的理解。
And Patrick's story is a very logical one.
帕特里克的故事是一个非常合乎逻辑的故事。
He had hundreds and thousands of facts at his fingertips that I was and am in no position really to challenge.
他掌握了成百上千的事实，我过去和现在都没有资格真正挑战这些事实。
He's done more research on this than I have.
他在这方面的研究比我多。
And at the end of our trip through Fort Marcy Park I said to him, you know, you've given me a very logical story, Patrick.
在我们穿越马西堡公园的旅行结束时，我对他说，你知道，你给了我一个非常合乎逻辑的故事，帕特里克。
I'm willing to believe what you're saying.
我愿意相信你说的话。
You know, it's very logical.
你知道，这是非常合乎逻辑的。
But I might just walk on.
但我可能会继续走下去。
What do you think of that?
你对此有何看法？
And what did he say?
他说了什么？
Philip Weiss Well he just would say, and accept that-- in this Jimmy Stewart way.
菲利普·韦斯：嗯，他只是会说，并接受这一点——以吉米·斯图尔特的方式。
Gosh, Phil, and just accept that your government is telling you these lies about the most important death in high office since the Kennedy-- that kind of thing.
天哪，菲尔，接受你们的政府正在告诉你们这些关于自肯尼迪以来最重要的高级职位死亡事件的谎言吧——诸如此类的事情。
I said, yeah.
我说，是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Given my understanding of how the world works, I'm willing to accept that they have lied to me about this and that I got other things to do now.
鉴于我对世界运作方式的理解，我愿意接受他们在这件事上对我撒谎，而且我现在还有其他事情要做。
And I think he just kind of shook his head at that because that understanding is too central to his worldview to go move onto something else.
我认为他对此只是摇了摇头，因为这种理解对他的世界观来说太重要了，不能转向其他事情。
Philip Weiss is a novelist and columnist for the New York Observer .
菲利普·韦斯是《纽约观察家》的小说家和专栏作家。
He spoke with This American Life producer Paul Tough.
他与《美国生活》的制片人保罗·托夫进行了交谈。
Act Five, Quitting Quitting.
第五幕，戒烟戒烟。
Back in 1994, Evan Harris quit everything in her life.
早在 1994 年，埃文·哈里斯 (Evan Harris) 就放弃了生活中的一切。
Job her, boyfriend, her city.
工作她，男朋友，她的城市。
And she started to think about quitting as an abstract idea in and of itself.
她开始将戒烟视为一个抽象的想法。
She started to develop a theory about quitting.
她开始发展一种关于戒烟的理论。
She wanted to name the parts of quitting.
她想说出戒烟的各个部分。
And she started to publish a zine about quiting with a friend of hers.
她开始出版一本关于与她的朋友戒烟的杂志。
She's also published a book about quitting called, The Quit.
她还出版了一本关于戒烟的书，名为《戒烟》。
The more Evan Harris looked around, the more it seemed like everything in the world was made up of quits and quitting.
埃文·哈里斯越环顾四周，就越觉得世界上的一切都是由放弃和放弃组成的。
History seemed like a series of violent, elaborate quits by nations and peoples.
历史似乎是一系列国家和人民精心策划的暴力退出事件。
People's personal lives seemed driven by a series of endings.
人们的个人生活似乎是由一系列结局驱动的。
Quitting became the lens, the one thing through which Evan Harris saw the world.
戒烟成为了镜头，是埃文·哈里斯观察世界的唯一途径。
The point of quitting is to move in the world and to get bigger and bigger as a person.
戒烟的目的是为了融入世界，让自己变得越来越伟大。
See, God damn.
瞧，该死的。
Sometimes I just start to sound like a nut basically about this.
有时我对此听起来就像个疯子。
Just what am I talking about?
我到底在说什么？
You know, what am I talking about?
你知道我在说什么吗？
You have to understand, this is so on my mind.
你必须明白，这就是我的想法。
You know, I mean I think about this all the time.
你知道，我的意思是我一直在思考这个问题。
I think about this all the time.
我一直在想这个。
I'm thinking about getting up and walking out of this room right now.
我现在正在考虑起身走出这个房间。
You know, I really am.
你知道，我确实是这样。
That tape if from when I interviewed Evan Harris back in 1994.
那盘磁带是我 1994 年采访埃文·哈里斯时的。
This is back when she made her big sets of quits.
这又回到了她多次退出的时候。
She was at the height of her quitting frenzy and her thinking about quitting.
她正处于戒烟狂潮和想要戒烟的顶峰。
At the time she was trying to catalog still all the parts of quitting, the euphoria of the quit, the euphoria that you feel when you get a quit.
当时，她仍在尝试记录戒烟的所有部分，戒烟时的欣快感，戒烟时你感受到的欣快感。
Well now, Evan Harris has quit quitting.
现在，埃文·哈里斯已经戒烟了。
Three years after that.
三年后。
Or it quit her.
或者它让她放弃了。
She no longer is in the throes of one thing.
她不再为一件事而痛苦。
I talked to her about it last week.
上周我和她谈过这件事。
It was really horrible.
真的太可怕了。
It was very, very horrible.
这非常非常可怕。
And it actually happened in a very, very dramatic way.
它实际上以一种非常非常戏剧性的方式发生。
I was taking this cross country trip and I stopped traveling with the person with whom I was traveling, which was a very big deal.
我正在进行这次越野旅行，但我不再与同行的人一起旅行，这是一件非常大的事情。
And I was sitting on a bus, a Greyhound bus, traveling from Santa Fe, New Mexico, and I could no longer think about the trip in terms of quitting because a quit of sorts had occurred and the person with whom I was splitting was too important to funnel into the quitting stream.
我坐在一辆从新墨西哥州圣达菲出发的灰狗巴士上，我无法再从退出的角度考虑这次旅行，因为某种退出已经发生，而与我分手的人太重要了，无法融入退出流中。
Because the quitting streaming includes the idea of that when you quit you will feel good?
因为退出直播包含这样的想法：退出后你会感觉良好？
That's almost like one of your definitions of quitting from back then.
这几乎就像你当时对戒烟的定义之一。
There's that on one level, but then there's an even more serious level, which was that it was not possible to think of this as anything but what it was.
在一个层面上是这样，但还有一个更严重的层面，那就是除了它本身之外，不可能将其视为任何其他东西。
That this was a relationship with a person who I love.
这是与我所爱的人的关系。
Right.
正确的。
And it wasn't just this theoretical quit.
这不仅仅是理论上的退出。
Right.
正确的。
There was nothing theoretical about it.
这没有任何理论意义。
I was on a Greyhound bus.
我在灰狗巴士上。
And so then the fever broke?
然后发烧就退了？
Evan Harris Then the fever broke.
埃文·哈里斯 然后发烧就退了。
When quitting was all you thought about, back when quitting was all you thought about, what was that like now that you look back on it?
当你只想着放弃的时候，当你只想着放弃的时候，现在回想起来，那是什么感觉？
Oh, it was great.
哦，太棒了。
It was great.
太棒了。
My mind was jumping all the time.
我的思绪一直在跳动。
And everything was fitting in.
一切都很顺利。
It was like a puzzle.
这就像一个谜题。
It was like figuring out a puzzle.
这就像解谜一样。
A big, jigsaw puzzle.
一个很大的拼图游戏。
And I would fit a piece in and then things would start to fit around it.
我会装上一块，然后周围的东西就会开始适应。
When I hear this, I just picture you just sitting down and just pouring these pages out, page after page, like in a dream.
当我听到这句话时，我只是想象你只是坐下来，一页一页地倒出这些书，就像在梦中一样。
Like in a seizure.
就像癫痫发作一样。
Yes, it was automatic writing, Ira.
是的，这是自动写作，艾拉。
It was automatic writing.
这是自动书写。
It was like someone turned on a faucet.
就像有人打开了水龙头。
See, but what in your life today can compete with that?
瞧，但你今天的生活中有什么可以与之抗衡呢？
Nothing.
没有什么。
Oh, what?
哦，什么？
Say again.
再说一遍。
Ira Glass No, no, you were saying nothing.
艾拉·格拉斯 不，不，你什么都没说。
I know, but I wanted to think about it more before I said that.
我知道，但在说这句话之前我想再考虑一下。
Well, you know, like do you miss having that faucet going full force all the time?
嗯，你知道吗，你是否怀念水龙头一直开到最大的状态？
Yeah, I do.
是的，我愿意。
I really do.
我真的这么做。
Because there was electricity that was very exciting and I think I was much more interesting then.
因为有电是非常令人兴奋的，我想我当时更有趣。
I mean, I think I'm a little bit of a bore sometimes now.
我的意思是，我觉得我现在有时有点无聊。
And now you don't organize your thinking about the world that way.
现在你不再以这种方式组织你对世界的思考。
Now everything doesn't come down to one thing.
现在一切都不再归结为一件事。
Everything is kind of everything?
一切都是一切？
Do you think that you lost something by now seeing everything in the world as everything and not just boiling everything down to one thing?
你是否认为，现在你把世界上的一切都视为一切，而不是把一切都归结为一件事，你失去了一些东西？
I am no longer unified.
我不再统一了。
I was unified and now I'm not unified anymore.
我曾经是统一的，现在我不再统一了。
Unified, you mean everything added up to one idea?
统一，你的意思是所有的东西加起来都是一个想法？
Right.
正确的。
I was able to navigate inside of me in terms of that one thing.
我能够就这一件事在我的内心进行导航。
So I was a unified person.
所以我是一个统一的人。
And I actually had an identity.
我实际上有一个身份。
Can I ask you what else what else have you lost by giving up that phase of your life when you really believed?
我能问你，放弃你真正相信的人生阶段，你还失去了什么？
Looking at it that way makes it seem like I sacrificed something by moving away from it.
从这个角度来看，我似乎因为远离它而牺牲了一些东西。
But I didn't pick to move away from it.
但我并没有选择放弃它。
I mean, it abandoned me, Ira.
我的意思是，它抛弃了我，艾拉。
It abandoned me.
它抛弃了我。
Really, it did.
真的，确实如此。
You mean it stopped seeming so interesting?
你的意思是它看起来不再那么有趣了？
No, it stopped being available to me.
不，我不再可以使用它了。
It's not that I decided to stop thinking about it, it's that it decided to stop visiting me.
并不是我决定不再去想它，而是它决定不再来拜访我。
It stopped calling me.
它不再叫我了。
It was terrible.
太可怕了。
It was horrible.
太可怕了。
There was a time actually, where I was very angry with the one thing.
事实上，有一段时间我对一件事非常生气。
Because it had abandoned me and it was not available to me.
因为它抛弃了我，我无法利用它。
It was like the quit and I had been friends, and then something happened and I didn't know what and I had done something terrible and the quit didn't come to my birthday party for no reason.
这就像戒烟，我一直是朋友，然后发生了一些事情，我不知道是什么，我做了一些可怕的事情，戒烟无缘无故地没有出现在我的生日聚会上。
And yeah, wouldn't call me and wouldn't write to me.
是的，不会打电话给我，也不会写信给我。
And just disappeared, vanished, evaporated, abandoned me.
然后就消失了，消失了，蒸发了，抛弃了我。
And so you used to see quitting as being the engine behind everything around us.
所以你过去认为戒烟是我们周围一切事物背后的引擎。
Do you feel like that is the best explanatory framework with which to understand your life?
您觉得这是理解您的生活的最佳解释框架吗？
Yes and no. Yes and no. The sad thing is that I don't really have a scheme.
是和不是。是和不是。可悲的是我并没有真正的计划。
I attempted to embrace another framework.
我尝试接受另一个框架。
Meaning what?
意思是什么？
Evan Harris Picking anything.
埃文·哈里斯（Evan Harris）挑选任何东西。
See, I'm a big picker.
看吧，我是个大挑选者。
I'm a picker.
我是一个挑选者。
And also, I like picking.
还有，我喜欢采摘。
For example, I once had a job as a strawberry picker, which I enjoyed very much.
例如，我曾经有过一份草莓采摘工的工作，我非常喜欢这份工作。
But then, that kind of picking.
但是，那样的选择。
But also, the kind of picking, picking and choosing.
而且，还是那种挑选、挑选和选择的方式。
Well, I mean as you say that, I mean it occurs to me that this whole scheme is just the mirror opposite of quitting, really.
好吧，我的意思是，正如你所说，我的意思是，我突然想到，这整个计划实际上与戒烟相反。
I mean, it's just somebody picking stuff instead of somebody quitting stuff, right?
我的意思是，这只是有人选择东西而不是有人放弃东西，对吗？
Right, I guess so.
是的，我想是这样。
Ira Glass Evan Harris.
艾拉·格拉斯·埃文·哈里斯。
Our program was produced today by Nancy Updike and myself with Paul Tough, Alix Spiegel, Julie Snyder, and special guest producer Kitty Eisley.
今天我们的节目由南希·厄普代克和我本人以及保罗·托夫、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、朱莉·斯奈德和特邀客座制作人基蒂·艾斯利共同制作。
Contributing editors Sarah Vowell, Jack Hitt and Margy Rockland.
特约编辑莎拉·沃威尔、杰克·希特和玛吉·罗克兰。
If you want to buy a tape of this program call us at WBEZ in Chicago 312-832-3380.
如果您想购买该节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥 WBEZ 312-832-3380。
312-832-3380.
312-832-3380。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who describes This American Life staff this way--
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理监督由 Torey Malatia 负责，他这样描述 This American Life 的员工——
Very unpleasant.
非常不愉快。
They have weird idiosyncrasies.
他们有一些奇怪的特质。
They're insistent.
他们很坚持。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
They're shrill and you just think, this is one unhappy camper.
他们的声音很刺耳，你会想，这是一个不快乐的露营者。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。