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Prologue Ira Glass This Christmas, Luke was in Iraq with a sniper unit in the Marines on a little forward operating base in Ramadi, maybe 200 guys-- bunk beds, dirt floors, pretty basic.

序言 Ira Glass 今年圣诞节,卢克和海军陆战队的一支狙击手部队一起前往伊拉克拉马迪的一个小型前线作战基地,大概有 200 人——双层床,肮脏的地板,非常简陋。

They'd go out for two days at a time, set up a covert position in a house or a building, with a long range rifle, monitor what was going on in the street, shoot at guys who were setting up bombs in the road.

他们一次出去两天,在一所房子或建筑物里设立一个隐蔽的阵地,拿着远程步枪,监视街上发生的事情,向在路上设置炸弹的人开枪。

The people we encountered, mostly I don't think they were really well-trained.

我们遇到的人,大多数我认为他们都没有受过良好的训练。

And if we're doing our job right, they don't necessarily know where they're getting shot at from.

如果我们的工作做得好,他们不一定知道他们是从哪里遭到射击的。

So that makes it harder for them to turn around and return fire.

这使得他们更难转身还击。

Spending hour after hour on watch, his is like the military cliche-- lots of extended boredom, broken up by moments of great intensity.

他一小时又一小时地守候,就像军事上的陈词滥调一样——大量的长期无聊,被高度紧张的时刻所打破。

And then you're constantly trying to then stay sharp and pay-- you know.

然后你不断地努力保持敏锐并付出代价——你知道。

It might be boring.

可能很无聊。

There might not be anything going on, but you sort of have to stay-- try and keep focused and stay vigilant and sort of think your way into it not being boring and having your brain turned on.

可能没有任何事情发生,但你必须留下来——努力保持专注,保持警惕,想办法进入其中,不要让自己变得无聊,让你的大脑开动。

Men, these tough guys, Marine snipers, will come off duty, go back to their base.

男人们,这些硬汉,海军陆战队狙击手,将会下班,回到他们的基地。

There wasn't much entertainment, not the greatest internet back then.

那时没有太多的娱乐,也没有最好的互联网。

This is 2005.

这是2005年。

So they watched DVDs, specifically this.

所以他们看DVD,特别是这个。

Well, I believe three minutes is plenty of time for some coffee.

嗯,我相信喝咖啡三分钟就足够了。

Yes, coffee, please!

是的,请喝咖啡!

Lorelai Hey, we're dying.

罗蕾莱 嘿,我们快死了。

Load us up.

加载我们。

Mommy.

妈妈。

Lorelai What do you mean it's not ready?

罗蕾莱:“还没准备好”是什么意思?

It's 6:00 in the morning.

现在是早上 6:00。

Nothing says coffee like 6:00 in the morning.

没有什么比早上 6:00 更适合喝咖啡了。

And what is this?

这是什么?

Luke Huisenga That's the Gilmore Girls.

卢克·惠森加 那是吉尔摩女孩。

Yeah, the Gilmore Girls, the story of single mom Lorelai Gilmore, her teenage daughter Rory, her mom Emily, and the small town they live in, fictional Stars Hollow, Connecticut, beloved by a generation of tween girls and their mothers-- and other people too.

是的,《吉尔摩女孩》讲述了单亲妈妈洛蕾莱·吉尔摩、她十几岁的女儿罗里、她的妈妈艾米丽,以及她们居住的小镇——虚构的康涅狄格州斯塔斯霍洛的故事,深受一代青少年女孩和她们的母亲以及其他人的喜爱。

It's a very girly show.

这是一部非常少女的剧。

Luke Huisenga It's a girly show.

卢克·惠森加 这是一部少女剧。

The girl is right there in the title, sure.

当然,这个女孩就在标题中。

I mean, there are a lot of scenes of like, you know, a mom and her daughter talking about how they're obsessed with coffee.

我的意思是,有很多场景,你知道,一位妈妈和她的女儿谈论他们如何沉迷于咖啡。

Yeah.

是的。

I mean, I'm of two minds on how girly it is.

我的意思是,我对它有多少女有两种看法。

I mean, I think that's part of what we liked about it too.

我的意思是,我认为这也是我们喜欢它的一部分。

Because there were zero women around where we were, and also because I think my platoon, my friends, we sort of liked doing things that were different and weirding people out a little bit.

因为我们周围的女性人数为零,也因为我认为我的排、我的朋友们,我们有点喜欢做一些不同的事情,让人们感到有点奇怪。

[LAUGHS] Luke Huisenga You know, and it would sort of bother the crusty old first sergeant who was always yelling at us about things and making our lives miserable.

[笑]卢克·惠森加(Luke Huisenga)你知道,这会让那位脾气暴躁的老中士感到困扰,他总是对我们大喊大叫,让我们的生活变得悲惨。

It would sort of bother him if we were watching a girly show or if you wore a pink t-shirt to a company event, things like that.

如果我们正在看一场少女秀,或者如果你穿着粉色 T 恤去参加公司活动,诸如此类的事情,他会有点烦恼。

But he couldn't yell at you like you were doing something incorrectly like he could everything else.

但他不能像对待其他事情那样对你大喊大叫,就像你做错了什么一样。

So it was almost like a little bit of a rebellion that the sniper platoon was all holed up watching Gilmore Girls.

所以,狙击排都躲在吉尔莫女孩身边,这几乎就像是一种叛逆。

Here's a typical scene.

这是一个典型的场景。

It's about being a mom and being a daughter.

这是关于作为一个母亲和作为一个女儿。

Lorelai, who's the single mom on the show, is being criticized by her mother about the way that she's raising her daughter, Rory.

罗蕾莱是节目中的单亲妈妈,她的母亲批评她抚养女儿罗里的方式。

Lorelai Gilmore, I've watched you do a lot of stupid things in your life, and I have held my tongue.

罗蕾莱·吉尔摩,我见过你一生中做了很多愚蠢的事情,但我一直保持沉默。

Ha, you've what?

哈,你有什么?

Emily But I will not stand by and let you allow that girl to ruin her life.

艾米丽 但我不会袖手旁观,让你让那个女孩毁了她的生活。

Mom, back off.

妈妈,退后吧。

Emily She spent the night out with that boy, the one you let her run off to that dance with.

艾米丽 她和那个男孩一起出去过夜,就是那个你让她跑去参加舞会的男孩。

Mom, so help me god, I will not get into this with you.

妈妈,上帝啊,帮帮我吧,我不会和你扯上这件事的。

No, she's not.

不,她不是。

Emily She's going to get pregnant.

艾米丽 她要怀孕了。

No, she's not.

不,她不是。

Emily She's going to ruin everything just like you ruined everything.

艾米丽 她会毁掉一切,就像你毁掉一切一样。

No, she's not!

不,她不是!

No, she's not!

不,她不是!

No, she's not!

不,她不是!

Rory is a good kid, Mom.

妈妈,罗里是个好孩子。

She's not me.

她不是我。

What kind of mother are you?

你是一位什么样的母亲?

Ira Glass So yeah, Marine, what do you see?

Ira Glass 那么是的,海军陆战队,你看到了什么?

Yeah, I mean, it is girly.

是的,我的意思是,它很少女。

And there's a lot of women talking.

还有很多女性在谈论。

And I know there's the whole scale.

我知道这是整个规模。

Like, two women can't talk on screen, like men won't watch the show.

就像,两个女人不能在屏幕上交谈,就像男人不会看节目一样。

There has to be a man or they're talking about a man.

必须有一个男人,否则他们正在谈论一个男人。

Yeah, it's girly, but it's also a funny show.

是的,它很少女,但也是一个有趣的节目。

It's a smart show.

这是一场聪明的表演。

It's a well-written show.

这是一个写得很好的节目。

I think first, it's good.

我认为首先,这很好。

And I don't think we would have watched it if it wasn't good, the same reason everyone else watched it.

我认为如果它不好的话我们就不会看它,就像其他人看它的原因一样。

But I think it struck a particular chord with us as sort of escapism, a different world from where we were.

但我认为它引起了我们特别的共鸣,因为它是一种逃避现实,一个与我们所处的世界不同的世界。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

It's hard to imagine like a world further away from a war zone in Ramadi.

很难想象拉马迪还有一个远离战区的世界。

Right.

正确的。

Yeah.

是的。

It's a really idyllic kind of world, but it's not super sappy.

这真是一个田园诗般的世界,但并不是超级多愁善感。

It still has sarcasm and weirdness that makes the idyllic part of it-- the really nice warm part of it-- it sort of makes it even more palatable and real maybe.

它仍然有讽刺和怪异,这使得它的田园诗般的部分——它真正美好温暖的部分——这让它变得更加可口和真实。

Luke says they all learned about the Gilmore Girls from their corpsman Jess, whose sister watched the show and got hooked himself after he noticed a Tom Waits reference in one episode.

卢克说,他们都是从医护兵杰西那里了解到吉尔摩女孩的,杰西的姐姐看了这部剧,并在他注意到其中一集中提及汤姆·威茨后就着迷了。

He's into Tom Waits.

他喜欢汤姆·威茨。

A few of the guys started watching.

几个家伙开始观看。

Other guys who complained that it was on, and then they reluctantly get pulled in themselves until they had a core group-- Jess, Erik, John, Greg, seven or eight guys in all-- who watched everything.

其他人抱怨它还在播放,然后他们不情愿地被拉进来,直到他们有了一个核心小组——杰西、埃里克、约翰、格雷格,总共七八个人——他们观看了一切。

Hey, where were you and your friends on the show's big controversies?

嘿,你和你的朋友在节目中的巨大争议中在哪里?

Like Rory had three guys over the course of the different seasons.

就像罗里在不同的赛季中拥有三个球员一样。

There was Jess.

那里有杰西。

There was Logan.

有洛根。

And there was Dean.

还有迪恩。

And for people who haven't seen the show, it's sort of like Jess was the rebel.

对于没有看过这部剧的人来说,杰西有点像叛逆者。

Logan was the rich kid.

洛根是个富家子弟。

And Dean was the townie, maybe a little boring.

迪恩是镇上的人,也许有点无聊。

Right.

正确的。

Ira Glass Who did you guys side with?

艾拉·格拉斯(Ira Glass)你们站在谁一边?

So Erik was a big Dean supporter.

所以埃里克是迪恩的大力支持者。

There was a lot of-- like sort of a running gag of Erik coming to Dean's defense and us making fun of him for it.

有很多——就像埃里克(Erik)为迪恩(Dean)辩护而我们因此取笑他的笑话。

Well, Dean was married.

嗯,迪恩结婚了。

I mean, Dean was married.

我是说,迪恩已经结婚了。

I think Erik would say that they were always true love, and the marriage doesn't count.

我想埃里克会说他们永远是真爱,婚姻不算数。

I'm anti-Dean, and I'm kind of OK with Jess and Logan.

我反对迪恩,但我对杰西和洛根还算满意。

I'm with you.

我和你在一起。

I never had a problem with Logan.

我和洛根从来没有任何问题。

I think Logan was really-- he was so into her.

我认为洛根真的——他很喜欢她。

Yeah, he was good to her.

是啊,他对她很好。

And I think he was really-- she sort of needed--

我认为他真的——她有点需要——

OK, we don't need to play any more of this part of the interview on the radio.

好的,我们不需要在广播中再播放这部分采访了。

You get the idea.

你明白了。

They were real, actual fans.

他们是真正的粉丝。

And probably this is a good time to out myself, if you haven't picked this up already.

如果你还没有意识到这一点,也许现在是一个自我展示的好时机。

I have seen all the old episodes myself, though not the new recent Gilmore Girls reboot reunion shows.

我自己看过所有旧剧集,但没有看过最近新推出的《吉尔莫女孩》重启重聚节目。

I have lots of opinions about the show, I should say, that Luke did not share.

我应该说,我对这部剧有很多看法,但卢克没有分享。

For instance, there's a whole host of cartoonishly wacky B plot townspeople characters I was not into.

例如,有一大堆卡通古怪的 B 情节城镇居民角色我不喜欢。

Oh, Ira.

哦,艾拉。

Ira Glass I also believe the Gilmore Girls has the worst music cues of any series in the last three decades of television.

艾拉·格拉斯(Ira Glass) 我还相信《吉尔摩女孩》的音乐线索是过去三十年电视节目中最糟糕的。

Case in point.

举个例子。

Luke Huisenga I think the cues that you're talking about, like the la la la stuff, I mean, I think we sang that, you know, walking around.

卢克·惠森加(Luke Huisenga) 我认为你所说的暗示,比如《啦啦啦》之类的东西,我的意思是,我想我们唱着那首歌,你知道,四处走动。

Well, like, (SINGING) La la la la la la la.

嗯,就像,(唱歌)啦啦啦啦啦啦啦。

But that's not what we're here to talk about.

但这不是我们在这里讨论的内容。

I'm telling you this story because, of course, it's Christmas, and this is a Christmas story.

我告诉你这个故事当然是因为今天是圣诞节,这是一个圣诞节故事。

Back in 2005, when they were in Ramadi, as Christmas approached, they were far from home, missing family and life there.

2005年,当他们在拉马迪时,圣诞节临近,他们远离家乡,想念那里的家人和生活。

Luke decided to go online.

卢克决定上网。

I was going to try and buy-- and I thought it would be a fun and funny gift to try and buy guys Gilmore Girls t-shirts or something as a Christmas present.

我打算尝试购买——我认为尝试购买吉尔莫女孩的 T 恤或其他东西作为圣诞礼物,会是一件有趣又有趣的礼物。

And the Gilmore Girls website store at the time, all the clothing was either like a spaghetti strap tank top or a baby doll tee.

当时的 Gilmore Girls 网站商店,所有的衣服要么是细肩带背心,要么是娃娃 T 恤。

[LAUGHS] Luke Huisenga There was not any unisex or male anything on there.

[笑] Luke Huisenga 那里没有任何男女皆宜或男性的东西。

And you guys were bad asses.

你们都是坏蛋。

But you weren't going to go that far.

但你不会走那么远。

Yeah, well, I mean, it's not flattering.

是的,我的意思是,这并不讨人喜欢。

And so he wrote a letter to the creator of Gilmore Girls, Amy Sherman-Palladino.

因此,他给《吉尔摩女孩》的创始人艾米·谢尔曼-帕拉迪诺写了一封信。

Here's a bit of it.

这是其中的一点内容。

"I have to tell you, my guys and I absolutely love your show.

“我必须告诉你,我和我的伙伴们非常喜欢你的表演。

I know you must hear that all the time.

我知道你一定经常听到这样的话。

I even read a recent endorsement of the show in Esquire magazine.

我什至在《Esquire》杂志上读到了最近对该剧的认可。

Still, I'd venture to say that we are even further outside the Gilmore Girls target audience.

尽管如此,我还是敢说我们离吉尔摩女孩的目标受众还很远。

I live in a strict, macho sometimes violent world that very often does not make sense.

我生活在一个严格、有男子气概、有时甚至是暴力的世界,这常常是没有意义的。

Stars Hollow, the small town where the Gilmore Girls takes place--"

星空镇,吉尔摩女孩发生地的小镇——”

Wait, wait, you explained to Amy Sherman-Palladino what Stars Hollow was in your letter?

等等,等等,你在信中向艾米·谢尔曼-帕拉迪诺解释了星空谷是什么?

[LAUGHS]

[笑]

Being reunited with the reality of this letter 10 years later has really disabused me of a lot of my illusions.

十年后,当我再次看到这封信的现实时,我确实破灭了很多幻想。

Because I remembered the really good parts, and I thought I must of wrote a great letter.

因为我记得真正好的部分,我想我一定写了一封很棒的信。

And then reading it again, I see like, oh man.

然后再读一遍,我发现,天哪。

This was not all good.

这并不全是好事。

The rest of the letter actually is pretty good, a really nice summary of what he and his guys like so much about the TV show.

这封信的其余部分实际上相当不错,很好地总结了他和他的人对电视节目的喜爱程度。

And then at the bottom, there's a PS.

然后在最下面,有一个PS。

"PS," he writes--

“附注,”他写道——

"I checked the website, and the shirts appear to be cut for girls.

“我查了网站,这些衬衫似乎是为女孩剪裁的。

What gives?

什么给?

I was going to buy the guys Christmas presents."

我本来打算给大家买圣诞礼物。”

Which, I have to say, was handled perfectly, just enough of a hint.

我不得不说,处理得很完美,只是一个暗示。

A few weeks later, sure enough, packages arrive-- five big boxes.

几周后,果然,包裹到达了——五个大盒子。

And we opened them up, and they were full of these like navy blue wool jackets that had very subtle teal embroidering on the breast that said Gilmore Girls in the typeface and a really nice letter from Amy Sherman-Palladino.

我们打开它们,里面装满了像海军蓝色羊毛夹克一样的东西,胸前绣着非常微妙的青色,上面写着吉尔莫女孩的字样,还有艾米·谢尔曼-帕拉迪诺写的一封非常好的信。

These were crew jackets, made as gifts for the show's camera people and gaffers in men's sizes.

这些是男士尺码的圆领夹克,作为送给节目摄影师和灯光师的礼物。

It was a big morale boost for everybody.

这对每个人来说都是一个巨大的士气鼓舞。

I remember taking them back and giving them out and sort of reading the letter.

我记得把它们拿回来并分发出去,然后读了这封信。

And even guys that didn't watch the show were excited.

就连没有看过节目的人也感到兴奋。

Obviously the show meant a lot to my friends and I.

显然,这个节目对我和我的朋友来说意义重大。

I think I tried to tell her that she let us feel like it was ours a little bit.

我想我试图告诉她,她让我们感觉它是我们的。

Are you choking up?

你窒息了吗?

Luke Huisenga Yeah.

卢克·惠森加 是的。

Yeah.

是的。

I just think it was really generous of her.

我只是觉得她真的很慷慨。

It really felt like Christmas morning, he told me.

他告诉我,这真的感觉就像圣诞节的早晨。

The jackets were just what he wanted, even though he didn't even know that jackets like this existed.

这些夹克正是他想要的,尽管他甚至不知道有这样的夹克存在。

I wonder if it felt that way to Amy Sherman-Palladino also.

我想知道艾米·谢尔曼-帕拉迪诺是否也有同样的感觉。

You know?

你知道?

The letter Luke wrote to her, like a present she didn't even know she wanted, didn't even know she could want till it arrived.

卢克写给她的信,就像一份礼物,她甚至不知道自己想要,甚至不知道自己会想要,直到它到达。

And then she was really happy about it.

然后她真的很高兴。

She's told people that she's kept Luke's letter in her desk all these years.

她告诉人们,这些年来她一直把卢克的信放在她的办公桌上。

It's been over a decade now.

到现在已经十多年了。

Well, today on our program, with the holidays happening, we have stories of people wanting stuff, daring to want stuff-- really, really feeling it.

好吧,今天在我们的节目中,随着假期的到来,我们有关于人们想要东西、敢于想要东西的故事——真的、真的感觉到了。

But getting the thing that you want can feel so much different than what you imagined.

但得到你想要的东西的感觉可能与你想象的有很大不同。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Our show today in two acts-- Zoe Chace coming up in the second.

我们今天的节目分两幕——佐伊·切斯(Zoe Chace)在第二幕上演。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act One, Lopsided Tannenbaum.

第一幕,不平衡的坦南鲍姆。

Let's begin today with this Christmas story.

今天我们就从这个圣诞故事开始吧。

It's a piece fiction read by the author, Maile Meloy.

这是作者梅勒·梅洛伊读过的一篇小说。

Everett thought it was a good tree.

埃弗里特认为这是一棵好树。

His four-year-old daughter agreed.

他四岁的女儿同意了。

His wife said it was lopsided and looked like a bush.

他的妻子说它是倾斜的,看起来像灌木丛。

It was a tall Douglas fir, bare on one side where it had crowded out its neighbor.

那是一棵高大的道格拉斯冷杉,一侧光秃秃的,挤走了邻居。

The branchless side could go against the living room wall.

无分支的一面可以靠在客厅的墙上。

The bushy side was for decorations.

浓密的一面是用来装饰的。

Everett dragged it through the snow by the trunk, and his daughter, Anne Marie clung to the upper branches and rode on her stomach.

埃弗里特拖着树干在雪地里拖着它,他的女儿安妮·玛丽则抓住上面的树枝,骑在肚子上。

Pam, his wife, followed with an armload of pine boughs and juniper branches.

他的妻子帕姆抱着一抱松树枝和杜松树枝跟在后面。

She seemed to have decided not to say anything more about the tree, which was fine with Everett.

她似乎决定不再谈论这棵树,埃弗雷特对此表示同意。

The Jimmy was parked where the trail split off in the logging road, and Everett opened the back to throw the tools and boughs in, then rope the tree to the roof with nylon cords.

吉米车停在伐木路的岔路处,埃弗雷特打开后备箱,把工具和树枝扔进去,然后用尼龙绳把树绑到屋顶上。

Pam brushed off Anne Marie's snowsuit and buckled her in the front so she wouldn't get carsick.

帕姆拂掉安妮·玛丽的防雪服,把她扣在前面,这样她就不会晕车。

The smell of pine and juniper filled the car as they drove down the mountain.

下山时,车内充满了松树和杜松子的气味。

Everett sang "chestnut's roasting on an open fire" in his best lounge singer croon.

埃弗雷特用他最好的休闲歌手低吟唱起了“在明火上烤栗子”。

"With Jack Frost nipping at your nose," he reached over and nipped at Anne Marie's and she squealed.

“杰克·弗罗斯特在咬你的鼻子,”他伸手咬了安妮·玛丽的鼻子,她尖叫起来。

He stopped, forgetting the words.

他停了下来,忘记了刚才的话。

Pam prompted-- "Yuletide carols," half singing, shy about her voice.

帕姆提示——“圣诞颂歌”,半唱着,对她的声音有些害羞。

Everett picked it up again with, "being sung by a choir."

埃弗里特再次拿起它,“由合唱团演唱。”

That was when they saw the couple at the side of the road-- "folks dressed up like Eskimos." Everett thought for a second that he had conjured them up with his song.

就在那时,他们在路边看到了这对夫妇——“人们打扮得像爱斯基摩人。”埃弗雷特想了想,他是用自己的歌把它们召唤出来的。

The man wore a blue parka and held up a broken crosscountry ski.

该男子穿着一件蓝色派克大衣,举着一块破损的越野滑雪板。

The woman wore red gaiters over wool trousers, a man's peacoat, and a fur hat.

女人在羊毛长裤外面穿着红色绑腿,穿着男人的厚呢大衣,戴着毛皮帽子。

They waved.

他们挥手。

Everett slowed to a stop and roll down the window.

埃弗雷特放慢速度停下来,摇下车窗。

"Nice day for a ski," he said.

“今天是滑雪的好日子,”他说。

"It was," the man said.

“是的,”那人说。

He was about Everett's height and age, not yet pushing 40, with a day or two of bristle on his chin.

他的身高和年龄与埃弗雷特相仿,还不到四十岁,下巴上有一两天的鬃毛。

"I broke a ski and we're lost," the woman began.

“我弄坏了一块滑雪板,我们迷路了,”女人开始说道。

"We're not lost," the man said.

“我们没有迷路,”那人说。

"We are completely lost," the woman said.

“我们完全迷路了,”女人说。

She was younger than the man, with high, pink cheekbones in the cold.

她比男人年轻,高高的颧骨在寒冷中呈现粉红色。

Everett felt friendly and warm from the tree and the singing.

埃弗雷特从树和歌声中感到友好和温暖。

"Your car must be close," he said, "you're on the road." "The car is on a different road," the woman said.

“你的车肯定就在附近,”他说,“你正在路上。” “车子在另一条路上,”这位女士说。

"Well, we'll find it," Everett said.

“好吧,我们会找到它的,”埃弗里特说。

In the rear view mirror, he saw Pam's eyes widen at him from the backseat.

从后视镜里,他看到后座上的帕姆睁大了眼睛看着他。

Pam was slight and dark-haired and accused him of favoring the kind of blonde who held sorority car washes.

帕姆身材瘦小,黑发,指责他喜欢那种在联谊会洗车的金发女郎。

It was a joke, but it was partly true.

这是一个玩笑,但也有部分是真的。

With a bucket and sponge, this hitchhiker would fit right in.

有了水桶和海绵,这个搭便车的人就可以进去了。

Everett got out of the car and untied a nylon cord to open the back hatch.

埃弗雷特下了车,解开一根尼龙绳,打开了后舱门。

His wife had sleds and jackets in the back seat with her, and he thought she would want some separation of family and hitchhikers.

他的妻子在后座上放着雪橇和夹克,他认为她会希望家人和搭便车的人分开。

She wouldn't look at him now.

她现在不会看他。

"You'll have to sit with the juniper boughs," he told the couple.

“你必须坐在杜松树枝旁,”他告诉这对夫妇。

"Better than freezing in a snowbank," the blonde said, climbing into the way back.

“总比在雪堆里冻着要好。”金发女郎一边说,一边爬上回去的路。

Even in the wool pants, she had a sweet figure, of the car soaping type.

即使穿着羊毛裤,她的身材也很甜美,就像是洗车的那种。

"We really appreciate this," the man said.

“我们真的很感激,”该男子说。

Everett shut them all in, lashed on the skis, and tied the tree down.

埃弗里特把他们全部关在里面,绑在滑雪板上,然后把树绑起来。

It made no sense for Pam to be angry.

帕姆生气是没有道理的。

This wasn't country where you left people in the snow.

这不是你把人们留在雪地里的国家。

The man looked strong, but not too strong.

这个男人看起来很强壮,但并不是太强。

Everett could take him if he needed to.

如果需要的话,埃弗雷特可以带他去。

Back in the driver's seat, he pulled onto the road as snow fell in clumps off the big pine the couple had stood under.

回到驾驶座上,他把车开上路,雪花从这对夫妇站立的大松树上落下。

His daughter turned around in her seat as well as she could with her seat belt on and announced to the new passengers, "We have a CB radio."

他的女儿系着安全带,在座位上尽力转身,向新乘客宣布:“我们有 CB 收音机。”

"A CB?" the man in the parka said, "what's your handle?" Anne Marie looked confused.

“CB?”穿派克大衣的男人问道:“你的把手是什么?”安妮·玛丽看上去很困惑。

"Your name," Everett explained, "on the radio."

“你的名字,”埃弗雷特解释道,“在广播里。”

"Batgirl," Anne Marie told the strangers, her cheeks flushing.

“蝙蝠女,”安妮·玛丽对陌生人说道,她的脸颊通红。

"You've got a handle?" Everett asked the hitchhikers in back.

“你有把柄吗?”埃弗里特问后面的搭便车的人。

"I'm Clyde," the man said.

“我是克莱德,”那人说。

"Bonnie," the woman said.

“邦妮,”女人说。

Everyone was silent for a moment.

所有人都沉默了片刻。

"That's really funny," Everett finally said.

“这真的很有趣,”埃弗里特最后说道。

Though between his shoulder blades, he felt a prick of worry.

肩胛骨之间,他感到一丝担忧。

"You must have a CB too." "No, those are our names," the man said.

“你也必须有一个CB。” “不,那是我们的名字,”那人说。

The CB crackled on.

CB 噼啪作响。

"What's this Continental Divide?" a man's voice asked.

“这个大陆分水岭是什么?”一个男人的声音问道。

Everett picked up the handset still thinking about Bonnie and Clyde.

埃弗雷特拿起听筒,心里仍然想着邦妮和克莱德。

"You mean, what is it?" "Yeah," the voice said.

“你的意思是,那是什么?” “是的,”那个声音说道。

So Everett explained that the snow and rain on the west side of the mountains ran to the Pacific.

于是埃弗雷特解释说,山脉西侧的雪和雨都流到了太平洋。

And the water on the east side ran to the Gulf of Mexico.

东边的水流到了墨西哥湾。

"I never heard of such a thing," the voice said.

“我从来没有听说过这样的事,”那个声音说道。

"That's what it is," Everett said.

“就是这样,”埃弗里特说。

He thought of something, the recruiting of a witness.

他想到了一件事,招募一名证人。

"We just picked up some hitchhikers named Bonnie and Clyde," he said.

“我们刚刚搭了一些叫邦妮和克莱德的搭便车的人,”他说。

"How about that?" A wheezing laugh came over the radio.

“那怎么样?”收音机里传来一阵喘息的笑声。

"No kidding?" the voice asked.

“没开玩笑吧?”那声音问道。

"You watch your back then.

“那你小心你的背。

So long."

这么久了。”

Everett hung up the handset.

埃弗雷特挂断了听筒。

"So," he said to his passengers, as if he hadn't just acted out of fear of them, "whereas your stolen jalopy?" "We parked by Fire Creek," Clyde said.

“那么,”他对乘客们说道,仿佛他的行为并非出于对他们的恐惧,“那你那辆偷来的老爷车呢?” “我们把车停在火溪旁,”克莱德说。

Everett could tell he wasn't from Montana.

埃弗里特看得出来他不是蒙大拿州人。

If he'd been from Montana, he would have said "crick." "You didn't get far," he said.

如果他来自蒙大拿州,他会说“crick”。 “你并没有走多远,”他说。

"No," Bonnie said.

“不,”邦妮说。

"How'd you break the ski?" Bonnie and Clyde both fell silent.

“你怎么把滑雪板弄坏了?”邦妮和克莱德都沉默了。

Everett drove.

埃弗里特开车。

The windows were iced from everyone's breathing, and he turned up the defroster.

由于每个人的呼吸,窗户都结冰了,他打开了除霜器。

The fans seemed very loud.

粉丝们看起来声音很大。

He took the road Fire Creek.

他走的是火溪路。

"This is it," he said stopping the Jimmy.

“就是这样,”他停下吉米车说道。

There was a place at the trail had to park cars, but there were no cars, just snow and trees and the creek running under the ice.

步道上有一个地方必须停放汽车,但没有汽车,只有雪、树木和冰下流淌的小溪。

Everett didn't look back at his life.

埃弗里特没有回顾自己的一生。

He scanned the empty turn out and hoped this was not one of those times you looked back on and wished he had done one thing different, though it seem perfectly natural to do what you did at the time.

他扫视着空荡荡的座位,希望这不是你回顾过去并希望他做了一件不同的事情的时候,尽管做你当时所做的事情似乎是很自然的。

"Where's the car?" Bonnie asked.

“车在哪儿?”邦妮问道。

"This is where we parked," Clyde said.

“这就是我们停车的地方,”克莱德说。

They were genuinely surprised and Everett almost laughed with relief.

他们真的很惊讶,埃弗雷特几乎松了一口气。

There was no con, no ambush.

没有任何骗局,没有伏击。

He untied the rope and the couple climbed out and walked to where their car had been.

他解开绳子,夫妻俩下了车,朝他们的车所在的地方走去。

Bonnie's arm brushed against Everett's when she passed, but he didn't think she meant it.

当邦妮经过时,她的手臂擦过埃弗雷特的手臂,但他认为她不是故意的。

She was thinking about the missing car.

她正在思考失踪的汽车。

He got in the Jimmy to let them discuss it.

他上了吉米车让他们讨论这个问题。

Pam reached into the way back to pull the saw and the axe from under the boughs Clyde and Bonnie had been sitting on, and she tucked the tools under her feet.

帕姆把手伸进后面的路,从克莱德和邦妮坐的树枝下拔出锯子和斧子,然后把工具塞到脚下。

"What are we doing with these people in our car?" she asked.

“我们车里的这些人在做什么?”她问道。

"Can't leave people in the snow," he said.

“不能把人们留在雪地里,”他说。

"We have a child, Everett." "And," he said, with the confidence he had just now recovered, "we're showing her that you don't leave people in the snow.

“我们有一个孩子,埃弗雷特。” “而且,”他带着刚刚恢复的自信说道,“我们正在向她表明,你不能让人们陷入困境。

Right, Anne Marie?" "Right," Anne Marie said, but she watched them both.

对吧,安妮·玛丽?” “好吧,”安妮·玛丽说,但她看着他们两个。

Pam gave Everett a dark, unforgiving stare.

帕姆阴沉、无情地瞪了埃弗雷特一眼。

Outside in the snow, Bonnie and Clyde's voices rose a notch.

外面的雪地里,邦妮和克莱德的声音提高了一个档次。

"You said we could leave the keys in it," Bonnie said.

“你说过我们可以把钥匙留在里面,”邦妮说。

"You said this was Montana, and that's what people do." "That is what they do," Clyde said.

“你说这是蒙大拿州,人们就是这么做的。” “这就是他们所做的,”克莱德说。

"Then who stole our car?"

“那谁偷了我们的车呢?”

Snow off the trees drifted around them, and the two stood staring at each other for a minute.

树上的积雪飘落在他们周围,两人站在那里对视了一会儿。

Then Bonnie started to laugh.

然后邦妮开始笑。

She had a throaty, movie star laugh that rose into a series of uncontrolled giggles.

她的笑声像电影明星一样沙哑,最后变成一连串不受控制的咯咯笑声。

Her husband shook his head at her in exasperation.

她的丈夫愤怒地对她摇摇头。

Everett felt the opposite.

埃弗里特的看法恰恰相反。

He liked her even more-- a woman who could laugh at her own stolen car and who looked like that when she did it.

他更喜欢她——一个可以嘲笑自己被偷的车的女人,而且她这样做时看起来就是那样。

She was still laughing when they started back to the car.

当他们开始回到车上时,她还在笑。

"You ask for a ride," she told her husband, her voice not lowered enough.

“你要搭车,”她告诉丈夫,声音还不够低。

Ever looked to Pam in the backseat.

曾经看着后座上的帕姆。

Pam frowned, then nodded.

帕姆皱起眉头,然后点点头。

He got out of the Jimmy, and this time Bonnie did brush his arm on purpose.

他下了吉米车,这一次邦妮确实故意擦了擦他的手臂。

He was sure of it.

他对此深信不疑。

When she and Clyde were bundled in the way back again with the tree tied down, Everett called in the theft of the car on the CB.

当她和克莱德再次被绑在回去的路上,树被绑住时,埃弗雷特在CB上报告了汽车被盗的情况。

"Do you think we should wait for the cops," Clyde asked.

“你认为我们应该等待警察吗?”克莱德问道。

"I'm not waiting in the cold anymore," Bonnie said.

“我不再在寒冷中等待了,”邦妮说。

"Jesus, who steels a car at Christmas?" Clyde said, "People do all kinds of things at Christmas." No one had any response to that.

“天啊,谁在圣诞节给汽车装钢呢?”克莱德说:“人们在圣诞节做各种各样的事情。”没有人对此做出任何回应。

The road was empty and the sky was clear.

道路空旷,天空晴朗。

Barbed-wire fences ran evenly beside the road.

带刺的铁丝网均匀地分布在路边。

And the wooden posts ticked past as they drove.

他们开车时,木柱滴答作响。

In the snowy fields beyond, yellow winter grass showed through in patches.

远处的雪原上,一片片黄色的冬草露出来。

Everett peered up at the tip of the tree, which seemed stable, roped to the roof.

埃弗里特抬头看着树尖,它似乎很稳定,用绳子绑在屋顶上。

After a while, Bonnie asked, "What do you do with the boughs?" "Make wreaths," Pam said.

过了一会儿,邦妮问:“你用树枝做什么?” “制作花圈,”帕姆说。

"I hope we're not crushing them." "No."

“我希望我们不会压垮他们。” “不。”

The two women settled back into a silence just hostile enough that Everett could feel it.

两个女人重新陷入沉默,敌意足以让埃弗雷特感觉到。

The white-capped mountains in the east beyond the low, yellow hills were lit up by the late sun through the clouds, and he was about to point them out to Anne Marie.

黄色低矮的山丘后面,东方的白色山峰被晚霞透过云层照亮,他正要把它们指给安妮·玛丽看。

"I broke the ski," Bonnie said out of the blue.

“我弄坏了滑雪板,”邦妮突然说道。

"I was cold," she said, "so we tried to take a shortcut through some fallen trees with snow on them.

“我很冷,”她说,“所以我们试图抄近路穿过一些倒下的、上面有雪的树。

Clyde took his skis off, but the snow was deep.

克莱德脱下了滑雪板,但雪很深。

And I tried to go over the logs.

我试着检查一下日志。

And the ski snapped right in half."

然后滑雪板就断成两半了。”

The sunlight had faded on the mountains, and Everett watched the road.

山上的阳光已经暗淡,埃弗里特注视着道路。

"He came up here to find himself," Bonnie said, "from Arizona where we live.

“他从我们居住的亚利桑那州来到这里寻找自己,”邦妮说。

And he met this woman.

而他,也遇见了这个女人。

She reminds me of you, actually." Pam glanced at Bonnie in surprise.

事实上,她让我想起了你。”帕姆惊讶地看了一眼邦妮。

"You're totally his type," Bonnie said.

“你完全是他喜欢的类型,”邦妮说。

"Bonnie," Clyde said.

“邦妮,”克莱德说。

There's a long pause, and Everett wondered what his wife was thinking, if she was at all stirred by that.

沉默了很长一段时间,埃弗雷特想知道他的妻子在想什么,是否对此感到兴奋。

"Anyway," Bonnie went on, "this woman, she skis, and dives into glacial lakes, and canoes through rapids.

“不管怎样,”邦妮继续说道,“这个女人,她滑雪,跳进冰川湖,划独木舟穿过急流。

And what doesn't she do?

她不做什么?

And he writes me and says that the air is so high and clear up here that he understands everything.

他写信给我说,这里的空气如此高远,如此清澈,他明白一切。

And he has met his soulmate."

而且他遇到了他的灵魂伴侣。”

"Bonnie, shut up," Clyde said.

“邦妮,闭嘴,”克莱德说。

"But we're married," Bonnie said.

“但我们已经结婚了,”邦妮说。

"And we have a child, so I have this crazy feeling that I'm supposed to be his soulmate.

“我们有一个孩子,所以我有一种疯狂的感觉,我应该成为他的灵魂伴侣。

So I leave our son with my parents and come up here, too.

所以我把儿子留给父母,也来到这里。

And we go to a party, where people get naked in a hot tub and roll around in the snow.

我们去参加一个聚会,人们在热水浴缸里赤身裸体,在雪地里打滚。

And I meet the woman, his perfect woman.

我遇到了那个女人,他的完美女人。

And the first thing she does is proposition me."

她做的第一件事就是向我求婚。”

Everett glanced at his daughter to see what she understood.

埃弗雷特看了一眼他的女儿,想看看她明白了什么。

He couldn't tell.

他说不出来。

She was looking straight out the windshield.

她直视着挡风玻璃。

He looked back at the road.

他回头看了看路。

"So I told Clyde about it," Bonnie said, "thinking he'd defend my honor.

“所以我把这件事告诉了克莱德,”邦妮说,“以为他会捍卫我的荣誉。

And he said it was a good idea.

他说这是个好主意。

He thought we might just move into his soulmate's cabin and get along."

他认为我们可以搬进他灵魂伴侣的小屋并和睦相处。”

She seemed to think about this for a second, about the right way to sum it up.

她似乎思考了一会儿,思考该如何总结。

"So we tried to go for a mind-clearing ski," she said finally, "and the karma gods stole our car." She started to laugh again, the throaty start and then the giggle.

“所以我们试图去一次能让头脑清醒的滑雪,”她最后说道,“结果业力之神偷走了我们的车。”她又开始笑了,先是嘶哑的笑声,然后是咯咯笑。

No one answered her.

没有人回答她。

The only sound was her trying to stop laughing.

唯一的声音是她试图停止笑。

Everett pulled quickly to the center of the road to miss a strip of black rubber truck tire.

埃弗雷特迅速将车开到路中央,错过了一条黑色橡胶卡车轮胎。

The CB crackled on.

CB 噼啪作响。

"Continental Divide?" a voice asked.

“大陆分水岭?”一个声音问道。

Everett answered that he was there.

埃弗里特回答说他在那里。

"You've been shot full of bullet holes?" the man asked.

“你被打得满是弹孔了?”男人问道。

"Nope," Everett said.

“不,”埃弗里特说。

"That you reporting a stolen car?" "Have you seen it?" "Yeah," the voice said, "I just seen Baby Face Nelson driving it down the road.

“你举报汽车被盗了?” “你看到了吗?” “是的,”那个声音说道,“我刚刚看到娃娃脸尼尔森在路上开着它。

Ha.

哈。

No, I ain't seen it.

不,我没看到。

I'll keep an eye out." Everett thanked him and replaced the receiver.

我会留意的。”埃弗里特向他表示感谢并放回听筒。

"Why did he say Baby Face?" Anne Marie asked.

“他为什么说娃娃脸?”安妮·玛丽问道。

"There was a Bonnie and Clyde," Everett told her, "not these ones, who were bank robbers.

“有邦妮和克莱德,”埃弗里特告诉她,“不是他们,他们是银行抢劫犯。

And Baby Face Nelson was a bank robber.

娃娃脸纳尔逊是一名银行抢劫犯。

But he didn't like to be called Baby Face."

但他不喜欢被称为娃娃脸。”

In the back, Bonnie said, "My first mistake was marrying someone named Clyde." "I don't recall you being real reluctant," Clyde said.

邦妮在后面说道:“我的第一个错误就是嫁给了一个叫克莱德的人。” “我不记得你真的不情愿,”克莱德说。

"Do you have to talk about this here?" Pam burst out, and Everett was surprised.

“有必要在这里说这个吗?”帕姆突然爆发了,埃弗雷特很惊讶。

It wasn't like her to burst out, especially in front of strangers.

她不太喜欢爆发,尤其是在陌生人面前。

"We have to talk about it some time," Bonnie said.

“我们得找个时间谈谈这件事,”邦妮说。

"We were supposed to be talking up here.

“我们本来应该在这里谈话的。

Then we got lost, and I broke the ski.

然后我们迷路了,我弄坏了滑雪板。

And Clyde goes crazy." "I did not go crazy." "You did," Bonnie said.

然后克莱德就疯了。” “我没有发疯。” “你做到了,”邦妮说。

Pam glared out the window with her arms crossed over her chest.

帕姆双臂交叉在胸前,盯着窗外。

Everett looked at the road.

埃弗里特看着路。

They were nearing the outskirts of town, the first houses.

他们已经快到城郊了,第一栋房子了。

A few had decorations out-- Santas and snowmen.

有一些已经装饰好了——圣诞老人和雪人。

Windows were already lit with red and green outlines in the dim afternoon.

昏暗的午后,窗户上已经亮起了红色和绿色的轮廓。

"Should I take you to the police station?" Everett asked.

“要我带你去警察局吗?”埃弗里特问道。

"That would be great," Clyde said.

“那就太好了,”克莱德说。

"I'm sorry," Bonnie said.

“我很抱歉,”邦妮说。

"This has been a hard time." There was a long silence.

“这段时间很艰难。”一阵长时间的沉默。

"What's the little girl's name?" Bonnie asked.

“那个小女孩叫什么名字?”邦妮问道。

His daughter turned in her seat belt.

他的女儿系好安全带。

"Anne Marie." "Do you have ornaments for the tree?" Bonnie asked her.

“安妮·玛丽。” “你有树上的装饰品吗?”邦妮问她。

"Yes," Anne Marie said.

“是的,”安妮玛丽说。

"What kind?" "Angels and two mice sleeping in a nutshell," she said, "and some fish." "Those sound nice," Bonnie said.

“什么样的?” “简而言之,天使和两只睡觉的老鼠,”她说,“还有一些鱼。” “听起来不错,”邦妮说。

"We've never had a tree.

“我们从来没有一棵树。

Clyde thinks you shouldn't cut down trees to put in your house."

克莱德认为你不应该砍伐树木来建造你的房子。”

"Bonnie," Clyde said.

“邦妮,”克莱德说。

Anne Marie said, "Our tree was crowding up another tree, so we made the other tree have room." "Would that meet your standards, Clyde?" Bonnie asked.

安妮·玛丽说:“我们的树挤满了另一棵树,所以我们让另一棵树有空间。” “这符合你的标准吗,克莱德?”邦妮问道。

Clyde said nothing.

克莱德什么也没说。

Anne Marie looked out the windshield again, trained in the prevention of carsickness.

安妮·玛丽再次向挡风玻璃外望去,她接受过预防晕车的训练。

"They could help decorate our tree," she said.

“他们可以帮助装饰我们的树,”她说。

"I think they want to find their car," Everett said.

“我认为他们想找到他们的车,”埃弗里特说。

Anne Marie turned back in her seat.

安妮·玛丽转回座位。

"Do you want to help with our tree?" "Honey, they're busy," Pam said.

“你愿意帮忙修整我们的树吗?” “亲爱的,他们很忙,”帕姆说。

"I would love that more than anything in the world," Bonnie said.

“我比世界上任何东西都更喜欢这个,”邦妮说。

"No," her husband said.

“不,”她的丈夫说。

"Baby, please," Bonnie said.

“宝贝,拜托,”邦妮说。

"We've never had a tree." "Leave these people alone," Clyde said.

“我们从来没有过一棵树。” “别管这些人,”克莱德说。

Everett stopped at the police station.

埃弗里特在警察局停了下来。

He untied the rope and opened the back of the Jimmy for his passengers.

他解开绳子,为乘客打开吉米车的后部。

Clyde didn't get out right away.

克莱德没有立即出去。

He said in a low voice to Pam, "Look, I'm really sorry about this.

他低声对帕姆说:“听着,我对此感到非常抱歉。

Thank you for the ride." Then he climbed out, past Everett, and walked with what seemed like dignity into the station.

谢谢你搭车。”然后他下了车,经过埃弗雷特,带着一种看上去很尊严的样子走进了车站。

Bonnie sat on the boughs with her legs straight out and gave Everett a forlorn look.

邦妮坐在树枝上,双腿伸直,绝望地看了埃弗雷特一眼。

In her fur hat, she looked like a Russian doll.

戴着毛皮帽子的她看起来就像一个俄罗斯娃娃。

Pam had leaned forward and was talking quietly to Anne Marie in the front seat.

帕姆身体前倾,正在与前排座位上的安妮·玛丽小声交谈。

"Why don't you go make your report," Everett told Bonnie.

“你为什么不去做报告呢?”埃弗雷特告诉邦妮。

"See what they can do.

“看看他们能做什么。

I'll go home and unload and then come back and get you both."

我会回家卸货,然后回来接你们俩。”

Two things happened at once, as in a movie-- one close up and one in deep focus.

两件事同时发生,就像在电影中一样——一件事是特写,另一件事是深焦。

Bonnie broke into a brilliant tear-sparkled smile, and Pam's leaning form stiffened and she half turned her head.

邦妮绽放出灿烂的笑容,泪光闪闪,帕姆倾斜的身体僵硬了,她半转过头。

Then she looked away and occupied herself more fiercely with Anne Marie.

然后她把目光移开,更加专注地看着安妮·玛丽。

Bonnie clambered out of the back and kissed the side of Everett's mouth, her wool-bundled breasts pressing against him for a long second.

邦妮从后面爬出来,亲吻埃弗雷特的嘴边,她的羊毛包裹的乳房紧紧地贴在他身上很长一段时间。

"Thank you," she said.

“谢谢你,”她说。

Embarrassed, Everett stepped back and unlashed the skis and poles from the roof.

埃弗雷特感到尴尬,退后一步,从屋顶上解开滑雪板和滑雪杆。

He gave them to Bonnie, and she stood with the spiky bundle in her arms as Everett pulled away.

他把它们交给了邦妮,当埃弗雷特离开时,邦妮站在那儿,怀里抱着尖尖的包裹。

Pam said nothing as they drove.

他们开车时帕姆什么也没说。

Their daughter must have felt the tension in the air.

他们的女儿一定感受到了空气中的紧张气氛。

Everett whistled "chestnuts roasting on an open fire," for lack of anything more sensible to do.

埃弗雷特吹起了“在明火上烤栗子”的口哨,因为没有什么更明智的事情可做。

At the house, he park the Jimmy and started untied the tree.

在家里,他把吉米车停好,然后开始解树。

Pam pulled the boughs out of the back, dumped them on the front deck, and took Anne Marie inside.

帕姆从后面拔出树枝,把它们扔到前甲板上,然后把安妮·玛丽带了进去。

Everett carried the tree around to the sliding glass door and tugged on the handle.

埃弗雷特把树搬到滑动玻璃门前,拉动门把手。

The door didn't open.

门没有打开。

He thought it might be frozen.

他认为它可能被冻结了。

He tugged again.

他又用力一拉。

They never locked the doors.

他们从不锁门。

He went around the corner of the deck and pulled on the other sliding glass door, the one to the kitchen.

他绕过甲板的拐角,拉上另一扇滑动玻璃门,那扇是通往厨房的。

It was locked too.

它也被锁了。

He rapped on the glass, and Pam came to it.

他敲了敲玻璃,帕姆走到了玻璃边。

"The door's locked," he said, pointing to the handle.

“门锁上了,”他指着门把手说道。

"Say you're not going back for them."

“说你不会回去找他们。”

The tree was heavy on his shoulder, and he stood it up on the deck, holding the slender trunk through the branches.

这棵树压在他的肩上很重,他把它立在甲板上,通过树枝握住细长的树干。

He studied it.

他研究了它。

It was a fine tree.

那是一棵好树。

He turned back to his wife.

他转身面向他的妻子。

"It's Christmas," he said.

“今天是圣诞节,”他说。

"I don't want them here," she said through the glass.

“我不想让他们在这里,”她透过玻璃说道。

"Say you won't go." "Did you lock all the doors?" "Say it," she said.

“说你不走。” “你把所有的门都锁了吗?” “说吧,”她说。

He sighed.

他叹了口气。

The temperature dropped, and it was cold.

气温下降了,很冷。

"I won't go back for them," he said.

“我不会回去找他们,”他说。

"I'll leave them stranded and unhappy without a tree at Christmas time.

“圣诞节期间如果没有一棵树,我会让他们陷入困境,不开心。

Are you happy?" "They're crazy," she said.

你高兴吗?” “他们疯了,”她说。

"Of course they are.

“当然是。

Now let me in."

现在让我进去吧。”

She unlocked the door.

她打开门。

He carried the tree through the kitchen, set it up in the corner of the living room, and turned it until the bare side faced the wall.

他拎着树穿过厨房,把它放在客厅的角落里,然后转动它,直到光秃秃的一面面向墙壁。

Pam was right.

帕姆是对的。

It looked like a lopsided bush.

它看起来像一棵倾斜的灌木丛。

Anne Marie clapped her hands in approval.

安妮·玛丽拍手表示赞同。

He showed her how to fill the reservoir in the stand with water.

他向她展示了如何给摊位上的水箱注水。

Then he crumpled the newspaper in the fireplace, built the hut of kindling, and set it alight.

然后他把报纸揉成一团,放进壁炉里,搭起引火物的小屋,然后把它点燃。

Pam called the police station to renege on the hospitality, asking them to deliver the message to the people whose car was stolen.

帕姆打电话给警察局,要求他们将消息转达给汽车被盗的人。

Everett strung lights on the tree and lifted Anne Marie to put the angel on top.

埃弗里特把灯串在树上,然后举起安妮·玛丽,把天使放在树上。

There wasn't really a single top to the tree, but he helped her pick one.

树上其实没有一个树顶,但他帮她摘了一个。

Pam moved around the kitchen, making dinner.

帕姆在厨房里走来走去,做晚饭。

Anne Marie gamely kept up an almost professional patter, like a hostess who knows her party has gone wrong and her guests are miserable.

安妮·玛丽顽强地保持着近乎专业的喋喋不休,就像一位女主人知道她的聚会出了问题,她的客人们很痛苦。

Everett sat in a big chair between the fireplace and the kitchen, feeling the soreness from chopping and hauling set in.

埃弗雷特坐在壁炉和厨房之间的一张大椅子上,感受到切菜和拖拉带来的酸痛。

He wasn't 25 anymore.

他已经不再是25岁了。

Leaving a pot of soup on the stove, Pam made a juniper swag for the mantelpiece, her slimness in jeans set off by the firelight.

帕姆把一锅汤放在炉子上,在壁炉架上做了一个杜松木小玩意儿,火光衬托出她穿着牛仔裤的苗条身材。

She nestled three white candles among the branches, evenly spaced, and lit them.

她在树枝间均匀地放了三支白蜡烛,然后点燃了它们。

Everett watch her, thinking about the fact that she was Clyde's type and wondering why he still wanted to go get the outlaws and put himself in the way of temptation.

埃弗雷特看着她,想着她是克莱德喜欢的类型,并想知道为什么他仍然想去抓捕歹徒并让自己陷入诱惑。

Pam turned from the mantel.

帕姆从壁炉架上转过身来。

There was sometimes a funny, ironic smile that came over her face when she caught him looking at her, a grownup smile, at once confident and self-deprecating.

有时,当她发现他看着她时,她的脸上会浮现出一种滑稽、讽刺的微笑,一种成熟的微笑,既自信又自嘲。

But now she looked defiant and young.

但现在她看起来既年轻又挑衅。

Pam put a hand on her hip.

帕姆把手放在臀部上。

"Look, if you want to go get them, just go." "They'll have gone by now," he said, with a catch in his voice.

“听着,如果你想去找他们,就走吧。” “他们现在应该已经走了,”他说道,声音有些哽咽。

Pam threw the burnt matches into the fire.

帕姆把烧焦的火柴扔进火里。

In the kitchen, she put the matchbook in the kitchen drawer, then she dialed the phone, watching Everett as if waiting for him to stop her.

到了厨房,她把火柴盒放进厨房抽屉里,然后拨通了电话,看着埃弗雷特,仿佛在等他阻止她。

"I called earlier about the couple with the stolen car," she said in her business-like phone voice.

“我早些时候打电话询问那对夫妇的汽车被盗的情况,”她用公事公办的电话声音说道。

"Are they still there?"

“他们还在吗?”

She waited, looking out the dark, glass door she had locked against him.

她等待着,看着她锁在他身上的黑暗玻璃门。

"Hi, Bonnie," she said into the phone.

“嗨,邦妮,”她对着电话说。

"It's Pam from the car.

“是车里的帕姆。

We picked you up.

我们接你了。

Hi." Her laugh sounded social, but Everett could hear the nervousness in it.

嗨。”她的笑声听起来很社交,但埃弗雷特能听出其中的紧张。

"No, I don't think I introduced myself.

“不,我想我没有自我介绍。

Do you still want to help with the tree?

你还想帮忙修树吗?

Everett could run down and get you."

埃弗雷特可以跑下去抓你。”

She paused, listening.

她停下来,听着。

"Put Clyde on," she said, and she turned away from Everett.

“穿上克莱德,”她说着,转身背对埃弗雷特。

He watched the curve of his wife's ass as she leaned on the kitchen counter, lifting her right foot and nervously tapping the toe on the floor.

他看着妻子靠在厨房柜台上的臀部曲线,抬起右脚,紧张地用脚趾敲击地板。

"Clyde," she said, "please come up for dinner.

“克莱德,”她说,“请上来吃晚饭。

Anne Marie would love to show off the tree.

安妮·玛丽很想炫耀这棵树。

Really, we'd love it.

真的,我们会喜欢的。

Good, he'll be right down." She hung up the phone and turned to Everett.

很好,他马上就下来。”她挂断电话,转向埃弗雷特。

"Merry Christmas," she said.

“圣诞快乐,”她说。

He was not sure how to behave.

他不知道该怎么做。

Anne Marie was still decorating the lower branches of the tree.

安妮·玛丽仍在装饰树的下部树枝。

"So," Pam said.

“所以,”帕姆说。

She stirred the pot on the stove with a wooden spoon, "Do you want to go get them?" Everett pushed himself out of the chair.

她用木勺搅拌着炉子上的锅,“你要去拿吗?”埃弗雷特从椅子上站了起来。

"Want to come along, Anne Marie?" he asked.

“安妮·玛丽,你想一起去吗?”他问道。

His daughter looked up at him.

他的女儿抬头看着他。

"Are you going to get those people?" "Yes," he said, "to help with the tree."

“你要去抓那些人吗?” “是的,”他说,“帮忙修树。”

Anne Marie nodded, untangling the loop of string on a tiny ukulele.

安妮·玛丽点点头,解开一把小尤克里里琴上的绳圈。

"I'll stay here," she said.

“我会留在这里,”她说。

He kissed his wife goodbye on the top of her head.

他在妻子的头顶上吻别。

Was she attracted to Clyde?

她被克莱德吸引了吗?

He wanted to take off her clothes right now and see.

他现在就想把她的衣服脱了看看。

He was conscious of his own breathing, and he could tell she was unsteady.

他能感觉到自己的呼吸,也能看出她的呼吸有些不稳定。

"It's Christmastime," he said.

“现在是圣诞节,”他说。

"I'll be right back."

“我马上回来。”

He went out into the cold air.

他走到寒冷的空气中。

The Jimmy started up easily, and he had it in low gear down the hill toward town.

吉米车轻松启动,他以低档开下山,驶向城镇。

He wanted to decide as he drove what they were doing.

他想在开车时决定他们在做什么。

He wanted to separate his impulse to be a good Samaritan from the kiss on the corner of his mouth.

他想把自己想做个好撒玛利亚人的冲动和嘴角的吻分开。

Bonnie did not, he was fairly sure, just want to hang angels on a tree.

他相当确定,邦尼只是想把天使挂在树上。

Clyde's asking her to move in with his mistress had put her in a giddy, reckless mood, and Everett was the beneficiary.

克莱德要求她搬去和他的情妇同住,这让她陷入了一种轻率、鲁莽的情绪,而埃弗雷特就是受益者。

He wasn't going to think about Clyde's low, sincere apology to Pam or about Pam turning away on the phone to ask Clyde to come to the house.

他不会去想克莱德向帕姆低声而真诚的道歉,也不会去想帕姆在电话里转身邀请克莱德到家里来。

Although he found he wanted very much to think about that.

尽管他发现自己非常想考虑这一点。

He thought instead about Anne Marie and how the evening might work out for her.

相反,他想到了安妮·玛丽,以及这个晚上对她来说会如何。

The lesson about not abandoning people was a good one.

关于不抛弃人的教训是很好的。

The silent, submerged unhappiness of the evening couldn't be good for a kid.

晚上沉默的、被淹没的不快乐对一个孩子来说可不是什么好事。

And now it was gone, dissolved by Pam's call into the buzz of unsettled excitement.

现在一切都消失了,被帕姆的呼唤消散在不安的兴奋的嗡嗡声中。

The streets were dark and empty, the houses warm with light.

街道又黑又空,房子里却充满了温暖的灯光。

He wanted to keep thinking, but he was at the station before he'd sorted things out.

他想继续思考,但还没等他想清楚就已经到了车站。

And Bonnie was waiting on the curb.

邦妮正在路边等着。

She climbed into the front seat and kicked the snow off her boots.

她爬进前座,踢掉靴子上的雪。

"Hi," she said, and she clutched her hands in her lap.

“嗨,”她说,双手紧握在腿上。

She shuddered once from nervousness or cold.

有一次她因紧张或寒冷而颤抖。

"Clyde'll be here in a second," she said, "he's signing something about the car." "OK," he said.

“克莱德一会儿就到,”她说,“他正在签署一些关于这辆车的东西。” “好吧,”他说。

She looked at Everett and seemed about to say something, and then she was in his arms.

她看着埃弗雷特,似乎要说什么,然后她就躺在了他的怀里。

He gathered her up as well as he could given her thick coat and the awkward position and kissed her sweet face.

他尽可能地把她抱起来,给她厚厚的外套和尴尬的姿势,吻了吻她甜美的脸。

Her cheeks were cold, but her lips were warm, and she was trembling.

她的脸颊冰冷,但嘴唇却很温暖,她在颤抖。

The peacoat was unbuttoned and he reached inside to feel the curve of her breast through her sweater.

短大衣的扣子解开,他把手伸进去,隔着毛衣感受她乳房的曲线。

A second later, they pulled apart and Bonnie smoothed her hair.

一秒钟后,他们分开了,邦妮抚平了她的头发。

The lighted glass door of the police station opened, and Clyde walked with his long stride toward them and got in the backseat.

警察局亮着灯的玻璃门打开了,克莱德迈着大步朝他们走来,坐进了后座。

Everett thought there must be a smell in the car from the kiss, an electricity.

埃弗雷特认为,这个吻一定让车里产生了一股气味,一种电流。

But the husband said nothing, and Everett drove the outlaws back to his house.

但丈夫什么也没说,埃弗雷特把歹徒赶回了他的家。

They talked about the stolen car, and the cold, and the tree.

他们谈论了被盗的汽车、寒冷和那棵树。

All the while, Everett felt both the threat of disorder and the steady, thrumming promise of having everything he wanted all at once.

一直以来,埃弗里特既感受到了混乱的威胁,也感受到了他想要的一切的稳定而有力的承诺。

Maile Meloy.

梅勒·梅洛伊.

This story appears in her book, Both Ways is the Only Way I Want It.

这个故事出现在她的书《双向是我想要的唯一方式》中。

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Coming up, why some Republican leaders in North Carolina are feeling weird about Santa Claus this year.

接下来,为什么北卡罗来纳州的一些共和党领导人今年对圣诞老人感到奇怪。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Our program today, Just What I Wanted.

我们今天的节目,正是我想要的。

We've arrived at Act Two of our program, Act Two.

我们已经到了节目的第二幕,第二幕。

He's making a list, checking it nice.

他正在列一份清单,并仔细检查。

Gonna find out who voted twice.

要找出谁投了两次票。

So this fall, what certain Republicans thought they would discover under the tree was proof of voter fraud.

因此,今年秋天,某些共和党人认为他们会在树下发现选民欺诈的证据。

This, of course, is one of the big divisive issues that separate the Right and the Left in our country.

当然,这是我国左派和右派之间最大的分歧问题之一。

Democrats in the mainstream media point out that there is no evidence of significant voter fraud happening in our elections.

主流媒体中的民主党人指出,没有证据表明我们的选举中发生了重大选民欺诈。

Republicans say that it easily could be happening, given the way our elections are run, and we do not have the tools to track it.

共和党人表示,考虑到我们的选举方式,这种情况很容易发生,而且我们没有跟踪它的工具。

And this year, the place where the search has been the most intense for voter fraud was North Carolina.

今年,选民欺诈调查最激烈的地方是北卡罗来纳州。

And this time, Zoe Chace reports, Republicans really had moments when they thought they had found proof of organized fraud.

佐伊·查斯报道说,这一次,共和党人确实有过认为自己找到了有组织欺诈的证据的时刻。

The man leading the hunt for voter fraud in North Carolina is Dallas Woodhouse, executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party.

北卡罗来纳州领导追查选民欺诈行为的人是北卡罗来纳州共和党执行董事达拉斯·伍德豪斯(Dallas Woodhouse)。

Picture a Southern party boss.

想象一下南方党的老板。

It's probably Dallas-- white guy in an Oxford shirt, bottom buttons undone, loafers, no socks--

可能是达拉斯——穿着牛津衬衫的白人,解开底部的纽扣,穿着乐福鞋,没穿袜子——

Are you really smoking a cigar right now?

你现在真的在抽雪茄吗?

I am.

我是。

Zoe Chace --a cigar in the corner of his mouth.

佐伊·查斯——嘴角叼着一支雪茄。

Younger and handsomer than you're imagining, I think.

我想,比你想象的更年轻、更英俊。

He used to be a TV anchor.

他曾经是一名电视主播。

He's trying to cut back on cigars since the election ended.

自选举结束以来,他正试图减少雪茄的消费。

I point out there have been a lot of studies looking into voter fraud that conclude voter fraud is minuscule, almost nonexistent.

我指出,有很多研究调查选民欺诈,得出的结论是选民欺诈很小,几乎不存在。

I think that if you see any study, there is no study that ever points to--

我认为如果你看到任何研究,没有任何研究表明——

You know, look, look.

你知道,看看,看看。

Zoe Chace Look, I've got to say this.

佐伊·切斯(Zoe Chace) 听着,我必须这么说。

Don't show me studies.

别给我看学业。

Academics, I mean, a bunch of knuckleheads, pointy-headed professors.

我的意思是,学者们,一群笨蛋、尖刻的教授。

We deal in the real world.

我们在现实世界中打交道。

In the real world, Dallas looks for voter fraud, he will tell you, as a matter of principle.

他会告诉你,在现实世界中,达拉斯原则上会寻找选民欺诈行为。

There was also a numbers game going on this November.

今年十一月还进行了一场数字游戏。

The Republican governor of North Carolina refused to concede the election for weeks because it was such a close race.

北卡罗来纳州共和党州长几周来拒绝承认选举结果,因为这是一场势均力敌的竞选。

At the moment I met Dallas, the governor was down just 8,500 votes out of 4.7 million.

当我见到达拉斯时,这位州长在 470 万张选票中仅落后 8,500 张。

There were other close races also.

还有其他一些势均力敌的比赛。

Dallas was out running down every claim of voter fraud around the state.

达拉斯对全州所有有关选民欺诈的指控进行了驳斥。

His team accused people of voting twice.

他的团队指责人们投票两次。

That was dismissed.

那被驳回了。

People who voted when they were dead, that was dismissed.

死后投票的人被驳回了。

Felons who voted.

投票的重罪犯。

Yeah, but we made a challenge.

是的,但我们提出了挑战。

It ended up not being correct, of a person who showed up on the felon list.

对于一个出现在重罪犯名单上的人来说,结果是不正确的。

And we found somebody that voted, had the same first name, same last name, same birth date.

我们发现有人投票,有相同的名字、相同的姓氏、相同的出生日期。

It turns out it wasn't the same person.

原来这不是同一个人。

It seems like to me you have to make an attempt to address that.

在我看来,你必须尝试解决这个问题。

Dallas found 24 ineligible felons out of 43 they accused.

达拉斯在他们指控的 43 名重罪犯中发现了 24 名不符合资格的重罪犯。

He's not perfect.

他并不完美。

Look, I'm not-- the only perfect person I know walked on water, and he's my Savior, Jesus Christ.

看,我不是我认识的唯一在水上行走的完美人,他是我的救主耶稣基督。

We are not perfect.

我们并不完美。

The day we talk, Dallas has a smoking gun, a few hundred ballots in the southeast of the state, lots with the same handwriting on them.

我们谈话的那天,达拉斯有确凿证据,该州东南部有几百张选票,很多选票上都有相同的笔迹。

Jackpot.

大奖。

He takes a breath.

他吸了一口气。

They do realize that 300 or 400 write-in votes can't be done by one person.

他们确实意识到,300 或 400 张写入选票不可能由一个人完成。

They do realize that's illegal.

他们确实意识到这是非法的。

Here's what happened.

事情是这样的。

Down in Bladen County, North Carolina, this guy Brian was going through absentee balance at the Board of Elections.

在北卡罗来纳州布莱登县,布莱恩正在选举委员会处理缺席平衡问题。

He's a board member, a Republican.

他是董事会成员,共和党人。

His job was to scrutinize each ballot as it came out of the machine.

他的工作是仔细检查从机器中出来的每张选票。

He's heard a lot about voter fraud, never seen it before, but he believes it's widespread.

他听说过很多关于选民欺诈的事,以前从未见过,但他相信这种现象很普遍。

He's heard a lot about it on the news.

他在新闻中听到过很多这件事。

His eyes are peeled.

他的眼睛已经脱皮了。

And then he notices something.

然后他注意到了一些事情。

Way down at the bottom of the ballot, there was room for a write-in candidate, the county soil and water district supervisor.

在选票的最下面,有一个地方可以容纳一名填报候选人,即县土壤和水区主管。

And he kept seeing the name Franklin Graham.

他不断看到富兰克林·格雷厄姆这个名字。

And it looked like the same handwriting a lot of times.

而且很多时候看起来都是同一个笔迹。

He demonstrates by writing the name in my notebook.

他通过在我的笔记本上写下名字来演示。

Every time I write this, my R's are going to be the same.

每次我写这篇文章时,我的 R 都会是一样的。

My A's are pretty much going to be the same.

我的 A 几乎是一样的。

My K's are going to be the same.

我的 K 也会一样。

So if I write it again as you watch.

所以如果你看的时候我再写一遍。

Franklin Graham.

富兰克林·格雷厄姆.

Brian You see similarities between certain letters every time.

布莱恩 你每次都会看到某些字母之间的相似之处。

Like how many times?

好像有几次?

Brian Considerable, I would say, I don't, 50 to 100.

Brian相当,我会说,我不,50到100。

You could infer that.

你可以这样推断。

Zoe Chace In all, maybe 300 ballots.

Zoe Chace 总共可能有 300 张选票。

Brian is a paramedic.

布莱恩是一名护理人员。

He's used to looking at EKG waveforms.

他习惯于查看心电图波形。

He says he has an eye for patterns like the way someone writes their name.

他说他对模式有敏锐的洞察力,比如某人写名字的方式。

Brian is also pretty careful.

布莱恩也很小心。

He wasn't sure it was fraud.

他不确定这是否是欺诈。

But it looked suspicious.

但看起来很可疑。

I wouldn't infer that, because obviously I'm not an expert.

我不会这样推断,因为显然我不是专家。

But you could infer that.

但你可以这样推断。

Come on.

来吧。

You cannot look at me in a straight face and think the same handwriting puts in several hundred votes for one person and not call that fraud.

你不能一本正经地看着我,认为同样的字迹会给一个人带来几百张选票,而不称之为欺诈。

That is the definition of fraud.

这就是欺诈的定义。

It wasn't just one person's handwriting.

这不仅仅是一个人的笔迹。

It was around a dozen people.

人数大约有十几人。

Dallas has a term for what he thinks this is.

达拉斯有一个术语来描述他所认为的东西。

He calls it an absentee ballot mill.

他称之为缺席选票机。

This is what he pictures when he hears about all these ballots with the same handwriting on them.

当他听说所有这些选票上都写着同样的笔迹时,他脑海中浮现出这样的画面。

Key Democratic operatives, running around searching for old people who barely know their own names and then filling out ballots for them.

民主党的主要工作人员四处寻找几乎不知道自己名字的老人,然后为他们填写选票。

A blatant scheme, Dallas thinks, that gins up votes for the Democrats.

达拉斯认为,这是一个公然的计划,可以为民主党赢得选票。

And the Democratic governor, remember, is only up by a couple thousand votes.

请记住,民主党州长仅领先几千票。

Should the election board find that these are absentee ballot mills, with the purpose of fraudulent voting, those people should go to jail.

如果选举委员会发现这些是缺席选票厂,目的是欺诈投票,那么这些人应该入狱。

They should go to jail.

他们应该进监狱。

They should spend the first term of the Trump administration behind bars.

他们应该在监狱里度过特朗普政府的第一个任期。

I go down south to meet the victims of the alleged scheme, the democratic voters of Bladen County.

我南下会见了该计划的受害者,即布莱登县的民主党选民。

It is an unusual interviewing situation.

这是一次不寻常的面试情况。

She's out of New York.

她不在纽约。

She has a talk radio show.

她有一个谈话广播节目。

I'm at a senior center in this classroom.

我在这个教室的高级中心。

I'm standing up at the front with a microphone like a teacher.

我像老师一样拿着麦克风站在前面。

There are rows of older people sitting quietly, staring back at me.

一排排老人静静地坐着,盯着我。

Their dominoes game is sealed up in a Tupperware.

他们的多米诺骨牌游戏被密封在特百惠中。

I go from person to person and ask each one about their vote while everyone else silently watches.

我逐一询问每个人的投票情况,而其他人则默默地观看。

It's awkward.

很尴尬。

Her name is Lula Pearl Graham.

她的名字叫卢拉·珀尔·格雷厄姆。

She did vote absentee this year.

她今年确实缺席投票。

She says someone helped her get an absentee ballot in.

她说有人帮助她获得了一张缺席选票。

This person worked with a political PAC, the Bladen County Improvement Association PAC.

此人曾与一个政治政治行动委员会(即布莱登县改进协会政治行动委员会)合作。

And she followed their advice on how to vote.

她听从了他们关于如何投票的建议。

They gave her a sample ballot with a slate of endorsed candidates.

他们给了她一张样本选票,其中列出了一系列认可的候选人。

Did you know everybody who you were voting for on the ballot this year?

您认识今年您在选票上投票的每个人吗?

No, I didn't.

不,我没有。

Zoe Chace But did you know who you were voting for for governor?

佐伊·切斯(Zoe Chace)但是您知道您投票给谁作为州长吗?

Yeah.

是的。

Zoe Chace OK.

佐伊·切斯 好的。

What about for soil and water?

那么土壤和水呢?

Can I ask you who you voted for there?

我能问一下你在那里投票给了谁吗?

Do you know?

你知道吗?

I don't remember.

我不记得了。

Zoe Chace But do you trust their recommendations?

Zoe Chace 但你相信他们的建议吗?

The PAC with the sample ballot and everything?

政治行动委员会有样本选票和一切吗?

Why?

为什么?

Lula Pearl Graham Because when you don't know the people, they'll tell you-- they explain them to you.

Lula Pearl Graham 因为当你不认识这些人时,他们会告诉你——他们向你解释。

So you say, well, I would like to vote here, but I don't know who this is.

所以你说,好吧,我想在这里投票,但我不知道这是谁。

They tell you.

他们告诉你。

What she's describing doesn't sound illegal.

她所描述的听起来并不违法。

If the PAC bought her vote, it would be illegal.

如果政治行动委员会收买了她的选票,那将是非法的。

If the PAC threatened her, it would be illegal.

如果 PAC 威胁她,那就是非法的。

Giving someone a slate of candidates to vote for is not illegal.

向某人提供一系列候选人供其投票并不违法。

Having someone assist you in filling out your ballot is not illegal.

让某人协助您填写选票并不违法。

Though if you do assist someone, you're supposed to give them some space while they actually vote and then sign the envelope saying you assisted them.

不过,如果你确实帮助某人,你应该在他们实际投票时给他们一些空间,然后在信封上签名说你帮助了他们。

But I do think if Dallas, the Republican guy, chewed his cigar into this room and heard Lula Pearl talk, he would be horrified, based on how he thinks about this stuff.

但我确实认为,如果达拉斯,这位共和党人,在这个房间里嚼着雪茄,听到卢拉·珀尔讲话,基于他对这件事的看法,他会感到震惊。

Under a select few circumstances, you can get assistance from a relative or somebody who declares your help.

在某些特定情况下,您可以从亲戚或向您提供帮助的人那里获得帮助。

Now, that is intended to be a neighbor helping a neighbor, a friend helping a friend.

现在,这意味着邻居帮助邻居,朋友帮助朋友。

If somebody is going out there and helping hundreds of people, they are harvesting ballots.

如果有人出去帮助数百人,他们就是在收获选票。

For Dallas, Lula Pearl saying she doesn't know anything about the candidates she's voting for but votes for them anyway, at the suggestion of volunteers who get $35 a day reimbursement for gas and food, that's shady to Dallas on its face.

对于达拉斯,卢拉·珀​​尔表示,她对自己投票的候选人一无所知,但无论如何,根据每天获得 35 美元汽油和食物报销的志愿者的建议,她投票给了他们,这对达拉斯来说是不光彩的。

If it's not technically illegal, it should be.

如果它在技术上不违法,那就应该是。

It's supposed to be one person, one vote.

应该是一个人一票。

As soon as you have one person helping lots and lots of people vote, it feels like a scheme to him.

一旦有人帮助很多人投票,对他来说这就像一个计划。

Lula Pearl sees it differently.

卢拉·珀尔 (Lula Pearl) 却有不同的看法。

Having a volunteer come to the house makes it easier for her to vote.

让志愿者来到家里让她更容易投票。

She wants it.

她想要它。

I don't drive, and I have two knee implants.

我不开车,但我有两个膝盖植入物。

Sometimes it's difficult to get around.

有时很难四处走动。

So somebody would come and pick me up.

所以会有人来接我。

But sometimes I don't feel like going that way.

但有时我不想走那条路。

So I just let someone come and vote for me and let-- come and let me fill out the application.

所以我只是让某人来为我投票,然后让我填写申请表。

And then it goes, and it comes back.

然后它走了,又回来了。

Voting is very important to her.

投票对她来说非常重要。

She feels like, why shouldn't it be easy?

她觉得,为什么不简单呢?

My mother and my father, they marched all the way from Selma, Alabama to Birmingham, Alabama for the right for me to vote.

我的母亲和父亲,他们从阿拉巴马州塞尔玛一路游行到阿拉巴马州伯明翰,为我争取投票权。

And I'm going to vote.

我要投票。

This is, in fact, why this organization that helped her with the ballot exists, the Bladen County Improvement Association PAC.

事实上,这就是帮助她投票的组织——布莱登县改进协会 PAC 存在的原因。

It exists to protect the vote for black people in the community.

它的存在是为了保护社区中黑人的投票权。

The head of the PAC is Horace Munn.

PAC 的负责人是霍勒斯·穆恩 (Horace Munn)。

Horace Munn-- for a man allegedly at the center of a blatant scheme to rig an election-- Horace is pretty easy to find.

霍勒斯·穆恩(Horace Munn)——据称是一个公然操纵选举计划的中心人物——霍勒斯很容易找到。

Like, I couldn't get any service on my phone driving down to Bladen County, so I went into this convenience store at the side of the road.

就像,我开车去布莱登县的手机上无法获得任何服务,所以我走进了路边的这家便利店。

Tammy let me use her phone.

塔米让我用她的电话。

She goes, oh, you're talking to Horace?

她说,哦,你在和霍勒斯说话吗?

That's my godfather.

那是我的教父。

Let me have the phone.

让我拿着电话。

Horace, where do you want me to send her?

霍拉斯,你想让我送她去哪里?

He was at the town hall in East Arcadia.

他在东阿卡迪亚的市政厅。

He's on the town council.

他是镇议会的成员。

He's the fire chief.

他是消防队长。

Horace is a former soldier, a paratrooper, got the Bronze Star in the First Gulf War.

霍勒斯是一名前士兵,一名伞兵,在第一次海湾战争中获得了铜星勋章。

He uses that old civil rights era language like, I fought for freedom abroad, but we're not free at home.

他使用了民权时代的旧语言,比如,我在国外为自由而战,但我们在国内并不自由。

I served to make sure that we all get freedom in America.

我的职责是确保我们所有人在美国都获得自由。

And I come home, and I find out that they say that we're free but in actuality, we're not.

我回到家,发现他们说我们是自由的,但实际上,我们不是。

They say things are equal, but in actuality, they're not.

他们说一切都是平等的,但实际上并非如此。

Meaning black voters in this area have been subject to extra scrutiny, to harassment, extra rules, all things that keep them from voting.

这意味着该地区的黑人选民受到了额外的审查、骚扰、额外的规则,以及所有阻止他们投票的因素。

This is how Horace sees it.

贺拉斯就是这么看的。

The PAC exists to get people to the polls and also bring black people together as a voting bloc.

政治行动委员会的存在是为了让人们参加投票,并将黑人聚集在一起作为一个投票团体。

And he says, yes, his group was behind the campaign to get people to write in Franklin Graham for soil and water supervisor.

他说,是的,他的团队支持了一项运动,让人们为土壤和水主管写富兰克林·格雷厄姆的文章。

And he explains it.

他解释了这一点。

Basically, there was an incumbent running unopposed.

基本上,现任者没有遇到任何反对。

They did not like him.

他们不喜欢他。

So Horace decided, let's get my buddy Franklin Graham on the ballot.

所以霍勒斯决定,让我的好友富兰克林·格雷厄姆也参与投票吧。

Well, I missed the window.

好吧,我错过了窗户。

I missed the window to get his name placed on the ballot.

我错过了把他的名字写在选票上的窗口。

Does Franklin Graham actually know anything about what it takes to take care of soil and water as a district supervisor?

富兰克林·格雷厄姆真的知道作为地区主管如何保护土壤和水吗?

No. Zoe Chace The soil and water supervisor, as far as I can figure, keeps the water from being contaminated by the soil and the soil from being eroded by the water.

不。 Zoe Chace 据我所知,土壤和水主管负责防止水被土壤污染以及土壤被水侵蚀。

In any way, the incumbent didn't have any special expertise either when he got the job.

无论如何,现任者在上任时也没有任何特殊的专长。

That's what Horace thinks.

贺拉斯就是这么想的。

I asked Horace about why so many of the ballots seem to have Franklin Graham's name written out in the same handwriting.

我问霍勒斯,为什么这么多选票似乎都用同一个笔迹写着富兰克林·格雷厄姆的名字。

But he can't discuss the Franklin Graham thing.

但他不能讨论富兰克林·格雷厄姆的事情。

It's under investigation.

正在调查中。

And while Lula Pearl's vote seems legit, there are about 300 others that might not be.

虽然卢拉·珀尔的投票似乎合法,但还有大约 300 名其他人的投票可能不合法。

There is an official body that decides whether it's voter fraud or not, the State Board of Elections.

有一个官方机构可以决定是否构成选民欺诈,即州选举委员会。

And on a Saturday afternoon, they have a special hearing to decide who's right in this case.

周六下午,他们举行了一次特别听证会,以决定本案中谁是对的。

We are here to conduct two hearings.

我们来这里是为了举行两次听证会。

We assume jurisdiction that--

我们承担管辖权——

The board is rushing to rule on all these election protests coming in so the state can actually have a governor.

该委员会正急于对所有这些选举抗议活动做出裁决,以便该州能够真正拥有一名州长。

The Republican governor still hasn't conceded the race.

共和党州长仍未认输。

The election is up in the air.

选举悬而未决。

It's not made for TV.

它不是为电视制作的。

It's not even a courtroom.

这甚至不是法庭。

It's a badly lit press conference-style space.

这是一个光线昏暗的新闻发布会式空间。

Rows of chairs are just dragged in.

一排排椅子被拖了进来。

There are five board members who will decide things.

有五名董事会成员将做出决定。

Three Republicans, two Democrats, a big audience, a slew of lawyers at the table.

三名共和党人,两名民主党人,一大群观众,桌边还有很多律师。

Did you say the vote should be discounted or the ballots should be discounted?

你是说选票应该打折还是选票应该打折?

The governor's lawyers come off a little sloppy.

州长的律师表现得有点马虎。

Because a few hours in, the complaint starts to fall apart in this kind of mortifying way.

因为几个小时后,投诉开始以这种令人羞愧的方式崩溃。

It happens when the person who actually filed the complaint against the Bladen County Improvement Association PAC takes the stand.

当实际对布莱登县改进协会 PAC 提出投诉的人出庭时,就会发生这种情况。

How you doing, sir?

先生,你好吗?

Mccrae Dowless Doing fine, Mr. Michael.

麦克雷·道利斯 干得很好,迈克尔先生。

McCrae Dowless.

麦克雷·道利斯。

He's actually the guy who won the soil and water supervisor race in Bladen County.

他实际上是布拉登县土壤和水主管竞赛的获胜者。

And he takes the stand looking like he's not quite ready for this.

他出庭时看起来似乎还没有做好准备。

He doesn't have a suit.

他没有西装。

He's got a big beard, skinny guy, windbreaker.

他留着大胡子,瘦瘦的,穿着风衣。

And once he's up there being questioned by one of the Democrats on the Board of Elections, he seems amazingly unfamiliar with his own case.

当他在那里接受选举委员会一位民主党人的质询时,他似乎对自己的情况非常不熟悉。

You allege that there was a scheme that was taking place in Bladen County, correct?

你声称布莱登县正在实施一项计划,对吗?

That's the words that you used-- "blatant scheme"?

这就是你用的词——“明目张胆的阴谋”?

What did you mean by that?

你这是什么意思?

Scheme?

方案?

Man 5 You used the words, "resulting from a blatant scheme."

男人 5 你用了“由于公然的计划而导致”这样的词。

Are you saying I used the words or the attorney that wrote that up used the words?

你是说我用了这些词还是写这篇文章的律师用了这些词?

Well, it's got your signature at the end.

好吧,最后有你的签名。

It's got my signature here on it.

上面有我的签名。

But as far as writing that personal-- writing that up, I didn't do that.

但就写那篇个人文章而言,我并没有这样做。

The attorney did.

律师做到了。

The attorney was the one that drew the protest up.

律师是提出抗议的人。

He tries to remember who that attorney is, like what his name is.

他试图记住那位律师是谁,比如他的名字。

I can't think of the gentlemen's name.

我想不出先生们的名字。

Steve?

史蒂夫?

I can't remember his last name.

我不记得他的姓氏了。

His attorneys seem embarrassed.

他的律师似乎很尴尬。

It is embarrassing when a client who's supposedly lodging a complaint is not familiar with the complaint.

当本应提出投诉的客户不熟悉投诉内容时,这是令人尴尬的。

They try to object.

他们试图反对。

It doesn't work.

这不起作用。

McCrae just ignores his lawyers and keeps talking over them.

麦克雷只是无视他的律师并继续与他们交谈。

I look over at Horace Munn from the PAC, and he is all giddy.

我看着 PAC 的霍勒斯·穆恩 (Horace Munn),他很头晕。

He's tapping his lawyer, spinning around in his seat.

他在座位上转来转去,拍拍着他的律师。

He pulls his glasses down his nose and makes eyes at me.

他把眼镜拉下鼻梁,对我看了一眼。

The hearing goes on for five hours.

听证会持续五个小时。

Some people who wrote in the name Franklin Graham on 300-odd ballots broke the rules by not signing the envelope, saying they assisted the voters in filling out the ballots.

一些在300多张选票上以富兰克林·格雷厄姆的名义写下选票的人违反规定,没有在信封上签名,称他们协助选民填写选票。

But over those hours, no one disputes that real voters cast those votes.

但在那几个小时里,没有人质疑真正的选民投票。

Finally, one of the Republicans on the election's board says he's not buying this as a massive ballot scheme that's thwarting the Republican governor.

最后,选举委员会的一位共和党人表示,他并不认为这是一项阻碍共和党州长的大规模投票计划。

There does not appear to be any dispute that the signatures of the voters on all the ballots are proper.

所有选票上选民签名的正确性似乎没有任何争议。

And I think that's something that I would have to hear before all of you wanting to throw out a lot of ballots.

我认为,在你们所有人想要投出大量选票之前,我必须听到这一点。

The complaint is dismissed, 3 to 2.

申诉以 3 比 2 被驳回。

Dreams of the perfect Republican Christmas gift melt away.

完美的共和党圣诞礼物的梦想破灭了。

I can't say for sure, but in talking to reporters, election board members, activists, it seems that no one in North Carolina was able to find a single case of true voter fraud, where someone deliberately impersonates someone else, casts a ballot in their name, real fraud, except possibly one case.

我不能肯定地说,但在与记者、选举委员会成员、活动人士交谈时,北卡罗来纳州似乎没有人能够找到一例真正的选民欺诈案件,即有人故意冒充他人,以自己的名义投票,真正的欺诈案件,除了可能的一个案件。

One.

一。

And that one comes out in a very strange twist during this same hearing, just not where the Republicans were looking.

在同一次听证会上,这一结果出现了一个非常奇怪的转折,而不是共和党人所关注的地方。

One of the board members starts asking McCrae, their incumbent Republican soil and water supervisor, about whether his side had committed voter fraud.

一名董事会成员开始询问现任共和党土壤和水主管麦克雷,询问他的一方是否犯有选民欺诈行为。

So you keep saying GOTV, does that mean--

所以你一直说 GOTV,这是否意味着——

You get paper.

你得到纸。

Mccrae Dowless Get out the vote.

麦克雷·道利斯 出去投票。

And what exactly was it that she got paid to do?

她拿钱到底是做什么的?

Here's what tumbles out of McCrae under the board's questioning.

以下是麦克雷在董事会的质询下得出的结论。

He had some people working for him, getting out the vote-- volunteers, McCrae calls them.

他有一些人为他工作,负责投票——麦克雷称他们为志愿者。

The volunteers, though, were allegedly getting paid for each ballot they turned in.

不过,据称志愿者每上交一张选票都会获得报酬。

That is illegal.

那是非法的。

One of the voters who signed an affidavit said that Get Out the Vote workers came by and had her family request absentee ballots.

一名签署宣誓书的选民表示,“出去投票”工作人员过来让她的家人要求缺席选票。

But then they never received their absentee ballots in the mail like they were supposed to.

但后来他们从未像预期那样收到邮寄的缺席选票。

Then, when the family went to vote on election day, they were told they'd already voted.

然后,当这家人在选举日去投票时,他们被告知他们已经投票了。

In essence, McCrae's getting accused of paying people to obtain absentee ballots, fill them out, and cast their votes on someone else's behalf.

从本质上讲,麦克雷被指控花钱请人获取缺席选票、填写选票并代表他人投票。

That, for sure, is illegal.

毫无疑问,这是非法的。

McCrae says he didn't do anything wrong.

麦克雷说他没有做错任何事。

An election board member then calls for further criminal investigation, what appears to be Republican voter fraud.

一名选举委员会成员随后呼吁进行进一步的刑事调查,这似乎是共和党选民的欺诈行为。

I will be making a motion, that any and all information that this board has in its possession shall be forwarded to the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina.

我将提出一项动议,该委员会掌握的所有信息均应转发给北卡罗来纳州东区联邦检察官。

The attorney could choose to keep looking into Horace as well, but the focus of the investigation seems to be what McCrae has just revealed.

律师也可以选择继续调查霍勒斯,但调查的重点似乎是麦克雷刚刚透露的内容。

Two days later, the governor of North Carolina concedes the race to the Democrats.

两天后,北卡罗来纳州州长承认民主党在竞选中败北。

There are just no votes left to recount, no more fraud left to look into.

已经没有选票可以重新计票了,也没有更多的欺诈行为可以调查了。

Dallas Woodhouse, the Republican fraud hunter, says there is still systemic voter fraud out there, stuff that's not being caught.

共和党欺诈猎人达拉斯伍德豪斯表示,仍然存在系统性选民欺诈行为,但没有被发现。

And that is going to continue until the voting system itself changes.

这种情况将持续下去,直到投票系统本身发生变化。

Right now, Dallas would say there are too many opportunities for voter fraud, too many ways that people could pretend to be someone else.

现在,达拉斯会说,选民欺诈的机会太多了,人们冒充别人的方式也太多了。

Right now, you show up to vote with no ID, they let you vote.

现在,你没有身份证件去投票,他们让你投票。

You show up at the wrong precinct, they let you vote.

你出现在错误的选区,他们会让你投票。

Our side does think the voters have some responsibilities.

我们这边确实认为选民有一些责任。

And the best example is showing up to the right place to vote on election day.

最好的例子就是在选举日到正确的地点投票。

I do think that's a fair statement.

我确实认为这是一个公平的说法。

I think that is the exact thing that Democrats will point to saying, that disenfranchises our people because our people--

我认为这正是民主党人会指出的,这剥夺了我们人民的选举权,因为我们的人民——

How does it disenfranchise their people?

它如何剥夺他们的人民的权利?

Because their people-- Dallas Woodhouse See, they have such a negative, horrible, demeaning view of their own people, that they can't show up at the right place to vote.

因为他们的人民——达拉斯·伍德豪斯(Dallas Woodhouse)看,他们对自己的人民抱有如此消极、可怕、有辱人格的看法,以至于他们无法出现在正确的地点投票。

The two parties have very different ideas about how we should vote.

两党对于我们应该如何投票有着截然不同的想法。

To generalize, Democrats think it should be as easy as possible.

总而言之,民主党人认为这应该尽可能简单。

Republicans don't.

共和党人则不然。

Conveniently, each of these positions ends up helping their side at the polls.

方便的是,这些立场中的每一个最终都会在民意调查中帮助自己的一方。

Tougher voter requirements tend to disproportionately discourage minority voters.

更严格的选民要求往往会极大地阻碍少数族裔选民的积极性。

That traditionally helps Republicans.

这传统上对共和党有利。

Higher voter turnout of minority voters usually helps the Democrats.

少数族裔选民的较高投票率通常对民主党有利。

Dallas, a passionate partisan, will keep arguing and keep looking for fraud, though he keeps losing these fights.

达拉斯是一个充满热情的党派,他将继续争论并继续寻找欺诈行为,尽管他不断输掉这些斗争。

The North Carolina State Board of Elections tracked 57 voter fraud complaints this year and dismissed the vast majority of them.

北卡罗来纳州选举委员会今年追踪了 57 起选民欺诈投诉,并驳回了其中绝大多数。

For those searching for voter fraud, it's like they waited all election year, opened up their presents Christmas morning, and there was nothing inside.

对于那些寻找选民欺诈行为的人来说,这就像他们等待了整个选举年,在圣诞节早上打开礼物,但里面什么也没有。

Zoe Chace is one of the producers of our show.

佐伊·查斯是我们节目的制片人之一。

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Credits Ira Glass Well, our program was produced today by Stephanie Foo, our production staff-- Susan Burton, Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Neil Drumming, Karen Duffin, Emmanuel Dzotsi, Chana Joffe-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Miki Meeke, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.

感谢 Ira Glass 嗯,今天的节目由 Stephanie Foo 制作,我们的制作人员包括 Susan Burton、Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Neil Drumming、Karen Duffin、Emmanuel Dzotsi、Chana Joffe-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Miki Meeke、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike。

Research help today from Christopher [?

今天克里斯托弗的研究帮助[?

Sotala, ?] music help from Damien Grave.

索塔拉,?]达米恩·格雷夫的音乐帮助。

Our website, thisamericanlife.org.

我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

You know, great around the office, but whenever I try to talk to him about my personal issues, he sticks his fingers in his ears and he says--

你知道,在办公室里很棒,但每当我试图和他谈论我的个人问题时,他都会用手指捂住耳朵说——

(SINGING) La la la la la la la la la la.

(唱歌)啦啦啦啦啦啦啦啦啦啦。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

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This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作,并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。

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