628: In the Shadow of the City - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass OK-- this happens to be Chicago, but every city has a place like this.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 好吧——这里恰好是芝加哥，但每个城市都有这样的地方。
That weird, desolate area at the far end of town.
位于城镇远端的那个奇怪而荒凉的地区。
We're a half mile west of the old abandoned steel mills.
我们位于废弃旧钢厂以西半英里处。
We're a half mile north of landfills where methane fires used to burn.
我们位于曾经燃烧甲烷火的垃圾填埋场以北半英里处。
Just south of the auto junkyard.
就在汽车垃圾场南边。
Just east of the site of the old city dump, where there was a mountain of raw garbage that would stink up the neighborhood whenever the wind would blow in the wrong direction.
就在旧城垃圾场的东边，那里有一座堆积如山的原始垃圾，只要风吹错方向，周围的环境就会散发出恶臭。
Everybody down here called it Mount Pacini for the alderman who let the city put it here.
这里的每个人都称它为帕西尼山，因为市议员让这座城市把它放在这里。
You'll notice all these-- what would you call it-- tire marks.
你会注意到所有这些——你会称之为什么——轮胎痕迹。
This street is used as-- for drag racing year-round.
这条街道全年用作飙车比赛。
Really?
真的吗？
Charlie Gregerson Yeah.
查理·格雷格森 是的。
Because it's basically far enough away from the police that they don't do anything about it.
因为这里基本上离警察很远，所以他们不会采取任何行动。
My guide is Charlie Gregerson, who grew up down here.
我的导游是查理格雷格森，他在这里长大。
He shows me where a lake-- Lake Calumet-- used to be back in the '40s when he was a kid.
他向我展示了 20 世纪 40 年代他还是个孩子的时候，卡鲁梅特湖 (Lake Calumet) 曾经存在的地方。
He'd go fishing on a rowboat with his dad.
他会和父亲一起划船去钓鱼。
Then the city started filling in huge sections of the lake with garbage and incinerator ash.
然后，该市开始用垃圾和焚烧炉灰填满湖的大片区域。
He'd come here in the '70s and see bulldozers pushing around the rubble of some of Chicago's great buildings, which had been recently demolished.
他在 70 年代来到这里，看到推土机在芝加哥一些最近被拆除的伟大建筑的废墟上推土。
Louis Sullivan masterpieces, like the stock exchange building and the Garrick Theater-- this is where they ended up.
路易斯·沙利文的杰作，如证券交易所大楼和加里克剧院 - 这就是他们的最终目的地。
Now, show me-- we're standing here-- where were all the buildings being dumped, and what did that look like?
现在，告诉我——我们站在这里——所有被倾倒的建筑物都在哪里，那是什么样子？
Right here.
就在这里。
Right here at what was the north end of the dump.
就在垃圾场的北端。
And actually, we picked-- I picked up a few pieces of the stock exchange ornament right out of the lake.
事实上，我们捡到了——我从湖里捡到了几块证券交易所装饰品。
But of course, most of it had been ground right into the dirt, because they had bulldozers that would just-- they'd keep on-- they would dump the stuff in piles, and the bulldozer would just flatten it all out.
但当然，大部分都被直接压入泥土中，因为他们有推土机，他们会继续将这些东西倾倒成堆，而推土机会把它们全部压平。
And so there'd be this, like, Louis Sullivan, you know, terracotta ornament just sticking out?
所以会有这样的东西，比如路易斯·沙利文，你知道，赤土陶器装饰品就很突出？
And so walking around when there's these pieces of building sticking up, I mean, it just seems like it just must have been such a strange scene.
因此，当这些建筑物矗立起来时，我的意思是，当你四处走动时，我的意思是，看起来这一定是一个如此奇怪的场景。
Like this apocalyptic, you know, death of a city--
就像这个世界末日，你知道，一座城市的死亡——
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Well, there were-- I remember seeing one of these big Phoenix columns that I knew had come out of the Garrick Theater, was just sticking out of the ground.
嗯，我记得看到一根巨大的凤凰柱，我知道它是从加里克剧院出来的，它刚刚从地下伸出来。
Two of those in the Garrick Theater distributed the weight of the upper floors that were over the stage.
加里克剧院的其中两个分散了舞台上方上层的重量。
One of those was just sticking out right about a 45-degree angle out of the ground.
其中一个正好以 45 度角从地面伸出。
And at that point, the Garrick had been gone for almost 10 years.
那时，加里克已经消失近十年了。
There were once big plans for this area-- for canals and waterways, a harbor that never really worked out.
这个地区曾经有过宏伟的规划——修建运河和水道，但从未真正实现过港口建设。
There are zoning maps of the city that show streets and complete neighborhoods -- a whole grid of them-- that nobody ever got around to building.
城市的分区地图显示了街道和完整的社区——整个网格——但没有人抽出时间去建造。
Instead, now, on top of all the trash stands a golf course.
相反，现在，在所有垃圾之上矗立着一座高尔夫球场。
Charlie says that from the clubhouse, he gets exactly the same view that he used to get back when he and his dad took out the rowboat.
查理说，从俱乐部会所看到的景色与他和父亲划艇时回来时看到的景色一模一样。
It's the same spot.
这是同一个地方。
That's where the lake once was.
那是湖曾经所在的地方。
You can see clear to downtown.
可以清楚地看到市中心。
So far away, it might as well be another city.
如此遥远，它就像是另一个城市。
Well today on our program, we have stories from several places like this, in the shadow of the city.
今天在我们的节目中，我们有来自城市阴影下的几个类似地方的故事。
That weird, no man's land, where it always feels like secret stuff is happening, you know?
那个奇怪的无人区，总感觉有秘密的事情正在发生，你知道吗？
Just out of sight.
就看不见了。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our program today was first broadcast a few years ago.
我们今天的节目是几年前首次播出的。
It's in three acts.
共分三幕。
Act One, Brooklyn Archipelago.
第一幕，布鲁克林群岛。
In that act, some passengers set sail one day on a three-hour tour-- a three-hour tour-- and end up getting lost in the wilderness.
在那次行动中，一些乘客有一天启航进行三小时的旅行——三小时的旅行——最终在荒野中迷路了。
One fears for his life on a string of islands that is just outside a very, very big city.
人们担心自己在一座非常非常大的城市外的一系列岛屿上的生命安全。
Act Two, Troubled Bridge Over Water.
第二幕，困难的水上桥梁。
A guy goes to a remote spot to help people who do not want to be helped.
一个人去偏远的地方帮助那些不想被帮助的人。
Act Three, Please In My Backyard.
第三幕，请到我的后院来。
Controversy over industrial odors coming from a factory.
工厂散发的工业气味引发争议。
Odors that, for once, people want to keep coming.
这一次，人们想要不断出现的气味。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Brooklyn Archipelago.
第一幕，布鲁克林群岛。
Brett Martin has this story which takes place on the outskirts of-- well, perhaps you've already figured out which city.
布雷特·马丁（Brett Martin）有一个故事，故事发生在——好吧，也许你已经知道是哪个城市了。
Listen, it happens.
听着，它发生了。
You go out for a night with your friends and you wind up drunk, in your underwear, soaking wet, covered with blood, and shipwrecked on a desert island, all within sight of the Empire State Building.
你和朋友出去过夜，结果喝得酩酊大醉，只穿着内衣，浑身湿透，满身是血，然后在一座荒岛上遇难，而这一切都在帝国大厦的视野范围内。
These things happen.
这些事情都会发生。
Or at least they did happen to Alex Zharov.
或者至少它们确实发生在亚历克斯·扎罗夫身上。
Alex is 17 years old.
亚历克斯今年 17 岁。
He moved to the US from a small town in the Ukraine when he was nine.
九岁时，他从乌克兰的一个小镇搬到了美国。
He's skinny and wears tie-dyed T-shirts, an unmanageable spray of frizzy blond hair, and a valiant-- if not altogether successful-- starter mustache.
他身材瘦削，穿着扎染T恤，一头难以打理的卷曲金发，留着英勇的——如果不是完全成功的话——小胡子。
And-- well, he can probably introduce himself better than I can.
而且——嗯，他可能比我更能自我介绍。
Here's how he responds when I ask him to state his name for the record.
当我要求他说出自己的名字以供记录时，他是这样回应的。
My name is Alex Zharov, and I love to have very radical experiences in life.
我叫亚历克斯·扎罗夫（Alex Zharov），我喜欢在生活中拥有非常激进的经历。
And I consider myself to be a psychedelic artistically productive person.
我认为自己是一个具有迷幻艺术创作能力的人。
Here are a few other things about Alex.
以下是有关亚历克斯的其他一些事情。
He lives with his cute older girlfriend and his exceptionally patient parents in a small apartment in the Midwood section of Brooklyn.
他和他可爱的年长女友以及异常耐心的父母住在布鲁克林米德伍德区的一间小公寓里。
Instead of going to high school, he's enrolled in an internet home schooling program.
他没有去高中，而是参加了一个互联网家庭教育项目。
He's at work on a science fiction novel and has logged several hundred in-flight hours as a student pilot.
他正在写一部科幻小说，并作为一名飞行学员，已经有数百小时的飞行时间。
But most of Alex's time is spent as a guitarist, singer, and songwriter for his band, EBuffalo.
但 Alex 的大部分时间都花在了他的乐队 EBuffalo 的吉他手、歌手和词曲作者身上。
When I went to see them play at a two-day Russian rock festival last fall, I learned several things.
去年秋天，当我去观看他们在为期两天的俄罗斯摇滚音乐节上的表演时，我学到了一些东西。
First, there are many, many ex-Soviet immigrants living in Brooklyn.
首先，有很多很多前苏联移民居住在布鲁克林。
Second, they all, very earnestly, want to rock.
其次，他们都非常真诚地想要摇滚。
And third, Alex Zharov-- whether he's writhing on his back on stage or reclining in the dressing room with a beer and a cigarette-- is kind of a superstar.
第三，亚历克斯·扎罗夫——无论他是在舞台上翻滚，还是在更衣室里拿着啤酒和香烟——都是一位超级巨星。
Before we get to our story, the other key person you'll need to meet is someone who entered Alex's life at a crucial moment years ago when Alex first came to the States.
在我们开始讲述故事之前，您需要认识的另一个关键人物是几年前亚历克斯第一次来到美国时在关键时刻进入亚历克斯生活的人。
Alex had an awkward adjustment.
亚历克斯有一个尴尬的调整。
He fought in school and was kind of depressed.
他在学校打架，心情有些沮丧。
He was bored.
他很无聊。
Then one day, Alex was walking along the Brighton Beach boardwalk and saw a group of older guys collecting money for something called the Russian Punk Rock Club of America.
然后有一天，亚历克斯沿着布莱顿海滩的木板路散步，看到一群年长的家伙正在为一个名为“美国俄罗斯朋克摇滚俱乐部”的组织筹集资金。
Older guys, like 25 and 30 years old.
年纪较大的人，比如25岁和30岁。
Alex was 12.
亚历克斯 12 岁。
One of the musicians he met that day was Roman Gadzhilov, who immediately took to the young Alex.
那天他遇到的音乐家之一是罗曼·加吉洛夫(Roman Gadzhilov)，他立即喜欢上了年轻的亚历克斯。
Well, he had this blink in his eyes.
好吧，他的眼睛里有这样的眨眼。
It's sometimes you see extraordinary person, and, you know, you kind of know this.
有时你会看到非凡的人，而且你知道，你有点知道这一点。
You know, he wasn't appeared to us as 12-year-old at that moment.
你知道，那时他在我们看来并不是 12 岁的孩子。
At 12 years old, he was writing songs that I was writing at 18.
12 岁时，他写了我 18 岁时写的歌。
And after this, we've been together all the time.
从那以后，我们就一直在一起了。
We called him Khryusha you know, that's--
我们叫他 Khryusha，你知道，那是——
And what does that mean?
这意味着什么？
Roman Gadzhilov Khryusha means [LAUGHING] little piglet.
Roman Gadzhilov Khryusha 的意思是[笑]小猪。
Little piglet.
小小猪。
Under his new friends' tutelage, Alex began walking around in an old Bolshevik-style hat and trench coat.
在新朋友的指导下，亚历克斯开始戴着旧布尔什维克风格的帽子和风衣四处走动。
And his friends gave him books.
他的朋友给了他书籍。
Dostoevsky, Tolkien, guides to Slavic paganism, The Beats, and also Robinson Crusoe and Treasure Island.
陀思妥耶夫斯基、托尔金、斯拉夫异教指南、垮掉派、还有《鲁滨逊漂流记》和《金银岛》。
Alex was particularly fond of those.
亚历克斯特别喜欢那些。
In our story today, our own seafaring tale happens on a boat that Roman owns-- a 25-foot white sailboat, which Alex likes to refer to as "the yacht." One cool evening last May, Alex, Roman, and another friend named Alex-- Alex Glubochansky decided to take a nice little boat trip in Jamaica Bay, the body of water that wraps around the southern end of Brooklyn.
在我们今天的故事中，我们自己的航海故事发生在罗曼拥有的一艘船上——一艘 25 英尺长的白色帆船，亚历克斯喜欢将其称为“游艇”。去年五月的一个凉爽的夜晚，亚历克斯、罗曼和另一位名叫亚历克斯的朋友 - 亚历克斯·格卢博昌斯基（Alex Glubochansky）决定在牙买加湾（环绕布鲁克林南端的水域）进行一次愉快的小船之旅。
Here's Alex.
这是亚历克斯。
The three of us decided to just get, like, 10 gallons of gas.
我们三个人决定只加 10 加仑汽油。
And my friend Roman, he got a bottle of rum, and we got two cans of food.
我的朋友罗曼，他买了一瓶朗姆酒，我们买了两罐食物。
And we just decided to have a cool trip on the yacht.
我们决定在游艇上来一次很酷的旅行。
And I started saying, oh, I'll go as the open ocean.
我开始说，哦，我会像大海一样去。
Let's sail to Poland, I told him.
我们启航去波兰吧，我告诉他。
Roman had a slightly less ambitious agenda.
罗曼的议程稍微不那么雄心勃勃。
The plan was just to go to the bridge-- under the Rockaway bridge-- then turn around, and then come back.
计划只是去洛克威桥下的桥，然后掉头，然后回来。
It should have taken about 40 minutes.
应该需要大约 40 分钟。
Yeah.
是的。
Things started to go wrong almost immediately.
事情几乎立刻就开始出错了。
Before they even left the marina, Roman, who'd been making headway through the bottle of rum, fell into the water, and they had to haul him back in.
在他们离开码头之前，罗曼在朗姆酒瓶中前进时掉进了水里，他们不得不把他拉回来。
He was clearly in no shape to drive.
他显然不适合开车。
This is Alex.
这是亚历克斯。
He got drunk.
他喝醉了。
And he just was babbling something.
他只是在胡言乱语。
Laughing, like he said, don't go there.
笑起来，就像他说的，别去那里。
Don't go there.
别去那里。
And he was constantly saying, don't hit the shallows.
他一直在说，不要浅滩。
He was already, like-- he didn't control the situation by that time.
那时他已经，就像——他已经无法控制局势了。
As a responsible journalist, I should say for the record that Roman does have one objection to Alex's version of events.
作为一名负责任的记者，我应该郑重声明，罗曼确实对亚历克斯对事件的说法有异议。
It wasn't the rum, by the way.
顺便说一句，这不是朗姆酒。
It was a cognac.
这是一杯干邑白兰地。
I don't know why everybody puts rum.
我不知道为什么大家都放朗姆酒。
So it was a cognac.
所以这是一杯干邑。
You're sure?
你确定吗？
Roman Gadzhilov It was Lautrec.
罗曼·加吉洛夫 这是劳特累克。
OK.
好的。
Roman Gadzhilov Yes.
罗曼·加吉洛夫 是的。
It was Lautrec cognac.
这是劳特累克干邑。
I don't know why-- how come it's become rum.
我不知道为什么——怎么变成了朗姆酒。
It's probably Alex told it was rum, but it was cognac.
亚历克斯可能告诉他那是朗姆酒，但实际上是干邑白兰地。
Not a little bit.
不是一点点。
It was a lot.
这是很多。
We was out of commission, yeah.
我们已经停止工作了，是的。
I was out of commission.
我已经失业了。
Alex and Alex had had a few drinks themselves.
亚历克斯和亚历克斯自己也喝了几杯。
But we were perfectly sober and everything.
但我们完全清醒。
We might have had a few drinks, but we were perfectly sober.
我们可能喝了几杯，但我们完全清醒。
But neither of you knows how to drive a boat?
但你们都不知道如何驾驶船？
No. No. But we got ahold of it.
不，不，但我们找到了它。
It wasn't that hard.
这并不难。
So we knew how to drive it, so, like, it didn't seem pretty hard.
所以我们知道如何驾驶它，所以，看起来并不难。
You turn on the motor, you turn the boat, it turns, cool.
你打开马达，你转动船，它就转动，很酷。
Somehow, they managed to get out of the marina, gun the engine, and take off across the water toward the Marine Park bridge in the distance.
不知何故，他们设法离开码头，发动引擎，飞过水面，飞向远处的海洋公园大桥。
Once there, they decided to try to sail to Brighton Beach and headed toward a land mass.
到达那里后，他们决定尝试航行到布莱顿海滩并前往一块陆地。
But they got confused and turned back to open water.
但他们感到困惑并返回到开阔的水域。
They drank some rum, or maybe cognac.
他们喝了一些朗姆酒，或者干邑白兰地。
One way or another, they drank a lot of it.
无论如何，他们喝了很多。
At one point, they almost crashed into a small island.
有一次，他们差点坠入一座小岛。
Gas was running low.
汽油快用完了。
But they figured that if worst came to worst, they could always put up the sails and still make it home.
但他们认为，即使最坏的情况发生，他们总能扬起帆并安全回家。
Then they got caught in a strong current that turned the boat in circles.
然后他们被一股强大的水流卷入，使船打转。
The perfect time, you would think, to begin to panic.
你可能会认为，这是开始恐慌的最佳时机。
Or-- if you're the kind of person who forgets trouble the moment you're out of it, or even while you're in it-- the perfect time to shoot off all the boat's flares into the water.
或者，如果您是那种一出海，甚至在身处困境时就会忘记麻烦的人，那么这是将船上所有照明弹射入水中的最佳时机。
Just for fun.
只是为了好玩。
Finally, the series of mistakes reached a critical mass.
最后，这一系列的错误达到了临界点。
They had no cell phone.
他们没有手机。
Roman's had died when he fell in the water.
罗曼掉进水里时已经死了。
No flares, no captain, and almost no gas.
没有照明弹，没有船长，几乎没有汽油。
Even Alex had to admit they were in trouble.
就连亚历克斯也不得不承认他们遇到了麻烦。
We didn't know where we were.
我们不知道自己在哪里。
And then we realized we weren't going to make it anywhere.
然后我们意识到我们不会成功。
And we were like, in the morning, we'll figure out what to do.
我们就像，早上，我们会弄清楚该怎么做。
So we went to sleep.
于是我们就去睡觉了。
It was a glorious spring morning on Jamaica Bay-- sun glinting off the water, gulls calling overhead-- as our young pleasure cruisers slumbered.
那是牙买加湾一个明媚的春天早晨——阳光照在水面上闪闪发光，海鸥在头顶上鸣叫——而我们年轻的游船正在沉睡。
The light filtering into the boat's cabin woke Roman and Alex Glubochansky first, and they came up on deck.
进入船舱的光线首先唤醒了罗曼·格鲁博昌斯基和亚历克斯·格鲁博昌斯基，他们来到了甲板上。
What they saw was not good.
他们看到的并不好。
After drifting through the night, the boat had come to rest in the shallows of a small bay alongside an uninhabited landmass.
经过一夜的漂流，船停在无人居住的陆地旁的一个小海湾的浅滩上。
Stretching out behind them, they could see a long furrow where the tide had dragged them deep into thick mud.
他们在身后伸展开来，看到一条长长的犁沟，潮水把他们深深地拖进了厚厚的泥浆里。
And as they stood there, blinking and wondering how this might have happened, the wind carried them another 10 feet inland.
当他们站在那里，眨着眼睛，想知道这是怎么发生的时，风又把他们吹向内陆 10 英尺。
They could see the skyline of Manhattan on the horizon, the runways of JFK airport a little closer, and signs of civilization in every direction.
他们可以看到地平线上的曼哈顿天际线，近一点的肯尼迪机场跑道，以及各个方向的文明标志。
They could even see boats passing by in the distance, but these were too far away to take any notice.
他们甚至可以看到远处有船只驶过，但距离太远，根本无法注意到。
It was obvious that they were-- in a word-- shipwrecked.
很明显，他们——总而言之——遭遇了海难。
The hungover sailors sat down to decide what to do.
宿醉的水手们坐下来决定该怎么做。
Roman and Glubochansky were in favor of waiting to be rescued, or for the tide to rise and pull them out again.
罗曼和格卢博昌斯基赞成等待获救，或者等待潮水上涨将他们再次拉出来。
Meanwhile, Alex was formulating his own plan.
与此同时，亚历克斯正在制定自己的计划。
Beyond the island they were closest to lay another landmass, which Alex was sure led somewhere.
在岛屿之外，他们距离另一块大陆最近，亚历克斯确信这块大陆通向某个地方。
His idea was to swim to it, walk to civilization, catch a bus somewhere, and bring back help for his friends-- who, as Alex remembers it-- thought the plan was, frankly, idiotic.
他的想法是游到那里，步行到文明世界，在某个地方搭乘公共汽车，然后为他的朋友们带回帮助——据亚历克斯回忆，他们认为这个计划，坦率地说，是愚蠢的。
These are islands, said Roman, who, in truth, had actually been out on the Bay before and was in a position to know.
罗曼说，这些都是岛屿，事实上，他以前曾去过海湾，并且有能力了解情况。
But Alex was sure that Roman was wrong.
但亚历克斯确信罗曼错了。
So Alex stripped to his underwear.
于是亚历克斯脱光了内衣。
He put what he thought he might need in a waterproof plastic mayonnaise jar.
他将他认为可能需要的东西放入防水塑料蛋黄酱罐中。
He brought his MetroCard for the bus he was going to swim to, an expired passport for ID, and his favorite Buddhist medallion for luck.
他带了他要游去的公共汽车的地铁卡、一本过期的护照作为身份证件，以及他最喜欢的佛教徽章以求好运。
He wrapped his clothes in a cellophane blanket and bid his friends farewell.
他用玻璃纸毯子裹住衣服，向朋友们告别。
Roman watched him disappear into the surf.
罗曼看着他消失在海浪中。
Of course, I tried to stop him.
当然，我试图阻止他。
I tried to give him reasonable things, but he get a little bit too much excited.
我试图给他合理的东西，但他有点太兴奋了。
So I decide to give him a challenge in life.
所以我决定给他一个人生的挑战。
What?
什么？
Should I just knock him down and say, stop it?
我应该把他打倒然后说别再这样了吗？
You know?
你知道？
He wanted to swim.
他想游泳。
You know, he wanted to swim, and he swam.
你知道，他想游泳，他就游了。
I swam really violently to get myself warmed up.
为了让自己暖和起来，我游得非常猛烈。
And by the middle, I got really tired, and it was really cold.
到了中间，我真的很累，而且天气也很冷。
I'm like, aw, this is much worse than I thought.
我想，噢，这比我想象的要糟糕得多。
And there's birds flying, like picking on me.
还有鸟儿飞来飞去，好像在抓我。
I'm like, oh these crazy, strange, Far Rockaway birds are going to bite me or something, you know?
我想，哦，这些疯狂、奇怪的远洛克威鸟会咬我什么的，你知道吗？
And I got really lucky, because my legs suddenly hit the bottom.
我真的很幸运，因为我的腿突然触底了。
And I'm like-- and I was so happy when I came out of there.
当我从那里出来时，我感到非常高兴。
I was so cold, but I was happy.
虽然我很冷，但我很高兴。
OK.
好的。
And I was definitely sure there was civilization, because tall buildings were right behind the trees.
我确信这里有文明，因为高楼就在树后面。
They were like-- and the bridge was right over there.
他们就像——而桥就在那里。
And I'm like, oh, finally.
我想，哦，终于。
And I was even singing a song walking.
我什至边走边唱着歌。
And the birds were screaming something to me.
鸟儿在向我尖叫着什么。
And I'm like, yeah, you know, I made it.
我想，是的，你知道，我做到了。
I'm still not sure I understand why you left your friends, though.
不过，我仍然不确定我明白你为什么离开你的朋友。
Because I thought we were going to be stuck there for a really long time.
因为我以为我们会被困在那里很长一段时间。
Maybe for the whole day.
也许一整天。
The only thing I could do is just try to get to civilization.
我唯一能做的就是努力走向文明。
And especially-- these islands, they were pressuring me to go there, you know?
尤其是这些岛屿，他们迫使我去那里，你知道吗？
They were so close.
他们是如此亲密。
And I'm like-- and I got really bored, you know.
我真的很无聊，你知道。
I wake up in the morning, and I don't want to stay in one spot on the yacht and, like, think about how are we going to get saved, you know?
我早上醒来，我不想呆在游艇上的一个地方，想一想我们如何才能得救，你知道吗？
I really want to do something.
我真的很想做点什么。
And I'm like, OK.
我想，好吧。
I'm going to have this little adventure.
我将要经历一次小小的冒险。
I'm going to go out and try to make it somewhere.
我要出去尝试去某个地方。
And I did.
我做到了。
Except he didn't.
但他没有。
Soon, he realized that he was, indeed, on another island, with no way off except to swim back through the freezing water to rejoin his friends.
很快，他意识到自己确实在另一个岛上，除了游回冰冷的海水与朋友们会合之外，别无其他出路。
And he wasn't about to do that.
而他并不打算这么做。
He was alone.
他独自一人。
So Alex set about doing all the things a good castaway should do.
于是亚历克斯开始做一个好漂流者应该做的所有事情。
He wrote a giant help in the sand for the benefit of the planes landing at JFK.
为了飞机在肯尼迪机场降落，他在沙子上写下了巨大的帮助。
He circumnavigated the island looking for supplies.
他绕岛一周寻找补给品。
He found a stick and a piece of red cloth and made a flag to signal passing ships.
他找到了一根棍子和一块红布，制作了一面旗帜来向过往的船只发出信号。
Then he found several big pieces of Styrofoam and some wood and spent an hour or two fashioning a raft, but it collapsed when he sat down on it.
然后他找到了几块大块聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料和一些木头，花了一两个小时制作了一个木筏，但当他坐在上面时木筏就倒塌了。
Undeterred, he went back to searching for something that would be his ticket off the island.
他没有被吓倒，继续寻找可以作为他离开岛屿的门票的东西。
And then he found it.
然后他找到了。
It was the hollowed out carcass of a jet ski-- or as he calls it, a scooter.
这是一架摩托艇——或者用他的话说，一辆踏板车——的镂空躯体。
I knew-- I 100% knew that it was going to float, although it was pretty badly dug into the sand.
我知道——我 100% 知道它会漂浮，尽管它被深深地埋进沙子里。
And as I was digging out the scooter, something really bad happened.
当我挖出踏板车时，发生了非常糟糕的事情。
Like there was pieces of glass under it, and I didn't see.
好像下面有玻璃碎片，但我没看到。
I was just digging and digging.
我只是一直在挖啊挖。
And I didn't have any shovel or anything.
而且我没有铲子什么的。
And I cut my finger really bad.
我的手指被割得很厉害。
I started getting huge amounts of blood was coming out.
我开始大量流血。
And I had this white T-shirt that was eventually all in blood.
我的这件白色 T 恤最终沾满了血。
Now, there was really no way off the island, even by swimming-- because, well, you know, sharks.
现在，即使是游泳，也确实没有办法离开这个岛——因为，嗯，你知道，有鲨鱼。
It was a galling situation.
这是一个令人难堪的情况。
And it was made even more maddening because the city was right there.
更令人抓狂的是，因为这座城市就在那里。
I was thinking, how the hell did I get myself into this situation?
我在想，我到底是怎么让自己陷入这样的境地的？
I never believed that something like this could happen in, like, New York City, you know?
我从来不相信这样的事情会发生在纽约市，你知道吗？
Like, and it's such a huge city that you could see skyscrapers like 10 miles away.
就像，这是一个如此巨大的城市，你可以看到 10 英里外的摩天大楼。
And on the other side, you can die looking at them, you know?
而在另一边，你可能会看着它们而死，你知道吗？
And also, I got a little mad at the city of New York.
而且，我对纽约市有点生气。
Like, I could understand if they had just one payphone there.
就像，如果他们只有一部公用电话，我就能理解。
Or at least, I don't know, like a button to press to know that you're there, you know?
或者至少，我不知道，就像按下一个按钮就知道你在那里，你知道吗？
By probably 6 o'clock in the evening, it was getting a little dark.
大概到了晚上六点多，天色已经有些暗了。
All my excitement has fled away, and I got very cold.
我所有的兴奋都消失了，我变得很冷。
So I was like shaking, you know?
所以我就像在发抖，你知道吗？
Shivering, and no help at all.
瑟瑟发抖，根本没有任何帮助。
So I'm like, wow, this is going to get really bad.
所以我想，哇，这会变得非常糟糕。
I was very hungry, and I was very thirsty.
我很饿，也很渴。
And I found limes.
我发现了酸橙。
I tried to open them up, but they tasted so nasty.
我试图打开它们，但它们的味道太难吃了。
I couldn't-- I didn't even think about eating them.
我不能——我什至没有想过要吃它们。
There was no source of food other than the ducks.
除了鸭子之外，没有其他食物来源。
Ah, yes the ducks.
啊，是的，鸭子。
You'll want to hear about the ducks.
你会想听听关于鸭子的事情。
If I wasn't going to get rescued in the next hour or two, I had a plan to kill a bunch of ducks to get some warm blood to warm myself, you know?
如果我在接下来的一两个小时内没有获救，我计划杀掉一群鸭子来获得一些热血来温暖自己，你知道吗？
So to drink some blood and to cut them open and use them, like to warm myself.
所以喝一些血，把它们切开并使用它们，就像取暖一样。
I had this strange idea about use them as slippers.
我有一个奇怪的想法，想把它们用作拖鞋。
I even had-- after that, I even had this psychedelic idea of floating on the ducks.
我什至——在那之后，我什至产生了漂浮在鸭子上的迷幻想法。
Making a raft out of the ducks.
用鸭子制作木筏。
Imagine a man with strings attached to the ducks, floating on the water, so it's like this duck rider, you know?
想象一下，一个人用绳子绑在鸭子上，漂浮在水面上，就像这个鸭子骑手，你知道吗？
Totally normal for a Russian hiker to go and pick up a duck-- not just to kill it, but to eat it.
对于俄罗斯徒步旅行者来说，去捡一只鸭子是完全正常的——不仅仅是为了杀死它，而是为了吃它。
Like--
就像——
I'm still-- I can't-- I don't-- like you could just go over and pick up the duck?
我仍然——我不能——我不——就像你可以过去把鸭子捡起来？
Like how did you catch the duck?
比如你是怎么抓到鸭子的？
Oh you just go after it with a stick.
哦，你只要用棍子追它就可以了。
I mean, you're a human being.
我的意思是，你是一个人。
You got more brains than a duck.
你的脑子比鸭子还多。
You can catch it.
你可以抓住它。
But I wasn't really thinking about doing it.
但我并没有真正考虑这样做。
I wasn't, like, fantasizing about killing ducks or anything like that.
我并没有幻想杀死鸭子或类似的事情。
I was just thinking that if it comes to that, I'll have to get some blood to drink, you know?
我只是想，如果到了那个时候，我就得去喝点血了，你知道吗？
I know it sounds very violent, but I was fighting for my life, you know?
我知道这听起来很暴力，但我正在为自己的生命而战，你知道吗？
Like, people might laugh when they hear about being trapped on an island that's so close to civilization.
就像，当人们听说被困在一个如此接近文明的岛屿上时可能会笑。
And the sharks, and the ducks-- I knew it was a funny situation.
还有鲨鱼和鸭子——我知道这是一个有趣的情况。
But I really got the feeling of what it was like being on a desert island.
但我确实感受到了在荒岛上的感觉。
I felt like Robinson Crusoe, you know?
我感觉就像鲁宾逊漂流记，你知道吗？
I knew what it was like to be by yourself, away from civilization, with no help, and you're facing this huge problem.
我知道独自一人、远离文明、没有帮助是什么感觉，而你正面临着这个巨大的问题。
And the only person that's near you is you and the ghost of your death close by, you know?
唯一靠近你的人就是你和你附近的死亡鬼魂，你知道吗？
So I could smell the-- smell my death in the air.
所以我能在空气中闻到我的死亡的味道。
It turns out that the island where Alex was stranded is called Ruffle Bar, and it lies only a 20-minute boat ride away from the coast of Brooklyn.
原来，亚历克斯被困的那个岛叫Ruffle Bar，距离布鲁克林海岸只有20分钟船程。
Far from being traumatized or ashamed of his exploits, Alex wanted nothing more than to go back out there.
亚历克斯并没有因为自己的事迹而受到创伤或羞愧，他只想回到那里。
And from the advantage of my overpriced, under-sized apartment, I wanted to see a place where you could be totally alone in the wilderness, smelling your own death in the air, while in at least theoretical commuting distance to Midtown Manhattan.
凭借我的公寓价格过高、面积较小的优势，我想看到一个地方，在那里你可以完全独自在荒野中，在空气中闻到自己死亡的味道，同时至少在理论上可以到达曼哈顿中城的通勤距离。
So we hired a boat to take us to Ruffle Bar.
所以我们租了一艘船带我们去Ruffle Bar。
In truth, I wasn't as completely surprised as some might be to learn that such a place exists.
事实上，当我得知有这样一个地方存在时，我并不像某些人那样完全感到惊讶。
I grew up near the islands of Jamaica Bay in a neighborhood called Canarsie.
我在牙买加湾岛屿附近一个叫卡纳西的社区长大。
And when I was little, my friends and I would cut through the empty lots near my house to explore the mix of trash and nature on the shoreline.
当我小的时候，我和我的朋友们会穿过我家附近的空地，探索海岸线上垃圾和自然的混合。
It was a place totally apart from the rest of my mostly urban childhood.
这是一个与我大部分城市童年时光完全不同的地方。
A secret place that my friends who lived even 10 or 15 blocks away were unaware existed.
这是一个秘密的地方，即使是住在 10 或 15 个街区之外的朋友也不知道它的存在。
But then the smaller islands around New York have always occupied a weird place on the edge of the city.
但纽约周围的小岛屿总是占据城市边缘的一个奇怪的地方。
Home to all sorts of enterprise that the citizenry either doesn't know about or prefers not to see.
这里是公民不知道或不愿意看到的各种企业的所在地。
Sanitariums and prisons, potter's fields, and grand failed schemes.
疗养院和监狱、陶工田和失败的宏伟计划。
Ruffle Bar itself had been the site of several of the latter.
Ruffle 酒吧本身就是其中几家酒吧的所在地。
Since the Civil War, it had housed a ferry stop, a resort hotel, and even a short-lived dune community of some 40 buildings.
自内战以来，这里曾是一个轮渡站、一家度假酒店，甚至还有一个由约 40 栋建筑组成的短暂沙丘社区。
We stop in front of a concrete foundation.
我们停在一个混凝土地基前。
Oh, look this is a cool thing.
哦，看，这是一件很酷的事情。
This is one of the World War II things that's here.
这是这里的二战时期的事情之一。
Like, you open them up, and you can go inside.
就像，你打开它们，你就可以进去。
There's like a room in there.
里面好像有一个房间。
It might be something like a bunker or something.
它可能是像掩体之类的东西。
You see the rope here?
你看到这里的绳子了吗？
And the rope is really old.
而且绳子真的很旧。
Let me take a picture of this.
让我拍一张照片。
There are no buildings left here.
这里已经没有任何建筑物了。
The island is returned to a deeply wild state.
该岛恢复了原始状态。
There's a wall of dense brush and a few trees around which sinister gulls are circling.
这里有一堵茂密的灌木丛和几棵树，邪恶的海鸥在周围盘旋。
We pass a flock of ducks who take one look at Alex and wisely move away.
我们经过一群鸭子，它们看了亚历克斯一眼，就明智地走开了。
Well I don't think it's-- I am really thinking about where the heck is this scooter, because it seems like it should be, like, as we turn, there should be more shoreline here.
好吧，我不认为这是——我真的在想这辆踏板车到底在哪里，因为它似乎应该是，就像，当我们转弯时，这里应该有更多的海岸线。
Maybe the--
也许是——
Is this it?
是这个吗？
Alex Zharov Yup, that's exactly it.
亚历克斯·扎罗夫 是的，就是这样。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
This is the scooter I tried to dig out.
这是我试图挖出来的踏板车。
Let me show you.
让我告诉你。
Maybe you'll see the glass and stuff.
也许你会看到玻璃和其他东西。
That's awesome.
太棒了。
As we search for Alex's Buddhist medallion that he'd left in the excitement of the helicopter rescue, we walk across a plane of thick, dry grass, matted down like a carpet.
当我们寻找亚历克斯在直升机救援时兴奋地留下的佛教徽章时，我们走过一片厚实、干燥的草地，草地像地毯一样铺满了地毯。
Underneath, you can hear shells crunching and mysterious things scurrying around.
在下面，你可以听到贝壳嘎吱作响的声音和神秘的东西四处乱窜的声音。
Still, reminders that we are, in fact, in a major metropolis are always close at hand.
尽管如此，提醒我们实际上是在一个大都市的提醒总是近在咫尺。
For one thing, there's the garbage.
一方面，有垃圾。
Piles of plastic and driftwood, but also shoes, steering wheels, prescription bottles, deflated balloons, a washer dryer, several refrigerators, and, oddly, boats.
成堆的塑料和浮木，还有鞋子、方向盘、处方瓶、泄气的气球、洗衣机、烘干机、几台冰箱，还有奇怪的船。
Three perfectly intact ones, complete with oars.
三个完好无损，还配有桨。
I hesitate to point these out to Alex, though, to be fair, they're probably too heavy for him to have dragged to the water.
我犹豫是否要向亚历克斯指出这些，但公平地说，它们可能太重了，他无法拖到水里。
And then there's this reminder of civilization.
然后就是文明的提醒。
[PHONE RINGING] Alex Zharov Hold on.
[电话铃声] 亚历克斯·扎罗夫 (Alex Zharov) 稍等。
[SPEAKING RUSSIAN]
[说俄语]
He was always close enough to the city that simply having a cell phone would have had him tucked safely into bed within half an hour.
他总是离城市很近，只要有一部手机，他就能在半小时内安全地躺在床上。
Alex was finally rescued after seven hours, thanks to Roman and Glubochansky.
感谢罗曼和格卢博昌斯基，亚历克斯在七个小时后终于获救。
Back on the boat, they were having a fine old time.
回到船上，他们度过了一段美好的时光。
A police helicopter was performing drills nearby.
一架警用直升机正在附近进行演习。
And apparently-- no slouches in the clicheed castaway department themselves-- they had figured out that they could signal it with a mirror.
显然——在陈词滥调的漂流者部门本身并没有懈怠——他们已经发现他们可以用镜子来发出信号。
But why rush?
但为什么要着急呢？
We really enjoyed the time staying there.
我们真的很享受住在那里的时光。
We was just sitting in the boat and, you know, smoking the last tobacco that we had left.
我们只是坐在船上，你知道，抽着我们剩下的最后一根烟。
And we make a deal that we're not going to eat each other if we're really going to get hungry.
我们达成协议，如果我们真的饿了，就不会互相吃掉。
So basically, it was having fun.
所以基本上，它很有趣。
You know, just a little bit.
你知道，只是一点点。
No hustle, no nothing.
没有喧嚣，什么也没有。
You know, very quiet.
你知道，非常安静。
Nice weather.
天气很好。
Oh, so you didn't-- so you were actually holding off signaling the helicopters while you had a nice day?
哦，所以你没有——所以你在度过愉快的一天时实际上推迟了向直升机发出信号？
Still, as it began to get dark and the cigarettes ran out, the friends thought it was probably time to get a move on.
尽管如此，随着天色开始变暗，香烟也用完了，朋友们认为可能是时候继续前进了。
The helicopter soon arrived and airlifted them off the boat.
直升机很快赶到，将他们从船上空运下来。
It wasn't until they were safely ashore, wrapped in blankets and being fed complimentary cookies, that either of them happened to mention that there had been a third passenger.
直到他们安全上岸，裹着毯子，吃着免费的饼干，他们才碰巧提到还有第三名乘客。
When the helicopter came back for Alex, cold, exhaustion, and dehydration had left him in a trance-like, almost wild state.
当直升机接亚历克斯回来时，寒冷、疲惫和脱水让他处于一种恍惚、近乎疯狂的状态。
And for him, this island will always be a place where maybe there'd be monsters.
而对于他来说，这座岛屿永远都是一个可能存在怪物的地方。
And I was actually-- when I was here, I was wondering if it's like totally wild place.
事实上，当我在这里的时候，我想知道这里是否完全是一个荒野。
Are there any animals here other than birds?
这里除了鸟以外还有其他动物吗？
I was maybe hoping to see some cool animal, like a badger or something.
我也许希望看到一些很酷的动物，比如獾之类的。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I like badgers a lot.
我非常喜欢獾。
Is that right?
是这样吗？
Alex Zharov Yeah, it's one of my favorite animals.
亚历克斯·扎罗夫（Alex Zharov）是的，它是我最喜欢的动物之一。
You know, I like badgers for the same reason probably I like the state of Utah, where I never was.
你知道，我喜欢獾的原因可能就像我喜欢犹他州一样，但我从未去过那里。
It's like something that has some kind of-- what's it called-- like a secret, or it's hiding, or it's like-- they attract me in the way that they might be hiding something cool from me.
这就像某种东西——它叫什么——就像一个秘密，或者隐藏着，或者就像——它们吸引我的方式是它们可能向我隐瞒了一些很酷的东西。
And that's what, after many hours spent with Alex, I find myself liking about him the most-- his insistence on finding mystery and adventure everywhere he looks.
这就是，在与亚历克斯相处了很多个小时之后，我发现自己最喜欢他的一点——他坚持在他所看到的任何地方寻找神秘和冒险。
It's easy to laugh at that, to write it all off as adolescent stupidity.
人们很容易对此一笑置之，将其视为青春期的愚蠢行为。
But what if it's more than that?
但如果不止于此呢？
What if it's also a kind of adolescent magic?
如果这也是一种青春期魔法呢？
Actually, I'm thinking that this needed to happen, you know?
事实上，我认为这需要发生，你知道吗？
I think if I was a boring person and I would just, like, stay at home all the time, and be, like, a nerd, I would never get into this situation.
我想，如果我是一个无聊的人，我就喜欢一直呆在家里，就像一个书呆子，我永远不会陷入这种境地。
So I think this happened strictly because I was with the right people at the right time, like, in the right situation.
所以我认为这一切的发生完全是因为我在正确的时间、在正确的情况下与正确的人在一起。
Think about that.
想想看。
Every step of the way, by almost any measure, Alex could not have been more wrong.
从几乎任何标准来看，亚历克斯的每一步都错得离谱。
It takes a special kind of grace to turn that into right time, right place.
需要一种特殊的恩典才能将其转化为正确的时间、正确的地点。
And how can you help but envy that?
你怎么能不羡慕呢？
Who wouldn't rather live in a world where if you believe you should have an adventure, you do?
谁不愿意生活在一个如果你相信自己应该冒险的话，你就会冒险的世界呢？
In which each of your mistakes doesn't narrow your life, but expands it?
你的每一个错误都不会缩小你的生活，反而会扩展你的生活？
In which the worst thing that could possibly happen is being bored, and you can go to sleep on stormy seas and trust that when you wake up, if you're very lucky, you'll be in Utah?
其中可能发生的最糟糕的事情就是无聊，你可以在波涛汹涌的海上入睡，并相信当你醒来时，如果你很幸运，你会在犹他州？
What I'm trying to say is this.
我想说的是这个。
Alex does something I never in a million years would have thought possible.
亚历克斯做了一些我在一百万年内都无法想象的事情。
He makes me think it might be cool to be a teenager again.
他让我觉得再次成为青少年可能很酷。
There's a story that back in the 1830s, a ship carrying $54,000 in Mexican gold was hijacked by pirates outside Jamaica Bay, and that the treasure was buried somewhere near Ruffle Bar.
有一个故事，早在 1830 年代，一艘载有价值 54,000 美元墨西哥黄金的船在牙买加湾外被海盗劫持，宝藏被埋在 Ruffle Bar 附近的某个地方。
On our way back from the island, I tell Alex this, and he listens with great interest.
从岛上回来的路上，我把这件事告诉了亚历克斯，他饶有兴趣地听着。
If he found the treasure, he wants to know, could he keep it?
如果他找到了宝藏，他想知道他能保留它吗？
Maybe, I say.
也许吧，我说。
If he didn't tell anybody.
如果他不告诉任何人的话。
To which Alex answers-- precisely as I know he will, the only way he possibly can.
亚历克斯对此做出了回答——正如我所知道的，他会这样做，这是他可能做到的唯一方法。
He says, but what if I told everybody?
他说，但是如果我告诉所有人呢？
Brett Martin.
布雷特·马丁.
He's the author of Difficult Men: Behind the Scenes of a Creative Revolution.
他是《难相处的人：创意革命的幕后》一书的作者。
Coming up, the thing about Chicago that nobody outside Chicago believes about Chicago but that actually is completely and totally true.
接下来，关于芝加哥的事情，芝加哥之外没有人相信芝加哥，但这实际上是完全正确的。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme and bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, In the Shadow of the City.
今天的节目是《城市的阴影》。
Stories about things happening out of sight from most of us, but very close to us.
故事讲述了我们大多数人看不见但又离我们很近的事情。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, Troubled Bridge Over Water.
第二幕，困难的水上桥梁。
In 2003, on the edge of a city halfway around the world, in Nanjing, China, a man named Chen Si-- Mr. Chen-- headed out to a bridge away from his wife and daughter.
2003年，在地球另一端的一座城市的边缘，中国南京，一个名叫陈四的男人——陈先生——远离妻子和女儿，走向一座桥。
He was there for 10 hours a day.
他每天在那里呆10个小时。
The bridge he chose is this concrete communist monstrosity, four miles long, covered with slogans that celebrate the worker.
他选择的桥梁是这座混凝土的共产主义怪物，四英里长，上面贴满了颂扬工人的标语。
Four lanes of traffic and thousands of pedestrians on the top deck.
顶层甲板上有四车道交通和数千名行人。
Two train tracks on the lower deck, over the Yangtze River into Nanjing, a city of seven million.
下层有两条铁轨，越过长江进入南京这座七百万人口的城市。
Estimates are fuzzy, but the best guess is that one person per week commits suicide off this bridge.
估计是模糊的，但最好的猜测是每周有一个人从这座桥上自杀。
Quick heads up, by the way, that this story is going to discuss suicide.
顺便提一下，这个故事将讨论自杀。
Mr. Chen decided he wanted to try to keep them from jumping.
陈先生决定设法阻止他们跳下去。
And he started to-- singlehandedly, at first, then with an occasional volunteer.
他开始——一开始是独自一人，然后偶尔与志愿者一起。
The blog that he keeps about this is the most sober, taciturn, non-boastful account of saving lives imaginable.
他所写的博客是关于拯救生命的最清醒、最沉默、最不自夸的记录。
Occasionally, Mr. Chen will insert his feelings.
偶尔，陈先生也会插入自己的感情。
"Beware heavy thoughts," he declares to himself during one entry.
“小心沉重的想法，”他在一篇文章中对自己宣称。
"How I wish that he would soon be free of this shadow," he says about an old man he saved in another.
“我多么希望他能尽快摆脱这个阴影，”他谈到他在另一个地方救下的一位老人时说道。
But mostly it's just the facts.
但大多数情况下这只是事实。
Here's a translation from the Chinese.
这是中文的翻译。
"On July 25 at 10:30 in the morning, I discovered a woman lying on the bridge railing, on her belly, weeping.
“7月25日上午10时30分，我发现一名女子趴在桥栏杆上哭泣。
I went to her.
我去找她。
She wiped her eyes.
她擦了擦眼睛。
She said she was just playing, and walked toward the center of the bridge.
她说她只是玩玩，然后朝桥中央走去。
I went with her, and she-- very ordinarily-- dialed her cell phone.
我和她一起去了，她——非常平常地——拨通了她的手机。
When I returned at 1:10, I discovered that she had already climbed up on the bridge railing.
1点10分我回来时，发现她已经爬上了桥栏杆。
I restrained her and forced her onto a moped.
我制止了她，强迫她上了一辆轻便摩托车。
She is from Nanjing's Jianye district.
她来自南京市建邺区。
"Her last name is Zhao, and today she's 45 years old.
“她姓赵，今年45岁。
Because her husband, surnamed Li and 51 years old, is violent towards her and mistreats her, she thought killing herself would be better.
由于她51岁的李姓丈夫对她施暴、虐待，她认为自杀比较好。
However, she is silent when she thinks of her 15-year-old son.
然而，一想到15岁的儿子，她就沉默了。
"March 21, 2010.
“2010 年 3 月 21 日。
Yesterday at 3:05 PM, I saved a young man in the middle of the bridge.
昨天下午3点05分，我在桥中间救了一个年轻人。
He had drunk a lot of alcohol and was planning to jump over the bridge railing.
他喝了很多酒，正打算跳过桥栏杆。
I at once restrained him and dragged him to safety.
我立即制止了他，把他拖到了安全的地方。
As we spoke, I learned the situation was actually quite funny.
当我们交谈时，我了解到情况实际上很有趣。
He was thinking about jumping because last year, his wife promised to start returning to him 200 Yuan of his monthly 1,400 Yuan salary to spend as he pleased.
他之所以考虑跳槽，是因为去年他的妻子答应从他每月1400元的工资中开始返还200元给他，让他随心所欲地花。
But she had not honored her promise.
但她并没有兑现她的诺言。
"Yesterday afternoon, he started drinking with his friends.
“昨天下午，他开始和朋友喝酒。
And the more he drank, the angrier he got.
而且喝得越多，他就越生气。
He believed that killing himself would make her realize that not one cent had come to him.
他相信，自杀会让她意识到他一分钱都没有得到。
He then said another funny thing.
然后他又说了一件有趣的话。
His mother's colleague said that the bridge is haunted and could take one's soul.
他母亲的同事说这座桥闹鬼，可以夺走人的灵魂。
I said, haha, it is haunted by drunk ghosts, and I took him home.
我说，哈哈，是醉鬼出没，我就带他回家了。
This was the calmest, simplest rescue I've made in recent years."
这是我近年来所做的最平静、最简单的救援。”
Many of Mr. Chen's entries are about the people that he does not save.
陈先生的许多条目都是关于他没有拯救的人。
"February 15, 5:30 in the morning, a middle aged man jumped to his death.
2月15日凌晨5时30分，一名中年男子跳楼身亡。
It is reported at this time that he was holding a photograph of his family.
据悉，此时他手里拿着一张家人的照片。
"August 10, 2008, Saturday afternoon at 1:40 PM, a young woman 300 meters from the south end of the bridge climbed under the bridge railing.
“2008年8月10日，星期六下午1点40分，距离大桥南端300米处，一名年轻女子爬下桥栏杆。
I immediately started my moped, but because they accelerated too quickly, the moped leaked oil and ignited.
我立即启动了助力车，但由于加速太快，助力车漏油并着火了。
I had to run to her.
我不得不跑向她。
But when I was 200 meters away, she jumped into the Yangtze.
可当我距离200米时，她却跳进了长江。
Her silhouette was visible in the water at a spot 50 meters away, and I could still hear her yelling for help until a large wave obscured her from view."
50米外的水中，她的身影清晰可见，我仍然能听到她的呼救声，直到一个大浪遮住了她的视线。”
At the end of each year, Mr. Chen does an inventory of how things are going on the bridge.
每年年底，陈先生都会对桥上的情况进行盘点。
This one is from the end of 2009.
这是2009年底的事情。
He wrote that since he began back in 2003, he saved at that point 174 people from committing suicide, counseled another 5,150 on the bridge, and 16,000 on the phone.
他写道，自 2003 年开始以来，他已挽救了 174 名自杀者，并在桥上为另外 5,150 人提供了咨询，并通过电话为 16,000 人提供了咨询。
51,000 people had texted him.
有 51,000 人给他发短信。
Total days volunteering to that point-- 646.
到那时志愿服务的总天数为 646 天。
Mike Paterniti wrote a magazine article about Mr. Chen.
迈克·帕特尼蒂（Mike Paterniti）在杂志上发表了一篇关于陈先生的文章。
He first heard about him years ago from news reports.
几年前，他第一次从新闻报道中听说了他。
He read a bit of his blog in Google translate.
他用谷歌翻译阅读了一些博客。
He felt like he had to meet this man, who, on his own, had decided to rescue so many people, and flew to China.
他觉得自己必须要见见这个人，这个人凭一己之力决定拯救这么多人，并飞往中国。
I thought maybe-- maybe I'll see him in action.
我想也许——也许我会看到他的表现。
Maybe I'll get to see him save somebody.
也许我会看到他救人。
Just as back story, I mean, I actually came-- I had come from Cambodia.
就像背景故事一样，我的意思是，我实际上来自——我来自柬埔寨。
So I was covering these genocide trials, so I wasn't-- I didn't have the most optimistic feelings about humanity.
所以我报道了这些种族灭绝审判，所以我对人类没有最乐观的感觉。
And I thought I was going to find something there.
我想我会在那里找到一些东西。
You thought you were going to meet like, a hopeful figure?
你以为你会遇到一个充满希望的人物吗？
Yeah, I mean hope, perseverance, generosity.
是的，我的意思是希望、毅力、慷慨。
But as soon as I got on the bridge, I realized that all those notions were completely absurd.
但一上桥，我就发现这些想法完全是荒谬的。
I mean I got instantly depressed.
我的意思是我立刻就沮丧了。
First of all, there's this four-mile long bridge, and this one man out there sort of trying to pick out who was going to jump.
首先，有一座四英里长的桥，这个人在那里试图找出谁要跳下去。
It just seemed, from a distance, like insurmountable odds to actually maybe pull somebody off the bridge.
从远处看，将某人从桥上拉下来似乎是不可克服的困难。
Yeah, you wrote in the article at one point, you said, first of all, there's the cars, and there's the trains, and the bridge is shaking, and then there's just like a sea of people-- thousands of people in the rain with umbrellas going back and forth on the bridge.
是的，你在文章中曾经写到，你说，首先是汽车，还有火车，桥在摇晃，然后就是人山人海，成千上万的人在雨中打着伞在桥上来来回回。
And he's just one guy kind of walking up and down.
他只是一个走来走去的人。
And he has this little moped, and does a little cruise on the bridge every once in a while.
他有一辆小型轻便摩托车，每隔一段时间就会在桥上巡航一下。
But even that is a somewhat comical sight to behold.
但即便如此，这也是一个有点滑稽的景象。
You know, he's on this little broken-down moped, putt-putting through the crowd with his big pair of binoculars around his neck.
你知道，他骑着这辆破旧的轻便摩托车，脖子上挂着一副大双筒望远镜，推着推杆穿过人群。
You know, I sort of thought, maybe this isn't even real.
你知道，我想，也许这根本就不是真的。
Like, maybe this blog is a complete figment of his imagination, or a fiction that he constructs, you know, once a week.
就像，也许这个博客完全是他的想象力的虚构，或者是他每周一次构建的虚构作品。
And I just don't see how this guy can save anybody out here.
我只是不明白这个家伙如何能够拯救这里的任何人。
And you write in your article, he will he won't really talk to you when you're there on the bridge.
你在文章中写道，当你在桥上时，他不会真正和你说话。
Yeah.
是的。
He is really grumpy and unwilling to acknowledge me.
他脾气真的很暴躁，不愿意承认我。
And so give me a typical exchange between the two of you on the bridge.
请给我介绍一下你们两个在桥上的典型交流。
I think I did ask, like, why are you standing here as opposed to any other spot on this four-mile-long bridge?
我想我确实问过，比如，你为什么站在这里，而不是这座四英里长的桥上的其他地方？
And he turned and lifted his binoculars and focused out toward the river, and then brought his binoculars down, turned the other way, put his binoculars up, and focused in the other direction on the crowd.
他转身举起双筒望远镜，将目光投向河流，然后又放下双筒望远镜，转向另一个方向，举起双筒望远镜，将目光投向另一个方向的人群。
No. It wasn't like-- it was like I wasn't even there.
不，那不像——就好像我根本不在那儿。
It was like I was some ghost.
就好像我是一个幽灵。
And I sort of went through some of this.
我也经历过一些这样的事情。
And then I said, maybe is there a better time for us to talk?
然后我说，也许我们有更好的时间谈谈？
And he said to the translator, you know, I can talk to you at lunch.
他对翻译说，你知道，我可以在午餐时和你谈谈。
So you go to lunch with him, and what happens there?
所以你和他一起去吃午饭，然后发生了什么？
Well, so we were in a little what they call family restaurant near the bridge.
好吧，所以我们在桥附近的一家小餐馆里，他们称之为家庭餐馆。
And there are no families present.
而且没有家人在场。
I mean, it's just workers.
我的意思是，这只是工人。
And they're pretty hard-drinking-- in this case, grain alcohol and beer.
他们非常酗酒——在这种情况下，他们喝的是谷物酒精和啤酒。
Mhm.
嗯。
Mike Paterniti And so we sit down at the table.
迈克·帕特尼蒂 (Mike Paterniti) 于是我们坐在桌旁。
And Mr. Chen has invited a man to join us whose name is Mr. Xi.
陈先生邀请了一位名叫习先生的人加入我们。
And then we are served some food.
然后我们会得到一些食物。
And Mr. Chen and Mr. Xi start really drinking a lot of grain alcohol.
陈先生和习先生开始大量饮用谷物酒。
And I started to, sort of, drink with them because it was the convivial thing to do.
我开始和他们一起喝酒，因为这是一件欢乐的事情。
And then I just realized, I am going to pass out if I try to stay with these guys.
然后我才意识到，如果我试图和这些家伙待在一起，我就会昏倒。
I mean, like, I'm literally-- I was-- my head was spinning and I was-- the whole room was revolving.
我的意思是，就像，我真的——我是——我的头在旋转，我是——整个房间都在旋转。
I just was like-- and he was very disappointed.
我只是想——他非常失望。
And so he sort of said, you know, just we're drinking here, this is what we do at lunch.
所以他有点说，你知道，我们只是在这里喝酒，这就是我们午餐时所做的。
And drinking loosens the tongue, and so get with the program.
喝酒可以放松舌头，所以继续这个计划吧。
And if you can't, then why don't you put on a dress?
如果你不能，那你为什么不穿上裙子呢？
But then he-- you know, at lunch he definitely opened up a little bit more.
但后来他——你知道，午餐时他确实敞开心扉了一些。
I mean, he wasn't looking at me when he answered questions.
我的意思是，他回答问题时没有看着我。
But he was answering them, and he was speaking more expansively about life on the bridge.
但他正在回答他们，并且更广泛地谈论桥上的生活。
Did he explain why it is that he does this?
他有解释为什么他这样做吗？
He said he had read a newspaper article about the bridge, and about people jumping off the bridge.
他说他读过一篇关于这座桥和人们跳桥的报纸文章。
And he himself had grown up in the country outside of Nanjing.
而他本人则是在南京以外的乡村长大的。
So he really related in particular to these people from the villages who came to the bridge to end their lives, and whose lives were hard and full of despair.
所以他对这些来到桥上结束生命的村里人特别有感情，他们的生活是艰难而充满绝望的。
And he completely understood that.
他完全明白这一点。
So you go back up to the bridge, and he putters off on his moped.
于是你回到桥上，他骑着轻便摩托车出发了。
And then--
然后——
Yeah, and then he jumped on his moped to go on his rounds.
是的，然后他跳上轻便摩托车去巡视。
And I didn't have anything to do, but I turned to the translator, Susan, and I said, hey, let's take a little walk out on the bridge.
我没什么可做的，但我转向翻译苏珊，我说，嘿，我们到桥上散散步吧。
And so we started walking out over the bridge.
于是我们开始走出桥。
And we're chatting a little bit.
我们正在闲聊。
And this guy kind of came lurching by.
这家伙摇摇晃晃地走了过来。
And he-- I didn't pay any attention to him.
而他——我没有注意他。
But this guy is about 20 feet-- 30 feet ahead of us, and he seems to be climbing up on the railing.
但这家伙就在我们前面大约 20 英尺到 30 英尺处，而且他似乎正在爬上栏杆。
And at that point, I just yelled, hey!
就在那时，我只是大喊，嘿！
And then I said to Susan, he's going to go over.
然后我对苏珊说，他要过去。
And I started running for him, and Susan came running.
我开始为他奔跑，苏珊也跑过来。
And I had that one little flash of Mr. Chen saying, some of these people will really take you with them if they can.
我突然想起陈先生说，如果可以的话，这些人中的一些人真的会带你一起去。
They're that desperate.
他们就是这么绝望。
And I had that little flash, like, this would be a stupid way to die.
我有那么一点闪光，就像，这将是一种愚蠢的死亡方式。
This would be ridiculous if I--
这将是荒谬的，如果我——
Yeah.
是的。
Mike Paterniti --go down with this guy.
迈克·帕特尼蒂——跟这个家伙下去吧。
But it didn't come to that because when I got to him, I had my foot on the inside of the, sort of, the concrete buttress.
但事情并没有发展到那一步，因为当我走到他身边时，我的脚踩在了混凝土扶壁的内侧。
And I tried to flip him back toward me.
我试图把他翻回到我身边。
And he was completely limp.
他完全瘫软了。
He was like a bag of sawdust.
他就像一袋锯末。
He just flipped right back onto me.
他刚刚又转回到我身上。
And I hadn't even really pulled him that hard.
我什至没有真正用力拉他。
It's hard to explain, but when I think of it, I just get-- I have to say, just I have just goosebumps all over my body right now.
这很难解释，但当我想到这一点时，我不得不说，我现在全身起鸡皮疙瘩。
Because?
因为？
Mike Paterniti Because he was going to kill himself.
迈克·帕特尼蒂 因为他要自杀。
And because he didn't.
因为他没有。
So did you feel good?
那么你感觉好吗？
Mike Paterniti Um, no. I didn't feel good.
迈克·帕特尼蒂 嗯，不。我感觉不太好。
I felt like kind of nauseous.
我感觉有点恶心。
I felt like, wow, you know, they're-- every week, somebody actually does this thing.
我感觉，哇，你知道，他们每周都会有人真正做这件事。
And even if we were to clone Mr. Chen, and there were 200 of them out there, they'd probably still, one a week, someone would figure out how to do it.
即使我们要克隆陈先生，而且那里有 200 个克隆人，他们可能仍然会每周克隆一个，有人会弄清楚如何做到这一点。
And then, like, oh my god, who's coming next.
然后，就像，天啊，下一个来的是谁。
You know?
你知道？
Yeah, well, it took Mr. Chen a while to come back on his moped.
是啊，陈先生花了一段时间才骑着轻便摩托车回来。
But when he came-- when he showed up, the crowd sort of parted.
但当他出现时——当他出现时，人群就分开了。
And I was holding onto this man, whose name was Fan Ping.
而我抓住了这个人，他的名字叫范平。
And he said to me, step away, which I thought was a really bad idea because we're standing right next to the railing.
他对我说，走开，我认为这是一个非常糟糕的主意，因为我们就站在栏杆旁边。
But he had such command of the situation and all the nuances of the situation that I just stepped away.
但他对局势以及局势的所有细微差别有着如此的掌控力，以至于我只能走开。
I just let go and stepped away.
我只是放手走开。
And then he said, I want to take your picture, which seemed like, you know, I didn't even understand what that was about.
然后他说，我想给你拍张照片，这似乎是，你知道，我什至不明白那是什么意思。
So he pulls out his cell phone with the camera.
于是他拿出了装有相机的手机。
Takes a picture.
拍照。
And then he says, and now I think I should punch you in the face.
然后他说，现在我想我应该打你的脸。
Holy-- Mike Paterniti And then he said, you call yourself Chinese.
天啊——迈克·帕特尼蒂 然后他说，你称自己为中国人。
How dare you?
你怎么敢？
How dare you call yourself Chinese-- come up on this bridge with the intention of killing yourself today?
你怎么敢自称为中国人——今天上这座桥来是想自杀的？
You know, you are somebody's son.
你知道，你是某人的儿子。
You know, how dare you?
你知道吗，你怎么敢？
I'm going to punch you in the face.
我要打你的脸。
I'm going to punch you right now.
我现在就要打你。
And the crowd, of course, is like crushing in because they think there's going to-- they think he's going to punch them.
当然，人群就像挤了进来，因为他们认为他会打他们。
You know, I'm just sitting here, like, with my mouth open as you're saying this.
你知道，当你这么说的时候，我只是张着嘴坐在这里。
So he kind of takes another step in closer.
所以他又向前迈出了一步。
And Fan Ping says, look, I'm only doing this because my father was in the Red Army, and he's lost all of his disability insurance.
范平说，你看，我这么做只是因为我父亲在红军，他失去了所有的伤残保险。
And there's no way for him to live anymore.
而且他已经没有活路了。
And I'm a lousy son because I can't provide for him.
我是个糟糕的儿子，因为我无法养活他。
And all of our documents burned in a fire.
我们所有的文件都在一场大火中被烧毁。
And without those documents, we can't get any help.
如果没有这些文件，我们就无法获得任何帮助。
And Mr. Chen says, there's nothing worth this, you know?
陈先生说，没有什么值得的，你知道吗？
There's no problem that we can't solve.
没有我们解决不了的问题。
And then he moves in a little bit closer, and he touches his arm.
然后他靠近了一点，触碰了他的手臂。
So he's sort of holding him by the elbow with his right hand.
所以他用右手握住了他的肘部。
Mr. Chen says, I-- you know, I think I can help you.
陈先生说，我——你知道，我想我可以帮助你。
I don't like this.
我不喜欢这个。
I don't like what you're doing here.
我不喜欢你在这里做的事。
This isn't the way to solve anything.
这不是解决任何问题的方法。
And at that point, they have each other's word that they're going to meet on Monday morning at Mr. Chen's office.
那时，他们互相承诺，将于周一早上在陈先生的办公室见面。
Do you get creeped out on any big bridge now?
你现在在任何一座大桥上都会感到害怕吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Well, obviously, after having been on the bridge, I started looking at bridges for their suicide potential.
嗯，显然，在登上桥之后，我开始研究桥梁的自杀潜力。
And every bridge is that bridge in Nanjing.
每座桥都是南京的那座桥。
And every person is potentially Fan Ping.
而每个人都可能是范平。
And every other person is potentially Mr. Chen.
其他人都可能是陈先生。
And, you know, it just-- you kind of look at it like, oh, I wonder if that is a bridge people would jump from.
而且，你知道，你看着它就像是，哦，我想知道那是不是人们会跳下去的桥。
And I wonder if maybe someone should be out here.
我想知道是否应该有人在这里。
Mike Paterniti.
迈克·帕特尼蒂.
He first wrote about meeting Mr. Chen for GQ magazine.
他首先为《GQ》杂志撰写了关于与陈先生会面的文章。
There's a documentary out there about Mr. Chen and the bridge called The Angel of Nanjing.
有一部关于陈先生和这座桥的纪录片叫《南京天使》。
Act Three, Yes in My Backyard.
第三幕，是的，在我的后院。
Now this story about some of the mysterious things happening on the edges of the city, in the shadow of the city, right under our noses.
现在这个故事讲述的是发生在城市边缘、城市阴影下、就在我们眼皮底下的一些神秘事件。
And to put this story in some context, we're going to turn now to Jorge Just.
为了将这个故事放在一定的背景下，我们现在将转向豪尔赫·贾斯特。
You may remember Jorge.
你可能还记得豪尔赫。
He's done some stories for our program.
他为我们的节目编了一些故事。
He says that when you move to a new city, you cannot get into the regular conversations that everybody else gets into.
他说，当你搬到一个新城市时，你无法参与其他人所参与的常规对话。
He found this out a little while back, when he did the one thing that everyone in Chicago agrees is the very worst thing that anybody can do.
不久前，他发现了这一点，当时他做了一件芝加哥每个人都认为是任何人都能做的最糟糕的事情。
He moved to New York.
他搬到了纽约。
All New Yorkers want to talk about is what subway train to take to get from point A to point B.
所有纽约人都想谈论的是从 A 点到 B 点乘坐什么地铁。
And it goes on and on.
这种情况一直持续下去。
And you can't say anything.
而你什么也不能说。
You can't be like, you know they discovered a tenth planet.
你不能说，你知道他们发现了第十颗行星。
And they would be like, well you would take the DMZ, you know?
他们会说，好吧，你会占领非军事区，你知道吗？
It's inescapable.
这是不可避免的。
And when that conversation finally peters out, it somehow-- and it doesn't fail-- turns into a conversation about cell phone reception.
当谈话最终逐渐结束时，它不知何故——而且不会失败——变成了关于手机接收的谈话。
You can't get into the-- you can't get into the conversation.
你无法进入——你无法进入对话。
You don't know where the dead spots are.
你不知道死角在哪里。
So you can't do any small talk.
所以你们不能闲聊。
So what happens is the small talk becomes, oh, you just moved to New York.
所以接下来的闲聊变成了，哦，你刚搬到纽约。
Where are you from?
你从哪来？
Oh, you're from Chicago.
哦，你来自芝加哥。
How do you like New York?
你喜欢纽约吗？
How do you like New York?
你喜欢纽约吗？
Everybody wants to know how you like New York because they want you to say, New York is the greatest place that I've ever been to.
每个人都想知道你有多喜欢纽约，因为他们想让你说，纽约是我去过的最棒的地方。
And I've burned all of my connections to anywhere that I've ever been before because I love it so much here.
我已经烧毁了与我以前去过的任何地方的所有联系，因为我非常喜欢这里。
When, in fact, people would say, so how do you like New York?
事实上，人们会问，你喜欢纽约吗？
And you're like, well, you know, I like it.
你就像，嗯，你知道，我喜欢它。
It's big and stuff, but I really like Chicago.
芝加哥很大，但我真的很喜欢芝加哥。
You know?
你知道？
Oh really?
哦真的吗？
What's Chicago like?
芝加哥概况
Chicago is this wonderful dreamland where there's a bar on every corner and, you know, the bridges smell like chocolate.
芝加哥是一个美妙的梦境，每个角落都有一家酒吧，你知道，桥梁闻起来像巧克力。
And then you'd pretty much have a silence.
然后你就会陷入沉默。
And the ice in your glass would clink a couple of times.
杯子里的冰块会叮当响几声。
And then they'd say, the bridges smell like chocolate?
然后他们会说，桥梁闻起来像巧克力？
And then I'd describe how wonderful it is that the bridges smelled like chocolate.
然后我会描述桥梁闻起来像巧克力的味道是多么美妙。
And this is something that people in New York have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever believed.
这是纽约人从来、曾经、曾经、曾经、曾经、曾经相信过的事情。
But if you get up early in the morning, and it's sort of quiet out, and you go to the right bridge, and it's just that sort of magic twinkling hour, where the sun is coming up, and you're in a big city, but nobody is around, every now and again, they smell like brownies.
但如果你早上起得很早，外面很安静，你走到右边的桥上，那只是那种神奇的闪烁时刻，太阳升起，你在一座大城市，但周围没有人，时不时地，他们闻起来像布朗尼蛋糕。
Yeah.
是的。
That's actually true.
这确实是真的。
That's very, very true.
这是非常非常正确的。
It's true.
这是真的。
Ira Glass I can say it's true.
艾拉·格拉斯 我可以说这是真的。
And the reason why is because there's a chocolate plant on the west side that spews the smell of chocolate.
而之所以如此，是因为西边有一座巧克力工厂，散发着巧克力的香味。
Yeah.
是的。
The smell of magic.
魔法的气味。
To say, like, the bridge smells like chocolate doesn't convey like what actually happens.
说这座桥闻起来像巧克力并不能传达实际发生的情况。
What actually happens is that when you're walking across a bridge, and you're dodging cars, and it's a bridge over a dead river, in the middle of a part of town that is industrial and totally unnatural, you just sort of walk into this cloud of, like, the sweetest memory you have of cookies being made as a child.
实际发生的情况是，当你走过一座桥时，你正在躲避汽车，这是一座横跨死河的桥，位于工业化且完全不自然的城镇中心，你只是走进了这片云彩，就像你小时候制作饼干的最甜蜜的记忆一样。
Your sweetest childhood memory.
你最甜蜜的童年记忆。
You can walk into that, and you can walk into it by surprise in the middle of the day in the middle of the city.
你可以走进去，而且你可以在市中心的中午，惊讶地走进去。
Now, you know that all this is ending, right?
现在，你知道这一切都结束了，对吗？
I know.
我知道。
I know.
我知道。
It's like 1,000 little stabs in the heart.
这就像心脏上被刺了1000个小刺。
It's like a million little stabs in the heart.
这就像心脏上有一百万个小刺。
What happened is this.
发生的事情是这样的。
Somebody complained about the chocolate smell.
有人抱怨巧克力味。
They complained to the Environmental Protection Agency.
他们向环保局投诉。
And the federal government, ever responsive to even a single complaint from any of its citizens anywhere in the country, leapt into action.
联邦政府对全国任何地方的公民提出的哪怕一丁点投诉都做出了回应，并立即采取了行动。
They sent inspectors to the Blommer Chocolate Company, which has been making chocolate bars and other goodies on Chicago's west side since 1939.
他们派出检查员前往布洛默巧克力公司 (Blommer Chocolate Company)，该公司自 1939 年以来一直在芝加哥西区生产巧克力棒和其他美食。
Inspectors found that too much cocoa dust was going into the air-- more than is legal under federal standards.
检查人员发现，空气中的可可粉含量过多，超过了联邦标准的合法含量。
The plant installed filtering equipment.
该厂安装了过滤设备。
In fact, they say they'd been planning to get that equipment in place even before the EPA dropped by.
事实上，他们说，甚至在美国环保局来访之前，他们就已经计划将这些设备安装到位。
In any case, fewer cocoa particles in the air means less delicious chocolatey aroma.
无论如何，空气中的可可颗粒越少，就意味着美味的巧克力香气越少。
It's kind of curious to think of, like, you know, one small chocolate factory has-- somebody complained, and they went out there looked.
想想就有点奇怪，就像，你知道，一家小巧克力工厂——有人抱怨，然后他们就出去看了。
And, yes, there's a problem, and we're going to fix it.
是的，确实存在问题，我们将解决它。
But yet, you know, we have thousands of times where it's happened at the power plants, and nothing's happened.
但是，你知道，我们在发电厂发生过数千次这种情况，但什么也没发生。
That's Brian Urbaszewski, Director of Environmental Health Programs for the American Lung Association in Chicago.
这是布赖恩·厄巴泽斯基 (Brian Urbaszewski)，芝加哥美国肺脏协会环境健康项目主任。
And as he points out-- it has been widely reported here-- the Illinois Attorney General's office has documented over 7,600 violations, similar to the chocolate company violation, at six coal plants in Illinois in the last six years.
正如他指出的那样（这里已被广泛报道），伊利诺伊州总检察长办公室在过去六年中记录了伊利诺伊州六家燃煤电厂的 7,600 多起违规行为，类似于巧克力公司的违规行为。
And the EPA has never gone after any of those coal plants.
美国环保局从未对任何一家燃煤电厂进行过调查。
OK.
好的。
Let's step back a minute, because chocolate factories are not a major source of this fine particle pollution.
让我们退后一步，因为巧克力工厂并不是这种细颗粒污染的主要来源。
When you look at power plants, they're responsible for about a quarter of the problem.
当你观察发电厂时，你会发现大约四分之一的问题是由发电厂造成的。
And chocolate?
还有巧克力？
Is chocolate a quarter of the problem as well?
巧克力也是问题的四分之一吗？
No, no, no, no. It's probably far, far, far less than 1%.
不，不，不，不。它可能远远低于 1%。
Oh.
哦。
Now, there's a quote that you gave where you used an animal metaphor that I've seen quoted widely in a million articles that I just would like you to repeat here for our listeners.
现在，您引用了我在数百万篇文章中广泛引用的动物比喻，我希望您在这里为我们的听众重复一遍。
Oh, I don't know if I can.
哦，我不知道我是否可以。
Actually, if this is the wolves?
其实，如果这就是狼呢？
Mhm.
嗯。
Brian Urbaszewski And the ant thing?
Brian Urbaszewski 那么蚂蚁的事呢？
I'm afraid so.
恐怕是这样。
Brian Urbaszewski I'va actually got San Francisco animal activists after me for that thing, saying that wolves are not dangerous to humans.
Brian Urbaszewski 事实上，我因为这件事而受到了旧金山动物活动人士的追捕，他们说狼对人类没有危险。
Um-- [SIGH] I-- Ira Glass Well, I'll say it if you don't feel like you can.
嗯-- [叹息] 我-- Ira Glass 好吧，如果你觉得自己做不到，我会说出来。
You said that-- hold on for a second.
你说过——等一下。
I have it here.
我这里有。
You said the EPA-- what the EPA was doing with this chocolate factory and ignoring the coal plants-- you said, quote, "It's like crushing an ant when there's a pack of wolves around, then claiming you have saved people from harm."
你说美国环保局——美国环保局对这家巧克力工厂所做的事情，而忽略了燃煤电厂——你说，“这就像在周围有一群狼的时候压死一只蚂蚁，然后声称你已经拯救了人们免遭伤害。”
How about if we say-- all right-- you know-- it's like crushing an ant-- well, see.
如果我们说——好吧——你知道——这就像压碎一只蚂蚁——好吧，瞧。
Don't be scared of those animal rights people.
不要害怕那些动物权利人士。
No, no. I'm just trying to think, I'm going to use sharks instead.
不，不。我只是想，我会用鲨鱼来代替。
Nobody likes sharks.
没有人喜欢鲨鱼。
I just feel like this is-- just like my entire relationship to government right now can be summed up by this story, OK?
我只是觉得这就像我现在与政府的整个关系都可以用这个故事来概括，好吗？
There's all these things that are throwing particles in the air.
所有这些东西都会向空气中喷射颗粒。
And the only one I like is the one they're getting rid of.
我唯一喜欢的就是他们正在摆脱的那个。
[LAUGHTER] Brian Urbaszewski Yeah.
[笑声] Brian Urbaszewski 是的。
And, you know, that's my frustration as well.
而且，你知道，这也是我的挫败感。
The federal EPA hasn't been talking to the press about the chocolate factory.
联邦环保局尚未向媒体谈论巧克力工厂的事情。
When I called the Illinois state EPA, the Manager of Compliance and Enforcement for the Bureau of Air-- a cheerful public servant named Julie Armitage-- informed me that there has been a misunderstanding.
当我给伊利诺伊州环保局打电话时，空气局合规与执法经理——一位名叫朱莉·阿米蒂奇的性格开朗的公务员——告诉我存在误会。
Yes, she said, the coal plants had belched out too many particles 7,600 times.
是的，她说，燃煤电厂已经喷出了太多颗粒物 7,600 次。
But you see, these times was very, very short.
但你看，这些时间非常非常短。
At the least, a momentary spike.
至少，是短暂的飙升。
At the most, six minutes long.
最多六分钟。
Each one was a blip, she said.
她说，每一个都是昙花一现。
Automatic monitoring equipment is going 24 hours a day taking readings.
自动监测设备每天 24 小时记录读数。
Add up all the blips per year, and you get 211 blips per plant per year, meaning that well over 99% of the time, the plants are in compliance with the law.
将每年所有的信号点加起来，每株植物每年会得到 211 个信号点，这意味着在超过 99% 的情况下，这些植物都遵守法律。
Yes.
是的。
Taken out of context, it appears to be a very bad situation.
脱离上下文来看，这似乎是一个非常糟糕的情况。
Put into context, it's virtually a non-issue.
放在上下文中，这实际上不是问题。
And as for the fact that now there may be less chocolate smell in Chicago?
至于现在芝加哥的巧克力味可能会减少吗？
You know, [LAUGHING] I'm not really in a position.
你知道，[笑]我确实没有处于一个位置。
Would I prefer to not have had the hullabaloo that broke loose?
我是否宁愿不经历喧嚣呢？
Yes.
是的。
And you don't feel any sort of twinge-- as an environmental regulator who's here to make our world a better place, as you are-- that that could be the upshot of the whole thing?
作为一名环境监管者，你没有感到任何刺痛，就像你一样，让我们的世界变得更美好——这可能是整个事情的结果？
Yeah.
是的。
You don't feel any sort of twinge if that were to happen?
如果发生这种情况，你不会感到任何刺痛吗？
Well, you know, unfortunately, my job here is to ensure compliance with environmental laws and regulations.
嗯，不幸的是，我在这里的工作是确保遵守环境法律法规。
And-- and--
还有——还有——
Wherever this sentence is going, this is exactly not the answer we the people of Illinois want to hear.
无论这句话流到哪里，这都不是我们伊利诺伊州人民想听到的答案。
Well-- Ira Glass We don't want to hear about laws and regulations.
嗯——艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我们不想听到法律和法规。
Well, but you know, they're there for a reason.
好吧，但你知道，他们的存在是有原因的。
And for the most part, you know,
在大多数情况下，你知道，
Everybody was following the rules, she says.
她说，每个人都遵守规则。
The Feds inspected, just like they're supposed to.
美联储进行了检查，就像他们应该做的那样。
Blommers was, in fact, emitting too much chocolate.
事实上，布洛默斯排放了太多的巧克力。
End of story.
故事结束。
And then in the months after I had that conversation with her, the EPA says Blommer fixed the problem, stopped spewing particles into the air that violated the law.
在我与她谈话后的几个月里，环保局表示布洛默解决了问题，停止向空气中排放违反法律的颗粒。
And good news, incredibly, what they're emitting still smells like delicious chocolate.
令人难以置信的是，好消息是它们散发出的气味仍然像美味的巧克力。
Well, today's episode of our show was produced by Diane Cook, Robyn Semien and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Jane Marie, Sarah Koenig, Amy O'Leary, and Lisa Pollak.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由黛安·库克、罗宾·塞米恩和我自己以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格、简·玛丽、莎拉·科尼格、艾米·奥利里和丽莎·波拉克制作的。
Our senior producer for this episode was Julie Snyder.
我们本集的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from Sam Hallgren, Thea Chaloner, Seth Lind, Tommy Andreas, and B.A.
Sam Hallgren、Thea Chaloner、Seth Lind、Tommy Andreas 和 B.A. 为制作提供帮助
Parker.
帕克.
Matt Tierney is our technical director.
马特·蒂尔尼是我们的技术总监。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia, who asked me to tell you he can kick the ass of anybody in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx--
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人托里·马拉蒂亚先生，他让我告诉你他可以踢曼哈顿、布鲁克林、皇后区、布朗克斯的任何人——
And this is something that people in New York have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever believed.
这是纽约人从来、曾经、曾经、曾经、曾经、曾经、曾经相信过的事情。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。