610: Grand Gesture - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass So Miki, this is your high school.
序言 Ira Glass 所以 Miki，这是你的高中。
This is my high school.
这是我的高中。
And it's really weird to be here with you, even though I suggested this.
尽管我建议这样做，但和你在一起真的很奇怪。
Even though this was my idea.
尽管这是我的想法。
We're in Payson, Utah, a small town about an hour south of Salt Lake City.
我们位于犹他州佩森，这是一个距离盐湖城以南约一小时车程的小镇。
It's me and Miki Meek, one of the producers here at This American Life.
这是我和《This American Life》的制片人之一米基·米克 (Miki Meek)。
She hasn't been back to her high school since she graduated, but says it looks the same.
自从毕业后，她就没有再回到过高中，但她说一切看起来都一样。
And same groups of kids too-- jocks, stoners, cowboys, regular kids.
还有同样一群孩子——运动员、瘾君子、牛仔、普通孩子。
And which were you?
而你又是哪一个呢？
Miki Meek I think I was a regular kid.
米基·米克（Miki Meek） 我想我是一个普通的孩子。
Regular kid/county kid.
普通孩子/县孩子。
We lived in the country, yeah, yeah.
我们住在乡下，是的，是的。
Let's see, where are we are walking by now?
让我们看看，我们现在走到哪里了？
Just walking through the hallway.
刚走过走廊。
This is the main hallway.
这是主走廊。
Opening scenes of Footloose are right here.
《Footloose》的开场场景就在这里。
Oh, right.
哦，对了。
Payson High School is where they filmed Footloose.
佩森高中是他们拍摄《Footloose》的地方。
Yeah, the opening scene, so Kevin Bacon's first day of school.
是的，开场场景，就是凯文·培根上学的第一天。
He walks past the cafeteria in this hallway, and a cowboy confronts him, right in this spot.
他走过走廊里的自助餐厅，一个牛仔就在这个地方与他对峙。
Right in the spot where we're standing, yeah.
就在我们站的地方，是的。
I downloaded the film later.
我后来下载了这部电影。
Totally true.
完全正确。
But of course, America, everybody knows there's a time to be born and a time die, and a time to dance, and a time to talk about Footloose.
当然，美国，每个人都知道有出生的时候，也有死亡的时候，有跳舞的时候，也有谈论自由自在的时候。
And this is not that time.
而现在还不是那个时候。
[MUSIC PLAYING] We are not here in Miki's school to talk about a movie about dancing.
[音乐播放] 我们不是在三木的学校谈论一部关于舞蹈的电影。
We're here to talk about real life dances at this high school, and more specifically, the way that the real life students ask each other to dances.
我们来这里是为了谈论这所高中的现实生活中的舞蹈，更具体地说，是现实生活中的学生要求彼此跳舞的方式。
You ask someone to a dance, you've got to go big.
你邀请某人跳舞，你就必须表现得很大。
Which means you've got to leave something on someone's porch.
这意味着你必须在某人的门廊上留下一些东西。
You gotta decorate their car.
你得装饰他们的车。
You gotta break into their bedroom.
你必须闯入他们的卧室。
You gotta send them on a scavenger hunt.
你得派他们去寻宝。
The very minimum anybody does is a bit of prop humor.
任何人至少要做的就是一点道具幽默。
You leave some object and then a pun written on poster board.
你留下一些物品，然后在海报板上写下双关语。
Like Owen Grimshaw was just asked to the Sadie Hawkins Dance this way.
就像欧文·格里姆肖刚刚被邀请参加萨迪·霍金斯舞会一样。
They had pants in a box.
他们把裤子放在一个盒子里。
And they said "I'd ship my pants if you went to Sadie's with me."
他们说：“如果你和我一起去萨迪家，我会把我的裤子寄出去。”
A senior, Ivan Webber, Told me about last year's Sweethearts dance, he took a laminated name tag, wrote a message on it, and then froze it in a block of ice, which he was very proud of.
一位学长伊万·韦伯（Ivan Webber）向我讲述了去年的甜心舞会，他拿了一个层压名牌，在上面写了一条信息，然后将其冻结在一块冰中，对此他感到非常自豪。
I was just like, "Going to Sweethearts would be cool." And it was like, "it's pretty chill." Like, chill.
我当时想，“去甜心会很酷。”就像，“这很冷。”就像，冷静。
OK?
好的？
No, I get it.
不，我明白了。
Sometimes the props they use are living animals.
有时他们使用的道具是活的动物。
And some of these kids have access to farms.
其中一些孩子可以进入农场。
Ivan's little sister Mariah left a pair of goats at a guy's house with a poster.
伊万的妹妹玛丽亚把一对山羊和一张海报留在了一个男人的家里。
And it said, "I'm not kidding.
它说：“我不是在开玩笑。
I would love to goat to Sadie's with you."
我很乐意和你一起去萨迪家。”
Slight variation on that, senior Alyssa Sutton left a guy a basket with four baby kittens and this message.
略有不同的是，高年级学生艾莉莎·萨顿给一个人留下了一个篮子，里面有四只小猫和这条信息。
"I'm not kitten when I say I want to go to Sadie's with a cool cat like you."
“当我说我想和你这样一只很酷的猫一起去萨迪家时，我并不是小猫。”
Senior Ashlynn Yul left a chicken for a guy who asked her to a dance, a live chicken and Starbursts.
高年级的阿什琳·尤尔（Ashlynn Yul）给一个邀请她跳舞的人留下了一只鸡，一只活鸡和星爆。
The message?
消息？
"I'm not going to chicken out on you.
“我不会对你胆怯。
I've been bursting to say yes."
我已经迫不及待地答应了。”
The guy actually returned the chicken.
那家伙真的还回了鸡。
The goat got returned too.
山羊也被带回来了。
The kittens stayed.
小猫们留下来了。
Junior Caitlin Mitchell left a tree for her boyfriend.
小凯特琳·米切尔为她的男朋友留下了一棵树。
And I asked him, "It would be tree-mendous if you'd go to Sweethearts with me." And he answered back with "Needle-less to say, I'd be burning up if I'd said no." And he lit the trees on fire in my front yard.
我问他：“如果你能和我一起去甜心店，那就太好了。”他回答说：“不用说，如果我拒绝，我会被烧死的。”他点燃了我前院的树木。
Wait.
等待。
He set them on fire?
他放火烧了他们？
Caitlin Mitchell Yeah.
凯特琳·米切尔 是的。
There was snow in my yard, so-- I mean--
我的院子里下了雪，所以——我的意思是——
Saying yes, you're supposed to be as creative as the person who asked you.
说“是”，你就应该和邀请你的人一样有创造力。
Tyler Johnson told me about the time that his sister had a neighbor help her out with that.
泰勒·约翰逊告诉我，有一次他姐姐的邻居帮她解决了这个问题。
The neighbor was a policeman, and she hid in the back of his police car as he spotted the guy who asked her to dance.
邻居是一名警察，当他发现那个请她跳舞的人时，她躲在他的警车后座里。
So I pulled him over.
于是我把他拉过来。
And at the time, the kid had a few-- I don't know, the point system, where you can get your license suspended.
当时，这孩子有一些——我不知道，积分系统，在那里你可以暂停你的驾照。
He was really close to getting his license suspended, so I thought it'd be extra funny.
他的驾照差点就被吊销了，所以我觉得这会特别有趣。
And so he pulled him over.
于是他把他拉了过来。
Officer told him all these things that he did wrong.
警官告诉他所有这些事情他做错了。
And he was freaking out.
他吓坏了。
And then the officer gave him a ticket, and the ticket just said "yes," and then my sister's name on it.
然后警察给了他一张罚单，罚单上只写了“是”，然后上面写着我姐姐的名字。
Incredibly, the guy still took her to the dance.
令人难以置信的是，那家伙仍然带她去参加舞会。
It can be a ton of work doing these things.
做这些事情可能需要大量的工作。
The most elaborate one I heard about was I met this one couple, Tyler Batty and Liz Callahan.
我听说的最复杂的一个是我遇到了一对夫妇，泰勒·巴蒂和莉兹·卡拉汉。
And Tyler kidnapped Liz, this elaborate kidnapping-- duct tape, blanket over her head.
泰勒绑架了莉兹，这是一场精心策划的绑架——用胶带、毯子蒙住她的头。
She knew it was fake, by the way.
顺便说一句，她知道这是假的。
Was not scared.
并不害怕。
There was three boys, and they were talking.
三个男孩正在聊天。
They were trying to sound like they're terrorists kind of.
他们试图让自己听起来像是恐怖分子。
They were trying to talk him in some weird language.
他们试图用某种奇怪的语言与他交谈。
And we'd just kind of shout gibberish, just a mix of any foreign words we know from Japanese, Russian, Korean, kind of sticking to mostly like a Russian accent.
我们只是喊着胡言乱语，只是我们从日语、俄语、韩语中知道的任何外来词的混合体，有点像俄罗斯口音。
Like this, deeper.
就这样，更深了。
Give me a little more.
再给我一点。
Tyler Batty It's not logical.
泰勒·巴蒂 这不合逻辑。
Just shout random words.
随便喊几句就可以了。
[SPEAKING GIBBERISH] Just random syllables and funny stuff, goofy stuff, yeah.
[乱语] 只是随机的音节和有趣的东西，愚蠢的东西，是的。
But I mean, if you were wrapped up in a blanket and someone's talking like that, you're more than likely to be scared.
但我的意思是，如果你裹着毯子而有人这样说话，你很可能会感到害怕。
I was like, I know it's you guys.
我当时想，我知道是你们。
And they were like, no you don't!
他们说，不，你不！
What?
什么？
There's no way she could have known who it was.
她不可能知道那人是谁。
So I was calling all their names out.
所以我喊出了他们所有人的名字。
I was like, I know you guys are right there.
我当时想，我知道你们就在那里。
They threw her into the back of an SUV and then swerved around the roads, up into the mountains.
他们把她扔进一辆SUV的后座，然后绕过道路，驶入山里。
And then Tyler staged a rescue in a Batman costume, supposedly saving her from the fake kidnappers.
然后泰勒穿着蝙蝠侠服装进行了营救，据说是从假绑匪手中救了她。
I just start flinging open doors, kind of punching my buddies kind of hard, so it sounds realistic.
我刚开始猛地打开门，用力地打我的朋友，所以这听起来很现实。
Of course, it's not super hard punches, but just they're grunting, and uh, oh.
当然，这并不是超重的拳头，只是他们发出咕噜声，呃，哦。
They're yelling stuff.
他们在大喊大叫。
"Get him.
“抓住他。
Where is he?" So I throw open the back hatch.
他在哪儿？”所以我打开后舱门。
He had his Batman mask on, and he has this Batman voice that he likes to talk in.
他戴着蝙蝠侠面具，说话时也用蝙蝠侠的声音。
And you can't really understand him.
而你却无法真正理解他。
And I said-- man, what did I say?
我说——伙计，我说什么了？
"Don't move.
“别动。
I'm here to rescue you."
我是来救你的。”
We came to Payson High School because our show this week is all about grand gestures.
我们来到佩森高中是因为我们本周的节目都是关于宏伟的姿态。
And while you hear about schools where kids do these kinds of things for prom-- in fact, right now MTV is casting a TV show called Promposal-- here in Utah and a few other places around the country, they make the grand move every dance-- homecoming, Sweethearts dance, Sadie Hawkins, Winter Ball.
当你听说学校的孩子们在舞会上做这些事情时——事实上，现在 MTV 正在选角一个名为 Promposal 的电视节目——在犹他州和全国其他一些地方，他们在每次舞会上都会做出盛大的动作——返校节、甜心舞、萨迪·霍金斯、冬季舞会。
And when I was going around meeting kids and I'd break the news to them that kids elsewhere do not do this, they were surprised.
当我到处见孩子们时，我告诉他们其他地方的孩子不会这样做，他们感到很惊讶。
Really?
真的吗？
Ira Glass This is a junior everybody calls Juddy Bear.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 这是一位大家都叫朱迪熊 (Juddy Bear) 的大三学生。
No other states?
没有其他州吗？
Ira Glass Most places don't.
艾拉·格拉斯 大多数地方都没有。
Wow.
哇。
Well, that would be terrifying, because then she could say no to my face, rather than say no through a creative way.
嗯，那会很可怕，因为那样她就可以当着我的面说不，而不是通过创造性的方式说不。
Alyssa Sutton knew the truth about how kids elsewhere ask each other to dances, but she had a special source that gave her insight into how people live outside of Utah.
艾莉莎·萨顿（Alyssa Sutton）知道其他地方的孩子们如何邀请彼此跳舞的真相，但她有一个特殊的来源，可以让她深入了解犹他州以外的人们的生活。
I found that out from reading Harry Potter.
我是从读《哈利·波特》中发现这一点的。
When they just asked each other to the Yule Ball, I was like what the heck?
当他们邀请对方参加圣诞舞会时，我就想到底是什么？
Do people actually do that?
人们真的这样做吗？
And I was like, I thought it would just be so awkward, though, to walk up and be like, "Hey, so you want to go to the dance?" And then you wouldn't know.
我当时想，不过，我觉得如果走上前说：“嘿，你想去参加舞会吗？”会很尴尬。然后你就不会知道了。
You don't have anything to post on social media and say like, "Oh, they asked me with kittens or on a scavenger hunt."
你没有任何东西可以在社交媒体上发布并说，“哦，他们问我带着小猫或寻宝游戏。”
The kids I talked to said this idea of just walking up to somebody out of the blue, and then just asking them to a dance, it seems lame.
和我交谈过的孩子们说，突然走到某人面前，然后邀请他们跳舞，这似乎很蹩脚。
Like, where is the effort?
比如，努力在哪里？
If doing these elaborate schemes just sounds like so much work and so much fuss just to ask somebody to a dance, a bunch of kids told me, no, no, no. It's like this project.
如果做这些精心设计的计划听起来像是为了邀请某人跳舞而做的那么多工作和那么多大惊小怪，那么一群孩子告诉我，不，不，不。就像这个项目一样。
You draft your friends into it.
你把你的朋友拉进去。
The invitation is a whole activity itself.
邀请本身就是一个完整的活动。
She lives just over here, and there's a little park right next to her house.
她就住在这儿，她家旁边有一个小公园。
And that's where we're gonna bury it.
这就是我们要埋葬它的地方。
Hopefully, she doesn't see us as we drive by.
希望我们开车经过时她没有看到我们。
Case in point, one day after school, I joined Ivan Webber-- the kid who froze the laminated name tag and thought it was chill-- and his little sister Mariah, and his friends, Ezri, Max, and Kylie, to bury in the snow a little treasure chest-- actually an old wooden jewelry box Ivan got at a thrift store.
举个例子，放学后的一天，我和伊万·韦伯（Ivan Webber）——那个把层压名牌冷冻起来并认为它很冷的孩子——和他的妹妹玛丽亚（Mariah）以及他的朋友埃兹里（Ezri）、麦克斯（Max）和凯莉（Kylie）一起，在雪中埋了一个小宝箱——实际上是伊万在旧货店买的一个旧木制珠宝盒。
It has a note inside to the girl who asked Ivan to go to the Sweethearts dance, a note saying yes.
里面有一张纸条，写给那个邀请伊万去参加甜心舞会的女孩，纸条上写着“可以”。
We get to a little park about a block from his date's house.
我们到达了距离他约会对象的家大约一个街区的一个小公园。
It's a bright, clear sky day.
这是一个晴朗、晴朗的日子。
Ivan is like a skinny, teenaged Tom Hanks, wearing just a green t-shirt, even though it's freezing outside.
伊万就像一个骨瘦如柴的青少年汤姆·汉克斯，只穿着一件绿色T恤，尽管外面很冷。
OK, we may have spray paint and a shovel, but we're definitely not going to be using them in a murder vandalism type way.
好吧，我们可能有喷漆和铲子，但我们绝对不会以谋杀破坏行为的方式使用它们。
Yeah, so the spray paint is to make the X for where we're going to bury the treasure chest in the snow.
是的，所以喷漆是为了让我们将宝箱埋在雪中的地方成为X。
And the shovel is for her to dig it up.
而铲子是给她挖的。
And this is where we have our note.
这就是我们的笔记。
This is our note.
这是我们的笔记。
We're going to put it on the shovel and leave it at her doorstep.
我们要把它放在铲子上，然后放在她家门口。
It says "It would be neat if you went down the street.
上面写着：“如果你沿着这条街走下去就好了。
The X marks the spot.
X 标记了该位置。
There may be treasure, or maybe not." That's pretty good in my opinion.
可能有宝藏，也可能没有。”我认为这非常好。
We tromp around a little bit.
我们稍微走动了一下。
The snow's maybe a foot deep.
雪大概有一英尺深。
OK, where do we want to bury this?
好吧，我们想把它埋在哪里？
We do it by one of these trees?
我们是在这些树中的一棵树上做的吗？
We'll do it by that tree.
我们就在那棵树旁边做吧。
OK, what if we just do it right there?
好吧，如果我们就在那里做呢？
That looks good.
看起来不错。
What if we just do it right there?
如果我们就在那里做怎么办？
[SHOVELING] Ira Glass They put the wooden box in the hole, cover it over again with snow, pat it down.
[铲] Ira Glass 他们把木箱放进洞里，再用雪覆盖它，拍平它。
Yeah, we're going to spray paint it now.
是的，我们现在要喷漆。
What color is this?
这是什么颜色？
Ivan Webber It's the leftover stuff we had in our garage color.
伊万·韦伯：这是我们车库颜色中剩下的东西。
That pinkish, fleshy, salmon color.
那种粉红色、肉质、鲑鱼色。
Ezri points out it's less pirate and more bladder infection.
埃兹里指出，海盗较少，膀胱感染较多。
Our treasure marked and now buried in the snow, Ivan takes the shovel and the note and heads up the street one block to leave it on the girl's porch.
我们的宝藏被标记好，现在埋在雪里，伊万拿着铲子和纸条，走到一个街区外的街道上，把它放在女孩的门廊上。
Her name's Makadie.
她的名字叫马卡迪。
I pin a wireless mic to him.
我给他固定了一个无线麦克风。
OK, I'm now walking up to her doorstep.
好的，我现在正走到她家门口。
Just gonna set this here.
只需将其设置在这里即可。
OK.
好的。
We've got a shovel set down by her door.
我们在她的门边放了一把铲子。
I'm just gonna open up the glass thing, hit her doorbell, and knock.
我只是要打开玻璃，按她的门铃，然后敲门。
Now, I'm running, I'm running, I'm running, I'm running, running, running, running.
现在，我正在跑步，我正在跑步，我正在跑步，我正在跑步，跑步，跑步，跑步。
Fast forward 36 seconds.
快进 36 秒。
Ivan Webber OK, in the car.
伊万·韦伯 好的，在车里。
There's a big SUV between our car and the path that Makadie's going to walk to the park.
我们的车和马卡迪要步行去公园的小路之间有一辆大型SUV。
So if we all stay low, it's possible Makadie will not notice that we're here.
因此，如果我们都保持低调，马卡迪可能不会注意到我们在这里。
And so we all crouch down, and we take turns peeking, to see if she's coming.
于是我们都蹲下来，轮流偷看，看看她是否来了。
Oh, I see her.
哦，我看到她了。
I see her.
我看到她了。
She's right there.
她就在那里。
Yeah, OK.
是的，好的。
She's leaving her house, isn't she?
她要离开家了，不是吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, she's got the shovel.
是的，她有铲子。
Oh, oh, yeah.
哦，哦，是的。
Well, she's looking around.
嗯，她正在环顾四周。
She doesn't know which way to go.
她不知道该走哪条路。
Dang it.
该死。
I hope she guesses right.
我希望她猜对了。
She doesn't know which way to go.
她不知道该走哪条路。
Wait, we didn't include that in the note?
等等，我们没有将其包含在注释中？
Wait, nowhere in the note did we say "go to the park?"
等等，纸条上我们没有说“去公园？”
Someone send her a text.
有人给她发短信。
Ezri, send her a text.
埃兹里，给她发短信。
Just tell her, "go south." Oh, she's figuring it out.
只要告诉她：“往南走。”哦，她正在想办法。
Makadie and her sister walk towards us and the park.
马卡迪和她的妹妹朝我们和公园走来。
They get closer and closer.
他们越来越近。
We are all as low in the car as we can be.
我们都尽可能地坐在车里。
Ira, think you have the best angle.
艾拉，我认为你有最好的角度。
Can you see?
你能看到吗？
Is she there?
她在吗？
I can't see if she's in the parking lot.
我看不到她是否在停车场。
So to see what's happening, Kylie, who's in the driver's seat, takes the little square mirror that she got at Walmart to check her eyebrows during the day, and thrusts it in the air like a periscope above the steering wheel, and then--
为了看看发生了什么，坐在驾驶座上的凯莉拿起她在沃尔玛买的一面小方形镜子，白天检查眉毛，然后把它像方向盘上方的潜望镜一样推到空中，然后——
[LAUGHTER] Ivan Webber Stay down, stay down.
[笑声] 伊万·韦伯 趴下，趴下。
She's coming for us!
她来找我们了！
Ivan Webber No, no. OK, Kylie, drive us away.
伊万·韦伯 不，不。好吧，凯莉，带我们走吧。
She's coming for us.
她来找我们了。
Ezry Get down, Ivan.
埃兹里 下来，伊万。
We pull out past a very confused looking Makadie and her sister, cruise up the street.
我们从一脸困惑的马卡迪和她姐姐身边驶过，沿着街道行驶。
Kylie repeats how sorry she is in between laughing.
凯莉在笑声中重复了她的歉意。
Ivan looks out the rear window at the park.
伊万看着后窗外的公园。
Look, look, they're finding it.
看，看，他们找到了。
I think they're finding it.
我想他们正在找到它。
Yes.
是的。
It really is.
确实如此。
I mean, in this case, the dance is not going to compare.
我的意思是，在这种情况下，舞蹈是无法比较的。
It's just so fun to get it together and then have all those embarrassing, scary, anxious moments.
聚在一起然后经历那些尴尬、可怕、焦虑的时刻真是太有趣了。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It's fun.
很有趣。
It's the best part.
这是最好的部分。
Other kids I talked to said the same thing.
我交谈过的其他孩子也说了同样的话。
In fact, the elaborateness of these stunts does not necessarily mean that the kids feel strongly about the person the stunt is for.
事实上，这些特技的复杂程度并不一定意味着孩子们对特技表演的对象有强烈的感觉。
The guy who kidnapped the girl and dressed in a Batman costume to stage a fake rescue?
那个绑架女孩并穿着蝙蝠侠服装进行假营救的人？
She and he both told me it was not romantic between them.
她和他都告诉我他们之间并不浪漫。
They don't even like each other as more than friends.
他们甚至不把对方当作朋友。
He and his buddies just thought it would be cool to stage a kidnapping.
他和他的伙伴们只是认为策划一场绑架很酷。
Well, today on our program, we have stories of grand gestures, and so many of them are like that.
嗯，今天在我们的节目中，我们有一些伟大姿态的故事，其中很多都是这样的。
They're an end in themselves.
它们本身就是目的。
Even when they seem like they're trying so hard to say they're about love, and devotion, and some beloved person.
即使他们看起来非常努力地表达自己是关于爱、奉献和某个心爱的人。
From WBEZ Chicago.
来自 WBEZ 芝加哥。
Oh wait, I do not need to say this myself.
哦等等，这个不需要我自己说。
Can you say this for me?
你能帮我说一下吗？
"From WBEZ Chicago?"
“来自芝加哥 WBEZ？”
From WBEZ Chicago.
来自 WBEZ 芝加哥。
Ira Glass It's This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯 这就是美国生活。
That was good.
那很好。
That was good.
那很好。
OK, we'll start the show right there.
好的，我们就从这里开始表演。
Act one, Dr. Strangelove.
第一幕，奇爱博士。
OK, this first story is about a guy who goes so far in his grand gestures that I need to say before we start, this story is not for kids.
好吧，第一个故事是关于一个在他的伟大姿态中走得太远的人，在我们开始之前我需要说，这个故事不适合孩子。
OK?
好的？
Here's Miki Meek.
请听米基·米克的报道。
I have a pile of newspaper articles about the story I'm going to tell you.
我有一堆关于我要告诉你的故事的报纸文章。
It's a love story from Florida in the 1940s.
这是一个发生在 20 世纪 40 年代佛罗里达州的爱情故事。
The papers went nuts for this story.
报纸为这个故事而疯狂。
It's about a man who loved a woman so much that he never got over her death.
这是关于一个男人非常爱一个女人，以至于他永远无法从她的死中恢复过来。
The Miami Herald at the time ran their love story across the front page.
当时的《迈阿密先驱报》在头版刊登了他们的爱情故事。
The man's name is Carl von Cosel.
这个人的名字叫卡尔·冯·科塞尔。
There's a giant photo of him, where he looks charming and fragile in a white suit.
有一张他的巨幅照片，他穿着白色西装，看起来迷人而脆弱。
Right next to that is a photo of Elena Hoyos in her wedding dress and a tiara.
旁边是埃琳娜·霍约斯穿着婚纱、头戴王冠的照片。
Her hair is in perfect black ringlets.
她的头发是完美的黑色卷发。
She's beaming.
她笑容满面。
Elena died young.
埃琳娜英年早逝。
She was just 22.
她才22岁。
After her death, Von Cosel visited her grave every day and brought flowers.
她去世后，冯·科塞尔每天都去她的坟墓献花。
He built her a fancy mausoleum with a dome, surrounded by palm trees and flower pots.
他为她建造了一座带有圆顶的精美陵墓，周围环绕着棕榈树和花盆。
And then this is the thing that made it a news story.
然后这就是使它成为新闻报道的事情。
Von Cosel stole her body from her grave, and then kept her in his house for seven years.
冯·科塞尔从坟墓里偷走了她的尸体，然后把她关在家里七年。
From the time von Cosel first met Elena, he launched into a series of grand gestures, each bigger than the previous, until he went too far.
从冯·科塞尔第一次见到埃琳娜开始，他就做出了一系列宏大的举动，一个比一个大，直到走得太远。
They first met at the hospital in Key West.
他们第一次见面是在基韦斯特的医院。
Von Cosel was an x-ray technician, and Elena was 20 years old and sick with tuberculosis.
冯·科塞尔 (Von Cosel) 是一名 X 射线技师，埃琳娜 (Elena) 20 岁，患有肺结核。
Back in the '30s, TB killed a lot of people.
早在20世纪30年代，结核病就夺去了很多人的生命。
There was no cure.
没有治愈方法。
I talked to a guy named Ben Harrison.
我和一个名叫本·哈里森的人谈过。
He wrote a book about the two of them.
他写了一本关于他们两个的书。
He lives in Key West and got curious about the case when he moved there.
他住在基韦斯特，搬到那里后对这个案子感到好奇。
He says that von Cosel fell in love with Elena right away.
他说冯·科塞尔立刻就爱上了埃琳娜。
She apparently was strikingly beautiful.
她显然美得惊人。
He took a blood sample from her finger.
他从她的手指上采集了血样。
Normally, he would take it from a patient's ear, but hers was far too lovely to mar.
通常，他会从病人的耳朵里取出它，但她的耳朵太可爱了，无法损坏。
Is that what he said?
他是这么说的吗？
Ben Harrison Yes these are in his journals, that he didn't want to in any way disfigure her beauty.
本·哈里森：是的，这些都在他的日记中，他不想以任何方式破坏她的美丽。
This was the kind of guy von Cosel was.
冯·科塞尔就是这样的人。
He wrote a memoir, where he said things like he didn't want to disfigure Elena's beauty, and that her voice sounded like a mockingbird's song in spring.
他写了一本回忆录，其中他说他不想毁掉埃琳娜的美丽，而且她的声音听起来像春天里反舌鸟的歌声。
He considered himself a scientist/inventor and claimed to have multiple university degrees in subjects like chemistry, philosophy, and physics, although Ben says he never could verify any of that.
他认为自己是一名科学家/发明家，并声称拥有化学、哲学和物理学等多个大学学位，尽管本说他永远无法证实这一点。
He told me von Cosel's first grand gesture is telling Elena, sure, science hasn't developed a cure for TB, but--
他告诉我，冯·科塞尔的第一个伟大举动就是告诉埃琳娜，当然，科学还没有开发出治疗结核病的方法，但是——
Not to worry.
不用担心。
He has revolutionary new cures, and he will cure her.
他有革命性的新疗法，他会治愈她。
And what were they?
它们是什么？
I mean, how was he going to cure her?
我的意思是，他要怎么治好她呢？
Well, he at first started radiation treatments there at the hospital.
嗯，他首先在医院开始放射治疗。
Then, as her illness progressed, he came by and started treating her in her home.
然后，随着她的病情恶化，他过来开始在她家里治疗她。
He made this Frankenstein-ish electrical contraption.
他制造了这个弗兰肯斯坦式的电子装置。
What did it look like?
它看起来像什么？
Ben Harrison It looked like a big globe, and it had sparks inside.
本·哈里森 它看起来像一个大地球仪，里面有火花。
And he put electrodes on her chest, and they would shock her.
他把电极放在她的胸部，电极就会电击她。
He claimed that this put thousands of neutrons in the air, billions of neutrons in the air.
他声称这会在空气中释放出数千个中子，数十亿个中子。
And these were going to help cure her.
这些将有助于治愈她。
It was pure nonsense.
这纯粹是无稽之谈。
It was just not going to work.
这是行不通的。
I mean, there was just nobody else who offered any hope whatsoever.
我的意思是，没有其他人提供任何希望。
So this was her only chance, because he was the only one offering a silver bullet.
所以这是她唯一的机会，因为他是唯一能提供灵丹妙药的人。
Von Cosel was full of confidence about his own abilities.
冯·科塞尔对自己的能力充满信心。
For example, he was trying to fix up a broken airplane he'd parked behind the hospital.
例如，他试图修理停在医院后面的一架损坏的飞机。
It didn't have wings.
它没有翅膀。
He lived inside it.
他住在里面。
He was a German immigrant in his 50s, with a trim beard and wire-rim spectacles, walking around town, wearing all white, and carrying a cane.
他是一名 50 多岁的德国移民，留着整齐的胡须，戴着金属框眼镜，穿着一身白衣，拄着拐杖在城里走来走去。
So far, their story has the makings of a great tragic love story.
到目前为止，他们的故事已经具备了一个伟大的悲剧爱情故事的要素。
He loved her on sight.
他一看到她就爱上了她。
She was sick with an incurable disease that he'd do anything to cure.
她患有一种不治之症，而他会尽一切努力来治愈她。
But there's one detail most of the newspapers left out.
但大多数报纸都遗漏了一个细节。
She never loved him.
她从来没有爱过他。
Elena was actually married to another guy.
埃琳娜实际上已经嫁给了另一个男人。
But after she got sick, he left her.
但在她生病之后，他就离开了她。
So she moved back in with her family.
于是她搬回去和家人一起住。
They didn't have a lot of money.
他们没有很多钱。
Von Cosel pursued Elena with the same arrogance and optimism he did everything else, giving her gifts, jewelry, a catalog where he told her to pick out whatever she wanted.
冯·科塞尔以他在其他事情上同样的傲慢和乐观态度来追求埃琳娜，给她礼物、珠宝、一本目录，让她挑选她想要的任何东西。
But Elena's sister, Nana Medina, says it wasn't mutual.
但埃琳娜的妹妹娜娜·梅迪纳表示，这不是相互的。
She gave a long interview to the Miami Herald, where she said, quote, "She never loved him.
她接受了《迈阿密先驱报》的长篇采访，她说：“她从来没有爱过他。
She was only nice to him because my mother told her she should be kind to those who were kind to her.
她对他很好只是因为我母亲告诉她应该善待那些善待她的人。
She looked upon von Cosel as a grandfather.
她视冯·科塞尔为祖父。
And when he proposed marriage, she always told him 'You are too old.
当他求婚时，她总是告诉他‘你太老了。
Why, you are old enough to be my grandfather.
哎呀，你的年纪已经可以当我祖父了。
What's more, I do not love you.' He became so persistent that we asked him to stay away from the house."
更重要的是，我不爱你。他变得如此固执，我们要求他远离房子。”
Elena died about a year and a half after she met von Cosel.
埃琳娜在遇见冯·科塞尔大约一年半后去世。
When he heard the news, he rushed across town to be by her side.
当他听到这个消息时，他飞奔穿过城镇来到她身边。
Here's how he wrote about it in his memoir.
以下是他在回忆录中对此的描述。
I went down to my knees before the bed.
我跪在床前。
Elena's jaw had dropped, but her eyes were bright and clear.
艾琳娜的下巴垂了下来，但她的眼睛明亮而清澈。
They had a faraway look.
他们神情遥远。
And as I gazed into those beloved eyes, they seemed to become deeper and deeper, like wells, which, with magnetic power, drew me in.
当我凝视那双深爱的眼睛时，它们似乎变得越来越深，像井一样，带着磁力，把我吸引了进去。
I could not tear my eyes away from her.
我无法将目光从她身上移开。
I could look forever.
我可以永远看着。
My poor, darling Elena.
我可怜的、亲爱的埃琳娜。
So many of Von Cosel's choices during this period of time illustrate just how thin the line is between romantic and creepy.
冯·科塞尔在这段时间做出的许多选择说明了浪漫与令人毛骨悚然之间的界限是多么微妙。
Gestures that seem romantic when someone loves you immediately flip to disturbing when they don't.
当有人爱你时，看似浪漫的举动一旦不爱你，就会变得令人不安。
Von Cosel paid for Elena's burial and for a headstone, which did not include her married name on it.
冯·科塞尔支付了埃琳娜的葬礼费用和墓碑费用，但墓碑上没有她已婚的名字。
But it did have his name inscribed on the lower half.
但它的下半部分确实刻有他的名字。
Again, here's Ben.
再说一次，这是本。
Because for one, her married name is Mesa, and he wasn't about to put her married name on a headstone that he had bought.
因为首先，她的婚后名字是梅萨，而他不打算将她的婚后名字写在他买的墓碑上。
On his daily visit to Elena's grave, von Cosel starts worrying about rainwater seeping into her casket, and convinces the family to pull it from the ground.
冯·科塞尔每天都会去埃琳娜的坟墓，他开始担心雨水会渗入她的棺材，并说服家人将其从地里拉出来。
He begins building a mausoleum.
他开始建造一座陵墓。
Von Cosel talks to the funeral director, or the night watchman, or whoever, that he needs to come in and rebed her body.
冯·科塞尔与殡葬承办人、守夜人或其他任何人交谈，表示他需要进来给她的尸体铺上床单。
What does that mean?
这意味着什么？
Ben Harrison She's been dead for long enough so that she's decomposing.
本·哈里森：她已经死了太久了，已经腐烂了。
And he is very upset, because he claimed the mortician didn't follow his instructions as far as embalming goes.
他非常沮丧，因为他声称殡葬师没有遵循他的指示进行防腐处理。
And so he puts new cloth on it, and cleans up the casket, and he takes off the dress she was buried in.
于是他在上面盖上了新布，清理了棺材，然后脱下了她下葬时穿的衣服。
Man.
伙计。
Ben Harrison Because it's rotted, and replaces it with cloth, and I think he put some new felt underneath her.
本·哈里森：因为它已经腐烂了，所以用布代替了它，我想他在她下面放了一些新毛毡。
He loved her that much.
他是那么爱她。
Yeah.
是的。
And he was becoming more and more delusional.
而且他变得越来越妄想。
Elena, of course, didn't ask for any of this.
当然，埃琳娜并没有要求这些。
She didn't love him.
她不爱他。
She's paradoxically at the center of this story and utterly left out.
矛盾的是，她处于这个故事的中心，却被完全排除在外。
Still, von Cosel kept going.
尽管如此，冯·科塞尔仍然继续前进。
He put Elena in a double casket.
他把埃琳娜放进双层棺材里。
That's one casket inside of another.
这是一个棺材放在另一个棺材里面。
He said he wanted to protect her.
他说他想保护她。
I really don't think he accepted the fact that she was dead.
我真的不认为他接受了她死了的事实。
I think he still felt she was alive, because I think he had valves on this thing.
我认为他仍然觉得她还活着，因为我认为他在这件事上有阀门。
For what?
为了什么？
Ben Harrison So he could speak with her directly into the casket.
本·哈里森：这样他就可以在棺材里直接和她说话了。
He wrote in his memoir that, to him, these weren't one way conversations.
他在回忆录中写道，对他来说，这些不是单向对话。
He would sit there in the mausoleum, and talk to her, and she spoke back to him, and sang.
他会坐在陵墓里，和她说话，她也对他说话，唱歌。
Ever since the moon began to wane, Elena had begun to sing in her casket with a very soft, clear voice, which became just a little stronger from night to night.
自从月圆开始，埃琳娜就开始在棺材里唱歌，声音非常轻柔、清晰，而且每晚都变得更强一些。
It was always the same old Spanish song about a lover who opens the grave of his dead bride.
这始终是一首古老的西班牙歌曲，讲述的是一位情人打开死去新娘的坟墓的故事。
I could distinctly hear and understand every word.
我可以清楚地听到并理解每一个字。
The song is a Cuban bolero called "Black Wedding." Ben found out it was one of Elena's favorites after talking to her friends.
这首歌是古巴波莱罗舞曲，名为“黑色婚礼”。本在与埃琳娜的朋友交谈后发现这是埃琳娜最喜欢的作品之一。
Presumably, von Cosel knew this too.
想必冯·科塞尔也知道这一点。
I asked Ben to translate some of the lyrics for me.
我请本帮我翻译一些歌词。
A young man's lover died before their wedding.
一个年轻人的情人在他们结婚前去世了。
Without her love, he simply could not reason.
没有她的爱，他根本无法推理。
At night, he would visit the graveyard and dream about the days she was alive.
晚上，他会去墓地，梦见她活着的日子。
His tears would fall upon her tombstone, the tombstone of the girl to be his bride.
他的眼泪会落在她的墓碑上，那个将成为他的新娘的女孩的墓碑。
On a night when thunder roared and lightning flashed, he broke apart the tombstone of her grave.
一个电闪雷鸣的夜晚，他拆开了她坟墓的墓碑。
And with his hands, he dug into the earth, and in his arms, he carried her away.
他双手一挖，将她抱在怀里。
By a flickering funeral candlelight, on his bed that flowers covered, he gently laid the body of his sweetheart, and said his wedding vows to his dead lover.
摇曳的葬礼烛光下，他在鲜花铺满的床上，轻轻地安放着心上人的遗体，向死去的爱人说出了结婚誓言。
The song was written to be tongue in cheek, ironic and inappropriate, but von Cosel took it literally, as inspiration for everything he's about to do next.
这首歌本来是半开玩笑的、讽刺的、不恰当的，但冯·科塞尔从字面上理解了它，作为他下一步要做的一切的灵感。
According to von Cosel, this is her plea for him to please take her home with him, the same way the distraught lover does in the song.
根据冯·科塞尔的说法，这是她恳求他带她回家，就像歌曲中心烦意乱的情人所做的那样。
Von Cosel wrote that he waited for a new moon, got a wagon, and stole the casket.
冯·科塞尔写道，他等待新月，找来一辆马车，然后偷走了棺材。
He brought Elena home, and tried to repair her decomposed body.
他把艾琳娜带回家，并试图修复她腐烂的身体。
Her face was in such poor shape that he had to do something, and so he put on this gauze wax concoction, and fastened it to what was left of her face.
她的脸色太差了，他必须做点什么，所以他把这种纱布蜡混合物涂在她脸上剩下的地方。
He did this to the rest of her body too, inserted glass eyes and painted on eyebrows.
他对她身体的其他部分也做了同样的事情，插入玻璃眼睛并画上眉毛。
Von Cosel hadn't been deterred by what Elena wanted back when she was alive.
冯·科塞尔并没有被埃琳娜在世时想要的东西吓倒。
Now that he had her dead body in his home, he could play house, dress her up, have sex with her.
现在他把她的尸体放在家里了，他可以玩过家家，给她打扮，和她做爱。
And he did all of those things.
他做了所有这些事情。
He wrote in his memoir that he made Elena breakfast, eggs and a cup of Lipton tea.
他在回忆录中写道，他为埃琳娜做了早餐、鸡蛋和一杯立顿茶。
He filled the vases next to her bed with flowers and sometimes just talked to her about the weather.
他在她床边的花瓶里装满了鲜花，有时只是和她谈论天气。
She was kind of his living doll, there in their little household.
她就像他的活生生的玩偶，就在他们的小家里。
And they celebrated Christmas together, and he put a Christmas tree there, and put 13 candles and said he played his organ to her until the candles burned down.
他们一起庆祝圣诞节，他在那里放了一棵圣诞树，放了13根蜡烛，并说他为她演奏管风琴，直到蜡烛燃尽。
This went on for seven years.
这种情况持续了七年。
He also conducted experiments to try to bring Elena back from the dead.
他还进行了一些实验，试图让埃琳娜起死回生。
In his memoir, he wrote that he gave her radiation treatments, and submerged her in a tank filled with quote, plasma fluid.
在他的回忆录中，他写道，他对她进行了放射治疗，并将她浸入充满血浆的水箱中。
Eventually, Elena's sister, Nana Medina, started to suspect that something was up.
最终，埃琳娜的妹妹娜娜·梅迪纳开始怀疑出了什么问题。
There were rumors.
有谣言。
And she asked von Cosel to open Elena's mausoleum for her, but he refused.
而她请求冯·科塞尔为她打开埃琳娜的陵墓，但他拒绝了。
So one day, Nana showed up at his house.
于是有一天，娜娜出现在他家。
Well, she walks in and sees this effigy, this Elena, in a sort of wedding, gauze wedding thing lying on the bed.
好吧，她走进去，看到这个肖像，这个埃琳娜，穿着一种婚礼，纱布婚礼的东西躺在床上。
I mean, as she describes it, it was the most horrific thing she'd ever seen in her life.
我的意思是，正如她所描述的，这是她一生中见过的最可怕的事情。
But as upset as she was, she said, if you will take the body back and put it in there, we'll just let this go.
但尽管她很沮丧，她说，如果你愿意把尸体带回去并放在那里，我们就放手吧。
Von Cosel didn't return the body, so she went to the Key West police.
冯·科塞尔没有归还尸体，所以她去了基韦斯特警方。
They arrived at his house in a motorcade, and von Cosel confessed immediately.
他们乘坐车队到达了他的家，冯·科塞尔立即承认了这一点。
And that's when the gifts started arriving at the jailhouse.
就在那时，礼物开始到达监狱。
People brought him fruit, cookies, and hot tea.
人们给他带来了水果、饼干和热茶。
They serenaded him at night.
他们晚上给他唱小夜曲。
A group of women from Tampa brought him money.
一群来自坦帕的妇女给他带来了钱。
Locals posted his bond.
当地人交出了他的保释金。
An attorney took on his case pro bono.
一名律师无偿代理了他的案件。
People were captivated by this story.
人们被这个故事所吸引。
A newspaper quoted von Cosel saying, "I did not want one so beautiful to go to dust." A radio station in Havana ran a soap opera about Elena and von Cosel's great romance.
一家报纸援引冯·科塞尔的话说：“我不希望如此美丽的事物化为尘埃。”哈瓦那的一家广播电台播放了一部关于埃琳娜和冯·科塞尔伟大爱情的肥皂剧。
He was in love with her?
他爱上了她？
OK, he was in love with her and he wanted to make her better.
好吧，他爱她，他想让她变得更好。
This is Ida Roberts.
这是艾达·罗伯茨。
Her mom was good friends with Elena, lived down the street from her.
她的妈妈是埃琳娜的好朋友，就住在她的街上。
I talked to her for a while about this question.
关于这个问题我和她聊了一会儿。
How could people see this as a romantic story?
人们怎么会认为这是一个浪漫的故事呢？
Well, for starters, Ida's mom didn't know at the time that von Cosel was having sex with Elena's corpse.
好吧，首先，艾达的妈妈当时并不知道冯·科塞尔正在与埃琳娜的尸体发生性关系。
There were rumors, but the truth didn't come out for decades, when a doctor from her autopsy wrote about it in a medical journal.
有谣言，但几十年来真相一直没有水落石出，当时一位医生在医学杂志上写下了她的尸检结果。
But still, that doesn't change the story so much for Ida.
但对于艾达来说，这并没有太大改变故事。
My mother knew Maria Elena.
我母亲认识玛丽亚·埃琳娜。
And because she accepted him, my mother had no problem was with what he did.
因为她接受了他，所以我母亲对他所做的事情没有任何问题。
I mean, was your mom upset that he had had the body for so long?
我是说，你妈妈对他拥有这具尸体这么久感到不安吗？
She was not upset.
她并没有心烦意乱。
Miki Meek But isn't there something also later?
Miki Meek 但是之后不是还有一些事情吗？
The autopsy report came out he was having sexual relations with her, or attempting to?
尸检报告显示他正在与她发生性关系，或者试图发生性关系？
Well, I guess he was in love with her, and he made love to her.
好吧，我猜他爱上了她，并且和她做爱了。
And he didn't care whether she was dead or not.
而且他根本不在乎她死没死。
In fact, he never-- he never wanted to think that she was dead.
事实上，他从来——他从来不想认为她已经死了。
He wanted to think that she was coming back.
他希望她能回来。
She was asleep.
她睡着了。
I think, Ida, you are a very hard person to shock.
我认为，艾达，你是一个很难震惊的人。
Yeah, mhm.
是的，嗯。
Just remember, this was a very small town and very close.
请记住，这是一个非常小的城镇，而且非常近。
Everybody was very close.
每个人都非常亲密。
And I believe that's the way, laid back in Key West like we are, we just accept things.
我相信这就是我们的方式，就像我们在基韦斯特一样悠闲，我们只是接受事物。
I heard this from a lot of people I interviewed down there-- live and let live.
我从那里采访的很多人那里听到了这样的话——自己活，也让别人活。
They take pride in their history of being home to people who didn't fit in-- bootleggers, drug smugglers, people who dropped off the grid.
他们为自己的历史感到自豪，因为他们曾经是那些不融入社会的人的家园——走私者、毒品走私者、脱离社会的人。
But Ida's pretty straight.
但艾达很直。
We talked in her office at a Catholic school in Key West.
我们在基韦斯特一所天主教学校她的办公室里进行了交谈。
She's the director of Religious Education for kids there and looks like somebody's nice grandma.
她是那里儿童宗教教育的主任，看起来就像某人的好奶奶。
When you look at this story now, the story of von Cosel, I mean, do you view it as romantic or completely nuts?
当你现在看这个故事时，冯·科塞尔的故事，我的意思是，你认为它是浪漫的还是完全疯狂的？
I think it's a nice love story.
我认为这是一个美好的爱情故事。
I do.
我愿意。
I wouldn't have any bad thing to say about him.
我不会对他说任何坏话。
[CHUCKLING]
[咯咯笑]
Why is that?
这是为什么呢？
Explain that.
解释一下。
Ida Roberts Because he was in love with her.
艾达·罗伯茨因为他爱她。
I mean, he was eccentric of course, you know crazy thoughts he had, but I mean, he wasn't there to abuse her or anything.
我的意思是，他当然很古怪，你知道他有疯狂的想法，但我的意思是，他不是来虐待她或其他什么的。
You know, I mean--
你知道，我的意思是——
Wait, but he didn't chop her up and throw her in the ocean or anything, like a lot of people have done, you know?
等等，但他并没有像很多人那样把她砍成碎片，扔进海里或者其他什么东西，你知道吗？
A lot of spouses.
很多配偶。
But he took good care of her.
但他把她照顾得很好。
And he wanted-- he just didn't want to let go.
他想要——他只是不想放手。
I mean, definitely selfish, though.
我的意思是，尽管如此，绝对是自私的。
In a lot of ways, I mean, he's doing what he wants to do, and not necessarily what the family would have wanted her to do-- wanted him to do, or even Elena.
我的意思是，在很多方面，他正在做他想做的事，而不一定是家人希望她做的事——希望他做的事，甚至是埃琳娜做的事。
Love is like that.
爱情就是这样。
Love is kind of selfish, isn't it?
爱情本来就是自私的，不是吗？
When you find somebody you want, you want them regardless.
当你找到你想要的人时，你无论如何都会想要他们。
Love is an excuse for all sorts of behavior.
爱是各种行为的借口。
I can understand why so many people wanted to believe this version of the story.
我能理解为什么这么多人愿意相信这个版本的故事。
It's much easier and nicer to see this as a grand gesture of a lovesick man than the abuse of a delusional pervert.
把这看作是一个相思病男子的伟大举动，比把这是一个妄想性变态的虐待更容易、更好。
In the end, the charges against von Cosel were dropped.
最终，对冯·科塞尔的指控被撤销。
The court looked into whether he was insane and decided no. They called his obsession with Elena a quirk.
法庭调查了他是否精神错乱，最终判定他没有精神错乱。他们称他对埃琳娜的痴迷是一种怪癖。
Even when the public was presented with physical proof, Elena's body, they chose to see the story this way.
即使当公众看到埃琳娜的尸体这一实物证据时，他们也选择以这种方式看待这个故事。
After police took Elena's body from von Cosel, the funeral home, incredibly, put her out on display, probably without the family's permission.
警方从冯·科塞尔手中拿走埃琳娜的尸体后，令人难以置信的是，殡仪馆竟然将她公开展出，很可能没有得到家人的许可。
It was a big crowd that day, I think, and we just followed the crowd.
我想那天人很多，我们就跟着人群走。
That's Don Carbonell.
那是唐·卡博内尔。
He was a kid at the time and lived across the street from the funeral home.
当时他还是个孩子，住在殡仪馆的街对面。
There's actually a photo of Don in the newspaper spread, standing in a big crowd right behind Elena's body.
报纸上实际上有一张唐的照片，他站在一大群人中，就在埃琳娜的尸体后面。
I might have even been playing in the yard with Frank, whose father owned the funeral home at the time.
我什至可能正在院子里和弗兰克一起玩耍，他的父亲当时拥有殡仪馆。
And they opened the embalming room doors.
他们打开了防腐室的门。
And how close did you get?
你有多接近？
Don Carbonell I was probably six to ten feet away from the table that they had her laid up on.
唐·卡博内尔（Don Carbonell），我距离他们放置她的桌子大概有六到十英尺远。
And what do you remember?
你还记得什么？
Do you remember what she looked like?
你还记得她长什么样子吗？
Yeah, vaguely, I remember.
是的，我隐约记得。
She had glassy eyes, and she just-- she didn't look real.
她有一双呆滞的眼睛，而且她看起来不太真实。
She didn't look real.
她看上去并不真实。
Looked like maybe somebody made up a body.
看起来也许有人组成了一个身体。
That's the way she had impressed me.
这就是她给我留下的印象。
You'd say a big, overgrown doll.
你会说是一个又大又大的娃娃。
The newspaper articles quoted people who said she looked beautiful.
报纸上的文章引用了一些人的话说她看起来很漂亮。
"Von Cosel did such a good job preserving her." One woman wrote a letter saying, "they should enclose Elena in a glass case and turn her into a Sleeping Beauty attraction." Which is basically what's happened to Elena and her story today.
“冯·科塞尔在保护她方面做得非常好。”一位女士写了一封信说：“他们应该把埃琳娜关在一个玻璃柜里，把她变成睡美人的景点。”这基本上就是今天埃琳娜和她的故事所发生的事情。
All right, our story takes place here in 1930, and involves this young girl right here.
好吧，我们的故事发生在1930年，并且涉及这里的这个年轻女孩。
This is from a trolley tour of Key West for tourists these days.
这是最近游客们在基韦斯特进行的电车之旅。
All the disturbing facts of the story are now out.
这个故事中所有令人不安的事实现在都已经真相大白了。
And our ideas about sex and men and women are dramatically different.
我们对性、男人和女人的看法截然不同。
But listen to this.
但听听这个。
They still tell this story as a romance, for the same reason people did in the '40s.
他们仍然把这个故事当作浪漫故事来讲述，原因与 40 年代的人们一样。
They like it.
他们喜欢它。
Well, I thought we'd discuss a love story, an undying love story, a story that involves grave robbing and a corpse bride.
好吧，我想我们应该讨论一个爱情故事，一个不朽的爱情故事，一个涉及盗墓和僵尸新娘的故事。
Who's interested?
谁有兴趣？
All right, good.
好吧，很好。
And here's another.
这是另一个。
Key West Tour Guide By show of hands, how many of you believe in true love?
基韦斯特旅游指南 举手示意，你们中有多少人相信真爱？
Just trying to set up this next tale-- this is a tale of true love, Key Weird style with a twist.
只是试图建立下一个故事——这是一个关于真爱的故事，带有扭曲的关键怪异风格。
It starts with a gentleman by the name of Count Karl von Cosel.
故事始于一位名叫卡尔·冯·科塞尔伯爵的绅士。
Enter into the picture a beautiful Cuban girl.
进入画面的是一个美丽的古巴女孩。
Her name is Elena.
她的名字叫埃琳娜。
Miki Meek, Payson High School class of none of your business, is one of the producers of our program.
米基·米克（Miki Meek）是佩森高中的班级，不关你的事，是我们节目的制作人之一。
John Ellison Conlee read the excerpts of von Cosel's memoir.
约翰·埃里森·康利阅读了冯·科塞尔回忆录的摘录。
Ben Harrison's book about von Cosel is called Undying Love.
本·哈里森（Ben Harrison）关于冯·科塞尔（von Cosel）的书名为《不朽的爱》（Undying Love）。
Coming up, what happens when sky writers make mistakes, and a few grand gestures that actually go right.
接下来，当天空作家犯错误时会发生什么，以及一些实际上正确的伟大姿态。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program we choose a theme, bringing you a variety of different stories on that theme.
我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同故事。
Today's show, as we watch Valentine's Day recede into the rearview mirror of our lives, our theme is grand gestures, stories of people who go all out, and what it means when they do.
今天的节目，当我们看着情人节逐渐消失在我们生活的后视镜中时，我们的主题是宏伟的姿态、全力以赴的人们的故事，以及他们这样做的意义。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act 2, Say It Out Cloud.
第二幕，说出来云。
One of our producers, David Kestenbaum, spoke with some people who are in the grand gesture business.
我们的制作人之一大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 (David Kestenbaum) 与一些从事大手势行业的人士进行了交谈。
I'm talking about sky writers.
我说的是天空作家。
Every sky writer I talked to you had a story of some odd message they'd put in the sky.
我采访过的每一位天空作家都有一个关于他们在天空中放置一些奇怪信息的故事。
Someone paid for a cartoon cloud to be drawn in the sky, with little lines for rain.
有人花钱在天空中画了一朵卡通云，上面画了几条代表下雨的线条。
And then there was the message that was just numbers, 3.1415 etc. Get it?
然后出现的消息只是数字，3.1415 等。明白了吗？
Pi in the sky.
圆周率在天上。
The comedian Kurt Braunohler recently hired a pilot to put up the skywriting message over Los Angeles that he'd always wanted to see.
喜剧演员库尔特·布劳诺勒 (Kurt Braunohler) 最近聘请了一名飞行员，在洛杉矶上空张贴他一直想看到的天空书写信息。
"How do I land?"
“我怎样着陆？”
Even a simple message can cost a couple of thousand dollars.
即使是一条简单的消息也可能花费数千美元。
And it doesn't last very long.
而且它不会持续很长时间。
Basically, as soon as it's written, it starts to fall apart.
基本上，一旦写出来，它就开始崩溃。
So a lot of the time, it's people with a pretty big emotion who want to write something in the sky.
所以很多时候，都是怀有很大情感的人想要在天空写下一些东西。
It was the woman that contacted me, and she couldn't-- it was a very secret love affair.
是那个女人联系了我，但她不能——这是一段非常秘密的恋情。
This is Suzanne Asbury-Oliver.
我是苏珊娜·阿斯伯里·奥利弗。
She's a longtime sky writer.
她是一位长期的天空作家。
And it couldn't be known that this relationship was happening.
并且无法知道这种关系正在发生。
Wow.
哇。
Suzanne Asbury-oliver But she really wanted to express her commitment, almost in a public way that she couldn't in any other way.
苏珊娜·阿斯伯里-奥利弗 但她真的很想表达她的承诺，几乎以公开的方式，但她不能以任何其他方式。
You know, shout out to the world "I love you and I'm with you forever." But nobody else can know.
你知道，向世界大声喊出“我爱你，我永远和你在一起”。但其他人无法知道。
The message?
消息？
A heart.
一颗心。
No name, just initials, in the sky over a lake.
湖上空没有名字，只有缩写。
It was just kind of sad and romantic all at the same time.
这既悲伤又浪漫。
Were they having an affair?
他们有外遇吗？
Suzanne Asbury-oliver Well, that was my guess.
苏珊娜·阿斯伯里-奥利弗 嗯，这是我的猜测。
Yeah, it was nice, you know?
是的，这很好，你知道吗？
Letting somebody express a huge emotion.
让某人表达巨大的情感。
In clouds of smoke.
烟雾缭绕中。
Suzanne Asbury-oliver Yeah, mile-high letters, 10,000 feet above the Earth.
苏珊娜·阿斯伯里-奥利弗 是的，一英里高的字母，距地球 10,000 英尺。
Sky writing seems to satisfy some very basic urge.
天空写作似乎满足了一些非常基本的冲动。
Essentially, as soon as we figured out how to fly, someone was like, "You know what?
本质上，一旦我们弄清楚如何飞行，就会有人说：“你知道吗？
I'm gonna write giant letters in the sky." The first pilot did it in the 1920s, maybe even earlier.
我要在天空写下巨大的字母。”第一个飞行员在 20 年代甚至更早的时候就做到了这一点。
And the vast majority of personal messages seem to be essentially the same thing over and over.
绝大多数个人信息似乎一遍又一遍本质上都是同一件事。
"Marry me," or "I love you," or a heart, or "I heart you." Here in New York, the usual spot is over Central Park.
“嫁给我”，或者“我爱你”，或者一颗心，或者“我爱你”。在纽约，通常的地点是中央公园。
And it seems to be mostly guys who want to put messages of love in the sky.
似乎大多数人都想在天空中传递爱的信息。
The male sky writers I talked to didn't have a lot of theories about why that was.
与我交谈过的男性天空作家对于其中的原因并没有太多的理论。
But Suzanne did.
但苏珊娜做到了。
Maybe men have a harder time expressing themselves?
也许男人更难表达自己？
And want to say "I really, really, really do love you.
并想说“我真的、真的、真的爱你。
I really, really do want you to marry me" in a really big way.
我真的、真的非常希望你嫁给我”。
Only a handful of people in the world do sky writing.
世界上写天空的人屈指可数。
It's this weirdly technical piece of flying.
这是一种奇怪的飞行技术。
I went to visit Jim Record he's a pilot with a company called Skytypers out on Long Island.
我去拜访了 Jim Record，他是长岛一家名为 Skytypers 的公司的飞行员。
It was snowing out, so we weren't going up.
下雪了，所以我们没有上去。
But he showed me one of the planes.
但他给我看了其中一架飞机。
How do you get in?
你怎么进去？
Climb up on the wing?
爬到机翼上？
[INAUDIBLE] yeah.
[听不清] 是的。
David Kestenbaum The plane looks like he stole it from a museum.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆 这架飞机看起来像是他从博物馆偷来的。
It's a World War II plane, built in 1940.
这是一架二战飞机，建于 1940 年。
Imagine someone wearing goggles and a long scarf flying it, trying to shoot down another pilot.
想象一下，有人戴着护目镜和长围巾驾驶它，试图击落另一名飞行员。
There's a spot on the wings where the machine guns would have been mounted.
机翼上有一个地方可以安装机枪。
He let me climb in.
他让我爬进去。
This just got super real.
这变得超级真实。
Jim Record Oh, it's real.
吉姆唱片哦，这是真的。
Yeah, this got super real in a hurry.
是的，这一切很快就变得非常真实。
Right here.
就在这里。
David Kestenbaum Can I press it?
David Kestenbaum 我可以按一下吗？
There's a very small fire extinguisher here.
这里有一个很小的灭火器。
That fire extinguisher, if you can't put it out with that thing, then you jump out of the airplane.
那个灭火器，如果你用那个东西灭火不了的话，你就从飞机上跳下去。
Jim's a former Navy pilot.
吉姆是前海军飞行员。
He once applied to be an astronaut.
他曾经申请成为一名宇航员。
Every skywriting job, he and the other pilots, they call it a mission.
他和其他飞行员将每一项空中写作工作称为一项使命。
From his perspective, the key to a successful marriage proposal is pre-mission planning.
在他看来，求婚成功的关键是任务前的计划。
Because in order for the message to look right from the ground, he has to write it backward.
因为为了让信息从地面上看起来正确，他必须倒着写。
That's how it looks to him up there.
这就是他在上面的看法。
He's looking down, and everyone else is looking up.
他低着头，其他人都抬头看。
The order of the letters is backward for him, and the letters themselves are backward.
对他来说，字母的顺序是倒退的，字母本身也是倒退的。
Jim says he tries not to think about that.
吉姆说他尽量不去想这个。
It's just too confusing.
这太令人困惑了。
So he'll break it down into a series of moves that he can just execute.
因此，他会将其分解为一系列他可以执行的动作。
M's are tough, because there's so much involved in an M.
M 很难，因为 M 涉及太多内容。
There's actually four different strokes in an M.
M 实际上有四种不同的笔画。
And then the R's aren't all that easy either, because you do an R, and then you have to come around and go here, and you've got to come up and it comes down here again.
然后 R 也不是那么容易，因为你做了 R，然后你必须绕到这里，你必须上来，它又回到这里。
"Marry me." Two M's, two R's.
“嫁给我吧。”两个M，两个R。
Jim will climb into this tiny plane with me "Marry me" or whatever mapped out on a piece of paper on a clipboard.
吉姆会和我一起爬上这架小飞机“嫁给我吧”或者剪贴板上一张纸上画出的任何内容。
When he's in the right spot, he makes sure the Arm Smoke switch has been flipped.
当他到达正确的位置时，他会确保手臂烟雾开关已打开。
Then he presses that little button under his thumb on the stick, and streaming out behind him is this giant tube of perfectly white, billowy smoke.
然后他按下操纵杆上拇指下的那个小按钮，他身后就流出了这根巨大的白色滚滚烟雾。
To make sure the letters are the right length, he counts.
为了确保字母的长度正确，他数了数。
Smoke on, thousand one, thousand two, thousand three, thousand four.
冒烟，千一，千二，千三，千四。
I start tightening the turn ups.
我开始收紧转弯。
Five, six--
五、六——
He's describing how he draws a heart here, one side at a the time.
他正在描述他如何在这里画一颗心，一次画一个侧面。
He'll start at the top, where the two halves are going to come together, turning, turning, almost in a circle, then straightening out.
他将从顶部开始，两半在那里会合在一起，旋转，旋转，几乎绕一个圈，然后伸直。
15, 16, smoke off.
15、16，戒烟。
David Kestenbaum Since his plane is, in effect, the tip of the pencil, Jim can't actually see how what he's writing looks.
David Kestenbaum 由于他的平面实际上是铅笔尖，因此吉姆实际上看不到他所写的内容。
So when he's done half the heart, he'll pull back on the stick, and shoot up higher into the sky, to the point where the airplane almost stalls.
因此，当他完成一半的心脏时，他会拉回操纵杆，然后飞向更高的天空，直到飞机几乎失速。
He says at this point, he's upside down, looking down at the message, which, remember, is backward.
他说，此时他的姿势是上下颠倒的，低头看着这条信息，记住，这条信息是倒着的。
Then he'll basically dive bomb back down and do the other half of the heart.
然后他基本上会把炸弹潜回去并做另一半心脏。
Are there are a lot of tight turns?
有很多急转弯吗？
Would I get sick?
我会生病吗？
It's all tight turns.
都是急转弯。
Yes, you would get sick.
是的，你会生病的。
It's not normal.
这不正常。
You spend a lot of time upside down and backwards.
你花了很多时间上下颠倒。
Do you ever screw up?
你有搞砸过吗？
Jim Record Oh, yes.
吉姆唱片 哦，是的。
Unfortunately, I have.
不幸的是，我有。
One time-- he knows this is silly.
有一次——他知道这很愚蠢。
One time, he made a mistake, and then went back to cross it out-- like flew across the whole message and laid down another line of smoke through what he'd written.
有一次，他犯了一个错误，然后又回去把它划掉了——就像飞过整条信息，又在他写的内容上放下了另一条烟。
Greg Stinis, another sky writer, told me he once mixed up two marriage proposals.
另一位天空电视台作家格雷格·斯蒂尼斯告诉我，他曾经混淆了两次求婚。
He can't remember the names, but it was like, he wrote "Marry me, Sue," and the woman below was named Tabitha, and vice versa.
他不记得名字了，但就像是，他写了“嫁给我，苏”，下面的女人名叫塔比莎，反之亦然。
Another time, he did this happy face over the Macy's Day parade in New York City.
还有一次，他在纽约市的梅西百货游行中做出了这个快乐的表情。
It looked great, but then the wind started to twist the face until it looked like a creepy demon.
它看起来很棒，但随后风开始扭曲它的脸，直到它看起来像一个令人毛骨悚然的恶魔。
He flew back and forth through it, to try to get it to disperse, but it hung around for a long time.
他在其中飞来飞去，试图将其驱散，但它却在其中停留了很长时间。
There are darker emotions people sometimes want to put in the sky.
人们有时想把一些更黑暗的情绪表达到天空中。
One pilot told me about a woman who thought her boyfriend was cheating on her.
一位飞行员告诉我，一位女士认为她的男朋友对她不忠。
She wanted to write "I'm watching you" above his head.
她想在他头顶上写下“我在看着你”。
And Suzanne Asbury-Oliver, whose company, by the way, is Oliver's Flying Circus, told me about this request she got just last month.
苏珊娜·阿斯伯里-奥利弗（Suzanne Asbury-Oliver），顺便说一句，她的公司是奥利弗的飞行马戏团（Oliver's Flying Circus），她告诉我她上个月刚收到的这个请求。
Yeah, I got a request, actually they wanted it over the inaugural.
是的，我收到了一个请求，实际上他们希望在就职典礼上得到它。
And it was "[BLEEP Trump."
这是“[BLEEP Trump”。
She said no. And for all the marriage proposals sky writers get, Jim says there is also this one.
她说不。吉姆说，对于天空作家收到的所有求婚，还有这个。
We've done one divorce.
我们离婚过一次。
And the divorce message was, "She got it all."
离婚的信息是，“她得到了一切。”
That seem sad to you?
你觉得这很悲伤吗？
Jim Record No no. I can't say it did, since I've been divorced before.
吉姆记录 没有没有。我不能说是这样，因为我以前离婚过。
Everybody says the happiest times of a boat owner-- the day they buy it, and the day they sell it.
每个人都说船主最幸福的时光是买船的那天和卖船的那天。
I would think maybe a marriage would be like that-- the day you get married and the day you finally are not married.
我想也许婚姻就是这样——结婚的那天和最终不结婚的那天。
Can you imagine the guy looking up and being like, I did it.
你能想象那个人抬起头说，我做到了。
It's a defiant stand.
这是一种挑衅的立场。
It's like, yes, but the last $5,000 you didn't get, because I put it into this message.
就好像，是的，但最后 5,000 美元你没有得到，因为我把它放入了这条消息中。
One emotion did seem kind of absent in all the stories I heard, for reasons that I totally get, because it's hard enough to do this in letters that aren't a mile high, which is to say "I'm sorry."
在我听到的所有故事中，确实似乎缺少一种情感，原因我完全明白，因为在不到一英里高的信件中做到这一点已经够困难的了，也就是说，说“对不起”。
Jim's boss, Larry Arken, did remember one like that.
吉姆的老板拉里·阿肯确实记得这样的一件事。
It was from years ago, but it stuck with him.
这是很多年前的事了，但他却一直铭记在心。
The message "Pooh Bear, come home." They wrote it in two or three spots around New York.
信息“维尼熊，回家吧”。他们在纽约周围的两三个地方写了这本书。
He thinks some guy's girlfriend or wife had left him.
他认为某人的女朋友或妻子离开了他。
He doesn't know how it turned out.
他不知道结果如何。
But I have a guess.
但我有一个猜测。
I think when you are to the point of writing something like that, with giant letters in the sky, you are probably past the point where giant letters in the sky can help you.
我认为，当你要写出这样的东西时，天空中的巨大字母，你可能已经超出了天空中的巨大字母可以帮助你的程度。
David Kestenbaum.
大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "SKY WRITING"]
[音乐播放-“天空书写”]
Act 3, It's Gesture Imagination.
第三幕，手势想象。
More than anybody on our staff, maybe more than anybody I've ever met, actually, one of our producers, Elna Baker, really, truly believed in the power of grand gestures.
实际上，我们的制作人之一埃尔娜·贝克比我们的员工中的任何人，也许比我见过的任何人都更相信伟大姿态的力量。
It was this kind of magical thinking that lasted well into adulthood for her, into her late 20s.
正是这种神奇的想法一直持续到她成年，一直到她二十多岁。
I believed that it was the surest way to show someone you love them or to win love.
我相信这是向某人表明你爱他们或赢得爱的最可靠的方式。
And a grand gesture could be, like, what?
一个伟大的姿态可能是，比如，什么？
A declaration of love, like a speech, but in a very public manner.
爱的宣言，就像一场演讲，但以一种非常公开的方式。
A giant cardboard sign.
一个巨大的纸板标志。
Showing someone that you especially knew them through a very special gift.
通过一份非常特别的礼物向某人表明您特别了解他们。
Elna grew up Mormon.
埃尔娜在摩门教长大。
And talking to her about how she loves grand gestures made me think of those kids from Payson High School.
和她谈论她多么喜欢大动作，让我想起了佩森高中的那些孩子。
Remember them?
还记得他们吗？
We started today's program with them.
我们和他们一起开始了今天的节目。
Lots of those kids are Mormon.
这些孩子很多都是摩门教徒。
And the way they ask each other to dances at that school happens all over Utah.
他们在那所学校邀请对方跳舞的方式在犹他州随处可见。
And it occurred to me, is there something about being young and Mormon and grand gestures that go together?
我突然想到，年轻、摩门教和宏伟的姿态是否有某种联系在一起？
And this isn't something you could prove one way or another, but just to say it, you have these kids who are forbidden to drink or have sex.
这不是你可以以某种方式证明的事情，但只是说一下，你有这些禁止喝酒或发生性行为的孩子。
Maybe that's one reason that their feelings for each other play out with these elaborate schemes, right?
也许这就是他们对彼此的感情通过这些精心设计的计划而发挥作用的原因之一，对吧？
And that made sense to Elna.
这对埃尔娜来说很有意义。
Yeah.
是的。
No, I definitely-- once I started having sex, I stopped doing grand gestures.
不，我绝对——一旦我开始做爱，我就不再做大动作了。
Because I was like, oh, turns out you can just-- [MUMBLING] You know?
因为我当时想，哦，原来你可以——[咕哝]你知道吗？
You could just have sex with someone.
你可以和某人发生性关系。
That made it weird dirtier, the way you just said that.
就像你刚才说的那样，这让事情变得更奇怪了。
OK.
好的。
Elna Baker And I grew up on grand-- like my parents, the way my parents got together was-- I grew up on stories of grand gestures.
埃尔娜·贝克（Elna Baker） 我是在伟大的故事中长大的——就像我的父母一样，我父母的聚会方式是——我是在伟大的姿态的故事中长大的。
Like what?
比如什么？
Elna Baker My dad and mom dated for about two and a half weeks.
埃尔娜·贝克（Elna Baker） 我爸爸和妈妈约会了大约两个半星期。
And my dad went to the Mormon temple, and he was just praying to see if he should date this woman.
我爸爸去了摩门教寺庙，他只是祈祷看看他是否应该和这个女人约会。
And he said that he heard the voices of his future children, like me and my brothers and sisters, and we were like, hurry, go, do it.
他说他听到了他未来孩子的声音，就像我和我的兄弟姐妹一样，我们就像，快点，去吧，去做吧。
Like, we want to be born.
就像，我们想要出生。
Really?
真的吗？
Elna Baker Yeah.
埃尔娜·贝克 是的。
And he rushed out of the temple, went and found my mom, knocked on her door, brought her outside of her dorm.
他冲出了寺庙，找到了我妈妈，敲了敲她的门，把她带出了宿舍。
And in front of the dorm, there was a rock, like a big rock.
而宿舍门前，有一块石头，就像一块大石头。
And he made her stand on top of the rock.
他让她站在岩石顶上。
And then he knelt down and said, "Will you marry me?" And she said yes.
然后他跪下来说道：“你愿意嫁给我吗？”她说是的。
They'd been dating for two and a half weeks.
他们已经约会了两个半星期。
They've known each other for four weeks.
他们已经认识四个星期了。
And my parents actually are very in love, and very happily married.
我的父母实际上非常相爱，而且婚姻也非常幸福。
And so I believed that love was like hearing a voice that basically told you this was right.
所以我相信爱就像听到一个声音基本上告诉你这是对的。
And then you would do anything for that voice.
然后你会为了那个声音做任何事。
And that's the attitude towards love Elna carried into adulthood.
这就是艾尔娜成年后所持的对待爱情的态度。
When she would talk to our friends about their romantic lives and situations, at some point, Elna would tell them, OK, here's what you have to do.
当她和我们的朋友谈论他们的浪漫生活和情况时，在某些时候，埃尔娜会告诉他们，好吧，这就是你必须做的。
You have to go big.
你必须做大。
And she'd give advice that, today, she thinks was totally wrong headed.
她提出的建议在今天看来是完全错误的。
Up until her 20s, she had no experience in love, had never had a real adult relationship, was completely naive about all of it.
20多岁之前，她没有恋爱经验，也没有谈过真正的成人恋爱，对这一切都非常天真。
But she still cheerfully jumped in with her advice.
但她仍然高兴地接受了她的建议。
She encouraged her friend Nick to move to New York City to prove his love for a woman who had broken up with him and did not want his love.
她鼓励她的朋友尼克搬到纽约市，以证明他对一个与他分手并且不想要他的爱的女人的爱。
She convinced your friend Allie to give a guy that she'd just started seeing this giant birthday crown, homemade with fur and feathers and a star with his picture that kind of jumped off the crown.
她说服你的朋友艾莉送给一个男人，她刚刚开始看到这顶巨大的生日王冠，这是用毛皮和羽毛自制的，还有一颗星星，上面有他的照片，就像从王冠上跳下来一样。
He never went out with Allie again.
他再也没有和艾莉出去过。
When Elna's friend Louise regretted breaking up with her boyfriend, Gabe, and decided she wanted Gabe back, Elna suggested a gift.
当埃尔娜的朋友路易丝后悔与男友加布分手并决定想要加布回来时，埃尔娜建议送一份礼物。
She remembered that a couple months before they had found this vintage 1970s-era McDonald's uniform in his exact size.
她记得几个月前，他们发现了这件 1970 年代麦当劳复古制服，尺寸与他一模一样。
And he'd had all these stories of working at McDonald's in high school.
他在高中时曾经历过在麦当劳工作的所有这些故事。
So Louise bought this thing for him, to give as a present on Halloween, but never gave it to him.
于是路易丝给他买了这个东西，作为万圣节的礼物，但从未送给他。
So he got it from the closet, and I was like, what you have to do is go over to his apartment and leave it at his door.
所以他从壁橱里拿出了它，我想，你要做的就是去他的公寓，把它放在他的门口。
He'll get it.
他会得到它。
He'll know that you get him, and you love him.
他会知道你得到他，并且你爱他。
Now, when you suggested this to her, what was her attitude about it?
现在，当你向她提出这个建议时，她对此持什么态度？
That's a terrible idea.
这是一个糟糕的主意。
She was very, very resistant.
她非常非常抗拒。
But then this thing happens when you're with me, apparently, where I just got her all spun up into the idea.
但显然，当你和我在一起时，这件事就会发生，我刚刚让她完全陷入了这个想法。
Totally.
完全。
It's like I put her in a box and shook the box, and then-- or when a kid is going to play pinata, and you turn them around and then push them in the direction--
就像我把她放在一个盒子里并摇动盒子，然后——或者当一个孩子要玩皮纳塔时，你把它们转过来，然后将它们推向某个方向——
Of the pinata.
皮纳塔的。
That's what you did to her.
这就是你对她做的事。
That's what I did to her, where she eventually just started getting excited about the gesture itself.
这就是我对她所做的，她最终开始对这个手势本身感到兴奋。
Which is key.
这是关键。
It became about the bold thing that they were doing, versus how Gabe would feel.
这变成了他们正在做的大胆事情，以及加布的感受。
And it worked out about as well as you would expect.
结果正如你所期望的那样。
Louise left the box with the gift for Gabe, with no note-- just left it in his building.
路易丝把装有礼物的盒子留给了加布，没有留下任何字条——只是把它留在了他的大楼里。
And so they met up and had this huge blow out fight, where she was like, how come you didn't thank me for the gift?
于是他们见面并进行了一场激烈的争吵，她说，你为什么不感谢我送的礼物？
And he was just like, you totally broke my heart.
他就像，你彻底伤了我的心。
You crushed me.
你压垮了我。
And it actually is offensive that you think that this gift could just instantly make up for all of that.
你认为这份礼物可以立即弥补这一切，这实际上是一种冒犯。
Were you surprised?
你感到惊讶吗？
Elna Baker Shocked.
艾尔娜·贝克震惊了。
I was waiting like a puppy at the door for her to come in and tell me, thank me.
我像一只小狗一样在门口等着她进来告诉我，谢谢我。
Yeah.
是的。
Elna Baker And she walked in, and she was crying, and totally devastated, heartbroken.
埃尔娜·贝克（Elna Baker） 她走进来，哭着，完全崩溃了，心碎了。
Elna didn't just organize these kinds of schemes for other people.
艾尔娜不只是为其他人组织这些计划。
She did them herself.
她自己做的。
Like, one time, she was taking tickets as a page for The Letterman Show and met this random guy.
就像有一次，她作为《莱特曼秀》的版面拿票，遇到了一个随机的人。
He was in line to see the show, and we talked very briefly.
他正在排队观看演出，我们聊得很简短。
And I thought I heard a voice that said, "This is who you are meant to be with."
我想我听到一个声音说：“这就是你注定要在一起的人。”
She knew, of course, from her parents to trust that voice.
当然，她从父母那里知道要相信这个声音。
So she gave this guy her number and dated him for a month and a half, and it went nowhere.
于是她给了这个男人自己的电话号码，并和他约会了一个半月，但毫无进展。
Then, two years later, still hung up on this guy, who'd moved to Zambia, she wrote him an email.
两年后，她仍然挂念着这个搬到赞比亚的家伙，给他写了一封电子邮件。
Which I have here.
我这里有。
Do you want me to read the email I wrote?
你想让我读一下我写的电子邮件吗？
Totally.
完全。
Elna Baker All right.
埃尔娜·贝克 好吧。
"I don't know if you're still in Zambia, but my girlfriends and I are going to South Africa in the spring to visit some family friends of mine.
“我不知道你是否还在赞比亚，但我和我的女朋友将于春天前往南非看望我的一些家人朋友。
I'm not sure how far Zambia is from South Africa, but if it's close, I'd love to come up and say hi.
我不确定赞比亚离南非有多远，但如果很近，我很乐意上前打个招呼。
It'd be fun to see you.
见到你会很有趣。
It's been a while.
已经有一段时间了。
I hope you're well.
我希望你一切都好。
X, Elna."
X，艾尔娜。”
But OK, I did not have a trip to Africa planned.
但是好吧，我没有计划去非洲旅行。
Do you have some sort of friends in South Africa?
你在南非有朋友吗？
No, made that up entirely.
不，这完全是编出来的。
Ira Glass And then "I don't know if Zambia is near South Africa." Did you actually look on a map?
Ira Glass 然后“我不知道赞比亚是否靠近南非。”你真的看过地图吗？
She roped two girlfriends into this trip, spent all her money, thousands of dollars on plane tickets.
她拉了两个女朋友来这次旅行，花光了所有的钱，几千美元买了机票。
They stayed at this guy's little studio apartment, and on the very first night of a 10 day visit, she snuck over to his sleeping bag, woke him up, and tried to kiss him.
他们住在这个家伙的小单间公寓里，在为期 10 天的访问的第一个晚上，她偷偷走到他的睡袋旁，把他叫醒，并试图吻他。
And he said, I think this is a bad idea.
他说，我认为这是一个坏主意。
And so what were the next nine days like?
那么接下来的九天是什么样的呢？
Really uncomfortable.
确实不舒服。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass And then there was the time that Elna tried to drag her friend Heather into pursuing a guy with one of these capers.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 有一次，埃尔娜（Elna）试图拉她的朋友希瑟（Heather）去追求一个有这种行为的男人。
Heather was one of the friends that Elna took on that trip to Africa.
希瑟是埃尔娜带去非洲旅行的朋友之一。
She was a page at The Letterman Show.
她是莱特曼秀的一名侍者。
And Elna would sometimes ask her--
艾尔娜有时会问她——
Who do you like?
你喜欢谁？
Or tell me about your relationships.
或者告诉我你的人际关系。
And she was always really vague about it.
而她对此总是含糊其辞。
And she would just say that she'd been in love before, but it just hadn't worked out.
她只会说她以前谈过恋爱，但没有成功。
And so I kept fishing for details.
所以我一直在寻找细节。
Eventually, after a few months, I got out that they were college sweethearts.
最终，几个月后，我得知他们是大学情侣。
They'd been together about five years.
他们在一起大约五年了。
And it just hadn't worked out.
但它只是没有成功。
And so I kept trying to strategize.
所以我一直在努力制定策略。
I was like, OK, well, we gotta-- if you still love him, we're going to make this work out.
我当时想，好吧，好吧，我们必须——如果你仍然爱他，我们就会解决这个问题。
What can we do to show him how you feel?
我们可以做什么来向他展示你的感受？
Well, I asked well, when are you planning a trip home?
嗯，我问得好，你打算什么时候回家？
Can you see him?
你能看到他吗？
No, I can't see him.
不，我看不到他。
Well, why not?
嗯，为什么不呢？
And then after, maybe six, seven months of this, one day she said, "Look, I feel really bad for not having told you this, but the reason it didn't work out is that he died in a forest fire." And yeah, and they were planning on getting married.
然后，也许六、七个月之后，有一天她说：“听着，我为没有告诉你这件事感到非常难过，但它没有成功的原因是他死于一场森林火灾。”是的，他们正计划结婚。
He was her whole life, her whole future.
他是她的一生，她的未来。
She imagined having kids with him.
她想象着和他生孩子。
Although I will say in retrospect, I was like a goldfish.
虽然现在回想起来我会说，我就像一条金鱼。
I blinked my eyes, and I was like, well?
我眨了眨眼睛，心想，嗯？
Like, I took the information, and I was like, well, have you liked anyone since?
就像，我拿到了这些信息，然后我想，好吧，从那以后你喜欢过任何人吗？
Yeah, I asked her if, in the time since-- which I think had been about two years.
是的，我问她是否，从那以后——我想已经有大约两年了。
And the answer was yes, one guy.
答案是肯定的，一个人。
It was before she moved to New York.
那是在她搬到纽约之前。
She was working at a little puddle jumper airport in Idaho, and was checking in this guy for a flight.
她当时在爱达荷州的一个小水坑跳伞机场工作，正在为这个人办理登机手续。
And they started talking, had this really nice talk for 45 minutes.
他们开始交谈，聊了 45 分钟，非常愉快。
When he was on the airplane, she looked up the roster, found his name, and found that in a week, he was going be flying back through the same airport.
当他在飞机上时，她查了名册，找到了他的名字，发现一周后，他将通过同一个机场飞回来。
So she changed her schedule, made sure she was working at that time, got all dressed up, waited a whole day.
于是她改变了日程，确定自己当时正在工作，穿好衣服，等了一整天。
He didn't fly through.
他没有飞过去。
That was it.
就是这样。
And so she finishes the story, and I was like, this is the worst story I've ever heard.
她讲完了这个故事，我当时想，这是我听过的最糟糕的故事。
That was it?
就是这样吗？
This is the most tragic.
这是最悲惨的。
Right, because it seemed like true love to you?
对吧，因为这对你来说似乎是真爱？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Ira Glass Because, just to review, you hadn't been in love yourself yet?
Ira Glass：因为，回顾一下，你自己还没有恋爱过？
[CHUCKLING] Ira Glass That's as far as you had gone.
[咯咯笑] Ira Glass：你就到此为止了。
Yeah, and it feels-- ah.
是的，感觉——啊。
Ira Glass And then Heather admitted she'd googled the guy, found that he worked at a river guiding company.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 然后希瑟承认她在谷歌上搜索了这个人，发现他在一家河流导航公司工作。
He was in a picture on their website.
他出现在他们网站上的照片中。
And every now and then, she would look at the picture.
她时不时地会看一眼那张照片。
And Elna, of course, was like, great.
当然，埃尔娜也觉得，太棒了。
You know his name.
你知道他的名字。
You know where he works.
你知道他在哪里工作。
Time to act.
是时候采取行动了。
Heather responded in the way I think most rational people would.
希瑟的反应是我认为大多数理性人都会做的。
She was like, this dude does not remember me.
她说，这家伙不记得我了。
Like, I'm sure this dude doesn't remember me.
就像，我确信这家伙不记得我了。
It had been like a year and a half since they'd spoken once for 45 minutes.
他们已经有一年半没有说过一次长达 45 分钟的谈话了。
And I was like, well, you never know unless you try.
我当时想，好吧，除非你尝试，否则你永远不会知道。
And so I kept at her for, I think, like four months or so, I just kept being like, just write the letter, write the letter.
所以我一直在她身边，我想，大约四个月左右，我只是一直这样，写信，写信。
Then one day, Heather was visiting Elna's apartment, and Elna pulled out a box of fancy stationery.
然后有一天，希瑟去艾尔娜的公寓拜访，艾尔娜拿出一盒精美的文具。
And I was like, OK, I know we're not going to send this letter, but if we did send it, what would we say?
我当时想，好吧，我知道我们不会寄这封信，但如果我们真的寄了，我们会说什么？
And so I gave her--
所以我给了她——
And did she see through your clever stratagem?
她识破了你的诡计吗？
Well, she played along.
嗯，她也配合了。
Ira Glass Then Heather was like, how do you get over the problem that I'm writing a letter to this guy a year and a half after we met each other totally out of the blue?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）然后希瑟（Heather）说，在我们完全见面一年半之后，我给这个人写了一封信，你如何克服这个问题？
Well, here's the letter Elna wrote.
嗯，这是艾尔娜写的信。
"Hey, um, you probably don't remember me.
“嘿，呃，你可能不记得我了。
We met at the airport.
我们在机场见面。
And I made a misstep, missed the opportunity to connect with you then, and it just so happened a year and a half later my younger brother is thinking of being a river guide.
而我犯了一个错误，错过了和你联系的机会，而一年半后，我的弟弟却想成为一名河流向导。
And we were looking on sites of river guides, and I came across this picture.
我们在寻找河流指南网站时，我发现了这张照片。
And I was like, wait, how do I know that guy?
我当时想，等等，我怎么认识那个人？
Well, I saw him at an airport a year and a half ago.
嗯，一年半前我在机场见过他。
And I thought, wow.
我想，哇。
I missed that chance then.
我当时就错过了这个机会。
Let me write him a letter now.
现在让我给他写封信。
So I just wanted to say hello, and you know, here's my email if you ever want to connect."
所以我只是想打个招呼，你知道，如果你想联系的话，这是我的电子邮件。”
The part that was a lie was her brother wasn't interested in being a river guide.
谎言是她哥哥对当河流导游不感兴趣。
Also, of course, the whole rest of it, stumbling across this picture accidentally, the whole thing.
当然，还有其余的一切，偶然发现这张照片，整个事情。
Over the next few months, they drafted and redrafted this letter.
在接下来的几个月里，他们起草并重新起草了这封信。
And it was like a game.
这就像一场游戏。
They would show it to people.
他们会把它展示给人们看。
They would get edits and suggestions.
他们会得到编辑和建议。
Then one day, Heather calls Elna and tells her she sent the letter.
有一天，希瑟打电话给埃尔娜，告诉她这封信是她寄出的。
And really, for the first time, Elna realized, oh wait, maybe this is a bad idea.
真的，埃尔娜第一次意识到，哦等等，也许这是一个坏主意。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It hit me in that moment that sending the letter would mean that Heather was going to get hurt.
那一刻我突然意识到，寄出这封信就意味着希瑟会受到伤害。
And I felt really nervous.
我感到非常紧张。
Yeah.
是的。
Because every other time you've tried this, it's failed.
因为每次你尝试这个方法时，都会失败。
Exactly.
确切地。
Ira Glass And suddenly you realize, oh, she's going to be hurt, and she was feeling OK, and now I got her hopes up.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：突然你意识到，哦，她会受伤，她感觉很好，现在我对她抱有希望。
Yep.
是的。
Ira Glass And she's going to feel bad, and it's my fault.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：她会感觉很糟糕，这是我的错。
Exactly.
确切地。
Yeah, but then at the same time, I also felt proud of her.
是的，但同时，我也为她感到骄傲。
Because this was the first-- I felt like she put her heart out again.
因为这是第一次——我感觉她又把心掏出来了。
I guess the consolation in that moment was, this probably isn't going to work out, but she showed the universe, or whatever, that she's willing to try again.
我想那一刻的安慰是，这可能不会成功，但她向宇宙展示了她愿意再试一次。
Well, she showed herself that she's willing to try again after all the sadness that she'd had with her boyfriend.
好吧，她向自己表明，在经历了与男友的所有悲伤之后，她愿意再次尝试。
So does she end up getting a boyfriend after that?
那她后来有男朋友了吗？
Well, so two weeks later the guy who got the letter wrote back.
好吧，两周后收到这封信的人回信了。
Mhm.
嗯。
Elna Baker And it was actually pretty short and friendly.
埃尔娜·贝克（Elna Baker） 实际上，它非常简短且友好。
He remembered meeting her, and she left an impression on him too.
他记得见过她，她也给他留下了印象。
And they started dating.
他们开始约会。
And they dated for seven years, and now they're married.
他们约会了七年，现在他们结婚了。
What?
什么？
Elna Baker I know.
埃尔娜·贝克我知道。
I gave a toast at their wedding, where I told this story of writing the letter.
我在他们的婚礼上祝酒，并讲述了写这封信的故事。
It's kind of the most magical thing that I've ever helped facilitate.
这是我帮助促成的最神奇的事情。
OK, so that worked with her.
好的，这对她有用。
Do you think these kinds of things are a good idea?
你认为这些事情是个好主意吗？
No, not anymore.
不，不再是了。
And actually, I think it worked--
事实上，我认为它有效——
Wait, wait, I'm confused now.
等等，等等，我现在很困惑。
Why are they a bad idea?
为什么它们是一个坏主意？
It seems false.
看来是假的。
It's not really how you show someone you love them in the way I thought it was.
这并不是我想象的那样向某人表达你爱他们的方式。
I feel like it has more to do with you than the other person.
我觉得这与你的关系比与其他人的关系更大。
She actually hasn't done this stuff now in almost a decade, doesn't miss it.
事实上，她已经有近十年没有做过这种事了，她并不怀念。
And when she looks back on it, she thinks she was doing those big gestures because she was so unsure of herself.
当她回想起来时，她认为自己做出这些大动作是因为她对自己太没有信心了。
I was afraid that they wouldn't like me, if I just was like, hey, I'm interested in you.
我担心如果我只是说，嘿，我对你感兴趣，他们就不会喜欢我。
This is who I am.
这就是我。
I thought maybe you like construction paper, and giant signs, and hot glue gun art.
我想也许你喜欢建筑用纸、巨型标牌和热胶枪艺术。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Elna Baker And if I'd show you all of that and I'm standing behind it, then if I'm not enough, at least you'll like that, and you'll say yes.
埃尔娜·贝克：如果我向你展示所有这些，并且我支持它，那么如果我还不够，至少你会喜欢它，你会说是的。
It's scary being real with another person.
与另一个人真实相处是很可怕的。
And there are so many ways to avoid it.
并且有很多方法可以避免它。
This is just a particularly splashy one.
这只是一件特别引人注目的事。
Our program was produced today by Miki Meek.
今天我们的节目由 Miki Meek 制作。
Other staff, Susan Burton, Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Neil Drumming, Karen Duffin, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Seth Lind, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, and Diane Wu.
其他工作人员包括 Susan Burton、Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Neil Drumming、Karen Duffin、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joffe-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Seth Lind、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Matt Tierney、Nancy Updike 和 Diane Wu。
Research help today from Christopher Swetala and Michelle Harris.
Christopher Swetala 和 Michelle Harris 今天提供了研究帮助。
Music help from Damien Graf.
达米安·格拉夫 (Damien Graf) 的音乐帮助。
Students Ivan Webber, Ezri Staheli, and Max Bennion helped with reporting at Payson High School.
学生 Ivan Webber、Ezri Staheli 和 Max Bennion 帮助佩森高中进行报道。
Thanks to them.
感谢他们。
Special thanks today to Jesse Sorenson, Clint Peery, Kurt Braunohler, Lauren Cook, Robin Moore, Enrique Lamadrid, Key West Ghost & Mysteries Tour, Clinton Curry at Ghosts & Gravestones, the Diaz-Ayala Collection at Florida International University, and Heather Wright.
今天特别感谢杰西·索伦森 (Jesse Sorenson)、克林特·皮里 (Clint Peery)、库尔特·布劳诺勒 (Kurt Braunohler)、劳伦·库克 (Lauren Cook)、罗宾·摩尔 (Robin Moore)、恩里克·拉马德里德 (Enrique Lamadrid)、基韦斯特幽灵与神秘之旅、幽灵与墓碑的克林顿·库里 (Clinton Curry)、佛罗里达国际大学迪亚兹-阿亚拉收藏馆和希瑟·赖特 (Heather Wright)。
Our website-- thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站——thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia, who has been wiretapping former National Security Adviser Mike Flynn's telephone for months now, and finally today is releasing the audio to the public.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人托里·马拉蒂亚先生，他几个月来一直在窃听前国家安全顾问迈克·弗林的电话，今天终于向公众发布了音频。
We have a clip.
我们有一个剪辑。
[SPEAKING GIBBERISH] Michael Flynn Just shout random words.
[胡言乱语] 迈克尔·弗林 (Michael Flynn) 随便乱喊几句。
[SPEAKING GIBBERISH] Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
[胡言乱语] Ira Glass 我是 Ira Glass，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。