615: The Beginning of Now - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass So explain this recording and when it was made.
序言 Ira Glass 请解释一下这段录音及其制作时间。
This recording was made in September of 2014 at the Odeon in TriBeCa in New York City.
这张唱片于 2014 年 9 月在纽约市 TriBeCa 的 Odeon 录制。
That's a restaurant.
那是一家餐馆。
Reid Cherlin It's a restaurant.
Reid Cherlin 这是一家餐厅。
Reid Cherlin was writing a story for Rolling Stone back then, about this not-so-well-known-at-the-time bomb-throwing right-wing news website, Breitbart News.
当时，里德·切尔林（Reid Cherlin）正在为《滚石》杂志撰写一篇故事，内容是关于当时并不知名、投掷炸弹的右翼新闻网站布赖特巴特新闻网（Breitbart News）的。
And he was at the Odeon to interview one of the guys who ran it, Steve Bannon.
他在 Odeon 采访了它的经营者之一史蒂夫·班农 (Steve Bannon)。
Bannon's now the chief strategist for the President of the United States.
班农现在是美国总统的首席策略师。
So what's he like?
那么他是什么样的人呢？
He was very engaging.
他非常有魅力。
I've told this story to friends over the course of the past few months, and I think I'm always struggling for the right adjectives.
在过去的几个月里，我向朋友们讲述了这个故事，我想我一直在努力寻找合适的形容词。
I feel like I want to say charming.
我感觉我想说的是迷人。
I don't think that's actually quite right.
我认为这实际上不太正确。
He's not a charmer.
他不是一个有魅力的人。
But he's compelling and looks you in the eye.
但他很引人注目，并且看着你的眼睛。
And he's full of stories.
而且他充满了故事。
But he's excited.
但他很兴奋。
He's amped about everything.
他对一切都兴致勃勃。
And he's this happy warrior type.
他是那种快乐的战士。
There's this positivity about him.
他有这种积极性。
So he sat down and he basically just started talking.
所以他坐下来，基本上就开始说话了。
And I took out my recorder and I recorded it.
我拿出录音机录了下来。
And he talked for about 90 minutes, and then it was over.
他讲了大约90分钟，然后就结束了。
You write that he had two pens clipped to his shirt collar?
你写他的衬衫领子上别着两支钢笔？
That's true, yes.
确实如此，是的。
Ira Glass And you write, "over 90 minutes, he barely touched his food and never took off his coat"?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）你写道，“90分钟内，他几乎没有碰过食物，也没有脱掉外套”？
Correct.
正确的。
He really wasn't there for the meal.
他确实没来吃饭。
He was there to talk.
他在那里说话。
Correct.
正确的。
Yeah.
是的。
Steve Bannon Well, we try to make sure the content has the swagger to it.
史蒂夫·班农（Steve Bannon）：好吧，我们尽力确保内容具有夸张性。
It has a point of view.
它有一个观点。
People come up to me-- we always laugh.
人们来找我——我们总是笑。
We'd say, you don't come to Breitbart for a pat on the head and a warm hug.
我们会说，你来布赖特巴特新闻网不是为了拍拍头和一个温暖的拥抱。
You know you're coming here-- it's the fight club.
你知道你要来这里——这是搏击俱乐部。
"We're the fight club." "You don't come here for a pat on the head and a warm hug.
“我们是搏击俱乐部。” “你来这里不是为了拍拍头和一个温暖的拥抱。
This isn't NPR."
这不是 NPR。”
Yeah, I noticed he pointed that out.
是的，我注意到他指出了这一点。
"This is not NPR." He said it more than once.
“这不是 NPR。”他不止一次说过这样的话。
Yes.
是的。
Steve Bannon We're not NPR.
史蒂夫·班农 我们不是 NPR。
You're not going to come here and say, on this hand this--
你不会来这里说，在这手上——
I think he was just so into the mission and so fired up about it.
我认为他对这项任务非常投入，并且对此充满热情。
At the time, Bannon and Breitbart News were outsiders, waging an insurgent war against the Republican establishment, the mainstream media, President Obama.
当时，班农和布赖特巴特新闻网都是局外人，对共和党建制派、主流媒体和奥巴马总统发动了一场叛乱战争。
And Bannon gushed enthusiastically about the stories they were breaking, some of which did not seem true at all.
班农热情洋溢地讲述了他们所爆出的故事，其中一些似乎根本不真实。
Illegal immigrants sick with the Ebola virus crossing the border into Texas.
感染埃博拉病毒的非法移民越境进入德克萨斯州。
An ISIS plot to kill the Pope.
伊斯兰国密谋刺杀教皇。
10 counties in Texas that are controlled by the Mexican drug cartels.
德克萨斯州有 10 个县被墨西哥贩毒集团控制。
First off, there are 10 counties on the Rio Grande Valley that we do not have control of.
首先，里奥格兰德河谷有 10 个县是我们无法控制的。
When I say we do not have control of them, the cartels run them.
当我说我们无法控制它们时，卡特尔正在管理它们。
McAllen, Texas.
德克萨斯州麦卡伦。
And then he goes on to explain how McAllen is where all the drug lords have their grandmas and their moms.
然后他继续解释麦卡伦是如何所有毒枭都有他们的祖母和妈妈的地方。
And they all have houses there.
他们都在那里有房子。
It's where all the cartels basically have a truce that that's where their mothers live.
所有贩毒集团基本上都在这里休战，他们的母亲就住在那里。
That's where the kids are going to school.
那是孩子们上学的地方。
They got the McAllen Medical Center.
他们得到了麦卡伦医疗中心。
They all get their-- all the cartels, all the families of cartels are up in McAllen in broad daylight.
他们都得到了——所有的卡特尔，所有的卡特尔家族都在光天化日之下出现在麦卡伦。
It's like prohibition in the '20s.
这就像20世纪20年代的禁令。
It's not that people-- remember the movie with Sean Connery in the thingamajig where he says, it's not that people don't know where the whiskey is.
这并不是说人们——记得肖恩·康纳利 (Sean Connery) 在电影《Thingamajig》中所说的，这并不是说人们不知道威士忌在哪里。
It's the political will to go beat down the door to get the whiskey.
这是破门而入获取威士忌的政治意愿。
I have to say, if this story isn't true, he is sure telling the hell out of it.
我不得不说，如果这个故事不是真的，他肯定会说出来。
He's going from this image of their moms are there and their kids are in school, and they're all in the same hospital.
他从这样的形象出发：他们的妈妈在那里，他们的孩子在学校，而且他们都在同一家医院。
And then he goes to this movie reference.
然后他转到这部电影参考。
He is just pitching this so great.
他只是把这个推销得太棒了。
Yeah.
是的。
I'm smiling right now listening to it.
我现在正在微笑着听它。
He is telling the hell out of it, including flying over McAllen and you see a third of it looks like a slum town and a third of it is normal, but then a third of it, you could be flying over Bel-Air and there's swimming pools.
他正在讲述这一切，包括飞过麦卡伦，你会看到它的三分之一看起来像贫民窟，三分之一是正常的，但三分之一，你可以飞过贝莱尔，那里有游泳池。
Everything's got a pool.
一切都有一个游泳池。
It's got a Jaguar and a Mercedes dealer right there, cash only.
那里有一辆捷豹和一个梅赛德斯经销商，只收现金。
I think it's the number one Jaguar place in the country.
我认为这是全国捷豹第一的地方。
Jaguar?
捷豹？
Reid Cherlin Right.
里德·切尔林 对。
How is he identifying cars from the air?
他如何从空中识别汽车？
Has he even flown over it, or is this all in his imagination?
他到底有没有飞过它，还是这一切都只是他的想象？
Also, that's what every place looks like when you fly over it.
而且，当你飞过每个地方时，这就是它的样子。
But in the moment, you're like, wow.
但在那一刻，你会想，哇。
And with something like this, it's just a story you can't check.
对于这样的事情，这只是一个你无法核实的故事。
How do you check without being a reporter on the ground who's deeply sourced?
如果不是深入了解当地情况的记者，如何进行核查？
You really can't check whether all the cartel lords' grandmas go to the same hospital in McAllen.
你真的无法检查所有贩毒集团大佬的祖母是否都去麦卡伦的同一家医院。
By the way, it is true that some cartel families live in McAllen.
顺便说一句，麦卡伦确实居住着一些卡特尔家族。
But this idea that they've declared some big truce or that law enforcement gives them a pass?
但是他们已经宣布了一些重大休战协议或者执法部门给了他们通行证的想法吗？
That's embellishment.
这就是点缀。
Reid wrote about all this recently in an article he did for VICE News.
里德最近在他为 VICE News 撰写的一篇文章中谈到了这一切。
This is where he works these days.
这就是他这些天工作的地方。
But his original story, the one he was writing for Rolling Stone back in 2014, never got published.
但他 2014 年为《滚石》杂志撰写的原创故事从未发表。
He couldn't convince his editors to run it.
他无法说服他的编辑来运行它。
The whole world of it-- Steve Bannon, Breitbart News-- it all seemed too fringy.
整个世界——史蒂夫·班农（Steve Bannon）、布赖特巴特新闻网（Breitbart News）——这一切似乎都太边缘化了。
Not important.
不重要。
These right-wing agitators with their far-out ideas.
这些右翼煽动者的想法很遥远。
And listen to what seemed completely irrelevant 2 and 1/2 years ago.
听听 2 又 1/2 年前似乎完全无关的内容。
For the story, Reid went to a party at Breitbart headquarters, a townhouse in Washington, DC, that Bannon called the Breitbart Embassy.
为了这篇报道，里德参加了布赖特巴特新闻网总部的一个聚会，这是华盛顿特区的一栋联排别墅，班农称之为布赖特巴特新闻大使馆。
It is a townhouse that looks like any other, really, but I saw some guys in khakis and blue blazers coming in and out with drinks in their hands.
这是一栋联排别墅，看起来确实和其他房子没什么两样，但我看到一些穿着卡其裤和蓝色西装外套的人进进出出，手里拿着饮料。
And I went in and there was this whole party going on inside.
我进去了，里面正在举行整个聚会。
I didn't recognize a lot of people.
我没认出很多人。
I recognized Laura Ingraham, the radio host.
我认出了电台主持人劳拉·英格拉汉姆。
I recognized Jeff Sessions because years earlier I'd worked in the Senate.
我认出了杰夫·塞申斯，因为多年前我曾在参议院工作过。
And I thought, what is Jeff Sessions doing here?
我想，杰夫·塞申斯在这里做什么？
Jeff Sessions, of course, an early Trump supporter, now Attorney General of the United States.
杰夫塞申斯当然是特朗普的早期支持者，现在是美国司法部长。
I remember Jeff Sessions being just the most marginal member of the Senate that there could be.
我记得杰夫·塞辛斯只是参议院中最边缘的成员。
Just an older white guy from Alabama with totally unsurprising positions.
只是一个来自阿拉巴马州的年长白人，职位完全不足为奇。
And Sessions did not look super comfortable.
塞申斯看起来不太舒服。
Everyone at the party was pretty young, by and large.
总的来说，聚会上的每个人都很年轻。
He was there.
他就在那儿。
He looked kind of out of place.
他看起来有点格格不入。
And I just thought, why is he here?
我只是想，他为什么在这里？
In fact, he and Bannon, and his staff and the Breitbart staff knew each other.
事实上，他和班农、他的工作人员和布赖特巴特新闻网的工作人员都互相认识。
Reid asked Sessions a question or two for his story just to be polite, and Sessions answered.
出于礼貌，里德就他的故事问了塞申斯一两个问题，塞申斯回答了。
Praised Breitbart.
称赞布赖特巴特新闻网。
Said how influential it was with his constituents, which Reid assumed was just a courtesy to his host.
说这对他的选民有多么大的影响力，里德认为这只是对他的东道主的礼貌。
Reid headed out to the backyard.
里德朝后院走去。
Talking to some of the Breitbart writers who were smoking cigarettes with Nigel Farage, head of the UK Independence Party, who was telling me about leaving the European Union, which I didn't think sounded particularly likely.
与英国独立党领袖奈杰尔·法拉奇（Nigel Farage）一起抽烟的布莱巴特新闻网（Breitbart）的一些作家交谈时，法拉奇告诉我关于离开欧盟的事情，我认为这听起来不太可能。
It felt like outcasts.
感觉就像被遗弃了。
At dinner, Reid was sitting next to a fellow named Sebastian Gorka, who seemed full of big ideas, but nice enough.
晚餐时，里德坐在一个名叫塞巴斯蒂安·戈尔卡（Sebastian Gorka）的旁边，他似乎充满了伟大的想法，但也足够友善。
Today, he's a deputy assistant to the president.
如今，他是总统的副助理。
He seemed familiar in this college Republican kind of way, which is that I remember, as a college student, there being a small but vocal and proudly uninterested group of campus conservatives who didn't want to hang out with anyone else and who wore bow ties around and whose whole unifying theory was that they understood the truth about the world and no one else did.
他似乎对这种大学共和党式的方式很熟悉，我记得，当我还是一名大学生时，校园里有一小群保守派，但直言不讳，骄傲地不感兴趣，他们不想和其他人一起出去玩，到处都戴着领结，他们的整个统一理论是，他们了解世界的真相，而其他人不了解。
That was the vibe I got at the party.
这就是我在聚会上感受到的氛围。
Back in the beginning of this year, when Reid went through his old notes again about the party and the Odeon and wrote up a story for VICE, Gorka did not seem significant.
早在今年年初，当里德再次翻阅他关于派对和 Odeon 的旧笔记并为 VICE 写一篇故事时，戈尔卡似乎并不重要。
He didn't include him in the story.
他没有将他纳入故事中。
Since then, it's been this sort of emergence of Sebastian Gorka in the White House, which has got me thinking, who else was at this party?
从那时起，塞巴斯蒂安·戈尔卡(Sebastian Gorka)出现在白宫，这让我开始思考，这个聚会上还有谁？
Who else was hanging out with these guys all the time?
还有谁一直和这些家伙在一起？
And if Sessions was there, I'm sure it was a good bet that Stephen Miller was there.
如果塞申斯在那里，我确信斯蒂芬·米勒在那里是一个不错的选择。
Stephen Miller, former Sessions staffer, now senior adviser in charge of domestic policy for the president, who co-wrote President Trump's inaugural address with Steve Bannon.
史蒂芬·米勒（Stephen Miller），前塞申斯工作人员，现任总统负责国内政策的高级顾问，他与史蒂夫·班农（Steve Bannon）共同撰写了特朗普总统的就职演说。
And at the time, if you'd said, this room is full of the most important future policy thinkers in America, it just would have been so implausible because they were so fringe.
当时，如果你说这个房间里挤满了美国最重要的未来政策思想家，那就太难以置信了，因为他们是如此边缘。
How did we get to now, with a president who proudly sees himself as a disruptive force, who's out to undo decades of bipartisan policy?
我们是如何走到现在的一步，有一位总统自豪地认为自己是一股破坏性力量，并试图废除数十年的两党政策？
Well, part of the story really starts with the people at that party, who were championing economic nationalism, who wanted to curtail illegal and legal immigration, renegotiate trade deals.
好吧，故事的一部分实际上始于该党的人们，他们拥护经济民族主义，想要限制非法和合法移民，重新谈判贸易协议。
The beginning of now happened in 2014 with them.
现在的开始发生在 2014 年。
Today on our program, we have the story of the people at that party at the Breitbart Embassy and how, before Donald Trump even announced his candidacy, they took their ideas out for a test run with the voters in a congressional race in Virginia.
今天在我们的节目中，我们讲述了布赖特巴特新闻网大使馆聚会上的人们的故事，以及在唐纳德·特朗普宣布参选之前，他们如何在弗吉尼亚州的国会竞选中与选民一起测试自己的想法。
What they learned and how it got us to today.
他们学到了什么以及它如何让我们走到今天。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, The Brat Pack.
第一幕，小鬼群。
So obviously, one of the main issues that Donald Trump campaigned on and won on was immigration.
显然，唐纳德·特朗普竞选并获胜的主要问题之一就是移民。
Fewer immigrants, essentially, was the idea, as well as a crackdown on anybody who's in the country illegally.
从本质上讲，减少移民是这个想法，同时也是对任何非法入境者进行打击。
But it's interesting to remember that, back in 2014, just two years before Trump became president, the Republican Party was heading in the exact opposite direction.
但有趣的是，早在 2014 年，即特朗普就任总统的前两年，共和党就朝着完全相反的方向前进。
And you can hear it in the way this particular congressman, Congressman Mulvaney of South Carolina, opened this Republican breakfast meeting in his district back then.
你可以从这位南卡罗来纳州议员马尔瓦尼当时在他的选区主持共和党早餐会议的方式中听到这一点。
Mulvaney rode the Tea Party wave into office in 2010.
2010 年，马尔瓦尼乘着茶党浪潮上台。
Super conservative Tea Partier.
超级保守的茶党。
Didn't support John Boehner for the speakership because Boehner worked too closely with Obama.
不支持约翰·博纳担任议长，因为博纳与奥巴马合作过于密切。
Very conservative guy.
非常保守的家伙。
I want to talk about something that we don't talk about much in the Republican Party, which is fruit.
我想谈谈我们在共和党内不常谈论的事情，那就是水果。
I would like to talk about fruit, because I got a piece of fruit on my desk about a year ago.
我想谈谈水果，因为大约一年前我的桌子上放着一块水果。
An unusual piece of fruit-- not something you ordinarily get from South Carolina.
一种不寻常的水果——不是你通常从南卡罗来纳州得到的水果。
We get peaches on our desk all the time.
我们的桌子上总是放着桃子。
But about a year ago, I got a piece of fruit on my desk.
但大约一年前，我的桌子上放了一块水果。
It was a cantaloupe.
那是一个哈密瓜。
A cantaloupe.
一个哈密瓜。
Mick Mulvaney got a cantaloupe on his desk right after another member of the Republican Party, Trey Gowdy, had been talking about the children of undocumented immigrants.
在另一位共和党成员特雷·高迪(Trey Gowdy)谈论无证移民的孩子后，米克·马尔瓦尼(Mick Mulvaney)在他的办公桌上放了一个哈密瓜。
Dreamers who, he said, sometimes are really successful.
他说，梦想家有时确实很成功。
Valedictorians of their classes.
他们班级的告别演说者。
And was interrupted by another member of my party who said, Trey, you know, that's exactly right.
被我党的另一位成员打断，他说，特雷，你知道，那是完全正确的。
But for every one of those who is a valedictorian in their party, there are a hundred of them with calves the size of cantaloupes, carrying 75-pound bags of marijuana across the southwestern border.
但在党内每一位致告别辞的人中，就有一百人牵着哈密瓜大小的小牛，背着 75 磅重的大麻袋穿过西南边境。
Every single Republican member of Congress got a cantaloupe on their desk within 24 hours.
24 小时内，每位共和党国会议员的办公桌上都摆满了一个哈密瓜。
These came from activists who wanted the Dreamers to stay in the United States.
这些来自希望梦想家留在美国的活动人士。
They left a cantaloupe on the desk of most congressional Republicans to send a message about how out of touch their party was around the issue of immigration.
他们在大多数国会共和党人的桌子上留下了一个哈密瓜，以传达一个信息，表明他们的政党在移民问题上是多么脱节。
This audio, by the way, is from a documentary on Frontline called Immigration Battle.
顺便说一句，这段音频来自前线的一部名为“移民之战”的纪录片。
Think about whether or not that person is ever, ever going to consider voting for a Republican candidate ever again.
想想这个人是否会再次考虑投票给共和党候选人。
At some point, we're going to have to figure out that, if you take the entire African-American community and write them off, take the entire Hispanic community and write them off, take the entire gay community and write them off, what's left?
在某些时候，我们必须弄清楚，如果你把整个非裔美国人社区并注销，把整个西班牙裔社区并注销，把整个同性恋社区注销，还剩下什么？
About 38% of the country.
约占全国的38%。
You cannot win with 38% of the country.
你无法以全国 38% 的人口获胜。
We have to figure out how to deal with it as a party.
我们必须弄清楚如何作为一个政党来处理它。
We're losing too many elections.
我们输掉了太多选举。
We're writing off too many people.
我们裁掉了太多人。
In 2014, Mick Mulvaney supported an immigration reform deal, including a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants.
2014 年，米克·马尔瓦尼 (Mick Mulvaney) 支持一项移民改革协议，其中包括为无证移民提供获得合法身份的途径。
And at the time, which you can tell from that quote, it seemed like good politics.
从那句话中你可以看出，当时这似乎是很好的政治。
If you remember right after Mitt Romney lost the 2012 campaign, the Republican Party, led by party chairman at the time Reince Priebus, commissioned this autopsy report.
如果您还记得米特·罗姆尼 (Mitt Romney) 2012 年竞选失败后，时任党主席赖因斯·普利巴斯 (Reince Priebus) 领导的共和党委托撰写了这份尸检报告。
What did we do wrong?
我们做错了什么？
How do we start winning elections again?
我们如何开始再次赢得选举？
And one of the big take-homes of that report was this sentence-- "If Hispanic-Americans perceive that a GOP nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States, they will not pay attention to our next sentence."
该报告最重要的收获之一就是这句话——“如果西班牙裔美国人认为共和党提名人或候选人不希望他们留在美国，他们就不会注意我们的下一句话。”
Things have changed in two years, huh?
两年了事情就变了，是吗？
Today, both Mick Mulvaney and Reince Priebus work for this guy.
如今，米克·马尔瓦尼 (Mick Mulvaney) 和雷恩斯·普利巴斯 (Reince Priebus) 都为这个家伙工作。
When politicians talk about immigration reform, they usually mean the following-- amnesty, open borders, lower wages.
当政治家谈论移民改革时，他们通常指的是以下内容：大赦、开放边境、降低工资。
Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation.
任何非法进入美国的人都会被驱逐出境。
That is what it means to have laws and to have a country.
这就是有法律、有国家的意义。
Otherwise, we don't have a country.
否则我们就没有国家了。
So how did the Republican Party reverse itself so fully so quickly on immigration?
那么共和党是如何在移民问题上如此迅速地彻底扭转局面的呢？
And why?
为什么？
Well, that is the thing we want to talk about today.
嗯，这就是我们今天要谈的话题。
That's the thing that happened in 2014, before Trump started running back at the beginning of now-- around the same time as that Breitbart Embassy party.
这就是 2014 年发生的事情，当时特朗普刚刚开始竞选，大约与布赖特巴特新闻网大使馆聚会的时间相同。
People at that very party made immigration an issue in this one congressional race that we want to tell you about, and it demonstrated the power of that issue of immigration and showed how somebody might use it to win the presidency.
正是那个政党的人们在我们想告诉你们的这一次国会竞选中将移民作为一个问题，它展示了移民问题的力量，并表明有人可以如何利用它来赢得总统职位。
And interestingly, this particular congressional race started off not having much to do with immigration.
有趣的是，这场特殊的国会竞选一开始与移民没有太大关系。
Zoe Chace explains.
佐伊·查斯解释道。
You could pick a few places to begin the story of this congressional race, but I'm going to start off on the top of this mountain in Virginia.
你可以选择几个地方来开始这次国会竞选的故事，但我将从弗吉尼亚州的这座山顶开始。
Ron Maxwell lives up here.
罗恩·麦克斯韦就住在这里。
He's a movie director.
他是一名电影导演。
Thanks.
谢谢。
Zoe Chace He did the movie Gettysburg 25 years ago.
Zoe Chace 25 年前拍摄了电影《葛底斯堡》。
He's a Hollywood guy in the middle of the woods.
他是丛林中的好莱坞人物。
One of those conservatives who knows a ton of other conservatives-- money people, media people.
其中一位保守派人士认识很多其他保守派人士——金钱人士、媒体人士。
He's a connector.
他是一个连接器。
Good-natured, loud-mouth guy.
性格开朗，嘴巴大的家伙。
Has lots of opinions, lots of history books in his study.
他的书房里有很多观点、很多历史书籍。
He's an America First guy, like since way before now.
他是一个美国优先的人，就像很久以前一样。
He writes editorials railing at the government, has written a lot about his fear that Mexicans will reconquer the Southwest.
他撰写了批评政府的社论，写了很多关于墨西哥人将重新征服西南部的恐惧。
But back in 2013, he was focused on something else.
但早在 2013 年，他就专注于其他事情。
Here was the deal-breaker for me.
这对我来说是一个破坏性的因素。
In the summer of 2013, President Obama was seriously considering bombing Damascus.
2013年夏天，奥巴马总统正在认真考虑轰炸大马士革。
Ron was focused on keeping the US out of another war.
罗恩专注于让美国远离另一场战争。
That's a huge part of the America First idea, as you probably know-- staying out of international conflict.
正如您可能知道的那样，这是“美国优先”理念的重要组成部分——远离国际冲突。
In the summer of 2013, President Assad had used chemical weapons on his people.
2013年夏天，阿萨德总统对他的人民使用了化学武器。
The administration was calling on Congress to give him military authorization.
政府呼吁国会给予他军事授权。
Obama met with the two most important people in the House to get that done-- the Speaker of the House John Boehner, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who was from Ron's state, Virginia.
为了实现这一目标，奥巴马会见了众议院最重要的两位人物——众议院议长约翰·博纳和来自罗恩所在州弗吉尼亚州的众议院多数党领袖埃里克·坎托。
Ron was watching the news.
罗恩正在看新闻。
And so he met with Boehner and Eric Cantor went to the White House to meet with him.
于是他会见了博纳，埃里克·坎托前往白宫与他会面。
And after the meeting, Boehner and Cantor stepped out and they said in a joint press conference right on the steps of the White House, we fully support President Obama in his desire to attack Damascus and depose, remove Assad from government.
会后，博纳和坎托走了出来，他们在白宫台阶上举行的联合新闻发布会上表示，我们完全支持奥巴马总统攻击大马士革、废黜阿萨德、将阿萨德赶出政府的愿望。
In other words, they were all in.
换句话说，他们都进去了。
And I thought, did Eric Cantor consult with the people in his district [INAUDIBLE] we get involved in another Iraq?
我想，埃里克·坎托（Eric Cantor）是否咨询过他所在地区的人们[听不清]我们卷入了另一个伊拉克？
That's what it would have been.
本来就是这样。
We would have been all in on another Iraq.
我们本来会全力投入另一个伊拉克。
That, Zoe, was the straw that broke my camel's back.
佐伊，这就是压垮我骆驼的最后一根稻草。
I was like, I can no longer sit by.
我当时想，我不能再袖手旁观了。
We're way past writing editorials.
我们已经不再写社论了。
This guy needs to be removed from office.
这种人需要被免职。
This was a really crazy idea.
这真是一个疯狂的想法。
Like, yeah, this is a democracy.
就像，是的，这是一个民主国家。
Technically, you should be able to vote reps you don't like out of office.
从技术上讲，你应该能够投票给你不喜欢的代表下台。
But not Eric Cantor.
但埃里克·坎托不是。
Not the House majority leader.
不是众议院多数党领袖。
He's got all the money in the world to run an election with.
他拥有世界上所有的钱来参加选举。
He's got the entire Republican Party behind him.
他得到了整个共和党的支持。
He's an incumbent, obviously.
显然，他是现任者。
In fact, it had never been done.
事实上，它从未被做过。
Actually, in the history of the republic no one had voted out an incumbent House majority leader, a little-known but common-sense statistic.
事实上，在共和国历史上，没有人投票罢免现任众议院多数党领袖，这是一个鲜为人知但常识性的统计数据。
I was given a lot of reasons to just not go there.
我有很多理由不去那里。
But I was already convicted by that point.
但到那时我就已经被定罪了。
I was convicted this had to happen.
我被定罪这是必须发生的。
So I made some calls down to Tea Party people that I didn't know.
所以我给一些我不认识的茶党人士打了电话。
I made some phone calls.
我打了一些电话。
They said, well, call Larry Nordvig down-- his Tea Party in Richmond.
他们说，好吧，叫拉里·诺德维格下来——他在里士满的茶会。
Larry Nordvig had just become executive director of the Richmond Tea Party.
拉里·诺德维格刚刚成为里士满茶党的执行董事。
Trim mustache, all business, looks like an airline pilot, which is what he was before he got political.
修剪整齐的小胡子，全是公事，看起来像一名航空公司飞行员，这就是他从政之前的样子。
Larry told Ron that, at their Tea Party meetings, he'd sensed some dissatisfaction with Eric Cantor.
拉里告诉罗恩，在他们的茶党会议上，他感觉到了对埃里克·坎托的一些不满。
I think one of the first meetings, somebody in the back row raised their hand and they said, can you help us get rid of Eric Cantor?
我想在第一次会议中，后排有人举手说，你能帮助我们摆脱埃里克·坎托吗？
That was one of the very first things that happened.
这是最先发生的事情之一。
And I thought, wow, these people are serious.
我想，哇，这些人是认真的。
And I said, Larry, what's the lay of the land down there in his district?
我说，拉里，他所在地区的情况怎么样？
And he said, just, people are angry.
他说，只是，人们很生气。
They don't like him.
他们不喜欢他。
They want him to go, so.
他们希望他走，所以。
They were angry, principally, for the bailouts.
他们主要是对救助感到愤怒。
Cronyism-- that's the issue.
任人唯亲——这就是问题所在。
It boils down to cronyism.
这归结为任人唯亲。
And the fact that he was never around.
事实上他从来没有在身边。
He never answered anybody's phone calls.
他从来不接听任何人的电话。
He'd get letters like that.
他会收到这样的信。
Eric Cantor was taking them for granted, paying more attention to donors rather than voters, Larry says.
拉里说，埃里克·坎托认为这是理所当然的，他更关注捐助者而不是选民。
And people just hated him.
人们只是讨厌他。
Again, Larry.
再说一遍，拉里。
I'm starting to get the feeling if we ran a hat rack with a hat on it, we could probably beat Eric Cantor.
我开始感觉到，如果我们运行一个上面放有帽子的帽架，我们可能会击败埃里克·坎托。
And they found a guy.
他们找到了一个人。
A guy named Dave Brat.
一个叫戴夫·布拉特的人。
At first, he seemed only marginally better than a hat rack.
起初，他看起来只比一个帽架好一点点。
Brat was an economics professor from a small liberal arts college, not a politician.
布拉特是一所小型文理学院的经济学教授，而不是政治家。
Pros-- corn-fed, Midwestern, handsome, fan of Ayn Rand, practicing Christian, known within the Tea Party, friendly, not afraid of crowds the way Cantor seemed to be.
优点——吃玉米的、中西部的、英俊的、安·兰德的粉丝、信奉基督教、在茶党中出名、友善、不惧怕人群，就像康托那样。
He wanted to run, actually had been spurned by Cantor over a political post he wanted.
他想参选，实际上却因为他想要的政治职位而被康托拒绝了。
Cons-- very little campaign experience, no Beltway connections, few people knew who he was, no money whatsoever.
缺点——竞选经验很少，没有环城公路的联系，很少有人知道他是谁，没有钱。
Oh, and he talks like an economics professor.
哦，他说话就像一位经济学教授。
So these three guys-- Larry with the mustache, Ron the movie guy, Brat the professor-- met at a Greek restaurant in Charlottesville to hash out their plan.
于是，这三个人——留着小胡子的拉里、电影人罗恩、教授布拉特——在夏洛茨维尔的一家希腊餐厅见面，商讨他们的计划。
It was emotionally real, Ron tells me.
罗恩告诉我，这在情感上是真实的。
Intense male bonding.
强烈的男性联系。
They felt very David and Goliath-y.
他们感觉很像大卫和歌利亚。
And the whole power structure, and the whole Republican Party of Virginia would come down like a ton of bricks on all of us.
整个权力结构，以及整个弗吉尼亚共和党都会像一吨砖头一样压在我们所有人身上。
By the end, they had a deal.
最后，他们达成了协议。
Dave Brat would be better than a hat rack.
戴夫·布拉特比帽架更好。
Larry would organize the grassroots.
拉里将组织基层。
And Ron would call donors and his fellow populists in the media.
罗恩会在媒体上致电捐助者和他的民粹主义者同僚。
So we ended that discussion that night by saying, if we're going to do this, nobody can change their mind.
所以那天晚上我们结束讨论时说，如果我们要这样做，没有人可以改变主意。
Because I said, Dave, you can't change your mind three months from now, because once I open my Rolodex, you can't pull the rug out from under me, because then people are going to say, what was that about?
因为我说，戴夫，三个月后你不能改变主意，因为一旦我打开我的名片盒，你就无法从我身下拉出地毯，因为那时人们会说，那是怎么回事？
I said, already they're going to laugh at me.
我说，他们已经要嘲笑我了。
If I tell them we've got a candidate to run against Eric Cantor and I call my people, whether I'm asking for money or whether I'm asking for endorsements or whatever I'm asking for, their first instinct is they're going to laugh.
如果我告诉他们我们有一位候选人可以与埃里克·坎托竞争，然后我给我的人打电话，无论我是要钱还是要寻求支持或其他什么要求，他们的第一直觉是他们会笑。
And the second instinct is they're going to tell me to go away.
第二个本能是他们会让我走开。
Ron didn't call his people right away.
罗恩没有立即给他的人打电话。
First, they wanted to get Brat off the ground.
首先，他们想让布拉特离开地面。
One of the first media appearances was local, and it was a good local story.
第一次出现在当地媒体上，这是一个很好的当地故事。
Wonky random Virginian taking on one of the most powerful guys in Congress.
古怪的随机弗吉尼亚人与国会中最有权势的人之一较量。
Dr. David Brat, who is a well-known face here on NBC12.
David Brat 博士是 NBC12 上的知名面孔。
Someone we often use as an expert on economic issues in his capacity as a professor at Randolph-Macon.
我们经常以伦道夫-梅肯大学教授的身份担任经济问题专家。
But today, Dr. Brat is here for a much different reason.
但今天，布拉特博士来到这里的原因却截然不同。
He's ready to launch a primary challenge against Congressman Cantor.
他准备向国会议员坎托发起初选挑战。
Dr. Brat, why are you doing this?
布拉特博士，你为什么要这么做？
Yeah.
是的。
Well, you know I've been on over the past five or 10 years, and the campaign is all about economics.
嗯，你知道我在过去的五年或十年里一直在竞选，而竞选活动的全部内容都是关于经济的。
I think the people watching know the deficits and the debt is up to $17 trillion dollars.
我认为观看的人都知道赤字和债务高达 17 万亿美元。
We have severe--
我们有严重的——
Economics.
经济学。
It's not the most electrifying pitch.
这还不是最激动人心的球场。
It's not "Mexican rapists are swarming the border."
这不是“墨西哥强奸犯涌入边境”。
Well, the key to what the leadership is doing-- they're not addressing the main issues that the people want addressed.
嗯，领导层所做的事情的关键是——他们没有解决人们想要解决的主要问题。
To add to Brat's potential problems, Larry found a campaign manager with very little experience, just out of college, Zach Werrell, 22 years old.
为了增加布拉特的潜在问题，拉里找到了一位经验很少的竞选经理，刚从大学毕业，扎克·韦雷尔，22岁。
Zach, Larry, and Dave Brat met up at a Panera Bread for 45 minutes, and then Zach was hired.
扎克、拉里和戴夫·布拉特在 Panera Bread 会面了 45 分钟，然后扎克就被录用了。
I don't know if there was anybody else going for that job, but two things helped me.
我不知道是否还有其他人想要这份工作，但有两件事对我有帮助。
I studied economics, so Dave and I were able to talk about stuff.
我学的是经济学，所以戴夫和我能够谈论一些事情。
And then, having gone to Haverford, he knew the school was good, and obviously I wasn't an idiot.
然后，去了哈弗福德后，他知道这所学校很好，而且显然我不是白痴。
I talked to Zach on his parents' porch in this small riverside Maryland town.
我在马里兰州这个河畔小镇的扎克父母的门廊上与他进行了交谈。
He remembers it was hard for the campaign to get attention.
他记得竞选活动很难引起注意。
Almost nobody cared.
几乎没有人关心。
It was hard to get media coverage of anything.
媒体很难对任何事情进行报道。
We did a press conference in front of Cantor's office and nobody showed up, so we had all of our volunteers pull their phones out and pretend like we had a bunch of media there.
我们在坎托办公室前举行了新闻发布会，但没有人出现，所以我们让所有志愿者都拿出手机，假装我们那里有一堆媒体。
By the way, Dave Brat and Eric Cantor both turned down my requests to interview them for this story.
顺便说一句，戴夫·布拉特和埃里克·坎托都拒绝了我为这个故事采访他们的请求。
Brat's speeches always started the same way.
布拉特的演讲总是以同样的方式开始。
He'd introduce himself, give some biography, then he'd go through something called the "Virginia Republican Creed," which has six principles.
他会自我介绍，提供一些传记，然后他会讲授“弗吉尼亚共和信条”，其中有六项原则。
And he'd explain how Eric Cantor was not living up to each one of them.
他会解释埃里克·坎托（Eric Cantor）为何没有达到每一项要求。
This nation was founded on probably three great strands.
这个国家大概是建立在三大支柱之上的。
They all are interconnected.
它们都是相互关联的。
The Judeo-Christian tradition and the moral backdrop of that, the rule of law, and free market economics.
犹太基督教传统及其道德背景、法治和自由市场经济。
Debt, Obamacare, and eventually he gets to immigration.
债务、奥巴马医改，最后他谈到了移民问题。
And his big line about it involves crossing his arms to imitate supply and demand curves for labor and wages.
他对此的主要观点包括交叉双臂模仿劳动力和工资的供求曲线。
Immigration was not the centerpiece of his campaign announcement.
移民并不是他竞选宣言的核心内容。
Larry Nordvig, Tea Party guy, says that changed.
茶党成员拉里·诺德维格 (Larry Nordvig) 表示，情况发生了变化。
And he remembers when.
他还记得什么时候。
They were asking this big donor to give money to the campaign.
他们要求这位大捐助者为竞选活动提供资金。
They laid out three talking points they wanted to build the campaign around under the theme Washington, DC, is broken.
他们提出了三个谈话要点，希望围绕“华盛顿特区崩溃”这一主题开展竞选活动。
And one of those three bullet points was immigration.
这三个要点之一就是移民。
And the particular person-- I'm not going to name that person-- the only thing that seemed to stick was the immigration bullet.
而那个特定的人——我不会说出那个人的名字——唯一令人印象深刻的是移民子弹。
That was the one that got his attention.
正是这一点引起了他的注意。
The magic word was amnesty.
神奇的词是大赦。
It cast a spell when you said it.
当你说出这句话时，它就施展了咒语。
Eric Cantor had said he supported a path to citizenship for children of undocumented immigrants.
埃里克·坎托曾表示，他支持为无证移民的子女提供获得公民身份的途径。
Remember, some kind of immigration reform bill was the party priority.
请记住，某种移民改革法案是该党的首要任务。
The Reince Priebus report, the cantaloupe speech from Mulvaney.
赖因斯·普里巴斯的报告，马尔瓦尼的哈密瓜演讲。
Cantor was on the same team.
坎托是同一个团队的。
He was a party guy.
他是个派对狂。
To get Hispanic votes, Republicans needed to pass a bill.
为了获得西班牙裔选票，共和党需要通过一项法案。
Kids shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of their parents, he'd said.
他说，孩子不应该为父母的错误付出代价。
In other words, amnesty.
换句话说，特赦。
Amnesty was like waving a red flag in front of the crowd.
大赦就像在人群面前挥舞着一面红旗。
And that donor that we had a meeting with, I know that word was, in particular, brought up during that conversation.
我知道我们会见的那位捐助者在这次谈话中特别提到了这个词。
Amnesty was seen as the ultimate in unfairness, if you will.
如果你愿意的话，特赦被视为终极的不公平。
Just ignoring the rule of law, which is important to Tea Party-type people.
只是忽视了法治，而法治对于茶党类型的人来说很重要。
So you say the word amnesty in a speech and you got people's attention.
所以你在演讲中提到“特赦”这个词，就引起了人们的注意。
And that was equally true of the media.
对于媒体来说也是如此。
So they started to hit it, the little team working behind Brat.
于是他们开始行动，Brat 背后的小团队。
They started to notice every time they talked about amnesty, they'd get a reaction.
他们开始注意到，每次谈论特赦时，他们都会得到反应。
As the campaign got rolling, the Hollywood connector Ron Maxwell decided to call Steve Bannon, who was running Breitbart News.
随着竞选活动的展开，好莱坞联络人罗恩·麦克斯韦决定给布赖特巴特新闻网的负责人史蒂夫·班农打电话。
They met at a film festival when Bannon had introduced a showing of Ron's movie.
他们是在一个电影节上认识的，当时班农介绍了罗恩的电影的放映。
Ron talked to Steve Bannon, and shortly after that, Tea Party guy Larry ran into Bannon at a Tea Party celebration in DC.
罗恩与史蒂夫·班农进行了交谈，不久之后，茶党成员拉里在华盛顿的茶党庆祝活动上遇到了班农。
I saw Steve Bannon at that event.
我在那次活动中见到了史蒂夫·班农。
He had radio interviews going.
他正在进行电台采访。
And it was at that time he basically pointed to a reporter and said, hey, this gentleman here will help you out.
就在那时，他基本上指着一名记者说，嘿，这位先生会帮助你的。
Anytime you have anything from the campaign, then just tell it to him.
任何时候你有任何竞选活动的消息，就告诉他吧。
So we kind of had an inroad there with Breitbart starting at the end of February, and it just grew.
因此，我们从二月底开始与布赖特巴特新闻网（Breitbart）一起进军该领域，而且规模不断扩大。
That was a style Bannon had.
这就是班农的风格。
You could hear it on this weekly radio show he hosted for Breitbart.
你可以在他为布赖特巴特新闻网主持的每周广播节目中听到这句话。
He's a good flack.
他是一个很好的攻击者。
A good publicist.
一个好的公关人员。
He'll bring on politicians he agrees with and tell them on the air, anything you need, we're here for you.
他会召集他同意的政客，并在广播中告诉他们，无论你需要什么，我们都会为你服务。
And he took up the Brat-Cantor race as one of Breitbart's crusades, with a very specific goal.
他将布拉特-坎托竞选活动作为布赖特巴特新闻网的十字军东征之一，有着非常具体的目标。
He explained it to Reid Cherlin, actually, during that dinner interview you heard at the beginning of the show.
事实上，他在节目开始时听到的晚餐采访中向里德·切尔林解释了这一点。
We did not think Eric Cantor was going to be beaten.
我们不认为埃里克·坎托会被击败。
"We did not think Eric Cantor was going to be beaten," he says, but he thought they could get to at least 40% of the vote for Dave Brat.
“我们不认为埃里克·坎托会被击败，”他说，但他认为他们可以为戴夫·布拉特赢得至少 40% 的选票。
Our thesis was, anything with a 4 in front of it, amnesty's dead for the session.
我们的论点是，任何前面有 4 的东西，特赦对于这次会议来说都是无效的。
Our thesis was, anything with a 4 in it-- any percentage in the 40s-- amnesty's dead in this session of Congress, he says.
他说，我们的论点是，任何带有 4 的内容——任何 40 年代的百分比——大赦在本届国会会议上都已失效。
Amnesty was Breitbart's word for any immigration reform deal making its way through Congress.
布莱巴特新闻网对国会通过的任何移民改革协议都表示“特赦”。
His hope was, any chance for a bill would die because other Republicans in Congress would realize the House majority leader almost got ousted because of his support for immigration reform.
他的希望是，任何通过法案的机会都会消失，因为国会中的其他共和党人会意识到众议院多数党领袖几乎因为支持移民改革而被赶下台。
So that was the goal.
这就是目标。
Scare Cantor and kill any potential bill.
吓唬康托并杀死任何潜在的法案。
Breitbart hammers Cantor and amnesty for months.
布赖特巴特新闻网对坎托和大赦进行了数月的抨击。
Here are some headlines.
以下是一些头条新闻。
"Cantor's 'Pledge' at Center of Secretive Immigration Push, Chairman Says," "Cantor Officially Backs Amnesty for DREAMers Who Enlist."
“主席说，坎托在秘密移民推动中心的‘承诺’”，“坎托正式支持对入伍的梦想家进行特赦。”
Matthew Boyle was one of the people writing these stories.
马修·博伊尔是撰写这些故事的人之一。
I met up with him in DC.
我在华盛顿见到了他。
He's a total Washington type-- competitive politics reporter in a suit.
他是典型的华盛顿类型——穿着西装的竞争性政治记者。
I asked him, why go so hard on immigration?
我问他，为什么在移民问题上这么努力？
But he disagreed with the premise of the question.
但他不同意这个问题的前提。
He said they were reading the electorate, calling the shots like they saw them.
他说，他们正在了解选民，就像亲眼所见一样发号施令。
We were just better journalists than the rest of the media.
我们只是比其他媒体更好的记者。
We were there ahead of everybody.
我们先于所有人到达那里。
We saw it months in advance.
我们提前几个月就看到了。
What we're doing is we're accurately reporting.
我们正在做的是准确地报告。
We're reporting newsworthy, relevant, informative, and accurate and correct information about major political happenings in the United States.
我们正在报道有关美国重大政治事件的有新闻价值、相关性、内容丰富、准确且正确的信息。
What's wrong with that?
这有什么问题吗？
That's news.
这就是新闻。
And we're better at it than anybody.
我们比任何人都更擅长。
Like, it's great.
就像，这太棒了。
Party leaders kept saying an immigration reform bill would save the Republican Party, but hating the bill was incredibly galvanizing for lots of the conservative media.
党派领导人一直表示移民改革法案将拯救共和党，但对该法案的憎恨却极大地刺激了许多保守派媒体。
Laura Ingraham, for example, hugely popular talk radio host-- also at that Breitbart party with Steve Bannon, by the way.
例如，劳拉·英格拉汉姆 (Laura Ingraham)，她是一位非常受欢迎的谈话电台主持人，顺便说一下，她也和史蒂夫·班农 (Steve Bannon) 一起参加了布赖特巴特新闻网 (Breitbart) 的派对。
She was constantly making the opposite argument from Republican leaders.
她不断提出与共和党领导人相反的论点。
She believed if undocumented immigrants got amnesty and then citizenship, they'd all become Democrats, dooming the Republican Party.
她相信，如果无证移民获得特赦，然后获得公民身份，他们都会成为民主党人，从而注定共和党的灭亡。
Once Republicans sign on to some comprehensive immigration reform, it's pretty much over for them, because once formerly conservative states are turned reliably Democrat, you're never going to win the presidency again.
一旦共和党人签署了一些全面的移民改革，对他们来说就差不多结束了，因为一旦以前的保守派州变成可靠的民主党人，你就永远不会再次赢得总统职位。
Immigration was a good ground-game issue, too.
移民也是一个很好的实际问题。
Zach, the campaign manager, was collecting signatures to get Brat on the ballot.
竞选经理扎克正在收集签名，让布拉特参加选票。
He'd hit the gun shows in Virginia.
他参加了弗吉尼亚州的枪支展。
You'd go there and be like, hi, we're running against Eric Cantor.
你会去那里说，嗨，我们正在对抗埃里克·坎托。
Can you please sign our petition?
您能签署我们的请愿书吗？
People were like, no. Oh, the debt's really bad.
人们的反应是，不。哦，债务实在是太糟糕了。
We need to control the debt.
我们需要控制债务。
I don't care.
我不在乎。
Do you agree Obamacare sucks?
你同意奥巴马医改很糟糕吗？
Yeah, but I'm not going to sign your thing.
是的，但我不会在你的东西上签名。
Will you help us get a guy on the ballot who's going to end illegal immigration?
你能帮助我们选出一个将结束非法移民的人吗？
Oh, definitely.
哦，当然。
And that's what I just found.
这就是我刚刚发现的。
It was so easy.
太容易了。
The campaign and the national conservative media were starting to get on the same page.
竞选活动和全国保守派媒体开始达成共识。
But they weren't really connected yet, besides a few articles in Breitbart and The Daily Caller.
但除了 Breitbart 和 The Daily Caller 上的几篇文章外，他们还没有真正建立联系。
It was hard to get out the name of somebody nobody knew, which was Dave Brat.
很难说出一个没人认识的人的名字，他就是戴夫·布拉特。
One night, Zach and a couple volunteers were working late at the campaign office.
一天晚上，扎克和几个志愿者在竞选办公室工作到很晚。
They were listening to The Mark Levin Show, part of the same Rush/Laura Ingraham genre.
他们正在听《马克·莱文秀》，属于同一类型的《拉什/劳拉·英格拉汉姆》。
He was yelling about amnesty.
他大喊大赦。
Here's Zach.
这是扎克。
We were in the office late, listening to Mark Levin on like a Wednesday.
我们在办公室待得很晚，像周三一样听马克·莱文的讲话。
I'm pretty sure that Mark was having one of those moments over immigration, I think.
我想，我很确定马克正在经历关于移民的那些时刻之一。
This is why they're never going to secure the border.
这就是为什么他们永远无法保卫边境。
We've already given amnesty.
我们已经特赦了。
Now we have to secure the border.
现在我们必须确保边境安全。
No, you don't, because there's always going to be new illegal aliens.
不，你不知道，因为总会有新的非法外国人出现。
He started going nuts on Cantor.
他开始对康托发疯。
He was just having one of those moments where he's about to have a stroke.
他正经历着即将中风的时刻之一。
And he's like, is anyone running against this guy?
他就想，有人反对这个家伙吗？
Please, somebody!
拜托，有人！
And Eric Cantor-- who's running against Eric Cantor in the Republican primary?
还有埃里克·坎托（Eric Cantor）——谁在共和党初选中与埃里克·坎托（Eric Cantor）竞选？
Let's find out, Mr. Producer.
让我们来看看吧，制片人先生。
I'm sure that it will be almost impossible to beat Cantor, but I'm going to endorse this guy and bring him on.
我确信击败坎托几乎是不可能的，但我会支持这个人并让他加入。
This Cantor is the worst.
这个康托尔是最糟糕的。
He's worse than Boehner.
他比博纳还糟糕。
And I'm like, oh, my god.
我就像，哦，天哪。
So we called.
所以我们打电话了。
I just had everybody in the office stop making volunteer calls and I was like, call the studio.
我只是让办公室里的每个人都停止打志愿者电话，我就想，给工作室打电话。
Call the studio.
给工作室打电话。
Who all started dialing the studio for like 30 minutes, trying to get through.
大家都开始拨打录音室的电话，花了大约 30 分钟，试图接通。
And then I actually got through, and I was like, Call Screener, there's somebody running against Cantor and I'm running his campaign.
然后我真的接通了，我当时想，呼叫筛选器，有人与坎托竞争，而我正在运行他的竞选活动。
And they're like, oh, my god.
他们就像，哦，天哪。
Let's get him on.
我们让他上吧。
And we got scheduled for like 8:45, the last 15 minutes of his show, on Friday night.
我们被安排在周五晚上 8 点 45 分左右，也就是他的节目的最后 15 分钟。
So that's like the worst possible 15 minutes in talk radio.
这就像脱口秀节目中最糟糕的 15 分钟。
And Dave went on.
戴夫继续说道。
Because he's running in the Republican primary against Forrest Gump, a.k.a.
因为他正在共和党初选中与阿甘（又名阿甘）竞争。
Eric Cantor.
埃里克·坎托.
A Mark Levin fan told me that Mark's always called Eric Cantor Forrest Gump because of the way he talks.
一位马克·莱文的粉丝告诉我，马克总是称埃里克·坎托为阿甘，因为他说话的方式。
Now, Mr. Brat, you don't have to call him that.
现在，布拉特先生，你不必这样称呼他。
I call him that because that's who he reminds me of.
我这么称呼他是因为他让我想起了那个人。
But I understand that you have a PhD in economics.
但我知道你有经济学博士学位。
Is that correct?
这是正确的吗？
Yeah, that's correct, Mark.
是的，这是正确的，马克。
Thanks for having me on.
谢谢你邀请我参加。
I got a master's in divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary before that, as well.
在此之前，我也获得了普林斯顿神学院的神学硕士学位。
And we raised like $25,000 that night.
那天晚上我们筹集了大约 25,000 美元。
OK.
好的。
People are paying attention.
人们正在关注。
And I'll tell you, the thing that got us a lot of the media attention and helped put gas in the tank in the form of donations from around the country was the immigration thing.
我要告诉你的是，移民问题引起了媒体的广泛关注，并以全国各地捐款的形式为我们加油。
We'd pitch them the same-- Cantor's been bad on this, this, and this, and they'd go, oh, that.
我们会向他们推销同样的东西——康托在这个、这个、这个方面都表现不佳，而他们会说，哦，那个。
That one of those thises is what we want to talk about.
其中一个就是我们想要谈论的。
Amnesty.
大赦。
Zach Werrell Yeah.
扎克·沃雷尔 是的。
And so that's what we harped on him for.
这就是我们对他喋喋不休的原因。
The campaign really needed this kind of attention because they had so little money to pay for advertising.
该活动确实需要这种关注，因为他们几乎没有钱支付广告费用。
Brat started showing up on the radio much more.
布拉特开始更多地出现在广播中。
Laura Ingraham framed his campaign very clearly.
劳拉·英格拉汉姆（Laura Ingraham）非常清楚地阐述了他的竞选活动。
Eric Cantor has expressed his unending sympathy for people who've come here illegally.
埃里克·坎托（Eric Cantor）对非法来到这里的人们表示了无尽的同情。
He claims we have a worker shortage in the United States.
他声称美国工人短缺。
These moronic Republicans who continue to latch on to this issue as if the magic illegal immigrant is the elixir for all of our problems.
这些白痴共和党人继续抓住这个问题，仿佛神奇的非法移民是解决我们所有问题的灵丹妙药。
They're going to solve everything because basically they're better than the native-born people.
他们会解决所有问题，因为基本上他们比本土出生的人更好。
Joining us now, the man who wants to change all this.
现在加入我们，这个想要改变这一切的人。
Dave Brat challenging Eric Cantor, the current House majority leader.
戴夫·布拉特 (Dave Brat) 挑战现任众议院多数党领袖埃里克·坎托 (Eric Cantor)。
Don't be a brat, Dave.
别做个小孩子，戴夫。
How are you?
你好吗？
Good to talk to you.
很高兴和你说话。
Doing great, Laura.
做得很好，劳拉。
Thanks for having me on.
谢谢你邀请我参加。
Laura Ingraham straight-up endorsed Brat.
劳拉·英格拉汉姆 (Laura Ingraham) 直接支持了布拉特 (Brat)。
She did a fundraiser for him.
她为他筹款。
Ron Maxwell, Hollywood superconnector rich guy, had called Laura Ingraham early on.
好莱坞超级联络人罗恩·麦克斯韦（Ron Maxwell）很早就给劳拉·英格拉汉姆（Laura Ingraham）打过电话。
And he tells me he noticed when the Brat campaign really started to pick up speed-- end of May, 2014, when there was that increase of young kids coming across the border, fleeing gangs in El Salvador and Guatemala.
他告诉我，他注意到“Brat”运动真正开始加速的时候——2014 年 5 月底，当时越过边境、逃离萨尔瓦多和危地马拉帮派的小孩数量有所增加。
And there was a huge surge of people, and so that was in the news every day.
人数激增，所以每天都会出现在新闻中。
And then it was all, Dave Brat is running against Eric Cantor on this issue.
然后就是这样，戴夫·布拉特 (Dave Brat) 在这个问题上与埃里克·坎托 (Eric Cantor) 竞争。
And he'd talk about it.
他会谈论这件事。
He's saying, you see?
他说，你明白吗？
There's no control at the border.
边境没有管制。
You guys aren't doing anything about it.
你们对此什么也没做。
Look at this humanitarian crisis we have.
看看我们面临的这场人道主义危机。
All these kids running the gauntlet of coyotes and rape trees and blah, blah, blah, and all that stuff.
所有这些孩子都在应对土狼和油菜树的挑战，等等，等等，等等。
Then he got more national attention.
随后他得到了更多全国性的关注。
Rape trees were something Breitbart Texas was writing about a lot in 2014.
2014 年，布赖特巴特新闻网 (Breitbart Texas) 就油菜树发表了很多文章。
Trees ominously hung with girls' underwear apparently found along the border.
树上挂着不祥的女孩内衣，显然是在边境发现的。
It was not Brat's style to talk about rape trees.
谈论油菜树不是布拉特的风格。
He talked about the crisis at the border in his own dense, numbery way.
他以他自己的密集、大量的方式谈论了边境危机。
The Washington Post reported-- Washington Times, sorry-- yesterday, 60,000 kids are expected to cross the border.
《华盛顿邮报》报道——抱歉，《华盛顿时报》昨天预计将有 60,000 名儿童跨越边境。
$225 a day per child.
每个孩子每天 225 美元。
And big business gets the cheap labor.
大企业可以获得廉价劳动力。
That's what they want.
这就是他们想要的。
But who's paying the $225 a day per 6,000 kids that are coming over the border with no parents--
但谁来为每 6,000 名没有父母陪伴的儿童支付每天 225 美元的费用——
60,000.
60,000。
Dave Brat --in what some are calling a humanitarian crisis because Eric Cantor is sending all the wrong signals.
戴夫·布拉特——有些人称之为人道主义危机，因为埃里克·坎托发出了错误的信号。
At this point, things were heating up in Congress around an immigration reform bill, which included a path to legal status.
此时，国会围绕一项移民改革法案（其中包括获得合法身份的途径）的事情正在升温。
Democratic Representative Luis Gutierrez was doing this countdown until the July 4 recess on the floor of the House every day.
民主党代表路易斯·古铁雷斯每天都会在众议院进行倒计时，直到 7 月 4 日休会。
You've got 20 days to introduce immigration reform, et cetera.
你有 20 天的时间来推行移民改革等等。
He and some Republicans were working together behind closed doors, trying to get enough votes to pass it.
他和一些共和党人正在闭门合作，试图获得足够的选票来通过该法案。
This was the bill that Steve Bannon had said Breitbart was expressly trying to kill.
史蒂夫·班农曾表示布赖特巴特新闻网明确试图废除这项法案。
Eric Cantor, at this point, had seemingly pulled to the right.
埃里克·坎托（Eric Cantor）此时似乎已经拉到了右边。
He opposed a bill that offered citizenship to undocumented immigrants who enlisted in the military and then sent out these mailers to constituents like, I killed amnesty for illegal aliens.
他反对一项法案，该法案向入伍的无证移民提供公民身份，然后向选民发出这些邮件，比如“我杀了对非法外国人的特赦”。
Gutierrez then planned a rally in Richmond about a week before the primary election to pressure Cantor to lead the house towards a vote on an immigration bill.
古铁雷斯随后计划在初选前一周左右在里士满举行集会，向坎托施加压力，要求其领导众议院对移民法案进行投票。
Then radio host Laura Ingraham's people called the Brat campaign, said, you'd better be there, too.
然后电台主持人劳拉·英格拉汉姆的人打电话给小子竞选活动，说，你最好也在那里。
So Dave Brat showed up to hammer Cantor on amnesty.
于是，戴夫·布拉特现身，要求坎托特赦。
There is no Republican in the country who is more liberal on immigration than Eric Cantor.
美国没有一位共和党人在移民问题上比埃里克·坎托（Eric Cantor）更加自由。
This race comes down to the defining issue of our time.
这场比赛归结为我们这个时代的决定性问题。
Virginia is ground zero in the fight to protect American workers.
弗吉尼亚州在保护美国工人的斗争中处于零基础。
If we want to stop amnesty, then we must stop Eric Cantor on this election day, June 10.
如果我们想停止特赦，那么我们必须在 6 月 10 日这个选举日阻止埃里克·坎托 (Eric Cantor)。
Zach, the campaign manager, remembers that Laura Ingraham's producer wrote the speech that Dave's reading here.
竞选经理扎克记得劳拉·英格拉汉姆的制片人写了戴夫在这里读的演讲稿。
Yeah, I think the speech Dave read was largely written by Laura's people.
是的，我认为戴夫读的演讲大部分是劳拉的人写的。
That explains a lot, because the way he sounds when he's reading it is maybe the way that she might talk instead of the way that he would talk.
这就解释了很多，因为他读这本书时的发音方式可能是她说话的方式，而不是他说话的方式。
Eric Cantor saying he opposes amnesty is like Barack Obama saying he opposes Obamacare.
埃里克·坎托说他反对特赦，就像巴拉克·奥巴马说他反对奥巴马医改一样。
Exactly.
确切地。
Dave would give a speech about long-term trends in productivity and wage rates in the United States since 1930 and how there's a market inflection point in 2008, and then she'd be like, oh, my god, Dave.
戴夫会就 1930 年以来美国生产率和工资率的长期趋势以及 2008 年如何出现市场拐点发表演讲，然后她会说，哦，天哪，戴夫。
I love economics, but I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
我喜欢经济学，但我什至不知道你在说什么。
I find it remarkable that Ingraham's people were helping out to this degree.
我发现英格拉汉姆的人能提供如此程度的帮助是很了不起的。
She's a radio host.
她是一名电台主持人。
But her producer, Julia Hahn, was really intense about the issue of immigration.
但她的制片人朱莉娅·哈恩 (Julia Hahn) 对移民问题非常关注。
Her name came up whenever I asked about media on the Brat campaign.
每当我询问关于“小子”竞选活动的媒体时，她的名字就会出现。
Zach says he thinks it was Julia who wrote the speech.
扎克说他认为这篇演讲稿是朱莉娅写的。
I couldn't confirm that with Julia.
我无法向朱莉娅证实这一点。
A year later, she was hired by Breitbart to write about immigration.
一年后，她受布莱巴特新闻网聘请撰写有关移民的文章。
She still works for Steve Bannon, in the White House now.
她现在仍在白宫为史蒂夫·班农工作。
At this point, it shouldn't be a surprise to you what happened on election night.
至此，您对选举之夜发生的事情应该不会感到惊讶。
But at the time, it surprised a lot of people.
但在当时，却让很多人感到惊讶。
Begin, though, with major political upset for one of the most powerful Republicans in the country, Eric Cantor.
然而，美国最有权势的共和党人之一埃里克·坎托(Eric Cantor)却遭遇了重大政治动荡。
--defeated by this Washington outsider and Tea Party candidate, Dave Brat.
——被这位华盛顿局外人、茶党候选人戴夫·布拉特击败。
Cantor lost by double digits.
康托以两位数之差落败。
He'd spent $5 and 1/2 million.
他花了五又二百万美元。
Brat had spent $200,000.
布拉特花了20万美元。
You now know-- because of that whole Hillary Clinton thing-- but seriously, money does not buy election results.
你现在知道了——因为希拉里·克林顿的事情——但说真的，金钱买不来选举结果。
John Boehner cried, it was widely reported.
据广泛报道，约翰·博纳哭了。
When the results came in early, like by 7:45 that night, that Cantor was out and Dave Brat had won, Zach hadn't figured out what to say to the press when they actually won.
当结果提前公布时，比如那天晚上 7 点 45 分，康托出局，戴夫·布拉特获胜，扎克不知道当他们真正获胜时该向媒体说什么。
I was on the phone with CNN and I just was incapable of forming a coherent sentence.
我正在给 CNN 打电话，但我无法说出一个连贯的句子。
I was just so overwhelmed.
我简直不知所措。
I was exhausted.
我已经筋疲力尽了。
I wasn't crying or anything, but I was just so overcome with emotion.
我没有哭什么的，但我只是太激动了。
I was just like, [BABBLING].
我当时就想，[胡言乱语]。
The conservative media professionals, though, they knew exactly how to explain it.
不过，保守派媒体专业人士清楚地知道如何解释这一点。
Here's Laura Ingraham with Megyn Kelly on Fox.
这是劳拉·英格拉汉姆和梅金·凯利在福克斯电视台的报道。
This is a massive wake-up call to the Republican Party if they choose to actually wake up at this point.
如果共和党选择在此时真正醒来，这对他们来说是一个巨大的警钟。
If they don't-- if John Boehner and Paul Ryan and the rest of the crew in the GOP establishment move forward after this race, with this idea of, quote, "immigration reform," which is a pathway to some type of amnesty, eventually, they will put a wedge down the middle of the Republican Party that will, in my mind, prevent a Republican from winning in 2016, exactly the opposite of what they're contending.
如果他们不这样做——如果约翰·博纳（John Boehner）和保罗·瑞安（Paul Ryan）以及共和党建制派的其他成员在这场竞选后继续前进，提出“移民改革”的想法，这是通向某种特赦的途径，最终，他们将在共和党中间制造楔子，在我看来，这将阻止共和党在 2016 年获胜，这与他们所主张的完全相反。
So this is an amazing moment for the people.
所以这对人们来说是一个了不起的时刻。
It is not to be discounted as something that happened on a rainy day.
这不能被视为雨天发生的事情。
As Breitbart said the next day, "Eric Cantor loses referendum on amnesty." Dave Brat won because of immigration.
正如布赖特巴特新闻网第二天所说，“埃里克·坎托在特赦公投中失败了。”戴夫·布拉特因移民而获胜。
The rest of the media, the networks, and the big newspapers hadn't been reporting on the race very much before this.
在此之前，其他媒体、网络和大报纸并没有对这场比赛进行太多报道。
They didn't see Brat as a serious threat to Eric Cantor.
他们并不认为布拉特对埃里克·坎托构成严重威胁。
But now that Brat won in a huge upset, they picked up on the conservative media's explanation for why it happened.
但现在布拉特以巨大的冷门获胜，他们接受了保守派媒体对其发生原因的解释。
That it was all about immigration, ignoring all the other issues, starting with Syria, the national debt, people personally offended by Cantor, people feeling ignored by Cantor.
这一切都与移民有关，忽略了所有其他问题，从叙利亚开始，国家债务，人们被康托尔个人冒犯，人们感觉被康托尔忽视。
Here's ABC.
这里是美国广播公司。
Why did he lose?
他为什么输了？
The big issue was immigration.
最大的问题是移民。
CNN.
美国有线电视新闻网。
Cnn Analyst That was the central issue here, that he was insufficiently tough when it came to the immigration issue.
美国有线电视新闻网分析师这是这里的中心问题，即他在移民问题上不够强硬。
That was the story.
这就是故事。
And as a result of this race and the coverage of this race, any immigration reform bill was doomed.
由于这场竞选和对这场竞选的报道，任何移民改革法案都注定要失败。
Here's the Washington Post's Robert Costa on CBS.
这是哥伦比亚广播公司《华盛顿邮报》的罗伯特·科斯塔的报道。
I stayed outside of the Republican Study Committee's Wednesday meeting at the Capitol, and every single member I asked on the conservative side of things said no chance for immigration this year.
我没有参加共和党研究委员会周三在国会大厦举行的会议，我询问的每一位保守派成员都表示今年没有移民机会。
Back in Virginia, the Tea Party organizers resented the idea that it was immigration that had put Cantor out.
回到弗吉尼亚州，茶党组织者对移民导致坎托出局的想法感到不满。
Brat's campaign manager, Zach, says what the race was really about was that Cantor was ignoring his own district.
布拉特的竞选经理扎克表示，这场竞选的真正目的是坎托忽视了自己的选区。
Laura Ingraham and others-- I'm not denigrating them at all or anything with this statement.
劳拉·英格拉汉姆（Laura Ingraham）和其他人——我并不是用这个声明来诋毁他们或任何东西。
But a lot of people would say Dave Brat won because of illegal immigration and that validates everything we're doing.
但很多人会说戴夫·布拉特获胜是因为非法移民，这验证了我们所做的一切。
I don't know-- I disagree with that.
我不知道——我不同意这一点。
I think that immigration definitely played a big role in getting attention and money and national focus, but I think that, at the end of the day, it was Cantor's aloof and people saw him as a jerk.
我认为移民在获得关注、金钱和国家关注方面肯定发挥了重要作用，但我认为，归根结底，这是坎托的冷漠，人们认为他是个混蛋。
There were no exit polls.
没有出口民意调查。
There was a poll, though, a week before the election of registered Republican primary voters in this district.
不过，在该选区登记的共和党初选选民选举前一周进行了一项民意调查。
Illegal immigration was fourth on the list of important issues to these voters, way below Obamacare.
对这些选民来说，非法移民在重要问题清单上排名第四，远低于奥巴马医改。
There was also a poll a week after the election after all the media coverage, where half the voters said immigration was a significant reason for their vote, and half said it wasn't.
选举一周后，在所有媒体报道之后还进行了一项民意调查，一半选民表示移民是他们投票的一个重要原因，一半选民表示不是。
Only 12% said immigration was the main reason they voted for him.
只有 12% 的人表示移民是他们投票给他的主要原因。
When the immigration deal eventually died, the glow of this victory at Breitbart is hard to overstate.
当移民协议最终失败时，布赖特巴特新闻网的胜利所带来的光彩怎么强调都不为过。
At that party you heard about at the beginning of the show at the Breitbart headquarters in Washington, Jeff Sessions told the reporter who was there, Reid Cherlin, that one of the reasons he was such a fan of Breitbart News was that he believed they were the ones who had killed the immigration deal in Congress.
在节目开始时在华盛顿布赖特巴特新闻网总部举办的那个聚会上，杰夫·塞申斯告诉当时在场的记者里德·切尔林，他如此喜欢布赖特巴特新闻网的原因之一是，他相信他们是那些在国会否决移民协议的人。
And then later, at that dinner at the Odeon, pens on his collar, didn't take off his coat, Bannon himself was taking credit for killing the leadership's dreams of immigration reform.
后来，在 Odeon 的晚宴上，班农衣领上插着钢笔，没有脱掉外套，他自己却因为扼杀了领导层的移民改革梦想而受到赞扬。
We changed the narrative on amnesty.
我们改变了关于特赦的叙述。
It was number 12 in May, and Memorial Day weekend, it was number 12.
这是 5 月份的第 12 名，阵亡将士纪念日周末也是第 12 名。
And when they did the Gallup poll about interests of the American people, it was not an issue.
当他们对美国人民的利益进行盖洛普民意调查时，这不是问题。
It was not an issue.
这不是问题。
The gang of eight was going through.
一行八人正在经历。
And 90 days later, 120 days later, we've stopped the president of the United States.
90 天后，120 天后，我们阻止了美国总统。
He's saying illegal immigration was 12th on a list of issues the American people cared about, according to a Gallup poll.
他表示，根据盖洛普民意调查，非法移民在美国人民关心的问题清单中排名第 12 位。
And yet, he says, within a few months, we've stopped the President of the United States, meaning stopped President Obama's hope for an immigration deal.
然而，他说，几个月之内，我们就阻止了美国总统，这意味着奥巴马总统达成移民协议的希望也被阻止了。
To Bannon and populists around the world, this was hugely empowering.
对于班农和世界各地的民粹主义者来说，这赋予了他们巨大的力量。
It felt like the first domino knocking down the globalists.
这感觉就像是第一张多米诺骨牌推倒了全球主义者。
A few months later, Bannon was speaking to this far-right conference at the Vatican, and he was asked by an attendee in Vatican City about Eric Cantor's defeat in the 7th district of Virginia.
几个月后，班农在梵蒂冈举行的极右翼会议上发表讲话，梵蒂冈城的一位与会者向他询问埃里克·坎托在弗吉尼亚州第七选区的失败。
Eric Cantor just wasn't beaten.
埃里克·坎托只是没有被打败。
It was a landslide.
这是一场山体滑坡。
And not one, outside of Breitbart-- we covered this for six months, day in and day out.
除了布赖特巴特新闻网之外，没有一家——我们花了六个月的时间日复一日地报道这一点。
Not one news site-- not Fox News, not POLITICO, no sites picked us up.
没有一个新闻网站——福克斯新闻、政治新闻网站都没有，没有任何网站注意到我们。
And the reason that this guy won is quite simple.
而这家伙获胜的原因也很简单。
Middle-class people and working-class people are tired of people like Eric Cantor, who say they're conservative, selling out their interest every day to crony capitalists.
中产阶级和工人阶级厌倦了像埃里克·坎托这样的人，他们说自己很保守，每天都把自己的利益出卖给裙带资本家。
If they could crush Eric Cantor, what couldn't they do?
如果他们能碾压埃里克·坎托，还有什么是他们做不到的呢？
And it meant, when Donald Trump announced he was running for president, Steve Bannon and everyone else who felt vindicated by the Brat race thought he could win.
这意味着，当唐纳德·特朗普宣布竞选总统时，史蒂夫·班农和其他所有因“小子”竞选而感到平实的人都认为他能够获胜。
They had already seen it in miniature.
他们已经看到了它的缩影。
Like, here's filmmaker Ron Maxwell, who started this whole thing over Syria.
比如，电影制片人罗恩·麦克斯韦（Ron Maxwell）就是从叙利亚开始这整件事的。
He remembers when Trump announced his candidacy.
他记得特朗普宣布参选时的情景。
I saw that opening speech.
我看到了开幕词。
And he started in ways that I admit are a little crude, but he brought the issue up of illegal immigration and sovereignty and trade.
我承认他的开头有点粗鲁，但他提出了非法移民、主权和贸易问题。
And he really got on my radar.
他确实引起了我的注意。
I said, what a presidential candidate.
我说，多么好的总统候选人啊。
Jeb Bush?
杰布·布什？
Never.
绝不。
None of the guys.
没有一个人。
He sounded like Dave Brat.
他听起来像戴夫·布拉特。
And then, soon after, I got on board.
然后，不久之后，我就上了船。
And I was on board for the whole campaign.
我参与了整个竞选活动。
So he opened the Rolodex and started calling his people, his fellow populists in the media.
于是他打开名片盒，开始给他的人民、媒体上的民粹主义者同胞打电话。
Zoe Chace is one of the producers of our program.
佐伊·查斯是我们节目的制作人之一。
Coming up, he calls himself homeboy, but actually, I think the more accurate term is OG.
接下来，他称自己为homeboy，但实际上，我认为更准确的术语是OG。
Pat Buchanan in a minute from WBEZ Chicago when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，帕特·布坎南 (Pat Buchanan) 将从 WBEZ 芝加哥赶来。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, The Beginning of Now, the story of how the people who put Donald Trump into the White House kicked into action in 2014.
今天的节目《现在的开始》讲述了 2014 年让唐纳德·特朗普入主白宫的人们如何开始行动的故事。
Meeting at parties, fomenting change, testing their political ideals in the congressional election to defeat Eric Cantor.
在聚会上聚会，煽动变革，在国会选举中检验他们的政治理想，击败埃里克·坎托。
Though, some of the ideas that came to the fore in 2014 were uncannily familiar.
不过，2014 年出现的一些想法却出奇地熟悉。
And that's what we're talking about in this act.
这就是我们在此法案中讨论的内容。
Of everybody all over the world who watched the presidential campaign of Donald Trump last year, I think it's possible that the person who had the eeriest experience of it was Pat Buchanan, because he watched Trump sweep into office championing the same set of ideas that Buchanan ran for president with, and lost with, three different times-- 1992, '96, and 2000.
在全世界所有观看唐纳德·特朗普去年总统竞选活动的人中，我认为经历最怪异的人可能是帕特·布坎南，因为他亲眼目睹特朗普入主白宫，所倡导的理念与布坎南在三次不同时期（1992 年、96 年和 2000 年）竞选总统和失败的理念相同。
Buchanan is probably best known for a speech that he gave at the 1992 Republican Convention that defined the party and him for a while, decrying that our country was in the middle of a cultural war with homosexuals, abortion, pornography, and radical feminism on one side, and Judeo-Christian values and Republicans on the other.
布坎南最出名的可能是他在 1992 年共和党全国代表大会上发表的一次演讲，该演讲一度定义了共和党和他，他谴责我们的国家正处于一场文化战争之中，一方面是同性恋、堕胎、色情和激进女权主义，另一方面是犹太基督教价值观和共和党。
But his presidential campaigns were about more than that.
但他的总统竞选活动的意义远不止于此。
Here he is in 1996.
这是 1996 年的他。
We had one year of NAFTA.
我们签订了一年的北美自由贸易协定。
After one year, 300,000 jobs are gone.
一年后，30万个工作岗位消失了。
In addition to that, illegal immigration is soaring, narcotics pouring in.
除此之外，非法移民数量激增，毒品大量涌入。
He's got Trump's whole agenda.
他掌握了特朗普的全部议程。
Buchanan wanted to quit trade deals like NAFTA, stop companies from relocating factories overseas, get tough on immigration, phase out foreign aid, make our European allies pay for their own defense, build a wall on the Mexico border, stay out of foreign wars, recapture Washington from the moneyed political class and make it serve the forgotten middle class.
布坎南想要退出北美自由贸易协定等贸易协定，阻止公司将工厂迁往海外，对移民采取强硬态度，逐步取消对外援助，让我们的欧洲盟友为自己的防务买单，在墨西哥边境修建隔离墙，远离外国战争，从富有的政治阶层手中夺回华盛顿，并让它为被遗忘的中产阶级服务。
And his slogan?
他的口号是什么？
You ready for this?
你准备好了吗？
America First.
美国第一。
So today we call for a new patriotism where Americans begin to put the needs of Americans first, for a new nationalism--
因此，今天我们呼吁一种新的爱国主义，美国人开始把美国人的需求放在第一位，一种新的民族主义——
So that "America first" passage, do you recognize what speech that was?
那么“美国优先”的那段话，你知道那是什么演讲吗？
It sounds like an announcement speech in New Hampshire, '92 or '96.
这听起来像是 92 年或 96 年新罕布什尔州的一场宣布演讲。
It was his first presidential announcement in '92 in Concord.
这是他 92 年在康科德首次发表总统声明。
Producer Zoe Chace and I talked to him in his home in McLean, Virginia-- right next to the CIA, he told us.
制片人佐伊·切斯和我在他位于弗吉尼亚州麦克莱恩的家中与他进行了交谈——就在中央情报局旁边，他告诉我们。
And it was pretty close.
而且已经非常接近了。
A house with white columns and a living room full of political souvenirs.
一座有白色柱子的房子，客厅里摆满了政治纪念品。
See over there, that piece of glazed glass there?
看到那边那块琉璃了吗？
A red, white, and blue stained glass windowpane was on the coffee table in the living room with his old slogan on it.
客厅的咖啡桌上有一块红、白、蓝三色的彩色玻璃窗，上面写着他的旧口号。
"America First, 1992." Ira Glass A painting of Buchanan on the campaign bus in Iowa was above the fireplace.
“美国优先，1992 年。”艾拉·格拉斯 壁炉上方挂着一幅布坎南在爱荷华州竞选巴士上的画。
Photos of him traveling with Richard Nixon to China, when he was one of Nixon's closest advisers and strategists.
他与理查德·尼克松一起前往中国的照片，当时他是尼克松最亲密的顾问和战略家之一。
A photo of him in a huddle with Ronald Reagan, back when he was in the inner circle of that White House.
一张他与罗纳德·里根挤在一起的照片，当时他还在白宫的核心圈子里。
He was communications director.
他是通讯总监。
In the picture, they're going through a speech that he'd hastily rewritten after the Reykjavik arms talks ended badly.
照片中，他们正在阅读他在雷克雅未克军备谈判惨败后匆忙重写的演讲稿。
And I had these cards.
我有这些卡片。
Put this card here, sir, and this card there.
先生，把这张卡放在这里，把这张卡放在那里。
And we were trying to figure it out.
我们试图找出答案。
Back when Ronald Reagan became president, it was widely acknowledged that the ideas that he had run on had been championed by Barry Goldwater when he ran and lost 16 years before that.
早在罗纳德·里根就任总统时，人们就广泛承认，他竞选时所秉持的理念得到了巴里·戈德华特 (Barry Goldwater) 的拥护，当时他曾在 16 年前参选，但最终落败。
Donald Trump ran 16 years after Buchanan's final campaign.
唐纳德·特朗普在布坎南最后一次竞选 16 年后参加竞选。
And for months now, Zoe and I have wondered why, except for an article here or there, Buchanan wasn't getting more credit.
几个月来，佐伊和我一直想知道为什么除了到处发表的一篇文章外，布坎南没有得到更多的赞誉。
He told us, yeah, of course he noticed.
他告诉我们，是的，他当然注意到了。
It was his old platform right from the first day Trump announced.
从特朗普宣布这一消息的第一天起，这就是他的旧平台。
When he came down the escalator and he began talking about the trade deficits, he began talking about border security, about building a wall on the border.
当他走下自动扶梯时，他开始谈论贸易逆差，他开始谈论边境安全，谈论在边境修建隔离墙。
There was a Buchanan fence.
有一道布坎南栅栏。
It was economic nationalism or economic patriotism.
这是经济民族主义或经济爱国主义。
And so did you think like, hey, there it is?
所以你是不是想，嘿，就在那里？
Or were you like hey, that's mine?
或者你觉得嘿，那是我的？
Well, did you recognize it?
怎么样，你认出来了吗？
Sure you did.
当然你做到了。
When he says "America first," people were calling up.
当他说“美国优先”时，人们纷纷打电话来。
And so I was elated.
所以我很高兴。
I was all for Trump.
我完全支持特朗普。
And I come from a big family, nieces and nephews, and I got-- Uncle Pat is as happy as a p-- [LAUGHING] Uncle Pat is as happy as he could be watching what's going on.
我来自一个大家庭，有侄女和侄子，我 - 帕特叔叔非常高兴 - [笑] 帕特叔叔非常高兴，因为他可以看到正在发生的事情。
I mean, he really raised and elevated these issues.
我的意思是，他确实提出并提升了这些问题。
No, not at all.
不，一点也不。
I'm delighted.
我很高兴。
[LAUGHING]
[笑]
This is my last try with this "aren't you mad you didn't get credit?" question.
这是我最后一次尝试“你没有得到荣誉，你不生气吗？”问题。
When people talk about Trumpism, do you think like, hey, that's really Buchananism?
当人们谈论特朗普主义时，你是否认为，嘿，这真的是布坎南主义？
Does that ever happen?
这种事会发生吗？
Why do you think he was able to win on a platform so close to yours?
您认为为什么他能够在与您如此接近的平台上获胜？
What's changed?
发生了什么变化？
What's changed is, instead of 3 or 4 million illegals in the country, you had 11 and 1/2 million.
变化的是，这个国家的非法移民人数不再是三四百万，而是十一又二分之一百万。
They're in every city and town of America, and everybody suddenly realizes it.
它们遍布美国的每一个城镇，每个人都突然意识到了这一点。
So it's now the disaster of these policies, the returns are in.
所以现在这些政策是灾难，回报已经到来。
When you lose a third of your manufacturing-- the greatest manufacturing power in the history of man-- everybody knows it.
当你失去三分之一的制造业——人类历史上最伟大的制造力量——时，每个人都知道。
You can point to the reality-- you can point to the reality.
你可以指出现实——你可以指出现实。
You don't have to say this is what's going to happen if you do this.
您不必说如果您这样做就会发生这种情况。
What we predicted came to pass.
我们的预测发生了。
So it's partly the issues.
所以这部分是问题。
When he ran, Buchanan said the issues hadn't matured.
布坎南竞选时表示，问题尚未成熟。
But he readily acknowledged that Donald Trump was a special candidate and had all kinds of assets as a candidate that he hadn't had.
但他欣然承认唐纳德·特朗普是一位特殊的候选人，并且拥有他作为候选人所没有的各种资产。
Lots of money.
很多钱。
He was better known.
他更为人所知。
Buchanan mentioned Trump's plane a few times.
布坎南多次提到特朗普的飞机。
Apparently, when you run for president, having your own airplane is very, very helpful.
显然，当你竞选总统时，拥有自己的飞机是非常非常有帮助的。
Buchanan is an accomplished speechwriter and has written some famous presidential addresses that are careful and substantive and reach for grand themes.
布坎南是一位出色的演讲撰稿人，写过一些著名的总统演讲，这些演讲内容细致、内容丰富、主题宏大。
And I thought maybe Trump's off-the-cuff, not-deeply-informed-on-the-issues speaking style would be repellent to him, but he said no. He admires the spontaneity.
我认为特朗普即兴的、对问题不深入了解的讲话风格可能会让他感到反感，但他说不。他欣赏这种自发性。
The catchphrases.
流行语。
Like, "and Mexico's going to pay for it." It was a very effective speech.
就像，“墨西哥将为此付出代价。”这是一次非常有效的演讲。
And it's riveting, and it's very interesting and entertaining.
它引人入胜，非常有趣和有趣。
He's a great candidate.
他是一个很好的候选人。
There's no question about it.
毫无疑问。
When you were talking about seeing Trump's announcement coming down the escalator--
当你谈到看到特朗普的声明从自动扶梯上下来时——
Mhm.
嗯。
Zoe Chace When he talked about Mexican rapists, what was your reaction to that?
佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace）当他谈到墨西哥强奸犯时，你对此有何反应？
It was jolting.
很震动。
But it was-- you said that-- look, this is a guy that's not been sandpapered in politics.
但你说的是，看，这是一个在政治上没有经过砂纸打磨的人。
And it's raw.
而且它是生的。
People have different assets.
人们拥有不同的资产。
And he's got the ones that are-- from never having been in politics, it's got a real freshness to it.
他有这样的能力——由于从未涉足政坛，所以他对政治有一种真正的新鲜感。
But did you have moments where you were just like, ooh, don't do that?
但你是否也有过这样的时刻：哦，不要那样做？
Look, very early on, you caught on.
看，很早就你就明白了。
And my feeling was, look, this is the last chance for the ideas that I advocated and championed, and they've matured, these issues have, and he's the sole individual that's carrying them, and this may be the last chance for them, so I'm going to cut him an awful lot of slack.
我的感觉是，看，这是我所倡导和拥护的想法的最后机会，它们已经成熟，这些问题已经成熟，而他是唯一携带这些想法的人，这可能是它们的最后机会，所以我要给他很大的宽松空间。
He's, culturally and socially, a different kind of guy than I am, but I'm for him, and so I'm going to stick with him right to the end.
从文化和社会角度来看，他是一个与我不同的人，但我支持他，所以我会坚持到底。
And this is the last chance.
这是最后的机会。
And it is a chance.
这是一个机会。
It's a long shot, but it is a chance.
虽然机会渺茫，但也是一个机会。
When Buchanan says it's the last chance for these ideas, what he means is the country's problems have gotten so bad.
当布坎南说这是实现这些想法的最后机会时，他的意思是这个国家的问题已经变得如此严重。
So many jobs have gone overseas.
很多工作岗位都流向了海外。
So many factories have closed.
很多工厂都关门了。
And so many immigrants have already arrived.
许多移民已经抵达。
He's against that.
他反对这样做。
In a number of books, he's written with alarm about America becoming a less white, more diverse country.
在许多书中，他都对美国变成一个白人更少、更加多元化的国家感到震惊。
"We are so divided already," he says, "and this divides us more."
“我们已经如此分裂，”他说，“这让我们更加分裂。”
There's another one of his ideas that's come back in the age of Trump, championed by Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions and a world of radio talk shows and websites and Breitbart News.
他的另一个想法在特朗普时代再次出现，得到史蒂夫·班农（Steve Bannon）和杰夫·塞申斯（Jeff Sessions）以及广播脱口秀、网站和布莱巴特新闻（Breitbart News）的支持。
This idea that immigrants are destroying our country's Judeo-Christian values because they don't assimilate because of multiculturalism.
这种观点认为，移民正在摧毁我们国家的犹太基督教价值观，因为他们因多元文化主义而无法同化。
As I say, if you go back to 1960, the melting pot worked.
正如我所说，如果你回到 1960 年，你会发现熔炉发挥了作用。
The melting pot stopped working.
熔炉停止工作了。
I don't know.
我不知道。
When it comes to this country, when you make the argument of, whoa, our country was better off when we were majority white and Judeo-Christian?
当谈到这个国家时，当你提出这样的论点时，哇，当我们以白人和犹太基督教徒为主时，我们的国家会变得更好吗？
And why is it better?
为什么它更好？
Just lay out the case.
简单把案子摆出来吧。
Why is that better?
为什么这样更好？
Well, maybe it's preference.
嗯，也许这是偏好。
I feel more comfortable.
我感觉更舒服了。
I'm a homeboy, and I feel more comfortable with the folks you grew up with.
我是个宅男，和和你一起长大的人在一起感觉更自在。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I mean, I say with respect, the people who I meet who are supposedly so different, they just never seem that different to me.
我的意思是，我怀着敬意地说，我遇到的那些被认为如此不同的人，他们在我看来从来没有那么不同。
They really don't.
他们真的不知道。
They seem very American to me.
他们对我来说看起来非常美国化。
No, don't have the money for that, sir.
不，先生，我没有钱这么做。
Definitely not.
绝对不是。
Davos-- that's the place in Switzerland where millionaire elites meet once a year supposedly to plot their globalist, free trade, one world, no borders, George Soros, Bono agenda.
达沃斯——瑞士的百万富翁精英们每年聚会一次的地方，据说是为了策划他们的全球主义、自由贸易、同一个世界、无国界、乔治·索罗斯、波诺议程。
In this living room, that is a big diss.
在这个客厅里，这是一个很大的争议。
The other problem from Buchanan's perspective, with the country becoming less white, is political.
从布坎南的角度来看，另一个问题是政治问题，即这个国家的白人越来越少。
Buchanan's been a serious student of political demographics.
布坎南一直是政治人口统计学的认真研究者。
He's one of the people who rose from the ashes of Goldwater's defeat in 1964 and figured out a new combination of demographic groups that could propel Richard Nixon into the White House in 1968.
他是从 1964 年戈德华特失败的废墟中崛起的人之一，并找到了一种新的人口群体组合，可以推动理查德·尼克松 (Richard Nixon) 在 1968 年入主白宫。
And when he looks at the demographics today, he considers the possibility of more Latinos and other immigrants becoming part of the electorate.
当他审视当今的人口统计数据时，他考虑了更多拉丁裔和其他移民成为选民一部分的可能性。
He agrees with the Republicans that you've heard this hour who believe that that does not look good for their party.
他同意共和党人的观点，即你今天听到的共和党人认为这对他们的政党来说并不好。
North Carolina is shifting.
北卡罗来纳州正在发生变化。
Georgia is shifting demographically.
佐治亚州的人口结构正在发生变化。
The American Southwest is shifting.
美国西南部正在发生变化。
The Hispanic vote is growing.
西班牙裔选民的投票正在增加。
It's going to be almost impossible to win.
想要获胜几乎是不可能的。
Trump won, but he lost by 3 million votes.
特朗普获胜，但他以300万票之差落败。
And 80,000 votes the other way and we'd still be talking about the eternal lock the Democratic Party's got on the presidency.
反过来说，如果有 80,000 张选票，我们仍然会谈论民主党永远锁定总统宝座。
In other words, they have a problem, the Republican Party.
换句话说，他们有一个问题，就是共和党。
It's far harder for me to solve than the one I saw after Barry Goldwater.
对我来说，解决这个问题比我在巴里·戈德华特之后看到的问题要困难得多。
You could see the path-- the path up the mountainside there.
你可以看到那条路——那条上山的路。
I don't see it now.
我现在看不到了。
There's another way that Trump represents the last chance for Buchanan's ideas.
特朗普还有另一种方式代表着布坎南思想的最后机会。
If the Republican Party does not attract more nonwhite voters, it's hard to see how they're going to continue to win the White House.
如果共和党不能吸引更多的非白人选民，很难想象他们将如何继续入主白宫。
And this is something really interesting about where Republicans are right now, even in this moment of triumph they're having, where they have the White House and both houses of Congress and so many state houses and governor's mansions around the country.
共和党人现在的处境非常有趣，即使在他们正在取得胜利的时刻，他们拥有白宫、国会参众两院以及全国各地的许多州议会大厦和州长官邸。
When they look at the future, they're still looking down the barrel of the same dilemma they had in 2014, back at the beginning of now.
当他们展望未来时，他们仍然会陷入 2014 年年初时遇到的同样困境。
The party is still wrestling with the same issue that got Eric Cantor knocked out of office.
该党仍在努力解决导致埃里克·坎托下台的同一问题。
They have to choose between two policies, neither of which seems like it solves their national political problems.
他们必须在两项政策之间做出选择，这两项政策似乎都无法解决他们的国家政治问题。
If they stay tough on immigration, they think they'll kiss off most of the Latino vote, which will doom them.
如果他们在移民问题上保持强硬态度，他们认为他们会失去大部分拉丁裔选票，这将注定他们的灭亡。
Though, if they provide a path to citizenship, they believe those new Latino voters mostly will be Democrats, and that'll doom them.
不过，如果他们提供一条获得公民身份的途径，他们相信这些新的拉丁裔选民大多将是民主党人，这将注定他们的灭亡。
So what do you think the Republican Party should do?
那么你认为共和党应该做什么呢？
Should they try to reach out beyond the white vote that they have?
他们是否应该尝试超越他们拥有的白人选票？
I think economic nationalism is the future-- the kind of appeal Trump made to nationalism-- America first.
我认为经济民族主义是未来——特朗普对民族主义的呼吁——美国优先。
To be clear, he's saying, do everything you can to keep jobs in the US.
他的意思是，要明确的是，要尽一切努力把工作岗位留在美国。
Quit trade deals like NAFTA.
退出北美自由贸易协定等贸易协定。
Impose tariffs on imported goods.
对进口商品征收关税。
And if that boosts the economy, it's going to help everybody and appeal not just to white people, but voters of all races who might decide then to vote Republican.
如果这能提振经济，那么它将帮助每个人，不仅吸引白人，还吸引所有种族的选民，他们可能会决定投票给共和党。
It's not white nationalism, he says.
他说，这不是白人民族主义。
You can't have white nationalists if they're diminishing as a share of the population.
如果白人民族主义者在人口中所占的比例不断减少，就不可能有白人民族主义者。
It's American nationalism.
这是美国的民族主义。
The one winning hand the Republicans have, I think, is going to be American nationalism.
我认为，共和党的胜利之手将是美国民族主义。
If that works, it's basically more Trumpism, more Buchananism going forward into the future.
如果这有效，那么未来基本上会更多的是特朗普主义、更多的布坎南主义。
Though, Buchanan, he's the first to admit, is a pessimist.
不过，布坎南是第一个承认自己是悲观主义者的人。
This really might not work, he says.
他说，这可能真的行不通。
The demographic problems the party's facing are so profound.
该党面临的人口问题是如此深刻。
And if this doesn't work, the now that we're in right now-- the whole "Donald Trump, America first, reject the rest of the world, wall up the borders" America-- that will not be the future, for the country or the party.
如果这不起作用，那么我们现在所处的情况——整个“唐纳德·特朗普，美国优先，拒绝世界其他国家，筑起边境”美国——对于国家或政党来说，这都不会是未来。
It'll just be a blip.
这只是昙花一现。
Pat Buchanan's newest book, by the way, is history that he participated in himself.
顺便说一句，帕特·布坎南的最新著作是他自己参与的历史。
It's called Nixon's White House Wars-- The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever.
这就是所谓的“尼克松的白宫战争——成就和毁掉一位总统并永远分裂美国的战争”。
It comes out in a week.
一周后就会出来。
Let's close out today with one last clip.
让我们用最后一个片段来结束今天的活动吧。
This is the night before the 1996 Republican Convention in San Diego.
这是 1996 年圣地亚哥共和党大会的前一天晚上。
The candidate's telling the crowd that, even though he didn't win the Republican nomination, his ideas about America first, they still had a future.
这位候选人告诉人群，尽管他没有赢得共和党提名，但他对美国优先的想法，他们仍然有未来。
Before our eyes and before their eyes, this party is becoming a Buchanan Party.
在我们眼前和他们眼前，这个政党正在变成布坎南政党。
The old era is over.
旧时代已经结束了。
The old order--
旧秩序——
[APPLAUDING WILDLY] The old order is passing away.
[热烈鼓掌]旧秩序正在消失。
But within this party, a new party is being born.
但在这个政党内部，一个新的政党正在诞生。
God willing, God willing, we will be there at its birth, and one day, the stone the builders rejected shall become the cornerstone.
上帝保佑，上帝保佑，我们将在它诞生时在那里，有一天，建造者抛弃的石头将成为房角石。
[MUSIC - "HOW IT STARTS" BY CAMEO CULTURE]
[音乐 - CAMEO CULTURE 的“如何开始”]
Our program was produced today by our senior producer, Brian Reed.
今天我们的节目由我们的高级制片人布莱恩·里德制作。
Our staff includes Susan Burton, Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Whitney Dangerfield, Neil Drumming, Kimberly Henderson, Stephanie Foo, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Matt Tierney, Julie Whitaker, and Diane Wu.
我们的员工包括 Susan Burton、Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Whitney Dangerfield、Neil Drumming、Kimberly Henderson、Stephanie Foo、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Matt Tierney、Julie Whitaker 和 Diane Wu。
Research help today from Christopher Swetala and Benjamin Phelan.
Christopher Swetala 和 Benjamin Phelan 今天提供了研究帮助。
Music help today from Damien Graef.
今天达米安·格雷夫 (Damien Graef) 提供音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
[致谢] 我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he came with me to synagogue for Passover this year.
你知道，今年他和我一起去犹太教堂过逾越节。
He did not enjoy it.
他不喜欢这样。
This Cantor is the worst!
这个康托尔最惨了！
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。